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Football. Look, we're closing in on every day a little bit closer to
training camp. I believe it's under one hundred days now. And Pro Football
Focus is a website app subscribe to a really really appreciate the in depth numbers
they're able to provide that leads to their analysis. Doesn't mean I always agree
with it, but they have reasons to back things up. They recently had
an article about the NFL roster rankings. They look at the entire roster,
they label strengths, they label weaknesses, and they recognize X factors just for
the starting lineups. We're not talking about depth, heer, We're talking about
the eleven on offense, the eleven on defense. I don't know if they
bring in special teams. It didn't seem like they did. But anyway,
it can be a kind of a misleading article only because We don't know what
every team's starting lineup is going to look like. Most of this is based
off last season. So Ben I would ask you this, who do you
think are the top three teams Pro Football Focus ranks as the most complete rosters
starting rosters in the National Football League for twenty twenty four. Oh wow,
let's see. Are the Ravens one of them? The Ravens are not in
the top three. Okay, I'll give you two more guesses. I'll say
San Francisco correct and Kansas City? Right? All right, so San Francisco
is one. Shouldn't surprise this, they reached the Super Bowl a year ago,
but maybe a little surprising that they're one. Overall, they love their
offense because primarily they've got three guys who ranked in the top two in their
position, Christian McCaffrey, Brandon Ayuk and George Kittle. Their weakness, they
say, is their past protection. They have an X factor and it's a
safety. Number two is Kansas City? You get that right? I mean
crying out loud. They've got the Super Bowl ring on their hand, on
their fingers. They've got one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen in
Patrick Mahomes. They have the best tight end in Travis Kelcey. Their X
factor though, is in a lot of trouble Rashie Rice, who can't be
that intelligent, not when you're getting in the trouble that he's gotten into all
kinds of legal troubles, probably gonna land him a suspensions, Sure as hell
should land him a suspension. They have a weakness though, and it's at
the offense tackle position, which to me is that's a significant weakness. If
you can't protect your guy, you're going to have some serious problems, and
I would guess that it should be downgraded from there. But because of their
championship belt that they'll carry into twenty twenty four, they're going to be in
the top three and their ranked number two. Number three is Philadelphia. Again,
this is their offense and their defensive starting units. They give them an
X factor and they give them a rookie to watch. So, for example
Philadelphia, the rookie is Cooper Cooper de John Kansas City. Their rookie to
watch is if you're worthy. That's not that hard to figure out for Grand
out Loud anyway. So Philadelphia is number three. The Jets are at number
four. Now we told you this last week. It's easy to me.
Look, their defense is awesome, but it's crazy to me that people can
think this highly of the New York Jets. Now, maybe Aaron Rodgers makes
that big a difference. They think the combination of what they had led by
Zach Wilson a year ago was that putrid and they still won seven games.
And Rogers can make that big a difference, and it's one of the best
quarterbacks of his era. I suppose he can. But he is forty.
You want to believe in him. That's great. To put him at four
is a little surprising to me. Again, biggest weakness offensive line. Have
you noticed something so far? The biggest weakness for three of the top four
teams has to do with offensive line. What was the weakness for San Francisco
pass protection? What's the weakness for Kansas City offensive tackle? What's the weakness
as I just read, for the New York Jets offensive line? They struggled
to black people. Now, they had injuries, but their offensive line had
the second worst overall greed in the league. They're number four. Where do
you think the Lions rank, Ben, Let's say six. You are correct,
okay, because just above them as the Baltimore Ravens, who you had
mentioned, could be a top three And I understand why you would say that
they had home field advantage in the AFC last year. So the number one
record in football with tie breakers, but the number one record, and they
took our business against Detroit pretty handily, didn't they? Damn right they did.
Pro Football Focus loves the Ravens ground game, don't like their receivers.
Then they come to the Lions. The Lions are at number six, and
here's what they write about their strength offense. You and I, who follow
this team on a day to day and especially a Sunday to Sunday basis,
would be a little bit more specific than just offense, wouldn't we. We
would say offensive line either way, offensive line included in it. And here's
what they write. Offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has worked magic these last two seasons
running Detroit's offense. The results have led to perhaps the best run the Lions
have had in the Super Bowl era, which is really sad to say.
The newly paid Jared Goff has been excellent, putting up an eighty four point
three passer grade while throwing for over forty five hundred yards thirty touchdowns during the
regular season. His top Pats catchers i'm on Ross Saint Brown and rookie sensation
Sam Laporta. Saint Brown was one of the best receivers in the NFL.
His receiving grade last season trailed only Tyreek Hill and Brandon ayuk. As for
Laporta, his grade trailed only Kelsey Kittle TJ. Hockinson among tight ends.
I said this when they traded TJ. Hockinson a couple of years ago.
He's a really, really good offensive player. He's not a complete offensive player
he was. He's a substandard blocker, but he can catch, and he
can run routes and he's a threat. There's no doubt about that anyway.
It writes that you arguably have the most dynamic running back duo in David Montgomery
and Jamior Gibbs, both who had rushing grades of at least eighty while rushing
for at least nine hundred yards and ten tds a piece. The offensive line
is also a major strength. Oh thanks for finally getting to that, as
all five projected starters heading into this season had a Pro Football Focus grade of
at least seventy last year. Led by Penney Suole's league leading ninety two point
eight mark. We get to their weakness and their X factor and perhaps just
as important, if not more important, their over underwin total. Would you
go over or under? What Pro Football Focus has to say about the Lions
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Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. We were talking just before the break about
Pro Football Focused ranking the top teams or all teams based on starting lineups,
and where the Lions rank. They ranked sixth. We told you what their
strengths were based on what Pro Football Focus is put together. It was their
offense. Their biggest weakness, according to PFF, was that the Lions had
one of the most productive offenses in the NFL, it often came as a
result of having to keep pace with their opponents. In other words, the
biggest weakness is outside cornerback. The lions forty eight point three team coverage grade
last season was third worst in the NFL. Now de Troy recognized this made
it a priority in the offseason, spent two draft picks on corners, traded
for Carlton Davis for the Buccaneers. They write, while on paper, this
team has certainly improved at the corner spot, they will be relying a lot
on young talent to step up try and take the next step in reaching the
franchise's first ever Super Bowl. That's a fair critique. You're asking an awful
lot of a couple of young players, specifically Terry on Arnold and inness Rakestraw.
What do you think their X factor is? The X factor they write
This is a little surprising to me only because their biggest strength, as we
noted, was their offense. So the X factor they write is Jamison Williams.
Look, I think he's it's going to be an important piece for Detroit.
There's no question he'll stretch the field. You do have a few other
guys who'll be able to catch rocks for you. Kevin Zeitler is a pretty
big piece. Don't you think you lose Jonah Jackson to the Rams Zeitler's really
important. Does that make him the X factor? I don't know. I
mean, I think that's part of the discussion. Who's the opposite defense event
Marcus Davenport. You don't think that's a big X factor. Detroit's ability to
get to the quarterback opposite Aiden Hutchinson, somebody other than Aid Hutchinson is going
to be really important. I think we all, including Pro Football Focus,
in a lot of situations go to skill positions, which I just kind of
broke one of my rules, but because I hate it when they say skill
positions and I just said it, but because it takes a lot of skill
to play on the line too. Anyway, here's what they write about their
X factor with Jamison Williams. Outside of Saint Brown, the Lions are very
thin at the wide receiver position, especially after Josh Rend's departure. The first
round pick from twenty twenty two, Jamison Williams has shown flashes of being able
to be a playmaker in the league, but he hasn't been able to put
it all together for extended periods of time. He's entering year three, so
time is running out on him to become the impact player the Lions thought he
would be when they traded up for him. I do wonder if part of
the reason he's an X factor is because he's going into year three. They
write, However, if he reaches his potential, this already potent Lions offense
could become unstoppable. Well, that'd be fun the rookie to watch. Pretty
obvious, right, I mean it's Arnold and Reichstraw, both guys they right
should get the opportunities to play from day one. Rakestraw was a first round
talent that fell to the second due to core and groin injuries, while Arnold
was the top corner on a lot of teams boards that the Lions were able
to pick at twenty four. Both corners are coming off positional flexibility and can
play each of the outside or the nickel, which would allow Brian Branch to
play safety full time. You're good with that, absolutely. I'd be good
with that too, as long as Brian Branch is on the field. So
I think he's a hell of a player. Here's where it gets interesting,
and I would love to know and get your thoughts the over under. I
want to know what you think the over under or are you taking the over
or the under for the Lions in twenty twenty five for when Pro Football Focus
gives you drum roll ten and a half? Are you going over or are
you going under? Here's their schedule in case you've forgotten, In case you
haven't done what so many people do. I've got a ton of friends as
soon as the schedule comes out, print it right w or L next to
it. They were way off last year, by the way. But that's
what a lot of Lions fans. I'm sure a lot of football fans in
every market do this. You have the Rams at home, Tampa at home,
Arizona on the road, Seattle at home, Dallas on the road,
Minnesota on the road, Tennessee at home, green Bay on the road,
Houston on the road, Jacksonville home, Indie Road, home to Chicago,
home to Green Bay, home to Buffalo at Chicago at Frisco. Sorry if
I went a little fast there, but I just wanted to remind you.
I'm sure you already had it. The over under at ten and a half.
Here's what they write. The Lions came so close to reaching the franchise's
first Super Bowl last season before a late game collapse doomed them against the Niners.
This year, they're making a real run for it. On paper,
this might be the best Lions team of the Super Bowl era. I would
agree with that. With the rise of Jordan Love, Green Bay, the
Bears youth movement, and the Vikings potentially high flying offense, the NFC North
is going to be much tougher than it was in twenty twenty three. However,
the Lions appear to have a firepower to hold them off as they search
for back to back division titles for the first time in franchise history. Again,
that is very sobering, isn't it? My goodness? And then they
list the starters. I don't think there's much of a weakness outside of maybe
your third wide receiver in Khalif Raymond on offense. On defense, you're gonna
have to sell me a little bit more on Marcus Davenport. Sorry, it's
really important. I think they need another defensive lineman. That's just me.
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Glad you could join us, as you do every Monday through Friday six until
nine. We left off talking about Pro Football Focus the projected starting to line
up. Are you in the over? The under that they give the Lions
ten and a half? Also their top three players according to Pro Football Focus,
which personally I disagree with. We'll get to that coming up as well.
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If there's something else that's on your mind and you want to discuss it,
that's where we're here. Okay, this show's your show as much as it
is ours. Okay, let's get to those phone lines. Ben, who
do we got? Yeah? We got Jake and Grand Rapids. Hi,
Jake, how are you today? Thanks for listening in Grand Rapids on ninety
six point ONEFM. The game? Yeah, doing well? How about stuff?
All right? Yeah? So I dis couple quick thoughts, especially in
the over under and the X factor. I mean, I think Jamison Williams
is Poe is for a breakout without Reynolds being there. But like you said,
we haven't seen them put it all together. You saw flashes like in
the Saints game on the road last year and the championship game, but for
some of these guys, it's I feel like it might be hard to see
a full picture just because there's so many mouse defeat I mean, basically,
anybody in the offense could have really good games and then other games that's other
players, you know, with Gibbs, Monty Laporta, all those guys,
and hopefully Donovan people Jones can also be included in that. I guess the
but the over under, I think I would take the over just because you
know they're playing only three outdoor games all year. I think that's gonna be
huge for them. And the two games or one of the games that's on
the road outside is against a rookie and Caleb Williams. I know everybody's super
high on them and you know their new found offense, but he's still a
rookie, so that might be something where they can steal one on the road.
And you had said that the there's three top players. I might be
a little bit off from what other Lins fans would be, but I would
go, you know, first off would be Sewell, just a monster.
Obviously I'm in raw and that I'd probably go Aiden Hutchinson over golf as my
third top lion. Obviously, quarterbacks important, but I don't think he's one
of our You know, he's probably top five, don't get me wrong,
but I'm not gonna say he's one of our top three players per se.
Okay, it's interesting when you said only three games against teams outdoors. Why
do you think that? Why do you think that matters? I mean,
last year they opened up in Kansas City outdoors and one in Kansas City.
He came home, lost indoors to Seattle. Granted they lost in Chicago,
they lost at Green Bay. They lost to Dallas, and Dallas is for
all intensive purposes, if you'll bear with me, all intensive purposes. That's
an indoor stadium. They've won outdoors. They won at Carolina, right,
So I guess I'm a little they wanted Denver. I'm a little confused at
why that matters the outdoor indoor thing. Do you think this team is strictly
built for indoors? No, not necessarily, but I think it plays to
their strengths more so than you know, all the outdoor games. I mean,
obviously they won those games, don't get me wrong, but I think
when you're you know, throwing the ball and perfect, you know, air
conditioned dome rather than you know, you might have some ink, clement weather
or you know, kicking is a big thing. You know, don't want
to get off on a tangent. But I think the Baits kid over it
with the Michigan Panthers. I think I would definitely bring him into challenge badly.
It's just it kind of almost puts your mind at ease, like,
oh, we have an indoor game. Like I don't know if that's just
like Lions of Old speaking, because like you said, they did win a
bunch of games last year outdoors. But I think just kind of the offense,
you know, the offense is going to click because of what I just
said, there's no in clement. Whether it's always going to be you know,
perfect indoors. Yeah, I guess, yeah, No, I get
that. Do you view this team more as a passing team than a running
team? See? I think it's an excellent running team because it's built up
front. Look, you and I I shouldn't say that me. I don't
know how you feel, Jake, I'm a big believer in building from from
from down in the trenches and then out. That's the way this team has
done it. And when you are able to do that, that means you
can run the football, which helps you in clement weather. I think that's
the reason they're just as good outside as they would be inside it because their
ability to have balance on their offense and be able to run the football when
they need to. Oh yeah, for sure. I think like you just
said, I mean, you might have not trying to be a homer,
but you might have one of the top two or three offensive backfields in the
league. I mean, Monty and Gibbs showed you last year what they can
do together, and Gibbs was hurt for three or two or three games,
and they both eclipsed ninety or ninety nine hundred yards rushing. So I think
doing it that way, But you also still have am and Ra Laporta,
James and Williams gives out of the backfield. Even Monty out of the backfield
is not as much of a weapon as Gibbs is. But yeah, you're
gonna run behind your offensive line. That's what you bolt your offensive line for.
Is to run through the trenches, get that one yard you need on
fourth and one, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, I do
agree with that, but also you have, you know, if not the
best slot receiver in the game, one of the best slot receivers in the
game. And like we already talked, hopefully Jamis and Williams can take that
next step and be that solid number two like I you did with Deebo a
few years back, and then he overtook uh Deebo in some people's eyes.
So sure, Okay, I just I was just wondering about the and thanks
for the phone call. Really appreciate it, Jake, have a great day.
I were. I just wonder about the whole indoor outdoor thing. I
think that's a I think that's a fallback for a lot of people, not
just you, but I think a lot of people view indoor, certain indoor
teams as strictly indoor their ability only to play or their strength is playing indoors,
whereas teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati and in Cleveland. I just
mentioned the whole AFC, North Chicago, Green Bay, Oh boy, the
thing if you could play that means you could play indoors, right because look
at what look what's going on there, and look at how they can,
look at how they can adjust. It's going to be an easier adjustment for
them. It might be. I'm not going to claim that it's not totally.
I just don't buy. I think as a way to make yourself as
offensively potent as possible, you have to be able to do both. And
a lot of it has to do with adapting to certain conditions. And the
Lions can run the football. Chicago is a pretty good example. Chicago lost
plenty of games outdoors, and they're an outdoor team. They lost at home
to Green Bay, they lost to Tampa, they lost to Kansas City,
they lost it home to Denver, oh And, by the way, they
lost indoors two. They lost in New Orleans, they lost in Minnesota,
they lost in LA. Maybe it's a bad example. I'm just telling you.
Let's not get caught up in the fact that Detroit's home is a dome,
and that means that they can not function as well outside of a dome.
Because they can. That's why they're a good football team, really good
football team. Back to the Meyer hotline, eighty six, eight three,
eight forty eight forty three. Ben, Who's up next? Yeah? He
had a Goh, but I do have a text. It says, this
is back to the over under. If rag Noow gets hurt, there's no
way they are going over ten wins. That's interesting. That might lead one
to believe that Texter believes Frank ragnow Now is one of their top three players.
Who do you think are their top three players? Give me the three
guys you believe our top three. This is hard to do for a team
that has as much balance as the Lions. Jared Goff signed a contract that's
gonna pay him fifty million dollars a year. You would hope he's one of
their top three players. Jake and I were just talking about the combo of
Montgomery and Gibbs, one of the best, if not the best, one
two punch in the NFL. Sam Brown, Laporta, Decker, Glasgow,
Ragnow Zeitler Sewell, there's your starters defensively, McNeil, Reeder, Hutchinson,
Davenport, Campbell and Saloon Davis, Arnold, Branch, Melafan, Wu Joseph
those are your starters. Who are the top three guys? For me,
I would say, not necessarily in disorder, Penney Sewell, I'm on Ros
Saint Brown, although he relies on a guy to get him the football to
make him the best, but I love what he can do catching the football,
making guys miss and so on and so forth. And I would say,
Frank Ragnow, Aiden Hutchinson and Jared Goff are right there with him.
But I would say, Frank Ragnow, I think he's that important. I
think he's that good. Here's how I look at it. This could be
flawed logic. Feel free to call me out if you wish. Who is
considered the best at their position with the Detroit Lions. Suel Is, I'm
on, I'm on Ron Saint prowd Is, Frank Ragnow when healthy is if
you this is with all due respect to Aiden Hutchinson, because I said he's
right there. But if you look at Aiden Hutchinson and I think he's a
really good player, Okay, don't let's not just always look at sacks,
look at quarterback pressures, things of that nature. Really important to take that
into account, Okay, but defensive ends are measured by sacks. T J.
Watt, Trey Hendrickson, Khalil Mack, Max Crosby, Miles Garrett,
Micah Parson's different position, probably Montes Sweat. Those are just some of the
guys that probably rank higher than Aiden Hutchinson. There's not many wide receivers.
I'm not saying he's the best. I'm just saying there's not many wide receivers
who are better then I'm on Ross Saint Brown. If I give you Tyreek
Hill, if I give you Ceede Lamb, if I give you a J.
Brown. Okay, list doesn't go much further than that. I still
think he's up there. And an offensive lineman standpoint, there's no tackle better
than Penne Sul a year ago. And when Frank Ragnow is healthy, the
same can be made. Same argument can be made for Detroit Center. There's
my logic. Meyer hotline eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three.
Back to those lines, Ben, Who's next? Yeah, we got
Mitchell and Kalama zoo. Hey Mitchell, how are you? Mandy good?
Are you good? What's on your mind today? I just wanted to kind
of bring up that topic again about that into or outdoor. I think where
a lot of people get that from is just if you just look at GoF
splits specifically just GoF. You know, he just plays so much better indoors.
I don't think it's like an attachment to the team, because I think
running the ball can be done either way. I think if you look at
something like the Baltimore game where we couldn't run the ball anymore and we had
to come back, you know, just a lot tougher on Goth outdoor than
it is indoors. I think that's where that kind of philosophy comes from.
That having only three outdoor games really helps the Lions, because that means Goth
shouldn't have any issues indoor as statistically and historically he's been way better indoor than
outdoor. Yeah, I think a lot of that has to do with the
temperature too. It's not just outdoor. I think it's more about specifically about
a certain degree right, So outdoors, for example, I don't know if
this will surprise you or not, probably not, but outdoors he completed sixty
four and a half percent of his passes compared to sixty nine percent indoors.
Anything minus forty degrees he struggled mightily. So I'm not sure it's as much
outdoors as it is the temperature in which you're playing. So if you're playing
Green Bay in December and you're getting twenty degrees, yeah, I'm My belief
is that a guy like Jordan Love and Green Bay are probably going to have
more success. I'm not going to disagree with that. They're more used to
it. So I think it's a great point by you. I think thanks
for the phone call. Appreciate it very much, Mitchell. I think any
quarterback playing indoors is going to be Any good quarterback is going to benefit,
don't you. You've got those perfect conditions, like Mitchell was referring to hundred
percent. Would not disagree with that at all. I just think we fall
into a trap sports where we think that certain players or certain teams cannot play
because they're so used to one way or the other. Put it in perspective,
Jordan Love a little more used to it now, remember Jordan Love maybe
a little bit more used to it because he played at Utah State. I'm
not sure how much that should matter, because you would think Tom Brady would
get used to it, you know, playing at the University of Michigan,
but he was from California. But he Thrivedfornia at Michigan. He thrived in
New England and in bad weather situations all the time. Jordan Love, conversely,
of what Mitchell was referring to with Jared Goff and I brought up specifically
under forty degrees where he struggled mightily. Jordan Love completed sixty eight percent of
his passes compared to fifty seven percent when the temper temperature was forty degrees or
below. That tells you something. He's also more you know, used to
it. But that's part of the reason you believe that GoF struggles. The
numbers are there and he's not quite as used to it. That would be
a factor for just about anybody who isn't used to playing in those types of
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