WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:23.000 Such a good song. Welcome back Exes and Bros. Matt Shephard with you 2 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:28.039 Monday through Friday, six until nine, although I'll be off tomorrow. My 3 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:32.600 good friend Dennis Fithian sits in with Ben. Ben is our producer. Call 4 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:36.560 him on the Meyer Hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three 5 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:41.640 Football. Look, we're closing in on every day a little bit closer to 6 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:50.079 training camp. I believe it's under one hundred days now. And Pro Football 7 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:59.799 Focus is a website app subscribe to a really really appreciate the in depth numbers 8 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.840 they're able to provide that leads to their analysis. Doesn't mean I always agree 9 00:01:03.879 --> 00:01:11.400 with it, but they have reasons to back things up. They recently had 10 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:15.959 an article about the NFL roster rankings. They look at the entire roster, 11 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:25.719 they label strengths, they label weaknesses, and they recognize X factors just for 12 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:30.400 the starting lineups. We're not talking about depth, heer, We're talking about 13 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:37.000 the eleven on offense, the eleven on defense. I don't know if they 14 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:42.840 bring in special teams. It didn't seem like they did. But anyway, 15 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:49.480 it can be a kind of a misleading article only because We don't know what 16 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:56.680 every team's starting lineup is going to look like. Most of this is based 17 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:04.000 off last season. So Ben I would ask you this, who do you 18 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:15.520 think are the top three teams Pro Football Focus ranks as the most complete rosters 19 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:22.240 starting rosters in the National Football League for twenty twenty four. Oh wow, 20 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:29.319 let's see. Are the Ravens one of them? The Ravens are not in 21 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.439 the top three. Okay, I'll give you two more guesses. I'll say 22 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:42.919 San Francisco correct and Kansas City? Right? All right, so San Francisco 23 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.400 is one. Shouldn't surprise this, they reached the Super Bowl a year ago, 24 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:53.039 but maybe a little surprising that they're one. Overall, they love their 25 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:59.639 offense because primarily they've got three guys who ranked in the top two in their 26 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:07.599 position, Christian McCaffrey, Brandon Ayuk and George Kittle. Their weakness, they 27 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:12.199 say, is their past protection. They have an X factor and it's a 28 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:17.120 safety. Number two is Kansas City? You get that right? I mean 29 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:23.039 crying out loud. They've got the Super Bowl ring on their hand, on 30 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.000 their fingers. They've got one of the best quarterbacks the game has seen in 31 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:36.639 Patrick Mahomes. They have the best tight end in Travis Kelcey. Their X 32 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:43.280 factor though, is in a lot of trouble Rashie Rice, who can't be 33 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:49.560 that intelligent, not when you're getting in the trouble that he's gotten into all 34 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.719 kinds of legal troubles, probably gonna land him a suspensions, Sure as hell 35 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:59.520 should land him a suspension. They have a weakness though, and it's at 36 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:04.199 the offense tackle position, which to me is that's a significant weakness. If 37 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.919 you can't protect your guy, you're going to have some serious problems, and 38 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:15.720 I would guess that it should be downgraded from there. But because of their 39 00:04:15.839 --> 00:04:21.279 championship belt that they'll carry into twenty twenty four, they're going to be in 40 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:27.399 the top three and their ranked number two. Number three is Philadelphia. Again, 41 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.360 this is their offense and their defensive starting units. They give them an 42 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:35.160 X factor and they give them a rookie to watch. So, for example 43 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:44.720 Philadelphia, the rookie is Cooper Cooper de John Kansas City. Their rookie to 44 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.480 watch is if you're worthy. That's not that hard to figure out for Grand 45 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:55.079 out Loud anyway. So Philadelphia is number three. The Jets are at number 46 00:04:55.160 --> 00:05:00.279 four. Now we told you this last week. It's easy to me. 47 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.639 Look, their defense is awesome, but it's crazy to me that people can 48 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:15.959 think this highly of the New York Jets. Now, maybe Aaron Rodgers makes 49 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:20.319 that big a difference. They think the combination of what they had led by 50 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:26.000 Zach Wilson a year ago was that putrid and they still won seven games. 51 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.199 And Rogers can make that big a difference, and it's one of the best 52 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:36.199 quarterbacks of his era. I suppose he can. But he is forty. 53 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:40.160 You want to believe in him. That's great. To put him at four 54 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:46.560 is a little surprising to me. Again, biggest weakness offensive line. Have 55 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:56.040 you noticed something so far? The biggest weakness for three of the top four 56 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:03.519 teams has to do with offensive line. What was the weakness for San Francisco 57 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:10.800 pass protection? What's the weakness for Kansas City offensive tackle? What's the weakness 58 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.399 as I just read, for the New York Jets offensive line? They struggled 59 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:23.720 to black people. Now, they had injuries, but their offensive line had 60 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:30.399 the second worst overall greed in the league. They're number four. Where do 61 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:39.519 you think the Lions rank, Ben, Let's say six. You are correct, 62 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.160 okay, because just above them as the Baltimore Ravens, who you had 63 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.959 mentioned, could be a top three And I understand why you would say that 64 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:56.040 they had home field advantage in the AFC last year. So the number one 65 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:01.160 record in football with tie breakers, but the number one record, and they 66 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:05.480 took our business against Detroit pretty handily, didn't they? Damn right they did. 67 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:13.000 Pro Football Focus loves the Ravens ground game, don't like their receivers. 68 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.240 Then they come to the Lions. The Lions are at number six, and 69 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:26.600 here's what they write about their strength offense. You and I, who follow 70 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.240 this team on a day to day and especially a Sunday to Sunday basis, 71 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.959 would be a little bit more specific than just offense, wouldn't we. We 72 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:42.160 would say offensive line either way, offensive line included in it. And here's 73 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.439 what they write. Offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has worked magic these last two seasons 74 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.759 running Detroit's offense. The results have led to perhaps the best run the Lions 75 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:57.800 have had in the Super Bowl era, which is really sad to say. 76 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.360 The newly paid Jared Goff has been excellent, putting up an eighty four point 77 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:07.560 three passer grade while throwing for over forty five hundred yards thirty touchdowns during the 78 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.800 regular season. His top Pats catchers i'm on Ross Saint Brown and rookie sensation 79 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.199 Sam Laporta. Saint Brown was one of the best receivers in the NFL. 80 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.800 His receiving grade last season trailed only Tyreek Hill and Brandon ayuk. As for 81 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.800 Laporta, his grade trailed only Kelsey Kittle TJ. Hockinson among tight ends. 82 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.879 I said this when they traded TJ. Hockinson a couple of years ago. 83 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:41.279 He's a really, really good offensive player. He's not a complete offensive player 84 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:50.240 he was. He's a substandard blocker, but he can catch, and he 85 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:56.519 can run routes and he's a threat. There's no doubt about that anyway. 86 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.720 It writes that you arguably have the most dynamic running back duo in David Montgomery 87 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.480 and Jamior Gibbs, both who had rushing grades of at least eighty while rushing 88 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.279 for at least nine hundred yards and ten tds a piece. The offensive line 89 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.279 is also a major strength. Oh thanks for finally getting to that, as 90 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.879 all five projected starters heading into this season had a Pro Football Focus grade of 91 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.399 at least seventy last year. Led by Penney Suole's league leading ninety two point 92 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:31.600 eight mark. We get to their weakness and their X factor and perhaps just 93 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.679 as important, if not more important, their over underwin total. Would you 94 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:41.639 go over or under? 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Thanks for letting us be part of your commute or your daily routine. 113 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.639 We appreciate it. Always enjoyable to talk with you on the Meyer hotline 114 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.080 eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. You could text us 115 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.399 Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. We were talking just before the break about 116 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:05.399 Pro Football Focused ranking the top teams or all teams based on starting lineups, 117 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:11.480 and where the Lions rank. They ranked sixth. We told you what their 118 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.960 strengths were based on what Pro Football Focus is put together. It was their 119 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:22.120 offense. Their biggest weakness, according to PFF, was that the Lions had 120 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.320 one of the most productive offenses in the NFL, it often came as a 121 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.240 result of having to keep pace with their opponents. In other words, the 122 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:35.679 biggest weakness is outside cornerback. The lions forty eight point three team coverage grade 123 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:43.440 last season was third worst in the NFL. Now de Troy recognized this made 124 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:48.480 it a priority in the offseason, spent two draft picks on corners, traded 125 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.519 for Carlton Davis for the Buccaneers. They write, while on paper, this 126 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.200 team has certainly improved at the corner spot, they will be relying a lot 127 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.159 on young talent to step up try and take the next step in reaching the 128 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:09.679 franchise's first ever Super Bowl. That's a fair critique. You're asking an awful 129 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:16.519 lot of a couple of young players, specifically Terry on Arnold and inness Rakestraw. 130 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.039 What do you think their X factor is? The X factor they write 131 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.080 This is a little surprising to me only because their biggest strength, as we 132 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.960 noted, was their offense. So the X factor they write is Jamison Williams. 133 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.240 Look, I think he's it's going to be an important piece for Detroit. 134 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:50.480 There's no question he'll stretch the field. You do have a few other 135 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:58.639 guys who'll be able to catch rocks for you. Kevin Zeitler is a pretty 136 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:07.120 big piece. Don't you think you lose Jonah Jackson to the Rams Zeitler's really 137 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.559 important. Does that make him the X factor? I don't know. I 138 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:20.679 mean, I think that's part of the discussion. Who's the opposite defense event 139 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:28.639 Marcus Davenport. You don't think that's a big X factor. Detroit's ability to 140 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:35.320 get to the quarterback opposite Aiden Hutchinson, somebody other than Aid Hutchinson is going 141 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:43.159 to be really important. I think we all, including Pro Football Focus, 142 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:50.960 in a lot of situations go to skill positions, which I just kind of 143 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.960 broke one of my rules, but because I hate it when they say skill 144 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.399 positions and I just said it, but because it takes a lot of skill 145 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.200 to play on the line too. Anyway, here's what they write about their 146 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.159 X factor with Jamison Williams. Outside of Saint Brown, the Lions are very 147 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.840 thin at the wide receiver position, especially after Josh Rend's departure. The first 148 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.240 round pick from twenty twenty two, Jamison Williams has shown flashes of being able 149 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.759 to be a playmaker in the league, but he hasn't been able to put 150 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.039 it all together for extended periods of time. He's entering year three, so 151 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.679 time is running out on him to become the impact player the Lions thought he 152 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:35.360 would be when they traded up for him. I do wonder if part of 153 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:41.639 the reason he's an X factor is because he's going into year three. They 154 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.159 write, However, if he reaches his potential, this already potent Lions offense 155 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:54.879 could become unstoppable. Well, that'd be fun the rookie to watch. Pretty 156 00:15:54.919 --> 00:16:00.559 obvious, right, I mean it's Arnold and Reichstraw, both guys they right 157 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.840 should get the opportunities to play from day one. Rakestraw was a first round 158 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.919 talent that fell to the second due to core and groin injuries, while Arnold 159 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.159 was the top corner on a lot of teams boards that the Lions were able 160 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:21.000 to pick at twenty four. Both corners are coming off positional flexibility and can 161 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:25.960 play each of the outside or the nickel, which would allow Brian Branch to 162 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.200 play safety full time. You're good with that, absolutely. I'd be good 163 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.240 with that too, as long as Brian Branch is on the field. So 164 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.879 I think he's a hell of a player. Here's where it gets interesting, 165 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:48.399 and I would love to know and get your thoughts the over under. I 166 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:55.440 want to know what you think the over under or are you taking the over 167 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:02.240 or the under for the Lions in twenty twenty five for when Pro Football Focus 168 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:12.319 gives you drum roll ten and a half? Are you going over or are 169 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:23.160 you going under? Here's their schedule in case you've forgotten, In case you 170 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:30.039 haven't done what so many people do. I've got a ton of friends as 171 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.200 soon as the schedule comes out, print it right w or L next to 172 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:40.240 it. They were way off last year, by the way. But that's 173 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.440 what a lot of Lions fans. I'm sure a lot of football fans in 174 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:51.839 every market do this. You have the Rams at home, Tampa at home, 175 00:17:53.279 --> 00:18:03.240 Arizona on the road, Seattle at home, Dallas on the road, 176 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:11.359 Minnesota on the road, Tennessee at home, green Bay on the road, 177 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:22.680 Houston on the road, Jacksonville home, Indie Road, home to Chicago, 178 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:36.000 home to Green Bay, home to Buffalo at Chicago at Frisco. Sorry if 179 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:37.720 I went a little fast there, but I just wanted to remind you. 180 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.319 I'm sure you already had it. The over under at ten and a half. 181 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.880 Here's what they write. The Lions came so close to reaching the franchise's 182 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.640 first Super Bowl last season before a late game collapse doomed them against the Niners. 183 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.359 This year, they're making a real run for it. On paper, 184 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.200 this might be the best Lions team of the Super Bowl era. I would 185 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:04.960 agree with that. With the rise of Jordan Love, Green Bay, the 186 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.279 Bears youth movement, and the Vikings potentially high flying offense, the NFC North 187 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:15.240 is going to be much tougher than it was in twenty twenty three. However, 188 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.279 the Lions appear to have a firepower to hold them off as they search 189 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.559 for back to back division titles for the first time in franchise history. Again, 190 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:29.799 that is very sobering, isn't it? My goodness? And then they 191 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:36.039 list the starters. I don't think there's much of a weakness outside of maybe 192 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:42.359 your third wide receiver in Khalif Raymond on offense. On defense, you're gonna 193 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.960 have to sell me a little bit more on Marcus Davenport. Sorry, it's 194 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:53.319 really important. I think they need another defensive lineman. That's just me. 195 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.440 Is it enough to sway you one way or the other? For ten and 196 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:06.400 a half, because that ten and a half is the over under your thoughts 197 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:10.680 on that the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 198 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.480 You could text the show Sports Radio to twenty one thousand. We'll get 199 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.680 to your phone calls, We'll get to your texts. I think it's a 200 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:22.319 really cool exercise. Here. Here's another thing that surprises me a little bit. 201 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:29.839 They also rank the top three players per team. 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You want the best grill, you want the best food 237 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:40.799 on your table, There's only one place to go. It's Meyer. Back 238 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.039 with you on exits and Bros, what's going on. I hope your Thursday's 239 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:47.960 going all right, and it goes even better the rest of the day. 240 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.519 Glad you could join us, as you do every Monday through Friday six until 241 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.680 nine. We left off talking about Pro Football Focus the projected starting to line 242 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:02.559 up. Are you in the over? The under that they give the Lions 243 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.960 ten and a half? Also their top three players according to Pro Football Focus, 244 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:14.400 which personally I disagree with. We'll get to that coming up as well. 245 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:17.400 Meyer, hotlinees open for you eight sixty six eight three, eight forty 246 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.480 eight forty three. Doesn't have to be anything necessarily that we're talking about. 247 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.680 If there's something else that's on your mind and you want to discuss it, 248 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:27.559 that's where we're here. Okay, this show's your show as much as it 249 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.160 is ours. Okay, let's get to those phone lines. Ben, who 250 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.440 do we got? Yeah? We got Jake and Grand Rapids. Hi, 251 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:38.559 Jake, how are you today? Thanks for listening in Grand Rapids on ninety 252 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:42.799 six point ONEFM. The game? Yeah, doing well? How about stuff? 253 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.640 All right? Yeah? So I dis couple quick thoughts, especially in 254 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.480 the over under and the X factor. I mean, I think Jamison Williams 255 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.680 is Poe is for a breakout without Reynolds being there. But like you said, 256 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:03.039 we haven't seen them put it all together. You saw flashes like in 257 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:08.039 the Saints game on the road last year and the championship game, but for 258 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.680 some of these guys, it's I feel like it might be hard to see 259 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.920 a full picture just because there's so many mouse defeat I mean, basically, 260 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:21.240 anybody in the offense could have really good games and then other games that's other 261 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:26.160 players, you know, with Gibbs, Monty Laporta, all those guys, 262 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:33.720 and hopefully Donovan people Jones can also be included in that. I guess the 263 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:38.400 but the over under, I think I would take the over just because you 264 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:44.039 know they're playing only three outdoor games all year. I think that's gonna be 265 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.640 huge for them. And the two games or one of the games that's on 266 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:52.640 the road outside is against a rookie and Caleb Williams. I know everybody's super 267 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.400 high on them and you know their new found offense, but he's still a 268 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:03.119 rookie, so that might be something where they can steal one on the road. 269 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.559 And you had said that the there's three top players. I might be 270 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:14.279 a little bit off from what other Lins fans would be, but I would 271 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.000 go, you know, first off would be Sewell, just a monster. 272 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:25.880 Obviously I'm in raw and that I'd probably go Aiden Hutchinson over golf as my 273 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:34.119 third top lion. Obviously, quarterbacks important, but I don't think he's one 274 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.240 of our You know, he's probably top five, don't get me wrong, 275 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.240 but I'm not gonna say he's one of our top three players per se. 276 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:52.920 Okay, it's interesting when you said only three games against teams outdoors. Why 277 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.559 do you think that? Why do you think that matters? I mean, 278 00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:00.240 last year they opened up in Kansas City outdoors and one in Kansas City. 279 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.799 He came home, lost indoors to Seattle. Granted they lost in Chicago, 280 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.880 they lost at Green Bay. They lost to Dallas, and Dallas is for 281 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:14.799 all intensive purposes, if you'll bear with me, all intensive purposes. That's 282 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.799 an indoor stadium. They've won outdoors. They won at Carolina, right, 283 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:25.640 So I guess I'm a little they wanted Denver. I'm a little confused at 284 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.839 why that matters the outdoor indoor thing. Do you think this team is strictly 285 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:33.240 built for indoors? No, not necessarily, but I think it plays to 286 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:37.799 their strengths more so than you know, all the outdoor games. I mean, 287 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.720 obviously they won those games, don't get me wrong, but I think 288 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:48.119 when you're you know, throwing the ball and perfect, you know, air 289 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.839 conditioned dome rather than you know, you might have some ink, clement weather 290 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.640 or you know, kicking is a big thing. You know, don't want 291 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.599 to get off on a tangent. But I think the Baits kid over it 292 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.200 with the Michigan Panthers. I think I would definitely bring him into challenge badly. 293 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.079 It's just it kind of almost puts your mind at ease, like, 294 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.759 oh, we have an indoor game. Like I don't know if that's just 295 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.920 like Lions of Old speaking, because like you said, they did win a 296 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.480 bunch of games last year outdoors. But I think just kind of the offense, 297 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.359 you know, the offense is going to click because of what I just 298 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.400 said, there's no in clement. Whether it's always going to be you know, 299 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.680 perfect indoors. Yeah, I guess, yeah, No, I get 300 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.200 that. Do you view this team more as a passing team than a running 301 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.880 team? See? I think it's an excellent running team because it's built up 302 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.559 front. Look, you and I I shouldn't say that me. I don't 303 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.880 know how you feel, Jake, I'm a big believer in building from from 304 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.160 from down in the trenches and then out. That's the way this team has 305 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.680 done it. And when you are able to do that, that means you 306 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.680 can run the football, which helps you in clement weather. I think that's 307 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:02.599 the reason they're just as good outside as they would be inside it because their 308 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.240 ability to have balance on their offense and be able to run the football when 309 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.440 they need to. Oh yeah, for sure. I think like you just 310 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.319 said, I mean, you might have not trying to be a homer, 311 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.720 but you might have one of the top two or three offensive backfields in the 312 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.880 league. I mean, Monty and Gibbs showed you last year what they can 313 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.839 do together, and Gibbs was hurt for three or two or three games, 314 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:33.880 and they both eclipsed ninety or ninety nine hundred yards rushing. So I think 315 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.000 doing it that way, But you also still have am and Ra Laporta, 316 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.720 James and Williams gives out of the backfield. Even Monty out of the backfield 317 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.400 is not as much of a weapon as Gibbs is. But yeah, you're 318 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.000 gonna run behind your offensive line. That's what you bolt your offensive line for. 319 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:53.880 Is to run through the trenches, get that one yard you need on 320 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.920 fourth and one, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, I do 321 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:04.119 agree with that, but also you have, you know, if not the 322 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.319 best slot receiver in the game, one of the best slot receivers in the 323 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.920 game. And like we already talked, hopefully Jamis and Williams can take that 324 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:17.119 next step and be that solid number two like I you did with Deebo a 325 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.359 few years back, and then he overtook uh Deebo in some people's eyes. 326 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.519 So sure, Okay, I just I was just wondering about the and thanks 327 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:27.759 for the phone call. Really appreciate it, Jake, have a great day. 328 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:33.519 I were. I just wonder about the whole indoor outdoor thing. I 329 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:36.839 think that's a I think that's a fallback for a lot of people, not 330 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.160 just you, but I think a lot of people view indoor, certain indoor 331 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:47.279 teams as strictly indoor their ability only to play or their strength is playing indoors, 332 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:55.119 whereas teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore and Cincinnati and in Cleveland. I just 333 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.039 mentioned the whole AFC, North Chicago, Green Bay, Oh boy, the 334 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.400 thing if you could play that means you could play indoors, right because look 335 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.680 at what look what's going on there, and look at how they can, 336 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.960 look at how they can adjust. It's going to be an easier adjustment for 337 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.880 them. It might be. I'm not going to claim that it's not totally. 338 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:23.200 I just don't buy. I think as a way to make yourself as 339 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:32.200 offensively potent as possible, you have to be able to do both. And 340 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:37.200 a lot of it has to do with adapting to certain conditions. And the 341 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:45.240 Lions can run the football. Chicago is a pretty good example. Chicago lost 342 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:53.440 plenty of games outdoors, and they're an outdoor team. They lost at home 343 00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.880 to Green Bay, they lost to Tampa, they lost to Kansas City, 344 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.960 they lost it home to Denver, oh And, by the way, they 345 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.759 lost indoors two. They lost in New Orleans, they lost in Minnesota, 346 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.799 they lost in LA. Maybe it's a bad example. I'm just telling you. 347 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.640 Let's not get caught up in the fact that Detroit's home is a dome, 348 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:25.160 and that means that they can not function as well outside of a dome. 349 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:34.240 Because they can. That's why they're a good football team, really good 350 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.759 football team. Back to the Meyer hotline, eighty six, eight three, 351 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.640 eight forty eight forty three. Ben, Who's up next? Yeah? He 352 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.680 had a Goh, but I do have a text. It says, this 353 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.039 is back to the over under. If rag Noow gets hurt, there's no 354 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.799 way they are going over ten wins. That's interesting. That might lead one 355 00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:01.960 to believe that Texter believes Frank ragnow Now is one of their top three players. 356 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:08.279 Who do you think are their top three players? Give me the three 357 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:15.160 guys you believe our top three. This is hard to do for a team 358 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:21.880 that has as much balance as the Lions. Jared Goff signed a contract that's 359 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.000 gonna pay him fifty million dollars a year. You would hope he's one of 360 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.519 their top three players. Jake and I were just talking about the combo of 361 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:37.200 Montgomery and Gibbs, one of the best, if not the best, one 362 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:45.799 two punch in the NFL. Sam Brown, Laporta, Decker, Glasgow, 363 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:55.119 Ragnow Zeitler Sewell, there's your starters defensively, McNeil, Reeder, Hutchinson, 364 00:33:55.279 --> 00:34:06.680 Davenport, Campbell and Saloon Davis, Arnold, Branch, Melafan, Wu Joseph 365 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:13.360 those are your starters. Who are the top three guys? For me, 366 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.440 I would say, not necessarily in disorder, Penney Sewell, I'm on Ros 367 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.639 Saint Brown, although he relies on a guy to get him the football to 368 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.880 make him the best, but I love what he can do catching the football, 369 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:30.440 making guys miss and so on and so forth. And I would say, 370 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:37.960 Frank Ragnow, Aiden Hutchinson and Jared Goff are right there with him. 371 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:43.920 But I would say, Frank Ragnow, I think he's that important. I 372 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.199 think he's that good. Here's how I look at it. This could be 373 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.199 flawed logic. Feel free to call me out if you wish. Who is 374 00:34:52.280 --> 00:35:00.840 considered the best at their position with the Detroit Lions. Suel Is, I'm 375 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:10.079 on, I'm on Ron Saint prowd Is, Frank Ragnow when healthy is if 376 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.119 you this is with all due respect to Aiden Hutchinson, because I said he's 377 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.239 right there. But if you look at Aiden Hutchinson and I think he's a 378 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.639 really good player, Okay, don't let's not just always look at sacks, 379 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:27.519 look at quarterback pressures, things of that nature. Really important to take that 380 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:34.840 into account, Okay, but defensive ends are measured by sacks. T J. 381 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:42.960 Watt, Trey Hendrickson, Khalil Mack, Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, 382 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:50.280 Micah Parson's different position, probably Montes Sweat. Those are just some of the 383 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:57.559 guys that probably rank higher than Aiden Hutchinson. There's not many wide receivers. 384 00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.000 I'm not saying he's the best. I'm just saying there's not many wide receivers 385 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:08.239 who are better then I'm on Ross Saint Brown. If I give you Tyreek 386 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.440 Hill, if I give you Ceede Lamb, if I give you a J. 387 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:17.039 Brown. Okay, list doesn't go much further than that. I still 388 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:24.480 think he's up there. And an offensive lineman standpoint, there's no tackle better 389 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:31.280 than Penne Sul a year ago. And when Frank Ragnow is healthy, the 390 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:36.360 same can be made. Same argument can be made for Detroit Center. There's 391 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.559 my logic. Meyer hotline eight six six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 392 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.920 Back to those lines, Ben, Who's next? Yeah, we got 393 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:49.440 Mitchell and Kalama zoo. Hey Mitchell, how are you? Mandy good? 394 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.119 Are you good? What's on your mind today? I just wanted to kind 395 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.719 of bring up that topic again about that into or outdoor. I think where 396 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.360 a lot of people get that from is just if you just look at GoF 397 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:07.360 splits specifically just GoF. You know, he just plays so much better indoors. 398 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.800 I don't think it's like an attachment to the team, because I think 399 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:14.039 running the ball can be done either way. I think if you look at 400 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.599 something like the Baltimore game where we couldn't run the ball anymore and we had 401 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.079 to come back, you know, just a lot tougher on Goth outdoor than 402 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.519 it is indoors. I think that's where that kind of philosophy comes from. 403 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:30.559 That having only three outdoor games really helps the Lions, because that means Goth 404 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:37.280 shouldn't have any issues indoor as statistically and historically he's been way better indoor than 405 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:42.320 outdoor. Yeah, I think a lot of that has to do with the 406 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.960 temperature too. It's not just outdoor. I think it's more about specifically about 407 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:52.039 a certain degree right, So outdoors, for example, I don't know if 408 00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:57.760 this will surprise you or not, probably not, but outdoors he completed sixty 409 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:04.440 four and a half percent of his passes compared to sixty nine percent indoors. 410 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:12.119 Anything minus forty degrees he struggled mightily. So I'm not sure it's as much 411 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.760 outdoors as it is the temperature in which you're playing. So if you're playing 412 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:23.639 Green Bay in December and you're getting twenty degrees, yeah, I'm My belief 413 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.920 is that a guy like Jordan Love and Green Bay are probably going to have 414 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.559 more success. I'm not going to disagree with that. They're more used to 415 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:34.920 it. So I think it's a great point by you. I think thanks 416 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.519 for the phone call. Appreciate it very much, Mitchell. I think any 417 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.800 quarterback playing indoors is going to be Any good quarterback is going to benefit, 418 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:49.880 don't you. You've got those perfect conditions, like Mitchell was referring to hundred 419 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:55.840 percent. Would not disagree with that at all. I just think we fall 420 00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:07.679 into a trap sports where we think that certain players or certain teams cannot play 421 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:15.440 because they're so used to one way or the other. Put it in perspective, 422 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:21.119 Jordan Love a little more used to it now, remember Jordan Love maybe 423 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.519 a little bit more used to it because he played at Utah State. I'm 424 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:27.239 not sure how much that should matter, because you would think Tom Brady would 425 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.119 get used to it, you know, playing at the University of Michigan, 426 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:34.519 but he was from California. But he Thrivedfornia at Michigan. He thrived in 427 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:40.119 New England and in bad weather situations all the time. Jordan Love, conversely, 428 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.280 of what Mitchell was referring to with Jared Goff and I brought up specifically 429 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:50.840 under forty degrees where he struggled mightily. Jordan Love completed sixty eight percent of 430 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:58.000 his passes compared to fifty seven percent when the temper temperature was forty degrees or 431 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:04.639 below. That tells you something. He's also more you know, used to 432 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:08.760 it. But that's part of the reason you believe that GoF struggles. The 433 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.119 numbers are there and he's not quite as used to it. That would be 434 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.760 a factor for just about anybody who isn't used to playing in those types of 435 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:23.239 conditions. Good call Meyer Hotlines open forty eight sixty six eight three eight four 436 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.280 eight forty three. That's eight sixty six eight three eight forty eight forty three. 437 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.440 You could text the program sports Radio to twenty one thousand hour number three 438 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.360 of ex'es and bros. 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