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M m. The truck is packed. We're ready to go see it.

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We're sitting here in this podcast studio. He's ready for packs. This is

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the Giant Bomb Cast. Wait,
I thought I want to hear more of

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the song. Keep going. We're
leaving on a jet plane. Okay,

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don't mind, might have for colors. Yeah, really, I'm flying out

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of a smaller airport. We all
puddle jumper. We probably do know when

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we will be back at Gain I
know, and I'm coming back. Yeah

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yeah, the day before Metal Gelling. Oh yeah, well that's an important

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date. Keep in mind it's the
Giant Bomb Cast. We are packs bound

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this week, yes, yeah,
matter of hours. We will be getting

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out of here. It's all true. Getting on airplanes, yes, of

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various types apparently. Yeah. I
didn't know that they still flew propeller planes

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out there. Yeah. I might
just be a small shut out of your

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out of your your your little local
boutique artisanal airport. They have one flight

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per day that goes to Seattle.
I am taking it. You're locally sourced

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propeller computer plane. Yeah what am
I flying? I'm flying an Embreyer one

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seven five. What yep? Wait, are you also not flying out of

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us A tail number? What I
am at a SFO? Yeah, what

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is that? I don't know.
It's an airplane. I thought all ember,

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I thought pretty much all planes were
bowing an airbust these days, I

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don't know. He's the ones that
like Paul banners behind them and oh maybe

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sky right, maybe we should totally
get one of those and have a fly

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around San Francisco. Giant bomb in
the sky. It's like Big Boss's face

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plant painted on the side of your
plane is a big promotion. Maybe could

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we get it to just write cam
trails. It would be really good.

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Someone must have done that by now. Someone must have gotten up in a

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plane and written chim trails in this
guy. Oh, if they haven't yet,

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then they should. You're right now, uh Cheff Gersman hydro scandal.

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Hey, Jason a striker, I'm
brand shoemaker. Embraer E one seven five

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is a two by two configuration.
That's my favorite. Yeah by two?

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What two seats next to each other? Oh okay, that is a smaller

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plane, just like a little charter
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take those to the bigger airports.
It's one of those with the questionable,

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questionable amount of overhead space m sometimes
questionable, I mean way too small.

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That's every plane now, I guess
so well. Yeah, because everybody tries

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to carry he checks anymore because you
gotta pay for it. Yeah, apparently

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the Polish airlines a lot uses them
a lot. Okay, along with as

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dual Brazilian airlines. We'll have fun
with your no name off brand airplane.

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I'll be chilling on I don't know, a big something else. Yeah,

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hopefully a Boeing or something. Yeah, Like all our stuff is literally on

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a truck or all, but some
of it, some of it probably more

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than a little, as we could
and still operate more more than we've ever

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taken to a packs before, I
would bet, although not nearly as much

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as the E three. The truck
came the truck the same size as the

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three truck. We put it all
in there, and there's like eighty percent

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left in the truck. We could
have just ridden the truck. Yeah,

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we should have just taken the truck. Yeah, like throw some fun live

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stream John Madden throws mare mattresses in
the back of that truck and just hang

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out. That'd be probably illegal,
yeah, but probably pretty unpleasant. Like

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Big Brother, Yeah, probably a
big truck. Yeah. Yeah, we

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got a lot of stuff going on
it. Packs. Yeah. Yeah,

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Well, some people got got it
in their heads that it would be a

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cool idea to run out a comedy
club for a few days. Last year

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we had an event off side of
Packs as well. This one is even

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bigger. Uh And it's Thursday night, the night before Packs is the first

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thing we're doing and people can go. Yeah last where last year's went to

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really well, just a little Q
and a session. Yeah yeah, bigger

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venue this time, higher production.
They've got lights and stuff, sound system,

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TVs everywhere, TVs. They have
their own audio mixer. Yeah yeah,

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they got a snake. Okay,
they have a snake. We're set

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digital one D snakes D snakes.
That sounds illegal. Well I can't talk

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about that. Yeah yeah. So
yeah, Thursday night, it was like

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a eight forty five ishes. When
the doors will open, you probably want

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to lineup ahead of time. There
was a there'll be a lot of people

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that will get in early. The
rsvped We posted that on the site and

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filled up immediately. Yeah, within
minutes. Yeah, it was like two

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three minutes or something. It was
RSVP Depp and out. But once those

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people get in. Can you still
just show up yes fast that it is

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first come. You don't even need
a pack serve. You do not need

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a packspadge, and and that thing
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GameSpot's going to be doing some stuff
out of there, and I want

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to see there's like, yeah,
there's food and like kind of drink.

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There's yeah, the Parlor Live.
I want to hang out there. So

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if you're in Seattle, just no
matter what you're doing, if you happen

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to be in that area, you
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get a get a drink or something. There will be a bunch of games

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there or a jump. It's that
close. I don't need to do a

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thing. And I don't think they're
barring people under twenty one either, really

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so miners can drink for underage not
what I'm at. Yeah, they'll check

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I DS at some point I want
to say that our event actually is twenty

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one up. Oh really yeah,
okay on Thursday, but but past that,

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I think it is open to a
wider array. On Friday, I'll

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snake in some liquor for you guys. Don't just slask it up real smooth

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do yous in The cops are here. They're looking for you. What I

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was talking about? No, no, no, this is coking here.

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I set all the booze in here
inside me already. What's a good call?

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Are you guys excited about packs?
We've been going to packs for a

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while. I'm excited about doing some
stuff that packs. It's always fun because

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you know, there are people that
we see at packs that we don't get

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to see a lot throughout the year, and it's a little less hectic usually

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than E three and stuff like that, so you can kind of just chat

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with somebody about video games for a
little bit. It does it does feel

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like a great coming together of you
know, people that are involved in all

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facets of video game business. Yeah, at its best, it feels like

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summer camp. Yeah, you know, kind of sure. Yeah, so

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it's it's kind of fun. Steel
Battalion, right, with a little bit

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more Steel Battalion, but yeah.
This year we're doing Mario Party Party live

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from Packs on Friday afternoon. The
Beast Cast will record live on Friday morning.

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I'll be on the YouTube stage Friday
morning with with some old friends.

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Clarification, beast Casts will be live
in front of a studio audience, not

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necessarily streamed live, right, Yes, I don't think it will be exactly.

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It will not be streamed live.
We are streaming Thursday night Thursday Night

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show, yes, and we are
streaming Mario Party, right, that is

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it. So yeah, Thursday Night
will stream us hanging out, talking,

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doing some stuff, putting on a
whole show, and then rock Band Night

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will commence sort of sort of like
the old packses of your those when they

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used to when they used to be
putting on rock band Nights. Everything brattle

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out West, that's right, Brattle
West. Those things got do not touch

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the screen, those things go wet, yeah, very soaked. So yeah,

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we decided to try to put that
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Harmonic, said hey, you have
a game coming out, right, and

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they were like wait, wait do
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something with that. Yeah. So
panel on Saturday night, YEP panel on

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Saturday night also not live streamed.
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theater that is not has no internet, which it's usually the case. Yeah,

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there's not a lot of big tech
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So why would you have internet,
not a lot of Yeah, and

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then we're on some other assorted uh
panels. You're with Pat Bears, Yes,

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I'm on Pat Bear's four or four
panel with one Mary kish Is okay,

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and I think Gret Pope Yeah,
probably gross Yep, it's a good

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group. It's gonna be sweaty,
yeah, it gonna be wet. And

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then there's a there's a wrestling panel
that I think Dan will be on and

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some other people. But I still
doing that. Oh yeah, that's crazy.

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We calling it the panel. It's
crazy. I mean it's technically a

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panel and that it takes up a
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what else to call it. Yeah, there's no there's really no other words

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too. And this is the actual
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the Yeah, this is the the
packs Rumble and that'll be Sunday morning.

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Okay. Was there actually a difference
between packs Rumble and what's the other one?

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Those actually are? Yeah, just
a separate matches. I guess specific

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matches up and different games as well. Okay, where's the rumble? Is

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just a gotcha two? K uh
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like WrestleMania two thousand yeah, not
not. Two ks have nothing to do

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with it. The rubble is clearly
a long and august tradition that has rules

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and you know, exact standards that
must be observed too. You will not

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see John Stewart showing up and fucking
things up at the packs rumble. I'll

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tell you that, playing fast and
loose without one. Yeah, it's the

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Marquee event. Yeah, there's there's
rules. There's actual rules, obviously,

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actual rules. Yes, how are
you guys preparing for the trip? I'm

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gonna get some monkey bars yea,
and some water okay, and bring that

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to the airport. Monkey bars,
monkey bars. Yeah, they're like a

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little granola bars. Get They're amazing. I'm charging my three ds are heavy,

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an expectation of heavy Mario and puzzling
and d yeah, oh man and

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dye. I always bring it and
think about street passing, and then I

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always end up leaving it in my
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with whoever is staying in that hostel. You don't get the same like ten

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dudes. Sure, yeah all the
time, but it's it's always full when

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I go to check it for puzzle
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I don't check it that often.
So do you guys find time, like

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during the show to keep up on
that stuff. I don't. I don't.

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I don't want to bring my three
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room because I don't like to carry
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I was way into it. Sure, but but you know, with like

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the you know the kind of the
only the ten street pass buffer, like

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you found yourself stopping every twenty minutes
to go through that stuff. You could

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you could deal with those ten people
and then have another ten Like you could

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sit there and street pass forever wants. It's just not like that's crazy.

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I see a lot of people doing
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I only my goal is to fill
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you can do like you can just
do that quickly, Like you don't have

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to go in and play stuff.
You just yeah I suppose, yeah,

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yeah, that's true. But I
want the puzzle pieces, Drew. I

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thought you might be trying to sustain
yourself between here and there purely on metal

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gear speculation. Yeah, it seems
to be coming up every five minutes around

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the office here, reading wikis and
printing him out and creating a giant you

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know grid on my wall with red
lines going from one place to the other,

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and you couldn't even make it through
your mic check here without what was

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it, Majored was talking about major
zero? You said, you said,

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I think the word zero. That
spun me off speculation about the XO unit.

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And then you said the word cipher
and that started like creaky old gears

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turning in my head that haven't moved
in a while, trying to remember what

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that is. Well, see,
the Patriots, uh had a fighting turn.

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No, they the Patriots broke up
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some point Zero formed Cipher. Okay, which is just kind of a renamed

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Patriots. But not all of the
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in Cipher. Wait the Patriots pre
date? Yes really? Yeah? Okay,

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yeah yeah. The Philosopher's legacy,
it's all than a lizz They got

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half of the Philosopher's legacy. Okay, that Sokolov had the other half?

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It really or I've had the first
half, volgan Van had it. Yeah.

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And it's just money, right,
yes, money and the names of

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the Patriots. Okay. It is
a microfilm containing a count account transfer information

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and the names of the Patriots,
and that money is earmarked for uh.

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They were going to use it to
try to control the world through control.

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They were going to control NATO machines
using the image of Big Boss, the

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perfect soldier, as as their means
with which to control the populations because he

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is so cares matter. So a
bunch of a bunch of tiny, little

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microscopic robotic big bosses running around,
yeah, inside you. That was.

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That was how they then later decided
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once Nano machines exist. Yes,
patriots, the Patriots got it. Okay,

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it all makes sense now. Then
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instead of people. So everybody put
meddling grzel in five spoilers in your GW.

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Didn't they live in the walls to
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ds? What the Nano machines the
Patriots? I think that was. That

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wasn't necessarily literal. I think that
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man. Yeah, well they're you
can't they're not everything, but they know

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all yeah, so much so that
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yourself that you are someone else,
to convince them that you are someone else.

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Weren't the Lali lu lay Low like
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Probably they were there, the ladies
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naturally ribbed for Yeah, sure,
I feel like I need to uh,

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I need to like preload some kind
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Whether it's there's a great thread on
our forum. Yeah yeah, oh just

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an info dump, Yes, okay, maybe I'll just load that up in

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a in a browser. Before someone
linked to a game's radar image gallery.

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This is how this is how Metal
Gear information is being conveyed. Now,

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they wrote a fourteen image image gallery
and the captions actually counting that happened in

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Metal Gear furteen doesn't even sound like
enough for one game. Yeah, they're

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they're kind of are. I mean, the images are obviously not important.

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It's just like they're writing like three
paragraphs on like here's what happened in this

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game, like in the chronological order. And actually it was relatively effective.

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I'm sure obviously it leaves out out
a ton of things, but it just

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sounds like they just went and read
like a metal gear Wiki and then condensed

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it and stuff, and I read
that this morning and we're like, yeah,

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that checks out, checks out.
I found I found a site which

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I think appears to be crowdsourced called
metal gear timeline dot com. Okay,

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have you seen that. I have
not. I think it's people contributing to

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it. The Patriots killed JFK.
Yes, it starts in nineteen eighteen or

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something like that, because at the
end of World War One when that would

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make together. But I always tensions
were good. I only started skimming it.

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But presenting everything in the metal Gear
Cannon in chronological order seems like impossible

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to grapple with. I feel like
I feel like you need to. For

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me, it actually for me,
it actually put it into context in a

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way that it was very difficult to
get by playing the games in order.

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Maybe I should go back and read
that whole thing, though, because when

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you think about the games, you
think about all these weird side roads.

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It goes down of all this nonsense
bullshit. But in the and if you

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just take it in broad strokes and
just kind of gloss over some of the

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hows and wise and just break it
down to this happen. This is the

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one thing that this game's right,
everything actually does really well. Is it's

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just like and then they change sides
and then they double cross this person for

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this half reason. Here's here's what
side this guy was on at this point

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in time, and also keeping like
half this ship kind of got reet coon

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and you're just like all right,
well, you know, sure whatever,

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Yeah, that's a good way to
look at the medicure cannon. Yeah,

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I think the best way whatever,
Yeah, the best way to look at

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the medal. Your canvas is going
like fucking whatever. Yeah. I think

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Kojima is at his most Kojima e
when he is coming up for explanations of

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why he is ret conning something like
he he doesn't just say like I changed

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my mind. It's like no,
man, it was really like this the

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whole time because of this. Yeah, wow, that's why layers deep of

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like what no is a person's hand
can't take over a body? Are you

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guys crazy? Who would even think
that? Here's what's really happening, Like

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the fucking Jesus Christ. Oh shit
is painful, Like it hurts when I

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think about what do you what do
you think Kojima thinks about Kim trails.

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I think that Kojima invented kim he's
bind it, Yeah, he is,

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secretly Okay, the philosophers wanted a
way to control the population this is,

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but then carried forward the patriots kind
of carrying out that stuff with g W

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and the AI. At some point
they need a way to distribute the nano

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machines to exert control over the populace
than airborne nano screw man, do you

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just like breathe them in or do
they crawl into your ears? Yes,

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all of that, but minis even
smaller. It's you know, it's it's

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all these things rolled again, mucous
membranes like animorphs cover them all up exactly

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like animorphs. Like like the saddest
thing about kind of the Cojima, you

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know, like like the Cojima break, Konami breakup or whatever has happening at

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Konami and all that sort of stuff
is that like metal gear is kind of

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made better because it is so old
and there is so much stuff to attempt

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to tie together that like starting from
scratch you could get weird, but there

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are no stakes, so like you
almost have to like if you were going

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to set out to make metal Gear
today, Like let's say Cojima were to

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like get out of Konami for an
example, and want to start something thing

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new, Like it couldn't really beat
any of that stuff right off the bat.

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You have to start with a base. You have to start with something

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like the metal Gear works, because
like the original Metal Gear is just a

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military game and you kill a robot
at the I mean in the MSX is

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a little different. But you know
in my metal Gear, uh, you

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find a computer at the end,
shoot a rocket at it. You do,

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you do, shoot a rocket,
blow that thing up. Fuck that

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computer. I hate computers. And
you know, even even the first Metal

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Gear solid took itself relatively seriously,
sure, aside from some of the psychomantas

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stuff or whatever, Like I mean, it got out there in a mystical

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way, but the core of it
was still still presented itself as like kind

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of serious. It's like, it's
the dark truth about metal Gear that unless

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they were out there shooting guns and
fucking trying to faithfully replicate c QC techniques

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and doing all the weird simulation stuff
that they think they're doing, and they

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work like a fraction of it into
the game but they weren't doing that.

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None of the rest of it could
matter because all of that groundwork gets laid

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and like inserted in kind of the
craziest spots. We're just like, Oh,

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all of a sudden, it's getting
very real. Yeah, like what

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who oh? Okay, Like it
makes you want to go along for the

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ride to see, like how fucked
up it gets totally I mean yeah,

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I think it goes without saying we're
all very curious. Yeah, and I'm

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totally interested in Big Boss. You
know, he's gone through so many different

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stages, you know, the absolute
villain to almost like a sympathetic character.

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You're gonna play as him, you
know, and then I'm I'm presuming this

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is going to be like the downfall
of Big Boss and where he makes his

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turn, right, so, but
like makes what turn? Because you think

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about it, like, you know, if this is said in like what

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eighty four or whatever, it is
like they're getting close to the time when

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he has to be working for the
American government again, because that's the opening

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of Metal Gear. True, you
know, he is he is technically a

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good guy. Again, I do
not want to add to any speculation,

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but you know, in the trailers
that we've seen. They're there seem to

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have been different versions of Big Boss. Yeah, I stopped watching that stuff.

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I just decided at a certain point, I was like, I don't

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need to see it because I'm going
to see it, right. Yeah,

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I've been trying to steer clear.
But we did the trailer episode and yeah,

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that was the first time that I
had seen that stuff. But he's

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trying to show them just a hallucination. It could be like that Space Whale

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or another clone. I don't know. I don't know. I actually haven't

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watched most of the Fano pain trailers. Okay, did you guys, either

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of you guys see that launch trailer
that came out today. It's the last

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one that you know, for fucking
like what fifteen years now. He has

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been making a big deal out of
the fact that he cuts and edits the

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trailer, you know, masters all
the trailers himself, or most of them

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creative control. This is the last
one that he will ever put together for

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a Metal Gear game. It's kind
of sad in a way. Yeah,

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trails, like say what you willed
about trailers overall, Like it's just like

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whatever, it's fucking marketing material.
Who cares. But like those games in

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particular, they were Yeah exactly,
they were events, like they were great,

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and Canomi treated them as such.
I mean they put out fucking DVDs

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devoted to reactions to trailers. Yeah, like that's insane. To the trailer

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DVD. That's insane. I mean, that's that's stupid, that's actually stupid.

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They invited they invited people to a
theater to show them the first trailer

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from GS two. Yeah. Uh
and and yeah no, I don't think

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any other game can get away with
that. Yeah uh no other franchise.

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I mean, I mean there are
bigger franchises than Metal Gear, but none

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are crazier and few have inspired as
much kind of like like a depth of

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attachment from players. Not many of
them have the pomp and the swagger and

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the self assuredness. Yeah sure,
it's self confidence. And say what you

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will about who makes those games.
You know, obviously it's a large team.

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You know that that goes into it. You don't really want to necessarily

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like kind of just say like Metal
Gear equals Hideokajima, you know, anything

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like that, But you know,
like that's as close I think as gaming

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has has gotten to kind of establishing
that, you know, I'll tour kind

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of relationship to a franchise certainly in
the modern era still sure, Yeah,

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yeah, absolutely, Yeah you go
back to when games were literally made by

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one person than then yes, but
yeah, uh but yeah, David Gage

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kind of comes in mind kind of
Yeah, yeah, I guess I would

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feel better about those if those games
were any good. That's that's kind of

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a I agree, like, but
I mean you're you're I guess you're not

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wrong. But in terms of just
like deep emotional attachment to a franchise,

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absolutely where people are just like hanging
by a thread for like little bits of

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information, knowing that but knowing full
well that that information maybe in fact just

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be misinformation. Uh, No one
does it like Metal Gear. Yeah,

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And I'm just talking more about,
you know, people that seem to have

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like a real firm graph on like
the narrative and you a direction of a

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particular game. Well, you know, he's still he still portrays himself as

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I'm sure he is the primary writer
of all of those games. You know,

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like even even when you've got like, for instance, you're like you've

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got to fall out and like Todd
Howard has sort of seen is the head

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of that whole project, but there's
still a writing staff underneath him that's largely

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setting the narrative tone there, you
know, right, I mean like it

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is a literally a like written and
directed by kind of guy, you know.

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Yeah, Like there's a certain aspect
like obviously, you know, I'm

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sure Todd Howard has a massive impact
on those games in ways that we could

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never possibly know. But you think
about like the way that Bethesda produces games

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and the size of those teams and
stuff like that, and you think that

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like some part of his role is
like hurting cats or something like that,

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you know, like getting all these
teams heading in the same direction and that

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kind of leadership role. Whereas like
the impression I always got from Cojima is

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like he's a legitimate lunatic sure that
has somehow been allowed to make games for

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all this time, and then someone
finally like looked at a balance sheet or

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walked in and caught him doing something
completely insane for the game, like we're

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motion capturing this plant for the next
week and a half, and then said,

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hell, fuck you, get your
fucking shit and go. We're gonna

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point a fan at it. Yeah, at different settings this rifle and we're

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just gonna like shoot these cameras of
it. You know, we're not.

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No one's holding it. The rifle
is just sitting here, but just in

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case we're missing something remote capping this
gun. How much making of footage do

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you think made it into that thing, into the one? Yeah, I

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bet there's not. Probably not much
at all in terms of extra material or

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I mean with with kind of the
fallout between you know, Cojima economy.

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Like I wonder if any kind of
making of stuff with ever that's like it's

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probably just kind of forbidden at this
point. Yeah, stuff you wonder,

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you wonder locked away in a vault
or whatever, that'll be the end of

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an era. But I think we're
all pretty excited about digging into that thing.

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Yeah. I hope it just goes
out the right way, you know.

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And and that if if Konami does
decide to make more metal gear,

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which they kind of have indicated they
want to, while simultaneously indicating that they

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don't want to make anything ever,
uh except money. Uh Well, I

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just I hope that they, you
know, kind of understand what that thing

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is, because I think other people
could do what Kajima has done and maybe

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even be a little more fiscally responsible, but it's yeah, I don't know.

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And he's made a clean break too, like he doesn't retain any kind

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of rights to Definitely, no,
I would bet money on that. Yeah,

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I'm sure. Yeah, even if
you guess we don't know for sure,

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but even if he was almost certainly
say, you know, even if

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he was parting amicably, which by
all accounts she's not, I'm sure that

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they would hold on to it.
Yes, absolutely, but I mean whatever,

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you know, like he was a
good run. It was a lot

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of games, you know, joke
definitely that like came and went and then

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came back, Yeah, and as
a completely different thing, and then they

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managed to tie it into the first
stuff in like a lot of really crazy

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ways. Yes, uh but you
know Chris Metal Grsela and it's still like,

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you know, one of my favorite
games, Snatcher, even like an

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old Coachima Giant. Yeah, I
love Yeah. I always wanted to check

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out Snatcher and Police Notts. Never
didn't. There's a really good English patch

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for a police We should look at
the stuff sometime. But you know,

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like a Snatcher with the minister yeah
yeah, yeah, only with the gun.

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Yep, it's way easier with a
controller. Yeah, totally. But

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you know, like the thing everybody
keeps saying about this running up to it

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is like this is kind of the
last slice of time in that whole arc

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left right that hasn't been covered by
a game. I mean, it's getting

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tighter and tighter. I guess we
don't know enough about the you know,

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ending point of fantom pain to really
say whether whether you believe he's had all

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this in his head all along,
or he's making up it as as he

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went. He's making up I mean, I agree with you I'm saying,

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but either whatever perspective you take on
that, yeah, uh, he's kind

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of had a chance to say what
he wanted to say, right like,

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like he's put out a lot of
these multiple times. So I I,

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for one, I'm not heartbroken,
like you know, I feel like it's

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time for a clean break on both
sides. Yeah, I just it's that

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that's the thing. Is I hope
that you know that they tie it up

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well enough. Yeah, and you
know, not gonna for as well as

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you could tie up a metal gear. Sure, obviously there's gonna be some

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00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.039
shit in that game where you just
like, what right, Johnny Sazaki side

408
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.880
stories Johnny Sasaki ki in, Yeah, I'll be really curious to see if

409
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.400
you're sack rising. Yes, okay, there you go, all right,

410
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.480
Yeah, it's making a cydeborg.
I'll just I'll be curious to see if

411
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:18.839
shits on things rumble down under robot
poop. Yeah, but it's like this

412
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:23.279
explosive blast. It's like a shotgun
that just melts robots, He poops cans

413
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.519
of rock Star Metal Gear just runs
up, gets ready to launch a nuke

414
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:30.799
and just this whole thing disintegrates,
time freezes, and he's just like frantically

415
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.720
pulling out toilet paper. All right, sure it could work. Do you

416
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.319
think do you think there's gonna be
this divide in the fan base if they

417
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.079
do keep putting out like kind of
big budget games with the name Metal Gear

418
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.519
on them, like you know,
the way stuff like Terminator and people are

419
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.119
like, ah, there are no
Terminator movies past the second one kind of

420
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.680
stuff, or although the Star Wars
prequels don't exist kind of thing like are

421
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.480
you know, are people gonna like, are the diehard fans gonna draw their

422
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.759
lines with sand skeptic and just be
like yeah, I think it depends on

423
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.400
what they do. Rising is a
great metal Gear game, right, but

424
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.599
I still it's not necessarily I feel
like it hasn't been universally embraced. Even

425
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.160
I can't help, but if people
have bad tastes, I'm not here to

426
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.079
comment one way or the other.
I just I know that I see a

427
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.480
number of people who say they're not
super into Rising that seemed to be pretty

428
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:18.039
big medicar fans didn't really try to
be Like Dan, for instance, has

429
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.880
never played Rising. You know that's
his problem, like like self proclaimed biggest

430
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.960
metal gear fan in the world,
like doesn't consider that game like important enough

431
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.400
to consume immediately. And he didn't
play Acid, which people seem to really

432
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.559
like Acid, right, I really
want to see that. I pulled up

433
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.759
my my copy of Acid too,
and I completely forgot they have a three

434
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:38.680
D steroscopic mode that yeah, like
it actually comes like board yep. I'm

435
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.640
like, what the fuck is this? Oh my god? Wow? Yeah,

436
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.279
because they would double up the images
on on the PSP, and yet

437
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.519
he was those glasses up to him. It was not the first or the

438
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.440
second one sec second. That game
is so weird with the crazy like neon

439
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.880
colored sell shading. Yeah, they
did sell shading in that one where it's

440
00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:00.920
realistic. Yeah. Yeah, neat
games I like, guess indeed long and

441
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.599
storied history. But there are other
games in the world besides Medal Gear,

442
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.240
thankfully, where we all would have
lost our mind years ago. So I've

443
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.400
heardst Medal Gear all the time.
Yeah, seriously, Jeff, tell me

444
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:12.960
about one or more of them.
There's Gears of War that's another video game

445
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:18.319
and also has Gear in the title. Yeah. Uh they even read franchise.

446
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:23.000
Yes, so they reissued Gears of
War one this wee for Xbox One

447
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:29.720
as Gears of War Ultimate Edition.
And I wasn't really sure what to expect

448
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:30.759
going into this thing. I know, you you had seen it ahead of

449
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.079
time, and you know kind of
when you came back and said, yeah,

450
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.799
the double frame rate was only for
multiplayer, like, I was a

451
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:40.640
little heartbroken. Yeah, but that's
still like today. I saw people posting

452
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.160
on forums assuming that the whole thing
was sixty frans a second, like yeah,

453
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.440
yeah, I was surprised by that. Uh yeah, So I wasn't

454
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:56.480
really sure what to expect going into
that thing. But I really really really

455
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.440
enjoyed Gears of War when it was
first released, like that was just an

456
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.279
incredible game. It was an incredible
moment like that generation. It was kind

457
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.200
of a landmark release. Yeah,
and it informed so many things afterwards in

458
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.160
terms of just like you know,
positive and negative. You know, it's

459
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.039
like the walk and Talk stuff that
didn't necessarily get on your nerves and Gears

460
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.240
of War one. By the time
two and three came around, you know,

461
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:19.559
you had your pat answer about you
know, walk and talks and overly

462
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.279
brown shooters and stuff like that.
You know, like they kind of drove

463
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.599
it into the ground a little bit. But also the cover mechanics and the

464
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.920
way it handled a lot of that
stuff, and the way it kind of

465
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:36.839
changed third person shooting or in popularize
these kind of new ideas like really changed

466
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.319
all of video games across multiple genres
and stuff like that. You know,

467
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.480
games that weren't necessarily shooters first still
found a way to put those sorts of

468
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.599
mechanics like to them. It felt
like every game last generation that did not

469
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.160
immediately have its own identity just assumed
Gears of Wars identity, you know,

470
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.400
yeah, Eve even even stuff like
that weird Star Trek action game that they

471
00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.240
made, Like any game that you
could name that wasn't immediately set out.

472
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.119
So we're making a license game where
you'd want to make a third person so

473
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.079
you could see the license a little
more clearly. You were making you were

474
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:08.599
trying to figure out if it had
guns in it, and figuring out a

475
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.720
way to make people hide behind stuff. Just that that offset over the shoulder

476
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:17.400
camera perspective, like all that stuff
just was just everywhere. So, I

477
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.799
mean, Gears of War is immense. It's it casts a huge shadow over

478
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:26.200
that generation that we still feel today. So I was wasn't really sure how

479
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.640
going back to it would really feel. And it turns out like I think

480
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:33.480
that game has aged incredibly poorly.
Uh, in part because it was so

481
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.440
big, in part because the sequels
even iterated on those mechanics. You know,

482
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.799
this is Gears of War one,
not two or three. I think

483
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.759
it'd be easier to swallow three at
this point, because even they changed it

484
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.599
up a few and you know,
a few meaningful ways, and added a

485
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.519
good co op mode, you know, or added a good co op versus

486
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.680
aimode as opposed to co op story. So yeah, it's one of those

487
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.400
things where it's like it doesn't perform
great, you know, there's still some

488
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.599
frame rate hitches and stuff like that. Even even on the Nextbox one,

489
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.279
the visuals got an upgrade. I
mean, it's it's night and day.

490
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.680
But at the same time, like
it doesn't look like a modern game necessarily,

491
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.119
so some of the you know,
like improvements of the gameplayer over the

492
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.000
years, they didn't bring any of
that into No, it's like the pacing

493
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.440
of it, Like the game just
feels very one dimensional, where it's just

494
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.799
literally like you're walking up to a
checkpoint, like I recognize every single checkpoint

495
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.599
in Years of War, which is
weird. I didn't actually expect that,

496
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:26.359
but instead it was just like,
oh, here's the part where you're in

497
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.880
the circle and they're gonna open holes
around You're gonna you know, you're gonna

498
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.240
fight your way around here, like, oh, here's the spot where you

499
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:33.759
pushed the car, here's the spot
where you know, here's the nighttime spot

500
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.000
where you're shining the UV light on
the krill. Obviously that's you know,

501
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.119
kind of a set piece moment.
Fighting the dude on the train, Yeah,

502
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.519
exactly. You're fighting the dudes,
You're you're working your way to the

503
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.240
front of the train. You're fighting
General rom you know, like like that

504
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:52.319
stuff, Like I was surprised by
how much of it kind of came rushing

505
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.079
back. But then you know,
along with that came like this feeling of

506
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:59.160
like, you know, like this
action is very one note. There's not

507
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.119
a lot else going onto. You
know, it's just kind of one firefight

508
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.640
after another, and they're all kind
of similar. Yeah, they're all identical,

509
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.960
damn near. You know, it's
it's just like, okay, here's

510
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.319
a part where you're gonna fight some
some uh, some wretches, and they're

511
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.720
the glowing ones this time, so
look out. Uh, you know,

512
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.640
the the one little that there's like
one encounter in that game that I feel

513
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:22.599
like feels markedly different, and it's
when you're underground, uh, when you

514
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:28.599
are coming up on the pumping station
uh to kind of like plant your your

515
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:34.279
your mapping device and get out of
the underground. Like that station has multiple

516
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.759
ways up onto it, and there
are a bunch of enemies all around,

517
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.079
like it feels a little more open
than the rest of the game. Uh,

518
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.240
And playing that, you're like,
oh, okay, yeah, I

519
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.480
remember this checkpoint actually being a fucking
pain in the ass because you know,

520
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.680
just like we weren't great as you
know, as as seasoned with that type

521
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.200
of gameplay back then, our enemies
and stuff like that. Yeah, like

522
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.480
you just had to watch your sides, your your corners, of right.

523
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.160
But at this point, you know, like, actually, I've also gotten

524
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.000
way better at just throw grenades into
into holes over the nine years. Uh

525
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.319
So in that first game, I
didn't close a hole at all. First

526
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:08.839
couple of times through it, I
was just terrible at throwing those grenades.

527
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:15.359
This time nailed almost everyone. Uh
And so it's weird because I just I

528
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:16.640
don't think it's I don't think it's
a great game. I don't think people

529
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.519
should should spend their time playing it
because it's just it has aged so poorly.

530
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.839
But also I still have a reference
for Gears of War for what it

531
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.640
did for video games, and I
really really did enjoy it. At the

532
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.720
time, it seemed like they just
spend all their time on the multiplayer,

533
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:37.240
which if you care about that,
then there's more to it than than what

534
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.880
I'm saying here. You know,
you might still get some enjoyment out of

535
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:40.839
it, But do you think that
there were more people that were interested in

536
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.680
the multiplayer aspect of it at this
point. Probably. I don't know,

537
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.079
it's just like, certainly not when
the game came out. Yeah, I

538
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.519
think there's certainly a community of people
that were interested in the multiplayer in Gears

539
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.279
of War, and you know,
like it's let's not forget it's been four

540
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:59.680
years. Well no, god completely
forgot Judgment. I was about to say

541
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:00.839
it's been four years since the Years
of War release, but then yeah,

542
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.200
Judgment also came out, but even
that was like two yeah, probably three

543
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.360
probably two maybe three. Yeah,
probably it's been even a while since Judgment,

544
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.519
but that one, you know,
obviously did not go over as well.

545
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:14.559
Three definitely, not definitely, but
either way, you know, like,

546
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.199
if you're a diehard Gears of War
multiplayer person, you haven't had a

547
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.119
new thing in a while, and
yeah, you're probably buying this and playing

548
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.280
it and good on you. Like
what I mean was like a hold over

549
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.320
until proper new years of work.
But it's actually it's kind of weird because

550
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.079
it's specifically those people that make the
Gears of War multiplayer so fucking insufferable now

551
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:35.840
because that game has just you know, and this happened over the course of

552
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.440
its development, people just that stuck
with it got way better at it.

553
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.599
People that went to play other games
and cared about the campaign played a lot

554
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.400
of Horde mode you'd get in the
competitive multiplayer, and it was just like

555
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.000
it was a different game than than
what you were playing in any of the

556
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.800
other modes, because it just became
I'm going to roll it behind you,

557
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.119
shotgun, You'm gonna roll behind you, stick you with a grenade, roll

558
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:57.760
away, and those tactics kind of
rule the day. Uh, And that's

559
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.679
fine. Some people really like that. I think it's completely I think it's

560
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.239
super lame. I mean, it
could be super frustrating when you're not good

561
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.360
at it, because you're just dying
in one hit from things that you didn't

562
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.280
see coming. Yeah. Yeah.
I think someone like coming into Gears of

563
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.039
War for the first time right now
and like playing this is gonna go like,

564
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.719
all right, this campaign doesn't look
so great and this multiplayer is like

565
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.599
annoying as shit? What the fuck? Why do people like Gears of War?

566
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.639
Like they'd be really taken aback?
I think by it, like it's

567
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.079
not a good primer. It's not
a good way to like reintroduce Gears of

568
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.960
War. Did they change anything in
the multiplayer? Yeah, they did.

569
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.280
They they well, I mean it's
it's sixty frames per second for starters,

570
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.639
but that's awesome. Like they had
spotting front, which I think didn't show

571
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:38.679
up until Gears That's where that's where
you get some of the later mechanics roll

572
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.960
back in. So they did some
things there. They've got you know,

573
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.280
playlists and hoppers and stuff like that
for a lot of different modes. And

574
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.719
and I assume like you know all
the dealc. You know, they have

575
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.480
dec maps from one. There are
a lot of maps in it, so

576
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.920
it's like it but it's it's one
of those things where like maybe they should

577
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:59.440
have just made like eight Gears of
War multiplayer least two and three with all

578
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.679
the maps. Man, it's done. If they had adapted like the Horde

579
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.719
mode from three into this as well
or something like that would have been a

580
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.679
huge game changer for me. I
think if they if they had rolled a

581
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.079
Horde mode back into Gears one,
uh and and put that in, that

582
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.400
would be huge. Oh man,
I'm like Gears one maps like that fountain

583
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.239
area you were talking about, like
that could be a yeah ain't game.

584
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.199
Yeah, So I think that would
have been very big, But they didn't

585
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:30.239
do that. And you know it's
it's an upres it's not you know,

586
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.840
like I feel like, you know, if you're gonna remake a game like

587
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.440
this game to truly do Gears of
War one Justice, you would need to

588
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.119
spend more dev time on it than
would be actually sensible. Yeah, that

589
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.000
wo'd actually be sensible, especially if
you're a studio making Gears of War four.

590
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.239
Yeah, exactly, Like I look
at this and go like this should

591
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.719
have gotten the Resident Evil remake treatment. Yep, Like someone should have you

592
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.519
sat down and said, like,
let's let's rebounce every encounter, let's touch

593
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:54.920
every part of this game boring stuff. Yeah, exactly, tighten this stuff

594
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.239
up, like like, do things
to it. Tell the same story.

595
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.599
Uh, and in some case you
can probably use the same dialogue. I

596
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.760
think some of the dialogues a little
clunky this you know these days, but

597
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.840
you know you could probably get away
with that. Well it's insolve nostalgic as

598
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.679
well, and that's like sure,
sure, but I think you know you

599
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.920
could. You could do a lot
to it and and freshen that game up

600
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.920
in a way that would make it
awesome. Yeah, I'm with you,

601
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.719
because, like, you know,
establishing those characters all that other stuff,

602
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.360
like you know, let's say what
you will like there. You know,

603
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.360
I think some people write off the
Gears of War characters is just like big

604
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.400
dumb thick and they are. But
like, over the course of that trilogy,

605
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.480
you you come to terms, you
know. I came to terms of

606
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.880
that and really enjoyed like the story
that they told, even if it was

607
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.760
like confusing along the way. Yeah, yeah, I think that that that

608
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:44.559
Gears of War deserves better than what
it got with Ultimate Additions a pretty big

609
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.000
missed up, yeah, missed opportunity. Yeah, absolutely, that's yeah,

610
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.199
that kind of bums me out.
It's probably cheap to make, yeah,

611
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.119
I bet it almost seems like something
that like as they were getting ready to

612
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.159
make Gears of War four, they
just like, now, let's re familiarize

613
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.880
ourselves with the tech and do this
first. To do this on the way

614
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.159
to Gears four, I don't really
know, but it's like, hey,

615
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.599
those remasters are doing real good nowadays. Maybe we'll do one too. You

616
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.000
also get like access to like the
previous games, like like through back backwards,

617
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.320
incredibility will open up I guess all
four of the games. It's cool,

618
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.360
which yeah, I mean that's that's
a decent price for that stuff.

619
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.440
I think like going back to original
Gears of War one, right now,

620
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.239
it is a blurry, crazy mess, Like you look at it and go

621
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.119
like, man, what, like
what were we thinking? Like at the

622
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.920
time that game was revolutionary and looked
incredible and you were like, oh my

623
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.119
god. But like you go back
and look at it now, it's like,

624
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.119
you know, this still actually runs. Well, it's one of those

625
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.039
things we're playing the multiplayer. I
went back and played some Gears of War

626
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:42.559
one multiplayer. While I was playing
some of Ultimate Edition, I was like,

627
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.880
no, this is actually still fine. You could still play this awesome.

628
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.639
Okay, Like it's blurry, but
the gameplay is still there. Yeah,

629
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.360
you could still do this. If
this is your first encounter with Gears,

630
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.280
if you're one of those people,
forty dollars doesn't seem like a really

631
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.360
bad deal. Like I hate throwing
like value into the equation, sure you

632
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.599
or anything like that, But it's
one of those things where I feel like,

633
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.360
if it's your first experience with Gears, you will be left kind of

634
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.679
wondering why anyone ever cared about Gears
of War because it hasn't it doesn't aged,

635
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.480
well, it's it's kind of just
clunky, and there is some potential

636
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:12.880
for that. But you know,
some people like to go back and experience

637
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.960
the whole arc of a thing that
they missed, you know, totally,

638
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.679
even even if the first one doesn't
hold up that well, Like just completionists

639
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.239
will want to say, well,
I have seen the entire story, thank

640
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:25.440
you. Yes. It would have
required a very specific mindset to to enjoy

641
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.360
Gears of War one at this point, like you, you'd have to approach

642
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:34.400
like a historian, like yeah,
and you could play co Op. I

643
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.039
think if you're with another person and
you're talking and whatever, then it's probably

644
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:45.519
all right because I mean playton small
chunks basically, because it's about pretty similar.

645
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.760
It is all very similar. A
lot of fond memories of co Op

646
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.599
Gears Local Yeah, sure, yeah, it's got split screen, it's got

647
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.840
online, got online. Yeah.
Do you know what the split screen looked

648
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.039
like? Try that out at all? I didn't know, okay, because

649
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.679
you said that it was already running
it like thirty and then yeah, like

650
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.519
some in some cases like berserk or
fight stuff like that, where this the

651
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.400
frame rate takes some hits here and
there, and then one spot where like

652
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.280
the world didn't draw in like a
handful of spots where the AI is just

653
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:15.079
rotten. Yeah, like your squad
members just don't keep up with you,

654
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.920
or the AI doesn't activate, the
enemy AI doesn't activate. So here's like

655
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.599
shooting dummies that are standing they're taking
I seem to remember that in the first

656
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.559
game. Yeah, so like that
sort of stuff happened multiple times to me

657
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.920
across the campaign an ultimate edition.
Yeah, it's that is a bummer.

658
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.400
Yeah, it is a bummer.
Like I said, Gears of the War

659
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.960
deserves better. I can't imagine they'll
do anything like this for the other two.

660
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:39.960
No, it seems like a one
and done kind of thing. I

661
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.519
mean, you know, Force Force
coming out next year, So have they

662
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.480
said that, I believe. I
mean it seems like it has to you,

663
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:51.280
I would hope. So I don't
know. I'm just kind of running

664
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.119
out of time to do anything else, Like like having this thing come out

665
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.280
and then linger I think would be
a really bad thing for the Years of

666
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.280
War franchise, Like this kind of
has to be like, hey, play

667
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:05.559
some Gears War multiplayer while we make
the real Gears of War sequel or something.

668
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.199
People who are a way in the
Gears multiplayer will probably just be coming

669
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.559
off of this about this time next
year. I guess YEA, hopefully sure

670
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.920
for them. I mean, for
as botched as the master Chief collection was.

671
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.920
You know, you had all those
games, that's a damn fine collection,

672
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.840
Like all the problems aside, Like
that thing was looking like an amazing

673
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:29.239
package of stuff. Boy man,
that could have been great. Yeah,

674
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.800
it's pretty nice, is it.
It's okay, we haven't had we haven't

675
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:37.119
had the Drew Scandal master Chief Collection
check in at all. Honestly, I

676
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.519
haven't checked in in a while,
but I think some of the things I

677
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:44.679
last time I checked, I think
to curb a lot of the matchmaking issues.

678
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:50.719
Instead of like a lobby like Call
of Duty style where you sort of

679
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.000
roll with the same group or you
you know, once a game is done,

680
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.039
you go back to the matchmaking thing, they just kill it all completely

681
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.920
and bump you back to the menu
and you have to start initiate the searching

682
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.960
and fixed it by starting to cut
features. Yeah, so I haven't been

683
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.639
back in a while, so maybe
that's different now. I don't know.

684
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.400
Well, they put a DST in, it's true, so I guess that's

685
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.119
something. Don't you feel better now? Smoky jazz makes everybody feel better.

686
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:20.360
Yep, it's fact. It's a
scientific fact. All right, Well there's

687
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.880
your Gears of War minute. Did
you're even chewing on anything that's you uh

688
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.760
sorry, besides puzzling dragons? Yeah, that's as you know, you've been

689
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.960
been chewing a piece of leather as
you wait for met gear. So then

690
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.400
the Mario puzzling dragons? Yeah,
move, No, no, I'm studying

691
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.679
the Mario. Sorry, I've been
doing a saying puzzling dragons when really,

692
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:43.360
I mean Mario and puzzling drection.
Are you just playing the Mario side of

693
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.400
it? Yeah? Yeah, I'm
not. You know, I'm not.

694
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.119
It's it's my before bed things.
I'm not getting too far, a little

695
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.800
bite size thing. Yeah. It'll
load up any other mobile mobile games for

696
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.360
you. Get your pack Man two
fifty six on. No, I haven't.

697
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.159
I just got that downloaded, you
have, I haven't littered up yet.

698
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:06.119
It's good, it's I'm liking it, but it's it's not hitting me

699
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.679
as hard as Cross the Road did
when that first hit, And in fact,

700
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.719
they went and added a free pac
Man mode to Cross the Road that

701
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.719
might actually be better than Wow,
I need that. I need to see

702
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.840
where it's you're still hopping but you're
pac Man, and like there are power

703
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.280
pellets and all the cars are replaced
with ghosts so you can eat cars.

704
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:30.639
Okay, alright that mode and cars. Yeah, I know you do,

705
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.079
so that's uh, that's pretty neat. It has a separate leader one that's

706
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.199
weird thing to stick in there.
Yeah, it's it's like promotional for Pacman

707
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.719
two. Yes, sure, but
yeah. I downloaded the pac Man two

708
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.800
ft six before I knew who made
it and started playing it, and I

709
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.559
was like, fucking come on,
Namco, are you serious? I had

710
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.199
a tweet half written, and then
somebody happened to tweet right before I posted

711
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:59.639
it about the fact that it was
actually made by the Crossing Road, because

712
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.159
like the lineage is like the you
know, the stylistic touches, and even

713
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.400
just the straight up gameplay format like
hard. Yeah, it's it's absolutely that.

714
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.159
It just got me thinking, like, there are plenty of other arcade

715
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.320
games you could just do that too, Yeah, how many of them didn't?

716
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.400
Well, it wouldn't have to be
named code games. No, No,

717
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.519
it definitely wouldn't be What would you
do with Dick, Doug, Dick

718
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.440
forever, just keep going down.
Okay, you know, it becomes like

719
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.000
a more of a mister Driller type
experience at that point. But if you

720
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.679
were digging and dealing with pukas and
five gars and dropping rocks and yeah,

721
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.920
then then yeah, that's probably how
I would do that. Yeah. Are

722
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.960
you still playing much of this back? Man? Yeah? Well, I'm

723
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.679
I'm going real light on it,
and I'm playing it here and there.

724
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.320
I'm not I'm not like great at
it. Yeah. I fired it up

725
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.719
today for the first time in like
four or five days. But yeah,

726
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.159
I'm I'm enjoying it. I think
it's I think it's pretty well made.

727
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.719
But there are some parts of it
where like some of the ghost placements occasionally

728
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:59.639
just feels like, well, this
is actually unfair. Some of it feels

729
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:01.920
very chea. Yeah, okay,
well, I'm actually kind of screwed here

730
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.079
because of the way this is gone. The pink ghosts, like I do

731
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.320
like that the ghosts have different behaviors
correspond to their colors. Yeah, or

732
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.159
that you know, you can at
least remember like, Okay, the pink

733
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.320
guys are the ones who are gonna
follow me when I crossed their line of

734
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.360
sight right right, or they'll be
ones that just you're gonna go in a

735
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.559
circle, right. I was kind
of go back and forth because there were

736
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.519
no behavior differences in original packs.
A. Yeah, yeah, I believe

737
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.159
Red Ghost kind of is the chaser. I never knew that there's there's bashful,

738
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:30.880
but yeah, like there have been
some cases, especially when you're playing

739
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.280
the actual mode, not the truly
free one, but the one where you're

740
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.159
spending credits on each run for power
ups and stuff. Yeah, like I

741
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.119
got sandwiched between two Ghosts where I
couldn't even see one of them coming until

742
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:44.239
I'm already committed to go in that
way, like ten seconds into my run,

743
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:45.079
and it's like, oh, there's
a fucking credit down the drain.

744
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.000
It's it is way more free to
play than Cross the Road was. Yeah,

745
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.039
and like you could spend fourteen dollars
on that game if you really wanted

746
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.639
to, like right off the batin
well, no, right up, not

747
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.119
right off the bat Well, it
doesn't even expose the ulimited credit option until

748
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:01.800
you run out of credits. Yeah, one of them. I'll never run

749
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.920
out of credits. That's kind of
how I've been playing. I just haven't

750
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.679
played that. I haven't either.
One of the developers said they're very tweeted

751
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.400
at me and said they were going
to, uh it sounded like they're going

752
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:13.159
to add an option to just buy
that buy your way out of the credit

753
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.360
system right off the bat at some
point. But I mean, what's that.

754
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.760
You know, it's like, hey, we'll surface this thing sooner rather

755
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.159
than later. Like that's that's not
a meaningful change. Like eight dollars is

756
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.960
the part that's kind of shitty.
Eight dollars is a lot. Yeah,

757
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.760
just turn that thing off like maybe
five. It's five for the coin DOBB

758
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.480
look right, is it really?
Yeah? Yeah, you're right, Yeah,

759
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.760
you're yeah totally. Uh that's uh. I don't know. I like

760
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.400
it, but maybe not that much. Yeah, Like I like it enough

761
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.119
to burn through most of the credits
I have and then maybe put it down.

762
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.519
So yeah, across the road add
ons pretty good. I just played

763
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.559
it. Yeah, yeah, verified, it's free. Yeah, although you

764
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.679
had to probably road that's a hell. You have to go purchase. You

765
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.519
have to go quote buy it,
which might mean that they can charge money

766
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.079
for it at some point. So
if you're all interesting that you should probably

767
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.719
go get it. Now in case
they make it. Yeah. Yeah,

768
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.119
this this one leans a little more
towards the freak to play stuff, and

769
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.960
I would like. But I still
think those guys make really interesting games in

770
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.639
the mobile format. I think they're
good at turning arcade games into endless runners.

771
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.880
Yes that more specifically, Yeah,
I think that. And I like

772
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.840
their visual style that they do it. And so you like the music,

773
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:21.360
and there's a lot of good presentational
stuff in pac Man and Cross the Road

774
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.000
that you're both really solid totally.
I also watch you Dan play a MOBI

775
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.159
right, that's right gone? Have
you gone back to it since then?

776
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.920
Real fun? I tried to get
him to play with me, but oh

777
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.119
he's done. Starting doubt his commitment. Yeah that sucks. If you know,

778
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.760
if he had just bought that fucking
Rainer skin, he would be all

779
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.199
in. I know, he would
have it, he would have an investment.

780
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.480
Yeah, I mean you should probably
just buy the Rainer skin for him

781
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.400
to just send him off the pier. I wonder if he's still lugged in

782
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.480
on that PC over there, should
totally go do it. Yeah, so

783
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.199
I'd buy that with my credit card. I'd do it. Uh. Yeah,

784
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.519
that game's fun. Here's the storm. He surprised me with it,

785
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:06.199
like he of it earn. Yeah, honest shot so shocking a little in

786
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.079
an interval of self awareness on his
part. Yeah, he tried that game.

787
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.760
I've recorded a couple of videos of
him attempting mobay if I've heard tell

788
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:19.079
Yeah, and he was in a
troll mode involved. I feel like,

789
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.159
as someone who has attempted to play
a Moba before, it's not even really

790
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:27.199
about a troll mode. It's it's
more about like this holds very little appeal.

791
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.960
But when he's you can kind of
well, like he's put on acts.

792
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.360
He knows what he's doing. Yeah, or does he? I actually

793
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.400
don't know. Sometimes Yeah, he
mostly knows. Maybe it's instinctual. Yeah,

794
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:44.519
that we mock what we don't understand. For true, it's very true.

795
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.360
Jason, Hi, how are you
doing doing pretty good? Man?

796
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.599
Yeah, I haven't really branched out
into any new games. We've had games

797
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.519
too. We've had the in laws
like in for the last week or so

798
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.920
so that Yeah, we've been going
out every night for dinner and stuff.

799
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.360
Party but yeah, within laws and
seriously and laws and a pregnant wife,

800
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:07.599
that sounds like a party. Those
folks can drink. I mean, not

801
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.920
to preg that wife, but yeah
those yeah yeah, they get drunk.

802
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.000
Yeah yeah, it's pretty fun alright. But no, in between that,

803
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.079
man, I've been still still playing
that Rocket League said, yeah, level

804
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:22.840
thirty veteran. Wow, holy shit, man, I don't think I'm even

805
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.400
a twenty ye I that's impressive.
And I got my platinum. You did,

806
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.039
yeah, I did. Did you
buy the DLC? I did?

807
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.079
Oh immediately, Yeah, like yeah, and I also bought it on Steam

808
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.800
as well. What was the deal? delC is just like a two new

809
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.639
cars, a couple of new wheels, a bunch of new head gear and

810
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.960
stuff at a new stage head gear. Yeah, and like Rocket Trail,

811
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.280
you know what stages stage is free? That's right. Yeah, because there

812
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.199
was a patch just before I DLC
with the stage came out and some of

813
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.559
the like the sorry items, which
is kind of funny and it's I love

814
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:57.280
that they're like so aware they were
like this, and then it's all from

815
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.239
you know, because they had a
really rocky launch. You know, overs

816
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.920
were just dead still a little rocky
here and there. I'm once in a

817
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.679
while, like dude, I don't
have a great time with it. I

818
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.199
still I run into a problem a
lot of like it it's like it doesn't

819
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.880
fully connect with the server or something
so that I don't see my car,

820
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.880
I don't see my spectative until like
the initials, Like connecting to the servers

821
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.320
is still pretty pretty shaky for me, Like the way you there, like

822
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.159
like it'll it'll, it'll lag behind, and it won't fully connect you until

823
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.079
the kickoff has started and barely have
time to get ready to kickoff. Yeah,

824
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.280
if they would just like you know, get everybody in the game five

825
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.159
second timer, I think that would
that that would help ut Yeah, that

826
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.760
would be ideal. But no.
I also watched so the MLGH. A

827
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.880
couple of the guys over there are
big fans of Rocket League and they really

828
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.599
want to see like the e sports
potential of this, so as like a

829
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.639
passion project, they decided to throw
a little tournament with some of the like

830
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.719
well known players. And I watched
the finals of that, and the shit

831
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.079
is amazing and it's humbling, and
I absolutely urged anyone to go watch the

832
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:59.159
finals of that game. It's fucking
awesome. That sounds cool. Yeah,

833
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.679
ending is the spectator mode they added
that and then last past that's that's a

834
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:06.000
little weird too, So like,
for example, with the MLG stuff,

835
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.719
you know, they were just in
there as a spector trying to do the

836
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:14.639
camera stuff. But but whenever you
switch perspective, there's like a big radial

837
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.000
wheel that pops up in the middle
of the screen and you've got to like

838
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.039
scroll to whomever you want to see. But yeah, they give you some

839
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:22.400
some good controls with that, I
guess. So if you just wanted to

840
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.039
do like, uh, you know, just like a free roam cam,

841
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.119
I think that might be the best. But otherwise you can switch to other

842
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.239
people's perspectives, and yeah, it's
a neat little addition. So if you

843
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.559
know, people do want to stream
that stuff with teams, that ship's out

844
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.079
there. But yeah, games,
Yeah, consuming the hell out of my

845
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:43.280
free time. Wow, I'm impressed
that you're sticking with it that hard.

846
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.119
I'm away from the Platinum. It's
it's definitely one of those you know,

847
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.760
I just just one more game,
you know, and then it's a couple

848
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.800
of hours later, Yeah, finding
myself with sleeplessening order. I assume they

849
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.719
probably have a lot more dealc in
the works, as many copies as there

850
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.320
are back when it became a PlayStation
Plus game, and kind of was was

851
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.239
taken on that they that that caused
them to kind of revisit what their DLC

852
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.480
plans were going to be in to
get a little more aggressive on that end,

853
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.199
because you know they're going to be
giving away the game for kind of

854
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:15.639
nothing. So I assume they have
plenty more Rocket League Canyon. Yes,

855
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:16.840
yes, don't joke, man,
I mean, I don't know if you

856
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.000
guys played the original game, super
Vaticans. That's also I pulled up some

857
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.480
footage of it after Rocket League got
big, and it looks like the same

858
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.320
thing for the most car yea,
the same game. They had a lot

859
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.119
of stages, you know, with
some verticality to it, you know,

860
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.599
like hills and ramps and shit like
that, which would totally change the dynamic

861
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:37.840
of this game. I don't know
if it would be like as accessible now,

862
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:39.239
but yeah, it'd be cool to
see some of that stuff maybe get

863
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.960
out there as like alternate modes or
side stuff. Absolutely, so, I

864
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.679
still think they'll, you know,
they'll run into a situation where like,

865
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:50.440
you know, if they split the
user base with too many different options,

866
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.039
you know, into too many different
hoppers, and then then that could be

867
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.000
detrimental after the like once the game
is kind of died down a little bit,

868
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:00.760
a little bit like a stunt mode
and your car has wings, ok,

869
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.719
and you can deploy them. It
sounds good. Yeah, okay,

870
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.079
all right, sure, yeah?
I mean then how about like garage where

871
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.880
you can stick like springs on your
car and like extra engines. Okay,

872
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:15.519
I think build your car entirely out
of engines. Uh huh. I think

873
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.000
actually, actually think it would be
cool if they just like did kind of

874
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.599
spinoffs of this or something where it's
like, hey, you know, it's

875
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.519
the cars from Rocket League, but
it's in this completely different game, but

876
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.679
now it's a racing game. Now
it's this like kind of just and actually

877
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.159
released those as different products. You
know. I think that would be kind

878
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:36.519
of neat. That would be good
stuff. For sure. I need to

879
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.440
get that last trophy and then I
might take a break, but don't break.

880
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.800
I'll keep going. It must have
taken you a while to get that

881
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.039
five one. No, it finally
just popped up really yep, because like

882
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:50.800
yeah, after the first like you
know, big Patch, you know they

883
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:53.039
said accurately tracking that stuff and it
just came up. Yeah, eventually,

884
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.320
like oh, shit, that's right. I was going for the platinum and

885
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:59.559
then yeah, the last one actually
set up the break shot one, which

886
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.360
is funny that I did you did
you game that one? Yeah, game

887
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.320
to that one, But it's funny
like after that, I had like two

888
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.320
or three of them, like and
because they they tracked that stat also and

889
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.159
I have the same thing happened with
me. I've got like three of them.

890
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.800
No, but yeah, they just
happened naturally after that. Yeah,

891
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.559
of course, anybody who've used like
you know, the screen cap of why

892
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:21.440
Platinum is like that guy was clearly
game in the system. Fucking scheeter.

893
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.239
You can't cheat. I did you
got the you got the TIS Like,

894
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:28.199
there's no Yeah, they let you
get the trophy by yourself. They should

895
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.039
have. They should have put more
limits and how you get the trophies if

896
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.719
they wanted. Yeah, true to
matter. But yeah, they've got a

897
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.400
new trophies with the the DALC as
well. Uh and I think yeah,

898
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:38.679
but yeah, the pat right before
that too. I think there was a

899
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:40.840
couple of trops. It's weird.
Yeah, there's like a section on the

900
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.440
trophy view for the new map.
Yeah, like as a piece of DALC,

901
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.239
Like there's like three trophies just attached
to that map, which is kind

902
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:50.920
of crazy, man, I said
her playing TV two, and I've never

903
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.039
really done that very much, and
I think I preferred that mode the best.

904
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.400
Yeah. Yeah, three v three, you know you've got you know,

905
00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.400
somebody up front on on goal,
you got somebody kind of mid doing

906
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.559
sweeps, and then you got a
goalie that pretty much sits back there for

907
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:06.159
the most part. Yeah, if
everybody's kind of playing there the positions.

908
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:07.840
But in TV two, man,
you really have to you know, pick

909
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:12.000
and shoes when you come out of
that goal, so it's even more of

910
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:13.920
a risk reward. I did.
I did a little TV two over the

911
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:15.599
weekend, and you're totally right,
Like in three v three there are enough

912
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:19.559
cars on the road, on the
road on the field that if they have

913
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.360
a strong defense, it can it
can be almost impenetrable, you know,

914
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.239
like even when you've got good shots
lined up there there all the time.

915
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.920
But yeah, but you're right with
with TV two, like they are clear

916
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.360
of the goal pretty often. Yeah, way more interaction with that. You

917
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.320
get a lot of clean shots.
I do four before all the time,

918
00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:38.679
and you would think that that's super
hectic, but it actually can be really

919
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.280
boring, and frequently, you know, we'll either come down to like one

920
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.840
or two goals or overtime, but
there's always somebody in the goal. So

921
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.480
we've actually kind of had to resort
to getting aggressive and knocking people like goalies

922
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.880
out of the goal just so we
can get some I've come up. I've

923
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.280
come up against a few teams for
sure, where a key strategy is let's

924
00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.840
just drive at them the top speed
and you know it's it's it's actually valid.

925
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.159
Yeah, it's it's a mechanic in
the game. It's frustrating a ship

926
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.119
though, when they do it to
you over and over. I found that

927
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.039
I'm super bad at getting pop up
ball and especially if I'm prett close to

928
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.639
underneath head, so I'll take it
off ball cam and i will aim for

929
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.960
the nearest motherfucker's game that I was
just screw with everybody. They can't have

930
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.119
the balls, yep, if you
can't. If you can't have the ball,

931
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.480
they can't either slide tackle. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just really surprised,

932
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:22.639
like, you know, how much
strategy goes, Like how deep this

933
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.400
game is it? Yeah? Yeah, I love a surprise hit of the

934
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.559
summer yeah, seriously, for sure, I had to get into it this

935
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.639
much. Yeah, absolutely, very
well placed, Yes for sure. Yeah,

936
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.440
nothing happening at that time. I
played a couple of things. I

937
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.119
am deep into until Dawn. Yeah
on the PlayStation four. I'm really interested.

938
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.480
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna throw it your way when I'm

939
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.920
done, because I want I want
to hear other people's I like, I

940
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:52.400
want to talk to other people about
how this game went for them, because

941
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:57.559
they're like multiple paths, multiple directions, multiple endings. There's so many different

942
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.400
ways that you can get it's crazy. Like I am continually overwhelmed by how

943
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.639
many things seemed to be changing or
can change based on the stuff I'm doing

944
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.960
and the things I'm finding and like
choices I'm making, and like it seems

945
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.800
overwhelming the number of like variables and
possibilities. Yeah. One of the key

946
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.760
terms that they use then that it's
called the butterfly effects. Yeah, so

947
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.920
like it's a little those like the
butterfly effect system, right, but I

948
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.239
think it's the like kind of indicative
is that you know, you can actually

949
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.199
have an impact in your choices.
So some So we ran the Quicklick today

950
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.000
and I was looking at some of
the comments, and people were saying,

951
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.239
like that moment toward the end where
I barely saved myself with that baseball bat,

952
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.599
like they were saying that I wouldn't
have had that option, like the

953
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.800
prompt wouldn't have popped up if I
hadn't found it a couple of chapters before.

954
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:38.159
Remember when I said, like,
yeah, I walked up to it

955
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.239
and picked it up, and it
was just a goofy little like like oh,

956
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:44.440
she was like threatening her friend with
the bat or whatever. But by

957
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.440
doing that little moment two or three
chapters previously, that's what allowed me to

958
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.519
access it later on. So it
didn't that you know when that happened,

959
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:52.639
when you kind of you know,
you were messing around with that bat,

960
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.000
did it stand out to you like
did they have like a little butterfly there

961
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:00.400
was? Well I can't remember if
it pop that because they want it to

962
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.880
be complete so subtle. Yeah,
I don't. I should have gone into

963
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.039
the options to see if you could
turn that butterfly off like they do the

964
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.480
telltale thing in this game of like
popping up like there's a symbol that possible

965
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.400
will remember yeah, like yes,
exactly, like you just did something that'll

966
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:15.079
change something later. By the way, if people don't know, this is

967
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:22.679
a PS four Oh yeah, heavy
heavy rain style, yes, heavy flick,

968
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.320
yes, this is this is heavy
rain. This is basically heavy Rain

969
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:29.079
meets Friday the thirteenth. Yeah,
Like it's it's that style of game.

970
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.400
It's very much hands off adventure gamey
with quick time events. And this was

971
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.840
originally coming to PS three or did
it come No, no, no,

972
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.000
no, no, they have they
announced it. I went back and looked

973
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.039
at old footage. Actually they announced
it for PS three as a move game.

974
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:43.440
It wasn't the first person back then. I don't remember. I'm not

975
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.559
sure that's very possible first person.
And there are definitely still some remnants of

976
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.480
move style controls in this, like
the thing where you have to hold your

977
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:52.719
controller perfectly still, yeah, to
not get noticed and stuff. That was

978
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.760
pretty cool. That was cool.
Yeah, But they handled smartly, like

979
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.320
the quick time events are used well, like it is as interactive as it

980
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.320
needs to be, like it's you're
you're here for the story to like watch

981
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.320
it seemed like a college heavy rain
combat sequences. I guess you know where

982
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.760
you know. It was a cute
event you would have to like hold the

983
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.440
button, but you'd have to aim
at something occasionally, you'll have to aim

984
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.559
a radical at a thing in a
very short period of time and stuff like

985
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.800
that. But yeah, it seems
to be handled really well. Yeah,

986
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:22.960
but it's very much a chooser in
adventure. Uh of just you know,

987
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:27.840
dumb ass twenty year old getting drunk
in the woods and then getting solved by

988
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.559
a man killer. Yeah. Really
good face models. Yeah, but yeah

989
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.599
they're all they're all modeled after the
actors, like Peter Storm are is in

990
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:42.719
it, Hayden Pantasiery, yes about
her. People actually in the comments were

991
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.960
recognizing, like there's a guy from
Agents of Shield in it, like they

992
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.880
had a bunch of others like kind
of that's very possible, Like it sounds

993
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:52.280
like yep, yep, it's him
playing Big Boss. Actually it's a weird

994
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:57.760
crossover, right, Yeah, it
sounds like most of the actors are known

995
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.519
to some degree in this. Yeah, there's somebody kind of a scare character,

996
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:05.159
like somebody from Shameless. Uh yeah
show on the showtime was it?

997
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.039
I think, yes, that's right
anyway, but she looks familiar, Yeah

998
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.960
it is, yeah, totally.
It didn't make the best first impression,

999
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.320
like it's there are parts of it
that are super awkward, like kind of

1000
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.519
the teen drama of romancey stuff at
the beginning is eye rolling, but not

1001
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.639
in the way you want it to
be, you know, like it's not

1002
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.639
actually just cheesy. It's more uncanny
valley like this isn't you're not really selling

1003
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:29.079
this very well, but it's still
it still grabs ahold of you, Like

1004
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:30.679
the deeper end you get, the
more you like. All the characters run

1005
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:35.239
together at first, but then you
start to actually kind of differentiate them.

1006
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:38.639
But yes, there is that there's
a lot of splitting up a poorly right

1007
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.400
one. One really weird thing that
I noticed is that there's like a relationship

1008
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:49.280
and almost like stat yeah that I
have to wonder how much of that stuff

1009
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.440
is actually meaningful, like links with
people. Yeah, Like basically all right,

1010
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.480
so like you play as the it's
eight kids in the woods or in

1011
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.119
this cabin, and you play as
all of them at different time. Time

1012
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.880
is dictated by the story and any
like whoever you're controlling. You can go

1013
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.639
to a status screen and you have
this huge list of character traits and like

1014
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:08.840
a bar for each other character in
the game, and like kind of what

1015
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:14.039
your relationship is with him and you
can actually sure likes you. Basically,

1016
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.880
is there one for the not for
the killer? Uh, I don't even

1017
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:20.320
know who the killer is? Like
apparently people have been saying like even the

1018
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.760
nature of who the killer is can
change less. How can that be a

1019
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:28.079
spoiler when like there is no true
answer to that, you know, like

1020
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.960
school, Like I suspect that even
the way the killer looks like he's in

1021
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:35.800
a disguise or a mask or whatever, but like the appearance of the killer

1022
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:40.320
I think was influenced by choices and
like answers I gave previously. Yeah,

1023
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:45.199
it's it's nuts. I would expect
the relationship thing to come into play when

1024
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.519
you're like there's two of you and
you're trying to like convince someone to go

1025
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:50.599
with you and then they're like,
noah, man, I'm not going to

1026
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:52.840
go with you. It could definitely
dictate like what kind of responses you have

1027
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.480
available to you or something like a
pivotal moment. But I mean, you're

1028
01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.039
never going to pop into that screen
and look at your bar and use that

1029
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.119
as a no. But it's nice
you know that that stuff's being consideration.

1030
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:05.400
It seems like it is being tracked
there for sure, and yeah, like

1031
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:09.440
a character that she didn't die,
but when playing at home, she got

1032
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:12.760
caught by the killer at the end
of a chapter and then we readd that

1033
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:15.039
on the quick look, and like
I assumed, I assumed that had to

1034
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:16.920
be written into the story, and
it's like, yeah, of course,

1035
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:20.960
no matter what I do here,
she's screwed. Yeah, that was one

1036
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:22.159
of my biggest grapes I think in
like heavy rain, right, like the

1037
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.360
illusion of choice. That's like,
you know, sure, you've got all

1038
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.599
of these choices up until this point, but you know at the end of

1039
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.079
the cut scene, as it were
still the same, they're all going to

1040
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.519
loop back around to the same inevitability, right, And yeah, we did

1041
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:35.280
see a little bit of that,
and yeah, look, but there there

1042
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.559
were enough where I don't know,
there were as many instances where it was

1043
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:42.159
completely different, right, Like yeah, like I totally got her safely out

1044
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.960
of that encounter at the end of
that chapter. And like with that save

1045
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.239
file, which is on USB stick
somewhere, and I would kind of like

1046
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:49.679
to load it back up later and
see what it does, Like she's still

1047
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:52.480
free and kind of on the run, as opposed to my main save where

1048
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:58.960
she's being held captive. People.
People were saying in the quick look comments

1049
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.159
that it is possible, like there
is such a thing as like a perfect

1050
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:05.840
play through that game and you can
actually save everybody ever really, which seems

1051
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.440
insane because I am nowhere close to
that. You have to get your glactic

1052
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.320
readiness up. Well, I guess
I should be download the Companion appen.

1053
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.719
Yeah, putt a few dollars into
that thing's a little bit. Yeah,

1054
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.920
it goes like it takes a couple
of chapters to really get going, but

1055
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:27.360
then it just fucking gets grim and
grows and gnarly, and people are dying

1056
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.360
like crazy, Like they're dropping like
flies in my game now, like half

1057
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:34.639
of them are dead already and the
other half are in questionable predicaments? Are

1058
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.400
they quality? Gory kills? Pretty
bad? Alright? That one you saw

1059
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.239
in the video, well you didn't
see the full thing. It was a

1060
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:44.079
little flashback to it, but it's
it's pretty graphic. I like a little

1061
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.119
camp in my horse. There's there's
there. Yeah, but yeah, I

1062
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:51.239
don't like the sauce stuff so much. It's not I've never seen any of

1063
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.199
the saw stuff, but like it
doesn't it doesn't revel in the like pain

1064
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.400
and suffering so much. Like there's
definitely a lot of like viscera. You

1065
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:00.320
know, it's like, oh wow, that's really totally that guy's guts out

1066
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.320
cool. But they don't dwell on
it, you know. It seems it

1067
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.000
seems like just enough. Yeah,
it seems like it's yeah, borrowing a

1068
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:11.239
couple different tones from different horror movie. It's it's it's almost quite sure where

1069
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:15.599
it's it's mostly just schlocky teen horror. Like I'm all for that. How

1070
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:17.039
dare your kids go have sex in
the woods? You're gonna die? All

1071
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:19.400
type stuff. That's the best I
think I said it on the quick.

1072
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:24.119
Look, it's like I've raised my
son, like I told them about not

1073
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.800
the birds and the bees, but
it's like premarital sex, drinking underage,

1074
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:30.960
it's gonna get your ass killed by
a slasher. Yeah, we watched Halloween

1075
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.400
when he was like a fifteen or
sixteen guy and the hockey mask and or

1076
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.239
a red and green sweater is gonna
show up. This is this is what's

1077
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:42.880
gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah,
that game is is really fascinating and I

1078
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.079
can't wait to hear how other people's
playthroughs play out, and like kind of

1079
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.239
like the super cut of all the
things that can happen in a YouTube video

1080
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:55.000
or whatever's gonna be really interesting to
see. Yeah, it's it seems like

1081
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.119
a reasonable length, Like it seems
like it's eight or ten hours for one

1082
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:00.559
playthrough, for just one play through. It seems that way. Yeah,

1083
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:02.760
but it seem like the sort of
thing that you would think about playing a

1084
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.840
second thing. I absolutely I'm gonna
let Jason play through it after me,

1085
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:09.599
but I would totally like to mess
with it some more after that and like

1086
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.360
try some stuff because yeah, like
just or or again, just go online

1087
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.199
and like look at a bunch of
the different possible outcomes because so many things

1088
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.159
can change. I like to break
those games like as much as at least.

1089
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.000
Yeah, like you kind of you
kind of want to see what makes

1090
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.119
them tick, right and like what
what kind of things can happen? Uh,

1091
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.760
So it's it's really interesting for for
that reason. And then no one

1092
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.599
else. Uh if you guys play
any volume, no, I have no,

1093
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.920
no nobody do you know what it
is? It's an overhead stealth game.

1094
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.559
Yeah, I just told you what
it is. Kind of it kind

1095
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.239
of feels like a throwback in some
ways, you know, like to like

1096
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.440
the perspective is basically mat of your
solid one, right, you know it's

1097
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.480
it's that. Yeah, that's my
understanding is that that's all very deliberate.

1098
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:53.920
I have to imagine that was although
it doesn't quite go all the way,

1099
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.320
like when you lean up against the
wall, it doesn't swing the camera down

1100
01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:59.920
to see around the wall, be
smuggling cigarettes in your stomach. After I've

1101
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.239
seen so far, it's got a
it's got a super it's got a super

1102
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:08.320
clean like VR ish kind of esthetic
to it. It's a VR mission.

1103
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.239
It kind of is it basically looks
out Yeah, like it. You're you're

1104
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.039
literally running simulations every time you do
a mission, uh, and like it.

1105
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.159
It almost has like a PlayStation one
kind of vibe to it in terms

1106
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.079
of like it's got a flat shaded
kind of looked to it. You know,

1107
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:26.440
everything's a lot of primary colors or
just flat colors rather like the polygons

1108
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:29.360
all kind of fly in and form
the level when you start a level,

1109
01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.320
Like it's just got like a mid
nineties sensibility in some in some sense cool.

1110
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.920
Yeah, I intend to play it. I just haven't gotten around to

1111
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.079
it, uh, and it's you
know, it's got kind of all the

1112
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:43.760
standard like overhead stealth puzzle, tropes
of vision cones and like kind of sound

1113
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.280
RADII, you know, like you
make a sound, you see how far

1114
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.599
it goes and who can hear it
and stuff like that. There's like gadgets

1115
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:51.440
to pick up and throw and do
different stuff with. I haven't gotten I'm

1116
01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:55.000
about a like a tenth of the
way through. There's like one hundred story

1117
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.800
levels. So what is it called
volume? I mean there's a story to

1118
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.360
it, Like I believe when I've
picked up so far, a volume is

1119
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:05.480
an AI in this world like you're
you're you're in a computer, not exactly

1120
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:12.119
kind of you're you're in You're in
future dystopian England. And it seems like

1121
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.320
nineteen eighty four has come to pass
or something like where does arsenal gear figure

1122
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.440
into this? Oh, I haven't
gotten that far yet. I'll tell you

1123
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:21.079
when I get strut. A big
shell is just them trying to re enact

1124
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:27.320
the events of So I haven't pulled
this up yet, but it has a

1125
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.639
level editor and somebody already made the
first area, the dock of metal gar

1126
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.840
Solid, which I have to assume
is basically the Super Mario Brothers one one

1127
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:39.760
of this genre now so as someone
made one one in volume Okay, yes

1128
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:43.159
that that is yet to come,
sure, but any combat at all,

1129
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.000
I there's there are trophies for like
stunning enemies. I haven't gotten to that

1130
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.599
point yet, but it seems like
you'll be able to knock them out temporarily.

1131
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:54.599
But it's neat. I like it. If you're into like stealth as

1132
01:07:54.679 --> 01:08:00.559
puzzle game type stuff. It's not
less they're like completely fucking wacky metal gear.

1133
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:02.239
I don't really, I mean,
this is very much more about puzzling

1134
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.360
your way through the you know,
like there are part times on all the

1135
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.119
levels. It's that kind of is
the sort of thing where like, if

1136
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:11.119
you really liked the VR missions and
metal gear, this is gonna be like

1137
01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:15.480
ideal for you. That seems like
from what I can recollect about the VR

1138
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.159
missions, Yes, like those were
just about the stealth, right, Yeah,

1139
01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:23.000
pretty much. Can you equip an
M sixty so far? Can you

1140
01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:27.760
take creepy pictures of a radio operator? I hope? So what happens if

1141
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.840
you plug a US your controller into
the other USB port? I don't know,

1142
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.119
I'm too busy throwing magazines all over
the floor. Let's try that,

1143
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:39.000
but I'll give it a shot.
Yeah, that game is neat. Does

1144
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:42.359
it come up and talk about other
apps you have installed yet? That would

1145
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.000
be pretty good though, So I
don't know. And the more I think

1146
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.439
about it, the more I think, like, hey, you know what

1147
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:51.760
I actually didn't like the VR missions
is like not really about the game play.

1148
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:57.239
I enjoyed the stealth in the first
JS and this kind of scratches that

1149
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.720
itch. Yeah, yeah, uh, that's kind of all I've been playing.

1150
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.640
Everybody's got anything else? If not, I've been I've been fooling around

1151
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.079
with Mario Maker. We'll have more
to say about yeah, better kind of

1152
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:13.840
down the road. We were kind
of intentionally not approaching that yet because like,

1153
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:15.439
you still can't quite talk about everything, right, It's I can,

1154
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.279
yeah exactly. It's it's kind of
in a in a preview mode, so

1155
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:25.359
let me preview things without giving you
my impressions of if they're good or not.

1156
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.359
Is that like it's a it's a
weird situation. Is that different from

1157
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:30.960
what's going to be the case with
the retail release where things are gonna unlock

1158
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:36.039
over time? No things a time
in this simulating that for you now,

1159
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:42.680
No, I simulated it by adjusting
the clock. Yeah, for nine days

1160
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:45.439
of fake time, you ran all
of the stuff you ran the SSS I

1161
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.520
did, yeah, and uh yeah
no, I unlocked kind of the five

1162
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:53.920
rows of tools and made them on
made some levels and fooled around. We

1163
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.159
played a bit of it on UPF. We've got a quick look in the

1164
01:09:56.239 --> 01:09:59.760
can that actually, because of what's
in it, it can't run until the

1165
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.079
game is on shells, so reviews
will hit before that. But the video

1166
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:09.199
restrictions still apply for some stuff.
Classic Into No Embargo, right, Yeah,

1167
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:13.720
it's just like all right sure,
uh so, yeah, it's it's

1168
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.119
there are a lot of really neat
things in that game, and I am

1169
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:21.840
I am enjoying my time with it. Yeah, it seems exceptionally well made.

1170
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:25.600
More about it and such, but
but yeah, the stuff you should

1171
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:29.399
on UPF. It seems like it's
got that Classic Into no attention to detailed

1172
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:34.239
kind of just user interface like super
intuitive, yeah, supernatural to look at

1173
01:10:34.279 --> 01:10:38.000
and like immediately understand how everything's put
together. I don't want, I don't

1174
01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:42.760
want to tell you what I think
about it. Yeah, but I'm looking

1175
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:48.960
forward to playing some more an entirely
objective approach both. Yeah, I would

1176
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.560
like to make some more stuff.
And you know, I'm at this point

1177
01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:57.680
like the version I'm playing will not
be those levels will not live past September

1178
01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:01.840
elevenths so, but there's a bunch
of nintended created stuff that I'm sure that

1179
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.600
there will be available. Yeah.
So so basically, like I want to,

1180
01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.159
I'm just kind of fooling around with
the tools to get a good handle

1181
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.079
on them, and then you know, when when the game is out for

1182
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.840
real, z's that's when I want
to start to really try to make some

1183
01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:16.079
stuff and upload it and see if
people like it. I'm just curious.

1184
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:20.239
I wonder what types of levels will
do well. Yeah in that environment.

1185
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:23.640
If it's just gonna be like gimmicky, weird stuff, or it's gonna be

1186
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:27.359
like, hey, this level is
a lot like a regular like this would

1187
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.520
fit in a real Super Mario Brothers
game, like if if you could,

1188
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.640
if if people would respond to that
or not, I don't know. I

1189
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.399
have to imagine it's going to be
just a flood of pretty basic stuff for

1190
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:41.840
the first week or two that are
just like impossibly hard or auto scrolling,

1191
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:45.399
auto playing levels, But I want
to see stuff like six months after release.

1192
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.000
Yeah, you know, like when
only the most dedicated people have stuck

1193
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.920
around. Like what kind of insane
masterpieces are people going to come up with?

1194
01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:56.039
Yeah? Like, do you feel
like, do you feel like the

1195
01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.279
tools are there to break the Mario
mold? Yeah? Well could you make

1196
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.439
things that are This is a hard
question to ask because I don't even know

1197
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:08.800
what the answer to this question would
be. You will always control like Mario.

1198
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.199
Yeah, you know you're not gonna
make a cart racing game, and

1199
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.680
here you're gonna you know, you
know, you're not gonna make a shooter.

1200
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.119
It doesn't have that level of well, yeah, you can kind of

1201
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:19.560
make a shooter r but it doesn't
have like that level of fucking with the

1202
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:24.199
gameplay itself. It's really just it's
a tile based editor. You drop in

1203
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:29.359
items from the Mario universe. You
can interact with them and adjust them in

1204
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.399
ways that you couldn't do in the
original games, and that creates some really

1205
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:38.840
interesting opportunities for doing things that have
never been seen in a previous Mario.

1206
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.119
Sure. Yeah, yeah, you
know, obviously it's not a little big

1207
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:44.239
planet. People aren't going to be
making geometry wars in there and stuff like

1208
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:46.560
that. Right, But but also
the platforming is top fucking not because it

1209
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.359
plays like Mario games, you know, So it's like it's it's a that's

1210
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:51.319
a pretty fair trade. I think, Oh yeah, no, I'm not

1211
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:55.039
saying that's a knock against it.
I just I just I can't wait to

1212
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:57.800
see how out there some of the
stuff gets. Yeah, definitely what kind

1213
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:00.960
of really surprising things people turn out, because because you know they will,

1214
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:04.439
even just watching you, Jeff,
make you know, some rudimentary levels like

1215
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:10.359
it, or play ones that I
guess other people had made, or even

1216
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:14.880
the Nintendo ones like it. It
made me have a lot more respect for

1217
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:19.199
the design of the older Mario games, Like I think I took for granted

1218
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.720
a lot of like what was really
smart about those levels because it's very very

1219
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:29.159
easy to make a lame level or
one that like like you start to once

1220
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:32.560
you start building your own level,
you start to see the uh, the

1221
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:36.399
sentiments that the Mario designers it's had
for their life. It's the thing,

1222
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:43.079
like the rules set there they had, don't put something in every single block.

1223
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.520
That's the thing that level creators will
have to learn at some point if

1224
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.600
they want to make things that like
reflect original Super Mario Brothers, because the

1225
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:51.960
tendency is like, well, I'm
just gonna put coins in everything, Like

1226
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:58.119
no, no, don't you want
people to like hunt around for stuff blocks

1227
01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:01.640
you don't play exactly. So yeah, like like learning when to ease off

1228
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.079
the pedal and not just be like, oh, let's throw in more turtles,

1229
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.479
like you know, just you need
to have some restraint, yes,

1230
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.640
uh, And and that I think
will be the important thing. Right now,

1231
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.199
people are just you know, the
reviewers and stuff that I have,

1232
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.199
people that have access to whatever this
version is are just going fucking crazy and

1233
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:20.159
just feeling the levels full of all
kinds of shit and like some of them

1234
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.640
are really hard, some of them
are super easy, but like flashy.

1235
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:27.840
I want to see like that actual
like like try to make real ones.

1236
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:30.479
Try think those have some merit,
Like those will be fun for a little

1237
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:32.800
bit. But I think Brad's right, like six months down the road,

1238
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.079
people are going to tire of those
things and what will be left will be

1239
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:41.159
the wheat. Yeah, I think
so we'll see it's reviewers are talentless fucking

1240
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:45.399
hacks. No, they're not game
designers. That's when we'll the first true

1241
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:49.920
Mario Artiste emerge. Do you think
that game changed in scope after E three?

1242
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:54.000
I don't know. Do you mean
this C three or the or last

1243
01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:58.359
one before when they first showed that
first little bit, and it's like a

1244
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.560
quarter of a game, right,
there's just an idea, that's right.

1245
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:02.840
You know, they didn't show that
much to the and the levels were super

1246
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:05.720
tiny. Yeah, and didn't They
didn't really have a firm handle the people

1247
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:09.720
answering questions, which of course why
would they. They didn't really have a

1248
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.439
firm handle on what the final project
was either. So it was this thing

1249
01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.119
where you just look at it like
this could be the most incredible thing ever,

1250
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:21.319
or it could be like the ultimate
heartbreaker Sad Factory where you get to

1251
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:26.159
make like half the marial level you'd
like to make. Be pretty down with

1252
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.359
the sad factories. Yeah, I'm
a worker. That's that's my level.

1253
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:33.039
That's my level, Sad Factory.
I'm glad that thing seems cool. I

1254
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:38.159
mean, not the you know,
I mean that's just my assumption. It's

1255
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:42.479
not like you haven't you didn't render
any opinion whatsoever. But I saw it's

1256
01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.119
also amazing just by how like intuitive
and like fun. The interface is for

1257
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.920
making stuff, yeah, like the
whole like shake to modify and stuff like

1258
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:51.479
that. Just simple little nintendoses like
the sound effects. You know, when

1259
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.439
you're drawing in stuff, it'll say
in like this weird robotic voice, what

1260
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.800
you're drawing in or what you're bringing
in. Its little stuff like that.

1261
01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.880
Yeah, really charming, lots of
attention to details stuff. They produced that

1262
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:09.720
product in a Nintendo likeway, Yes
they did. I'm good on them all

1263
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.600
right, video games they're still pretty
cool with video games discussed. Now it's

1264
01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.359
time to talk about news about video
games. Now it's time to get into

1265
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:25.399
video game disgust news about video games. No, here are the headlines.

1266
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.800
You've got some good news for a
change, you know, I'm not that

1267
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.760
doesn't sound encouraging. The first story
is the first story about is about Nintendo,

1268
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:36.640
and iust I am. Let me
tell you why I'm barred by the

1269
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:41.760
terms of the embargo from expressing an
opinion on this. Next fantastic about Nintendo.

1270
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.239
Uh, let's let's continue to do
the NX speculation dance. Okay,

1271
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:49.920
Uh, they filed a patent.
I guess they filed It looks like back

1272
01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:56.079
in February. But they just came
to light this past week for a device

1273
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:00.720
or console without an optical drive,
so like a Super Nintendo, like a

1274
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.640
three D S. Yeah, yes, it just is just a Super Nintendo.

1275
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:09.720
Liken you. They're putting it back
out finally next year. It's the

1276
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:15.119
it's the the updated console RF only, yes, or composite only or whatever

1277
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:18.520
they stripped out of that thing.
The second topic of the second SNASS apparently

1278
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:26.399
like yeah, and didn't take that
custom like multi out thing or whatever.

1279
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:30.159
Doing that fucking sucks. Yeah,
that's terrible. I don't know what the

1280
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:32.960
because it was they were making it
cheaper. There was no s video option

1281
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:36.880
on that first SNSs was there because
it used a custom It was a customed

1282
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:41.279
Nintendo connector right yeah, if you
could, you could get some like SKRT

1283
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.159
type right right, yeah, go
on with that scart maybe if you live

1284
01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.039
in Europe and are a crazy person, which if you live in Europe,

1285
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:55.479
chances obviously scart. It's fun to
say it is in kind of a sneering

1286
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:59.119
way. Start does that how it's
supposed to be pronounced? I was,

1287
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:01.640
I don't know, I don't know, like video get Danny up here.

1288
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:05.159
It's cool looking cable. Yes would
yeah, total, that's frightening. So

1289
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:09.479
you know, who's to say what
this thing is if it's actually the NX,

1290
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.479
if it's just a random pattern.
The third filing just in case,

1291
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.880
who can say it does have some
kind of memory card slot on it.

1292
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:19.760
It's got like a block diagram of
how this unit would theoretically work with.

1293
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.319
You know, here's a processor,
here's a processor, and then here's some

1294
01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:26.880
kind of memory card. The two
game programs on it, two huh,

1295
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:30.279
but one could be OS level stuff. It's it's you know, you read

1296
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:33.079
through kind of the separate points of
the pattern. And what if one was

1297
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:38.239
the mobile game and one was the
TV game? What if one was a

1298
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:40.880
game that you'd play on the handheld
version of this device? That's what I

1299
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.479
mean. Yeah, okay when you
say when you say mobile, okay,

1300
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:45.880
phones every time I should watch my
language. Yeah, the portable, Yes,

1301
01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:49.720
if one was the portable version of
a game and handheld even yes,

1302
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.520
the handheld and then the other version
phones are indeed both portable and handheld.

1303
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:58.199
That is, those words do not
mean the same as mobile. And a

1304
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:02.319
third one is your UMD version of
Triple X. Oh yeah, every game

1305
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.520
will ship with that and preinstalled.
Yeah, just in case, because you

1306
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:10.840
never want to be without it.
Yeah, you know, I don't know

1307
01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:14.760
not much else to say about this
thing until or news comes out like this

1308
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.279
could amount to nothing, Yeah it
is. Did you know just because you're

1309
01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:23.279
filing a patent for something doesn't mean
it's going to go into production. But

1310
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:26.479
uh, yeah, I guess.
I like the drive. I'm trying to

1311
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:28.439
figure out, like reading over it, Like I am no patent lawyer,

1312
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:31.000
but I'm trying to figure out,
like what actually differentiates this thing from every

1313
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:33.600
other product that exists that doesn't have
an optical drive, you know, like

1314
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:38.520
no optical drive is not enough to
go patent something, right, But their

1315
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:42.039
application seems to be around like,
yeah, there there's an internal hard drive

1316
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.720
for you know, storage of game
software and that sort of thing. They

1317
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:49.159
kind of talk a little bit about
a controller, uh maybe potentially having a

1318
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.800
display unit on it, I believe, and uh, it's got some other

1319
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:57.279
external connectors and it says you would
also be able to hook external storage up

1320
01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:01.399
to this thing. Yeah, or
like a Sony optical drive perhaps drive possible

1321
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:05.079
for your copy of Triple X.
I just had a great idea for a

1322
01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:10.960
patent. How about a toaster?
Wait, don't say it out loud without

1323
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:15.000
an optical drive. I'm in hmm, okay, we're gonna be millionaires.

1324
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.279
She might be onto something with that. Stupidest shit. Why would you ever

1325
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:23.640
who would buy a toaster with an
optical drive? How would I watch Triple

1326
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:28.840
X? It's a good point you're
making. Yeah, rip your blue ray?

1327
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:30.600
Okay, all right, rip it
to the twister? Which triple X?

1328
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:34.399
Were we talking here? The Diesel
State of the Union sequel? I

1329
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:38.520
mean there's multiple that's the one with
ice cube, right, and they just

1330
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:42.680
announced it actually just filed a patent
for a triple X without then Diesel.

1331
01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:45.479
Actually wow, by the way,
wow wow wow. So you know they're

1332
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:48.239
really throwing that it was wasn't an
ice cube? I believe it was ice

1333
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.319
Yes, it was. It was
ice cube. Star of Ghosts of Mars.

1334
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:55.920
Yeah, he didn't. He didn't
exactly get like cut for that role,

1335
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:59.479
Tod And are we there yet?
And are we there yet? Was

1336
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:05.159
that daddy dickcare? That's cute?
Is this Schwartzenegger? Isn't that's kindergarten cop?

1337
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:10.079
Okay? I have no idea?
All right? Is the world ready

1338
01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:15.319
for Yeah, like the consoles were
kind of moving in that direction last time

1339
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:16.479
and then pulled back. But I
think it's one of those things where like

1340
01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:23.000
the presence of uh a memory is
some kind of slot to do. It

1341
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.159
just says like memory card, which
you think of as like, you know,

1342
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:28.960
storage. But this could just be
a cartridge, right, So this

1343
01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.199
could just in fact be a cartridge
based system like it could It sounds like

1344
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:33.880
it could be a three DS that
hooks into a TV. Yeah, it

1345
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:38.520
sounds basically like the card type things
that go into a three DS, right,

1346
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:42.000
and so you know, but so
this this doesn't necessarily tell us too

1347
01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.399
much specific and in terms of specifics
about where they're going. This definitely doesn't

1348
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:48.880
doesn't necessarily mean that they're just going
to make a thing that doesn't take physical

1349
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:53.960
dip games like that where you couldn't
buy the games off a shelf exactly exactly.

1350
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:57.520
So this this could just be like
them moving to cartridges instead of you

1351
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.640
know, discs. Yeah, that's
still don't think we're anywhere near completely digital

1352
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:04.840
format. This generation is not really
panned out, like you know, they're

1353
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:09.640
definitely like, I have a healthy
digital libraries on both of these on all

1354
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:14.239
three of these consoles almost prefer managing
them on the WAU as a suck situation,

1355
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:15.600
sure, because I do not have
an external drive hooked up there.

1356
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.479
But when you think of so many
countries with data caps on their their internet,

1357
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:25.039
yeah it's not there. And speed
issues you know here in the US

1358
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:27.439
too, you know, it's just
it's not there. You know it's it's

1359
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:31.520
in many cases still like I have
some fast motherfucking internet, Sony does not.

1360
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:36.760
Yep, Microsoft has somewhat faster internet. Still there's this even though there's

1361
01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:41.319
an almost acceptable but even that's you
know who's got good Internet? I bet

1362
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:45.840
I know Gabe Newell. Yeah,
that motherfucker stab people to get the fastest

1363
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:47.680
internet in town. We went down
to the ESP and pulled a knife on.

1364
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:50.479
He was like, sure, we
got the fat pipe. Fucking make

1365
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:56.720
these downloads go for people who can
take them fast. You're you're not doing

1366
01:22:56.760 --> 01:23:00.239
people preload metal gear. But it's
not going to be a problem, right,

1367
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:01.840
And then he pulls the fucking blade
out and just like starts shining it

1368
01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:04.880
up a little bit. You're not
You're not wrong. Steam regularly maxes out

1369
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:11.079
my Internet connection. That shit is
no joke. Yes, faster than the

1370
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:15.720
hard drive can write it totally.
But yeah, but like Microsoft and Sony

1371
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:18.560
are still not providing a fast enough
service to the point where like it'd be

1372
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.000
faster for me to usually and in
some cases, even when the story is

1373
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:26.039
fucking closed and I have to wait
until morning, it would still be faster

1374
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.039
for me to go out and buy
a physical copy. Yeah, if you're

1375
01:23:28.039 --> 01:23:30.840
talking and it's coming down at a
crawl, yeah, like you're not playing.

1376
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:34.039
Like even I tried to download that
Black Ops three beta, which was

1377
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:41.680
only like twelve gigs, and that
thing took four hours on five that took

1378
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:44.640
overnight. Yeah, it was only
on PS four. That was an overnight

1379
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.399
in rest mode even you know,
after you talked about your ship downloads faster

1380
01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:51.159
and rest mode seam But I don't
know. I let it download with it

1381
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:56.560
on for a while. You're gonna
wrap a towel around. Yes, you

1382
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:00.239
also also turn down upside down?
Yeah, then then it should it up.

1383
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:01.600
Did you put the spring in the
disc drive? Well? I used

1384
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.399
a paper clip. Okay, all
right, but hopefully that works just as

1385
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:09.439
well. I don't know. I
just soldered an internet chip into mind so

1386
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:11.800
I don't have to deal with this
paper clip or any of this other stuff.

1387
01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:15.159
Yeah, put it, put a
blast processor in there. I put

1388
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.199
in the bleam disc. First it
out and then down. Everything downloads fast.

1389
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:20.760
I'll do it. Yeah, I
mean, you know, it removes

1390
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:25.399
the option of the digital purchase as
an impulse by you know, you can't

1391
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:27.680
just be like, I'm gonna buy
this and start playing it in ten minutes

1392
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.199
and all of their like, hey, it installed the bare minimum and now

1393
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:33.560
you can start playing. Is a
fucking bunch of horseship. Such a joke

1394
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:38.159
like Gears pops up and says you
can play at like eight percent or something

1395
01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:41.359
like that, But then you launch
it and it says you can prioritize single

1396
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:44.279
player or multiplayer here if you like, and little download in that order,

1397
01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:47.600
but you still can't actually play anything. Yep, the Isolation. Let me

1398
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:50.079
launch it, and it was not
ready to be launched. Yeah. Yeah.

1399
01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:55.960
That. There's plenty of games like
GT five on the new consoles is

1400
01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:00.359
the most extreme example of that because
it installs super quick or let's you launch

1401
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.279
super quick, but it's literally just
installing it installer, because as soon as

1402
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:06.479
you booted up, it has to
install the entire game before you can start

1403
01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:12.640
playing. Yeah, yeah, because
Destiny patches in game and out of the

1404
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.000
game, right, Destiny has to
be fully installed, like like so many

1405
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.960
developers have just straight up subverted that
system or or I kind of fulfilled the

1406
01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:21.199
letter of the law, but not
the spirit. But I wonder if,

1407
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:25.199
like it is even feasible, like
if that thing was just a pipe dream

1408
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:27.520
from the start its developer, you're
looking at it going like this is not

1409
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:30.640
reasonable for the type of game we're
making and the way we structure our data,

1410
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:33.960
So like, what why That's entirely
possible. That's probably right. It

1411
01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:36.560
could just be that this whole feature
was a non starter to begin with.

1412
01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:43.600
But that works great for Immortal Combat
X on the piece. Yeah, they

1413
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.000
really killed it on that one,
for sure. Killed a lot of things,

1414
01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:50.119
killed some people's dreams with that thing. Yeah. Uh, Internet should

1415
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:53.840
be faster across the board. That's
platform I can get behind. Whoa,

1416
01:25:54.079 --> 01:26:00.239
whoa, you're taking bold fucking stent
download speeds and no one's gonna watch what

1417
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:05.600
you're downloading. I'm gonna build a
wall around this Internet. I don't that

1418
01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:11.199
doesn't really work though, That's the
exact opposite. Yeah, Yeah, that's

1419
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:15.279
all I had I'm sorry. N
X will come out at some point whoa

1420
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.720
I know, like, just continue
the bold proclamation, and at some point

1421
01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:23.479
before it comes out we will know
the true nature of it. One year

1422
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.279
after release, we will see a
new skew, new colors. Okay,

1423
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.960
I'm calling it right. Okay,
at launch, they're gonna have spice orange.

1424
01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.880
Oh I hope so I that that
was the GameCube. Orange was a

1425
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.239
great orange. Yeah, yes,
that was good. It was. It

1426
01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:41.720
wasn't quite in retrospect, disappointed that
I was not able to acquire an orange

1427
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:44.359
game cube. Every time I looked
at that thing, I thought of Pumpkin

1428
01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:46.159
Pie, said, I don't even
like pumping Pie. I just like Orange.

1429
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:51.960
Sure reminded me of Fall. When
the new games come out, yeah,

1430
01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:58.359
put them in your pumpkin and play. Put it in the pumpkin game.

1431
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.600
Pumpkin there you go, Yeah,
like, why isn't that the commercial?

1432
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.560
It's Paul Rudd just shout and put
it in the pumpkin. And then

1433
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.399
the discs going the pumpkin. I
don't wants to get back on top.

1434
01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:09.159
Here it is. And then you're
playing Super Mario Sunshine and you turn to

1435
01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:11.520
Paul Rudd and go, why does
this game suck so much? And Paul

1436
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:16.600
Rodd goes man man, It's true, he is an man game. Pumpkin

1437
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:26.600
keeping with theme a fault go on
foods. Yeah, fruits, that pumpkin

1438
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:29.800
of fruit? What is that?
Yeah, it's got seeds. What is

1439
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.359
a fig? The Newton? It's
a it's a like a moth breeding or

1440
01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:40.640
breeding. I believe wasp guts,
and I assume a fig would also qualify

1441
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:43.399
as a fruit. I don't like
figs are great, not because I'm worried

1442
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.560
about fucking bugs fucking inside of figs, like I could share less. I

1443
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.479
enjoy figs, but I just don't
like not even a fig Newton. I

1444
01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:53.399
don't like pig Newtons. I think
they're nearly. I think they're they're they're

1445
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:56.560
heinous, they're honey. I like
the filling, just the the cookie outside

1446
01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.560
or the well to see whatever that
the cake man cake, fruit cake.

1447
01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:02.920
It's a weird texture from it.
Yeah, it's dry and chalky and it

1448
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.560
doesn't taste like anything. Yeah,
you're right, it does not help.

1449
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:10.359
I'll just eat some Plaine figs,
so do it? Jam a bunch of

1450
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:14.439
goat cheese inside him and rappo.
Yeah that sounds good. Yeah, that's

1451
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:17.680
crazy that None of that makes me
sense. Cheese, meat and fig That

1452
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:21.640
sounds delicious. Cheese, meat and
fruit. Cheese and fruit. I guess

1453
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.560
I could get cheese and meat.
You know, I understand that absolutely,

1454
01:28:26.600 --> 01:28:30.079
but all three. Come on,
it can be done, all right.

1455
01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:36.359
You know what else FIG is?
I'll tell you street in Los Angeles.

1456
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.520
Oh, yes, disgusting hotel.
Actually that's exactly what this thing is named

1457
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.399
after. That hotel is great fucking
is it? Yeah? Oh you didn't

1458
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:47.560
know. Oh I hate this way
more. Now this thing is totally named

1459
01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:53.479
after what. There's a new crowd
funding platform for video games and it is

1460
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:58.079
called FIG and it is named after
that hotel. What. That's what I

1461
01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:00.960
read in one of the new stories
about it's announced. They could have been

1462
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:05.760
blown smoke, but I assumed I
took them at their word. Go on,

1463
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.880
it's rather because there's so many weird
deals that go on. Is there

1464
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:14.399
two gs? No, it's just
just Capital FIG, I believe, not

1465
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:24.079
Figgler, No, YESLR Figgler Friday. Uh. I still haven't quite understood

1466
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:30.159
the ownership here, but a number
of prominent UH video game illuminaries are involved

1467
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.880
with this thing. On the board
of advisors. Tim Schaefer is involved,

1468
01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:41.800
Fergus Urkhart Erhart think of Obsidian,
Brian Fargo from in Exile. They've got

1469
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.520
some some it sounds like some proper
venture capital behind this thing. But it's

1470
01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:48.000
a new crowdfunding platform for games.
Uh, then the big, the big

1471
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:54.600
differentiator is there? Yeah? Yes, indeed he of the trailblazing Kickstart.

1472
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:57.479
And then this is like the CEO
of the actual like guy running this is

1473
01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.600
Justin Bailey who was Double Finds head
of bis dev. I think really he

1474
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:03.079
is. Seems like he is left
all the fund and is now running this

1475
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:06.399
thing. He's also a really cool
code and Metroid Yeah yeah, that's how

1476
01:30:06.439 --> 01:30:10.079
committed he is to this thing.
Wow, his name is that code.

1477
01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:15.960
They're only gonna crowdfund Metroid style games? Is it strictly video game funding?

1478
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:17.359
That seems to be the case so
far. They only they launched with a

1479
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.279
project, and so far it's the
only project they've got. Also, that

1480
01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:26.119
project is run by Hero from or
wasn't his name Hero from Heroes? Oh?

1481
01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:31.239
Yeah, yeah he is. He
is. Yes, that guy,

1482
01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:34.920
his his game or a game that
he has involved with at least, I

1483
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:40.119
should say, is their first project. The big differentiator here is that they

1484
01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:44.960
are looking to get actual investors investing
in these projects, and in addition to

1485
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:47.680
kind of the standard kickstarter back type, Yeah, you can still back things

1486
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:53.199
that are relatively low buy in and
in that case it's backing is still effectively

1487
01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:56.239
donating. You know, you're pitching
in money assuming you'll get a game,

1488
01:30:56.319 --> 01:31:00.039
but it's not necessarily investors are investors. But yes, the investors, so

1489
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:02.319
you're using that word. Yes,
you're literally investing. You are expecting a

1490
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.680
reprect interesting for your money. Yeah. I mean a lot of kick centers

1491
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:10.439
nowadays have a lot of investment,
but they're still try and see pad it

1492
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:15.840
out or get more in there.
They're they're mitigating and getting crowd interests there,

1493
01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:19.760
but they're still trying to appeal to
like individual investors, not necessarily fun

1494
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:24.520
like people. I'm sure they wouldn't
turn down a larger investment from a firm

1495
01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:27.840
or something like that, but if
the terms all made sense, But yeah,

1496
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:30.680
it seems like that they are trying
to use what the sec I guess

1497
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:35.239
refers to as accredited investors. Yeah, and the rules around some of the

1498
01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:40.000
stuffs have changed relatively recently to to
kind of enable this sort of thing.

1499
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:43.479
But it's like, you know,
individual people that have a net worth over

1500
01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:47.439
a certain number or have a certain
amount of money coming in every year can

1501
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:53.640
file to become accredited investor and at
that point they can invest in this project

1502
01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.399
and get a return. But the
minimum you have to put into this project

1503
01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.279
in order to become that is also
like it's a thousand dollars. Yeah,

1504
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:03.279
so it's not cheap. So you
can't go in and go like, hey,

1505
01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:06.039
I've made that much money last year, I'm gonna put twenty bucks into

1506
01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:09.840
this thing and see three pennies in
five years. You know, like it's

1507
01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:14.439
it's sort of you have to put
in something that approaches a real amount of

1508
01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:17.560
money. Yes, it sounds like
looking at the story that Austin wrote that

1509
01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:26.079
the sec UH has approved a new
sort of investment opportunity that might relax some

1510
01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:29.359
of these requirements, it seems like
they're head in that direction, which seems

1511
01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:31.760
like potentially super dangerous. But you
know, like people should be able to

1512
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:33.680
spend their money how they want,
right, you know, so so sure,

1513
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.520
but none of that stuff has It
seems like none of that stuff has

1514
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.000
cool as to the point that anybody
can just go and put in money and

1515
01:32:40.039 --> 01:32:43.920
expect a return. Yet yeah,
but these people who are especially accredited and

1516
01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:47.239
with a thousand dollars or more can
currently yes. Although here I'll read this

1517
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:49.880
from from Austin's story. He did
like a kind of a little folk Q

1518
01:32:50.039 --> 01:32:54.239
and A to answer some of the
weirder questions about this thing. But this

1519
01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:58.079
is probably the most interesting part to
me. What are investors on fig actually

1520
01:32:58.119 --> 01:33:00.199
investing in the game the developer?
These are Austin's words, Like I said,

1521
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:04.479
neither figs help page notes that investors
will own an interest in a share

1522
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:10.079
of the game's sales. FIG sets
up a specific limited liability company which investors

1523
01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:15.720
will hold an interest in per game
to accomplish this. So, you know,

1524
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.520
meaning if it's new property, you're
not owning a piece of the IP.

1525
01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.479
You know, you don't have you
don't own a part of the developer,

1526
01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.159
right, you don't own a part
of the developer. You don't have

1527
01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:28.039
necessarily any real say in like creative
decisions that they make, or you can't

1528
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:30.920
make demands of their direction. You
know, like you're sitting at a board

1529
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:35.600
saying, even even if you own
this LLC, you would still be kind

1530
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:39.319
of at arm's length. It's not
that's that's very much what it sounds like,

1531
01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:42.920
like you are, you're buying into
the profits from the game, not

1532
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:45.920
necessarily the game itself, but they
are still to be able to that money

1533
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.600
to you know, invest in the
actual development of the game. Right.

1534
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:53.880
That seems to be the case.
So it's a weird thing, like it's

1535
01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:57.760
very bridging two very different worlds.
Yeah, it seems like. Yeah,

1536
01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:03.520
and obviously it's got a long ways
to go as these sec things. I

1537
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:08.359
wonder if there's like actual genuine I
mean, I guess like that's that sweetens

1538
01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:13.000
about. You know, you've definitely
had some people that have backed kickstarters for

1539
01:34:13.119 --> 01:34:15.560
a whole lot of money before,
you know, just people that have that

1540
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:16.720
kind of money and they just you
know, they want to see something come

1541
01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.000
to fruition. Maybe they would be
a little more likely to do so if

1542
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:24.279
it actually was kind of an investment. And I wonder if at some point,

1543
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:26.359
if it's a tax right off,
if like, hey, this game

1544
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:30.119
made no money back, so you
lost all that money, I wonder if

1545
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.920
that becomes I wonder if you can
do something with that from a tax perspective,

1546
01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:36.279
Right, I don't know, like, wasn't there wasn't there that moment

1547
01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:41.079
that not like famously tweeted to Tim
Schaffer about doing Psychonauts two or something like

1548
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:43.079
that. It's just like, let's
make it happen or something like that.

1549
01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.960
Like who knows if this could lead
to more things like that? Sure,

1550
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.720
uh, but yeah, maybe maybe
it loosens the first strings for some of

1551
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:54.680
these you know, higher money people
that would you know, normally just get

1552
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.239
like some dumb reward on Kickstarter,
like, Oh, I got to have

1553
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.880
dinner with the team. That's great, but I don't right there, I

1554
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:02.560
got to do a voice in the
game, right, Yeah, Like maybe

1555
01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:05.600
this is something a little more meaningful
that that maybe gets some of those people

1556
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:09.520
on board, Yeah, a little
more frequently, I guess. Yeah,

1557
01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:12.039
I don't know what the Yeah,
maybe some of some of those people that

1558
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:15.399
have that money to invest aren't necessarily
like hooked into the video game world as

1559
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:17.600
sure as closely as they could be. And how how much of a pain

1560
01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:21.399
in the ass is it to like
deal with contract negotiations like what percentage do

1561
01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:26.079
you get, you know, when
you invest? If it's already if this

1562
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:30.079
thing is acting as a middleman for
that, I wonder if the game developers

1563
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:35.199
would be more beholden to actually produce
something. I don't know, Like from

1564
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:38.680
from that little snippet I read,
it sounds like it seems like it'd be

1565
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:43.239
harder to take the money and run
oh as a developers. Yeah, yeah,

1566
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:46.720
definitely. I mean they're setting up
this specific middleman company, this specific

1567
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:54.239
limited liability corporation to limit the developer's
liability if something goes wrong. So,

1568
01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:58.479
I mean they're they're doing that to
protect the developer from a lot of different

1569
01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.439
things, like maybe there's some kind
of recourse you would have if a developer

1570
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:05.079
just straight up skated. And they're
not letting anyone sign up for this.

1571
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:09.760
This is they're just just anyone come
in and launch a project. They they

1572
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:14.319
say that their board of advisors will
look over the projects and only approve those

1573
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:16.840
ones that they deem fit. I
guess. So it kind of depends on,

1574
01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:20.079
right, it sort of depends on
how good that team is, I

1575
01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:23.640
guess, and all that sort of
stuff. You'd like to think that they

1576
01:36:23.720 --> 01:36:27.960
would do their due diligence and not
pick projects that'll just totally go sideways.

1577
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.239
Yeah, I imagine, you know, fig get some cut Oh sure,

1578
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:35.239
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I
would, Yeah, sure, I'm sure

1579
01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:41.319
this isn't for nothing here. Yeah. Some of the stuff almost reminds me

1580
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:44.760
a little bit of the way that
like, smaller movies are financed these days.

1581
01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:45.680
And if you guys pay attention to
that stuff at all, what is

1582
01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:49.159
that I cannot remember the name of
that Alec Baldwin documentary. That's that HBO

1583
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:53.880
did m they know, God damn, it is killing me. The name

1584
01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.439
is is something weird and it's not
coming to mind you if you have to

1585
01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.000
do, if you have HBO,
go you can find it pretty easily.

1586
01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:01.840
He's in the thumbnail. It's it's
Alec Baldwin and a director whose name is

1587
01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:03.960
also escaping me right now. But
they go to I believe that they go

1588
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:09.359
to con like the film Festival.
Maybe it's Sundance anyway. The point is,

1589
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.800
like getting a smaller movie finance these
days as a whole lot of meeting

1590
01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:16.880
with like heavily moneyed individuals. Not
necessarily you're not necessarily talking just a studio,

1591
01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:20.359
as you're talking to individual wealthy people
who want to put money into things,

1592
01:37:21.239 --> 01:37:24.520
creative things. They want to say, I'm a producer, you know,

1593
01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.680
right exactly, you know and in
this case, there's a bunch of

1594
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.960
weird shit because as soon as like
they're they're hat in hand trying to get

1595
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:34.119
say, five million dollars out of
this guy from Saudi Arabia for their movie.

1596
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:38.039
But but he has a bunch of
ideas about who he thinks the female

1597
01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.760
lead in the movie should be,
so like in that case, it's a

1598
01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.720
weird barter of like, well,
maybe we'll think about casting that person if

1599
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:45.319
we get your money type stuff.
But anyway, that the point is this

1600
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:49.960
seems like this could maybe be a
gateway for more private investors like that to

1601
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:54.760
get into game development as opposed to
having to ink just deals. Yeah,

1602
01:37:54.840 --> 01:37:59.560
like publishers more of a turnkey situation
for people, because you know, people

1603
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:01.039
understand movies to a certain extent.
Yeah, you know, like like some

1604
01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.479
of that stuff has gotten out and
it's been around long enough that people kind

1605
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:08.760
of understand that kind of push and
pull. But yeah, right right,

1606
01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:11.399
Yeah, they think they understand enough
of it to dump a bunch of money

1607
01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:13.439
into it, and then when the
movie tanks, they're like, wait,

1608
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.399
what, Yeah, you didn't even
cast my lead. That would have made

1609
01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:19.439
the difference. Whereas with games,
you know that that's a little that's still

1610
01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:25.479
a little hard to get some insight
into. So yeah, do you look

1611
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.399
that up. Yeah, it's called
Seduced and abandent. That's it, the

1612
01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:31.319
thing seduced and abandoned. Yeah,
if you're if you're at all interested in

1613
01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:34.079
like film production and the wheeling and
dealing that goes on behind the scenes,

1614
01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:38.840
that that thing is really good.
That sounds like a nightmare. It is.

1615
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:42.800
It all seems super sleazy. It's
the whole thing feels really sleazy.

1616
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.000
Does it seems like the same thing
is like when we see games and like

1617
01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:47.680
the inner workings of that and go
like, how does a game even ever

1618
01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:51.279
get kind? Well, this,
this in particular is super smoozy because you're

1619
01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:56.520
combining like like the glitz of being
in the South of France or whatever with

1620
01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:00.600
like the all the ego and celebrity
that goes along with Holly would and you

1621
01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:04.000
know, like in this case it's
and giant money. Like it's just gross

1622
01:39:04.079 --> 01:39:09.199
in every in every direction in that
thing. But like that's obviously that's how

1623
01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:13.920
the business works, man. So
if you're if you're curious in seeing some

1624
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.239
of the inner workings of that,
you should check that movie out and who

1625
01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:19.920
knows if this will enable some of
the same stuff or not, But like

1626
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:26.239
it seems like tentatively you can say, like more more ways to get games

1627
01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:29.680
made is better than less, right, Like, who knows knows what this

1628
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.319
is going to yield. Example,
giving a backer of a game or having

1629
01:39:32.359 --> 01:39:35.239
a set up where a backer of
a game can get more than like a

1630
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:41.600
fancy calendar or something like that is
probably smart, yeah too, or you

1631
01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:44.640
know it just yeah, it might
encourage bigger investments in smaller projects, because

1632
01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:46.640
like, even small games are fucking
expensive to make these days. Sure,

1633
01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:51.920
so that can't necessarily be a bad
thing. I will watch this thing intensely

1634
01:39:53.000 --> 01:39:55.279
to see what else comes out of
it, Like once they start running more

1635
01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:58.239
projects and stuff, I'm really curious
to see where this thing goes. I

1636
01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:00.520
mean, if you look at the
people on the advisory board, one would

1637
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:02.880
expect that all of them would go
on to use this service as opposed to

1638
01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:08.920
Kickstarter can then they've all have they
all I know, an exile and double

1639
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.439
fine trying to think what is a
Yeah, Pillars sitting in absolutely yeah,

1640
01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:15.479
Pillars Fraternity was a Kickstarter. Yeah, all three of those companies are among

1641
01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:18.199
the most successful on kickstarters. So
I guess it does make sense that they'd

1642
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:23.439
want to break out of that model
and try to have a little more control

1643
01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:29.920
over it. Interesting times in the
game's business. Totally. It's a weird

1644
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:31.760
world. Yeah. Yeah. Are
we gonna start saying, Oh, they

1645
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:35.840
have a fig going? Oh?
I don't know, I won't they're figuring

1646
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:43.359
it. They're heavy into figging.
What No, what I'm just saying.

1647
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:45.880
They're using the site. Oh okay, they get they're big into the fig

1648
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:49.000
see what you mean? Yeah,
yeah, stick figuring it. Yeah.

1649
01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:56.159
Street fight er five yeah, speaking
of figure Yeah, yeah, I don't

1650
01:40:56.199 --> 01:41:00.920
know. We didn't check, or
I didn't have time to check. I

1651
01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:02.199
didn't have time to turn on a
PS four before we came up here.

1652
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:05.520
But if I understand correctly, there
should be a stress test going on right

1653
01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:09.880
now for street Fighter five running as
we speak. As we speak, do

1654
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:13.920
you guys know if that actually started, I would assume. So I guess

1655
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:17.920
the street Fighter actually created a Twitter
account saying street Fighter five server. It's

1656
01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:21.960
like a it's not verified, but
it's it's it's official. Check that see

1657
01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:27.520
if it's up and running. So
they ran one most recently, and it's

1658
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.039
funny that they're calling it stress test
now and not beta, yeah, which

1659
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:33.239
is essentially what it is. Yeah, well, to be clear, this

1660
01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:35.800
it's just a beta for their beta, right. But to be clear,

1661
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:40.199
this does not count as as one
of the three official beta periods as far

1662
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:43.720
as I know, it does not. That's that's what this that's what this

1663
01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:46.520
says that I'm looking at this.
Yeah, this is basically trying to avoid

1664
01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:49.319
what happened with that first beta that
they had to abort because it was on

1665
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:54.479
fire. Yeah. Oh it's terrible. It's impossible to play the video game.

1666
01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:57.479
I get that, like large parts
of this will certainly go on to

1667
01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:00.920
improve the final product, but at
some point the idea that they are running

1668
01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:06.680
stress tests to get their beta up
and running like must be insanely frustrating.

1669
01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:10.800
Yeah, I'm on their insure,
and like for the consumer, it gives

1670
01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:14.560
the distinct impression that they don't necessarily
have their ship together all the way in

1671
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:16.960
a world where like one of the
big announcement hooks are coming out of E

1672
01:42:17.079 --> 01:42:21.239
three was hate our all new net
code to have. I mean, granted,

1673
01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:25.119
you know this is this is the
match making, It's not purely the

1674
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:29.600
net code, but to have the
online experience suck so much ass is not

1675
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:31.880
inspiring confidence in the final product,
so to be fair, A couple of

1676
01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.319
weeks ago, they ran another kind
of stealth stress test you've heard about,

1677
01:42:35.359 --> 01:42:39.000
like the internal stress test. They
kind of got opened up to everybody.

1678
01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:41.279
Yeah, like they snuck out there, right. Yeah, it's like on

1679
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:44.920
UPF you were like getting a match
every thirty minutes or something that they later

1680
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:48.079
that night. I actually logged in
probably about midnight, and it was constant.

1681
01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.760
It was a constantlo of match working
out. Yeah, it was working

1682
01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:56.640
out just fine, and they played
that's uh yeah, that's that's the other

1683
01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:59.319
side of the story. It did
not different story. I had one match

1684
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:01.760
that was maybe playable, but I
still got in like twenty thirty matches and

1685
01:43:01.800 --> 01:43:04.680
I was like all in a row. So so that's being worked down,

1686
01:43:04.760 --> 01:43:09.039
it seems. And in this particular
stress tess, I guess they're opening up

1687
01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:11.359
the borders a little bit, so
it's going to be North and South America.

1688
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:15.760
I guess things went pretty well over
in Europe. Yeah, they did

1689
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:18.079
that one looks like four days ago. Yeah. I didn't hear about too

1690
01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:21.880
many fires. I could be wrong
on that, but I mean slowly but

1691
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:25.439
surely, I guess coming along.
But you know, then again, it's

1692
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:30.039
like you've got games like Rising Fun
or which like Technical Alpha and it's running

1693
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:33.680
great, you know, the net
code and everything matchmaking, and they're still

1694
01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:38.079
making solid improvements. Well you know, it's it's you know, they've been

1695
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:43.279
consistently like they've improved upon their already
world class platform or whatever. Right like,

1696
01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:45.119
it's still GGPO, you know,
it's kind of the gold standard.

1697
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:47.960
It's also at the games out there, and especially a lot of access games

1698
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:53.960
that have really really good net code. Why why Capcom doesn't want to like

1699
01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:59.000
license some of this technology they could
certainly license GGPO. I think out there

1700
01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:04.079
might standing is that the stuff around
GGPO and it's system requirements are very heavy,

1701
01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:10.000
okay uh, and that it is
kind of storing, like like my

1702
01:44:10.079 --> 01:44:12.760
stand up like doing like stuff for
like XBLA and stuff like that. You

1703
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:16.319
that used GGPO was that you had
to be able to store the entire game

1704
01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:20.039
and memory at all times, and
that that created, you know, when

1705
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:24.840
you when you had a larger scale
game, a kind of real full retail

1706
01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:29.000
product, a modern product as opposed
to emulating you know, like a CPS

1707
01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:31.920
three CPS two game even, you
know, like like the memory requirements are

1708
01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:36.720
such that GPO becomes it has too
much overhead. Uh, that's what I've

1709
01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:40.640
heard. I'm no engineer, but
yeah, you know, I'm not honestly

1710
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.479
away to make it work. Yeah, I would have, since I know

1711
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.560
they have used to like modified versions
of it, and yeah, yeah,

1712
01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:49.159
yeah, it's it's frustrating where there's
so many other games that are doing so

1713
01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:54.039
much better, you know, uh
network wise, Yeah, understandable. I

1714
01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.840
mean, in Capcom's defense, I
would guess that none of those other games

1715
01:44:57.960 --> 01:45:01.199
have the same demand that a game
Cultree Fighter five does. They're probably right,

1716
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:03.960
And it seems like beta codes were
just getting out there left and right

1717
01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:08.119
as people were like pre ordering to
get the code and then canceling the pre

1718
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:10.600
orders. There's probably a lot of
people trying to get into that beta.

1719
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:14.439
Yeah, I can see that.
That is it your understanding. Anybody that

1720
01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:16.920
has that beta installed already can try
to participate in this thing. Yeah,

1721
01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:19.000
like if you just fire it up, you should be able to at least

1722
01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:24.520
attempt to connect. Yeah, all
right, nondiscriminatory. They've been changing like

1723
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:27.119
the versions on it as well,
which is kind of going back and forth

1724
01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.880
on like that you've been checking.
Uh yeah, no, like little things

1725
01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:32.880
I mean, first and foremost ended
like Bertie and Cammy, we're not available

1726
01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:39.119
during this last one. But then
like some of the combos that that I

1727
01:45:39.199 --> 01:45:43.520
had been doing, huh, we're
not working interesting and new ones were.

1728
01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:46.279
So yeah, they're they're changing up
the engine a little bit. I wonder

1729
01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:49.520
if they can tweak that stuff on
their end without having to push probably local

1730
01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:54.000
patch out. That was like,
that's how another realm's been doing a lot

1731
01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:55.920
of their stuff is they can they
can tweak a lot of the math and

1732
01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:58.479
a lot of some of the numbers
and frames and stuff. Yeah, and

1733
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.680
that's kind of why they stagger out
Birdie and Camping to begin with, because

1734
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:03.920
they wanted to be able to kind
of push a live update over the course

1735
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:06.199
of the weekend, which which did
seem to work, I guess, but

1736
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:12.640
interesting stuff. Meanwhile, they patched
Ultra Ultra street Fighter four on the PlayStation

1737
01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:18.239
four today as well, and they
changed PlayStation Registered sign network to PlayStation TM.

1738
01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:23.159
So of course, yes, please
make sure that all the legal window

1739
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:26.000
dressing and on the branding is correct. Does that game work? Yeah?

1740
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.680
They fix it? Yeah, Yeah, it's fine, it's all good.

1741
01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:32.199
Now, well that's good. One
down, Oh no, all right,

1742
01:46:32.319 --> 01:46:36.159
one to go. At least they're
taking baby steps, you know. At

1743
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:41.000
least they're not just launching headlong into
another full beta and having it break again.

1744
01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:44.800
They fell on fell on their face. Man, was yes, So

1745
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:45.880
now they're backing up. It's like, okay, all right, these are

1746
01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:53.520
just stress tests, they're internal whatever. Yes, we shall see. Yeah.

1747
01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:58.439
Uh. Speaking of games that are
out yet, anybody excited for Rainbow

1748
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:02.920
six Siege, I think that game's
got potential. Yeah. Uh, it

1749
01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:04.640
was one of the things we're playing
it at E three. I think I

1750
01:47:04.680 --> 01:47:06.920
came out of it, like I
came out of one round of that game,

1751
01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:11.119
going, man, that's fucking rad. And then they did that closed

1752
01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:14.239
alpha or whatever it was, and
I played, you know, seven or

1753
01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:15.640
eight matches. I haven't win,
man, I don't know if I want

1754
01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:19.920
to play anymore. Well, how
many matches or how many maps were in

1755
01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:23.399
that? So that's the thing.
It was the same map across all those

1756
01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:26.399
matches. So that's that's a big
part of it. That wouldn't help.

1757
01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:29.560
Well, apparently you be Soft agrees
with you, as they have pushed the

1758
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:35.520
game back okay, really it was
coming out. Actually, this, the

1759
01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:39.439
blog post they put up on their
site doesn't say what the original release date

1760
01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:41.560
was. Why would they? Yeah, they only say the new one,

1761
01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:45.399
which is December. First. I
wanted I believe it was a November game,

1762
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:47.119
was it. Yeah, it's not. It's not a huge push.

1763
01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:49.039
It's not even that big a push. Then, Okay, I thought it

1764
01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:51.079
was a little bit October. Could
have been October, Yeah, maybe,

1765
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:55.279
Yeah, I want to say that
puts it on the same day as just

1766
01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:00.319
cause yes. Oh man, I
don't know, I mean whatever. Very

1767
01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:03.880
different audience, very different games.
Uh, but I know where I'll be

1768
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:11.399
casting my lot anyway, that's beside
the point here. They cite mostly feedback

1769
01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:15.000
from people that have played it,
yeah, and internal testing and stuff.

1770
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:18.199
We felt there are adjustments and improvements
we can make, including improving the co

1771
01:48:18.279 --> 01:48:23.600
op experience across all game modes,
weapon gadget balancing, as well as menu

1772
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:27.079
and interface navigation, so kind of
some of everything. Yeah, some of

1773
01:48:27.119 --> 01:48:29.640
that stuff that seemed clucking the off
of but you whatever, you look at

1774
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:31.239
it and go like, well,
this isn't the finished version, so yeah,

1775
01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:34.960
so whatever, but maybe that's what
Maybe that's they were planning on going

1776
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:38.520
with that stuff indeed, But I
mean, you know, whatever, it's

1777
01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:40.720
it's kind of a non story.
Like, hey, they added that like

1778
01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:44.720
terrorist hunt mode to it, which
is like they're trying to claim that it's

1779
01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:46.239
a throwback to you know, the
tea hunt modes they did before, but

1780
01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:49.159
it doesn't seem like the same thing. It's such a different game that it's

1781
01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:51.199
core that I don't know how you
can really say that, you know,

1782
01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:56.640
It's like the old, old,
old Rainbow six was such a hardcore oh

1783
01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.319
yeah, yeah, like you know, one shot and You're dead, realistic

1784
01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:03.960
kind of military simulator that when you're
wrapping this around a more modern, yeah,

1785
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:08.000
action oriented shooter horror, it's kind
of that's a weird claim to make.

1786
01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:12.439
Anyway. I wonder if I wonder
if this is like a sign of

1787
01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:16.920
a new Ubisoft and like a post
Assassin's Creed Unity era. I mean,

1788
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:20.720
that's certainly has to have had some
influence, would have pushed them in this

1789
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:24.680
in an in your direction, to
push things back. I think, yeah,

1790
01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:28.800
well that's a good thing. I
think we can all agree. Yeah,

1791
01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:31.760
yeah, they should put out games
that aren't fucking yeah. The bold

1792
01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:35.520
proclamations continue on this podcast. People
should shift games that work when you buy

1793
01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.680
them controversial stances. You should be
able to buy a game and and and

1794
01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:43.840
then and then put it into whatever, or like run it from what however

1795
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:45.720
you run it that you doubt will
you put it in over the internet or

1796
01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:49.560
you put it in over the optical
drive your console still has because it's old.

1797
01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:55.159
Uh, and play a video game
and have it function. I understand

1798
01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:57.399
what you're saying, and I appreciate
it. I just I don't know.

1799
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:02.600
Keep don't say things you don't mean. Games shouldn't be broken, person,

1800
01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:06.079
There should be. There should be
fewer patches to games, not because the

1801
01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:10.760
world is not ready for but but
only for the reason that games shouldn't need

1802
01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.560
them. They should ship working.
We should just go back to the dark

1803
01:50:14.600 --> 01:50:17.439
ages. I guess with no Internet. I'm not one of these have glitch

1804
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:21.920
games every I'm not one of these
fucking dummies. There's like I remember back

1805
01:50:21.960 --> 01:50:25.439
in my day, you put the
cartridge in, it just quit. You

1806
01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:28.520
just put it in, it goes. It's like, well, fucking shit

1807
01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:31.399
changed. Guess what. Technology is
fucking hard and it's way more advanced now,

1808
01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:35.239
so games are way more complicated,
Like you keep taking that tack and

1809
01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.800
it's noble in a weird way,
but it's so misguided that, oh my

1810
01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:43.199
god, I want to just strangle
you. Yeah, that's not a practical

1811
01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:45.880
response any Yeah, Like, patches
aren't inherently evil. The broken video games

1812
01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:48.880
are broken video games of the evil
part. Ye make them work. They

1813
01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:53.920
are, They are the product of
Satan. Patches are there for like,

1814
01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:56.600
you know, patches can be used
for good, not evil. Yes,

1815
01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:00.840
indeed, and they should be used
lightly. They should not be used lightly.

1816
01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:04.119
Make them count, do you?
Havelow came out with a new patch

1817
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:10.079
just a couple of days again,
Yeah, that just came out. The

1818
01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:14.760
big ones to day I think three. Yeah, the one that adds the

1819
01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:19.079
new artists in there, which is
weird because you can actually remove the level

1820
01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:24.079
requirement from certain items. Weird.
Yeah, So you could you know,

1821
01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:26.560
have this, you know, a
super duper legendary item and just give it

1822
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:29.239
to one of your level one alts. That's cool, I guess. So

1823
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:32.479
would it make the game more fun? It's probably cool. It's I think

1824
01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:35.359
the people that are probably sticking with
that game would say that that that game

1825
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:39.319
doesn't start until you hit max level. Now, they'd be one of those

1826
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:42.920
people. You're probably it's just sort
of like, you know, they're doing

1827
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:45.680
what they do with World of Warcraft
and like just making the ramp to max

1828
01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:51.079
level really trivial. Okay, man, yeah, Destiny he's also doing that

1829
01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:54.840
that new expansion. Do you see
there's gonna be an item where you can

1830
01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:58.279
just immediately level new character to twenty
five. Okay, so like here you

1831
01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:00.039
go, and we will these be
limb the items. You will only get

1832
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:03.239
one one per account. Okay.
Yeah, remember all that bullshit you had

1833
01:52:03.279 --> 01:52:06.079
to do just to get up the
level twenty five? Wow? You skip

1834
01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:10.279
all that. I'm actually conflicted about
that thing because I wanted to play a

1835
01:52:10.359 --> 01:52:12.520
new character in this thing to see, like I wanted to hear all the

1836
01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.199
Nolan North. I wanted to see
what they did to quote unquote fixed Destiny,

1837
01:52:15.600 --> 01:52:17.560
Like I thought it would be a
super interesting thing to do to just

1838
01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:20.800
see, like, how did you
remake your own gamely agree after a year,

1839
01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:25.640
well, I'm still like level twelve. Yeah that's okay, all right,

1840
01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:29.840
I have a level six characters that
I kind of stopped with. But

1841
01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:30.840
I even want to see how the
game starts, Like I want to see

1842
01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:33.760
if they didn't even be different there, you know, well these rumors going

1843
01:52:33.800 --> 01:52:39.199
around about how they originally had like
different starting areas for different character classes and

1844
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:48.479
stuff like, Hey, Guardian Oi
talks like the penguin. Yep, that

1845
01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:51.359
would that would make sense? He
can do that, Yeah, he knows

1846
01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:56.720
how. All Right, packs is
like two hours closer than it was at

1847
01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:59.880
the beginning of this podcast. Let's
move this thing along with some emails.

1848
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:02.439
I'm excit different things. Yeah,
yeah, me too, bodcast of giant

1849
01:53:02.479 --> 01:53:08.000
bomb dot com. First email comes
from David and Montreal. He says,

1850
01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:14.000
Hi, Hey, given that we're
seeing occasional games mimicking in nes and sneest

1851
01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:17.119
styles or limitations of graphics, gameplay, music, and or sound, do

1852
01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:21.039
you think we'll see a similar wave
of games mimicking titles from the PlayStation one

1853
01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:26.920
and in sixty four era in similar
regards purposefully poor voice acting, bad audio

1854
01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:30.760
and video compression on speech, low
rez, pre rendered backgrounds, polygon cracks,

1855
01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:35.760
warping textures, et cetera. All
of that shit sounds looks terrible,

1856
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:40.560
alright, totally with you. I
mean, you know, there's an overabundance

1857
01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:44.520
and an oversaturation of you know,
PIXELI retro style graphics not nowadays, but

1858
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:48.199
that and it's I pleasing, is
what hear me out. A lot of

1859
01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:54.640
those, a lot of the fake
eight in sixteen bit games don't actually adhere

1860
01:53:54.680 --> 01:53:58.720
to the limitation almost none of them. Like they're they're just kind of taking

1861
01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:01.640
the best parts of those things and
cart forward. So it wouldn't be about

1862
01:54:01.640 --> 01:54:06.800
deliberately bad voice acting, because that's
hard to do. But if you think

1863
01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:12.199
about things like that polygonal style,
you know, clean it up like volume.

1864
01:54:12.359 --> 01:54:15.039
We just talked about volume, like
you know, like that sort of

1865
01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:20.079
thing I think could absolutely work.
Yeah, but actually actually, but if

1866
01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:23.840
you drag it all the way down
to like yeah, where it's like warping

1867
01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:27.000
polygons and stuff like that, at
some point it becomes like the the Sonic

1868
01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:31.720
Dream collection, Like that's a fucking
nightmare. Uh. And it's it's beautiful.

1869
01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:36.560
How that's that's weird fan made thing. It's the it's the thing from

1870
01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:41.319
the creators of the Bubby three d
Art Museum thing. Yes. I can

1871
01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:44.840
appreciate a good low face style,
yes, if it's done well right.

1872
01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:47.000
However, if you're talking about like
some of the standouts of like the thirty

1873
01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:51.039
two bit generation early three d polygonal
stuff. None of that holds up like

1874
01:54:51.119 --> 01:54:56.239
it looks absolutely terrible. But I
think if you took those, just even

1875
01:54:56.279 --> 01:54:59.560
some of those same low poly models
and clean them up, clean them up

1876
01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:01.640
to add pollies to them, but
to sharpen things up a little bit,

1877
01:55:01.720 --> 01:55:05.920
the same way that like, you
know, all the fake APIT games now

1878
01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:09.880
have sharper edges than you would have
ever gotten out of a CRT and they

1879
01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:12.520
can have their dumb CRT filters and
they're all they want. You know,

1880
01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:15.039
they're a stupid they're wide screen,
they have like a bigger color than they

1881
01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:18.479
could have, Like like the music
has like two more channels than they would

1882
01:55:18.479 --> 01:55:20.880
have been able to. It's like
the music includes square wave, but it's

1883
01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:24.279
obviously not like you know, it's
got real samples in there and stuff too.

1884
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:27.199
Right, it's a it's a like
a pastiche of that old stuff with

1885
01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:30.960
modern like, I think there's ability. I wouldn't necessarily dismiss it out of

1886
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.039
hand if someone made a fake N
sixty five game, damn it, but

1887
01:55:33.199 --> 01:55:40.079
made it, but actually you did
that thing? What where I came into

1888
01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:42.960
this with a preconceived notion, and
now I have gone back and reconsidered.

1889
01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:45.600
My opinion, I think that there's
a room for that to not be total

1890
01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.359
shit. I think there's room for
that for again a few games. Yeah,

1891
01:55:48.479 --> 01:55:50.760
it hasn't be done well. I
mean a bunch of people will try

1892
01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:54.680
because they'll think that like that's the
next like gold Rush or whatever. Or

1893
01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:59.359
it's still it's still relatively easy to
do when you compared to like full scale

1894
01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:00.720
production on art and all this other
stuff. I was right. I will

1895
01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:03.960
say I've seen footage of a couple
indie games that are just attempting to look

1896
01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:06.439
like a PS one game, and
like, I'm not interested in that.

1897
01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:11.600
I'm sorry. I don't think that
look in and of itself is something that's

1898
01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:15.720
not plenty enough. Yeah, you
know, I think that you could probably

1899
01:56:15.760 --> 01:56:18.560
get away with that. Yeah,
depending on Also, like if you're playing

1900
01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:24.800
it, if you're gonna go that
much in three D direction, I feel

1901
01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:29.319
like it's not that much more effort
to make it look a little better.

1902
01:56:29.680 --> 01:56:32.880
Yeah, Like in some ways you're
probably like making it like in sixty four

1903
01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:36.760
accurate may even be more difficult,
right, Yeah, yeah, because you

1904
01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:41.039
might have to limit yourself in ways
you hadn't thought of right off the bat.

1905
01:56:41.119 --> 01:56:43.880
You'd have to kind of study the
details of it. Grow Home is

1906
01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:46.960
actually the perfect example of like,
but that looks like a PlayStation one game

1907
01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:49.520
in twenty fifteen, you know,
like it's sharp, it's smooth, like

1908
01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:54.680
it runs well, yeah, like
it's got to like like that. That

1909
01:56:54.880 --> 01:57:00.640
totally can look amazing. Yet of
all two still looks yes, yeah,

1910
01:57:01.640 --> 01:57:05.319
just because it runs, so coming
up on this podcast, we're just gonna

1911
01:57:05.359 --> 01:57:08.960
have to play it. At some
point, you played like mald Bulls yet

1912
01:57:09.079 --> 01:57:11.560
yeah, yeah, recently, yeah, we did. We did a video

1913
01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:14.439
of that. That's like a that's
like a flat shaded, like super low

1914
01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:16.359
poly like Dark Souls type game.
Like it has a kind of a striking

1915
01:57:16.399 --> 01:57:19.439
look to it, and I think
that's made by like one or very few

1916
01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:25.319
people. All right, fine,
yes there is room for that aesthetic.

1917
01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:28.359
And also bring back cell shading.
Okay, yeah, I'm with you on

1918
01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:30.199
there. I looked at those Tony
Ox screen shots and said, you know

1919
01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:33.319
what, all right, I don't
think that game looks amazing, but why

1920
01:57:33.359 --> 01:57:36.800
not? Is that thing actually sell
shaded apparently? Yeah? What weird?

1921
01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:41.159
Okay, like it wasn't before.
And then they put out some screenshots and

1922
01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:45.199
you're like, oh, all right, worked for Borderlands. Man, think

1923
01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:47.039
about how good Automode LISTA could have
been if it played well. So,

1924
01:57:47.920 --> 01:57:50.680
oh yes, I missed that.
Why was that game bad? It was

1925
01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:58.159
too How simulation oriented the driving was
was not enough? Yeah, Like it

1926
01:57:58.279 --> 01:58:00.439
had all the kind of RPG,
like the kind of the elements of like

1927
01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.720
building up a car and parts and
all this other stuff of a Grand Turismo,

1928
01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.880
but then it also tried to control
sort of like Grand Turismo. So

1929
01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:10.399
it's not the point. You're like, well, what why would I want

1930
01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:13.119
to sell shaded Grand Turismo? You
want to you want to kick the rear

1931
01:58:13.239 --> 01:58:15.359
end of your cartoon car out as
you slide around the corner. I want

1932
01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:18.119
to do that so bad. Yeah
you don't even know. Yeah, a

1933
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:21.920
little about another fighting game that looked
like old Virtue A Fighter. Yeah,

1934
01:58:23.199 --> 01:58:26.359
I think that. I think you
could totally do that totally. It would

1935
01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:29.000
be badass. Yeah, there's there's
to take place in cyberspace. Now,

1936
01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:31.159
that's the only difference is you know, as to be some kind of like

1937
01:58:31.359 --> 01:58:35.359
reason for it to look like that
with like Lucky Palmer profile up in the

1938
01:58:35.399 --> 01:58:41.840
corner with its VR helmets as his
icon. Rise the Robots three Okay,

1939
01:58:42.199 --> 01:58:45.439
I just want to fight Polygon Man
at the end of the whole thing.

1940
01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:50.800
Justin McElroy, Yes, that's the
guy. Sean from Chesterfield, Virginia.

1941
01:58:51.159 --> 01:58:56.159
What's up, bomb cast? You
and your wife or girlfriend are eagerly anticipating

1942
01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:59.560
the birth of your new child.
Which video game character would you want to

1943
01:58:59.640 --> 01:59:01.920
deliver your baby out of the womb
and into your arms? Are you serious?

1944
01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:04.760
Jason? You might be able to
speak to this. I have not

1945
01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:09.439
thought about this, do you have. Have you consulted with doctor Mario?

1946
01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:13.279
I had no, I have not. I think we're interviewing him to be

1947
01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:16.239
our pH. How about doctor Buskanovic
a couple of weeks him as well.

1948
01:59:16.319 --> 01:59:19.680
He's in the running. Yeah,
great, Doctor Wiley, doctor Braskanovic,

1949
01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:23.840
He's just he's just a fall down
drunk. Yeah, he really lays down

1950
01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:27.159
on the job, he really does. Yeah. Doctor Naomi Hunter, there

1951
01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:30.079
we go. M you don't want
that. No, you don't know.

1952
01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:33.560
She doesn't properly disinfect spread the virus
around. I mean the kid would be

1953
01:59:33.640 --> 01:59:36.880
fine, but anyone the kid came
into contact with just be Yeah. Yeah,

1954
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:41.039
absolutely, just a carrier. Yeah, that's that's sorry. That's something

1955
01:59:41.159 --> 01:59:43.000
I really have to ponder. Yeah, geez, I don't know. I

1956
01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:46.760
thought about fictional characters delivering my baby. Who seems like a capable who could

1957
01:59:46.840 --> 01:59:49.680
like deliver a baby in the back
of a cab if they had to Sonic.

1958
01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:55.520
Uh. Yeah, it seems like
a reliable guy. Oh boy,

1959
01:59:55.680 --> 01:59:59.000
I mean he could get us to
the hospital of time anyway. The gloves

1960
01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:00.640
are real white and so they seemed
clean. He seems like he keeps clean.

1961
02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:06.560
Touching that one. M I mean
what about doctor Robotnik, He's a

1962
02:00:06.600 --> 02:00:14.520
doctor, that's true. Yeah,
mean mean machine delivery machine? Yeah,

1963
02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:18.479
that would probably work. Just strap
her in. And what about Rocket from

1964
02:00:19.520 --> 02:00:26.159
Ghost Trick? No rocks Rocket and
Ghost Trick the dog missile missile? Yeah,

1965
02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:29.399
I'm not sure is that the name? I never played that game.

1966
02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:30.880
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go
with doctor Mario, all right? Think?

1967
02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:35.239
Yeah, that dog seems capable,
yes, and doctor Mario's a safe

1968
02:00:35.319 --> 02:00:38.239
choice. Yeah, I think.
I feel like you can basically you could

1969
02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:41.600
basically just say who would you want
on your zombie team? As an alternate

1970
02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:45.279
version of this question, who is
capable and responsible in the video game world?

1971
02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:47.159
Missile? Yeah, I would want
all zombies actually about right, I

1972
02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:50.720
would actually want all resid evil zombies
because no one's gonna fuck with That's true.

1973
02:00:51.079 --> 02:00:56.840
Just blend right in. Wel Jason, we wish you will. Thank

1974
02:00:56.920 --> 02:01:00.600
you. Yeah, that's coming up
to quite you're pending arrival. Oh boy,

1975
02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:04.960
uh it happened. Yeah, sooner
nerd than later. Buckle up,

1976
02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:12.439
hell of a ride. Phil from
San Marcos has an idea. I love

1977
02:01:12.520 --> 02:01:15.239
your coverage of E three conferences.
I also like to watch old E three

1978
02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:19.600
conferences. I think it would be
interesting to watch you guys talk over older

1979
02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:24.000
E three conferences. That is all, what do you guys think? Yeah,

1980
02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:26.399
we've talked about it. Yeah,
I like that idea. Yeah,

1981
02:01:27.359 --> 02:01:29.520
would we do the whole thing?
I think you would have to, I

1982
02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:33.359
guess so, yeah, like you
don't. You don't just do nine U

1983
02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:36.159
S dollars whatever. You kind of
have to take all the whole thing.

1984
02:01:36.800 --> 02:01:40.520
Like if you were just gonna do
E three press conference moments, then you're

1985
02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:44.399
just doing like a VH one production, right right, there's like five or

1986
02:01:44.520 --> 02:01:47.520
nine dollars. Who would have done
that brown and slam smash cut to the

1987
02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:50.520
footage and the slam cut back to
Michailee and black. It was just like

1988
02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:54.319
making a fart noise, sound of
a boiling on your wing in the background,

1989
02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.319
pop up E three video. Yeah, just just get out the sound

1990
02:01:57.359 --> 02:02:00.319
board. I don't know what we
would pick though. There's a lot of

1991
02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:03.439
press conference Like, what is it. It's like four to five press conferences

1992
02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:06.279
a year for the last like twenty
years. That's a lot of shows to

1993
02:02:06.359 --> 02:02:10.239
pick from. I mean, you
could just go back and pick some of

1994
02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:13.920
the more infamous ones or something like
that to start, or I'd actually I'd

1995
02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:16.239
be waterested in some of the more
benign events just to try to get a

1996
02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:19.520
read on I don't know, man
like that stuff. Like at this point,

1997
02:02:19.600 --> 02:02:24.680
having gone to damn near all of
them or been to a lot of

1998
02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:26.920
press conference over the years, a
lot of that stuff just runs together.

1999
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.920
So it's just like all the stuff
is just like in my mind, is

2000
02:02:29.960 --> 02:02:32.800
there's this like mash up, this
horrible super cut of just like Robbie Drums

2001
02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:39.640
and you know the Killzone trailer.
Yeah, mister caffeine fucking Jamie Kennedy.

2002
02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:43.640
People like people crying over Twilight Princess. Yeah, at the time that guy

2003
02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:46.760
stood up with like the Rising Sun
bandana on to try to ask me amoto

2004
02:02:46.920 --> 02:02:54.039
question in Japanese, particularly great Japanese
speaker. Yes, fuck Jay Allard sitting

2005
02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:57.880
down on the slanted stage. Yeah, totally. I was there for that

2006
02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:00.279
one. Yeah, they're They're a
lot, a lot of good dumb press.

2007
02:03:00.520 --> 02:03:03.840
It's all moments like that. Now, it's just like that's all that

2008
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:09.520
exists in my head, like the
people walking out there and announcing games and

2009
02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:13.279
something like what I mean, I
had hopped on YouTube when i Wata passed

2010
02:03:13.279 --> 02:03:15.600
away and like was pulling up some
old clips at him, and like from

2011
02:03:15.640 --> 02:03:18.359
a less jokey and more reverent perspective, like that was kind of cool to

2012
02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.800
go back and watch, like like
the DS reveal, you know, like

2013
02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:25.640
the first DS right, and nobody
knew what the fuck it was. Yeah,

2014
02:03:26.600 --> 02:03:29.720
yeah, those those kinds of things
would be fun. I think,

2015
02:03:29.800 --> 02:03:33.840
what what year was it where he
walked out to exhibit sonny an X minor

2016
02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:38.520
really like Nintendo just had the there
was like this almost orchestral kind of sent

2017
02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:42.000
these things from this exhibit song.
Huh. I don't know, and it's

2018
02:03:42.039 --> 02:03:48.399
just like no, Satoru e Wata
and exhibit is playing all right. Maybe

2019
02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:51.000
maybe he was a big X fan, Yeah, who knows? Probably,

2020
02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:57.279
And we all were Yeah, those
were heavy days. Yeah, I think

2021
02:03:57.319 --> 02:04:00.560
that would be fun. I saw
him at a PSPs conference exhibit I mean,

2022
02:04:00.760 --> 02:04:04.479
oh, I don't know which which
one. I was the one where

2023
02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:09.159
they were announcing the music support was
the one in Vegas? Yeah, yeah,

2024
02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:11.560
I was a CS or dice or
something and we were out there and

2025
02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:14.439
exhibit was there. Yeah. Yeah, and then we saw Camp Freddie.

2026
02:04:14.560 --> 02:04:16.640
Yes, that was that same trip. Yep. That was a weird trip.

2027
02:04:18.039 --> 02:04:23.079
Yeah, that was a weird trip. I don't even know how we

2028
02:04:23.119 --> 02:04:26.159
would pick. We would have to
just like throw a bunch of a hat

2029
02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:28.000
and pull them out. I think, yeah, because there's a lot to

2030
02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:30.279
pick from. Let's build a roulette
wheel. That would be fun. With

2031
02:04:30.359 --> 02:04:32.239
the wheel of conferences. That would
be fun. And I'm totally down for

2032
02:04:32.319 --> 02:04:39.359
that idea. Yeah, good idea, Phil. Thanks. Michael from Bellingham,

2033
02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:45.039
Washington says Hell is coming. Every
convenience store in my city is phasing

2034
02:04:45.079 --> 02:04:48.720
out proper forties for plastic ones.
Hell descends God is dead and we have

2035
02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:53.560
killed him. Yeah. Yeah,
is that we have some There are some

2036
02:04:53.760 --> 02:04:57.399
ordinances, whether they're city or I
don't know if it's local or statewide or

2037
02:04:57.479 --> 02:05:01.479
whatever that you can't have glass spottles
above a certain size. A lot of

2038
02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:05.199
glass. It's a lot of glass. True. So some in some uh

2039
02:05:05.520 --> 02:05:10.720
some areas, they actually it's there's
some law specifically about forty ounces that they

2040
02:05:10.760 --> 02:05:14.359
will just sell thirty twos. Wow, good, great yourself with trade deuce

2041
02:05:15.159 --> 02:05:18.960
uh or two or two? Why
stop there? Yeah? We call that

2042
02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:28.439
a Nintendo uh and uh yeah.
So I'm imagining that this is some extension

2043
02:05:28.479 --> 02:05:31.680
of that stuff. Do you think
that affects the flavor, the the bouquet

2044
02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:35.720
of the malt laquer? Nah?
Man, that stuff is fucking it's impenetrable.

2045
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.960
It's probably better because you know,
those last eight ounces anyway are so

2046
02:05:40.119 --> 02:05:44.079
fucking piss warm and nasty. Yeah, you're just not drinking them fast night.

2047
02:05:44.239 --> 02:05:47.640
You're probably right. Well. With
the plastic conduct heat more efficiently,

2048
02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:51.920
let's make it good questions, I
would think, So it gets bound to

2049
02:05:51.960 --> 02:05:56.159
be thinner plastic, yeah, than
the glass, I mean certainly. Yeah.

2050
02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:00.279
Yeah, that's why I bring a
thermis with me where I go,

2051
02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:01.680
so I can just pour the forty
directly into the thermis and then I have

2052
02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:06.840
the bottle ready to break right right
there, just front loaded. I wonder

2053
02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:12.479
how I wonder how cold is Zuji
Roushi would keep forty or however much of

2054
02:06:12.520 --> 02:06:14.920
the forty you could fit in there
was that thing. Hold you probably get

2055
02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:16.520
a big one sixteen eighteen ounces something. You can get a bigger one maybe,

2056
02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:21.159
but get this Zi rice cooker for
you in there. I heat it

2057
02:06:21.199 --> 02:06:23.960
up. Yeah, that sounds like
a good time. It just makes a

2058
02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:29.119
giant pancake. Make rice with malt
liquor. Yeah, I'm sure it's like

2059
02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:32.680
rice wine bechnically. I think that's
yeah, that's oh good, you can

2060
02:06:32.760 --> 02:06:38.319
do it. If if my rice
cooker wasn't relatively nice and I wanted to

2061
02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:41.920
make sure I didn't ruin it,
I might give that a shot. That

2062
02:06:42.039 --> 02:06:45.159
sounds horrifying. I'll present this idea
to Dan Record. Okay, see what

2063
02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:49.760
he says. He can bring his
rice cooker. He has a lab for

2064
02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:53.680
this sort of stuff. That's true. Yeah, yes, it's food lab.

2065
02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:57.640
I've I've soaked chicken and malt liquor
before. All right, Okay,

2066
02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:03.760
how'd that go, like over a
day cooked like you were preparing like King

2067
02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:08.720
Cobra. Okay, how'd that?
It's dumb fucking yeah? But did it

2068
02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:11.560
taste No? Not really, it
was fine. It was fine, it

2069
02:07:11.640 --> 02:07:15.520
wasn't Moliker's got a certain bitterness to
it. Yeah, okay, yeah,

2070
02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:17.560
enough of that carried through. You're
like, well, this tastes like someone

2071
02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:21.039
fucking spilled a beer on my chicken. It's a real bummer. Gross.

2072
02:07:21.359 --> 02:07:27.439
Yeah, something seems not right to
me about drinking alcohol from a plastic container.

2073
02:07:28.560 --> 02:07:30.720
I just I agree, But I
think that's how they sell them,

2074
02:07:30.760 --> 02:07:32.600
Like in most baseball games. You
don't get Yeah, I mean like a

2075
02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:34.880
solo cup, I guess is fine, but I mean literally, like,

2076
02:07:34.960 --> 02:07:36.960
you know, instead of its bottle. Yeah, they're I mean, yeah,

2077
02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:40.720
there are like there are like plastic
beer bottles out there for sure,

2078
02:07:40.800 --> 02:07:43.399
But it just it seems wrong somehow. I agree, like a store bought

2079
02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:47.960
like contain like a sealed plastic container. Shin right, Just I can't serving

2080
02:07:48.000 --> 02:07:54.640
to can Yeah, don't work forty. You can't get sixty fours anymore.

2081
02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:57.439
No, it's not around here.
I know where you can where Tokyo,

2082
02:07:57.560 --> 02:08:00.880
Japan. Well, yeah, that's
a that's a big beer. That's the

2083
02:08:00.960 --> 02:08:03.279
home of the big beer. Yeah, I say, Mickey's in Big sixty

2084
02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:07.279
four. Yeah exactly. You know
there's yeah Big sixty four Mickey's. He

2085
02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.079
gets a two hand that thing.
Ye, yeah, yeah, they call

2086
02:08:11.159 --> 02:08:15.640
that living. Yes, indeed,
sort of yes for a time, for

2087
02:08:16.439 --> 02:08:20.479
a time, until it puts an
end to your living. Yeah. Yeah,

2088
02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:26.159
it's rough. Herb in San Francisco
right soon? Where is it Herb?

2089
02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:35.039
I don't know her don't I don't
actually know Herb. It's the name,

2090
02:08:35.039 --> 02:08:39.199
it's Herb. Yes, that was
my assumption. I saw Straight out

2091
02:08:39.199 --> 02:08:43.239
of Compton last week and noticed something
curious during the preceding trailer for Ride Along

2092
02:08:43.319 --> 02:08:46.840
Too. I did not know they
were making another ride along. How about

2093
02:08:46.840 --> 02:08:50.520
you, guys. There's a prominently
featured poster for Gears of War three,

2094
02:08:50.640 --> 02:08:54.159
and what I believe is Kevin Hart's
character's apartment. If memory serves, it's

2095
02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:58.159
visible for at least ten seconds.
I had the misfortune of seeing the first

2096
02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:01.359
ride along. Kevin Hart's character is
this established as a gamer via his enthusiasm

2097
02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:07.319
for a fictitious call of duty facsimily, it's possible that the poster is simply

2098
02:09:07.399 --> 02:09:09.840
a piece of indep set design.
On the other hand, the game is

2099
02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:13.479
almost five years old, and it
seems like a major studio comedy of Righte

2100
02:09:13.479 --> 02:09:16.359
Along twos ILK wouldn't pass up the
opportunity to get those products placement dollars.

2101
02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:20.399
My question for you is, do
you think the appearance of a Gears of

2102
02:09:20.439 --> 02:09:22.439
War poster and this film is intended
to promote this week's Gears of War one

2103
02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:26.279
remaster? If so, is this
kind of marketing precedented? Why not just

2104
02:09:26.359 --> 02:09:30.840
go whole hog and promote the current
release directly? Am I just overthinking this?

2105
02:09:31.479 --> 02:09:35.079
Na man? That movie was made
like years ago? Which movie right

2106
02:09:35.159 --> 02:09:37.159
along too? She shot it before
the first one? Yes? Yeah,

2107
02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:41.520
yeah, right, yes, No, I think that's way too coordinated for

2108
02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:46.600
I agree that that seems a little
like a Yeah, that's a bridge too

2109
02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:50.800
far as far as people doing subtle
marketing for products that don't even really relate

2110
02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:54.920
to each other. Yes, some
set designers just like that looks like a

2111
02:09:56.039 --> 02:09:58.520
video game slap. That's probably the
case. It's not like that weird ass

2112
02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:03.720
rage thing and Breaking Bad or Yeah, that's probably still the weirdest video game

2113
02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:07.039
placement to date. Friends of Persia
in that game, and that show Life

2114
02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:11.319
was also really weird? Yes?
Yes, was it House of Cars?

2115
02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:16.159
Yes, a bunch of really weird
rotten with Sony stuff. Yeah. Frances

2116
02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:20.279
Underwood. Underwood is a huge PlayStation
fan, but he doesn't. He like

2117
02:10:20.359 --> 02:10:24.359
name drop the Vita at one point
even Yeah, I think the Vida.

2118
02:10:24.439 --> 02:10:26.680
I think he mentions Call of Duty, Like in the first season. There

2119
02:10:26.720 --> 02:10:30.439
are multiple instances of him like coming
home from the Senate or whatever and just

2120
02:10:30.560 --> 02:10:33.159
plopping down and playing Call of Duty
visibly, and then at one point he

2121
02:10:33.239 --> 02:10:37.680
talks like he says something about keeping
a vida with him or something like its

2122
02:10:37.800 --> 02:10:41.319
fucking weird. Well and he I
forget how it went, but there's some

2123
02:10:41.640 --> 02:10:50.279
plot part where he gets an idea
from reading a video game review or actual

2124
02:10:50.239 --> 02:10:54.239
Monument Valley. Yeah, he's like
he's seen his game Monument Valley. It's

2125
02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:56.359
a mobile games. Is that in
the new season? Yeah, the third

2126
02:10:56.399 --> 02:11:00.079
one. I haven't watched that yet
or second, I don't know, I

2127
02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:03.640
don't remember that. That's bizarre.
That's weird. That is really weird.

2128
02:11:03.560 --> 02:11:09.000
Product placement is weird and jarring,
but sometimes super fun. Yeah yeah,

2129
02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:11.800
sometimes sure, like it takes you
out of a thing, but sometimes you're

2130
02:11:11.800 --> 02:11:16.960
just like, that's fucking nuts.
Yeah, totally agreed. Worked in Wayne's

2131
02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:20.680
World two. Yeah, wait,
what was the product placement? It was

2132
02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:22.359
all of it all at once in
the course of like eight seconds. Oh

2133
02:11:22.439 --> 02:11:26.720
man, right, God, I
haven't seen that forever, no one has.

2134
02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:31.239
Yeah, yeah, wayness, the
world doesn't really seem like something.

2135
02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:33.640
As you go back to that Wayne
World two, I mean maybe the first

2136
02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:35.840
lacking at the time, maybe the
first one. The first one probably gets

2137
02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:39.880
some play here and there you might
catch Wayne's World one. Yeah, one

2138
02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:43.960
cable yeah or something. Though,
the lack of actual stairway to Heaven ruined

2139
02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:48.520
all post release copies of Wayne's World. Wait was it in there and then

2140
02:11:48.520 --> 02:11:52.479
they took it out? Yeah?
Did they? For the release had him

2141
02:11:52.560 --> 02:11:56.439
playing oh no shit, yeah,
wait that scene where the guy points to

2142
02:11:56.520 --> 02:12:03.039
the no stairway South Seas sense in
what the theatrical release of the movie,

2143
02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:07.960
whereas it was replaced with a bunch
of fucking garbage in the the video man,

2144
02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:13.640
And now you're like, what the
thought they could never secure? Okay,

2145
02:12:15.279 --> 02:12:18.960
maybe that's why Okay, my teenage
mind is blown. Yeah, that's

2146
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:22.920
crazy. I had no idea stairway. Wait, so they did they replace

2147
02:12:22.079 --> 02:12:26.680
the scene with the no stairways joke? They replaced the scene is the same.

2148
02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:30.920
They replaced what he plays on the
guitar that causes him to point to

2149
02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:33.359
the sign that says no stairway with
not stairway. Oh okay, that whole

2150
02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:37.520
shot is still in there, in
there, but it used to be.

2151
02:12:37.680 --> 02:12:39.840
What he played on the guitar was
like a fucking half asked stairway to heaven

2152
02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:41.800
and he goes, hey, no
stairway. You're like, okay, that's

2153
02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:43.960
that's a joke there, Okay.
I think I was a kid. I

2154
02:12:45.000 --> 02:12:50.159
didn't know. Yeah enough, oh
sure Zeppelin to even understand. But that's

2155
02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:54.199
crazy, man. You've learned something
new every day. It's true. Who

2156
02:12:54.239 --> 02:13:01.439
would have thought? Uh Landon writes
in about Tomato people. I was watching

2157
02:13:01.479 --> 02:13:03.239
you guys play Super Mario Maker on
un Professional Friday, and I was blown

2158
02:13:03.279 --> 02:13:07.600
away when Jeff called the gumbas in
Super Mario World lame. Not because I

2159
02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:11.880
disagreed with him, but because I
always thought they were a little tomato people.

2160
02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:15.920
Who's the lame one? Now he's
He's right though. They suck as

2161
02:13:16.000 --> 02:13:18.119
gumbas, but they're cool looking tomatoes. Do you guys know of any other

2162
02:13:18.199 --> 02:13:24.239
games with cool looking tomatoes? Franciss
Tomato Princess Tomato King Prans Tomato in the

2163
02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:28.600
Salad Kingdom was only that was my
one game to bring to this email Captain

2164
02:13:28.680 --> 02:13:37.319
Tomi Day. You play as a
tomato tomatoes in Ready and Tomatoes has some

2165
02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:41.439
tomato tossing hockey and Rocky could you
throw tomatoes? Are there any tomatoes in

2166
02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:45.880
Burger Time? Yeah? Probably ok, slices? All right, I'll accept

2167
02:13:45.920 --> 02:13:48.640
that. Right. There was a
database of things that were in video games

2168
02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:56.560
we could consult. Yeah, sure, WICKI listening any tomatoes in the Noid

2169
02:13:56.640 --> 02:14:00.239
game or they're like pizza ingredients?
No, that game had ninja is in

2170
02:14:00.359 --> 02:14:03.359
it, and then they localized it
to put the noise of it right lame

2171
02:14:03.920 --> 02:14:13.119
product place. Indeed, I like
the gumbas in Marial World look like yeah.

2172
02:14:13.079 --> 02:14:15.800
Like it was one of those things
where I think I was with him

2173
02:14:15.800 --> 02:14:18.199
where I didn't even realize they were
goombas originally, and then it was like,

2174
02:14:18.319 --> 02:14:20.880
oh wait, those are like half
asked gumbas. It just seemed like

2175
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:24.199
a like a sign of the new
hardware to me. It was like,

2176
02:14:24.239 --> 02:14:26.399
oh, they can animate these things
and make them look like they're not just

2177
02:14:26.479 --> 02:14:28.119
facing the screen all the time.
Now they can make it look like they

2178
02:14:28.159 --> 02:14:31.840
have depths. The shape is different, they don't look right. Home Front

2179
02:14:31.880 --> 02:14:41.239
apparently has tomatoes. Okay, Cityville, I would believe that Farmer rama Scott

2180
02:14:41.279 --> 02:14:46.560
Pilgrim that definitely checks out scribble knots
okay, dead Space. Wait a minute,

2181
02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:52.439
now, you're just talking crazy Kirby
and the Amazing Mirror, Ever Quest,

2182
02:14:52.520 --> 02:14:56.039
the Planes of Power, all these
ever expansions. Sure, Tonic Trouble,

2183
02:14:56.319 --> 02:15:01.840
Harvest Moon makes sense, Virtual Bart, Zombies, ate my neighbors to

2184
02:15:03.039 --> 02:15:09.159
Jam and Earl, Attack of the
Killer Tomatoes, Gremlins too, the New

2185
02:15:09.239 --> 02:15:13.439
Batch, Princess Tomato and the Salad
Kingdom. I like Kremlin's two. I

2186
02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:18.520
never saw it really, yeah Ki
Kremlin's one. Sure. I feel like

2187
02:15:18.560 --> 02:15:22.800
Gremlin's two was poorly received at the
time. Yeah, I think for a

2188
02:15:22.840 --> 02:15:26.119
good reason. Hogan and Gremlins too. At point they're like tearing apart the

2189
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:31.119
Yeah, tearing apart the movie projector
and end up in a bunch of different

2190
02:15:31.119 --> 02:15:33.680
movies or some dumb thing like that. So I saw it Back to the

2191
02:15:33.800 --> 02:15:39.600
Future three. I guess at a
drive in in Oregon, and it was

2192
02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:43.880
like three drive in screens, all
kind of facing into the center. So

2193
02:15:43.960 --> 02:15:46.399
you drove everyone drove into the center, and then depending on which way you

2194
02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:48.960
were facing, you know, you
parked closer to the screen you wanted to

2195
02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:50.039
watch. You just turn around.
You turn around to the sea, so

2196
02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:52.119
you turned out. So I turned
around and saw a whole cogan and some

2197
02:15:52.199 --> 02:15:58.079
gremlins and thought, that's probably terrible. I'm not saying it's a great movie,

2198
02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:01.119
but I remember enjoying it. Okay, I like places to see back

2199
02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:03.880
to the futures. I liked all
the weird mutant gremlins. That was probably

2200
02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:07.960
the thing that piqued my childish interest. Yeah, they like there was the

2201
02:16:09.079 --> 02:16:11.680
one with like the different there was
the one dremlin had the bat wings and

2202
02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:16.159
could fly around and like all kinds
of grody shit girls. The one is

2203
02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.079
like the best Christmas movie, I
think, my favorite Christmas movie. Yeah,

2204
02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:22.600
so good. Do you guys spend
much time at drive ins? I

2205
02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:26.479
don't know that I've ever actually watched
a movie the drive in. I saw

2206
02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:30.840
Bambi at a drive in. It's
heavy metal. Heavy Metal is a good

2207
02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:33.959
fucking drive in movie. As a
young child that probably shouldn't have seen heavy

2208
02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:35.559
metal at all. Probably right my
uncle, when I was probably like five

2209
02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:39.120
or six, it took me to
go see heavy Metal in the theater.

2210
02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:43.440
My grandparents farm was really close to
the local drive in theater, and if

2211
02:16:43.440 --> 02:16:46.879
you sat on the fence just right, you could see the movie and kind

2212
02:16:46.920 --> 02:16:50.120
of hear it. Because this is
before the FM transmission stuff, so they

2213
02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:52.399
actually had the boxes that you put
the sound in the car that way,

2214
02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:56.879
ye, so and you could kind
to hear because there were so many different

2215
02:16:56.879 --> 02:16:58.559
boxes turned up. And I remember
they were showing The Joy of Sex and

2216
02:16:58.600 --> 02:17:03.239
we were really interested in trying to
catch some parts of that and sat there

2217
02:17:03.319 --> 02:17:05.840
craning our next trying to like,
look, if we run down the field

2218
02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:11.040
this way, we can kind of
never quite worked out eventually that they tore

2219
02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:15.399
that movie theater down. There's a
walmart there, there's another movie theater that

2220
02:17:15.520 --> 02:17:20.479
was just south of town. Uh
that eventually I think I saw Tron there.

2221
02:17:20.120 --> 02:17:24.760
Whoa, and that's pretty impressive.
But then eventually it became a porno

2222
02:17:24.959 --> 02:17:28.920
drive in theater. You can kind
of see it from the road. That's

2223
02:17:30.079 --> 02:17:33.479
that's fucked up. That's fucked up. So that was another case of like

2224
02:17:33.600 --> 02:17:35.239
you know, when you're driving south
at night, you're like again like as

2225
02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:37.719
a small kid in the back of
a car, like craning your neck trying

2226
02:17:37.719 --> 02:17:41.840
to definitely get a look at that. Yeah, and you get a little

2227
02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:43.840
bit but it was. It's such
an angle that you're just like, that's

2228
02:17:43.879 --> 02:17:46.360
some kind of flesh ye. Also, I don't know what they're doing,

2229
02:17:46.079 --> 02:17:52.479
but that's cool. Movies doesn't seem
legal. They tore down, Yeah,

2230
02:17:54.159 --> 02:17:56.959
clearly it wasn't. Drive ins are
a big part of my childhood. There's

2231
02:17:56.959 --> 02:17:58.680
been a lot of time I don't
have movies. I guess there are still

2232
02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:03.799
so out there, just for like
so Chalgic Value in Atlanta actually had the

2233
02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:07.879
Starlight drive in fantastic and I think
they've got like six screens, all really

2234
02:18:07.959 --> 02:18:11.239
nice digital projectors. Oh, it
was the best going there because we would

2235
02:18:11.239 --> 02:18:13.159
like tailgate, you know, so
we'd go there a little bit early with

2236
02:18:13.239 --> 02:18:16.200
like a grill and stuff, or
maybe like pick up a pizza. Sounds

2237
02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:18.120
awesome. It was. Yeah,
it was the best to get back in

2238
02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:20.520
the car to watch the movie.
H Sometimes. Yeah, we would just

2239
02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:22.520
like open up the back, you
know, blast stereo or whatever. But

2240
02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:26.879
you could pay like six bucks,
but you could, you know, sneak

2241
02:18:26.000 --> 02:18:30.440
to the other screens as well,
so you'd get like three movies per person

2242
02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:33.639
for like six bucks. When you
when you were talking about the FM transmitting

2243
02:18:33.639 --> 02:18:35.479
stuff, you were literally listening to
the movie over your car speakers, like

2244
02:18:35.559 --> 02:18:39.000
through the radio. So if you
had a good stereo, it was awesome.

2245
02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:41.479
Wow, that's kind of cool.
Yeah, previously that they just had

2246
02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:43.360
these little speaker things that you would
like, you know, detach from a

2247
02:18:43.440 --> 02:18:48.399
pole, you know, and clip
it onto your window inside of your car.

2248
02:18:48.360 --> 02:18:52.440
Sounded. Yeah, I've seen that
stuff. Yeah, I've definitely that's

2249
02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:56.159
like the popular image of the drive
through or drive in n I've really missed

2250
02:18:56.200 --> 02:19:00.959
those. Yeah. Almost seems like
it's like there's like a kitchy retro aspect

2251
02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:05.120
to that where people that's probably what
keeps the last few remaining ones afloat.

2252
02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:07.840
People will bring it back a little
bit of starlight. Yeah, like during

2253
02:19:07.879 --> 02:19:09.559
the day actually that it would be
like, you know, either a flea

2254
02:19:09.639 --> 02:19:13.440
market or they would have like themed
events that it would be like you know,

2255
02:19:13.520 --> 02:19:16.520
old hot rods like rocketbilly stuff.
They bring in bands and ships.

2256
02:19:16.559 --> 02:19:18.520
So they didn't embrace that. Yeah, that old, you know, fifty

2257
02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:24.639
sixties lifestyle. It's cool, that's
all right. Two more emails. Here's

2258
02:19:24.680 --> 02:19:26.239
one from Gary and all caps.
How many video games have you played in

2259
02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:33.799
your entire life? Five two hundred
and sixty seven zero one dollar? Jeff

2260
02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:37.440
is yet to find one. Q
Dude, I don't know. I would

2261
02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:41.120
love to know. It's one of
those intangibles that you'll never actually get your

2262
02:19:41.159 --> 02:19:43.600
head around, but I would love
to just Like, what if you just

2263
02:19:43.719 --> 02:19:48.600
sat down with a list of video
games and just look down on the database.

2264
02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:50.760
But like everyone you've ever put your
hands on, I mean, you

2265
02:19:50.879 --> 02:19:54.280
probably forgot about something, but I'm
sure you know, like I guess you

2266
02:19:54.360 --> 02:19:58.159
could ballpark it. I think I
put all like my entire collection on a

2267
02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:01.879
giant on the list at one point, and I was like, oh,

2268
02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:05.680
I'll probably just update this whenever I
play a new game. No, but

2269
02:20:05.799 --> 02:20:09.840
like I think all my old games
are on there, and I think it's

2270
02:20:09.319 --> 02:20:13.360
I don't know, three under or
something on there, So I don't know

2271
02:20:13.440 --> 02:20:16.600
triple that. Yeah, yeah,
I'm sure it's true for most people.

2272
02:20:16.639 --> 02:20:18.799
It certainly was for me Like I
was. I was renting and borrowing games

2273
02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:22.680
like a fiend when I was a
kid, So I certainly played like way

2274
02:20:22.799 --> 02:20:24.760
more games than I actually owned.
And then I could add to that like

2275
02:20:26.520 --> 02:20:30.239
games on my Xbox Live profile and
my Steam profile. Get a reason.

2276
02:20:33.200 --> 02:20:35.040
God, it's got to be in
the thousands, right, So I mean,

2277
02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:39.280
just from what I've cataloged so far, I own just north of three

2278
02:20:39.360 --> 02:20:41.360
thousand games, but I haven't played
all of them. Oh man, there's

2279
02:20:41.360 --> 02:20:45.000
some in television games on that list
that I may have played other places,

2280
02:20:45.079 --> 02:20:46.479
but I haven't played those actual cards. And just like weird stuff like this,

2281
02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:50.840
especially now in the era of like
a zillion indie games coming out on

2282
02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:54.600
Steam all the time and they're all
five bucks things for a quick look.

2283
02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:56.920
At this point, you know,
we're in a position where we touch a

2284
02:20:56.040 --> 02:21:00.719
ton of different games all the time, and many of them are rememerable in

2285
02:21:00.719 --> 02:21:05.600
anyway. Yeah, like we're probably
each putting our hands on like hundreds of

2286
02:21:05.680 --> 02:21:07.200
games a year. Is that So
does that sound inflated? No, that

2287
02:21:07.239 --> 02:21:11.680
sounds that sounds right in some capacity. For thirty seconds, Yeah, the

2288
02:21:11.680 --> 02:21:13.520
same weeks where I, you know, touched three four, you know,

2289
02:21:13.680 --> 02:21:18.879
maybe five games. So gross.
Yeah, I know, that's that's why

2290
02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:30.959
you're That's why you're here, Game
Touchers. Last email comes from Pedro and

2291
02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:37.280
Portugal. He actually snuck into there's
like two different there's two entire emails in

2292
02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:39.840
this email. I don't know if
that's not here, No, why do

2293
02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:43.479
you let this? But they're both
pretty good all right, we'll take them

2294
02:21:43.760 --> 02:21:50.319
number one. After the news of
Peter Dinklage being literally patched out of Destiny,

2295
02:21:50.680 --> 02:21:52.920
I couldn't heal. I couldn't help
but feel a bit apprehensive, not

2296
02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:56.360
because of any opinion on his acting
sums I don't know in the game,

2297
02:21:56.840 --> 02:22:01.000
but rather the idea of a game
company radically altering pre existing portions of a

2298
02:22:01.079 --> 02:22:05.319
game after release. It reminded me
of the controversy regarding the PC port of

2299
02:22:05.399 --> 02:22:09.559
San Andreas, where Rockstar patched out
several songs from the soundtrack due to losing

2300
02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:13.600
the rights YEA, thus making the
game an inferior product than it was when

2301
02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:18.920
the player first bought it. Do
you think this could lead to increasingly malicious

2302
02:22:18.959 --> 02:22:22.639
abuses? Should legislation be put in
place to make sure that the developer or

2303
02:22:22.680 --> 02:22:26.239
publisher cannot make a game inferior after
release or would finding a proper definition of

2304
02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:30.639
inferior make that task impossible. On
the other hand, there are very few

2305
02:22:30.760 --> 02:22:33.440
art forms outside of live performance art
that allow for such continuous alteration at the

2306
02:22:33.520 --> 02:22:37.680
whims of the artist. Regardless of
what George Lucas will have you believe,

2307
02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:41.520
would a single game that changes as
time goes on work. I think if

2308
02:22:41.639 --> 02:22:48.079
you had those sorts of restrictions in
there and the company wanted to say do

2309
02:22:48.319 --> 02:22:52.239
an you an upbres or even patch
the game, and they just would not,

2310
02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:56.879
or the game would just cease being
sold if you couldn't, or they

2311
02:22:56.920 --> 02:23:01.200
would have to like take it off
shelves for a year and like something else.

2312
02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:03.399
You know, it would be worse. Yeah, they're there are way

2313
02:23:03.440 --> 02:23:09.280
more examples of you know, people
improving games with updates rather than than removing

2314
02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:11.399
aspects of them. But like that
is kind of a chilling. It's a

2315
02:23:11.520 --> 02:23:15.600
chilling prospect. But you know,
like games get patched all the time for

2316
02:23:15.680 --> 02:23:18.399
a lot of different reasons. It's
you know, it's inveriably going to be

2317
02:23:18.479 --> 02:23:20.719
happening. Sure, you know,
probably more and more especially, I mean

2318
02:23:20.760 --> 02:23:24.120
you look at MMOs, Like when
you get into game preservation, like that

2319
02:23:24.239 --> 02:23:28.440
stuff, the people that take that
stuff very seriously and want the literal museum

2320
02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:33.959
quality you know, preservation techniques to
be applied. Like that gets really hard

2321
02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:35.600
because then you're like, well,
how do you get an unpatched version of

2322
02:23:35.600 --> 02:23:39.440
an iOS game? Right? Like
are there people out there saving because you

2323
02:23:39.520 --> 02:23:41.680
can save those executables in a way
there's a way to do that, but

2324
02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:46.440
like how many people are doing that? How people care? All takes in

2325
02:23:46.559 --> 02:23:50.440
one, yeah, one one.
The right person has to think of it

2326
02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:52.559
and do it and then distribute it
and then it's out there, right,

2327
02:23:52.680 --> 02:23:54.200
you know, and it gets into
just like MMOs that have gone offline,

2328
02:23:54.239 --> 02:23:56.879
and you know, how do you
play that sort of stuff or even even

2329
02:23:58.040 --> 02:24:01.360
like games that are continuing, like
like why Cataclysm was like the kind of

2330
02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:05.200
the classic example of like a whole
shitload of like very popular content that a

2331
02:24:05.239 --> 02:24:09.840
lot of people experienced and remember fondly
is about to just disappear, like they're

2332
02:24:09.879 --> 02:24:11.440
going to replace it with this whole
new version of the game that changes as

2333
02:24:11.479 --> 02:24:16.000
zillion things and that's just gone.
But obviously people out there run private servers

2334
02:24:16.079 --> 02:24:20.559
for that stuff, and like you
know, original version of Destiny still exists

2335
02:24:20.600 --> 02:24:24.799
on a disc out there somewhere,
and like those consoles haven't been broken open

2336
02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:28.879
yet, but like you could imagine
five or ten years from now, like

2337
02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:33.520
right, maybe somebody will find a
way to resurrect Peter Dinklage's performance in that

2338
02:24:33.639 --> 02:24:37.559
thing, or like it, have
it in some form where you don't have

2339
02:24:37.680 --> 02:24:41.120
to just like emulate a destiny server
just enough to get your dinklage. Yes,

2340
02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:43.239
yeah, something like that. I
don't know like that. Yeah,

2341
02:24:46.120 --> 02:24:48.120
it is a it is a weird
philosophical problems as like, as you see

2342
02:24:48.120 --> 02:24:50.760
more and more attention around game preservation, like you said on the line,

2343
02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:56.680
like more and more people seem interested
in like archiving the culture, you know,

2344
02:24:56.959 --> 02:25:01.079
right, preserving it so that people
who aren't around now can understand what

2345
02:25:01.159 --> 02:25:05.479
it was at some point in the
future. It's a complicated problem. But

2346
02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:09.719
pirates and bootleggers, man, Yeah, yeah, there are a hope for

2347
02:25:09.760 --> 02:25:13.399
the future. Yeah, they gave
they gave us NASCAR last time. We'll

2348
02:25:13.399 --> 02:25:16.319
see what they come up with next. But you're right, it seems like

2349
02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:20.120
it does fall on them because you
know, corporate entities don't give a fuck.

2350
02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:24.559
No, absolutely not, and and
why would you expect them to be

2351
02:25:24.799 --> 02:25:26.920
honestly, like they're they're just slash
and burn to get the profit. You

2352
02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:30.360
know, that that's the their that's
what their motivation is. And it might

2353
02:25:30.440 --> 02:25:33.200
be easier to like, you know, just redo some stuff as opposed to

2354
02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:37.159
like renegotiating licensing deals, you know, especially in the case of like,

2355
02:25:37.319 --> 02:25:39.399
you know, songs being a license
you see that a lot in TV shows.

2356
02:25:39.479 --> 02:25:41.200
You know, we're like, you
know, the opening theme song.

2357
02:25:41.479 --> 02:25:46.079
You know, it was only license
for television, not like syndication or like

2358
02:25:46.200 --> 02:25:50.360
DVD distribution or something like that.
So yeah, there's a lot of different

2359
02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:52.520
factors. That's what's what catched the
State off DVD for a long Yeah,

2360
02:25:52.520 --> 02:25:56.440
oh god, you're right. Yeah. And even still when they did put

2361
02:25:56.479 --> 02:26:00.440
it out, they replaced all the
music, uh, all of it,

2362
02:26:00.440 --> 02:26:01.680
because that was a that was an
MTV joint. Yeah, it was empty,

2363
02:26:01.799 --> 02:26:05.959
so they had right because they were
just pulling the catalog exactly. So

2364
02:26:05.000 --> 02:26:07.959
it was just like straight up music
all over that motherfucker. Yeah. And

2365
02:26:09.079 --> 02:26:13.559
then god, I spent so many
years dying for the State in some form,

2366
02:26:13.600 --> 02:26:15.559
and by the time it finally happened, I'd kind of move on.

2367
02:26:16.000 --> 02:26:20.639
You download all those fucked up looking
vhs as like they're just they're actual ASP

2368
02:26:20.799 --> 02:26:24.719
or rms or whatever. Yeah,
yeah, those are still superior to the

2369
02:26:24.799 --> 02:26:28.719
DVD release because they have actual it's
the real thing. Yep. That's a

2370
02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:33.719
good point. Ye, nightmare buyers
and bootleggers doing the Lord's work, all

2371
02:26:33.799 --> 02:26:35.520
right, here's want to hear cannonball
played over that onetle bit. That's it.

2372
02:26:35.680 --> 02:26:39.639
That's all. God, which skit
was that wasn't there? Was there

2373
02:26:39.760 --> 02:26:43.440
something actually rolling in that thing?
I can't remember what was that. I

2374
02:26:43.479 --> 02:26:46.799
can't remember specifically which one it is
now Sarmons one or somebody somebody right in

2375
02:26:46.879 --> 02:26:50.040
and tell us which is skit from
the state had cannonball in it? I

2376
02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:56.079
know the cannonball video had an actual
cannonball rolling around. Maybe I'm conflating those

2377
02:26:56.120 --> 02:27:00.319
two things. All right, here's
Pedro's second email, and this will be

2378
02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:05.079
the last thing that we do,
speaking of changes. After hearing Jeff wish

2379
02:27:05.159 --> 02:27:09.120
that MGS four had in fact ended
with Snake's suicide, I'd like to ask

2380
02:27:09.200 --> 02:27:11.879
the crew's thoughts on Kojima's actual plans
for the ending. Are you guys familiar

2381
02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:16.520
with this stuff? This must have
been in some interviewer, behind the scenes

2382
02:27:16.520 --> 02:27:20.159
stuff that I had not heard of
until today. Also, big spoilers fremail

2383
02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:22.920
here four. Although this is what
he wanted the ending to be, Well,

2384
02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:24.760
but you just say it had it
did not end, right? I

2385
02:27:24.799 --> 02:27:28.520
mean, that could be a zillion
things. None of this made it into

2386
02:27:28.559 --> 02:27:31.799
the game. Kojima wanted to end
the game with Snake and Audicon turning themselves

2387
02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:37.600
into the authorities and being executed for
their vigilante and criminal actions, presumably dating

2388
02:27:37.639 --> 02:27:41.079
all the way back to the tanker
incident. This is the real reason why

2389
02:27:41.159 --> 02:27:46.840
Here's to You has become part of
the MGS series soundtrack, since the song

2390
02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:50.760
is a tribute to Saco and Vanzetti, to anarchist activists who were executed for

2391
02:27:50.879 --> 02:27:54.120
a crime they did not commit.
Okay, you can wikipedia that that's a

2392
02:27:54.200 --> 02:27:58.959
pretty famous case. The reason this
wasn't in the game, funnily enough,

2393
02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:01.440
wasn't because konan Me threatened to banish
him to the Pachinko mines, but because

2394
02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:07.719
Kojima's own staff mutinied against him.
Uh. The Wikipeda page bears that out.

2395
02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:11.239
It says like the internally like people
were very opposed to that ending,

2396
02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:16.000
so he backpedaled on it. Would
you have preferred to see that ending instead?

2397
02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:20.440
Personally, I would much rather have
seen this instead of the silly ending

2398
02:28:20.520 --> 02:28:22.959
with Snake spending his last months of
life living in the middle of nowhere with

2399
02:28:24.040 --> 02:28:28.719
Audicon and Sonny, with the former
gushing about how awesome he is, which

2400
02:28:28.760 --> 02:28:33.079
to me is probably the biggest bought
dollop of which to me is probably the

2401
02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:35.879
biggest dollop of pandering fan service in
that entire video game. It was fucking

2402
02:28:35.920 --> 02:28:41.760
bullshit. I hated that ending.
Yeah yeah, they're like, yeah,

2403
02:28:41.840 --> 02:28:43.600
like the snake goes on and lives
off in the in the wilderness and stuff.

2404
02:28:43.639 --> 02:28:46.920
I felt was was a big let
down. It was like, and

2405
02:28:46.040 --> 02:28:56.959
then it becomes Commando and everyone lives
ever after. Okay, Sonny is Alana.

2406
02:28:56.120 --> 02:29:00.680
Yeah, Okay, I can see
him. I think I was so

2407
02:29:00.879 --> 02:29:03.639
I was so like shell shocked by
everything else I had seen in that game

2408
02:29:03.680 --> 02:29:05.319
at that point that like I didn't
even know what to make of that last

2409
02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:11.399
five to ten minutes. But yeah, this, this is not the only

2410
02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:15.120
email we got about this potential other
ending, and like, yeah, they

2411
02:29:15.200 --> 02:29:20.040
were literally going to be portrayed by
the world as war criminals and executed.

2412
02:29:20.200 --> 02:29:24.440
I'm I guess I could pay with
that. It fits more in line with

2413
02:29:26.799 --> 02:29:28.920
the events of all of Metal Gear, I guess, yeah, and thematically

2414
02:29:28.959 --> 02:29:33.040
yeah yeah, yeah, but that
saying it's crazy to hear though, Like

2415
02:29:33.120 --> 02:29:35.920
I kind of I feel like I
know I did this, and I'm probably

2416
02:29:35.959 --> 02:29:39.159
most people did. Like they laid
that at Kojima's feet right when that game

2417
02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:43.000
ended and he didn't die off when
the entire thing had been building to that

2418
02:29:43.079 --> 02:29:46.159
moment and then they pulled back.
I think so. Like I kind of

2419
02:29:46.200 --> 02:29:48.639
assumed it was him that he was
afraid to pull the sugar, but it

2420
02:29:48.719 --> 02:29:50.719
sounds like he was ready to go
all the way. Yeah, that would

2421
02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:54.600
have put a very different spin on
the end of that of that arc.

2422
02:29:54.799 --> 02:29:56.159
Yeah, that would have been good. That have been yeah for sure.

2423
02:29:58.319 --> 02:30:01.520
All right. Do you think you
would have had cont roll during your execution?

2424
02:30:01.680 --> 02:30:05.399
Oh? Man, like zoom in, just just zoom in one,

2425
02:30:05.559 --> 02:30:11.520
get on the Kodak and yeah,
man, ask for help. Uh,

2426
02:30:11.959 --> 02:30:16.399
probably they turn on the gas if
you just smash the ketchup bottle on yourself.

2427
02:30:16.440 --> 02:30:20.120
And how would you how would you
execute salids? Make what would you

2428
02:30:20.200 --> 02:30:22.840
do? Firing squad? Yeah?
That seems like the most poetic, right,

2429
02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:26.959
Yeah, especially if it's a military
thing. I guess, I don't

2430
02:30:26.959 --> 02:30:31.120
know, not a military like you
know, kill people. What would be

2431
02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:35.520
a way that would give them an
out? Like gas? Because it was

2432
02:30:35.559 --> 02:30:37.959
a gas that made him unconscious and
then they but he really did really didn't

2433
02:30:37.000 --> 02:30:39.920
kill him. A sentimental coma,
it's a medical comma. Then he was

2434
02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:43.639
in a comma for all this time
and the Nanto machines deployed the antidote.

2435
02:30:43.719 --> 02:30:48.120
Yeah, radiation does not work.
I've seen that clearly. Nope, nope,

2436
02:30:48.280 --> 02:30:52.000
that is the case. All right, thank you Pedro and everyone else

2437
02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:56.399
who wrote in podcast chip on dot
com. I mean, if you,

2438
02:30:56.479 --> 02:31:00.280
if you, if like, if
you kill him, there is always the

2439
02:31:00.360 --> 02:31:05.760
potential he could come back, right
as an AI as something stupid. Yeah,

2440
02:31:07.200 --> 02:31:11.680
I mean if you have him retire, he's retired, unless he doesn't

2441
02:31:11.719 --> 02:31:15.319
want to be. He could always
come out of retirement. That's how you

2442
02:31:15.399 --> 02:31:18.200
can, right, you take away
his job. I don't know what reason

2443
02:31:18.920 --> 02:31:22.159
for living. After they reanimated the
corpse of Big Boss, like all bets

2444
02:31:22.200 --> 02:31:26.399
were off, like literally, nothing
is permanent anymore. Yeah, right,

2445
02:31:26.799 --> 02:31:31.360
And there are so many situations by
which they could to create another solid snake

2446
02:31:31.399 --> 02:31:33.959
clone and oh yeah we had another, like a fourth clone was over here

2447
02:31:35.040 --> 02:31:37.840
the whole time that you didn't know
about. Shit stupid. Yep, you

2448
02:31:37.920 --> 02:31:41.239
just gotta surrender your brain and go
with it. Yeah, I guess.

2449
02:31:41.280 --> 02:31:45.239
So it's good advice. I thought
it was a fine ending for next week.

2450
02:31:45.559 --> 02:31:48.040
Yeah it's not. Yeah, there's
nothing wrong with it. Yeah,

2451
02:31:50.040 --> 02:31:54.600
well, okay, that's maybe not
you could pick a few things. Yeah,

2452
02:31:56.040 --> 02:31:58.559
it is a fine ending, you're
right. Opinions, yes indeed.

2453
02:32:00.719 --> 02:32:03.840
Uh. Well, we will bring
these and many other opinions with us to

2454
02:32:03.879 --> 02:32:07.079
Seattle here in a couple of days. Yeah, uh, and put them

2455
02:32:07.120 --> 02:32:11.639
on display for the world. Let's
do then wear it on our shirt.

2456
02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:13.920
That sounds fun. Yeah, wear
it on your sleeve. Yeah. Uh,

2457
02:32:15.799 --> 02:32:18.040
all right, make sure a shot. That's what I don't Yeah,

2458
02:32:18.200 --> 02:32:20.399
I should have done it. Should
just put them just pulled our two yourself.

2459
02:32:20.799 --> 02:32:24.600
Just make it happen. All right. Well, let's get out of

2460
02:32:24.600 --> 02:32:30.079
here and finish up our last little
preparations and go get on airplanes okay,

2461
02:32:30.280 --> 02:32:35.000
and head up to packs. But
we'll be back way before next Tuesday.

2462
02:32:35.120 --> 02:32:37.000
Right. Yeah, they'll be stuff
on the site, so there will be

2463
02:32:37.200 --> 02:32:41.319
Yeah, there'll be stuff for next
week's releases. But also our live streams

2464
02:32:41.319 --> 02:32:43.680
are in the upcoming module. Yeah
front door. Yeah you can find that

2465
02:32:43.680 --> 02:32:46.399
stuff there else else where's the info
on like the venue and stuff? It's

2466
02:32:46.440 --> 02:32:50.479
on our Facebook page. Okay,
you're can go find the jiant bomb facebook

2467
02:32:50.479 --> 02:32:52.600
page. There are Facebook events.
Great. I for all that stuff,

2468
02:32:52.639 --> 02:32:56.200
we probably should write something and post
it on the site itself. But no

2469
02:32:56.280 --> 02:32:58.879
one has done that yet. Yes, and we're rapidly rung out of time.

2470
02:32:58.920 --> 02:33:03.040
But that stuff is there and on
our forums, I take it.

2471
02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:07.159
Yes, yes, yes, all
right, we'll find all that stuff on

2472
02:33:07.159 --> 02:33:09.360
the site we're on Facebook. Yeah. If you're going to PAX, we'll

2473
02:33:09.360 --> 02:33:13.159
see there. Yeah. If you're
not, then watch us do stuff.

2474
02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:18.479
Come say high. If not,
then later skaters people always freak out and

2475
02:33:18.719 --> 02:33:20.680
say, oh, I didn't know. If you know, you didn't want

2476
02:33:20.680 --> 02:33:22.280
to us to say hi, come
say high. Yeah, that's pretty much

2477
02:33:22.319 --> 02:33:26.319
why we're there. We'll tell you
if we're late for something, yes,

2478
02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:28.520
yes, which case is sorry,
but we're late for something. That's I

2479
02:33:28.600 --> 02:33:31.840
feel like that is that is always
a valid excuse, Like you can never

2480
02:33:31.959 --> 02:33:35.600
not get away with hey i'm late
for a meeting, I gotta go.

2481
02:33:35.760 --> 02:33:39.200
Yeah it work. Walking by high
fives are always safe. Yes, Like

2482
02:33:39.319 --> 02:33:43.079
if we seem like we're busy and
we're you know, running towards something,

2483
02:33:43.280 --> 02:33:45.479
Yeah, yeah, I may give
you a fist bump. And yes,

2484
02:33:45.639 --> 02:33:48.079
I was gonna say if you're if
you're concernsed of if you're concerned about convention

2485
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:52.760
disease, the sanitary fist or elbow
bump is always accepted. Yeah, somebody

2486
02:33:52.799 --> 02:33:56.360
elbow bumped me last year. Yeah, it's like I had not seen that

2487
02:33:56.440 --> 02:33:58.319
before that. Yeah, the first
time, and he kept pushing his elbow

2488
02:33:58.319 --> 02:34:01.639
towards me. I'm not like,
what the fuck are you if I'm if

2489
02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:05.360
I'm not mistaken? Right? That
started Gary, maybe right and started,

2490
02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:07.760
but he introduced me to it.
That's the first time I saw it.

2491
02:34:07.879 --> 02:34:11.799
I think that is a bit of
a pack thing. Keep it, keep

2492
02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:16.600
it clean. Mm hmm. Still
after dark, yes, then anything goes

2493
02:34:16.799 --> 02:34:20.520
yep, believe you me. All
Right, we're gonna get out of here,

2494
02:34:20.559 --> 02:34:24.360
but we will be back next week, just in time to post another

2495
02:34:24.399 --> 02:34:26.159
giant bodcast, Mother Figures