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Oh, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Wills, your host,

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and we have a great guest who
I a person I consider a friend,

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Matthew Roberts coming up here in just
a moment this week Charles A. Blear.

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This blog is a nineteen ninety one
UFO Crop Circle investigation by Paranet slash

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micap. Great blogs, as usual
by Charles Lee are always very informative,

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and so our guests. It's funny. I was watching Netflix, or I

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turned on Netflix recently, and you
go to your homepage and all of a

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sudden, there's Matthew and I go, oh, great, you know in

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the Encounters series on Netflix. Anyway, it just reminded me I reach out.

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He hasn't been on for quite a
while, and I always enjoy his

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company, and so I'm going to
bring him in right now. Matthew,

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welcome to the show. Wepe so
you're muted, Matthew. Yeah, sorry,

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everyone does that, don't worry.
Yeah, it's great to be back.

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Thanks for having me, Martin.
Yeah, yeah, it's it was

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really something to see. Oh.
I first of all, I should say

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this is a pre recorded show,
but how I do pre recorded shows,

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generally speaking, is I just do
him exactly like a live show, and

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you have a work conflict, so
you couldn't do it at our regular time,

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and so I just do them just
the way they are. I don't

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edit, but I usually am able
to be in the chat room, and

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this this week I will be as
well and interact that way. But so

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glad to have you back. So
yeah, you're all of a sudden,

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you're taking up my whole big screen
TV here, and I'm saying, oh

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my god, Matthew, that's awesome. So I'm so glad that you were

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asked to be on that series and
a great job. What was that like?

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Well, first of all, we
should backtrack because you haven't been on

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for a couple of years, and
we'll talk about all that stuff as we

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go along. But I would like
to just for someone who didn't catch you

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the first time you were on the
Roosevelt, and you were on the Roosevelt

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when the gimbal video was recorded and
you saw it firsthand, So I'd like

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to talk about I guess that would
be what sparked your interest in this topic

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to begin with, or did you
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did you have kind of a interest
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I did not. I had no
interest in this topic whatsoever. And

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I I think, just like everyone
else, my interest was sparked by the

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New York Times article in twenty seventeen. Obviously, because when that article came

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out, they also there was a
release of the gimbal footage, right that

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is, that was really what kind
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I never expected that I would ever
see that footage again. I never

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you know, I thought, if
this is something, it's some program,

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I'm I'm not read into it.
I don't work on it, so I'll

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never know, you know. So
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twenty fifteen until twenty seventeen when I
saw it again. And then the New

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York Times article came out. There
were some people associated in that article to

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the Stars Academy, and so I
just I started the analyst and me came

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out and I started to drill down
on that, you know, you know,

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to have these people written books,
you know, So I started reading

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Tom DeLong stuff, and then I
started reading some Jacques Vala, and then

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shortly thereafter my personal experiences started with
the phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, I

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know and what those experiences are quite
amazing. I'll never forget when you first

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told me that, I was like
kind of shocked because you have you are

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also in naval intelligence, is that? Yeah? So I was on the

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Theodore Roosevelt in twenty fifteen and then
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Office of Naval Intelligence in Washington,
DC. And that's where I was when

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the New York Times article hit,
and Uh, I started to have these

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follow on experiences. I guess,
I guess now you know post uh James

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Lecatzy's book, we would call that, you know, the hitchhiker effect.

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Maybe you know so, and we'll
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all, I'd like to talk about
what your experience was like on the ship.

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What was there a buzz was uh? You know, were people talking

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about, hey, you know,
there's something crazy going on here? I

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mean, how did all that come
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video there for the first time?
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an edited version where it takes on, you know, a lot of the

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glare that you often see in it. But anyway, so when this happened,

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what was it like there? Yeah, so uh, you know,

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people would have would think that maybe
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but it really wasn't because it wasn't
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mean, there's there's like five thousand
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if you didn't work for the air
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didn't know about this, you know, you didn't know this was going on.

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So but but I did, you
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you know, I I there were
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specifically, and I put it in
the book that I was going into Civic

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one day for an intel brief and
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of the doorway into the briefing room, and one of them said to the

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other one, Hey, do you
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about the UFOs And the other one's
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you know, And I just kind
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past them because I didn't want any
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just didn't. I mean, and
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I was made aware of this when
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mine worked kind of more closely with
the pilots than I ever did. We

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were kind of sitting around in my
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another skiff and he walks in and
he's like, hey, you're not going

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to believe this. He's like,
look at this, right, and so

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he tells me where it is.
I pull it up on my computer and

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you know, that was the first
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was also the go fast footage was
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that I should know that that they
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me ask you this. We always
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a couple of seconds here, how
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understand is there's some classified situations or
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to be cropped out of that,
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brief little video. Did you get
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or was yours short like that as
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same length clip that I remember seeing. Yeah, I did not see a

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longer version of that, but there
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I mean I would like to and
those videos still exist. We know they

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do they have to. And I
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why we're not seeing them because I'd
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you probably would too. Were there
any other you know, unusual things that

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they saw while they were observing this? Yeah, uh well there were there

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were other things, and hopefully,
I mean hopefully that story will be told

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one day, hm hmm. And
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these things happen, right, They
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the Nimits is another example of this
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I guess, I guess what I'm
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the Theodore Roosevelt didn't seem to be
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but they did to us at the
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you know, uh something totally out
of the ordinary obviously. But but you

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know, and I and I one
of the things that I like to talk

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about is just that I wish that
they would release footage and and images of

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stuff that is unambiguous, right right, the stuff they've released so far,

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it's like, oh, well that
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It's a joke, right, we
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have better stuff than that. You
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with the stuff that is if you
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no question. That is not a
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bone. Yeah, it is exactly
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I mean, yeah, but let's
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think that's uh, you know,
I mean that that goes along with softening

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the edges. I think it's kind
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I mean, I've talked about this
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the way he does it. But
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a couple of months ago, James
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Shermer was there, and Michael Shermer
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on and onto the details and then
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And then James is getting if he's
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chance to talk and he says,
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we figured out. We don't want
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That's not what we're interested in.
That's not what we should be talking about.

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We should be talking about the ones
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out. And uh and then Sherman
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was just a little clip that was
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reply to that. And you know, but really there's you know, they

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have some great stuff and uh,
you know, and and and how much

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of it would be a class classification
issue for some type of secrecy? I

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don't know, you know, I
mean, I don't know what you're what

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you could speculate on that. Do
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things that could be released that wouldn't
jeopardize anything anyone? I would think that

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there those things certainly exist. I
mean, I I with with some of

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the satellite imagery, I'm not sure
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because you know, you don't want
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you know, public images of They
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they they when that when that uh
Russian plane dump fuel on one of our

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one of our drones, you know, they they came out with that footage.

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So so what what what what we're
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not a mystery. Everybody knows it. They've they've made footage like that public

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and they do it all the time. So why can't they show us something

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anomalous that was captured in that same
way. Now, I'm going to ask

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you a question that I asked a
little bit differently, but to Louel Zondo

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as well, and that is were
you were you overhearing things that you can't

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talk about that makes this even more
amazing? Or would you not even want

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to go there? Uh? You
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about what you can't talk about?
Yeah, because it's class because you were

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in a classified situation. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I

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mean there is people don't know it
yet. But this topic is, this

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is huge, and it touches every
facet of your life, everyone's life.

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And I feel like people should be
outraged that this is being kept from them.

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You know. I I you know, I would drive to work and

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I would see people just passing me
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I'd go into a convenience store or
get gas or something, and I just

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look around and I'm just like these
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And and that's just not right.
I think that way often myself,

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you know, I think about those
things and yeah, I mean, what

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did you think about the whole UAP
hearing. I don't I was there by

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the way I made it there.
Do you think that's a Do you think

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that was a positive thing? I
do. I think though that I think

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a lot of people when it came
to Grussia's testimony, are a little standoffish

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about that, in the same way
that I think that they're kind of a

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little bit standoffish about encounters. I
think I think they like to watch it,

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right, and it's kind of a
scary story around Halloween time. But

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but you've got to understand this stuff
is real, right, this is this

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is not a joke, and and
it's so serious too. I mean,

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louel A Zondo uses words like somber
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same sentiment myself. Mm hmmm.
And And why can't people know, you

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know, I mean, it's only
holding us back, it's holding us back,

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and it's it's time. Do you
think? Uh? And I know

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I said this last week and last
week's show, but do you think that

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part of the reason that this is
kept secret is because they really don't know

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the whole thing, and maybe they
don't. They can't say how they can

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protect us from these sayings that are
here. I think that I I honestly

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think that one of the reasons it's
it's still a secret is that nobody wants

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to talk about it. Right.
Who wants to go? What politician up?

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Up until those hearings, right?
What politicians? Right? I wanted

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to stand there in front of a
microphone and say, this stuff is real

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and guess what it's going to get
even weirder? Yeah, So so,

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I mean the weirdness factor to this, uh, I mean that goes on

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as far as the eye can see. I mean, and so I think

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that that makes a lot of people
very uncomfortable because, yeah, you know,

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you start to think about, well, you know, what is reality?

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Then exactly if this is what it
is and it's really it's going to

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upset your worldview? It will.
But I think for the better, right,

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I mean, it's better to know, although we don't really have the

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whole picture, but still, you
know, you look at like most people

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want to look at basically the nuts
and bolts of the UFOs, you know,

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like UFO sighting, What could it
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thing, but not going to the
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out there and he started talking about
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everybody's like whoa, whoa, whoa. When I went visited my sister

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at a lake, you know,
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out this year, and I started
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nieces and everyone's eyes are glazing over
and you know, five seconds in like

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that, and they're not even look, you know, they're they're thinking about

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what's for dinner. They don't they
don't want to talk about Now. If

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I just said, well, you
know this amazing ufo, you know,

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over whatever, then that would have
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as soon as you start saying like
crashed and you know there's possibly bodies here

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and you know, stuff like that, they don't want to talk about that

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at all. And you know,
that is the part that makes people uncomfortable

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than things that happened to you are
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And I get it, you know, I mean, it's it's a uh.

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I would I would say initiated,
I start to think, like I try

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to empathize and think, what would
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I would be curled up in the
ball like you mentioned a few times.

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That's how I would handle something like
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I just I can't imagine living a
functional life and having this kind of going

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on in the background. And you
actually left before retirement. And did any

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of that have to do with things
that were going on or was it just

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life changes? Well? It was
both. I mean, I once I

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realized that this was happening to me, and I realized kind of the truth

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of it, and that the reality
we all live in is not what we

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think it is, yea. And
the fact that you know, that kind

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of stuff is kept from people like
we're not able to discover that because they've

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got this secret locked up, right, I just to me, that was

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that's abhorrent, right. I don't
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I thought to myself, I can't
do this anymore. I've only got four

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years left to retirement, but I
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a retirement. It just didn't feel
right, you know, I've thought I've

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got to talk about this. This
is crazy, you know, and people

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need to know that this is a
real thing, you know. I mean

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a lot of people like to associate
people who are experiencers or who have had

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experiences as you know, these tinfoil
hat wearin crazy people. But I can,

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I mean, you can see I'm
totally functional. I'm not. Yeah,

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after hanging with you too. Also, oh, I should mention this

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just like a sort of a shout
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this. But we had such a
great time. Yeah, when I was

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out in Phoenix and we were hanging
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it was Mark d' antonio with Stacey
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and Dave and uh we oh my
god. We just had such a great

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night. That was so much fun. I didn't want it to end.

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And but and then we met up
earlier in the day. But I'm sorry

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I took I just had to take
that jag in case any of these people

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might be listening. So that was
just that was a blast. But yes,

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you were. I would I would
call you totally functional, and I

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would think, uh if I recall
right, didn't people kind of lean on

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you for advice and things like that
a lot of times because of your demeanor

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and all that. Yeah, I
mean, uh, you know, people

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at past jobs or even in the
Navy. I had a boss in the

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Navy at one point that said to
me, you know, you are the

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most level headed person I have ever
known. You know, right, you

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have that you have that way about
you, certainly right, And and I

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mean that's just the way I am. I I've always been that way,

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and I continue to be that way. These these experiences have not changed that.

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But I do have a moral compass, right, and so I I

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couldn't justify remaining silent about this because
I know that there are a lot of

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people who start to go through these
things. And if you if you go

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visit a psychiatrist today and you tell
them I'm seeing non humans in my room

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at night, right, they're gonna
You're automatically going to be diagnosed with something

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like psychosis or zophrenia and and these
depending on what you do for a living,

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that could be a career ending diagnosis. And if that's not the truth

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of what's happening here, then what
are we doing to people? You know?

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And that is that is what I
take issue with, you know,

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And people say, oh, you
join the military, the military is what

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it is, but you got to
understand there's a line, right, And

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I feel like when when we're when
we're lying about this too American citizens,

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right, and we're just totally okay
with the fact that people's careers are being

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ended because they're diagnosed with these mental
conditions that aren't really the reflecting the reality

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of what's happening. To me,
that's just it's disturbing. It's disturbing,

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and it's immoral and I couldn't do
it. I wouldn't do it, you

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know. Right. Have you ever
you know, spoken like to other people

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that are also experiencing similar encounters like
I'm talking about like support, because I've

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I've gone to a couple of those
groups at you know, conferences, and

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they seem very supportive of each other. And I'm just wondering, have you

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ever tried anything like that yourself?
Yeah? I mean, I so,

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I have my email address up on
my Facebook page. A lot of people

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tell me you probably shouldn't do that, you know, but but I,

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you know, I I feel like
I've been through something and if and if

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I can help someone else, then
that's what I'm gonna do, you know

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what I mean? And I had
I I the stories I've got. I

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mean, I won't use any names, but there's there was a guy that

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was reading my book that was going
through this, and I didn't I he

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reached out to me. He came
across my book in like this very paranormal,

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frightening way, and he started reading
it. He started having these experiences,

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and his family, his wife in
particular, hated that book, right

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because because she thought he was just
like slowly losing his mind, right,

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And so he reached out to me, you know. And he he had

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told his wife before the phone call
that I had with him that one of

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two things was going to happen at
the end of this phone call. Either

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he was going to be okay or
they were going to drive the hospital and

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check him in for mental health.
Wow. Yeah, and that that's that

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to me is just too much,
right, Like we we don't need to

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be doing that, like uh and
and so and so he was like,

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you know, is this real?
You know, is this really happening to

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me? And I said, yes, you know, the experiences you're having

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are valid. They're real, just
as real as your hand in front of

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your face, and just remain grounded, you know, don't let this uh

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you know, what would be the
right word for it, you know,

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just remain grounded in life and and
and with these experiences and see what they're

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telling you. You know, see
what these experiences are teaching you, because

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there is a point, you know. And and so he's fine now you

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know that's good. But oh yeah, yeah, he's doing X. And

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it was funny because you know,
I didn't know that that all of that

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was going to happen before this phone
call. I didn't know that he had

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said that to his wife, and
I didn't know that he had he had

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family actually gathered at the house,
like they were all waiting for this.

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Oh my god. Wow. It
was almost like an intervention type of thing.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty
serious. How about that. So

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let's let's talk a little bit about
I want to ask you how long after

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you first you know, we're talking
about the hitchhiker type thing, whatever it

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is. So many people talk about
that type of situation like it's almost like

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it opens a door. If it's
not a hitchhiker situation, it's opening a

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door to another whatever. To come
in. This happened, and I believe

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you said twenty fifteen right on.
So you're there and then you you change

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jobs into the intelligence part and all
that, you're off the ship and everything.

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When did something show up? It
was shortly after the New York Times

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article and I started to dig into
it. That was that was when things

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started before I because I had just
pushed it off right. It was like

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I'll never know, you know,
yep. But then when I had something

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to dig into, you know,
suddenly there's some meat there and and so

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I started to dig and then that's
it was. It was almost immediately the

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weirdness started, you know, it
was it was unreal. Really. Yeah,

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I don't know if you cared it
to talk about it, but or

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in a general way whatever you'd like
to do. Yeah, I mean,

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so, something that is common among
experiencers is this book called The Kabalian by

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the three An How many experiencers I've
come across that I don't know, I've

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never talked to them, or I
come across them on Reddit and I say,

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hey, have you read the Kabalian
yet? And they're a little taken

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aback by it because they're like,
either yeah, I read it or no,

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it's on my reading list. It's
on my nightstand right now. Huh.

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You know. And and so I
certainly came across that book in a

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very frightening paranormal way through a series
of just impossible coincidences that just totally rocked

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me. Yeah, I remember you
lay that all out in your book.

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Yeah, how you know, like
someone just saying something I think at an

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outdoor cafe. I can't remember what
it was, but yeah, something just

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clicked with you and and made you
look into that now. Is that I

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can't remember? I know I produced
a donna by the way, she says,

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Hi, she got that book right
away after you first were on my

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show. I've never I might have
peeked at it. I don't think I've

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ever read much in it. But
anyways, this in like an old I've

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just remind me and for the person
that's unfamiliar with what it is. Yeah,

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So it's that this book was written
over one hundred years ago by a

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guy named William Walker Atkinson. All
right, yeah, yeah, and it's

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it supposedly was written anonymously by the
Three Initiates, is what it officially says.

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It's the Kabbalian by the Three Initiates, and it just gives kind of

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a synopsis of the these seven laws
that govern the universe. And seemingly that's

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very simple, right, But then
you when you crack this book open,

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and a lot of people love this
book. It talks about these seven principles,

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but those seven principles you can see
how they like pervade everything, right,

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and so it just becomes this very
surreal thing to read because you think

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everything around us, you think of
it, it's just so complex. How

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could it? How could it be
just seven principles? You know? But

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but it really is kind of that
simple because you you kind of realize that

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the universe is just every and everything
in it. It's all just one thing,

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and so that simplifies things measurably,
right, and then you can describe

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the universe and seven principles, you
know, and and so so it's kind

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of an esoteric book and it just
very simply lays out these these simple principles.

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But then, like I said,
you start to dig into that and

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it's like, wow, you know
this, this actually is everything, you

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know? And so when you say
that people a lot of these people that

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you speak to are into this,
have already looked into it. I wonder

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what that connection is. Why all
of a sudden they're reading the same book

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that you're reading. I mean,
it's not like on you go online and

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say what should experiencers read? Right? Yeah? Like that? Right?

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Oh yeah, yeah, I mean
it was it was you come across very

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paranormal and scary way, and it's
you can't ignore it, you know,

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I, or at least I couldn't. You know. It was clear to

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me that the universe was saying you
will read this book, because it was

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something that I came across, right, and I was I was not a

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religious person, I was not a
spiritual person, and in my search I

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came across this book and I read
the synopsis, and I was like,

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and in the synopsis it said that
there's no such thing as coincidence, right,

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and that everything happens for a reason, and it happens according to law,

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a universal law, but we call
it a coincidence because we don't understand

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the law that's associated with it.
And so I was like, well,

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that's that's just nonsense. It's too
far out there, you know. But

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then I had this day long series
of just terrifying coincidences. The next day,

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right after reading this synopsis and deciding
I wasn't going to read it,

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and then and then that all culminated
with me at this gas station, random

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gas station at midnight. And I'm
at this point, I'm terrified, right

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because of these series of events that
is just unfolded throughout the day. And

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I'm walking up to this table because
I knew that I was at this gas

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station for a certain reason, because
of all of these coincidences kind of culminating

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in this. And there was like
this homeless man who was sitting with these

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two women who were like dressed to
the nines in like professional business attire.

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They look like the civilian women I
work with, and like they were going

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to go brief congress, that's what
they looked like. But they're at a

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gas station, eating outside with a
homeless man at midnight. And it was

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like by the Free Way. It
was like a bad part of town,

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right wow. And so I'm like, this is not this shouldn't be happening,

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you know. And as I'm walking
past them, one of the women

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points at the homeless guy and she's
like, you see, there's no such

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thing as coincidence. Everything happens for
a reason. And she said, you

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know, I never sit at places
like this, but something told me to

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sit here tonight. M And I
was with that. I walked into the

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convenience store and I was like,
no way, did that lady just say

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that. There's no way, you
know, And then I remembered the Kabalian

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and I was like, that's exactly
what that book said. I have to

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read that book, you know.
So yeah, so what what were if

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you care to speak about it?
Like I said, because I'm sure people

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are curious of how are these things
that have happened to you? Have they

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happened always at nighttime? First of
all, as far as I know you

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had like this visual sighting, you
know, during during the day, like

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a football type type of situation like
that. But I mean as far as

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like the beings, the non human
let's call them that, showing up,

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was it always at Was it always
at nighttime? And were you, you

410
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,559
know, people always The first thing
everybody says is sleep paralysis. You know,

411
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,679
you do see weird things and stuff
like that. So let's just talk

412
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,079
about what that was like if you
can. Well, yeah, I mean,

413
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,679
so there were experiences that I also
had during the day. Like I

414
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:45,760
there was one instance where, you
know, I was just terrified. I

415
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:52,679
hadn't been sleeping, and I just
I needed to take my mind off of

416
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,559
all of this. And it was
it was afternoon sometime, you know,

417
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,480
and so I walked outside on my
cell phone and I was trying to call

418
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:06,639
a buddy of mine just to talk
about anything, right, I didn't care

419
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,440
what it was. You want to
talk about sheep hurting, Let's talk about

420
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:15,800
that, Like, I don't you
know, anything but this, because I

421
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,119
was just tired of it and terrified. But so I'm standing there, you

422
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:25,599
know, and the phone is ringing, He's not picking up, and it

423
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,920
became apparent to me that he probably
wasn't going to answer, or he's busy.

424
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,719
And then all of a sudden,
I feel someone pushed the cell phone

425
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,599
from behind me so hard that I
almost drop it, right, And so

426
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,280
I hung up the call, and
I turned around with a smile on my

427
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,679
face. I expected to see my
roommate standing behind me, you know,

428
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:54,360
pulling a prank or something, you
know, and my smile turned to horror

429
00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:01,920
when I realized that there was no
one there, you know, And so

430
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,920
I just I ran back in the
house and just kind of sat in my

431
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,440
room, and I was just like, what is going on? Why am

432
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,800
I being tortured like this? You
know? And then later that night,

433
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,559
I went down to my truck and
I you know, I was sitting there

434
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,079
and I called my brother just to
kind of and I was going to finally

435
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:32,119
tell him about everything that had been
happening with me. And as I'm calling

436
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:37,679
my brother in my truck, it
happened again, like someone pushed on the

437
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:45,199
cell phone so hard that it almost
fell out of my hand. But I

438
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,280
was in my truck like that,
there was nothing. There's no seat behind

439
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:55,960
me, it was just the window
and the metal truck. So at that

440
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,079
point I didn't even turn around.
I was like, I know, I

441
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,239
know what that is. There's nobody
back there, you know what I mean.

442
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,119
So I just continued to call my
brother. And so, yeah,

443
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:19,440
there were there were times during the
things happened. Certainly some of those coincidences

444
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,920
that led me that gas stahould happen
during the day. Uh. And uh

445
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:30,519
so it's not all just sleep paral. You can't just explain this away as

446
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:37,679
sleep paralysis because because those sleep paralysis
h experiences, Uh, if you want

447
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:45,280
to call it sleep paralysis. They
they fit in with these other experiences that

448
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,119
were happening in the day that were
also equally terrifying, you know. And

449
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:57,559
I was obviously walking around or totally
awake when these things happened. So yeah,

450
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,119
and I'm not trying to just so
you know, I'm not try oh

451
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,960
yeah, say this is you know, hey, uh, Matthew, you're

452
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,400
just having sleep prousis. I'm not
trying to say that, but I'm just

453
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,559
saying that, you know, that's
what a lot of people, a lot

454
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,440
of try to maybe you know,
yeah, you hear that all the time,

455
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,920
you know, and I know,
weird things do happen, but but

456
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:22,679
still you've had, uh, after
reading your book and getting into the details,

457
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,800
you've had some you know, very
I would do, I dare say,

458
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,920
intimate encounters and uh, you know, things that were really you know,

459
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,320
uh yeah, I'm kind of mind
blowing. I was kind of shocked

460
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,199
by some of the stuff that I
that I read. So let me ask

461
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:45,280
you this, Are they these things
still happening? Uh yeah, I mean,

462
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:51,079
well not not to the extent that
they were. They've kind of there's

463
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:57,719
something else now there. It's nothing
like It was because about halfway through all

464
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,519
of this, this this is all
the took place over the course of about

465
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:09,679
nine months, and it was it
had a very definite beginning, a middle,

466
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,199
and an end, you know,
and then it became something else entirely.

467
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:22,719
So I have different kinds of experiences
now where I'll either hear a voice,

468
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:28,239
you know, as I'm waking up
that will tell me things, or

469
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,119
and just after I published the book, I started to get immediately started to

470
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,119
get flack for it right online.
But we all know how Twitter is.

471
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,840
Yeah, So anyway, this isn't
something I talked to anybody about, but

472
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:52,039
I was like, I was thinking
to myself one night before I was going

473
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,119
to bed, I was like,
what am I doing. I was like,

474
00:41:54,599 --> 00:42:00,360
I can just take this book down
and forget this whole thing. You

475
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:07,760
know. I don't need this,
you know, and why be a messenger

476
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,000
delivering this message that people seemingly don't
want to hear. So I was like,

477
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760
forget it. I'm going to take
this down in the morning and just

478
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:22,039
forget this whole thing. Wow.
So anyway, that night, I you

479
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,320
know, go to sleep and my
mother, my mother appears to me in

480
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,880
my dream and she says Matthew,
don't you dare take that book down.

481
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:37,400
It's too important, right, And
she passed away in twenty ten and then

482
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,079
or twenty fifteen actually, And then
when I started waking from that dream,

483
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,400
I heard the voice telling me that
I needed to be more like a coconut

484
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:52,360
dragon. And I was like,
I was like, what is a coconut

485
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,320
dragon? Yeah? So I looked
it up on Google and it's like a

486
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,199
kid's cartoon or something like that,
and these these dragons are born in coconut

487
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,440
trees and and they have a really
thick skin so that after the egg hatches,

488
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,199
they fall out of the coconut tree
and they don't get hurt with their

489
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,199
thick skin. So, uh so
I was like, oh, I get

490
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,840
it. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah, well, I

491
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,679
mean you think of that one that
one guy that you helped, you know.

492
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:28,280
I mean when I think of things
like that, things become really worth

493
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,800
it, you know, whatever it
is. Uh, it's it's important,

494
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:36,039
I think, you know, to
to get it out there. And and

495
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,480
you know, just you're always going
to get the negatives, you know,

496
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:43,400
It's just the way it is.
I mean, I uh, I get

497
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,400
emails and posts all the time,
and it's the way it is. And

498
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,440
and but you're just going to be
happy with what you're doing. And that's

499
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,199
how I that's my philosophy anyway.
So uh, let's see so this.

500
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,159
I guess there was a question has
had for you and it just slipped my

501
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:08,920
mind. I hate when that happens. But I guess one of the things

502
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,480
we could talk about is, you
know, what do you what do you

503
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:19,079
think this is? Do you think
we're moving in a positive direction where we'll

504
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,559
actually no more? I know we
talked about the you know, grush and

505
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,840
all that, but does it does
it feel like we're making some headway or

506
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,039
do you think it's the window dressing
again and uh, you know, one

507
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:36,039
step forward to back type of thing, you know. I I don't I

508
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:44,639
don't really know. I would hope
that we're we're making progress and that something

509
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,880
will be made public. Uh,
but but I don't know. I don't

510
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,960
know how this is going to end
up. And I think that I think

511
00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:00,320
people need to continue to apply pressure
to their elected representatives. Yeah, so

512
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,519
if you have not written to them
and have not called yet, do so.

513
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,480
I mean, it's it's it's very
important. And so I I I

514
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:17,320
do have hope that that something's going
to shift here. And I and I

515
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,400
saw a tweet recently, you know, Loue Elizondo talking about how, you

516
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,199
know, the tide is turning.
It's it's it's becoming more difficult for them

517
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:35,320
to keep this secret and as it
should be. You know. Yeah,

518
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,679
yeah, I know what I was
going to ask, you know, Okay,

519
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:45,000
so let's hear how it all happened, how you were contacted for encounters

520
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,800
and how all that thing uh you
know, worked out, and what it

521
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,280
was like. Yeah, it was
that was kind of it was an amazing

522
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,679
experience. I mean, I I
loved it. I mean it was it

523
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,199
was great. I I I'm the
kind of person though that I like to

524
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:08,199
be wallpaper in a room, you
know, and so so so it was

525
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:15,159
a little unnerving to be in front
of all of these cameras and they were

526
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,599
like grilling me for eight hours.
I think I wondered how long. Yeah,

527
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,920
it went on for about eight hours
one day. I filmed my portion

528
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:30,280
of that in in London on the
fifth of November last this past November.

529
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,559
Yeah, and uh, you know, it was the crew was great directed

530
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,440
we actually fly to London yes,
they did. Oh my god, it's

531
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,480
wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. At
first they were going to do it in

532
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:53,440
la when I had agreed to do
it, and uh it was I was

533
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,559
okay with that, you know,
because I could drive there. I'm in

534
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,440
Arizona, so it's real cloth.
But then I got a call and they

535
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:08,679
said, actually, we're going to
do it in London, and I had

536
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,320
real reservations about that because I hate
I hate flying. I can't okay.

537
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,280
So at first I was like,
let me think about that because that's a

538
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,559
long flight and I don't know if
I want to do that. You know,

539
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:34,000
too many memories of that being on
really awful aircraft in the military has

540
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,559
made flying a very unenjoyable experience for
me. But yeah, but I I

541
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,400
I agreed to do it. But
you know, before that, I was

542
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:49,199
contacted and the director wanted to have, uh, you know, a chat

543
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,840
with me. So we did like
a zoom call. Now, how did

544
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,920
he how did he find you?
Do you have any idea how they found

545
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:01,519
you? You know, I think
somebody read my book. All the right

546
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:09,400
people read my book, and yeah, and so you know, mister Altman

547
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,679
was, yeah, he was.
He was kind of a little bit instrumental

548
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:22,599
in that. So so he kind
of you know, slipped me in the

549
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,280
door, and I had this interview
with the director and they it went on

550
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,119
for a couple of hours, and
they liked what they heard and they said,

551
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,760
okay, you know, let's let's
go ahead and we're going to have

552
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,719
you on. We'll be in touch, you know, And so that that's

553
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,159
how all that went down. Were
you happy with what they how they edited

554
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,960
it and presented it. Oh?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I

555
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,920
mean, obviously I wish they would
have gotten more into some of the other

556
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,400
stuff that I talked about, but
I don't know, I I it was

557
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,280
very well done. It was it
was very good documentary. And I think

558
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:07,079
I think it's it's really you know, for people who kind of have followed

559
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,360
the UFO topic, like yourself.
So a lot of this was not new,

560
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:19,639
like the aerial school like you everybody
in the U mean even about that.

561
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,159
But this is a really trition for
people who woke up one day and

562
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:28,079
they're like, wait, what the
there's this bill going through Congress and it's

563
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:32,159
talking about non human intelligence and the
government's talking about UFOs all of a sudden,

564
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:37,119
what you know, Like so I
think that this is kind of a

565
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:43,119
very you know, good introduction for
folks like that, you know, who

566
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,960
don't really know a whole lot about
this because they haven't been following it.

567
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:50,480
You know. I wish they'd make
more. You know, there's I think

568
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,480
there's the four I can't remember.
Yeah, there were, it was four

569
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:58,360
parts in this document series. Yeah. I wish there would be, you

570
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,440
know, continue one because this so
much, so much to talk about,

571
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,920
Oh yeah for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. So I didn't realize, as

572
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,760
I said mentioned when we were talking
earlier about the Go Fast video, I

573
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,480
didn't realize that there was a connection
to the Rosevelt on that as well.

574
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:21,800
Was that the same year? Did
that happen the same year? Yeah?

575
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,880
It was. It was all in
the same event. Oh, the same

576
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,119
event. Well, I mean it's
the event. Well, let's be specific

577
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,920
when we talk about the event.
This was something that went on for like

578
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:38,440
three days, right, This wasn't
This wasn't just this happened once and it

579
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:45,519
lasted an hour and that was it. This was a three day long thing,

580
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,119
and so and so the go Fast
was was a part of that over

581
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,880
the course of the three days,
and so was the gimbal. Now when

582
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,159
they locked onto something like that,
it was moving along the go fast?

583
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,599
Is that was that something that they're
like, oh, you got it,

584
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,000
you know that type of thing like
it was. Was that a really very

585
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:12,119
unusual speed and everything for that?
I mean, I don't recall if they

586
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:15,920
give out the speed of what that
thing was going. I you know,

587
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,079
I don't know, I don't I
don't know what the speed was either.

588
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,199
I mean they call it the go
fast because it appears to be moving pretty

589
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,000
quickly, you know. And there
there are other people that, you know,

590
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:32,880
uh, claim that that's parallax and
it's just like this stationary balloon maybe

591
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,679
or something like that. But well, I mean they show they wouldn't be

592
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,960
locking on it, you know what
I mean, they wouldn't even bother locking

593
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,599
on it, you know, right, yeah, and and and you know

594
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,880
beyond that, like in in the
gimbal footage, for instance, you hear

595
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,719
the pilots say it's going against the
wind at a height twenty knots. Right,

596
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:01,400
yeah, show me a balloon that
can move into one hundred and twenty

597
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:07,000
nine headwinds. You know that's not
going to happen, that the wind is

598
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,440
going to carry that balloon, which
and so it's not going to be moving

599
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:16,599
against Yeah, and there's also the
Mick A. West explanation that it's a

600
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:22,079
distance of a commercial jet turning or
something like that. I don't remember what

601
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:28,199
it was exactly, but whatever it
was, you know, kind of proved

602
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,519
it was proven to him that that's
not the situation. And you know,

603
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:40,000
it's basically unexplainable. But was this
this was caught in the flur I believe

604
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,559
was this in the flur camera?
But is that was that in a what

605
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:52,559
spectrum? Is that in? Well
that that's infrared for looking infrared? Did

606
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:59,239
they also do you happen to know
if they also did like a daylight video

607
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,880
just a plane video of it at
the same time, I don't know that.

608
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,440
I don't know. I'm not sure, and I don't know if they

609
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:14,400
got I don't know if any of
this footage was from the daytime because from

610
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:22,679
what I remember, from what I
remember, this was mostly nighttime events.

611
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,199
I could be wrong about that.
I mean, it was twenty fifteen,

612
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:34,679
but I certainly remember this happening at
night, not during the Oh okay,

613
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,280
yeah, I mean you can't really
tell in the infrared everything. Yeah,

614
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,920
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, well, I can't believe how quickly

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time goes. But I also get
to say, really, when you and

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I talk on the phone and stuff, it's always so enjoyable. It's always

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nice and nice catching up and everything. Yeah, I really enjoy our chats.

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You're a very pleasant guy to talk
to. Thank you, all right,

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Matthew. So you put it out
there that your email address is on

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indeed on your Facebook page, so
people could reach you that way. But

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I agree with your mom's spirit,
you know, keep the coconut dragon thicked

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skin and kick that out there because
you don't know who you're going to help,

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right, Yeah, exactly, exactly. All right, Well you take

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care, all right, Thanks,
all right, thank you, all right

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everyone. We'll be back next week
and I'm waiting to hear back from my

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guests. I'm sorry I don't have
the confirmation, but just if you want

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to know, go to our website
podcastufo dot com. You can also sign

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up to our newsletter and that will
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guest and blog, et cetera.
Thanks so much everyone, and remember to

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keep your eyes to the sky.
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