WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:09.359 This it's the two seventeen Recovery Podcast with Corey Winfield. Corey Winfield, Corey 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:14.439 Winfield, Corey, you have a rich person's name, like you should be 3 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:18.719 a billionaire with the name Winfield. Anyway, call me back, bro. 4 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:26.480 It is the sixth of June twenty twenty three. My name is Cory Winfield 5 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:31.480 and that this is the two seventeen Recovery Podcast in the North Studio and joining 6 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:38.759 me in the North Studio very special guest Norm. Norm. That's going man, 7 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:41.840 it's going great. Glad. Just thought about the studio today. We 8 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.280 got some voice work for you to do today which I'm looking forward to. 9 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.520 Yeah, yeah, I'm you know, I'm inspired and uh, you know, 10 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.520 just very grateful to be able to be in this position of my life 11 00:00:54.560 --> 00:01:00.359 considering everywhere I've been. It's nice and it's awesome to sit back and flecked 12 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.640 on that sometimes you know, it's just like wow, like are you in 13 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.760 the spot where you want to be in the future now? But it's damn 14 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.239 sure better than places where you could be or have been, you know, 15 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.319 So it's just like pretty humbling, definitely definitely humbling. I you know, 16 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:18.040 when I when I look back at it. Uh, you know, and 17 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:21.560 I look where I'm at now, I could definitely say that I'd never picture 18 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.560 i'd be you'd be here. Um, you know that self pity, that 19 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.760 negative self talk always had me thinking that I I couldn't achieve nothing, and 20 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.640 what was the point? Yeah, you know, so it was. You 21 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.159 know, it's it's been a long road. Um, you know a lot 22 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:44.680 of downs, but you know that just makes me appreciate the ups, So 23 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.560 doesn't Mitchell joins us from the couch. Hello, Yeah, I was gonna 24 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.159 make you go out in the lobby. I was talking to Norm like, 25 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.799 hey, Norm, we're gonna do this, and I was like, we'll 26 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.319 get the other guys on. He's like cool. It's like no, but 27 00:01:57.359 --> 00:01:59.959 I'm gonna make him broadcast from a different room. And he just looked at 28 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:04.519 me like why. I was like, because it's fun to confuse us with 29 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.319 the echo. Yeah, And he's like again like why because he and this 30 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.520 is why, because he refused to wear headphones because the echoes. But he 31 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:15.360 doesn't know that his MIC's not picking up when he doesn't barely talking to so 32 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.800 I have to get all up in it. Well, that's not gonna be 33 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:25.680 a drop or anything. We already have one drop by and now it's gonna 34 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:30.639 be getting up in it. How you doing today, Mitch, dude? 35 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:35.199 Good getting up in it? Now? How are you doing today? You 36 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:39.520 had a little little battle with um like antique bodies or something. I mean 37 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:44.159 you already told everybody what was going on if you listen to the podcast. 38 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.120 I did not. I did not say that. Um No, I'm doing 39 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:52.080 really good. Head a little bout with the VID and uh what you had? 40 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:57.360 You had? Yeah, damn crazy. Yeah it was only the third 41 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.400 time I've gotten it, m but for single time, it's gotten a little 42 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:06.199 easier and yeah a little better. So well, I'm glad that you caught 43 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.120 the one everybody I's already had because we ain't catch it again. Like we're 44 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:14.319 putting puzzles together or like we were playing patty Cake. We were all kinds 45 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:20.879 of silly stuff and I can't catch it like shared a popsicle. I'm up 46 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.840 in it. Yeah. See that's why I would play the job. That 47 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.719 day was great. I came back here just to like get some stuff to 48 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:30.960 clean my stuff. You're like, get out here, don't go back here. 49 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:32.840 What are you doing back here? Get out? What do you want 50 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:42.000 me to come back. Never I might have said that. I mean yeah, 51 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.719 And I was like, now you got health insurors like, yeah, 52 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.120 well there's nothing to do for COVID. But okay. I was like, 53 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:47.800 call your doctor and say you got COVID. They're like, don't come here, 54 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.400 we'll put it in We'll put it in your chart. Yeah, good 55 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.840 luck. Now this is of course the medical question. Nor you don't have 56 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.240 to answer it if you don't feel comfortable. But did you have COVID? 57 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.800 Have you caught it yet? Yeah? I actually had COVID when I was 58 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:11.080 in treatment. Damn they did um. I was in uh my treatment in 59 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:15.560 Potoski and uh there's about six of us that got it and they quarantined us 60 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:20.079 off for six days and gave us room service, brought us our meals, 61 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.199 and gave us TV all day. I say, well, this, I 62 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.319 guess is living right here. I wish I had a dog set while I 63 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:32.439 had COVID. Wow, you gave it. You can give pets COVID. 64 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:38.480 You know that your family just doesn't care. Yeah, that's tough, but 65 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.360 it's tough when your family doesn't care like that, you know, I don't 66 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:46.160 know how Mitchell Mitchell you our true testament man, all stuff you've been through, 67 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:53.319 and then just to you know, have that support that you have or 68 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.560 don't have. I have support. I give them a lot of crap. 69 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:01.759 I don't necessarily always have the support that I would like, but they do. 70 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.279 They are supportive. Hopefully they're listening and they can start giving you birthday 71 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.920 cards again. Or they could just be quiet when people in our house are 72 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.959 trying to sleep. Kidding anyway, it's stunk about it. Let's unpack this 73 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:21.839 arm or amongst friends, a long time, long time thing in the old 74 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:28.600 neighborhood of Mitchell m So people stuff. People don't let a man sleep, 75 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:30.639 not when he got COVID, not when you're working midnights, doesn't really matter. 76 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:35.800 Oh wow, now do you have Do you have pets? You have 77 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:43.079 kids or all? Yes? Both those are different. Yeah, that's the 78 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.800 thing is it's either the kid or somebody yelling at one of the pets. 79 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:50.959 Like the other day, I was sleeping because COVID. I wanted to rest 80 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.160 and heel as well as possible. That's what I told you. Yeah you 81 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:00.279 did. I listened, got into about an hour of early bedtime, and 82 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:05.120 I wake up to screaming happening in my house. And I've told you a 83 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:09.120 little bit of what's going on in my house or some situations where things could 84 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.360 get a little you know, you don't, you don't know, just some 85 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:16.000 with the relationships with some of the people that used to live there. So 86 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.800 I get up and I'm like, what's going on? What's wrong? Everybody's 87 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:26.800 like, what do you mean the yelling and screaming that was just happening that 88 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:31.600 woke me up out of my covid rest. Oh, I don't know, 89 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.639 man, I there's a guild of the Cat or something. Oh, thanks, 90 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.759 guys, appreciate it. So you're hearing things must have been I was 91 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:46.680 hallucinating. That's what the COVID did to me. You think maybe Satan was 92 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.439 come up for you? No? No, okay, good say made it. 93 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.160 I was watching something on exorcism and stuff like that. You don't want 94 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.560 to go down that road, bro. Oh yeah no, yeah, that's 95 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.360 a different podcast. I've been around some of that stuff, and you know 96 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.920 that's a that's not gonna happen to me. When you stopped using the WIGI 97 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:10.319 board to a lot of things get better. Never ever done that. It's 98 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:15.480 bad. Don't say that I just I thought in your application news, but 99 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.920 professional Wigi board player, now I got, I got, I got something 100 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:21.040 to ask. Maybe it's a little weird. Um when I go to a 101 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:26.319 new apartment complexes and stuff, I always got to check the mirror in the 102 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.160 bathroom see if it's hollow. I don't want Candy Man coming through. I 103 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.279 don't know if any of you guys. It might be a little older for 104 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.879 some, but yeah, yeah, I was there for Candy Man. They 105 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.399 remade it, but I didn't see it looked like garbage. Yeah, I 106 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.360 didn't see them. You know, they're remaking everything, and it's like, 107 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:47.439 you know, they just fill trash. You know, it's keep just keep 108 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.560 the original, the original. Do something new, that's that's cool. But 109 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:57.399 it's like a movie version of like what is that bloody Marry or something like 110 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.079 that. You've never seen candy Man. Oh well he's got a task. 111 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:05.199 It's got a task for the weekend. Yeah, but I don't know if 112 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:09.000 the original will hold up though, you know digital effects they have now, 113 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.839 I just I don't know what the c G I they have now. Yeah, 114 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.959 it's tough for like these younger generations people to watch like stuff that we 115 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.560 grew up on and it is you know, it's can I have a dinosaur 116 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.079 flying out of the screen or something, and otherwise it's just not good enough. 117 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:26.839 I'm still waiting for when that. You know, we get the home 118 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.759 TVs that like have the fans in them, so when it's windy, the 119 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.759 wind blows on us and you know it's it's raining, we get like mists 120 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.639 coming from the TVs. They do that a like universal. Yeah, go 121 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.960 to the rides and you go in there, there's like actual fire on the 122 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.159 ceiling. Yeah, there was a great White concert one time. It was 123 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.639 over in Connecticut. Yeah, I wouldn't want that because fire will to kill 124 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.679 you like quick, and actually you die from the smoke first, but if 125 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.679 you don't, then you burn to death and then you'd get the smoke and 126 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.919 then it was like a rainy part and it's like so it's like getting what 127 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:07.639 it was pretty cool what you said. It couldn't hear you because I'm sorry 128 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.360 now, So norm Um, let's talk up a little bit about what you 129 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:16.120 do here at the two seventeen Recovery Center, because you have been inspiring other 130 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.799 people. I don't even know if you notice it, but you started a 131 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.039 meeting. And what we kind of tend to do here at the two seventeen 132 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:30.000 Recovery Center is we want people to take advantage of multiple pathways. You know, 133 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.639 like it's not yeah, there's a meets any means, there's tons of 134 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.159 meetings around that you can go to, tons of them, But what about 135 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.159 the meetings that other people want to start? You know, it's like, 136 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.120 well I like this or I want to go with that, and then people 137 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.639 in the other meetings starting wrong wild and you're in narrator and we're not trying 138 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.440 to do any of that, and what other people think about this is really 139 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:50.279 none of our business. But to give somebody like you a chance. Hey, 140 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.360 we got a room, we got some chairs, we got some books 141 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.679 for you. Yeah. This uh, this, this meeting was definitely a 142 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.919 hybrid meeting. It is at your your normal meeting, and it is put 143 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.600 together differently and uh, you know, we really we support people come here 144 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.759 and just have open conversations about you know, it is about a book called 145 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.360 Search for Serenity. It's based off that book. Uh, we do we 146 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.360 do a reading, um and uh we normally talk about it and uh, 147 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.840 but it's very open so people can just come and share and you can talk. 148 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:28.080 You can you can cross talk with each other and just feel open to 149 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.480 uh, you know, to say where you're at and uh and what it 150 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.639 really means and UH. But you know, I wanted to do something that 151 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:41.440 was different, you know. UM, And uh, I am I have 152 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.559 a sponsor, I am in the program. UM, So I don't I 153 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.159 don't throw shade on anything else. I mean, this is all about recovery. 154 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.480 Whatever gets you there, you know, is most important. It doesn't 155 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.559 matter. UM. And I got a lot of crossovers and people that come 156 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.639 from from the program that come in here, and and thanks for that. 157 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.399 UM. I have gotten a lot of good feedback for the people that show 158 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.240 up. And so you know, it's humbling, UM to be able to 159 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.120 be here. We talked about it earlier. You know what I picture myself 160 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.840 at this state, you know, I mean doing these things. And I 161 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.000 remember my first time I went into a meeting and I'm I'm sitting in the 162 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:28.200 corner, I'm balled up and I'm like crying, you know, and you 163 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.360 know, I'm looking at all I was like sixteen, I'm looking at all 164 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.960 these old guys, like what am I doing here? You know? UM? 165 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.759 And Uh, I remember sharing and the guy told me, he said, 166 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.519 he looked over. He said, hey, shut the fuck up. 167 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.519 He said, take the cotton balls out of your ears and put them in 168 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.759 your mouth for a little bit, you know. And because I was, 169 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.519 I was trying to get off the porch and run with the big dogs, 170 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.000 you know what I mean. And you know I was still getting potty trained 171 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.360 in the back. So I you know, at that stage in my life, 172 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.039 I didn't know nothing about you know, looking at my surroundings, learning 173 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.320 from peers or learning from people who have been through the fires. You know, 174 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.480 I was at that ten feet tall bulletproof and uh I knew it all. 175 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:24.200 And yeah, obviously you know, of course I left that meeting. 176 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:26.559 Yeah, screw them guys. You know they don't know JA. And I 177 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.200 was I think using that night, you know what I mean. So but 178 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.639 that that is a definitely a part that I'll always remember of him saying to 179 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.879 me. And it kind of makes me reflective when I go to places, 180 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.799 really take in my environment and be willing to be open minded and willingness to 181 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.200 listen to people and suggestions that are given to me. Because the older I 182 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.240 get, the more I know, I don't know. Shit's well, well, 183 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:00.799 put, the first time you went to a meeting, Mitch, what 184 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:09.240 was that like? It was weird because about half of it was kind of 185 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.519 clicky everybody knew each other and they're like best buddies, and then the other 186 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.679 half we're kind of like the outsiders, which is weird because they kind of 187 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.039 sat on the outside too, And then half of them spoke and half of 188 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.879 them didn't, and it was kind of weird. End up going for like 189 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:33.440 nine or ten months or something like that, never made a lasting relationship with 190 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.840 anybody. Spoke every once in a while and people are like, Okay, 191 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.519 cool, thanks, and then it's like they didn't give a rat's ass. 192 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.240 I think a lot of people are afraid to go and do a sex addiction 193 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:50.080 meeting. Yeah, so I really are. I totally understand that connecting with 194 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.399 people. What about going straight out and your first like substance use addiction meeting, 195 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.000 what was that like? It was completely different? Yeah, let's talk 196 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:03.240 about that. You're just opening right up then, huh uh No, it 197 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.720 was exactly the same. Oh damn, Okay, well maybe yeah, Well 198 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.639 hopefully you're you're making strides and have you been to you did you go to 199 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.799 a meeting with Justin and Adam one time or did they just go on their 200 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.960 own? Yeah, I haven't been. They must have just went on their 201 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.639 own. I'm not part of the cool kid click here. So oh I 202 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.080 didn't know we had one. Oh it's there. I'll do something about that. 203 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.480 You're like, you're the leader, asshole. Fabulous shirt beef came from. 204 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.840 Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have shirt snorm and they're gonna one of 205 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.559 them is gonna say do you want to buy a shirt? Did I tell 206 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:41.840 you the latest? I think you might have been out with COVID because I 207 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:48.759 had a dream and Justin when we sent him out with the wireless at the 208 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.000 the u FAM rally, I was talking to this lady and she was like 209 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.480 getting deep into like I do this and I do this, and I do 210 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.440 it from a family. I'm like, man, like it was touching my 211 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.600 heart, you know, and all the other stuff I having him do with 212 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.360 stupid. But this lady was like really on something, and I was like, 213 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.639 man, Justin, you know how betterr family's proud and he's just in 214 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.360 the middle of nowhere, totally inappropriate, not the time to do it. 215 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.200 It says, Yeah, you want to buy a T shirt? And we 216 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.840 were all just like what the like justin like what that's not the time, 217 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:16.799 bro, Like what are you doing? Man? Like talk to her about 218 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:18.759 her store, like she's one that you would really want to talk to, 219 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.679 not the lady. I had him talking to him in the trash, you 220 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.320 know. But so I was like, dude, like wow, so it's 221 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:30.200 just like giving him crapp. He's like, we should have T shirt, 222 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:31.279 you know, want to buy it? I want to buy a shirt. 223 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.279 And then I thought, man, that would be great if we just had 224 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.879 a shirt that said want to buy a shirt two seventeen recovery in the arm, 225 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.320 and then on the back or on the arm or somewhere a QR code 226 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.879 where people could scan that would send them to buy that shirt. So when 227 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.000 they bought the shirt, they're really doing promotion for us because other people could 228 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.360 buy that same shirt and kind of pay it forward. Isn't that awesome? 229 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.039 I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and put on I want a shirt idea. 230 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.360 I want I want one of those up old eighties cut you know, they're 231 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.399 breathable ones, the mesh on mesh ones. But I wanted to say breedable 232 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:11.080 material. Okay, two seventeen breedable material. I think that's that's the search 233 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.279 for serenity. I think two seventeen stops at the door there on that one. 234 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.360 But we didn't. We did have one that said, uh to seventeen 235 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:25.840 recovery podcasts may cause sexual relationships. Yeah, and they got in some trouble 236 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:27.759 with that one. I'll tell you about it. I finally got to listen. 237 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.840 I thought I had listened to all the u FAM podcasts and I hadn't. 238 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.120 And I realized the one that I hadn't listened to, and I think 239 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:38.879 I think I thought I had listened to it because I was there for it, 240 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:47.120 um, but was the one Danielle was in Ah and holy crap man 241 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.759 she was. She was better at what she did than justin entire her own 242 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.279 put together. And I was just dying. I was like, I definitely 243 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.279 missed this, and yeah it was. It was so good. Yeah, 244 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.559 she was hilarious. Yeah. We were at the rally and this woman comes 245 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.359 up. No, I mean she's a woman, but young woman because when 246 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:08.799 she's like, Hey, what do I need? I'm gonna be on the 247 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.319 podcast what I do? And I was like, well, you gotta buy 248 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:12.680 a shirt, saying okay, whatever. So she buys a shirt and coming 249 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.319 like okay, I bought a shirt and I was like, well, hold 250 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.400 on, I gotta wait for it to check to clear, you know, 251 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:18.880 like we gotta wait shirt. But I was just struggle with her. But 252 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.039 gave her the wireless mic and the headset and she went out and started messing 253 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:26.319 with people, and I was like, say this to this guy, and 254 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:27.680 I didn't have to. She started glow up to him. And this guy 255 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.000 was wearing his Tiger shirt. She's like, oh, you know Tiger's fan. 256 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.039 He's like yeah. She's like, who's your favorite player? He couldn't 257 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.440 name one, and she's like, yeah, well next time, no, 258 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.400 at least know one player on the team before you start wearing people stuff, 259 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:45.039 you know. And she was there's this like she started giving them hell yeah, 260 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.279 that was amazing. She was asking me like will he punched me in 261 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.160 the face if I cut him in line? Or will she? And you're 262 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:52.400 supposed to know this so before I cut her, like I want to know 263 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:59.240 what answer? It was so good. Yeah, having fun and recovery is 264 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.559 what we're about, nor kind of on something that you have to do. 265 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.200 She from nowhere was the best one. You know, they say, you 266 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:10.160 know you find fun, you know, if you're not, if you're in 267 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.079 recovery, you're out there and you're like, ah, you know, I'm 268 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.400 you're down, you're out. You're just not finding it. You're not searching. 269 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.480 You're not searching for the fun. And that that starts with you. 270 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.079 Fun is not going to knock on your door say hey, I'm fun, 271 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.519 come on, came to get you, you know what I mean, you 272 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.960 get just like anything else. Well, sometimes I'm not paying an extra for 273 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:41.599 you. That stops at two ones, but you know, you kind of 274 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.079 go. I was thinking about going back to those guys that were that were 275 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.519 in the meeting um when I first meeting, and one became my sponsor later 276 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.480 on. And you know, one thing he had taught me was that, 277 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.640 uh, you know, he was trying to give me advice, and advice 278 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:00.839 is something that somebody has went through that fire before you. They came out 279 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:06.079 the other side and they can give you advice. Someone's opinion is my dad 280 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:08.880 telling me a non addict, you know, do this and do that. 281 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:12.759 You know you'll be fixed. You're cure, you know, And that's he 282 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.519 hasn't been through the fire of addiction, and you know, I love him 283 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:21.000 and everything, but that's his opinion on what I should do. And those 284 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.000 people who have who have been through it, you know, whether it's a 285 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.279 you know, going through a divorce and you know somebody of co workers just 286 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:30.799 went through a divorce, you know, they're giving you advice. Somebody who's 287 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:36.240 never been through that experience, they can give you their opinion at night. 288 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.319 And I try to remember that even when I'm talking to my daughters and they're 289 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:44.640 calling me and they're asking me. You know, first of all, I 290 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.279 got to ask the question, do you want feedback or do you I'm just 291 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.839 here to listen. I'll just listen because I've learned not to but not to 292 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.559 say anything. I gotta first asked the question. Um, you know, 293 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:59.599 I got no problem if you're just venting and I'll just sit here and listen. 294 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:03.799 But uh um. But if they do kind of ask for some feedback, 295 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.160 I have to, Um, you know, I have to determine and 296 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:08.480 I let them know, you know, this is my opinion about this is 297 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.960 and this is my advice, and we've talked, so they know what the 298 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.799 difference is between that. Um. For so long I would take other people's 299 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.759 opinions and think, Okay, that's what I need to do. But they've 300 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.599 actually had no experience going through it, and so it was, you know, 301 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:29.039 basically a hail Mary. Yeah, having people there with you that have 302 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.799 been through it. And I was told to never give advice to people, 303 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:34.960 you know, because if they asked for it, you know, I'm sure. 304 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:37.839 But otherwise, you know, like you said with your daughters and stuff, 305 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.480 is you shut up and listen, like okay, okay, and you 306 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.359 know a better way to approach it is have you thought about doing this or 307 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:48.559 have you thought about doing that? I just founded Canadian right there? Do 308 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.079 you hear that I send a boot? It's been an in a boot, 309 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:57.400 dude, But it's it's a it's about you know, and I just want 310 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:03.160 to keep saying about because I'm gonna make sure I'm Canadian. I have fried 311 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.920 chicken today so that should take that off. But no, if you thought 312 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.680 about doing this or you know, for me, this is what I would 313 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.559 do, you know, like, or for me, this is what I 314 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:15.839 did, and I don't tell people this is what I would do. I 315 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.079 say, this is what I did. This is what didn't work for me, 316 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.599 But you can do whatever you want for you, you know, it's 317 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.079 it's a different game plan for other people. But when you were talking about 318 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:26.359 your meeting though, I want to go back to this real quick, your 319 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.319 meeting that you have here at the two seventeen Recovery Center, which, of 320 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.359 course, if somebody has a two seventeen recovery app tuesdays noon, jump on 321 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.720 there, check out Norm and his group and see what it's about. But 322 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.759 one thing about your group, though, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't 323 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:45.039 matter if it's a it's NA it's breastfeeding group. I don't know why that 324 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:49.720 came to my mind, but whatever group it is, I'm sure it's out 325 00:21:49.759 --> 00:21:56.960 there. Is based on you're saying earlier about the fun people and having fun, 326 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.000 people who have fun, and people have like a good chemistry, Like 327 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:04.599 you could have a meeting about baking muffins, and I think those same people 328 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.720 would show up just because they're like, man, this dude's in recovery. 329 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.759 We're having fun, Like we're all relatable. Nobody's here vs. And there's 330 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.319 no like special like reason to come here, like hey you get extra brownie 331 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:19.640 point, Like it's to be around people that are doing good things and that 332 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.880 have good aura and just that are having fun, you know. And I 333 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.880 think that says a lot about your meeting in you where you are in your 334 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:27.640 recovery. I remember when I first met you, you know, I'm like, 335 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.240 Okay, this dude, you know, you could go this way or 336 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.680 that way. It's kind of like I got the I got the Corey Chaufeur 337 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:38.720 a ride. Yeah, yeah he did, and I was like, Okay. 338 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.559 I was like, I think that dude's gonna do all right. But 339 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.880 sometimes you think that, you know, you never know. And sometimes I 340 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.440 think, oh, man, that that dude's gonna go down and fire and 341 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.039 see people later and they're like killing it, and I'm like, man, 342 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.480 that's good. Well I've noticed, I've not I've noticed and learned over time 343 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.759 is nothing's done in absolutes. Yeah, um, and that uh you know. 344 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.920 They used they used to tell me, you'd see somebody is really just 345 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:07.920 doing overachieving maybe um really just really involved, and they you know, and 346 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:12.240 they'd be like that that guy is the type that that will fail. I 347 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:17.680 don't know why they would say that, but it's it's almost it's it's not 348 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:21.440 a job and you can't you have to be well rounded. You can't just 349 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.759 do only recovery and like your whole life is based on this thing. Nothing, 350 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.920 nothing, you know what I mean. I'm a I'm a believer in 351 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.720 a higher power and that's for each individual. So I'm you know, I 352 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.319 believe, you know, you believe, you believe in that higher power. 353 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:38.960 You let that one take you know, have control of your life. Um, 354 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.279 and you have to. But I think you you know, everything can 355 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.759 be over indulged. And Bill w wrote that in his book as well, 356 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:49.039 you know what I mean. In the AA book and his writings, you 357 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:55.519 know, he talked about how you know you can over indulge into the program. 358 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:00.200 Um. So you know that you know is there's people that are on 359 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.119 the on the board or you know, the finance a part of it and 360 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.279 everything else you know, um, and they get burnt out and so you 361 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.640 know, and I think that's the inventory we need to take of ourselves and 362 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.160 you know, make sure that we are we are getting We're filling the cups 363 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.880 on every aspect of our lives, you know what I mean, not just 364 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:29.039 in one aspect. So you're gonna say something much we said a lot of 365 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.640 really good things in there. I had some things to add, but I 366 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:34.599 think you kind of cover them all. I think you'd be like, yeah, 367 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.000 but you gotta You're like, well, no. I mean one thing 368 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:44.359 that I I kind of agree with, and I believe I haven't been able 369 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:48.240 to read all of the Search for Serenity, but the parts that I have 370 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.799 one I've really liked too. I think it kind of covers this. But 371 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:02.480 you kind of mentioned that recovery shouldn't be I don't think it's meant to be 372 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.640 your way of life for the rest of your life. It's a step and 373 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:15.559 now that I'm gonna go with a certain number of steps here, but there's 374 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:19.799 more going on after that, Like you get into recovery and your higher power 375 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:25.640 has more of a life for you. And I think the book that I 376 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:32.160 read, um it says something about, you know, living life more abundantly. 377 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.440 That's what higher Power wants for us. He does this when I don't 378 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:41.440 have the headphones on papulous. I mean, I I can, I can 379 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:47.599 agree, I can, I can agree to that. Um. I just 380 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:52.640 uh, you know, I think we should. But especially in the beginning, 381 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.319 I've found that I have to, um so put my life, you 382 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.359 know, around recovery. You're not recovery around my life. So I've you 383 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.839 know, if I'm not gonna do things just because it's convenient for me, 384 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:08.880 you know, I really want to do this, and I really want to 385 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.920 do that, that you know, in the long run is it's not going 386 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.880 to get me where I want to go. And each individual knows their path 387 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.119 where they want to go. You know, one thing we've been working on 388 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.359 right now in search for serenity is being decisive in your decision making. Don't 389 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.839 flounder around, you know with you know, this decision, maybe this decision, 390 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.279 you know, make you know, go over the pros and cons of 391 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.039 decision that you want to make, whatever the struggle is, whatever the obstacle 392 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:38.480 is in your life, you know, come to that concrete decision, this 393 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.359 is what direction I'm going to go, and you put all your resources, 394 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:47.039 all your efforts into accomplishing that goal. There's gonna be other things that might 395 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.200 pop up and said, try to sway you maybe the other way. You 396 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.799 got to put those blinders on, like you're a horse, you know, 397 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.960 and you're gonna go just in that direction where you made that decision to go. 398 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:03.920 And so I've made the decision that I am. You know, I 399 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:10.079 am fully invested in my recovery and uh so that's that's just where I want 400 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.960 to be. It's also not a checklist. I also learned this with uh, 401 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.519 with my kids. You know, I thought being a good dad was 402 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.400 you know, I get them during the weekend check. I I bought them 403 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:23.319 to Christmas gifts check. Um. You know, I got them their clothes 404 00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:27.240 for school. Check. And it's not a it's not a grocery list raising 405 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.640 kids, it's not a grocery list in recovery. You know, it's so 406 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:36.200 much more involved than that. Um. And so you know, my kids 407 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.920 emotionally needed me more than I was there for them. But I did this 408 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.559 checklist, I had crossed off these boxes and was like, wow, I'm 409 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:47.680 a good dad. I'm good And uh I wasn't. I was not a 410 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.799 good dad at all. Um. And I was selfish. Um. And 411 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.079 so you know, but again, nobody comes out of the wound. They're 412 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:02.400 just they got all this information the soul aspect of life. UM. You 413 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.160 know it's something that you know I've I've learned through classes. You know, 414 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.880 some forest, some forest, um. But uh, but classes I've took 415 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.559 that uh you know, I looked at it was like, you know, 416 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.119 I had a woman um in one of my classes. I was actually in 417 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.920 prison, um, and she said, oh, norm Um, would you 418 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.920 choose yourself for your daughters? I said, what what do you mean? 419 00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.720 She was like, if you could hand your daughter off to anybody, would 420 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:37.519 you choose yourself to hand your daughter off to? Fuck? No? No, 421 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.920 And it hit me. Yeah, I was one of those moments where 422 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:45.400 I had that epiphany, was like I have to make changes. I have 423 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.680 to become that person that I would want to hand my daughter off to, 424 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.240 because if not one am I over one? Am I complaining about or talking 425 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.720 to them about decisions they're making in their lives and I'm over here just running 426 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:03.880 amuck on my own. Remember you tell me about that when I did pick 427 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.799 you up and you're like, hey, you know here I was doing the 428 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.839 you know, weekend stuff, drop them off and then off to you know, 429 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.039 destruction, and I think you were you talking about how that that wasn't 430 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.000 right and you were gonna not do that anymore. So I was like, 431 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.680 that's good stuff right there. Man. To realize it and to know like, 432 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.799 no, no, it's not a it's not a checklist. It's it's 433 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.720 about being there all the time and just being ready all the time. You 434 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:30.880 never know when that phone's gonna ring and they're gonna be like Dad, I 435 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.480 mean, yeah, you're exactly right. It's not about the checklist and it's 436 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.359 not you know, it's about being ready because and um, being flexible. 437 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:45.200 You know again, UM, I've learned through failure. That's the only way 438 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:51.160 we grow is by failing. So you know I've failed. Um earlier, 439 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.839 I stumbled and uh what you know when they call, I know now kind 440 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.440 of uh, you know, where does my place in this relationship at this 441 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.960 moment? You know again, I might hear just to lead, you know, 442 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.759 listen, UM. You know, I also learned that I have to 443 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.599 let them make their own mistakes. You know, I can, I can 444 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.000 be a wealthy information do the readings, do this, UM, tell them 445 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.160 about whatever it is. You know, my opinion is about this or that. 446 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.960 But unless they ask me, I can give them. But let them 447 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.920 fail because that's the only way they learn. I learned through failure. They 448 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:29.480 have to go, they have to stumble, just like when they were kids 449 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.880 and they were walking. You know if every time, you know, my 450 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.000 daughter was walking and she fell and started crying, and I went and picked 451 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.759 her up. That's what she'd do. I'd carry it a whole time. 452 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.880 She would know if she look around. But once she stumbles and false start 453 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.319 crying, no one comes running to her. She starts looking around like okay, 454 00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.039 all right, well I'm gonna get up and start walking again. I'm 455 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.319 gonna learn, you know, my my, you know, my body's gonna 456 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.160 straighten up. She's gonna start walking more erect and walking better with confidence. 457 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.519 But if I sit there and pick her up and baby or the whole time, 458 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.720 she's not gonna she's not gonna to learn, you know, become that 459 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.599 strong independent woman. She's always going to want somebody to sit there and take 460 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:10.559 care of her. And sometimes you might not be right, you know. 461 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.400 So like I've been given bad advice before, you know, by loved ones, 462 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:15.960 and it's like it's not because they want to give me bad advice, 463 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.000 it just that's what they thought to give. And you know, so it's 464 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:26.000 not even about that when you look deeper, because there could be resentments when 465 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:26.640 you're like, hey, no, do it like this or do it like 466 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.519 that? You started throwing out stuff they don't even want to hear. They 467 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.960 didn't ask you for the advice, you know, and you start they call 468 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.039 a helicopter pairent or whatever, and you start trying to help them with every 469 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.759 single decision. You don't got time for that man, And like you said, 470 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.200 you know, to let them learn on their own. I think he 471 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.279 touched on a great subject there is because what might have worked for you is 472 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.720 not going to work for them, right and so you know, my my 473 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.079 advice or my experience might be what you know in that certain situation might be 474 00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:55.039 like you know, this worked for me, just doesn't work for them. 475 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:59.319 So a lot of you know, they have to go through the fire for 476 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.359 themselves, and I'm out that other end. Yeah, I definitely believe in 477 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.759 that. It was like back in the day, norm we were outside playing 478 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.279 people like Mitch, they were inside gaming, you know, like we know 479 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.119 what a kickball is? Kickball? Is that a ball that you trip over? 480 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:21.279 Because kid left out? We were playing flashlight. Yeah you didn't see 481 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:25.359 candy Man, So you're you're younger than did you? Did you at least 482 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.759 see children of the car? That was see that was after my Okay, 483 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.640 he's crossed off the list. Okay, I was gonna go down the whole 484 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:43.039 list of like movies. But Wayne's World. Yes, Austin Powers. I 485 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:47.720 didn't really like her. Oh my gosh, you didn't like Austin Powers. 486 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.559 I was really, really, really sheltered as a young child. So it 487 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:59.559 was Transformers around when you were a kid. Like the cartoons. Yeah, 488 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:06.000 they had bus on USA Today cartoons, Yeah, they like on Saturday mornings. 489 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.359 Yes, hemen a man. There are reruns. But yeah, watch 490 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.279 you Man, that new one that they had come out. I tried to 491 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.400 watch a couple episodes of that on Netflix. I think it is No, 492 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.559 I don't know about that Netflix. Let's talk about Netflix sucking real quick. 493 00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.279 Do you have Netflix? You don't waste your money that way? I believe 494 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.279 they. I believe they have it at the house. That what a cracker 495 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:36.160 shit they keep putting out these damn movies. Maybe one of them are American, 496 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.319 rest of them are that other stuff. Hobla, he blow, and 497 00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.799 they don't even and then when they try to double in English, not even 498 00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.160 close. I matched Mitch's video that I just made over the weekend up better 499 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:52.000 than what those professionals do in Hollywood or wherever they are. That's gonna be 500 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.079 on the website, right, I don't know. You want me to put 501 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.240 it on there? I will. I think it's horrible. Got to do 502 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.519 anyway? Netflix, I know what you're talking. Yeah, the first time 503 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.680 I saw that, I was like, what is this nonsense? Now it's 504 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:07.760 kind of entertaining for me, but like, damn, near four out of 505 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:10.280 every five movies you're like, oh this looks cool. No, not even 506 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.559 in English, and the dub is so bad Bruce Lee movie, Like they 507 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.480 don't have it, like they don't have like a guy. Let's just say, 508 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:21.599 like like Mitch and I right now we're looking at til, they're laughing, 509 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.360 we're smiling, and we're talking. They'll have it dubbed in like this. 510 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.119 What's up with Netflix? Well, I don't know what it's going to 511 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.639 want with Netflix? Well did you like Netflix? Well, it's because it's 512 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:37.119 and they're like European countries, so it's it's like Norwegian or German and all 513 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:43.719 these other ones. But they want to have it in English and other languages. 514 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.840 So all they do is dubb a different language over. I didn't even 515 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.639 get good voice actors. They just get like just it's horrible. Man, 516 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:53.280 the blonde dude, let's go find a blond dude. I say, we 517 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:58.039 boycott Netflix. I am close. There's not much out there. Like every 518 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.760 time they charge hits my stuff, I'm like, oh, I didn't cancel 519 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.880 it yet. I stopped watching that. Uh, I don't want to get 520 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.119 to it's ray show. They did a movie Cutie Pies or something. Oh 521 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:15.639 yeah, um that was like the little they were sexualizing young agent. Yes, 522 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.199 and I didn't well, of course I didn't watch it. When they 523 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.119 were promoting that, I was like, yeah, it just didn't fit my 524 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:28.519 morals. And uh, you know, those are the convictions that I have 525 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.559 today that uh um, I tend to try to stand on my morals. 526 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:38.360 Um, and the things that I do. You know, um, what's 527 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:43.920 they talk about lip service? But it's uh, you know it's and that's 528 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.920 the difference I think, you know, with understanding and knowing as like you 529 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.320 know, okay, I can say you know, I know this or I 530 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.280 know that because I've heard it, you know what, do I truly understand 531 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.599 it? And that goes with my morals, you know, I say, 532 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.960 oh, yeah, I got these morals because everybody said you got these morals? 533 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.159 You know, you should you should be like that. That's what SOCIH 534 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:07.440 he wants you gotta have these morals when I you know, through the search 535 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.599 for serenity is what we're doing is really trying to find out who we are 536 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.599 and what our morals are. Um, do I understand them? And uh, 537 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.079 understanding means that you live that way. Um, you make them calls, 538 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.920 you say, you know what, this isn't going with what I believe 539 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.079 in. So I yeah, I don't know if it's a boycott or whatever. 540 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:28.760 It's just I choose not to continue. You know, I'm not going 541 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.280 to give them my money. But H So you know, those are just 542 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.079 certain things that that you know, people are finding, um and learning about 543 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.880 themselves in the meeting and and uh to watch, like I said, to 544 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.039 watch people light up when a certain reading or something touches them and be able 545 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.920 to open up and talk about it, you know, not even not have 546 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.239 to wait to be called on or it's their turn, but kind of they 547 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.320 can just come out and start. Man, this right here really touched me 548 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.159 and we can sit there and talk about it. You know, Like I 549 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:04.280 said, it's very high bred type um loose you know, UM meeting Uh 550 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.920 you know, um, and I'm gonna you know, I gotta thank two 551 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.440 months having recovery over here for UM given the opportunity to put that together. 552 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.119 Um. You know, Marnie asked me, UM, and I was you 553 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.800 know, it just happened at the right time she asked me, and I 554 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.679 was thinking, I just having to be thinking, Man, I really wish 555 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:27.360 there was this this this type of meeting UM based off that book. Yeah, 556 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:31.159 we kind of had you know, the houses and trim sent around here 557 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:37.239 in mind because there's some recovery housing in the neighborhood and we thought, man, 558 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.000 like some of the people that are new to recovery or just early on 559 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.519 in recovery, sometimes they might want to explore different ways. You know. 560 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:51.159 It's there's so many different ways, you know, people can can get their 561 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.039 recovery on and to grow in their recovery, and why not give them a 562 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:55.960 place to do it at you know. So we went around you know, 563 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.000 some of the houses and we're like, hey, here's the chance, and 564 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.400 you know a few of you guys were like hell, yeah, like let's 565 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.159 do that, and other people were just like new And that's that's the difference, 566 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:07.159 you know, between and not saying that everybody who comes here is gonna 567 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.760 make it. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying that people 568 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:16.280 that are living their recovery, they're taking the control of their recovery into their 569 00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.119 own hands and doing things that they want to do to better themselves and their 570 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.360 recovery with other people that are like minded. I think that's just great, 571 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:27.039 you know. So I'm I'm proud of you for stopping up to do it. 572 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.119 And one of the things that probably keeps people from doing it is what's 573 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.119 they're back going thinking about me? You know, if I start that meeting, 574 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:37.199 they're gonna be hating not me. Yeah. That that that fear factor. 575 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.360 I mean, that is a man, it's it's a it's a killer 576 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.719 in so many people's life. It's it's that when did we as as beings 577 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.880 and when we didn't have when we were a kid. When we were a 578 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.639 kid, you know, we could walk around. I remember I was I 579 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:54.880 was playing hockey and I got on I said, my neighbor played hockey. 580 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.960 So I told my parents, say, I want to play hockey, Daddy, 581 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.639 Sorry, sign you up. I got on that ice first time skating. 582 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.800 I'm doing three hundred and sixty degree twirls and falling on my ass, 583 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.320 and my parents are up there and they're just like, god, he sucks, 584 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:14.880 you know. And I come off the ice and I'm like, god, 585 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:15.920 I did a great job, didn't I'm like, yeah, he did 586 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:23.960 a great job. He's horrible, and U yeah. But I kept doing 587 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:28.000 it. I kept playing. I kept practicing, you know, before you 588 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.519 know it, I mean, I was playing triple A. I went to 589 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.000 Finland, I went to Sweden, you know, all over the place playing 590 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:38.760 hockey. But if you know, I didn't have that influence where somebody said 591 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.159 I sucked. You know, i'd quit. But at a certain point, 592 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.760 when we get older, we get in society, we get in these schools, 593 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.360 we give our sovereignty over to other people's opinions about us. My daughter 594 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.360 did, and she was a good singer. She sung in choir and they'd 595 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.360 give her her own, you know, spot solo. And a couple of 596 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.119 girls told her she sucked this thing. And she came home crying, and 597 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:12.280 she quit choir. And you know, again I was given my opinion and 598 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.519 say, honey, I don't think you should do that. I think you're 599 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:19.360 good. I don't, you know, but she quit um and and it's 600 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.360 just to me, it's like when did we bite the fruit or bite the 601 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.280 apple? And we're like, we're naked all of a sudden, we got 602 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.719 to cover up, and that stops us, you know, from reaching our 603 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:37.119 potential, you know, because we're again failure is part of growing and so 604 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.199 we have to go out there. We're not going to be great, We're 605 00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.000 not gonna be perfect. We're not going to be the best in the world, 606 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.719 you know what I mean, but we can achieve our goals. You 607 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.760 know, if our goals is to get better, well then we can get 608 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.840 better, you know what I mean. And you know, the being good 609 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:59.079 at something is in the eyes of those you know yourself, as long as 610 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.639 you're making yourself happy. Like I'm a horrible danswer I am. I am 611 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:07.920 just gonna say it. I would, but I was like, you know 612 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.039 what, next time there's a wedding, I want to break loose because I 613 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.559 know it's uncomfortable. And one thing about you know, this recovery is getting 614 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:22.800 comfortable being uncomfortable, right, and we got to put ourselves in positions of 615 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.800 being uncomfortable to get comfortable in it. You know, it's not just going 616 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.159 to get to happen. There's these breathing exercises you can do in the shortness 617 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:35.280 of breath. And what that is is is, once you get intense situations, 618 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.639 you'll notice that you're breathing, you know, chokes off. And so 619 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:45.039 if you can practice getting in that position when something is overwhelming, something's very 620 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.679 stressful, something chaotic has happened, you can get into that situation and all 621 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:52.960 of a sudden you're comfortable being in that short of It's like, Okay, 622 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.639 I can deal with this and it's not so overwhelming. Yeah. That's one 623 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:00.320 guy that I know. He was saying that he didn't like go into any 624 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.480 kind of meeting because it made him uncomfortable. I was like, well, 625 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.320 then that's exactly what you need to do, homie. You know, well, 626 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:07.599 I just don't like them. It made me uncomfortable, that's all I 627 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.639 kept saying. I was like, well, you got to figure that out, 628 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.199 because what you like and what you want, what you need, they're 629 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:19.519 different things. You know, I'm not doing so good today, and then 630 00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.559 you can doing for him. You know you're gonna say something, Mitch, 631 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:28.559 you're talking about breathing exercises. Oh, so you're breathing it's real tough, 632 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.000 bad. So yeah, I just wanted to kind of throw it out there 633 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.960 too, because there are some people that probably weren't like wanted to or maybe, 634 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:37.719 oh, maybe I'll do this kind of meeting, but then they just 635 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.320 kind of turned it down because you know that they're gonna make fun of me 636 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.400 and thinking, well, what are you doing? You know, and and 637 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.760 the houses and when you're living and so we're living. Um, we had 638 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:53.599 like a ton of people Hello, hey, dish Rashanda, what you're doing? 639 00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.880 Sorry? That was Norm's phone. Um. When the house, the 640 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:05.000 dynamics change all the time, and it could be good, it could be 641 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.320 bad, but you still gotta go through and stick with the people that you 642 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.320 know are on the real stuff doing the same things you want to be doing. 643 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.320 It's easy for people just to follow the leader, and the leaders not 644 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.519 really a leader, or least he's not leading them anywhere well, and it's 645 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.079 just like okay, and I've seen those those houses go down. I've seen 646 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.960 those those things happen, and I've seen gray houses, you know, and 647 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.119 sober living. I was in a house that was all over the place when 648 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.000 I was in sober living last time, and then I managed a sober living 649 00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:36.840 house that was pretty good until I left that run back me up on that. 650 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.280 I mean, I think it's a slippery slope. You know, if 651 00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.039 you can get a good, good bunch of group of guys in there and 652 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.559 people support each other, um, you'll know the ones that are real and 653 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.360 the ones that are fake, you know what I mean, And and that 654 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.599 you know, every that's okay because everybody's in their own position, their own 655 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.519 life. Some people are just not ready. You know. I had plenty 656 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.920 of times where I was put into situations by the court system. They wanted 657 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.920 me to do this, and I had to, you know, jump through 658 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:09.840 their hoops and do what they're saying. But in my back of my mind, 659 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.360 I had, um, you know, reservations. You know, I 660 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.960 knew when I was getting on probation, I was gonna go hit the pen. 661 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.119 I was gonna go do this, you know what I mean. And 662 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.079 so you know I wasn't I wasn't ready there. Um. I just you 663 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:31.480 know, I think again that conviction inside us the whole people accountable. You 664 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.679 know, it's very important for the brotherhood because once you start, you know, 665 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.760 well, you know, my wife wants to come over on a sneaker 666 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.400 in the window. She stays and night Okay, that's fine. The rest 667 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:46.320 of the house kind of knows. Now this guy's like, hey, man, 668 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:49.719 I got my buddy. I mean he I weren't you know, I 669 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.880 want him. You know, he got no place to go. And for 670 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.599 you know it, it's turning into a flat house. People ain't doing their 671 00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:59.960 charges. It's starting to look like a trap house. And it's a mind 672 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.559 set. You know, you get that mindset you go into a place and 673 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.400 that and for that new guy who's coming out of the treatment program and he's 674 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.480 coming into the house and the house is all a mess and it looks like 675 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.760 a trap house. You know, that mindset is there. It's like you 676 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.519 want it to be clean. You want to come in and have this kind 677 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:22.039 of safe environment. And it's not just for you, you know. I 678 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.000 know, yeah, you're cutting this corner. And that's fine because you know, 679 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.480 again we get in this title. Man, well, you know, 680 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:30.960 I've been sober for four months. I deserve you know, I deserve this, 681 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:37.119 and I'm paying this much so I deserve this and that ego and that. 682 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.199 But that new guy that's coming in there, you know, it's that's 683 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.039 where we you know, we got to think about the other people. He 684 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.159 might be coming in here and you're cutting corners. You know he's he's on 685 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.320 the fence. He starts cutting the corners and for you know it, you 686 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.719 know he's dropping dirty and he's kicked out. And so I it's not just 687 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.199 about you know you yeah, it's some of the rules. You might look 688 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.719 at and say, you know, I don't know about that, um, 689 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.360 but there's a purpose. I mean, these these places have been in business 690 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.039 for a very long time. They have you know, they have a lot 691 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.239 of tools and things that have been used. They know what works and what 692 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.760 doesn't work, and so, um, you know, be flexible again, 693 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.280 be comfortable being uncomfortable. You know you can't do this. You can't do 694 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.480 that right now. And once you once your time is up, or you 695 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.360 find a place and you can move on your own, then you can do 696 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.000 what you want and you know what you earned it. Um. You know, 697 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.599 Mitch over here, when he gets that nice, beautiful eight hours a 698 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:46.800 straight sleep, no waking up, no interruptions, See, he can sit 699 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.079 there and be like god man, that was a great, wonderful eight hours 700 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.280 to sleep and be very appreciative for those people that were there, and you 701 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.280 know, get up and say hey, I just want to thank you guys 702 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:01.079 for not making no noise, not um and being mindful that you know, 703 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:08.199 Daddy has to sleep and they'll say, here's some earplugs. Dad. The 704 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:14.920 best part is it's not the children of the issue. Oh he's got options 705 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.639 though, We got options. And that's that's one thing. People have options, 706 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:21.840 and there's always something else, so you could do. There's always something 707 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.440 else, you know. I mean you could take it to farm, use 708 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.599 a pillow and put them to sleep, you know what I'm saying. Well, 709 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:31.360 we watched that Steve Harley Harvey inspirational video the day. You know when 710 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.800 that dog barks, damn it, a dog's barking, waking me up, 711 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:43.480 or at least I got a dog. I love that dog feud. I 712 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.679 don't tell anybody that's why. That's why they closed the door. A feud. 713 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.960 But well, we'll wrap it up though. UM. I appreciate you 714 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.400 spending an hour just about damn near hour talking with us on the podcast. 715 00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.719 It was fun and I appreciate you guys, thanks for asking me to sit 716 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.119 down with you and it's uh, yeah, I really appreciate it. And 717 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.880 then we're gonna make your promo for your video too, so that'll be fun. 718 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.400 And then you have an idea for like a wacky promo, which we'll 719 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:12.880 do down down the road. But but well, we'll put something out there 720 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.840 to kind of promote your meeting. And I think it'll be fun and I 721 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.280 think it'll be good. And yeah, people can always join, Like our 722 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:22.000 place isn't the biggest, Like we don't have hundreds of seats in here, 723 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:27.239 but you can always join on zoom. No, but having overflow, having 724 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.199 too, it's always like you it's always a good problem to have. And 725 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:35.440 if if it does get to a point where there is uh, you know, 726 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.559 it is kind of overwhelming with a lot of people. You know, 727 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.559 the venue could always change. It could always get to a begger venue. 728 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:47.440 I'm sure. Um backs back to back, yeah, back to backs. 729 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.000 But uh, you know, the recovery community here in Traverse City is a 730 00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:57.360 great community. This is one of the finest communities for recovery to be in. 731 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.119 And so um there's always a helping hand out out there or somebody willing 732 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.679 to open up opportunities for those who really want it. Cool. I appreciate 733 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.239 you coming by again on a Tuesday, because you're here in your meeting so 734 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.599 and Mitch, thanks for letting me play the role of bad host, asking 735 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:21.480 you silly questions, putting you on the spot, uncomfortable situations, asking you 736 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.639 do you're gonna say something? When I knew you weren't, like, hey, 737 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.320 you were going to comment on that? Right? What's the time? 738 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.280 I was, Oh, I would forget that, you would put me onside? 739 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:34.360 And the really, wait, what was I gonna say? I mean, 740 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.079 you can, you can thank me, but you're opaying me for a 741 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:38.920 couple more hours. So can you say, hey, Mitch, sit down 742 00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:44.480 and do this? I say, okay, yeah, and uh, you 743 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:45.960 can go back and listen to the drops I play. They weren't that bad. 744 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.239 Then you guys give me a couple of good looks there for a minute. 745 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.199 But I will plug in though. Yes um at two Months seven two 746 00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:02.559 Months seven Recovery Tuesdays noon to one as the search for Serenity mean Killing It. 747 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.840 Check it out to seventeen recovery dot com for more info and like I 748 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:12.840 said, it's also available on Thanks for listening to the two seventeen Recovery podcast. 749 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.559 We hope you come back for our next episode.