WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:08.039 Welcome to the Nightcap on Labor Day twenty twenty three, September fourth. Well, 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:13.039 here we are. You made it past the big boom. You made 3 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:18.160 it past I don't know, summer. That's great to be with you as 4 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.359 always, Gary Jeff Wonker at the Helm on this Labor Day night. But 5 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:26.160 kill the music, because this is not actually occurring. I'm not speaking to 6 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:32.000 you from our studios on Labor Day. I actually put together a Labor Day 7 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:37.679 night special called Gary Jeff's Favorites, and we're talking to some of my favorite 8 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:42.840 people about some of my favorite topics. Nothing that is necessarily up to the 9 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:48.320 minute as far as current events and news items. Many things might have occurred 10 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:54.520 from last Monday as I'm sitting here in the studio now on August twenty eight, 11 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.840 and the Monday when you're hearing this program, which of course is Labor 12 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.560 Day Night, September four, So we can make any kind of wild predictions 13 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.480 we want about what may have transpired in the last week. Can act like 14 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:12.120 we're here in the present tense, but we're not on the lineup. And 15 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:19.120 if I put together a Gary Jeff's Favorite nightcap with all of my favorite people 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.000 and all of my favorite topics and all of my favorite places to highlight. 17 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:27.000 This show would go on for probably a couple of days, and nobody wants 18 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:33.680 to hear that, including me, But for tonight's purposes. On the nightcap, 19 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.359 we will open up with a guy that has been a favorite of mine 20 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:42.280 for quite a while. He was responsible for repairing my beautiful nineteen forty one 21 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:47.640 phil Gold radio, which still sounds as christ to two point oh my wife 22 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:52.719 says like liquid gold thanks to this dude, a guy we call Old Radio 23 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:57.200 Rick. He will join us first in just a few minutes to talk about 24 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:04.480 another point in twentieth century history where radio played an actual role. We'll do 25 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:09.560 that. We'll be talking to, among other people, seven WLW Aviation and 26 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:17.280 financial stock Trading Day guy Jay Ratliffe with his story and his story if you've 27 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:24.240 never heard it is just phenomenal. It is a human interest story. It 28 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:29.840 is a story of hope, It is a story of perseverance, It is 29 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:37.520 a story of losses and ultimately wins. And I love Jay Ratliffe's story, 30 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.199 so we're gonna feature that this evening. Also, my friend Scott Powell, 31 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:50.039 who was an incredible patriot and writer and opinion guy who has a book called 32 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.840 Rediscovering America. We have featured Scott on many, many episodes of this program, 33 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.199 and we will do that again tonight on Labor Day, and it's American 34 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.199 roots. Was considered Labor Day kind of a It sounds like a commie holiday 35 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.639 to me, labor unions and all that, but Labor Day is not about 36 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:13.479 labor unions first and foremost, and Scott will explain. Plus, we have 37 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.879 old favorites, Andy Furman always a favor to talk to, Karen Cataline and 38 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:22.479 Moore. We'll get you started with old radio Rick on the Nightcap Labor Day 39 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:27.639 Night Special that was taped a week probably. Now here's the other thing. 40 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:35.080 If the world is blown up since I recorded this, or we've become a 41 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.879 communist nation, which we're well on the way to doing and have been for 42 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.400 quite a while. Sadly, if any of these things, I may not 43 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.879 make it back from Florida. I mean, God forbid, God only knows, 44 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.879 and I don't want to be macabre here, but I'm just telling you 45 00:03:53.039 --> 00:04:01.159 that this may be in fact my last broadcast ever because I'm simple not here 46 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:06.159 anymore. I've gone home. We will see just entertaining that prospect is making 47 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:13.680 some people very very happy. So I'm sure that God will let me live 48 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:18.040 so I can laugh in your face for laughing at my demise. Old Radio 49 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:27.399 Rick coming up next on the Nightcap Labor Day Special on seven hundred wlw's seven 50 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:35.240 hundred WLW Orange and Black Schedule Breakdown sponsored by Jake Sweetey Automotive, serving the 51 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:40.920 tri State for over one hundred years. Plum Type Plumbing, heating, cooling 52 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.279 and drains. Visit plumty dot com. No your host, Moe Egger. 53 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:51.199 The two biggest rivals in professional football right now might be the Bengals and Chiefs, 54 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:55.959 two teams who have played each other four times since early January of last 55 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.160 year, and who have met in two classic AFC Championship games in each the 56 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.199 past two seasons. Joe Burrow in the Bengals head to Arrowhead Stadium for another 57 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:08.360 late season matchup with Patrick Mahomes and company, this time in week seventeen on 58 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.839 New Year's Eve. This matchup could go a long way towards determining playoff seating 59 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.519 and it could impact where this year's AFC title game is played. It definitely 60 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.199 will be one of the most anticipated games on the entire NFL schedule. It'll 61 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:27.480 be the Bengals in Chiefs again in Kansas City on December the thirty first at 62 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:32.600 fourth third. Who has more on seven hundred WLW, the home of the 63 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:51.000 best Bengals coverage. Yes, I believe that's what the captain of the Titanic 64 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.519 was listening to, and that's why he steered the ship into an iceberg or 65 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:02.879 whatever the hell happened. Jerry Jiff's favors continue on this Labor Day on seven 66 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:09.079 w l W. And one of my favorite folks by far is a guy 67 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:14.920 that we affectionately call old Radio Rick. He calls himself that that's his email 68 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.160 address, Rick Washburn, who's regular on my Saturday morning show. We talk 69 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:24.319 about old Radio's as fun as that can possibly be. But we've also did 70 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.959 a series last year called American History on the Radio and had some big, 71 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.240 big happenings, big news events that occurred in the twentieth century where radio played 72 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.959 an integral role, or played a role for sure, in the dissemination of 73 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:45.839 the news itself. And Rick has prepared something on the Titanic. Now, 74 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:54.680 the Titanic April of nineteen twelve. You'd think there's really not that much proliferation 75 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.959 of radio at the time. But to explain and to talk for a few 76 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.480 minutes tonight, Rick Washburn, how you doing, Ricky? Hey, I'm 77 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.040 doing great, Gary Jet, Thanks for having me on again. Thanks for 78 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.879 the nice end up. Yeah, did you did you throw up a little 79 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:12.800 bit when you're at Selene dion No, I was too busy adding to the 80 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:17.079 conspiracy theories about the Titanic that that captain was listening to Selene dion plenty decided 81 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.920 to go ahead and crash into this. So so tell me, Rick, 82 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.399 Uh, We've we've got a few minutes here. We've got about I don't 83 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.079 know, whatever, whatever it takes, we got a few minutes. So 84 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.759 tell me about radio's role in well, I don't know, if it's a 85 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.319 recovery, the rescue, the news of the Titanic. How did you relate 86 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:43.519 that to radio in a kind of an American history on the radio sort of 87 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:47.519 way. Well, oddly enough, what made me think about this topic was 88 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.839 when we talked about Amelia Earhart last year. Yeah, because the one detail 89 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.680 that really stood out to me was one person in particular, but there were 90 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.439 dozens of people that received transmissions from believed to be from Amelia's plane, no 91 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.120 reason to think not so that the transcriptions of what was received were consistent. 92 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.279 But nobody, no local authorities that the transmissions were reported to, saying hey, 93 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.480 we just picked this up. We think it's Amelia and Fred and they're 94 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.399 in trouble, and go get them. Nobody would believe them. And then, 95 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.480 of course, days and days later, when the real news came out 96 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.879 of her disappearance and so forth, then it was I suppose too late to 97 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.839 do anything about it. And there's some parallels there with the Titanic, but 98 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:39.440 specifically the father of wireless radio, Googliermo Marconi, actually had been commissioned to 99 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.360 build a room on the Titanic, the radio room, with all of his 100 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.000 own custom equipment to be able to send and receive the radio signals. And 101 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.919 of course it was on Morse code back then, and you had to have 102 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.600 certain people that were dedicated on shore two would be able to receive signals and 103 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.879 so forth. Worth and that's fine, but several other of the ships were 104 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:11.000 also commissioned to have since Marconi systems installed by the Marconi International Marine Communications Company. 105 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.120 Yeah, you could have cut that down a bit there, Gugliamo. 106 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.159 But anyway, well you know the problem. The problem is if you've got 107 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:22.159 a transmitter, you've got to have somebody with a receiver. And it's nineteen 108 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:28.200 twelve, so please please continue. It's it's just like Alexander Graham Bell if 109 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.840 if, as if Watson wasn't up in the attic, who would have known 110 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:37.799 it worked? But so Marconi was actually given a free ticket to write on 111 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.840 the Titanic, but his daughter says that he decided to go on to RMS 112 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:48.639 Lusitania three days earlier instead because he had a lot of paperwork to do and 113 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.840 he liked their public stenographer better. Whatever that means. Wow, But so 114 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:58.600 okay. So April fifteenth, nineteen twelve, enter under the scene. One 115 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.879 fellow in Wales by the of Arthur Moore. He's born in eighteen eighty seven, 116 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:07.200 about twenty years old. He started constructing all kinds of antennas and home 117 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:13.799 grew cobbled together a rudimentary radio state equipment, and he never had enough power 118 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.639 to run the thing, and so he just cobbled up a generator that would 119 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.480 run by the mill that he was working at, and then got so good 120 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.440 at that that he ended up supplying a battery charging power to the farms that 121 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:33.559 surrounded him, and he and his electrical engineer Buddy Richard Jenkins arguably had the 122 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.519 first use of amateur wireless for the actual business purposes in Wales, which was 123 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.120 when he received an order over the year for grain to be delivered from the 124 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:46.279 mill to Jenkins Farm. And at that point the mill didn't really mind too 125 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:52.120 much about him screwing around with their equipment so much, but anyways, more 126 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.080 often defied his father. He'd see a late early hours of the mornings go 127 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.320 forth listening to signals, mostly from naval and merchant ships. And he made 128 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:07.120 front page news in nineteen eleven when he somehow intercepted a transmission from the Italian 129 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.200 Italian government declaring war on Libya in that year, and when that was proven 130 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.679 correct, suddenly he he actually had some you know, some good reputation with 131 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.799 the locals. Okay, So nineteen twelve comes along and in the early hours 132 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.120 of April fifteenth, in the loft of his seventeenth century mill near Blackwood, 133 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.960 Monmouthshire, uh he received a faint signal and again Morse code. What it 134 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:41.320 said was CQD CQD ss mGy position forty one forty four north fifty dot two 135 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.399 four west. Require immediate assistance, come at once. We have struck an 136 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:50.600 iceberg sinking. We're putting the women off in the boats. And as he's 137 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.960 scribbling all this down, another transmission came out and said women and children in 138 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:01.320 boats cannot mount match cannot last much longer. And as he's trying to keep 139 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:05.919 the signal, as it's fainting away, he hears finally come as quickly as 140 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.519 possible, old man or engineer room is filling up to the boilers. Wow. 141 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.559 So he was receiving these emergency transmissions from the Titanic, and he's in 142 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.360 Scotland or England, where was it. He's in Wales and three thousand miles 143 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.679 away from the Titanic. And it was believed, and I think it was 144 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:31.200 Marconi's on calculations that said, hey, this transmitter four hundred miles during the 145 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.120 day two thousand and dark. That's the best you're going to do. And 146 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.320 he's three thousand miles away. And when he tried to report it to local 147 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.639 authorities, they all scoffed at him and first of all said, what does 148 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.600 SS even mean. However, a few days later when the actual news came 149 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.080 out, it was clear that apparently, yeah, this was totally legit. 150 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:58.320 Because CQD was the standard British distress call SS was only used by the US 151 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.000 starting in nineteen o nine, was the first time it was officially used, 152 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.320 and the fact that both were being used suggested that, yeah, this is 153 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.960 legit. And there were actually other ships in the area that had mark Cony 154 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.080 equipment that could have picked them up. And there's a lot of speculation from 155 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.159 everything from oh it's dark outside, I'm tired, so they turned the radios 156 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:24.840 off to other situations where some boats were closer, but they tried to get 157 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.639 there. They didn't have enough room to bring very many survivors on board and 158 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.320 having help him if they pulled up and there were hundreds of people and then 159 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:39.600 they sank also from being overrun. So Mark mark Cony could have very well 160 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:45.360 been one of the victims of the Titanic disaster. It reminded me of the 161 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.519 coin flip on the aircraft with Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper and Richie Vallens 162 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.399 and Waylon Jennings loses a coin flip and therefore we have Whalen Jennings. But 163 00:13:54.440 --> 00:14:00.440 we don't have Buddy Holly big Bopper or Richie ritchie Vallence anymore. That's the 164 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.240 same thing with Tommy Shannon and Stevie ray Van. We have the Tommy Shannon 165 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.879 bass player and will Stevie ray absolutely, but yeah, it's exactly the same 166 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.399 thing. And I guess he had a crush on the Stenographer and the Lusitania. 167 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:18.000 I don't know. There was. There was rapid advancement in radio technology 168 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:24.600 right after the Titanic disaster. I mean, they already had the radio equipment 169 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.200 that, as as we know now was picked up in Wales, the distress 170 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.480 signal picked up in Wales three thousand miles away from the North Atlantic. And 171 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.360 how did things move after that point? Did radio become a standard install on 172 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:45.759 these big cruisers after the Titanic, well, for the for the most part, 173 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.679 for ships that actually could afford them and so forth, Yes, because 174 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.279 it proved to be viable Number one, number two, It did definitely start 175 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.919 a precedent of people taking it far more seriously and having more people listening for 176 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:03.080 even regular transmission, if not distress calls, and trying to do something about 177 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.919 it. It also proved that you know, Marconi's inventions certainly did work, 178 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:13.240 and it was reasonably practical, of course, and it also showed that the 179 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.000 radio could carry a lot further away than the line of sight that you would 180 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.200 need for the flares that the Titanic was was shooting off. And that was 181 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.559 a you know, another a great point to uh, to make it happen. 182 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.879 You mentioned, you mentioned the great Gigliermo Marconi, And I've never really 183 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:39.120 asked you your thoughts on the argument that many people make, arguably with some 184 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.759 validity, that it was really Tesla that was the father of modern radio and 185 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.679 not Marconi into it. How do you come down on that personally? That's 186 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.200 a that is a loaded six hour questions. Okay, well, well we've 187 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.399 got it. We've got about three minutes, so go. You know, 188 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:02.120 you know, honestly, Marconi, Edison, they both were, and and 189 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:07.080 and later RCA. Sarnoff. Some of these folks were Maybe they were brilliant 190 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.000 businessmen, but they were pretty much jerks. And you know, the Fleming 191 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.559 who invented the vacuum tube after reading over some of Edison's notebooks, and Edison 192 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:22.720 discovered something but didn't understand it, and Fleming created the the oh gosh, 193 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.039 what is the diode valve. Basically, this is a vacuum far better than 194 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.080 a cat's whisker. And Edison tried to block him from getting patents because he's 195 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.200 the one that wrote it down even though he didn't understand it. The patent 196 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.600 office said, no, Flaming, you can't patent this because the this is 197 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:44.399 already commonly understood art as they called it. And then lead to Forrest invented 198 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:48.120 the tryout or that the power tube from that, and he was blocked from 199 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:52.559 getting patents or tried to be blocked by by Flaming because they are invented the 200 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.639 tube and I couldn't get patents for that. My point of bringing up Flaming 201 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.720 is that he was actually the genius power engineer, much like Teslu was the 202 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:06.000 the genius electricity guy. Fleming did all of Marconi's work for the Transatlantic transmission 203 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.200 experiment, and and Fleming was told by Marconi, Hey, if this is 204 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:12.960 successful, I'm going to take the credit, but I'm going to give you 205 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.440 five hundred years a stock in my company. Well, pure enough, Marconi 206 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.119 took all the credit, but those shars never showed up. Well, I've 207 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.319 heard some of the horrendous stories about Thomas Edison and what a what a jerk? 208 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.720 He was stubborn. I wouldn't say he was genius, but he was 209 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:36.359 stubborn. Well, we're standing on the shoulders of jerks, apparently, listen, 210 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.039 just got to start somewhere. I will be forever in your debt for 211 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.519 the wonderful job you did with my forty one Phil Coo. We mentioned it 212 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.880 from time to time because that's really what was the basis or the start of 213 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.279 our friendship. And I'm glad it's continued through all these years. And I'm 214 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:59.160 glad to have you on Saturday morning for a little chat and a reception report 215 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:03.039 with the latest great antique radio you happen to be working on at any given 216 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.880 time. Rick Washburn, thanks for being part of the Labor Day Gary Jeff's 217 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:14.359 favorites, the Titanic. If anybody had believed in radio, radio would have 218 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:19.720 played a more important factor perhaps indeed. All right, man, it is 219 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.279 my pleasure as always every time, and thank you so much for everything to 220 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.279 do. You got it, buddy, Thank you very much, Ricky Washburn, 221 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:32.720 Old Radio. Rick Tonight on our special coming up next, we'll talk 222 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.279 to Jay Ratliffe. Well now, actually Scott Powell is up next Jay Ratliffe. 223 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:38.920 A little bit later on in the show, I'm getting ahead of myself 224 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.519 because I'm so excited about our guest. I hope you stick around for more 225 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:51.839 here on seven hundred WLW News Traffic and Weather News Radio seven hundred wl W, 226 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.640 Cincinnati. A fire at a local middle school causing serious damage with a 227 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:02.319 nine thirty year port on Tarren Johnson King now in person learning has been canceled 228 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:04.720 for the rest of the week after a fire broke out this morning at Hopewell 229 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:11.200 Junior School. Multiple crews responding to the scene in Westchester around nine am after 230 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.119 reports of a fire coming from the back of the building. The Westchester Fire 231 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.279 Department says the fire is believed to be an accidental electric fire that started near 232 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.319 a locker room. The fire was quickly extinguished by crews, but not before 233 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.799 it reportedly caused parts of the roof to collapse. The school says its students 234 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.440 will have a calamity Day tomorrow, followed by remote learning starting Wednesday through the 235 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.519 rest of the week. Now the lads traffick and weather together, we're not 236 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.119 seeing any major delayser accidents on tri state highways at this hour. Now the 237 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.519 latest forecast from the Train Heating and Cooling Weather Center on news radio seven hundred 238 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:51.319 WLW. In the forecast, as we had to our Tuesday morning, partly 239 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:56.079 cloudy seven am, temperature of seventy two. As we head through our Tuesday, 240 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:59.759 a mix of sun and clouds, a few spotty storms. My high 241 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.000 ninety two at night, a chance of storms, then fair and a low 242 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:07.160 as seventy. From your severe Weather station, I'm nine First Warning, Chief 243 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:14.359 Meteorologist Steve Rawleigh, News Radio seven hundred wl W. It's currently clear and 244 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:18.279 eighty degrees. In sports, the Reds entering the day tied for the third 245 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.119 and final National League wildcard spot as they began a three game series first the 246 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.920 AL West leading Seattle Mariners at Great American Ballpark. The home team wasting no 247 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.680 time jumping out in front as they tagged Mariners starter Brian Woo for two runs 248 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.920 in the first and added on in the second thanks to a three run shot 249 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:37.359 by Spencer Steer that made it a five nothing game. From there, the 250 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.240 Red Legs were able to coast the rest of the way, tacking on another 251 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.599 run in the seventh and limiting Seattle's offense to three runs on the day as 252 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.000 Cincinnati comes out on top six to three. The Reds remain tied with Arizona 253 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.960 for the third in a wildcard spot and go up a half game on the 254 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.480 Marlins, who had an off day today and the Giants, who lost to 255 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.480 the Chicago Cubs. Game two of the series is set for tomorrow even Our 256 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.039 coverage kicks off with the inside pitch at five forty, followed by first pitch 257 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.839 from Connor Phillips at six forty. Our next update is at ten o'clock. 258 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:11.480 I'm tarn Johnson News Radio seven hundred WLW. The two most sought after, 259 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:17.240 most prestigious names in bridal jewelry come together for one epic event this weekend in 260 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:25.079 Genesis. Welcome back to the Nightcap Labor Day Special. It's special because well 261 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:30.079 of the people that are included in the program, and this guest is definitely 262 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.400 on that list. I was going to call this show Gary Jeff's Favorites, 263 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.000 but then the show would have to be about I don't know, maybe two 264 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.480 or three days long, if I had everybody that I enjoyed talking to, 265 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.559 because I make it a point with this show to talk to people that I 266 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.400 really enjoy hearing from I don't necessarily agree with all of them, but it's 267 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:55.759 always magic because we just have good report and chemistry, and this man is 268 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.839 certainly one of those folks. It is Labor Day, so I thought no 269 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.880 thing better than to get a patriotic, god fearing historian on the program to 270 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.279 talk about it. He's the author of Rediscovering America, is the best selling 271 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.839 book in the history genre. He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute 272 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.880 and writes for The Federalist. Welcome in, Scott Powell. Good evening, 273 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.559 Scott, Well, thank you, Gary, Jeff. It's a pleasure to 274 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.359 be with you in your audience. It's always it's always a great conversation Rediscovering 275 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.000 America, just as a recap for folks who have not heard us on the 276 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.880 air before Scott, and after so many appearances, probably there's one or two 277 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:41.279 left, but anyway, for that, Rediscovering America is about how, and 278 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:45.400 it's based around the holidays that we celebrate in this country. It's really yet 279 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:52.680 to why it's an essential book and belongs in everyone's shelf is because it tells 280 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.759 America's story from the point of view of why and the big The big part 281 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:02.920 of that, why is that had a hand right from the beginning of the 282 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:08.640 Pilgrims and the Puritans, and then all of our every period thereafter, certainly 283 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.440 you know the Civil War period. After the first we had the founding and 284 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:21.480 the founders, of course were Christian, and they didn't create a Christian nation 285 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:27.759 per se, but they applied Christian principles to the formation of the fulfillment of 286 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:33.000 the Declaration of Independence. How could we get the declaration put into governmental form? 287 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:38.160 And that was the Constitutional Convention and the most widely read book that was 288 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:42.319 cited more in the debates for the Constitutional Convention with none other than the Bible. 289 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.759 These people were God fearing people, and they knew they were very idealistic 290 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.920 because they wanted to empower people to be all they could be. But they 291 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:56.240 recognize that people are sinful, they have flaws, and that power corrupts money 292 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.400 and power corrupts. So they decided we need to check and balances to mitigate 293 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.559 the corruption. And they then divided the country between the federal government and the 294 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.720 state government. Oh and by the way, they added things in the constitution 295 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:14.640 like, uh, the impeachment clause and the emoluments clause that no one in 296 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:21.079 government should receive any money, uh while they're serving, they certainly shouldn't receive 297 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.960 foreign money without permission of Congress. So I think Joe Biden's in a bit 298 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:30.839 of trouble. That's a that's that's a that's that's another discussion, trouble on 299 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:37.240 many fronts. Please continue. Yeah, So, after we had a you 300 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.240 know, the founding was just absolutely profound, and anyone that doubts the hand 301 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.640 of God being in our founding can just look at little anecdotal things. For 302 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.920 instance, Uh, you know, we we are. First president, of 303 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.480 course, was George Washington, then it was John Adams, and then it 304 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:56.319 was Thomas Jefferson. And it turns out that Jefferson and Adams were they differed, 305 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.920 they had they had some arguments with each other. But do you know 306 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:08.400 that they both died on July fourth, on the fiftieth anniversary eighteen twenty exploration. 307 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.599 Yes, yep, of the of the declaration of an event. Both 308 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.319 of them died on the same day. And for those doubts say, well 309 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.319 it statistically it's unlikely, but it could happen. Well, then God wanted 310 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:23.640 to hammer the point home because the fifth president of the United States. That 311 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:30.519 was James Madison who stood, who sat in the seat behind George Washington and 312 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.359 crossing the Delaware and carried the you know, carried the American flag. James 313 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:40.759 Monroe was our fifth president. He died on July fourth. Also, wow, 314 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.400 So that's what are the odds. A statistician would put those in the 315 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:51.079 one in the millions somewhere or or more. Absolutely So, I'm not a 316 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:56.000 mathematician or statistician, but you're right, it seems like a very odd coincidence. 317 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:59.880 If it's a coincidence at all, that's right. So anyway, the 318 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.960 purpose of the book is to tell this great story, and I decided to 319 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:10.960 when I realized the holidays were so rich with backstories, and I could tell 320 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:17.440 all the important stories that American people need to know by explaining these these backstories 321 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.799 of history, how God's hand was involved at every stage of America and up 322 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.920 through the civil rights movement. I think that when we drove prayer out of 323 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:33.079 school and then we legitimized abortion, homosexual marriage, and so it's been all 324 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.160 downhill really since the nineteen sixties. But most of our main holidays were you 325 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:42.160 were stabbed, Martin Luther King was the last major holiday, and he of 326 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:47.279 course gave his life for the civil rights movement. But Labor Day is sandwiched 327 00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:48.279 in all that, and people say, well, what is it really, 328 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.279 you know, what's Labor Day all about. It's a vague It's a rather 329 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.839 vague holiday, you know, without the clarity and meeting typically associated with some 330 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:02.480 with most of the other holidays. But in its most complete context, Labor 331 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:07.880 Day should be recognized as the holiday that celebrates not only labor, but also 332 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:15.440 the ideas, the job creators, and the institutions central to the flourishing of 333 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.319 the United States and its people. You know, for starters, let's think 334 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.400 about it very simply. For starters, consider the tools that were brought by 335 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:29.039 colonists who arrived in the New World along the eastern seaboard of the United States, 336 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.920 which would later become the United States. These were just colonies back in 337 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.039 the in the sixteen hundreds. Now, these tools that they brought were the 338 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.079 same rudimentary tools such as shovels, axes, hoes, and plows that had 339 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:48.079 been used for prior centuries. But something happened in America that sped up economic 340 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:56.240 development and transformed labor output beyond what had ever happened previously in human history, 341 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:03.759 and colonial Americas certainly benefited from the act that the early settlers were self selecting 342 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.160 group of people. Right they chose to come here, and they were willing 343 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.559 to leave the familiarity of their European homes and cross a very dangerous ocean. 344 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:19.240 Because they were tough and willing to sacrifice and taste take risks. These settlers 345 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:26.039 were predisposed to forego immediate gratification and to work hard, and they not only 346 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:32.680 prospered, but within a generation or two, particularly in the Puritan settlement in 347 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.759 Boston, many of the descendants a chief surprising wealth that in many cases was 348 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:45.279 created from nothing. In addition, in contrast to today, what stands out 349 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:51.920 about towns and cities in colonial America was the relative absence of poverty. There 350 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.359 was no poverty among the Puritans. You never saw anyone sleeping on the street 351 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:02.000 or with their hand out because all you know, they all could work, 352 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.880 they could prosper. There was opportunity, you know. And when we think 353 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.599 of the great commentators on America, I think Alexis to Totel is really one 354 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.000 of the most remarkable. He wrote Democracy in America in the eighteen forties, 355 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:22.440 and he pointed out that in contrast to Europeans, Americans regard work as positively 356 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:29.319 honorable, in part that was undeadily attributed to the Christian influence in America. 357 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.279 Do you know, does your audience know that the Bible makes more than four 358 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:41.160 hundred and fifty references to the value and importance of work, specifically referring to 359 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.960 work as a virtue more times in scripture than it refers to other virtues such 360 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:52.000 as prayer, faith, hope, joy, forgiveness, mercy, grace, 361 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:59.279 or peace. Can you believe that thus it was and still should be widely 362 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.440 recognized that work is good for the soul and necessary to a fulfilling life with 363 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.799 dignity and meaning you don't want it in another way, Scott, and I 364 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.799 know you've got so much more and we've got just a limited amount of time. 365 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.240 But yeah, I would just mention that there's this move to a four 366 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.440 day work week or you know, working from home, and again it seems 367 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.519 to be in direct conflict with what you were talking about that was set forward 368 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.079 at the beginning of this great experiment we call the United States of America. 369 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.839 Well, let me describe why why what work really Why? Why is really 370 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.200 good for people? Why? It's it's totally aligned with God's purpose, God's 371 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.440 purpose for our lives. God was a creator, right, we know that 372 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.880 God is the master creator and we are the pinnacle of his creation. We 373 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.559 are created in his image and likeness. Therefore, if God is a creator, 374 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.839 we are creators. And where can we best show our creativity? But 375 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:07.400 in in work by what we do, and and creativity isn't always you know, 376 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.000 like the artistic creativity. It's finding better ways to do things. It's 377 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:17.319 creative, it's you know, this is what entrepreneurial. Entrepreneurialism is all about. 378 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:22.680 It's it's finding better ways of of of combining uh talent within a with 379 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.440 within a you know, business structure that can have a new, new, 380 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:33.839 a new kind of result. So, you know, creativity is you know, 381 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.960 is a very important part of why we work. And we find meaning 382 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:42.880 through our creativity. So I think people that are that are doing simple labor, 383 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.720 particularly if it interfaces with the public, they can find a lot of 384 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:55.119 meaning by being really helpful to their customers, going out of their way to 385 00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.920 ask them questions and see if you can't you know, upsell them or point 386 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.599 them in a new in a direction that solves their problem. And uh, 387 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.720 and the story of capitalism is so remarkable. One of the stories that prospered 388 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:16.559 the most was one in which some of the employees referred their customers to another 389 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:24.559 competitor because they didn't carry what they wanted in their story. Miracle st Yes, 390 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:29.599 that's the story. It's a great Christmas story, isn't it. Yes, 391 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.839 it is. So I would say, there's just a close on this. 392 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.720 You know, there's a new narrative about labor day, and you know 393 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:42.480 why we commenorate all who labor, it makes sense to also celebrate the entrepreneurs 394 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.720 and the intermediaries who create jobs and new labor opportunities that come out of launching 395 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.599 new business ventures. So America has always been the most entrepreneurial nation in the 396 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.759 world. And when we go to a four day work week or we look 397 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:02.640 to have more leisure time, the chances are we're going to lose a little 398 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:09.119 bit of that entrepreneurial drive, if you will. Yeah. So it work 399 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:14.920 is service and God calls us service, God calls us into service. And 400 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.559 you're talking about trying to do to go the extra mile to make their customers 401 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.000 sat and to help their customer be satisfied with the work that is that God 402 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:29.839 has given us to do. And so but again, those things that stand 403 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.839 in the way of the entrepreneurial spirit that you're talking about, uh, you 404 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:39.759 know, increased taxes, increased regulations, a government coming down on people creating 405 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:45.880 things that is actually anti God. And we I mean, Ronald Reagan saw 406 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.720 that, Donald Trump saw that with the elimination of regulations and lower taxes, 407 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:58.559 and the other side just fighting tooth and nail against that because they think there's 408 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:04.039 a better way than God. It sounds almost Luciferian to me. Well, 409 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:10.039 it's true too that as corporations get larger and larger, they actually favor more 410 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:16.199 regulation because the regulation always puts a greater burden on the small startup company than 411 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:21.440 it does on the well established company. So, you know, I remember 412 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.480 when this unerous regulation was passed called Sarbaines Oxley. It was passed after the 413 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:32.679 two thousand and eight financial collapse that overlaid all these new regulations on accounting within 414 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.440 corporations. And I was, you know, I wrote a major article on 415 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.880 it, was published in the Wall Street Journal, was published in Barren's Financial 416 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.679 and basically in my research, what I found was that big companies sort of 417 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.960 didn't really object to it because they could see that Sarbaines Oxley regulations would really 418 00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.320 kill their their young upstart competitors, and it would help keep their business base 419 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:07.360 secure. So it's sad to say that people will act in their self interest 420 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.480 corporately more, you know, more than perhaps what an ideal economy that's just 421 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.760 based on competition of merit and ideas. Ultimately, it is merit and it 422 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:23.480 is ideas that should drive the economy, and it shouldn't be politics or regulations 423 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:28.960 that drive the economy. Scott. Again, another component of what you're talking 424 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:35.320 about happened in twenty twenty during the scammed demic lockdowns big business, the box 425 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.360 stores, they didn't suffer an io. They got richer, they got wealthier. 426 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:44.400 Look what happened to mom and pop shops, to the small individual entrepreneur 427 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.599 and business person in this country, whether they be restaurants or florist or any 428 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.320 of the other businesses that were considered quote unquote non essential by the government, 429 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.119 it was still a consolidation of power right there at the top. Whether it's 430 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:05.360 a corporation or it's a government that is inherently evil and antithetical to the American 431 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:10.199 founding father's vision for this country. Is it not? Absolutely? Absolutely? 432 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.079 Let's think about this, don't you think when we reflect back on the last 433 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:20.280 three and a half years that have been a huge imposed, a huge hardship, 434 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:25.880 Americans are going through a difficult time. There's clearly something fundamentally wrong about 435 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.960 what has gone down with outcomes in the last three and a half years. 436 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:37.400 These are the COVID years, and they're namely the Biden years. There's something 437 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.079 really wrong. Most Americans have become significantly poor. Many businesses got shuttered and 438 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:49.599 closed, the smaller businesses, while the elites like Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos 439 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.079 of Amazon, Mark Zuckerberg Facebook, Elon Musk who's a hero of some people 440 00:36:54.199 --> 00:37:00.440 on the right, but he really prospered, Anthony Fauci, they've all become 441 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.039 fablishly richer during this time where everyone else has become worth There's something fundamentally wrong 442 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.039 with that. But worse, you know, America has become a nation of 443 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.079 justice disparity. We no longer have equal justice be you know, before the 444 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.639 law. Anyway. That's another that's that's that's for another another talk show. 445 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.719 Let's go into that. Another shows two minutes here anything any other thoughts on 446 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:30.679 Labor Day since we're here now, Well, I think, among profound things, 447 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:37.960 I think, what's exceptional, uh about the United States? You know, 448 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.199 we've had we've had one constitution for two hundred and thirty four years, 449 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.039 and while the average length of other nations constitutions would be less than twenty years. 450 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.599 What accounts for our nation's longevity making America truly unique and exceptional is found 451 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:59.440 in the Declaration of Independence, which established that citizens have unalienable, God given 452 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.199 rights that cannot be taken away by the state. You know, the founding 453 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.559 of the United States was an exceptional moment in human history. And because those 454 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.360 ideas can't be canceled or rescinded try as the establishment will, this so called 455 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:21.159 deep state, our country remains exceptional. And Labor Day really celebrates American exceptionalism 456 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:27.079 through the work and the accomplishments of our really incredible, diverse people. But 457 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.159 we've got we've got to defend it now because we're under attack more than ever 458 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.800 before. And you know, there's rumors of you know, a new probably 459 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.239 it's a man made virus. Just as the first one was a new pandemic, 460 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.760 new regulations, masking lockdowns. We have to resist all of that, 461 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:51.039 absolutely civil disobedience first, Scott listen, that put to God a great bow 462 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.239 on our conversation. So thank you so much again. Folk who have not 463 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.960 seen the book Rediscovering America, check it out. Scott Powell the author, 464 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.360 and God bless you and thank you for being a part of this nightcap Labor 465 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.960 Day special. It continues in moments after the top of the hour here on 466 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:14.519 seven hundred w l W to receive forgiveness. It's a great gift and blessing. 467 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.159 It's not an afterthought. Well. September fourth, twenty twenty three, 468 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.960 Gary Jeff Walker back with you and it's Gary Jeff's Favorites. That's the theme 469 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.280 of tonight's show and leading off this hour. One of my favorite people would 470 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:37.079 talk to you on the radio anywhere about anything, and he's also very very 471 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.920 popular all over the country as he does aviation reports and talks a little bit 472 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.920 about his financial day trading stock thing that he's got going on and has been 473 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.920 very successful. It teaches a class on it, or did for quite a 474 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.880 while. The one and Only Jay Ratliffe and I wanted to have Jay on 475 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:06.800 tonight because he has such a compelling, heart wrenching at many cases and successful 476 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.719 story. And you don't get to be a Jay Ratliffe without going through what 477 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:21.159 they say in Shawshank Redemption three hundred yards of whatever to get clean on the 478 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.880 out on the other side. I don't know if that's an apt reference or 479 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.400 not, but Jay, welcome to the Nightcap. It's great to have you 480 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.159 back, my brother. It's it's a good beer. Yes, I think 481 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:36.920 that is a very appropriate analogy, but I would be remiss at not on 482 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.320 this day. Wishing my parents happy anniversary. Today's number sixty two for them. 483 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.480 Oh yeah, happy anniversary to my beloved parents who believe me with me 484 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.800 growing up, had to put up with a lot. Oh yeah, well 485 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:52.159 my mom, my mom and dad had four boys. I was the oldest. 486 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.639 Why why why they kept on trying after me? I have no idea, 487 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:01.159 but it's always good to talk to you, my friend. Good to 488 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.960 talk to you. I wanted to because one of the most like I said, 489 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:12.840 compelling stories anyone has ever told that I've heard while I've been hosting a 490 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.119 show came from this guy, Jay Ratliffe, and it was about just your 491 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:24.239 struggle to follow your dream and the things that you went through preparing for the 492 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:29.559 person you are now. And if you can just take us back to the 493 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:34.960 beginning and what happened after that, we'll get in as much as we can 494 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.519 in the next fifteen or sixteen minutes. O kJ go ahead, Well, 495 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.280 Gary Jeff, I'll give it my best. But you know, I grew 496 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.400 up watching my dad, who was self employed. He was a builder, 497 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.280 built a lot of homes in the Indian Hill area. He built the ATP 498 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.920 Tennis Stadium they're in Mason, built homes for a lot of the professional athletes 499 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.559 who would come to town, an ac low pets, whole bunch of people 500 00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:00.639 that I got to growing up, and I thought, you know, I 501 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.480 want to I want to have my own business of some kind as I grow 502 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.719 up. Now, the more I sent time with my dad outside, I 503 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.280 knew, no, construction is not what I want to do moving forward. 504 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.000 So at eighteen years of age, went to work for an airline in Monroe, 505 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:21.840 Louisiana, right out of high school, and from there I began the 506 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.920 process of learning the industry. In October nineteen eighty one, forward and Harry 507 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.199 Jeff the people that I was around had backups. In other words, we 508 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:35.360 would get laid off in the industry frequently, because back then airlines would have 509 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.480 good years, bad years, and we were constantly being laid off rehired. 510 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.320 Especially when I got into management. It was just a matter of when was 511 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.039 it going to happen. And there were some people that owned businesses like beauty 512 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:50.719 salons, or people that had horses, or people that had other forms of 513 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.960 a backup, and I didn't have any. So through the eighties I was 514 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:58.119 kind of thinking, I would I really need to have something so that the 515 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.320 next time we have another round of layoffs, I've got something to fall back 516 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.760 on, kind of a revenue stream. Plus I still it always wanted to 517 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.880 be my own boss. And that's when in nineteen ninety two I got to 518 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:12.079 hurt somebody on the radio talking about how the stock market could be looked at 519 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.599 as a business and use as a business. And I'm not gonna lie it 520 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.480 to you, Garrett Jeff. I thought that was the dumbest statement I ever 521 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.239 heard in my life. I thought, there is no way you can take 522 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:27.000 something as random as the stock market and use it as a business. Consistently. 523 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.920 There was just no way to do it. While I was intrigued enough 524 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.199 that I started to do research in nineteen ninety two, and the more I 525 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:37.119 did, the more I became even more intrigued, and I just kind of 526 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:42.360 continued the study up until the point that I was at the time a general 527 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:47.559 manager for Northwest Airlines overseeing several stations, and Northwest showed up one day and 528 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.519 said, Jay, we gave our mechanics thirty five percent race. We're cutting 529 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:57.639 five percent from every department. So they offered me several positions that I would 530 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:02.159 not take to leave the Dayton station where I was a position. So my 531 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:07.159 position was eliminated, and that's when I decided to take my part time love 532 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.039 of the stock market and make it full time. And I thought, you 533 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.920 know, I've pretty much already got it figured out, so yeah, let's 534 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.079 just do it. So I moved into the travel lodge, which was right 535 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.519 at the Dayton International Airport, Room one twenty one, and I figured i'd 536 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.559 be there five six months, have this day trading stuff down, and the 537 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.039 way I'd go. But again, arrogance being what it is, didn't serve 538 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.840 me well because I wasn't there for five or six months. I was there 539 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.719 for ten years, and the only way I could feed myself was I delivered 540 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.760 Wall Street journals, New York Times in the Dayton Daily News in the morning 541 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.400 from about four in the morning until seven thirty. I'd get back to the 542 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.320 motel sleep from seven thirty till nine thirty in the morning, and then I'd 543 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:50.519 watch the stock market from nine thirty until four. I'd go to a place 544 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.599 that built GM car seats from five thirty until two, which would allow me 545 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.000 to circle back to the place where the news papers would come in. And 546 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.239 I just kind of continue that cycle every day the week for the most part, 547 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.639 six days a week or so, and I was living on two to 548 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.960 three hours of sleep, and I'm going to say, you're almost in a 549 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.599 twenty four hour day at this point. Okay, it was. And I 550 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.039 was making a fraction of what I made at Northwest Airlines. And a lot 551 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:15.519 of people are very close to me who did not know where I was living 552 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.719 at the time because I didn't tell anybody. I said, Jay, why 553 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.920 aren't you going back to work for the for the airlines that you were good 554 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:24.679 at it? And I said, yeah, but there's a ceiling. It's 555 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.320 corporate America. The minute they get tired with you, they're going to kick 556 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.800 you out the door. I don't want to go through that again. And 557 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:35.159 I'm dedicated right now just trying to make this thing happen. But Gary, 558 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.840 Jeff, when you were in a motel room where you know, when it 559 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.280 snows, the snow's blowing underneath the door, and you're kind of by yourself. 560 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.599 I had my daughters, but they lived with my ex wife over in 561 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.639 Springboro, and when I had them, we would go to my parents' house 562 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.840 in Lebanon. They never ever saw that small, little hundred and twenty foot 563 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.079 square room that I was in. But there were many nights that I would 564 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.280 go to bed and just kind of look up at the ceiling when I was 565 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.920 getting two or three hours of sleep, thinking, Okay, I'm approaching forty 566 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.800 years of age. I don't really have anything to show for it, and 567 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.239 what if my better days are behind me? And that's why when movies like 568 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.239 In Pursuit of Happiness, which is a great movie with Will Smith and For 569 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.280 the Love of the Game another great movie with Kevin Costner that documented, you 570 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.440 know, certain struggles and things that people went through, they were hard for 571 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.239 me to watch because that was kind of a reflection in the mirror. Even 572 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:31.599 though those stories turned out great mine at the time it was tough. It 573 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:36.639 was emotional there. I would start to date someone. Of course, they 574 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.559 want to know where you live. What do you tell them? Small place 575 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.760 to hear the airport. They want to know what you do for a job. 576 00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.119 We'll deliver papers and doing this trying to make the sockmare at work, 577 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.760 and it got to the point where it was it was difficult. But then 578 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.719 there was a year that everything clicked. My batting average got up to about 579 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:58.679 seventy six to seventy eight percent, and I took two thousand dollars, which 580 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.960 is all I had, and doubled it the next month, doubled it the 581 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.079 month after that, and it just took off from there to the point to 582 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.679 buy two thousand and seven and eight. I had a portfolio just about twenty 583 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.159 five thousand dollars, and there were times I'd make one hundred thousand dollars in 584 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.039 ninety days. So it was something that just by flipping stocks quickly because I 585 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.000 don't like risk. Because I used to buy calm Air stock, I'd buy 586 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.079 it at like twenty dollars a year, it would drift up to twenty five, 587 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.880 I'd sell it and then I'd wait for its come down. But the 588 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.800 problem is I would beholding that stock for several months before it would recover. 589 00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:32.519 And I'm a very risk averse kind of guy, and I don't like risk 590 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.960 at all. So I thought, how can I reduce it? And I 591 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.519 thought, well, put my money in the market for a shorter period of 592 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.719 time. So the next thing I know, I'm learning how to flip stocks 593 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.440 and as a result, making a whole lot more money than I ever made 594 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:50.039 in the airline industry. And I remembered the prayer that I had in that 595 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.760 motel room at the travel Lodge, Lord, if you can bless me, 596 00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:57.519 I just want to be a blessing to other people. So it was a 597 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.559 few years after that that I made the decision that I would start an online 598 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:05.480 class that would allow me to teach other individuals that might be interested in You're 599 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.800 learning how to use the stock market for quick games like that, And the 600 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.800 next thing I know, it exploded into a business that's gone international. I 601 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.960 still do it. I've got students all over the world that I'm able to 602 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.280 train, and I love doing it because I remember what it was like to 603 00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.440 not have any direction, any mentor anything at all. And I remember something 604 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:29.719 I don't think I've ever told anybody this. There was a time when I 605 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.039 was in that motel room, I knew of two former NFL or two former 606 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.440 pro athletes that were doing quite a bit of stock trading. One was a 607 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.880 kicker, Lee Johnson, remember yeah, and the other was the other was 608 00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.480 Tracy Jones. I sent both of them all letter, never met him, 609 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.760 didn't know them, and said, hey, if you can give me any 610 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.920 advice in any direction, anything, I would because apparently they were pretty good 611 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.480 at what they were doing. And I didn't hear anything back, and nothing 612 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:00.199 against those guys, because Tracy and I are good friends now and I never 613 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.960 met Lee. But the whole idea was to not have a mentor a coach, 614 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.360 somebody that could help you learn the ropes, so to speak. It 615 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.679 was a matter of me just trying to do it on my own. And 616 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:15.039 I'll never forget one day sitting in a car listening to Clark Howard, who 617 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.000 I loved listening to on the radio. He's a he's a consumer advocate for 618 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.639 he does a lot of stuff with seeing in another place, and somebody called 619 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.280 and ask him about day trading, and he didn't say no or try to 620 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:30.079 talk him out of it, but he just really thought, and maybe that's 621 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.159 not the way to go. And I remember the first year I made seventy 622 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.320 five thousand dollars, I sent a copy of all my trades to Clark Howard, 623 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.639 saying, had I listened to you that day, I never would be 624 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.360 experiencing what I did the next day. Next year, one hundred and fifty 625 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.559 thousand, Clark gets all of them. Next year to two hundred twenty five 626 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.960 thousand. I did the same thing because the ability to work for yourself and 627 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.280 go anywhere you want to go is a freedom that corporate America just can't give 628 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.880 us. But it all started with that incredible price of ten years in that 629 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.519 motel room. And had you told me day one, Gary Jay, you're 630 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:01.840 gonna be here for ten years, how to walk right out the door? 631 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.800 I would have said, I'm not that tough. There's no way that Jay, 632 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.159 I know, is tough enough to stick it out for ten years through 633 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:15.320 blizzards, delivering a million newspapers over that period of time, rainstorms, freezing 634 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.880 weather. I mean, it was like a joke. It was like anything 635 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.159 possible that could have happened to me during that time delivering newspapers and who has 636 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.960 an owl fly in their window and get stuck in their vehicle? Me? 637 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.239 You know, people walking around naked in the middle of the night, getting 638 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.280 your car stuck in somebody's yard or in a nice store. I mean, 639 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.639 everything that possibly could have happened that I could have used as Okay, this 640 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.199 is God telling Jay it's over. I was just dumb enough to keep going 641 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.239 until the point that I succeeded. And that's why I tell people all the 642 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.599 time, I don't care what you dreams. Don't ever, ever ever give 643 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.519 up even though people say, now you've been doing this for a number of 644 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:52.639 years. If you were going to do it, don't you think you would 645 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.960 have achieved it by now? Don't listen to people. I mean, dreams 646 00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.800 are something that are out there that you know. Look, you had a 647 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.800 dream, you followed it, and uh, you know, the idea that 648 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.760 you can achieve something that you think is impossible. You should never stand in 649 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.280 the way of giving it. Giving it you're all And yeah, for me, 650 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.400 the all was moving into that motel room, which was lonely, depressing. 651 00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.800 It was tough, Gary Jeff. There were times I'm gonna lie to 652 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:23.760 you. I'd lay down and look up and say, you know, Lord, 653 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.119 I know where I'm going. If something happens to me, I don't 654 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.000 care tomorrow if I don't wake up. That's how depressed I got. And 655 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:36.000 I never thought about hurting myself. But the depths of depression you can get 656 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.679 in being by yourself in that kind of an exhausted state, I totally get. 657 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:45.119 And it never lasted long, but it was there, and when it 658 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.320 was there, it was it was deep. And thank God, a few 659 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:51.039 years later, after I got out of there and the business was going, 660 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.119 I'm at Sherry, and you know, my life turned around and ways I 661 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.039 can't imagine. But now you know, you know, We've got a five 662 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.280 thousand square foot home in Ohio, got a five thousand square foo at home 663 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.199 down on the water in Savannah, And all of this comes from that dinky 664 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.440 little room of a motel that used to stand up at the day International Airport. 665 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.320 Well, you had to you had to crawl through three hundred yards of 666 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.360 to get you and I both have have had those depressing times. Oh yeah, 667 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:24.159 yeah, yeah. So for me, I was telling that I was 668 00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:28.760 telling you the other day, Jay, when we talked about doing this interview 669 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:35.880 in the show. Uh that at it was Thanksgiving of twenty thirteen. I 670 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:42.880 just moved into a house by myself, and I had just completed serving Thanksgiving 671 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.320 dinner to people at the bar where I work in Newport, which now I've 672 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.320 done, jeez, every every year since twenty twelve, with the exception of 673 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.360 the COVID year in twenty twenty Thanksgiving of that year. Man. But uh, 674 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:59.880 I had I'd been in bad relationships, bad personal relationships ever since. 675 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.920 I had had separated and divorced from my wife Krista back in like two thousand 676 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.760 and one. And I got home and after all all these people tell me 677 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.159 how much they appreciated my work and my effort for that day, it was 678 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.639 kind of like every the air went out of the balloon when I was home 679 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:21.440 alone by myself, and I go and you know, I don't have anybody 680 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:27.400 to share this with. And I thought the same kind of thoughts you expressed, 681 00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.320 is like, you know what this is. I guess the end for 682 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.639 me and I'll just I'll fulfill my obligations to the end of the year, 683 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.079 and then I don't care what happens, and like I said, never overtly 684 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.519 took any action to hurt myself from never made any plans to do that. 685 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:46.280 But that depression lasted for maybe about five minutes and I went to sleep, 686 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.920 and the next day I thought, well, something something, something's gonna something's 687 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:55.320 gonna click here. And then I met krista New Year's Eve just two months 688 00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:01.519 later, and my life completely turned around. And I think that everyone should 689 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:08.119 know that there is hope, there is promise, there is a future if 690 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:14.239 you, just as you said earlier, continue to follow your dream no matter 691 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:20.199 what come, what may. All I ever wanted to be was on the 692 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.360 radio since I was seven years old, and here I am, all these 693 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:28.519 years later, forty three years plus in the business. I'm still actively on 694 00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:32.880 the air, and so I'm grateful to God, and I'm grateful that I 695 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.599 stuck with it. So I definitely understand that sentimentality or that that mentality. 696 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:43.280 Jay Rely, There's a lot of people that achieve a lot in their life 697 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.320 and something happens, or find whatever happens, and they go from rags to 698 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.440 riches and they turn right around and they go right back, And the reason 699 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.559 they do is because they know what it takes to get from the bottom to 700 00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.800 the top. And for a lot of people that it's gifted given and they 701 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.719 just come into it all a sudden. It just they just don't know how 702 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.360 to handle it. They don't know the growth, they don't know they don't 703 00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.760 appreciate it. I don't think the way that you really do if you build 704 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.519 it from scratch. And I mean to this day, I'll be walking through 705 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.360 our home in Savannah, where we've got water in the front, water in 706 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.119 the back, just a beautiful place, and I'm thinking about that room in 707 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:28.519 Vandalia. I still had the room key for that travel lodger and one too. 708 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.400 Oh yeah, And in my office in Savannah, there's a copy on 709 00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.760 the wall the picture of the travel lodge. Now they've since torn it down 710 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.519 as part of a one of the car dealership's parking lot up there, but 711 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:43.559 you can still see where the motel was at. But yeah, I stopped 712 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.639 there frequently, even though the motel's not there. And the mixed emotions, 713 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:54.239 and probably the scariest scariest I've got was recognizing how close I came on many 714 00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.280 occasions to stopping where somebody would say that knew more than me. Jay, 715 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:01.480 come on, now, you know this isn't gonna work. You've tried it. 716 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:07.559 Okay, let's move on from people that I I mean CEOs from from 717 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.079 huge fortune, five hundred companies that my family knew that we're trying to tell 718 00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.679 me. Jay, you know that this is you know, you know, 719 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.039 hats off to you for trying. But and when I would hear people that 720 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.719 I respected and admired and even held up on a pedestal as far as what 721 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.639 they accomplished professionally, that was tough to ignore them and to keep going. 722 00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.840 But those exact same people to this day say, Jay, I'm so glad 723 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:36.039 you didn't give up, because if I did, you know, I wouldn't. 724 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.239 I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. It's Jay, You're an inspiration 725 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:43.679 to anybody who has dreams and uh and an inspiration to me. I'm still 726 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.159 working on that first five thousand square foothouse. We'll see how it works. 727 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.480 Jay, Rat probably shouldn't have shared that. I'm sorry, but I wanted 728 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.960 for the sicket context. I wanted you got it. You got it, 729 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:59.800 and it registered with me. Our time is up unfortunately for tonight. But 730 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.119 let's talk again soon, brother, Thank you so much. Looking for two 731 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.360 pounds, Thank you much, Jay Ratliffe on the Nightcap Labor Day special Gary 732 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:13.360 Jeff's Favorites. It continues in moments on seven hundred WLW the Red's Welcome to 733 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.480 Saint Louis Cardinals Ebret's continuing. Not only am I talking to some of my 734 00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.079 favorite guests that I've had all time on the program, but also talking about 735 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:29.840 some favorite places. And there was one of those that came front and center 736 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:31.840 to my mind when I started thinking about what I was going to do with 737 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.280 this show, and it was a place my wife Krista and I discovered. 738 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:43.639 Gosh, it's been at least four years, maybe five years. The time 739 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:46.480 gets away from you. But we were looking online. We wanted to try 740 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:50.760 and a bread and bed and breakfast, not a bread and beakfast, but 741 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.800 a bed and breakfast, and just looking online in Ohio and we wanted to 742 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.679 get some asphalt therapy, get out of town. There were bed and breakfasts 743 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:02.280 around where we lived, but what's the point. I mean, if I 744 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:07.480 want bed and breakfast at home, I'll just stay home and for COVID travel 745 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.880 and the expense. So one of the places one of the first places that 746 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:19.719 popped up bed and breakfasts at least within a day's drive was the Roseheart in 747 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:24.559 in Mount Gilead, Ohio. And I'm looking at the pictures and I'm going, 748 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:29.880 Krista, what she said, That's exactly what I was thinking about talking 749 00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.679 about. We should try, we should call and see if we can get 750 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:37.599 a room. So we called the Roseheart End and eventually got a hold of 751 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.639 our next guest who was the owner with his wife of the Roseheart End, 752 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:49.519 Scott Long, and we made the trip up there and it was just absolutely 753 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.480 magical. A great Victorian mansion. You know. It's got the turrets, 754 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:58.920 and it's got the winding staircases, and it's got the stained glass and the 755 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:04.679 leaded glass and the beautiful antiques, you know. And I would never own 756 00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.199 an antique, because I would I would cause its demise more than likely. 757 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.599 But the only thing antique I really have is my nineteen forty one phil Cold 758 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.599 Radio, which we were talking about earlier tonight on the show. But joining 759 00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:22.679 us for a few minutes is Professor Scott Long. He's an anthropologist. He 760 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:29.119 teaches sociology, social science, and the like, and he also owns along 761 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.920 with his wife Cynthia, the Bed and Breakfast, the Roseheart and Scott. 762 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:38.760 Good evening, Welcome to the show. Yes, thanks, and I would 763 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:47.840 like to compliment your spoonerism, Bret and bexist rather creative, if I might 764 00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.320 say, Well, I haven't heard spoonerism in a long time, Scott, 765 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:57.280 So that's good, Thank you. What do you think? No, yeah, 766 00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.480 let's get back to the beginnings. What led you and your wife to 767 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:05.239 say, hey, let's start a bed and breakfast in this beautiful, big 768 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.039 Victorian mansion. What was what was the genesis of that? Well? Yeah, 769 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:15.559 so the prospect of running at B and B was something we had always 770 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:21.639 been passively interested in anyway, And we saw one other B and B in 771 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:27.679 the neighboring town, and but this one turned out to be much more beautiful 772 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:32.400 and interesting in many ways. And it was already up and running. So 773 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.400 it was being operated as a bed and breakfast at the time, Yes, 774 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.599 yes, when when we when we bought it, So it had been going 775 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:44.800 since nineteen eighty nine, except for a few remodels. Now the house was 776 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:49.000 built in what year, eighteen ninety eight, So this is one hundred twenty 777 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:55.360 fifth anniversary of the end the Roseheart End. Describe for folks how many how 778 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.800 many bedrooms that you have that people stay in and then you guys also live 779 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.639 in the house in the back end of the house. Correct, okay, 780 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:10.400 so how many how many has Yeah, it has seven bedrooms and six full 781 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.800 bath, two half bath. That's a lot of plumbing, by the way, 782 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:19.599 yes it is. We do rent for the rooms. No. What 783 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.400 I was amazed by because a lot of bed and breakfast. You know, 784 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:28.599 there's a communal bathroom or you know. But you guys, I just think 785 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.920 you guys hit it out of the park because you've got the jet tubs in 786 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:37.000 the rooms, in the bathroom and it's just very very nice. And you 787 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.280 think, well, I want to I want a nice claw foot bathtub. 788 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:43.599 Well, you know, I'll take a jet tub every time. But the 789 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:51.360 furniture, the furniture and the whole interior of the house is so true to 790 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:57.440 a Victorian mansion in eighteen ninety eight Victorian mansion. You this has got to 791 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.400 be. And I know I've watched you, In fact, we visited you 792 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.840 and Cynthia at the Roseheart End many times when you were in the middle of 793 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:12.119 these massive projects, whether it's the big beautiful wrap around front porch or what 794 01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.119 that had to be painted or the maintenance on this has got to be a 795 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:21.880 full time job. Scott, Well, yeah, it can be daunting at 796 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.800 times. However, it's a labor of law. You know. We want 797 01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:29.239 to keep it as original as possible, which means we don't put plastic siding 798 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:35.440 up or you know, any any of the modern accouterments. We try to 799 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:40.320 keep it fairly intense. Yeah, it definitely is. It's got that feel 800 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.599 and appeal. Man. It just it feels like home and it is your 801 01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.199 home. And every time we visit, and we're hoping to do that again 802 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:53.840 soon, we just immediately feel comfortable, relaxed there. And that porch man, 803 01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:59.519 sitting on that porch swing is I don't know why, you know, 804 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.599 I got I got a swing at home, but that's not the point. 805 01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:07.280 Sitting on that porch swing on that huge porch on the front of the house 806 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:13.559 just is one of my favorite places in the whole world. It really is. 807 01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:15.760 For the short amount of time we're there. And your wife is a 808 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:23.000 wonderful, wonderful breakfast cook her she makes her own bread right, yes, 809 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:31.440 yeah, the French toast, my wife is like anti French toast she doesn't 810 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:35.440 like. She didn't like pancakes, she didn't like waffles, she didn't she 811 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.760 never liked French toast. She tasted Cynthia's French toast the first time we were 812 01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:44.519 there and said, that's the best French toast I've ever eaten in my life. 813 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.840 Yeah, it's pretty dark good, I agree, But this is not 814 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:57.239 without some some hindrances and some problems that come up, you know, for 815 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:02.960 anybody. But we were there on one particular occasion, and you can remind 816 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.559 me better of you know, exactly the month and the year it was. 817 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:13.920 Yeah, it was June thirteenth of last year of twenty twenty two. So 818 01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.760 krist and I are there. We go to bed that night and there was 819 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:21.719 some talk of some storms around, but you know, it wasn't very active. 820 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.760 It was even like, I don't know, ten thirty eleven o'clock at 821 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.639 night, it was still a pretty nice night outside. We wake up in 822 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:32.480 the middle of the night to no power in the room. I'm going, 823 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:39.920 oh, that's that's weird. And apparently had slept through a storm that went 824 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:44.199 right through the back of your property and took How big was that? How 825 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:47.199 big was that tree that this storm felled Scott. Yeah, these are straight 826 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:53.400 line winds from what's known as a deracho, and the winds were upwards of 827 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:57.079 one hundred miles an hour. It took out a two foot diameter or seventy 828 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:01.800 foot tall black walnut tree which hit the back of the in and about twelve 829 01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:09.519 thousand dollars with the damage. So we were spending a good bit of the 830 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:13.400 summer pick and pick and that up. Yeah, I remember that, uh 831 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.960 and the other thing that that we like to do. And and I'm not 832 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:21.440 suggesting anybody else do this because it's just a bed and breakfast, but we 833 01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:28.320 like to bring food for the night before and uh and and cook for you 834 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.599 and Cynthia. I just think it's it's turnabouts, fair play, and so 835 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:36.440 that's neat that there's a big patio, a deck on the back and a 836 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:43.639 gazebo that it's is a gazebo in good shape Scott. Yeah, the gazebo 837 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:46.920 survived. It only had a little tiny nick on the corner and we've we've 838 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:54.000 already taken care of that. So yeah, it's an excellent shape. And 839 01:05:54.239 --> 01:06:00.519 I must say for the listeners out there, Gary Jeff is uh, a 840 01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:10.360 type of chef Anthony and Anthony Bourdain. He apparently cooks like him as well. 841 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.719 His food is excellent, so we're happily having him cook for us every 842 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.360 now and then. Well I think I probably cook better than Anthony Bourdain now, 843 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:24.719 but that's not fair. So anyway, let's let's get back to the 844 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:29.039 Roseheart end. There are a lot of different things in a small town that 845 01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.559 you can take advantage of. Mount Gilead is no stranger that there's there's a 846 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:38.239 Mount Gilead State Park which is nearby, and you're close, but you're still 847 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:43.960 out in small town American I think that is one of the biggest part of 848 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.039 the charm of a little town like Mount Gilead and the Roseheart Inn is that 849 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:56.000 it's very very much small town Americana and you hold like writers. You have 850 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.559 a writer's club or something that meets tell me about that, yet we do. 851 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.400 It's oh, the Mount Gilead Area Writers Gill. We've been together more 852 01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:11.480 than five years now and we do host and annual autumn Mount Gilead Writers Retreat. 853 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:19.440 We have authors who are willing to speak as guest speakers, and we 854 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:24.840 host the event at the local high school. And usually have a couple hundred 855 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:32.760 people in attendance, including high school English writing classrooms. Very very nice, 856 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.840 very nice. Now you've you've had a lot of stuff personally happening to you. 857 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:42.119 Had you had a daughter get married this summer. Yeah, just this 858 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:46.519 cast June. Well, good luck with that. So so everything went off 859 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:53.960 without a hitch. Oh yeah, they're still together. There you go. 860 01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:00.920 Love of these many months later they then the marital blessed continue. Uh. 861 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:06.159 How did you and Cynthia meet? Scott? We met in Indianapolis. I 862 01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:14.440 was a full time editor of a farm publication notice Farm Week in those days, 863 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:20.880 and I was also teaching evening college at Anderson University near Indianapolis. So 864 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:28.720 I met her. And she's from southern Indiana. So being that I'm from 865 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.760 southern Ohio, I grew up in Cincinnati. Yeah, I wanted to get 866 01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.720 to that too. We've got we've got a few minutes left. You are 867 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:40.359 a huge you are a huge Reds fan. How how how good does seven 868 01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:46.039 hundred WLW blast into Mount Gilead during the summer when you're listening for Reds unless 869 01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:50.079 there's a storm. Pretty well, yeah, well that's that's what happens when 870 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:54.680 you're when you're on the big one, man, you just blast out everywhere. 871 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.159 So what do you think of what the Reds have been able to accomplish 872 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.600 as as a posed to last year? And are you excited about the young 873 01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:11.800 talent? Yeah, no, kidding the prospects that we've brought up that are 874 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:17.600 now proven players. Dues make a statement about our farm system and how well 875 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:23.199 it's been developing this young talent. So yeah, very exciting. So, 876 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:27.199 I mean, it doesn't look like this is probably going to be the year 877 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:32.159 at this point. They may still play for a wild card position in the 878 01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.399 playoffs, but I'm I'm looking at twenty twenty four man, and i just 879 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:39.960 say, you know, if this nucleus stays intact with the young players, 880 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:45.079 that they don't have to pay franchise money to, you know, for another 881 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.800 year or two. I'm just I'm just thinking that if they can just continue 882 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:55.560 to develop those skills from from Dela Cruz to Spencer Steer to Matt McClain and 883 01:09:55.920 --> 01:10:00.119 other young players like Jonathan India although he's been injured, and Andrew Abbott, 884 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:04.319 the young pitcher. I mean, there is so many, so many great 885 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:10.600 stories there and even the ones that aren't Marquis household names like will Benson and 886 01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:15.560 Marte who they just brought up an Incarnassi and Strand. So there's a lot 887 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.159 of great talent and a lot of reason to be hope for for the Red's 888 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:23.680 future. And I know I would agree. And we get down there each 889 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.880 year to see at least one game. So, yeah, you've come to 890 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.159 visit us at the bar. I remember that we did. We did. 891 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:35.239 It wasn't too bad. Speaking of visitors, we've had interesting visitors. By 892 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:40.960 the way, When when Gary Jeff comes to our end, he sits on 893 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:45.600 the wrap around porch on the swing with his wife and they have music going, 894 01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:49.920 usually as big band or swing. Can you imagine sitting on a swing 895 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:55.039 listening to the swing? Right? That's it. But we've had some other 896 01:10:55.119 --> 01:11:00.840 fascinating visitors. One fellow was riding a bicycle from Los Angeles to upstate New 897 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:10.119 York to tend his fiftieth high school reunion and he got he got as far 898 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:15.520 as as Mount Gilliad and had enough for one day, enough writing for one 899 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:18.199 day. He got here about three started asking around, is there lodging in 900 01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:23.199 town? And we're actually we're the only lodging in Mount Gilly I. So 901 01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:27.760 he sounds and became back his story. No, it's it's neat, you 902 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.560 know, and you've got access to a Kroger store. I mean there are 903 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.119 there are the usual kind of small town or things that if you need something, 904 01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:40.560 it's easy to get share. We have a one screen movie theater, 905 01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:47.239 old fashioned Marcian all right. So yeah, we've also had an entire race 906 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:54.359 team stay here that we're part of the Mid Ohio sports Car Course and they 907 01:11:54.760 --> 01:12:00.640 were they chose this place apparently because the race team was by a woman. 908 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.720 Go figure, right, yeah, right exactly. No, No, but 909 01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:12.239 uh and and I guess there have been occasions where you kind of wish that 910 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:16.079 you had known more about the guests before they stayed. Have you had have 911 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:18.560 you had anybody do lots of damage? I mean, you know, to 912 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:24.560 tell me who they are? Just any I mean there there's there's always the 913 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.600 uh, you know types that that aren't very respectful of your place, and 914 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.880 you know they should just go to the CD Motel on the strip, right. 915 01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:41.600 So, but but yeah, we've had a few here that I guess 916 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:47.439 one one guy put a shower cap over the smoke detector and decided that this 917 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:54.119 will be a place to indulge in in his uh pod habit. So yeah, 918 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.640 he was, he was smoking up in the room. Not allowed. 919 01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.279 I'm sorry. Uh yeah, you know what, there's there's plenty of room 920 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.960 outside if you want to, if you want to light up, you know, 921 01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:10.000 you know, clandestine las going the backyard right right, he's even he's 922 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.600 even got a Do you still have the little putting green in the backyard? 923 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.239 Yeah, we do. We have a putting green and I found about removing 924 01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:21.000 it because it likes to grow moss. Yeah it does. But but but 925 01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:26.560 then I dug around the periphery and found out there's about three tons of gravel 926 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:30.159 and good sized trunk, So that's not going to happen. So we're gonna 927 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:32.000 keep it as a putty green, even even bable of moss growing on it. 928 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.720 Well, if you if you think about, if you think about getting 929 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:41.479 away, and you don't mind a short drive, it's about I don't know, 930 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.159 maybe two and a half hours from here, three hours. Uh. 931 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.079 Mount Gilead, Ohio is the town, and the place is the rose Heart 932 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:55.640 in that's two words, rose Heart and Scott and Cynthia would be glad to 933 01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:00.560 take your reservation and and have you as a guest, because we're looking forward 934 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.640 to the last two times we've tried to book Scott, it just hasn't worked 935 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.920 out. Either Krista was sick or I don't know, there's some other conflict, 936 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.920 but and I think it's just because God's telling us. You know, 937 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.800 the last time you really stayed there, a seventy five foot oak tree fell 938 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:20.560 on the on the end. Maybe you're not allowed to be there anymore. 939 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:25.319 I don't know. No, you're still welcome, Okay, Thanks Scott, 940 01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:29.039 Thanks you. The other the other guests that was with us that night, 941 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.720 he left that night. He couldn't he couldn't handle the no air conditioning business. 942 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.680 So yeah, that it got a little guy stuck it out. So 943 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:40.199 I was impressed. We weren't going anything. We didn't even get breakfast the 944 01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.079 next morning because he had no power. But that it didn't matter to us. 945 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.000 We were at the Roseheart End and that's all that mattered. Thank you, 946 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.119 Scott Long. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you, sir. 947 01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:55.520 You bet Scott Long from the rose Heart in It is one of our favorite 948 01:14:55.520 --> 01:15:00.680 places, and that's why I featured it tonight on the Nightcap. Labor Day 949 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:06.000 continues our show anyway in moments on seven LW. Do you worry about your 950 01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:11.560 basement leaking every time it rains, Well, get it fixed permanently. Hey, 951 01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:15.600 Gary Sullivan here, that's what I'm calling this three hours tonight. And 952 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:19.720 it's some of my favorite guests. Like I said, again, not to 953 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.920 be too redundant, but if I had all of my favorite on, the 954 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:27.960 show would be about a week long. But these are folks that I really 955 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:34.640 enjoy talking to, their funny, We have a great rapport and one of 956 01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:40.239 those people is now Great. I'm so grateful she could make time and be 957 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:45.079 on the line for the Labor Day special. Karen Cataline, good evening, 958 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:50.720 well, good evening, Gary, Jeff Walker. Yeah, and happy Labor 959 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:55.159 Day, whatever day is your Labor day, but happy, happy, happy, 960 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.800 Yeah. And you know our friend Scott Powell, who you know described 961 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.920 it very well, the author of Rediscovering America earlier tonight, and describe the 962 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:09.039 significance of this particular holiday because a lot of people are just kind of like 963 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:15.119 benign about it or have maybe the wrong idea, like it's it's about the 964 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:21.279 hammer and sickle and the labor Party and communism and the collective and he described 965 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:26.039 it so well. Kara, and I wish that I could recount all twenty 966 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:29.399 minutes of the conversation, but it just kind of escapes me at the moment. 967 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:34.479 But we made some excellent salient points about why this particular holiday is an 968 01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:41.119 American holiday, and it has more to do with the importance of work and 969 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:46.279 creativity. And when he said creativity, he wasn't just talking about artistic creativity, 970 01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:55.840 but the creativity the entrepreneurial brainchild behind. Here's an interesting stat I'll give 971 01:16:55.840 --> 01:17:00.159 you. The United States has four percent of the world's population, Okay, 972 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:06.600 yet is responsible for ninety six percent of the creativity in the entire globe. 973 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:12.479 That does that? Does that just blow you away? Not at all. 974 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:17.359 That's as it's supposed to. I mean, that is what America is supposed 975 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:26.520 to be. All about. The love and the reverence for individual creativity and 976 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:33.319 entrepreneurialism and all of those things is what America is about. I mean, 977 01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:43.079 it's under attack right now, but that's what creates these amazing inventions and things 978 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:48.399 that we hope will actually help America instead of harm it. I don't know, 979 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.520 just as an assigner, you're talking about work, I you know that 980 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:57.279 in my former life it was a mental health professional. I'm an MSW and 981 01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:01.079 I think it was Maslow. Now that was the hierarchy of needs. But 982 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:08.880 one of these guys always talked about the and forgive me for not remembering who 983 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.159 it is. I was looking it up here. Love and work at as 984 01:18:12.279 --> 01:18:17.079 you know, once a person, a human gets to be of adult age, 985 01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:24.840 it's all about love and work and purpose in those two arenas. That's 986 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.479 what it's about. Yeah, it makes total sense to me. And I 987 01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:33.760 was also drawing the correlation between uh, you know, God as the ultimate 988 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:38.920 creator, and Scott made this point, if we are made in the image 989 01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.800 of God, then he expects us to be creators too, And it was 990 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:47.359 an interesting it was an interesting you know, you know, idea behind creation 991 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:55.000 and labor day and work in general and service because work at its basic route 992 01:18:55.119 --> 01:19:00.199 is service to something or someone else. So yeah, and one of the 993 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:04.399 things that makes America exceptional and has and as you mentioned, and as Scott 994 01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:11.800 mentioned earlier tonight, it has been under attack, you know, totally. 995 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:17.560 And you can't have that kind of entrepreneurial spirit if you don't have the freedom 996 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:27.199 to to create, to innovate, h we we knew. Let me buy 997 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:29.760 the way, let me just save for the record. In my ignorance, 998 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:32.119 I finally found it. The guy who said love and work, work and 999 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.520 love. That's all there is. Sigmund Freud. No kind of hard guy 1000 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:40.640 to forget. But you know there's lots of others. No, no, 1001 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:45.680 no, now, listen, if if you're gonna go through this conversation referencing 1002 01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:50.520 uh, you know, obscure psychologists and stuff, I just I don't know 1003 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.079 if we've got time for all. No, go ahead, I'm sorry, 1004 01:19:54.159 --> 01:20:00.039 No, no, that is That's as far as I go. But what 1005 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.439 I was gonna say was is that you cannot you cannot innovate. What I 1006 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:14.680 was gonna say was that the greatest experiment in the difference between the collective and 1007 01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:20.600 the individual a society at culture that protects the individual, no matter how offbeat. 1008 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:24.199 You know. The hippies used to know this, but they forgot it 1009 01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:29.520 the sixties and liberals claimed they knew it, they forgot it. Was the 1010 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:36.000 contest, if you will, of East and West Germany. One side flourished, 1011 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:43.319 one side was rich and prosperous and peaceful. The other side had to 1012 01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:45.600 be kept in with a wall, and when the wall came down, which 1013 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:55.039 was a massive historic event that nobody that the media didn't quite pay as much 1014 01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:59.840 attention to as it should have. In my opinion, we found that the 1015 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:09.720 collectivists, top down, rooting out people's individuality brought nothing but poverty and misery 1016 01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:15.000 and unhappiness. But I know you're here to talk about work again. I'm 1017 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:17.880 you're one of Gary Jeff's favorites, so we're here to talk about a lot. 1018 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.079 I'm gonna put you through the ringer here, girl. Come on, 1019 01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:24.800 you agree, you go you you agreed to come on the show, so 1020 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:29.680 let's go. Yeah, Okay. It looks like it looks like they are 1021 01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:33.560 trying to bring the masks back. And we talked about this a year ago, 1022 01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:41.079 and we're starting to hear these calls and in places at these colleges they're 1023 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:45.760 requiring COVID nineteen vaccination or you can't go to school, Karen. They're doing 1024 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:50.119 it again, and I just I don't see how they're going to get away 1025 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:54.239 with it this time, because there's too many people like you and me, 1026 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:59.720 and there are people who complied totally the first time who now are wisened up 1027 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:02.760 and going no we're not doing this again. I just don't think they're going 1028 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:08.640 to have great success with it. Well, from your mouth to God Grosgary, 1029 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:12.920 Jeff, because we did watch many of us were calling for that kind 1030 01:22:13.039 --> 01:22:20.359 of just say no, and many people refuse, and the price gets higher 1031 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:28.960 and higher for compliance, you know, or rather for defiance. But unfortunately, 1032 01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:38.359 as Leslie Manukian said just recently, wonderful lady who runs the Health Freedom 1033 01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:43.439 Defense Fund, she said, you can never comply your way into freedom. 1034 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:54.359 Never. And so I am still skeptical because they continue to make the price 1035 01:22:54.520 --> 01:23:00.159 higher and higher, and the only option is defiance and recognition that they are 1036 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:04.520 pulling the wool and the mask over our eyes. This is a symbol of 1037 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:11.239 compliance, it's a symbol of collectivism. It's a symbol of obedience and slavery. 1038 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:15.760 And I'm already seeing people starting to wear them. Notice the policy comes 1039 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.640 first, and then they say, oh, by the way, we found 1040 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.920 a COVID variant. Now I'm not saying they couldn't release something, because they 1041 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:30.319 have in the past, but they seem to be able to push our buttons 1042 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:36.439 so easily. Uh Well, I think I think they're calling this variant election 1043 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:45.000 Macron I know I saw that, and to the extent that we can predict 1044 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.119 it because we can, we can watch it, we can see it with 1045 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:51.560 our own eyes, and we've already lived it. Unfortunately, there will always 1046 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:58.319 be cheap there will always be sheep who will do as they're told, live 1047 01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:03.199 in fear. You know, I have concluded in many respects that sometimes politics 1048 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:09.039 of the kind that we have today is a matter of what you fear, 1049 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:14.880 not that you have fear, Because if you're not afraid in some fashion, 1050 01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:21.199 I'm not advocating for fear of what is happening to this country and what maniacal 1051 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:29.560 men, that's the universal men are doing to it, then you're just not 1052 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:35.720 paying attention. So that that's been an observation that I've had for a while, 1053 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:41.520 is you know, how do you handle that fear when the fear is 1054 01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:45.920 real, when the fear is realistic? And I know that might be a 1055 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:48.319 little bit of a detour, but I would ask you, my friend Gary 1056 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:57.520 Jeff Walker and mental health. Usually fear is exaggerated, right, it's you 1057 01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.119 know, just realize, you know, feel of fear. Do it anyway. 1058 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:10.920 But now increasingly people are being presented with the unpleasant reality that what they 1059 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:15.920 fear is actually happening right before our very eyes. So what do they do 1060 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:20.199 about earned? Karen Catalin, Our time flew by just like I expected it 1061 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:24.399 would, and that's why you're one of my favorites. I appreciate you so 1062 01:25:24.560 --> 01:25:30.079 much. Happy Labor Day, Remember America, keep it strong. Here you 1063 01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:34.479 go, Karen Cataline with us tonight. The fur Ball closes things out next 1064 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:40.600 on seven d WLW. Maybe you missed one of our shows because you were 1065 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:44.920 held captive in a tree buying an angry cookie baking elf. Maybe that's I'll 1066 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:48.159 teach it. I kick your hands out my fudge sticks. Oh don't worry. 1067 01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:51.039 You can get the podcast of our shows and hear what you miss. 1068 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:58.920 Check them out on the iHeartRadio. As the two most sought after, most 1069 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.560 prestigious names in bridal jewelry come together for worry. Jeff Walker favorites Labor Day 1070 01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:08.720 Special and I Save the best for last. I mean, you want to 1071 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.840 talk about the Kreme de la Creme. You always save the good dessert for 1072 01:26:13.039 --> 01:26:21.039 last. You always save that special sausage that's on your plate that someone handmade 1073 01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:27.760 for last. You always save the whatever, whatever the item is. When 1074 01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.920 you're dining that you really enjoy the most. You want that to be your 1075 01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:39.359 last taste memory, and so our last taste memory on tonight's show, and 1076 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:43.960 I hope that you can swish this around, this conversation around in your mouth 1077 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:46.880 a little bit and really savor it and enjoy it. Is with the fur 1078 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:55.319 Ball Andy Furman, of one of Jerry Jeff's favorites, who has stepped outside 1079 01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:00.159 for the conversation we're about to have as to not disturb his wife. And 1080 01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:06.279 that's a real issue for Andy because his wife could physically overpower him and kill 1081 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:12.439 him at any moment, and so to keep that from happening, we've taken 1082 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:16.199 Andy outside on the phone for this conversation on the Labor Day, Gary Jeff's 1083 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:23.600 favorite nightcap the pre eminent voice of sports at least in my head, which 1084 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:27.520 shows you where my head's at in Cincinnati Radio. Andy Furman, Hello, 1085 01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:31.479 you know, I know you meant well with the intro and like saving me 1086 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.680 for the last. But here's the thing. It conjures up a lot of 1087 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:40.039 memories because when I was a kid, every time I chose up games being 1088 01:27:40.479 --> 01:27:45.039 stickball, basketball, so fall I was always last. I was always the 1089 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.079 last one. Picked. So I'm not so certain this is a great thing. 1090 01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:51.239 Being last on you so like you just happened to squeeze being not on 1091 01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:55.920 the caboose, and they don't even have cabooses anymore on trains. Well, 1092 01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.840 it's right, so on last, but I appreciate being on on the base 1093 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.520 a big show, the big one on Labor Day. This is this is 1094 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:06.680 this is not then, Andy, this is now and now. As adults, 1095 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:14.159 we like to save the best for last. We don't wait well because 1096 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:18.119 because I always love dessert. But every time I go out with my wife 1097 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:23.000 or family to go for a dinner, I don't have any room for dessert 1098 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:27.359 because I stuffed myself and the waitress or waiter comes over. Do you have 1099 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.239 room for dessert? I say, I wish I did. So. The 1100 01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:33.600 other day, before we went out for dinner, we went to Greatest First. 1101 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:39.159 We had dessert first, and then we went to eat That was ingenious 1102 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:42.640 and I had the new key Line pie ice cream, which is out of 1103 01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:45.880 this world. Well I went back to the Greatest the next day. Yeah, 1104 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:47.680 and you know what, we don't have any left. I can I 1105 01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:51.079 get a pint? We're all out? The one on buttermilk Pike. All 1106 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:56.119 right, we're out, we have we have no more eyes. You just 1107 01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:59.600 wanted to come on on the show and bitch about the fact you couldn't get 1108 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.000 your key Line pie ice cream and butter. I really really went out of 1109 01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:06.520 my way. I loved it. Really. I went to the actually I 1110 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:12.479 went to the Greaters in Merrymond. The Merrymont Graters had it and I got 1111 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:16.039 it there. And the next day I went to Graters on Buttermilk Pike in 1112 01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:20.119 Fort Mitchell, Kentucky. We're sorry, we have no more pints of key 1113 01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:24.439 Line Pie. Thank you, thanks a lot. All right, Well, 1114 01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.199 you know what what makes it Andy, what makes it special is that you 1115 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.600 can only get it every once in a while. That that makes it more 1116 01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:38.920 valuable. That's what I was saying. When I was in college, we 1117 01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:43.560 used to take the car and cross the Mississippi so we could get Course Deer 1118 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:46.119 because it was like one of those things like, wow, course you can't 1119 01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:49.000 get it on the East Coast. We've heard so much about it now that 1120 01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:53.680 you could get course anywhere, including Kroger. I don't even buy Course. 1121 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:56.600 I don't get it because it's there. You know, it's something that you 1122 01:29:56.720 --> 01:29:59.560 can't have that you want that. That's what it's all about. Right, 1123 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.359 Why have you noticed so much about course you brought up Core's Light specifically, 1124 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:09.520 which is the biggest selling brand of that particular brand of beer, Core's Light. 1125 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:16.079 We I've noticed that since the bud Light flap, the Dylan mulvaney mistake 1126 01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:20.199 they made. From a marketing standpoint, I've noticed that sales of Cores Light 1127 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:26.720 are way up at the bar. Really, the people are flocking thing. 1128 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:30.640 If you're if you're a fan of Bud Light, you enjoy it, keep 1129 01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:32.760 on enjoying it. I mean, you're not going to not drink it because 1130 01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:36.800 of what they did a stupid advertising campaign. But I'll tell you what I 1131 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:41.880 did. Yeah, I'm not patting myself in the back in any man of 1132 01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:44.920 way, shape or form. So when I was the PR guy at Latonia 1133 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:46.840 Race Course, I got a letter from a guy with the name with Dennis 1134 01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:50.159 Long. You may not know Dennis Long as the Dennis Long wrote me and 1135 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:54.880 then he called me. He was the president and CEO of Anheuser Busch in 1136 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:58.560 Saint Louis. Flew me out to Saint Louis and offered me a job as 1137 01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:00.359 a PR guy with Anna's a Bush. I didn't take it. Okay, 1138 01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:03.119 maybe I was stupid. I don't know. I just couldn't know. Let's 1139 01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.000 say, hold on, let's let's let you know right, you can't go 1140 01:31:06.159 --> 01:31:11.239 back. I understand that. No, I'm not. I'm not. So 1141 01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:15.039 here's what I did. Yeah, So last week I wrote a letter to 1142 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.479 the president, president and CEO of and Isaza Bush, explaining to him that 1143 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:23.159 I had some sort of an association with ab And I explained to him, 1144 01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:27.800 like what happened here with your moronic marketing campaign? And I said, now, 1145 01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:32.359 what you need to do is cut commercials with you as the president CEO 1146 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:38.479 speaking to the public, maybe even from your home with your family. That's 1147 01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:41.000 what you need to do. I haven't heard from him, although I have 1148 01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:45.119 seen some crazy commercials now people drinking bud Light and get ball games, and 1149 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.319 that ain't gonna cut it. You gotta be sincere and own up to it 1150 01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:53.680 and maybe even say we screwed up, and we could accept that and we 1151 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:57.600 screwed up. Andy. I was just gonna say, if you had taken 1152 01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:02.399 that position in marketing with Anaheiser Bush, you might have saved you might have 1153 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:08.520 you might have saved us from Dylan mulvaney. Altogether, do you realize to 1154 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:12.560 stay away from religion and politics and everything like that. Really, that's what 1155 01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:15.359 you got to stay away from, and people don't. It's like stepping manure. 1156 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:19.159 That's what it is. That's what this that's what this woke virtue signaling 1157 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:25.039 reality that we're living in. It is teaching people like me who already knew 1158 01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:29.199 that what you just said, yeah, but but teaching them that go woke, 1159 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.239 go broke. You know, it's your own you know, it's you. 1160 01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:35.239 You you handled the gun that had a bullet in the chamber and you 1161 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:39.399 put it next to your head and pulled the trigger. So you know, 1162 01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:43.399 don't don't do that kind of stuff, because you know what the I hear 1163 01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:46.319 a story like this, honestly, I mean this from the heart, by 1164 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:48.399 the bottom of my heart. Of a lot of people think I don't have 1165 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:53.239 one. I always think of my good buddy Tommy Burnam and how he got 1166 01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:57.479 screwed blue and tattooed. I mean, and I see people you every day 1167 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.119 every day getting second chances, so chances, and I don't understand why he's 1168 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:03.600 still on the sidelines. I don't get it. I don't get it, 1169 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:08.720 and it really really ticks me up, and look, and has nothing to 1170 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.279 do with how good or how big a broadcaster he is. It's his job. 1171 01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:14.960 That's what it's all about. Because you know, I wrote something about 1172 01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:16.840 that in the Inquirer at an op ed and I looked at some of the 1173 01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:20.600 responses there and people say, well, he wasn't good and he was negative. 1174 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:24.399 That has nothing to do with it. The fact that he lost his 1175 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:28.039 jobs to that, that's what it's all about. Don't interpret what I write, 1176 01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:30.840 Okay, don't look into it, read it, digest it, then 1177 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.159 have an opinion. You put your own opinion in there, which is wrong, 1178 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:39.680 dead wrong? What do you mean? Don't you write opinion pieces so 1179 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:44.479 it will spark other people's opinions, Right, But their opinion on my opinion 1180 01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:46.600 is fine, and they could say I read it, I don't agree with 1181 01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.680 it. That's not But there's slowing their opinions into saying he shouldn't have his 1182 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:55.000 job back because he was too negative. I didn't write that. That has 1183 01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:58.079 nothing to do with it. Maybe he was negative. I didn't touch on 1184 01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:02.600 that. I said he lost his job for some stupid reason. You're right, 1185 01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:06.720 A lot, a lot of people have been canceled for really stupid reasons, 1186 01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:11.159 and it continues to happen. It is something that we've got to stop 1187 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:14.279 as a society. I want to get back to the fact that you're outside 1188 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:17.119 and you and I had a discussion the other night. The other night about 1189 01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:24.800 how I take my my cat dog, Brooksy outside. He likes to pee 1190 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:27.199 outside, and he said, well, you know, he's a cat dog. 1191 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:29.760 He's on his leash, he's on his harness in the front yard. 1192 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.520 He's not He's not peeing in anybody else's yard, just in our yard. 1193 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:39.960 And I said, I think it is intrinsic in most males of the species, 1194 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:44.920 because you know, man has uh peed, urinated and defecated outside for 1195 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:48.800 eons, for millennia. I mean it's before there were bathrooms. Where'd you 1196 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:53.760 go outside, you know, and maybe maybe you were living outside too. 1197 01:34:54.119 --> 01:35:00.079 But I occasionally will enjoy a chance to go and take a walk and secluded. 1198 01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:03.159 Not you know, I'm not showing I'm not being an exhibitionist. I'm 1199 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:08.600 not there to gross anybody out or get arrested. But you go, now, 1200 01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:15.319 go behind the huge chinolia Chinese magnolia bush that's in our front yard. 1201 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:20.720 And it's full foliage. It's beautiful flowering plant. And I stepped as there's 1202 01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:27.640 a place right between the tree and the house, right there in the corner 1203 01:35:27.680 --> 01:35:31.640 of the front yard that's totally secluded, and it's it's one of my favorite 1204 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:35.439 places to pee. Men like to pee outside the tree. You'll kill the 1205 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:39.600 tree with that acid. The tree has been flourishing. I've been there for 1206 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:43.479 ten years. Andy, I don't think I'm gonna trees come over to my 1207 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.960 house and doing some of my trees, you know what that might be required, 1208 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:51.600 or you can do it yourself. You do you not pee outside when 1209 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:56.000 you have the opportunity. And I'm not really no, no, no, 1210 01:35:56.800 --> 01:36:00.039 I mean and honestly, I never thought a lot of you, to be 1211 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.039 honest, let's be let's cut to the chase. But now I think even 1212 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:06.840 less. Now I think even less. I mean, really, it's a 1213 01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:11.640 natural thing. It's a natural thing, Andy, It's a natural thing, 1214 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.760 especially for men. But here's the thing. Yeah, you know you were 1215 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.159 on Betterman. Let me try to help you out, Okay. I listened 1216 01:36:18.159 --> 01:36:21.960 to you on Saturday mornings and you have a great crew of guests. Yes, 1217 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:27.720 we would, Jimmy think of you if he knew that you were urinating 1218 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:30.760 out about that, don't think about you? I bet you know what, 1219 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:34.439 I'm gonna call him and ask him when I when we get off the phone, 1220 01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:38.760 I'm gonna call him and ask him and to say, Jim, have 1221 01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:44.199 you ever peat outside? I bet the answer is absolutely yes. And he 1222 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.279 almost peat inside an elevator here at the building because we got trapped in an 1223 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:51.359 elevator one Saturday morning, going back about five or six years ago, and 1224 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:55.439 he was here, He was here at the studio with me, and I 1225 01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.159 was at that time I was smoking cigarettes, so I had to go out 1226 01:36:58.199 --> 01:37:00.479 of the building outside out front of the building to go smoke a cigarette for 1227 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:03.920 two or three minutes and then rush back in to get back on the air. 1228 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:08.359 And Jim take took a walk with me. He said, you know, 1229 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:12.359 just we could talk and stuff during the news break. And my wife 1230 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.920 was there too, and all three of us were stuck in the elevator. 1231 01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:18.079 For I thought, you can say, well, three of you urinated outside 1232 01:37:18.159 --> 01:37:21.239 the elevator. No, all three of us were stuck in the elevator for 1233 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:26.479 an hour. And Jim told me later that if my wife had not been 1234 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:29.119 in there, he would have peered right in the corner of the elevator, 1235 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:32.159 which I think peeing outside is much better than peeing inside in a place where 1236 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:35.279 you're not supposed to peet. You grapples and oranges when you have to go 1237 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:40.760 instead of bursting and busting, you know, you gotta go a that point. 1238 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.319 This is Jimmy should have known better. You know, you always look 1239 01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:45.920 if you have a weak bladder, and you go more often than not. 1240 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:48.680 You can take a cup with you, carry a couple of old times and 1241 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:54.520 just in case something like that happens. And there's nothing wrong with that female 1242 01:37:54.600 --> 01:37:57.920 in the elevator. There's nothing wrong on zipp of your pants and go in 1243 01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:00.600 the cup. There's nothing wrong with peeing outside. It's one of the most 1244 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:05.119 It's nature, and it's a natural thing. Everybody does it. It's not 1245 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:09.239 a big deal. I bet you are you gonna tell me. I'm gonna 1246 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:14.039 walk down like West sixth Street in Covington, West sixth in Washington. I'm 1247 01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:16.199 going to see people just line up on the street corner. You come on, 1248 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:19.239 Really, what did I tell you about it? Be serious? What 1249 01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:23.479 did I tell you about where I p? If I p outside, I 1250 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:28.520 p in the inter secluded area that's totally blocked from public view. It's in 1251 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:30.960 my own yard. That's what I'm talking about. When I'm talking about p 1252 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:34.000 and outside, I'm not talking about p and on the street in Covington or 1253 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:38.520 anywhere else. You know. It's funny you mentioned that because it brings up 1254 01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:41.960 a story that years ago. I was doing sports talk and we used to 1255 01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:45.439 go down for a week in Tampa and in obviously planned city when the Reds 1256 01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:48.680 are training there spring training, and we used to do show at a bar 1257 01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:53.279 and we used to get Red's guests coming to the bar down the radio with 1258 01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:57.680 us, and one of the guests was had him done, and we were 1259 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:00.399 looking for him and say, you know, he's on the end, Now 1260 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:01.439 where is he? Where is he? We went to the back of the 1261 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:05.079 bar and yes, he was urinating outside. He had a beer and I 1262 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:08.760 guess the bathroom was crowded or whatever. I don't know what it. Maybe 1263 01:39:08.760 --> 01:39:11.560 they want to sign another agressive void. The crowd didn't do us. I 1264 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:13.800 don't know, but he's I'll be with you in a minute. He was 1265 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:15.920 urinating outside on the side of the bar. Then he came on the radio. 1266 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:19.880 Okay, could anybody just on the street have seen him doing that or 1267 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:25.239 was he secluded? It was secluded exactly. This is not a bar. 1268 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.680 This is not about being gross. And I'm talking about in the woods or 1269 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.760 in nature. You know, men have been doing that for years. Women 1270 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:36.399 used to do it too, but now they're just too worried about their reputation 1271 01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:42.039 so they don't drop trou anywhere. But I'm telling you, a good p 1272 01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:46.520 outside, not a good p outside, is really hard to be. It's 1273 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.439 hard to be real. I was gonna say, how did we end up? 1274 01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:53.399 I'm not gonna say that, how did you end up here? Because 1275 01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:55.720 I had nothing to do with this. I had nothing to do with this 1276 01:39:55.800 --> 01:40:00.119 conversation. Listen, how I have a wonderful rest of what the last few 1277 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.960 minutes of Labor Day. Enjoy that and we'll talk to you next week after 1278 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.880 the Bengals kill the Browns. Okay, you know what you put in a 1279 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.720 vendom to that, because if Joe Burrow is not playing, if I were 1280 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:13.600 you, I wouldn't be so cocky. I don't think they will without Joe 1281 01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:15.840 Burrow. All right, Well we'll see what happens. Thank you, Andy. 1282 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.720 All right? All right? Uh yeah, I think the show's over. 1283 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:28.960 Thanks for tuning in. It's the nightcap Labor Day on seven LW Hey, 1284 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:30.119 pickleball fans, this is