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graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi Tanya, Hi Telia. Welcome back

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everyone to this week's episode of Crimes
and Consequences. This is a story Tanya,

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I've never heard before and it's pretty
brutal the actual crime and very interesting.

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So before I start, though,
I'd like to ask everybody to hit

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This is a story of Charles and
Elizabeth Senate. They were living in

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nineteen eighty three in Sheffield, Alabama, and they had a really good life.

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Just to give you a little background, Charles was a pastor. He

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worked at the Westside Church of Christ. Sheffield was a very tight community and

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they were very well respected. Liz
was a really good mom to their two

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children. They had two children,
Chuck and Mike. Is really Charles junior.

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Elizabeth and Charles met when they were
in their teens and just to give

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you a little background, they met
in Ohio. Both very Christian. They

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fell in love. They got married
at the age of twenty oh and they

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eventually moved from Ohio to Alabama.
Charles had went to school to become a

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pastor and he actually found a congregation
he could work at, and it happened

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to be in Alabama where at that
time Elizabeth's parents and she went by Liz

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someone to call her Liz they lived, so it was very exciting for them.

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Nine months after the date they were
married, which was in nineteen sixty

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two, they got married. That's
when Charles Junior Chuck was born nine months

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a honeymoon baby mm hmmm. And
then Mike was born two years later.

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They had a really good relationship.
Liz was devoted mom by all sentiments.

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Everybody described her as just being She's
kind of quiet, loving, the person

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you would want to hang out with
in the sense that you could trust her.

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She was caring, she would always
be there for anybody in the community.

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And then Charles, being pastor,
was obviously well respected in the community.

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And they had a great life.
They did everything together. They would

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play game. I mean, they
were a tight family that was very i

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don't want to say overly religious,
but very Christian and that was a bomb

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they had, and everybody knew.
Sundays they would go to West Side Church

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of Christ and Charles would preach.
But then something happened, Oh, something

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very bad. It was approximately eleven
forty four am on Friday, March eighteenth,

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nineteen eighty eight, when Charles called
the Colbert County Sheriff's office hysterical.

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He found his wife, Liz,
lying unconscious and bleeding profusely on the floor

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of their living room. He had
been gone from nine until almost noon and

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when he came home there was his
wife and it was not a nice scene,

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but I'll get to that. The
house had been ransacked, especially the

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master bedroom. There appeared to be
a very big struggle and they and when

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the police arrived, they could tell
that Liz had fought hard for her life.

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When they looked at her body,
she had multiple stab wounds to her

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upper right chest and neck and slashes
across her head. But she was still

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alive. Oh man, she was
beaten very badly, which again i'll go

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into, but I'm warning you guys, she was beaten very badly. But

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when the ems arrived, they discovered
she still had a heartbeat. And when

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Charles found out, he almost passed
out. Oh no, he was relieved.

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Relieved. EMS put Liz in the
ambulance and they took her to Helen

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Keller Memorial Hospital and immediately, without
delay, put her in surgery. They

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were trying to stop the hemorrhaging because
she was just leading profusely. However,

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two hours later she died. Wow. Investigators obviously began to talk to neighbors,

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friends, family, and Charles was
completely distraught. The neighbors had reported

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seeing a car with Oklahoma license plates
leaving the rural residence. And they lived

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in a very rural house. So
Liz is at home and she's by herself,

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and there's nobody near by. I
mean there's neighbors, but it's rural.

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Yeah, there's probably a lot of
land between her and her neighbors.

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And yeah, one person, one
of the neighbors, stated that he thought

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there were two men and a dog
in the car. Police immediately launched a

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search beyond the lookout for any vehicle
with an Oklahoma license plate. They were

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hoping to figure out who they're in
Alabama. So you got Oklahoma license plate,

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who did this? And that license
plate would stand out right right?

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They went for days with no leads. They interviewed Charles twice and they really

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had no idea who would have done
this to Liz. But there were some

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things that just stood out to them
that seemed really strange. For example,

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the whole house wasn't ransacked, it
was just the bedroom. It was the

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bedroom in a little bit of the
living room. Okay, there were only

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two things taken, and I'll get
to that. There was still money left

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and Lose's purse, really hundreds of
dollars. She had her purse, So

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that's really weird, really weird.
There was no signs of any sexual assault

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or an attempt on a sexual assault
on Liz, so they couldn't figure out

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a clear motive. If it's not
it's not robbery and then sexual assault,

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Why is somebody out in this rural
area attacking a forty five year old mom.

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Yeah, and so brutally, who
has no enemies. By the way,

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Liz had no enemies. As you
can imagine, the community was completely

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side themselves. Charles, he was
beside himself, and then their poor children,

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Oh yeah, were devastated. Everybody
was devastated. Police held a press

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conference and during the press conference they
basically stated that they had no idea still

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what was going on, and they
were desperate for clues, and they had

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a tip line asking people to call
in for tips. It is desperation.

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We've done many stories where they need
the public's help and just providing any clues.

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And another thing they noticed was there
was no sign of fourth century hmm.

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So you would think that Liz might
have known these people, because it

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appears she opened the door for them. As I stated, the police first

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talked to Charles, obviously, and
he's distraught, but he had an alibi.

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He had left their family home at
about seven thirty am and he went

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and did a bunch of errands,
including visiting his church and then several local

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residents, and as I said,
he got home about eleven forty, eleven

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forty three, something like that,
and then he called at eleven forty four

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and police were able to corroborate his
alibi, so he definitely wasn't there.

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An autopsy was conducted on Liz and
it determined that she died somewhere between ten

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thirty and eleven thirty, So they
had that narrow window of time in which

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she was attacked again. That's how
they know that Charles, he wasn't there.

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It was only four days after the
murder when investigators decided to drain a

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pond that was located near the senate
residence. And when they did, they

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found some interesting things which they believed
were the murder weapons. Oh, they

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found a piece of wood floating amids
the murky waters. They found a hunting

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knife, a fire poker, and
a broken wooden walking cane. This pond

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was only fifty yards from the Sunate's
home and police were like, these have

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to be the murder weapons because she
was beaten. The autopsy showed that she

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was beaten all over the head,
the face, she was almost unrecognizable,

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and then stabbed repeatedly. Another interesting
thing that kind of confused the police is

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I told you that there was no
break ins, no sign of a break

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in. There were two things that
were taken. It was a video recorder

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of VCR okay of VCR but not
the remote the VCR and a stereo.

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But again all this month cash in
the purse and the police were like,

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this is not making any sense.
And then whoever came in just went fifty

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yards away and dumped the murder weapons. I'm sure she had jewelry on that

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was probably more she did. She
did have jewelry too. On March twenty

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fifth, so this is a week
later, the sheriff and the district attorney

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held another news conference and they issued
an award. They authorized the sum of

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ten thousand dollars, which is the
equivalent of twenty five thousand, four hundred

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and thirty dollars and twenty six cents
for any information relating to the case.

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They did get a tip, and
it's pretty interesting. Oh, I can't

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wait to hear it. Someone from
the church congregation really reached out to them.

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The police don't know how, but
this person, and I believe it's

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a female, came across a Valentine's
Day card, uh oh in Charles' desk.

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Oh And it was not from Li. It was not from Liz.

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Oh shit, it was from another
member of the congregation, oh man.

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And it was very telling. In
the card it described a sexual relationship.

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I don't know exactly what the card
said, but it led police to believe

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Charles was definitely an affair and this
woman he was having an affair with was

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not only a member of the congregation, but also a friend of the Senate

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family. Damn, the plot thickens
just when you think there's some good guys

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I know, right man a pastor
lovely wife. This obviously made them really

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want to talk to Charles, and
they'd already talked to him twice, but

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this time it was different. They
were going to put the pressure on him

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again. This is about a week
later. Charles came in for more extensive

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questioning. They didn't publicly name him
as a suspect, but they were convinced

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he knew more than he knew.
But again, he had an alibi.

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When they met with Charles, they
told him, we know about the affair

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and we believe that you were involved
in the killing of your wife. Charles

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was pretty shaken. Oh yeah,
guess but the jig is up. Yeah,

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because they spoke to the woman that
gave him the card. Oh shit,

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she came in. She admitted to
the affair, and she admitted to

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giving Charles three thousand dollars because Charles
had a lot of debts. Oh fuck,

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okay, Number one, never give
money to your married boyfriend, and

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think about it. If ten thousand
is twenty five thousand. Now she gave

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him three Yeah, that's like a
little more than a third. Yeah,

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like nine grand, eight grand to
pay off debts. Yeah, to pay

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off debts. And interestingly, Charles
took out a life insurance policy a few

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months before Lizu's died. Of course
he did. He was in a great

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deal of debt for what that is
something we don't really know. We don't

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know. But something you should know
about Charles is for a few years he

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was unable to work as a pastor. He was a pastor and he also

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sold burial vaults. Oh okay,
so he had two jobs and he was

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really stressed out and he became extremely
depressed. He had to see a psychiatrist

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and he even reached out to a
neurosurgeon in desperation because he was taking medications.

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He was taking lithium. Oh damn. He did seem to get better,

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but he still had these ups and
downs with his moods. But through

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time he got better. He wasn't
a pastor for about two years. Then

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he started working again as a pastor, and I know he was selling those

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burial vaults, but I don't know
if he continued to do that full time.

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So that's how the family had some
money. Yeah, But when Charles

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was depressed and he couldn't work as
a pastor. That's when Liz stepped up

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to the plate and she began working
as a secretary. Oh okay, but

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she only worked part time and then
she was still a full time mom trying

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to help Charles get through those rough
times. So that's a little background in

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Charles. Yeah, I can see
them going into debt when he's not working

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full time and she's not working full
time, and it adds up. Eventually.

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The woman that wrote the Valentine's Day
letter or gave him the card lawyered

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up. She's done. Yeah,
that's all I got to say. Yeah,

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that's all I have to say.
Again, Charles, was I told

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you interrogated and freaked out. The
police told him all of like everything they

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knew, and Charles left the police
station and he went to his family's house

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where Chuck and Mike were and he
talked to them and you know what he

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told him what he told him that
he was involved, he is the death

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of their mother. Oh, it's
terrible, and that he'd had an extra

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marital affair. He confessed to them. Wow, And obviously they were very

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upset. Yes, and Charles was
very upset. I can't even imagine the

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fucking tension, right. I can't
imagine telling your kids this. I was

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involved in it, by the way, and I cheated on her and I'm

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a pastor. Yeah, and they've
got to be okay, twenty five,

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twenty three, twenty two ish because
they were married. No, I think

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they're in their teens. Really,
I think they're like nineteen and seventeen,

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okay. And I believe he was
with his family too. Oh damn.

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So everybody's freaking out. Everybody's yelling
and crying, and Charles steps outside and

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he's visibly upset. He goes to
his pickup truck parked outside, and then

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within moments, oh no, a
deafening boom shattered. Was still messick.

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The family rushed out and they found
that Charles he was slumped over in the

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cab of his truck and he had
a gunshot wound to his chest. But

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he wasn't dead. Oh shit.
So EMS comes and they had called the

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police too, and one of the
detectives I think his name was Ron May

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I could be wrong, went into
the truck, the EMS vehicle. Charles

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was still alive, and this detective
was hoping that he might be able to

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answer questions. Though I believe he
was unconscious, He's still hoping he might

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wake up for a second, but
he didn't. In his pocket there was

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a note, and the note basically
confessed that I was involved. I'm so

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sorry for what I did to my
kids. I'm sorry for what I did

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to my wife and to this community. He felt deep remorse and pain,

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and he said he never really intended
to hurt her, but he became entangled

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with some unsavory individuals. Okay,
and he said that the reason he killed

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himself was to save his family from
any further shame and embarrassment. Charles died

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in the emergency room, the same
place his wife had died. Damn well,

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she died at the same hospital.
Yeah, the Helen Keller Hospital one

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week later, at six forty pm. God, his poor kid, I

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know, to lose their mom and
then find out, okay, your dad

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was involved, and then he kills
himself. Oh man, And they saw

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it shot in the truck. These
poor kids, poor kids. Then an

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anonymous tipster called into crime Stoppers,
and this female knew all the details down

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to the tee of everything that took
place. She even knew the serial number

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of the vcr in that there was
no remote. The remote was the remote

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was missing? Yes, she called
crime stoppers. She eventually talked to the

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police, and she did get the
reward money because she was pretty adamant about

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she got the reward money. Well, she did help them solved. She

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did the crime. Was it the
girlfriend? Wait? Wait, we don't

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know because it's anonymous. Yeah,
g I wonder who it was. This

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is what is believed to have happened. Charles apparently approached a man named Billy

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Williams. He was twenty two years
old. He was a tenant renting an

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apartment. From the sentence, they
owned some property and it was early March

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of nineteen eighty eight. During that
when he approached Billy, he kind of

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had a I would like to say
questions, feeler questions for Billy because Billy

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was a bit of a shady character. Okay. Basically, he tried to

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figure out if Billy would be willing
to kill for three thousand dollars three thousand,

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the magic three thousand dollars Yes,
oh boy, and Billy was like,

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I gotta think about this. And
then he reached out to two of

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his friends, Kenny Smith and John
Forrest, Parker, and he offered them

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each one thousand dollars if they would
kill kill Liz. And by the way,

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Billy didn't plan on killing her.
He was going to be the middleman.

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Oh okay, he's going to keep
a thousand for doing nothing, and

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they're gonna go and they're gonna kill
Liz, damn all with the money that

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Charles had gotten from his miss On
the day that Liz died, Kenny and

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John they showed up at our house. They knocked on the door and they

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told her, your husband said we
could check out your property for hunting purposes.

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And she thought, okay, this
is weird. This has never happened

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before. So she calls Charles on
the phone and asks him, I think

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he was at the church. Did
you agree for these two guys to check

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out a property? And Charles says, yes, I did. So they

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walked through the house and Liz takes
him out to the back and they look

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at the property. Why they didn't
kill her right then and there, we

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don't know. But eventually they came
back inside and they started talking to Liz,

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and then they started out in the
kitchen, okay, and then from

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behind John Parker started just punching her. He was hitting her and hitting her,

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and then he took a wooden walking
kane and I don't know whose wooden

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walking cane it was, and he
took a fire poker and both of the

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men, Kenny and John, just
start beating her. Oh damn. And

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she begged for her life. After
beating her and beating her, and she

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was still alive. That's when John
took the hunting knife and just stabbed her

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and stabbed her and then caught her
throat. Oh terrible. So the wooden

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cane part of it had broken from
beating her. So there was a piece

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found by Lizz's body and the rest
was in the pond. The police had

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also found some hair next to Liz, and even though there was no DNA

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at the time testing for DNA,
they knew it wasn't Liz's and they knew

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it wasn't Charles. They knew it
was somebody else. Originally, John Parker

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was given some money to go get
a gun, to kill Liz with a

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gun. Yeah, that would have
been much neater. But he was on

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drugs. Oh shit, Never give
money to a drug addict. Yeah,

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it was one hundred dollars and he
was on drugs, so he used that

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money for drugs and then grabbed the
haunting knife to kill her that way.

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Was it his or did they have
any It was his? Yeah, given

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the tipsters information, Billy Williams,
he was arrested and so was John Parker

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and Kenny and they all went to
trial. Billy Williams, of course he

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wasn't there for the murder, right, he just took a thousand dollars and

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set it up. He alleged that
he didn't do it, He didn't have

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anything to do with it, blah
blah blah, and he argued that this

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is kind of interesting. He argued
that even if he was involved in this

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conspiracy to commit murder, it wasn't
the two other guys. It wasn't John

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and Kenny that killed Liz. Charles
came back, Oh is that what he's

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saying, and stabbed Liz, realizing
she was alive. Oh, so they

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just beat her and when Charles and
home. Yes, he's saying that he

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stamped Liz. But then how would
all of the evidence be in the same

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pond, Right, Charles just knew
where to go and throw it away.

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I don't think so. They didn't
have cell phones. Billy Williams was only

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twenty one years old when he was
found guilty of capital murder, and it

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took him three hours. He was
sentenced to life in prison, so without

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parole. He died of natural causes
in twenty twenty two. That's a shame.

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Sorry. Twenty twenty twenty. Then
John Forrest Parker he went to trial.

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His defense mounted a vigorous argument during
his trial. They said that John

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and Kenny were not hired by Charles
to carry out a murder, but rather

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to injure Liz. And again and
again, Charles is the one that did

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the final act. Man, they're
hanging their hat on that. Come on,

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now, really, you're beating her. And he paid me a thousand

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dollars to injure someone and her face, I mean her. It was extremely

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brutal. In fact, there was
an argument that the autopsy photos shouldn't even

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have been shown in court because they
had too much of an emotional impact on

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the jury. Oh miss, that's
bad. It really fucked up. Yeah,

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but it didn't take long for the
jurors to decide John Parker did it,

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and they only deliberated for one hour. One fucking hour. Tanya man,

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they were like he did it.
The jury came back with a recommendation

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of life in prison without parole.
But the judge, now, he didn't

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really like that, and he decided
to give him us damn right. Holy

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shit, yeah, holy shit.
John did everything he could to appeal,

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but on June tenth, twenty ten, he faced the executioner. Mike and

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Chuck senate the lives in Charles's.
They were there at the execution. On

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the day of the execution, John
spent much of his time reading the Bible

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and for his last meal, because
we always liked to know what their last

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meal's at, right, I'm always
fascinated. I don't know why he had

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fried fish. Oh, I would
not pick that. French fries and sweet

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tea. I would not pick that
as a last meal. No, I

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would have nacho. It's lots of
nachos, lots of cheese, It's of

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chocolate, sour cream this time.
I usually don't get it heavy yet,

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extra cheese, guacamole, and lots
of chocolate. And then lobster. Oh,

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lobster something expensive? Yeah right,
Sorry, Tanya and I go on

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these food porn things. Sorry,
just thinking of food now, I just

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would be like, just wet me
up, like a bunch of chocolate,

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maybe some cheesecake. I would eat
so much garbage i'd throw off right.

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Right. So Charles was forty two
years old and at six forty one PM

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he was pronounced dead. Lethal injection. Huh, lethal injection. Yeah.

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Next came Kenny Smith. He added
trial in Birmingham, Alabama, on October

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thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine. He
was the last one to be tried.

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I'd be shitting bricks because look what
I happened to the other two. Right,

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he too, right. He tried
to implicate Billy and John and Charles

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not him. But if you're the
attorney, I you know this hasn't worked

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before, so we might want to
take a plea. Yeah, but no,

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man, that's a tough one.
Is an attorney again? He said

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that John and him just beat her. Sure, and Charles killed her.

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And he did argue when he left
she was alive. Oh, which is

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true. That is true. However, that doesn't mean they didn't do was

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that the proximate cause? Right?
Thank you for your attorney stuff, the

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attorney information. What's the word I'm
looking for, spew Yeah, my spewing.

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The legal terminology. Yeah, the
proximate cause of her death was what

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they did to her. So guess
how long the jury deliberated for. Was

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it less than an hour? Twenty
minutes? Mad? They didn't even order

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lunch. Nope, No, they
wanted to get out. They were like,

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let's get the fuck out. They
agreed ten to two in a vote

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for death. They weren't even gonna
let the judge make that decision. It

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took seventy five minutes for them to
determine if you should die or not.

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Well, took a little extra time, right, Well, you do want

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to you want to go over that
careful, Yeah, you do. He

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appealed the sentence and it did get
overturned. It did, so there was

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a second trial and they introduced evidence
the prosecutor did, including the fact he

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did confess. He confessed to investigators
and they found the stolen VCR in his

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home. What a dumb fuck dude, really, But his appeal didn't work,

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I'm guessing that, and he was
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He filed one last appeal, seeing
you know the death penalty. He

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is cruel, unconstant, Yeah,
exactly, And he pointed out to previous

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executions. So just you know,
this is very recent. This is in

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twenty twenty two that the state of
Alabama had fucked up. There was Joe

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Nathan James Junior, and he had
a three hour delay because of they couldn't

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get a line in him, and
they claimed, you know, this is

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like torture for somebody to be strapped
down, Yeah, trying to get waiting

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to die, waiting to die.
On Tuesday, November fifteenth, twenty twenty

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two, just two days before his
execution was to happen, the US Supreme

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Court denied his request to stop it. He was scheduled for November seventeenth,

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twenty twenty two, at six pm, but there was a dramatic turn of

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events and it was called off just
before midnight. Oh. I'm like on

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the edge of my seat, girl, this is crazy. So you have

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to listen to this. They had
until midnight to execute him. That's the

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date of execution. Oh okay,
And they couldn't get a vein Oh okay,

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yes, because he was waiting and
they were trying to find it,

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trying to find well, this is
it happened to another person that I was

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describing before, Joe Nathan James junior. Yes, that's right, and they

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tried to find a large enough vein
and they couldn't. They dedicated over an

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hour to get two veins to get
the injection in and they couldn't. So

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they had to stop the execution because
it was midnight. Oh my god,

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isn't that crazy? It is crazy
technicalities. So he returned back to his

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cell and death row. I would
be dying. I'd be shitting a brick

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at that point. Just fucking kill
me. So there were a lot more

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legal things I'm not going to go
into and poor everybody with. But he

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was given a new execution date of
January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four,

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and this time the state of Alabama
opted to use death by nitrogen hypaxia instead

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of lethal injection. Is that suffocating, I'll tell you. And there were

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concerns that he was the guinea pig
for this because it was the first time

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a death room inmate in the United
States was going to undergo execution by this

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method. Yeah, I've never heard
of this. And that is basically where

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they have him breathe in nitrogen and
he loses oxygen and so you kind of

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suffocate, like suffocating, sort of
yeah, damn leitrogen gas nitrogeny. But

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I like nitrogen when I go to
the dentist. That's yeah, nitrogen.

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I hate that stuff. I love
that stuff. Oh, I can't kidding

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me. While he was breathing it
in, he tried to hold his breath

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as long as possible. Okay,
I mean that's what's futile. I mean

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there's no point, right, there's
no point. And he was struggling against

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his restraints. There were some involuntary
movements in what looked like agonizing breathing.

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But this is expected, Yeah,
when you're restrained and you're losing oxygen.

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According to one witness, he was
a spiritual advisor named Jeff Hood. He

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described the execution is the most horrible
thing he'd ever seen. Oh no.

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He stated that Kenny wore a mask
through which the nitrogen was administered, and

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he had intense convulsions when the gas
was turned on, and he popped up

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on the gurney. But he was
restrained, so I guess he popped up

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as much as he could gas being
I don't know. That's his vivid account

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of how it happened. And again
the sentence children, Chuck and Mike,

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they were there. They stated that
it seemed like a lot of focus today

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was on Kenny and his nitrogen whatever
process, and it kind of upset us

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a little bit. What's going on
is overshadowed what actually happened. True,

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I was just thinking that. So
that was just this January. Yes,

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and Charles and Liz are buried together. They are in a dual plot in

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the cemetery. I don't know if
i'd want to be buried next to my

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husband who had me killed. I
know, but it's not really her choice.

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Yeah, I know she died and
that's really sad in her family.

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Yeah, I'm sure they reflected on
this. Yeah, and you know he

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was remorseful. I guess to the
point he didn't want to live. He

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just didn't want to go to prison. I'm sorry, she's so we don't

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know that's true. But I don't
know if that's true. But he did

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plot for months, I mean,
think about it. He took out life

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insurance, got money from his mistress
met weeks prior to the murder with these

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guys, or at least Billy,
and set it all up. Yeah,

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and even when his wife called and
asked, is it true you are allowing

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these men on our property. He
said, yes, right, And why

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would he just want to injure defense? Because that's the stupidest thing I've ever

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heard. I agree. So that
is the story of the sad tale of

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what happened to Elizabeth's senate, his
senate, Liz, that's terrible. She

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didn't deserve that. No, she
was described as an amazing Yes, I

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feel so bad for her children.
I feel bad for her family. His

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family too, frankly, and this
is a terrible thing. I'm sure his

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family was distraught as well. And
she had a grand baby. Oh and

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she just loved that grand baby.
Man, I hate people, dude.

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She had more than one, she
had grandchildren. Do you know who mistress

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was married? I don't know that. How I wish I that's the question

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you have for me? Well,
I wondered, like, what was the

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point? So he's just killing her
to pay off the bills or is he

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killing her parents debt? Yeah,
I pay off the bills and run away

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with his mistress. I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out what

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the motive is here. I know
money is one of them. This to

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me is the most craziest part is
that there were never any problems in their

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marriage. They didn't fight on the
outside. They seemed perfect. They spent

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a lot of time together. That
just goes to show you you never know

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who you're married to right right,
or who your podcast co host is.

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You never know. I could go, I could come and murder you.

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You never know. To Leah,
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haven't done a long time. I
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of us as well. We have
shout outs, yes, and these are

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two our very special Patreon members.
And if you don't know what Patreon is,

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you probably only started listening to us. But you can go to patreon

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dot com slash t and T crimes, and if you go there, you

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can get the once a week episodes
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They're AD free and they're much more
raw, a lot of more swearing.

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So if you like that, you'll
really like this and I'll usually more gruesome

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than the ones we put out in
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public episodes, ad free and early
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of Mondays, and we have a
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go too, And if you're a
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you can join us with podcast Apple
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You can subscribe through there and it's
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Yeah. The only problem with that
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Yeah, so we can't give you, So we can't give you a

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shout out, and that's unfortunate.
But we can give these people a shout

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out, and we have so many
that we are going to do half this

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week and half next So if you
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week. Sounds good. Shout out
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game Changer, Thank you, Game
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Truck Truck Truck True tr U s
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you, Susan, Katie, Jamie, Kayla, Lauren, Tabitha H,

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Loesta. I'm sorry, but you
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Heather Maddie Eduardo Janine. I guess
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Shannon R. And Stephanie R.
Thank you, Yay, thank you guys,

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thank you possibly for all of this. We really appreciate you guys more

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than you know, and we appreciate
your It's been a little bit of a

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rough year for us, but we're
getting back on track and we appreciate everybody

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that's taking the time to stick with
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We do appreciate you. So thank
you to our new members and until

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our next episode, don't kill each
other. Bye bye,