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hello. How welcome, welcome on this hot Thursday how rich this Thursday of
April, as one more Thursday, in this disca area where capacitism goes dancing.
I am hijazmil Lopez and, of course, I am very well accompanied
as every Thursday with my friend Baltearno Mejia Hello. Val How are you like
this jasmindina time I tell you already is my because always change the name,
then better we get already the burning occupy during the time of the program Welcome
and welcome. I am super happy, as I have always said, because
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that' s where we' re ready to keep carrying this area,
where capacitism comes out dancing. And today I am super happy yaz because truly
our guest is a person I admire enormously for everything she has done and for
breaking stigma and breaking paradigms from two edges. No, it' s not.
And well, I too am very, very happy to receive today someone
whom, in addition to a lot of admiration, I value a lot.
And that' s good, because suddenly we give ourselves just those permissions,
because besides, we know wonderful people as our guest today and I present them
to you. She' s the graduate. Maribel OrtegaÁlvarez holds an honorary
degree in psychology from the Faculty of Psychology of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
This graduated with the thesis entitled defense and self- defense of the rights
of people with visual impairment, an educational proposal. She is an educational counselor,
facilitator of groups and psychotherapist Gestal by the Humanist Institute of Gestal Psychotherapy.
She is director of AVE of Mexico, a partnership with experience in sexual health
and promotion and sees AchE in key populations and in a situation of vulnerability.
And well, she has also participated as an opponent in national and international congresses
and forums addressing issues of sexual health, diversity, sexual and sexuality and disability.
That' s why and for all that because of the great human being
you are. Well, today we welcome you and we' re very happy
that you' re with us. Maribel, how you feel. Oh,
I am very happy, Dear Asmin, Dear Valtier, how nice to meet
you and be able to share with you. That' s right, Mary,
because we already wanted to talk to you, because, besides, the
issue of disability and sexuality, because it is something that has come up many
times in this space from different points of view and good, of different things
and topics that suddenly arise today. Well, I' m glad to invite
you to talk to us a little earlier so our audience knows what' s
known about Mexico. Of course, bird of Mexico is a civil association that
already has thirty- four years of experience working for the full experience of sexuality,
the promotion of sexual health, the promotion of sexual and reproductive rights,
even before they were called sexual and reproductive rights. He was already working for
this right to pleasure, the right to privacy, to decide who you are
lovingly sexually related to, the right to diversity, to know the body and
has worked with populations that have been in a vulnerable situation, in this case
with members of sexual diversity, mainly lesbian, gay through and transsexual population,
but he has also worked with people with disabilities at different times. Populations with
disabilities have also approached Mexico' s bird projects and from 2, 000 to
my arrival as a person with visual impairment, we started to work harder already,
already more specific projects for populations with disabilities and with an emphasis on visual
impairment. Then we have worked, for the experience of pleasure, for the
full experience, the free experience, the respectful experience, for a well-
being and that it is the populations who talk about what we need and create
an atmosphere of trust. Being able to work is definitely a topic on which
we have discussed in this Maribel space. And who, like you, who
obviously, you' ve been driving to Mexico for a few years, tell
us how hard? Then it was commented from the two thousand that you arrived
so to address and touch on these subjects that seem taboo and that not long
ago. We are talking about twenty years, more or less a little more
where, for today, sexuality, especially in some sectors of disability, namely,
people with disabilities, is a taboo, a subject almost forbidden twenty years
ago, since much more not, And how easy or difficult it was to
start opening doors, to begin to spread and talk about active sexuality, experiences,
pleasure from the same disability, of course it was to begin to create
a gap to precisely approach the institutions that work with people with disabilities and to
offer them lectures, workshops and we find from people who had a lot of
openness recognizing that it was a very necessary topic to tie up to people who
questioned our participation. Because, well, there has been since capacitism, as
you said, that idea that people with disabilities do not have sexuality or are
unable to exercise it or have no right to exercise it. And then,
all of a sudden, there are people who think it' s best not
to be talked about and not addressed. Then, and well, in the
workshops and in the spaces that we have generated, we have found the interest
of the compañeras and the compañeros with disabilities to be able to have access to
information and the development of skills also for a full experience of their sexuality.
Then it has been a very pleasant experience, very enriching, where we have
always worked in a horizontal environment with the people who are in the workshops and
seek that the work is participatory and that we become enriched from there to really
check what the needs are and what are the strategies that work best and the
materials also. That' s right. I have had the opportunity to participate
in some workshops in two thousand seventeen. I don' t think it was
seventeen eighteen. It' s not that way there was a very nice project
on sexual and reproductive rights training. And well, people with disabilities were becoming
promoters of these rights. And well, here we met and that' s
where I want to give instruction to what brings us to the table today,
because we met materials, very beautiful, materials where we could know the human
body, the female male reproductive apparatus touching it, and that is that,
dear audience, we have already talked about it here. For example, I
' ve always made the reference I have to a female body, because it
' s my own body, not outside, I don' t have it.
Well, that' s what you can touch. But it is that
one cannot touch, for example, the uterus or the fallopian tubes. Or
not. Then, and in school we have been taught with drawings, with
illustrations, with videos, which, therefore, is completely inaccessible to people who
do not see or have low vision. Then you designed some teaching materials and,
besides, very nice ones. About that I want you to tell us
and about this anatomical model and, besides, they are now going the new
model that they are doing to teach the menstrual cycle part to women with visual
impairment and I think so. In fact, we needed teaching materials in order
to explain the anatomy, the functioning of the sexual organs, explain human sexual
response, and also explain the issue of contraceptives in hygiene. And so,
what we did was we started to generate materials that were in the third dimension
so that it was easier to understand them, because if you mark a material
where only the relief is marked, as if it were a map, for
example, it' s not so clear what it' s like because the
sexual organs, because the truth is that they are volumey, they don'
t mean, they have a body, a shape that' s not just
flat. Then we started working first through these materials, modeling them in plasticine,
then looking for them to be made with silicone and well, in the
end we found that the best answer was through the fabric. And well,
all of this we work together, both I and a person with visual impairment,
other companions and companions of birds from Mexico and our fellow specialist, Oscar
Chávez, who worked as an expert on the subject of sexual organs and their
physiology. And then, together and together with a doctor as well, and
we went there as thinking and generating the models and then approaching our partner,
Patricia Flores, who is a designer of handcrafted fabric toy. So, that
' s where we start we generate models that are made of fabrics, they
' re very accessible, they' re very beautiful, they' re very
aesthetic and that allows people to lose fear of sex organs and they can touch
them and they can ask. But, in addition, what we did was
validate them with a population with visual impairment, who could touch them and give
their comments in relation to them. So yes, it was possible to feel
everything that was being shown to them, if they suggested any change of texture,
of size, a validation was made with the population itself and it was
how the models were left the endings that are of sexual organs, both male
and female. They are very beautiful models, which are inspired by flowers both
and what would be the petals would be the external organs and what would be
inside the stem of that flower would be through what would be the organs and
internals. So, well, those are the models that we worked on in
two thousand seventeen with Jasmine on the sexual and reproductive rights project. And because
they have been very useful also for other populations, because, as they are
accessible materials, they also work with other populations. It is too important that
people with and without disabilities know their sexual organs, their reproductive organs, because
in addition, it speaks more of taking affection with respect and, obviously,
because it appreciated their own body and the body of others, and I think
it also allows to have intimate sexual affective relationships, since much more enjoyable consensories,
etc. Today, with this model you' re just telling us where
they' re going to be able to meet him, we' re not
going to be able to know him. We are aware that this is a
first stage, but that it follows how we will see it clearly. Of
course, indeed, the models of sexual organs. However, we already have
them fully validated and available for those who do not want to acquire and also
for when we give workshops, we use them and people touch them and we
work different topics. Now, currently, as part of a project that is
called the right dignified menstruation of women with visual impairment, which is supported by
the Human Rights Commission of Mexico City, we design a model to explain all
the processes that occur during the menstrual cycle and also to work and practice the
placement of inputs for the moments in which we are menstruating. Let' s
talk about placing the menstrual cup, the sanitary towel, the tampon, so
that everyone knows the alternatives that exist and develops skills to be able to place
it. He' s a very beautiful model right now. What we did
was also validate it with women with visual impairment, where our partner Jasmin and
other companions with visual impairment were also present. It was eight days ago the
Focal Group. They knew him. They saw suggestions for modifications to make it
even more accessible. Once we make those modifications, the model will be ready
for us to impart. We are going to give a first workshop in the
Human Rights Commission of Mexico City for women with visual disabilities, but we are
also going to disseminate this material on social networks that we have, that we
have this workshop to be able to thus throw different spaces of people with visual
disabilities to share it and also to be able to share this material and this
information with people close to them, to women with visual disabilities, so that
it can be favored, because this right to a dignified menstruation, and for
this it is important that we know what happens in our body through or at
the moment or at all the different moments of our menstrual cycle, which is
a subject that has been left out of hand and it has been thought that
it must be something that should not be spoken about, because we live in
the cycle repeating the menstrual cycle, because approximately forty years women have not and
it is something that has often been left aside and has not been explained,
and many people do not know what they are feeling or sometimes minimized, they
say it is not true, nothing happens, there is no change. Of
course, there are many changes at different levels and it is important to know
them so that we can be more in contact with our own body and detect
them, because what is boring with ours and we can also know the use
we are going to use and thinking as women with visual impairment, that we
need guidance so that we sit in greater confidence. So it is and well,
just eight days ago we were, because in this focus group and good
without making spoilers so that later you can know the material. Dear audience,
well the truth. The comments from those of us were very good and many
women said that this did not exist a few years ago, not when I
was a girl or when I was young, and they were a lot of
the comments. They are materials that seem to me to be a very complete
project, because, besides, of course, of all the information that is
provided, they are like those very beautiful materials with fabric and that finally is
supported also Mexican artisans. Right then that, that' s also very valuable
and all textured I mean, I want you to imagine that all of a
sudden they tell us ok, this thing they' re playing, that it
' s from there was a satin texture, it represents such a thing not.
Now, if you turn human you' re going to touch this thing
that has a texture like this softie and as more, this one doesn'
t know any more eluded and represents such a thing anymore, this one doesn
' t know a button and represents this no. So that' s really
super valuable and that suddenly the models aren' t and we say or.
But since I don' t know what happened to him before, don'
t tell us, Maribel, a little bit towards, well, you already
told us where he' s going with this material, pretentious workshops, what
he would follow for birds in Mexico and, well, tell us, how
the population in general has received these materials and these formations. Ah well,
well, the truth is that the population. For example, let’ s
talk about other people who are educators, sexists, and people who work in
the field of sexology. They have been satisfied with these materials because they even
tell us that the population, that populations that do not have disabilities, are
also very useful materials because they allow to explain in a more concrete way,
in a closer way, in a more friendly way, the different processes favor
the self- exploration when it comes to being directed towards the touch, then
it has been the opportunity to share with them, with them or other tools
and then to respond to the different learning styles that we have people, not
only to focus everything on the view. And, on the other hand,
these have been tools for people to make their interventions more accessible. So if
someone with visual impairment comes to ask them for some orientation or their workshop,
if they have this material that birds of Mexico, design, because they can
already do, they can explain and they can favor that the person with visual
impairment can also understand the processes that people are as specialists explaining. Not then,
because they make it very well received also for families. Not to see
a gentleman said. I want to buy these models from my granddaughters so that
they understand what the body is like, what sexual devices are like, because
they are very friendly models and they are also, as we said, very
aesthetic, they are very beautiful. Then, they also allow people to feel
more confident about getting close. And yes we have also worked with childhoods,
not obviously, from the subject to know initially the difference to the best,
to have vulva or to have comb not, that is to say the care
of the body, the question of the private spaces, that is to say
that we work. For what needs to be addressed at every moment of life
with people. And so, in order to see continues to be able to
further promote the sexual and reproductive rights of persons with disabilities and also to be
able to continue to offer these spaces for the development of knowledge skills in persons
with disabilities and, on the other hand, in professional specialists who work in
the field of sex education and sexology and in relatives or persons close to them,
to persons with disabilities. So, yes, that' s what they
are now, yes, the perspectives where we can get to know more about
everything they are doing about the upcoming human rights exhibitions or where they are presented,
where we can give timely follow- up to all the work they know
about Mexico. Of course it is currently from our Facebook page that we are
as a bird of Mexico, bird with uv that is to v and then
of Mexico. That' s how they find us. There it is going
to say civil organization and there we are publishing, because it is very easy
to update the information. We' re going to retake the website as well,
but right now, we' re rebuilding it. Why that good allows
you to give it as a more formality, but on Facebook it allows it
to give it more dynamism, because you are publishing the new activities that you
will have. So, from Facebook is where they can follow us and also,
well, they can send an email. I' ll give you my
mail. It' s Maribel Arroba A from Mexico, point org mx.
It would be Maribel Arroba Ab of Mexico, point org MX. And they
can also write good on Facebook, they can write by inbox and they can
also describe whatsapp, which would be fifty- five, thirty- three ninety
- one, twenty- nine fourteen. Fifty- five, thirty- three
ninety- one twenty- nine fourteen. So, Maribel, thank you so
much for being with us this day, tonight in the disca area and well,
we are very aware of what you are doing in Mexico bird. Also
later we will invite you to talk about the Congress of Sexuality that comes here
in October, in November. So, well, we' ll be talking
about all that by now. Thank you so much today for having been with
us and so good to say missing this who like You and Anda Gabriel,
if they were not for these issues. Thank you very much, Marile,
thank you very much. And we' re also in touch for the Congress
of Sexology. Persons with disabilities can apply for scholarships, because we work on
affirmative actions so that they can be more persons with disabilities than those who,
therefore, have access to these spaces. So that' s what I'
m talking about, and I' m talking about it, and then again,
it' s the express talk. Of course I do. Thank you
very much, Maribel, and well, we continue with more in the area
of discussion. I don' t want, no, I don' t
want a night of drinks. I met you They' re so many,
they' re not going, they' re talking, they' re talking,
idiot, they' re tired, they' re keeping up what you
' re going to get because of video ada, not smelling. And the
truth is, because I' m involved, even if vegan wants it,
I don' t want to stay away, I just want to dance with
you back. Baby take my hand and don' t resound it. And
the truth is, because I' m back, I want the vega.
Don' t want me just want to pay with you or with you,
with you, with you, ah aqua without clothes, without forward reality.
If you take me to another planet, it' s good to write and
don' t get bogged down. If you want to tell me when they
are answered and or or or or and I don' t forget child have
your missed call. I' m not looking for anything in the sea,
and you' re looking for it until we' re left alone because I
owe my plate, not to give eggs. And the truth is that because
I' m flying I don' t want to, I want to leave,
I don' t want to leave I want to dance with you,
I want to water my drink, my hand doesn' t shake it And
the truth is that because I' m already can still want to want truth
I don' t want record, I want to dance with you, with
you, wa with you, voltigo Rome, Yes, the truth, without
contact with the rea, you take me to another mareta, nothing is looking
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s lap in the second half of your program. Now tell where capacitism comes
out dancing. We are still here Jasmin, Jasmin López and a server baltier
mejía with all the encouragement, happiness and contentment of a judge tasty babies or
not. Yaz ay, the truth is, yes. And well, maybe
not with an interesting talk that we had with Maribel and already in this week,
almost this, because already more than half of April, then there we
are going a little, the month, the life, the time, the
spring. We also miss the rain, rain, rain, and like her
and since there is no bad fifth, well good that is coming May,
yes, no, but yes, rain rain, The heat is good tasty,
but don' t tell me I look like I need more to put
weeds of smell and an apple to Caray, because if I am cannon,
it is terrible in Chilla when Holandia saw, so we were more than in
Acapulco. In Acapulco there were twenty- eight, not net, yes,
and here we were thirty- one, thirty- two. I mean,
it can' t be why, why, why of life, because you
' re like that with us. See what I was saying, and I
don' t know if you' re gonna remember the best. You were
a baby You still don' t remember much. But I, when I
was about seven years old, six years old, I, by the late
1980s, in Mexico City, hearing temperatures of twenty- eight degrees was a
terrible heat, terrible and some hours. Then listening to thirty- four degrees,
like the beginning of this week and feeling them is when it is quite
terrible. Yeah, no, I mean, suddenly we say there' s
no climate change. There' s the one who holds that it doesn'
t exist, no, it' s good cannon. I mean, I
really like the heat. I am hot, but still, yes, yes,
the change you' re seeing and well, in many things you don
' t. For example, I was reading that the jacarandas began to bloom.
Yes, yes, before then, then he said there. The point
is, we finally have to be careful. This is the beginning, of
course, and although we cannot reverse it in the short term, but if
we can work to help it be, then, more tolerable. Not how
to avoid throwing away trash, taking care of the water, looking to plant
trees and take care of them remember that the gardeners. They' re not
trash cans. The tocones that come to be left by some tree that had
to be cut, are not better benches either. You have to look for
another tree to replace, no, but let' s try to make a
world a little greener. And speaking of green green, be to see from.
This is about to end the month of April. We are a few
days away and it comes to an important date and for those who do not
live with visual impairment, but suddenly they begin to see people with visual abilities.
With a white stick, mainly. There are already many colors, but
because almost always they place it with white color, with the orange tip a
little phosphorescent, which is with what red orange, good red red red orange.
Of course or well, it' s all a matter of this all
depends on that of astermatism and there went the name of when you don'
t see color color color color color color color color color color color color color
color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color
color color color color color color color color color color color color color color.
No good, well, that' s the most well- known and most
popular way where e, because they find that we move people who live with
visual impairment. However, there are many more and one good, not many
perish, there is more and one. The second, which is very well
known and attractive for people who do not live with disabilities, is therefore an
animal of assistance, mainly dogs. Experiments or exercises have been done with other
animals, such as ponies, but mainly with dogs, and guides or assistance
dogs. And so it is because, even with just the next Wednesday twenty
- four e, the day of awareness about the use of yaz woy assistance
dogs, and now it is that wow. Besides, by the way,
imagine you want to touch a dog as pretty as you want and are working.
Imagine it' s going to be like this. Please, it'
s not our turn. No, in fact I would not do that to
them, but precisely this date is important to raise awareness and also to advance
the legislative work. It is not, then, about the assistance dogs that
well, the ones that we identify the most, as you said justly are
the guide dogs. But in these, then, if we find another type
of assistance dogs that they finally have, they have the right and right to
the important things that we should know, when we find a user and his
guide dog, they are a binomial, because it is not that the dog,
as you say well, do not caress him so much. Yeah,
they actually eat better sometimes than then they believe what they do. No,
they eat at their hours. The crib is passing. They have very specific
schedules. Their food is special because, obviously, if they wouldn' t
be doing the bathroom everywhere, then they don' t have to have a
special diet to make it easier for the user to collect the waste from the
dog that is not left on the street, that is, all users of
dogs and, well, they have the instruction to carry bags and collect the
waste from their assistance dog and be able to throw them in a suitable place.
And now that they' re in fashion, the dogs should take that
pretty one. Example of the users of pro assists many dads and moms that
is of the perrijos and help talking garbage precisely to contribute with those ornaments that
are not beneficial to the city. We also think that the dog is working,
so if we talk to him, we distract him and we can cause,
because an accident to his user, his user unclear, not because we
still take care of our dogs and if we carry in our pets, well,
an attack of a dog towards a guide dog can cause the trauma to
be great, that loses the training, among other things. Not then,
well, they are finally a valuable tool of work for many blind people.
The puppy' s working, so let' s not distract him. Maybe
people will notice for a long time when we say these things. They say
no how you think who does that is that, by common sense you don
' t, but it does happen, that it happens more than what month
for a lot And sometimes, when they want to talk with so good to
offer help, they speak to the dog yes, yes this then, I
mean I want to think, that is to say anyone who listens to me
right now they will say no, that is who would do that nonsense.
Don' t ask dog users and whether it happens or not and they'
ll see that that nonsense is more frequent than we imagine, that it'
s less terious in reality. Not sure, they give instructions to the dog.
The dog is the instructions of his master. But I mean, suddenly
imagine I can' t imagine telling the dog in the corner you turn around,
you don' t walk, the blocks you turn to the right of
ferme and here you' re going to see the ox dad, but there
are people who do tell them right or right there isn' t and it
' s not the dog. Finally, we must take into account that who,
because it is part of the binomial, but who is directing is a
person. And notice that there are very important issues here is that there are.
I' d like to narrow it down because you touched three points very,
very, very, very important. The first one, really, and
people who have perrijos. You are responsible and responsible for your pastures, for
your pets, because in addition, if you fight as young as the dog,
you are going to bite a dog, even though they are big tints.
He' s not gonna turn around and fight the dog because he'
s not used to it. He was never taught to defend himself He'
s even a help dog. So, there really have been small dogs that
have done heavy damage and bit large assistance dogs hard and there' s no
father. Really and you will not turn the dog to bite on the one
hand, understand that, as you well mention Jazz, is a dog that
is working and that, besides losing the training, the person, the binomial
that goes next to the dog or is putting life. In other words,
imagine that your son, your daughter, your partner, your parents, a
loved one who is putting life on those four legs. So, if you
don' t take responsibility for your pets, you put at risk not only
the physical stability of the dog and guide, but also the life of a
human being. So that, if you leave him well conscious. And the
third point I think is just as important and valuable that you mentioned talking to
people. Really and the dogs have a very complicated training and as a statistic
notice that here we are from every ten dogs that come into a training process
to make dogs guide only between one and two get to graduate most or stay
on the road. Not then is it a job well I speak about the
institutions that today seek and, therefore, support in training so that a person
with visual impairment or a person with some particular disability or need I have a
assistance dog notice that we should do good. I invite you to do a
program where we talk about the different assistance dogs and the training they carry,
because it is very nice and, moreover, very emotional, even when the
users who go for their dogs tell you. Not how doggies are trained from
a young age, even before they are born, how the dad is chosen,
the mom, how the whole process is, how it is when the
user arrives and is assigned to them. It' s not very emotional,
that is, I' ve been told about it and that' s how
it is. It' s very nice. But then, just to understand
all this work, what is done how useful it is for a person and
suddenly they tell us he hears, but it is not fair. Dogs suffer
how they get in the way of bringing a little animal like that. Imagine
not, for in truth they are very careful dogs, that is to say,
of course, let us have more and less responsibility. I mean,
we can' t say they all are. No, but they have regular
vet reviews. Yeah, he cleans his teeth, his fingernails. They'
re brushed every day, every day. Then we were already talking about food.
They don' t have periods to play. They have their bed,
their rest time. So, well, van takes care that, then,
they' re going to the bathroom at their own time. Not then are
very well- kept dogs and it' s really not like they' re
suffering. They are cared for, loved, loved and super laid and cared
for. No, then they' re not suffering. So it really dawned
on the next 24th of April, because in fact it is commemorated, because
every Wednesday cal last Wednesday of April, the day, then of the assistance
dogs. It is worth it, because sharing all this with whoever you want
to also approach assistance dog institutions, as you mention here, inviting a day
to guide dogs not here in Mexico City or some other training school that tells
us, because everything is done, all the problems in which they face not
only economic, but we talked, for example, from this selection that is
made there. Many are discarded by moving hips, which are detected from young,
because, obviously, the work is going to be much rougher, etcetera,
etcetera. Then by their clear character, of course, they are very
tenacious and also, the social part not long ago. We' re talking
about the legislative part. That too will be very good, because also to
have, so to be able to have access. Enter restaurants, theatres,
so different places, not schools, libraries, etcetera, etcetera. Well,
yes, means of transport, not that we suddenly think good is that what
or not is logical to the public place, yes, but some means are
transported, deny access or service. Well, good for going with an assist
dog. So this legislative part also and how it is progressing in Mexico and
how it is in other countries, because it will be very good to talk,
of course, and above all, to understand that a assistance dog is
a tool, not a pet. That' s where I' m at
the difference. Let' s make music. It' s because if this
area doesn' t say we follow each other, we keep talking and we
have to go to the barle. Funnel for a little while. Oh yes,
I love to move the boat boy. We' re going to put
a little surprise in the way you see We' re going to propose.
Let' s go get the surprise, see what they think also to see
what comes out on the roulette come then do not disconnect, listen and join
us to move to small boat in this areadisc, in rich juevesito where there
is capacitism goes dancing. Yeah, with as with with as with with as
I don' t have what I love everything and at my best I want
to gold me little by little. Yeah, listen to toy town, but
I know tomorrow was a different nice one, another vibe, another vibe.
Hey, I' m at Manuel' s 20, but I' m
on top of you. As I heal my heart today I go out to
take advantage of the sun is fine, not feeling good, it' s
normal, it' s not a crime. She' s alive, I
need a blanket and as she heals my heart today I go out to take
advantage of jay sun is fine, not feeling good, it' s normal,
it' s not a crime And tomorrow will not be more beautiful health,
because I have my parents well my little sisters. I' m not
a hundred today, too, but I' m soon taken off with a
beer and a good musicita. The visitation corduroys go bad, although being bad
is bad. It' s all good that I don' t lack my
health, neither for me nor for my chronicle. I haven' t seen
the instruments. That' s what I' ve got I' m going,
but I didn' t forget where I came from. I know what
I am and what I will do for that reason that faith has me,
you don' t need me and you just take time to gag me.
I' m healthy with your company. That fasqueme in another. I can
' t find her. No. That' s why I want from your
pa that happen to me to goose. Today I go by sea to take
advantage I am already, okay, not feeling good, it' s normal,
it' s not crime. It' s alive on a blanket I
need it while I heal my heart today It' s something to take advantage
of Jay sun It' s okay It' s not a crime. Guros,
we' re back and how this did make them feel like dancing to
us. Of course I do. Surprise with carl g that we love in
this area discar and good, because it is all one of things that we
love where not necessarily valter and I agree, that it is beautiful? What
' s nice? Don' t you agree? Sure? Of course,
it finally goes like that, fueling the discussion and arguing, because it is
nice. This is how a lot of things are being built as well.
In past programs, we' ve been talking about some software for people with
visual disabilities. And well, today we want to talk to you about two
screen readers that are, well, like one of the most used in the
world, which are me for Windows, which is a cost program of a
company that is called scientific freedon and in n ebda don no no visual textopaxes
that is a free software program and that good, because it is, of
course, being free software, it is free and free access for the Community
can be modified and the Community itself is making and contributing as complements to make
it richer for everyone. Now tell me their acronym doesn' t threaten and
so many starting out there isn' t true to see. I agree,
with you, that it is a terrible thing to have competition, especially because
we have two things in mind. Ninety percent of blind and blind users of
screen readers. We use Windows, two, ten uses Mac and it'
s very nice. But in Windows we have two alternatives, mainly Just for
Windows and nbada in NBA, as well mentioned. And here I say with
what you' re saying, because I differ a little, because the software
is free. But at the end of the day, piracy ends up being
used, as piracy gets used in me, especially in developing countries. Then
I get my attention and it is made like an irony, a little sarcasm
to say that your problem is free, but for you to occupy it comfortably,
because you also occupy piracy in complements, mainly that good that exists and
besides that good that already comes a third option. We already told you about
Narrader for Windows, which is apart from the operating theme. But in addition,
I believe that NBADA has helped to get to where the jos flat.
There are things that remain mute, that is, blind one and mute the
other, for no more, we do not understand each other, and then
it can be a very good complement to them. But in particular the first
argument I think leaves me much to be desired in that regard. However,
I also agree that they outside the United States, in countries that also have
agreements on this economics with other countries. It' s way too much,
I mean, it' s a mother- mind how expensive it might be
that it leads you to that if you go to an average person, because
it' s going to lead you to use piracy. And that' s
a reality that I think I aníspero and obviously, because scientific fraure doesn'
t care much what we say because they don' t change their policies and
that, finally, I mean in nbada to see the philosophy of NVD is
that the user can have his computer enabled since he learns it, not and
that among all of us we are building the use of piracy that you mentioned
unlike jos that, as it is in countries where there is no money,
because if you want software, you hack it, or you hack it unless
there are like other agreements, like in Colombia, that have license country.
But well, outside of it, it' s actually that the vast majority
of users because they end up doing that. Not stealing the software from NBD
is free, you don' t have to steal it. And the use
of software from other non- legal software, not this which is cost-
effective and which is that they crack is not elective. You can use 100
% NBDA without using a single cracked pirate software. No, in fact,
in the official communities of NBDA, which are aid groups of Whatsapp, which
is therefore a shop of complements for NBADA, which are pages, because in
fact, part of the rules is that users cannot encourage the use of piracy
or pass it on, not in voices or anything. So, just the
development of add- ons, because it allows you to use it is a
very light program that you can carry on any USB and use in any Internet
cafe. You don' t like the resources of the computer that uses ust
for Windows, that goes into the kitchen. No, and this, I
repeat, is selective. I can' t tell you myself and I know
a lot of people and I' m sure many of the people who build
and that day by day, because they work to make it accessible. We
don' t use pirate software for our screen reader, because we use add
- ons. I don' t even have plugins or I don' t
have many installed plugins. Or, in the Community and the official store has
no number of applications that design the same partners and that also officially climb with
the developers. And well, the program is free of charge. You can
donate if you wish, but you don' t have to make those failures
clear and considering that in b you receive government resources, also if you have
a very strong sponsor. There are two things. The truth is that you
mention it can be free, of course, but at the end of the
day, if we are honest, more than ninety percent of people, in
fact, I will know two of them, that is, not nbada,
that they do not use illegal or cracked accessories, because at the end of
the day, because it is not just usability the most comfortable that the defense
with jos that already comes to you absolutely with everything, and that, besides
there are things like to make time mentioned where in everda is an extraordinarily positive
complement and moreover, I recognize its lightness that you can take it on a
USB, unlike them because you install it or install it not. However,
for example, there are things, especially in matters of office automation, in
topics already a little more dependent on your activities that you can not not to
an nbada is far from being able to go as far as it reaches.
I mean, for example, all the accessibility compatibility you have with Office,
which we like or do not like today, despite the strong power Google has,
because Office is still him. We put in Latin America the program or
suite of office automations, especially in companies, for security issues, etcetera.
Then I think we can and can add both. And here I think we
can agree. Maybe if you want to use me if you have to buy
it, you can not use it and you can support a lot of NVDA.
Because besides, as you well do not mention, the development that is
being made is very good. There are people who really dedicate themselves to programming
and making scripts for good nbada, especially for topics that are like more in
these new reviews, yes, and in this new wave as accessibility, for
example, in audio and software topics, audio themes, etcetera. I think
you' re disticulous like those other things where they' re very attacks.
But with topics or programs already much more official, more married or more standardized,
then I think there is the best. Your sky op is for everyone
and everyone. And today, well, now everyone can try both, whether
official or unofficial with or without supplements. The important thing. I think if
you always have the money for whatever you leave so you can avoid perdiatry,
think that you too can program and you wouldn' t want your work and
your effort to be sold in tepito and that you didn' t make three
pesos. No, then that' s right, you have to be aware.
However, good because that helps you to settle in with it and you
have nothing, because I don' t even feel it and I speak for
both, therefore for the snow complements as for God. At the end of
the day, I' ll take care of that, not NBD. That
' s good, of course because and good because inviting them to that is
not accurate. Or that, as far as possible, the work of programmers
is recognized. I mean, I' m not going to say that don
' t each is going to touch update, but well if I donate with
any frequency of what I can donate, of course, and that and that
is good. Now look at yourself, you said, no, because maybe
one and complement the other. I' ll tell you something. Since March
of two thousand and ten I stopped on March ten of two thousand and ten
I stopped using jos and since that day, for here I use in nbada
and I have not used again and in all these years. So, well,
you can, you don' t need Netas to supplement. It'
s not clear, that you can be with the only tea, but that
depends. I' ll tell you one thing and here I' ll leave
it to you not to put them on. But that consciousness all that time.
You' ve never used a complement and pirate spell decaled anything. I
think that' s the way it' s going. I can tell you
from him I have not used them in no time as an original or primary
reader, but I have occupied them. Fortunately, I' ve had a
chance since two thousand and eighteen to stop cracking it. And so it'
s exactly the same thing and for me, in particular, that I run
different programs, both editing and defamatory. The YUS has been my salvation without
minimizing the work that comes to me in evelity. When I got to occupy
him, he didn' t leave me lying down either. Then I think
it' s worth a lot And well, to close it. I think
the fundraiser is using that you want. That' s why I said if
you want to try piracy, then try it at your own risk. That
is also important, but the most important thing is that you occupy the technology,
that you promote the technology, but others, that also contribute from tuarista,
not respecting the work of others. We' re leaving jazz, but
before parish announcements. Yes, of course, let them forget that next week
we have Wednesday, Thursday and Friday the second meeting of knowledge and feeling to
think is about disability in Latin America, which will be held at the Ibero
- American University, this meeting that is organized in a joint effort between the
critical interdisciplinary seminar of the UACM, the Claxo and the Ibero. So,
well, there we will be in these forces, in this union of different
educational institutions and well, in a face- to- face way in the
Iberian can also be followed through social networks. But, well, it'
s gonna be really good. I believe that the work, the exchange that
can be done personally, we cannot replace it online. No, now,
if it can' t be good, we see it online, because we
' re really waiting for them it' s going to be super interesting.
We started at nine in the morning with many tables, conferences, panels,
exhibitions, workshops. Then, over there we see ourselves on the 24th,
25th and 26th of April. Thank you very much, because you are already
here to give it to us and give us a small turn to those who
can and let us know that what is being done and that is happening on
disability issues thank you very much, Jasmin. My name is Baltier Mejía.
We' ll hear each other next week. See you later we' re
in this disca area where capacitism comes out dancing. It is up to us
to stop for now, but we will continue step by step in favour of
inclusion. Come back soon that there is no cadenero in the disca area