WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.360 You listen to RTV in Mexico, Ray soundings that travel in the habit head 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:11.359 just for your ears. From Mexico City we trigger intense emotions, merging your 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:16.679 mind with music and ideas full of your essence. We choose the best music 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:21.920 of all time and perfect it with the best spoken and musical programs and form 5 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.239 a different programming. And since it' s not you, connect to your 6 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:30.960 station. We are RTV Mexico 24 hours, three hundred sixty- five days 7 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:36.600 a year of continuous programming. You are Radio TV Mexico only for your ears 8 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:48.280 Hyperboria Radio. There are the best digital platforms for you to enjoy our programming 9 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:53.960 at any time you want where you are and who you are with. Listen 10 00:00:54.119 --> 00:01:00.399 to us in Spotify, Apple Podcast I, h Radium, Amazon Music, 11 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:07.519 Google Podcasts and Preaker and Ferboria Radio. A place for you and your digital 12 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:21.359 platforms lets your senses maximize. Let us get to the last muscle fiber in 13 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:26.120 your body. You' re about to come in. Welcome to our disc 14 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:32.400 area, welcome to our disca area, a place where capacitism comes out dancing 15 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:51.640 hello. How welcome, welcome on this hot Thursday how rich this Thursday of 16 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:57.159 April, as one more Thursday, in this disca area where capacitism goes dancing. 17 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:01.239 I am hijazmil Lopez and, of course, I am very well accompanied 18 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:06.840 as every Thursday with my friend Baltearno Mejia Hello. Val How are you like 19 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.080 this jasmindina time I tell you already is my because always change the name, 20 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:15.479 then better we get already the burning occupy during the time of the program Welcome 21 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:16.759 and welcome. I am super happy, as I have always said, because 22 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:22.080 already for ends play babies and the body knows them to hear, for and 23 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.280 we really invite them to pass us and to greet us, to talk, 24 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:29.560 to say what they like what they do not like. Through the different and 25 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:36.240 social networks of hyperboya Radio in all we are there listening and looking for their 26 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.000 comments, their observations and also that they like of this space where they can 27 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:45.280 also hear us through all the platforms of podcast and also through r TV Mexico. 28 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.639 Point em equis on Thursdays at 7 p m on Mondays at 6 p 29 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.919 m and because you don' t feel on the other side of the pool, 30 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.199 Tuesdays at 10 a m, in time for Madrid. So, well, 31 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.800 that' s where we' re ready to keep carrying this area, 32 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:06.960 where capacitism comes out dancing. And today I am super happy yaz because truly 33 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.879 our guest is a person I admire enormously for everything she has done and for 34 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:17.039 breaking stigma and breaking paradigms from two edges. No, it' s not. 35 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:22.120 And well, I too am very, very happy to receive today someone 36 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:27.039 whom, in addition to a lot of admiration, I value a lot. 37 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.879 And that' s good, because suddenly we give ourselves just those permissions, 38 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:35.800 because besides, we know wonderful people as our guest today and I present them 39 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:39.800 to you. She' s the graduate. Maribel OrtegaÁlvarez holds an honorary 40 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:46.879 degree in psychology from the Faculty of Psychology of the National Autonomous University of Mexico. 41 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.479 This graduated with the thesis entitled defense and self- defense of the rights 42 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:57.800 of people with visual impairment, an educational proposal. She is an educational counselor, 43 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.759 facilitator of groups and psychotherapist Gestal by the Humanist Institute of Gestal Psychotherapy. 44 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:10.639 She is director of AVE of Mexico, a partnership with experience in sexual health 45 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:15.159 and promotion and sees AchE in key populations and in a situation of vulnerability. 46 00:04:15.920 --> 00:04:20.560 And well, she has also participated as an opponent in national and international congresses 47 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:28.519 and forums addressing issues of sexual health, diversity, sexual and sexuality and disability. 48 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.160 That' s why and for all that because of the great human being 49 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.399 you are. Well, today we welcome you and we' re very happy 50 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.040 that you' re with us. Maribel, how you feel. Oh, 51 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:43.600 I am very happy, Dear Asmin, Dear Valtier, how nice to meet 52 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.600 you and be able to share with you. That' s right, Mary, 53 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:53.199 because we already wanted to talk to you, because, besides, the 54 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:56.480 issue of disability and sexuality, because it is something that has come up many 55 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:02.680 times in this space from different points of view and good, of different things 56 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:10.519 and topics that suddenly arise today. Well, I' m glad to invite 57 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.800 you to talk to us a little earlier so our audience knows what' s 58 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.279 known about Mexico. Of course, bird of Mexico is a civil association that 59 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:24.800 already has thirty- four years of experience working for the full experience of sexuality, 60 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.720 the promotion of sexual health, the promotion of sexual and reproductive rights, 61 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:35.360 even before they were called sexual and reproductive rights. He was already working for 62 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:40.160 this right to pleasure, the right to privacy, to decide who you are 63 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:47.600 lovingly sexually related to, the right to diversity, to know the body and 64 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:53.240 has worked with populations that have been in a vulnerable situation, in this case 65 00:05:53.399 --> 00:06:00.160 with members of sexual diversity, mainly lesbian, gay through and transsexual population, 66 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:09.519 but he has also worked with people with disabilities at different times. Populations with 67 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:14.639 disabilities have also approached Mexico' s bird projects and from 2, 000 to 68 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:18.959 my arrival as a person with visual impairment, we started to work harder already, 69 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:26.319 already more specific projects for populations with disabilities and with an emphasis on visual 70 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:31.800 impairment. Then we have worked, for the experience of pleasure, for the 71 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:38.959 full experience, the free experience, the respectful experience, for a well- 72 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:45.920 being and that it is the populations who talk about what we need and create 73 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.839 an atmosphere of trust. Being able to work is definitely a topic on which 74 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:54.720 we have discussed in this Maribel space. And who, like you, who 75 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.240 obviously, you' ve been driving to Mexico for a few years, tell 76 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.920 us how hard? Then it was commented from the two thousand that you arrived 77 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:09.560 so to address and touch on these subjects that seem taboo and that not long 78 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.040 ago. We are talking about twenty years, more or less a little more 79 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:17.480 where, for today, sexuality, especially in some sectors of disability, namely, 80 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.720 people with disabilities, is a taboo, a subject almost forbidden twenty years 81 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:27.079 ago, since much more not, And how easy or difficult it was to 82 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:30.439 start opening doors, to begin to spread and talk about active sexuality, experiences, 83 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:38.040 pleasure from the same disability, of course it was to begin to create 84 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:43.879 a gap to precisely approach the institutions that work with people with disabilities and to 85 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:51.360 offer them lectures, workshops and we find from people who had a lot of 86 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:59.279 openness recognizing that it was a very necessary topic to tie up to people who 87 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:07.439 questioned our participation. Because, well, there has been since capacitism, as 88 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:13.319 you said, that idea that people with disabilities do not have sexuality or are 89 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.879 unable to exercise it or have no right to exercise it. And then, 90 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.560 all of a sudden, there are people who think it' s best not 91 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:26.040 to be talked about and not addressed. Then, and well, in the 92 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:31.879 workshops and in the spaces that we have generated, we have found the interest 93 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:37.879 of the compañeras and the compañeros with disabilities to be able to have access to 94 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.519 information and the development of skills also for a full experience of their sexuality. 95 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:48.320 Then it has been a very pleasant experience, very enriching, where we have 96 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:56.279 always worked in a horizontal environment with the people who are in the workshops and 97 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.879 seek that the work is participatory and that we become enriched from there to really 98 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:07.960 check what the needs are and what are the strategies that work best and the 99 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.720 materials also. That' s right. I have had the opportunity to participate 100 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:18.039 in some workshops in two thousand seventeen. I don' t think it was 101 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.679 seventeen eighteen. It' s not that way there was a very nice project 102 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:28.240 on sexual and reproductive rights training. And well, people with disabilities were becoming 103 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:35.320 promoters of these rights. And well, here we met and that' s 104 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.000 where I want to give instruction to what brings us to the table today, 105 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:46.120 because we met materials, very beautiful, materials where we could know the human 106 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.799 body, the female male reproductive apparatus touching it, and that is that, 107 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:52.679 dear audience, we have already talked about it here. For example, I 108 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.639 ' ve always made the reference I have to a female body, because it 109 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.559 ' s my own body, not outside, I don' t have it. 110 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.080 Well, that' s what you can touch. But it is that 111 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.960 one cannot touch, for example, the uterus or the fallopian tubes. Or 112 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.960 not. Then, and in school we have been taught with drawings, with 113 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.000 illustrations, with videos, which, therefore, is completely inaccessible to people who 114 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:26.799 do not see or have low vision. Then you designed some teaching materials and, 115 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:31.840 besides, very nice ones. About that I want you to tell us 116 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.120 and about this anatomical model and, besides, they are now going the new 117 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:43.000 model that they are doing to teach the menstrual cycle part to women with visual 118 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:50.279 impairment and I think so. In fact, we needed teaching materials in order 119 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:56.279 to explain the anatomy, the functioning of the sexual organs, explain human sexual 120 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.919 response, and also explain the issue of contraceptives in hygiene. And so, 121 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:09.399 what we did was we started to generate materials that were in the third dimension 122 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:15.600 so that it was easier to understand them, because if you mark a material 123 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.320 where only the relief is marked, as if it were a map, for 124 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.440 example, it' s not so clear what it' s like because the 125 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:28.240 sexual organs, because the truth is that they are volumey, they don' 126 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:28.399 t mean, they have a body, a shape that' s not just 127 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:35.840 flat. Then we started working first through these materials, modeling them in plasticine, 128 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:41.240 then looking for them to be made with silicone and well, in the 129 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.360 end we found that the best answer was through the fabric. And well, 130 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.679 all of this we work together, both I and a person with visual impairment, 131 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.519 other companions and companions of birds from Mexico and our fellow specialist, Oscar 132 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:03.120 Chávez, who worked as an expert on the subject of sexual organs and their 133 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.519 physiology. And then, together and together with a doctor as well, and 134 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:16.360 we went there as thinking and generating the models and then approaching our partner, 135 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.960 Patricia Flores, who is a designer of handcrafted fabric toy. So, that 136 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.600 ' s where we start we generate models that are made of fabrics, they 137 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.039 ' re very accessible, they' re very beautiful, they' re very 138 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.240 aesthetic and that allows people to lose fear of sex organs and they can touch 139 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.799 them and they can ask. But, in addition, what we did was 140 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:46.000 validate them with a population with visual impairment, who could touch them and give 141 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.799 their comments in relation to them. So yes, it was possible to feel 142 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:54.840 everything that was being shown to them, if they suggested any change of texture, 143 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.159 of size, a validation was made with the population itself and it was 144 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.879 how the models were left the endings that are of sexual organs, both male 145 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.240 and female. They are very beautiful models, which are inspired by flowers both 146 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:13.840 and what would be the petals would be the external organs and what would be 147 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.000 inside the stem of that flower would be through what would be the organs and 148 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.960 internals. So, well, those are the models that we worked on in 149 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.480 two thousand seventeen with Jasmine on the sexual and reproductive rights project. And because 150 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.519 they have been very useful also for other populations, because, as they are 151 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:41.200 accessible materials, they also work with other populations. It is too important that 152 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.960 people with and without disabilities know their sexual organs, their reproductive organs, because 153 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:52.440 in addition, it speaks more of taking affection with respect and, obviously, 154 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:58.320 because it appreciated their own body and the body of others, and I think 155 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:05.240 it also allows to have intimate sexual affective relationships, since much more enjoyable consensories, 156 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:11.399 etc. Today, with this model you' re just telling us where 157 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.879 they' re going to be able to meet him, we' re not 158 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.799 going to be able to know him. We are aware that this is a 159 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.960 first stage, but that it follows how we will see it clearly. Of 160 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.159 course, indeed, the models of sexual organs. However, we already have 161 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:33.039 them fully validated and available for those who do not want to acquire and also 162 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.159 for when we give workshops, we use them and people touch them and we 163 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.120 work different topics. Now, currently, as part of a project that is 164 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:48.519 called the right dignified menstruation of women with visual impairment, which is supported by 165 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:54.759 the Human Rights Commission of Mexico City, we design a model to explain all 166 00:14:54.919 --> 00:15:01.080 the processes that occur during the menstrual cycle and also to work and practice the 167 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:07.639 placement of inputs for the moments in which we are menstruating. Let' s 168 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:13.200 talk about placing the menstrual cup, the sanitary towel, the tampon, so 169 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.559 that everyone knows the alternatives that exist and develops skills to be able to place 170 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.960 it. He' s a very beautiful model right now. What we did 171 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.799 was also validate it with women with visual impairment, where our partner Jasmin and 172 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.399 other companions with visual impairment were also present. It was eight days ago the 173 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:37.519 Focal Group. They knew him. They saw suggestions for modifications to make it 174 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.200 even more accessible. Once we make those modifications, the model will be ready 175 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:46.720 for us to impart. We are going to give a first workshop in the 176 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.519 Human Rights Commission of Mexico City for women with visual disabilities, but we are 177 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:58.679 also going to disseminate this material on social networks that we have, that we 178 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:06.320 have this workshop to be able to thus throw different spaces of people with visual 179 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:12.360 disabilities to share it and also to be able to share this material and this 180 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:18.720 information with people close to them, to women with visual disabilities, so that 181 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:23.759 it can be favored, because this right to a dignified menstruation, and for 182 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:29.639 this it is important that we know what happens in our body through or at 183 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.559 the moment or at all the different moments of our menstrual cycle, which is 184 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.639 a subject that has been left out of hand and it has been thought that 185 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:45.240 it must be something that should not be spoken about, because we live in 186 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.559 the cycle repeating the menstrual cycle, because approximately forty years women have not and 187 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.200 it is something that has often been left aside and has not been explained, 188 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:57.879 and many people do not know what they are feeling or sometimes minimized, they 189 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:00.159 say it is not true, nothing happens, there is no change. Of 190 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:07.680 course, there are many changes at different levels and it is important to know 191 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.240 them so that we can be more in contact with our own body and detect 192 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:17.519 them, because what is boring with ours and we can also know the use 193 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:22.440 we are going to use and thinking as women with visual impairment, that we 194 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.319 need guidance so that we sit in greater confidence. So it is and well, 195 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.920 just eight days ago we were, because in this focus group and good 196 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:36.720 without making spoilers so that later you can know the material. Dear audience, 197 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.400 well the truth. The comments from those of us were very good and many 198 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:48.440 women said that this did not exist a few years ago, not when I 199 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.759 was a girl or when I was young, and they were a lot of 200 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.000 the comments. They are materials that seem to me to be a very complete 201 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.200 project, because, besides, of course, of all the information that is 202 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:06.880 provided, they are like those very beautiful materials with fabric and that finally is 203 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.359 supported also Mexican artisans. Right then that, that' s also very valuable 204 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.319 and all textured I mean, I want you to imagine that all of a 205 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.200 sudden they tell us ok, this thing they' re playing, that it 206 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:19.799 ' s from there was a satin texture, it represents such a thing not. 207 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:26.279 Now, if you turn human you' re going to touch this thing 208 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:32.759 that has a texture like this softie and as more, this one doesn' 209 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.000 t know any more eluded and represents such a thing anymore, this one doesn 210 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.640 ' t know a button and represents this no. So that' s really 211 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:42.559 super valuable and that suddenly the models aren' t and we say or. 212 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:48.000 But since I don' t know what happened to him before, don' 213 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:51.920 t tell us, Maribel, a little bit towards, well, you already 214 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:57.119 told us where he' s going with this material, pretentious workshops, what 215 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:02.599 he would follow for birds in Mexico and, well, tell us, how 216 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:03.640 the population in general has received these materials and these formations. Ah well, 217 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.160 well, the truth is that the population. For example, let’ s 218 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.880 talk about other people who are educators, sexists, and people who work in 219 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:22.079 the field of sexology. They have been satisfied with these materials because they even 220 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.680 tell us that the population, that populations that do not have disabilities, are 221 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.039 also very useful materials because they allow to explain in a more concrete way, 222 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:40.680 in a closer way, in a more friendly way, the different processes favor 223 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.880 the self- exploration when it comes to being directed towards the touch, then 224 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:51.519 it has been the opportunity to share with them, with them or other tools 225 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:56.880 and then to respond to the different learning styles that we have people, not 226 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.880 only to focus everything on the view. And, on the other hand, 227 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:07.440 these have been tools for people to make their interventions more accessible. So if 228 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.640 someone with visual impairment comes to ask them for some orientation or their workshop, 229 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:17.759 if they have this material that birds of Mexico, design, because they can 230 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:23.519 already do, they can explain and they can favor that the person with visual 231 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:29.680 impairment can also understand the processes that people are as specialists explaining. Not then, 232 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.680 because they make it very well received also for families. Not to see 233 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.599 a gentleman said. I want to buy these models from my granddaughters so that 234 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:45.319 they understand what the body is like, what sexual devices are like, because 235 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.240 they are very friendly models and they are also, as we said, very 236 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.599 aesthetic, they are very beautiful. Then, they also allow people to feel 237 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:57.240 more confident about getting close. And yes we have also worked with childhoods, 238 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:04.559 not obviously, from the subject to know initially the difference to the best, 239 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:10.519 to have vulva or to have comb not, that is to say the care 240 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:15.319 of the body, the question of the private spaces, that is to say 241 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:19.079 that we work. For what needs to be addressed at every moment of life 242 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:25.559 with people. And so, in order to see continues to be able to 243 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.680 further promote the sexual and reproductive rights of persons with disabilities and also to be 244 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:37.880 able to continue to offer these spaces for the development of knowledge skills in persons 245 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.000 with disabilities and, on the other hand, in professional specialists who work in 246 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:47.720 the field of sex education and sexology and in relatives or persons close to them, 247 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:52.000 to persons with disabilities. So, yes, that' s what they 248 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.839 are now, yes, the perspectives where we can get to know more about 249 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:03.960 everything they are doing about the upcoming human rights exhibitions or where they are presented, 250 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.240 where we can give timely follow- up to all the work they know 251 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:15.039 about Mexico. Of course it is currently from our Facebook page that we are 252 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.200 as a bird of Mexico, bird with uv that is to v and then 253 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.079 of Mexico. That' s how they find us. There it is going 254 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:29.640 to say civil organization and there we are publishing, because it is very easy 255 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.079 to update the information. We' re going to retake the website as well, 256 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:40.079 but right now, we' re rebuilding it. Why that good allows 257 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:45.000 you to give it as a more formality, but on Facebook it allows it 258 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.279 to give it more dynamism, because you are publishing the new activities that you 259 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:53.200 will have. So, from Facebook is where they can follow us and also, 260 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:56.359 well, they can send an email. I' ll give you my 261 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:03.599 mail. It' s Maribel Arroba A from Mexico, point org mx. 262 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:08.839 It would be Maribel Arroba Ab of Mexico, point org MX. And they 263 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:14.920 can also write good on Facebook, they can write by inbox and they can 264 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.759 also describe whatsapp, which would be fifty- five, thirty- three ninety 265 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.079 - one, twenty- nine fourteen. Fifty- five, thirty- three 266 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.720 ninety- one twenty- nine fourteen. So, Maribel, thank you so 267 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.920 much for being with us this day, tonight in the disca area and well, 268 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:34.440 we are very aware of what you are doing in Mexico bird. Also 269 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:40.759 later we will invite you to talk about the Congress of Sexuality that comes here 270 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:45.960 in October, in November. So, well, we' ll be talking 271 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.839 about all that by now. Thank you so much today for having been with 272 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:56.000 us and so good to say missing this who like You and Anda Gabriel, 273 00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:02.119 if they were not for these issues. Thank you very much, Marile, 274 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.200 thank you very much. And we' re also in touch for the Congress 275 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:14.279 of Sexology. Persons with disabilities can apply for scholarships, because we work on 276 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.680 affirmative actions so that they can be more persons with disabilities than those who, 277 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.799 therefore, have access to these spaces. So that' s what I' 278 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.960 m talking about, and I' m talking about it, and then again, 279 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:27.640 it' s the express talk. Of course I do. Thank you 280 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.079 very much, Maribel, and well, we continue with more in the area 281 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:41.319 of discussion. I don' t want, no, I don' t 282 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.559 want a night of drinks. I met you They' re so many, 283 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:55.920 they' re not going, they' re talking, they' re talking, 284 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:03.119 idiot, they' re tired, they' re keeping up what you 285 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.880 ' re going to get because of video ada, not smelling. And the 286 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:08.200 truth is, because I' m involved, even if vegan wants it, 287 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:15.160 I don' t want to stay away, I just want to dance with 288 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:19.039 you back. Baby take my hand and don' t resound it. And 289 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:23.400 the truth is, because I' m back, I want the vega. 290 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:41.880 Don' t want me just want to pay with you or with you, 291 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.119 with you, with you, ah aqua without clothes, without forward reality. 292 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.559 If you take me to another planet, it' s good to write and 293 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.880 don' t get bogged down. If you want to tell me when they 294 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:03.480 are answered and or or or or and I don' t forget child have 295 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.519 your missed call. I' m not looking for anything in the sea, 296 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:15.359 and you' re looking for it until we' re left alone because I 297 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:18.519 owe my plate, not to give eggs. And the truth is that because 298 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.880 I' m flying I don' t want to, I want to leave, 299 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:32.079 I don' t want to leave I want to dance with you, 300 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.680 I want to water my drink, my hand doesn' t shake it And 301 00:26:37.839 --> 00:27:00.480 the truth is that because I' m already can still want to want truth 302 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.599 I don' t want record, I want to dance with you, with 303 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:12.119 you, wa with you, voltigo Rome, Yes, the truth, without 304 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:19.519 contact with the rea, you take me to another mareta, nothing is looking 305 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:26.839 channel, father your time until we complain the hours with ah do. 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And well, maybe 322 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:26.039 not with an interesting talk that we had with Maribel and already in this week, 323 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.920 almost this, because already more than half of April, then there we 324 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.680 are going a little, the month, the life, the time, the 325 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.759 spring. We also miss the rain, rain, rain, and like her 326 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.119 and since there is no bad fifth, well good that is coming May, 327 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.920 yes, no, but yes, rain rain, The heat is good tasty, 328 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.480 but don' t tell me I look like I need more to put 329 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.519 weeds of smell and an apple to Caray, because if I am cannon, 330 00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:04.440 it is terrible in Chilla when Holandia saw, so we were more than in 331 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:10.880 Acapulco. In Acapulco there were twenty- eight, not net, yes, 332 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.000 and here we were thirty- one, thirty- two. I mean, 333 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.640 it can' t be why, why, why of life, because you 334 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.920 ' re like that with us. See what I was saying, and I 335 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.799 don' t know if you' re gonna remember the best. You were 336 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.079 a baby You still don' t remember much. But I, when I 337 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:33.799 was about seven years old, six years old, I, by the late 338 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.279 1980s, in Mexico City, hearing temperatures of twenty- eight degrees was a 339 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:49.839 terrible heat, terrible and some hours. Then listening to thirty- four degrees, 340 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:56.359 like the beginning of this week and feeling them is when it is quite 341 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:00.599 terrible. Yeah, no, I mean, suddenly we say there' s 342 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.079 no climate change. There' s the one who holds that it doesn' 343 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.119 t exist, no, it' s good cannon. I mean, I 344 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.680 really like the heat. I am hot, but still, yes, yes, 345 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.200 the change you' re seeing and well, in many things you don 346 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:18.400 ' t. For example, I was reading that the jacarandas began to bloom. 347 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.039 Yes, yes, before then, then he said there. The point 348 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.400 is, we finally have to be careful. This is the beginning, of 349 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.160 course, and although we cannot reverse it in the short term, but if 350 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.400 we can work to help it be, then, more tolerable. Not how 351 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:44.920 to avoid throwing away trash, taking care of the water, looking to plant 352 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.599 trees and take care of them remember that the gardeners. They' re not 353 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.039 trash cans. The tocones that come to be left by some tree that had 354 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.720 to be cut, are not better benches either. You have to look for 355 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.960 another tree to replace, no, but let' s try to make a 356 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:05.720 world a little greener. And speaking of green green, be to see from. 357 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:12.480 This is about to end the month of April. We are a few 358 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:19.480 days away and it comes to an important date and for those who do not 359 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.039 live with visual impairment, but suddenly they begin to see people with visual abilities. 360 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:28.119 With a white stick, mainly. There are already many colors, but 361 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:32.000 because almost always they place it with white color, with the orange tip a 362 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:37.440 little phosphorescent, which is with what red orange, good red red red orange. 363 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:46.279 Of course or well, it' s all a matter of this all 364 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.920 depends on that of astermatism and there went the name of when you don' 365 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:55.400 t see color color color color color color color color color color color color color 366 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:55.400 color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color 367 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:55.400 color color color color color color color color color color color color color color color 368 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:55.400 color color color color color color color color color color color color color color. 369 00:32:55.480 --> 00:33:01.039 No good, well, that' s the most well- known and most 370 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:06.279 popular way where e, because they find that we move people who live with 371 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.559 visual impairment. However, there are many more and one good, not many 372 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.240 perish, there is more and one. The second, which is very well 373 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.960 known and attractive for people who do not live with disabilities, is therefore an 374 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.920 animal of assistance, mainly dogs. Experiments or exercises have been done with other 375 00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:30.119 animals, such as ponies, but mainly with dogs, and guides or assistance 376 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.559 dogs. And so it is because, even with just the next Wednesday twenty 377 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:45.519 - four e, the day of awareness about the use of yaz woy assistance 378 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.359 dogs, and now it is that wow. Besides, by the way, 379 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.319 imagine you want to touch a dog as pretty as you want and are working. 380 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.240 Imagine it' s going to be like this. Please, it' 381 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.359 s not our turn. No, in fact I would not do that to 382 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:10.199 them, but precisely this date is important to raise awareness and also to advance 383 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.920 the legislative work. It is not, then, about the assistance dogs that 384 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.559 well, the ones that we identify the most, as you said justly are 385 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.559 the guide dogs. But in these, then, if we find another type 386 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:32.039 of assistance dogs that they finally have, they have the right and right to 387 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:39.960 the important things that we should know, when we find a user and his 388 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:44.639 guide dog, they are a binomial, because it is not that the dog, 389 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.519 as you say well, do not caress him so much. Yeah, 390 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.599 they actually eat better sometimes than then they believe what they do. No, 391 00:34:53.280 --> 00:35:00.920 they eat at their hours. The crib is passing. They have very specific 392 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:05.639 schedules. Their food is special because, obviously, if they wouldn' t 393 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:10.480 be doing the bathroom everywhere, then they don' t have to have a 394 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:19.519 special diet to make it easier for the user to collect the waste from the 395 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.760 dog that is not left on the street, that is, all users of 396 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:29.960 dogs and, well, they have the instruction to carry bags and collect the 397 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.719 waste from their assistance dog and be able to throw them in a suitable place. 398 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.079 And now that they' re in fashion, the dogs should take that 399 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.800 pretty one. Example of the users of pro assists many dads and moms that 400 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:51.239 is of the perrijos and help talking garbage precisely to contribute with those ornaments that 401 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:57.199 are not beneficial to the city. We also think that the dog is working, 402 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:05.760 so if we talk to him, we distract him and we can cause, 403 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:12.280 because an accident to his user, his user unclear, not because we 404 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.519 still take care of our dogs and if we carry in our pets, well, 405 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.079 an attack of a dog towards a guide dog can cause the trauma to 406 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.719 be great, that loses the training, among other things. Not then, 407 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.079 well, they are finally a valuable tool of work for many blind people. 408 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.400 The puppy' s working, so let' s not distract him. Maybe 409 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:40.719 people will notice for a long time when we say these things. They say 410 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.880 no how you think who does that is that, by common sense you don 411 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.239 ' t, but it does happen, that it happens more than what month 412 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:58.920 for a lot And sometimes, when they want to talk with so good to 413 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:05.800 offer help, they speak to the dog yes, yes this then, I 414 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.159 mean I want to think, that is to say anyone who listens to me 415 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:08.920 right now they will say no, that is who would do that nonsense. 416 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:15.239 Don' t ask dog users and whether it happens or not and they' 417 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:21.559 ll see that that nonsense is more frequent than we imagine, that it' 418 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.639 s less terious in reality. Not sure, they give instructions to the dog. 419 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:29.320 The dog is the instructions of his master. But I mean, suddenly 420 00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.639 imagine I can' t imagine telling the dog in the corner you turn around, 421 00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:37.559 you don' t walk, the blocks you turn to the right of 422 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.360 ferme and here you' re going to see the ox dad, but there 423 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.000 are people who do tell them right or right there isn' t and it 424 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:46.800 ' s not the dog. Finally, we must take into account that who, 425 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.679 because it is part of the binomial, but who is directing is a 426 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.519 person. And notice that there are very important issues here is that there are. 427 00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:59.920 I' d like to narrow it down because you touched three points very, 428 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.920 very, very, very important. The first one, really, and 429 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.840 people who have perrijos. You are responsible and responsible for your pastures, for 430 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:09.960 your pets, because in addition, if you fight as young as the dog, 431 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:13.920 you are going to bite a dog, even though they are big tints. 432 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.679 He' s not gonna turn around and fight the dog because he' 433 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.760 s not used to it. He was never taught to defend himself He' 434 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.239 s even a help dog. So, there really have been small dogs that 435 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.280 have done heavy damage and bit large assistance dogs hard and there' s no 436 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.599 father. Really and you will not turn the dog to bite on the one 437 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.480 hand, understand that, as you well mention Jazz, is a dog that 438 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.159 is working and that, besides losing the training, the person, the binomial 439 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:52.159 that goes next to the dog or is putting life. In other words, 440 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.280 imagine that your son, your daughter, your partner, your parents, a 441 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.679 loved one who is putting life on those four legs. So, if you 442 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:07.079 don' t take responsibility for your pets, you put at risk not only 443 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.199 the physical stability of the dog and guide, but also the life of a 444 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.840 human being. So that, if you leave him well conscious. And the 445 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:20.599 third point I think is just as important and valuable that you mentioned talking to 446 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:27.480 people. Really and the dogs have a very complicated training and as a statistic 447 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:35.599 notice that here we are from every ten dogs that come into a training process 448 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:42.039 to make dogs guide only between one and two get to graduate most or stay 449 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:50.039 on the road. Not then is it a job well I speak about the 450 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:57.280 institutions that today seek and, therefore, support in training so that a person 451 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.800 with visual impairment or a person with some particular disability or need I have a 452 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.519 assistance dog notice that we should do good. I invite you to do a 453 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:13.559 program where we talk about the different assistance dogs and the training they carry, 454 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.400 because it is very nice and, moreover, very emotional, even when the 455 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.079 users who go for their dogs tell you. Not how doggies are trained from 456 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.079 a young age, even before they are born, how the dad is chosen, 457 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.679 the mom, how the whole process is, how it is when the 458 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.920 user arrives and is assigned to them. It' s not very emotional, 459 00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.280 that is, I' ve been told about it and that' s how 460 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.079 it is. It' s very nice. But then, just to understand 461 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:49.039 all this work, what is done how useful it is for a person and 462 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.760 suddenly they tell us he hears, but it is not fair. Dogs suffer 463 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.679 how they get in the way of bringing a little animal like that. Imagine 464 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:05.840 not, for in truth they are very careful dogs, that is to say, 465 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.679 of course, let us have more and less responsibility. I mean, 466 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.280 we can' t say they all are. No, but they have regular 467 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:21.679 vet reviews. Yeah, he cleans his teeth, his fingernails. They' 468 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:28.000 re brushed every day, every day. Then we were already talking about food. 469 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.280 They don' t have periods to play. They have their bed, 470 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.280 their rest time. So, well, van takes care that, then, 471 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.639 they' re going to the bathroom at their own time. Not then are 472 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:46.480 very well- kept dogs and it' s really not like they' re 473 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:52.920 suffering. They are cared for, loved, loved and super laid and cared 474 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.840 for. No, then they' re not suffering. So it really dawned 475 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.920 on the next 24th of April, because in fact it is commemorated, because 476 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:07.400 every Wednesday cal last Wednesday of April, the day, then of the assistance 477 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:13.239 dogs. It is worth it, because sharing all this with whoever you want 478 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:19.079 to also approach assistance dog institutions, as you mention here, inviting a day 479 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.199 to guide dogs not here in Mexico City or some other training school that tells 480 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.599 us, because everything is done, all the problems in which they face not 481 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.039 only economic, but we talked, for example, from this selection that is 482 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:37.360 made there. Many are discarded by moving hips, which are detected from young, 483 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.320 because, obviously, the work is going to be much rougher, etcetera, 484 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.519 etcetera. Then by their clear character, of course, they are very 485 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.400 tenacious and also, the social part not long ago. We' re talking 486 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:54.800 about the legislative part. That too will be very good, because also to 487 00:42:55.480 --> 00:43:00.960 have, so to be able to have access. Enter restaurants, theatres, 488 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:07.920 so different places, not schools, libraries, etcetera, etcetera. Well, 489 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.960 yes, means of transport, not that we suddenly think good is that what 490 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:19.039 or not is logical to the public place, yes, but some means are 491 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:24.719 transported, deny access or service. Well, good for going with an assist 492 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:30.320 dog. So this legislative part also and how it is progressing in Mexico and 493 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.079 how it is in other countries, because it will be very good to talk, 494 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:40.039 of course, and above all, to understand that a assistance dog is 495 00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.639 a tool, not a pet. That' s where I' m at 496 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.800 the difference. Let' s make music. It' s because if this 497 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.599 area doesn' t say we follow each other, we keep talking and we 498 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.000 have to go to the barle. Funnel for a little while. Oh yes, 499 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.440 I love to move the boat boy. We' re going to put 500 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.920 a little surprise in the way you see We' re going to propose. 501 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.199 Let' s go get the surprise, see what they think also to see 502 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.960 what comes out on the roulette come then do not disconnect, listen and join 503 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:15.599 us to move to small boat in this areadisc, in rich juevesito where there 504 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:34.599 is capacitism goes dancing. Yeah, with as with with as with with as 505 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:45.519 I don' t have what I love everything and at my best I want 506 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.000 to gold me little by little. Yeah, listen to toy town, but 507 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:55.280 I know tomorrow was a different nice one, another vibe, another vibe. 508 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.800 Hey, I' m at Manuel' s 20, but I' m 509 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:06.079 on top of you. As I heal my heart today I go out to 510 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:08.639 take advantage of the sun is fine, not feeling good, it' s 511 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.079 normal, it' s not a crime. She' s alive, I 512 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:19.079 need a blanket and as she heals my heart today I go out to take 513 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.280 advantage of jay sun is fine, not feeling good, it' s normal, 514 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.400 it' s not a crime And tomorrow will not be more beautiful health, 515 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:30.039 because I have my parents well my little sisters. I' m not 516 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:35.719 a hundred today, too, but I' m soon taken off with a 517 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.719 beer and a good musicita. The visitation corduroys go bad, although being bad 518 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.840 is bad. It' s all good that I don' t lack my 519 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.079 health, neither for me nor for my chronicle. I haven' t seen 520 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:52.480 the instruments. That' s what I' ve got I' m going, 521 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:53.599 but I didn' t forget where I came from. I know what 522 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:59.079 I am and what I will do for that reason that faith has me, 523 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.360 you don' t need me and you just take time to gag me. 524 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:15.719 I' m healthy with your company. That fasqueme in another. I can 525 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.239 ' t find her. No. That' s why I want from your 526 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.800 pa that happen to me to goose. Today I go by sea to take 527 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:29.280 advantage I am already, okay, not feeling good, it' s normal, 528 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.239 it' s not crime. It' s alive on a blanket I 529 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:38.039 need it while I heal my heart today It' s something to take advantage 530 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:45.079 of Jay sun It' s okay It' s not a crime. Guros, 531 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.559 we' re back and how this did make them feel like dancing to 532 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:15.480 us. Of course I do. Surprise with carl g that we love in 533 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.239 this area discar and good, because it is all one of things that we 534 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:28.679 love where not necessarily valter and I agree, that it is beautiful? What 535 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.559 ' s nice? Don' t you agree? Sure? Of course, 536 00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:37.599 it finally goes like that, fueling the discussion and arguing, because it is 537 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.239 nice. This is how a lot of things are being built as well. 538 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:47.880 In past programs, we' ve been talking about some software for people with 539 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:53.679 visual disabilities. And well, today we want to talk to you about two 540 00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:59.039 screen readers that are, well, like one of the most used in the 541 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.440 world, which are me for Windows, which is a cost program of a 542 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:08.760 company that is called scientific freedon and in n ebda don no no visual textopaxes 543 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:15.000 that is a free software program and that good, because it is, of 544 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.239 course, being free software, it is free and free access for the Community 545 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:24.400 can be modified and the Community itself is making and contributing as complements to make 546 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:37.639 it richer for everyone. Now tell me their acronym doesn' t threaten and 547 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.960 so many starting out there isn' t true to see. I agree, 548 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.599 with you, that it is a terrible thing to have competition, especially because 549 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.760 we have two things in mind. Ninety percent of blind and blind users of 550 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:57.679 screen readers. We use Windows, two, ten uses Mac and it' 551 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:02.519 s very nice. But in Windows we have two alternatives, mainly Just for 552 00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:08.000 Windows and nbada in NBA, as well mentioned. And here I say with 553 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:14.559 what you' re saying, because I differ a little, because the software 554 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.199 is free. But at the end of the day, piracy ends up being 555 00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.800 used, as piracy gets used in me, especially in developing countries. Then 556 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.639 I get my attention and it is made like an irony, a little sarcasm 557 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.960 to say that your problem is free, but for you to occupy it comfortably, 558 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:38.000 because you also occupy piracy in complements, mainly that good that exists and 559 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.199 besides that good that already comes a third option. We already told you about 560 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.000 Narrader for Windows, which is apart from the operating theme. But in addition, 561 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:53.000 I believe that NBADA has helped to get to where the jos flat. 562 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:58.239 There are things that remain mute, that is, blind one and mute the 563 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.039 other, for no more, we do not understand each other, and then 564 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.719 it can be a very good complement to them. But in particular the first 565 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.679 argument I think leaves me much to be desired in that regard. However, 566 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.840 I also agree that they outside the United States, in countries that also have 567 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:22.119 agreements on this economics with other countries. It' s way too much, 568 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.280 I mean, it' s a mother- mind how expensive it might be 569 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.400 that it leads you to that if you go to an average person, because 570 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:30.119 it' s going to lead you to use piracy. And that' s 571 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.480 a reality that I think I aníspero and obviously, because scientific fraure doesn' 572 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:39.880 t care much what we say because they don' t change their policies and 573 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.480 that, finally, I mean in nbada to see the philosophy of NVD is 574 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.400 that the user can have his computer enabled since he learns it, not and 575 00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:55.440 that among all of us we are building the use of piracy that you mentioned 576 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.480 unlike jos that, as it is in countries where there is no money, 577 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:06.079 because if you want software, you hack it, or you hack it unless 578 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.039 there are like other agreements, like in Colombia, that have license country. 579 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:12.760 But well, outside of it, it' s actually that the vast majority 580 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.119 of users because they end up doing that. Not stealing the software from NBD 581 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.400 is free, you don' t have to steal it. And the use 582 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:25.559 of software from other non- legal software, not this which is cost- 583 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.559 effective and which is that they crack is not elective. You can use 100 584 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:39.000 % NBDA without using a single cracked pirate software. No, in fact, 585 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.320 in the official communities of NBDA, which are aid groups of Whatsapp, which 586 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.440 is therefore a shop of complements for NBADA, which are pages, because in 587 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:55.000 fact, part of the rules is that users cannot encourage the use of piracy 588 00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:04.119 or pass it on, not in voices or anything. So, just the 589 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.800 development of add- ons, because it allows you to use it is a 590 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:12.000 very light program that you can carry on any USB and use in any Internet 591 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.039 cafe. You don' t like the resources of the computer that uses ust 592 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:20.280 for Windows, that goes into the kitchen. No, and this, I 593 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.039 repeat, is selective. I can' t tell you myself and I know 594 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:30.039 a lot of people and I' m sure many of the people who build 595 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.559 and that day by day, because they work to make it accessible. We 596 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:42.599 don' t use pirate software for our screen reader, because we use add 597 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.519 - ons. I don' t even have plugins or I don' t 598 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:50.239 have many installed plugins. Or, in the Community and the official store has 599 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:57.519 no number of applications that design the same partners and that also officially climb with 600 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:02.239 the developers. And well, the program is free of charge. You can 601 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.760 donate if you wish, but you don' t have to make those failures 602 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:14.079 clear and considering that in b you receive government resources, also if you have 603 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:19.480 a very strong sponsor. There are two things. The truth is that you 604 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.519 mention it can be free, of course, but at the end of the 605 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:27.440 day, if we are honest, more than ninety percent of people, in 606 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:30.960 fact, I will know two of them, that is, not nbada, 607 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:38.320 that they do not use illegal or cracked accessories, because at the end of 608 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:44.239 the day, because it is not just usability the most comfortable that the defense 609 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.800 with jos that already comes to you absolutely with everything, and that, besides 610 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.800 there are things like to make time mentioned where in everda is an extraordinarily positive 611 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.960 complement and moreover, I recognize its lightness that you can take it on a 612 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.599 USB, unlike them because you install it or install it not. However, 613 00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.639 for example, there are things, especially in matters of office automation, in 614 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:09.119 topics already a little more dependent on your activities that you can not not to 615 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:14.079 an nbada is far from being able to go as far as it reaches. 616 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.480 I mean, for example, all the accessibility compatibility you have with Office, 617 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.840 which we like or do not like today, despite the strong power Google has, 618 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:27.440 because Office is still him. We put in Latin America the program or 619 00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.440 suite of office automations, especially in companies, for security issues, etcetera. 620 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:38.440 Then I think we can and can add both. And here I think we 621 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:44.840 can agree. Maybe if you want to use me if you have to buy 622 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:50.280 it, you can not use it and you can support a lot of NVDA. 623 00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.000 Because besides, as you well do not mention, the development that is 624 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.280 being made is very good. There are people who really dedicate themselves to programming 625 00:54:55.320 --> 00:55:01.039 and making scripts for good nbada, especially for topics that are like more in 626 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:07.159 these new reviews, yes, and in this new wave as accessibility, for 627 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:14.719 example, in audio and software topics, audio themes, etcetera. I think 628 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.800 you' re disticulous like those other things where they' re very attacks. 629 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.880 But with topics or programs already much more official, more married or more standardized, 630 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:29.760 then I think there is the best. Your sky op is for everyone 631 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.519 and everyone. And today, well, now everyone can try both, whether 632 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:42.960 official or unofficial with or without supplements. The important thing. I think if 633 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:47.239 you always have the money for whatever you leave so you can avoid perdiatry, 634 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:52.360 think that you too can program and you wouldn' t want your work and 635 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:58.840 your effort to be sold in tepito and that you didn' t make three 636 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:00.280 pesos. No, then that' s right, you have to be aware. 637 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.559 However, good because that helps you to settle in with it and you 638 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.639 have nothing, because I don' t even feel it and I speak for 639 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.960 both, therefore for the snow complements as for God. At the end of 640 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.079 the day, I' ll take care of that, not NBD. That 641 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:20.519 ' s good, of course because and good because inviting them to that is 642 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.360 not accurate. Or that, as far as possible, the work of programmers 643 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.079 is recognized. I mean, I' m not going to say that don 644 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:32.599 ' t each is going to touch update, but well if I donate with 645 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.199 any frequency of what I can donate, of course, and that and that 646 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:38.000 is good. Now look at yourself, you said, no, because maybe 647 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:43.800 one and complement the other. I' ll tell you something. Since March 648 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:49.519 of two thousand and ten I stopped on March ten of two thousand and ten 649 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.719 I stopped using jos and since that day, for here I use in nbada 650 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.920 and I have not used again and in all these years. So, well, 651 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:00.599 you can, you don' t need Netas to supplement. It' 652 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.800 s not clear, that you can be with the only tea, but that 653 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.679 depends. I' ll tell you one thing and here I' ll leave 654 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.559 it to you not to put them on. But that consciousness all that time. 655 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:15.480 You' ve never used a complement and pirate spell decaled anything. I 656 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.800 think that' s the way it' s going. I can tell you 657 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:24.480 from him I have not used them in no time as an original or primary 658 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:29.519 reader, but I have occupied them. Fortunately, I' ve had a 659 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.639 chance since two thousand and eighteen to stop cracking it. And so it' 660 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.599 s exactly the same thing and for me, in particular, that I run 661 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:43.440 different programs, both editing and defamatory. The YUS has been my salvation without 662 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.119 minimizing the work that comes to me in evelity. When I got to occupy 663 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.760 him, he didn' t leave me lying down either. Then I think 664 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:53.039 it' s worth a lot And well, to close it. I think 665 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:58.519 the fundraiser is using that you want. That' s why I said if 666 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:00.199 you want to try piracy, then try it at your own risk. That 667 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.960 is also important, but the most important thing is that you occupy the technology, 668 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:12.719 that you promote the technology, but others, that also contribute from tuarista, 669 00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.119 not respecting the work of others. We' re leaving jazz, but 670 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:23.719 before parish announcements. Yes, of course, let them forget that next week 671 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:30.000 we have Wednesday, Thursday and Friday the second meeting of knowledge and feeling to 672 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:36.400 think is about disability in Latin America, which will be held at the Ibero 673 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:44.000 - American University, this meeting that is organized in a joint effort between the 674 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:49.880 critical interdisciplinary seminar of the UACM, the Claxo and the Ibero. So, 675 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:57.079 well, there we will be in these forces, in this union of different 676 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.280 educational institutions and well, in a face- to- face way in the 677 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.400 Iberian can also be followed through social networks. But, well, it' 678 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.480 s gonna be really good. I believe that the work, the exchange that 679 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.280 can be done personally, we cannot replace it online. No, now, 680 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.800 if it can' t be good, we see it online, because we 681 00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:16.840 ' re really waiting for them it' s going to be super interesting. 682 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:23.480 We started at nine in the morning with many tables, conferences, panels, 683 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:30.599 exhibitions, workshops. Then, over there we see ourselves on the 24th, 684 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:36.280 25th and 26th of April. Thank you very much, because you are already 685 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.519 here to give it to us and give us a small turn to those who 686 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:44.360 can and let us know that what is being done and that is happening on 687 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:45.400 disability issues thank you very much, Jasmin. My name is Baltier Mejía. 688 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.719 We' ll hear each other next week. See you later we' re 689 00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:57.519 in this disca area where capacitism comes out dancing. It is up to us 690 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.679 to stop for now, but we will continue step by step in favour of 691 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.480 inclusion. Come back soon that there is no cadenero in the disca area