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Really true. Welcome back to truth
seekers from around the world. It is

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time for another edition of the Flat
Earth Files. We have a very special

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guest tonight. He is one of
the legendary pioneers of the modern flat Earth

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movement. His video series Flat Earth
Clues from twenty fifteen went viral and has

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played a significant role in many people's
journey to the truth. Oh. By

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the way, that video series has
millions of views and continues to grow every

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single day. And you can catch
Mark at flatober Fest twenty twenty three on

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October twenty feet and twenty second at
Sam'stown Hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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Conference hours are noon to ten pm
both days. Ladies and gentlemen, the

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one and only Mark, Sergeant Mark. Good evening. How are you,

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sir, Hey, I'm good,
Thank you very much. And by the

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way, I am opening the conference
on the first day, which means no

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one's gonna remember anything that I do. Because the flatter the community likes to

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drink and partake of all sorts of
things, and what they don't realize and

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we're trying to tell people now,
and I'll mention on this show is like,

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look, drink responsibly because as you
know, Vegas is different from other

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places. The bars don't close,
so beforehand, you know, you know,

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it's like last call, and then
eventually you'd go home. Well,

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you want to order six beers at
three in the morning, you can do

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that. I highly encourage you not
to do that. Yeah, And the

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other thing I want to mention was, yeah, the Clues are still getting

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millions hits however the channel, but
most of those hits are not even coming

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from my channel. One of the
reasons it went viral is because I made

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the Clues Creative Commons license, you
know, I made it free to everybody,

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and three three just average run of
the mill channels that look for the

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Creative Commons licenses, you know,
because if you say it's like, oh

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great, I can put it on, I can get the nickels on my

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channel. And they named it.
They didn't put Flight Earth in the title.

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One of them is called They're Hiding
God or the Greatest Lie Ever.

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One is called They're Hiding God with
the Biggest Lie Ever with somebody stole from

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somebody else that was stealing, and
somebody called it Under the Dome full documentary.

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Each one of them have millions of
hits. And I don't know any

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of these people at all, and
I didn't know until probably five months later

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after they first put their channel out
because people saying, oh, I loved

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your two hour movie. I was
like, what what to hour movie?

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You know? Because I only made
like these little ten minute videos and someone

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you know, of course, the
Internet just mashed them all together released them

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as a thing. It's like,
hey, great, you made thousands of

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dollars of it. I'm happy for
you. So and but I get it

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got the word out, so I'm
not gonna complain. Yeah, And I

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think that's the one cool thing about
the truth community. Sometimes plagiarism is a

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pat on the back, as they
say, right, it's what I forget

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the phrase, So imitation is the
Yeah, imitation is the most sincere form

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of flattery. And you're absolutely right. It happens to us all the time.

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I like, it's part of my
speech which I'm doing in the in

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Vegas. The speech is going to
be called flat earth is the real pandemic.

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And I try to tell people as
I look the top channels and flat

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earth barely crack six figures, right, And those are the these guys have

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been around like me. You know, I crack barely crack six figures.

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I've been doing this for eight years, and yet every major channel on YouTube,

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if you can think of them,
I don't care who they are unless

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they're movie reviewers. They've done a
flat Earth video and and and with the

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best and it gets millions of hits, millions of millions of hits. I

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mean the number one I think was
Shane Dawson with like forty forty million hits,

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which is amazing. And what was
amazing is all these channels did flatter

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videos. Nobody talked to us.
So these guys are getting huge amounts of

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hits of our content and doing all
this stuff, and it's you know,

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and once one of them did it, they all did it, and yet

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nobody subscribes toward channel. We are
the and I don't know if you're old

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enough to remember, we would be
the Spice Girls of the conspiracy world.

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Yeah, you're probably going, why
what are you talking about? I go,

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Spice Girls is the was the number
one female pop band in the world.

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I'm fifty four, without doubt with
them. Oh you you do not

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look it well, thank you very
much. Seriously, you look a lot

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younger than me and I'm fifty five. So, uh, it's number one

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female pop band in the in the
world. I have yet to meet anyone

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that owns the album, so what
happened? Point a lot of people bought

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it. None he's going to admit
to it, that's yeah, come on,

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I mean they made two two blockbuster
movies. They were so huge,

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right, and like, yeah,
that's that's what we are. Lots of

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people are into flat Earth. Very
few people will admit it in public.

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Ninety percent of our our membership is
still in the closet, which I love

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that I hate simultaneously the we're that
secret army that's out there. Yeah.

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So just a little backstory about myself. I've had a podcast called The Fact

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Hunner for four years and probably within
the first four or five months into the

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podcast, David Weiss sent me an
email and I'm like, what kind of

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nutcases emailed me about the flat Earth? I deleted it, but the curiosity

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got the best of me. I
pulled him back. I contacted him and

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I brought him on, and actually
I think he had a video from Triple

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seven. So by the time I
brought him on, I was wide awake

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to flat Earth and It changed my
life. And I had David Weiss on

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the podcast, and I was like
so excited because I'm sharing this new found

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information to my audience. Guys,
guess what this Heliocentian thing is a lie?

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And I wake up the next morning
and check my email and I'm like,

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you're a moron. I'm never listening
to your podcast again. I had

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no clue how divisive Flat Earth was
in the truth community. Was that something

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that you knew going in? Yeah, well I did because I was one

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of the early people that got into
it. I was into it when nobody

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was into it. In fact,
David was lucky enough he got into it

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just as the documentary, the Netflix
documentary was wrapping up, so he didn't

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get to be part of it.
And I think secretly, behind the scenes,

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he's like, oh, thank god
kidding it there because everyone that was

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in on it just got nailed to
the wall. Yeah. However, had

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you had me on, I would
have talked to you out of it,

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because it's one of the things that
I tell people every holiday season. I

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say, Okay, here's what's gonna
happen. Everybody. It's Thanks Gavin's coming

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up, and you're gonna want to
go home. You're gonna want to sit

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down everyone at the table or your
carving turkey or whatever. You're gonna want

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to say, Hey, what's new
in your life, Bob, And you're

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gonna want to say, oh,
let me tell you what I'm into a

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flat Earth. Right, you've got
to understand your context. You've got to

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understand the room, which it looks. You might as well tell people you've

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changed your religion, your sexuality,
and you're a heroin addict simultaneously. Right.

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In fact, it would be easier
for them to understand because I've had

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horror stories come back. Because again
that one of the drawbacks of flat earth

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is once you once you flip,
once it's in your head, it's in

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there forever. However, simultaneously you've
forgot the journey that got you there.

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You know, it may have taken
you four weeks, it may have taken

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you five weeks. And then it's
kind of like a like a children's puzzle,

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and it's like, you think,
so simple, I should have known

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this in the beginning. You know
what, I can convince a family member

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over a coffee. It's like,
in fact, I'm gonna try to do

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that because it's in my head.
I see all the pieces into when you're

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talking to a family member, Yeah, they're gonna look at you like you've

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got a bug on your face.
Yeah, and they do. So.

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Yeah, I'm sorry you had to
go through that, because for me it

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wasn't that bad. Because what I
did was when I made the clues,

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I put the challenge out there to
anybody. I said, look the internet,

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hive mind, here's all my contact
information, which is such a great

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idea. Put all your contact information
online, docks yourself. It's a great

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idea. No, I don't recommend
that. I definitely, even women should

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never ever do that regardless. And
I said, okay, I can't prove

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the globe in a court of law
anymore. Tell me where I went wrong.

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Somebody come back at me and hit
me. You know, I just

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basically stuck my chin out there.
And the people that came at me weren't

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the trolls, not right away.
It was the subject matter experts, people

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in the military and structural engineers and
air traffic controllers and pilots and stuff like

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that, and then of course the
media, weird media stuff. I didn't

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know what the hell media was.
I never worked with a field producer before

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or anything like That's so when I'll
give you a Rob Skip a story,

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you may have heard this one or
maybe not, because you know, Rob

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was one of the first people to
interview me, and you know, because

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I ruined his life and I was
his excuse. So when he would bring

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when he would do the public public
presentations, I was his insurance policy.

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He would bring up one slide he
was. He would always say, I'm

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ninety eight percent sure has this all
goes south? It's this guy's fault over

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here, right, put a picture
up of my clothes. I was the

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fault guy. And so I remember
one of the producers from Coast to Coast

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contacted me almost immediately and said,
oh, hey, okay, you know,

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tell me what about flat earth blah
blah blah, and and they I

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go, oh, they go,
what's your name of your book? Can

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I go, I don't have a
book right, this is twenty fifteen.

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And they go, okay, what's
the name of your DVD? And I

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go, I DVD don't don't have
one of those either, and and and

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she and she's like you could hear
getting frustrated on the other end. She

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said, okay, what's name of
your freaking website? And I go,

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look, I've been doing this for
maybe five weeks, right, And and

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she's gone, why am I talking
to you? How can you called me

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go out of the blue only only
because my docs myself. So we worked

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it out and she goes, okay, give me the Nickel tour. She

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goes, go I go, okay, here's flatter song and dance blah blah,

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and she goes, all right,
you're on right, And then I

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remember I knew there was something going
on because Rob asked me shortly after I

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got on TFR. He uh,
because TFR after me a show, like

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after the second interview I did with
Rob. They just called me up and

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they said I would like to be
on TFR. Go okay, and Rob

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asked me, he goes, He
goes, how many times you have to

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solicit to coast to coast before they
let you on? And I go,

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solicit? What are you talking about? He goes, Well, he goes,

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I've been trying to submit to them
for like two or three years.

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I can't. I can't get on
the freaking shell. And I go,

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uh, yeah, he do anything, Which is why again, if I

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ever lived long enough to write an
autobiography. And I'm still and my options

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on that one. It's gonna be
called unsolicited because for whatever reason, I

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never had to pick up a phone. It just it just That's how I

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knew something was going on, because
it just happened. People were just calling

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you right and left. It's like, hey, how would you like to

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do this? Hey, how would
you like to publish a book? Hey?

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You know? And then the Netflix
thing went in a completely never and

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even when we were shooting Netflix for
the thing for seven months, but none

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of the producers had any faith in
it at all, to the point where

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it's like, well, we're never
gonna get film festivals and we're definitely not

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gonna be able to sell it right
as and like every film festival they applied

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to, they got in instantly to
the point where they were sending me out

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to film festivals, which is a
terrible idea. They actually had me on

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people webcaving me, live streaming me
live to watch me to make sure I

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can say the wrong thing and go
completely off on the weeds. They want

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to know exactly what I was saying. And then when and then all of

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a sudden, you know, Amazon
bought it immediately, and iTunes and then

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finally Netflix. And yet kind of
like you when Netflix bought my email low

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doubled in a weekend and I was
already getting a lot of emails and then

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all of a sudden, you know, my email was just flooded with stuff

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and I'm writing people. It's like
something happened I don't know about. It's

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like, dude, that Netflix picked
up the movie. It's like, oh

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God, anyway, Sorry, I
ramble, so please put me out of

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the weeds from time to time.
That's awesome. Hey. One thing that

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resonates with a lot of people in
the big part of our podcast is we

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asked our guests to explain your journey
to the truth, like it, were

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you into conspiracies beforehand? What was
your life coming up? And what were

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your influences? Yeah, and then
of course the step how did you come

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upon flat Earth? Okay, so
my life was fairly I don't want to

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steal this speech from Austin Powers,
you know, you know, lose lessons

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summers in Rangoon where I was beaten
with reads when I was tied up in

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a burlap sack. No, I
grew up in uh the Seattle on a

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rural island in the middle of nowhere. I didn't know anything about. It's

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very naive, very sheltered. Didn't
even know there was more than one religion

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until the laughter. I left and
kicked out of university in my junior year

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for manufacturing explosives on campus. It's
absolutely true, which was basically, look,

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I was running a legal fireworks company
on on campus and I got hit

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for it by the it's it's it's
a slap in the rest. The first

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time you get hit. You don't
want to get hit twice. It's basically

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a fireworks charge because I legal fireworks
have only been illegal since really the sixties.

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And then during my community service because
I knew a lot of teachers because

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I grow up and basically a teacher's
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was teaching kids computers early computers back
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and then entered a video game World
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out in Tokyo called Little Wing.
Won the tournament. It was a year

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long tournament. I'm not going to
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takes a little while, but I
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got the scores, but I bent
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tournament six months before it was even
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scores because again we'll talk after and
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review one of their next games.
I didn't like it very much at all,

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and I wrote this scathing review.
Who knew that I that I could

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do I could review video games,
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he's absolutely right, because we gotta
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you should hire this guy. And
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out. They were out in Boulder, Colorado. So I went out and

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interviewed for the job and they hired
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Boulder, Colorado on my own and
did my own thing out there for twenty

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years to where I was playing video
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ringer for the company, so I
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and make the games look better than
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a game gamer ringer, but this
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people to ever get hired to play
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wasn't your you know, the tournament
kids that you have now, this was

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a desk job, right. I
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you know, if you can call
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I taught proprietary software in Boulder,
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I never got married, had kids,

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back when you could finish the internet, right, the internet was you

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know, we had dial up and
there're only so many sites that were out

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there. Yeah, right, and
so and if you don't have you get

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married or have kids, you have
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So I went down just about every
rabbit hole you think of. I

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have an opinion on just about every
conspiracy there was, and I went through

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and I only did I finish the
Internet, finished all the conspiracies by the

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time I was I don't know,
forty five, and to where I was

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starting looking to stuff that I never
would have looked into before, you know,

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you know, like you know,
are is the Royal family, lizard

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people, you know it did?
Did Elvis have Bigfoot's baby and crap like

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that, you know, the stuff
that I haven't opened. Serious, I

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haven't opined on every conspiracy you could
think of, but I would not look

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at flat earth. Flat earth was
just stupid, Yeah, because everyone it's

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the only thing we debunked to children, which should be a flag in itself.

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It's like, why is it the
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hey, kids, I know you're
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but you used to be flat Now
it's a globe. Globe is gonna

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sit in the corner of your classroom
forever, right right below the American flag

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usually and again a wonderful reinforcement.
The CIA pays top dollar for that sort

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of conditioning. And that's so I
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at it. And then finally,
in summer of twenty fourteen, I gave

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up. I was like, all
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I might as well freaking look at
it, right so so, but but

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I was on and the only reason
I even looked at it at all was

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I was looking at hollow earth theory
with Admiral Bird and he came up and

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Admiral Bird's like, oh, hollow
Earth three. I like the whole Journey

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at the Center of the Earth thing
I already watched. No, I mean

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everybody's watched Journey to the Center of
the Earth movies has been those things have

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been around forever. And that led
me to Antarctica. And when as I

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was looking more, I kept seeing
this whole flatter thirty flatter three and there

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were not a lot of people talking
about it. And then and I was

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going, well, I can knock
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and ever again everybody starts out in
the negative. Everybody hates flatterer. David

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Weiss would ban people. He probably
told you that one. But you would

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ban people from chat if they even
brought it up. It's like lifelong band

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and gone, you bring up flatter. Alex Jones did this day. You

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know, doesn't want people to talk
about flat Earth. I mean he's just

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dragged, kicking and screaming into some
of the interviews we did with him.

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So finally, after nine months of
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the days turned into weeks, which
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twenty fifteen, again I had that
Jerry McGuire moment. People think, oh,

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it's just a movie. It's not
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I woke up in the middle of
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my head. I was wrestling with
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you know, if I could go
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maybe I can get my answers if
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a series of videos, well we'll
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gonna put it out there to the
internet hive mind and say, hey,

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Internet hive mind, tell me where
I'm wrong. And so I got up

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at literally three o'clock in the morning, and it was weird. And some

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people call it and what prophetic or
touched or whatever. But I could hear

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all the dialogue in my head,
in my own voice, you know,

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the whole the whole thing, paragraphs, just and I've never had such clear

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writing before. Where I sat down
type and then the whole Forrest Gump thing

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kicked in its Well, I'm done
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gaming mic, because that's all I
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like, wow, I recorded him
as let some images to it. It

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took me all day. I didn't
know anything about video editing. If you

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guys watched the original you can probably
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I mean, it's amazing, you
know. It took me all day to

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make a freaking ten minute video,
and that happened every day for a week.

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I made the first seven clues in
eight days, and it was cathartic,

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meaning I could go to sleep,
but I wake up, you know,

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pretty early five six am, and
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I've got another idea, and I
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put it out there. And by
the time it was done, I had

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a couple hours worth of videos called
the Flat Earth Clues, and as I

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was releasing them, things started to
happen. People again, people you know

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who you know, Well, you
may or may not remember who this guy

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is. You know, the first
guy who contacted me was that Matt Boyland,

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the guy from the really Loud Canadian
artist from the Netflix documentary You can't.

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A lot of people don't noise because
he didn't make a lot of content,

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but he was this really loud,
really eccentric guy who tried his luck

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with acting. He was a comedian. He was an actor out of Los

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Angeles, but he's from Montreal,
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Boiland boiling. And he contacted me
after like clue two. Talk about good

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instincts and he's like, yeah,
you know, I like what you're doing,

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blah blah blah, and he had
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head was all over the place,
so it never really happened. But yeah,

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he was literally the first guy that
contacted me. And then they just

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kind of started snowbawling. So there
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how I How I got here?
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There we are three books, documentary, I don't know how many conferences,

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I don't know how many meetups and
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mean this was one of the events. I mean, this is one of

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the biggest events that changed your life. Oh yeah, without without question.

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That's saying something coming from where I
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I was, you know, from
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campus to becoming a professional video game
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I mean this this because this,
because this affected other people. No

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one cares about wont a video game
tournament, right, trophy, show trophy

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and all sorts of people. No
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interesting story, good at parties,
but that's about it. But if you

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go out and say, hey,
you know what flat earth? If you

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say that seriously, like and like
not ironically to people, you'd be amazed

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the ripples it creates. I mean, the pullarizing two words I've ever seen

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in my life. To the point
again, where were you and I were

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talking to the show every It was
so polarizing that the rumors got around the

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social media world and everybody. It's
like, dude, you want to get

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a bunch of quick hits and amazing
amount of comments, you know, polarizing

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comments, ten times the comments you
would normally get due to a freaking flat

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earth video, don't take a stand, or if you're gonna take a stand,

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go against it and watch what happens. And that word spread around to

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where I mean getting you name it. I mean I knew when Beauty Pie

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did two of them that I was
in trouble, or the fact that Logan

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Paul and I was one of the
only guys even knew who he was at

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the time, showed it, you
know, tried to punk one of our

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conferences, and then the very next
confidence in Dallas, we were punked by

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Jimmy Kimmel and it's like, okay, now we're we're going into territory.

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We were, we were going flying
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So but again it was that's that's
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I do love it, but yes, it has changed my life forever.

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But at the same time, all
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a lot of people didn't. And
I get criticized a lot at least,

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you know, when he came on, it's like, aren't you an agent?

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Do you work for the government?
Which people have accused me up for

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so often, and I try to
remind them. I go, you know

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why I get the interviews, you
know why people get a hold of me

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because I put my name in my
phone number out there. It's not hard.

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Now again, women can't do it
because men are idiots. But it's

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amazing how many guys again still use
no offense to you or any people you

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know, still use complete aliasis and
don't put it. You want people to

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get a hold of you. The
media would I try to explain, is

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media is lazy. Not necessarily you, but I mean mainstream. If mainstream

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was like, hey, we needed
to do a story on a flat earther,

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if that whatever, intern or low
level producer, if they can't,

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they're all they're gonna do is do
a quick search. If they can't find

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anybody in the first ten minutes,
you know, they're going for the top

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of the list, whatever's there.
They'll literally type in flat Earth interview and

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see what shows up, which is
again, I'm happy that Dave is doing

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as many as he does. He's
of course killing it. My gosh,

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he's doing like twenty week Yeah,
yeah, he's why. I mean,

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I only think he even knows how
many he's done. I definitely know he's

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into four figures, you know,
over a thousand interviews. But the difference

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was, again, I wouldn't trade
places with them when when it comes to

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this is that he would contact people, or he would have people contact people,

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you know, right, contact just
about every podcast you could think of.

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The problem with that is, you
know, so when when people contact

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me, they want to talk to
me they're generally curious, and they don't

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want to They don't want to attack
me most of the time. I'll see

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how tomorrow's goes, we'll say,
but most of them they don't want to

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attack me because they again, they're
they're worried. It's like, oh crap,

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we attack him. Who else are
we gonna get when David goes.

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When David exlicits people, you run
into occasionally podcasts that will they'll be in

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a in one of those moods.
You can't still be in the wrong mood,

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right. It's like, hey,
hey, Frank, you want to

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talk to some flat earth. They
say, oh, yeah, I want

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to talk to some flatter I'm gonna
give him a piece of my mind.

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And he they do. They come
after him and he has developed a very

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very thick skin, to the point
where his interviews style has has changed.

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He has become what I call like
a gypsy science teacher. What he does,

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it's it's really clever in a way. But I know, I know

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it wasn't planned. It just it
was just a survival instinct, which was

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he figured out that the best,
you know, the best defense is a

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good offense. So he will remind
people very quickly on how much they don't

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know about science, right, And
it's a it's a great line to where

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I'm stealing some of that stuff even
now, which is you know, I'll

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you know, I'll go to I
won't do it as abrasive as he does.

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It's like, you know, do
you know how fast the Earth is

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you know, you know, spinning, and how fast is going around the

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Sun, how fast the Solar system
is flying sideways? You know how fast

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that you know the galaxy is going
through the universe. And and the point

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he gets to, you know,
eventually it's you know, after her reminds

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me, it's like, hey,
you don't know all of these things,

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right, so why are you defending
it blindly defending heliocentrism blend, Why why

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are you defending a model that you
don't know right? You are making a

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massive assumptions just based on you know, all you're saying is the model,

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right, And it's like, well, you can't just say the model.

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You can't just say science, and
you definitely can't just say gravity. So

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but but again, that's what I
love is he puts them on their heels

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enough to where, yeah, he's
still gonna get pushed back, but but

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they will. That kind of is
humbling in a way because it's like,

408
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.960
oh, crap, I didn't know
all these things. I'm really surprised that

409
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:26.279
more people. Again, media is
lazy that they don't listen to at least

410
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.599
one or two. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they're ready for him memorize some

411
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:36.200
of the factoids that we had to
memorize to where if you because you knowing

412
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:41.000
that at least you can come back
and but while sorry, let me let

413
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.920
me back up just a second.
If you, as you're knowing these things,

414
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.640
as you're relearning all these little science
factoids, you all of a sudden

415
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.799
realize, hey, wait a minute, as you're doing your own math yourself,

416
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.400
you know you're or you're working out
the system, You're like, hey,

417
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.400
that doesn't make sense. How how
is this happening? If if again,

418
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:03.880
we make massive assumptions, let me
end with this the Truman Show line

419
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.880
is so very very true, which
is, we believe the world that is

420
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:11.799
presented to us. If somebody in
a higher authority that you think is smarter

421
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.519
than you, which you should never
make that assumption immediately, if if they

422
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.039
say, oh, yeah, the
world is something we're not talking to me

423
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.240
about a mechanic telling you it's like
there's something wrong or your radiator. Right,

424
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:27.880
you probably believe he's been working on
radiators a long time. But do

425
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.759
you have you have somebody that says, oh, hey, by the way,

426
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.960
the sun is ninety three million miles
away, and it's and it's so

427
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.039
many thousands of miles. Why it's
it's this massive thing even though they've never

428
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.799
been there, we've never had probe
sent there or anything. And you know,

429
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.000
they're basing it off of books which
are based off of other books,

430
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:49.519
the Tesla line. You know,
the flaw with science is everything is stacked

431
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.319
on top of each other, and
everybody that goes one more rung up.

432
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.920
They never checked the base. They
never checked the core foundation that it was

433
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.400
based off of. He goes.
By the time you get up like five

434
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.480
or six, it's like it's meaningless
because nobody checks anything below it. They

435
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.400
just make the assumptions like, well, the science that I am working that

436
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.480
I am climbing on top of,
that's got to be right. Okay,

437
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.799
really it's sure about that. It's
like just lazy anyway, Sorry, No,

438
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.519
that's that's great. I want to
ask you a question. I have

439
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:25.039
noticed just within the last three or
four years that the term flat earth has

440
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.680
not been quite as divisive within the
truth community, and I was shocked to

441
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.640
see that when I started this podcast, the amount of numbers that we were

442
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:37.960
getting and the responses. So do
you think I've said for a long time,

443
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.240
I do think that they And I'll
ask you that question later who was

444
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.240
they? But do you think they
overplayed their hand with the COVID narrative to

445
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.240
the point where they accidentally woke a
lot of people up? Because I have

446
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.319
seen I get emails all the time, and one of the common emails I

447
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:59.279
get mark is COVID woke me up. I saw the lies that they continuously

448
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.279
lied. They tried to brought me
with the cheeseburger to take a vaccine and

449
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.079
you know, the joint for jabs, and just the three years of ridiculousness

450
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.039
to where I think people started to
understand that maybe they are lying to us.

451
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.880
Do you see the connection between the
lives of COVID and people waking up?

452
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:21.200
Yes, yes, they do the
COVID thing unfortunately. And I don't

453
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.000
want to get you into too much
trouble. Whatever you want, as simple

454
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.440
as I can here. Well,
no, I mean because if this,

455
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.759
if the audio goes up on YouTube, I don't want to flip the sensors.

456
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.720
So I'll say shots and I won't
use the word, you know,

457
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:38.640
I'll just stay vax or vax or
whatever it is. It won't people up.

458
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.200
From our standpoint, it stunted us
in one sense because we couldn't do

459
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:48.400
conferences anymore, because we couldn't find
venues that would that would go without a

460
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.240
mass for the most part, we
couldn't do a national conference. We definitely

461
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:56.680
couldn't do anything international. Twenty nineteen, for example, we were freaking golden

462
00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.440
twenty nineteen. We could do no
raw and I did conferences in seven different

463
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.559
countries and you know, did an
endorsement. I did a mobile commercial in

464
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.000
freaking Australia. Really it was.
It was awesome. Oh yeah, we

465
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.279
were doing I mean there, let
me let me tell you how quickly,

466
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:18.079
how harshly things can get closed down. I had gone to London to do

467
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:25.400
a conference right in the UK,
and then came back. A producer from

468
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.960
a morning television show called me and
said, hey, we need you to

469
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.839
fly back out to London working at
you do a show. It's like really

470
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.920
from the Seattle he just got back. It's like, oh wait, wait,

471
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.519
we'll pay for It'll be fine.
So I, you know, bounce

472
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.119
off of Iceland and go over there
again and then come back. And as

473
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.759
I'm back and somebody else calls me
up and they say, hey, we'd

474
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.079
like you to do a McDonald's commercial
in London. I go, really,

475
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.079
I go, how's that going to
work? And they go, oh,

476
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.960
because we had pancake Day here and
you know, it's routed, it's flat.

477
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.400
It'd be awesome. We'll work the
graphics and it'll be solid. And

478
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.759
it's like, oh, this is
great. I mean, seriously, it

479
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.799
was gonna be if you thought that
I caught crap before. If I would

480
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:12.559
have actually done McDonald's commercial, people
would have crucified. It's yeah, and

481
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.240
uh no, I've told people.
I go, look, you, if

482
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.759
you tie me to a chair and
throw pies at me, right and I

483
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.960
get to say flat earth on camera, I don't care what you do as

484
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.200
long as it's still flat earth based. In fact, in fact, the

485
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.400
mobile commercial, they even tried to
do a take with me where I was

486
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.079
renouncing flatter earth and I said,
sorry, I can't even do it as

487
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.839
an outake, I can't not do
it. So but when I got back,

488
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.799
right, you know, and I
knew because as I was flying back,

489
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.960
as I was getting on the plane
back from the the London thing from

490
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.559
the Morning Show, there was a
lady with a clipboard walked up to me.

491
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.000
Again talk about your foreshadowing movie moment
where she looks, she goes,

492
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:52.680
She goes, so have you been
to China in the last two weeks?

493
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.799
I go, I go, I
go. You know, I didn't know

494
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.839
anything. He's like, no,
why and she goes, never in check

495
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:05.240
she walks away, and then of
course, you know, but then the

496
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.440
borders closed, so I mean,
so everything was ready to go, and

497
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.799
then all of a sudden, yeah, sorry, you're not going to London

498
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.720
because nobody's going to London. And
that was it. And then you know,

499
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.839
three years later, now did it
stunt is yes, But at the

500
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.240
same time, because again human nature, you know, people ran out of

501
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.880
things to watch, you know,
literally, I mean, how many people

502
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.079
never would have thought I would have
run out of things to watch on Netflix?

503
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:34.200
Right, It's okay to the point
where I like today, I think

504
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.359
I've got a season and a half
left of Supernatural, which I had never

505
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:44.160
watched. People don't understand. That's
fifteen season kids, right, that's all.

506
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.279
And that's twenty two episodes of season. That is a huge catalog.

507
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.880
And I'm going through it because why
the hell not? I got nothing else

508
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:53.920
to watch? So what else?
What else were people doing? Well,

509
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.440
unch up YouTube on your television and
start going down in rabbit holes, and

510
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.119
so people were getting woken up to
a whole bunch of things. Why not

511
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:07.240
because you know it's different now because
everybody else's home, so you're recommending to

512
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.720
other rabbit holes to people. So
flat Earth came into it, and so

513
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.799
they slowed us down in one sense, but they give it brought us broader

514
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:21.960
exposure in another, to where now
everybody knows that the flat earth is a

515
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.160
thing. Beforehand, they knew the
term, but they didn't know what it

516
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:30.400
meant. Now it's a thing.
To where I was telling somebody recently that,

517
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.680
you know, I've done a lot
of school interviews, which David doesn't

518
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.400
get to do. I talked classrooms. They call me up, really and

519
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.519
I go, and I It's like, how I go, How exactly am

520
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.559
I talking to a classroom? Right? And they say, well, because

521
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.440
we watched the documentary, and I
go what, It's like, oh yeah,

522
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.440
it's it's required. It's on the
syllabus. Wow, It's like what.

523
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.680
And and the reason is is because
once it's on Netflix, and Netflix

524
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.759
is generally you know safe, you
know, unless it's got an Our rating.

525
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.400
It's like no, that's mainstream media
approved. And so it's like,

526
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.119
no, no, we're just anything
fringe on YouTube. We're having them watching

527
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.320
Netflix documentary. And and so I
talked to so many classes that would I

528
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.960
mean so many classes that would say
the same thing. It's like, oh,

529
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.679
yeah, we were required to watch
the documentary. I mean, David

530
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.400
and I just did. There was
a girl two weeks ago from Sweden.

531
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.760
She's doing her dissertation on it,
not the documentary, but the flat Earth

532
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.920
in general. And she's not the
first one. So now yeah, so

533
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.440
it's it's it's permeated everything. So
the pushback, Yes, of course,

534
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.719
there's still good people. The average
person going into it's still going to go

535
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:39.440
into the five stages of acceptance and
denial and anger. You know, it's

536
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.920
still out there, and we've got
some dedicated trolls. But I think some

537
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.800
of the trolls are just trolling us
because they can't flip, you know,

538
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.119
once you're dedicated troll, and once
you have your established viewer base, you

539
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.679
can't flip because you'll lose the base. So now they have to be a

540
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.199
troll forever. That's right. And
I still think Joe Rogan to an Stent

541
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.239
is one of those guys. He
was a truther and then he was given

542
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:08.159
a big payout to get away from
the truth or community just before we came

543
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.360
into play, and Flatters would have
been so fun for him. And so

544
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.639
I feel bad, you know,
because he'll he'll bring it off and off

545
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.760
comments, He'll he'll throw it a
guess, he'll try to be the the

546
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:22.360
antagonist. But I know full well
that back behind closed doors, there's all

547
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.360
sorts of people that are again closet
flat earthers that just can't say it because

548
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.719
they don't want to for either sponsorship
reasons or they're base or both. They

549
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.079
don't want to they don't want to
deal with the hassle. Yeah, you

550
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.559
mentioned Netflix. It's funny. I
don't know if you're aware of it or

551
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.480
not, but one of the CEO's
the guy's name is Mark Randolph. He

552
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.079
is directly related to Sigmund Freud.
And even funny enough, Edward Burns,

553
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.599
who I don't know if you know
who Edward Burnes is, but he was

554
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:51.960
the king of propaganda. Oh no, I watched that documentary that that multipart

555
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.760
series about him. Yeah, yeah, and he was one. You know

556
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:59.679
what what I remember about that series
is he had such the deeper he got

557
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.320
in the more he learned about how
to market to human psychology, the more

558
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.000
heat found humans contemptible. Yeah,
you know the lines like they're all idiots.

559
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.960
It's like, just tap into that
idiot, you know, part of

560
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:16.159
it, and you can make them
basically do anything. And sorry he would.

561
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.400
Yeah, the father of modern marketings. Yeah, yeah, and he

562
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.559
wasn't he wasn't he the one that
that helped God was it getting women into

563
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.599
smoking yea torches for freedom or something
like that. Yeah, they really busted

564
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:31.760
out their cigarettes and let them up. Yeah. And he was the dude

565
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:37.440
behind putting fluoride and water and of
course the again who would have known that

566
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.559
the again, one twenty percent of
people smoke anyway, But the one of

567
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:46.639
the biggest pushes was just in implementing
a pack of cigs into military rations for

568
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.719
world yea boxhol You're hot jacked up. You've got nothing better to better smoke

569
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.519
up, Jenny, Yeah, trustman, I smoked a lot of heaters when

570
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:59.000
I was in the military. You're
else and yeah, you're trying to kill

571
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.079
a lot of time. They actually
had. They kept them in their MRIs

572
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.039
through Vietnam, and I think the
mid seventies they cut them out. You

573
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:07.480
know it's well they had to after
that. Oh yeah, for sure,

574
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.800
for sure. Oh which, well, sorry, let me throw one more

575
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.000
thing ahead before before he gets there. It's a little quick story. It's

576
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.920
tied to the whole shot thing.
Cigarettes reminds me of this because you know,

577
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.360
people say, oh, you know, you don't take the whole pandemic

578
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.880
very seriously. I go, no, I don't. And the biggest reason

579
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.239
for me, believe it or not, was something silly, which was I

580
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:34.239
go, you know what it was, I go, smoking on airplanes and

581
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.840
then they go, what do you
mean. I go, well, you

582
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.119
know they banned it, right,
they banned smoking on airplanes. And they

583
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.519
go why, I go, well, because second hand smoke nothing stops it.

584
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.199
You know, even your lungs don't
stop it. Hence secondhand smoke,

585
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.800
right, you know, you breathe
and smoke you breathe on your spouse.

586
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.719
Hey, your spouse Scott cancer who
not Yeah, not picking on smokers.

587
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.840
But the point was is that planes
just use furnace filters, you know,

588
00:37:54.840 --> 00:38:00.519
as filters to circulate the air.
And and pilots tell me it's like,

589
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:01.639
yeah, they make coffee in the
back, we'll smell it in the in

590
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:06.679
the cabin, in the cockpit in
less than ninety seconds. It's really fast.

591
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.639
You know, they have to keep
the air, you know, circuling

592
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.639
in the can. And they go, what's your point? I go,

593
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.880
My point is is that if the
furnace filled, if the filters in the

594
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.400
airplanes can't stop smoke, and virus
particles are way way smaller. Why didn't

595
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.039
the airplanes shut down? The airport's
never closed. I mean, yeah,

596
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:29.119
the borders closed, but that was
an international border. Thing. Didn't fly

597
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.920
domestic all day long at no point
at lax Close or New York or any

598
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.239
of these I flew in these planes
and they all said the same thing.

599
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.440
And what I try to get to
people I go to look, I go,

600
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.039
you can wear a masks all you
want, but here's here's the kicker.

601
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.000
If you can, if you're wearing
your mask and you can smell something.

602
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.159
That's it, right, I go, I go. Odor particles are

603
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:58.239
way bigger than virus particles. There's
a reason why firefighters, when they go

604
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.000
into major blazes they have full blown
oxygen tanks. They might as well they're

605
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:07.199
well be wearing scuobattacks because that's the
only thing that stops smoke. So if

606
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.000
the masks makes you feel better,
hey great. Does it stop people spitting

607
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.840
on you? Yeah? Sure,
but that's it, that's all, that's

608
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.079
all it does. So again,
when they requirement planes, that was a

609
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.159
tough year. Yeah. One thing
I'll take to my grave, I'll never

610
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.400
forget is seeing somebody and I think
every now and then you'll still see one

611
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:29.679
or two people in their cars by
themselves wearing masks. Man, that was

612
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.400
just oh well, yeah, you
don't want me to get started on that.

613
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.920
But yeah, there's there's two things
that happen. They're one. You

614
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.039
know, you've got the comfort zone
people that even when the administration changed,

615
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:42.679
no one want to buy them and
they rolled back to mandates. They didn't

616
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:44.880
care. They don't trust anyone.
At this point, it's like, no,

617
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.199
no, this is my comfort zone, this is my wheelhouse. That's

618
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.239
right, And you can tell those
people are gonna be wearing masks outside for

619
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.519
the rest of their lives, which
isn't really that much different if you ever,

620
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.280
I mean, you're in the military
people. I was used to it

621
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.239
kind of because it was people always
coming from Japan. Yeah, they always

622
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:00.400
when japan people got the plane,
it's like, what's with the masks,

623
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.440
And people told me, oh,
it's Japanese people. They wear masks.

624
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.039
You know, there's a percentage of
Japanese people that do it. The other

625
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:13.039
part, which is I don't want
to pick, but it's it's unattracted people,

626
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.559
which is unattracted people that realized,
you know, they got more compliments

627
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.639
when they were wearing the mask because
it only shows their eyes. I mean,

628
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.960
how many people have ugly eyes,
Let's be honest. Uh, They're

629
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.119
like, oh no, I'm actually
better with you know, with a with

630
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.239
a mask, kind of like me, but I'm better with a hat.

631
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.159
Whenever producer tells you it's like oh, dad, dude, you should wear

632
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:31.960
more hats, It's like, yeah, I get it, I'm wearing more

633
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.159
hats. Yeah. My mom said
I have a face for radio. That's

634
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.880
why I do podcasts. No,
no, no, no, you've got

635
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.679
it. You've got a very wholesome
I like your face, and you got

636
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.960
and you got a bright smile.
Oh thank you. I want to get

637
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.079
into a few questions for me,
and it sounds like for you now listen.

638
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.320
We're always constantly learning. But uh, flat Earth was one of the

639
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.679
last rabbit holes where I went down, and obviously you told the same story.

640
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.599
I'm I'm really shocked. I've interviewed
tons of people on this program.

641
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.960
We bring just the listeners on and
they tell their stories. There's a lot

642
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.599
of them mark that this was their
first rabbit hole. They don't know anything

643
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.159
about nine to eleven or Klahoma City, and I'm every time I hear their

644
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.920
story like that, I am shocked. It's just amazing for me. I

645
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.159
think I had to take that you
know stairway, you know with JFK,

646
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.679
the moon landing, the baby steps
in order to lower my guard. But

647
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.880
that is something I'm seeing more and
more often, is flat Earth is their

648
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.599
first rabbit hole. That is shocking
to me. Well, that's good and

649
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.159
bad. I mean, I was
worried back in the day. I was

650
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.199
kind of jogging with some of the
early people. It's like I was worthy

651
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.920
there would be a percentage of people
that would freak out right if this happened,

652
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.360
you know, I mean like lose
it. It's like it's like,

653
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.840
are we gonna see like some people
like put on full blown suicide vest It

654
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.559
starts like flat Earth click, you
know, stuff like that. But but

655
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.880
it never happened, which was great. Apparently simultaneously, when you shrink the

656
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.960
universe down to a big studio apartment, you also create this comfortable sense of

657
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.519
oh wow, but it's got purpose, so I don't really have to freak

658
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.320
out after all. But the process, when it shrinks down, you panic,

659
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.039
right, and it's like it's getting
smaller. It's getting smaller. It's

660
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.639
like, oh, it's not that
bad, but getting there is a scary,

661
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:20.639
scary situation. If you learn about
flat earth first, boy, that's

662
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.719
gotta be a hell of a roller
coaster because at that point you understand that

663
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.320
you because yeah, if you learn
about flat Earth at first, then you

664
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.880
realize that anything can be lied about. Yeah, anything, so anything below

665
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.320
that, I mean, come on, everything. And I feel bad for

666
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.480
the nine to eleven people that would
give me crap because it's like you're taking

667
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.599
away from the ultimate conspiracy, which
is nine to eleven. I'm going,

668
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.519
dude, that was two buildings three
if you count building seven, which I

669
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.960
do. Right of course, this
is a whole other thing, but it's

670
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.039
just it's one country. It's a
tiny part of one country. I go

671
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.639
flatter, it's the whole world I
got. Nothing can compared to that.

672
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.840
It's always going to be second tier
to flat Earth. However, once again,

673
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:04.760
once you realize that flatter is a
possibility, then everything that anyone ever

674
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.360
tells you you can't discount. Right, you know again, I people I

675
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.719
would just throw out of the room
before again, the lizard people right right

676
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.800
there, you or somebody would come
up to me. It's like, dude,

677
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:20.800
I'm pretty sure that Elvis and Bigfoot
were like an item, right we're

678
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.880
Hannah be like, dude, just
cut back on whatever you're smoking. But

679
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.519
now I'd be like, you know
what, I got a few minutes,

680
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.719
what do you have? What do
you got? Bring it? Hit me

681
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.639
with that. So, I mean, I'm kind of envious in a way

682
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.360
for people to get into flatters first, because then everything is a possibility.

683
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:45.039
That being said, their trust probably
of authority figures probably goes out the window

684
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:52.679
really quickly to where you jump to
to you know, the term the auto

685
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.239
hoax thing, yea, which you
get into that. I mean David Weiss,

686
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.840
isn't that's every once in a while, which is I don't blame him,

687
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.199
which is everything on the news is
a lie, right, everything,

688
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:07.000
and and that shouldn't be your default
stance. But at the same time,

689
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:14.239
if you're play of the percentages,
it's probably the safer bet because again,

690
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.960
people forget kind of like the line
which I'll jump back and forth real quick,

691
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:21.480
which is because I asked people outside
of this country, I go,

692
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.119
why do you think the Americans went
to the moon? Why do you believe

693
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.559
the Americans went to the moon?
Right? I know? You know our

694
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.320
Americans. You watch Fox News every
once in a while. I haven't years,

695
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.199
but I used to, and I'm
one of the commentators on their.

696
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.920
Dana Perino, she's still on there
now. She used to be are preseector

697
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:38.440
for the Bushes. One of her
lines was really, really scary. She

698
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:44.119
goes, I believe in the moon
landings because I'm a patriot. She said

699
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.639
that absolutely in that I know,
and she said that straight to the camera.

700
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:52.039
I knew exactly what she was saying, meaning whatever the government tells you

701
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:53.840
that's what you go with. I
mean, you're from the military, you

702
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.920
know that line. We have a
saying on this podcast that patriotism is a

703
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.559
hell of a drug. Yeah yeah, And it's like, no, we're

704
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:06.719
we're looking out for you. Therefore
whatever the government says is for your own

705
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.199
good. That's right and so and
I get it right. And inside this

706
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:14.159
country it's like America waved little flags
and we're great. However, you know,

707
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:15.000
I ask people in other countries,
it's like, why do you think

708
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.840
the Americans went to the moon?
And they always said the same thing they

709
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.440
said because it was on television,
and the American media wouldn't lie. And

710
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.760
I'd look at him, I go, you don't know us at all.

711
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.239
We lie about everything. Yeah,
in fact, we have layers of lies.

712
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.880
America is the greatest show on earth, the operative word there being show.

713
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.920
We're pretend, we're make believe.
I mean, we're a fantastic empire.

714
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.480
Were we're the what was the line
I used in one of my things,

715
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.039
like we're the Michael Jordan of empires, very showy, very flashy.

716
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.920
Are we the greatest, you know
empire that ever lived? No, it's

717
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.840
the Roman Empire. They crushed people
and the big difference in I was kind

718
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.599
of irritated the America didn't go down
this line, but I know why they

719
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.840
didn't. You once you start down
the path, you can't with the Romans.

720
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:07.320
The public demanded it. It's like, who have you conquered today for

721
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.599
the empire? Are you doing your
part for the empire? I mean that

722
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.079
was their thing. They waited for
you, and it's like, what are

723
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.039
your broadest today? Oh? You
you took out half a Europe. That's

724
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:22.440
fantastic. Who are you gonna,
you know, hang in the coliseum with

725
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.039
America. We try to do it
and still pretend to be the good guys.

726
00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:30.239
And I get it's it's a good
good thing and it works. You

727
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.400
know, our propaganda machine is is
top notch. So what was the initial

728
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.800
question on that? I don't even
remember now, I'm so hooked on your

729
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.320
your story one point? All right, but but that's but that's sorry.

730
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:50.559
Oh the patriotism thing so uh and
the moon landing crap. No, I

731
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.320
think it was just patriotism in general. We were talking about. The first

732
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:59.159
frabbit hole was the flat earth?
Yeah yeah, yeah, and again if

733
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.199
yeah one yeah, Once people get
into it, then again, the authority

734
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:06.840
can't be necessary. Oh yeah,
it's the auto hooks anything, which is

735
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.719
everything on the news. You that's
sorry thinking not back to where I was,

736
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:19.320
which was the people forget that the
news isn't objective objective journalism. I

737
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.679
don't know if it's ever truly existed. You guys, want to watch a

738
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.239
wonderful movie that you know that stands
the test of time. It's Citizen Kane

739
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.239
going all the way back to where
And this was based on a true story

740
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:36.519
which was American like like we reinvented
it or something, which is, if

741
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:40.360
a very wealthy person is getting accosted
by a newspaper, what's the answer,

742
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.000
Well, you just buy the freaking
newspaper and you can do whatever you want.

743
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.239
They're never going to write a bad
story about you. Again, Transition

744
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.280
that to radio, Transition that to
television, Transition that to the internet,

745
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:58.039
and you can do anything you want. So the corporations that are out there

746
00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:04.840
again, we tried to take the
naive nature of people away, which is

747
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.280
the news. You know, the
whether it's Fox or NBC or ABC.

748
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.960
They are owned by a parent company
which is owned by a parent company which

749
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:19.079
has different interests, and those interests. They will dictate policy all day long.

750
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.800
That's what they do, and they
pit they don't in this country.

751
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.800
They've done a wonderful job of pitting
people against each other. Last thing before

752
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.519
whatever question you have next, which
is the question I have for people?

753
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:31.639
It's like, oh no, there's
no such thing. It's fake news.

754
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:37.000
It's like, okay, I go
resolve these two statements. Everything on CNN

755
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.360
is absolutely true, and everything on
Fox News is absolutely true. The end,

756
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.320
you can't you can't depend on which
side you vote, and most people

757
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.639
don't or most people do. I
don't. The you know, both sides

758
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.880
accuse each other of line all the
time. We know full well. Last

759
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:58.079
part, which is we know full
well or you know full well whoever's listening,

760
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.440
that there are conspiracies out there right
in business and politics and sports and

761
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.079
entertainment and yes, even journalism and
science. Right. The difference is is

762
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:13.920
that there's media sanctioned conspiracies which aren't
conspiracies at all. They're either scandals or

763
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.480
their tragedies if somebody dies, right, Anything that isn't one of those two,

764
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.119
anything that they don't want to dig
in more about, that's a conspiracy.

765
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.239
And that's fringe. But come on, I could spend all day on

766
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.719
any one of those topics. Business
and politics, I mean, come on,

767
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.519
there's corporate espionage. We know about
the politics. They lie for a

768
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:38.239
living, for God's sakes. Sports
because there's nothing ever weird happens in sports.

769
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.800
You know, no one's there's no
scandals in sports ever, ever.

770
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:46.760
Ever. The other thing, entertainment, come on all day long, all

771
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.079
day long. At Harvey Weinstein.
That was a nice laid incident. That's

772
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.920
just one guy, right. And
then journalism and politics, well you want

773
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.480
to talk about, Oh, who
is the journalist that said he was getting

774
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.000
shot in the helicopter over the Middle
East? Remember him? And he had

775
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.599
to do it? A pause?
Tom Broke? Off? Was that his

776
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.280
name? Tom Broke? And I
think it was Tom crap go off to

777
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.360
remind me later. And then and
and science come on, happens all the

778
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:20.119
time. And by that I mean
every scientific version of anything. I mean

779
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:27.559
con they just look at all the
scientists going all the way back. Most

780
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.079
of the scientists have cut corners over
the years, right, lead paint,

781
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.480
lead, gasoline, asbestos, by
the way, which is a great product

782
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.320
unless you work in the factory.
Then is that some grade, or how

783
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.920
about all the scientists again nut to
pick on smokers, that that that took

784
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.480
the money and said, oh yeah, cigarettes absolutely fine, right lie under

785
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.960
oath. Things like that happen all
and don't give me started on the pharma

786
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:58.800
industry. You know science, science
has conspiracies. So anyway, sorry,

787
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.159
I go off. And it's interesting
when actually, when I did that episode

788
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.880
on Edward Burney's I actually played a
lot of those commercials from the fifties.

789
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:12.039
You know, my doctor chooses camel
shows, the doctor letting up a lung

790
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:17.760
dart. Money is money is such
it's I shouldn't say it's the root of

791
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.360
all evil, but it allows bad
people to do bad things. That's a

792
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.599
line from a movie, perfectly saying
and but but it's so true. I

793
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.159
mean, if there's enough money in
hell. There was a movie I just

794
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.400
watched recently called pain Killer. It
was it was a multi part series about

795
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.199
the the OxyContin thing, which was
people forget that back in that Look,

796
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:45.960
if there's money in it, we
will be people will find a way to

797
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:51.480
make it keep going all the way
back to again, back in the days

798
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.400
when they sold cocaine in the drug
stores, or the fact that Coca cola

799
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.000
is called coca cola, right,
And and here's a quick story most people

800
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.000
don't know, and that is I
remember doing tech support for a company that

801
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.119
they made the high fructose corn syrup
for coke. They were one of the

802
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.880
companies that did this. And I
go, yeah, I go remember when

803
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.920
they used to do you know,
coca leaves, you know, and the

804
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.360
he goes, and the guy the
other in phonic goes, what do you

805
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.639
mean used to? And I go, oh, you're talking about it,

806
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.519
he goes. He goes, dude, he goes, Once it's below the

807
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:24.239
FDA's minimum threshold, you can do
whatever you want. We still put coca

808
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:29.119
leaves in it. In fact,
he goes, during the process, we

809
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.800
have so much cocaine paste that we
have to put it in a vault and

810
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.119
the FEDS have to come and get
it to destroy it. What on like

811
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:42.559
a bi monthly basis. Wow,
I go what and he goes, yeah,

812
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.239
he goes, It's always been in
there. It's never going away.

813
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.159
I mean, he goes, because
but it's below the FDA's minimum, so

814
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.440
it doesn't count technically, right if
it's below that. Whatever it is you

815
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.199
know you've seen or whatever. Yeah, yeah, parts per million. It's

816
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.280
like, but it's still in there, and and he goes, yeah,

817
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:07.159
it is great, that's that's awesome. Or again the movie Painkiller so well,

818
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.079
I thought was interesting was they figured
out a way. You know,

819
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.679
once Heroin and Cooke you know,
became controlled substances, it became illegal.

820
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:19.480
That's like another company stepped in.
It's like, how can we repackage heroin

821
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:22.960
into a pill, right and then
push it past the FDA? Can we

822
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.679
do it? And can we get
away with it without people fit? You

823
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.440
know, how long can we do
it before people you know, figure out

824
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.159
what we're doing? And they did
it for years, years, and you

825
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.280
know, on the nineties and the
early two thousands, it's it's a fantastic

826
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.880
looking you don't want to do the
whole history of oxy conton. There you

827
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:42.760
go, one family figured it out, They figure out, you know,

828
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.880
and again what did it takes?
All they had to do is bribe the

829
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.719
right FDA person's right, that's it, and then then you're you're good until

830
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.639
cities start collapsing, you know,
until the crime rates started jacking up,

831
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:59.800
and then then America has always been
notorious for taking things too far. Always

832
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.800
you wonder why if you ever look
at British media, why they run so

833
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.880
so many stories in America? You
know, because we're the ultimate British spinoff,

834
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.719
you know America. We they look
at us over there and they go

835
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:15.280
what they've been up to? Now? They don't want stories in Canada like

836
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.519
this. It's always America. I
mean, people forget we used to sell

837
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.000
This is too old for most people. We used to sell machine guns in

838
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:29.199
the hardware stores back in the thirties, literally sold. But you could buy

839
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:35.440
a hammer and a machine gun at
the same time. And why not Why

840
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.400
wouldn't you. Yeah, you could
order guns on through your comic books or

841
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:43.400
I don't know what your comic books, but you can through catalogs. Yeah,

842
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:46.519
yeah, absolutely, and yeah fully
automatic weapons. And you know,

843
00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:52.559
the Roaring twenties, there was no
joke. The shootouts were amazing, you

844
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:54.760
know, and the cops had them
and the and the and so when like

845
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.400
the later guns stuff happened, you
know on the eighties, you know,

846
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.800
the big assault weapon thing, it's
like, we've already done this. At

847
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.679
one point. This was just on
a on a slightly different than what had

848
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.039
happened was all the cops had switched
back to revolvers, and then the drug

849
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:12.480
dealers started picking up. You know, there were places and it's like,

850
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.400
well, the cops were like,
hey, we're we're not doing well in

851
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:20.159
these shootouts and so, and we're
not gonna let Basically, what they figured

852
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.239
out was, we're not going to
give cops the your beat cop machine guns

853
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.679
anymore. They're not going to keep
machine guns into the trunk. So we're

854
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:29.920
gonna we have to ramp down the
the the assault weapons. And I got

855
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:30.800
it. I mean, come on, I was year old enough to remember

856
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:36.760
what was happening in the eighties.
It was nuts. It was absolutely freaking

857
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.280
nutty. What was going on.
Did you do you ever go to the

858
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:42.719
gun shows in the early nineties,
Uh? Yeah, sure, occasionally,

859
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.920
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I
went to one up in near Seattle,

860
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.159
and I was there when like six
at F agents decided to just remember this

861
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.199
was before any of the legislation was
going down, so they showed up just

862
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:59.079
to kind of walk around and see
what was going on. And the horror

863
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.119
in their faces when they were walking
through, you know, because we're talking

864
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:08.400
about a fair ground's barn or two
just jammed the freaking bristling with weapons and

865
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:13.639
they were you know, gang members
and bikers and merchant marines and you know

866
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.559
off duty cops and everyone's just buying
stuff. You know, within seconds,

867
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.840
there's no paperwork, there's nothing.
It's like the system we built is completely

868
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.480
useless. This is this is happening
everywhere. It's like yep pretty much.

869
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.719
And that's why they were like scrambling, just freaking I got it. I

870
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:31.760
mean, I remember, you know, picking up a I think I picked

871
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:37.280
up a Ruger pistol once brand new
in the box. Uh in like under

872
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.159
thirty seconds. Who's that fast?
Guy had a cardboard sign, you know

873
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.920
on his back. It's like a
three hundred book book book done there you

874
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:52.079
go, yeah, yeah, America, God bless her. We do stuff.

875
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.559
By the way, fail fail Army. The channel I recommended from people.

876
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.000
It's like, look, you don't
want to see Americans on a regular

877
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.320
basis is growing up there you go
hold my beer? Yeah, sorry,

878
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.280
go ahead. I watched that a
couple of times a week. Just when

879
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.440
I'm feeling bad about myself, I
turn on exactly me too, and I'm

880
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:15.840
good and and by the way,
and I don't want to do racial profiling,

881
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:16.800
but you know what I see when
I watch a lot of that,

882
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.840
and I bet you, I bet
you this happens out there. It's white

883
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:29.800
people problems like white the people of
really dumb things. I am sure there

884
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:37.360
are other demographics out there watching and
tail army going wow, why why would

885
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:39.719
you do this? That is hilarious. I want to get to cut to

886
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.440
some of these questions. Okay,
what do you got? All right?

887
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.199
So first one, I got a
couple from me and a couple from listeners,

888
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.960
and a couple of audio questions.
This one is so flat Earth Clues,

889
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:55.280
which delves into the possibility of our
human civilization actually being inside a Truman

890
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:00.280
show like an enclose a Truman show
like enclosed system, and how it's been

891
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.719
hidden from the public since nineteen fifty
six. So and that's in you.

892
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:10.719
I think your YouTube about in your
show why nineteen fifty six. Nineteen fifty

893
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:20.039
six would have been the when the
last major Navy operation was happening down in

894
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:25.679
Antarctica, which is also known as
was its fifty five fifty six Operation Deep

895
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:30.000
Freeze, which was by Admiral Bird
his last mission, by the way,

896
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:35.880
before he died of whatever cause.
And honestly, you know, watching him

897
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.760
on television, he was a problem
because he was too casual on camera,

898
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.880
he was too good on camera,
and he let things slide that even nowadays

899
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.159
would make people, you know,
producers wins. Which was you know,

900
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.519
I knew when he in that line
where he was talking, it's like,

901
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.840
oh, yeah, there's coal and
there's there's oil and uranium and he stops,

902
00:58:55.840 --> 00:58:59.119
he goes, I probably shouldn't have
said that. It's like, oh

903
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:04.880
god, do you imagine the handlers
scatching? You know, It's like,

904
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.679
oh dudelet come on, you can't
you know. And then it's like,

905
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.079
well, you know, worried,
worried we could be fighting about this.

906
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.840
So yeah, so an Operation fifty
five fifty six. What I what I

907
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:19.559
believe was they were still looking,
you know, for the better part of

908
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.639
thirty years, for any sort of
evidence that there was an outer barrier,

909
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:28.559
which would make sense, which would
mean that you put the outer barrier,

910
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.679
you take the coast of Antarctica,
and then you go inland thousands of miles,

911
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.639
right, because they'd have to be
thousands of miles because it took you

912
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.880
thirty years planes and refueling stations and
flying the ice and flying and flying and

913
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.719
flying, and then you give up
I think at one point they're like,

914
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.159
well, maybe either we won't find
it, or maybe it's just not there.

915
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.280
And of course Murphy's law. During
Operation Deep Freeze, they found something,

916
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:52.880
but they weren't going to talk about
it. All we knew was when

917
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:59.159
they were done with Operation Deep Freeze, they immediately started working up the paperwork

918
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.000
for the Enter Treaty, the only
unbroken treaty in the history of treaties that

919
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.639
said, yeah, everybody off the
ice, no one's going down there.

920
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.679
We're basically militarizing it. No one, no country can own it. And

921
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:15.920
again, the big red flag for
me was that not only are you not

922
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.760
allowed to go down there set up
company, you know, no matter how

923
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:22.800
much money you have, which you
tread flag which, But the other one

924
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.840
is you're not even allowed to talk
about it. That's the big one,

925
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.719
which is you have a big oil
and gas company. They are notorious for

926
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.079
running like full page ads and newspapers
back in the day. You know,

927
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.519
it's like, how great you want
to, you know, influence public opinion.

928
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.239
You run page ads because they can't
miss it. And he's like,

929
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.639
how great would it be for British
petroleum to be down an antarctical. It's

930
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:45.880
jobs, it's security, it's Britain, right, you know, fly the

931
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:51.320
Union jazz. So but they weren't
even allowed to do that, and I

932
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.920
knew exactly why, which was like, oh yeah, that would be standard

933
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.679
protocol. You know. You you
go to these companies, you say,

934
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:02.239
okay, so you're even thinking you're
just the top guys, right, whatever

935
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.199
it is the top guys, and
say national security, don't even think about

936
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.159
it, don't even talk about it. And when you retire, give them

937
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:15.000
this card and have them call us, and then we will come in and

938
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.679
we'll do this over again. We'll
repeat this. And that's what happened.

939
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:21.840
I mean, every country that came
online as an economic power had to sign

940
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.320
this treaty. No one's allowed to
question, no one's even tried. You

941
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.760
know, if you think it's like
China, why didn't they storm the ice?

942
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.079
In fact, one of the big
flags also was the only people the

943
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.840
only country that was down there during
World War two, which was Nazi Germany's

944
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.880
right, everybody was gone and they
were down there. They were working hard

945
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.239
again because Indiana Jones was not just
a movie. There are some countries and

946
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.840
I will hand it to Germany.
In this sense, there's an old saying

947
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.679
called All's fair in love and war
Geneva convention. Yeah, it's a nice

948
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:57.480
idea, but the truth is whatever
wins the war period, right, if

949
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.679
you're if you are ruthless enough that
you've heard the military saying, which is

950
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:06.480
the difference, all sides being equal? It usually comes down to the what

951
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.480
the person's willing to do something the
other guy is not right? You know,

952
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.880
who's willing to take steps that who
may even be unethical the then and

953
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.000
we're talking about flexible ethics here.
So if Germany all of a sudden,

954
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.920
you know, Germany's looking for the
Holy Grail, if they're looking for you

955
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.079
know, Froto's Ring, if they're
looking for Harry Potter's wand if that will

956
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.039
turn the course of the war,
Oh yeah, they're gonna find it.

957
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.559
Right again, people thought it was
a great movie. It's it's not a

958
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.199
movie. They're looking for these things
because they hope to God. It's like,

959
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.760
look, if we find a weird
wand that we incinerate a battlefield,

960
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:42.199
Oh yeah, we're using it.
We don't care. Wait even if there's

961
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:45.079
blowback, you know, it kills
half of our guys, we're still doing

962
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.880
it. So they're down there and
they're setting up shop and then you know

963
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:54.719
Operation High Jump right after the want
the second they sign the papers over in

964
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.360
Tokyo Bay for the surrender of Japan
a meat, it's like, oh yeah,

965
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:04.159
Richard byrd okay getting on a carrier
group. We're saying, a full

966
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:08.119
blown carrier group with infantry down to
Antarctica. Why oh, science reasons,

967
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:12.920
no reasons, let's go, right, And he knew why I was going

968
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.960
down there, and whatever was done, it was, it was over with

969
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:22.360
by the time you got on television
for the Long Jean's Chronoscope Show in nineteen

970
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:28.079
fifty four. Yeah, that sounds
about right. And uh yeah, so

971
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.360
there you go. That's amazing because
that was actually my follow up question.

972
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:34.679
I think history very much is in
line with what you were talking about,

973
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.960
David Weiss and the news. I
think it's at best our history and and

974
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.760
the news is a little bit of
truth covered with a lot of lies.

975
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.360
And you're you're a truther, and
I'm sure you've gone down the World War

976
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.480
two rabbit hole as well. And
yeah, you know, Stalin is a

977
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:58.000
great guy, right, But it's
amazing here, you know, they were

978
01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.679
on the version of World War Two, and he's got folk in Poland and

979
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:02.360
over here, and they've got a
fleet called, you know, down in

980
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.440
Arctica, a New Swabia. But
you know, they don't teach that in

981
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.679
high school. Nothing to see here, there's nothing. Antarctica is this little

982
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.440
continent on the bottom of the earth. I mean, when you stop and

983
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.000
think about these things, it's like, how how are you not processing the

984
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:20.079
next step? You know, there's
a Germany, this small country, has

985
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:27.679
a submarine fleet down there working you
know, furiously in Antarctica. And oh,

986
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.880
by the way, in South America
at the bottom of the continent they

987
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:35.599
set up and to this day you
can look. They have German cities in

988
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:41.199
Argentina and they still have the same
structure and the people down there. There's

989
01:04:41.239 --> 01:04:45.159
a lot of weird things going on
there. Mark, oh Germany. People

990
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:46.679
don't get And I think in alternate
timelines, you guys, want to watch

991
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:49.440
a fun series if you never watched
it, watch The Man in the High

992
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:54.800
Castle. I'm really surprised they actually
made that series because there but that's based

993
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.519
on books, which was why did
Germany lose? And I think in a

994
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:01.000
whole bunch of other timelines. I
think we're living one of those rare timelines,

995
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:06.159
you know, like the Doctor Strange
one where where we actually won because

996
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:11.760
the that war was over. Just
so you know, before Paul Harbor this

997
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.159
thing, it was done. I
mean, Russia was burning, Europe was

998
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.719
conquered. They were just toying with
England, and you know, Germany was

999
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.239
just mopping up. They knew before
wha they're gonna do they were gonna eventually

1000
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.360
take Moscow of it wasn't gonna be
that winner. It was gonna be the

1001
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:30.079
next one that would be that.
Then they'd have the Russian resources, they'd

1002
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:34.039
obliterate Germany. And the whole point
was they weren't going to fire a shot

1003
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.920
on America, not a single shot. They was supposed because there were so

1004
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.440
many German citizens over here, and
my family being one of them. They

1005
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:47.239
were oh yeah, Minnesota and in
Wisconsin, huge German communities, and I

1006
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:49.239
mean they were all over the place, and so they were gonna run dual

1007
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:53.639
flags and that was it. They
were America. Why would you ever burn

1008
01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:56.360
them down? Right? And they
were the they were the crown jewel.

1009
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.880
They that's where they were going to
take the only thing that could get in

1010
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.480
a way was of America turned against
them, and then all of a sudden,

1011
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:08.480
Pearl Harbor miraculously. You know the
problem that the conspiracy was too big

1012
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:13.639
for most people back then, which
was Pearl Harbor gets bombed on a Sunday,

1013
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:17.320
you know. And and Japan then
you know they're because Japan's allied with

1014
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:21.360
Germany. You know, in a
in another timeline in Germany probably shouldn't been

1015
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.599
allied with Japan. I mean kind
of it was silly anyway, they were

1016
01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:27.400
gonna take over Japan anyway. But
anyway, Man in the High Castle an

1017
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:32.280
interesting series. But yeah, well
every war that we have fought has been

1018
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:38.559
again numb. Everyone knows the history
is written by the winners quote, but

1019
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:44.000
I think Napoleon's quote is actually more
devious, which is he said history is

1020
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.719
just lies that are agreed upon,
and you know where it's like, okay,

1021
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:53.239
we've won. What's the story we're
gonna put out there? Right?

1022
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.159
Because we don't want to And it's
mostly I don't want to. I don't

1023
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:58.800
want to pick on women, but
it's mostly for the women, because women

1024
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:03.440
do not like sending their sons to
fight for things. However, the old

1025
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:08.159
tricks of the best tricks, and
people human means will fight for revenge from

1026
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:10.960
now until doomsday. The old one
of the oldest tricks in the book,

1027
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.280
which is you walk up to somebody. You've done it yourself. I'm sure

1028
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.840
you walked up somebody, Yeah,
hit him in the back of the head,

1029
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:17.639
and when they spin around, you
point to your best friends. Right,

1030
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.119
he did. It's one of the
oldest tricks ever and it works almost

1031
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:24.440
every single time. All you have
to do is keep a straight face,

1032
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.480
right or sell it. It's like, oh, dude, don't will be

1033
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.440
hit you And it's like, ah, you know, people fight for revenge.

1034
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:36.440
And again, you know, nine
to eleven every American war we've ever

1035
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:41.039
fought, I mean seriously, the
Civil Wars, Smash American War, the

1036
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.960
the Revolutionary War, which was basically
the French people. Again, the fact

1037
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.960
that most Americans don't even know.
It's like, no, we had to

1038
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:54.159
buy the country back from France.
Ye, go ahead, they won the

1039
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:57.039
war for us. It wasn't us. We were yeah, we were there,

1040
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.920
but it's come on. The Louisiana
purchase was massive, and I probably

1041
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.280
would have been even bigger except they
hadn't explored any further it's like, hey,

1042
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:05.880
by by the country off of us, you know, back from us,

1043
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:11.880
you always, and then we'll split
Canada between England and France, which

1044
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.840
makes no sense. Still try to
figure that one out. It's like,

1045
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:18.760
how England get that part of Canada
and France got the other one? Seriously

1046
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:25.680
Quebec really it's anyway? Sorry,
go ahead now you're good, by the

1047
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:29.800
way. Philip Dick wrote the book
The Man in the High Castle and if

1048
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.439
you want to another, all the
Men from Electric Dreams. Uh no,

1049
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:35.479
The Man in the Philip Philip K. Dick, Yes, yes, yes.

1050
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:40.920
He also wrote some the I think
the miniseries Electric Dreams, The Electric

1051
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:45.840
Dreams and Scanner Darkly. Oh wow, yeah, wow, he's gonna mind

1052
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.439
on him. Yeah. I again, I am really surprised The Man in

1053
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:49.920
a Hot High Castle as I was
watching it and it got made. Yeah

1054
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:53.680
me too. I'm like, it's
like, it's like, okay, so

1055
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.720
you're not gonna let Iron Sky get
distributed in the United States, right,

1056
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:01.760
even though I don't really. Can
you imagine again, I'm not picking,

1057
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:06.079
but you imagined the Jewish community watching
the trailers for Iron Sky and calling each

1058
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.880
other's like, so we're not gonna
let this actually play in America, right,

1059
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.880
because this is horrifying. But you
know, one of the little things

1060
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.640
that he did, which absolutely was
I think dead on, was in Man

1061
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:23.319
in the High Castle. Again,
the general public doesn't know this. How

1062
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:27.039
they had concords. Concords were the
basic form of travel, and it's like,

1063
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:30.399
yeah, we can make passenger planes
to crack the sound barrier. However,

1064
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.439
for aesthetic reasons, we don't because
we don't want sonic booms everywhere.

1065
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:41.000
And there's some livestyle concerns and crap
like that. But with Journey, they're

1066
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:43.960
like, yes, screw that,
we just want to get to the point

1067
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.960
A to point be as fast as
possible. Therefore everybody's flying freaking concords.

1068
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.520
I actually agree with the logic.
It's like, why would you want to

1069
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.279
fly anything else? And you're you're
perfecting it while you're doing it. It's

1070
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:58.800
like, why are you flying stub
sonic if you don't have to? But

1071
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.960
whatever, again, fascinating, fascinating, serious. It got a little weird

1072
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:08.199
towards the end, but whatever actually
would kind of got by the time it

1073
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.760
got to the end, it was
kind of delving into the truth, which

1074
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:14.680
was, Okay, what timeline are
we living in, because again they their

1075
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:16.840
timeline, they won. At our
timeline, we won, but they didn't

1076
01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:21.199
really go and like Japan was going
to share it with them. Oh no,

1077
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:24.560
no, no, no, zero
chance of that happening. No,

1078
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.359
they were going to get to Japan
eventually. Why because if you didn't get

1079
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:32.199
not to be brutal, but if
you didn't look like German people, you

1080
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:35.319
weren't going to be part of the
empire. Yeah, let's just how you

1081
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.399
were. So I have a question
from a listener's name is Joe. When

1082
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:45.880
he asks kind of video game simulation
of glow Birth helped prove flat Earth or

1083
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.439
vice versa, he'd, you know, obviously had heard that you've been in

1084
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.319
the video game community for a while. Is that something that has crossed your

1085
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:57.840
mind putting together a video game to
kind of drop breadcrumbs for flat Earth?

1086
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:00.119
I don't. I don't have to, and it is that's a that's a

1087
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.000
great question, by the way,
Thank you too, Joe. Which is

1088
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.920
you know, yeah, because I
came from the video game world, and

1089
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:10.399
a lot of people don't know this, which is most of the video games

1090
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:14.880
ninety nine percent of the video games
are made on a tabletop flat scenario,

1091
01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:17.199
meaning oh yeah, there might be
some valleys and mountains and stuff like that,

1092
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:21.000
but the edges lineup. And I
don't care what you're playing, whether

1093
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:27.560
it be Warcraft or FORTNIGHTE or GTA
or whatever. I mean, Minecraft being

1094
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:31.760
the most blatant example. I hate
that game. It's so terrible, and

1095
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:35.399
I hate I hate the fact that
Lego didn't go to that guy immediately and

1096
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:39.439
just buy it out right. It's
like, dude, this is a Lego

1097
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:43.439
game. You could own this right
now, and they lost so much money

1098
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.920
by the time they figure it out. But but the games are made tabletop

1099
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:49.600
flat. And what's interesting is also
the sky is also it's it's fact that

1100
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.720
the the graphics models that they use
to create the sky are called a skybox.

1101
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:57.880
So yeah, when you're looking at
the sky, you might see planets,

1102
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:00.880
you might see the moon. Everything
seems like it's curved and maybe even

1103
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:06.760
dome like, right, But engineering
wise, computers don't like curves. In

1104
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:12.039
fact, they can't technically even draw
curves. They can only draw right angles.

1105
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.640
Okay, so which is why pixels
are squares, right. You know,

1106
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.399
it's an engineering A engineer will tell
you this. It's always square Scar

1107
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:21.319
Scar scar square. Right, it's
legos don't have really, you know,

1108
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:27.279
you don't have let curve pieces,
so you can you can make spheares,

1109
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:30.800
but when you zoom in and zoom
in, it still comes down to you

1110
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.279
remember that as things get pixelated the
old term. So when it comes to

1111
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:39.760
the skies and the video games,
they're all Skybox systems. Everything's angled off,

1112
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:44.880
everything's squared off. So if this
place was a simulation, by the

1113
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:48.479
way, then the dome, the
snow globe that every culture has been drawing

1114
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:55.479
since the dawn of civilization is an
illusion. And then outside of this,

1115
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:58.800
let's say it is you know that
what in fact, what you've got the

1116
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.840
Orlando Ferguson behind you, which I
love, you know, And by the

1117
01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:04.439
way, I was a huge fan
of that because I like the I just

1118
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:06.439
liked the whole feel of it.
I liked it was made in the eighteen

1119
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:11.479
hundreds. I even liked the the
whole roulette table feel, you know,

1120
01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:15.039
because it really kind of looks like
a roulette table. Indeed, but people

1121
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.520
immediately called me up and they said, yeah, you can't use roulette table

1122
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.319
anymore when you're defining it. Even
though again I love them. I've even

1123
01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:25.399
seen the the being blown up original
I think it's in South Dakota. It

1124
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.000
takes up like half of a room, which is really awesome, which is

1125
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:31.840
why that every picture you see if
it's so high rest. But they said

1126
01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.039
you can't use the roulette table like
and why not they go because all the

1127
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:38.560
numbers a roulette table add up to
six hundred and sixty six. That's what.

1128
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:42.560
That's not true. It is true, It's absolutely true. Wow,

1129
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.880
Okay, that's not ominous at all. So yeah, video games, there's

1130
01:13:46.960 --> 01:13:53.239
only one or two that actually use
spherical modeling, and I don't even remember

1131
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.640
which ones they are. And the
reason why they do it is one,

1132
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.359
it's easier to code. Why would
your code in a sphere it's tougher to

1133
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.880
do. Why would you ever try
to work in the spere calculations because that

1134
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:06.560
affects freaking everything. And the other
is the average gamer won't notice it.

1135
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:11.359
I mean, I played Warcraft for
sixteen years and I looked out at the

1136
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.199
horizons over the ocean right and everything, and you're looking over it and yeah,

1137
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.359
there should be a curvature there,
but you're never going to notice it.

1138
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:19.960
But you tell place, well,
oh, you know, if you

1139
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.720
ask them back in the day,
oh, is there a curvature to the

1140
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:27.520
warcraft Horizon, most people would say, I don't know. You know,

1141
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:30.279
they go whatever way you were trying
to lean them towards. But there isn't.

1142
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:32.800
It's absolutely a tabletop flat, you
know, especially over water. And

1143
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.600
so yeah, it is so trying
to make a game. Now there we

1144
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:41.000
are making a game, but it's
it's kind of delving into it's still a

1145
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.880
flat game, but it's not doesn't
have the it's more of an informational trying

1146
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:47.239
to get people to go to different
websites and stuff like that just came out.

1147
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.079
I don't even know the name of
it. I just found out about

1148
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:53.279
a couple of days ago. Cool. Thanks for that explanation, and thank

1149
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:56.000
you, Joe. Can I play
one of our two audio messages for you?

1150
01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:58.439
Sure? All right, here we
go, and this is from our

1151
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:04.359
friend in Transylvania. Hello. Question
for Mark, what do you think about

1152
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:15.520
the Virgin galactic tourists space flights?
Keep doing what you're doing, saying searching,

1153
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:21.920
we will find the truth eventually.
There you go. I love his

1154
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:32.960
accent, right, he sounds like
a cross between a vampire and grow rob

1155
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:41.039
Oh my god, Oh it's so
great. I almost expect him saying blah

1156
01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:46.840
blah blah, I want to suck
your blood. Okay, when it comes

1157
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:50.800
to you, I won't just do. I'm not picking on him. That's

1158
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:57.439
a great accent. Absolutely, I
don't. Uh, why stop it,

1159
01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:01.119
Virginal, he said, Virgin Galactic, right, yes, last week or

1160
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:06.479
two? Yeah? Please, No, every every private space agency has huge

1161
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.600
holes in the plot, some better
than others. Virgin clac there's just a

1162
01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:13.039
token on the side of this whole
thing. It's like, Oh, we're

1163
01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:15.079
gonna go straight up sixty miles.
Uh huh. Okay. First off,

1164
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:18.239
you've been telling people they are going
up sixty miles, means you're probably not

1165
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.840
going up sixty miles. And he's
saying, oh, we're going to space.

1166
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:24.600
They're not even saying the edge of
space anymore. They're staying space.

1167
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:30.039
What a little crap. Then you
have what blue Horizon. I think that's

1168
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:34.239
Amazons. They haven't done anyone and
anything, anybody any favors, but anyways,

1169
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:39.520
but Virgin Galactic, oh, no, Blue Horizon. They're the one

1170
01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:41.880
that goes straight up and straight down. Virgin Galactic. I don't even know

1171
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:45.119
what the hell. Oh they're doing
that plane that rocket and then the plane

1172
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.279
falls off of the rocket. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the rocket power

1173
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.359
plane. Yeah again. People want
to show out money to go up at

1174
01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:57.520
a certain altitude. That's fine,
but you're not you're what are you doing?

1175
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.199
You're not you don't even have you
have a very limited I mean,

1176
01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:03.560
if you want to do a parable
the cheaper option would be to do the

1177
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:09.520
hollowed airplane for the parabolic flight,
the Moomit comet where you get up to

1178
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.920
a certain height and then just nose
down and really, then it's not anti

1179
01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:16.640
gravity. You're just falling without wind. That's all you're doing. It's not

1180
01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:21.880
anti gravity at all. It's it's
an illusion. It's it's stagecraft, really,

1181
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:27.560
which is thing is gravity, so
it can't be anti gravity. Oh

1182
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.079
yeah yeah. And then SpaceX.
Of course, I don't even know where

1183
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:38.600
to start with SpaceX. I mean, they are a United States military puppet

1184
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:43.279
arm of arm in the military.
They they shouldn't be doing what they're doing.

1185
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:45.840
That The people say it's a private
space for Everment's like, what are

1186
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.680
you talking about? It is run
by NASA, It runs off NASA facilities.

1187
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:53.600
You know the fact that NASA even
allows them to use Cape Carnaveral and

1188
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:59.479
Kennedy right as their pads, Like
that's direct competition to what they're doing.

1189
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:04.119
And and yet again that the general
public believes that you know, they've turned

1190
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:08.399
they've tried to turn Elon Musk,
who I I don't say I hate a

1191
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:11.760
lot of people. And again I
don't hate him as a person. I

1192
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:15.840
hate the idea that they chose him. That's what that was their option.

1193
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.359
Yeah, that's what they came up
with. Again the line from Armageddon that

1194
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.880
where Brustlis is yelling at It's like, and this is the best idea you

1195
01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:26.159
could come up with. You're not
asked to forgot, It's like, this

1196
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.159
is it right? This is what
you got. So when I mean,

1197
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.880
they try to turn Elon into Tony
Stark and he's he's used for all sorts

1198
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.800
of everything. And again because the
general public has such short term memory,

1199
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:43.479
they don't understand that he hasn't done
anything right. He didn't create PayPal.

1200
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:46.159
My uncle came to me and you
know, looked at me, and I

1201
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.880
shocked him with it, and it's
like, I go, you realize he

1202
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:55.039
didn't found Tesla, right, and
he just bought it right, And at

1203
01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:59.680
the same time he's he I guarantee
you within two years he's going to ask

1204
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:01.479
the kid on the street, Oh
yeah he found it X. No he

1205
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:04.640
didn't. He bought Twitter. And
he only bought Twitter because he had to

1206
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:08.960
buy Twitter because his lawyers said,
no, they're going to sue you because

1207
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.800
you said the taught stock price was
perfect time to buy and it's gonna be

1208
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.720
cheaper for you to just buy it
then destroy it rather than fight the legal

1209
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.000
fees and get nothing. That's right. Still, Oh and sorry, one

1210
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:25.520
one more, let me throw one
more. Since we're doing private space companies,

1211
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.399
let's throw in the one that happened
this morning, which was India.

1212
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:34.039
Oh my gosh, so India,
you know so yeah, so Russia supposedly

1213
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:40.000
tanked on the moon right slowly crashed. It's like, okay, no proof

1214
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.479
of this at all. You just
said, oh, yeah, we launched,

1215
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:45.000
Okay, fine, you launched a
rocket, and then some days later

1216
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:47.920
you say you tanked it on the
moon. Wow, sounds totally legit.

1217
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:55.199
India was right behind them, supposedly. The graphics are I'm looking at them

1218
01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:57.640
right now, and you've seen over
you saw any of the headlines from today.

1219
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.279
The graphics are I don't know,
pre nineteen ninety eight, a little

1220
01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:03.640
better than they're horrible, a little
better than pong, yeah, a little

1221
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:08.439
a little better. I mean they're
they're Atari graphics. And they even added

1222
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:11.399
stars to the graphics. And then
the single shot that the years was was

1223
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.520
terrible. But here's not here's the
part that they got. The part that

1224
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:17.439
GOTMI was the insulting part. Not
only did you say that you landed on

1225
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:23.760
the moon India right, when I
think high tech, I'm not picking on

1226
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.159
India. Look, they do a
lot of tech support. I don't think

1227
01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:30.359
India right, It's Japan, It's
it's German engineering, it's the United States,

1228
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.000
it's every once in a while,
you know, Italy. India is

1229
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:38.760
not think about for a space program
right now. And not only that,

1230
01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:43.920
but they said they did for seventy
five million dollars. I'm going, what

1231
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.840
one day? Right, Yeah,
that's one day's worth of NASSA. I

1232
01:20:46.840 --> 01:20:49.920
go, not only I go,
I go, I go. Super yachts.

1233
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:54.520
You can't even get a super yacht
for seventy five million dollars minimum for

1234
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.359
a super yacht, even just one
hundred foot or it's two hundred million dollars.

1235
01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:01.079
Right one, You notice for the
military, F sixteen cost sixty three

1236
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:05.159
million dollars and that's not even fully
loaded. That's not even fully rocketed up

1237
01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.760
right. You want to throw on
some sidewinders and it's not. Yeah,

1238
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:13.319
then then then you're upwards of seventy
eighty million dollars. But these guys supposedly

1239
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.760
went to the moon seventy five million
dollars. They landed. It took one

1240
01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.920
snapshot. So wow, we did
it. And of course we were there

1241
01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:23.319
the entire time. NASA was the
consultants on all of this. We ran

1242
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:29.119
the trajectory, we ran the computer. It's horrible computer animations. So yeah,

1243
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:32.239
but again all of India bought it. They're like clapping little little flags.

1244
01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:35.600
It wasn't funny. They're premiere whatever
sitting there with a flag like just

1245
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:41.119
kind of ball. That drove me
in the laughing. I hope that's the

1246
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:43.800
image you want to use. Even
you wouldn't even put Biden with a little

1247
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.880
as No. I mean that was
that was a carnival puppet holding that flag.

1248
01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:50.560
I mean I looked at his eyes
and going there's nothing there, no

1249
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:55.039
lights on, but nobody's home.
He's like just wave the flag man.

1250
01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:58.159
In fact, it may not have
you even been live. It may have

1251
01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:02.279
prerecorded that for sure. Why why
you know the guy holding the flat why?

1252
01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:04.079
Why the hell? And on?
Just run that, run that video

1253
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.880
for sure, it's gonna keep it
on a loop. It's gonna be it.

1254
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.520
That will be a gift before it's
over. Oh yeah, that'll be

1255
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.439
a gift. And we'll make it
a TikTok video as well. But sometimes

1256
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.840
three Stooges music with it or something. Since we're talking about these things.

1257
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:19.840
Who who was it? Okay,
here it is flat Earth. Tom from

1258
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:26.000
Kansas asks how high do you think
the firmament is at its apex? You

1259
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:29.880
know, at the center above the
north star? Uh? Eight miles?

1260
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:34.159
No, No, nobody knows to
be sure. All I know is it's

1261
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:39.479
way lower than most people think,
do I. The only reason we draw

1262
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:43.479
it as a snow globe infect if
you go into Google and type in ancient

1263
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.680
cosmologies and hit images, you'll see
what everybody drew. It's really weird that

1264
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.159
they all drew about pretty much the
same thing, which looks like a snow

1265
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:53.720
globe. But it doesn't have to
be that high, so it's probably more

1266
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.079
like a shallow sports stadium. And
I say that because human tech are Human

1267
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:02.880
technology doesn't go that high. So
the average I mean mostly like most of

1268
01:23:02.880 --> 01:23:08.319
our civilization lives between sea level and
one mile up. That's ninety seven percent

1269
01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:13.159
of the population. Then commercial aircraft
cap at about fifty thousand feet or ten

1270
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:16.600
miles roughly. Spy planes, if
you believe what they'd tell you, cap

1271
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:21.840
out of roughly twice that twenty miles. So even if it was a thousand

1272
01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:26.760
miles up, that'd be way more
than we need to do what we need

1273
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.439
to do, especially when it comes
to rockets, because you remember all the

1274
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:31.039
rockets. You want to look at
telemetry, look at time laps. Any

1275
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:34.279
rocket, you know, it goes
up and then it just goes horizontal so

1276
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.680
fast, I know, no one
even questions it. It's like where's it

1277
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:39.680
going. Well, it's gonna go
down there and then it's gonna go up

1278
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:41.920
this stunt. It's like, why
I didn't go up? Now? No

1279
01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.640
one wants to talk about it.
So it could it be three thousand miles

1280
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.720
up? Maybe? Could it be
less than a thousand miles up? Maybe?

1281
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:53.600
Don't know for sure. The rockets
that we've we've fired up there.

1282
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:56.239
You know, the highest amateur one
that I think everyone went up was less

1283
01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.960
than seventy miles. Uh, you
know, a getting it if commercial trapp

1284
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.199
if if the average if of the
population doesn't even go up to ten miles,

1285
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:09.600
then how high you know, how
high do you have to make it

1286
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:12.840
to make it to pull it off? If only the military knows how high

1287
01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.680
it really is, then you can
you can keep it a secret for a

1288
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.880
pretty long time. That the reason
why our population has not figured this out,

1289
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.279
The biggest reason is because we don't
have flying cars. And by the

1290
01:24:23.319 --> 01:24:26.199
way, on the side note,
we're never gonna get flying cars. I'm

1291
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:29.600
not talking about the unified field cars. I'm talking about those pieces of crap

1292
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.800
giant drones that they're talking about,
which is basically just a helicopter right with

1293
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.119
a whole bunch of little wings.
It's like, no, dude, again,

1294
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:40.600
fail army. You want you want
to see why we're never gonna have

1295
01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:45.640
flying cars, type in car fail
into YouTube and watch an hour worth of

1296
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:49.640
what happens, and then you're gonna
tell me you're gonna give that same population

1297
01:24:50.560 --> 01:24:58.239
three d flying No. No,
I mean, come on, we can't.

1298
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:00.439
We can't stop people from drinking and
driving. No, you would have

1299
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:05.000
these things fallen in your backyard people
backyard. Oh yeah, it would be

1300
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:09.960
the crashes, and plus you're guaranteeing
fatalities. Yeah, I mean, and

1301
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:14.880
the collateral damage would be horrible.
So yeah, anyway, if we had

1302
01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:17.920
flying cars, if we had unified
field cars like UFOs, then yeah,

1303
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:20.319
we figured it out. And I
also, by the way, think I

1304
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:26.119
don't know if you're a biblical guy
necessarily, but the Tower of Babble story

1305
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:28.800
one of the shortest stories in the
history of stories. But I you know,

1306
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:31.439
I expanded on it in The Clues, which was I think the one

1307
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:36.960
that the very very early version of
us was too good in that that,

1308
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:43.479
Okay, we made a completely unified
people that had a single goal and hide

1309
01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:46.560
intelligence, high degree of engineering,
and they figured out what this world was

1310
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:50.039
immediately, And what do you think
that they did. It's like, oh,

1311
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:56.279
yeah, so we need to go
up there. Forget about the flying

1312
01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:00.479
cars. We're gonna build a freaking
bridge to have it, you know,

1313
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:02.920
to get out of here. And
again, I love the story because it

1314
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:06.800
rings so true because whoever was overseeing
the world, let's say it was God

1315
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:14.720
or one of God's subcontractors. It's
looking down going crap, it's not gonna

1316
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.800
work. They're gonna make it.
Yeah, we've already done the math.

1317
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:20.520
It's not gonna take very long.
So okay, scattered scatter, scatter,

1318
01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:26.640
languages, languages, get rid of
that. Toower. We gotta we gotta

1319
01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:30.359
redo this because it was so But
but yeah, if we had flying cars,

1320
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:32.960
I think every I think every civilization
has their chance, and ours was

1321
01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:39.399
one of the slower ones. Because
if you remove the unified field engine out

1322
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:43.359
of the equation, which is the
UFO engine, right, which doesn't need

1323
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:45.840
aerodynamics, right, it just goes, you know, like an etch a

1324
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:49.079
sketch. You can go any any
direction it wants at just about any speed,

1325
01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:53.840
and it doesn't matter if it's underwater. It would replace all vehicles,

1326
01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.960
see with ours. The reason why
it's so slow is we have to have

1327
01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:59.239
a vehicle for just about everything we
do. Right. We have cars,

1328
01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:02.279
we have airplanes, of submarines,
we have big trucks, we have tankers,

1329
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:06.159
we have all. With the UFO, just one engine, make it

1330
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:09.439
any size you want, you can
do anything you can want. Plus you

1331
01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:12.239
can weaponize it on top of it. So if we had one of those

1332
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.560
yeah, we'd figure out this place
really really quick, but we didn't.

1333
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:18.159
And five thousand years later, I
think we're just about there. Yeah.

1334
01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:20.479
And by the way, you know
why, I think that the biggest,

1335
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:24.920
the biggest thing that did it for
us. The reason why it got so

1336
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:28.640
easy to detect, why you couldn't
detect it thirty years ago, which came

1337
01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.960
now, which is why most people
got into flat earth, was HD technology.

1338
01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:34.560
That was that was the big thing, which was you could see HD

1339
01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:40.640
cameras. Who would have thought cameras
that you could see further than you should

1340
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.159
be able to And people understood that. It took him a little while,

1341
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:45.239
and so you know, looking at
it's like, hey, you see that

1342
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:51.319
boat. Yeah, you shouldn't be
able to really, And and then I

1343
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:55.079
mean I didn't tell aid and the
clues. You know, I'm not going

1344
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.920
to take credit for it. Nowhere
any point in the clues that I tell

1345
01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:01.439
people to run to the beach and
start shooting long distance photography. And that's

1346
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.319
what so many people did. And
they would call me, and then again

1347
01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:06.000
why they told me. It's like, oh, yeah, that Lauren a

1348
01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:10.199
Lando ferguson map, you can't use
it? And I go why because it's

1349
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:13.520
tabletop flat like a really and they
go, yeah, I go, how

1350
01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.520
do you know? It's because we
were shooting over water and I go,

1351
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:18.199
and water it's flat. It's like
I had to learn all these things from

1352
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.640
from observers. They were right out
and doing this on their own. I

1353
01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:25.359
didn't even know where the inspiration came
from, but it spread really really fast.

1354
01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:30.079
Indeed, indeed it did. Where
was my next question here? Actually,

1355
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.279
let's do another. And by the
way, thanks for that question,

1356
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.319
brother. He's gonna be on the
on the podcast and I look forward to

1357
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:42.920
that. Next one is a good
friend of the podcast, Jim. Hey,

1358
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.880
George, I got I got something
from Mark Sergeant. I'm a fan.

1359
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:50.640
You know, I don't remember who
I started listening to first for Flat

1360
01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:54.880
Earth, but I know, I
know, I know Mark Sergeant was in

1361
01:28:54.920 --> 01:29:00.239
there. And uh, you know, I just want to say, because

1362
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.159
he's a humble guy, and I
know he don't like to take credit for

1363
01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:06.359
anything. Half the time. It's
see, it seems like when people try

1364
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:10.840
to give him some credit, he
you know, he's just a humble guy.

1365
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:13.640
And I love him for it,
and I'm proud of him for it.

1366
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.840
I think it's I think his attitude
is awesome. I just want to

1367
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:21.560
say that I appreciate his humor and
the way he handles conversations. You know,

1368
01:29:21.680 --> 01:29:26.399
humor in a flat earth conversation is
awesome to me. I laugh about

1369
01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:30.359
it all the time. It just, I don't know, keeps it keeps

1370
01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.760
you from being crazy about it.
It's just a look at the humor side

1371
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.079
of it. And I know what
I got a minute, So I just

1372
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:40.239
want to say, appreciate you,
Mark, and I like the way you

1373
01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:45.920
throw in humor on different things,
and and we appreciate you. I'm out

1374
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:48.039
there. You go, brother,
Well that's awfully nice. First, I

1375
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:55.640
wonder if he has a like a
lifetime members ship to NASCAR. The second,

1376
01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.640
let's see the humbled part. It's
like bow jown, lowly dog.

1377
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:04.680
How dare you say I'm humble?
Yeah. I give credit where credit is

1378
01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:08.800
due and I try not to take
a credit when and Flatters has really changed

1379
01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:12.840
that for me. Flatters has changed
my attitude toward love things. Well,

1380
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.399
one would be I'm never gonna do
anything malicious to him, but he ever

1381
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:21.399
again, mostly because now that I
know that we're living in some sort of

1382
01:30:21.479 --> 01:30:29.119
structure, the high degree that we're
being watched you know, it's like,

1383
01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.279
you know, someone's got an eye
on you, maybe not necessarily hovering over

1384
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:35.079
you, but definitely apparent on the
sofa looking over the top of the newspaper

1385
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:42.560
type of thing. It's like,
what are they doing right? And what

1386
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.800
was ther thing? He said,
Oh, adding humor to it. Yeah,

1387
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:49.640
if I'm not laughing, I'm crying. So there's there's a lot of

1388
01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:54.920
bad things in the world, but
I think there's a lot of very humorous

1389
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:59.359
things in the world. And I
try to find the silver lining whenever possible,

1390
01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:00.880
and if that comes off is humor, then that's what it is.

1391
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:06.000
Try to the tension in movies.
I love tension breakers. I love it

1392
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:12.119
when the movie's super supertense and then
somebody comes in and figures out a way

1393
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.920
to break the ice, you know, And usually that's just a little perspective

1394
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:19.159
thing, you know, some some
little name, some small comment that out

1395
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:24.920
of nowhere that people are like,
okay, okay, now we can now

1396
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:30.479
we can kind of move forward without
you know, dreading the worst. Granted

1397
01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:31.680
the powers that be, and you
know, people talk about, you know,

1398
01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:36.079
in the last three years we've we've
been through and the great reset that

1399
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:41.239
people talk to talk about all the
time. Don't forget that there's still I

1400
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.479
still believe in the plan, you
know. I still believe in the design

1401
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:50.760
and everything for a reason. So
whatever's happening to us now, Yeah,

1402
01:31:50.840 --> 01:31:54.680
it doesn't seem like a lot of
fun, but there's got to be a

1403
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:57.840
reason for it. I don't believe
in randomness. I believe in the the

1404
01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:00.840
Einstein quote from years ago, which
is, and I won't go into it

1405
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.479
too much necessarily, which is that
God doesn't play dice. And I get

1406
01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:09.600
that. I get that more than
anyone, and it took me a long

1407
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:13.920
time to figure that out. But
the short version is is that there's a

1408
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:17.800
plan here. So we thank you. I appreciate, I appreciate the compliments

1409
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.760
and thank you for that. And
I'm not I'm not going to take credit

1410
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:24.640
for much pay I can only tell
you that I was there in the beginning

1411
01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:30.359
with two other guys, Eric to
Bay and Matt Boylan, and the three

1412
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.680
of us we did not see eye
to eye at all because they're completely different

1413
01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:42.279
personalities. Matt was basically insane and
Eric was and is. He doesn't like

1414
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:46.399
sharing anything with anybody, so if
you're not with him, you're against him,

1415
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:49.079
and I know how that goes.
And I'm saying, all right,

1416
01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:56.000
then we're gonna be at odds and
he's gonna spoil things by saying that I'm

1417
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.119
a government agent for the last eight
years and he is never backed down from

1418
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:00.960
that, and for eight years.
You know, I keep saying, a

1419
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:04.159
fine, prove it, prove it. You're saying this. You live in

1420
01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:08.439
freaking Thailand. How do you know
that I'm a government agent? What proof

1421
01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:12.079
do you have? What video?
What audio? What email? And the

1422
01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:14.520
only reason he said, I was
there when we came up with I've got

1423
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:16.760
the email from Matt Boyland. They
said, look, you're with us or

1424
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:20.039
we are going to discredit you.
I still got the email from twenty fifteen,

1425
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:25.079
and you know, and real quick, which there was a little thing

1426
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:30.840
that happened in the the Netflix documentary
which most people missed, which was there

1427
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.920
was one hundred and something seats in
the back of that that first conference that

1428
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:41.880
were empty and it's nonrefundable conference,
right people paid, it was sold out.

1429
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:47.000
And what happened was Eric Debay convinced
odd you know odd reality channel.

1430
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:50.399
He convinced, He's like, tell
your guys, whoever we think they're gonna

1431
01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:55.079
go to the conference to not go
because it's just government agents. It's all

1432
01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:58.479
anyone on stage and its government agents. And I'll be damned if those people

1433
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:00.880
burned those hundreds at all, you
know, each one of them, and

1434
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:04.279
they did not go wow, And
it was just this little thing. And

1435
01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:09.800
it's like, but it's the power
of the power of media and the power

1436
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.760
of persuasion. It's like, all
right, so Eric, I don't know,

1437
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:14.680
I don't know how he does it. But Eric's channel, I mean,

1438
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:19.079
he's been burned down several times.
It keeps coming back. Get I've

1439
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:24.920
I've I've never for me. I
don't have a personal beef with the guy.

1440
01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:28.720
I just don't like, you know, I told him, And come

1441
01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:30.239
on, every producer has told me. It's like, you can't make a

1442
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.880
whole bunch of flatter videos and the
make a video called Adolf Hitler's the greatest

1443
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:38.680
guy in the world. You can't
do that. You can't mix the two.

1444
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:42.600
There's it's never gonna go well.
And then you act surprised. It's

1445
01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.039
like, oh, why was my
channel destroyed by YouTube? A gonna start

1446
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:48.039
up another one do the same thing, and he like today he's got like

1447
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:54.000
one hundred and ninety thousands ups like, al right, wow, you want

1448
01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:57.920
to keep doing the same thing,
That's fine, I'm just warning you the

1449
01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:00.039
producers. He well, sorry,
last thing. I'm on that point.

1450
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:03.239
He was supposed to be I'm sure
he's been told this. He was supposed

1451
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:06.359
to be in behind the curve.
Absolutely was supposed to be in it,

1452
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:11.199
and not not because of me,
because of the producers. Okay. And

1453
01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:14.239
and once they I go, and
I was the one that showed it to

1454
01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:15.760
him, I'm going, well,
and they they said, does anybody have

1455
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:19.079
skeletons in their closet? I go, well, you might as well know,

1456
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:23.239
you know. And I threw him
the you know in all Hitler video

1457
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:27.359
and they and they said, is
there any chance we can get him to

1458
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:30.600
pull that down on? Nope,
not for this project. He's not.

1459
01:35:31.600 --> 01:35:34.399
And he didn't. And every producer
since then, in fact, one of

1460
01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:39.199
them said, look, you may
want to call him and tell him and

1461
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:43.680
say, no, producer, you
know when you go up the chain of

1462
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:47.600
producers, no, no, no
project's going to work with you because of

1463
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.319
what you're doing with that. And
I said, it's not going to do

1464
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:54.479
me any good. Tell him.
He already knows. So anyway, there

1465
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:59.600
you go appreciate that I do have
two more questions left. One is something

1466
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:04.880
that I was I get a lot
of these emails that say my life was

1467
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:09.840
wayward, I had turned from God. I was doing this, doing that,

1468
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:14.920
and it's incredible to see that people
come across, whether it's the podcast

1469
01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:19.800
or your channel. I get so
many messages where Flat Earth completely changes people's

1470
01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:25.920
lives to where they're brought back to
God and there they're living their lives different.

1471
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:30.079
And that is the most powerful,
humbling. When I open up those

1472
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.439
emails, I get teared up to
think that I'm just some guy in Delaware

1473
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:39.239
raises chickens, you know, put
this podcast together. And and for me,

1474
01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:41.880
that's why I had to do this
podcast separately. I told you in

1475
01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:45.600
the beginning. It was divisive on
that, but it was such a passion

1476
01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:48.920
to me that I had to do
a separate podcast, and obviously that was

1477
01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:53.319
God's plan for me. And now
I'm doing this and we get emails all

1478
01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:56.439
the time, and I can only
imagine how many messages you get about how

1479
01:36:56.479 --> 01:37:00.199
you've changed people's lives. Yeah,
over the years, and it's not again,

1480
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.079
it's not me. I did not
change people's lives. I am not

1481
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:06.920
a part time cult leader, even
though even though we have all the earmarks

1482
01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:10.720
of it, which is really weird. I'm really surprised the media hasn't jumped

1483
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:14.479
on it because but I suppose because
we don't have the flags that go with

1484
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.520
it, meaning we don't have a
compound or a Bible or hobes or chanting.

1485
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:23.199
You know this, you know the
conferences, and I'm really surprised more

1486
01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:27.319
people haven't said that. However,
to your point about religion, very very

1487
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:30.800
true. Over the years, I
have had so many people. In fact,

1488
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.640
I'll give you a quick story.
Before the pandemic, we were doing

1489
01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:41.359
Christian flat Earth conferences, right,
and I wasn't even invited to speak at

1490
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:45.840
most of those because I didn't quote
enough chapter in verse A right. Most

1491
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.720
of the conferences we go to.
We knew we were doing something right when

1492
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:53.640
after the first conference, half of
the people said it was too Christian.

1493
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:57.880
The other half said it wasn't Christian
enough. It's like, okay, so

1494
01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.880
we we we apparently were right down
the middle there. But there was this

1495
01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:05.279
take on the world conference. They've
done for a number of years before the

1496
01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:11.199
pandemic, and I remember they're doing
this this roundtable. Towards the end,

1497
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:14.359
and Rick Hummer relayed the story to
me. The guy's m seeing the Las

1498
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:18.000
Vegas conference and he goes somebody.
I don't know if it was Rob Scheba,

1499
01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.720
Robbie Davidson or one of the other
guys, but they all everyone was

1500
01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:27.960
in agreement. They go, we
have never seen any device or tool that

1501
01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:32.840
has brought more people back to the
church than flat earthised. No single thing

1502
01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.800
has been able to do this.
And the reason is is it gives people

1503
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:44.840
that extra persue per single digit percentage
points that reinforces their faith that they may

1504
01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:48.760
have lost or fallen away from.
So if you were ninety percent sure,

1505
01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:51.960
you know ninety percent in the camp, it's like, yes, you know,

1506
01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:56.319
you know I you know I believe
in God or high power or whatever,

1507
01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:01.119
you know, whatever denomination. You're
looking at this just by the default

1508
01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:05.199
structure of it, meaning if we're
in some sort of building, then it

1509
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:11.279
was built. It was created.
Now you may not know exactly who the

1510
01:39:11.359 --> 01:39:16.800
creator is exactly, or or or
the reason behinding behind it, but it

1511
01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:20.560
gets you one step closer. You
know. The joking and the humor I

1512
01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:24.640
would throw out at people that I
would say, it's like, yeah,

1513
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:28.279
you don't know, you don't know
who exactly built it. It could be

1514
01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:30.479
one of God, you know,
could be God directly, it could be

1515
01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:33.359
one of God's sub contractors. But
the very least you're one st that you're

1516
01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:36.439
one step closer to figuring out God's
phone number. Right, You're one degree

1517
01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:42.439
closer, And that was enough for
most people. They're like beforehand, they're

1518
01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:44.600
like, oh, yeah, I'm
in now, you know, because it

1519
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:46.920
remember I was telling about the how
it shrunked down the universe. Yeah,

1520
01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:55.000
if the universe gets shrunk down too, what's essentially a giant garden of Eden,

1521
01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:57.560
right, I mean, it's just
a big, big garden of Eden

1522
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:01.159
version. Let's face it, the
world without people is actually a really nice

1523
01:40:01.159 --> 01:40:06.159
place. People screw it up.
Take people with the equation works pretty well,

1524
01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.680
I mean as far as they know. Again not to steal that line

1525
01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:14.279
from the matrix, but you know
everything natural equilibrium is in there, except

1526
01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:18.039
when you throw people in and then
it just turns into a nightmare. So

1527
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:23.199
yeah, I got tons of those
emails along those lines where people we were

1528
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:26.359
so happy and they weren't thanking me
so much as they were I mean they

1529
01:40:26.399 --> 01:40:29.640
thanked me for the way I explained
it, but that they were so happy

1530
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.000
that the concept was put out there, and I would try to remind them.

1531
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:35.560
And I think Rob Skiba did as
well in his website, which I

1532
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.399
highly recommend to people. If you're
a Christian out there and you want to,

1533
01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:42.960
you know, go to testing the
Globe dot com, which is so

1534
01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:45.920
wonderful. And I'm so glad it's
still up and his wife is keeping it

1535
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:49.079
there after his untimely passing. Yeah, but he was the first guy to

1536
01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:51.640
go through it back in twenty fifteen. He went through the Bible with a

1537
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:56.279
fine tooth comb. It's awesome.
Wait, and he came back almost immediately

1538
01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.279
and said, yeah, it's a
flat earth book. The Bible's a flat

1539
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:03.279
earth freaking book with one exception,
which was he and he found it so

1540
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:08.239
fascinating. He said, Isaiah forty
twenty two, He who sitteth upon the

1541
01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:11.399
circle of the earth, he goes. But circle is not ball, it's

1542
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:14.720
not spear, it's not glow,
and ancient Hebrew it is not the same

1543
01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:17.000
word he goes, but he goes. I have talked to so many pastors

1544
01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:23.479
that hang on to Isaiah twenty two
by their fingernails, and like it has

1545
01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:28.880
veto power over everything else. It's
like, really over Genesis. You know,

1546
01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:30.279
you're gonna you're gonna use this over
Genesis. It's like, yeah,

1547
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:34.119
one shouldn't have more weight than the
other, but they do. And but

1548
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:39.199
it's mostly the fear. You know, most most pastors they're they're scared.

1549
01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:41.239
You know, they don't want to
You don't want to come on, you

1550
01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:43.239
don't want to sit up in front
of a congregation of I don't know,

1551
01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:45.359
two, three hundred and five hundred
people, depending on what group you're looking

1552
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:50.920
at, and say, okay,
so we're going back to the flat model

1553
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:57.560
because people mainstream has sunk their claws
into so many of the people that they

1554
01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:00.680
they're afraid of the backlash, kind
of like you when you got those emails.

1555
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:04.560
Yeah, so yeah, but I
love I love the spirituality aspect of

1556
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:10.000
it again, the fact that that
it turned me to where again, I

1557
01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:13.920
will not do anything malicious to anybody
else. Now that doesn't mean I won't

1558
01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:15.680
defend myself, you know, Second
Amendment, you know, gun controls using

1559
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:19.560
two hands. But uh, but
at the same time, I'm not going

1560
01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:24.319
to go out of my way to
to I don't troll people. I don't

1561
01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:29.439
even donew practical jokes on people.
So I hate I hate practical jokes,

1562
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:33.800
don't I don't like. Yeah,
and you get those emails. It's and

1563
01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:38.439
again it's the flatter It wasn't George
that change these people's lives. It was

1564
01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:44.039
them finding flat earth and them realizing
that. Yeah, and they had to

1565
01:42:44.079 --> 01:42:46.399
thank honestly, they had to thank
somebody. So it's like they send me

1566
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:49.359
emails or whoever was. And I'm
sure lots of other people, you know,

1567
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:53.920
even the people that that don't quote
religious stuff. I will say this

1568
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.399
though, I was one of the
I was the first guy to delve into

1569
01:42:57.439 --> 01:43:00.680
the religious side because the Christian community
was writing me almost immediately as I was

1570
01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:05.960
doing the clues, and they said, you are you are dancing around the

1571
01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:10.520
God aspect of it too much.
You've got you've got to address it.

1572
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:12.680
And at that point, I said, well, I was already in you

1573
01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:15.079
know, on my list anyway,
so I'm going to bump it up.

1574
01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:18.800
And I made a clue called they
are hiding God absolutely, and uh it

1575
01:43:19.079 --> 01:43:24.640
was. It got it was received
extremely well, and I but I really

1576
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:27.600
I wanted to do it in a
different way. So I did something kind

1577
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:30.239
of unique, and I was kind
of hoping that that that somebody else would

1578
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:34.800
touch upon it. You know,
I stretched the tower of Babbel's story into

1579
01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:39.279
the way I would see it if
I wrote it as like a screenplay.

1580
01:43:39.479 --> 01:43:42.399
Gotcha, And and I thought it. I thought I worked pretty well.

1581
01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.239
So anyway, I'm glad. I
was glad that people enjoyed it. Awesome.

1582
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:48.399
Thank you for that last and thank
You've been very generous with your time.

1583
01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:57.319
I really appreciate I'm good, appreciate
you. The big question, well,

1584
01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.520
you know why the lie is the
big question. But you know we

1585
01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:03.039
we've everybody kind of knows that.
But who do you believe the hidden hands

1586
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:06.119
or the controllers are the people at
the very top of the food chain here

1587
01:44:06.199 --> 01:44:11.479
on earth that are pulling all the
strings that are responsible for what you've seen

1588
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.800
over the last three years and and
for heliocentrism and everything that does hide god

1589
01:44:17.439 --> 01:44:21.760
Oprah Winfrey correct, that's not true. Uh, good night, everybody,

1590
01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:28.439
great show. Uh No, the
you know that is that is a question

1591
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:31.119
that I have I have posed for
a number of years too. I've thrown

1592
01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:35.560
back at people. I go.
The great thing about true power if you

1593
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:40.560
know how to wield it is that
the rules are very very simple, which

1594
01:44:40.600 --> 01:44:45.199
is true. Power stays hidden,
you cannot be And that's the line from

1595
01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:47.439
Napoleon, which I thought was great, prettyquotable guy, now as quotable as

1596
01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:55.000
Einstein, but still pretty quotable.
He said that, uh, he goes,

1597
01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:58.319
they cannot he goes. Never put
yourself in a position where you can

1598
01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:01.359
be overthrown, all right, And
that was the curse of what he had

1599
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:05.039
to live with. He was a
military general, he was a dictator,

1600
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:11.000
and people knew who he was the
person you want to be. The curse

1601
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:15.960
of being the puppet master is you
can't also be in the limelight, so

1602
01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:18.800
you can't run the puppets and also
tell people you're running the puppets, because

1603
01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:23.199
then you're also people. Again,
people know who you are. They can't

1604
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:29.640
get you if they can't see you. So kings and queens and presidents and

1605
01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:31.399
people like that. Anybody can be
overthrown if you know who they are.

1606
01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:35.359
That's the whole point once because they're
everyone's at that level of power is worried

1607
01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:40.199
about the mob. There was an
old quote and or a metaphor where they

1608
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:46.479
said the general population is like this
giant, dimwitted, lumbering beast that you

1609
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:51.079
absolutely did not want to get its
gaze on you. You know, you

1610
01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:56.880
want to give it somewhat contend,
but do not. If you're gonna tack

1611
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:00.159
it off, make sure it's not
going your way. And the only way

1612
01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:03.600
to make sure is that they can't
see you if you're invisible. So long

1613
01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:09.399
way around to this to answering this
question. That being said, people are

1614
01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:12.920
all sorts of theories out there.
If you ask the average conspiracy person to

1615
01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:16.319
ask, you know, it's what's
what's your top twenty in order of importance

1616
01:46:16.600 --> 01:46:20.119
the groups out there that are controlling
the world. You're never gonna get the

1617
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:23.880
same twenty from people, and there's
gonna be heated to arguments. It's like,

1618
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:27.279
okay, you know, is it
the Rothchilds, the Builderbergs, the

1619
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:31.680
CFR, the tri Laterals, the
Masons, the Vatican, the it just

1620
01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:34.399
goes on and on and on.
Right, there's also you know the skull

1621
01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:38.880
and bones. I mean, which
you want to do is you want to

1622
01:46:38.920 --> 01:46:42.000
find the oldest group. The oldest
group is probably one that's running at the

1623
01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:44.720
most. I mean, people say, well, is the rothchilds Now the

1624
01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:48.560
roth Child's really got their big claim
to power twelfth. Yeah, yeah,

1625
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:53.319
well after after Waterloo, absolutely they
you know, which was a great scamp.

1626
01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:58.680
Oh god, that was a great
Indian, so freaking brilliant. But

1627
01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:00.600
again that's that's fairly new money in
the grands game, the thame. So

1628
01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:03.720
when people talking about oh, Bill
Kates and Jeff Beatles, and I'm going

1629
01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:08.319
that money is so new, the
ink is still drying, you know.

1630
01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:12.159
By comparison, I go keep going
back even further than that. I mean

1631
01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:16.680
the Mason's. Yeah, they've been
around. The Mason's story goes actually all

1632
01:47:16.720 --> 01:47:19.720
the way back to the Masons and
the Vatican have been tied together for a

1633
01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:23.520
very very long time. You want
to look up stuff, look up the

1634
01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:28.359
Signet of Solomon or you know,
the Knights Templar, going all the way

1635
01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:31.199
back. But don't forget that the
Vatican was the one that ordered the Knights

1636
01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:34.640
Templar to look for the Ring of
Solomon's ring in the first place. By

1637
01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:38.000
the way, the Ring of Power
in the whole Lord of the Rings thing,

1638
01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.279
yeah not just a movie. He
was based off of something. It's

1639
01:47:41.319 --> 01:47:44.199
based off the freaking Solomon's Ring.
If you want to look it up.

1640
01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:47.439
Look at the signat of Solomon that
the magic ring allowed him to control demons,

1641
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:51.000
blue demons on top of it.
Brilliant. I mean, some some

1642
01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:58.840
wonderful stories there. But going back
you could probably again there's probably some rich

1643
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:01.000
and powerful families that are old Grope, but the Vatican has got to be

1644
01:48:01.039 --> 01:48:06.520
the oldest because it's the remnants of
the Roman Empire. Those guys, right,

1645
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:11.319
the empire that ran for a thousand
years, that ran for so long

1646
01:48:11.359 --> 01:48:14.960
they forgot who they were. They're
like, wait a minute, what was

1647
01:48:15.000 --> 01:48:18.359
our initial missage? Right, take
over the world? Right? Right?

1648
01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:21.520
Are we still doing that? You
know they didn't even know? And when

1649
01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:24.600
would? They had run it for
so long? For God's sex that the

1650
01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:28.479
Roman short sword for military people out
there, they used that for six hundred

1651
01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.399
years, never changed it. That's
how good they were, and they were

1652
01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:36.479
they were. They were humble enough
to absorb anything which I loved about them,

1653
01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:40.399
which was, you know, if
they came upon you know, they're

1654
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:43.359
conquering an army, they came upon
a catapult. There was a better design

1655
01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:45.640
than theirs. Hey you know what, that's new Roman catapult. That's what

1656
01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:49.079
we're using. Every other canapults they're
using those they absorbed like the borg.

1657
01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:51.920
They just they were they were,
they were really good. So if I

1658
01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:56.479
had to pick a power structure at
the very top, at least in men

1659
01:48:56.920 --> 01:49:00.439
humans, I would pick the bad
I can, you know, just because

1660
01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:04.760
they you know, they probably still
have this stuff from the Library of Alexandria,

1661
01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:10.199
you know, the good stuff that
I think they've probably got most of

1662
01:49:10.239 --> 01:49:14.640
the resources, and they probably don't
have to worry about money, you know,

1663
01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.680
you know, when you get up
at certain points, the money it's

1664
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:20.000
just a number, you know.
It's it's not a question of if you

1665
01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:25.239
can buy something, it's if you
can topple economies and change the world markets.

1666
01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:30.840
Do I think there are other beings
out there that have influence, Yes,

1667
01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:35.880
But I'm cautious and saying who or
why, because I think there's rules

1668
01:49:35.920 --> 01:49:39.920
to this place. I want to
drag I want to drag this out.

1669
01:49:40.399 --> 01:49:45.079
But I'll tell a story really quick
about the greatest UFOs sighting of all time.

1670
01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:47.199
Was not Roswell, and it wasn't
Aurora, Texas or anything like that.

1671
01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:50.279
It was fifteen sixty one Nuremberg,
Germany. You can look it up

1672
01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:55.880
the keep page on it, which
was fifteen sixty one, two giant space

1673
01:49:56.000 --> 01:50:00.560
arm modas just came into a beautiful
April sky and hammered each other over Nuremberg,

1674
01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:05.119
Germany for a straight hour. And
then a third faction showed up at

1675
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:11.880
a giant, single black angular craft
and chased them away and then went off

1676
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:14.680
on its own. And that raised
so many questions. I mean, of

1677
01:50:14.720 --> 01:50:16.479
course, there was no science fiction
back then, so they had no context.

1678
01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:19.359
They thought it was a ruling,
but and the in fact they drew

1679
01:50:19.399 --> 01:50:21.520
it. I mean, yeah,
there was no photography in sixty one,

1680
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:26.159
but an hour is plenty of time
for any even the worst sketch artist,

1681
01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:29.960
to sketch the whole thing while they
while they're having toast and schnitzen, Globin

1682
01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:33.600
goes this first thing in the mord. The question is, okay, who

1683
01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:36.600
are these first two guys, right? Who and why were they fighting?

1684
01:50:38.119 --> 01:50:41.399
And who's again? Who's there was
a power structure here, you know,

1685
01:50:41.640 --> 01:50:45.039
obviously they weren't supposed to be fighting
because the third group were they the cops?

1686
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:47.920
The big black craft? Were they
the un Who the hell were they?

1687
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:50.199
And what was the response time?
It took him an hour. I

1688
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:54.039
could shoot a gun outside this window. There's gonna be people here in under

1689
01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:59.079
ten minutes for sure, And yet
you've got you've got full blown flying aircraft

1690
01:50:59.159 --> 01:51:02.520
carriers just hammer each other for a
full hour. So what I'm getting at

1691
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:08.199
is there seems to be rules to
this place. Again, Do I think

1692
01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:11.119
there are civilizations that are older than
ourselves? Of course, I mean you

1693
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:13.760
don't have to watch ancient aliens to
figure it out. I mean, but

1694
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:17.239
they did help. But just come
on the Bossian Pyramids, the real pyramids,

1695
01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:20.880
Puma Punku, Machu Picchu. So
I can say he's off Japan,

1696
01:51:20.880 --> 01:51:25.079
so I can say he's off of
India. We are not the first group

1697
01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:29.880
to be here. Our unbroken history
only goes back five thousand years. So

1698
01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:34.119
I think there's probably a prime directive
in place, which is whoever's whoever graduates

1699
01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:38.760
from this you leave alone the surface
group because they want whoever it is.

1700
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:42.319
The rules is you got act naturally, right, So if you want to

1701
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:45.560
pick off some guys in a rowboat
or somebody in a forest or somebody in

1702
01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:47.279
a mountain, yeah, it's fine. You don't get to land in the

1703
01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:51.079
middle of Indiana, right and you
know, come out and start taking selfies.

1704
01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:56.119
That's not going to happen because you
can't. It's again prime directive.

1705
01:51:56.159 --> 01:52:00.239
I know I'm stealing from Star Trek, but it's absolutely true. You don't

1706
01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:01.560
want to you don't want to mess
with that flow. So I don't think.

1707
01:52:01.720 --> 01:52:03.680
Then again, people will say,
well, you know, it could

1708
01:52:03.680 --> 01:52:08.199
be demons at the top. It's
like, yeah, maybe maybe, but

1709
01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:10.479
only be one or two and you're
never going to figure out who they are.

1710
01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.359
If they were talking anybody, they're
probably talking to somebody in the Vatican

1711
01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:15.479
maybe, which is sort of ironic, don't you think, Yeah, since

1712
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:20.199
they have a telescope named Lucifer,
right, well yeah, or the fact

1713
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:24.239
that it's the freaking Vatican. You
know, if you have a bean,

1714
01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:27.199
it could be why the reason why
the Vatican came out not too long ago

1715
01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:30.359
and said, oh, you know, we wouldn't have any problem with aliens

1716
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:31.960
and the whole alien concept. It's
like, wow, it seems like an

1717
01:52:31.960 --> 01:52:34.920
odd thing to throw off, right, So do I think? But two

1718
01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:40.279
things real quick before we go.
Do I think that there will be some

1719
01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:44.520
sort of alien agenda, introduction of
a new you know, old civilization you're

1720
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:45.840
painted you know, Project Blue Beam
or however you want to do it.

1721
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:49.520
Sure that seems like the logical step
where we're going there. We're trying to

1722
01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:54.920
escalate things. We're in an undeclared
war with Russia. We have been for

1723
01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:59.279
some time using Ukraine as a proxy. Could Russia is not going for it.

1724
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:03.279
We're trying to kick in a big
reset. Russia is playing the reluctant

1725
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:09.439
villain. Kudos to them for not
falling for all the tricks that we're doing.

1726
01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:13.359
But oh my god, it's getting
ridiculous out there. But I also

1727
01:53:13.439 --> 01:53:16.239
think that the one of the reasons
what might happen. It's like, Okay,

1728
01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:18.720
what do you expect? What's the
goal here? You know what happens

1729
01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:23.239
when so many people figure out about
flat Earth. For me, it's not

1730
01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:26.560
just the hundredth monkey effect, which
I do believe and look it up if

1731
01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:30.199
you get a chance. You you
know about the hundredth monkey effects. I

1732
01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.520
don't recall it hundred real quick,
which is an automatic update for a species.

1733
01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:38.399
So the scientist, again, we
didn't figure it out scientists. Scientists

1734
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:41.680
did where they were feeding potatoes to
monkeys on the beach, and some monkeys

1735
01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:44.039
were figuring out that if you wash
the potatoes in the sand, you know,

1736
01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:45.880
in the water, you can get
the sand off at a taste a

1737
01:53:45.880 --> 01:53:49.079
little bit. You don't have to
eat sand. What happened was about the

1738
01:53:49.199 --> 01:53:51.920
hundredth monkey and people in sciences backbelly, so, oh, it's a myth.

1739
01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:55.000
It's like you guys were the ones
that figured it out. Don't tell

1740
01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:56.920
me it's a myth. You just
don't want to admit what it is,

1741
01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:01.000
which was once again to about the
hundredth monkey. All the monkeys knew it,

1742
01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:04.960
meaning it's not like they were watching
each other to learn it. They

1743
01:54:05.039 --> 01:54:09.439
all it was a mass monkey update. In fact, it wasn't just an

1744
01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:14.119
update on that island. It was
every monkey in the island's plural, all

1745
01:54:14.159 --> 01:54:15.439
of them, even monkeys there were
there were watering you know, kud and

1746
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:20.000
I absolutely we're disconnected from each other. All the monkeys now instinctively learned.

1747
01:54:20.000 --> 01:54:24.399
It's like, oh, beneficial upgrade, totally see that. So is it

1748
01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:28.920
possible that humans could run into that
same situation where if enough people kind of

1749
01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:33.039
figured out where this was, then
with something like and I'll just throw out

1750
01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:36.640
a term, the Babel, I'll
call it the Babel protocol. How's that?

1751
01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:41.239
So with the Tower of Babel,
right, it was like it kicked

1752
01:54:41.279 --> 01:54:45.119
in immediately and afterwards like okay,
so we need to put something in the

1753
01:54:45.159 --> 01:54:49.920
later civilization or this ever, a
threshold has to be put in to where

1754
01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:55.159
if enough people figured out and start
looking out, it's like, oh yeah,

1755
01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:59.039
I see what's going on here.
If enough people you know, population

1756
01:54:59.119 --> 01:55:02.640
figured out, then God has to
step in or you know, God's subcontractors

1757
01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:05.880
have to step in, or the
caretakers or whoever, and say, okay,

1758
01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:11.079
next we gotta well, we gotta
rotate over to the next, the

1759
01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:14.600
next group. Because I do think
that it is kind of like a school

1760
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:18.920
senior class thing where we eventually the
this this civilization has to graduate like anybody

1761
01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:24.720
else. And as with any graduating
class, it's the line you don't have

1762
01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:26.680
to go home, but you gotta
get the hell out of here, everybody,

1763
01:55:26.720 --> 01:55:29.880
because we had another class come.
So it's like, Okay, you're

1764
01:55:29.880 --> 01:55:31.720
gonna go subterraineing, or you're gonna
go off to another continant, you're gonna

1765
01:55:31.720 --> 01:55:34.880
go outside the dome or whatever it
is. That's that's what I'm that's my

1766
01:55:35.039 --> 01:55:38.680
ultimate goal. That's what I'm gunning
for, because why not. It's like,

1767
01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:41.279
God, We've taken this as far
as we're gonna take it. We've

1768
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:44.960
taken to the nth degree. There's
nothing new here. So there you go,

1769
01:55:45.720 --> 01:55:46.800
well done. Where can people find
you? Are you? Are you

1770
01:55:46.880 --> 01:55:53.279
doing shows on Tuesday night? Yeah? I just did one last last night.

1771
01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:58.119
Yeah, so the reruns around my
channel. I'm not going to give

1772
01:55:58.159 --> 01:56:00.319
out all the social media stuff because
I don't run most of it, so

1773
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:02.840
I don't even know what's out there. Okay, no worries, but but

1774
01:56:03.000 --> 01:56:06.920
I no, no, it's it's
fine. The two things I want to

1775
01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:11.840
encourage. If you want to find
my stuff, just go to the Just

1776
01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:15.319
type in flat Earth mark into any
search engine. You will find me.

1777
01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:16.840
You'll eventually find the rabbit holes.
They'll get to me. I don't care

1778
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:21.199
how you get there. Eventually you'll
get there. The other thing, which

1779
01:56:21.319 --> 01:56:25.720
is you've got up on your screen
if you haven't done it already, you

1780
01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:28.920
know, because we David and his
guys worked really really hard on as the

1781
01:56:29.079 --> 01:56:32.479
flatterth sun Mon and Zodia clock app. He's done it amazingly well. Because

1782
01:56:32.560 --> 01:56:35.640
it's visual, you know, it's
people at picture is worth a thousand words

1783
01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:38.800
and I have used it myself.
It's like people will say, well,

1784
01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:41.359
what's it look like you know,
I can describe an audio all day long.

1785
01:56:41.680 --> 01:56:45.239
It's like it looks like this here, and I regret it. I

1786
01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:47.600
did not have it for like the
first year at the app out I felt

1787
01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:49.239
bad. It's like, yeah,
I'll get it, I'll get it,

1788
01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:51.279
and then finally I got It's like, oh man, I should have always

1789
01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:56.279
had this, so and and and
last, last, but not least.

1790
01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.239
If you guys are looking, you
know, there's meetups. We do meetups

1791
01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:01.680
in different parts of the country and
different countries all the time. But the

1792
01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:05.079
big conference this year is gonna be
in Las Vegas. So if you're curious,

1793
01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:10.840
just type in flat Toberfest twenty twenty
three or flatterth Conference Las Vegas,

1794
01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:16.439
or I think the official website is
what it is, just flatter Festivals dot

1795
01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:19.880
com. There you go, Yeah, flatterth Festivals dot com. And so

1796
01:57:20.079 --> 01:57:23.920
you can check out. I'm I'm
opening. David Whites will be there from

1797
01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:27.079
the app I'm sure he's brought that
up to you, Jarring from Jarinism,

1798
01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:29.600
Dave Murphy and a whole bunch of
other people wits. It's going to be

1799
01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:33.560
there, maybe making some people cry. It'll be awesome and make sure yeah,

1800
01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:35.720
there we go. Well, because
he he debates people, and people

1801
01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:39.840
people cry when they debate him.
Yeah, so what so I was just

1802
01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:43.239
gonna tell the folks from mind then
we're I just had David on I think

1803
01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.520
ten days ago, and we're number
nine on the referral list. So make

1804
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:49.399
sure you use f you are already
number nine in like less than two weeks.

1805
01:57:50.560 --> 01:57:54.680
Yeah. Wow, that's pretty good. So guys, fe files for

1806
01:57:54.760 --> 01:58:00.039
the Fast. I don't get any
referrals from from that because I always is

1807
01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.239
announce it on my my podcast and
I try to work it into interviews.

1808
01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:04.960
So yeah, it's great. I
have it, my wife has it.

1809
01:58:05.039 --> 01:58:08.960
We gift it to people because you
can't, like you said, you can't.

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01:58:09.079 --> 01:58:13.479
Dev it's great, it's it's cool, it's a it's a cool visual

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01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:15.680
thing and people get it again.
All you have to do is show them

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01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:18.439
a single image. And the reason
it's the challenge I'll put that. Let's

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01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:20.760
end with this, the challenge I
put out to trolls. The reason why

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01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:25.319
we keep growing the way we do
and we keep winning by attrition is because

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01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:28.600
the model that you're looking at on
the screen, you know, the like

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01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:34.680
the app model right there, It's
easier to explain exponentially easier to explain than

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01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:39.159
the solar system model it is,
and which I throw that of science.

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01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:43.760
I go, look on, with
science, you need to know trigonometry,

1819
01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:47.039
and you know calculus and quantum mechanics
and strength theory and all that other crap.

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01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:50.279
Right, you have to have a
solar system and a galaxy around that

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01:58:50.319 --> 01:58:55.199
in universe around that. It's massive. It's absolutely incomprehensible for most people.

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01:58:55.359 --> 01:58:59.720
Right with this, that's all you
need, just that little thing, that's

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01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.960
just just a little little snow globe. That's all. People can get their

1824
01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:05.279
head around it really, really quickly. So I put it the challenge out

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01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:10.439
to people in science. I go, until you create a version of the

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01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:14.239
solar system which is easier to explain
than ours, people are going to go

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01:59:14.279 --> 01:59:16.960
with ours. That's right, because
that people like easier stuff. They do,

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01:59:17.439 --> 01:59:19.520
and they just because it's easy.
It doesn't mean it's right. I

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01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:24.000
go, No, it doesn't,
but human nature means they're going to be

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01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:28.600
drawn to it, So try and
stop us. There you go, Well

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01:59:28.680 --> 01:59:30.560
done, Thank you so much for
your time. It's been a pleasure chatting

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01:59:30.600 --> 01:59:34.079
with you and bouncing things off and
actually being able to have a one on

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01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:39.319
one conversation with somebody who has been
such a part of this great awakening across

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01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:41.720
the world. So thanks for everything
you do. I really appreciate it.

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01:59:43.199 --> 01:59:45.119
Thank you for having me. I
appreciate it. That's Mark Sargent. Everyone.

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02:00:28.880 --> 02:01:15.760
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