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Adventist Radio London. Inspiration for the
song we Welcome to Talking Point with Ray

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Sen You Angeler, discussing the hot
topics and answering your questions, Saturdays five

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to seven pm on Adventist Radio London. It's talking Point. It's talking Point.

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It's talking Point, it's talking Point, real conversations. You need to

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have good evening, good evening and
welcome to talking Point. It feels like

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it's bit of agents. I've been
in this hot seat here in the studio,

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but I'd like to welcome you to
our show this evening. I hope

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you've had a good Sabbath. It's
quite interesting listening to Mark's show earlier which

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was talking about the Sabbath and the
things we do on the Sabbath. Discussion

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between him and Charlie was very very
interesting and also thank you so much you

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see why for your program. It's
really I love listening to that actually,

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as I was driving in today,
Yeah, they have such wise children talking

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about the Christmas story and it was
really interesting actually that they were using Twitter,

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the twist of Twitter, and I
was thinking, do children have Twitter

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or x as it's now called,
because I'm sure my age there, but

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yeah, it was really interesting and
I think we're really interesting twist on that.

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So yeah, thank you, you
see why for your show. So

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I'm joined as usual with my trustee
co hosts Xenia and Pedro Salad. They're

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not in studio today, it's just
me and myself. They are on Zoom

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but how we're doing Pedro and Zenya. How is things today? Everything is

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good? How's everybody? And Radio
Land? Thank you for joining us on

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the Renters Radio London. Thank you, it's good you're doing. I'm not

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too I'm not too bad. It's
been a bit of a stressful day.

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A whole section of my motorway journey
was the road was cut off. Obviously

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it happens they're doing road work.
So I was doing a bit of a

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detour and I have no idea where
this detail was taking me. I was

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following ways, but you know it's
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So it's a little stressful. But
hey, here we are. But aside

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from that, I'm not too bad. It's been an up and down week.

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Busy as always. By the way, Instagram is the way people really

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use that. I really use Twitter, which is x or whatever. Well

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that's that's really interesting to say that, because I was like, Okay,

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I know I've had a Twitter account
for but I don't know way back when

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used to use it, don't really
do so much now, So I was

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quite interested to sort of see or
to hear that, Okay, maybe it's

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still a thing. I don't know. Two young people, young people like

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they that's a new They don't use
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Yeah, they don't use Twitter like
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you can like video, you can
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that's the other thing. Yeah,
interesting because like my fifteen or thirteen or

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they have Snapchat and they use it
to talk to their friends and go back

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and forth send like funny photos and
stuff. Oh okay, well I guess

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slip and learn. Oh when I
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she's dropped off the cool. But
that's not the problem. I'm having

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a few technicalives on this studio here
as well. But because my screen has

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just gone blank. But I'll try
and look at that in a second,

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but until then we'll keep talking for
today. So yeah, yeah, it's

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an interesting one. I think it's
the weather because the back weather message with

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the Internet sometimes, you know,
I my Internet is not that great right

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now, because it's technology at its
best. When technology she technology is there

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to help us. I totally believe
that, and I'm ever grateful for all

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of that. However, when things
decide to go wrong, they really do

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go wrong, and definitely it's amazing
what you don't think, just like,

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Okay, now I'm stuck. What
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I need to do? But yeah, he let you go. She propped

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back up. She's right back in. I pretty could tell you. I

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know you're can act. So one
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I don't like about cybers here in
the UK when it's this time of the

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year is that it it ends so
nothing that it ends quickly. It's just

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like so like for me, I
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that I didn't go to church,
but I just rested and next thing I

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know is like one o'clock in the
afternoon and it's like, okay, the

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sun's going to set at three forty
five up here. You're like, my

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goodness, three forty five, Like
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my goodness, you know, it's
almost you're almost like you wanted to last

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a little bit longer so that you
you have some more arrest. You can

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still arrest after the sabage, after
the sun sets, but you're just like

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man like it really said, you
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to kind of just relax and kind
of mentally recharge my brain. Yeah,

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I mean I was. I was
really glad today as you're saying that the

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day seems to go really seems to
be really obviously much shorter about daylight.

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I was really glad that where I
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today, So that made a real
difference. So not that ship that the

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day felt longer, because for me
it was like, how is it suddenly

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three o'clock already? Yeah, like
like you realize it's three o'clock already,

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the sun's gonna be setting, and
then there's up pairing raining all day,

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so I didn't get no sun.
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not drey. It's just kind of
like cold and wet. You just want

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to keep the heat on in the
house and just you know, stay bundled

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up. Yep. Yeah, definitely
still enjoying my savage. So I'm gonna

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complain. I actually said at home
as well. Today I was actually tired

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and just the sort of driving into
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was just like, yeah, it's
too much. And you know, sometimes

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you realize, and we always say
this, that Sabbath sometimes is a really

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really busy, busy day, you
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and sometimes isn't really the day of
rest as you'd like it to be.

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But yeah, I met I met
a lady who preaches, who goes around

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and she's a teacher in the state. She's a principal. One of the

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event to school is a small event
to school, and she told us that

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she told her pastor, you get
two weekends a month for me. The

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other two weekends is my day arrest. Yeah, she told them that you

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get two weekends. I come to
church, I help out with the church,

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I do whatever I gotta do.
But the other two weekends I'm staying

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home and resting. Because she understands, like you said, like sometimes we

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come to church and you're doing more
stuff at the church than you the week.

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So sometimes you just need to just
take that minute and just kind of

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just literally recharged or reset your mean, yeah, come the week, especially

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when you had our worth week.
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necessary. And we know, I
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is what's going to segue as nicely
into what we're going to be talking about

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today. You know, we've talked
a lot a bit about how we can

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look after ourselves. We talk about
lots of different topics and themes and what

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have you, and you know,
looking after ourselves has definitely been one thing

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I know we've been focusing on this
week, but I put up in there,

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let's pray because it looks like we're
all having a bit of difficulties here.

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Soaya's chopping on and off, so
hopefully she'll be back on shortly.

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Things a little bit weird in the
student. I hope we're coming out lad

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and clear. But let's pray to
start up our show and hope God that

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we're can bless us and kind of
keep us from technical problems free. So

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let's pray for I've God, I
want to thank you for blessing us with

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another sabbath, Dear Lord, And
although we have now come to the end

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and we're starting a new week,
I pray that the rest of this day

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will be a good one and a
blessed one. And as we are going

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to be talking today about some of
the shows and some of the topics that

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we've covered over the last year,
I prayed that it will be a blessing

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to someone who listens, Dear Lord, and that they'll be inspired to maybe

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go back and have a re listen
and take some of those points that we

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have learned about that we've talked about, and maybe able to apply it to

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their own lives. I thank you
for hearing a listening and answering my prayer.

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Amen, go right. So,
as I was just saying in my

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prayer just then, we are coming
towards the end of twenty twenty three.

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Every week we say, how does
our week go so quickly? How's our

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week go so quickly? It just
felt like it was Sabbath two seconds ago.

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But here we are, three weeks
until the end of three weeks,

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three weeks until the end of the
year, and I'm like, how have

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we got through twenty twenty three?
It feels like the click of a finger.

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All of a sudden, we are
counting down, as it were,

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to twenty twenty four, and I
kind of think to myself, where has

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the last we're in these kind of
twenties. I don't know what's that?

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How you even pronounce what those that's
pronounced that? But how have we gone

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through twenty three years? How we
at twenty twenty three? But you know,

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the year two thousand seemed to be
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Sadly, even Moore the year two
thousand was like, well two k that,

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Yeah, you are going to crash
the where I was going to end.

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God was coming back all of those
things. As the civilization was going

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to end. It was going to
be no more banking, no more and

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nothing. Whilst there's been lots of
changes and we've seen things, you know,

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the impact of things that are happening
around the world, global instances,

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all those things, twenty three years
has flown past. It feels like it's

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flown past. But this definite,
this year has gone incredibly quickly. And

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I really do think, you know, after the pandemic where everything felt like

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it had stopped, everything stopped,
the pace has definitely picked up again and

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here we are, so I guess, yeah, we're going to be looking

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today a bit of a recap over
the next couple of weeks about what twenty

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twenty three has been like for us, and also in terms of Talking Point

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and the shows that we've done,
and you know, the people that we've

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spoken to, the things we've learned. You know, every show that we

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do, there's always something new to
learn. There's a new perspective or a

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new angle on talking Point. As
the name suggests, we like to talk

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about different topics and we've done a
real range of different types of programs,

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whether it's been the presenters talking myself, Pedro and Zenya and Ray when he

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was part of the crew way back
when. I mean even that seems such

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a long time ago. This has
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took over on the Breakfast Show.
Talking Point is kind of you know,

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he's left that with us, but
we've talked to We've had lots of guests

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on the show. We've had lots
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some really incredible stories from different people, and that's what we want to hear

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more of going into twenty twenty four. So you know, this is going

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to be a bit of a shout
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here. Can I remember this WhatsApp
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three two three zero two three four, So there's so many different ways you

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can get in contact with us here
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hear from you. We would love
to hear your story. If you're doing

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something amazing, or you've done something
amazing in your life, you're making an

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If you would like to just join
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got a theme or a question or
a topic and if we just want to

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discuss it and have a chat,
we'd love to hear your opinions. Myself,

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Xena and Pedro have got fairly strong
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to add some other people to the
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we're going to be looking at today. We're going to be covering kind of

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the first six months of this year, or however we kind of many we

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get through looking at some of the
stories that we have heard, not the

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shows we've had, and just kind
of sharing some of music that we like

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as well. So with that in
mind, I'm going to play a piece

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some special guests it again, you
may have some special guests. We may

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have special guess. Oh, something
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you're saying. I thought we was
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we were hoping to. I'm not
sure they're able to, So I'm not

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sure if that's going to be the
case. But mine care, Oh maybe,

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okay, Mine care. She's already
told me the text when she already

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oh, okay, cool, Okay, so that's what we'll do then.

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So I'm going to pop in as
so she's finding a call right now,

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but she says she'd be wanted happy
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the thing. There's a lot of
that going around. I know. I've

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kind of from the all the snow
we had, well we had no appear

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on you no down there. Yeah
it was bad. It was snow every

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day for about a week. Then
it turned the eyes and sleep and yeah.

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Now then it got sunny again,
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we're going through about five different seasons
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okay, I've done well, we've
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a bit of frost, not not
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it was coming, but I don't. Yeah, I don't know if we've

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if it's coming, we'll see,
I guess. But with that thought in

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mind, I'm going to play a
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and I will come back and hopefully
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Speak to you shortly, all right, Do you think there won't bring

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me closer? To nor reason for
excuse for most? So why do please

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far too more fun? Mine far
in ushing you away? And when n

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deserved to be left alone, you
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something that just keeps habern doesn't make
much sense to me, but he does

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it again and again. Lord,
I promised, this is really the last

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time said these words sorry for nine
great and must have slimmed mind. Mine

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never wanted you. If you get
me out of this one, I never

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too long again when a lie learned
my less what would life be firing not

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a chances? My clauset so full
love things I don't want you to see.

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If you knew all love about me, you'd questioned my being. I

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know I haven't made for each of
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for keeping seets long. Let me
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some man that just keeps habun name. It doesn't make much sense to me,

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but he does it again in again, Lord, I promised this is

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really the last time he said sorry
for night. It must have saved my

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money. I gave a given get
me out of this one. I'll never

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do me again. When we'll learn
my list? What would life be if

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I ran out of chance, uncomer
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that I'll be free, save me, uncomor ball even in this south.

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And I don't want to see.
I don't know sign no no said it

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a thousand times, and I really
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is weirdy. The last time we
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must have sleeped my mind. I
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ont of this one, I'll never
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lesson? Where will life be?
If I ran out of chances? Where

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would I be? Where would we
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of chances? A powerful songs of
really amazing lyrics within that song. So

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yeah, we're going to be also
showing some some of our favorite songs that

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we've played throughout the year as well, if we could remember. There seems

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to be so many sometimes when we're
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what we've been doing over twenty twenty
three. And yeah, if we've started

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off by saying that twenty twenty three
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quickly, but it's been I'd say
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year, I think, after the
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out on the other side, getting
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that looks like for people, because
that seems to have been very often very

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different and has been very different for
people. So we're looking at that.

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So when we look at some of
the shows that we started off with,

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one of the things that we started
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look back and I think, this
is a really great way to have started

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the year. Prayer is really important
anyway, you know, we were our

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daily communion with God, you know, speaking to him like the friend that

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he is, the save that he
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focused time of prayer, and that
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as well. But the idea of
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time and for our church, the
Adventist Church, we did a ten days

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of prayer from the beginning of January. Prayer can be the start of many

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revivals. You know, it's a
time for us to focus on what we're

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hoping to do for the year,
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God's miracles, our blessings, and
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Holy Spirit to really work within us. And this year the theme was around

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you know, the altar, bringing
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guess you know in terms of,
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what that looked like for people,
you know, creating your own time,

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your own space, you know,
within within your prayer time, and

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what that looks like. So,
Petro, are you still there with us?

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there. So for you, I
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ten days of prayer and everybody would
do everybody does prayer very differently and may

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have done programs in a different way. For you. How important is prayer

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in your life? And as I
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off twenty twenty three and you know, starting us off right. If that

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makes sense for me, prayer my
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I can't remember what we did.
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fast the years went. Also,
you forget I came what I did last

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week? So remember they did it
generally It's like, yeah, I hear

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that. I'm racking my brain.
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And for me, prayer is important
because it's how we talk to God and

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sometimes even listen to God, you
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love about prayers that you could do
anytime, Like I said, I think

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I said before, you could do
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it in the house, you could
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do it at work, wherever you're
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prayer if you're having a bad day
or something that's going down, and they

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could just uplift your spirit or just
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may be having at that moment.
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important with our connection with God.
There's other connections obviously, read the Bible,

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you know, just study the word. But the prayer is how I

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feel connected to God, like that
he's hearing me, even though he may

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already know what I'm gonna say.
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and hearing my voice. So it
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hearing me, that he he's answering
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it's you know, I really feel
a whole idea. It was interesting a

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theme as well, back to the
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many different connotations. If I remember
as we were kind of talking about this,

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but for me, it was it
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to take from the idea and the
themes, well that it's about me creating

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a connection and I'm coming back to
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focusing my time. So whether that's
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pray that's really focused, or I
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dedicated space. You're completely right,
and I agree. You know, when

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I'm driving in my car, that's
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tend to happen. You know,
that's my kind of space. Or you

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know, as you said, anywhere
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But I think the idea of actually
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you really intentionally focusing that time.
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they read particular scripture, they have
a particular There's so many different ways

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to pray using different kinds of methods
or forms, formats use the war remember

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the movie The War Wrong. Yes, I know a lady, I know

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pastor Graham's mother does that, Okay, Pastor Paul, I think it's Paul.

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Paul Graham his mother. She writes
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she goes and she she goes into
a little area and she prays, okay,

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everybody list, and she adds to
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that, I remember creating as you
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creating one of those for the children
Sober School. I've done a very's of

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course bringing that back there, but
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every child, once they did their
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flower and they were adding them to
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I'm sorry, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, now apologized, So

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so you do like a garden.
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it's creating a garden. And then
each week they would get a flower or

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a leaf, what have you,
and they would write their prayers which we

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would then put upon the wall and
then we pray over. But it was

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just kind of it served as a
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you know, I wanted them to
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okay, yes you can put your
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something may be memorable, but also
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left up you know, throughout the
quarter for them to kind of go back,

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and then we can kind of you
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or things that may have been praying
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been answered, what, you know, have their prayers changed, because sometimes

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each week it could be maybe a
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prayer of thankfulness or we're talking about
praise. So also just different ways of

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doing it as well, but something
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for worship, Yeah, I think. I mean, I I like I

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like the personally, I like the
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sometimes doing that for children or young
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senses or just different ways and just
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the engage. But I think sometimes
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churches, just keeping a child,
not entertained, but just engaged in what

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we're talking about, because sometimes they
they can be very they're very visual most

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children, so when you're just talking
about something, they don't visually see it,

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they kind of other things because they
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so oh it looks like anyways,
back on she has joined us. Yes,

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your prayer, we are indeed,
which is what we are. That's

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actually what we're talking about. One
of our first Yeah, having Internet troubles.

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I'm not sure we picked off again, but I wanted to be part

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of the conversation this week because I
won't be here next week and then that's

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that's it for talking pointless year.
So good eating everyone, and yeah,

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I hope you've had a good join
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me well. As we were talking
about that, we were praying that Zaida

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will be able to still stay on
the show and that Internet's problems will disappear.

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Satan get behind. But we're talking
about one of the first shows we

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talked about in the beginning of the
year for our church and many many faith

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around many church church groups was ten
Days of prayer and the idea that we

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can you know, we're utilizing it
as a good starting point for the year.

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Quite focused. And the theme this
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which I thought was quite an interesting
one invoked many thoughts. I don't know

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when we were talking about that on
this show, you know, this is

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quite a lot of discussion. But
then I'm just saying, you know,

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you know how important to is prayer
to you? And was there anything from

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that week, those ten days of
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minutes of the program, Pastor came
up. Pastor was with us, pastoray,

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how are you? Yeah, he
was with us, and he sort

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of spoke about the fact that we
don't need a position, a place or

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posture for prayer. And it came
back when I looked at the when I

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listened to the program again, and
I need to make sure I write that

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somewhere where I can re visit it. But that was what came from the

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discussion for me, is that it's
not about and I think Peture you spoke

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a little bit about that as well, but it's not about a particular place

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or posture or position or person,
and it's about communicating with God. I

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mean you spoken about worship. I
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but I also want to say that
we have to be careful not to

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make it, you know, a
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routine so much as it is a
conversation and a relationship, because if we

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do it like that, then it
seems easy to sort of tune out or

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get bored or bothered or the process. But if it is a conversation and

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you know, you're talking to your
daddy, you know, talking to God

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about whatever you're facing. And I
try to encourage JJ to do that.

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Just just talk to him, talk
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your earthly father, and just understand
that he is bigger than that, he's

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you know, he's greater than that. He's able to do far more than

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you could ever think or imagine,
and just trust him and then you know,

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build that bond with him. So
wherever you are, whatever you're going

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through, if you know his voice, then you'll be able to navigate from

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the situation. Which is interesting.
It's interesting you're saying that because I was

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still saying that. Like I said, I know it's a lot of discussion.

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of possibly having maybe dedicated space,
dedicated time. You're completely right. I

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totally agree with you in terms of
not making it kind of richialistic. And

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you know, this is how it
has to be. You know, you've

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got your schedule and what have you. What I think this could be a

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place for that. But I do
have the idea of having a space,

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a time, that kind of thing. But like you said, ultimately it's

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a bad connection, you know,
getting closer to God, you know,

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talking to him as a friend he
is, you know, of the friend

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that you'd want him to be.
You know, that's how we kind of

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do. So I have a question, Yeah, go ahead, rocked the

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boat, but a question. No
change there. Then my prayers, my

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prayers, my prayers, prayer,
so you know what, we just everything

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that so I don't haven't I have
an issue, but not an issue,

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So we say by prayer, we
have a like in church, we have

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a dedicated time for prayer. I
don't know if you discussed this, but

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but what is your what is your
take on prayer in church time wise,

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do you understand what I mean?
Like, you know, when they have

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the intercessual prayer right is there is
there is there a time limit or is

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there you know we should we should
pray for fifteen minutes during that time.

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I just because we're talking about player
and what it does for us, because

411
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I just like I was always brought
up that prayer it is for you to

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have your special time with God.
So when you're when you're praying with multiple

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people, you should not keep it
shit or it's sweet, but you should

414
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kind of keep it condensed because I
feel like sometimes people get up and praying,

415
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they pray like if they was praying
in the closed room by themselves,

416
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and maybe they just forget. So
I just thought i'd bring it up.

417
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Do you think I don't know that
there's a set rule for that. I

418
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rule, yeah, I know.
I don't know if I would put that

419
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in any parameters. I think it's
as the spirit leads the person. I

420
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would say, I feel like we
can be a little bit more flexible in

421
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how we do church programming. And
again I'm under red bull, so I'm

422
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going to get in trouble for that. But I feel like we are.

423
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I agree that does not allow for
a lot of the spirit to lead.

424
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If we want to pray a whole
service through, we should be able to

425
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if we want to pray first,
you know, it should there should be

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some flexibility there. And also for
the person who's praying, if the spirit

427
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leads them and you know, they
go on. Once it's relevant, once

428
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it's reaching, once it's yeah.
That's that's my take on it. I

429
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don't think some people go up there
and they've got their own agenda and that

430
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.960
can become apparent very quickly. Yeah, I mean, that's my point.

431
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That's that's my that is my that's
my issue because I think, like,

432
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like you just said, I'm being
rebel with you. I'm saying I think

433
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in the church we could do something
different. Like there's like we're trying to

434
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put this, we're trying to uplift
people in the church. But we were

435
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.480
singing where the praise team will get
up and sing and sing and sing and

436
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.640
sing praise and then right after that
we got a singer him. I never

437
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.880
understood that. I never understood that
that When did we start doing that?

438
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.720
That's just me, So I'll be
the rebel. I just never understood that.

439
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.599
Like why after we've been praising God
and were up, everybody's clapping and

440
00:33:53.680 --> 00:34:00.400
we're praise God, they they want
to bring everything down as singer always be

441
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.720
the most dreary him that you could
think of, Just like, yeah,

442
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.599
now the whole thing has nowt like
the whole everything. I feel like,

443
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.719
yeah, just changed dreary again.
Yeah that's all. But this is that's

444
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.960
a whole nother talking point. It
is digress. I just thought about that.

445
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.320
Okay, Well, I guess I
mean that could be a whole show.

446
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.039
I think the idea of programming church
programming, I think there's a lot

447
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to be said about that. And
I guess in some ways, what when

448
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.119
you think about when you go to
church, what you want to get from

449
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.320
your worship experience and the service.
There are so many ways to do that,

450
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and I think I believe there's a
place for there's a place for lots

451
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of different things, lots of different
ways of doing that. You have to

452
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really think about your your congregation,
your members, what's going to be good

453
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.639
for all those things you have taken
consideration, And I think having some kind

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of the way you coordinated to put
your programs, there's a lot. I

455
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:00.719
think there's a lot to be said
that, So maybe that's something we could

456
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.239
I think I may make a great
discussion because I'd love to hear, you

457
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.239
know, from churches who are mixing
it up a bit or doing different things

458
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:14.800
and not just necessarily doing that when
there's particular special days. You know,

459
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.639
sometimes church departments will put our programs
so they'll change things up. That's fantastic,

460
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.079
But why can't that be on a
regular basis or day to day,

461
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.719
you know, take week to week, I should say, so, I

462
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:29.519
guess that's all the time. And
I feel maybe it sounds like a cop

463
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:34.119
out, but I really believe that
things have to be spirit level. Yes,

464
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.880
it's the only way that you're going
to get the best from the service

465
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.119
and all those involved, all those
because you're not going to know when you

466
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.599
go up there you're planning, you're
not going to know who's sitting in the

467
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.480
pews and what we're going to need. It's only the Spirit can guide you,

468
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:52.199
you know, all of us have
we come with our various needs,

469
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.920
you know, our struggles oh blah
blah, you know, and it's only

470
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for the Spirit to be able to
work through it all and works yes,

471
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.960
but what that looks like? Yeah, definitely, So I agree with you

472
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.320
yea, And yeah, so we'll
we'll we'll put that as a topic that

473
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could be one of the ones we
look at because I think as well,

474
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and I think it's also relevant as
well when you think about, you know,

475
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.280
we believe with everything that's happening that
God is coming soon that we want

476
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:29.760
to be reaching people. You know, it's funny because I was at Balam

477
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.119
today. It was their bath Pathfinder
and Adventurers day, and you know,

478
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.239
one of the young path Finders spoke
today, really good message, actually really

479
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.360
proud of him. But the other
idea was about going are you ready to

480
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.320
go for Jesus? And really what
that looks like? There could be so

481
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.239
many different ways to go out there
spread the gospel. That's our commission,

482
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:50.760
that's our call. Yeah, how
can we do that? How can we

483
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.440
bring people into our worship experiences?
How can that be different things? You

484
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.559
know, there's a lot to be
said around that. So I think it

485
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.280
could definitely be irrelevant to discuss because
you know, if things aren't working at

486
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.880
the moment be able to bring people
in, what can we do to kind

487
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.519
of make a change on that so
so yeah, so we started off talking

488
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:14.280
about prayer for the year. Definitely
a good way to start off. I

489
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.760
definitely can encourage that. I don't
know where they're doing another ten days of

490
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.679
prayer for twenty twenty four quite possibly, but you can do that yourself and

491
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.480
what you know, what that looks
like. There's so many different ways of

492
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.079
prayer. So I'm going to encourage
people to be creative with your prayer lives.

493
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:30.880
Yeah, you know, get out
into nature, go on a prayer

494
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:36.079
walk, pray around your neighborhood,
pray with people. There's a whole heap

495
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.519
of different ways get in prayer,
you know, get involved with that.

496
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.679
So I'm going to play another piece
of music. This is one of my

497
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.519
favorites that I think we did play
along the year. So this was Evie

498
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:51.880
McKinney. Just like God, definitely
lots to be a lot of the words

499
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of this and thinking that sometimes you
know, we go for our day to

500
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day and if we see things and
it's just like God to be doing that.

501
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.400
Could only be God who can make
things happen or can provide the blessings

502
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.599
that we are, you know,
we are blessed with from day to day.

503
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:25.159
So even McKinney, just like God, who would go another day,

504
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:31.760
get what to do and to make. But I'm just thank for f of

505
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:42.960
God coming down to Donald. But
I'm not in my hel con strong riding

506
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:54.360
a time mat that just like God, seles fallen and I'm paying. There's

507
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.880
just like Kay, there's just like
Pardess t Pan. But hold on,

508
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:10.119
hold me stead and home cank And
ain't that just like a joy that just

509
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:20.239
like I've had trying the days when
people try throw and shade, and I've

510
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:27.199
had so had the tails are cried, they say sticks and stones, my

511
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:34.000
breaking boots it wood. It's a
large soul. And even though discons a

512
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:46.599
deep a par as keys falling and
home canking ain't dish just like up they

513
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.320
dish just like no pardess y pan. But you hold on, hold me

514
00:39:52.559 --> 00:40:00.039
stead and home cank And ain't that
just like a joy? That's just like

515
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:39.039
Church from film Chack Crechi. So
shy folges can't change, Sis says fings

516
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:52.280
and actually gave anything actually like God. That just like just like God,

517
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.719
Yes, and that just like God. Evy McKinney. So we've been talking.

518
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Welcome to talking point. If you're
just tuning in thank you for joining

519
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.920
us. So today we're doing a
bit of a recap. We are coming

520
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to the end of twenty twenty three, which has flown past. I was

521
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.079
saying, I've said the beginning.
Every week we say how quickly the weeks

522
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.440
are going? How quickly has this
year gone? And we're counting down to

523
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twenty twenty four, So we've taking
a bit of a look back at twenty

524
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twenty three for talking Point, what
we've been up to, and we've talked

525
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a little bit about, you know, starting the year off with prayer.

526
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But one of the things that we
do like to do, and we're talking

527
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.400
about going as I mentioned about,
you know, going out there, and

528
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.360
one of the things that we've tried
to do is to actually take Talking Point

529
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:57.480
on the road and doing a talking
Point live from our various churches. So

530
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.559
that's definitely something that we've done a
little bit as well, until point has

531
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.360
kind of traveled a little bit as
well. We're definitely up for more traveling.

532
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.480
Hint, hint, pastor ray you
want to take us anywhere, please

533
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.519
do anyway. But some we have
visited some churches throughout this year, and

534
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.000
we'll mention some of those as we're
going along, whether this time or the

535
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.400
next show. But one of the
places that we did go to was my

536
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.480
home church, Ballum. It's always
good to kind of I think the idea

537
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.199
of us taking it on the road, I think the idea behind that,

538
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.320
if I remember rightly, was just
so that we can kind of connect with

539
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.760
our listeners more and connect with people
in the church. You know, I'm

540
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.079
always sometimes quite surprised that people still
don't necessarily know about Advantage Radio London.

541
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.679
We want to get out there and
promote it, get people involved and what

542
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.480
have you. And you know,
if you're up for coming, you know,

543
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.239
having the team come down and sort
of take part in your afternoon programs,

544
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.119
your aas programs, would definitely be
up for doing that. So again,

545
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.760
do get in contact with us,
because we want to hear your opinions.

546
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.639
We want to hear what you are
talking about in your churches and what

547
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.840
kind of things come up, whether
that's the church at large or it's with

548
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.519
the young people. So I know
with this program that we did at Balam,

549
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.280
we wanted to kind of hear from
the young people. It didn't necessarily

550
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.679
go as well as we wanted it
to go. In the sense of unfortunately

551
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:23.840
there wasn't Young, but lessons like
it is. And I guess one thing

552
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.960
that's is quite interesting for me is
that I know people have lots of opinions,

553
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.639
but sometimes people aren't always as brave
to speak up and talk about them.

554
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.760
One of the things that we want
to do with Talking part is definitely

555
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.960
to raise awareness of themes, topics, subjects, and get people talking about

556
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.559
things because there are so many there
are so many topics that for some reason,

557
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:50.719
and I'm sure there are a hundred
and more reasons why we don't talk

558
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:55.079
about things within our church settings,
why we don't talk about this amongst ourselves,

559
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:59.920
sometimes we don't talk that, you
know, whether it's young, oh,

560
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.079
a mixture of the two, we
don't. So we've talked point.

561
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.800
That's what we really want to try
and encourage. We want to try and

562
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.920
foster that. That's what we're trying
to do with our shows in terms of

563
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.519
the topics, what we're talking about, but just you know, raising awareness

564
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.480
and being bold enough to talk about
some of these things. So you know,

565
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.840
what's your thoughts of that? CII
as well, you know, well,

566
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:24.719
yeah, I absolutely enjoy taking pop
Point on the road under the leadership

567
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.599
of our pastor Ray. We have
been a number of places and yeah,

568
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.119
it's good to as you say,
it gets a bit quiet, I feel

569
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.079
and even now I don't know if
you said it. At the top person

570
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.679
to our listening can get involved.
It's aheople with whole space and then your

571
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:46.400
message. You can call, sorry, you can text, WhatsApp, email,

572
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:51.280
But I find it gets a bit
quiet. We don't get the kind

573
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:55.719
of responses we like from our listeners. And going on the road lets us

574
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:01.960
know that you're listening. It allows
us to sort of feedback the commentary.

575
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.039
It really has a different feel and
I really do enjoy doing that. And

576
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.280
yeah, Balin was an experience we
I think we've taken away from that what

577
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.039
we needed to, but it was
good to hear from the young people.

578
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.079
Whether they didn't see a lot or
whether they said you know too much,

579
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:22.719
whoever it was, or whatever it
was, it was just good to be

580
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.119
them. I'm hoping that other churches
will call us and just allow us to

581
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:31.280
come, and it's just to facilitate
the conversation, definitely, and saying you're

582
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.880
having and we can be part of
it. And the one thing we do

583
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.800
is talk. We're talkers, So
it will be good to be part of

584
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.239
that conversation and to hear what about
young people or even look at as we

585
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.039
say that life has to say yeah, And it's definitely there's a lot to

586
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:52.800
be said. There are so many
sometimes we talk about stereotypes or perceptions that

587
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.440
people in church do, whether it's
young, and we often hear young people

588
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.800
do this or older people think this, and actually, until you actually start

589
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.079
talking to people, sometimes you can
realize that actually those things really aren't happening,

590
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:09.880
or you know, we're talking about
saying that, you know, we

591
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.639
want to hear the conversation. Sometimes
those things are happening, and it's really

592
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.199
really refreshing to actually see and hear
about the work that's being done and things

593
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.039
that being done to try and you
know, make those connections, have those

594
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.400
conversations, because the more we talk
about things, more comfortable we are about

595
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.840
stuff, the more real we can
be with people and each other. And

596
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.519
sometimes you know, there's always going
to be challenges, but the way you

597
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.920
kind of work together to get through
some of those things, how you can

598
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.239
encourage how your story or experience can
be a benefit to somebody else. So

599
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.679
definitely a lot to be said there, and as you said, you know,

600
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:51.559
there's a lot there's lessons learned with
anything that we do, you know,

601
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.000
whether it's from a technical side or
just how we kind of facilitate a

602
00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:00.679
discussion. But the important thing is
that we are getting out out there and

603
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.159
having those conversations and those discussions.
So you know, for all of those

604
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.679
people that speak up and have lots
to say, we thank you, But

605
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.360
for those who maybe didn't have a
lot to say, we thank you for

606
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.480
listening in as well. So it
definitely is definitely worth doing. Pedro you're

607
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.760
gonna say, I was just saying
I wasn't able to join ballum because I

608
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.320
could not get through it something.
It was definitely Internet issues that night.

609
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:30.400
But for what I heard a little
bit that they hear, I agree with

610
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.239
you in the sense of like it's
talking point getting on the road to hear

611
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:42.199
other people's opinions and other people's views
I think sometimes but what I would like

612
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.559
for us as talking point to do
is when we go on the road and

613
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:51.519
we go to do something like that
again is just getting the view of where

614
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.719
people will listen too, because I
think sometimes people have views but they're not

615
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.719
listening. They have their own views
and their view is right and our view

616
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:06.880
is wrong. And it's not about
right or wrong. It's about the view

617
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:08.960
of the person, the view of
the young person. Even if you have

618
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.840
the older person. Sometimes as young
people, they don't listen to the view

619
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.199
of the older person because you know, it's what do they know? They're

620
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:21.000
not going through what I'm going through. So I would like, like one

621
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:22.840
of my goals for a talken point
would be like, if we do that

622
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:30.440
again, it's just the view to
come through, for everybody to have their

623
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:31.840
own view, but the understanding that
it's just their opinion, it's just their

624
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.880
view, and to accept it and
then to like, let's have a discussion

625
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.199
on that view, because it's good
to have a debate or have a discussion

626
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.280
about something. We're not always going
to agree. We're not always going to

627
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:46.599
be like, well, yeah that's
true or that's not true. It's just

628
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:51.119
about you know, learning, learning
our young people, because our young people

629
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:52.800
are really at risk right now.
We really need to stop being able to

630
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.280
listen instead of reacting. And I
think that's one of the things I took

631
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:07.559
from the battlem situation that I would
say that there is a right I mean

632
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:15.599
what I mean right. What I
mean by like it's not it's not because

633
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:17.440
when I say right or wrong,
I don't mean in the sense of like

634
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.280
you're wrong, I'm right. That's
actually that's what I mean, like I'm

635
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.599
wrong, you're right, I'm wrong, more in the sense of okay,

636
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.519
you know what, that may be
a view, but that's not the right

637
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.840
the right view, Let me teach
you the right view or like, you

638
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.840
know, because sometimes we can misunderstand
something. When a person reads the Bible,

639
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:45.159
everybody can. Everybody interprets it differently
sometimes or they may get or they

640
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.360
may misinterpreted, you know, and
they may say, you know, well,

641
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.679
what does this means? I could
do this? I could do that,

642
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.719
I can't do this, And then
it would take like an other person

643
00:49:52.760 --> 00:50:00.159
who's been reading longer or me better
to say, Okay, yes, it

644
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.800
could concentuate that, but it really
means this, like just meaning a sense

645
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.199
of like just instead of just saying
you're wrong, just saying okay, it's

646
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:14.360
not you may be misread or misinterpret
what you're saying, or maybe you're missunder

647
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.719
maybe you're not explaining it properly,
or she got knocked off. Angela m

648
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.480
oh she's gonna get okay. So
that's what I was talking. That's what

649
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:29.199
I meant more in the sense of, you know, like just you know,

650
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.360
it's such a slippery slope because when
you start saying right and wrong and

651
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.000
yeah, I'm right, you're wrong, you know, everybody has a different

652
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.840
way of interpreted and I totally agree
with you. In this sense, it

653
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.840
is not only just about talking.
It is about listening, being open to

654
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.679
other viewpoints because sometimes if you that, even sometimes recognizing it, people can

655
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.039
be quite close to other opinions.
And you know, that ability to be

656
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.119
able to say, okay, even
if we don't end up agreeing with something,

657
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.079
being comfortable with agreeing to disagree can
be not a terrible place to be.

658
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.599
So, you know, having the
conversation, being able to be open

659
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.440
to hearing other people's opinions, taking
something from that if you can, that

660
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.440
can be a learning experience in itself. So definitely worth having that. And

661
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.840
I think you know, when we
are out and about and we're going around,

662
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.400
we can have a part of that
as well. You know, this

663
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.519
is a great opportunity for us to
uh, this could definitely be an opportunity

664
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:28.119
for us to meet new people.
Can you know, learn about what people

665
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.840
are doing around our conference. You
know, we have so many churches,

666
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.199
I'm sure we can never get them
right around. I think more of the

667
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.480
sense of, oh, I guess
I'm really trying to say because things,

668
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.239
but don't shut them down. She
just takes that I don't mean like should

669
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:45.880
that like okay, like with my
kids. I'm just gonna use my example

670
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:49.599
for like with my kids. Like
if I told if I raise my kids

671
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.880
how the way I was raised,
it would not correspond with the way the

672
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.880
world is today. So I think, as an even though I'm older,

673
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.920
and yes I'm wiser than my kids, my kids will have some wisdom that

674
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.920
they can give me. Yes,
yeah, so I need to listen to

675
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.480
my kids and they say, Okay, some things we can pull and some

676
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.480
things we'll put to the side,
some things we can we can take in,

677
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.360
and some things we can you know. Yeah, oh that's not gonna

678
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.480
work, you know, like because
in today's world, it's the world has

679
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:24.719
changed and the climate has changed,
generation has changed. You know. I

680
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:28.320
was just thinking about this, Do
you realize something I look as you know,

681
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.400
because we're we're not up during the
age, but we're older. But

682
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.679
do you realize that when we get
older, like we get like if God

683
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.920
bless us that we make it like
seventy eighty, that we're gonna be more

684
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:45.760
We're gonna be more computer savvy than
our parents are. Totally. I feel

685
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.280
like I struggled now, but so
you can imagine how I find things confusing.

686
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.039
I think to myself, well,
if I'm finding it confusing, the

687
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.280
next station above me, they must
be. It must be complete. Like

688
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.199
I don't say confusion, have no
understanding, just don't get it doesn't make

689
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.800
any sense below you. You mean
like your mother, Yeah, Auntie,

690
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:12.480
the other statesmen, they don't understand
my mother. She can't work a phone

691
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.920
for nothing, or she knows that
it turns on and it turns off.

692
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.440
Yeah, you know, she's always
calling me like I'm trying to get this

693
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.559
app. I'm trying to do this, and I'm like, oh, you

694
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:22.800
gotta go here, you gotta go
there. Then should come up and then

695
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.679
you know, trying to explain it
to her. And I was just thinking

696
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.320
about that, like when we get
older, we're going to know because we're

697
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.000
the generation. The generation has changed
definitely, so you know, every year,

698
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:37.440
every couple of years, it changes
so I think that's what I was

699
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.840
listening to something today as well as
you're saying, that's reminded me that actually

700
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.719
the generations many uations before almost took
they kind of did things and sometimes you

701
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.239
know, as we as you're seeing
now, people question and challenge things more.

702
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.800
And I think, yeah, that's
really important just to really understand why

703
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.960
we do some of the things that
we do. So again, when we

704
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.719
talked about how why the church services
are they how they are? You know,

705
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:01.800
how how was that come about?
Who knows? But again, if

706
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:06.159
nobody ever questions that, or nobody
ever really talks about it and thinks about

707
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.239
it, then things may never change. And if there are challenges or things

708
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.280
that aren't working quite so well,
we just continue the cycle without doing thing

709
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:19.199
about it. So again, having
the conversations can open up and you know,

710
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.239
if we can kind of try and
facilitate some of those, get people

711
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.599
involved, connect with other people,
then that's definitely a good way to do

712
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.119
that same traditional we become traditional.
Yeah, and you know, I'm saying

713
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.760
there could be a place for that. But again, you know, again

714
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:36.880
questioning why we do the things that
we do. So again, you know,

715
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:38.960
if you'd like us the Talking Point
Team to come down to your church

716
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:45.639
to facilitate a conversation, whether it's
something that you've been discussing amongst yourselves already,

717
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.079
or you'd like us to bring a
topic. Do get in contact with

718
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.440
us. We'd love to hear from
you. So yeah, so Talking Point

719
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.360
on the road and we've traveled a
little bit. We went to where else

720
00:54:54.400 --> 00:55:00.199
did we go to? It to
France again with Pastor ray Get. It

721
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:05.199
was an opportunity to connect with more
people's if it was always challenging to kind

722
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:07.800
of go somewhere where you don't necessarily
speak the language. But that was definitely

723
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:13.039
an experience that I would love to
kind of do that again because we were

724
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.840
Yeah, we have another perspective if
you give a second. So again,

725
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:24.280
I didn't get to go to France, you know, but you know everybody's

726
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.960
always like it sounds like you wanted
to go. No, I really didn't

727
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.599
want to go. Yeah, that's
true. I felt it was you know,

728
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.199
I really didn't want to go what
is this pedro? Because I felt

729
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.559
I felt not out of place.
But it was only gonna be me and

730
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.639
Pastor you know, he's gonna be
busy preaching and doing all that stuff,

731
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.280
and I love I love hanging with
you girls. But I was like,

732
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:51.000
it's I'm be like the only guy. I was like, well, you

733
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.800
know, as you say that,
Pedro, I'm really glad that. I

734
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.880
mean, not the glad that you
weren't able to come, But I get

735
00:55:54.960 --> 00:56:00.960
that because it was a time for
us ladies to spend time with each Yeah,

736
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.400
And that's what I thought, That's
what that was my idea. I

737
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:06.840
said, Well, my wife goes
think guess what, I you know,

738
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.039
it it'll just flow better. It'll
just be you know, she'll get to

739
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.280
sing, but it'll be more like
she'll get to meet you guys, because

740
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:15.360
we really were We met for dinner
and stuff, but you know, during

741
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.960
dinner's a lot of noise, a
lot of talking ladder, so you don't

742
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:22.159
really get to like get to know
each other. You know, I know

743
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.920
you guys before I'm doing the show
and then when we also meet up in

744
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.360
different parts off the show. But
my wife has never really had a chance

745
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:30.480
to it. So I was like, this would give my wife opportunity to

746
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:32.639
you know, get to know the
girl, get to know the ladies,

747
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.239
and you know, understand, you
know, I believe, So that's why

748
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.840
I was that was my thinking behind
the whole thing. I was just like

749
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.719
and then I was also thinking like
hotel. Then we got I gotta I

750
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.519
don't want a hotel with pastor.
I love the all, but you know,

751
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.719
I'm not trying to be in the
whole same hotel movies. So I

752
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:58.679
was like, you know what the
girl you know be you Josephinees and they

753
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.840
you know to too, and you
know you know, so that was my

754
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.519
thinking, Well, now I get
that, and we appreciated that, and

755
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.320
that segues nicely into where another thing
that we've obviously celebrated, and we do

756
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.000
this every year. We've done this
every year. We look at International Women's

757
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:22.880
Day and we big sort of coin
ear mark March as International Women's Month,

758
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:28.719
International Women's Days on I think the
eighth of March, and we are we

759
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:32.360
were celebrating the ladies and the wonderful
work that many women are doing around our

760
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:37.880
local communities. We've had various guests. We've had some of our presenters,

761
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.079
I think, if I remember rightly, we had Jenny Burton who does Family

762
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.960
Battles on a Sunday. We had
Josephine who does the Breakfast Show. Now

763
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.559
and also a prayer program as well. Is currently traveling, although she's going

764
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.199
to be coming back soon actually not
sure when she's back from her mission trip.

765
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:59.119
We also had Claudia on as well, who does the business show on

766
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.840
a Sunday evening and also during the
week, so we were we taught the

767
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:09.119
opportunity to discuss about things that women
will go through, celebrating the wonderful work

768
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:13.559
that women do and the impact that
they have on our local communities. There

769
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.159
are some women who are doing some
amazing work out there and we wanted to

770
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:21.920
celebrate that. And you know,
sometimes women are really holding down the fort

771
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:27.440
from in many situations you know,
they're in whether it's raising a family,

772
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.719
or they're in their jobs and their
works and what have you. So we

773
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:35.000
definitely want to celebrate wanted to celebrate
them, and throughout that month, we

774
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.320
definitely you know, spoke to some
hear some stories, spoke to them as

775
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:43.400
well and looked at that. And
coupled with that, we looked around a

776
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:49.960
little bit around mental health as well. Definitely post pandemic, I mean,

777
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.679
mental people have been challenged. Mental
health and the importance of looking after our

778
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:57.320
mental health has always been a topic
and definitely one that we like to cover

779
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.639
in many for many of us,
but also really looking at how mental health

780
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:07.000
can impact women, especially they're often
dealing with a lot, a lot of

781
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:12.000
stress that kind of they go through, so there's definitely a lot that we

782
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.800
talked about around that as well.
We've had lots of practitioners on, so

783
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:22.639
I want to shout out to Dorothy. Oh and her surname has slipped my

784
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.519
mind, but Dorothy one of our
kind of resident therapists who's been on and

785
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:32.480
obviously connecting with her network has definitely
been a blessing as well. So we've

786
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.880
had several of her colleagues, therapeutic
colleagues on to kind of take part as

787
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:44.320
well. So yeah, definitely the
benefits of that. We've better definitely learned

788
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.960
a lot around that as well.
And I see another person as I'm turning

789
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.679
to the screen and I see another
person who's joined us on the show.

790
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.760
As Pedro was saying special guests,
this is great, So hello Tara,

791
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.400
Hello, how are you? I'm
good, I'm not too bad, I'm

792
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:07.920
good, good good, And how
are you? I'm okay. I know

793
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:12.440
those germs are flying around and it's
definitely I think even COVID seems to be

794
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.039
making a bit of a come back, and I think it ever went away.

795
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.599
But since we're doing the rounds again, lots of people are kind of

796
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.440
coming down. I've managed to kind
of avoid it. Yeah, sisters were

797
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.880
sick for around me, but I
was like, no, let me dealing

798
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:32.880
with those germs right quick. But
so I know you thank you for coming

799
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:36.679
on to join us have a quick
chat about the recap. But we were

800
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.519
just talking about and I guess maybe
pass away, but tyron to talk about

801
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.760
when we went to France. Oh
yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I

802
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:50.920
enjoyed our time. When we went
to France, it was I was already

803
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:52.119
getting ready to go to a different
country. I really know how to speak

804
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.880
their language. But they was very
you know, receptive of us. You

805
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:00.880
know they were they were willing to
explain, you know, whatever we were

806
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.719
trying to understand from them. But
I think overall, on the worship side

807
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.840
of things, I think it was
a wonderful experience. Pastor Ray really preached

808
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:13.440
the music. The music was really
well because they did sing a lot of

809
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:19.000
the music in American you know,
English, which was good. That allowed

810
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.000
us to enjoy it. But I
would say other than that it was a

811
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.320
wonderful I would definitely want to do
it again. Yeah, definitely, And

812
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.159
I think there's lots to be said
that Pedro was saying obviously, you know,

813
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.840
in terms of suggesting that you come
on the trip with us. You

814
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.960
know, it was fantastic because it
allowed us as a group to kind of

815
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.760
bond and get to know each other
better. And yeah, you know,

816
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:39.000
I was just talking about, I'm
really glad because it allowed me to get

817
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.760
to you know, see you guys
in a different light than before, which

818
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.199
was none but I knew of you
guys, but you know what I'm saying,

819
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:50.360
in a more way. Were we
comfortable with each other. So yeah,

820
01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.599
I I'm really grateful for the opportunity. So hopefully Peedro get to go

821
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.639
next time, yes, and the
opportunity to come right way. He won't

822
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.239
keep saying no, I didn't go, you know, yeah, no,

823
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:07.280
definitely why I did not. I
did not go, But I made the

824
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.920
conscious effort because I could have gone
butt on this program. I wanted.

825
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.400
No. No, it's true.
But also what's important I think as well,

826
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.119
and one of the things I want
to highlight because I was just talking

827
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.199
about, you know, we celebrated
March being International Women's which called the Women's

828
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.079
Mum celebrating International Women's Day. But
the connections that women can have with each

829
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:28.320
other is so important, you know, whether it's you know that can come

830
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.400
in many of us may have best
possibly have best friends in childhood, or

831
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:37.199
you're making new friends, but having
a support network people around you is so

832
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.880
so important. And again I was
talking about the you know things mental health

833
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.440
as well, you know, so
for you, you know, that opportunity

834
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.440
for you to kind of, as
you said, get to know us and

835
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.760
bond with us in a different way
because again we knew of I would say,

836
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.320
I knew of you, you know, but I didn't know a lot

837
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:58.440
about you. And obviously when you
spend time with people, you seem in

838
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:05.519
a different context you anymore about you
know people. So I just like that,

839
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.519
you know, it wasn't no awkwardness
between us as women. We was

840
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:13.519
able to sit and talk and be
ourselves. Yeah, and that's that's so

841
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:15.159
you know, I'm saying, no
one was pretending to be something that they

842
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:19.559
weren't. Yeah, so that was
very important to be able to buther with

843
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.280
people, it ain't always either Bundy
with people, So just to know that,

844
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.199
you know, your personality allowed me
to be myself and likewise, I

845
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:30.639
really just enjoyed the whole experience.
Yeah, and it's really it's really important,

846
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:32.079
you know. And you know,
I'll say this about men as well

847
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:35.280
when they're talking. You know,
men, you have your your friendship,

848
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.599
groups, your groups, you're it's
really important. We demonstrate this maybe very

849
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:45.679
differently, but it's so important to
have your your friends, your support network,

850
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:49.880
your connections, and you know,
I mean what I've often found with

851
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:52.320
women as well as much as you
know, sometimes we're really busy, we

852
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.880
don't connect as much of it,
but when we do, it's almost like

853
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:59.360
we've never been apart. Yeah,
I know, I've I'm you know.

854
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:02.119
During that month of March, I
celebrated my birthday and a group of my

855
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:08.320
girlfriends took me through my sister.
It was a little bit later I did

856
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:11.760
this actually, but actually went for
a bit of a spa weekend. And

857
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.039
you know, for me, the
previous couple of years, I think I

858
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:19.679
had two lockdown birthdays. So the
first one literally spent it on my own.

859
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.559
I remember lots of I say,
you spent on my own. That's

860
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.280
not entirely true. I was in
the house by myself, but I was

861
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.639
I was on zoom calls and I
got phone calls. But I remember making

862
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:33.079
brownies for myself and just thinking,
Okay, happy birthday to me kind of

863
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:39.440
thing. Next year, a group
of my friends kind of snuck me in

864
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:43.559
to do kind of birthday things.
And then you know, with my sister,

865
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:45.440
they coordinated a bit of a spa
weekend and spent some time. So

866
01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.719
again, having those connections were really
important. And when we didn't have the

867
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:55.639
opportunity to do that in the same
way, you know, you realize how

868
01:04:55.719 --> 01:04:59.239
much you can miss that and how
much you would benefit from having those people

869
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:05.800
around you. You know, encourage, encourage anybody to have your your tribe,

870
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.159
your friendship group and what have you
your support network, and you know,

871
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.840
reach out to people and look at
I think for me when I came

872
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.119
on the trip, because I'm not
always opening up to people, I think

873
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:19.920
I had to allow myself to say, you know, I men get to

874
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:23.960
know these women, and I want
them to get to know me. I

875
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.800
don't want to shut down in any
way, So I just say be open

876
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:30.039
to getting to know people. And
when they show you that you can't get

877
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.159
along with them then you just move
on. But other than that, you

878
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:38.000
know, just try yeahs, make
sure you invite. I'll send it down

879
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:45.159
myself. Anything to get rid of
the waife Petro. There are no words.

880
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:54.320
Sometimes there are no words. I
pay for and everything. But as

881
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.320
you were talking then a bit about
also when we travel to the worship as

882
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.719
well. One thing that struck me. Even though although well I speak a

883
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.280
little bit of French, as I
speak very leastily, I understand, I

884
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:09.400
mean I leard French at school,
and I recognize that actually I understood a

885
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.599
lot more than I realized. But
even though I didn't necessarily understand everything,

886
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.239
still been able to take part in
the worship service and still feel a part

887
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:21.679
of that, feel the spirit moving
as it were, and you know,

888
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:27.239
understanding what I could because we were
blessed to have translators which really did help

889
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.880
you know, the words up and
what have you, and I reckon.

890
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.559
The realization that I could kind of
understand a lot more was quite powerful for

891
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:38.519
me, because I just remember thinking, you know, they have pentecosts,

892
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.400
when actually, you know, everybody
could sort of understand what's being said in

893
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:44.199
their own language and what have you. That must have been absolutely phenomenal.

894
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:48.280
But for you, you ministered as
well. Obviously you sing and been able

895
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:54.079
to sing even though maybe people may
not necessarily have understood all the words.

896
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.920
I know, based on I say, people's comments afterwards, what have you

897
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.480
that you were still able to bless
So how does that feel sometimes maybe ministering

898
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:06.800
to an audience where they might not
understand the language or you know, does

899
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.119
that feel strange to you? Does
that feel different for you? I was

900
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:14.960
quite shocked how people, you know, came up to me and saying how

901
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.400
they were blessed, because I think
they do understand some English, you know,

902
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.800
because they listen to a lot of
Americans of course, so I think,

903
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:24.760
you know, when they came up
to me, it was genuine,

904
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:26.960
you know, and I felt it
and I was like, you know what,

905
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.159
God, if you give me this
opportunity again, I would definitely do

906
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:32.719
it again, you know, because
you can still touch people even in other

907
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:40.280
languages and everything. It's just I
can move in in a situation, so

908
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:45.000
and you use any person definitely.
Yeah, So they experienced singing in front

909
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.719
of them and how they was taken
from when I was singing and everything I

910
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.400
was I was, I was moved
by it. Yeah, definitely, definitely.

911
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:56.320
You know, it's testiment to the
power of God and how we can

912
01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.000
use Sometimes we think, I mean, you haven't a voice, so you

913
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.840
have a gift there that's able to
bless people. But you know, there

914
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.239
may be others people who may think, oh I can't I can't sing,

915
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.760
or I can't do whatever. But
actually there's so many things that God can

916
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:14.480
do with the gifts or the people
that we are that can make an impact,

917
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.039
make a difference. So again,
even though you may think, oh,

918
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.680
I'm not sure how this is going
to come over or you know,

919
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:24.399
people are gonna Yeah, it's testament
to you know, how God can use

920
01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:29.920
your gift to bless us, even
in different languages. So one thing I

921
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:34.119
noticed that I was impressed with that
even though they were singing in French,

922
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:38.399
because the beat is kind of the
same there is the music is still the

923
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.239
like. It shows how universal music
is. So like the music even though

924
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.560
the music was the same, you
can kind of tell by what they was

925
01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.119
playing, what they were singing,
even though it was a French yes,

926
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.279
and so they was and they was
kind of mixing it up. There was

927
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:54.680
doing French and English, you know, some songs with English, some songs

928
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.920
for French. But like even the
fact when a guy played for Tower,

929
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:02.680
he was able to play the song
pretty well even though he knew it mostly

930
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:06.640
as French. But because it's as
universal, it was still it will still

931
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:12.600
be able to be play from playing
singing English because music not Yeah, like

932
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.960
the notes don't change. Yeah,
language, it's just the word, yeah,

933
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.159
the way they say it. Yeah. So yeah, it was definitely

934
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.640
definite. Yeah. And the choir
who's and I'm trying to think of their

935
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:30.439
name now church sounds, Yeah,
they have the concept afterwards, I cannot

936
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.960
remember the name, but they was
they can sing them. Yeah. Yeah,

937
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.880
that was definitely And again you know
there was a lot of their songs

938
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:43.520
were in French, which again necessarily
interview the director. I can't remember his

939
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.840
name yet. I'm just as we're
doing a recap, he should be on

940
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:50.680
this as well. Yeah. They
was really nice people. They was willing

941
01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.520
to be interviewed. They was well, they was trying to talk to us

942
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:58.640
as much as they could. We
had to talk flour for them, so

943
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:05.119
they definitely they was willing to just
be a part of the whole talking point

944
01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:09.880
interviews and all day I was really
happy, how they was just willing.

945
01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:12.720
Yeah, it was really I mean, you know, we interviewed quite a

946
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.399
few some of the young people as
well, talking about the program that was

947
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:21.439
the campaign that they had invited past
the Ray over four and just kind of

948
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.159
you know, hear what they were
up to was really quite inspiring as well.

949
01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.520
You know, again really good to
see young people who were really passionate

950
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:34.960
about God, really wanted to make
a difference, and again they were.

951
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.560
It was really interesting to hear some
of the young people sort of talking about

952
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:45.199
their experience saying that actually the way
this campaign had been presented and how Pastor

953
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.920
Ray preached was very different from maybe
what they possibly had heard before and definitely

954
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.399
had an impact. You know,
it was really a real blessing to see

955
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:57.199
how many people were baptized that day
and just kind of you know, you

956
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.680
know, Rey connected with them in
a way that maybe they hadn't heard before,

957
01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:03.920
right, and you know, like
said, but everything came together,

958
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.720
the music, because the praise teams
were amazing as well. It was so

959
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:13.199
and it was so many people came
out every night. It was packed every

960
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.159
single night. Yeah, definitely,
definitely it was a blessing that leads to

961
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.439
that leads to nothing cut up,
but that leads in to the Colchester one

962
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:23.640
too, where you guys you was
you was actually at that one? Oh

963
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:30.239
yeah, yeah, yeah, I
remember. Sadly I missed my Colchester experience.

964
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.880
Was I felt like you was there? Oh No, sadly I was

965
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:38.800
not. That was me breaking down
probably about ten miles away from Yeah,

966
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:42.359
that's right, you did. That's
right. Yes, my little Honda Civic

967
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:46.960
which is no more. That's when
that's when end up getting a new that's

968
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.920
when. Yeah, it was,
you know, it was I don't even

969
01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:54.159
know what happened, but yeah,
that was my experience. But so you

970
01:11:54.279 --> 01:12:00.359
can terms a bit about Colchester because
I sadly missed that one. Unfortunately something

971
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:05.159
that she was Colchester was just kind
of the same experience. It was just

972
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.760
a one day thing though, but
it was a music day. We had

973
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:14.159
different musicians sing, and we met
a family that I can't remember where they

974
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:17.800
was from. They was from Man, I can't think where they was from.

975
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.439
They wasn't from the UK, but
they've been here for a while.

976
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:25.520
And like the whole family played.
So the daughter sang, the son played

977
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.079
the bass and also played the piano, played a couple of instruments. The

978
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.319
father played, the mother played,
and they did a couple of songs.

979
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:34.199
And then we had a group of
young ladies get up and sing a couple

980
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:42.279
of songs. They was really really
and then Twas sang too. We even

981
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.720
got Josephine to sing, got Justsephine. She did the children story, She

982
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:50.159
even sang a song, and she
did the appeal when Pastor Way preached.

983
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:58.159
So it was nice to see everybody
evolved in the program. And then we

984
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:02.359
did talking point on the stage in
the evening and that was that was fun.

985
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:05.920
I think that day I was so
beat. I was so tired that

986
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:10.640
day. I struggled to make it
through that through that show because I was

987
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.199
just so tired that day from all
the driving. Because people don't realize when

988
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.680
you drive like all weekend, then
you drive the weekend too. I was

989
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:19.479
just I didn't realize how tired it
was, so by five o'clock I was

990
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:26.000
I was struggling. But it was
still a nice experience. We got we

991
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:30.119
talked about different songs we like and
then we will sing the song. It

992
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:34.800
was a good spiritual experience, like
each person do you like and then we

993
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.520
will sing the song and stuff,
so we had like a little testimony on

994
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:43.239
that. So yeah, it was
really it was really uplifting and we really

995
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:47.159
had a real good time at that
church. Cool, that's pretty much you

996
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:55.079
would enjoyed it if you was there. Yeah, I just everything ready for

997
01:13:55.199 --> 01:14:01.880
you. Yeah, but for me, but you know it do safely.

998
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.479
I did, and in the end, you know, because I was staying,

999
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:10.479
I ended up staying up in Ipswich
hotel. Yeah, so I stayed

1000
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:13.680
in the hotel then met up with
some friends from there. So that was

1001
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.520
actually turned out turned out to be
a nice weekend at the end. So

1002
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.199
a bit of a challenge. We
never if you never did that, you

1003
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:23.479
never to saw your friends. It's
true. It's true. Everything works out

1004
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:27.520
for a reason. It's true,
you know, and you know, blessings

1005
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.399
can come in different forms. So
again, it was a really good opportunity

1006
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:32.840
to connect with another church, you
know, connect with them. And I

1007
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:38.439
know at the time, if I
remember rightly, sadly one of their young

1008
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:41.520
people had passed away. I remember, rightly, yes, yeah, yeah,

1009
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.039
you're very sad time for them,
So you know, hopefully that had

1010
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.239
provided a little bit of an uplift
during a really sad time as well,

1011
01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:51.600
get him little bit of healing because
we talked about that. I forgot about

1012
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:56.760
that. Yeah they did, and
yeah touched them deeply. That's what That's

1013
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.079
what the girls got up to sing
about, right, the young pro and

1014
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:09.920
that passed away. Yeah, so
again you know, yeah, so go

1015
01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:15.159
an opportunity to go out and share
a bit of what's happening for us or

1016
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:19.439
vice versa is always a really good
opportunity. So I'm going to play a

1017
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:26.560
piece of music here, and I'm
going to play a track that's funny.

1018
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.039
Pat you we say about playing some
Christmas music, I haven't put any in

1019
01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:30.439
this time, actually, and it's
that coming here. We've got a few

1020
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:34.279
more weeks for that to come in. But this is the track by Anita

1021
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:41.600
Wilson called We're out Here Trusting God. So we're going to have to listen

1022
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.479
to that and then we'll come back
and talk a little bit more about in

1023
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.720
our last again, time has flown
the last half hour. That's some of

1024
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:51.880
the other things that we spoke about
as well. So We're out here Trusting

1025
01:15:51.960 --> 01:16:06.359
God by Anita Wilson. If you're
feeling let me hear you singing ya all

1026
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:15.960
right, won't go within my purpose
on my mind, decided I ain't wasting

1027
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:20.399
no more time. I'm on my
grind. The thing's impossible with Jesus on

1028
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:28.760
my side. Now every day I'll
be out here walking by me. It's

1029
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:33.119
why make them moves that I made, and I won't break. There ain't

1030
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:38.279
nothing that can stoping this. Wait. Yeah, I'm just saying they trust

1031
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:43.239
saying God, I'll be praying.
Listen, Then you want to be saying

1032
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:48.399
I ain't praying. I'm just saying, be trusting God already play there she

1033
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:56.760
be waiting. Yea, she said, God, every damn dropping shopping on

1034
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:09.039
rising. I don't have to see
it ready becoming. I remember promised that

1035
01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:15.319
in me. Just know my testing
human never thing, It don't matter how

1036
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:21.000
long it is, if it meets
forever stand right here in mon, I'll

1037
01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:26.479
be out here walk in my face. That's why I'm in the move that

1038
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:31.640
I am mad. I won't break. There ain't nothing next stop this way.

1039
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:36.960
Way. I'm just sound interesting.
God just saying I'm hobby praying.

1040
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:42.359
Listen. I didn't know what he's
saying. I'm just sound interesting. God,

1041
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.600
I trusting I already claimed it.
You should be waited. Yeah,

1042
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:55.520
interesting God, every head driving.
If it's all the ridic bob it out

1043
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.680
interesting, God, I don't have
to see it. I already believe.

1044
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.479
People call me crazy great because I
trust somebody that I can't see, and

1045
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:09.640
I believe with everything in me that
I'm gonna get other things that he told

1046
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:13.159
me. So I lived my life
care free knowing that he is the key

1047
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.159
and he got everything I need.
That's what I call him, the king

1048
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.840
of King. So I go have
fun and create a little day to get

1049
01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.359
back to work. Bring the internet, because he is the bag, he

1050
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:24.039
is the check, he got the
plan, he know what's next. So

1051
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.319
every day I go a little higher, waiting on Jehovah Girah. Remember the

1052
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:35.119
ones who told you nobody but a
bad Listen and know what he's saying.

1053
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:50.079
Already clean Precia. Now they're trying
to say, and I'm here. I

1054
01:18:50.159 --> 01:19:42.960
said on trust. We're out here
trusting God. Anita Wilson, So we

1055
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:45.239
were just talking again with having a
bit of a recap of some of the

1056
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:49.079
shows that we've done throughout twenty twenty
three. There's been a lot of things

1057
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:53.000
because as we're talking about that,
I know what's kind of going through having

1058
01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.039
listening to some of the podcasts you've
got. If you always wanted to listen

1059
01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:00.119
back to Talking Point, you can
find our podcast on spree. If you

1060
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.319
go on there and search for a
Talking Point, you'll find our show.

1061
01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:08.760
So do you go back and have
a listen. But there's been so many

1062
01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:10.840
things we've talked about. Every time
I keep kind of looking and I'm like,

1063
01:20:11.199 --> 01:20:15.039
I don't remember this. I don't
remember this. But there's been a

1064
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.640
lot that we've talked about. But
with ty on again today, one of

1065
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:21.000
the one of the other shows that
we did, and a couple of shows

1066
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:26.760
that we did, was about siblings. I remember rightly. It was to

1067
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:32.960
celebrate there's lots of awareness days throughout
the year, and you know, when

1068
01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:36.039
we look at there, it's probably
an awareness day of absolutely everything. There's

1069
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:40.960
some kind of special day for something. So it was always quite interesting to

1070
01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:43.720
sort of, you know, have
a look at some of those and think

1071
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:46.119
about, you know, that's definitely
a good theme topic. But we were

1072
01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.720
looking I think it was other Brothers
and Sister's Day or National Siblings Day,

1073
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:56.439
so we would talk to some siblings. So and on that one we discovered

1074
01:20:56.880 --> 01:21:00.079
and I never realized this Pedro has
said that he told us to keep saying

1075
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:06.359
that. But I told you guys
over and over probably that she had a

1076
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:10.680
twin, yes, and I but
I did not remember. I did not

1077
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:14.520
recall this. Did not remember,
you know why, because as women,

1078
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:19.399
you don't listen to men. I
went there, Yes, I went there.

1079
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:27.399
Oh that's a te topic for another
day, another day. I need

1080
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.640
to be fair. But you probably
did tell us. I don't recall.

1081
01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:31.000
Sometimes my memory is not as good
as i'd like it to be. But

1082
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:36.159
yes, So we were talking about
siblings and our sibling relationships, and we

1083
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:43.079
had on we had a set.
We had sets of siblings and myself included,

1084
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.119
Andrek was on with her twin,
and we also had Andre and Ruel

1085
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:54.960
as well, and we had you
and your sister. Yes, yes,

1086
01:21:55.720 --> 01:22:02.359
and that was it was another sibling, no hash and her name has gone

1087
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:04.199
out of my head. So we
did a part of too, We did

1088
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.640
a part of two, That's why
I did. But we had Alison on.

1089
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:10.680
So, as I've said, we've
had you know, we've had lots

1090
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:15.520
of graetitioners on and lots of you
know, we have our resident therapists who

1091
01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.039
come in and help us. So
Alison is one of them as well.

1092
01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:20.680
So she had joined us on that
show to kind of, you know,

1093
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:28.920
give us a little of the I
suppose from a professional perspective on sibling relationships.

1094
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:30.840
Alison, did the other lady also
join us too? Now to cut

1095
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:38.880
you off, I'm sorry, quite
possibly names. I've actually had two professionals

1096
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:44.600
on first day. But yeah,
note my notes. I yeah, misslaid

1097
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:48.439
that. So but we were talking
about sibling sibling relationships. So Tara,

1098
01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.760
you are a twin, which I
was like, wow, that's amazing.

1099
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.079
I was really love to hear you
have your sister on, you know,

1100
01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.760
all the way from the state.
So appreciate Sharah coming on there. So

1101
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.199
yeah, we were talking about,
you know, again, your relationship with

1102
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:06.199
your twin. Now I have I
have sisters, so I can kind of

1103
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:12.880
understand the sister relationship with sister bond. But tell us a little bit just

1104
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:16.880
to recap in terms of what it's
like to have a twin. I have

1105
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:21.920
a couple of friends who have twins
twin siblings. But I used to think

1106
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:27.640
to myself, Oh, that'd be
really fascinating to have a twin. Oh

1107
01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.479
I think I possibly have lost these
two as well. Oh, we are

1108
01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:35.680
really having technical difficulties here. Hopefully
they'll rejoin us back. But oh,

1109
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:42.119
this seems to frozen. You can
hear us, Okay, maybe it could

1110
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.600
be my reception. Okay, you're
back. Okay, it just frowz on

1111
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:47.399
me there, ye can hear you. Yeah, it was kind of like

1112
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:54.880
it was it a lull to have
a twin sister. I was just yeah,

1113
01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:56.840
saying, what is it like to
have a twin, so I can

1114
01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:08.520
kind of yeah, Okay, having
a whore has been cause I had one

1115
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:13.079
that I can grow up with and
share everything with and talk to good and

1116
01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:18.239
bad days. And I think for
me, that's what I miss the most

1117
01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.960
being away and living abroad, is
not being able to connect with my sister

1118
01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:28.720
in the sense of just being able
to physically see her and talk to her.

1119
01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:30.479
I will say that, you know, but our bund is still pretty

1120
01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.319
tight. I talk to her a
lot, and I think it's important to

1121
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:36.720
even cause even though we may have
siblings, you may not be close to

1122
01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:41.039
them. And I know for me, I am very close to my sister.

1123
01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.960
I talk to her every day.
It's most mostly every day, even

1124
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:46.800
if it's just for a couple of
seconds or minutes or whatever. But we

1125
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.439
talk, and I just love how
we have kept our connection going even though

1126
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:55.920
our lives are so different. I'm
just glad that we able to connect with

1127
01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:59.399
each other. And if you and
I will tell anyone if you have an

1128
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.199
issue with just the ladle brother or
sister, you know, trying to make

1129
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:05.119
it right because you never know,
you know your time, can you know

1130
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:10.039
in and you don't have the opportunity, And I don't. I try not

1131
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:14.479
to. I know I shouldn't,
or I try not to let situations or

1132
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:17.800
how I may feel about a certain
situation change how I feel about our relationship

1133
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.359
and our burn and I think that's
where we have really grown as sisters.

1134
01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:26.039
Yeah, no, I can definitely, I can definitely relate to that,

1135
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:29.720
especially you know, I don't have
a twin. And it's interesting one of

1136
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:31.039
the things that we were talking about
as well, in terms of, you

1137
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.720
know, looking at sometimes age differences
or what have you. And I know

1138
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:39.800
Rul and Andre there's an age quite
a bit of an age gap between them,

1139
01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.800
but they still have quite a good
relationship between them. I know with

1140
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.680
my sister this you know, not
Nolm was five years different. But actually

1141
01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:51.119
we are incredibly close and I kind
of think as we've got older, our

1142
01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:56.560
closeness and bonds has developed more.
I think it's there's sort of the age

1143
01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:58.640
gap at certain times. So I
think, you know, when she was

1144
01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:01.600
thirteen and I'm eighty, it didn't
seem to have much in common then,

1145
01:26:02.439 --> 01:26:05.279
and we probably fought a lot and
everything else. But as we've got older,

1146
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:10.600
and as you said, lives change, you know, the things you

1147
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.479
go through, you definitely get closer. And I know, so that's that's

1148
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.760
the month. I'm not sure if
she's listening today. Maybe, but again

1149
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:20.560
she's abroad, she's in the States, so I don't see how although you

1150
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:24.800
know, when she can, she's
come over. She's over for the last

1151
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:28.199
couple of months. She left me
on Sunday, which was quite sad.

1152
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.239
But you know, again we speak, We speak every day, several times

1153
01:26:32.359 --> 01:26:35.560
day probably and probably never been closer. And there's you know, there's things

1154
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:40.039
going on for us as a family
that we are able to support each other

1155
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:45.399
with. So definitely having that kind
of bond with a sibling is incredibly important,

1156
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:48.239
and it's a really special bond as
well, you know, and even

1157
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.840
though as she said, life can
be very different in terms of your lives

1158
01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:56.119
since you're doing or where you are. To be able to still maintain those

1159
01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.960
connections, those bonds, it's really
really special. Yeah, and that's why

1160
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.720
and I thank God for you know, the technology we have today. They

1161
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.439
were able to you know, face
time and you know, do those things

1162
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:10.680
that we weren't able to do back
then. And I think that's why we're

1163
01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:14.399
able to connect and stay connected,
you know, like we are today.

1164
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.439
So I would say take advantage of
it to anyone, any sibling or family

1165
01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:21.840
member to just use that time to
just talking. And so most times we're

1166
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:27.920
talking about nothing, honest, just
we we just on the phone, sometimes

1167
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:32.319
just holding the phone, just listening
to each other. Other people literally do

1168
01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:35.960
and you know, I don't think
nothing of it. We had just been

1169
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.119
like, oh girl up here,
you know, I'm still on the phone,

1170
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:43.000
and we'll laugh about it or whatever. It's just those little things that

1171
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.680
you will miss if the opportunity was
to, you know, go So you

1172
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:51.279
know, I just I say take
advantage. So I was gonna say,

1173
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:54.479
so, yes, you see,
you guys, you grew up with your

1174
01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:58.680
siblings. I didn't have siblings growing
up. Two hours about well, no,

1175
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.600
I'm sorry, let me rephrase that. I did have siblings, but

1176
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:08.199
they were not in my immediate family
because my father had multiple children, so

1177
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:11.920
I had an older sister and then
it was me, and then I had

1178
01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.680
a younger sister, so we didn't
go up in the same household, but

1179
01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:19.279
they were my siblings in Bermuda.
And then my mother married my father when

1180
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:23.479
I was fourteen, so then I
developed a whole new family of like six

1181
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:29.319
people of brothers and sisters. So
that was pretty interesting growing up as like

1182
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:36.840
a blended family with siblings and stuff
for myself that we had a good action.

1183
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:40.720
It took a while for us to
get to get to get used to

1184
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:43.439
each other. It wasn't like it
didn't happen overnight. It took us a

1185
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.720
couple took us a couple of years. From me and my sister, I

1186
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.239
can't remember theac I think it's the
day I lit a part of my hair

1187
01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:53.159
as the day weted. I'm being
honest, I just don't. I can't

1188
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:57.000
because we because you know, she
got stuck with me since she was older

1189
01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.600
than me, so anywhere she went, I had to go. So that's

1190
01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:05.239
how we that's our relationship got strong
with my sister and myself was we got

1191
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:10.359
strong because I ended up hanging out
with everything she did, I did right,

1192
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:15.479
So I had to you know,
I'm not going to you know,

1193
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:17.000
telling myself, but you know,
just the things we did, I had

1194
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:24.720
to learn. So that was the
sister because your sister's been on the show.

1195
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.640
Yeah, So you know, as
much as it wasn't this year,

1196
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:30.600
I think it was the previous I
think last year, previous year. Yeah,

1197
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:34.640
And it's quite interesting, and we
know we were we were utilizing using

1198
01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:39.239
this program to kind of really look
at, you know, the different relationships

1199
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.520
that siblings will have with each other. I think we discussed about, you

1200
01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.199
know, in terms of and this
is where Allison's kind of expertise and knowledge

1201
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:49.479
was coming in in terms of,
you know, are there kind of sometimes

1202
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:54.079
the stereotypes like is there you know, differences between the first child or the

1203
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:57.720
middle child or the youngest child,
those kind of things, And it's quite

1204
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.720
interesting to see whether we could relate
to some of that. I'm I'm the

1205
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:04.159
eldest, so I see myself that
I've paved the way for my younger sisters

1206
01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:09.319
and other things that I did not
get away with. It's like it was

1207
01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:14.199
easy for them, and I'm like, yeah, because I took the responsibility

1208
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:19.159
being an older sibling. Was it
a lot of responsibility on you being an

1209
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:23.880
older sibling. I guess it was, And I suppose in some ways I've

1210
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:28.680
kind of took that on. You
know, I know I'm incredibly protective of

1211
01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:32.000
replect of my family, but protective
of my sisters, you know, and

1212
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:35.640
you know I will do anything I
can can to do them take the responsibility

1213
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.560
and kind of like you know,
you take on the mummy figure and what

1214
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:43.960
have you. She publigized my sister
insane, but you know, and she

1215
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.119
thinks I'm probably quite well. Actually
i'd say she's quite pussy. But people

1216
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:48.760
got bossing of each other, but
you kind of do. But I think

1217
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:51.800
it was always you know, you
are the eldest. You are the oldest

1218
01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:55.960
one. You should know better,
You need to say a good example,

1219
01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.640
that kind of stuff. So there
was that it's put upon you as a

1220
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:06.359
responsibility. But I guess part of
that was that I took the honor as

1221
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:09.800
well. But again, like I
said, it paved the way because you

1222
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.720
know, some of the things I
probably went through just made it easier for

1223
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.119
them, really know, So it
can work both ways because for me being

1224
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:18.880
I was the Blender family. My
mother. Since I was the oldest to

1225
01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:25.039
my mother, she put that kind
of those responsibilities on me, even though

1226
01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:29.119
I was not the oldest anymore.
Right, So, like when when my

1227
01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:31.880
mother had twin boy and a girl, they got away of murder because by

1228
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.680
then my parents were older, they
just was like, forget it. It

1229
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:39.439
just wouldn't do. They didn't punish
them like they punished us. But then

1230
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:45.279
they put the responsibility of Shaella and
myself onto the girl, onto the children

1231
01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:47.560
of watching them, taking care of
them and stuff, because they was always

1232
01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:51.520
doing stuff, especially on the weekends, crusades and stuff. So for me,

1233
01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:59.520
I had that responsibility even though I
was not responsible to if responsible enough

1234
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.359
to do it times. But I
still have the responsibility because I was the

1235
01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:04.960
oldest to my mother, so she
looked at me to to do a certain

1236
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:11.399
thing, whereas my father looked at
his daughter to do certain things because she

1237
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.720
was the oldest. Right Yeah.
And so then then it took a while

1238
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:16.640
because like when first we didn't like
each other at all. We hated each

1239
01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.640
other. I don't I mean not
to use that word, but we just

1240
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:21.960
did not like each other because we
was getting used. We didn't know each

1241
01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:25.239
other. So it took us a
while, but once we got to know

1242
01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:30.199
each other that we learned how to
adjust our responsibilities equally amongst each other.

1243
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:32.399
So some things I would take care
of and something she would take care of,

1244
01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:35.840
yea. So it was never like
it was never just one person.

1245
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:40.079
Was always like you. You said
you were the oldest, so you always

1246
01:32:40.079 --> 01:32:44.680
felt like responsible for for every you
know, everything that went down. We

1247
01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:48.239
kind of we was different. We
had our we knew our different responsibilities growing

1248
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:51.800
up as we got older, so
it was a little bit different for us.

1249
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:56.039
It's interesting. I guess there was
maybe a sense of rivalry between the

1250
01:32:56.119 --> 01:32:58.960
two of you at the Swiss who
could who could do the one other one

1251
01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:00.760
better? Yeah, it was kind
of that too. Yet it was a

1252
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:03.920
little competition going on there yet and
the fact that you didn't like each other.

1253
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:08.399
And I guess because you were almost
thrust into that situation, you know,

1254
01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:12.680
it's you know it maybe maybe didn't
feel like you have any choices in

1255
01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:15.880
the matter because we didn't. That
was part of it. And space we

1256
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:18.600
had no we had no space.
I remember growing up, we used to

1257
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.960
have to put a sheet between our
room. She was on one side of

1258
01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:25.760
the sheet and I was on the
other side of the sheet. Then when

1259
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.640
we moved into another house, we
had a dresser that was in between.

1260
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:30.359
She was on one side of the
dresser and I was on the other side

1261
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:33.840
of the dresser. So we think
about it. You're a teenager. You

1262
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:38.319
had your room all to yourself all
these years. Now I'm sharing it,

1263
01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:42.119
not not not just with another person, but a person of the opposite sex,

1264
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:47.039
right, Okay, So it changes
the whole dynamic, you know.

1265
01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:51.600
And so now I'm sharing it with
another a woman, a girl, and

1266
01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:55.840
I'm like, I don't I don't
want to share. She don't want to

1267
01:33:55.880 --> 01:34:00.600
share. So that was part of
it too. So yeah, to queens.

1268
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:02.920
And then we finally got our own
rooms and that was beautiful. Yeah.

1269
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:08.720
So it's definitely Allie blessing. You
know, we sometimes we can't sometimes

1270
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:13.159
we can't choose our family how that
sort of comes together, you know,

1271
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:16.840
But it's definitely where you can and
you know we're talking and that I recognize

1272
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:24.079
that every family finds things as easy
or gets on. There are many challenges

1273
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:28.399
that can impact the relationships that we
have. But you know, we're coming

1274
01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:30.359
to the end of the year and
a new year will be starting. This

1275
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:34.840
potentially could be an opportunity where you
can maybe sort of see whether actually things

1276
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:41.199
that have been happening can be you
can work towards, whether it's a resolution

1277
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:45.600
or some healing and what have you
to be able to kind of, you

1278
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:49.920
know, restart those relationships again if
they're broken, or look in ways that

1279
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:54.720
you can strengthen your relationship. I
recognize that's not always easy and main need

1280
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:59.319
some external support and help with that, you know, because you kind of

1281
01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:02.319
think it's like be a very it
must be very very sad when you know

1282
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:05.960
you have family that you don't connect
with. You know, I have that

1283
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:09.720
experience myself, and you know,
as much as I'm saying this, I

1284
01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.560
think, you know, what can
I do differently? How can I reach

1285
01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:15.279
out? How can I do whatever? It may not happen, And sometimes

1286
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:19.479
things are like that for very good
reason, and sometimes that's the best thing

1287
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:24.239
in that situation. But if you
have the opportunity to make a connection,

1288
01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.239
then possibly that could be something has
we come to the end of the year

1289
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:32.279
when we reflect on and you know
this time of the year people do reflect

1290
01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:36.199
on that, you know, doing
during this Christmas period in this this season

1291
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:42.119
it's not. It's not always easy
for people for various different reasons. So

1292
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.199
you know, this could be a
time of reflection, it could be time,

1293
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:48.720
it could be time of what have
you as well. So yeah,

1294
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:55.079
so, yeah, siblings, it's
an interesting one. God and love them

1295
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:59.479
as they say. As one of
my favorites of the year. That was

1296
01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.399
my favorite because it was just fun
to listen to different people. I think

1297
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:06.720
and and Andrea and his brother was
talking about that because remember Andrea's brother was

1298
01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:11.000
like ten fifteen years, like thirteen
years younger than him, so he grew

1299
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:15.640
up differently, same parents, but
grew up different than Andrea because of the

1300
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:18.800
age of the age gap. So
it was just fun to hear, like

1301
01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:23.199
you said, just to hear the
difference of how things can change, and

1302
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:27.000
just the difference of bringing you know, you bring up your children different and

1303
01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:30.640
even with the same parents, it's
not necessarily blended family, just even to

1304
01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:34.159
say it could be different. So
that were two of my favorite shows for

1305
01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:38.199
the year, definitely, and I
think you know the idea that we've been

1306
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:43.039
you know, looking at different relationships
throughout the year as well. Very quickly

1307
01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:46.760
we talked about Father's Day as well. We did a sort of musical tribute

1308
01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:54.239
around fatherhood, and we had Stephen
Fuller on sharing his experience of being a

1309
01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:58.319
young father. He has two children, and you know, the sense of

1310
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:01.800
responsibility that he has that he feels
looking at how his own relationship with his

1311
01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:06.680
own father may have shaped some of
how he parents as well. You know,

1312
01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:12.600
it's a learning experience and you know, ultimately we look into our heavenly

1313
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:15.880
father to help guide us and what
have you. But there's so much more

1314
01:37:15.039 --> 01:37:18.960
that we try and do within our
own relationships as well. And the idea

1315
01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:23.359
also a brotherhood as well. You
know, again that's kind of an extension

1316
01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:28.319
of you know, the siblings,
but also when we think about our relationships

1317
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.039
within our church communities, you know, we are brothers and sisters or we

1318
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:34.239
are brother and sisters keepers that kind
of thing as well. So and we

1319
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:40.439
touched on the idea of how we
can connect and part of that also was

1320
01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:44.640
around the whole idea of men connecting
as well. Later on in the year,

1321
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:46.840
we have looked at the men's chat
and we'll talking about be a little

1322
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:50.199
bit more on our next recap show. But again, we know, as

1323
01:37:50.279 --> 01:37:54.359
women, we love to talk,
we love to share and reconnect, and

1324
01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:59.520
sometimes men don't necessarily do that in
the same way. I'd like to think

1325
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:03.680
that they still they do connect to
have the right way. However, studies

1326
01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:14.359
have shown and when we think about
studiest ladies can lie ask me and maybe

1327
01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.640
they opening up now, but a
lot of me and hold back a lot

1328
01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:21.560
of the This is what I'm going
to tell you something real quick. For

1329
01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:27.880
a man from a mental perspective that
I've learned over the years, until a

1330
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:32.520
man could be honest with himself,
he cannot share. Yeah, yeah,

1331
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.640
I believe that, plain and simple. You say why men don't share,

1332
01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:40.880
why they don't talk, because they, honestly, I can be honest with

1333
01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:45.199
themselves sometimes and then sometimes two when
they do talk, they're shut down.

1334
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:53.800
There have been there are extra size
they are or just your feelings. You

1335
01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:57.079
shouldn't feel that way, like they're
put there, put they put back.

1336
01:38:57.640 --> 01:38:59.279
So then they said, we if
you're not going to listen, Like if

1337
01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:00.600
I say to my wife's something that
she just kind of shuts me down,

1338
01:39:01.239 --> 01:39:05.680
I'm not going to bring it up
again because why because she's not listening to

1339
01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:09.159
me anyway. So if you're not
being listened, if you feel like you're

1340
01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:11.600
not being It's just like a woman. A woman wants to be listened to

1341
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:17.319
herd and seen. Men are the
same way. Reason the society doesn't look

1342
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:20.920
at it that way. They don't. They don't want to listen to a

1343
01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:28.560
male or be or see the male, especially if he's being what's that word,

1344
01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:31.840
If he's being what's the word?
What's the word? If he's being

1345
01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:38.119
true to himself or just being pure, just being honest. They don't want

1346
01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:41.119
to hear that. And then sometimes
they say, if you're being if I'm

1347
01:39:41.159 --> 01:39:44.279
being honest, oh, he's being
too aggressive. So if I'll be aggressive,

1348
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:45.399
I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna
say that because you think I'm gonna

1349
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:49.399
be aggressive. So it's like a
male. We have so much. Women

1350
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:51.840
have it hard to I'm not saying
women don't have it hard, but I'm

1351
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:56.920
just saying I'm just talking about from
a male perspective as why men don't really

1352
01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:01.960
talk some of those things by unfortunately
society. And I'm going to use the

1353
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:06.720
word society in terms of the messaging
that and I say society, not even

1354
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:11.520
men as children. You know,
the conditioning of boys and girls, the

1355
01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:15.119
gender stereotypes, all those kind of
things, those kind of the messaging and

1356
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.079
how. And again this is not
necessarily a talk on how people are parenting

1357
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:21.840
or what have you, but there
are certain stereotypes and the way men should

1358
01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:26.880
be, women should be, boys
should be, girls should be And unfortunately,

1359
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.119
some of those things feed into that. So, you know, the

1360
01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:33.800
idea that men don't talk, that's
come from somewhere, you know. And

1361
01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:36.439
at the end of the day,
as you said, when you know,

1362
01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:40.439
boys aren't necessary boys, you know, if they're rough and tumble and everything

1363
01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:43.359
else. And actually if you're seen
to be otherwise, that's seen as they

1364
01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.520
really negative thing. You know,
you need to be tough, you need

1365
01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:48.359
to mannite up, all those kind
of things, all those kind of comments.

1366
01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:53.600
So that shapes a lot of how
then men respond to certain things.

1367
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:56.920
How they don't open up, they
don't do that. And unless we're able

1368
01:40:56.960 --> 01:41:00.199
to sort of change that narrative.
You know, we're talking about stats and

1369
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:03.319
research and what have you. We've
covered a lot of things around mental health.

1370
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:09.039
You know, the highest number of
people who men who take their own

1371
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:13.319
life is those very same you know, are men and certain age groups as

1372
01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:15.920
well. So again, you know, there's a lot to be said around

1373
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:20.239
how men are able to connect with
their own emotions and feelings, and that

1374
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:25.640
being unable to have a space where
they can explore those things without that,

1375
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:29.760
as you said, being ostracized or
looked down on or treated differently, just

1376
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:34.640
completely shut down. But now we're
running into a new problem because now along

1377
01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:41.239
with that issue, the way society
is raising our young women, they're raising

1378
01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:47.399
them in a manly form. So
now some women are not talking either because

1379
01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:53.479
they've been told tough up, tough
up, you know, and you know

1380
01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.760
what I mean, like they,
oh, you know, you're a woman.

1381
01:41:56.800 --> 01:41:59.319
You can handle it yourself. You
don't need a man to handle it

1382
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:03.720
for you like that. So we're
coming to that generation now, whereas it's

1383
01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:06.800
even kind of filtering over to the
women, to the young girls too,

1384
01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.680
to a turn a stent. But
like I said, that's a whole other

1385
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:15.800
I don't want to point that out, you know, but you realigius have

1386
01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:20.640
much. You know, society is
shaping and you know this is where parents

1387
01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:25.880
have such an important role, you
know, And I say parents, you

1388
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:30.199
know, parents, extended family.
If you're single or married, that is,

1389
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.520
you have such an important part to
play in how you can kind of

1390
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:38.920
foster and bring up your children in
the sense of you know, being you

1391
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:41.560
know, like I said, open, honest, being able to have a

1392
01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:45.279
conversation. You know, again,
we're always encouraging parents, and as I'm

1393
01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:50.119
saying this, I recognize how challenging
that can be because sometimes we don't necessarily

1394
01:42:50.119 --> 01:42:54.039
know the right things to say or
how to go about it, or if

1395
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:58.920
things aren't working, you know,
it's understanding or what every child is different,

1396
01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:00.600
every person is different, what the
best thing is to do there.

1397
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:04.720
But again we want to as a
show called Talking Point, we want to

1398
01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:11.239
encourage conversation and talking, making those
connections where you can otherwise you know,

1399
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:15.840
you know, children will grow up
to people who don't connect, have difficulties,

1400
01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:20.079
you know, engaging with their emotions
and their feelings. And then what

1401
01:43:20.279 --> 01:43:25.479
comes from that is you know,
people having their own mental health challenges and

1402
01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:29.479
difficulties, you know, and how
they're connecting and engaging from day to day.

1403
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:32.560
So you know, there's a lot
to be said around the relational side

1404
01:43:32.600 --> 01:43:36.800
of life and that you know,
we've covered various different things on that as

1405
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:44.720
well. And then we are fast
approaching that seven o'clock time, just as

1406
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:46.800
both of you are on here and
we're looking back over twenty twenty three.

1407
01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:51.199
How would you sum up? I
was thinking about us as some sort of

1408
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:57.439
closing thought, How would you sum
up twenty twenty three for you? If

1409
01:43:57.439 --> 01:43:59.720
you could sum up? I was
gonna say in a couple of words,

1410
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:03.600
lady. First, I thought,
I'm kind of still thinking about that,

1411
01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:08.640
but I will say, I'm just
glad that I made it through the whole

1412
01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:14.920
year, and God has blessed me
to still be here with my family and

1413
01:44:15.039 --> 01:44:17.840
everything. So I would say it's
not been a bad year. You know,

1414
01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:23.319
I can't complain at all, you
know. Yeah, that was that.

1415
01:44:23.439 --> 01:44:28.880
That's pretty much it for me.
Yeah, Pat For me, twenty

1416
01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:35.079
twenty three has been a learning experience. I think this year has has shown

1417
01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:40.119
the changes that are going on in
the world, and it's showing that we

1418
01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:45.880
need to be more attentive to what's
going on, to the little nuances and

1419
01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:49.680
the little things that are happening,
and pay attention because we don't. Twenty

1420
01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:53.279
twenty four is going to hit us
and they're gonna be Harry, we ain't

1421
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:55.600
gonna know what happened. We're gonna
be like, when did that star happening?

1422
01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:57.399
We're like, oh, twenty twenty
three and we're like, what when

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where? So for me, twenty
twenty three has been a learning experience and

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01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:08.800
paying more attention, doing things different. Yeah, just be more just being

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01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:15.000
more in tune with my with teenagers, with children, with my spouse,

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01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:21.119
with myself, with my friends,
just being more attentive in the things that

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I do, being more deliberate in
what I do. Okay, Yeah,

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01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:31.439
yeah, that's interesting. I think
similar to you Pedro, actually the idea

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01:45:31.479 --> 01:45:35.119
of it being a learning experience.
I mean, again, with Utah,

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01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:40.079
I'd say definitely glad that I've made
it through because I would say it's been

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01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.800
for me, it's been a pretty
tough year for various reasons. But again,

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01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:45.680
you know, and one thing with
Talking Point, there's been a lot

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01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:48.119
that you know, we do our
own research, you come up with ideas

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01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:53.359
for topics and things. What have
you Definitely learn a lot, you know,

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01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:56.600
I like to research, I like
to look at things. But it's

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01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:00.600
been really really good to get practitioners
on professionals on their field just to kind

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01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:04.560
of hear their perspectives on stuff.
That's been really really important and really you

1438
01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:09.319
know, challenges your thinking on stuff
because as you may think you have a

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01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:14.399
level of understanding or knowledge, but
there's always something to learn, always something

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01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:17.159
that they can take from something and
can learn from other people. So you

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01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:20.279
know, all the shows that we've
done, where we've gone through, but

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01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:25.000
again, on a personal level,
I think one thing that's been really important.

1443
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:30.039
It's a concept of memory. Some
you know, some may know that

1444
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:33.960
my mum has dementia. So the
idea that's, you know, somebody's losing

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01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:39.479
their memories but you're still trying to
create them as you're going along. But

1446
01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:43.600
the idea that actually, you know, time flies by so quickly and you're

1447
01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:47.800
trying to sort of look back and
reflect on things, and the idea of

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01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:51.800
memory being really important, and it's
really important to create memories and do things

1449
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:56.800
to kind of capture those moments where
you can, because they could be fleeting

1450
01:46:56.840 --> 01:47:00.079
gone just like that. But as
you and I say all of that to

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01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:04.600
say that despite all the challenges that
are going on in the world, and

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01:47:04.840 --> 01:47:08.039
you know, there are so many
things, my heart goes out and at

1453
01:47:08.079 --> 01:47:11.319
the moment I'm not really even listening
to the news that much because I'm finding

1454
01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:14.960
a bit too distressing. But there
are still good things that have happened.

1455
01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.600
We've still been blessed to get to
this point. You know, it's been

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01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:20.439
a hard year. There's been lots
of losses, lots of ups and downs

1457
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:25.479
for people. So heart goes out
to anybody who's you know, any recent

1458
01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:30.039
bereavements or people who are unwell.
But we have been blessed throughout this year.

1459
01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:34.239
And having the opportunity to connect with
people, to talk to people,

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01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:39.199
to share what we have to say
and our thoughts on that and you're kind

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01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:43.840
of raising awareness definitely been important.
So I've definitely been glad for that.

1462
01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:46.199
But I said some that I've been
a few words, but I really want

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01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:50.560
to kind of end with one of
my favorite texts, and you know,

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01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:54.159
as we're coming to the end of
our show today, when I thank you

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01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:59.079
all for listening in. If you
have any thoughts on any of your favorite

1466
01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:02.159
shows or any points that we've talked
about, please do pop over to Spreaker

1467
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:06.479
spreaker dot co dot uk. I
do believe it is and check out Adventage

1468
01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:11.800
Radio London and Talking Points and have
listened to any of the shares that we've

1469
01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:15.840
done. But I really want to
leave one of my favorite texts, which

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is Isaiah forty verse thirty one.
But those who hope in the Lord will

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01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:23.880
renew their strength. They will soar
on wings like eagles. They will run

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01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.479
and not grow weary. They will
walk and not be faint. That sometimes

1473
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.760
has summed up what sometimes my day
to day can be like, because like

1474
01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:35.640
this week, I felt like I'm
exhausted, I'm shattered, But you know,

1475
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:40.960
I'm sort of thankful that God still
gives me the strength, still gives

1476
01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:45.560
me the opportunity that you know,
he and I believe that He's there going

1477
01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:48.439
to help me find the energy,
find the kind of will to kind of

1478
01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:51.560
you know, continue and do things. And you know, ultimately I know

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01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:56.359
hopefully then yes, I can soar. I can There'll be one day where

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01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:59.640
we're not going to have any aches
and pains, and I hope and prove

1481
01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:02.239
that, you know, myself along
with all the you know when else,

1482
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:04.680
will make it to Heaven and we
can kind of, you know, sit

1483
01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:10.640
down with God and have a really
good, interesting conversation with him about you

1484
01:49:10.720 --> 01:49:14.920
know, what life has been like. But I want to encourage, you

1485
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:17.159
know, as we're coming to the
end of twenty twenty three, to really

1486
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:21.039
kind of look back and reflect on, you know, how the year has

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01:49:21.079 --> 01:49:25.840
been for you. I hope there
have been many blessings throughout that year,

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01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:30.079
and I pray that there will be
blessings to come. So I'm going to

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01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:33.800
say thank you for joining us on
talking Point today. I apologize for the

1490
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:39.319
technical difficulties that we've had sometime.
Technology is fantastic, but it can fail

1491
01:49:39.399 --> 01:49:42.680
us just like anything else. Unfortunately, we lost Sennya because she was able

1492
01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.359
to get back onto the zoom call, so shout out to her for trying

1493
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:49.640
to persevere. But I hope you
back with us next week as we'll be

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01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:54.680
doing another continuation of the recap for
the rest of the year. And thank

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01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:57.439
you Tara for joining us today.
And I hope you feel better having me

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01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:01.000
soon. And Pedro is always great
her host lots to say, so I'm

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01:50:01.039 --> 01:50:06.000
going to end with a song by
Jonathan Reynolds. God is good because he

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01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:11.399
is in pray out. Oh yes
we are, so I'll as you.

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01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:17.960
I've been waiting for you to ask
me okay, yes, so let's just

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01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.920
do it quickly. That's thank you
having if we want to thank you for

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01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:26.880
bringing us together for this talking point
session. We asked a lot that whoever

1502
01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:29.800
was listening man I've got something from
it, as we have got something from

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01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:31.680
it. Continue to be off us
as we are now going to the end

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01:50:31.720 --> 01:50:34.520
of the year into the new year. Continue to bless us, watch overs

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01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:38.960
and protect us. Or you're gracing
your mercy for this opera and your holy

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01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:42.239
name. Amen, Amen, thank
you, it's been Talking Point. Thank

1507
01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:45.920
you for joining us again. Please
do tune into Advantage Radio London for over

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01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:55.520
tomorrows live programming starting with I Believe
Family matters, hope and I can't remember

1509
01:50:55.560 --> 01:51:00.560
the others, but cheating in any
way, there'd be something here my marriage

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01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:06.279
here, my marriage new Brandy.
Do listen in. But thank you for

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okay, yeah, definitely cheering marriage. There's a business show, there's a

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01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:17.039
lot song, so do tune into
Adventis Radio London. But ultimately and to

1513
01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:20.560
thank you for listening to Talking Point, enjoy the rest of your evening and

1514
01:51:20.680 --> 01:51:25.039
the rest of the weekend, and
just know that God is indeed good.

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01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:30.840
Thank you and good night. See
you again, Bye bye. Adventist Radio

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London. Inspiration for the song