WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:07.799 This is the Baseline discussing the hot button topics of the nb A. Welcome 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:12.759 everybody, your tune to the Baseline. Kylie warren Shaw discussing the hot button 3 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:18.359 topics of the NBA. And while my man is out there gallivanting around the 4 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:22.239 world, you know that the train, the baseline train, don't stop, 5 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:27.839 man. And it's always awesome when a show like the one that we've had 6 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:33.679 the opportunity to build and construct has the ability more than anything else, to 7 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.079 like stand on its own, you know, to continue to move forward. 8 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:42.280 And we always love and appreciate those those opportunities to be able to bring on 9 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:47.280 uh, people who we've had on our show previously, people who we've collaborated 10 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.479 with in this industry. And we always feel like whenever we bring family on, 11 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.840 man, we never skip a beat, nothing's missed. And so I 12 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.439 would be remissed if while my man is out there living his best life, 13 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.960 you know what, I'm s and euro tripping with his significant other and we 14 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.200 got everything happening right now in the association, had to put the power pile 15 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.920 together and say, who do we want to come on here to help hype 16 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.519 things up, And of course, out out of the You know what I'm 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:22.000 saying out of the Magic Blue A man, Steven Cameron. If everybody remembers 18 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.480 him rolling with the nineteen media family and he had his show, but now 19 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.239 he's doing bigger, better things as well too. Don't get it twisted. 20 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:34.719 Still down with the Magic, still doing his thing, but you can always 21 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.719 now catch him on the Close Up with Orlando Magic HQ. He does it 22 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:45.959 every other week on Tuesdays. You go to www dot Orlando magichq dot com 23 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.680 on Man, Steven Cameron stiff. We canna make you say, I stepfortless? 24 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.879 What's going on? My brother? Yo? Cal? What is going 25 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.400 on? Man? It's always good to come on this show and chop it 26 00:01:55.480 --> 00:02:00.439 up with you. Energy's high, psych is high. I just watched the 27 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:07.039 Orlando Magic at their asses kicked by the Dallas Mavericks. So we are but 28 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:12.280 we're letting that page just kind of simmer and we're moving forward and uh man, 29 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:14.680 I'm like to talk some basketball with you. Man, exactly, not 30 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.039 the type of magic trick that you wanted the week to start off with, 31 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.240 right, Like, you know what I'm saying, That's not what you wanted 32 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.719 to pull out of that. You know what I'm saying when it came to 33 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.680 but you're hoping to get the W but we're here. We're here. This 34 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.159 is good because we've gotta we've gotta say called shock and awe. Right, 35 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.759 yes, so we got a little bit of all you got a little shock, 36 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.879 We got a little bit of aut are we going to discuss when it 37 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.520 pertains to the Orlando Magic, but also as well to man our show. 38 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:44.319 You know, we're gonna cover some things going on so far. Was the 39 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:50.520 first week or so of the NBA season, kicking off NBA Tourney, which 40 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.639 is in full gear, I guess you can say, and just you know, 41 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.400 all together, man, it's just been an excited first couple of weeks 42 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:02.000 of NBA basketball being played and so you know, let let's let's do this 43 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:07.719 right like, so, I know it's been a minute since I've had you 44 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:13.800 had the opportunity to jump on. Let our listeners know and remind everybody, 45 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:19.360 you know what I'm saying, what it means for you to have the opportunity 46 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.800 to talk basketball, cover the magic, you know, doing what you've been 47 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:29.680 doing for as while. Let give people a little insight of how sc operates. 48 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:34.159 All right, all right, all right, so uh yeah, I'll 49 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:38.199 give the backstory, but I'll keep it short and sweet. Been covering the 50 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:44.680 team since like twenty and sixteen. Started doing my own show outside of what 51 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.919 I was doing in the beginning around twenty eighteen, called The Close Up Magic. 52 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.439 That's when I got connected with you guys. The baseline show you guys 53 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:59.080 were actually uh I think it was like my third guest on the third episode 54 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.919 you were. You were on my third episode, third or fourth somewhere around 55 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:09.639 there, so very early in it was September, mid September of twenty eighteen. 56 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.080 I remember looking this up. Just a few weeks ago. I was 57 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.000 kind of wrapping up shop on that chapter of my life, but pretty quickly 58 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:19.480 got a credentialed media with the Magic living here in the West Coast. I 59 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:23.920 grew up in Orlando, flew out to the West Coast in twenty fourteen, 60 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.160 got bored of talking to Warriors fans, so I started a podcast to talk 61 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:31.319 about magic. And then just recently this summer, I decided to wrap up 62 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.000 and close up shop on my old show called The Close Up Magic. That 63 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:39.040 was a podcast I was doing by myself. I had some people helping me 64 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:41.720 out on the back end and stuff, But it was really just kind of 65 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.720 me running the ship and doing all the back end work and things like that, 66 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:50.279 and decided to join ship with my homies Alan Anthony over at Orlando Magic 67 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:56.000 HQ, who've been doing a phenomenal job covering the team in article and podcast 68 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:00.720 form, and I am just now joining my show similar format, a couple 69 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.720 less time, a little less frequent. It's now twice a month occasional, 70 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:09.240 we'll do a bonus episode in there maybe three times a month. You can 71 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:15.360 find it on Wednesdays on the Orlando Magic HQ feed. We have reporters that 72 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.240 go to every single home game. We got people that watch and write articles 73 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.519 based on every single game and transaction and news and rumor that comes on the 74 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:29.199 Orlando Magic. So it's not just a podcast platform, it's a It truly 75 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:33.639 is a Orlando Magic news centric platform. I mean, if you remember, 76 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:38.199 like the forms on Real GM, we even have our own form for the 77 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.560 Orlando Magic on Orlando Magic HQ. So that's how I'm rocking, That's how 78 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.319 I'm covering the team right now. It's been a lot of fun with this 79 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.480 new transition. Uh but but honestly, right now, the most exciting thing 80 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:54.000 is being right here in this chair talking to you on the baseline talking about 81 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.959 the NBA. Gonna get digging, get deep into some thoughts tonight. Absolutely, 82 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.399 man, And look, let's not let it be said. The NBA 83 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:09.600 always finds a way to kind of surprise us with how they you know, 84 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.519 roll the season out right, So I know we'll talk a little bit about, 85 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.600 you know, the emergence of the you know, inaugural in season tournament, 86 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:24.879 but I wanted to get your thoughts about how this NBA season has has 87 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:28.759 started. Like, you know, first of all, props to the Orlando 88 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.199 Magic, right, and we're gonna take us spend a few minutes talking about 89 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:38.040 them, But props to the Orlando Magic because we've been waiting for a long 90 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.560 time to see what comes of what's taking place with Orlando over the last five 91 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.920 or six years, with the massive talent and and and you know what they've 92 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.199 drafted, and I mean, you can even make the argument that they are 93 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:57.959 still players that have not really even helped to scratch the surface of what this 94 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.439 team could potentially be. But the foundation is absolutely solid. And I always 95 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:06.120 believe that you have a good indication of whether or not there is longevity in 96 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:13.680 what they've done. If the team finally takes advantage of coming out of the 97 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:18.600 gate strong, not showing signs of struggles early, and that this is going 98 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.399 to be a much longer season than everyone anticipated. I think this is finally 99 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:28.800 the year where people have a reason to feel optimistically excited, regardless of what 100 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.839 the circumstance is going to be at the end of the regular season. People 101 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:38.240 who are you know, loyal Magic fans, people who are wanting clamoring to 102 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:42.399 be Magic fans, are really excited to see these group young group of guys 103 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.959 go out there and really compete in ball out and it's yielding early results already. 104 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.759 Yeah, I mean it's fun. So, I mean, the Magic 105 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.199 did just lose to the to the Mavericks tonight, and so they are now 106 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.879 four and three. But you know, you got a young team that had 107 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.120 a very very strong home opener versus the Houston Rockets, a team that they 108 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.439 should beat, and they beat them, and then they immediately went on a 109 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.360 four game West Coast road trip after the very first they get one game on 110 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.360 the East Coast and they go straight out west to hit the Blazers back to 111 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.759 back versus the Lakers and the Clippers hit the Jazz come right back home, 112 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:28.079 just to have the Lakers come to Amway Center in Orlando and have to face 113 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.439 them after a four game road trip. So it was it was no rest 114 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:33.320 for the Wicked, right, they just had to go right right into it. 115 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.559 And my whole thought was, if they can come out of this West 116 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.919 Coast road trip be in five hundred or or you know, close to that, 117 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.919 we'll be good. You know, we young team goes straight on a 118 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.519 huge West Coast road trip to start the season. That's tough. That's tough 119 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.200 even for a veteran team on the East. So, you know, we 120 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.720 come out of that West Coast road trip three and two. Then we stomped 121 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:05.279 the Lakes by nineteen points at home to go four and two, and then 122 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.120 we are out four rotation players and have a really good fight against the Mavericks 123 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.519 tonight. We kind of let the rope go a little bit on the third 124 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.200 quarter, couldn't bring it back up. But I mean, I think I 125 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:20.000 just say all that without getting too detailed in every single game, but more 126 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.840 so just to talk about the culture to be able to go through that adversity 127 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.399 of having a really rough schedule right in the beginning, you know, you 128 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.120 have some injury issues kind of right towards the beginning too, Game four or 129 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:39.440 five versus the Jazz, our starting center when olcartera junior, goes up for 130 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:43.600 a last second rebound to help control that win of the over that team and 131 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.279 breaks his hand and he's out. We win against the Lakers with a third 132 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.679 string center and a third string point guard in the starting lineup because Markel Foltz 133 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.600 was also out, and that third string center Goga Bitatse and our third string 134 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:05.600 point guard Anthony Black, who we just drafted in the sixth pick. They 135 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:09.320 have the highest UH plus minus on the team and on the court for the 136 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:15.120 entire night when we whooped the Lakers. But so again not going too deep 137 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.240 into all the little ins and outs of the game, but I just say 138 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:22.240 that is like this team is deeper than people realize. They have a very 139 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.080 strong culture. They want to play for each other, and I think you're 140 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.279 seeing that right now with how they're fighting through the adversity of a hard schedule 141 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:35.600 and already dealing with some unfortunate injuries with this team. So it's been fun. 142 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.919 You're seeing Paulo continue to to take that step as Rookie of the Year 143 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:41.159 from last year. A little bit of a slow start in the beginning, 144 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:46.639 but already had a thirty point game, twenty five point game, Franz Wagner 145 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.519 being a two way beast after his Foba summer. It's just been a lot 146 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.879 of fun Caalid and I can't be more excited as a as a Magic fan 147 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.039 today. Well, I want to I want to touch on polow And and 148 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.840 Wagner because I truly believe that you're seeing the emergence of a legit dynamic duo. 149 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.679 And it's interesting to me because I was a little bit on the fence 150 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:13.639 about whether or not the Orlando Magic really are totally dug in or have bought 151 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.279 into Pollo being the man for that team, because I think for a while 152 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:24.519 the Magic have been resting on the hopes. I think of Jonathan Isaac being 153 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.639 that guy, you know, and he's just it's weird, how you know, 154 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.360 his career so to speak, has kind of, you know, tail 155 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.440 spinned out where people are not even really people are just even like if you're 156 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.200 the Magic, you're grateful that he's even probably going to be able to be 157 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.759 on the basketball corporate under no circumstances do you find that there is a level 158 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.879 of confidence that he should be the person who is, you know what I'm 159 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.480 saying, the franchise player for this team moving forward. I think everybody recognizes 160 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:00.159 Apollo is that dude. And then now you've got, you know, know, 161 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.240 an opportunity for Wagner to come in and he doesn't necessarily have to be 162 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.399 the man. I think there's still a lot of work ahead of him, 163 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.600 but you see the upside and potential. And this to me iterily reminds me 164 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120 a lot of what people are seeing or saying about the Oklahoma City Thunder, 165 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.679 you know, out in the Western Conference right like what we're seeing from the 166 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.399 Magic in the East, that there is a young core of you know, 167 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.559 dudes that are ready to run, some thoroughbreds ready to go. And I 168 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.639 think they just need the right coaching, they need the Rite system, and 169 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:35.480 they just need to build around that right mentality of learning how to win even 170 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.960 when they're losing. And I think this is the season that we're kind of 171 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.440 starting to see that, especially with the kind of schedule that was already presented 172 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.120 to them in the first week, Like you can really see that this team 173 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:54.200 is persevering. Yeah, one hundred percent agree on a lot of that. 174 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:00.519 This is kind of like the season for the Magic where expectations for the team 175 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:05.200 have been laid out. It's playoffs, it's not it's not almost making the 176 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.519 play in. It's not let's get a good lottery pick, it's not making 177 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:15.039 the play in. Like I think if the team made the tenth seed or 178 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.080 the ninth seed and didn't get out of the play in, I think the 179 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:20.360 team and the coaches in the front office would consider it a failure because they 180 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.440 want this team to get to the next step, because they want to see 181 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.840 what Paulo and Franz can do in the playoffs and see how to continue to 182 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.879 build this team around those individuals. So they've been preaching it all year, 183 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:37.799 which is is interesting because it's not something they've spoke about in years past. 184 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.600 Right, It's been the cute word that's been said, but without real kind 185 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.320 of expectations there, and now it is they're saying it with a different tone, 186 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.639 a different their chest held out just a little bit differently this year when 187 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:54.279 they say the word playoffs and that's where they want to go, and that's 188 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.000 that's the expectations, and so I think this is the year we we don't 189 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.720 even just kind of like, was Paulo a one off? Or is he 190 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.440 going to continue being the man that we think he can be? Is he 191 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:09.080 gonna take his game to that next level defensively and as a playmaker and as 192 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:16.559 a high IQ score to be that superstar corner franchise player for this team. 193 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.840 Is Franz Wagner going to be able to live next to him? Can they 194 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.600 both be Batman and Batman, not Batman and Robin, Because that's kind of 195 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.279 what these guys are right now, and that's kind of how they view each 196 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.840 other too. They don't have a problem sharing the ball with each other. 197 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.399 They love to set each other up with different cuts and passes to the open 198 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.519 three, or sometimes just step back and let them cook an iso the guy 199 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.679 in front of them. They really do truly enjoy playing with each other, 200 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:48.720 and I think they recognize the power of having two six to ten wings that 201 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.720 can dribble, pass and shoot and defend. Right that's rare, that's really 202 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.759 special for this league. And I think they kind of understand the foundation that 203 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:03.720 those two can have together. So it's fun, man, It's watching them 204 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.399 if you ever get a chance this year, you know, tap into a 205 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.799 couple of magic games and then just kind of key in on those two individually 206 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.240 and how they communicate, how they act on the court together, because it's 207 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.120 it's a lot of fun, and sure there's some growing pains, right Franz 208 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.039 the other night took twenty eight shots versus the Lakers. We still got the 209 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:24.559 w wasn't the most efficient of his of his shots. He's kind of figuring 210 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.799 out, like, yeah, I gotta continue to be aggressive with my scoring, 211 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.639 but you know, like maybe I gotta be a little bit smarter with 212 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:35.879 how and when I take that. And he's gonna figure that out. He 213 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.759 ain't gonna be taking twenty eight shots every night. But you know, right 214 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.600 now, Franz is averaging nineteen points a game, almost twenty. Paulo, 215 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.000 he's had at he had a little bit of a slow spart. He's averaging 216 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.879 seventeen to eighteen points a game right now. That'll get closer to twenty in 217 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.240 a couple more games, I guarantee, And so it's been a lot of 218 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.320 fun. Jonathan Isaac, he's just bonus at this point. He comes off 219 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.720 the bench for us. If we can keep him healthy towards the playoffs, 220 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:06.080 you know, we'll be using him really key on key defensive matchups here and 221 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.799 there, because that really is his calling card. It's it's not the offense, 222 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:14.960 it's the defense with him, and you know it's he's already yeah, 223 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.720 So I'll just leave it at that. Man, those two are are are 224 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.960 gonna be special. We got to figure out kind of what the rest of 225 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:23.879 this team looks like around them. Are the guards going to be able to 226 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:30.039 apply enough enough shooting and spacing for Franz and Paulo to kick out to and 227 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.200 help create that space. Right now, teams are really kind of dropping in 228 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.960 and clogging the pain a little bit, making a little bit harder to operate 229 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.559 because we don't have the best outside shooting on this team. So there's some 230 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.720 roster decisions that will be made in the next twelve months on this team as 231 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.279 well. But that's what the season is all about, figuring out how this 232 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.879 team operates on a high level with high expectations. Well, so you bring 233 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.600 up a couple of really good points, and I think we'll have an opportunity 234 00:16:55.639 --> 00:17:00.240 to highlight that in a moment or so. I'm curious you know, from 235 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:06.839 from your perspective, what is it going to take like, So we can 236 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:12.799 already see that this team has a defensive mindset that I think Jamal Mosley has 237 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.759 has really kind of amped up the and influenced them. You know, if 238 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.480 they want to compete, if they want to be in games, they have 239 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:23.400 to be better defensively, which is one of the things that the Magic you 240 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:30.039 know, suffered greatly over the last few seasons, not because they're just you 241 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.440 know, a bad team that doesn't know how to defend. They just don't 242 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.240 know how to play together to defend right, And so I think you can 243 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:40.079 see they marketably have improved that. Just even the first you know, seven 244 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.319 games played, you can tell that there is an emphasis on them, you 245 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:48.480 know, really helping out and defending you know, the opposing team's best players. 246 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.519 And I'll be interested to see what those metrics would look like, you 247 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.559 know, as the season moves forward, because again to your point, these 248 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:00.039 are young guys. But at the same time, this is something where last 249 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.720 year I think was a was an eye opening experience for how important it is 250 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.680 that they need to play better defense down the stretch of games where they have 251 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.319 an opportunity to win. So with that being said, what my concern typically 252 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:18.680 comes down to is, you know, again the Magic figuring out what kind 253 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:23.839 of backcourt they want to supplement what they're getting from their wings and their and 254 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:29.559 their bigs. There has to be a table setter, and it just still 255 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.920 feels like they're still trying to figure out who and what that's gonna be and 256 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.759 what that's going to look like. Where are you on that if you had 257 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.759 to grade you know, on the scale of one to ten, you know, 258 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.799 ten being read alert, you know what I'm saying about how this needs 259 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.599 to be addressed, or you know one basically saying it's nothing to worry about. 260 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.480 This is what's going to come with the territory. Where would you be 261 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:59.599 on that scale when we're talking about how the backcourt for the Orlando Magic really 262 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.279 needs to find, you know, you know, identify, like show an 263 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.880 identity of what type of you know, back court does the Magic really want 264 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.920 to be for the star players that they've got, you know, at the 265 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.279 front court level? Yeah, man, great question. So a little bit 266 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.119 of the backstory on our backcourt. Our front office has very much a defensive 267 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.319 mindset for drafting and just building a team in general. That's why this team 268 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.519 right now, at least going into tonight's game, was sitting second in the 269 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:32.480 entire league and defensive rating. They are a high end defensive team and will 270 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.559 continue to be that probably the rest of the year because of the way this 271 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.519 roster is built, and part of that is the way the guards are built. 272 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.359 We held Luca and Kyrie Irving too. I think it was like sixteen 273 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.680 and seventeen points tonight. Neither one of them cracked Neither one of them cracked 274 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.759 twenty. And that that's a testament to our guards because you're talking about two 275 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.519 of the best scorers on the planet on the same team not being able to 276 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:56.960 hit their average. You know, Luca, I think is averaging like twenty 277 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.720 eight or thirty something points night right now, early into the season. Small 278 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:06.839 sample size, but just a testament to how this team is built, you 279 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:11.799 know. I I'm gonna say, like where my alert level is is like 280 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:15.079 a five, and I'll get to that as to why in a second, 281 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.200 I don't think it's like a major red flag. I think we can like 282 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.079 kind of take this season two. I think our guard rotation is good enough 283 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.160 right now to help us get to the goals that we need to be. 284 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:32.160 We're not gonna be this like crazy offense, like super efficient offensive team with 285 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:37.440 it, Like we'll probably be around like twentieth in offensive ranking, which is 286 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:44.839 not great. It's certainly improved, yeah, certainly improved compared like a bottom 287 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:48.319 twenty five, right exactly. And given where you guys are, which you 288 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:49.480 know, I was gonna speak to us as well as well too, the 289 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:56.640 division that there is opportunities, yeah, where the team can struggle shooting the 290 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:03.480 basketball, but as long as their defense of consistency maintains, they can still 291 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:10.400 win those games. Because listen, I know that divisions don't matter a whole 292 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.440 lot nowadays because of the way that you know, leagues have structured. You 293 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.720 know, it's more about the conferences and things. But you got a ton 294 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:21.319 of games that you still play against the Atlanta Hawks, the Miami Heat, 295 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:27.680 the Washington Wizards and keeping it a hundred, those are winnable games with the 296 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:33.200 talent level that the Orlando Magic has exhibited that yeah, Charlotte Hornets, so 297 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.680 like, it's a winnable division. But more importantly, those are winnable games 298 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.079 that you consistently can go back to to draw from. Whereas if you were 299 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:47.559 playing in the Atlantic Division, you're playing the likes of the Celtics and the 300 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:52.119 Sixers and the Raptors, Like you know what I'm saying, Like that is 301 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.400 just that's nuts, you know what I mean, that's murderer's row. Probably 302 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.839 would not be ready for that just yet, but the Magic are getting there. 303 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.160 I think part of this this year is going to be figuring out what 304 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.960 we have in the guards. Right that's kind of the question mark because we 305 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.920 have two guards in our starting unit, Jalen Suggs and Mark hal Foltz, 306 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.279 who are defensive focused guards. You know, Mark hel Folts have taken a 307 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.599 really nice step in his defense, but he is kind of like that playmaking 308 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:22.759 quarterback that the game manager that kind of can set up the offense. He's 309 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.400 got a really nice mid range and a good like finish at the basket. 310 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.799 But but both of these guards and and and Suggs is a disruptor, really 311 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:36.440 good in transition. Uh you know, attacker at the rim too. Can 312 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.400 do some step backs and stuff, but not efficient with his three point shooting. 313 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.880 But I truly think, just to kind of wrap up that, that 314 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.359 guard thing is like one of those positions between the one and the two has 315 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.640 to be a sniper from three on a on a high end basis, like 316 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:52.519 the whole Buddy Yield rumors, Like, Man, I would love Buddy Heal 317 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.200 to be on on the Magic because you you, you got guys that are 318 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.839 meant to play in the paint and get to the basket, draw fouls with 319 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.839 Franz and Paulo, and they need someone to kick out too because they're both 320 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.279 phenomenal passers. And how awesome would it be to have that sniper from three 321 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.200 to just get buck gets right? And I think that's what it's gonna take 322 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:18.000 for us to get to that like mid tier league average in offensive standings. 323 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.599 But you're right, man, even without that, even if we just had 324 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:23.920 like a twentieth defensive rating, I mean offensive rating and like you know, 325 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.759 a top ten, top five defensive rating, that's enough for us to be 326 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.599 a top eight team in this in this Eastern Conference. I'm not gonna say 327 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.160 top six. I will say top eight. Despite the Magic talking that they 328 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.880 are going to be a playoff team, not a play in team, I 329 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.400 still think they land somewhere in the play in you know, in that seven 330 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:51.279 to eight range is kind of like seating goes. Yeah, I guess six 331 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.400 is possible too. They started hot, there's always that fun story. But 332 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.319 man, you also got teams like Chicago and the Raptors that could blow it 333 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.799 up at any moment. Right now, rightly, you know this could be 334 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.640 the year that both those teams probably should blow up their franchise and make some 335 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.400 significant changes, and that that would be a story where the Magic can also 336 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.640 make up some ground and continue to prove the Magic just gotta beat the teams 337 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.640 are supposed to beat cal and then they gotta win some extra ones along the 338 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.559 way versus the upper teams and playing close games. That's how they're gonna make 339 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.680 it where they want to go. Absolutely your tuned to the baseline. Calie 340 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.200 Warnshaw discussing the hot button topics of the nb A and on par with my 341 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.039 man Steve Cameron. You can catch his show The Close Up with You Orlando 342 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:41.319 Magic HQ. Catch that every other Tuesday. Go to www dot Orlando Magic 343 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.160 hq dot com. One last question I wanted to ask you, you know, 344 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:51.880 before we before we end this segment, is what do you think it's 345 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:56.759 gonna take? And And look, I'm gonna sound cliche when I say this, 346 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.119 I don't know if it necessarily means that this should be how the Orlando 347 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:06.279 Magic should adopt this mentality of what it's going to take for them to be 348 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:12.240 an established playoff basketball team. But obviously pollows off to something of a slow 349 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.400 start, not significantly so, but slow to the standards of what I think 350 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.039 a lot of people are expecting him to do in year two of his of 351 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:25.519 his you know, Magic career, right, But my thing is is that 352 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.880 they're always going to draw to this. You're going to need a go to 353 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.519 guy. You're going to need a guy who's going to be able to get 354 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:37.759 your clutch buckets when it matters the most. Where are you on who the 355 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:44.839 Magic should hone in on to be that guy? Like what will it take? 356 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:49.720 Will it take Pollow being twenty seven to twenty eight point or would you 357 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:55.359 be satisfied if it's Pollow maybe doing twenty three twenty four points, but Wagner 358 00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.240 giving you twenty two to twenty three points, like the balance or leaned heavily, 359 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.759 or the way that you're looking at this team and how they play, 360 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.079 and and and and to your point about the offense efficiency, is that gonna 361 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:12.599 come down to those two growing together or Polo taking that step saying, you 362 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:18.319 know, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be that dude, you know, especially 363 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.240 in those clutch situations. Yeah. Man, that's a good question. I 364 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.680 think for them to be a solid playoff team, they can lift balanced, 365 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:33.200 no problem. I think for them to be contenders, like legitimate contenders, 366 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.400 cal not just pretenders. You need Paulo to be that guy that can be 367 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.400 a top ten player in this league, that can put up twenty six twenty 368 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:47.079 seven average, you know, twenty twenty seven to twenty eight points a game 369 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.440 on a regular basis, while Fronz is still getting his buckets and and and 370 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.359 you know, probably averaging twenty something points a game as well. I think 371 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:02.039 that's possible. But but I think I think what's gonna happen is I don't 372 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:07.759 think we're gonna see Paulo be able to take that step until this team addresses 373 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.240 the spacing, because right now, I was I was kind of hinting at 374 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.279 it earlier. Paulo can get to the line as much as he wants, 375 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:21.359 but what's gonna limit this team is the offense. And even with Paulo averaging 376 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.079 twenty let's say you average twenty five points a game this season, which technically 377 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:29.319 as possible, I don't know if it will probably average maybe closer to twenty 378 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:33.680 two to twenty three this year, if I had to guess. But even 379 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.119 if it was averaging twenty five points a season, they're still gonna struggle because 380 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.160 teams literally just sag off on the wings and they just clog the paint, 381 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.039 and when they do kick out to people, they're not hitting the shots down 382 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.240 and that just hurts. You're missing open shots. So you have guys hesitant 383 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.599 to take open shots, and that's going to limit them this season. But 384 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.839 when they can address that problem, that's gonna open up more things for them 385 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.839 boys to work in side the pain in the mid range because there's guys hugging 386 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:07.599 to their their their guys on the rim on the perimeter, which will allow 387 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.240 our guys to do what they need to do to be more efficient and be 388 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.799 able to close games better. Right when Paul is getting double and triple team 389 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.960 trying to close a game, he needs someone to kick it out to and 390 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.759 right now he doesn't really have that. So I think we can live balanced 391 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.119 and be a good playoff team. But again, I think if order for 392 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.599 us to be a true dog in this fight, uh, you know, 393 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.359 Paula probably needs to take that jump to superstardom in the next couple of years. 394 00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.759 All right, my man, Stephite like laying it down, boy, 395 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:45.480 making it sound Steppordlessyan Bryan your tune to the baseline Cali Warrens Show discussing the 396 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.119 hot button topics of the NBA with our special guest Stephan Cameron from the close 397 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:55.440 up with Orlando Magic h Q. Coming up. Well, man, step 398 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.640 and I we're going to do a little shock in awe, Yes, sir, 399 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.839 we're gonna We're gonna lay it down. What we gonna believe is stuff 400 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:07.319 that makes you say aw shucks or stuff that's gonna make you say all damns. 401 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.880 You don't want to miss out. But first, if you like using 402 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.319 debit over credit, I just learned about something that's definitely a game changer. 403 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.960 Discover cash Back Debit. It's a checking account that rewards everyone with cash back 404 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.440 on everyday purchases, which means you can get cash back on tickets for the 405 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.400 game, snacks, team merch all with no fees, making this season a 406 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.960 total win. Check Out eligibility in terms at discover dot com, Slash cash 407 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:38.039 back, Debit, Discover bank member FDIC more Baseline, KLi Steph camp here, 408 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:45.920 don't miss out all right, we are back. KLi am a man, 409 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:49.160 Steph Cameron here joining us here on the Baseline NBA podcast. And so 410 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:55.200 this segment, now we got man, it's been a while. I feel 411 00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.359 a little bad. I'm doing this with you, Steff, So you gotta 412 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.400 appreciate this because my man and Sean might have something to say to when he 413 00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.839 returns, but I'll try and represent it well for him exactly, So I 414 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.799 won't won't won't let you down. Bro, We'll be gonna be saying all 415 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:14.880 shah instead of saying all shucks. But this segment is called shock in Awe 416 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.920 right, So basically, the NBA season has started. It's underway, right. 417 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.359 Obviously, there's some you know, storylines and things that have been happening 418 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.559 already the outset of this season that I'll either make you say all shucks, 419 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.440 are gonna make you say ad damn. Right. So my man stuff is 420 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:40.519 joining us here, and I'm gonna start it off with the Boston Celtics, 421 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:48.839 Orlando Magic, Atlanta Hawks, Philadelphia seventy six Ers off to a strong start, 422 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:56.960 right, which one is making you say, all shucks? The Atlanta 423 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.359 Hawks? Man. I mean, honestly, it's like that the Magic all 424 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:06.200 shucks. Like I love seeing us have a hot start. But the Hawks. 425 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:07.759 Man, I was not high on this team going into the year. 426 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:11.200 I just like, they're in my division. I kind of already hate them 427 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.960 in general. They do have one of the better coaches in the league, 428 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.680 so like, I knew things were going to get better, but like just 429 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.480 offensively, I didn't know if they were gonna have it. There's always a 430 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.759 little bit of drama around Trey Young and how that team operates and stuff like 431 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.720 that, and I just I don't know, man, I just always thought 432 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.319 that was gonna be. So when I see them have this this start, 433 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.880 I'm like, oh, all right, all shucks, that's cool, Like 434 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.680 good for them. I mean, not great for the Magic because we're in 435 00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.119 the same division, but I mean, it's it's good for them to have 436 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.839 that start that I did not expect. I'm gonna agree with you there. 437 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.240 I'm having an awe shucks moment about the Atlanta Hawks, but more importantly because 438 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:59.920 of the fact that they are the second best offensive team in the NBA, 439 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:06.119 and I think about Quinn Snyder. While his calling card has been you know, 440 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.279 this is offensive. Over the years that he was coaching the u Utah 441 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.680 Jazz, the Utah Jazz were recognized for being one of the better defensive teams. 442 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.960 Now right now, the Atlanta Hawks, you know, are twentieth as 443 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.960 far as you know opposing teams points scored per game. But when you look 444 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:30.759 at their defensive rating, their defensive net rating, they're a top ten team. 445 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.519 And I think it balances out when you're arguably one of the best offensive 446 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.599 scoring teams. Now, again, it's early, but this to me, 447 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.119 for a team that I'm thinking is gonna be somewhere in the middle of the 448 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.279 pack, this is a very strong start. And it also has us keen 449 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:52.240 in it, keying in on Deontay Murray and Trey Young and their ability to 450 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:58.960 you know, really help spearhead this team and and keep them in games, 451 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.920 and and the dynamic that the both of them bring to the table. I 452 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:06.440 think we're now seeing it somewhat come to fruition where they struggled to be able 453 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.480 to show that when you know, the deal was made last year and Deontay 454 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.079 Murray was on this on this roster, so to me, I would agree 455 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.759 with you on that. One other though shucks thing though is the Celtics. 456 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:24.480 I was not anticipating the Boss and Celtics, and you know, I don't 457 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.920 know I whether or not they will maintain being an undefeated team by the time 458 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.319 this show drops. But the fact that this team has looked every bit the 459 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:38.720 part of a team that is getting back to its defensive principles with elite defensive 460 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.519 play coming from Drew Holliday, Tatum and Brown and the rest of the guys 461 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.960 Derek White and the crew. Christaps Porzingis is even showing you defensive you know 462 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.319 what I'm saying, mastery At times like real, I don't understand this because 463 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.720 I thought that the reason why you put this team together was all right, 464 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.759 we may not be able to defend teams the way that we used to, 465 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.480 but we're just we're definitely going to be a much better team to outscore whoever 466 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.480 it is that we're playing against. We're going to create all these different mismatches. 467 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:12.119 But you look at this this Celtics team, man, they are balanced 468 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.320 on both sides of the ball, and you can clearly see that there is 469 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.480 a market improvement in their ability to defend. Now, I still think that 470 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.800 because it is a scorers league, that you'll probably see them take a step 471 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.519 back. But I think it's stabilized when you've got a heady guy like Drew 472 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.199 Holliday really commanding the rest of that team to be where they need to be 473 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.400 and stabilizing their backcourt play, to close out on the three ball and all 474 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.480 of the This is a good Celtics team, man, And I'm really really 475 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.760 surprised that they are hot out the gate the way that they are. I 476 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.039 thought maybe this would be something that picks up momentum and steam and my god, 477 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.800 that making Missoula look like a freaking master at the coachings. You know 478 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.159 what I'm saying on the sidelines, it's crazy. It's a testing I mean, 479 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:57.320 to be fair, it's gonna be pretty hard for any head coach to 480 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.159 have failure with with when you're starting five has has you know, Drew Holiday, 481 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.599 Brown, Tatum, Chris tops White, Like that's just such a strong 482 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.639 starting five. But I mean, like, yo, man, he's looking 483 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.679 really prime with that. You know. It's it's absolutely it's the only undefeated 484 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.719 team in the league right now. It's pretty special. Absolutely, And listen, 485 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.559 let's not snuff the Sixers given the drama that has taken place before the 486 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.880 season has even started. But I think everybody knew. I think everybody knew 487 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:35.760 that once they got rid of James Harden, they finally lifted that black cloud 488 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.239 off of that that franchises. You know what I'm saying, demeanor that they 489 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.960 now are getting back to playing basketball. I don't know if it's sustainable, 490 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.000 I really don't, but I can definitely tell you that it's much more enjoyable 491 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.800 to watch a team that wants to play together, that wants to compete together, 492 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.280 than dealing with all the unnecessary stuff. And I'm not blaming James Harden 493 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.519 about what's going on out there and what had to happen, but you can 494 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.719 clearly tell that the team didn't need all of that for them to go into 495 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.800 the start of this season with so much already on the line. And now 496 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.320 with the speculation of Joel Embiid talking about, you know, exploring other places, 497 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.719 you know, if things don't go right in Philadelphia, you can clearly 498 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.199 see that he is making a statement that this is his team and that the 499 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.400 Sixers need to stop. You know, throwing players that don't want to play 500 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.599 with him on the roster so that he can work with the dudes that do 501 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.519 want to play with him. You know, I just want to say, 502 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.920 like it's a shout out to Nick Nurse and Jewel Embiid. I don't necessarily 503 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:37.679 like love either one of them as leaders, Like Nick Nurse is is one 504 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.360 of my least favorite coaches in the league. And then Joel Ebiid, like 505 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.360 there's just I just don't know if he's like the leader that I think he 506 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.880 a team needs. But you know, James Harden just got off the team 507 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.719 a couple days ago. This is like they had to go through what four 508 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.239 games training camp dealing with all that, but they still were able to keep 509 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.679 culture vibes, team focused players focus kind of blocking out the noise and go 510 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.440 off to this strong five and one start. And oh yeah, the one 511 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.320 loss was like a buzzer beater, or not a buzzer beater. It was 512 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.119 a very close game to I think it was the Bucks maybe or something like 513 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.400 that, like a very respectable team. It wasn't just like they didn't show 514 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:28.480 up. It was a very very close game. And so, yeah, 515 00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.599 man, you're right that that is another team that definitely deserves to be having 516 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:36.760 that all shucks moment because I remember thinking, Man, I can't wait for 517 00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.599 James hard to get traded because I'm just so tired of hearing about James Harden 518 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.440 wanting to get traded from the from the seventy six ers. You know, 519 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.039 it's like who You're right, all shucks for the for the seventy six ers, 520 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.679 All shucks. All right, Now we got to throw on another team 521 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.400 in there as well too. And funny how these are like all East Eastern 522 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:59.559 Conference teams. How about the Dallas Mavericks. You know what I'm saying, 523 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.559 I'm teetering on this as saying aw shucks, because damn, you know, 524 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.360 they're really, you know what I'm saying, showing you that they're a team 525 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.320 to not, you know, snuff at. And it's hard to imagine because 526 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.320 I'm still trying to figure out how this dynamic of Irving and Luca is playing, 527 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:21.039 but they're really making it work. But the other part of me is 528 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.960 saying, oh damn, because now if we have to take the Dallas Mavericks 529 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:30.760 seriously, I mean, that just completely opens up the floodgates about where the 530 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.199 Western Conference might might tilt towards you know what I'm saying, Like I think 531 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.280 people are saying, well, the Dallas Mavericks might be good enough, but 532 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:42.199 they may not be They may be playing worthy, but they're definitely probably not 533 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.559 a playoff team. And I keep saying, you get off to a good 534 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.119 start, you give yourself a chance, and you can allow yourself to separate. 535 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.159 You know, some of those teams are gonna probably you know, pull 536 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.400 you down or bring you back a notch or whatever, but you're still ahead 537 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.440 of the game. This is what this is where it comes down to. 538 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.840 Because the West is so deep, you know what I'm saying, From basically 539 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.639 one to twelve, it's very, very deep. So ultimately, if you're 540 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.079 the Dallas Mavericks, you can come off basically winning five of your first six 541 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.840 basketball games. That bowls well for you, really really good. Yes, 542 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.079 absolutely. I mean they're second in offense right now in the league at one 543 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.599 hundred and twenty pace, which is insane. That didn't change with their most 544 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.480 recent game versus the Magic. That's gonna stay the same because I think they 545 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:30.159 actually scored like one hundred and twenty or something like that. You know, 546 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.079 their defense is where you gotta have the question marks long term is still there's 547 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.199 still at ten defensive team and they got to figure that out a little bit. 548 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:42.960 They you know, they just they got to figure that out. I 549 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.079 think they got to hope to get that above twenty, get into that sixteen 550 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.679 range in the defense with the league. But man, you know, it's 551 00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:57.239 like, is this the season that Kyrie Irving is like focused and has a 552 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.320 really kind of reminds everyone like, yeah, the off court stuff is kind 553 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.719 of I'm keeping that to the side, and I'm just going to remind everyone 554 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.239 that I am a baller and can can be a great teammate to another baller. 555 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:14.400 And Luka Doncic, like I think so he's really good. Absolutely man, 556 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:22.199 absolutely all right, shocking aw man, the uh Milwaukee Bucks, Memphis 557 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:30.119 Grizzlies, Utah Jazz off to abysmal starts. All right, Maybe abysmal is 558 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.599 too strong a word, but they're struggling, right, Which one makes you 559 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.920 makes? Which one makes you want to say, oh damn, excuse me? 560 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.280 Almost got you choked up thinking about that too, right, Yes, 561 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.719 sir, I got a couple of them that I mean, I could say 562 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.159 something on all of them. I say the one I'm least surprised about is 563 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.639 the Jazz. I just I don't know if I ever viewed them as as 564 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.880 like true threats in the West. It's just so deep this year. Like 565 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.719 I kind of just knew they were they were going to be a team that 566 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:06.800 has talent and can give teams a good run for their money. But but 567 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.519 that probably is just gonna come up short too often because they are just They're 568 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.920 just in a hard, hard conference. Man. But but but the one 569 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:22.119 that really gives me all shucks is is the Bucks because, like, man, 570 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.360 I knew they were going to lose a little bit of defense when they 571 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:28.840 lost Drew Holiday, but they still have two time Defensive Player of the Year 572 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:36.960 Joannison Tenakumpo. They have h Brook Lopez, who's no shrub on the defensive 573 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:42.800 side. He's a really good player. He was a defensive player defen Yeah. 574 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.280 Man, he's he's a really good player, you know. But man, 575 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:52.079 they are a twenty six in defensive rating right now, and they are 576 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.519 just bleeding points left and right that that that trade happened a little bit late. 577 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.920 Going into training camps, there's gonna be some vibes. I gotta get 578 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.800 worked out to kind of shore things up. Whose turn is it to take 579 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:07.880 over? When and where and stuff like that. But you know, I 580 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:12.519 thought it would be a little bit better than I mean, it's early. 581 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.840 They're three and two, but it just doesn't feel like they're really three and 582 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:17.480 two, you know. It feels like they're they're a little bit less. 583 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.360 Well, I got thoughts on the Grizzlies, but I'll let you hit that 584 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.119 first. Bro. Yeah, So the Utah Jazz part, I think I'm 585 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.760 a little surprised by it because you know, when I when I look at 586 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:34.880 the Jazz itself as a team cohesively, they shocked a lot of people last 587 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.719 year, and I thought that this year, because you know, there was 588 00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.840 so much movement with especially in the Western Conference, that they would be able 589 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.679 to win some games, you know, you know, just based on the 590 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.480 fact that they've played together. They kind of overachieved a little bit, and 591 00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.400 I think maybe would be able to kind of carry that momentum going into into 592 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.639 this season. But you know, unfortunately, that's that's that's not what's happened 593 00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.840 for them, you know what I mean. So it is what it is, 594 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.079 you know, But I wasn't expecting them to struggle as bad as they 595 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.079 do, like I mean, like they you know, getting blitzed in a 596 00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.440 few of the games that they've played already. The Milwaukee Bucks situation, though, 597 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.559 I think what really surprises me is just how bad this team is defensively. 598 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.639 I understand that Drew Holliday, you know, was a bulldog. He 599 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:30.239 really stabilized their back court. And I would not go as far as to 600 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.159 say, you know, would the Milwaukee Bucks you know, be as bad 601 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.480 a defensive team as you're seeing right now. Knowing that you have Giannis you 602 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:44.079 know, as your defensive stalwart, right and then getting the kind of defensive 603 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:46.920 effort you've gotten the last couple of seasons from Brook Lopez, It's hard to 604 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.880 imagine that this team is just so bad defensively. And I think this is 605 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.920 more about Giannis. I think this is more about Adrian Griffin, and I 606 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.360 think this is more about the Milwaukee Bucks front office and when they made the 607 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.199 move to bring Damian Lillard over there. I think they really believe that this 608 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.559 is more about them and scoring the basketball, and that they're just gonna outscore 609 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.440 basketball teams, you know, on a night in, night out basis, 610 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:12.800 and to hell with the defense and If that's what they think is gonna get 611 00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.880 them to a championship, They're not getting there. They're just simply not gonna 612 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:21.440 get there. I don't understand how you have already a defensive Player of the 613 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:25.440 Year person. You had a defensive Player of the Year candidate in Brook Lopez 614 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.159 last season who many argue could have won that thing last year if not for 615 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.000 Jaron Jackson Junior's year that he had. You've got two defensive player of the 616 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:39.039 year stalwarts, right. I understand Damian Lillard is not the best defensively, 617 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:44.719 and then you still also have Chris Middleton, who is was a marginally good 618 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.039 wing defender before his injury, and I'm not saying he's back to who he 619 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.440 used to be, but he's still good enough. And you also have Bobby 620 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:59.800 Portis. You've got depth on that team. Jay Crowder, I don't understand 621 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.840 how this team is so bad defensively. I really don't understand it. And 622 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.599 I think that, to me is the part that makes me say, aw 623 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:10.079 damn, because if they can't figure this out. And I understand it's early, 624 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.320 but it's not early to see what glaringly is what I saw last year 625 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.280 with the Boston Celtics. The Boston Celtics really believe that they were a team 626 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.559 that was just gonna outshoot everybody and stop playing defense. And you can see 627 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:28.039 how at some point it caught up with them, because when you play against 628 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.559 a really competitive team, where you play against guys that know how to beat 629 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.159 what you bring out to the floor on a night in, night out basis, 630 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.800 it's gonna rear its ugly head during critical situations down the stretch. And 631 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.880 I'm just saying people need to pay attention to this. This is not a 632 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:45.039 good formula. If you are the Milwaukee Bucks, knowing that on a night 633 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:51.239 based, night and night out basis, their best players are not playing defense, 634 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.960 that you can't have that that's just it's unimaginable. So it's just crazy 635 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.400 we were saying that about the Milwaukee Bucks. You know, they got a 636 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:06.280 new coach that is is not super proven and and I think part of this 637 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.159 isn't just personnel. I mean that is that is part of the problem, 638 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.440 but like like you just mentioned, like they got plenty of capable defenders on 639 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.119 that team, but I think there is definitely some coaching aspect that we are 640 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.760 we are seeing right now with a brand new coach that doesn't have really the 641 00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:29.519 experience of coaching a team of this caliber with with with you know, a 642 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.960 player like Giannis on it that have these expectations and then we're just kind of 643 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.920 seeing that that that that gap there, and I definitely think that's part of 644 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.320 the contribution to why they are struggling so much on the on the defensive side 645 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.559 of the ball. I'm gonna throw something else out there. Let's not act 646 00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.920 like losing Darving Ham has not also had an impact on this Milwaukee Bucks team's 647 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.880 ability two yeah, to have an identity of what they were defensively, absolutely, 648 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.760 you know, and now you're seeing how he's having an impact over there 649 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.519 with the Los Angeles Lakers. So I'm just letting people know, like, 650 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.400 listen, I want to believe in Adrian Griffin. I want him to have 651 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.239 his opportunity to have his chance, but he's gonna need to put some foot 652 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.679 in this uh, put some foot in some asses. If this is what 653 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.639 the Milwaukee Bucks is going to is gonna basically you know, parade out there 654 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:22.119 to the fans and to the people watching. As far as your product goes, 655 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.800 They're they're calling card of what got them that Championship was their ability to 656 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:29.960 play defense even though they had a good offensive basketball team. And there's no 657 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:31.880 way that they're gonna they're gonna be able to replicate that with the way that 658 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.119 they're playing defensive right now. Really quick. I wanted to get your take 659 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.039 on the on the Memphis Grizzlies. Look, we knew that the Memphis Grizzlies 660 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:43.320 were gonna struggle. We understood that, but damn man, I mean, 661 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.079 the only winless team in the NBA. I thought we were talking about that 662 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.119 with the Washington Wizards. I did not think we're gonna be talking about that 663 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.119 with the Memphis Grizzlies. Yeah. Yeah, they're like one in six, 664 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.760 man, and they get they got they got one, they got one win. 665 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.440 I think last night was I'm yeah, yeah, it was like a 666 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:07.440 shooting star exactly because it it just goes right over your head, you know, 667 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:09.679 man. It's like, I think it's real simple with the Grizzlies. 668 00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:14.119 You got your best player out for the first twenty or twenty five games. 669 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:15.920 Uh uh. You know, whether you agree with that punishment or not, 670 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.519 that that's going to affect a team, and then you have your defensive anchor 671 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.199 and Steven Adams. Uh oh, maybe not the anchor Jaron Jackson Junior is 672 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.719 that. But but you you you, we all know how important Steven Adams 673 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.960 is to this team. Then he's out right before they started, like I 674 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.599 mean, he goes through training cap and then he is out days before the 675 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.000 start of the season and he is out for the entire season and they're scrambling. 676 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.079 They eventually pick up Bismack Biambo. Oh wow. The first game they 677 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.519 put Bismack Biambo in as a starter is the game that they win. Like 678 00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.119 they just they're just missing too many key pieces. And that is like a 679 00:48:52.719 --> 00:49:00.239 this isn't all damn not because I'm like dissp like something bad as they're in 680 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.960 my opinion, they're not doing anything wrong. They just don't have the personnel 681 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.679 to keep up man. And I do think you know you have you have 682 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.880 Marcus Smart, who's a bit on the I think he's losing a step of 683 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.719 what what made him so specially a couple of years ago. I think he's 684 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.199 just taking a step and they'll decline a little bit. So those are my 685 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.440 two my quick thoughts on on the Grizzlies. I think I think he's still 686 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:30.679 I think he's still kind of how do I say he's part he's been caught 687 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.119 with the shock and awe of not playing with the Boston Celtics. How about 688 00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.840 that? You know, Yeah, that makes I think it's gonna take some 689 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.039 time for that to to to wear off. But he is supposed to be 690 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:44.159 the one who is gonna influence and help mature, you know, John Morant, 691 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.440 and it will be interesting to see, you know, this type of 692 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.159 adversity. What that's gonna do, you know, for the Grizzlies as a 693 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:58.360 whole. I mean, obviously it's highlighting how important John Morant really is to 694 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.400 that franchise with the way that this team is struggling in the outset. But 695 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.239 at the same time, I think if you have a guy like Marcus Smart 696 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.119 on that team, he is gonna basically really you know, get at these 697 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.519 guys, toughen up their metal and they'll they'll figure out a way to persevere. 698 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.000 I think they're a runaway from kind of helping quell that. But I 699 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.920 really wasn't expecting this type of level of struggle. You know, maybe two 700 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.840 three games, you know, under five hundred lose or whatever. But like 701 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.599 the way that they're playing, you can clearly see that there's gonna be struggling 702 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.239 and they're gonna be starting to ask those questions like where are they gonna get 703 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.079 their help? Where they're gonna get their relief? You know, knowing that 704 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:42.000 for the first quarter of the season, John Moran's not there. Hashtags jaw 705 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.840 free joh there you go. All right, couple couple more shocking offs for 706 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.639 you, my man. All right, Chris Paul and the Golden State Warriors 707 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.960 and the start that they've had to this season. Man, man, you 708 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:02.440 know, I live out here in the Bay I uh second favorite team because 709 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.719 I've been out here for a decade. Not necessarily a bandwagon fan. I 710 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:12.679 just happened to move over here when they were killing it. But I didn't 711 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.360 like this move with Chris Paul. When it happened. I'm sure a lot 712 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.360 of people didn't like or at least didn't understand it. Yeah. Man, 713 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.800 he's old, he's he's he's you know, is he gonna accept this role 714 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.880 coming off the bench. There's all these question marks. Is the right fit. 715 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.079 The team's pretty small and there's still some question marks. We just saw 716 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:35.199 them go up versus the Calves the other night, and there their lack of 717 00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:42.000 size definitely hurt them. But but man, Chris Paul, he's limited turnovers. 718 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.679 You and I were talking about this before we started recording. If this 719 00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.079 team can continue to limit turnovers, that's gonna be really good for them in 720 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:51.639 crunch time in close games when when they're out there. Chris Paul seems to 721 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.039 be willing to come off the bench right now, which is a good thing. 722 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.400 I think what really has to happen for this team to kind of like 723 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.320 get get really. I mean, they're they're six and two, but I 724 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:07.039 think what's holding them back even more from being even more dominant is is Andrew 725 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.119 Wiggins isn't quite there yet. He's not quite himself yet with his normal rhythm 726 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.239 with this team. I think when Andrew Wiggins starts getting really to to his 727 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.559 comfort level, this team's gonna be on all cylinders, which is gonna be 728 00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.800 wild to think about. But but I do still think I still question, 729 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:24.800 do they need to bring in another big man to kind of like at the 730 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.360 deadline, to kind of shure up some size when they go up against these 731 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.320 bigger teams in the in the postseason. So what what's you feeling about the 732 00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:37.440 But the Warriors, My mancal All shucks, this is a problem because to 733 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:43.079 your point, if all it takes is them to look for I mean, 734 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.760 because it's not gonna work with Dario. Sorry, I'm sorry, Like, 735 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:51.199 no, he's he's okay. But you know, I don't know how many 736 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:54.639 times like the Warriors actually think that they bring in someone who's supposed to be 737 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.880 their solution, you know, to to their big manute, and they still 738 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.239 wind up with Kevon Looney. Just like when it's all said and done, 739 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.360 they're gonna need they're gonna need some extra help. They're gonna need some extra 740 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:10.559 girth in that front court. But the key again with this offense and the 741 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.559 way that it's designed and the ball movement, and it's the high risk, 742 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.159 high reward mentality that they have. You give me a guy who can stabilize 743 00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.000 not only the first unit, but the second unit in their ability to get 744 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:29.400 consistent guard play with minimizing turnovers. They're gonna be a problem for the rest 745 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:35.639 of the league in and of itself because you arguably now have to make sure 746 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.559 that you're you know, whoever the opposing team's back court legitimately knows how to 747 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.880 play up, not just for Steph but also play up for Chris Paul, 748 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:46.559 but also play up for Gary Payton. The second it also play up for 749 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.199 Klay Thompson, it also play up for Draymond Green. There are multiple, 750 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.679 you know, ball handlers on that court, and they all land on the 751 00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.280 side of the Golden State Warriors. You know. So unless the gold and 752 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:04.880 State Warriors beat themselves when it comes to their ability to move the ball and 753 00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.800 execute their offense, you can make the argument that they are the most well 754 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:15.239 put together team when it comes to ball creating, ball movement of everyone else 755 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.920 that's in the NBA. The problem is they all ain't six' ten, 756 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.400 they all ain't playing you know what I'm saying. They're all not gonna be 757 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.920 able to match up the same way. So they're gonna have to shoot the 758 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:36.679 basketball. And you can see Klay Thompson Wiggins. They're struggling early. If 759 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:42.039 they find rhythm as the season goes along and they stay healthy going into the 760 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.280 playoffs, that is a team you do not want to face. And the 761 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.719 fact that they're right now already off to a good start for the season, 762 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.559 I think speaks boldly because again they're minimizing turnovers and they're playing better defensively, 763 00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:01.360 and those are two things that always spell CHAMPI being ship aspirations for the Golden 764 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.679 State Warriors, that's championship run mentality for the Golden State Warriors. If those 765 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.800 two things are happening for them. Couldn't have said it better myself, man, 766 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.519 I mean, like, yeah, they got steph, they got some 767 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.679 they got some nasty players that can do a lot of really nice things with 768 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.480 the ball in their hands. And we'll we'll see how got clutch shooters. 769 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.239 Man, They've got clutch shooters. And you don't want to be you don't 770 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.679 want to be you know, you got to be basically beating this team by 771 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.480 ten twelve points, you know what I'm saying down the final stretch of games 772 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:37.679 if you want to secure victories, because you're probably not want to be that 773 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.480 team that's hanging around with a five or six point lead when the Warriors can 774 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.000 actually go on that you know, proverbial clutch run that they love to go 775 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.280 on. You know, so you don't ever want to go into the boxing 776 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.079 match with two of the best shooters to ever touch the planet. They just 777 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.280 and one of the best defenders and smartest defenders and Draymond Green. It's it's 778 00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:00.920 just it hasn't been a very good track record for those that have absolutely all 779 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:06.079 right, man, final one, final shocking off for you. Heat struggling 780 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.719 early in the outset of this season. Uh, all shucks. Oh damn 781 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.159 man, all shucks. I'm a Magic fan. I love it when they 782 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.880 Heat struggle. Let's go, man. I mean I like a lot of 783 00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.480 I like some of the players on that team, Jimmy Butler or someone I've 784 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.159 always admired by, like man. I don't like cal Lowry, never really 785 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:29.920 have enjoyed him. You know, he was an enemy of the Orlando when 786 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:35.119 he was with the Raptors, coming from the from the Orlando, you know, 787 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:39.039 with the Orlando rap Orlando Magic and Toronto Raptors series that happened, Uh 788 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:45.800 you know twenty nineteen in the playoffs. You know, kind of a questionable 789 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.320 player respect the franchise because they always figure it out some way or another. 790 00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:55.639 But I am I'm all shucks. I love seeing them struggle. Talk about 791 00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:01.880 talk about shocking. Oh man, you don't sound like you and be welcome 792 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:07.719 in those Miami waters. They'll be driving down ninety five ninety five more time 793 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.440 soon. Oh well, Seaw'll give you cover. He'll definitely give you cover 794 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.760 because you know he's in the He's he's right in the he's in the middle 795 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.800 of the jungle right down there. Man. You don't want no part of 796 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.840 that heat. So anyway, man, this has been an awesome show this 797 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:29.039 week, Steph. I appreciate you jumping on man, and you know what 798 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.320 I'm saying, filling in, filling in big shoes to fill. But you 799 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.880 handle it very nicely, and you know, it's always great to have you 800 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.400 on. Man. It's great to be able to talk basketball. And once 801 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:44.679 again steff Man, just hit people up and let people know where where they 802 00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:47.119 can catch you and what you got going on. Yes, yes, yes, 803 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.159 uh. You can find all of our work at Orlando Magic, HQ 804 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.440 dot com or on u x X Twitter. You know you can find that 805 00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.320 on oh Magic or if you want to reach out to me personally, it's 806 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:07.360 steven S t E P H E N zero six one zero right there. 807 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.000 If you are looking at it on YouTube, holler at you, boy. 808 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:14.920 I'm always down to talk up some basketball. Tell you my bias takes on 809 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:20.360 the Orlando Magic and the league. Let's go absolutely my man. Sc you 810 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:24.719 know what I'm saying, it's our SC thirty right here, that's rocket it. 811 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:28.880 You know what I'm saying that that's the Steph brand right there, Real 812 00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.960 Steph brand once again. Man, we appreciate everybody for hopping on board with 813 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:36.320 us this week for the baseline. Kl Lee my man, Steph Cameron. 814 00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:38.880 We appreciate you guys, you know we do, and we'll catch up with 815 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:40.079 you next time.