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Well here we are happy marcast Monday, coming off the Great Cup Playoffs semi

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finals here a little later in the
day working around Evan, one of our

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co hosts had a doctor's appointment,
working around his schedule, and then Evan

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stuff in the second traffic getting back. But I'll be good. We'll vamp

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a little bit. Evan can hop
on. I have a CFL plus rant

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that I think we'll wait to get
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has some thoughts as well. But
doing this here, we'll kind of recap

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obviously the games over the weekend,
and then we'll preview everything. Depending on

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XFL news or not this week,
this might be the podcast for the week,

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so we'll see. It was like
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I bring on Dave Naylor the preview? We've already previewed like too many previews.

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So Jason, how are you doing, sir? I am doing good,

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raid no, thanks for having me
as always, and definitely got my

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football fixed this weekend with some great
games in the NFL, and you know,

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my teams didn't do so well,
but what are you gonna do?

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Yeah, I posted in the group
chat that drake me, you know,

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getting up at nine or whatever to
do the mark cast live stream is like,

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no, but yeah, I was
up at six thirty watching the Dolphins

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and Chiefs game. Dorothy came down
and she's like, what do you What

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are you doing here? What is
going on? So all of that.

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Yeah, very exciting all the way
through. Coming off of a Portugal the

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maand show last night. We have
Kissed tonight in town, the final goodbye

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tour for that. So hopefully,
luckily we're doing the show now and not

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after that. My boys, we'll
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of notes off the back. Jason's
waiting to hear back. You did hear

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our credential for myself and I assume
Dorothy's email came in as well. Here

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a credential. Third, you're in
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Really appreciate that. I feel privileged
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because we're Canadian doing all that stuff. But I'm really excited. We're going

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to have a really good show.
We either have a location we mentioned at

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the end of the podcast last week, but it's either going to be at

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the Anchor Bar there by the Convention
Center or else working to see if we

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can get in the kind of the
Great Cup, you know, the fan

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access kind of all that stuff.
But the other way, we'll be there.

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Jason will be there, Evan,
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the Namesdays far Han and Naylor.
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the Joe Davis of the world.
I know, Jamie and I wants to

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come on Jeff Hamilton if he's around, you know, so we'll get all

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that kind of you know, Tim
Bays will be there. Jason, are

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you excited for the Great Cup live
show here coming up in two weeks.

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Yeah, I've been looking forward to
it for a long time now, and

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I'm really excited for all the guests
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it in person will be really cool. Yeah, it should be a good

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vibe. So we'll post all that. You can stop by. Obviously your

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watch and we got really good viewership
last year, so hopefully we'll kind of

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do that as well. But anyway, moving on here, let me see

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we have a couple of comments,
like I said, vamping a little bit

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today and then we'll get in Evan
and everything else. James can't wait for

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the East West Finals with a big
boy c BC. If I can speak,

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it's going to be the game of
the year and Montreal is going to

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upset the oh got a little curse
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And then Kyle is excited. Kyle's
a big Montreal Alolette spam. Jason,

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We'll do a further deep dive here, but tykatspeaking at the right time.

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How would you grade the Tykats season
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it's definitely a failing grade. I
think because you know, they changed so

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many players in the offseason. I
mean they said, you know, the

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players are the are the problem.
They changed all these players in the off

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season, made all these personnel decisions, and yet they ended up with the

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exact same record in the exact same
situation, losing to Montreal in the East

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semi final, and it didn't really
look close, just like last year.

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I will say, And you know, we had a couple of weeks ago

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with the Din Witty playing Chad Kelly
and like, do we need to play

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Jack Kelly? And is that coaching
malpractice to see Chad Kelly here in the

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game. I think it was coaching
malt practice to say Bo Levi Mitchell tel

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six minutes left, and I think, yeah, I guess we can talk

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about that. Benjamin to have the
comment here already, I tweeted out,

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and I was kind of surprised because
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got home, I was I was
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We were getting ready for the Cracking
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then I went to the game and
then I, you know, came back

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after saw the comments on and I
guess I'll present this my little tweet,

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and then I want to get Jason's
thoughts as well. You know, Bo

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saying, you know, if you're
not playing paying your highest paid player on

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the team in the playform, I
don't see myself being here again, Bo

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Levi, and I just said,
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I think this is a huge story. So much of the off season was

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built and like where's Bognna go?
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had the Michael Balls of the world
yelling at people, and I think Naylor

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was kind of in on that scuffle
of where's he going? And then he's

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going to Hamilton and we've got the
billboards and everything, and it was you

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know, it was like Aaron Rodgers
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we kind of talked about that on
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and I don't get this and this
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To not only I get maybe even
the first half, and to go to

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it was six minutes left, year
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he finally came in. Yeah,
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was one of those people that said
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I do think he was the best
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definitely better than what Bow had shown
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of the day, Schiltz was not
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So many passes batted down at the
line of scrimmage. We'll get into it

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more when we talk about the game
specifically, but Schildtz just did not have

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a good first half, and I
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Bow was gonna be put in there. But, like you said, malpractice

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not putting your highest paid player on
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becomes indefensible because you made this move
in the offseason to you know, not

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just sign this guy but trade for
his rights months ahead of time, and

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you know, bring him in as
this big offseason splash that you sold these

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season ticket holders on, and ultimately
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didn't even play him in the most
important games, a game of the season.

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And for bo Levi, I understand
his frustration because this very well could

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be his last game in the CFL. I mean, who's really bringing bo

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Levi Mitchell in as a backup quarterback
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do that. So, I mean
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was very frustrated watching the game on
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like the trade four thing, when
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in the season where even if like
you're Chris Jones, you're Orlando and like

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why you know I know better?
We like, you're getting to the point

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where you're gonna have to answer those
questions later, right, those receipts are

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coming in, like I know,
the tie Cats right care and Taker Bob

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kind of like the owns, but
there they got the whole conglomerate there,

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you know, in terms of like
the power structure, I'm sure that you

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know a couple of hands there.
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would be major questions coming out today, I'm like, what are we doing

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here? I mean, even if
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know, a game changing with whatever
situation at that point, like we've spent

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all this money and time in equity
and all the media stories around when is

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he coming back and is he going
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not even play it. I just
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more than anything, even if you
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gameplay, I think it would help
solidify saving your job if that was in

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jeopardy or saving just answering a lot
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If that makes sense, Yeah,
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least go down swing with the guys
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when that's where you put your resources. Don't go down swinging with Matthew Schultzer.

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You know, we didn't give to
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to those guys in that situation.
Go to your you know, veteran quarterback

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that it's won MLPs one, great
cups. You never know what's going to

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happen, but the way that they
put them in, with what six minutes

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left in the game, they're down
by fifteen points, never really had a

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shot to really get his footing in
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Bow's frustration as well as the fans. Yeah, so just around that out,

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I do potentially see that being Bo's
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going there at this point. Are
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I agree. I think that maybe
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mindset change, maybe not necessarily a
mindset change. I can't really read his

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mind, but I can't see bolieve
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throughout his career and the confidence that
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job going into the season where he's
know for sure going to be the backup,

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because I don't see any team bringing
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job next season, even in Ottawa
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Edmonton or whatever. But I think
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could be it for Bo. We're
talking here, Kyle's I said. Obviously,

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Montreal Montreal defense showed up today a
tough game, and then Jeff,

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you're saying Montreal threw a wild card
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the ar Let's get into that a
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Normally we go in reverse chronological order
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Tykats twelve twenty seven Montreal. If
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did you kind of general thoughts of
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a little more deep time. Well, not an overly surprising result. This

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is kind of of what I expected, given that the Alouettes won all three

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games against the tay Cats in the
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offense couldn't really find a breakthrough against
that Alouette's defense. And that's really the

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story here. The Alouettes really shut
down the tai Cats really from the opening

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snap, and I feel like that
first drive for Hamilton was very promising,

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but then they go down and KeAndre
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he's had in as many years against
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I mean, I think that really
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tay Cats sales. If they had
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zone on that first drivee we could
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But ultimately the Alouetz defense kept the
tay Cats out of the end zone for

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yet another time this season. There
was a game earlier this year, the

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first meeting, I believe, where
it was thirty eight to twelve, and

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similar story, the tai CAATs just
continued to settle for field goals, could

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not get into the end zone.
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If you cannot get into the end
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Yeah, this was a slow beginning. We had like a flash rating

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flood here. I was like up
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and I'm like, okay, we
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in was able to settle down.
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Yeah, I mean Montreal and like
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defense here really kind of putting their
work in. I had the tweet from

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Evan that we were talking you know, former X ANDFL renegade SAT champion here,

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Darnell Sankey, you know, the
big offseason move coming in there,

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how impressed were you? Would you
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offense on Hamilton's you know, for
the low scoring the fair of starting out

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at least, I would credit the
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been a very consistent unit throughout the
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team throughout most of the season.
Their offense really doesn't do anything too flashy,

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but they're complimentary and I think,
yeah, those offseason additions or mid

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season editions. I should say of
Darnell Sanki at the middle lineback position,

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what he have eight tackles, two
sacks and interception. You know, he

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really showed up on the stat sheet
in this one, made some big impact

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plays. And then Sean Lemon at
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one, really being that closer that
the Alouett's defense really needed because I really

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didn't think they had that, you
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they brought in Lemon, they really
filled that role. And ultimately, at

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the end of the day, this
defense is a story in the CFL.

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This season is the story of their
season. I should say their secondary is

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really good as well. They completely
took away Tim White in this game.

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Zero catches for Tim White in this
game, who was the league's leading receiver

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this season. So I mean,
just great defensive game plan from the Alouettes.

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Yeah, that's one of those things
when they say that, because like

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I'm listening, I got that,
I got it, and we can say

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the CFL plus of it all.
But yeah, I got on my phone,

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I'm walking, and you know they
say that, you know obviously like

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Tim White, which that surprised me
in and of itself that he was kind

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of the lead, the leading receiver
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zero targets on that it seems wild
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like you said, the Sean Lemon
thing, I know, Mike Mitchell's commented

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in our group chat that like it
was like the league didn't want Sean.

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It was just like, you know, to be able to pick him up.

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That it wasn't like anyone wanted to
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Why do you think there was that
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the right word, but kind of, oh, he's he's out to pasture

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and then here he comes in and
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so weird. With his career,
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I can remember, and the fact
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I really thought the last couple of
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But ultimately, at the end of
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loss if he really kept them from
retaining him this offseason. It came back

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to bite the Stampeders as well,
and that was to the benefit obviously of

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the Montreal Alouettes. And uh yeah, just you know, the pressure on

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the quarterback is just so important in
these playoff games. I felt like the

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Hamilton didn't generate nearly as much pressure
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the ball, so I think that
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And obviously the turnovers. Welcome Evan
here. Hopefully everything went well getting back

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through traffick. Evan, we were
talking. I showed your tweet already,

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Darnell sank here standing out for the
Montreal Alowett's defense. What impressed to you

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the most with this game? I
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I'm excited to see Montreal going here
to Toronto and uh, you know it

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could be could be a real low
scoring the fair just and both of these

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defenses step up. But what did
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I mean I think, you know, we can start obviously talking about Darnell

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Sanki, but not just sanky Sean
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really the entire Aliowett's defense I believe
won this game. But you know,

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obviously shout out to Darnell Sanki and
Sean Lemon. You know, great job

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by the Montreal personnel department adding those
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I mean that was you know,
I don't want to say it won them

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the game out right, but uh, you know, two high impact players.

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me, to be honest, that
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Lemon considering that those were two you
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highly respected free agents. But you
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I think it's pretty clear he was
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on a roster at the beginning of
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I pointed out in my tweet,
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as much as we talk about XFL
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Sanki was a guy who played with
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this year, and then signed with
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and has been there ever since.
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He's playing two different seasons of football
in two different countries. That's that's not

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easy to manage. It's honestly great
that we can even see that given the

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current state of you know, football
or pro football, alternate football, whatever

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you want to call it. But
yeah, Sanky and Lemon definitely stood out

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in this game to me more than
really anybody. Yeah. Really remarkable,

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I think, and depending on if
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Cup and I you know, we'll
get kind of our predictions here coming up,

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but truly remarkable. I just think
that's a cool story. And I

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mean we saw the mc cloud of
it all and kind of go into the

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USFL last year. We'll see with
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coming up and kind of how that
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But I don't know, I like
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of that. Jason from a you
know, a little bit more of an

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outsider. Just obviously you're not doing
XFL day in the day out. I

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thought this transition here and kind of
other players being able to do that obviously

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coming into the season late like Darnell
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out if you're done in April.
I mean you could transition into a CFL

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camp in the summer anyway. Yeah, for sure, And I think that,

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you know, it's way more plausible. Obviously it's gonna be e merged

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league, but with the way that
USFL had their schedule, is much less

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like likely for a player to join
the the CFL midway through the season than

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it is for an XFL player like
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But obviously that's a mute point with
the merged league coming up. But

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I think at the end of the
day, it's I think it's pretty cool

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how players can bounce back and forth. They think that at the end of

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the day. You know, I
love the CFL, but I also love

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all types of football, and I
think that I just want more opportunities for

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players to you know, live out
their dream. And I think, you

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know, Sankey's really got the best
of both worlds the last year or so

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here in in the CFL and the
XFL. We talked before you hopped on

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about bow Levi and kind of coming
in late and all that thoughts on him.

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You know, is this the end
of the road for bow obviously upset

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in the comments and you know,
if you're not playing your highest paid player,

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what did you make of that situation? Well, it was a very

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strange decision, I believe because last
week when we were previewing the game,

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excuse me, you know, we
talked about sort of you know, Hamilton's

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two quarterback system and how they were
very likely to play Matt Shiltz and bow

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Livi Mitchell in this game. But
they did so in the way that I

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didn't think was going to happen.
And that was first all they gave Shultz

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to start, which to some people
was a bit controversial. To me personally,

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I understand, you know, he
ultimately I think is well, I

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don't have the numbers with me,
but you know, he played a good

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amount this season, you know,
before his injury and then Taylor Powell came

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in. I mean bow Levi,
you know, up until the end of

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the season here had barely seen the
field due to his injuries. So,

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you know, to some people it
was a bit controversial that they they started

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Shiltz, but in my opinion,
it took them way too long to get

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bow Levi into that game. And
I have a lot of respect for Matt

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Shiltz and what he's done is a
you know, sort of journeyman now in

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the CFL, really only between well
Montreal and Hamilton, but he's been around,

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you know, in a backup role
for several seasons now, someone that

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I'm you know, I would call
a friend and that I highly respect.

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But this wasn't his best at you
know, let's be honest. He was

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not, you know, see in
the field as well. And you know,

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beoliv the fact that he didn't come
in until I mean it was I

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think it must have been less than
halfway through the fourth Yeah, less than

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or more than halfway excuse me,
through the fourth quarter. You know that

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that's on Steinauer. You know that's
on Orlando Steinauer. And you know he

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was questioned about that. I think
one of the TSN guys you know,

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asked him, you know, at
halftime when they came out, you know,

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for the third quarter, would there
be a change at quarterback and he

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just said, oh, well,
we'll see you know. But yeah,

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I mean the fact that I mean, the fact that they didn't even bother

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putting bo into some degree before halftime
is kind of its own thing, and

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it was a very puzzling decision and
it was even more well maybe not surprising,

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but you could definitely fell that bo
Leivi I was not happy about that

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decision when he was interviewed after the
game and came out saying that, you

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know, he doesn't anticipate seeing himself, you know, being there in the

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future, despite his love for the
team. And you know, obviously this

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season didn't go as plan, but
it was very questionable in my opinion,

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again, going in that game,
the idea of playing two quarterbacks and having

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Schiltz kind of be your guy that
leads it out that I understand, but

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given Schiltz's struggles early on, in
the fact that Montreal's defense was able to

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establish themselves for them to not you
know, make a change and put bow

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Levi in who to be honest,
I mean, again, not the way

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we thought the season would go for
him, but somebody who has shown a

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lot of promise here, you know, in these last couple of games and

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has shown us you know that he
could still, you know, maybe be

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a starter in this league. The
fact that they didn't make that change,

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you know, that goes on coaching
and that's going to be a decision that

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I think affects a team for a
long time when you lose a game like

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that, Jason at this point and
I want to transition here that kind of

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the Alouett's going into Toronto. But
as a ty Cats fan, you know,

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come down the last couple of years, right, you're in the Great

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Cup, you lose and there was
all that stuff, and then the last

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year and kind of be on the
outside like do we I don't know,

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how do you? How do you
view this now? Is there enough here?

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The salvage? Bo's not coming back? Do you? Right? With

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Schildt? Like is stein Howard there? I mean, do you blow up?

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How do you? How do you
would you how would you like to

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see them moving forward? Well?
They're kind of in no man's land.

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It really feels like it. I
feel like, like I said, last

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year, they kind of just blamed
it all on the players. They're like,

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it was a disappointing season, we
went eight and ten, Let's change

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a bunch of the players. I
think they flipped over at least half of

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their starters on both sides of the
ball, and they hope that that would

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make the difference, and ultimately it
was the same result this season. And

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I don't know what they do going
forward. I don't think anybody on the

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roster at the quarterback position is necessarily
the answer. Maybe Taylor Powell if he

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gets a little bit more seasoning,
but I don't think you trust that going

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into next year with him being your
number one quarterback. So I mean,

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maybe they look around the league.
I think that maybe Drew Brown in Winnipeg

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is a guy they look to bring
in. I remember years ago I was

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surprised when the ty Cats brought in
Zach Klaris from the Toronto Argonauts, who

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was little known backup who played pretty
well in limited action there. So maybe

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they bring in Drew Brown, or
if somebody else from around the league,

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maybe bring back Dane Evans. I
think that Bridge is probably burned, But

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I think at the end of the
day, they have to make a change

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yet again at the quarterback position.
Yeah, Like I said, I don't

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see Bo being back. I don't
think Matthew Schiltz is an answer at any

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capacity as a starting quarterback. So
I mean, yeah, it's just back

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to the drawing board. And a
lot of this points to the head coaching

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position. I think that Orlando Steinauer, for as much success as he's had

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as a tai Cats head coach,
obviously great Cups appearances in the first couple

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of years of his coaching tenure,
I think that he's just really struggled to

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manage the quarterback position, even going
back to his time when he had Massoli

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and Evans. So I think at
the end of the day, they need

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to pick a guy, commit to
one guy. But I'm losing faith in

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the whole coaching staff here in Hamilton. Yeah, it feels like that was

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kind of the peak of all this, at least obviously in the time that

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we've covered the league. But you
kind of had that strong one A and

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one B, and I remember even
going into that great couchs like you know,

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who's gonna play or what's gonna happ
you a little bit more, We're

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now in this, you know,
you know, the she sheltz and what

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I don't know, it feels like
a lesser version of that in terms of

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Montreal here going in Evan, do
you think that Montreal has a chance here?

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I mean Toronto historic run here and
what is it sixteen to two and

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kind of all that stuff. What
are your thoughts here previewing going into the

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weekend. Well, I'll say this, they look better than I expected,

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you know, playing against Hamilton,
and you know, you can argue maybe

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Hamilton, you know, kind of
dug their grave a bit a bit too

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early, but on Montreal's side of
the ball, you know, like Williams

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stand back in this game. I
think one thing that they did very effectively,

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and that might be more difficult to
do against Toronto, but it certainly

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worked for them here was establishing the
wrong game. You had william stand back,

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you know, eighteen carries for ninety
five yards. You know, they

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didn't have to do a ton of
offense. I mean, I'm still a

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bit concerned obviously about Cody Fajardo.
Very respectable performance here, but you know,

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his one one critical mistake was an
interception in the red zone, and

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I think he's said a couple of
those this year. You know, that

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was at a point in the game
where, you know, had Hamilton's offense

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not stalled out, I guess you
would say, you know, that could

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have easily been a situation where you
know, he throws that interception, Hamilton

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gainst the momentum, they go and
score and the game is tied. But

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besides that, you know, Montreal, do I think that they have a

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shot against Toronto? I don't know. I mean, you know, from

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what I saw in this game,
you know, clearly their defense. Maybe

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I haven't talked about them enough this
year, but they had a great outing

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against Hamilton, and it's hard to
say, you know, well, obviously

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Toronto's offense is gonna be much more
of a juggernaut than than Hamilton's offense,

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which has been as much as I've
again praised this season under their change with

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Scott Molanovitch, I feel like,
you know, I feel like it's still

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been pretty up and down at times, a lot of different quarterbacks, as

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Jason has pointed out. But you
know, Montreal, I think if their

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defense, you know, stays stout, they'll at least make the game competitive.

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I really don't think that they have
a chance at winning unfortunately, but

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maybe they proved me wrong. You
know this, to be honest, there's

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a team that I mean going into
this Toronto game. If they win that

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game, you know, if they
even have a chance, that would prove

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a lot of people wrong, including
myself, because let's be honest. You

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know, while Montreal has defied the
odds this season, a lot of people

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thought that they were going to be
the worst team in the league, they

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still have a lot to prove.
You know, as much as I've talked

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about this defense being strong, in
this offense, you know, throughout the

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year, having several different different pieces
excuse me, that have made this team

408
00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:33.839
you know, watchable. The fact
that they haven't beaten Toronto or BC or

409
00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.279
Winnipeg that's incredibly alarming, you know, and great. You know, you

410
00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:40.559
get a playoff win, you know, first year under Jason Moss and Cody

411
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:42.920
Fagardo. Even if they do lose
that game in Toronto, I feel like

412
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.960
you walk away from this season,
you know, feeling good about yourself and

413
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:48.920
feeling good going in the next year, knowing that you have a lot to

414
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.200
build off of. But I just
see Toronto is too strong. Unfortunately,

415
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.839
going into this one. I am
happy for the Alletts, and you know,

416
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:03.440
I know that the TV announcer talking
a lot about it too, obviously,

417
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.880
we you know, including like even
James Letcher here he had the one

418
00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.440
B one, he at least one
big run when I kind of had tuned

419
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:11.640
it on, and I always get
excited to kind of always you know,

420
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.079
is he going to make a break
again. But we have a lot of

421
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.680
outlets players on the show, and
they've been tremendously good for me to work

422
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.519
with and to get players on,
and so I obviously have a lot of

423
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.920
you know, friends and good warm
feelings towards a team. And this really

424
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:27.480
could have been a dumpster fire this
year coming in and just everything Cody's gone

425
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:32.799
through with Jason Moss and everything.
And we've talked about that with Darreld Davis

426
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.279
on about Saskatchewan and their problems.
Now we're like, hey, you know,

427
00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:38.400
Cody Jason, like they were the
scapegoats. Hey, that's the problem,

428
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.279
and you get rid of them,
and now they're excelling here. And

429
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:45.960
obviously there's a lot of more movie
parts and just you know, two individuals

430
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.240
moving back and forth, but just
excited and excited for Cody like Evan said,

431
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.559
to get a playoff win, you're
still playing meaningful football. You're going

432
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079
to be in the finals. I
don't think excuse me, I don't think

433
00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:00.000
anyone had them penciled in for that, Jason, in terms of your expectations

434
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.119
for the year, I mean,
had to exceed anything for the for the

435
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.079
Allettes, Oh absolutely. I mean
I had them, like I said a

436
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:10.279
couple of weeks ago on the show, that I had them last place in

437
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.039
the CFL, like a lot of
people did going into the season. I

438
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.799
really didn't believe in the playmakers that
they had. I thought their defense was,

439
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.720
you know, kind of middle of
the road. But obviously that proved

440
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.559
to be false. And I think
that, yeah, they have to be

441
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.640
proud of the season that they've had, especially considering they had new ownership as

442
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.599
well, really gives them something to
build off of, regardless of what happens

443
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:33.759
in Toronto on Saturday. But yeah, I think that it's been a very

444
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.200
good season for the Alouettes and they
have to be proud of what they've done

445
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.640
and exceeding a lot of people's expectations. I mean, obviously there's no like

446
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.000
you don't get flowers for you know, at the end of the day,

447
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:48.079
you want to win and make it
all the way. You know, there's

448
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.400
no like half measures. But I
just it really could have been a nightmare,

449
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.480
and I feel good for them.
Toronto's really good. I don't know,

450
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.160
I kind of worry there, afraid
that this could be a little bit

451
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.880
of a bla. Do you at
least see Montreal kind of keeping this I

452
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.680
guess keeping this close because the thing
during this game, like you said,

453
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.200
Cody's got the interception, that I
kind of felt that way yesterday watching the

454
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.319
Commanders play against the Patriots, Like, you know, we won the game,

455
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.880
did play our best game, but
I'm like, man, the Patriots

456
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.480
were even a remotely good team at
all, like we would be having trouble

457
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:19.319
right now. Like to me,
it felt the same way, like,

458
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.240
yeah, Aloett's won. I mean, obviously doubled up the score, but

459
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.480
if Hamilton even had a modicum of
kind of any sort of momentum going,

460
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.000
it maybe would have been a little
bit closer. So what do you make

461
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.880
here of at least the Alouettes keeping
it close in Toronto? Well, I

462
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.160
think another big thing that I didn't
talk about is as much as I've praised

463
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.960
you, know Montreal's defense, and
again they've got all these different offensive playmakers,

464
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.799
which has contributed to their success this
season. You know, Cody Fajardo

465
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:51.160
has a very very difficult task ahead
of him when it comes to that.

466
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:53.839
You know, Argo's defense, both
the upfront and in their secondary. I

467
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:56.960
mean you look at the amount of
all star talent that they have on that

468
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.720
defense. I mean, you know
Hamilton's defense. You know, they have

469
00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:04.920
pieces that I like, but I
mean you're going this is a whole other

470
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.599
level. I mean, you know
what he faced against Hamilton, I really

471
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:12.200
don't think, you know, is
comparable and that it'll be interesting to see,

472
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.480
you know, just within a week, you know, if he can

473
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.880
handle or you know, manage that
difference. So we'll see, you know,

474
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.559
Cody, Look, Cody's been up
and down. Cody is one of

475
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.079
those quarterbacks where it always feels like
he's got something to prove, you know,

476
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.240
and we know that in the past. I mean, you know,

477
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.839
there's a reason that he's here in
Montreal and that you know his I guess

478
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.119
you could say his career has been
well up and down, Like I already

479
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.039
said that to this point, But
there's a reason he's in Montreal, and

480
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.200
to be honest, this year,
I was ready to count him out pretty

481
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.000
early, and he's you know,
while he's proved me wrong, you know,

482
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:53.200
like there's still Montreal is kind of
a there's just so many question marks

483
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.880
with that team, and some of
them were answered in this game against Hamilton.

484
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.039
You know, they really took advantage
of that home playoff game and that

485
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.759
was great to see. You know, it wasn't a fluke. They were

486
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.160
able to go well. Of course, they had home field advantage, so

487
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.400
that was a bit of a benefit, but they were able to win a

488
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:08.799
playoff game and a lot of people, you know, would have never thought

489
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.920
that we would have even been at
this point. So yeah, I mean,

490
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.240
in terms of Cody specifically, like
I said, you know, he's

491
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.759
he's proved me wrong this season for
a majority of it. But you know,

492
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.400
I watching his game, you know, just last week and obviously a

493
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.519
couple of games you know into the
regular season, there's still some things that

494
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:30.000
he needs to clean up, you
know, if he wants to again have

495
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.039
a chance against you know, a
defense of that caliber, and you know

496
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.680
that's gonna be a new challenge for
him. Now. Fortunately Toronto and Montreal

497
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.920
have had some very entertaining matchups this
season. I go back to I think

498
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.400
it was the game in July that
was, you know, that big back

499
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:48.440
and forth battle and obviously Toronto got
the better of him. But you know,

500
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.880
we'll see, given that Toronto's had, you know, a week off,

501
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.319
you want to see how they're able
to respond to that, as any

502
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.880
team does in a situation where they
have a bye week. So all of

503
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.240
that's kind of interesting. The But
to answer your question, like I said,

504
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.279
I mean, after this playoff game, I feel a bit more comfortable

505
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:08.839
about Montreal going into a BMO and
not you know, suffering a complete blowout

506
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.079
at the hands of Chad Kelly.
I'm just trying to figure out. And

507
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.519
I you know, I'm the biggest
Cody Fjarda fan and one hundred percent support.

508
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.880
I'm just trying to figure out,
like you know, if you put

509
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.400
if Montreal is constructed in a way
where we had like we got a pretty

510
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.519
good defense, we have enough guys
that can catch the ball, like we

511
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.200
see what happened with BC when Vernon's
out and Dane has kind of been up

512
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:32.880
and down this year, it hasn't
played kind of up to that level like

513
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.799
is are the alowitz winning because of
Cody Jason or is it could you plug

514
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.759
and play maybe another quarterback in there, or is Cody good enough to kind

515
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.720
of elevate and raise them over.
I think that Cody Pajaro, like I

516
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.400
was saying last week on the show, is kind of like that league average

517
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.279
starting quarterback that he doesn't really hinder
the team around him, or he doesn't

518
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.599
really raise the play of the players
around and I'm around him, and I

519
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.839
think that at the end of the
day, he's a guy that, you

520
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:03.200
know, skill set wise, not
really the best deep ball thrower, doesn't

521
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.880
really push the ball downfield. He
didn't have to do that in this game,

522
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.519
and I think that's gonna be the
big determining factor against Toronto because I

523
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.079
think the Alouettes are going to have
to score thirty plus points in order to

524
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.880
beat the Argos at Bemo Field.
And I get to see that Alouette's team

525
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.279
this season, so I'm interested to
see how that matchup plays out. I

526
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.799
think that they have some playmakers on
that side of the ball. Austin Mack

527
00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.599
has been excellent this season, one
of my favorite players to watcht the CFL

528
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.559
this season. Had a huge play
in this one, really the touchdown that

529
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.200
really decided this game. So really
interested to see how he plays in this

530
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.720
one. And Toronto's had some weaknesses
in the secondary this year. They have

531
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.680
given up a lot of big plays. I think there was one game against

532
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.240
Oudawa that they really audible was moving
up and down the field with the passing

533
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.160
game. So they've had some moments
where they haven't looked the best in the

534
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.359
secondary this year. It's gonna be
all about if Montreal can exploit that weakness

535
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:01.640
and you know, keep up offensively
with the argos Evan. Any other thoughts

536
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.279
here on this game will transition over
the BC and all of that. I

537
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.880
want to make sure you get any
other thoughts on this. Yeah, I

538
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:09.880
mean, I think I'll just touch
on Hamilton to wrap this up, because

539
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.240
we've obviously been focused on Montreal since
they won this game and they did it

540
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:19.319
in the impressive fashion. But yeah, you know, I was I was

541
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.480
just really surprised, you know,
by Hamilton. Like I said, I

542
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.559
thought they had a really good chance
in this game and they came out and

543
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.160
like to me, it was pretty
clear after like the first quarter that I

544
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.880
don't want to say it was a
lost cause because they did keep it,

545
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.119
you know, somewhat close, but
it just felt like every time they were

546
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.960
you know, within reach, Montreal
kept pulling away and there was nothing you

547
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:43.279
know, really they could do about
it. The only bright spot I'd say

548
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.480
for Hamilton in this game, at
least on offense, was a James Butler,

549
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.720
you know, establishing the run with
him, but you know, that

550
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.200
didn't really feel like it happened until
later. You know, he averaged six

551
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:58.160
point four yards of carry on thirteen
touch, which is great, you know,

552
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.160
but man, like I just I
had so much hope, you know,

553
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.359
for this Hamilton team after what I've
seen here in the past couple of

554
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.640
games to end the season. They
finished so strong, and for them to

555
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.079
come into Hamilton like that, and
really, to be honest, I mean,

556
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.960
I hate to be critical like this, but to put up a rather

557
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.200
forgettable performance, it's a shame.
But again you have to credit the opponent.

558
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.319
And you know, I now now
that I again, now that I've

559
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.000
watched that game and I had an
opportunity to really see Montreal again in their

560
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.839
you know, full or at full
strength, I should say I feel a

561
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.160
bit better about them going to Toronto
because, like I had said before,

562
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.440
you know, I thought Hamilton versus
Toronto would have been the much more entertaining

563
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.160
matchup. But to be honest,
like you know, Montreal demonstrated that they

564
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.640
you know, have enough to at
least, you know, make things interesting

565
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.720
in another playoff game. So I'd
say that's a that's a win win situation,

566
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.519
Jason, Like, you know,
we were talking to you, what's

567
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.519
the state of the Ti Cats?
And it's just hard because you know,

568
00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.279
like in the CFL, it's hard
not to be a playoff team kind of

569
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:01.480
right, you know, you really
got to be you really got to be

570
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.559
avitendent. So this whole like,
well, you know, Hamilton made to

571
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.039
the playoffs, Like what do you
want? You know, we're gonna do

572
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.159
it, like to be third in
the East and get knocked out, and

573
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:15.679
like Evan's had a pretty forgettable game, Like it seems to be a little

574
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.000
bar here to kind of go through
and get that buy. And so I'm

575
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.840
just worried about that and kind of
obviously, you know, tay Cat fans

576
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.960
moving forward, do you have anything
else on this game? But we can

577
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.119
move on. Yeah, I'm kind
of afraid that the tay Cats management won't

578
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.400
be U won't be open to making
changes this offseason because, oh, we're

579
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.119
a playoff team this year. Again, We've been the playoffs four four years

580
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.559
with Orlando Steiner as the head coach. So I'm afraid they're just not gonna

581
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.400
do anything. I mean, they're
going to change the quarterback position, but

582
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.599
outside of that, I'm kind of
afraid that they're going to be complacent and

583
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:52.719
not make the changes necessary to really
get this team back into the conversation as

584
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.280
one of the best teams in the
league. So I'm very concerned for the

585
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.679
ty Cats heading into the offseason.
Yeah, we talked to last week,

586
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.320
and we have the same standings,
you know, right in terms of last

587
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.960
year and this year, and that
we have the same result right going into

588
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.519
you know, both of these right
going in again. And so you just

589
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.199
wonder in that way, like it's
such an easy sell, Oh, you

590
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.800
know, we made it in.
It's like it's like the Commanders had a

591
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.159
couple of years like, well,
you know, we're like we're teetering on

592
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.480
the playoffs, and you're like you're
either gonna you know, getting to me

593
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.159
being a playoff team and getting knocked
out the first round is not there's nothing

594
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.480
to celebrate about that. You know, you want to have sustaining success for

595
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.440
that, Evan. Anything else,
we'll get onto the other one, all

596
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.920
right. So we had this and
like I said, I was, I

597
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.039
think I have this right here.
I was at the bar watching this.

598
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.719
Evan, We'll do our CFL plus
ran at the end of the show for

599
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:47.159
anyone, we'll get into football first
year, you know my fear right,

600
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:52.159
BC kind of whatever. BC took
care of business. Put it point still.

601
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:53.960
You know, you know the Donut
Boys still giving a given up thirty

602
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:58.599
and I saw I'll got to pull
the tweet up here that Ryan Phillips and

603
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.199
said like, yeah, most of
my guys played pretty good. I'm like,

604
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.480
oh, look, that's interesting.
I kind of like that. Let's

605
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.840
go first adjacent for this. BC
took care of business. You know,

606
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.199
a score looks a little bit more
misleading than the game felt. But what

607
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.719
did you make of this game?
This game was all about Bernon Adams,

608
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.719
like Vernon Adams was the best player
in the CFL this weekend, and it

609
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.239
really showed. I mean, this
is one of the best quarterback performances I

610
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.159
think we've seen since in the playoffs, since the league came back from the

611
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.960
canceled twenty twenty season, so I
think that he was just lights out and

612
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.039
the Calgary defense had no answers for
them. And the funny thing is Calgary

613
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.480
goes right down the field on the
opening drives scores the touchdown. I'm like,

614
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.719
Reid's getting really nervous right now.
He's probably sweating right now. But

615
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.920
texted me I was walking the dock. I go, I had, I

616
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.639
got the game's been on for three
minutes. I'm not back from walking the

617
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:52.079
dock yet. Yeah. It's like
crazy, like how this game started and

618
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.360
then how quickly BC just flipped that
and just they just never looked back.

619
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.480
And I think the key play in
this game was Calgary had the ball in

620
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.840
their second possession because they forced a
punt on the BC's first possession. Calgary

621
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:08.880
had the ball, was driving into
BC territory and then Gary Peters I believe,

622
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.480
got the interception and then BC just
really didn't look back. They got

623
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.800
the tying touchdown and then took the
leads soon after, and Bernard Adams just

624
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.039
basically a flawless game from him,
and Keon Asher had a massive game as

625
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.119
well. Yeah, I was sitting
there at the bar, I tweeted out,

626
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.440
you know, Keon have a day. I mean this was every time

627
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.559
I was looking because we had the
UDUB game on. They were playing who

628
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.239
played USC you know, boohoo of
Caleb Williams like that. It is just

629
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.039
ridiculous. I'm sorry, but I'm
watching. It's like, every time I'm

630
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.800
looking at my phone, Keon's getting
a twenty thirty yard reception. What was

631
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:50.159
his statline? Even one ninety nine
receptions from one ninety five Jeerlli remarkable,

632
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:51.800
Evan, what did you make of
this one? Becau? Yeah, you

633
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.800
were texting me. I'm like,
the game, hasn't I get my the

634
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:58.679
other vacation. The game started two
mans, I get the vacation. Calgary

635
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.440
is up seven zero. Yeah,
well look I predicted that BC would score

636
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:08.440
over forty points in this game,
and they did that very interesting start.

637
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.440
You know, when Jake Mayer came
out with a three play, eighty one

638
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.719
yard touchdown drive and what felt like
about thirty seconds, I thought, well,

639
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.480
they're like, you know, is
this really like, is this what

640
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.599
it's gonna be? Or is this
just like a one off thing? Because

641
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.719
you know, he had the big
completion the Bagleton like on the first play,

642
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.639
and it was interesting because they did
that exact same thing pretty much.

643
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.239
I forget if it was to Reggie
Bagleton or the Trey Odoms Dukes two weeks

644
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.079
ago, and that pass was dropped. But you know, they came out

645
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.719
at the gate with a big play, but this time they hit it and

646
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.199
then I think they had a run
and then they had the touchdown to Market

647
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.280
Michelle which went for over thirty yards. And I mean, way to make

648
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.800
a statement, you know, early, but unfortunately when you're going up against

649
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.000
that juggernaut of an offense, and
the big question I think going into this

650
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.079
game, not that there were many
questions for BC, but it really was

651
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.159
Vernon Adams, you know, whether
or not he's going to come out in

652
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.679
the playoffs and really performed he has
in the regular season. You know,

653
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.559
I think this was his first playoff
game and in quite a few years,

654
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:12.519
you know, going back to when
he was in Montreal obviously, but I

655
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.079
mean, man, he lit it
up. You know. He any doubts

656
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.280
that we had about Vernon Adams if
there were any, which to me there

657
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:21.840
weren't, but maybe the other people
that were those were silenced, you know,

658
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.119
within a couple of minutes. You
know, obviously Calgar got off that

659
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:27.639
hard start. You're thinking like,
okay, like is this gonna get interesting?

660
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.880
But you know, Vernon kept as
cool and they got rolling man and

661
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.119
you know, of course, well
BC's defense, you know, still giving

662
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.840
up thirty points. I mean,
you could argue that there's still some work

663
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.639
that needs to be done there,
and they had a couple guys that got

664
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.800
banged up early, you know,
so that will be something to monitor really,

665
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:51.719
that entire unit obviously going into Winnipeg. I won't get too much into

666
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.320
that right now. Obviously we have
a lot to talk about with that matchup,

667
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.079
because that's, to us, I
think, one of the better games

668
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.960
of the year, or it could
be U anyway, just sticking to this

669
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.000
game, I mean, keyon Hatcher, you know, nearly twenty two yards

670
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.320
per catch. I mean the fact
that he had you know, nearly two

671
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.320
hundred yards on less than ten catches. I mean, if that doesn't summarize

672
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.280
this offense and what they've been able
to do opening up that passing game,

673
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.000
I don't know, I don't know
what is at Jordan Max Simmick, I

674
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.519
think is the offensive coordinator there,
and you know, what a great job

675
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.599
he's done. You know, as
much as we've given credit to all the

676
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.480
players this season, I think the
coordinators and the coaches deserve you know,

677
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.880
their credit as well, because I
mean, you know, going out there

678
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.960
and I mean, man like that, just the absolute offensive clinic from this

679
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.119
team every week. Now, the
one thing still, and this has been

680
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.400
a theme all season, but the
one thing that's still you know is slightly

681
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:51.400
of concern going into next week,
is the run game continues to you know.

682
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.840
Now, look when you're leading rusher, I mean Vernon had Look,

683
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.039
Vernon was efficient, you know,
fifty four yards on seven carries, had

684
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.440
three rushing touchdowns, didn't even need
Tom Davis for that short yardage stuff.

685
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.719
But whenever your quarterback is the leading
rusher in a game, that's a sign

686
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.599
that you know, you probably haven't
established things correctly. So again, and

687
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.639
this is something that I pointed out
before, but I'll reiterate it here now

688
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.039
that we're in the playoffs. You
know, BC, as much as it's

689
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:19.440
fun to watch their offense and you
know they kind of they air it out

690
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.480
and it's just you know, it's
good football. It's fun, fast paced,

691
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.679
you know, high scoring stuff.
You know, when you're going up

692
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.280
against the team, you know,
like Winnipeg in the conditions that they could

693
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.000
be facing next week. You know, establishing the run I think is something

694
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:37.039
that would be very high on that
list. But you know, even in

695
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.519
games that didn't matter this season,
or games against I guess you'd say lesser

696
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.079
opponents, you know, they any
opportunity that they've had to establish that run

697
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.960
game was not successful. And that's
something that you know, I really worry

698
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.920
about because again, when Vernon,
you know, when Vernon slows down or

699
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.119
has a setback, it seems to
be harder for him to get back into

700
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:04.079
the mind of things right. So
you know, typically in a situation like

701
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.079
that, there's a mistake made,
quarterback needs time to reset. You're gonna

702
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.639
lean on your run game and those
guys to you know, kind of pound

703
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.599
the rock and move things forward.
But so far, I mean again,

704
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.440
Vernon was the leading rusher in this
game, so you know, where do

705
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.119
you go. It's kind of all
on his shoulders and it has been,

706
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.280
you know, for this season.
I think that's what made this season so

707
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.880
impressive for Vernon as it wasn't.
You know, look, obviously Winnipeg has

708
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.679
a great offense, you know,
with Zach Klaros, but they can kind

709
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.800
of fall back on Brady olivera who
you know, had a phenomenal season,

710
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.039
not just by a Canadian rusher,
but of any rusher. You know that

711
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.639
we've seen in the CFL over the
past couple of seasons. So you know

712
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.000
that I think it really makes Vernon
stand out and that's why I've been,

713
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.000
you know, talking about him so
much in a positive way this season.

714
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.639
But you know, some of these
flaws, you know, defense giving up,

715
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.159
you know, random points late that
they don't need to, you know,

716
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.159
no run game that those are all
things that they're gonna have to get

717
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:00.440
fixed quickly or adjust too quickly.
Hitting the game against one a pig if

718
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.000
they if they want to have a
shot in that or else. Despite this

719
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.599
game being very good and Vernon establishing
himself, you know that that could all

720
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:13.559
go away very quickly. Yeah you
have h yeah, twenty eight yards rushing,

721
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.920
you know. Inside here with myself, I was looking at next week's

722
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.880
given me. You know, freezing
that's the fair and height here it's gonna

723
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.199
be thirty thirty three degrees fair?
What is that? Uh do No matter,

724
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.800
it's gonna be one degree, one
degree Helsias here, you gotta you

725
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:30.800
gotta get that, and especially when
you know you said not only it's bretty

726
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:35.320
olivera having a standout season like he's
probably gonna be the MP. So you

727
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.239
have you have no run game at
all versus a run game that is probably

728
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.360
going to win the MP, you
know, for the first non quarterback,

729
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.719
you know, for many many years
to do this in the can Football League.

730
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.880
Vernon a tremendous game, a clean
game. I love to see that.

731
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.840
I had a comment here at James, every time VA has a big

732
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.320
game, he falls up at the
bad game. I don't believe that at

733
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.519
all. I don't think that that's
true. Jason. How concerning is a

734
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:07.199
run game here for BC Windpeg,
Well, I don't think it's suddenly gonna

735
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.400
turn around now. I don't think
that suddenly they're gonna find this great running

736
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:15.280
game in Winnipeg on Saturday. So
I think they're gonna need Vernon Adams to

737
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.000
play like he did this weekend again
if they want any shot of beating Winnipeg

738
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.119
next weekend. And we have seen
that happen. We saw that in the

739
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.119
first meeting against BC, where against
Winnipeg where they went into Winnipeg and he

740
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.920
had a great game and the defense
obviously was playing a lot better back then.

741
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.840
But I think we have seen that
from the BC Lions offense before and

742
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.719
Vernon Adams specifically, So I think
they do have a shot. But I

743
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:43.199
think with the running game, yeah, I don't expect them to suddenly find

744
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.960
it. I think the best thing
they can hope for is that they you

745
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.400
know, really game plan and shut
down Brady olivera and you know, hope

746
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.400
that their defense can hold up passing
game wise. But I think at the

747
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.280
end of the day, it's gonna
be a do or die for their ride

748
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.239
and die, I should say,
with their passing game against winn Peg.

749
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:05.280
To me, it's just and we'll
see. I mean the game hasn't happened

750
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.679
yet, but it's just frustrating where
like none of this will be a surprise.

751
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.679
If they come out then they can't
run and you know, Winnipeg shuts

752
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.360
it down and you know, like
this has all been foretold and so I

753
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:22.000
just don't I don't know they're uh, you know, scheming or otherwise is

754
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.320
that coaching? Like you just I
don't know, can we figure this out?

755
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.599
Or they I never get this,
Like you see these teams, like

756
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.800
are the coaches like do they think
it's better? Like does Rick Campbell think

757
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:32.400
like, oh this is fine?
Like like I just I would love to

758
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.280
be in the mindset of like,
oh no, like we're fine, like

759
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.599
we're going to go in there like
you know, not not the media bs

760
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.800
and talking and Okay, we're gonna
give it. Like I would like,

761
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.039
you know, some real truth sirm
here of Campbell and kind of everyone else

762
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.880
and just with the simments and kind
of all that, like what what what

763
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:50.440
are you guys planning here? Do
you not realize that this is going to

764
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.119
be an issue? Evan Winnipeg?
Like I said, really good here coming

765
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:58.639
in anything else about that matchup in
particular, because we'll kind of talk a

766
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.840
little Calgary here post warm as well. Right, well, I think,

767
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.119
you know, for BC to have
a chance in this game against Winnipeg.

768
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.559
And you know, now that I've
had time to think about this, I've

769
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.960
seen, you know, obviously a
lot from this team. I went to

770
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.039
a game in person this year to
watch him, which was against Calgary,

771
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.920
So I didn't think back then it
was going to be a playoff preview,

772
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:19.800
but you know, CFL gets gets
funny sometimes. But you know, I

773
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.360
think ultimately what BC is gonna have
to do because I agree with Jason as

774
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.679
much as I say, well,
they need to find the wrong game.

775
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.000
They need to do this, like
you've got five days. If it hasn't

776
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.039
turned around all season, you're not
going to get it in five days,

777
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.639
you know. But I mean sometimes
miracles happen, but now realistically it's not

778
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.800
going to happen. So what I
think BC needs to do in this game

779
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.280
is they need to start hot.
They need to do what Calgary did,

780
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.320
you know, to be ce what
we saw, you know, and we

781
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.159
could talk about that a bit more
here in a minute. But this weekend,

782
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.119
like you know, just have like
a you know, just get Vernon

783
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.639
out there. I mean, I
don't know if they're going to get the

784
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:52.519
ball first, right, you can't
predict that, but let's say, you

785
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.360
know they start with the ball.
I mean, you just got to take

786
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.480
some shots. I think, you
know, you just got to, like,

787
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:00.880
you know, get Vernon out there
early. You know, get a

788
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.320
three four play scoring drive. And
that's way easier said than done. And

789
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.679
again they're I mean they're going to
be doing that in some pretty cold weather.

790
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.079
We know that, you know,
Winnipeg is a different beast, not

791
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.559
just the team but the environment.
But I would really like to see them

792
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.599
get out there and just like you
know, we know what their strengths are,

793
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.599
and I mean, the best thing
that they can do is, you

794
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.679
know, at this point, it's
not really about you know, fixing you

795
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:24.360
know, the holes, because they've
I think they've tried to do that this

796
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.440
season and it just hasn't worked.
Unfortunately, They've still been able to win

797
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.400
games just because they have enough power. But at this point, you just

798
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.960
have to go in there and you
know, like we say, you've got

799
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.000
to go make a statement. You
have to go and get that big scoring

800
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:38.920
drive early, you know, get
key On Hatcher involved, get Alex Hollins

801
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.079
involved, you know, just get
everybody going early. And if you don't

802
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.119
do that, then I think there
was the writings on the wall is a

803
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.000
good saying they need to do.
When I was looking back here and this

804
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.280
is what was this week three or
four? If I can get this up

805
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.199
here, you know, and they
went in before this where they really shut

806
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.800
them down and held them to field
goals. Really take the crowd out of

807
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.679
it, because to me, that's
that's the biggest thing. It's not only

808
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.920
the elements, right, but it's
the whole, and it's just everyone's screaming.

809
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:09.960
And I remember watching the game last
year and Nathan's coming back and he's

810
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:14.360
been you know, he's still not
one hundred percent and just like I felt

811
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.559
so bad for all that. You
need to, Evan said, score early,

812
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:21.000
get the crowd out of it.
Jason, you know Evan and I

813
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.079
on the BC team train you in
Texas. You your you're pro BC.

814
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.599
Now what are you making here of
their chances going into Winnipeg. Well,

815
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.480
they definitely have a shot, because
you know, this is a team when

816
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.880
they're playing their best, they can
beat any team in the CFL. But

817
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.519
I think at certain points they get
too high on themselves. I feel like

818
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.679
we've seen that throughout the year where
they've had a big victory. You know,

819
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.800
they play excellent like they did this
week, and then the next week

820
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.360
they kind of show up a little
bit flat against a team that is better

821
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.960
prepared. So I think I'm looking
forward to seeing how they start the game.

822
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.760
Like you said, if they can
get off to a lead, I

823
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.039
think that would be huge in this
one. And just to add on the

824
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.639
running game aspect of things. I
think that they did a good job in

825
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:04.880
this game. Even though they didn't
run the ball well, they did a

826
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.559
good job of getting the ball to
Takwan Mazelle in like the screen game and

827
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.920
stuff like that, kind of substituting
for the running game. So I think

828
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.880
that could be huge. Kind of
slowing down that Winnipeg pass rush will be

829
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.039
huge because I think Winnipeg had six
sacks the last time they played at BC,

830
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.079
So I think that will be huge
slowing down Willie Jefferson and company over

831
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:25.039
there. So I think BC has
a shot. They have, you know,

832
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.360
so many playmakers on that side of
the ball. I think Dominic Grimes,

833
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.280
who had a quiet game this week, is due for a big game

834
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.639
next week. So I mean,
I think they have a lot more firepower

835
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.000
left in them this season. So
I think they have a shot. But

836
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.199
at the end of the day,
Winnipeg is gonna be very tough to beat

837
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.840
a team with a championship pedigree.
Yeah. I like seeing like you said,

838
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.760
different kind of uses because I know
Myzelle and they liked him because he

839
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.199
was her earlier in this season.
He missed a week or two and then

840
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.320
they brought him back and they said, well, we like him because of

841
00:49:55.440 --> 00:50:00.320
his hands and he's able to do
more of that reception stuff. Not to

842
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.920
keep bringing up commandities, but similarly, the enemy is using a lot of

843
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.199
our running backs in different ways now
where it's not we're not just pounding in

844
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:08.559
like let's get them in motion,
Let's get them, you know, in

845
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.559
the passing game that way, and
kind of like you said, you do

846
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.119
the same give the same benefit,
but you know, maybe maybe it doesn't

847
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.000
look like a rushing whatever kind of
thing on paper. I want to talk

848
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.039
Calgary here and then we'll do the
kind of CFL set before we get out.

849
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.639
Evan, I guess first to you, like, it's been not a

850
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.119
great season. They've had two games, you know, pretty good games back

851
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.519
to back here and Mayor looking at
least halfway decent. What do you make

852
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:37.400
here kind of all said and done
for Calgary. Well, look, I

853
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:39.239
mean, you know, I think
this game could have been a lot worse

854
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.679
for Calgary, and I'm honestly a
bit surprised that they were able to.

855
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.119
Obviously they didn't win, but the
fact that they were able to, well,

856
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.880
I can't even really say competitive at
least just put points on the board.

857
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:54.000
I mean, you know that this
team, I mean, there's no

858
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.719
doubt that they've had their struggles this
year. And you know, Mayor,

859
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:00.519
I mean, if you take away
those two interceptions, Jake Mayer had one

860
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.559
of his better games, you could
argue of the entire season here, you

861
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.159
know. And I think another thing
too that really the Calgary really benefited from,

862
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.519
you know, was Kadeem Carey establishing
their run game. You know,

863
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.679
it was fourteen carries for seventy five
yards, taking a bit of that workload

864
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.960
off of off of Mayor, even
though he still threw for three hundred yards.

865
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:22.519
I mean, what are you gonna
do, Like, you just got

866
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.960
to keep firing when you're going against
BC's offense. But yeah, I mean,

867
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.760
you know, ultimately, I don't
think this was this was a bad

868
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.320
game for Calgary. They didn't you
know, going into the game, I

869
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.840
didn't think they had much of a
shot. But the fact that they were

870
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.800
even able to pull within eleven and
it got that high scoring, I mean,

871
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.360
I'll give him credit for that.
You know, I mean that team

872
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:47.599
went through a lot this year.
You know, the fact that they're even

873
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.760
in playoffs now, and it looked
it looked impossible that they were going to

874
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.360
keep that streak alive. But by
the way, separate note, but pretty

875
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.559
sad about Daguerrett Davis a great Cup
streak ending. I don't know if I

876
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.880
don't talk about that before I got
on, but yeah, that's uh,

877
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.519
that's a that's a tough one.
I was kind of banking on that in

878
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.239
the back of my head. But
anyway, you know, Calgary, Yeah,

879
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.079
I mean, look, you know, they they're still gonna have some

880
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.800
questions, you know, going into
this offseason. But to be honest,

881
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.719
I mean, you know, they
came into the playoffs, you know,

882
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.599
when everybody said they wouldn't, and
they had a respectable day, and you

883
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:29.320
know, to be honest, I
mean, you know, are you really

884
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.480
gonna make significant changes after that?
I don't think so. I mean,

885
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.440
I still believe in Jake Mayer and
again, you know, not the season

886
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.719
that I expected from him at all. Really, yeah, he flashed some

887
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.480
stuff, but I thought he was
gonna be playing at an all star level

888
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.840
and you know, it wasn't quite
close to that. But do I think

889
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.360
that, you know, if he
puts the time in, you know,

890
00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:50.360
with the off season program, then
yes, I think he could get to

891
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.800
that level. Still. Again,
we've seen so many flashes from him this

892
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.920
year. He just needs to limit
some things and polish some things up that

893
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.440
I thought might have already been done
going into this season. But if he

894
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.920
needs an extra year, look,
like I said, you know, football

895
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.880
in general, not just a CFL, is is a winning business. And

896
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:08.719
you know, whether you like it
or not, this team, as ugly

897
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.480
as it was, again they were
in the playoffs. You can't you can't

898
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.239
slice that one way or another.
So excited to see you know what the

899
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.760
off season brings for this team.
It's one of those situations. I mean,

900
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:23.880
all all the off season situations you
know, are very interesting. And

901
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:28.079
you know, the one thing that
sets the CFL apart from you know,

902
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.000
some other pro football leagues, I
mean mainly the NFL. If you want

903
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:35.039
to draw direct comparison, is you
know, like free agency, right,

904
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.679
a lot of these guys are only
going the teams for maybe a year,

905
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.360
so you get a lot of turnover
and a lot of a lot of change.

906
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.880
So it's easy for teams to kind
of swap players out if they want

907
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:45.920
so. I mean, look at
Hamilton. Jason brought it up earlier.

908
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.920
They were. You know, they
turned over half their roster just because you

909
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.519
have so many guys on those those
shorter contracts. So, you know,

910
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.280
again, Calgary, it'll be interesting
to see what they do with some of

911
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.639
their pieces. I love what they
already have, to be honest, I

912
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.880
wouldn't. I would hope. I
guess that they would keep a lot of

913
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:05.800
those pieces, you know, going
into next year, because I think that

914
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.760
they can win more than six games
with the existing roster right now. But

915
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.840
you know, again, one of
those one of those situations that'll be fun

916
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.679
to follow, as there is for
a lot of teams, you know,

917
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.719
not just the playoff teams. Yeah, Jason sin to you here, we

918
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.159
tied to Hamilton and all of that. I mean, I feel like he

919
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.079
can't blow up Calgary, right,
I mean I feel like Jake took him

920
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:29.039
to the playoffs here, right,
Yeah, for sure. I mean this

921
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:32.039
whole season was a struggle for them. I think their injured list was absolutely

922
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:37.079
huge. I think one injury that
really cost them this season was the injury

923
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.440
to Malie Henry. I think that
with him and Bagleton, they have a

924
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:45.239
legit one two receiver combo, and
Emilie Henry is the guy that can stretch

925
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:47.760
the field for them. But once
they lost that element, this offense was

926
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.639
very, very hard to watch.
And I mean I was also looking at

927
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.920
the free agent list this morning that
three down posted. They have thirty eight

928
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.360
free agents of the fifty something man
roster, so they have an opportunity to

929
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.039
change a lot of this roster if
they want to this offseason. It'll be

930
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.360
interesting to see who they decide to
keep. But Calgary has been a team

931
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.039
throughout the years that has been very
reluctant to spend money in free agency and

932
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.960
bring in players from other teams,
and I'm very interested to see now that

933
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.480
they've had a season like this,
do they change the philosophy at all in

934
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.960
that regard. I would bring in
a legitimate backup quarterback because as much as

935
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.159
we want to talk about how Jake
Mayor struggled this season, I think there's

936
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.840
no team in the league that has
a bigger drop off between their number one

937
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.599
and number two quarterback. Like who
even is the backup quarterback for the Calgary

938
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.679
Stampeders. It's Tommy Stevens, but
he wouldn't be getting a start if Jake

939
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.440
Mayor ever went down. But luckily
that didn't happen for the Stampeders this season.

940
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.280
We didn't have to watch whoever they
had a backup quarterback this year,

941
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.440
But I would bring in a legitimate
backup quarterback. Maybe a Matthew Shultz type

942
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.840
would be good for them. But
at the end of the day, I

943
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.920
would give Jake Mayor another year.
Development in this league at quarterback is rarely

944
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000
linear. I think when you look
at the great quarterbacks in this league,

945
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:05.480
you know it takes time to really
develop into those guys. And you know,

946
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.119
maybe if they move on from Jake
Mayor, this is another like Dane

947
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:12.960
Evans situation where Congree is not any
better next year if they bring in another

948
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.480
guy. So I think at the
end of the day, I would ride

949
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.760
with Jake Mayor and make some tweaks
to the roster. Yeah, right,

950
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:21.679
Mayor was the only one that started
every game this season, right that we

951
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:23.679
started for all that. So yeah, we'll see. Should be excited.

952
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:27.760
We'll start rounding down here before we
get out. I want to make sure

953
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.519
we talk so this and Evan can
chime in as much as he wants to

954
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:36.440
or not, but this is this
is read here talking now. Thrice credentialed

955
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:39.800
CFL reporter here coming in a CFL
accounts, so doesn't follow me on Twitter.

956
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:45.440
That's okay. The CFL Plus experience, I would love anybody involved in

957
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.840
the league office to have a converse
It doesn't have to be with me,

958
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:53.920
have a conversation with any Americans at
all that are watching any not just American,

959
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.519
but any any non Canadian watching your
product on CFL Plus in the off

960
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.760
season. Because it's truly around this
experience, with the no on demand,

961
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.920
you have to do it live.
And then this weekend, not only do

962
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:07.599
you know, we don't get the
ads, so you get like kind of

963
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:12.519
this black and white Canadian football footage
and we get this trap hip hop,

964
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.719
you know whatever music. But then
this weekend they felt the need to air

965
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.880
the Gray Cup Hamilton commercial, which
is really cool and like I showed you

966
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.239
to Dorothy and she's like, oh
that stand. I'm like, but they've

967
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:27.519
played it every single commercial break the
entire you know, in spoiler alert,

968
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.239
Like, the CFL has a lot
of commercial breaks, right, and it

969
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:36.679
kills me where if I'm watching CFL
Plus, if I'm watching the playoffs on

970
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.599
CFL Plus, I am not the
target demographic for this anyway. I know

971
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.920
what the gray Cup is. I
know it's going to Hamilton if I'm watching

972
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.760
the CFL plus on that, but
it's such just a wasted opportunity and just

973
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:51.440
a lazy like at least go back
to the trap music. But just to

974
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.559
have it be like a repetition by
one thousand just nice in my skull.

975
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:59.440
But I just to me, there's
a better use of whatever this platform is.

976
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:01.599
There's easy ways to tweak it that
would take a little bit of work,

977
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.119
having the on demand be able to
pull the games up that way,

978
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.639
be able to pause the game.
I don't understand why we can't put the

979
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.360
TSN broadcast up afterward and just be
able to kind of scrub through it like

980
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:16.000
you can on the TSM website in
Canada. I had just Chanser's rights involved

981
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:19.679
with all that and ads and everything
else. But very frustrating, Evan,

982
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.760
Do you have anything else to add? I mean, it definitely needs some

983
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:24.159
work right now. Now. I'm
very grateful. I mean, look,

984
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.599
I can sit here and complain about
you know, repetitive Gray Cup ads and

985
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.679
a hip hop song that's stuck in
my head and the same gray footage or

986
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.760
whatever. But to be honest,
man, I'm just really happy that they

987
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:38.519
even took the initiative to have that
platform, you know, in the first

988
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.639
place, because, you know,
if you're trying to grow the game,

989
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.840
especially amongst you know, maybe the
American people, considering you know, how

990
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:50.480
many American players they have up there. You I'm not going to get into

991
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.079
that debate, but you know,
I think it's really important to make it

992
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.039
easily accessible, and they have done
that, you know, through CFL Plus

993
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.360
being able to just pull up a
website and obviously not all the gas are

994
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.920
available. Well in the first half
of the season. It's interesting because they

995
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.679
had a lot more games on you
know, CBS Sports with that new partnership,

996
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:13.800
obviously switching over from ESPN, but
you noticed that when the college football

997
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.480
season started, obviously that takes priority
for CBS Sports and a lot of those

998
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.679
slots are filled. So really every
game, it feels like for the past,

999
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.079
you know, or the last third
of the season, I feel like

1000
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:27.159
was on CFL Plus and a lot
more people were probably using it. So

1001
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.079
it definitely needs some work. I
you know, I didn't mind all the

1002
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.559
you know, little things too much. I don't really pay attention to that.

1003
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.239
I don't worry as much about on
demand, like maybe you do read,

1004
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:38.159
It's not as big of a deal
for me. Like, if I

1005
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:42.320
know the game's on, I'm just
gonna set aside the time for the game.

1006
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:45.159
And I'm not really somebody to go
back and rewatch too much unless it's

1007
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.239
highlights. But I think the one
thing that I'd really like to see him

1008
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.559
do you know. Obviously we're sitting
here talking about you know, ad space

1009
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.800
and repetitiveness. I think, you
know, with that time in between,

1010
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.880
you know, well, what would
be a commercial break on the TSM bro

1011
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.239
podcast. But obviously CFL plus it's
just that same song plan over and over

1012
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:07.559
again. I think it would be
really cool to see, like and I

1013
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.519
brought this up in our chat,
but you know, just like I mean

1014
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.599
the CFL, you know, they
have some great content creators, you know,

1015
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.000
I mean they've done some cool things, you know with video production and

1016
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:21.000
you know, following player stories and
it's become you know, some of the

1017
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.159
stuff they're doing there is very professional. You could argue that it's better quality

1018
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:28.199
than you know, some of the
uh, you know league like the other

1019
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.519
pro leagues XFL, USFL here in
the United States. And I'm not going

1020
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.800
to make this a big media war, but who has the better YouTube account?

1021
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.679
But my point being, you know, it would be really cool to

1022
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:39.239
see, like, you know,
maybe they kind of throw in some clips

1023
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.960
about you know, certain players or
some things from their YouTube. Maybe you

1024
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.280
could, you know, advertise,
like I mean, if you you think

1025
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.960
that CFL plus, like that's a
US and international audience. So obviously you're

1026
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.320
not going to be advertising like,
hey, like you know, this is

1027
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.599
gonna be at the game on Sunday, because that's not really your projected your

1028
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.480
projected audience. But maybe if you
were saying, like, hey, you

1029
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.320
know, here's what you should look
for for the game next week. Obviously

1030
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.199
it's not a broadcast from a specific
team, so I don't know how you

1031
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.480
work around that. Maybe you just
kind of get like a general CFL person

1032
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.519
to break down the games or whatever. But there's there's a lot that you

1033
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.199
can do there. I mean there's
a lot, certainly a lot more than

1034
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.159
listening to the same soundtrack over and
over again. That's been you know,

1035
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.320
ingrained into my head, you know, throughout the season. So you know,

1036
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.000
we'll see. Do I expect that
to happen? I don't know,

1037
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.079
I mean, are they really willing
to put that much time into the CFL

1038
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.760
plus product, you know, which
is really just a couple of games you

1039
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.800
know, here and there that are
available to watch, and there's not many

1040
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:36.599
futures. I don't know. I
mean, the fact that the games are

1041
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.280
there already, at least to me, kind of feels like enough and maybe

1042
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:42.840
to them feels like enough also.
But you know, again, there's a

1043
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.559
lot you could work with there,
and you know, hopefully they make an

1044
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.239
attempt to do something with it.
Yeah. My last thing is just it's

1045
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.159
clear to me a that no one
in the CFL office uses CFL Plus and

1046
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:55.320
all the access any of this,
which is fine, but like it just

1047
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.320
so you know, you come out
and you say words and you know,

1048
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.639
I had ran me on the show
and well this is a great service.

1049
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:07.519
And then it's like I can tell
that you're not using this because you know,

1050
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:09.400
the little things that would change and
make the user experience better. But

1051
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.159
it also says to me, there's
probably not a lot of people accessing this

1052
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.159
because I have to imagine they have
access to the analytics involved in this and

1053
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.719
kind of know, like, you
know, are we getting five thousand people

1054
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.480
a week while I don't know what
the numbers are, but I have to

1055
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.599
imagine it's not as super high,
even though it's free and even though it's

1056
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.159
easily access Jay said, any thoughts
on this before we get out. I

1057
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.239
know this is a little bit of
American complaining, but anything else. Yeah,

1058
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.199
I mean, I'm hopeful that this
because it was the first year that

1059
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.840
they had CFL Plus there in the
United States. I'm hopeful that they can

1060
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:45.800
add more features as the years go
on here and we'll see a much improved

1061
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:47.679
product next season. I would like
to see them do something that you could

1062
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.199
actually subscribe to, and something that
like even if you had to pay for

1063
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:54.519
it to get like the games on
demand and you know, get all these

1064
01:02:54.760 --> 01:03:00.840
past the games from like previous seasons. I'd like to see that because almost

1065
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.119
every professional sports league kind of has
a streaming service like that. I'd even

1066
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.920
like to see that up here in
Canada. But like you said, rights

1067
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.920
issues kind of coming to play with
that. But yeah, I'm hopeful that

1068
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:14.840
the changes we made in the future
to CFL Plus. You know. There

1069
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.000
you go, as we say when
we talk the x usbl stuff like hope

1070
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.480
in one hand and you can poop
in the other and we'll see which one,

1071
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.320
which one fills them first. No, but I mean, well this

1072
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.800
was fun. Well, like I
said, depending XML USFL stuff this week,

1073
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.280
this's gonna be the previews show.
Otherwise we'll do our big recap next

1074
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:35.440
week and then, like I said, a big show there on. It's

1075
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.920
going to be live on the Saturday
before, so we'll be live the Saturday

1076
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:43.239
before, live on the eighteenth,
and then you can enjoy the Great Cup

1077
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.719
preview show. It usually spikes in
on Sunday, but we'll record that.

1078
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:50.320
Probably going to be new local time
if we're going with the anchor bar.

1079
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.559
Otherwise we'll figure out. But I'll
post all that stuff Evan anything else from

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01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:59.599
you, awesome, Thanks guys.
We'll see everyone next week if you're subscribing

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01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:01.000
all day, but we'll see you
guys next time. Next