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A question was 31 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:50,479 sent into me asking me to explain a calculation for ranges and without you know, 32 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:57,919 I think I've done enough videos in training about ranges in self and how 33 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960 you calculate them. That it makes it kind of hard to kind of convey 34 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:06,240 that and a podcast without physically seeing it. So over on fast Tracks Tube 35 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,759 we have a part one and part two series that's based on range calculations that 36 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,960 you can watch there. But one thing that I noticed in the question that 37 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:19,840 I want to really talk about today is they said, Paul, I get 38 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,360 how you do it. If I have three ranges and one of them is 39 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,639 five kW. One of those three, let's say five kws, six kW 40 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,319 and eight kW. Well, of course all of those are going to fall 41 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,879 under column B, and Note three says you can compare B to C because 42 00:03:40,039 --> 00:03:44,919 C you could take the three and it's simply would be the value from column 43 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:50,120 C. Remembering that column A and B in Table two twenty fifty five are 44 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:57,080 actually percentages, whereas column C is actually the demand factor, the demand value, 45 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:02,960 right, the maximum demand itself. Okay, So it can get confusing, 46 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,199 for example, when you're applying the different notes, and when you can 47 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,960 apply the notes, and what happens if you happen to have a situation where 48 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,319 they fall under column B and column C. Now, always remember that the 49 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,759 notes say that you can use column C or is to be used. Column 50 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:30,360 C is to be used in all cases except where note three comes into play. 51 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:34,000 So note one in note two are just dealing it when you have ranges 52 00:04:34,079 --> 00:04:41,279 that are over twelve that are either all the same or unequal of ratings. 53 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,600 Okay, that's pretty straightforward. You're still using column C, but you're applying 54 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:48,680 the notes, and it talks about again how you do that. I think 55 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,720 what becomes more confusing for people, and it's not going to be so much 56 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:57,120 a real world environment, because I'm gonna be honest with you, when you 57 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,000 have a multifamily dwelling things like that typically going to use the optional method anyway, 58 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,680 so you're not going to be using table two twenty to fifty five. 59 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,319 But for an exam, this is where people get confused because in an exam, 60 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,600 you never know what kind of crap they're going to throw at you, 61 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,199 and in this case, for those that are taking an exam, you might 62 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,639 get some wonky question. I doubt it that you'll get it the way I'm 63 00:05:18,639 --> 00:05:21,360 getting ready to present it, but if you did, you might get one 64 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:26,680 who says, well, I have a nine kW range and I have a 65 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:32,240 five kW range and a six kW range, right, And you're thinking, 66 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,639 okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute. So in all cases, 67 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:44,519 you're going to use column C to establish your kW first. So that's three 68 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:50,680 cooking appliances, three different ranges, right. So in that scenario you left 69 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,399 column you just simply go down to three and you go all the way to 70 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,839 the right. That's column C. That's your demand and kW and that would 71 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:04,720 be fourteen k aw right. Makes sense? But you one people, Sometimes 72 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:09,439 people forget and this is where I think it gets controversial, and some people 73 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,600 will agree and disagree here. But some people believe that if it all doesn't 74 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:18,240 follow perfectly under column C, then you just have to throw the baby out 75 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,000 with the bathwater. I don't believe that's the intent of it. Now. 76 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,199 The side effect of that is it could end up being something kind of wonky. 77 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 And I'll show you this and just an example that we just did. 78 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,680 But also a nine, a five, and a six kW range all together, 79 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:40,240 okay. And this is for the service or feeder load calculation, by 80 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,680 the way, right, not a brand CERCA. Okay. So if the 81 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,240 three appliances and you were to take the and you use column C, which 82 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:55,040 is what you use unless note three is applicable, then it would be fourteen 83 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:59,639 kW. Right for a nine, A six, and a five makes sense, 84 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:01,600 that's just go to fourteen wambam, thank you, ma'am, and be 85 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:09,160 done. However, no three does come into play for two of these ranges, 86 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:14,360 not all three. So there are people that believe at this point that 87 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:18,079 you just can't use the column B, that you just have to stick with 88 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,160 the column C, and then that's just fourteen, is it. I don't 89 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,920 believe that is the case for me. I believe that you can split these 90 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,120 up. And I'm sure some other people will say I'm wrong. But again, 91 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,839 if you go looking on the internet, you go looking around, you're 92 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:40,319 gonna see it's a taboo topic. No videos, no discussions, nobody wants 93 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,079 to talk about it. And so I'm going to talk about it. So 94 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:49,560 obviously we know that fourteen kW can be used. That one's easy because none 95 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:56,920 of those exceed twelve. You with me, So the question is can I 96 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:03,720 break this calculation up and do the two ranges that fall under column B and 97 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,360 do separately for columns C and then add the totals together. And I believe 98 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:16,600 you can. I believe that not all of them fall nicely under note three, 99 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,279 and the ones that don't have to use C and the ones that do 100 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,600 fall under note three. And for those that want to know what Note three 101 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:31,319 is, that is over one and three quarter kW through eight and three quarter 102 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,279 kW, so through means including eight and three quarter okay, whereas Note two 103 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:43,200 is over eight and three quarter. And so I think what happens here is 104 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,600 that you have no choice but to separate these out. The code is not 105 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,480 clear to say, hey, you know what he if it all doesn't fall 106 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,919 nicely under the neat little package of column C, then you just got to 107 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,600 you just gotta go with column C and screw all these other abilities to use 108 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,639 these demain that's not what I see when I read it. Now. If 109 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,000 that's what they mean, then the code panel needs to clarify that. And 110 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,200 I've never, to be honest with you, I've never sent in a public 111 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:16,360 input on this because typically it's not going to be this albatross that we're talking 112 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:20,480 about. Usually, if you look at videos and training and books and everything, 113 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:26,399 it all falls nice and neatly in though all of the ranges, if 114 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,559 you have multiple ranges, they're all over eight and three quarter. And then 115 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,279 it makes it easy, right, because you just do it. And if 116 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,960 you happen to have any that are over twelve and they're unequal ratings, then 117 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,759 you use Note two, and any of them that is less than twelve, 118 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,559 you just make twelve. So if it was a nine, a ten, 119 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,279 or eleven, you just make it a twelve, and you just do your 120 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,320 math. You get an average. Once you get that average, and once 121 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,919 that average, you want to see how many that exceeds twelve, and it's 122 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:58,120 five percent for every kW that exceeds twelve. If you don't understand what I'm 123 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,799 saying there, because it is a podcast, make sure you go to fasttrackstube 124 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:09,120 dot com. That's fast tracks Tube fas t t R a x tub and 125 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,639 we have videos over there that talk about range calculations. It's a part one 126 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,799 and a part two and it explains it in extreme detail. But me, 127 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,639 like everybody else, I explain the the easy to understand aspects of that. 128 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:28,200 That the straightforward stuff. But I think what we don't talk about is what 129 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:35,440 happens if not everything fits nicely under column C, but the other ranges are 130 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:41,639 applicable to Note three. Can you separate it or does it all have to 131 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,000 be under and I don't think that they're in my opinion. And again, 132 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,840 you know you can. You'll have people out there to say Paul is stupid, 133 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:52,039 whatever, he doesn't get it, whatever. But I haven't seen your 134 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,080 videos, I haven't seen your articles. I haven't seen you teaching it. 135 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:03,519 When you do have two that are under eight and three quarter, let's say, 136 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,799 and then you have one range that is over eight and three quarter, 137 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:09,240 and how you would apply that? Now, I do see an example in 138 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:13,679 the handbook, and I believe the example in the handbook is wrong because in 139 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,639 the handbook it says that you use note two and you take any that are 140 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:24,200 rated eight kW and you make them twelve. If you go back and look 141 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:31,480 at the public inputs or at this point it was rops back in eighty four, 142 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:37,159 you'll see that this was tried to get to explained a little bit by 143 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,559 Tom Henry in a submission and it ended up being rejected. And the code 144 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:48,519 panel made it clear that No. Two does not apply to any range unless 145 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,559 it's over eight and three quarter. And that's what the code panel said. 146 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,639 So in the example in the handbook under two twenty point to fifty five, 147 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,399 or the example in link says that you take that eight kW and you make 148 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,799 it a twelve. I don't believe you can do that personally, because it's 149 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:11,759 not eight over eight and three quarter. So that's why I think that's an 150 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:16,720 error in the handbook. It's an error in my opinion in link because the 151 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:22,679 charging statement for Note two is that it only is applicable if it is over 152 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:30,879 eight and three quarter through twenty seven. Okay, So I think that you're 153 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,720 forced to have to split these up. You're still going to compare them to 154 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,279 C because we already know fourteen thousand and C is the value. That we 155 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,000 could just take all three of them and go all the way to column C. 156 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:45,919 That's acceptable. But I think you able to split these up. And 157 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 so how would this look. Well, that one range, that's the nine 158 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,879 kW, using column C for that one because the charge says you use column 159 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,399 C all the time unless Note three applies. Well, Note three doesn't apply 160 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,039 to that one. So it would be eight kW for that one nine kWh 161 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,240 right, because again it's one appliance. Column C says eight kW can be 162 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,919 used. Remember, folks, if it is a nine kW range, it 163 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,080 still would only use eight thousand in the calculation if it was a ten, 164 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,559 eleven or even a twelve, you're still only going to use eight kW for 165 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,639 the single range. It's important that you understand that concept when it comes to 166 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:31,080 service and feeder calculations. Now, looking at the information, if we were 167 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,399 to do this and dissect it out, let's see what the difference would be. 168 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:39,039 So we know fourteen kW is our base for the three because none of 169 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,840 those exceed twelve. Okay, so we're in column C. No notes are 170 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:46,720 necessary, don't need to hit any notes for that type of thing, all 171 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:50,600 right. So in this case, what if we draw back in the two 172 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:56,360 appliances that fall under column B. So we're separating it out. We're using 173 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:03,480 note three, and we have two appliances and the multiplier here the percentage is 174 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,360 sixty five percent. So you take the nameplate, so it's six thousand member 175 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:11,600 in our example, six thousand plus five thousand, and in case you forgot, 176 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,679 we said, what do you got when you've got a six thousand, 177 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:20,720 a five thousand, and a nine thousand kW s ranges here? What do 178 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:26,039 you do? Okay? So that's eleven thousand, and we could take that 179 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:33,559 times sixty five percent and that's seven thousand one hundred and fifty and then and 180 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:39,840 that's using column B. And then I to me at that point, now, 181 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:43,759 I would add the value from column C to that value, right, 182 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,200 and that would be the eight. So I would take the seventy one fifty 183 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:54,039 plus eight, and that is fifteen thousand, one hundred and fifty. So 184 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,240 column C, by using the three appliance is yields the best result that's fourteen 185 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:00,879 thousand, So that's what I would use. I would use column C in 186 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:07,559 that case. So I think that what happens here is you know, and 187 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,480 at the end of the day, it's probably in the real world not going 188 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,759 to make much of a difference. Okay, a little bit here or there 189 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:18,120 for the service count, but it's not going to be dramatically devastating to your 190 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:22,120 load calculation. Hell, half of the people out there probably aren't doing load 191 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,759 calculations anyway. They're just looking at it and going two hundred AMP, one 192 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,360 hundred and fifty AMP, one hundred AMP, four hundred AMP, and they're 193 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,480 just doing it, and so there's a lot of headroom there. But I 194 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:37,279 think that it's important for me when I'm trying to talk about things that people 195 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,759 won't talk about it is, okay, I've got three ranges and they don't 196 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:46,720 all fit nice and neatly in any one column. Now, obviously, again 197 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,639 I can use C, because as long as none of them are over twelve, 198 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,080 then I can just pull the kW demand from column C. And that's 199 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,480 where we got the fourteen. But in my case it falls in multiple columns, 200 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,600 and so the one falls in C because it's not over twelve, and 201 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,320 the other one falls in column B. I have. I'm permitted to use 202 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:15,519 column B by Note three, So I'm going to apply it to Note three, 203 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,240 okay, And I think that the foundation for this is really if you 204 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,600 go look at Note three, it says, you know what, you can 205 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:29,840 do column A separately, column B separately and add them together, and that's 206 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,080 okay. So I think here the same logic would be that I can do 207 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:37,519 the column whatever it is, and then if there's a range that falls outside 208 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:42,480 of column A or B that's actually falls under C, then I'm going to 209 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,759 use column C and then and again for one range of the eight thousand and 210 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,320 so I add that to the value I get from column B, and I 211 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:56,240 think that's that option, and in this case that exceeds the fourteen. So 212 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,960 I'm going to go with column C because that's the best value, that's the 213 00:17:02,039 --> 00:17:06,480 lowest value would that would be able to utilize. So I mean, I 214 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:08,960 fully understand that there'll be some people that say, no, no, no, 215 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,039 you have to go In all cases, you have to go with column 216 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:18,759 C because it's not perfect. All of them don't fall outside of column A 217 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,759 or B, and of course none of them exceeded twelve, so you always 218 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:27,039 know that column C has to be used, but it tells you that you're 219 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:33,640 permitted to use Note three. I don't see anything in here that says all 220 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:37,799 of them have to fall under Note three. I don't see any of that. 221 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,039 And so if somebody thinks that's what you do, then I encourage them 222 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:48,480 to submit a change to the Nationalogical Code. And if you didn't do it 223 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:52,799 for the twenty twenty six, that boat is sailed. But at the end 224 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,279 of the day, I really don't see the harm either way. I'm gonna 225 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,960 I'm able to apply some demands. In this case, C was better than 226 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,200 taking the values in B and adding them to the values in C. Right, 227 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,440 So again I think it works out. And again I fully understand that 228 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,119 some people will say nope, nope, nope. You never can intermix column 229 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,079 B with column C and all that kind of stuff. And personally I disagree. 230 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,480 I think that you're forced to do that because I don't know how you 231 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,039 because you know in the handbook, which adds to the problem. Again, 232 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,440 I'll reiterate. If you go look at the handbook, it says that when 233 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,720 you had these multiple ranges, it says that any of them that are less 234 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,160 than twelve that you take at twelve. But you can't get there. And 235 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,559 remember I told you the public input from nineteen eighty four that Tom Henry submitted, 236 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:53,880 and the code panel responded with a simple answer. It says, Note 237 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,160 two is not applicable to any range that is less than eight and three quarter. 238 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:06,759 Don't there any range that is not over well, yeah, any any 239 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:10,839 range that is eight and three quarter or less, it doesn't apply. You 240 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,519 can't use No. Two. It's got to be over eight and three quarter 241 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:18,880 through twenty seven kW. So then they made it really clear. So I 242 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,559 don't know that there's any other way that you can you can apply this, 243 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,680 to be honest with you, Now, in the real world, it's probably 244 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,079 again never going to be an issue, probably never going to come up. 245 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,799 I think multi multi family dwellings are probably all going to have the same size 246 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:40,119 range anyway, so you know, it's probably a moot point. But I 247 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,640 think for exams you just have to be aware of it, and because you 248 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,559 never know what could appear on an exam, and there's a good chance at 249 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,440 the people that submitted it to the exam or that helped write the question don't 250 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:59,160 understand it either. But again, I don't see anything that says that I, 251 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,240 as long as note three is applicable to any of the ranges, I 252 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,519 see nothing that says that I can't apply that. Whether somebody feels personally or 253 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:15,799 strongly otherwise, then I encourage you to email me and explain your position to 254 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:21,920 me, help me understand why I could not split these loads up. And 255 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:29,000 my email address is support s U P P O R T at fasttracksystem dot 256 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,440 com. That's a A S T T R A X S Y S T 257 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:37,920 E M dot com. I'm not interested in your opinion, okay, because 258 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,240 your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is my opinion. But if you 259 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,480 have some kind of data to back it up to say that you can't, 260 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,359 don't send me no crap that says, well, Paul, it's logical you 261 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,319 can't because they aught to I don't want to hear it. You're going to 262 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,079 have to justify it to me. Otherwise it's just conjecture and it doesn't do 263 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,839 any good for me. All Right. I want to learn like everybody else, 264 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,680 and I see nothing in here that says that that I cannot that I 265 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:11,519 can't apply Note three to any of the ranges that would be applicable to Note 266 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:14,880 three, and those that are not, I continue to use, like what 267 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,599 the code says, I use column see for that, and that's how I 268 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,599 would do it. All right, folks, Hopefully that explains it to you, 269 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,880 at least my position on it, because there has been recently people asking 270 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,519 about that, and I just wanted to give you my opinion on that based 271 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:34,880 on what I read to twenty dot fifty five. Now, again, in 272 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,599 real life, you're going to use the optional method, and at that point 273 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:42,440 you're just going to take name plates from everything and you're going to get the 274 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:47,759 values from the name plates. And at the end of the day, it's 275 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,920 it's fairly simple because you're going to go to the what is it to twenty 276 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,400 dot eighty four, right, and when you go to to twenty dot eighty 277 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,759 four, then it's it's pretty straightforward just going to go to the number of 278 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,920 dwelling units. In this case, Let's say there was however many there was, 279 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:11,720 and you're going to see a percentage demand, and that's what you would 280 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:15,759 do for that, right, and that's going to be what your range contribution 281 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:19,960 would be for that. But typically you don't really use Table two twenty eight 282 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,200 four B until you've added everything up and then you go there. But that 283 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,400 doesn't stop you from if somebody asked you an optional method for a certain number 284 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:33,400 of ranges in a certain number of multi family dwellings dwelling units, that you 285 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,720 could also use this for three or more multifamily to come up with the range 286 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,440 contribution because you're simply just taking nameplate values for that, I mean, that's 287 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,880 what it tells you to do, right. So ultimately, yeah, hopefully 288 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,799 that answers any question you might have in my opinion on it. You can 289 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,000 agree to disagree until then, take care of stay safe, God bless, 290 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:26,799 and we'll see you in another episode. Let's ask Paul baskballthings nothings, nothing,