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Alone at Weirdingwaymedia dot com weird Welcome
back midnight viewers to Anthologies Attack, where

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we peer outside the horror genre to
experience anthologies and all their very glory and

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as always helping me share them midnight
view as my co host. He's yours

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too, Antonio lapoor Ola Padre Malone. Tonight is part two of our look

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at the anthology episodes of the groundbreaking
Batman, the animated series. Previously,

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we talked about season one's Almost Got
Him that featured five tales of Batman as

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told by the Rogues Gallery of Villains. This one's a little different. Three

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tales by entirely different narrators, and
the third tale is actually just their tale

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in the end, we are looking
at legends of the Dark Night. This

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originally aired on October the tenth,
nineteen ninety eight, written by Bob Goodman

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from a story by Goodman and Bruce
Ten. Although there are three previous Batman

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legends mentioned as the whole episode is
inspired by the works of Bill Finger,

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Dick Sprang, and Frank Miller was
also it was also directed by Dan Reeve.

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And it's kind of loosely based on
a seventies Batman comic, and that's

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about Bruce Wayne, and he takes
these kids camping, as billionaire philanthropists I

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guess, are known to do to
take random children camping, and they are

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all discussing, well, what do
you think Batman's like? In one little

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kid's well, I think Batman has
kind of like like Jim Brown, the

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famed movie star football player and who's
decked out of all these ten year and

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all this stuff. And the other
guy, well, I think Batman is

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more like kind of a vampire character, and I think Batman looks more like

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what you imagine Man batted. And
all of a sudden Batman shows up and

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they're like, dude, mister Wayne, where'd you get that cheap ass Batman

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costume and he's like, well,
it looks like Mike costume is only meant

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to frighten criminals and not the innocent, And then they go back to the

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roasting marshmallows. I kind of love
that though, waits showing Hey everybody,

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I'm Batman and nobody believed it.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a great

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it's a great. It was a
great classic. But this episode, I

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remember when it dropped, I'm thinking, I recommend it, but I love

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this episode. It's might be my
favorite of the whole series. Well,

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no, I love Robin's reckoning and
heart of ice in the original show,

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but if the new episodes his neat
for the main reason of just the varying

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art styles, the way you get
to see, you know, basically the

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two most influential kind of mini eras
of Batman, the classic Dick Sprang era

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from the fifties, where when you
think of old timey Batman, that's generally

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what people think of, giant typewriters, big smile on Batman's face. You

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know what the Adam West Show ultimately
was, I think came out of basically

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of that Dick Sprang art era,
which still Bill Finger was writing because Bill

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Finger wrote it from the original Detective
run and he wrote pretty much straight through

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up until the sixties, when then
he got, you know, forced out

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in favor of the younger hippie generation. Like everything else. You know,

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I've read I reread the Mankowitz script
from nineteen eighty three, his version of

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The Batman, and it was it
is one from the Bill Finger Dick Sprang

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era. He's just more serious in
it, but still he Mankawitz just unloads

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with the joker. The joker is
a joker in this thing. He is

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one liner machining. Yeah, the
entire script, and mank is really good

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at that. I mean he wrote
when he led he wrote Superman. Everybody

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old Mario Pooso's the script was awful. Mario Puoso basically wrote an episode of

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The Batman Show and getting four hundred
pages one hundred pages of it. And

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I remember this old documentary on a
Dick Donner was like, He's like,

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don't want to see Superman be made
a fool of That was his mantra in

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the movie. We're not making Superman
to be a fool in this movie.

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And Poozo, but poo Z those
deal being Boozo, you know, writing

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The Godfather. His deal was iron
plaid and mank was brought in as a

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creative consultant. But Tom maykowoins wrought
supermantent. And my two favorite James Bond

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movies, which one is did He
Right? Live and Let Die? Oh?

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Yeah, no shit? And The
Man with the Golden Gun. The

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Man with the Golden the best music
and like the most like because that disco

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hit with the Man with the Golden
Gun. And oh man, it's so

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good. It's Lulu is it Lulu? Oh in the British pop sensation.

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Yeah, absolutely, the craziest Christopher
Lescaramenga and of course Livin Lande is Paul

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mccar. The score of the picture
is the best James Bond score out of

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all of the films. You think, so that George Martin, This is

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George Martin. I was it John
Berry does on Her Majesty Secret Service?

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Was it John Barry? Yeah?
John Barry was still Yeah on a magoed

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Secret Service is pretty good because that
was got the you know, we've all

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the time in the world, the
Louis Armstones, but liv leed Die is

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just got the coolest music. It
is such a dated picture, and like

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the attitudes in it are ridiculous.
But you know, black folks, Sorry,

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James Bond movie, that's pretty in
nineteen seventy four, that's pretty progressive,

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even though they're the bad guys and
it's ridiculous, it's silly. Those

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faces are still on the screen and
they're breaking ground. And I gotta tell

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you, Scaramenga not Scaramenga, what's
his name in uh ros Anga? I

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guess that was the Anga phase of
Bond is really good. Oh my god,

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he's my favorite Bond villain. He
is so evil and he's so arrogant,

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and he's so ridiculous with that mister
big makeup, Like what the fuck

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was I Oh my god, I
love it. He's so crazy as a

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character and he's so fun and it's
yeafic codo for fuck's faith. Yeah,

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is a fucking Bond villain that nobody
The movie gets written off now because of

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all its problematicness. Yeah, and
you know you have a right to do

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that. But I think the spirit
of the thing was not racist. I

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think the spirit of the thing was
subversive. I think Mankowitz was like,

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let's stick at black people in everyone's
faces, and like, yes, they're

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the villains in this fucking piece,
but you know what, the every Bond

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movie previous was all white guys and
anyways, they're yeah, they're the villains,

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but you know, they're kind of
like anti imperialist villains to a certain

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degree. There's a certain sexiness to
their motivation to a certain movie like funck

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the White Man. Look, we're
from eighty or from more the hell they

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were san Monique, san Monique were
this you know, probably this British protectorate

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or have you that's gone through all
this horrible things. Look. For me,

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the more racist thing is that there
just aren't more black people in all

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the rest of the James Bond movies. I'm sorry that they're all villains here,

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but the sheer number of black faces
on screen in nineteen seventy three,

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yeah, YEAHU Look. The thing
is the parallels between Bond and batmanner sort

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of fucking and especially in the seventies, was a big thing for Denny O'Neill

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was to like kind of like Fond
was cool, and he's, well,

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let's make Batman a little bit cooler. So they added that kind of international

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player with rayshaw Ghoul and a lot
of that, and the legal assassins and

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doctor sins in a couple of these
international villains, yeah, doctor, yeah

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Man. And but for the most
part, you know that seventies Batman eventually

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got back to Gotham City, you
know, like with that that Terry Austin,

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Marshall Rogers art and I think Michael
Barber, I can't remember that side

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of the Joker thing that that era
kind of brought him back to Gotham,

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and Rayshawqull pops up every now and
then. Yeah, I've stayed in the

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previous episode. My feelings, Yeah, you don't like I mean, it's

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okay, I get it, but
I don't want to spend any time in

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that. I don't like to spend
too much time with him just a little

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bit. And I just want Batman
patrolling the rooftops of a gothic Gotham and

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like swooping down on villains and then
a villain coming to town and fucking shit

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up. That's all I need.
He I think it's dead. We got

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Danian out of it, and that's
fine as long as I guess. I'm

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a big Damien fan on this show. It was Tim Drake, but it

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was a mishmash of Tim Drake and
Jason Todd's origin or whatever. But I

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like this little kid Robin on this
show a lot too. So in the

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original initial run, in the initial
run of Batman, the animated series,

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that's Dick Grayce. Yeah, and
Dick's nineteen. He's away at college and

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that's why he's only in a handful
of episodes. So by the time we

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get to the New Adventures of Batman
or Batman's New Adventures, that's Tim Drake

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as Robin. And I know,
night Wing shows up, so we get

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Dick Grayson as well. Yeah,
we get night winged. And that was

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the first time night Wing had appeared
anywhere outside of comics. Have we skipped

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Jason tom Yeah, they skive Jason
Todd. They did it. I think

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they did a comic book follow up
to this season a couple of years ago,

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and you know, they wreck conned
Jason Todd and Red Hood in between

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the Tim Drake and that's flame Man. They just make a hannimated movie.

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Then this is Jason time. Now. You know what, no matter who

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Robin had been at that moment,
if it had been carry Kelly, she

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would have died. Yea. Everyone
wanted Robin to die. Everybody, but

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you know, and I know a
little off track, but the Robin that

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Jason Todd death of Robin, and
if you read interviews with some of the

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writers and editors and stuff like Danny
and you especially like that was kind of

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like his death kind of like organically
happened, almost like they had written this

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new character into the book and he
showed up. But he was a redheaded

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plone of Dick Grayson circus parents all
that, you know, the same origin

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killer Kroc had killed his parents or
something like that. And then within a

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year or two the crisis happened,
the one on Infinite Earths, the one

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on Infinite Earth, the same very
one. The comic book series that got

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me into comics just fascinated and just
like the amount of superheroes and that existed.

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I just knew there were seven guys
of the super Friends, and all

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of a sudden there was a thousand
superheroes. But anyways, that being said,

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they revamped everybody and rebooted comics.
Will be rebooting comics thirty years before,

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yeah, he fifty one hundred years. I think the first reboot was

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the Silver Age at DC. First
you had the Golden Age, you know,

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Buckethead Flash and Purple Cake, Green
Lantern, and then all of a

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sudden you got hal Jordan and Barry
Alice the first pin of reboot. And

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then in the eighties they rebooted again. They took their vast multi verses squeezed

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them into one. Everybody got a
new origin. Jason Town. Jason Todd

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was now a street orphan whose dad
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Batman met him after he was boosting
the wheels off the Batmobile. Tim Drake

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got that origin on the cartoon.
Oh okay, Tim Drake in the comic

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books was Bruce Wayne's neighbor and he
liked he was and he was a little

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boy at the circus when Dick Grayson's
parents died and he figured it out.

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And then when the whole baby the
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Yeah, he's known as the smart
he's the smartest Robin. Oh okay,

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Yeah, But on this show,
I like, I don't care,

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it doesn't matter. I like the
fact that there's like an eleven year old

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Robin on this show and it's really
neat. In this episode, we get

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Dick Grayson and Mary Kelly. Yeah, we got three robins text. Yeah,

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don't he's not tim episode. But
this episode is cool because, like

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I said, it's based on that
old comic from the seventies. I can't

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remember what it's called comic what the
original com fifth ky I got this when

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the movie came out, right before
when the movie on that time, this

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player had a man bat over Vegas
story in it. It's called so that

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it's based kind of loosely on the
on a Batman short story called The Batman

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Nobody Knows By written by Frank Robbins. Was like, I'm not too familiar

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with this work. Seventies comic author
probably and art by the famed Dit Giordango.

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Yeah, he is, like you, premiere inker in DC comics from

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the seventies, eighties and into the
nineties. And he was a pretty good

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penciler too. He did a lot
of Batman stuff stuff looks a little bit

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like Jimmy Parrow's as that kind of
traditional kind of looking Batman. And he

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was the publisher of the Editor in
Chief too. That's where I mainly knew

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him from. And then you know, obviously later what marvelous talent he was.

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He was just like this look Levable
guy looked like super Mario. Yeah,

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hey, they's other pictures of the
comic. So that's kind of loosely

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based on it. And as we
said a little earlier, you know sees

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Bruce Wayne takes these kids camping and
they all kind of give their idea of

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what Batman. But in this episode, it's a little more organic. It's

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a little more organic. It's three
little kids wandering around Gotham City and there

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and one of them looks like Kerry
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y K. I'm sure her story
is just her fantasy of Batman talking,

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well, what do you think Batman
play? And the first, you know,

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the first kid starts talking and he's
like, well, my uncle's a

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security guard at the bankers oh no, at the museum, and he saw

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Batman and Robin and he says,
Batman's really nice and he makes jokes and

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he does this and that and then
also and we all know that ba yes,

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because here it is yes and no
hear me. He's describing the Batman

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that if you know you're in our
neighborhood of age, the first Batman you

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ever saw was Adam weist and that
Adam West looks fun and all, you

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know, smiling and all stuff.
And like I said earlier, the Adam

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West Show took a lot from the
Dick Sprang art era of Batman. Yeah,

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not only did it sort of ape
the style just visually the way they

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sent decorated and the costumes and everything, but the animated opening sequence of Batman

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the Great Tease, Yes, that
was the animated opening sequence because I just

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wanted a cartoon to find that's the
exact style of art they're presenting to us

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here, as when we go into
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Sprang look. So you probably have
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haven't seen this episode, if you've
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so each of these stories, I
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because here we get the different flavors
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Yeah, but the voice is even
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who is the voice of the fifty
sixty. We've got your clue about

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stealing lefter, but comedy is finished. A famous line from Pallayachi the Opera

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got a sad clown and Michael McKean
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never wear my section. I'm much
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Jack Benny sounding jokers. They're like, oh, that sounds like Jack Benny.

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It's Jack Benny punched with something else. Yeah, Michael mckein's really good

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at bining voices and doing Have you
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it is the greatest Vincent price you
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gotta find that. But I thought
as soon as he started talking, I

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was like, oh, thank god, Michael McKean is. Yeah, he'll

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get exactly the tone that they're shooting
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whimsical Batman. They like, come
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little kid's voice. It's the same
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it. Yeah, I know it
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be a separate actor. Okay,
we'll have to we'll have to google that

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one. But it's got the giant
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in it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's the

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music means oh, it's the piano
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It's all like the daring do and
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from comics up until nineteen eighty five. Yeah, and just but the artist

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really pretty. Oh my god,
it's gorgeous. Look giveing that old joker

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with the smile that seems to be
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cheeks. Yeah, I love it. I love it. The that style

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kind of evolved into what a Batman
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which is a kid is you know, really aimed at seven year olds.

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first Batman and he loved it.
But I watched that show and that show

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Great Man. Yeah, it's like
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almost. That's another favorite voints there
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He's not. He's a different Yeah, the Hovers of Justice. So you

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are sick, like it's really good. But it's that kind of same Dick

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sprangy On style that you see in
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neat, little three minute short.
You know, it's just really cool.

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I like you a lot. I
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episode. There's the holiday one and
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three stories. It's like Harley and
Ivy with Bruce Wayne and I think something

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with the Joker on New Year's Eve, and then I think Clay something,

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Clay face or something. But this
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short stories. But there it's all. It's not as interesting as this one.

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This one has a really cool framing
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the kids in the imaginary space and
we get to see history, a little

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mini history. We get to see
a golden age Batman with the Dick Sprang

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look and the old kind of classic
Bill Finger dialogue, Come on, old

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chum, that type of stuff.
And like you said, Michael mckein's joker,

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what a great live action joker.
He would have been, Oh my

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god, I know he's so he's
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eyebrowns right like David Saint Hubbins era. Michael mc as the joke. If

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they had made the ink Witz script, Michael McKean would be the perfect joker.

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Is the joker like running from mayor
or somebody's or Thomas Wayne was at

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the In the opening, Thomas Wayne
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kill him, but he does it
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he's already the Joker. Oh,
he's like, there's no Yeah. His

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opening is like a shade being drawn
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darkness. So yeah, yeah,
he's the Joker. I read that.

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first existed. That was one of
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drew script rama or something like that. Oh man, and read that.

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Man, the transcripts drive me crazy. I don't need your transcript I can

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watch the movie. I can hear
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for the ants to say? Yeah, I want to see where it differs.

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I don't want to see the shooting
draft either. No, give me

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the fucking that the draft that they
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both have you know, backgrounds in
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how scripts work, and we've written
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movie and stuff. When a movie
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they have the script that they're gonna
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and then when the movie's done,
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make that into the script, so
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exactly what you see on screen,
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They shot the picture, and they
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if that was the script, and
they're like, you learned how a

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script's supposed to work and all that
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script actually is that you actually make
a movie. I go, I can

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tell you it's just the short film
I'm making. Now there's the script I

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got, and what the script that
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I always thought when they published those
shooting scripts that it should be printed on

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alternate the first the shoot, the
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could be printed on alternate pages so
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Like he was gonna say this,
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now he's saying this, but I
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Wars scripts, on the other hand, that I had as a kid that

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I got, you know, the
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the fucking scripts they made the movie
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of differences going on. They're longer, although you know, there's no like

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stuff like Blue five, but they're
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the scripts themselves were a little different. Yeah, and a lot of times

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mean, yeah, it's those books
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Now listen, the plot of the
fifties inspired sprang Finger number is totally

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irrelevant. It's just a little pop
confection. But I got to ask Antony

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when that one comes to an end
the first time you're watching it, I'm

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sure you were like me, when
is that? Carrie Kelly? Kept asking

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myself, did they just do I
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I don't know as soon as but
before that, oh, are we talking

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about the cameo? Yeah, they
run into another little kid who's like long,

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stringy white hair, and he's got
a boa wrapped around him and he's

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just feeling and he's just like,
hey, who's talking about Batman? I

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love Batman? All those muscles,
the tight rubber armor and that flashy car

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I heard it can drive up walls. Yes, sure, Joel, Hey,

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what happened to Cozy's the ARSONI hast
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fire. It was fabulous, clearly, Joel Schumacher. This is coming out

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in nineteen ninety eight, a few
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Forever, for all its terribleness,
is at least trying to be good some

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bulk because that opening scene with two
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my favorite part of the movie.
My favorite part of that film, which

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is almost redeems the movie, is
the you need hell parvey. Yeah.

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That exchange. Yes, Holy God. The familiarity between these lunatic yes was

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so real for me, like it
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And Tommy Jones' performance, which is
understated and subdued in that beginning scene when

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he's talking to the guy and he's
saying, we want to do this and

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we want to do that, I'm
like, you can almost forgive him for

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not being Billy Dy Williams, but
I can't forget. And I can't forget

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because the rest of the performance is
just it's just awful. It's just trying

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to compete with Jim Carrey and he's
just doing the joker. They're both just

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doing the Yeah, they're both just
doing the joker. And I thought that

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Tommy Y. Jones could not santion
his buffoonery. And he's worse. He's

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worse. I'm like, dude,
you have an oscar Why did you take

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this role? Why did why?
Why is this? Did nobody get Like

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we talked about this last time.
We were talking about the when they were

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coming up with the script for Batman
Returns. Why didn't he crack a comic

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book. Harvey Dent is a scary
motherfucker. He should have been a dark

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heart at the center of that movie. Here's just another cackling villain from the

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sixties. I don't think they've ever
gotten Harveydent quite right. In The Dark

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Night. It's pretty close, but
we get two seconds of it. We

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get two seconds of him, and
he doesn't evolve into two face. He's

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just fucked up. Harvey Dent getting
revenge and yeah, he's doing the coin

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and he's being you know, murderers
and stuff. But Harvey Dent's the district

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attorney who becomes a crime boss.
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that movie. It's all reacting.
Yeah, and I want to see what

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Harvey Dent does from the get go
on screen and you know, robbing the

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Second National Bank on the second of
February. Okay, that's pretty too facey

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as he can get. That opening
scene is great and even ends with the

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blink put or the helicopter with the
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into the Statue of Freedom. Okay, why the movie's still through the old

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movies, they all thought Gotham was
New York City for some reason or the

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other. It's always a most important
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no, it's New Jersey. Well, I think that we all thought that

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because I was one of them,
because the city of New York is often

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referred to as go. Well,
naturally it's an East Coast city. Blah

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blah blah. I've always liked the
idea that it's Chicago occupies the space of

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Chicago versus metropolis. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. I just don't

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like Gotham City being in the Midwest. Yeah, there's something about it being

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a landlocked that doesn't suit the back
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do not like the idea that it's
like San Francisco and Sacramento, that

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Gotham and Metropolis can see each other
with binoculars. Yeah, that was a

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weird thing that I that Zack Snyder
did among his many weird things, that

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was really weird. I like all
from convenience so on. Thing I did

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like is he made Metropolis a district
rather than a part of a state.

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But that's just in the minutia because
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better than the munus in the movie, but clearly there. Yeah, and

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it was like a Metropolis. It
was Metropolis MC, like the district of

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you know. Okay, that is
clever. I'll give him that DM Metropolis

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DM the district of Metropolis and Gotham
was something I don't know. But them

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being over the bay is stupid.
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Can't Superman protecting area just greater than
Metropolis, like when he's listening to

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what's happening in China at the theory
was America that Gotham is basically in New

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Jersey. All of the the everything
you find in Gotham, you find it

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in New Jersey to a certain degree, the refineries and such. Yeah,

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and the abandoned amusement miles and like
all the fuck up Atlantic City ship.

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That Atlantic City's a dump now,
isn't it. It's not like what you

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saw on TV in the eighties.
It's not like you know, so is

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the mythology. Then that there's Gotham, which is close to New York,

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which is close to Metropolis. Yeah, Metropolis is a mayor in the comic

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oh is it? Yeah? Okay, see with learning here stuff, And

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Gotham was New Jersey because New York
exists in the comet and in the DC

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Earth, new York is there.
That's where the Titans were based out of

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when I was a little kid and
stuff. But you know, geography is

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everything the DC comics. Earth is
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It would have to be, just
like it's something in the like in

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the multiverse, it's bigger than our
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or Earth zero or whatever the hell
is. Comic book launchic is the best

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kind of logic if you like that
kind of stuff, If you like to

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think that the multiverse and what you
exist in, check out anything Grant Morrison

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has done in DC in like the
last twenty years. He did a run

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with something called the Multiversity, which
is just insane. It's just this trip

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to the multiverse that makes the reader
part of the multiverse, so like you're

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engaging in this. He's all into
mysticism and stuff. But it's really interesting

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and I'm a big fan of his
Batman run. Everybody likes to take from

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Frank Miller, but my favorite Batman
run, aside from what I grew up

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on, my adult favor Grant Morrison
stuff is just cool because it's Grant Morrison's

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comics gets you everything. They give
you funny, they give you drugged out,

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they give you weird, they give
you hard boiled, they give you

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detective, they give you mystic they
give you international, they give you site

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Like he governs everything to him.
Batman's entire comic book run has been Batman's

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career, so he's had I may
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weird adventures in the sixties. He
had a weird adventure, you know,

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like his adventures are condensed into however
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something now, that's pretty cool.
But going back. Everyone nice to borrow

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with Frank Miller, because Frank Miller
did The Dark Knight Returns. And everybody

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loves Dark Knight Returns, especially the
creators of this episode clearly and how gay?

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How agog were you when I didn't
know this was coming? Yeah,

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how could any of us prey?
Yeah? And we eventually and we eventually

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got a movie based on it.
But this was the first time he ever

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saw The Dark Knight Returns in motion, I guess, yeah, animated and

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of the style they gets so perfect. Yeah, it translates really well and

403
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.720
almost does it a little better than
the comic tit's to a certain degree.

404
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.839
Is it's just it's fluid, so
you know, the comic is real sketchy.

405
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.359
Klaus Jensen, you know, Frank
Miller does a pencils, but Klaus

406
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.720
Jensen never gets the credit for the
art on that and that. Have you've

407
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.759
seen Klars Jensen pencil is owning.
Think his own pencils looks like The Dark

408
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.640
Knight Returns. His art looks more
like The Dark Knight Returns than Frank Miller

409
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:42.319
does, almost to it to a
certain degree. But that's but nevertheless the

410
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:48.559
impact of that book is huge.
It's Yeah, it's monumental. Everybody borrows

411
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.799
from that comic. I mean,
clearly the biggest imitator was Zack Snyder,

412
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.519
who just lifted scenes whole sale.
Yeah, and just showing once again that

413
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.319
he had no actual understanding what any
of those scenes meant and their importance,

414
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.640
and he just got the mythic part
of it and the badassory of it.

415
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:07.599
And I'm just gonna before going off
on another battangent. And I like a

416
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.759
lot of the visual stuff that he
does, and I like the longer version

417
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.759
of Batman v. Superman. Agreed, it's a better film, and I

418
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.359
like seeing the characters, but I
can't think gets some fucked up too,

419
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:23.000
his angry Superman and murdery Batman.
And had they just taken some time away

420
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.720
from slow motion and spent a scene
or two explaining why Batman is satur and

421
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.279
he sees a Robin costume. Because
he explained that a little bit, you'd

422
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.160
understand why Batman is not branding people
in kind of murdery. Because the whole

423
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.119
point of The Dark Knight Returns is
Batman quits because Jason Todd get killed by

424
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.119
the Joker, which ultimately ended up
happening in the comics. Yeah, that

425
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.400
was appreciant of the book, right, And that happened because well, the

426
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.559
Dark Night Reterns existed and they had
written themselves into a corner. In that

427
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.079
reboot of After the Crisis, Jason
Todd is just a really obnoxious little character

428
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.839
and he just kind of got to
a point that he was gonna get himself

429
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.680
killed regardless. And they made it
a choice to the fans to call in

430
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.680
a nine hundred number and the fans
and I couldn't do it. I wasn't

431
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.960
gonna ask my mom to let me
call a nine hundred number to vote to

432
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.480
see if Robin now would have got
Robin Linder died and I was sad because

433
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.960
I wanted him to live, because
was he a dead Robin? You could

434
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.000
have counted No, it was not
going to but it had That explained how

435
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.839
broken up Bruce Wayne was after losing
a Robin that he had to retire,

436
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.759
and when he came back, it
was so bad that he had evolved into

437
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:37.000
a neater. Batman might have played
a little better, but he wasn't adapted

438
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:38.519
to the Dark Knight returns. He
was doing whatever the fuck he was doing.

439
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.279
And this show does it a little
better. This show condenses the Newtant

440
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.759
fight down into a five minute sequence
with Kerry Kelly, you know, and

441
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.720
just hits the highlights and gets the
artwork so good. But the best thing,

442
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:59.480
it is the best, the coolest
non Kevin Conroy Batman ever in Michael

443
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:05.799
irons Yeah, that voice coming out
of that Batman. I don't understand why

444
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.039
they didn't cast him when they did
the animated movie a few years ago.

445
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.960
Peter Weller was great in it,
but they would Liar's side is still kicking

446
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.079
and still sounds like that. He
plays dark Side on Justice League and Superman

447
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.240
and is the best. He is
the best, but as his Batman.

448
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.200
When I heard Peter Weller's version of
this version of Batman, the Dark Knight

449
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:30.119
Returns because there's a two part animated
film of the Dark Knight, and I

450
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:35.799
thought, oh man, he's so
good. This is almost a perfect older

451
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.599
Batman. Yeah, and then I
heard Michael ironsides for five minutes and thought

452
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.720
this effortlessly doing what Weller was trying
to get at. Yeah, and nothing

453
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.440
against Peter Weller, I mean,
he's just being Peter Weller being Batman.

454
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:52.279
But Michael Ironstein's voice just for that
version of Batman older meanher, but like

455
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:59.839
he not only gets that sort of
gravelly anger behind the bat but here's a

456
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.599
line from the comic that I always
liked but could never hear correctly in my

457
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.599
head, which was rubber bullets.
Honest. Now in the comic he's talking

458
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.160
to us. Yeah, it's part
of the voiceover which the two part animated

459
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.319
movie, which I think is wint
but it's not a one hundred percent accent

460
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.960
because it doesn't have the fucking voiceover
in it, and the voiceover is what

461
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.599
makes the Dark Knight returns almost.
That's why I actually don't recommend the aimated

462
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.039
film because the I mean, maybe
you can enjoy it without that, but

463
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.480
to me, it was so integral
to that book. Yeah, made us

464
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:36.559
all look at Batman in a different
light and they understand him much better.

465
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.240
Because the best Batman movie, my
favorite Batman movie is Batman. Your one

466
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.960
is the animated one, because it's
literally that comic book, and like he

467
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.720
looks like the comic book, it
sounds like that comic book. It has

468
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.680
plucking a Walter White playing commercial Gordon
and he's amazing in it, and it's

469
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.519
got even what's his name? The
guy who played young Commissioner Gordon On Bryan

470
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.400
Bryan Cranston was in it. Yeah, Brian Kanison place commision order. But

471
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.519
the guy who plays young Jim Wardon
on Gotham, Oh, Ben McKenzie,

472
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.599
Ben McKenzie great, Oh he was
really Yeah, that was a weird one.

473
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.760
And it's got the voiceover in it. And the fact that it's got

474
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.559
the voice over in it, oh
cool. And I wish that animal Dark

475
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.480
Knight, So the animated Dark Night, we don't get the rubber that's honest

476
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.480
line at all, So I'm still
left hanging. And then Ironside just he's

477
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:28.440
they very smartly have Robin in the
batmobile with him. Yeah, that's a

478
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.760
change and a worthy change the good
Den's version of the story. And it's

479
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:37.039
funny because it works because then we
don't even need to hear the voice over.

480
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.000
He can just be talking to Robin
the entire time. It's a perfect

481
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.719
innovation. And like I said,
Ironstein's delivery of the line made made me

482
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:50.800
feel like, yeah, that's exactly
how it should sad rubber bullets, honest,

483
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:58.599
you can see that smile that Batman, the Batman, smart Batman.

484
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.920
There's something that's evolved over the years. You know, old fifties Batman would

485
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.159
smile and he was you know,
and Adam West was friendly. But now

486
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.400
when Batman spiles, it means Batman's
being really scary. And you can see

487
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.400
and there's something called the Batman smirk, and it's a subtle smile when Batman's

488
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.239
being naughty, like he's enjoying being
Batman. This is it. You can

489
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.840
see that. You can feel that
in his delivery. You can feel Michael

490
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.280
Irons like going rubber bullets, honest, like he's smirking when he says it.

491
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.840
And it's a brilliant delivery. My
other delivery is my favorite Life in

492
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.760
the Darklary Turn. You don't get
it, son, This isn't a trash

493
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:49.480
em it's an operating table. And
he not being effective with his voice,

494
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:54.679
was just talking matter of fact ly
telling this man what he's about to do

495
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.079
to him. It's so menacing and
it's so great and that more of yeah,

496
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.599
oh what a great thing. Kevin
Conroy is brilliant and he's the best

497
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.480
Batman out of all of them.
Whenever is who's the best Batman? Conroy

498
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:14.119
was the best Batman, but Michael
Michael Iron Ziffer, you get man thatad

499
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:19.440
voice. I feel that Hollywood never
understood the brilliance of Michael Ironside and we

500
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:24.880
were denied a string of awesome revenge
pictures and stuff starring him because you're right,

501
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.760
he could have been the badass villain
at the center of a film that

502
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.159
we will totally purchased him as a
hero. Yeah. All you get really

503
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.840
is, well, Paul Verhoven is
the only body who's like, oh,

504
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.800
yeah, this guy's fucking great,
you know, because I mean he steals

505
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.960
total Recall and he steals the Starship
Troopers. Absolutely. Do you want to

506
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.960
see him steal another movie? Oh
well, certainly that certainly scatters. But

507
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.360
there is a terrible sequel to Hylander
called Highlander. Yeah, so that movie's

508
00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.320
terrible, but he's so cool with
Yeah, one who understands what the actual

509
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.159
tone of that movie he was.
He's a great in that. And I

510
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.800
like what you're saying about that line, the operating table line, how casual

511
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.320
it's delivered, because that's how it
would be, and that really is terrifying.

512
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:14.920
Yeah. The other line is when
he gets out of the Batmobile and

513
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:24.760
I show you who rules got them
city? Okay, Son show me and

514
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.159
you know, he's older and he's
rotund, and he just looks like kind

515
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.480
of Santa. Can't clauss now without
the beard. But then he starts talking,

516
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.920
We're gonna have to start an iron
Side cast because suddenly the thought of

517
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.800
a world without on Michael Ironside is
very terrifying. Okay, and what else

518
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:46.079
does he steal? The gee that? And you guys ever saw the v

519
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.639
was his mini series that came out
in nineteen eighty four, was horrifying,

520
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.000
and it was about like aliens invading
Earth and but they come as your friends

521
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.800
and then there, you know,
there's a twist and they're very very Nazi

522
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.079
like and all that stuff. And
it was the coolest TV show a ten

523
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.000
year old or a nine year old
or eight year old, We're seen.

524
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.159
I was eleven. It was like
the War of the World's nineteen thirty nine

525
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.079
broadcast from Man. Yeah, it
was just the coolest. I had the

526
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.000
toy that I found like Robert England
is one of the visitors, Robert England,

527
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.719
and then that they had that hot
us is where I got my thing

528
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.920
for evil hot women because that Diana
or evil you know, head of the

529
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.480
alienss or whatever the hell she was
this sexy brunette cougar. Oh man,

530
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.960
did you see when they've remade it? Who they recast Brenda Barker, who's

531
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.480
in Gotham Man is the only good
thing about that show because she was so

532
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.840
fine. That other repin was awful. I did the Gotham TV show.

533
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.800
Oh, the Gotham TV show wasn't
great either. I liked the Gotham do

534
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.039
you really? Yeah, there are
elements of that. Look, there's a

535
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.119
lot of chaff in that weed,
Yeah there is. But I like the

536
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.199
performances of the Penguin and the Riddler
a lot. That and their sort of

537
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:02.119
homo erotic relationship. I liked that
really well handled. And I like Alfred

538
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.320
Alfred is great because John Pertwee,
We've never had a shitty Alfred. All

539
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.639
the Alfred's have been great, that's
true. Like even the guy in the

540
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.559
Cereal in nineteen forty eight was British. He was a butler. The guy

541
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:20.320
on the TV show Ellen Napier,
the from zimboelas junior on the cartoon Great

542
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.840
Michael Goff. I want Michael Goff
to make the sandwiches for the rest of

543
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.639
it. Yeah, that's the most
paternal of the Yeah, we got Michael

544
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.920
Kaye. The only thing I really
like about those Nolan movies are Michael Caine

545
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:36.079
and Gary Oldman and Lucia's Fox is
pretty good too, but Lucius Fox.

546
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.079
Yeah, those movies have their charms. Yeah, but you know, Jeremy

547
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:44.000
it was great as Alfred. And
I gotta say Andy Sertin, It's my

548
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.400
god, he's my new favorite.
Yeah, it's one thing they always kind

549
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:52.000
of consistently get right. But this
Dark Knight Returns bit is so cool.

550
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.800
I just I watched it again.
You know, there's we stole from it

551
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.559
in Space Detective a little bit,
some of the design element, just of

552
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.119
the of the the red and black. We do a space my movie Space

553
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.880
Detective if you can catch it at
Space Detective Movie column and Swamp Media Group

554
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.000
dot com where Why Company is located
at. There's a remaster coming up soon,

555
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.400
but we'll talk about it in a
future episode. That kind of duo

556
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.519
tone solid red and solid black.
In the Batmobile, we kind of stole

557
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.079
it a little bit Space stuff because
it's so neat. Man, it's just

558
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:28.199
to see just those two collars against
each other and the dramatic and that batmobile.

559
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:32.719
That design, which really is a
black frame with the instruments coming out

560
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.800
of the black frame to create the
cockpit. It's really cool. And the

561
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:43.239
cockpit which is like on an accordion
basically so it can stretch and bend in

562
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.199
any direction. You don't really get
the it's the common but no, I

563
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:53.360
think the batmobile of Darknight Returns is
just germane to that particular battlet. We

564
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.519
had never seen anything like it,
and I think they've been trying over and

565
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.360
over again to replicate it. That
the Christopher No, and the thing is

566
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:06.239
called well, okay, it's the
batmobile. Any guy who's going to put

567
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.000
a bat logo on his chest,
he's gonna call his car the batmobile.

568
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.639
I think there is a certain arrested
development to it. You know, in

569
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.679
the Dark Knight Returns comic, he
blames it on Dick called it the batmobile.

570
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.440
I don't think so. Anybody who
puts a bat logo on his hubcaps,

571
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:28.000
it's been to comfortable calling calling it
the batmobile. I think, you

572
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.880
know, you lose your parents at
that age, there's gonna be a certain

573
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.880
arrested development there. I think there's
gonna be a certain thing with your I

574
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.719
know, for my own case,
like, I still like a lot of

575
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.719
this stuff. I like the little
the age I lost the parent at seven

576
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:45.159
or something. There's a certain emotional
thing. And I think the eight nine,

577
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:49.119
ten year old that Bruce Wayne was
was a certain kid in there.

578
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.000
You know, he made that choice
to be Batman at that age. He

579
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.199
didn't come up with that when he
was in college or who when he was

580
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.320
a little kid. That's the decision
of a little bit. I'm gonna grow

581
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.760
up and make sure this never happens
to anybody again. But there is a

582
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.639
certain amount of wish fulfillment in there. As much as Batman has inspired us

583
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.719
to want to be superheroes like that, he's actually doing it. So yeah,

584
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:16.360
naturally, this is my batmobile.
Of course it is. And I

585
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:22.880
can't see him going saying it kind
of offhanded to Alfred and Alfred rolling his

586
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.360
eyes out of him and go,
okay, it's a batmobile. But like

587
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:30.679
the relationship we have, how is
the batmobile doings? Yeah, oh,

588
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.960
bloody hell, I imagine that,
Alfred says, oh, bloody hell a

589
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.519
lot. Yeah. I think this
is a standout of the episode, just

590
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.599
because it really let this animation and
design team really flex their muscles in a

591
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.440
way that they had it not to. And I think the third or four

592
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.960
season, whatever this season is,
is a little more limited in the budget.

593
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:58.360
Like you don't get the black paper, right, you get photoshop painted,

594
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.920
or you know, you get hair
drawn, but it's all colored in

595
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.400
photoshop where it's all very red sky. It's not a wash of black over

596
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:12.920
red. It's okay, but it's
definitely it definitely looks like Warner Brothers are

597
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.519
giving him less money. Even the
character designs a little bit more, have

598
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.239
less lines on them. Yeah,
they're a little which is funny because Bruce

599
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.599
Tim's style is so simple That's why
they're so wonderful. But yeah, they're

600
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.920
cutting costs everywhere. But in a
way, they just refined the character a

601
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.719
little bit. I prefer some of
the designs on this one to the original

602
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.920
one. I like the simpleness to
it. I like a Joker with black

603
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.320
eyes and green pupils. I like
that part of it, But I don't

604
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:49.039
like him not having red lips that
because Joker has no lips there. Yeah,

605
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:51.760
the Joker is not and I know
they were trying to go for a

606
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.360
skeletal look, but the Joker is
not wanting to go without his makeup,

607
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:59.119
without his lipstick. What do you
think Batman Beyond's version of the Cheker?

608
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.239
It looks cool. I wasn't wild
about it being Tim Drake, you know,

609
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.079
like that whole DNA swap thing was
just yeah. See, That's why

610
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.639
I could never really get into Batman
Beyond, because I don't want to deal

611
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.199
with after Dark Knight Returns basically and
the great chronology yeah Man stories, let's

612
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.360
say it all ends with Darkknight Returns. I don't want to hear afterwards.

613
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.960
I don't like Batman that isn't Bruce
Wayne. I just don't because I don't

614
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.800
like any superhero that's not the character
that I grew up with. I don't

615
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.800
like when they swapped the secret identity
or anything like that in a film.

616
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.480
I don't mind blind casting, so
if as long as it like, it

617
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.360
should make sense if it's the guy
for the character, yeah woman for that

618
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:44.800
part. For example, I'd rather
have a black Peter Parker than Miles Morales,

619
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.159
and not because of anything other than
just I like that character. The

620
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.280
costume is just the costume. But
what I like is Bruce Wayne, this

621
00:44:52.400 --> 00:45:00.320
little boy that lost his parents.
A black guy playing Bruce Wayne, that's

622
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.960
fine. I think it would work
better if he was mixed race because the

623
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:09.679
Wayne fortune is really old and the
Wayne fortune I think Greg Morrison may have

624
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.280
established this and established this in Gothic
and a Legends of the Dark Knight Coming.

625
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.000
That's where they got the title for
this episode from in there, when

626
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:22.719
they explained that Bruce Wayne, the
Wayne family money is real estate and they

627
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.599
just own Main Street basically in Gotham, right, So like everything that's in

628
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.360
on that street, Bruce Wayne owns
the property for it, and that's just

629
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:35.159
their old money they've been they founded
the city and they've had that money there.

630
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.079
They were from Scotland and they made
their money in fur trapping first and

631
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:43.400
then there was real estate. And
his great grandfather was Solomon Wayne, who

632
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.000
was a Yeah all works into the
court of owls and shit. Yeah that's

633
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.880
pretty cool. Yeah goyas. Yeah
gotam by gas. So his money's old.

634
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.840
But a monk could be black and
you know, you can do that

635
00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:00.000
kind of stuff. I just like
it when the character is the character just

636
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.480
traditionalist, do you want? Yeah, Superman has to be Joe Realm.

637
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.119
Yeah, I don't like another guy
you know, being kal El. I

638
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.840
don't like being you know, well, who's your favorite Flash to that?

639
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.519
See it only works with the Flash, Oh okay, because you'll take Barry

640
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.960
Allen and Wally West. I preferred
Wally West because that's who I had growing

641
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.880
up, right, But the Flash
has been a multi character since. It's

642
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.360
an exception really because it's like Jay
Garrett. They due in nineteen forty,

643
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.440
nineteen forty one. Barry Allen debuted
in what nineteen fifty two to fifty three,

644
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:35.400
fifty four, so not a big
difference. Wally West became the Flash

645
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.679
in the eighties. There have been
so many hell Jordans. Yeah, the

646
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.440
green Landards again. It started with
Alan Scott, then it was Hal Jordan

647
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.840
and they just kept adding green Land. But they've added Green lanyards since the

648
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.840
sixties. They had a Guy Gardner
first, they added then the John Stewart,

649
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.599
who was the first major black superhero
in DC. And all they keep

650
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.079
giving us is Cyborg. Yeah,
I know, they keep giving us a

651
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.679
Cyborg. We haven't gotten John Stewart. I like him as they've always liked

652
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.559
him as Green Lantern because I like
the portrayal of him being like an ex

653
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.400
military guy. He's that guy.
Yeah, and everybody needs that guy on

654
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.320
the team. And hoost on Hal
Jordan was an asshole. It would require

655
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.760
somebody really charming to make How Jordan
work. Hal Jordan and Tony Stark,

656
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:17.440
it was like, I never like
Tony Stark as a character in the comics.

657
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.840
I don't like Tony Stark as a
character until Robert Gonna played him right,

658
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.159
because then it was you could feel
there was that he was on your

659
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.960
side and joking with you. And
yeah, posted just a drunk asshole,

660
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:32.280
which was and Ryan Reynolds just as
how Jordan just made that jock that picked

661
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.800
on you in high school. That's
true, and that didn't work. How

662
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.079
Jordan should have been like Tom Cruiser, we were great, Hal Jordan.

663
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.039
Yes, you know what we got
was Hal Jordan the bro. Yeah,

664
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.960
and it doesn't work. Hal Jordan
is not a bro. Hopefully the new

665
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:52.480
show that that's coming out they just
announced this last weeks and they've got a

666
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:59.400
Damon Lindelof is the show runner up. Wow, that's gonna be me so

667
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.119
yeah, positive things occurring over him
these days. I mean, they could

668
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:07.039
have excited for DC and it's Hal
and John right, it's a cop show

669
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.360
basically. You know, there's a
core out there. Really neat man,

670
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.119
I'm pretty excited about that. I
like James Guns' stuff. I like the

671
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.440
Guardians. He made me care about
characters that I shouldn't have cared about.

672
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:23.639
He made that fucking Raccoon work.
I was just like, this is a

673
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.519
this is stupid, a fucking raccoon. I was on that page and I

674
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.280
saw that movie. I'm like,
shit, the raccoon is the most charming

675
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:36.159
thing since the days, and now
he's a major character in the Marvel universe.

676
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.000
Whereas, yeah, when I was
a kid, he was a there

677
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.320
was a mini series Rocket Raccoon.
It was a Forest Hu mini series,

678
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.039
and it was that's all I knew
about him. And the Guardians were like,

679
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:51.239
the Guardians were the lame Legion of
superheroes. It was literally the same

680
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:54.840
thing. They were thirtieth century superheroes. One guy had Captain America's Shield for

681
00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.039
some reason, and they were and
YANDU was on the team, and it

682
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.000
was just terrible. Lego superheroes are
awesome, teenage superheroes in the thirtieth entry,

683
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.079
you can't go wrong with that.
But the Guardians of the Galaxy were

684
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.360
terrible. Man, James Gunn made
him work. I know the lady who

685
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:15.280
wrote the first draft too, the
Coe Perlman. She wrote that in a

686
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.840
writer's lab at Marvel. Yeah,
I understand it. They said what do

687
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.559
you want to do and she said
Guardians of the Galaxy and they said that's

688
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:28.039
interesting. And then from the various
iterations of the Guardians through the years,

689
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.119
she picked who that team should be. And now in everyone's mind, that's

690
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:36.320
the team. That's the team.
But James Gunn is a solid movie director,

691
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.360
and he is a solid joke writer. He's a solid joke writer,

692
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:44.840
and he knows how to write jokes
into heart. And that's what really sold

693
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:46.719
that picture, the heart of it. Yeah, he put that heart in

694
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.800
there with those jokes, and man, start Wars works. Man, it's

695
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.320
because those characters are bigger in the
entire time. But you know, they

696
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:59.000
all really like each other. They
like even in the first one when they

697
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.719
all hate each other, they clearly
enjoy each other's company. Right, But

698
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.920
they're escaping the desk star. The
chemistry is wonderful and James Gunn really latched

699
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.760
onto that. I have high hopes
for Superman. I don't like that costume.

700
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.039
No, I don't like the collar. I'm fine with the costume,

701
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.760
but I don't like, Well,
I imagine our Superman. I imagine what

702
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.400
we've seen so far is not what
we're actually getting. That that's good.

703
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:27.880
I like the wide open where you
can see his neck. I think a

704
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:32.400
high collar makes him look fascist.
Here's my prediction. He Martha makes him

705
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.480
an outfit. He gets a Kryptonian
outfit, the Cartoonia epic gets fucked up.

706
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.880
He puts on Mom's outfit for the
finale. I hope that's the case.

707
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.039
What I do like, though,
is it's got the shorts. Thank

708
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.519
god, those shorts. It looks
a weird unitard thing going weird seek or

709
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:52.960
something. Yeah. I don't like
it. And it's just it's just,

710
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.480
oh look, it's super junk.
At least as short covers the junks a

711
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.960
little bit. Yeah, it feels
more like a costume rather than a skin.

712
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:06.719
And like, can't just the Kryptonians
be tacky dressers? Yeah, I

713
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.400
like, we'll go back to the
Donner movie, Like, I'll take him

714
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.679
in those robes. There was I
was actually everything. I responded on a

715
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.280
thread and James Gunn liked it.
Made my day. But like he was

716
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.840
talking, it was the debate on
the shorts, and I go, can't

717
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:23.599
the Kryptonians just to be a taped
wearing shorts on the outside type of society.

718
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:28.559
That's just what the way they dress, that's just they're flying fans.

719
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.000
Now, okay, let's bring it
back to the fucking episode, because the

720
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.159
third it's magnificent. The Dark Knight
return stuff is all Magnificen we get to

721
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:42.320
our third story here, which is
just the story of these kids happening upon

722
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.719
a crime and then the actual Batman
saving them. So there are now the

723
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.679
protagonists of their own story. Now
the villain of this who's design? I

724
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.920
fucking love doing this? Start so
basic, it's perfect man, just random

725
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:59.400
shapes. And here's Firefly. Firefly
never gets enough airtime or airplane. They

726
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.719
did a pretty good good one on
Gotham actually, but there's a really they

727
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.920
do a really good episode with him
on this series though. Oh yeah here

728
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.679
in the anima. Yeah, he's
a special effects guy and his girlfriend breaks

729
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.960
as a pop star and he's doing
all the special effects for her and she

730
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.480
dumps them or something. Eagles age
shit, right, I just meant live

731
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:23.000
action wise, because the recent shelving
of Backgirl because Brendan Fraser was playing Firefox

732
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:24.840
in that one, so now we
don't even get to see that. I

733
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.400
think that movie probably had really good
performances in it and wasn't very good.

734
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.000
I bet it was garbage, but
I still want to see it. Yeah,

735
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:36.000
I heard it look like it.
I heard from people who are around

736
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:38.280
you know that they have seen a
cut or something like that. They look

737
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:43.199
like a CW show. It's about
time that I think studios figure out that

738
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:49.119
we'll give anything a chance comic book
fans basically. Yeah, But the problem

739
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.280
is that's also a problem because if
they just give you anything and they don't

740
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.639
put a lot of effort into it, right, But then we're voting with

741
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.880
you know, our views and dollars, So the ones that are not quality,

742
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.239
you're going to fall away. As
comic book fans. Maybe they'll give

743
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.480
anything a chance, but unless it
comes out of Sony because none of those,

744
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.760
like, every one of those movies
tanks. I don't know why they

745
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.880
keep making I guess the Venom movies
are making money. Hold on to that,

746
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:16.559
Yeah, grant, they got to
keep making the movie so they can

747
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.079
keep their copy rank going. So
they can keep printing money. You know,

748
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.119
I fracture might not do background work
every now and then. Fun,

749
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.800
I'm always busy, like editing and
shit Like, I don't get a lot

750
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.159
of time to socialize. It's like
background gig out to spend the day,

751
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.960
make two hundred bucks. Maybe I'll
meet somebody's girls. I did background a

752
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.360
day on Venom. I can't say
anything because I signed an ending. And

753
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:44.119
it's just you know, just a
he's an arsonist, but a godom city

754
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.800
arthanists have jetpacks and this one firefly. They get him so right on the

755
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.480
cartoon when he sees the kids in
the audience and he says, oops,

756
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.880
tough luck. They're not going to
come and help you. Yeah, the

757
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.519
chargers have said, kids, you
just shouldn't be here. Ye. Yeah.

758
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.880
It's just like apathetic and not too
bright. And he's a cool sea

759
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.519
batman rolling like good eat pinch good
for a connecting scene. Yeah, Like

760
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:12.800
in the last episode, I said
he's not getting invited to the Joker and

761
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:17.079
Penguin's card game. The Penguin would
hire him though, right of course,

762
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.800
you know, and I the comics
tend to do this really well. Now

763
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.920
we're like the villains just don't all
end up in Gotham at the end of

764
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:28.320
the issue. They have lives,
right, you know, they're just not

765
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.599
caught. You've got to get charges
the stick. You know, Seedlister's going

766
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.280
to be guns for hire, basically
bring him on in. But when you

767
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.760
do that, you get something like
Kite then, who ended up being a

768
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.920
breakout on the cartoon show with Harley, but only because he was a breakout

769
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.639
in the comics because Tom Kit used
him as it was a Seedlister. I'm

770
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:50.679
just gonna work them into the story
and so does work too. It certainly

771
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.320
worked in that cartoon. And we
hadn't really mentioned the Harley Quinn cartoon,

772
00:54:53.360 --> 00:55:00.440
which is probably the from these Snyder
era of the DCU, to me,

773
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.360
the best thing that came out.
Yeah, it's silly and it does its

774
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:07.280
own thing with the mythology and it, but it's from her perspective, you

775
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.400
know, almost got to it's from
Harley's perspective, who is a lunatic,

776
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:15.320
but it was a crazy lunatic.
But they get the personalities since they're funny.

777
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:21.559
They get everybody's personality really well,
almost perfectly in some cases, so

778
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:27.400
everybody's comedically the you know, like
when the Lex Luthor shows up. Lex

779
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.280
Luther's a narcissist, he's a comedically
so on this so you can see really

780
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:37.320
the core and the personality come out. And the joke Carella at his heart

781
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:42.840
is an asshole who thinks he's funny, the worst kind of human. Yeah,

782
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:47.159
he's just and Alan Tudick as great
as the joker. He's funny and

783
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:51.880
seeing the joker call somebody an asshole
is great. Yeah, that's the they

784
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.239
think. Yeah, finally got like
cursing in the Batman universe, but because

785
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:58.400
it's a joke, they can get
away with it. Yeah. And the

786
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:01.880
Penguin is it was the peg is
played by Nuban from from Seinfeld. That's

787
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:06.599
right, there's a bar mitzvah.
So like the penguin having to go to

788
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:10.519
his kids or his nephew's bar mitzvah
is something that you know is real,

789
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.880
right, you just absolutely know what
happened and in real life. Yeah,

790
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:21.320
Or the fact that the Riddlers is
a total queen but is really sweet because

791
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.519
he gets in a in a relationship
with the clock King and they get married.

792
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.719
Sense. Man, it was fucking
great. Man. So if you

793
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.920
like Batman animated shows like we've been
discussing, do you old favorite check out

794
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.840
Harley Quinn know that it's a sitcom
and it's and now Diadrich batter is as

795
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:44.880
Batman as bot Yeah, yeah,
exactly, just thank god, my favorite.

796
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.719
There's the one they've introduced Robin and
it's Damian but he's the new Robin

797
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.880
and he's nine, and it's a
little boy doing the voice. Yes,

798
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:57.840
and everybody's whenever Robin shows up,
they can't fight him because he's so adorable.

799
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.920
It's the perfect trail of Dami.
It's really well done. I like

800
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.639
how it ends with the Firefly in
the comic Bruce Wayne and I said,

801
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:07.800
just jumps out of the shadows dressed
up as Batman's I think Batman looks like

802
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:12.960
this. It's lame. This the
kids seeing Batman and they get to see

803
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.559
Batman doing his thing, and then
his interaction with them is just yes,

804
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.079
it's I'm not cuddly, kids.
You need to get the fuck out of

805
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.320
here because shit's on fight. Yeah, but the kids still walk off all

806
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.880
super because what could be better?
Yeah? You know, I one time,

807
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.320
when I first moved to Los Angeles, I've mentioned Harlan Ellison. He's

808
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:36.840
my favorite author of all time.
Harlan had his phone number in the phone

809
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:43.599
book. He was not shy about
people contacting him. So I called on

810
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.719
my the first phone I had got
my first phone line in Los Angeles,

811
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:51.199
and my first phone call, I'm
going to call harle and Allison. And

812
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.719
it rang and rang, and then
finally the receiver was snatched up and he

813
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:02.400
just yelled and I hung up,
very scared, but was so elated because

814
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:07.719
to me, it was almost the
perfect interaction with the man. Yeah,

815
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.679
you know, like I couldn't ask
for bet. I was like meeting Batman.

816
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:16.079
Yeah, okay, this Batman.
Yeah, but can you imagine being

817
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.800
a little, you know, twelve
year old kid and talking about only hearing

818
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.360
about the urban legend in the town
you limit and then seeing them, but

819
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.320
acting as he should, like whatever
your preconceived notion of him. In my

820
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.280
case, I knew Harlan Ellison was
going to yell at me for calling him

821
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:35.079
at home, because I had no
reason to do so other than to say

822
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.000
I love you so But you know, if my version of Batman is the

823
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:44.199
jokey one or the super ultra you
know, who's still nice to Robin every

824
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.039
version of this Batman were getting,
like he's the friendly Batman. To get

825
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:52.400
the Batman's not fucking about would be
elating to me because that was a version

826
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.679
I wasn't even thinking of. Clearly, there is a thing about Batman that

827
00:58:55.760 --> 00:59:00.400
people, again the movie makers don't
quite get. They almost get. There's

828
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:06.239
always little flashes of it, but
for the most part, like bet only

829
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:12.519
trusts two kinds of people, older
men with mustaches, Commissioner Gordon Lucius Fox,

830
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.039
Alfred Pennyworth, and little kids.
He trusts little kids because little kids

831
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:22.599
are not corrupted, they're innocent,
and he stopped aging at to a certain

832
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.559
degree. He is the best dad
that you could probably hope for, even

833
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.320
though he's gonna put you in danger
and probably get you killed, but he

834
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:34.360
will get you resurrected at the very
least, the very least one of his

835
00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.960
villains will get you back to life. But he's you know, there's a

836
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:44.480
certain dad element to him, and
he's been with the kids sidekick. You

837
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:49.239
can't separate that and I the one
thing again I like and Batman begins when

838
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.400
there's a little kid there, he
gives them one of his gadgets. It's

839
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.119
a small interaction and it's nice.
I don't like Christian Bale as Batman because

840
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:02.840
he's yelling the whole time, but
yeah, Batman talks like Clint Eastward.

841
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:07.320
God read a comic book. Anyways. I like him with the little kids,

842
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.760
and it worked, you know,
And it's like Batman's a character that

843
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.599
you can trust around kids, you
know, like an adult that like,

844
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.719
you know, Batman's not going to
be a bad influence on him other than

845
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:22.159
you know, taking him to fight
crime. Superman's another character, like Superman

846
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:27.679
interacting with children, Wonder Woman interacting
with children. That's you need that.

847
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.800
These characters need that, you know. And I don't think the movies ever

848
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.599
really truly get that, right.
We haven't had a good Batman and Robin

849
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.519
other than atat West. It's an
excellent point because the thing about d C

850
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:43.719
and DC fans are they tend to
be sort of in the basic overview,

851
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:49.039
the dark versus Marvel's Light. Yeah, the characters of DC are always a

852
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.280
little more tortured. Where they're coming
from. Is a little more human in

853
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.559
a way, or not more human, because the Marvel is sort of everyday

854
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.480
sort of man and woman. But
certainly our origin stories tend to be a

855
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.880
little dark in DC well, and
in the origin stories are all very and

856
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.079
again, I don't know if this
was intentional. I don't think it was

857
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.840
intentional. I think that's just what
they tapped into. Maybe it's the time

858
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:14.159
period because a lot of these characters
are coming from the forties, you know,

859
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:19.000
a world where there are super villain
right, certainly, and they're doing

860
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.639
awful things. But yeah, they
you know, they kind of start with

861
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.960
a little bit. Batman and Superman
start with tragedy. Wonder Woman's reten ret

862
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.000
conn to have a little bit of
tragedy into it, you know, or

863
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.000
being you know, being Zeus's daughter
automatically makes things complicated. Yeah, you're

864
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.639
gonna have some problems going out.
But I the DC characters are always larger

865
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:43.599
than life. They're big gods and
stuff. My point is that they actually

866
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:50.360
what you're saying about their interactions with
children are actually necessary. Yeah is in

867
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.159
otherwise you get I don't want to
toop on Zack SNYDERX again. I love

868
01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:58.440
his stuff, but I don't his
movies are too dark. There's no these

869
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.760
are children's characters. At the end
of the day, you were met these

870
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:07.400
characters when you were a little kid, and you should be able to make

871
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.559
sure you know that a kid should
be able to I don't know. Marvel.

872
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.480
I always saw as a soap opera, everybody was very human, very

873
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.960
flawed, Whereas that's what and they
don't have kids sidekicks. See, on

874
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.079
the other hand, they're like these
godlike characters, very parental. They all

875
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:29.920
have kids sidekicks, and they all
come from dark places, very fairy tale,

876
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.480
and a lot of their origins fairy
tales always start terrible, you know,

877
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.599
the every kid, everybody lost in
the woods. You know, it's

878
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.320
like Disney movies. You know,
it always starts with there's a dead mother,

879
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.000
right or something like that. And
I think you get that in those

880
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:49.920
class at least in the Big Three. You know, Wonder Woman has on

881
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.599
an island with no men or whatever, and she's a child of a god

882
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:58.840
and stuff. But there's the Amazons
are there because they're all like the souls

883
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.480
of abused women. That's what the
Amazons and the easy comics are at the

884
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.679
very least. That approach is when
they all the Amazons are descended or they

885
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.199
are the spirits of or whatever women
that were raped and murdered and all this

886
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:15.199
stuff. The Palta was raped Hercules
Heracles, right, you know, like

887
01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:22.440
the physical amazon Us. These are
the mystical Amazons that have been resurrected as

888
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.159
from the spirits Yata. So Paradise
Island has this mystical background that's rooted in

889
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.000
tragedy. So the thing is so
it's easy to lean into. All.

890
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:34.960
Yeah, it's very easy. It's
not in any way innovative that you come

891
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:38.519
along and go, let's take this
darkness and turn the lights down. Congratulation

892
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:43.320
you make it. I've made it
more realistic and more down. Ears that

893
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.000
support we all live and that's what
we get from a Gotham, Like we're

894
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:51.519
all living in Gotham. Yeah,
I need to see that. I need

895
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.679
to see Superman fly by every once
in a while and inspire me, you

896
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.119
know, yeah, and me and
like making me. There's I saw a

897
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:01.280
clip from Superman four online, the
other terrible film, except this guy seems

898
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.119
Superman in the classroom with a bunch
of kids. You know. It's got

899
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:08.079
Superman taking that kid, and he's
got a bunch of kids running behind him,

900
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.800
and he got his arms around one
is I'm gonna you asked me to

901
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.079
get rid of nuclear weapons to me, I'm gonna go do that. Well,

902
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:15.960
yeah, you're you're supposed to do
that, the little kid like,

903
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:20.480
that's the whole point. I think
there's a great description about DC versus Marvel

904
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.960
that I always thought was really interesting
is that Marvel is the heroes in our

905
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:29.760
world, but in DC, we're
going to their world. I think that's

906
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.280
very fair. Yeah. Yeah,
as much as as fantastical as Marvel can

907
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:38.119
get, it takes place here in
that Yeah, they're not necessarily going to

908
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.079
the world outside your window. Yeah. I mean, Captain America fought in

909
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.920
the World War Two everybody, and
much to the the movies attempt to blur

910
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.440
that he did kill a lot of
Nazis. I don't know why that movie

911
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:57.960
erases the Nazis, but yeah,
they went straight to Hydra. I think

912
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.079
the rise of neo fascism in the
United States has a lot to do with

913
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:05.480
the fact that there was an edict
of no more cartoon Nazis after Chindler's List

914
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:13.599
and saving Private Ryan and brilliant historical
things, but there was no more carto

915
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:17.480
villain Nazis, and I think that
extended into Captain America, and I think

916
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:21.079
had the Red skull, but running
around the wick swasting go on his arm.

917
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.239
You want Hitler in it. We
probably wouldn't have had We will not,

918
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.920
They will not replace us. We
might not have had that because I

919
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.360
grew up in an era Nanzi was
a go to bad guy and they reminded

920
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.519
you every couple of years, some
superhero or some action guy was beating the

921
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.679
shit out of one of these scumbags, or no Brooks was making fun of

922
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.920
them. And I think where you
take a point where you have to they're

923
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.880
very serious, you gotta lampoon them. You gotta make them cartoon villains because

924
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.440
people got to understand how awful these
folks are. Anyways, that's just me

925
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:58.360
being mad that Chris Evans didn't punch
the actual Hitler. Yeah, I mean

926
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.559
yeah, we got the cartoon version
of Yeah. So like the memgie is

927
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.639
great, but I think they fucked
that up. And that's too bad because

928
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.039
if somebody would have had a good
cartoon Nazi villains, it would have been

929
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.960
Joe Johnston, and I'm sure he
argued for it. His The Rocketeer has

930
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.880
got some great Nazi villains of it. Timothy Dalton, Yes, my god,

931
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.719
that's great. Yes, oh yeah, hey. And and as you

932
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:26.480
know, going back to Batman,
there's a great Batman Captain America crossover from

933
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.039
maybe it's twenty five thirty years ago. John byrned in it, and it's

934
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:34.400
set in the forties and Hitler,
I mean, the Joker teams up with

935
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:39.360
the Red Skull and the Joker finds
out that the Red skulls a Nazis,

936
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.719
like you're Nazi. Hey, I
may be a psychopathic criminal, but I'm

937
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.760
an American psychopathic criminal. Then he
punches them. I remember that issue very

938
01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:53.440
well, even the Joker all is
the line of fucking Nazis. But this

939
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.280
episode is cool. Man. I
think this was an episode that when I

940
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:00.679
watched it, I wanted to immediately
rewatch it. I wanted to ingest it

941
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.719
and really enjoy it, because getting
to see Batman is just not that.

942
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:10.840
When seeing Batman adapted, you rarely
get to see on screen what makes him

943
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.880
so great. And I'm not talking
even story wise, and nobody gets it,

944
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.400
writes one story wise other than this
cartoon. But to see the visual

945
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:24.480
influence come to life, the important
visual stuff that in the comic book what

946
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:30.039
got the kids in nineteen fifty to
still think Batman was somewhat relevant, even

947
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:32.599
though you know he had lost his
relevancy a little bit in that decade.

948
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:38.719
To make the producers of the TV
show, William Noser and his team,

949
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:43.800
what they looked at was those big
sprank comic books, that art style,

950
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.760
that very exaggerated Bill Finger and his
giant typewriters, as I like to say,

951
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.280
a lot big piano machines and giant
props to work Batman death traps and

952
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:57.159
stuff. That's direct influence. That's
important. The Darknight Returns he has that

953
01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.079
snyer bit a lot off of it. But the Burt movie wouldn't exist without

954
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.840
it. That Burton movie. The
Dark Knight Returns showed Warner Brothers, Hey,

955
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:10.760
this Batman could be for anybody.
We could probably make a bunch of

956
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:14.320
money with this guy. I said
it earlier, I'll say it again.

957
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:18.079
The influence of Dark Knight Returns cannot
be estimated in the Batman that we have

958
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.399
today, in the varied forms of
Batman. The fact that Batman's got machine

959
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.880
guns on the Batmobile in every movie
is because of The Darknight Returns. So

960
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:30.359
it doesn't have a positive influence.
Just the darker suit, yeah, just

961
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.479
the darker tone, just that.
I don't think there's an analog. It's

962
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:39.399
not one. For one, the
Burton film it visually owes nothing to the

963
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:44.239
comic book. What it does,
oh, is the freeing up to make

964
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:47.439
it as dark as they made.
Yeah, even visually. The comics were

965
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.199
influenced by The Dark Knight Returns.
You know, to the point that Batman

966
01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:56.680
had the yellow oval on his suit, and the reason why he has a

967
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.600
yellow thing in his middle of his
chest was been the in the sixties.

968
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:03.680
They wanted a trademark the Batman logo, and they couldn't just trademarked the bat

969
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:08.720
that's on his chest because there was
a million other things like Bacardi rum looks

970
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.079
like Batman, but if you put
it in a yellow circle, you could

971
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.479
trademark it. So it was there, and in the Dark Nary turns frankments,

972
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.520
Oh, it's a target that Batman
puts on his chest. Can't armor

973
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.079
my head, can't armor his head
which parted his X later you can.

974
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:25.600
And then once that suit gets messed
up, he goes back to his original

975
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:29.039
costume with a big old Bat on
it. But the comics eventually went to

976
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:32.239
the big Old Bat within a few
years. The big is true. That's

977
01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:35.439
you know this one right down on
This is from the thirty nine one.

978
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:41.680
You know literally what I have on
my arm. Co host just discovered that

979
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.279
they both have a bat ten.
Yeah, from the same fucking era.

980
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:49.279
Yeah. So the Dark Nary Turns
influence is huge, and it just did

981
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:56.760
an influence Batman. It influenced the
entire industry because it was the book that

982
01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.960
that that broke the industry into the
main It was the book that people go,

983
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:04.279
all comics are for kids, are
for growing up, you know,

984
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:08.199
are for just forgetting. It's the
book that made it, don't people go,

985
01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:11.079
Comics aren't just for kids anymore.
They're for grown ups. Everybody could

986
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.640
enjoy them, more so than Watchmen. I know. Watchmen was more literary,

987
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.359
and I think that turned on a
whole other segment of the populae.

988
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.079
Sure, but the comic book that
made it real is the fact that Batman

989
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:27.600
was now in his fifties and had
a deeper complexity than we had ever really

990
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.960
considered and made us examine the character
in ways that like, look, the

991
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.239
comics had given us all these different
versions of them over the years, but

992
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:40.159
this one really opened it up for
people to go, oh, this is

993
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:45.159
for me too. This book,
The Dark Knight Returns Watchmen wasn't getting written

994
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:48.680
up in Rolling Stone in nineteen eighty
six. Dark Knight Returns is a fucking

995
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:55.439
Rolling Stone, meaning The Dark Knight
Returns was okay for college people and twenty

996
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:58.479
somethings. The Dark Knight Returns.
Oh, this comic book is cool.

997
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:00.279
And you know how cool this was. This is the only comic book Zack

998
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.840
Snyder's ever read. Okay, he
read three hundred and he looked at the

999
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.279
the Dave Gibbons sheets for Watchmen.
I don't think you read the story.

1000
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.560
Well, no, I don't think
he looked at the art. That's one

1001
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.600
thing about Watchman when I was just
kind of weird, is I like the

1002
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.520
fact that he did the movie universe
version of Watchmen, so like it exists

1003
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:25.800
in the same kind of movie universe
of every superhero movie that came out after

1004
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.119
the Burton Batman, where we had
rubber costumes and mascara on their faces and

1005
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:33.520
stuff, and then you and then
the comic. The Watchmen costumes are very

1006
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:39.000
kind of home made, look good
almost. Yeah. The TV show did

1007
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:42.640
a nice job interpreting those costumes,
and you know, I give we talked

1008
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.000
about Zack Snyder. But I love
Zack Snyder, and I wish he would

1009
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:48.760
make more stuff like three hundred again
because I think that's his best. That

1010
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:53.479
movie. It is easy and you
watch three hundred over and over again,

1011
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:57.199
it's and you gotta understand it.
It's this and that or whatever. But

1012
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.600
it's told from the perspective of the
greed from the Greeks. It's propaganda piece,

1013
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.640
like you're supposed to be ridiculous.
Yeah, and yeah it's racist,

1014
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:09.000
but it's supposed to be like that
everything that was in Greece was foreign and

1015
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.920
monstrous. Yeah, that was the
whole point. But it's a beautiful film.

1016
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.439
Absolutely, This is there developing a
TV show. Don't do that.

1017
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.239
Don't do that. It should be
just a little piece of art that Yeah,

1018
01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:21.840
yeah, that sequel didn't exist.
And don't take it as history.

1019
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.199
Oh, read a book for history. These are fiction, everybody. Yeah,

1020
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.439
these are fiction. So I don't
want to all them ex Nider Stuck.

1021
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:30.760
No, I like him as a
filmmaker. I wish he would do

1022
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.000
more stuff like that. I love
three hundred, and I'm one of the

1023
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:36.000
fans of Watchmen. No, me
too. I love that Watchman, but

1024
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:40.840
I've seen a bunch of times.
I think he should have hired older actors

1025
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:44.119
to play the older characters instead of
putting them in the fucking terrible makeup,

1026
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:47.640
Like, yeah, it was,
it's unacceptable. Yeah, I would have

1027
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.319
done the two actor thing too.
There's no shame in casting a sixteen because

1028
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:57.439
a sixteen year old the median is
super is what the sixteen year old comedian

1029
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:03.000
does unexpected because he's a right and
this is Jefferdine Morgon doing it, Okay,

1030
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:06.079
I expect him to be raby.
Even his makeup at the beginning is

1031
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:10.560
if he as fuck is if he
Yeah, he's great though, Oh my

1032
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:13.600
god, he's the perfect guy for
this. He's great. Yeah, yeah,

1033
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.600
But couldn't you imagine, you know, like they actually had some sixty

1034
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.840
five year old guy blaming him though? It would be great, Yeah,

1035
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.880
because you know, think like Bruce
Willis or something at that you know night

1036
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:26.680
in two thousand and nine playing that
part like an old man, you know,

1037
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.319
older guy. Oh well yeah,
that kind of would have been perfect.

1038
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.279
Yeah shit, but it was you've
cast us in your head. I

1039
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:36.479
read Tom Cruise, that was who
we wanted for Ozzie Mandias. That would

1040
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:41.079
have been the perfect guy. Yeah, Tom Cruise, and I love Matthew

1041
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:44.439
Good. I am the president of
the Matthew Good Film Fan Club. Man.

1042
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:46.520
I want to cast that dude as
a villain in something because he is

1043
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:53.000
spectacular as Ozzie Mandias and he's even
better as Bob Evan's on that Godfather the

1044
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:57.840
Offer show on on Paramount. It
doesn't I'm not wild about the casting on

1045
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.520
on on Coppola. Oh yeah,
yeah, that's what's his name? Is

1046
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:04.439
it, Josh Gatt. It's the
other one, the other guy guy,

1047
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.039
the Fury guy. Because the Balls
of Fury guy is like short, like

1048
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:13.520
the penguin. I shouldn't have been
playing Copla. Copla is like six feet

1049
01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:16.199
tall and is a bear of a
man. And you know what I mean,

1050
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.840
Yes, the intimidation is not there
with this. He's just another puzzo.

1051
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:26.199
There's yeah, exactly. And there's
no way that Miles Teller would have

1052
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:31.359
intimidated me. There's no way that
Al Roady could have intimidated the real Coppola.

1053
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.119
Copeland would have just been like,
fuck you, I'm gonna have a

1054
01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.720
glass of wine, smoke a joint, ups with spaghetti and you can kiss

1055
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:41.000
my ass. Yeah, I'm back
to San Francisco with me, San Francisco

1056
01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:46.600
with me. Fuck you No,
he's not. Copland still got it Man.

1057
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:49.840
Yes, I would have remind seeing
Copla do a Batman movie, though

1058
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:55.359
that could be something else. I
like cop Yes, his version, Yes,

1059
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.199
whatever you want, no studio notes
Yes, well then you know he

1060
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.159
made Dracula. That Dracula, despite
some of the weird casting in it,

1061
01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:05.880
that movie is cool. One of
the studios wants to be really fucking pushed

1062
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:11.600
because we I think we've reached the
point where we've gotten the traditional superhero storytelling

1063
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:15.000
cinematically these days. If someone wants
to have a fucking fun time, I

1064
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.239
would do exactly that. I would
call Germa del Tour and go, what

1065
01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.920
character do you want? Go ahead. We're not trying to make a joint

1066
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:25.399
universe right now. Yeah, we'll
get to that, you know, if

1067
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:28.119
we get there at all. I
just want to see swamp Thing be swamp

1068
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:31.319
things. Yeah, if Batman exists, if Gotham is there, sure,

1069
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:35.760
and I know you know Constantine exists
there too, in the swamp Thing University's

1070
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:39.920
from the swamp Thing universe. But
for fox sake, can I just spend

1071
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:42.319
some time in the swamp and not
worry about what's going on in the rest

1072
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:45.680
of the world. Yeah, did
do these one off kind of tales like

1073
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.159
James Mangold. They had a lot
of success with Logan doing that. I

1074
01:15:48.199 --> 01:15:50.520
don't think Logan is as great Asy
already made it out to me, but

1075
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:57.159
it's pretty good. It's at least
taking the taking brave something new. Yeah,

1076
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.760
you know the Joker and that Joker
movie too, I was trying to

1077
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:02.800
do doing his own. What do
you think it's successial or not. It's

1078
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.680
either here or there. But you
know, he plays pretty well. I

1079
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:12.760
do not. I hate that movie, but exactly what I'm saying, I

1080
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:14.760
like that it's out there. I
like that they said, yeah, you

1081
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.399
go ahead. It's not going to
fuck up the timeline in people's minds.

1082
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.439
It's always been the fucking problem with
the studios is, well, everyone's going

1083
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:26.239
to be so confused if we have
two different Batman properties out there. You

1084
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:30.079
know, the Arrow Verse had a
version of the Suicide Squad that they had

1085
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.760
built over seasons that they had to
stop doing this movie because there's a movie

1086
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.840
coming out. We don't want anybody
to go getting the wrong idea. I

1087
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:40.520
mean, you can tell it's two
different This whole shared universe thing has gotten

1088
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.600
in their hand. Marvel did it
great, and then everybody tried to do

1089
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:46.039
it again. And just if you
don't have a plan from the beginning where

1090
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:50.279
it's all going right now, don't
just tell the story of that character.

1091
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:56.279
That's all we really need. I
actually think planning the universes ahead of time

1092
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.359
hurt everybody because they're like, Okay, we're gonna build this movie and then

1093
01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:04.479
we'll get to the real popular villain
in the sequel. Just like expected a

1094
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:09.479
popular villain. Make the movie and
if it works, have that in your

1095
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:13.359
back pocket, but make your contained
story. The Iron Man was able,

1096
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:16.039
I think pulled that awfully. Well. Yeah, well they came up with

1097
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:20.199
a villain, a hero most people
barely knew, and a villain people both.

1098
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:26.039
Yeah both. But here's the thing
I agree with you. Yeah,

1099
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.800
Iron Man also had no interesting villains. Right, if it's your first Batman

1100
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.239
movie, might as well go up
against the Joker. Yeah, it's gonna

1101
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.600
come up, and it doesn't.
We don't need to build to it.

1102
01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:40.079
It's not necessary as fans. But
at the same time, just don't kill

1103
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.479
them at the end. Yeah.
I never understood that and that they did

1104
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.279
that, and that's all from the
Burton movie. They that's because they just

1105
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:50.319
knew they could never afford Nicholson.
Again, I'm assuming, but it makes

1106
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:54.720
no sense that they would kill the
Catwoman, although they at the last second

1107
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:58.880
through her back and yeah, but
yeah, I mean, Harvey Dent dies

1108
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:02.279
and the Joel Schumacher one a end
and Wiggler gets it. He's insane,

1109
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:08.399
so he can't reveal who Batman is. Yeah, it's just I think that's

1110
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:12.600
eighties Hollywood movie writing. The villain
dies. The villain dies at the end.

1111
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.319
That's the only way we can have
some sort of satisfying climb ances to

1112
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:20.000
is for our villain to remain slane, you know, because how many times

1113
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:26.640
Bond movies they just kept recasting blofeld
Oh, yeah, who do we need?

1114
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:29.319
Who do we like? Yeah?
Who isn't pissing us off? Yeah,

1115
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:31.159
that's funny. But if he just
didn't fucking care. But that was

1116
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.560
also before you know, home the
home video market or anything like that,

1117
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:38.840
where people, if they saw the
movie again, they had to go to

1118
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:41.680
the movie theater or go back to
watch it on a re release. So

1119
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:44.079
maybe there wasn't that louch. Yeah, so they're not going to really notice

1120
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:46.680
that mob Adams had previously been a
bond girl when she shows up in Octopus.

1121
01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.359
But nobody gives a shit that.
You know, Don Cheetles became roady,

1122
01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.239
not at all. No, and
mony thing is the other guy gave

1123
01:18:55.239 --> 01:19:00.399
a better performance Terrence Hower. Yeah, oh yeah, Terrence Howard tried because

1124
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.720
we all know what a spectacular actor
Don Cheetle is. Oh yeah, and

1125
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.479
Don Gino's just like my paychake,
I got my money. Fuck it up,

1126
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:08.960
he's phoning it in. He's a
marble movie. I don't give a

1127
01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:12.079
shit. Does seem that way,
Terrence Howard, It's a marrble movie.

1128
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.840
I give a shit. I feel
bad for Terrence Howard. I don't understand

1129
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.199
that gossip. I don't know who, I don't care. It's all very

1130
01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:21.680
sketchy. It's all sketchy. I'm
sorry you didn't get cast in the second

1131
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.880
one. You know, take the
pay cut. I guess I don't know.

1132
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:28.600
I would. He shouldn't get a
pay cut. He shouldn't get a

1133
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:31.079
pay cut. I don't believe that
he got paid more money though in the

1134
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:35.680
first movie than that. Basically he
was on par with Robert Downey. He

1135
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.000
said, well, I was saying
that he was getting paid more. Well,

1136
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.039
that might have been the case,
just because there was, you know,

1137
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.000
no guarantee about Downy Junior at that
point. Yeah, people were still

1138
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.119
nervous about him, even though he'd
been doing good work for the previous decade.

1139
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.600
Kiss Bang like chiss Bang is still
his best movie. Fucking great movie.

1140
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:58.199
Isn't that a great movie? Everything
about that picture is just original and

1141
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:02.560
rash and real even and kind of
hilarious because they keep calling Robert Downey Junior

1142
01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:08.079
kid in it. I'm like,
well, cock on day Berry. Oh,

1143
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.119
it's fantastic movie beginning to end.
I know you would find the word

1144
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:16.479
stupid, which is what you are. Just Val Camrose, I guess his

1145
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:20.479
last hurrah, Yeah, pretty much, but one does it go out on?

1146
01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:26.359
Yeah, such a great picture.
Shane Black's doing Doc Savage. He's

1147
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.359
been no collamoring. No, he's
doing it with The Rock and they just

1148
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:34.560
did a press conference like two days
ago. Well the Rock, huh,

1149
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:39.560
he is bronze. He is bronze. Are they gonna put him in a

1150
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:45.439
bad a blonde wig? I hope
so better with that that widow. I

1151
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:50.319
can't imagine Shane Black will do anything
but sixties. He's a big he's a

1152
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:55.920
big Doc Savage guy. Eh oh, yeah, I know he's a fan

1153
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:59.560
of the books. And what has
been trying to get that movie made since

1154
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.479
the eighties was Swarzen here long time
was attached to it. Even Dolf Londern

1155
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:08.399
kind of it is Doc Savage in
real life A little bit he is in

1156
01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:11.600
real life, but he wouldn't.
He can't act. He can't act.

1157
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.239
But I mean he's beautiful. Well, I mean he's like a perfect human

1158
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:17.319
specimen, and he's like a super
fucking genius, and so maybe the acting

1159
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.880
doesn't need to be at the height. But yeah, I guess the Rock

1160
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:26.000
I don't know, get the Rock
place more deve batistas. I mean Smart

1161
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:29.880
will believe. Smart will believe it. If the writing is he can he

1162
01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:31.960
can read. It's fucking Shane Black. I'm not gonna not see it.

1163
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.439
The Rock can act. I mean, his whole personality is an act.

1164
01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:41.800
That's true. But let's let's wrap
up out here on the back and shape

1165
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:46.279
any final thoughts on Legends of the
Dark Knight. It's got the best episode

1166
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:50.800
title out of the entire series,
only because Legends of the Dark Knight was

1167
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:55.319
low key my favorite comic run when
I was in high school. It was

1168
01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:01.439
an anthology comic five issue arcs,
generally out of continuity. Originally it was

1169
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:05.880
meant to be in Batman's early days. They were meant to be young Batman

1170
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:11.560
stories, but they really just ended
up being out of continuity, just Batman's.

1171
01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:14.359
Anyone shows up with a great Batman
idea, go do it. And

1172
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:17.239
in Legend of the Dark Knight,
You Got you Got Faces I think a

1173
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:24.279
two face story from bet Matt Wagner
You Got Prey, which was an update

1174
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:28.439
of the Hugo Strange interaction with Batman. He was Strange, resses up like

1175
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:33.319
Batman. Paul Glacy arc gorgeously at
Greg Morrison's Gothic, which is really good.

1176
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:36.359
It revealed that Bruce Wayne man have
gotten diddled by a priest when he

1177
01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:41.680
was a kid, or went to
a school that had you know some hansy

1178
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:46.000
yikes. Yeah, and where Venom
was introduced is a story where Bruce Wayne

1179
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:53.560
gets addicted to the super steroid venom
oh and has to go into basically rehab,

1180
01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:57.560
but rehab for Bruce Wayne was take
the Batman mask off and the cap

1181
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.439
off and then go lock yourself in
the cave for three months to detox,

1182
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:02.479
and he can out to be a
little beard and skinny, and he's like,

1183
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:05.960
all right, I'm ready to fight
crime again. But the venom eventually

1184
01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:12.479
evolved into especially that earlier on Legend
of the Dark Knight. If you're a

1185
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.680
fan of comics of Batman, seek
it out. It's really cool. I'm

1186
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:17.359
sure you can get them on the
DCF. So I love the title.

1187
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:23.039
I love the art styles and the
respect to the history of Batman a lot.

1188
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.319
I love the fact that it's a
reminder that little kids love this character

1189
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:32.279
and dark movies that kids can't go
watch. Maybe you should make him a

1190
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.680
Batman movie that they can go watch. I'm okay for a dark r Rader

1191
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.720
Batman movie. I want that,
But I want to make sure my nephew

1192
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:44.560
gave as a Batman movie with Robin
and the Batmobile and Ace to Bathhound and

1193
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:46.640
mister Freeze and you know what I
mean, something for him to enjoy as

1194
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:49.439
well. You're absolutely right. I
think we're gonna have two Batman movies because

1195
01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:53.439
why people love that shit one every
other year? Who cares? Yeah,

1196
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:57.399
fuck the timelines that that cares.
I don't. I want to see every

1197
01:23:57.439 --> 01:24:01.319
Batman, although I'm surprised that they're
not making the the Robert Pattinson is the

1198
01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:05.720
young version of whatever, the next
whatever, the James Nunber is Okay,

1199
01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:11.319
Well they're doing they're going brave and
bold. Yeah, with Damian Wayne,

1200
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.840
Yes, I wonder you know what
you should cast on that. John Hamm

1201
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too old now, but he's a
kid now, Yeah, that's true.

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01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:25.279
I mean John Ams is fifty,
so I mean Kessydrick Bonner, right,

1203
01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:29.840
you're gonna you're looking at it with
a raised eyebrow. Chris Emsworth, Oh

1204
01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:31.760
no, I could totally see him. Have you seen that last movie of

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01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:38.159
his that Netflix The Extractor too?
And not they're not they're out of control

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01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:41.960
action movies, right, but these
teams with a little kid in it in

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01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.119
the second one, and the chemistry
is great. I'm sure he one of

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01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.760
them. You know, he's a
young dad with like kids and shit like

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01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:54.279
and that four movie isn't very good, no, that last one, but

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01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:57.800
he's good with the kid. That's
his kid. Yeah. So I think

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Chris Emsworth is physically obviously you know, yeah, dye his hair and costume

1212
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.000
work there. Yeah, now you
know, know pat and muscles needed.

1213
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:10.319
Yeah, but the fact that I
know he can play serious because he's those

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01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:13.800
action movies is fine. But he's
good with kids, yeah yeah, and

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01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.479
he looks the part and he's a
got the right level of name. And

1216
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:21.439
plus what great press we stole for
I mean goodbye. Yeah, right now,

1217
01:25:23.000 --> 01:25:26.640
let me bring it back again,
because here's an idea. Let's get

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01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:30.239
a Batman movie that's a fucking anthology
that it would be nice where you could

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01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:34.920
have any actors you want in any
style you want, for any story you

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01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.880
want. But throw that out there. I mean that we get those as

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01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.000
animated things from time to time,
and we've gotten them here and those are

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01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:46.399
wonderful. Let's see something. There's
an animated anthology movie from around the Christen

1223
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:50.199
Woland time, a Shadow of the
bat Yes, which is an idology of

1224
01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:55.119
the anime, which is okay,
some of them are better than others.

1225
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:58.159
I don't know how well Batman translates
to anime. It's kind of a weird.

1226
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:03.000
It's yeah, it's very off putting, like Batman. Ninja is cracked

1227
01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:08.520
the fuck out. Yeah it was
fun, right, I like the Batman

1228
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.159
and Ninja turtles more though, Yeah, certainly that was a great It was

1229
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:14.840
a lot of fun. There's so
many good Batman's. Give us an anthology,

1230
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.119
it'd be fun. And you've been
listening now to midnight viewing anthologies.

1231
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.399
Attack. This is gonna be the
end of this episode. I don't know

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01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:24.720
what our next topic is, but
in two weeks you're gonna you'll all know.

1233
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:30.760
Our Patreon subscribers are gonna know a
week early. Until then, where

1234
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:33.119
can people find you, Antonio if
they're looking for you, well, we'll

1235
01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:36.039
be back here saying back time,
same back shadow. No, you can

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01:26:36.159 --> 01:26:42.279
find my work over at swamp me
dot com, and you can watch my

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01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:46.159
movie at Space Detectivemovie dot com,
the only place you can watch it right

1238
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:50.199
now there, and please enjoy.
It's kind of weird. Have a cocktail

1239
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:55.079
or something. Do you have legal
cannabis in your state? Enjoy some of

1240
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:58.600
that. It's a weird kind of
animated thing. It's fucking great, is

1241
01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.640
what it is. Oh, thank
you very much. Yeah, of course.

1242
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:03.439
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1243
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:09.600
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1244
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1245
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.239
host Until next time. See.
He was just like, I said,

1246
01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:20.720
what are you talking about? Did
you see the way? He thought?

1247
01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:25.560
Yeah? But he also had that
phone thing and when he flew away the

1248
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:29.760
end, I'm telling you he's not
human. Get off it. He's human.

1249
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:43.840
I don't know. I thought I
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01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.600
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