Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the X Men Retrospective. I'm
the clown Prince of Learning trust now, and the man to my left has
joined me is I'm a horseman Google Bats, and the man at the bottom
making a long awaited return, the rate Master, mister Caspan, How goes
it there? Yeah? Good yourself, Thanks for having me on again.
Hmm yeah. So for people to give some contexts that don't know, because
Kyle's gone, you appear like Sprackley, an extra life here. You're an
extra life this year. I think you've done like one after nine since you've
been back. Every time I try to invite him, he's always busy.
So hopefully one time we'll get you on. But uh so, people that
have been listening, though, is we in honor of Deadpool and Wolverine we
have re released the Xcellent retrospectives that we put back like recorded years ago,
and we're putting them back now because around this time people sometimes ask like,
oh, what are your thoughts on this? Are your thoughts on that?
So we go, okay, well we recorded these God that was I think
twenty seventeen, so it's like, oh boy, that was how many.
That's where I'm looking at seven years yeah, no, yeah, seven years.
We were two way before I say, seven years ago, so some
of those casts. But that's why now people might have been like, hey,
I know Kirkland, I know Travis, but who's this third guy on
there? But Kyle used to be on a lot because me and him and
another person who Liam, hosted two spin off shows. And then Kyle actually
had replaced Kirkland when he had gone. Kyle was a member of Geek for
his for our year, so and then that X Men retrospective was the weird
timeline of Kirkland had came back and then Kyle was on his way out to
Australia because I remember it was leading up to an X Men movie and you
couldn't be on that review because you were on your way out or something like
that. So it's we that's what it was. Because I felt like it
was so close to the time that i'd seen it and you guys doing the
cast. That's why I thought I had already been on there. But yeah,
I don't know, there's some weird timeline and events going on. Yeah,
but uh yeah, so we're here to review Dark Phoenix today. And
I think it's gonna be tons of fun. Kyle, when was the last
time you've seen Dark Phoenix? You kidding? Mhmm, you're pulling my leg?
What you serious? What can you answer the question for? What?
What am I serious about? Dark Phoenix? Yeah, that's what we're talking
about right now. Yeah, I haven't seen it a long time. But
I thought it was supposed to be watching Apocalypse. We are I just wanted
to fuck with you for a second. Oh man, I thought I dropped
the ball to because I set Apocalypse. You ruin the joke. You're in
the joke. Oh, I can't wait. Everybody else tell you what.
I can't wait to show that the tailor because Kyle, that's just me today.
He's like, which is it Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix? And I said
Apocalypse? Like are you sure? We Like, I'm sure we've done that.
I'm like, no, we haven't. So that'd be great that on
air to say Dark Phoenix too and have them just for a minute to be
like, are you fucking can? I just watched a two and a half
hour X Men movie for no, he's in but yeah, to give the
timeline, what happened was we did this and we did it was we did
the X Men retrospective and it was leading up to Dark Phoenix, and that's
when you went and Kirkland had come back. We had already reviewed Apocalypse when
we did that at retrospect, so the timeline was Apocalypse come came out,
and we did that X Men retrospective after that, so we had already recorded
it. But when I was when I was re releasing these when people are
like, oh, put them back in the feeds. The Apocalypse won one.
It was recorded with the old mics where it was just we're sharing one
mic, so that audio was always yeah, yeah, it's always met.
And then also on that one, we consistently had problems of the mic cutting
in and out, so I'm like, I don't really want to upload this
one. So I thought, man, this would be a good time to
get the X boys back together because we did X Men one all the way
to day as the Future pass so and Kirkland was all Dark Phoenix. I
don't need to make them re review that one. But that's where the Apocalypse
we got an excuse to get us three back together. So Kyle, that's
what happened that you were not on Apocalypse, and neither was Kirkland. So
that's where I will say, do you remember the first time watching it,
and now how do you feel about it years later in twenty twenty four,
And that's occurred to Kyle. Sorry, Okay, I vaguely remember it,
and I feel like, you know, a lot's happened in the last seven
years, no, where I think movies have changed, or maybe my taste
of change. So it's it was I think for me, it is a
long haul of a movie. Now, but are you saying that do you
feel like when you watch this back when it came out that you enjoyed this
movie? I think when I think back, I think I enjoyed it,
and now I look at it and going, oh, this is like you
know when we like go back to like watching movies from like the early two
thousand. She's like, oh, it's a bit corny and they do a
bit of weird things, but like you can still kind of vibe it.
Yeah, that's kind of how I felt like with this, Okay, and
I enjoyed it when I first saw it. But okay, yeah, we'll
get into it. In the review. It was twenty sixteen story, so
it's actually been eight years since this movie, so almost a decade since this
movie has come out. But you're saying currently not a movie you would recommend
now the Apocalypse. I don't think so. No, no, okay,
we'll get into it, mister Pats Or what do you remember first watching it?
And then have you watch Is this your first time since seeing in the
theaters it? Yes, it is the first the second time I guess total
that I've seen this movie, And in a weird way, I feel like
it was somewhat better than I was expecting, but worse than I remember it
being so like it's a weird middle ground there where I felt like Apocalypse himself,
Like I thought the performance was good. I thought the character was really
good, like from my memory, you know, like Oscar Isaac before he
really just became Oscar Isaac. And even though this is a year after Force
Awakens, which is is it actually? Yeah, of course twenty fifteen,
he was a household name right after, but still he went from Poe to
I guess ex Makna would have been before that even right, Yeah, okay,
And I don't know, like I felt like some of the big moments,
like I really enjoyed, like of course the Quicksilver sequence, Like I
remember just that being like such a hype moment in the theater, and like,
fuck, I love that that scene. I love that character. But
like you know, years have gone on, I haven't seen this, and
I've only heard certain not good things about this movie, and so I was
expecting, like god awful just across the board. And I don't think it
was all bad, Like there was some decent stuff in here. I really
liked the sequence with I mean just Fastbenders. Magneto is just it's so great
to see. So I really like the sequences between his wife and his daughter
and the early portions of the film. He kind of just goes away for
like most of it after that and then he's just around first meditating. Yeah,
but I know, I like ones like that. I do really like
this Charles Xavier as well. Oh my god, what's his name? McVoy?
James James McVoy, So like that aspect. It also just kind of
reminds me of like Days Future Past and First Class though, like maybe just
this stuff. It's like, oh man, I want to watch those movies.
Like that's kind of what this movie does to me, more so than
get me excited for Dark Phenix because I really did not like that movie the
first time I had seen it. So but yeah, no, I don't
think it's all bad, but it is pretty damn bad, and I don't
recommend it. I think it also really hurts it now after going through X
Men animated series and like seeing that Apocalypse, yes, and then you get
this and like it. I was just like Chuckle and I felt like every
time he was on screen because he's just this like blue guy with like really
white eyes and really like white teeth, and it's just like, this is
such a strange. I don't know version of Apocalypse to see, and I
don't know Oscar Isaac. Like, I don't think he was really that bad.
It's just like the whole design of the character I wasn't a fan of
and not good. The Four Horsemen was just really bad. So yeah,
yeah it was. It was an interesting watch, especially that it's been so
long. Kyle, do you know what Apocalypse looks like in the comments or
in the comics? Sorry, no, I will do a quick google.
Well, yeah, it's worth a quick google. So yeah, no,
I remember when this movie came out, I liked it more than other people
because I think this not think it was coming off Days of Future Pass,
which was two years before, and that was Harold. That's like the X
Men are back. You know, we got that, and then in this
I think before this, we yeah, because it was February, we got
Deadpool. So back to back we got Days of Future Pass and Deadpool.
So it's like, man, you know, Fox, X Men, here
we go. They're making a big comeback, and Apocalypse was next. It's
like, man, we're getting Apocalypse. This is you know, they're fanos
big equivalent and I remember liking certain things but having problems. I do you
think I like it less, not to a huge degree where I'm like,
oh, this is like maybe what Kyle might have gone to, where Okay,
I don't know if I can enjoy this now, But at the same
time, I think I'll only there's multiple X movies that I will go like
a logan our Days of Future Pass that I will just watch, or X
two like because I want to watch that one. I do feel this is
the only one that I will watch in times like this where it's like,
oh, dead Pool Wolverine are coming out, I'm gonna binge. The X
Men movies you know, like that's or if I show them to the kids.
I don't think there's ever gonna be a time because I think I've only
seen it twice, and this would be the third time. I guess I
saw in the theaters. Think I saw it once at home and when I
was on Netflix with something, and that was it. I've not felt the
need to go back because there is good moments at here, but I don't
know. I guess they're just so. I guess it's maybe it's because the
movie so long too. That's why maybe it was a shorter movie like two
hours with good moments. I would return back to more. But it's like
the the mass doesn't equate to the size of the load of what's going on
here. Like I have three moments in here that I think are great,
But then, like I said, is that worth watching all two and a
half hours, I don't know. Maybe it's more worth just a YouTube it
up. So I still enjoy aspects. I don't think it's awful. I
think there's a lot of things that don't make sense. I think they stumble
a lot with introducing those those new X men. I think there's too many
characters going on or maybe not enough written for them, because you can movie
like in Finny War Avengers and they have big cast, but they can pull
that off. But I just feel like we meet a bunch of new X
Men, but we don't learn too much about them, and everything's kind of
very surface level. So I think that's an unfortunate thing. And Apocalypse is
he's not awful, He's just I don't know. I don't want to just
say mid, I don't want to say what the kids say nowadays, but
just it's just fine, and it shouldn't should be fine. He should be
a little bit more and stuff, especially myself, like I knew watching for
in the comics, so like have a big, you know, kind of
expectation going in, but even just watching it, like even if it's lower
than expectations, it's just he's very uns like the fact that it's Oscar Isaac.
I usually I don't forget it, but I'm just always surprised because I
don't think of all, like I don't think of when I think of Oscarisen
comic movie, I think of a Moonnight or that's it. I don't ever
think, oh, he was Apocalypse as well, you know, And I
know it's because he's caked in the makeup, but it's uh yeah, there's
just something with that villain that's just there. There's missing a little genisa quaw
I think with him. So mm hm I agree. Yeah, Kyle,
did you get a good look at Apocalypse there? I did. Yeah,
he looks so much better. So do you do you think in if they
do well, they'll acually get there in the MCU do you think they will
have to do the Thanos route and cee g I am like, do mocap
soup and everything like that. I think that's probably what they'll end up doing,
because that's what they have been doing with every other barble. Yeah,
villain unfortunately, but put to well sometimes fortunately. Would you want to see
Thanos looking like this? Would you like see Josh Brolin in the purple makeup?
You know? Head shame ball? Yeah, trip, Yeah, good
point. There's some nework. But I'm gonna I'm gonna leave it to you
as you're the guest. What do you what do you? Oh? And
I guess I did go back. Sorry, we used to do this in
the X Men retrospective. I'd read the synopsis, so if you don't know,
in the nineteen eighties. The X Men must have feed an ancient all
powerful mute and who intends uh to thraw or who intends to thrive by bringing
destruction to the world. They don't call him Apocalypse, and they actually never
call him Apocalypse in the movie, so he's just and stuff. And uh,
Kyle, do you what do you think about Apocalypse here? Because obviously
you you have no calm acknowledge him. You didn't, you know, watch
the Ammid series back in the day. So how do you how do you
how does this villain fair fee in this movie? I think if I just
take it as just the villain, it was like all right, but it
was just felt like kind of the here's another villain who's like gonna take over
the whole world and we need to stop them type thing. And I don't
know if it's like it feels like a repeat. But I don't know if
it's just I remember like from all the other like Marvel movies that's been happening
over the seven years, I've getten all mixed up with that. Probably there's
a few that have that plot, just a few, just a few,
But I don't know. I feel like it wasn't really that, you know,
like rememberable really and he was, you know, I feel like maybe
the writing was a bit like ecstatic or like kind of boxy, like it
just didn't really I don't know, he didn't really show much emotion or anything.
No, And I think like, unfortunately it doesn't come off as a
threat either, like you kind of hope that it's like, Okay, if
we can't make them a layered film like a fan os, then you kind
of because like if you look at derv Vader and the Star Wars movies,
he doesn't have really emotion. He's not that three dimensional till the third one,
but it's like or the sixth one, whatever you want to say.
But he's still scary in those movies, or appears to be where I guess
I don't know why they never reached with that. I don't think it's fully
look because I do. I think it has a bit to do that.
I remember when they showed that trailer Comic Con and there was like the first
images coming out and the fans are not happy, and Oscary' is like,
I wish I could find the clip, but he can't say She's like,
oh, look at that, that looks cool. Eh, and it was
just such a smattering of applause. It's like, oh, you just you
knew it was over for the look, but yeah, what will you kirk?
What you did? You enjoy it? Obviously probably not because he was
talking about how you watched the show basically we did review that all. But
do you think like the deemion qualities about him? I feel like my favorite
part about him in this film in particular is just like the myth and legend
of what he kind of is, and like he's coming to bring the apocalypse.
He's got his four horsemen. You know, you got Moyam McTaggart being
like or no, it was Havoc where he's like, oh, I guess
he got that one from the Bible, right, four horsemen. It's like
or the Bible got it from him. Like just like this like big legend
build up. I feel like that actually hit, which is like he's coming,
especially the start that they have just like this ancient ancient mutant so just
kind of like set the like the playing field there of like you know,
right, star of the movie, this is gonna be your big threat comes
from ancient Egypt essentially, and it's you know, it's it's not just Bob
Hydrobob or something like another bad guy villain or something. Yeah, so yeah,
I feel like that was really great. I liked actually his inception in
like the modern time where he has just like the hood up. I don't
know why. I was just thinking of like Whiplash from Iron Man two,
just like that sort of like guy with the hood going through the village there.
Well, especially like I feel like he's hiding his face but not to
like not to the best guy's like honking at him, and it's just this
like giant blue faces. They've made all scrit SI's No's like eight times bigger
in this movie because the makeup and just like no one knows until he takes
off his hustling and then I guess they do live in a world of mutants,
right, so you would take it off. But I just feel like
I guess, so yeah, I guess I guess they got Nightcrawler, right.
I just feel like we're still the point where that would be like a
shocking thing, right to It's not like there's other mutants around in that scene,
Like it's not like he is the one standout individual in the entire area,
but even the mountains there, they like blend in more and more or
less, right, well, yeah, and like in that alleyway when they're
like messing around with Storm and he takes off his hood again, all the
bad guys are, you know, the jerks, they kind of just act
normally like oh, it's like they're a little off put for a second,
but they're just like, oh, it's just just another mute And I guess,
which means have been around for twenty years at this point. So I
guess maybe I can say that they've just seen a lot, but I still
feel it would be somewhat intimidating to see this guy. But it's just he's
just roaming the streets doing his thing, you know. Yeah, So like
from that point on, I don't think it was just like straight downhill.
It was just kind of at a consistent level for me. I didn't love
his his horsemen, uh really at all, and just kind of it didn't
seem like he had a grasp or like a full like power fist on them.
It's just like, yeah, they can kind of do what they want.
I kind of buffed them, whereas in the animated series it seems like
they're kind of tied to him, like his will is there commit or vice
versa. Yeah, yeah, no, like so that that I wasn't really
expecting. I couldn't really remember the horsemen actually at all. You got Angel,
Silock, Magneto and Storm and story right, yeah, they never say
your name, and then everything Storm, Okay, it's that Storm. I
guess she's going to school now. Yeah, I have problems with that later,
but we'll get there. So yeah, and then I I think like
later on, I just wasn't really a big fan of his, like obsession
with Charles and like the mind tribute moments they had with them, they did
make them big, I guess at at one point even though it was a
dream sequence. Yes, so I don't know. It just it never really
reached like good or great levels. I will say too, I feel like
something that really maybe brought down my old all enjoyment of the film in general
is I did a double feature. I did Logan first and then this,
so it's like, yeah, without achieved. My tears are like not even
dried up for the ending of Logan, and then I put on Apocalypse and
it's like, okay, Egypt, this is good. And then it just
like oh man. Yeah, the cheesy, corny like humor in it too.
It was just making me laugh. But it's funny. I don't even
know why I did that either, because today I did the same thing you.
I watched the Logan and I did that, and I don't have any
reason because Logan is like in twenty seventeen. I just like, I don't
know. I get maybe the ideas well. I want to get to Logan
already, you know, I want to watch that one first. But I
think you were right where. I think he's just consistently the same level of
not great and not like bad. Like I would never talk about him in
like all the all time bad villain categories. He's just kind of fine.
And I think one of my problem too is with the Horsemen is you know
who does he link up with first Storm? Right? Yeah, because he's
walking each like with Magneto. I can believe, right, because he's That's
why it's my nickname hate when he grabs the TV and storms like what are
you doing? And he's like learning the right the fifth element when you have
Mila just like war and just like getting all this like history and knowledge.
That's really like I get what they're going for. But sometimes he seems like
a big idiot. But okay, I can get why. When he sees
the TV, he sees Magneto and he sees, okay, this was this
like powerful mutant lead or whatever. I want this guy. But Storm he
just kind of like bumps into in an alley. So all right, I
guess you just need somebody. So that's fine, Storm, So then you
have my goddess seems says that right. And then when they go to Calban,
he's like, oh, we're looking for very strong mutes and Siloc puts
a sort up to him and he's like, yeah, you can come along,
like yeah, yeah, Like there's no interview process, there's no nothing,
and it's not, like we clearly see later on, Silock's not a
threat to his life, so it's not like, oh, she has something
that could kill me. That's that'd be good to have on my team.
So they're not against me. It's just kind of like I need super strong
munes. Oh my friend's right here. Yeah, I'll take her. Let's
go. And even then like this it's fine because like Angel and the Calm
books becomes h a like a horse death of what am I saying here horsemen
and death horse what is the horsemen? Yuess? But is any death is
what? I don't know which one he is. I think you're right.
I think there's like death, pestilence something else. Yes, yeah, stuff
like that, the mushrooms, you know, that's another apocalyptic element. But
she's just like, hey, I have a friend, and and then she
goes, well he didn't flying more, and thinkings like I feel other than
Magneto. They're just very they they find them for very like just they happen
to be there. I wish it would be more deliberate where Apocalys comes back
and he's missing for even for a little bit in the movie, and then
he comes back to all these people being like, hey, he's looked around
a little bit, and he, for some reasons deems these four people as
the strongest or that would suit best on his team. But we don't we
don't really get that. He just finds them, and you know they I
don't know, they look cool enough. Angel gets like metal wings, that's
cool. Silock's sword gets bigger and he gives her like skimpy lingerie, so
that's cool, Like put this on. Yeah, I would do that if
I'm making a team too, like of course, the you know, Storm
gets white hair and then Magneedo just like gets super like jacked up outfit.
But Kyle, what did you feel about the uh, the kind of recruiting
of the four Horsemen and just the four Horsemen general, because he got Magneto,
Silock, Angel and Storm. Obviously, Magneto had been in previous films,
so we had met him a bunch, but these other three were newer
to this version of the cast. Yeah, it kind of felt like,
you know, like a heist movie and it's like, oh, I'm gonna
get the game together and it's like beating one person at a time and like
slowly, like going to the beats. Now. I want Apocalypse to be
played by like Ben Stiller or something like that. You know, I want
to see that movie. But yeah, we're stealing Charles Xavier's mind just like
cool music and everything. That's kind of what it felt like. That's why
it was like kind of off put in it. And I felt like also
that we were just like, you know, you met these characters so quickly
and we're kind of just skipping through them of like, yeah, here's this
person. Quick synopsis. But not really and just like off to the next
Yeah, but I like, you know, it's hard to do in Wall.
You had two and a half hours, but you don't want to get
too much in depth into those characters, I guess at the beginning. But
you know, I think you hit the nail on the head there. It's
just it just feels the characters kind of just lack and like power of what
they should be having really compared to Apocalypse or you know, like they just
like it just sounded like it feels like it was like the first four people
he found was good enough, like other than Magneto, who he saw the
news, So I'm like, okay, I can buy. But even then,
like you said, he still just saw him on the news, right,
so it's like he just like, Okay, that guy is good.
He could be dead, Like what if Magnia was dead, who's he gonna
go after? Like imagine if Magnia's daughter's still alive. He's like, I'll
take the bird, lady, I'll take the bird kid, like you come
with me and everything. But and that's one thing I'm sorry for anybody that
has been because there are his people. I thank you very much that have
been listening to us since twenty sixteen, they're still with us, so this
was a broken record when we were reviewing news and trailers back then. I'm
gonna say now that this movie is about getting the like the Fox original X
Men together, right, like Cyclops, Storm, Jean Gray, Like,
this is their origins of how did they get on the team. That's why
I think it's a problem to do Apocalypse with this, because one, I
hate that it's like their first outing and they beat Apocalypse. I get it,
we'll get their gene goals into the Phoenix mode yet da da da,
but whatever, I hate that this is their first time they take down the
big bad Mute and much like you were saying, Kyle is, oh,
you don't want to spend this time with the Four Horsemen. If you were
to do a movie where you meet these X Men and you establishment with them,
and then in the sequel, you could have time with that four Horseman,
because you don't have to all these new X Men, right, Like
that's the problem. They're splitting the screen time between so many new characters of
the Apocalypse, the some of the Horsemen, some of the new X Men,
and then you have all the screen time of the Ogs where it's like,
uh, cut, you got Charles Beast, more Tiger and Mystique,
you know. So it's like there's so many characters that that's where my biggest
complaint too, is with the cast. It's like, I like the actors
enough for Gene and Scott a Nightcrawler, but I just feel like there's still
it feels like a TV version of the movie where there's stuff missing and they
had to chop it down. And Jubilee she's fine, she's like in it
for like she didn't get to be on the team. She's just like there
to drive them to the movie. And that's about its series. Yeah,
exactly. So I think that's the thing where it was always a mistake to
do Apocalypse and a horseman team like right off the bat for the X Men,
because they should be established before we start introducing all these other characters.
But they but they don't. And uh, like we talked about, yeah,
we get a flat I like the flashback and not or not flashback.
Guess the movie opens and like Egyptian Times, and I like I like that
enough. It's you know, they're protecting their master. I really don't have
any like cons or masks like major praises. I like it enough, you
know, So yeah, I like just showing again for like the general audience
kind of hit like he's just ancient and like hit what he is just gets
passed on to like a new form. And then of course it like ties
into later on when he's trying to take Charles's forum, because if they didn't
show that, it would just kind of be like, well, this is
weird. He just he wants to rock, you know, James McAvoy's physique,
I guess his new persona. But yeah, a handsome guy, I
guess, but I don't know. He's gonna be blue again. The original
Horsemen as well too. To kind of go back to how how the new
ones were the old ones they actually like were trying to save them because they
like looked at him as a god. Meanwhile, these guys have just looked
at him as like You've just given me great power, So I guess I'll
hang out with you. So yeah, it's like I was hanging out with
this guy for a little while. They're not that loyal, you know,
angel, you know, like we'll get there. They lose their fights and
all these things happened, But before we get there, so that happens,
and then we'll go to I guess Raven first, she's around. Nice little
tribute to the first X Men, where nightcrawlers fighting in a cage. You
get to see blow up. Here, you get to see a Nightcrawler an
Angel fight here. This is how Angel loses his wings. So rip to
the wings. I'm not sure if they could grow back or not, but
I'll see he gets them back later for evil reasons. But uh yeah,
I this plot line of Raven being this kind of mutant savior is not my
favorite. I've said this before. I'm not a big fan of the mystique
character in this type of role. And as I've said before, I don't
think Jeffer Lawrence is bad per se in these movies, but I think she
looks like a little I don't want to say checked out. There's just something
It's almost like a bock lips. There's something. There's something missing here.
But uh kirk any thoughts on Jefifer Lawrence in this movie and just mistee.
Overall, she's because of the events of the Days of the future past.
She's like looked at it as like this savior for the munes, which I
think they just kind of say and name and show us some posters, but
they don't get into it too much. I like, I like both versions
of a Stake that I've seen, whether it be like the old Fox movies
where she's just pure evil like anime series pretty much that aligned as well,
but I also like this version of I don't know, it's just the tie
between her and Charles, and I really like I can't remember if his first
class, it was probably first class, right when they do like the flashbacks
of little Charles in the Mansions when she's like, like, I really like
those scenes. So I feel like the fact that I've had that it helps
supplement my feelings on her, like later on of her, like actually joining
the team again, just being with Charles, like just just that whole aspect
of it. I felt like it was, I don't know, just a
nice ending I guess to this movie too, how like she is working with
the team. She's kind of bounced between Eric and Charles throughout these movies,
but I don't know. I liked how it went, and the fact that
she is this like savior of the mutants. I do like that more so
just because She's a very easy symbol to have. You just got the blue
lady, you know, like, Okay, that's it, that's our We're
putting her on our flag, as opposed to like, I don't know half
for example, right like like just a white guy, you know, like
it stands out a little bit more like yeah, blue lady, blue lady,
orange chair were with her, Yeah exactly. And like also, I
do like the the personal I guess dilemma that she has with like her own
image of like she always tries to hide herself. Like I do like that
kind of flaw that she has with herself. I guess you could call it.
So yeah, I do like it. I think I think i'd give
her performance a little bit more than you're checked out label that you gave it
to her, but definitely nowhere near her peak that I've seen her by any
means. But uh, it was it was. It was good. It
was good. It's tough because I'm trying to think of, like what my
least favorite Jala performance is. It's it's not like there's a clear obviously one
I know, yeah exactly, That's what I'm trying to think right now.
It's probably one of the games movies, just because I don't like it,
but she probably is still really good in it. But Kyle, your thoughts
on a mystique in this movie, I think she's not too bad of a
character. She kind of just goes back, as Kirkland said, kind of
goes back and forth between Magneto and Charles. So it's kind of nice to
have that bit of a balance of that, you know, the neutral person
kind of pushes through that. So I don't I don't mind it. Like
again, it's not like obviously, it's not like her best performance or any
like, nothing even close, and I don't think she kind of maybe would
have might have been checked out. But at the same time, didn't she
like hate wearing the blue suit? Did they write that more into her character?
I think absolutely yeah, because like in this one, I think she's
full body blue a couple of times, but most of them when she's blue,
it's with the gear on. That's just her head. So I feel
like, because you can do obviously just the head makeup. And then in
the Dark Phoenix they kill her off in like the first twenty minutes or so
or whatever, so they they make sure like she's not in the blue too
much. So I swear even this time when she was in the blue one
time laying down, I swear I saw a zipper or something like that.
So I think they did some additions to the suit, which fair enough.
I imagine no one would want to be like painting up like that all the
time, right, Like that does have to be the aspect of mystique that
must suck. It's just like you're just your whole body's painting blue all the
time, and you gotta be in like ridiculously good shape too if you're doing
like the full just you know, nude mystique, which they don't act like
it's funny because in the comics she still wears clothes, but an x Men,
for some reason, they've just decided like, well, she's gonna be
like nude in these kind of you know, like she wears real clothes like
a yellow shirt or something. Well, no, but like think about like,
okay, it's not regular, right because even xt men amates her.
She's like a skull on her belt. But think about that, like she
had had like an outfit. She's not just walking around butt ass naked.
Yeah, that's so she's got a dress or something. She got like a
superhero fit. I's supposed to just nude because that like started, I guess
with the Fox movies, like the early early ones, I could there might
be some comming out there, but she's always had like clothes to me,
so and then yeah, we meet Nightcrawler. There's no mention of her their
lineage because there's awesome people that don't know that is her son. But they
these movies love doing that where they introduced this and they don't talk about that.
They don't talk about Magneto and Quick Silver being father and son. Another
thing that I'm sure people heard me complain about for years, But I hate
that you have this whole movie building towards this character wanting to talk to his
dad, and then then now you gonna tell him, ah, maybe one
day. It's like it's so much worse than I remember it being. I
remember hating it back in the day. But when I was watching, I'm
like, I just can't believe that they made the decision to do this.
And then like following up in Dark Phoenix, nothing fucking happens there. Like
it's just so crazy to me that they're like, yeah, I'm gonna go
there because he's my dad and like that started in Days of Future Past,
right, Yeah, always hainted that because he's like, oh my mom knew
guy I could do. That's why he's going to the school, like like
to get this family and motivation. He's like, I got to get to
this guy. Finally gets that guy, and it's as if he forgets his
lines and it's a stage play. And then they just like carry on the
story because they say to him, looking Jennifer, Lawrence looks at Buddy and
he just freezes, and then it just keeps going and and then Eric like
is making decisions. It seems like I feel like if if my son is
on the X Men, that's another reason to turn to the good side,
right, But like they don't even have that discussion and he still turns to
the good side. So it's like why even like try to build up in
that path. Oh I I yeah, it was so horrendous to see here.
It was so much worse. I was expecting it. And I just
feel like they don't give us a reason for him not to say anything.
You would think they'd do something and then like, oh he shouldn't say something
out but it's like this would be you think Okay, next movie, next
movie is getting there. That's why they're gonna do it. And they don't.
They don't even interact that movie. They never and I don't know why.
That's like a cool thing for viewers and just oh yeah, why are
you here? Because my you're my I'm here for my family too, you
know. And even though like I get Mystique's plan of you know, come
with me because Magneil's in this big metal ball and the ideas made to talk
him down. If you say, you know, that's your father, maybe
he'll stop. But it's like, I don't know why that would stop mag
you know, doing what he's doing. I want them to do the storyline.
I get why, but like at the same point, it's like his
design is to kill the humans still at this point, right, even if
Quicksilver has says his son, they still like killed his wife and child,
right like him and his son actually doesn't change much. I wish they would
find some sort of way. It'd be different if I a poxs was fucking
him up and then he's like, well that's my son, and I got
a change. But Apocalypse, I do appreciate that they find a way to
I guess take him out because he is fucking because I remember Day's a future
past. Everyone's like, well, you can't have this Quicksilver on the team
because they made am so overpowered with the speed. What are you gonna do?
And you know he sees him and he breaks his legs. I'm like,
Okay, that's good enough, But I expect overall they just should have
maybe never introduced the sun Father storyline if you're not gonna do really much with
it at all. But I hope in Secret Wars because we're in Hugh Jackman
back and we're getting to me back. Well, when I was seeing the
whole speed scene in the expansion, like, man, I hope we can
get Evan Peters back as Quicksilver. Not what happened in Buana Vision. No
Ralph Boner, because fucking Ralph Boner. Man. Evan Peters has been screwed
over his whole Marvel career. But I'd love in the middle of Secret Wars
to get a Quicksilver like scene. But Kyle, you got any different thoughts
on us as far as quick Silver ring, Neil, do you have a
pitch of why it works? Uh? No, I have no pitch to
be honest, I feel actually looking back when I was watching this movie is
that I felt like I needed to rewatch the future past to remember what needed
because I kind of forgot that that that was the whole storyline. It's it's
only mentioned like kind of it's actually I say, it's just hinted at.
So it's not a big storyline, but it is hinted at that their father
and son. Yeah yeah, so no, I would agree with you guys
almost the same amount here pretty much. I guess to be honest, if
I feel like you think he's a lot because he talks about but really it's
just a storyline that's hinted around. But uh yeah, Peters, he's just
I love him in the role. And I really like the X Mansion scene.
That's tons of fun. I still liked his future pass better, but
everything from the dog of the pizza and everything, I think it's a really
cool scene. Oh yeah, definitely a highlight of the movie. Yeah,
okay, let's let's talk about Jeans Scott here. So we meet Scott.
He's in his class, of course, his eyes are rich and we got
the classic like Toby Maguire Spider Man War. It's different because these guys are
in high school, but this guy, for some reason just fucking just chirping
at him, talking girl talking about girl. Bro. Yeah, and then
Scott comes back with the weirdest thing. He was like, what do you
you look? He looks old to be her father. But it's like when
they show Sean's like he just still looks like a kid, like Scott's age,
Like, it's not like they're in college, and this is like an
older guy that went back to school. It's like they're boaches in high school.
But either way, he goes to the washroom. The bullie decides he's
gonna fall him in the washroom, which you know, who knows. I'm
not gonna read into that at all, but anyway, so he's going in
there, and of course this is when Scott's optic blast pops off and he's
introduced to her Mary van I Munes. His brother Havoc brings him in,
who you know, has a more fourship power comes from the stomach instead of
his eyes. I would rather take Scott's is cooler, I guess, but
for life purposes, I would rather take Havocs where it's in the body and
not the eyes. But so he gets there, we meet Beasts, who's
still played by Nicholas Hoolet. At this point he bumps into Jean Gray and
he bad mouse her about like I don't know, wanting a weird girl in
my mind. Of course, the second he Caesar just completely gone. She's
not weird, and Moore, she's hot. And there's this moment that I
really don't like either where they bumped into each other. He's just completely rude
to her, right, and then later on when they're outside, Charles like,
show me what you can do, show me what POWs Hey takes off
the tree and they have that joke about the tree, you know, my
favorite tree and my grandfa yet but then they shoot over to Jeane and she's
like wet as the sea. She's like, oh my god, like look
at this blast. But it's just like, why does him being able to
shoot lasers or an ompti blast from his eye changed the fact that he was
just a complete dick, Like it's so and I get it, it's yes,
because technically, remember people, Scott, his blast is not heat.
It's just supposed to be like a pusher, like it's not it's a blast.
It's not there's no hotness to it all. So the movies get that
wrong all the time. But that's where I hate that, where it's just
oh yeah, she's just like yeah, get out of here, like I
don't like you. And then he shoots one tree and she's like all horny
for the guy she's he sees her with glasses, he's all horning for her,
And that's your development. It's just like ooh, she looks hot and
ooh he has cool powers, you know, like I almost wish it was
something elsewhere, you know, like Scott can be arrogant, but to me,
Scott's never too much of a dick. I wish that they actually he
actually liked her when he was blind, and then when he gets those glasses,
he's like, well what a bonus because she's also good looking. But
it just feels like if she wasn't hot, h they wouldn't start talking,
you know. I agree with you. I definitely wish that they bonded over
something like to actually like connect on a character level, as opposed to,
as you said, big optic blasts and then just fucking long legs whatever the
hell he saw with the with the ray bands on. So I think that
was a missed opportunity to really also just like show a fantastic telling of like
what makes that relationship so strong and why they are, Like you know you
have you have her him and Logan, but like there's a reason why,
like those two are like an item for so long, right then, I
think they really had an opportunity to just show like a like a great first
meeting of that or maybe just like various other like this is like a two
and a half hour movie, maybe just have more moments of that. But
as you kind of laid out earlier, Travis, like we spent time introducing
character on like a split level of like we had the Apocalypse people and then
we had the New X Men. So it's just like a lot to kind
of have set time to like have those characters. So yeah, I definitely
agree with the sentiment where it could have been better. And again, like
before Kylegoes, with these movies, we'll get there. But she has a
moment with Logan, and that feels like that has more Like I know,
it's weird because Sophie Turner is like a twenty year old girl on Hugh Jackman's
nearing fifty, But it's like why does she have more chemistry in this one
scene than she does with Scott the entire movie. You know, like they
don't they don't give them a weird girl. Get out of my head,
that's what That's what Logan say. Because again with with Dark, you know,
he's like like he's a Then with Dark Phoenix when we jumped ten years,
they're just in love. So you don't see any of that. And
she's like, well they fell in love along the way. But uh,
yeah, Kyle, what do you what do you think about the Scott Jeene
the relationship? Obviously you were a Game of Thrones fan like most of us.
You got Sophie Turner on here, which I think I think at the
time we all thought it was good casting. I thought we all thought that
she was probably gonna be playing this role for like the next decade or so,
and that that didn't exactly pan out. But yeah, Kyle, would
you what do you think about Scott Jean to the leader of the X Men
here in this movie? No, I agree with you, guys. I
feel like they kind of missed the boat on that and they just skip through
this whole relationship, and even at that, like at one point you know,
he was like the new kid at school and it's like, oh,
the new guy type thing. And then like the next scene is him like
with the gang and I'm the cool new guy at school and everyone goes shopping.
Let's go to the mall. Like you don't know America until you've been
to the mall or something like that. So I just thought it was weird.
But again, like it, it's kind of like the theme of this
movie where it kind of you just get through, yeah, you know,
scenes quickly because you want to get more towards the end, which is still
odd for a two and a half almost two and a half hour movie where
they skip over kind of so much with these characters, right, And that's
where in this moment. This is another scene that it's tough because I like
the moment I was referring to over earlier. I think it's cool, but
you have apocalypse. They come okay, so they want to get Charles.
They figure out, you know, they have the Charles also gets wet later
on when he feels apocalypse, like I've never felt power like this before.
But either way, so like I get apocalypse of surging through them all this
stuff, and I don't mind that. I think that's cool. Okay,
how do you create like this war almost nuclear war going on as you know,
apocalypse, Like Hijacks's mind, like, okay, I'm all fun with
that. That's a cool that shows how powerful he is. He's taking over
Charles, and then he kind of feels like, Okay, if I were
to get into his body, then I could just be doing that all the
time by myself, right, So for me, that motivation makes sense of
Okay, you want to take the body of a telepath, perfect, I'm
down for that. They go there, they kidnap, and for some reason,
Havoc's like the only one that charges for the rest of them. Just
kind of watch Charles get you know, taken, and like good on Havoc
even though you know RP. He gets taken out, which is like such
a funny scene. It's like ten minutes later or earlier, I should say,
where Mistike's like, oh, what's this and he's like, oh,
it's a war jet, you know, you know, after DC gotta be
ready, and then Q ten minutes later, this fucking jet is just explodes
and destroys the entire school. But I'd digress. The school's gone. We
had the quick silver scene and is maybe you guys can tell me, is
there any reason other than have a Hugh Jackman cameo in this movie to go
to WEAPONX for about fifteen to twenty minutes because I remember not liking this every
time I've watched. I like the scene by itself of Hugh getting out and
he's in classic weapon like that's all cool, like it's like in a bottle,
But the whole scene itself, it's like, I don't know if it
does anything for us to really go to WEAPONX. It just feels like it's
a weird side quest. It feels like in a video game when you it's
just like your wife's been kidnapped, and then you're like, oh, but
this guy wants a sandwich, so I'm gonna go make him a sandwich,
get it to him, and then I'll go back to the mission with my
wife. You know, it has all the time and video games, you
know. So so you're talking about like the whole us going to that area
or like the actual scene no other than this, let's take that. Let's
say the pitch was, Hey, we need to get Hugh Jackman this movie,
So take that out what does the WEAPONEX thing do for us in this
movie? Yeah, for like these characters not really anything at all, A
like it's it's I guess just continuity wise. It's kind of fun to pick
up with was it First Class or Days of Future Pass? I always mix
up the Striker guy, like when they when they get him at the end,
right, they like lift him up in the Future Pass. And that's
part of the reason too, that they lift on this cliffhanger and I think
they really had no idea what they were going to do with it, and
like, oh, I guess we should tie that up because the cliffhanger people
don't remember Days of the Future passes. Uh, Weabonex gets him, but
Mystique is posing as William Striker, so it's kind of messy. Oh wow,
I forgot about that. Actually, yeah, you're right retro we all
didn't like it. So the actual scene itself, I think it's fun to
just see Hugh and like the full weaponex urb and whatnot. So yeah,
like you bring up a good point. I feel like I didn't really think
about it in the moment of like why are we here? I think it's
because like the result was something that I liked. It was palatable seeing Hugh
there. So yeah, it's kind of funny because I think that was almost
my favorite part of the movie. That's why we went there. We went
for Kyle. Yeah, just like you know, I thought it was great,
But then Travis, I think you said it. It's just doesn't really
add anything to the movie other than maybe, uh Gene gets to like flex
on her scales on the rest of them and just kind of showed that off.
Really, and that's about it. Scott gets that terrible line. O.
I guess it's the last times. Hopefully it's the last time we'll see
him. Oh God, just Land I said this before. I hate how
many times it's just like, there's a beast in that box. It's not
a beast, it's a man. And then it's like, are you sure
it's not a beast? Like we get it, he's a fair old man.
Just just drop the line once. You don't gotta keep calling a manimal
beast. I understand, I do. Really, I hope I don't think
they will because in the MCU, who knows who's gonna play Wolverine. A
couple more times I haven't asked Kyle. You excited for Deple Wolverine. You've
seen that in the theaters. Yeah, definitely gonna go to in theaters.
Yeah, we're excited. What was the last comic movie you saw in the
theaters? Batman? The Batman so March? Yeah, wow, not you
didn't go see The Marbles eh Man too? The one to pull up?
Yeah, I just went for the Lowest Girls. But I wish I didn't
see it. That was a mistake, right, Yeah, yeah, that
that swarm off the m series like no no more. So I don't know
why I brought that up. Oh the hair. I love his messy ass
like wolf hair, and I hope they keep that in the movies because in
the movies he's never really had too much of long hair, but the comics
lots on his hair is like super long out so I kind of hope they
keep a version of that or do something where they don't go with the shore
kind of better looking spiky hair. I hope they give him something fairal but
I assume when they recast Hugh Jackman will be a good looking guy that also
just kind of gets spiked hair, you know, I don't think it'll be
looking like man. Yeah, but I like to look and I like it.
Obviously it's not because Kirkling, like you said, you just watched Logan,
It's not to the same degree of violence. But I feel like they're
trying their best to push the envelope of how violent they can get, how
scary they can get. And I love it feels like for a moment,
it's like we're watching Aliens movies right now, and it feels like it's almost
like that where Hugh or Wolverine is the alien. He's just going through halls
like massacuring marines and stuff. So I really like that, you know,
good scene. I agree, it doesn't fit with the rest of the movie.
No, it's just like to set up like, hey, Hugh,
Hugh's out there somewhere, you know. So uh and then so we get
that they all get together, they're a team. They get in the black
the Blackbird, and they're flying. We're gonna get our final battle here,
Kyle, how do you feel about this final battle here? The third act,
you got Charles and a Pauclives facing off and then each other's brains.
You got the new team trying to pop with some powers. You got them
facing other mutants, uh, you got Angel dies here, and that's part
of the reason why Storm turns because he's just like Ypap was like worth this,
and then Storm's like, well, I'm not gonna help him anymore.
And then Silock for like half the battle, just hides behind a rock and
like watches. I guess I'm not really sure understanding what she did. But
uh, what do you what do you think of the ending battle here,
Kyle? And you get Macneedle turning back. He's turning good, which we
didn't talk about. We Hintobell a little about he had a family. You
know they die. I you know that was and I guess you could tell
about that too. I think that was a well done portionless movie because it's
great to see he retired from doing the villain stuff and even then like he's
trying his best to be a human and he saved someone but his like repercussion
as well, now we're gonna kill your family, and it's like, man,
like, this guy really does just get the shit out of the stick
every time, and like, well, I should he be helping out humans
and everything? So yeah, I threw a lot on you, But what
do you think of the end of here? I think the ending was kind
of like the whole movie is trying to build up to this massive action sequence,
but it wasn't really much of like I guess the storyline. It kind
of just felt like, let's just throw as much action in CDI yeah,
And I don't know. I felt like I was kind of bored because there
was not really much going on, like for I guess dialogue or like more
character development. I guess they're obviously like you know, people do turn,
but it feels like very like simple. It's like, oh, well this
person died, Well, I guess I'll just you know, be on this
team now, like yeah, or like, oh h was it when Storm
was looking at Mystique getting choked out and she's like, oh, that's my
hero, my hero, which, like, at any point did she not
think her here even if she never met Mystique, did she thought her hero
was gonna be wanting to like genocide the entire human race? Like I don't
think so Apocalypse just picks the first four people he finds it, but why
does Storm go with it? Like they show that they're not zombies, So
I feel like she'd be like, hey, with my hero, my idol,
who shot Magneto to save the like president would he would she be down
for this? I don't think so, you know, like Magneto, I
get the turn is like whatever for Magneto, like your family, but it's
like you haven't seen these people in ten years man like like like drunk on
power. Really that's all it is. Yeah, and he just he's just
mad and wants to get back. But yeah, like I feel like I
can like somewhat understand if like he lost his family and he just wants the
whole world to burn, like like, I guess I get that motivation,
But like, beyond the early portions of Magneto, it just seems like he's
just in the He's just somewhere, Like he's just somewhere in his red suit
with apocalyp like like there's not really scenes that he has, like with Charles
or like something like I guess when they abduct Charles. That's like the one
time no really like Charles has passed out, like they get like I guess
when they possess it, right, because Charles is looking for him, and
then that's when Apocalypse possesses Charles and then yeah, you get that. I
never felt power like this before which that doesn't can see when he first reads
Magneto's mind, he's like, oh man, I'm so like he's better phrase.
He doesn't just say oh man, I'm so sorry, but he right
away feels like yeah, downy, but he right away, like Charles,
starts to cry and he can feel the emotion coming from Magneto like the experience.
So I do appreciate that. And again, everything with Magnito before Apocalypse
I think is really good. But a lot of that is just fast better
because he's just great in this role. Yeah, but I think that's a
great Like it's like somehow I care more about that stuff with him and his
family versus like the world being destroyed, right because they do such a good
job, Like I would love a whole movie of him on the run with
his family here. That's almost kind of what Logan ends up being. But
just like that, that is I feel like with the first act of the
movie, do you feel like there's hope for this movie to be great?
But it just continues to go down. So when you got any note specifically
on the third act the ending battle here, lose Angel he dies, Yeah
Angel? Yeah, I guess so I talked about Magneto talked about I didn't
really say Silock. I like that we have like like her actually being agile
and like kicking ass. I like the comic book accurate suit as well,
of course, but like she she we don't really have much with her other
than that she does like a couple flips here and there, and yeah,
it's kind of funny like she falls catches herself and then like just like passes
out or something or takes a rest, and as you said, she just
kind of wakes up behind a rock. And then there's a funny moment too
where after our two air quote good horsemen, Magneto and Storm like turn they
like they like regroup and land together and they look like look at each other
and like nod, like fuck, yeah, we did it. We we
beat apocalypse. And then it like goes to Silock and she's just kind of
creeping away, And for a moment I thought she was gonna like nod before
like running away. It just seems like a Saturday Morning cartoon type event,
but didn't happen. I don't know. It was again another thing that just
it seemed promising in the inception. I like the effects of her weapons and
stuff. All that looked really good. Angel. This is by far my
least favorite version of Angel I've ever seen. It is he's trying to shave
off his wings and everything, like, yeah, more than more than that.
I like like the father son like hard dynamic of that that one where
he's like so ashamed, especially his dad is in that political position. So
yeah, just a good guy too there. I don't like that age.
He never gets redemption here, he just he just dies. He's just kind
of broke and yeah, exactly gets his ass kicked my Nightcrawler in the early
portions of the film, like it's just it's just a whim pass. So
and then who's the last one I didn't talk about? Uh silaw oh Storm.
Yeah, it's funny because they don't really like say her name at any
point of the movie. They don't. They actually don't. I haven't Trivia.
They don't say her real name or Storm. So I was like waiting
for it, and then it's like, oh, maybe this is just another
weather hero that I I don't know about. And then it's like, okay,
this this has to be Storm, like eighties, you know, younger,
younger character. I'm like, I guess just this is the this is
the timeline that Storm is a bad person. But the turn is just so
weak, and that's something that ties to Apocalypse. I it just doesn't feel
like he's ever really in control of his X Men, other than when he
like first gives them that shiny toy of like now you can do this,
stops from just like flying away with their absolutely nothing. I guess feared that
he'll just get them. I guess that's something. But yeah, again,
it's just it's weak sauce. I don't like it because they got to do
the classic to defeat him. Well, they do do the combo thing.
Magneto throws like I don't know the most metal I've seen in my life at
him, like I don't know all this metal where it's coming and going?
But where the bridge and building? I get it he destroyed. It's okay,
but really who gets to kill them? Where is geeing Gray? Because
she turns into the Phoenix and they can't make up their mind because even in
the next movie it comes from space and the Phoenix force has always been a
mess in these ones. But you know, I don't actually mind the Xavier
Apocalypse dream sequence stuff like in each other's mind, like when they're fighting the
schools building around them and there's there's aspects and like you said, CROOKD,
that's the only time I can see Apocalypse big because Kyle most time in the
comics he's like like i'd say, this sounds like a giant at least sometimes
he can shrink down, but he's like usually a very I'd say he's bigger
than Thanos even but not in this movie. He's only bigger than Thanos in
a dream sequence. And you know that dialogue doesn't do off grids like any
favors, just like, oh, your kids are mine, Charles and your
schools like all that stuff like that, Like when Charles is on the ground,
he's bleeding, all that stuff he's saying and just like fuck, just
like take his body and be on, Like I feel like this is a
press saying matter like just like take it over and move on. Why is
he like talking about this? Why is he gloating? Like and that's one
of the characters didn't make sense. Is he God or is he just like
a regular usess with Charles. That's why it's just weird where it doesn't feel
like like everyone is below him. It's like I found you, Charles.
I've been hunting for thousands of years. I finally have. Yeah, that's
why it reminds me of like the early two thousands Marvel movies where it's just
like very plain uh like an antagonist character that's just like out to get the
protagonists or like the main characters, and they don't really add much other than
like really in depth like that what you said about It's I've lost my train
thought here, but all right, well end this out about Dark Phoenix now
that movie, yeah, yeah, you like the Fax movie. And then
yeah Apocalypse, he gets i know, get a bunch of metal thrown at
him. They knew again like pierces him with the X and stuff, and
then his skin gets stripped and again it's the Phoenix Force. It almost feels
like it's a bit too easy, like it's just like just okay that that
just happens, and then they go back and that's the Phoenix Force. Sorry,
like I haven't seen a good version of the Phoenix yet. I think
the X Men, you know, yeah, exactly that. One day I'll
have to jive into that. But it's just like, okay, Phoenix is
here. It's just instant killed anything. It's like, Okay, that's just
how it is. So now that I've like experienced that, it's like,
okay, that's on par I guess, except you don't want because it's the
same thing as apocalypse, Like why doesn't he just like cement sand people all
the time? Like remember where Magneto is, He's gonna I'm like, he's
gonna kill all these people, which I wonder what those people were thinking.
All they know is these police and to go arrest Henry. And then he
comes back and looking not happy, so you're like, man, we're so
fucked, like this guy. These guys just did like a fourteen hour day
at the fucking coal mine and now they got this guy coming in. My
favorite is they're all dressed like appropriately, but then there's one guy who's like
like naked and he has like a thing like like it's like really yet he's
super jack and he's like stepping up like he's gonna like take on Henry Eric
Lenchram a second, it's just like I don't know, dude, you just
saw this man move metal. But my point is, so they get there
and I like the moment where the portal comes through he's like, who the
fuck are you? And he's like, you won't stop me from killing his
men and literally just like his eyes turned white and they all go on the
ground and they're dead. They're stuck in the cement. Why is that not
like his first move every time? Like that should be the move. Good
question. At one point in the movie, he throws Scott against the wall
and he locks him up, but of course it's like perfectly around the back
of his head, his body, like why would you, like, what
are you waiting for? Just kill him? Just like pop his head.
So it's just like I was gonna say that even goes back to the first
part, the first guy he meets or like puts him into the wall and
his eyes are just like they're bugging out. Yeah, this is a bit
of his face. Like the second the X Men show up, you just
do that and it's over. Like maybe night Crawler could like get out of
it, sure, but the rest of them like that's just good enough to
catch Quicksilver. Like I feel like that is like if you can catch that
guy, you can catch night Crawler because he needs like a second of baff
out right, that's true, And I'm not sure Kenny baff of his whole
body. I was something that you know, his body was stuck, but
he still just get out of it all the time. So maybe maybe the
imagine he says things he can see or places he's been before, right he
eyes then, but that's all he's been before, right, So he can
also just yeah, go back to the expansion, just leave the team,
yeah, or Apocalyps could just lead with like again, he doesn't have to
like keep them against the wall. He could just pop their heads open with
some cements, but he doesn't. He chooses when to do that and everything.
There's also like, I don't know why. There's one moment it's weird
with Beasts when he's getting into the final fight. He like him and Scott
jump off this building together, but Scott just holds on to him. Nothing
happens. They just like make some weird thing. And it's the way Nicholas
Holt is like running. It looks off, but Mostique is down on the
ground and she's out and remember they have a past romantic relationship. But they
just cut the shoes on the ground and he like lands on her like face
was like we gotta go, and then he picks it. It was like
it's the weirdest fifteen second in the final flight of like this jump off the
building where he's Holy Scott, but he doesn't do anything like Scott stills,
lands on his knees, He's like creeping around. He's like cover me,
Scott doesn't really cover him. And then he's just like a missionary position just
pounces on Steak where it's like this is close to an assault, very weird
combo. And again, as I've said before, I always feel bad because
I love Nicholas Holt and the men. You love him fast and No,
not fast and furious. Matt Max, I'm gonna love. I think he's
gonna be a fantastic Lex luthor. I think he's gonna knock that out of
the park. I was very happy he was not Batman, I said,
for you know, the whole year, we don't cast about that. That
rumors like I don't want that. And again I feel bad that I just
I just don't like his Hank McCoy and beast. So it's just nothing.
It just feels like a dude. Well one, it just feels like a
dude. I don't feel like there's much emotion of this character and when he's
beasts, it's just feels like Nicholas Holt in cat makeup, you know.
So my yeah, Like I definitely prefer my gosh, what's his name,
let's let's Kelsey Grammar, Kelsey Grammar Leslie. Yeah, I definitely prefer that
version. Again that that's pretty similar as well to the kind of what you
get in the animated version, the animated versions of the Peak version. Yeah,
it's fantastic. I I think my favorite Nicholas Holt beast like portions is
when like he is just Nicholas Holt, like the scientist in the Mansion,
because it's like it's early of this guy being like a smart person, right
like later on Hank McCoy, Like, I just feel like he's super wise
and like a seer, almost like an oracle type, the type like he's
always speaking in riddles and like quotes on like ancient philosophy, it seems,
and this one isn't really doing that, but I feel like it it makes
sense because he's just younger, you know, maybe he doesn't really have a
lot of that h that that inner thought. I don't, I don't know,
but that's that's my favorite version of that he's just the fuckings. He's
just Frank and signs Moss. He's like Charles. So yeah, that's like
my favorite version of the character. You don't get a lot of that in
this movie. You get more of it in First Class to his future past.
Another thing that you know. I like I was mentioning with Mystique and
Jay Law. I liked her kind of inner turmoil with her just wanting to
show her true self. And I liked how she bonded with him in like,
my gosh, first Class, help me remember what days of Future pass
is that when that happens, when he's he's trying to hide his blue feet
is first Class. Yeah, okay, yeah, so I like that aspect
of it as well. But yeah, it's uh, he's my second choice,
I guess, or third choice whatever, not first and anyone have anything
to add on more McTaggart, Kyle, you got anything there. I definitely
didn't know who this character was first time we went to live action, like
the first time I saw it. Now that we've gone through animated series,
say, okay, Moira here she is my old flame, as Charles would
say, I found it kind of like weird in hindsight, we even like
wiped her memory because she's just kind of like the same role that she was.
He just didn't want to know about the mansion, even though he first
movie does his taker. I guess, so, I guess you're right,
And like, thinking back on that scene when he kind of wipes her mind,
it is a nice touching sequence, but was his plan to wipe it
again When he's like in Cerebros, like, don't I tell anyone about this,
it's like, well, remember we fucked, and then after that that's
when he wipes it again, and then yours remember that son of yours on
The Father. I like seeing Rose barn burn burn, especially after we saw
that Heath movie. My gosh, remind me what it was called hands something
right? Two hands? Yeah, right, two hands, there's a we
doesn't sound right, but you're like, right there, I don't know if
that's my right hand. Is that it? I'll find two right hands,
I don't know. Whatever. It was. So to see her there like
really young and it's just got two hands, the two hands, Okay,
there you go, see her there really young, And then obviously I've seen
her in many things since then, so it was just kind of I think
that's the last thing I saw that she has, like she's been, not
that she's been in, just last thing that I saw that she was in.
Yeah, so if they're not, yeah, nothing going on, she's
waiting, you know. But yeah, I just found it weird that it's
like she's like the same position kind of that she was in in the first
place, and then now they just got memories back and it's as if it
never happened. But I would have just killed her off in the opening of
the movie, to be honest, I would have just done that. She's
another character where like there's so many times in the final fight they just go
to and she's just like looking, they won't stop him. He's too powerful.
It's just like she's just alone in some green screen room just saying these
lines like half a pallclipse kill her. Charles feels a little hurt because that's
a love of his boom done like she was when we're already don't have room
for the Apocalypse team and the new X Men team. That's we don't need
miss matag right here, you know, but you're right there. She was
so and I was just like I put in my notes, like how would
you feel if you're mortal, Like, imagine that, like you had this
love and this wiped your mind? Like how would you be fine with that?
If you know, an X shows up on your doorstep and you're just
like, oh, I don't know you, and then like touch your mind
you realize you had this lationship five years of five years five years, but
at least some loving relationship, would you understanding? Kyle? Absolutely not.
That would be pretty weird. Yeah, it could be like a potential mind
break moment, right like you're just like, what has my life been?
Like? What else has been fake in my life? Right? Like you're
just I feel like I would just be thinking about that and then I have
like an existential crisis. Everything is a lie, yeah, and foil half
the rest of my life exactly. We're living in the matrix. Think mine
wipes every movie she saw, so like the first time, it's you know,
oh my god, I can't believe it. My thing could be mind
wipes where she like keeps her keys, so for months she's just looking,
I can't find my fucking keys. Like imagine if he screwed up, but
you know he didn't. My last like note that I have is I hate
the fucking X Men suits. Like I know notoriously Fox X Men's known for
their bad suits because the black leather and everything, and in the first class
suits. I'll take the first class like blue and yellow suits over these.
I'll take the black leather over these. Just this like armor that I don't
even think he has like an X on it. It just looks these the
suits are wearing look like the goon suits. Like if I was in a
movie like here's my Henchmen. They come out, they're wearing this like they
wearing yeah, like they have cooler suits like neose suits, cooler storms,
cooler, Silence is cooler, Angel's cool, like they got this school metal.
It's like they didn't have enough budget for the X Men, like I
get they want to make like a unit. And then at the end of
the movie they get new suits and obviously as memed as usual, surprise,
they don't get those suits. In Dark Phoenix they have new suits again,
so cool. A couple of quick notes, I'm not a fan of Scott's
ray band glasses, Like no, that's like you your birthday, so look
out like that us from this movie. It's just like their ray bands with
like like blinders on them. That's like what it looks like like no,
like cool unique design, Like they literally just bought a regular pair of ray
bands and then put on these like things around it. Yeah, there's not
nothing like special to it other than it's just a ray band. And I
feel like they figure out how do you fix the problem pretty quickly, you
know, I got I got this my second pair here, you can have
it. It's like super specific, like yeah all big oh yeah, A
couple of those couples remember Larry, Oh yeah, he had that power before
he killed the president. Yeah yeah, Larry's glasses. Yeah. And I
also did not like how like how we got bald Charles. It's just like
he just lost just loss. Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I just was not a fan of that. It was I knew he like
got bald between Now and Dark Phoenix. I just couldn't remember if he just
shaved it or or whatnot. So Macvoy's rocking some great hair in this movie,
though he looks like he g me in a like eighties nineties Dove commercial.
My god, he's looking a good exactly. Absolutely, He's he's feeling
good. He's having another first impression with his old flame, so yeah,
which actually think that is a fun scene when he's like, oh, nice
to meet you again for the first time, and he sees this picture of
the kid and he just right goes like, oh, does that kid have
a husband or just sorry to you have a husband. I actually like that
because then I do like Havoc where he's like trying to get him focused because
scumpink Charles, he actually doesn't really care about the kid. He's just trying
to find out she's fucking anybody, you know, Like he doesn't ask her
any questions about like he just says that your son, and then right away
it's all about husband, single, you know what's the deal? And of
course she's divorced. Like maybe I'm forgetting. They don't kiss at the end
movie, right, they're not even like together, right, No, I
think they do because he like reminds her of who he is. But do
they kiss in that moment or does he just reminder about the kiss? I'll
take a look, I'll check, because like I feel like, why even
remind her? Don't even worry about it? Like why fuck with this lady's
life? Like, and they don't end up together, so just oh they
must they must end up together. She's in Dark Phoenix. Okay, sure,
maybe they bang it out a bit, but I mean like every time.
Yeah, well I thought it weird when Havoc was just like, hey,
so, like, have you looked her up in cerebral And he goes
no, yeah, yeah, He's like, oh, but not during anything.
Uh you know, like like not disturbing. But he just which I
don't know how you would know, Like how do you think I'm gonna check
him more? And she's like taking a ship or something like that, like
you can't know like her schedule, but no, I just be like,
why even like ship schedule? Oh my yet check in here real quick.
That's the thing. Yeah, he's a peeping He's sitting on the chair.
You know, he gets he GE's excited when people are sitting on chair.
The whole world I can watch. He's like, let's go check on Eric
right now. Eric, can you hear me? And he's like Charles,
I told you, Like Charles it was phenom And all of a sudden you
just see like Charles face like Eric the X Men and I need your help,
like the scene from Blockers and John Cena like just staring at each other
because Charles in his mind he orgasms at the same time and you're like,
oh, I can feel what you feel. Orgasm like this so powerful about
you fucking a metal doll? Oh that would be the bed. He just
like comes in on anybody using the wash and just just Charles the purve.
But yeah, I just feel like, why they even make her do that
line. I'm like, yeah, but I'm divorced now, and I don't
feel like they like they're like endgame or anything like that, you know.
So I checked, and yeah, they don't kiss, they don't care.
He just like touches her face and it's like, I'm sorry, I took
those memories from you. And then she's like crying and then it just fade's
away. We don't see her again. They don't interact with their gonna so
weird. Why do they write lines andnot like are these storylines and just not
do anything with it? I don't, like, I know it sounds like
such a stupid easy question, but it is hard where it's just like I
guess maybe they just thought because like Rose Burne is a bit of a bigger
star now, so like because at that point she's in the Neighbors movies and
everything, so I think it was like, how can we get her back?
And let's just bring her in? Right? So yeah, I don't
know did they have like right they wrote her or like war and then just
like in post what now we're just gonna cut? Yeah it could be or
just even in the middle of like filming, like God, we don't have
time for this, so let's not do this or yet, like it's just
there's tons of stuff, right, So it's just yeah, it's it's it's
weird. So uh. And then my last note before we get into trivia
here is I hate that I get it because they even say, like,
oh, Magneto, for former Eric knows Magneto helped save against apocalypse, that
dude still helped murder like hundreds of people and he just gets to walk off
scot free. For me, it's like the dart Vader thing of like I
don't like that Dart Veair gets space Heaven. Magneto should not just be getting
to pimp off like have a good day, professor. It's like where's he
going, Like no, like he should be like he's got to do sometimes.
So it's going back to those construction workers, find their families finish off
what it's fucking little. The news is praising as a hero, and then
this just in like next day, Magno massacres entire Poland families. Like that's
I mean, like I just don't understand. It's so even Storm to like
a lesser degree, but Magneto, It's like, I don't know that that
man, he was doing a lot of damage, but no one just because
he killed Apocalypse, all is forgiven. So good for Magneto. The other
thing I was thinking about in this movie was Cerebro. I just I don't
understand why they don't just have like a like a nice disconnect, you know,
like an emergency stoff for this fucking device. Like he just gets trapped
in there and there's like nothing they can do. They have to call and
Havoc to just fucking blast the whole room. And yeah, yeah, I
didn't like that line either, But he's just like like he's got to really
destroy the whole thing, and he's the only one that can do anything.
Like if he's not there, Charles is just fucked. And I guess I
don't think this happens all the time, though, I think that's the thing.
This doesn't happen the Fox movie gets poisoned to like, it just seems
the very vulnerable that's in the future. That's the older Charles. Though actually
that's a different timeline because remember these so you know, maybe they learn from
this, they go, well, you know not. I just feel like
you can cut power in that instant and it just like deactivates cerebro. Like
I get like the fact that Charles's brain is like active and like it could
definitely damage it in that aspect. But I feel like the cerebro system could
definitely be shut down in a safer way than Havoc just Greakkavoc. And I
would like that line if they didn't already call him Havoc, like, oh,
that's a fun like tribute to the comics. But no, his name
is Havoc, like x me name's just like freak Havoc. But like,
I guess I'm okay because I like to take it's like it's Charles mind still
powering it, so it's like a battery. It's keeping it all. But
I'm not. I'm not defending it that much. You can have your issue
with it, and I'll say, yeah, I understand so but they get
out of there and then Havoc destroys the plane, so he dies. That's
it. Really. I have a note at one point when the kids kids
they go to the movies with Nightcrawler and they come out and they're talking about
how they just saw the third Star Wars MOVI. Yeah, and they go,
oh, the third movie is always the worst, and then I was
thinking about, oh, yeah, Xtra, it was pretty bad. It
was. And the reason they put that line in there is because that brought
the director who did the first who was gonna do the third one. He
didn't, so it was like a shaw that. But it's kind of funny
that this is the third movie of the New Class trilogy and it it is
the worst one out of First Class. Day's Future passing this, so it's
like, uh, that's like almost like a that's like a walking under ladder
throwing salt over your shoulder, like, ah, you should have done that.
Like they jinked themselves from that line this movie, because it's like,
yeah, this movie was like the it was the worst out of the three,
right. I still like this more than Dark Phoenix, but it's just
yeah, it's funny, So all right, some quick trivia. As always,
for the role of Charleston Xavier Jews, Macavoy shaved his head. It
was something he had actually done before starting to work on X Men First Class,
before he learned that the producers want him to have a full head of
hair and he had to wear extensions. So back in twenty eleven he shaved
it and I said, well, actually for day of work, guys check
it out. Guys check it out. They're gonna have hair. Which also
I went Kirkland where when the first movie started. At first I was like,
okay, maybe it is an acturate thing and they want to lead up
to it. Looking back on it, he should just be balled the whole
time. Mac Boy was willing to do it. He fucking did it and
split multiple times where he picked his head. So it's just like clearly so
like the way that he ends up when we start from First Class and now
when he loses his hair, I just wish he was bald the whole time,
you know, really do, but alas we have to explain why he's
bald. Yeah, people just yeah, he's not just bald, Like I
don't know, billions of people on the earth that has to be well,
this Egyptian possessed his body for five minutes and he lost his hair, like
and even then, why, like I would have loved it if like Charles
Wumbar all the Apocalypse had like Charles like his Maine, like imagine the full
end battle, just like and he's gonna chair yeah uh yeah, No,
I don't know why on one thing actually, just you're just reminded me of
when they're connected at the end. I also just I kind of laughed when
Charles has like the realization of like, oh, we're still connected, because
it's like it like shows him like so dour and out and like he literally
can't do anything, and then it's just like, oh now it's time.
Oh yeah we're connected. Okay, I'm gonna do this. And then he
just he just gets in his head. You know, it doesn't go super
well for him. A pocalyipse kind of gets the best of him. But
again, just like that realization of like wait a minute, oh he's fucked
now, and then he just goes into his mind and then he has to
call it Cheen for help. But like, and why wouldn't you feel like
they're connected Apocalypse throughout that whole fight is like it's over Charles, like he's
talking the whole time. But uh, this is the first time that the
Summer brothers appear on screen together. There. They had thought about putting their
third brother, Gabriel Summer's Vulcan, but they decided two brothers were enough,
which, judging by this movie, I think that was a good call.
Michael fast been fast better improvised the line as what you want from me,
which is very good moment. That whole scene with the family dying, great
great acting by Fastbender, just top tier stuff there. So yeah, just
just that scene is like a top tier I think X Men movie scene.
It's just in this movie, which is funny. But in the debris that
Magneto first lifts up from Aushawaz, in one frame you can clearly see the
coin that he used to kill Sebastian Shaw An X Men first class. I
remember that coin puts to the guy's head. Into those few movies you see
it for a second, So there you go. Brian Singer, the director,
chose Apocalypse as the antagonist to examine the origins of mutes on Earth.
His quote was, it deals with ancient munatism, origins of Mune state,
and the origin of gods and religion. There's a mixture of ancient religion cultism
in the character of Apocalypse, which I feel like they show, but I
feel like to choose the villain, say like, hey, these are the
reasons why. I feel like each of those reasons gets like a scene or
a line or two, and then they just move on to, well,
we gotta fight the big bad. Like I think there is that paragraph of
what the idea was of, like God versus mun et cetera. That's an
interesting idea, but they don't. That's not really the plot of this movie,
like, and that's not even the plot of like Apocalypse, other than
a few lines here or there. So I think there was a good intension,
but this movie did not betray that at all. To me. When
I read that quote, I was like, I think you missed the mark
there. So I already talked about Storm. She never referred to his first
name. Two other people that were considered for Apocalypse was Iris Elba and Tom
Hardy, which I would have loved Tom Hardy because you know, we would
have got some fucking voice in there that would have been like something weird and
everything. So Olivia Munt had originally auditioned for the role of Vanessa. The
producers and directors very light liked her a lot, but felt she wasn't a
right fit for the role, but kept her mind for down the line.
And obviously that's how she got this, Vanessa. Is that what you just
said? Yeah, so the girlfriend Deadpool she auditioned for that. It was
closed, but they just thought it wasn't right, but they'll keep her in
mind, and she got this. So what a trade could have been in
the Deadpool? It could have been the first right r MCU movie. But
here you are is a silog. But you know, you never know happened
at the time, You're probably like, oh, fucking xylog, this is
gonna be great. I'm gonna be back for a sequels and not so one
and done one and ma should be deb who knows? You never know?
Rights secrets, yeah, or secret wars right perfect. Oscar Iszen had to
dub almost all his dialogue as Apocalypse sounded too bulky under the rubber costume moving,
uh, or his bulky rubber costume moving was always being picked up by
the microphone, so much like we tell about the wind in our film,
adrenochrome. I guess the costume anytime he was talking was just like like make
a noise, So that sucks. He's just in a booth which is a
windy windy yeah. Uh. Sophie Turner became interested in the role, which
I don't even remember this when she received an overwhelming response from a fan survey
asking who their preferred choice to play the role was, which I feel like
was just because what people do, like, hey, they're looking for Alex
Luthor. Brian Cranston's bald and he's in Breaking Bad, the same thing as
like, at this time, Game of Thrones is the biggest show of the
world, and so if we turn as a redhead, oh, she should
be Geene Gray, which, like, I think Sophy turned as like a
good actress. But I'm rewatching Game of Thrones and it's great to see because
she gets better as the show goes on. But I don't think she's anything
out of the world, So I feel like it was kind of like stunt
casting. But I also don't feel like the guy that played Cyclops either was
good. And also I can't say that could just be the writing right because
they just weren't given too much so it's tough. But she summarized that her
audition in casting process was three months of hell, reading and waiting for her
next round selections. Towards the end, before she was cash, she became
more frustrated and didn't receive response from the producers. However, it turns out
the delay was because of her contract obligations the Game of Thrones and the producers
were just hammering it out. So the whole time, she like, there's
like a month or so where she had the role, but they wouldn't respond
to her because they had to clear it with Game of Thrones. So she
just thinks these producers are like ghosting her the entire time. Well, they're
like, couldn't say anything, I couldn't say anything, and they're just trying
to figure out her contract situation. That's pretty funny. So I got some
picks here for These are my last two trivia notes where it was sit here
So before her l Fanning, Chloe Great, Grace Moretz or Morteza, I
call her Hailey Steinfeld, Sercy Ronan, Daisy Ridley, Lily Collins, I
don't know. Grace, Caroline Currieus and Margot Robbie were considered for the role
of Jean Gray before Sophie Turner was Captain Margot Robbie, which this was twenty
sixteen, so same year as Squad, so I imagine it would have been
the same in that time. But like, let me just do a let
me do a thing here. So Margot Robbie, I'm pretty sure she's like
thirty three years she's thirty four, okay, ty Sheridan is he's twenty seven.
Okay, I feel better about that. So there's like there's seven years
doing Okay. I just felt like even in that time in twenty sixteen,
I feel like Margot Robbie is like a woman, and Ty Sharon in this
movie looks like a like oo, he's playing twenty so like he's playing like
a sixteen year old, so he's playing four years older. But still he
least can pass off as his team. I think I would have been taken
out if it's like Tye Sheridan with then like Marvel Robbie is like a seven
year olders than him as Jean Gray, the high school student. You know,
so and you know I don't like Suicide Squad, but I think it
all she made the right choice there, so is there anybody else from that
list that you thought would have been great Ronan Days, Ridley, Elf Fanning,
Seinfeld, Shortia, Ronan I think could just excel at anything. She's
just so fantastic. I think, yeah, I definitely think she could have
crushed that role. That's my favorite one. I feel like it's just kind
of like a list of like like it's it's pretty spread out, like it's
not like they're all similar type of actresses or actors, like all feel like
they're I'm not even talking physically, they all just feel like they were hot
in twenty sixteen for the even like Daisy Ridley coming off Force wakens around the
team, right, so it's like, okay Colins, Yeah, which I
feel like she's getting bigg around that time. Chloe Grace Moretts, you know,
Hey, Steinfield, l Fanning, so Coyle, any when you like
from that list, No, I think so it was good. It's just
probably I think it's more and so the writing. Yeah, and for a
cyclops a list of Ben Hardy, who was the guy that was cast Angel
eventually, so he didn't get that, but he got an Angel, Charlie
Rowe terror Egerton who rumored turned it down, but apparently he was somebody up
there. Logan Lerman, Josh Hutcherson, Dylan O'Brien, Jesse Plemmons, and
my favorite one, which probably would make sense because he would have been a
big star, and I think it's not terrible casting other than I think he
had to bulk up a little bit. But uh, Timothy shallow May was
talking about Cyclaus back then before he was like anybody, anybody, and that's
a I don't picture. I don't picture my Cyclops, but I do like
after done, see how he could be like a leader, right, like
he play that role of so I see that element. But I don't know
if there's anyone I think Terry Egerton would have made sense. I'm not a
fan that people they want that for Wolverraine, I don't see it. I
don't see the fan cast. But even Hutcherson, I could have seen a
little bit that would have been funny, though I Hutcherson got it, and
then after Hunger Games you got Jennifer Lawrence and Hutcherson also in this franchise over
here. So it's funny because Terry Edgerton and this guy's name is I had
it, and that was Sheridan, Ty Sheridan. They look alike, right,
they look alike and I always get them mixed up. So it is
funny that you know it was rumored casting for that. So yeah, I
know I think this lad here Ty is uh. I think he's pretty solid
young Scott. I actually quite like the cast, like we don't really get
much at all, Like I already talked about his meeting with jee Gene there,
So yeah, I I don't know. It's just like Kyle said,
just better writing I think helps these characters a lot as well as their performance.
You could have put in like Daniel d Lewis and wouldn't done anything here,
you know. So I think I haven't really seen that guy in much
like I just hear he's fantastic. There will be blood. Last last link
wasn't he Lincoln? Yeah? Phantom Threat left the Games in New York.
I think maybe who's another one in that? Is that a Leo movie?
Oh? Yeah, okay, I have seen that build a butcher whatever,
he's fucking he's great. Yeah, Okay, that's wow. I kind of
forgot i'd seen that. Okay, interesting, Kyle, what would you give
this movie out of ten? As we end this cast here. Oh,
I haven't done this in a while. No you haven't. No, Yeah,
I'm gonna give it a four point five. Okay, failing, Yeah,
I'm gonna fail it. I think it was just a really long movie.
It I was trying to take touch on everything, but it missed the
mark on a lot of things as well too for me, So that's when
we give it four point five. It wasn't Yeah, I think it's just
too long for what it was fair enough, which is funny because we'd say
we want more time to characters. But I think it's just like what they
did with the length is the issue. And I guess that's where I go
because I'll talking right now. I'll give it a six. I could still
pass it. There's enough I like here. Really like the Magneedle family stuff.
I like the scene by itself of Wolverine and the whatever the weapon x
oh. I like the quicksilver stuff. And I still like characters in here.
I like Mac and Fast better in the role. I like Peter's in
the role. I don't mind some of the newer people. Yeah, Apocalypse
isn't great and it steaks all right. There's other things that are like more.
It's just kind of there. So that's why for me it's like a
six. It's like it's like, okay, it's pass. Well. I
think it's above like a just a fifty because there's some scenes in here I
really do like. But uh, that's that's where I'm about as a six,
So will you curric them? Yeah, this one's tough. I I
think I'm gonna just just barely pass this, like the weakest five I can
muster, like my my five barely made it to the finish line. But
but it got there. It's exhaust it's heaving. Yeah, Like I I
really don't like the Horsemen. Not Apocalypse isn't terrible. I I think like
the Magneto quicksilver thing, like it really brings down this Bat's for me that
it's just a lead up to that and it's just it's just so like eye
rolly they do that. But I do like Eric and his family in the
beginning. I like the McAvoy stuff there. There is I don't know,
like there's enough he like scenes here that are really well made. Scenes like
like the quicksilver in the mansion scene, Like that's that's just that's a fantastic
scene that they made there, and just like I remember watching like behind the
scenes on how they kind of created that with the camera. It's it's pretty
interesting. But yeah, no, I I think I will just barely pass
it. I assumed I was gonna fail it coming into it, but yeah,
some of those key scenes I think are just enough to kind of push
it over the hill there, but fuck, the wagon is barely holding on.
So yeah, well there you go, ladies, and Jim and Kyle
Smith, thank you very much for joining us again here to kind of complete
the saga here. It'll be maybe in ten years we'll do Dark Phoenix again
and get you back, but hopefully, hopefully soon when we can get you
on an after nine so you can catch up with everybody and just shoot the
ship and hang out with us. But yeah, thanks for coming back on
and talking some apocalypse and everything like that. So yeah, so yeah,
this is it for that, and then later on there'll be a Logan one
and then we will re release the Phoenix one that was me, Kirkland and
Dylan, which is I think a pretty negative review as well. So the
pack half of the X Men universe not too great, but I think we
got some good stuff happening, so thank you very much for tuning in,
and have an extraordinary day like dropping