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Hello ladies and gentlemen, and welcome
back to the X Men Retrospective. I'm

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the clown Prince of Learning trust now, and the man to my left has

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joined me is I'm a horseman Google
Bats, and the man at the bottom

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making a long awaited return, the
rate Master, mister Caspan, How goes

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it there? Yeah? Good yourself, Thanks for having me on again.

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Hmm yeah. So for people to
give some contexts that don't know, because

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Kyle's gone, you appear like Sprackley, an extra life here. You're an

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extra life this year. I think
you've done like one after nine since you've

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been back. Every time I try
to invite him, he's always busy.

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So hopefully one time we'll get you
on. But uh so, people that

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have been listening, though, is
we in honor of Deadpool and Wolverine we

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have re released the Xcellent retrospectives that
we put back like recorded years ago,

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and we're putting them back now because
around this time people sometimes ask like,

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oh, what are your thoughts on
this? Are your thoughts on that?

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So we go, okay, well
we recorded these God that was I think

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twenty seventeen, so it's like,
oh boy, that was how many.

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That's where I'm looking at seven years
yeah, no, yeah, seven years.

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We were two way before I say, seven years ago, so some

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of those casts. But that's why
now people might have been like, hey,

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I know Kirkland, I know Travis, but who's this third guy on

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there? But Kyle used to be
on a lot because me and him and

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another person who Liam, hosted two
spin off shows. And then Kyle actually

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had replaced Kirkland when he had gone. Kyle was a member of Geek for

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his for our year, so and
then that X Men retrospective was the weird

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timeline of Kirkland had came back and
then Kyle was on his way out to

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Australia because I remember it was leading
up to an X Men movie and you

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couldn't be on that review because you
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that. So it's we that's what
it was. Because I felt like it

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was so close to the time that
i'd seen it and you guys doing the

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cast. That's why I thought I
had already been on there. But yeah,

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I don't know, there's some weird
timeline and events going on. Yeah,

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but uh yeah, so we're here
to review Dark Phoenix today. And

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I think it's gonna be tons of
fun. Kyle, when was the last

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time you've seen Dark Phoenix? You
kidding? Mhmm, you're pulling my leg?

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What you serious? What can you
answer the question for? What?

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What am I serious about? Dark
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about right now. Yeah, I
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I thought it was supposed to be
watching Apocalypse. We are I just wanted

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to fuck with you for a second. Oh man, I thought I dropped

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the ball to because I set Apocalypse. You ruin the joke. You're in

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the joke. Oh, I can't
wait. Everybody else tell you what.

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I can't wait to show that the
tailor because Kyle, that's just me today.

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He's like, which is it Apocalypse
or Dark Phoenix? And I said

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Apocalypse? Like are you sure?
We Like, I'm sure we've done that.

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I'm like, no, we haven't. So that'd be great that on

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air to say Dark Phoenix too and
have them just for a minute to be

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like, are you fucking can?
I just watched a two and a half

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hour X Men movie for no,
he's in but yeah, to give the

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timeline, what happened was we did
this and we did it was we did

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the X Men retrospective and it was
leading up to Dark Phoenix, and that's

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when you went and Kirkland had come
back. We had already reviewed Apocalypse when

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we did that at retrospect, so
the timeline was Apocalypse come came out,

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and we did that X Men retrospective
after that, so we had already recorded

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it. But when I was when
I was re releasing these when people are

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like, oh, put them back
in the feeds. The Apocalypse won one.

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It was recorded with the old mics
where it was just we're sharing one

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mic, so that audio was always
yeah, yeah, it's always met.

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And then also on that one,
we consistently had problems of the mic cutting

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in and out, so I'm like, I don't really want to upload this

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one. So I thought, man, this would be a good time to

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get the X boys back together because
we did X Men one all the way

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to day as the Future pass so
and Kirkland was all Dark Phoenix. I

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don't need to make them re review
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we got an excuse to get us
three back together. So Kyle, that's

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what happened that you were not on
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that's where I will say, do
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and now how do you feel about
it years later in twenty twenty four,

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And that's occurred to Kyle. Sorry, Okay, I vaguely remember it,

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and I feel like, you know, a lot's happened in the last seven

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years, no, where I think
movies have changed, or maybe my taste

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of change. So it's it was
I think for me, it is a

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long haul of a movie. Now, but are you saying that do you

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feel like when you watch this back
when it came out that you enjoyed this

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movie? I think when I think
back, I think I enjoyed it,

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and now I look at it and
going, oh, this is like you

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know when we like go back to
like watching movies from like the early two

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thousand. She's like, oh,
it's a bit corny and they do a

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bit of weird things, but like
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I enjoyed it when I first saw
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get into it. In the review. It was twenty sixteen story, so

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it's actually been eight years since this
movie, so almost a decade since this

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movie has come out. But you're
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now the Apocalypse. I don't think
so. No, no, okay,

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we'll get into it, mister Pats
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And then have you watch Is this
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theaters it? Yes, it is
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that I've seen this movie, And
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it was somewhat better than I was
expecting, but worse than I remember it

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being so like it's a weird middle
ground there where I felt like Apocalypse himself,

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Like I thought the performance was good. I thought the character was really

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good, like from my memory,
you know, like Oscar Isaac before he

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really just became Oscar Isaac. And
even though this is a year after Force

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Awakens, which is is it actually? Yeah, of course twenty fifteen,

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he was a household name right after, but still he went from Poe to

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I guess ex Makna would have been
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And I don't know, like I
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like I really enjoyed, like of
course the Quicksilver sequence, Like I

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remember just that being like such a
hype moment in the theater, and like,

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fuck, I love that that scene. I love that character. But

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like you know, years have gone
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I've only heard certain not good things
about this movie, and so I was

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expecting, like god awful just across
the board. And I don't think it

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was all bad, Like there was
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liked the sequence with I mean just
Fastbenders. Magneto is just it's so great

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to see. So I really like
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and the early portions of the film. He kind of just goes away for

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like most of it after that and
then he's just around first meditating. Yeah,

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but I know, I like ones
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this Charles Xavier as well. Oh
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James James McVoy, So like that
aspect. It also just kind of

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reminds me of like Days Future Past
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this stuff. It's like, oh
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Like that's kind of what this movie
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get me excited for Dark Phenix because
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first time I had seen it.
So but yeah, no, I don't

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think it's all bad, but it
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recommend it. I think it also
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Men animated series and like seeing that
Apocalypse, yes, and then you get

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this and like it. I was
just like Chuckle and I felt like every

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time he was on screen because he's
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white eyes and really like white teeth, and it's just like, this is

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such a strange. I don't know
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don't know Oscar Isaac. Like,
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It's just like the whole design of
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and not good. The Four Horsemen
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yeah it was. It was an
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long. Kyle, do you know
what Apocalypse looks like in the comments or

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in the comics? Sorry, no, I will do a quick google.

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Well, yeah, it's worth a
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because I think this not think it
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which was two years before, and
that was Harold. That's like the X

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Men are back. You know,
we got that, and then in this

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I think before this, we yeah, because it was February, we got

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Deadpool. So back to back we
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So it's like, man, you
know, Fox, X Men, here

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we go. They're making a big
comeback, and Apocalypse was next. It's

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like, man, we're getting Apocalypse. This is you know, they're fanos

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big equivalent and I remember liking certain
things but having problems. I do you

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think I like it less, not
to a huge degree where I'm like,

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oh, this is like maybe what
Kyle might have gone to, where Okay,

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I don't know if I can enjoy
this now, But at the same

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time, I think I'll only there's
multiple X movies that I will go like

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a logan our Days of Future Pass
that I will just watch, or X

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two like because I want to watch
that one. I do feel this is

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the only one that I will watch
in times like this where it's like,

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oh, dead Pool Wolverine are coming
out, I'm gonna binge. The X

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Men movies you know, like that's
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I don't think there's ever gonna be
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seen it twice, and this would
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saw in the theaters. Think I
saw it once at home and when I

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was on Netflix with something, and
that was it. I've not felt the

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need to go back because there is
good moments at here, but I don't

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know. I guess they're just so. I guess it's maybe it's because the

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movie so long too. That's why
maybe it was a shorter movie like two

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hours with good moments. I would
return back to more. But it's like

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the the mass doesn't equate to the
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here. Like I have three moments
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But then, like I said,
is that worth watching all two and a

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half hours, I don't know.
Maybe it's more worth just a YouTube it

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up. So I still enjoy aspects. I don't think it's awful. I

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think there's a lot of things that
don't make sense. I think they stumble

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a lot with introducing those those new
X men. I think there's too many

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characters going on or maybe not enough
written for them, because you can movie

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like in Finny War Avengers and they
have big cast, but they can pull

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that off. But I just feel
like we meet a bunch of new X

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Men, but we don't learn too
much about them, and everything's kind of

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very surface level. So I think
that's an unfortunate thing. And Apocalypse is

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he's not awful, He's just I
don't know. I don't want to just

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say mid, I don't want to
say what the kids say nowadays, but

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just it's just fine, and it
shouldn't should be fine. He should be

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a little bit more and stuff,
especially myself, like I knew watching for

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in the comics, so like have
a big, you know, kind of

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expectation going in, but even just
watching it, like even if it's lower

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than expectations, it's just he's very
uns like the fact that it's Oscar Isaac.

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I usually I don't forget it,
but I'm just always surprised because I

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don't think of all, like I
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comic movie, I think of a
Moonnight or that's it. I don't ever

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think, oh, he was Apocalypse
as well, you know, And I

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know it's because he's caked in the
makeup, but it's uh yeah, there's

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just something with that villain that's just
there. There's missing a little genisa quaw

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I think with him. So mm
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did you get a good look at
Apocalypse there? I did. Yeah,

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he looks so much better. So
do you do you think in if they

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do well, they'll acually get there
in the MCU do you think they will

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have to do the Thanos route and
cee g I am like, do mocap

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soup and everything like that. I
think that's probably what they'll end up doing,

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because that's what they have been doing
with every other barble. Yeah,

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villain unfortunately, but put to well
sometimes fortunately. Would you want to see

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Thanos looking like this? Would you
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You know? Head shame ball?
Yeah, trip, Yeah, good

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point. There's some nework. But
I'm gonna I'm gonna leave it to you

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as you're the guest. What do
you what do you? Oh? And

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I guess I did go back.
Sorry, we used to do this in

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the X Men retrospective. I'd read
the synopsis, so if you don't know,

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in the nineteen eighties. The X
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powerful mute and who intends uh to
thraw or who intends to thrive by bringing

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destruction to the world. They don't
call him Apocalypse, and they actually never

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call him Apocalypse in the movie,
so he's just and stuff. And uh,

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Kyle, do you what do you
think about Apocalypse here? Because obviously

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you you have no calm acknowledge him. You didn't, you know, watch

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the Ammid series back in the day. So how do you how do you

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how does this villain fair fee in
this movie? I think if I just

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take it as just the villain,
it was like all right, but it

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was just felt like kind of the
here's another villain who's like gonna take over

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the whole world and we need to
stop them type thing. And I don't

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know if it's like it feels like
a repeat. But I don't know if

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it's just I remember like from all
the other like Marvel movies that's been happening

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over the seven years, I've getten
all mixed up with that. Probably there's

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a few that have that plot,
just a few, just a few,

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But I don't know. I feel
like it wasn't really that, you know,

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like rememberable really and he was,
you know, I feel like maybe

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the writing was a bit like ecstatic
or like kind of boxy, like it

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just didn't really I don't know,
he didn't really show much emotion or anything.

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No, And I think like,
unfortunately it doesn't come off as a

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threat either, like you kind of
hope that it's like, Okay, if

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we can't make them a layered film
like a fan os, then you kind

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of because like if you look at
derv Vader and the Star Wars movies,

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he doesn't have really emotion. He's
not that three dimensional till the third one,

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but it's like or the sixth one, whatever you want to say.

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But he's still scary in those movies, or appears to be where I guess

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I don't know why they never reached
with that. I don't think it's fully

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look because I do. I think
it has a bit to do that.

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I remember when they showed that trailer
Comic Con and there was like the first

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images coming out and the fans are
not happy, and Oscary' is like,

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I wish I could find the clip, but he can't say She's like,

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oh, look at that, that
looks cool. Eh, and it was

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just such a smattering of applause.
It's like, oh, you just you

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knew it was over for the look, but yeah, what will you kirk?

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What you did? You enjoy it? Obviously probably not because he was

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talking about how you watched the show
basically we did review that all. But

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do you think like the deemion qualities
about him? I feel like my favorite

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part about him in this film in
particular is just like the myth and legend

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of what he kind of is,
and like he's coming to bring the apocalypse.

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He's got his four horsemen. You
know, you got Moyam McTaggart being

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like or no, it was Havoc
where he's like, oh, I guess

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he got that one from the Bible, right, four horsemen. It's like

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or the Bible got it from him. Like just like this like big legend

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build up. I feel like that
actually hit, which is like he's coming,

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especially the start that they have just
like this ancient ancient mutant so just

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kind of like set the like the
playing field there of like you know,

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right, star of the movie,
this is gonna be your big threat comes

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from ancient Egypt essentially, and it's
you know, it's it's not just Bob

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Hydrobob or something like another bad guy
villain or something. Yeah, so yeah,

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I feel like that was really great. I liked actually his inception in

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like the modern time where he has
just like the hood up. I don't

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know why. I was just thinking
of like Whiplash from Iron Man two,

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just like that sort of like guy
with the hood going through the village there.

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Well, especially like I feel like
he's hiding his face but not to

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like not to the best guy's like
honking at him, and it's just this

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like giant blue faces. They've made
all scrit SI's No's like eight times bigger

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in this movie because the makeup and
just like no one knows until he takes

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off his hustling and then I guess
they do live in a world of mutants,

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right, so you would take it
off. But I just feel like

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I guess, so yeah, I
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I just feel like we're still the
point where that would be like a

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shocking thing, right to It's not
like there's other mutants around in that scene,

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Like it's not like he is the
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but even the mountains there, they
like blend in more and more or

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less, right, well, yeah, and like in that alleyway when they're

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like messing around with Storm and he
takes off his hood again, all the

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bad guys are, you know,
the jerks, they kind of just act

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normally like oh, it's like they're
a little off put for a second,

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but they're just like, oh,
it's just just another mute And I guess,

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which means have been around for twenty
years at this point. So I

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guess maybe I can say that they've
just seen a lot, but I still

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feel it would be somewhat intimidating to
see this guy. But it's just he's

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just roaming the streets doing his thing, you know. Yeah, So like

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from that point on, I don't
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It was just kind of at a
consistent level for me. I didn't love

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his his horsemen, uh really at
all, and just kind of it didn't

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seem like he had a grasp or
like a full like power fist on them.

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It's just like, yeah, they
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I kind of buffed them, whereas
in the animated series it seems like

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they're kind of tied to him,
like his will is there commit or vice

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versa. Yeah, yeah, no, like so that that I wasn't really

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expecting. I couldn't really remember the
horsemen actually at all. You got Angel,

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Silock, Magneto and Storm and story
right, yeah, they never say

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your name, and then everything Storm, Okay, it's that Storm. I

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guess she's going to school now.
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but we'll get there. So yeah, and then I I think like

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later on, I just wasn't really
a big fan of his, like obsession

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with Charles and like the mind tribute
moments they had with them, they did

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make them big, I guess at
at one point even though it was a

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dream sequence. Yes, so I
don't know. It just it never really

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reached like good or great levels.
I will say too, I feel like

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something that really maybe brought down my
old all enjoyment of the film in general

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is I did a double feature.
I did Logan first and then this,

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so it's like, yeah, without
achieved. My tears are like not even

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dried up for the ending of Logan, and then I put on Apocalypse and

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it's like, okay, Egypt,
this is good. And then it just

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like oh man. Yeah, the
cheesy, corny like humor in it too.

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It was just making me laugh.
But it's funny. I don't even

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know why I did that either,
because today I did the same thing you.

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I watched the Logan and I did
that, and I don't have any

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reason because Logan is like in twenty
seventeen. I just like, I don't

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know. I get maybe the ideas
well. I want to get to Logan

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already, you know, I want
to watch that one first. But I

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think you were right where. I
think he's just consistently the same level of

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not great and not like bad.
Like I would never talk about him in

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like all the all time bad villain
categories. He's just kind of fine.

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And I think one of my problem
too is with the Horsemen is you know

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who does he link up with first
Storm? Right? Yeah, because he's

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walking each like with Magneto. I
can believe, right, because he's That's

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why it's my nickname hate when he
grabs the TV and storms like what are

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you doing? And he's like learning
the right the fifth element when you have

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Mila just like war and just like
getting all this like history and knowledge.

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That's really like I get what they're
going for. But sometimes he seems like

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a big idiot. But okay,
I can get why. When he sees

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the TV, he sees Magneto and
he sees, okay, this was this

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like powerful mutant lead or whatever.
I want this guy. But Storm he

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just kind of like bumps into in
an alley. So all right, I

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guess you just need somebody. So
that's fine, Storm, So then you

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have my goddess seems says that right. And then when they go to Calban,

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he's like, oh, we're looking
for very strong mutes and Siloc puts

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a sort up to him and he's
like, yeah, you can come along,

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like yeah, yeah, Like there's
no interview process, there's no nothing,

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and it's not, like we clearly
see later on, Silock's not a

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threat to his life, so it's
not like, oh, she has something

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that could kill me. That's that'd
be good to have on my team.

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So they're not against me. It's
just kind of like I need super strong

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munes. Oh my friend's right here. Yeah, I'll take her. Let's

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go. And even then like this
it's fine because like Angel and the Calm

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books becomes h a like a horse
death of what am I saying here horsemen

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and death horse what is the horsemen? Yuess? But is any death is

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what? I don't know which one
he is. I think you're right.

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I think there's like death, pestilence
something else. Yes, yeah, stuff

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like that, the mushrooms, you
know, that's another apocalyptic element. But

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she's just like, hey, I
have a friend, and and then she

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goes, well he didn't flying more, and thinkings like I feel other than

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Magneto. They're just very they they
find them for very like just they happen

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to be there. I wish it
would be more deliberate where Apocalys comes back

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and he's missing for even for a
little bit in the movie, and then

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he comes back to all these people
being like, hey, he's looked around

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a little bit, and he,
for some reasons deems these four people as

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the strongest or that would suit best
on his team. But we don't we

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don't really get that. He just
finds them, and you know they I

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don't know, they look cool enough. Angel gets like metal wings, that's

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cool. Silock's sword gets bigger and
he gives her like skimpy lingerie, so

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that's cool, Like put this on. Yeah, I would do that if

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I'm making a team too, like
of course, the you know, Storm

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gets white hair and then Magneedo just
like gets super like jacked up outfit.

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But Kyle, what did you feel
about the uh, the kind of recruiting

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of the four Horsemen and just the
four Horsemen general, because he got Magneto,

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Silock, Angel and Storm. Obviously, Magneto had been in previous films,

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so we had met him a bunch, but these other three were newer

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to this version of the cast.
Yeah, it kind of felt like,

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you know, like a heist movie
and it's like, oh, I'm gonna

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get the game together and it's like
beating one person at a time and like

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slowly, like going to the beats. Now. I want Apocalypse to be

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played by like Ben Stiller or something
like that. You know, I want

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to see that movie. But yeah, we're stealing Charles Xavier's mind just like

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cool music and everything. That's kind
of what it felt like. That's why

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it was like kind of off put
in it. And I felt like also

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that we were just like, you
know, you met these characters so quickly

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and we're kind of just skipping through
them of like, yeah, here's this

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person. Quick synopsis. But not
really and just like off to the next

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Yeah, but I like, you
know, it's hard to do in Wall.

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You had two and a half hours, but you don't want to get

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too much in depth into those characters, I guess at the beginning. But

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you know, I think you hit
the nail on the head there. It's

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just it just feels the characters kind
of just lack and like power of what

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they should be having really compared to
Apocalypse or you know, like they just

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like it just sounded like it feels
like it was like the first four people

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he found was good enough, like
other than Magneto, who he saw the

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news, So I'm like, okay, I can buy. But even then,

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like you said, he still just
saw him on the news, right,

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so it's like he just like,
Okay, that guy is good.

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He could be dead, Like what
if Magnia was dead, who's he gonna

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go after? Like imagine if Magnia's
daughter's still alive. He's like, I'll

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take the bird, lady, I'll
take the bird kid, like you come

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with me and everything. But and
that's one thing I'm sorry for anybody that

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has been because there are his people. I thank you very much that have

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been listening to us since twenty sixteen, they're still with us, so this

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was a broken record when we were
reviewing news and trailers back then. I'm

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gonna say now that this movie is
about getting the like the Fox original X

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Men together, right, like Cyclops, Storm, Jean Gray, Like,

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this is their origins of how did
they get on the team. That's why

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I think it's a problem to do
Apocalypse with this, because one, I

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hate that it's like their first outing
and they beat Apocalypse. I get it,

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we'll get their gene goals into the
Phoenix mode yet da da da,

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but whatever, I hate that this
is their first time they take down the

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big bad Mute and much like you
were saying, Kyle is, oh,

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you don't want to spend this time
with the Four Horsemen. If you were

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to do a movie where you meet
these X Men and you establishment with them,

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and then in the sequel, you
could have time with that four Horseman,

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because you don't have to all these
new X Men, right, Like

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that's the problem. They're splitting the
screen time between so many new characters of

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the Apocalypse, the some of the
Horsemen, some of the new X Men,

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and then you have all the screen
time of the Ogs where it's like,

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uh, cut, you got Charles
Beast, more Tiger and Mystique,

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you know. So it's like there's
so many characters that that's where my biggest

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complaint too, is with the cast. It's like, I like the actors

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enough for Gene and Scott a Nightcrawler, but I just feel like there's still

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it feels like a TV version of
the movie where there's stuff missing and they

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had to chop it down. And
Jubilee she's fine, she's like in it

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for like she didn't get to be
on the team. She's just like there

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to drive them to the movie.
And that's about its series. Yeah,

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exactly. So I think that's the
thing where it was always a mistake to

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do Apocalypse and a horseman team like
right off the bat for the X Men,

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because they should be established before we
start introducing all these other characters.

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But they but they don't. And
uh, like we talked about, yeah,

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we get a flat I like the
flashback and not or not flashback.

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Guess the movie opens and like Egyptian
Times, and I like I like that

406
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,799
enough. It's you know, they're
protecting their master. I really don't have

407
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,519
any like cons or masks like major
praises. I like it enough, you

408
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:18,400
know, So yeah, I like
just showing again for like the general audience

409
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,039
kind of hit like he's just ancient
and like hit what he is just gets

410
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,200
passed on to like a new form. And then of course it like ties

411
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,960
into later on when he's trying to
take Charles's forum, because if they didn't

412
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,799
show that, it would just kind
of be like, well, this is

413
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,160
weird. He just he wants to
rock, you know, James McAvoy's physique,

414
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,279
I guess his new persona. But
yeah, a handsome guy, I

415
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,200
guess, but I don't know.
He's gonna be blue again. The original

416
00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:47,759
Horsemen as well too. To kind
of go back to how how the new

417
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:51,119
ones were the old ones they actually
like were trying to save them because they

418
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,759
like looked at him as a god. Meanwhile, these guys have just looked

419
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,119
at him as like You've just given
me great power, So I guess I'll

420
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,000
hang out with you. So yeah, it's like I was hanging out with

421
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,599
this guy for a little while.
They're not that loyal, you know,

422
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:07,880
angel, you know, like we'll
get there. They lose their fights and

423
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,839
all these things happened, But before
we get there, so that happens,

424
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,759
and then we'll go to I guess
Raven first, she's around. Nice little

425
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,640
tribute to the first X Men,
where nightcrawlers fighting in a cage. You

426
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,720
get to see blow up. Here, you get to see a Nightcrawler an

427
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,039
Angel fight here. This is how
Angel loses his wings. So rip to

428
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,079
the wings. I'm not sure if
they could grow back or not, but

429
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:33,279
I'll see he gets them back later
for evil reasons. But uh yeah,

430
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,440
I this plot line of Raven being
this kind of mutant savior is not my

431
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,279
favorite. I've said this before.
I'm not a big fan of the mystique

432
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,319
character in this type of role.
And as I've said before, I don't

433
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,039
think Jeffer Lawrence is bad per se
in these movies, but I think she

434
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,279
looks like a little I don't want
to say checked out. There's just something

435
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,200
It's almost like a bock lips.
There's something. There's something missing here.

436
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,960
But uh kirk any thoughts on Jefifer
Lawrence in this movie and just mistee.

437
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920
Overall, she's because of the events
of the Days of the future past.

438
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,720
She's like looked at it as like
this savior for the munes, which I

439
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,920
think they just kind of say and
name and show us some posters, but

440
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:15,480
they don't get into it too much. I like, I like both versions

441
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,680
of a Stake that I've seen,
whether it be like the old Fox movies

442
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:23,279
where she's just pure evil like anime
series pretty much that aligned as well,

443
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,319
but I also like this version of
I don't know, it's just the tie

444
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:32,039
between her and Charles, and I
really like I can't remember if his first

445
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:33,960
class, it was probably first class, right when they do like the flashbacks

446
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,200
of little Charles in the Mansions when
she's like, like, I really like

447
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,759
those scenes. So I feel like
the fact that I've had that it helps

448
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,720
supplement my feelings on her, like
later on of her, like actually joining

449
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,200
the team again, just being with
Charles, like just just that whole aspect

450
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,279
of it. I felt like it
was, I don't know, just a

451
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,759
nice ending I guess to this movie
too, how like she is working with

452
00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:00,079
the team. She's kind of bounced
between Eric and Charles throughout these movies,

453
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,880
but I don't know. I liked
how it went, and the fact that

454
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,680
she is this like savior of the
mutants. I do like that more so

455
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,920
just because She's a very easy symbol
to have. You just got the blue

456
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960
lady, you know, like,
Okay, that's it, that's our We're

457
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,240
putting her on our flag, as
opposed to like, I don't know half

458
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,359
for example, right like like just
a white guy, you know, like

459
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,799
it stands out a little bit more
like yeah, blue lady, blue lady,

460
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:30,480
orange chair were with her, Yeah
exactly. And like also, I

461
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,640
do like the the personal I guess
dilemma that she has with like her own

462
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,960
image of like she always tries to
hide herself. Like I do like that

463
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,880
kind of flaw that she has with
herself. I guess you could call it.

464
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,759
So yeah, I do like it. I think I think i'd give

465
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:48,720
her performance a little bit more than
you're checked out label that you gave it

466
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:55,000
to her, but definitely nowhere near
her peak that I've seen her by any

467
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,839
means. But uh, it was
it was. It was good. It

468
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,920
was good. It's tough because I'm
trying to think of, like what my

469
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:06,279
least favorite Jala performance is. It's
it's not like there's a clear obviously one

470
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,480
I know, yeah exactly, That's
what I'm trying to think right now.

471
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,720
It's probably one of the games movies, just because I don't like it,

472
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:17,799
but she probably is still really good
in it. But Kyle, your thoughts

473
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,200
on a mystique in this movie,
I think she's not too bad of a

474
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:27,119
character. She kind of just goes
back, as Kirkland said, kind of

475
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:33,240
goes back and forth between Magneto and
Charles. So it's kind of nice to

476
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,519
have that bit of a balance of
that, you know, the neutral person

477
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,559
kind of pushes through that. So
I don't I don't mind it. Like

478
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
again, it's not like obviously,
it's not like her best performance or any

479
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,000
like, nothing even close, and
I don't think she kind of maybe would

480
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,160
have might have been checked out.
But at the same time, didn't she

481
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:57,880
like hate wearing the blue suit?
Did they write that more into her character?

482
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,759
I think absolutely yeah, because like
in this one, I think she's

483
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,400
full body blue a couple of times, but most of them when she's blue,

484
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,480
it's with the gear on. That's
just her head. So I feel

485
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,480
like, because you can do obviously
just the head makeup. And then in

486
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,200
the Dark Phoenix they kill her off
in like the first twenty minutes or so

487
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,279
or whatever, so they they make
sure like she's not in the blue too

488
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,880
much. So I swear even this
time when she was in the blue one

489
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,160
time laying down, I swear I
saw a zipper or something like that.

490
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,279
So I think they did some additions
to the suit, which fair enough.

491
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,920
I imagine no one would want to
be like painting up like that all the

492
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,960
time, right, Like that does
have to be the aspect of mystique that

493
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,519
must suck. It's just like you're
just your whole body's painting blue all the

494
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,000
time, and you gotta be in
like ridiculously good shape too if you're doing

495
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,759
like the full just you know,
nude mystique, which they don't act like

496
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,000
it's funny because in the comics she
still wears clothes, but an x Men,

497
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,680
for some reason, they've just decided
like, well, she's gonna be

498
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:52,799
like nude in these kind of you
know, like she wears real clothes like

499
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,359
a yellow shirt or something. Well, no, but like think about like,

500
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,680
okay, it's not regular, right
because even xt men amates her.

501
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,759
She's like a skull on her belt. But think about that, like she

502
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,200
had had like an outfit. She's
not just walking around butt ass naked.

503
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,759
Yeah, that's so she's got a
dress or something. She got like a

504
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,519
superhero fit. I's supposed to just
nude because that like started, I guess

505
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,119
with the Fox movies, like the
early early ones, I could there might

506
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,720
be some comming out there, but
she's always had like clothes to me,

507
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,000
so and then yeah, we meet
Nightcrawler. There's no mention of her their

508
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,039
lineage because there's awesome people that don't
know that is her son. But they

509
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,079
these movies love doing that where they
introduced this and they don't talk about that.

510
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,559
They don't talk about Magneto and Quick
Silver being father and son. Another

511
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,640
thing that I'm sure people heard me
complain about for years, But I hate

512
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,640
that you have this whole movie building
towards this character wanting to talk to his

513
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,400
dad, and then then now you
gonna tell him, ah, maybe one

514
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,200
day. It's like it's so much
worse than I remember it being. I

515
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,880
remember hating it back in the day. But when I was watching, I'm

516
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720
like, I just can't believe that
they made the decision to do this.

517
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,880
And then like following up in Dark
Phoenix, nothing fucking happens there. Like

518
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,759
it's just so crazy to me that
they're like, yeah, I'm gonna go

519
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,839
there because he's my dad and like
that started in Days of Future Past,

520
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,240
right, Yeah, always hainted that
because he's like, oh my mom knew

521
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,039
guy I could do. That's why
he's going to the school, like like

522
00:32:09,119 --> 00:32:13,279
to get this family and motivation.
He's like, I got to get to

523
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,920
this guy. Finally gets that guy, and it's as if he forgets his

524
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:20,079
lines and it's a stage play.
And then they just like carry on the

525
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,200
story because they say to him,
looking Jennifer, Lawrence looks at Buddy and

526
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,519
he just freezes, and then it
just keeps going and and then Eric like

527
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,039
is making decisions. It seems like
I feel like if if my son is

528
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,519
on the X Men, that's another
reason to turn to the good side,

529
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,400
right, But like they don't even
have that discussion and he still turns to

530
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,640
the good side. So it's like
why even like try to build up in

531
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,079
that path. Oh I I yeah, it was so horrendous to see here.

532
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,359
It was so much worse. I
was expecting it. And I just

533
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,119
feel like they don't give us a
reason for him not to say anything.

534
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,880
You would think they'd do something and
then like, oh he shouldn't say something

535
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,920
out but it's like this would be
you think Okay, next movie, next

536
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,759
movie is getting there. That's why
they're gonna do it. And they don't.

537
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,119
They don't even interact that movie.
They never and I don't know why.

538
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,440
That's like a cool thing for viewers
and just oh yeah, why are

539
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480
you here? Because my you're my
I'm here for my family too, you

540
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,720
know. And even though like I
get Mystique's plan of you know, come

541
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:20,640
with me because Magneil's in this big
metal ball and the ideas made to talk

542
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,440
him down. If you say,
you know, that's your father, maybe

543
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,759
he'll stop. But it's like,
I don't know why that would stop mag

544
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,720
you know, doing what he's doing. I want them to do the storyline.

545
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,519
I get why, but like at
the same point, it's like his

546
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,880
design is to kill the humans still
at this point, right, even if

547
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:39,079
Quicksilver has says his son, they
still like killed his wife and child,

548
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,680
right like him and his son actually
doesn't change much. I wish they would

549
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,880
find some sort of way. It'd
be different if I a poxs was fucking

550
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,720
him up and then he's like,
well that's my son, and I got

551
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,240
a change. But Apocalypse, I
do appreciate that they find a way to

552
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,720
I guess take him out because he
is fucking because I remember Day's a future

553
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,480
past. Everyone's like, well,
you can't have this Quicksilver on the team

554
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,680
because they made am so overpowered with
the speed. What are you gonna do?

555
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,319
And you know he sees him and
he breaks his legs. I'm like,

556
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,159
Okay, that's good enough, But
I expect overall they just should have

557
00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:12,760
maybe never introduced the sun Father storyline
if you're not gonna do really much with

558
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,320
it at all. But I hope
in Secret Wars because we're in Hugh Jackman

559
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,039
back and we're getting to me back. Well, when I was seeing the

560
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:23,239
whole speed scene in the expansion,
like, man, I hope we can

561
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,039
get Evan Peters back as Quicksilver.
Not what happened in Buana Vision. No

562
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,320
Ralph Boner, because fucking Ralph Boner. Man. Evan Peters has been screwed

563
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,280
over his whole Marvel career. But
I'd love in the middle of Secret Wars

564
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,719
to get a Quicksilver like scene.
But Kyle, you got any different thoughts

565
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,880
on us as far as quick Silver
ring, Neil, do you have a

566
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,360
pitch of why it works? Uh? No, I have no pitch to

567
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,239
be honest, I feel actually looking
back when I was watching this movie is

568
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,760
that I felt like I needed to
rewatch the future past to remember what needed

569
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,320
because I kind of forgot that that
that was the whole storyline. It's it's

570
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,039
only mentioned like kind of it's actually
I say, it's just hinted at.

571
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,800
So it's not a big storyline,
but it is hinted at that their father

572
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,599
and son. Yeah yeah, so
no, I would agree with you guys

573
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,000
almost the same amount here pretty much. I guess to be honest, if

574
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,519
I feel like you think he's a
lot because he talks about but really it's

575
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,119
just a storyline that's hinted around.
But uh yeah, Peters, he's just

576
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,079
I love him in the role.
And I really like the X Mansion scene.

577
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,639
That's tons of fun. I still
liked his future pass better, but

578
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,320
everything from the dog of the pizza
and everything, I think it's a really

579
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,719
cool scene. Oh yeah, definitely
a highlight of the movie. Yeah,

580
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,159
okay, let's let's talk about Jeans
Scott here. So we meet Scott.

581
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:43,960
He's in his class, of course, his eyes are rich and we got

582
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,039
the classic like Toby Maguire Spider Man
War. It's different because these guys are

583
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:50,800
in high school, but this guy, for some reason just fucking just chirping

584
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,559
at him, talking girl talking about
girl. Bro. Yeah, and then

585
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,880
Scott comes back with the weirdest thing. He was like, what do you

586
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,119
you look? He looks old to
be her father. But it's like when

587
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:05,480
they show Sean's like he just still
looks like a kid, like Scott's age,

588
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Like, it's not like they're in
college, and this is like an

589
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,760
older guy that went back to school. It's like they're boaches in high school.

590
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,440
But either way, he goes to
the washroom. The bullie decides he's

591
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,320
gonna fall him in the washroom,
which you know, who knows. I'm

592
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,440
not gonna read into that at all, but anyway, so he's going in

593
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,320
there, and of course this is
when Scott's optic blast pops off and he's

594
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,199
introduced to her Mary van I Munes. His brother Havoc brings him in,

595
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,840
who you know, has a more
fourship power comes from the stomach instead of

596
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,400
his eyes. I would rather take
Scott's is cooler, I guess, but

597
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
for life purposes, I would rather
take Havocs where it's in the body and

598
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,719
not the eyes. But so he
gets there, we meet Beasts, who's

599
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,239
still played by Nicholas Hoolet. At
this point he bumps into Jean Gray and

600
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,360
he bad mouse her about like I
don't know, wanting a weird girl in

601
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,320
my mind. Of course, the
second he Caesar just completely gone. She's

602
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,199
not weird, and Moore, she's
hot. And there's this moment that I

603
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,239
really don't like either where they bumped
into each other. He's just completely rude

604
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,719
to her, right, and then
later on when they're outside, Charles like,

605
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,679
show me what you can do,
show me what POWs Hey takes off

606
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,119
the tree and they have that joke
about the tree, you know, my

607
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:16,480
favorite tree and my grandfa yet but
then they shoot over to Jeane and she's

608
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,320
like wet as the sea. She's
like, oh my god, like look

609
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,119
at this blast. But it's just
like, why does him being able to

610
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:28,920
shoot lasers or an ompti blast from
his eye changed the fact that he was

611
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,880
just a complete dick, Like it's
so and I get it, it's yes,

612
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,880
because technically, remember people, Scott, his blast is not heat.

613
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,599
It's just supposed to be like a
pusher, like it's not it's a blast.

614
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,440
It's not there's no hotness to it
all. So the movies get that

615
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,440
wrong all the time. But that's
where I hate that, where it's just

616
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
oh yeah, she's just like yeah, get out of here, like I

617
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,800
don't like you. And then he
shoots one tree and she's like all horny

618
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,000
for the guy she's he sees her
with glasses, he's all horning for her,

619
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,920
And that's your development. It's just
like ooh, she looks hot and

620
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,039
ooh he has cool powers, you
know, like I almost wish it was

621
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,880
something elsewhere, you know, like
Scott can be arrogant, but to me,

622
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,760
Scott's never too much of a dick. I wish that they actually he

623
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,679
actually liked her when he was blind, and then when he gets those glasses,

624
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,480
he's like, well what a bonus
because she's also good looking. But

625
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,519
it just feels like if she wasn't
hot, h they wouldn't start talking,

626
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:24,800
you know. I agree with you. I definitely wish that they bonded over

627
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,559
something like to actually like connect on
a character level, as opposed to,

628
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,599
as you said, big optic blasts
and then just fucking long legs whatever the

629
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,960
hell he saw with the with the
ray bands on. So I think that

630
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:45,400
was a missed opportunity to really also
just like show a fantastic telling of like

631
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,039
what makes that relationship so strong and
why they are, Like you know you

632
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,440
have you have her him and Logan, but like there's a reason why,

633
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:58,800
like those two are like an item
for so long, right then, I

634
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,679
think they really had an opportunity to
just show like a like a great first

635
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,440
meeting of that or maybe just like
various other like this is like a two

636
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,039
and a half hour movie, maybe
just have more moments of that. But

637
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,800
as you kind of laid out earlier, Travis, like we spent time introducing

638
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,239
character on like a split level of
like we had the Apocalypse people and then

639
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,639
we had the New X Men.
So it's just like a lot to kind

640
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:25,880
of have set time to like have
those characters. So yeah, I definitely

641
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,880
agree with the sentiment where it could
have been better. And again, like

642
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,280
before Kylegoes, with these movies,
we'll get there. But she has a

643
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,079
moment with Logan, and that feels
like that has more Like I know,

644
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,159
it's weird because Sophie Turner is like
a twenty year old girl on Hugh Jackman's

645
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,960
nearing fifty, But it's like why
does she have more chemistry in this one

646
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,559
scene than she does with Scott the
entire movie. You know, like they

647
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,199
don't they don't give them a weird
girl. Get out of my head,

648
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,719
that's what That's what Logan say.
Because again with with Dark, you know,

649
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,719
he's like like he's a Then with
Dark Phoenix when we jumped ten years,

650
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,840
they're just in love. So you
don't see any of that. And

651
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,679
she's like, well they fell in
love along the way. But uh,

652
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,920
yeah, Kyle, what do you
what do you think about the Scott Jeene

653
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,840
the relationship? Obviously you were a
Game of Thrones fan like most of us.

654
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,199
You got Sophie Turner on here,
which I think I think at the

655
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,840
time we all thought it was good
casting. I thought we all thought that

656
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,719
she was probably gonna be playing this
role for like the next decade or so,

657
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,840
and that that didn't exactly pan out. But yeah, Kyle, would

658
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,400
you what do you think about Scott
Jean to the leader of the X Men

659
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,559
here in this movie? No,
I agree with you, guys. I

660
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:29,639
feel like they kind of missed the
boat on that and they just skip through

661
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:35,119
this whole relationship, and even at
that, like at one point you know,

662
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,079
he was like the new kid at
school and it's like, oh,

663
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:42,440
the new guy type thing. And
then like the next scene is him like

664
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,719
with the gang and I'm the cool
new guy at school and everyone goes shopping.

665
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,639
Let's go to the mall. Like
you don't know America until you've been

666
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,519
to the mall or something like that. So I just thought it was weird.

667
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:58,840
But again, like it, it's
kind of like the theme of this

668
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,400
movie where it kind of you just
get through, yeah, you know,

669
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,079
scenes quickly because you want to get
more towards the end, which is still

670
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:07,559
odd for a two and a half
almost two and a half hour movie where

671
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,360
they skip over kind of so much
with these characters, right, And that's

672
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,440
where in this moment. This is
another scene that it's tough because I like

673
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,719
the moment I was referring to over
earlier. I think it's cool, but

674
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,599
you have apocalypse. They come okay, so they want to get Charles.

675
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,760
They figure out, you know,
they have the Charles also gets wet later

676
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,239
on when he feels apocalypse, like
I've never felt power like this before.

677
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,440
But either way, so like I
get apocalypse of surging through them all this

678
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,880
stuff, and I don't mind that. I think that's cool. Okay,

679
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,880
how do you create like this war
almost nuclear war going on as you know,

680
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,480
apocalypse, Like Hijacks's mind, like, okay, I'm all fun with

681
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,800
that. That's a cool that shows
how powerful he is. He's taking over

682
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,159
Charles, and then he kind of
feels like, Okay, if I were

683
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,679
to get into his body, then
I could just be doing that all the

684
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,039
time by myself, right, So
for me, that motivation makes sense of

685
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,480
Okay, you want to take the
body of a telepath, perfect, I'm

686
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,039
down for that. They go there, they kidnap, and for some reason,

687
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,800
Havoc's like the only one that charges
for the rest of them. Just

688
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,679
kind of watch Charles get you know, taken, and like good on Havoc

689
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,760
even though you know RP. He
gets taken out, which is like such

690
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,000
a funny scene. It's like ten
minutes later or earlier, I should say,

691
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:16,480
where Mistike's like, oh, what's
this and he's like, oh,

692
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,199
it's a war jet, you know, you know, after DC gotta be

693
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,840
ready, and then Q ten minutes
later, this fucking jet is just explodes

694
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,639
and destroys the entire school. But
I'd digress. The school's gone. We

695
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,599
had the quick silver scene and is
maybe you guys can tell me, is

696
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:37,840
there any reason other than have a
Hugh Jackman cameo in this movie to go

697
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,840
to WEAPONX for about fifteen to twenty
minutes because I remember not liking this every

698
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,519
time I've watched. I like the
scene by itself of Hugh getting out and

699
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,199
he's in classic weapon like that's all
cool, like it's like in a bottle,

700
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,960
But the whole scene itself, it's
like, I don't know if it

701
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,280
does anything for us to really go
to WEAPONX. It just feels like it's

702
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,559
a weird side quest. It feels
like in a video game when you it's

703
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:00,880
just like your wife's been kidnapped,
and then you're like, oh, but

704
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,760
this guy wants a sandwich, so
I'm gonna go make him a sandwich,

705
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:07,159
get it to him, and then
I'll go back to the mission with my

706
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:08,239
wife. You know, it has
all the time and video games, you

707
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,880
know. So so you're talking about
like the whole us going to that area

708
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:17,280
or like the actual scene no other
than this, let's take that. Let's

709
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,800
say the pitch was, Hey,
we need to get Hugh Jackman this movie,

710
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,440
So take that out what does the
WEAPONEX thing do for us in this

711
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:28,480
movie? Yeah, for like these
characters not really anything at all, A

712
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,239
like it's it's I guess just continuity
wise. It's kind of fun to pick

713
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,119
up with was it First Class or
Days of Future Pass? I always mix

714
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,800
up the Striker guy, like when
they when they get him at the end,

715
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,199
right, they like lift him up
in the Future Pass. And that's

716
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,599
part of the reason too, that
they lift on this cliffhanger and I think

717
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:46,360
they really had no idea what they
were going to do with it, and

718
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,320
like, oh, I guess we
should tie that up because the cliffhanger people

719
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,840
don't remember Days of the Future passes. Uh, Weabonex gets him, but

720
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:58,920
Mystique is posing as William Striker,
so it's kind of messy. Oh wow,

721
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,519
I forgot about that. Actually,
yeah, you're right retro we all

722
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:07,039
didn't like it. So the actual
scene itself, I think it's fun to

723
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:12,719
just see Hugh and like the full
weaponex urb and whatnot. So yeah,

724
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,679
like you bring up a good point. I feel like I didn't really think

725
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,519
about it in the moment of like
why are we here? I think it's

726
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,280
because like the result was something that
I liked. It was palatable seeing Hugh

727
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,079
there. So yeah, it's kind
of funny because I think that was almost

728
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,840
my favorite part of the movie.
That's why we went there. We went

729
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,440
for Kyle. Yeah, just like
you know, I thought it was great,

730
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,239
But then Travis, I think you
said it. It's just doesn't really

731
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,880
add anything to the movie other than
maybe, uh Gene gets to like flex

732
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,679
on her scales on the rest of
them and just kind of showed that off.

733
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Really, and that's about it.
Scott gets that terrible line. O.

734
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,519
I guess it's the last times.
Hopefully it's the last time we'll see

735
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,239
him. Oh God, just Land
I said this before. I hate how

736
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,599
many times it's just like, there's
a beast in that box. It's not

737
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,719
a beast, it's a man.
And then it's like, are you sure

738
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,719
it's not a beast? Like we
get it, he's a fair old man.

739
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:14,960
Just just drop the line once.
You don't gotta keep calling a manimal

740
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,960
beast. I understand, I do. Really, I hope I don't think

741
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,320
they will because in the MCU,
who knows who's gonna play Wolverine. A

742
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,599
couple more times I haven't asked Kyle. You excited for Deple Wolverine. You've

743
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:28,960
seen that in the theaters. Yeah, definitely gonna go to in theaters.

744
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,840
Yeah, we're excited. What was
the last comic movie you saw in the

745
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:42,920
theaters? Batman? The Batman so
March? Yeah, wow, not you

746
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:51,280
didn't go see The Marbles eh Man
too? The one to pull up?

747
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,599
Yeah, I just went for the
Lowest Girls. But I wish I didn't

748
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,320
see it. That was a mistake, right, Yeah, yeah, that

749
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,880
that swarm off the m series like
no no more. So I don't know

750
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,039
why I brought that up. Oh
the hair. I love his messy ass

751
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,159
like wolf hair, and I hope
they keep that in the movies because in

752
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,960
the movies he's never really had too
much of long hair, but the comics

753
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,239
lots on his hair is like super
long out so I kind of hope they

754
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,639
keep a version of that or do
something where they don't go with the shore

755
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,360
kind of better looking spiky hair.
I hope they give him something fairal but

756
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,360
I assume when they recast Hugh Jackman
will be a good looking guy that also

757
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,440
just kind of gets spiked hair,
you know, I don't think it'll be

758
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,400
looking like man. Yeah, but
I like to look and I like it.

759
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Obviously it's not because Kirkling, like
you said, you just watched Logan,

760
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:42,159
It's not to the same degree of
violence. But I feel like they're

761
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,920
trying their best to push the envelope
of how violent they can get, how

762
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,519
scary they can get. And I
love it feels like for a moment,

763
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,280
it's like we're watching Aliens movies right
now, and it feels like it's almost

764
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,840
like that where Hugh or Wolverine is
the alien. He's just going through halls

765
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,199
like massacuring marines and stuff. So
I really like that, you know,

766
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,039
good scene. I agree, it
doesn't fit with the rest of the movie.

767
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,400
No, it's just like to set
up like, hey, Hugh,

768
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,039
Hugh's out there somewhere, you know. So uh and then so we get

769
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,400
that they all get together, they're
a team. They get in the black

770
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,639
the Blackbird, and they're flying.
We're gonna get our final battle here,

771
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:22,719
Kyle, how do you feel about
this final battle here? The third act,

772
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:25,599
you got Charles and a Pauclives facing
off and then each other's brains.

773
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,480
You got the new team trying to
pop with some powers. You got them

774
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,719
facing other mutants, uh, you
got Angel dies here, and that's part

775
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,639
of the reason why Storm turns because
he's just like Ypap was like worth this,

776
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,039
and then Storm's like, well,
I'm not gonna help him anymore.

777
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:43,840
And then Silock for like half the
battle, just hides behind a rock and

778
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,480
like watches. I guess I'm not
really sure understanding what she did. But

779
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,360
uh, what do you what do
you think of the ending battle here,

780
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,440
Kyle? And you get Macneedle turning
back. He's turning good, which we

781
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,159
didn't talk about. We Hintobell a
little about he had a family. You

782
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:00,840
know they die. I you know
that was and I guess you could tell

783
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,880
about that too. I think that
was a well done portionless movie because it's

784
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,639
great to see he retired from doing
the villain stuff and even then like he's

785
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:13,320
trying his best to be a human
and he saved someone but his like repercussion

786
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,159
as well, now we're gonna kill
your family, and it's like, man,

787
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,280
like, this guy really does just
get the shit out of the stick

788
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,480
every time, and like, well, I should he be helping out humans

789
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,599
and everything? So yeah, I
threw a lot on you, But what

790
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,079
do you think of the end of
here? I think the ending was kind

791
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:29,679
of like the whole movie is trying
to build up to this massive action sequence,

792
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,360
but it wasn't really much of like
I guess the storyline. It kind

793
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,960
of just felt like, let's just
throw as much action in CDI yeah,

794
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,599
And I don't know. I felt
like I was kind of bored because there

795
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:46,199
was not really much going on,
like for I guess dialogue or like more

796
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,000
character development. I guess they're obviously
like you know, people do turn,

797
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,079
but it feels like very like simple. It's like, oh, well this

798
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,719
person died, Well, I guess
I'll just you know, be on this

799
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,599
team now, like yeah, or
like, oh h was it when Storm

800
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,880
was looking at Mystique getting choked out
and she's like, oh, that's my

801
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,480
hero, my hero, which,
like, at any point did she not

802
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,480
think her here even if she never
met Mystique, did she thought her hero

803
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,480
was gonna be wanting to like genocide
the entire human race? Like I don't

804
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,679
think so Apocalypse just picks the first
four people he finds it, but why

805
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:23,760
does Storm go with it? Like
they show that they're not zombies, So

806
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,199
I feel like she'd be like,
hey, with my hero, my idol,

807
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:32,719
who shot Magneto to save the like
president would he would she be down

808
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,360
for this? I don't think so, you know, like Magneto, I

809
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,159
get the turn is like whatever for
Magneto, like your family, but it's

810
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:45,280
like you haven't seen these people in
ten years man like like like drunk on

811
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,320
power. Really that's all it is. Yeah, and he just he's just

812
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,119
mad and wants to get back.
But yeah, like I feel like I

813
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,480
can like somewhat understand if like he
lost his family and he just wants the

814
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,239
whole world to burn, like like, I guess I get that motivation,

815
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,320
But like, beyond the early portions
of Magneto, it just seems like he's

816
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,440
just in the He's just somewhere,
Like he's just somewhere in his red suit

817
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,360
with apocalyp like like there's not really
scenes that he has, like with Charles

818
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,440
or like something like I guess when
they abduct Charles. That's like the one

819
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:22,440
time no really like Charles has passed
out, like they get like I guess

820
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,960
when they possess it, right,
because Charles is looking for him, and

821
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,719
then that's when Apocalypse possesses Charles and
then yeah, you get that. I

822
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440
never felt power like this before which
that doesn't can see when he first reads

823
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,760
Magneto's mind, he's like, oh
man, I'm so like he's better phrase.

824
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,159
He doesn't just say oh man,
I'm so sorry, but he right

825
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:44,159
away feels like yeah, downy,
but he right away, like Charles,

826
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:49,199
starts to cry and he can feel
the emotion coming from Magneto like the experience.

827
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,239
So I do appreciate that. And
again, everything with Magnito before Apocalypse

828
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,320
I think is really good. But
a lot of that is just fast better

829
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,760
because he's just great in this role. Yeah, but I think that's a

830
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,320
great Like it's like somehow I care
more about that stuff with him and his

831
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,320
family versus like the world being destroyed, right because they do such a good

832
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,239
job, Like I would love a
whole movie of him on the run with

833
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,119
his family here. That's almost kind
of what Logan ends up being. But

834
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,360
just like that, that is I
feel like with the first act of the

835
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,159
movie, do you feel like there's
hope for this movie to be great?

836
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,559
But it just continues to go down. So when you got any note specifically

837
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,639
on the third act the ending battle
here, lose Angel he dies, Yeah

838
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:38,559
Angel? Yeah, I guess so
I talked about Magneto talked about I didn't

839
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:45,760
really say Silock. I like that
we have like like her actually being agile

840
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,519
and like kicking ass. I like
the comic book accurate suit as well,

841
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:52,159
of course, but like she she
we don't really have much with her other

842
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,199
than that she does like a couple
flips here and there, and yeah,

843
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:59,760
it's kind of funny like she falls
catches herself and then like just like passes

844
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,920
out or something or takes a rest, and as you said, she just

845
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,320
kind of wakes up behind a rock. And then there's a funny moment too

846
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,360
where after our two air quote good
horsemen, Magneto and Storm like turn they

847
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,159
like they like regroup and land together
and they look like look at each other

848
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:15,760
and like nod, like fuck,
yeah, we did it. We we

849
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,760
beat apocalypse. And then it like
goes to Silock and she's just kind of

850
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,920
creeping away, And for a moment
I thought she was gonna like nod before

851
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,800
like running away. It just seems
like a Saturday Morning cartoon type event,

852
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,199
but didn't happen. I don't know. It was again another thing that just

853
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:35,119
it seemed promising in the inception.
I like the effects of her weapons and

854
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,039
stuff. All that looked really good. Angel. This is by far my

855
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:44,159
least favorite version of Angel I've ever
seen. It is he's trying to shave

856
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,079
off his wings and everything, like, yeah, more than more than that.

857
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:51,400
I like like the father son like
hard dynamic of that that one where

858
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,960
he's like so ashamed, especially his
dad is in that political position. So

859
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,559
yeah, just a good guy too
there. I don't like that age.

860
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,679
He never gets redemption here, he
just he just dies. He's just kind

861
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:06,760
of broke and yeah, exactly gets
his ass kicked my Nightcrawler in the early

862
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,960
portions of the film, like it's
just it's just a whim pass. So

863
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:15,400
and then who's the last one I
didn't talk about? Uh silaw oh Storm.

864
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Yeah, it's funny because they don't
really like say her name at any

865
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,559
point of the movie. They don't. They actually don't. I haven't Trivia.

866
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,239
They don't say her real name or
Storm. So I was like waiting

867
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,920
for it, and then it's like, oh, maybe this is just another

868
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,000
weather hero that I I don't know
about. And then it's like, okay,

869
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:36,559
this this has to be Storm,
like eighties, you know, younger,

870
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,599
younger character. I'm like, I
guess just this is the this is

871
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:44,159
the timeline that Storm is a bad
person. But the turn is just so

872
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,239
weak, and that's something that ties
to Apocalypse. I it just doesn't feel

873
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,199
like he's ever really in control of
his X Men, other than when he

874
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,440
like first gives them that shiny toy
of like now you can do this,

875
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:59,760
stops from just like flying away with
their absolutely nothing. I guess feared that

876
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,159
he'll just get them. I guess
that's something. But yeah, again,

877
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,880
it's just it's weak sauce. I
don't like it because they got to do

878
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,400
the classic to defeat him. Well, they do do the combo thing.

879
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,320
Magneto throws like I don't know the
most metal I've seen in my life at

880
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,920
him, like I don't know all
this metal where it's coming and going?

881
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:22,000
But where the bridge and building?
I get it he destroyed. It's okay,

882
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,400
but really who gets to kill them? Where is geeing Gray? Because

883
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,079
she turns into the Phoenix and they
can't make up their mind because even in

884
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,239
the next movie it comes from space
and the Phoenix force has always been a

885
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,840
mess in these ones. But you
know, I don't actually mind the Xavier

886
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Apocalypse dream sequence stuff like in each
other's mind, like when they're fighting the

887
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,480
schools building around them and there's there's
aspects and like you said, CROOKD,

888
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,039
that's the only time I can see
Apocalypse big because Kyle most time in the

889
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:50,719
comics he's like like i'd say,
this sounds like a giant at least sometimes

890
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,280
he can shrink down, but he's
like usually a very I'd say he's bigger

891
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,599
than Thanos even but not in this
movie. He's only bigger than Thanos in

892
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:04,480
a dream sequence. And you know
that dialogue doesn't do off grids like any

893
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,440
favors, just like, oh,
your kids are mine, Charles and your

894
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,000
schools like all that stuff like that, Like when Charles is on the ground,

895
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:13,840
he's bleeding, all that stuff he's
saying and just like fuck, just

896
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:16,320
like take his body and be on, Like I feel like this is a

897
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,880
press saying matter like just like take
it over and move on. Why is

898
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,559
he like talking about this? Why
is he gloating? Like and that's one

899
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,480
of the characters didn't make sense.
Is he God or is he just like

900
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,280
a regular usess with Charles. That's
why it's just weird where it doesn't feel

901
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,679
like like everyone is below him.
It's like I found you, Charles.

902
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,440
I've been hunting for thousands of years. I finally have. Yeah, that's

903
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,039
why it reminds me of like the
early two thousands Marvel movies where it's just

904
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:52,119
like very plain uh like an antagonist
character that's just like out to get the

905
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:58,119
protagonists or like the main characters,
and they don't really add much other than

906
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:06,119
like really in depth like that what
you said about It's I've lost my train

907
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:15,199
thought here, but all right,
well end this out about Dark Phoenix now

908
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,719
that movie, yeah, yeah,
you like the Fax movie. And then

909
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,400
yeah Apocalypse, he gets i know, get a bunch of metal thrown at

910
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:27,519
him. They knew again like pierces
him with the X and stuff, and

911
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:31,480
then his skin gets stripped and again
it's the Phoenix Force. It almost feels

912
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,280
like it's a bit too easy,
like it's just like just okay that that

913
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,079
just happens, and then they go
back and that's the Phoenix Force. Sorry,

914
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:44,679
like I haven't seen a good version
of the Phoenix yet. I think

915
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,000
the X Men, you know,
yeah, exactly that. One day I'll

916
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,480
have to jive into that. But
it's just like, okay, Phoenix is

917
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,079
here. It's just instant killed anything. It's like, Okay, that's just

918
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:57,519
how it is. So now that
I've like experienced that, it's like,

919
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,159
okay, that's on par I guess, except you don't want because it's the

920
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:04,639
same thing as apocalypse, Like why
doesn't he just like cement sand people all

921
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,400
the time? Like remember where Magneto
is, He's gonna I'm like, he's

922
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:13,039
gonna kill all these people, which
I wonder what those people were thinking.

923
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,239
All they know is these police and
to go arrest Henry. And then he

924
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,920
comes back and looking not happy,
so you're like, man, we're so

925
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,840
fucked, like this guy. These
guys just did like a fourteen hour day

926
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,079
at the fucking coal mine and now
they got this guy coming in. My

927
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:34,199
favorite is they're all dressed like appropriately, but then there's one guy who's like

928
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:37,440
like naked and he has like a
thing like like it's like really yet he's

929
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:42,840
super jack and he's like stepping up
like he's gonna like take on Henry Eric

930
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Lenchram a second, it's just like
I don't know, dude, you just

931
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,559
saw this man move metal. But
my point is, so they get there

932
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,920
and I like the moment where the
portal comes through he's like, who the

933
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,360
fuck are you? And he's like, you won't stop me from killing his

934
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,599
men and literally just like his eyes
turned white and they all go on the

935
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,039
ground and they're dead. They're stuck
in the cement. Why is that not

936
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,519
like his first move every time?
Like that should be the move. Good

937
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:08,360
question. At one point in the
movie, he throws Scott against the wall

938
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,199
and he locks him up, but
of course it's like perfectly around the back

939
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,159
of his head, his body,
like why would you, like, what

940
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:15,880
are you waiting for? Just kill
him? Just like pop his head.

941
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,800
So it's just like I was gonna
say that even goes back to the first

942
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,920
part, the first guy he meets
or like puts him into the wall and

943
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,880
his eyes are just like they're bugging
out. Yeah, this is a bit

944
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,440
of his face. Like the second
the X Men show up, you just

945
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,679
do that and it's over. Like
maybe night Crawler could like get out of

946
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,960
it, sure, but the rest
of them like that's just good enough to

947
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,440
catch Quicksilver. Like I feel like
that is like if you can catch that

948
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,800
guy, you can catch night Crawler
because he needs like a second of baff

949
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,480
out right, that's true, And
I'm not sure Kenny baff of his whole

950
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,599
body. I was something that you
know, his body was stuck, but

951
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,280
he still just get out of it
all the time. So maybe maybe the

952
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,119
imagine he says things he can see
or places he's been before, right he

953
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,079
eyes then, but that's all he's
been before, right, So he can

954
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:05,360
also just yeah, go back to
the expansion, just leave the team,

955
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,440
yeah, or Apocalyps could just lead
with like again, he doesn't have to

956
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:10,639
like keep them against the wall.
He could just pop their heads open with

957
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,920
some cements, but he doesn't.
He chooses when to do that and everything.

958
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,320
There's also like, I don't know
why. There's one moment it's weird

959
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,559
with Beasts when he's getting into the
final fight. He like him and Scott

960
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:28,199
jump off this building together, but
Scott just holds on to him. Nothing

961
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:30,559
happens. They just like make some
weird thing. And it's the way Nicholas

962
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,880
Holt is like running. It looks
off, but Mostique is down on the

963
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,840
ground and she's out and remember they
have a past romantic relationship. But they

964
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,400
just cut the shoes on the ground
and he like lands on her like face

965
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:44,280
was like we gotta go, and
then he picks it. It was like

966
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,039
it's the weirdest fifteen second in the
final flight of like this jump off the

967
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,719
building where he's Holy Scott, but
he doesn't do anything like Scott stills,

968
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,519
lands on his knees, He's like
creeping around. He's like cover me,

969
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,840
Scott doesn't really cover him. And
then he's just like a missionary position just

970
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,559
pounces on Steak where it's like this
is close to an assault, very weird

971
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,960
combo. And again, as I've
said before, I always feel bad because

972
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,519
I love Nicholas Holt and the men. You love him fast and No,

973
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:14,679
not fast and furious. Matt Max, I'm gonna love. I think he's

974
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:16,599
gonna be a fantastic Lex luthor.
I think he's gonna knock that out of

975
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:20,920
the park. I was very happy
he was not Batman, I said,

976
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,000
for you know, the whole year, we don't cast about that. That

977
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,840
rumors like I don't want that.
And again I feel bad that I just

978
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:28,960
I just don't like his Hank McCoy
and beast. So it's just nothing.

979
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,000
It just feels like a dude.
Well one, it just feels like a

980
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,320
dude. I don't feel like there's
much emotion of this character and when he's

981
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,679
beasts, it's just feels like Nicholas
Holt in cat makeup, you know.

982
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:45,800
So my yeah, Like I definitely
prefer my gosh, what's his name,

983
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,119
let's let's Kelsey Grammar, Kelsey Grammar
Leslie. Yeah, I definitely prefer that

984
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:57,440
version. Again that that's pretty similar
as well to the kind of what you

985
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,360
get in the animated version, the
animated versions of the Peak version. Yeah,

986
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,639
it's fantastic. I I think my
favorite Nicholas Holt beast like portions is

987
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,559
when like he is just Nicholas Holt, like the scientist in the Mansion,

988
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:17,239
because it's like it's early of this
guy being like a smart person, right

989
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,280
like later on Hank McCoy, Like, I just feel like he's super wise

990
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,679
and like a seer, almost like
an oracle type, the type like he's

991
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,920
always speaking in riddles and like quotes
on like ancient philosophy, it seems,

992
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,320
and this one isn't really doing that, but I feel like it it makes

993
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,800
sense because he's just younger, you
know, maybe he doesn't really have a

994
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,039
lot of that h that that inner
thought. I don't, I don't know,

995
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:49,679
but that's that's my favorite version of
that he's just the fuckings. He's

996
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:54,679
just Frank and signs Moss. He's
like Charles. So yeah, that's like

997
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,000
my favorite version of the character.
You don't get a lot of that in

998
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:00,800
this movie. You get more of
it in First Class to his future past.

999
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:07,360
Another thing that you know. I
like I was mentioning with Mystique and

1000
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,000
Jay Law. I liked her kind
of inner turmoil with her just wanting to

1001
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,280
show her true self. And I
liked how she bonded with him in like,

1002
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:21,199
my gosh, first Class, help
me remember what days of Future pass

1003
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,280
is that when that happens, when
he's he's trying to hide his blue feet

1004
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,880
is first Class. Yeah, okay, yeah, so I like that aspect

1005
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:34,639
of it as well. But yeah, it's uh, he's my second choice,

1006
01:02:34,679 --> 01:02:39,320
I guess, or third choice whatever, not first and anyone have anything

1007
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:45,800
to add on more McTaggart, Kyle, you got anything there. I definitely

1008
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,599
didn't know who this character was first
time we went to live action, like

1009
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,599
the first time I saw it.
Now that we've gone through animated series,

1010
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:54,519
say, okay, Moira here she
is my old flame, as Charles would

1011
01:02:54,519 --> 01:03:00,599
say, I found it kind of
like weird in hindsight, we even like

1012
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:05,199
wiped her memory because she's just kind
of like the same role that she was.

1013
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,199
He just didn't want to know about
the mansion, even though he first

1014
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,079
movie does his taker. I guess, so, I guess you're right,

1015
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,639
And like, thinking back on that
scene when he kind of wipes her mind,

1016
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:17,360
it is a nice touching sequence,
but was his plan to wipe it

1017
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,280
again When he's like in Cerebros,
like, don't I tell anyone about this,

1018
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,159
it's like, well, remember we
fucked, and then after that that's

1019
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:35,960
when he wipes it again, and
then yours remember that son of yours on

1020
01:03:36,239 --> 01:03:45,440
The Father. I like seeing Rose
barn burn burn, especially after we saw

1021
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,880
that Heath movie. My gosh,
remind me what it was called hands something

1022
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,079
right? Two hands? Yeah,
right, two hands, there's a we

1023
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,880
doesn't sound right, but you're like, right there, I don't know if

1024
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,800
that's my right hand. Is that
it? I'll find two right hands,

1025
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,280
I don't know. Whatever. It
was. So to see her there like

1026
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,880
really young and it's just got two
hands, the two hands, Okay,

1027
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,480
there you go, see her there
really young, And then obviously I've seen

1028
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:16,280
her in many things since then,
so it was just kind of I think

1029
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,280
that's the last thing I saw that
she has, like she's been, not

1030
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,559
that she's been in, just last
thing that I saw that she was in.

1031
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:29,400
Yeah, so if they're not,
yeah, nothing going on, she's

1032
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,719
waiting, you know. But yeah, I just found it weird that it's

1033
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,679
like she's like the same position kind
of that she was in in the first

1034
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:39,920
place, and then now they just
got memories back and it's as if it

1035
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,559
never happened. But I would have
just killed her off in the opening of

1036
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:45,840
the movie, to be honest,
I would have just done that. She's

1037
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,599
another character where like there's so many
times in the final fight they just go

1038
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:53,039
to and she's just like looking,
they won't stop him. He's too powerful.

1039
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,840
It's just like she's just alone in
some green screen room just saying these

1040
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,199
lines like half a pallclipse kill her. Charles feels a little hurt because that's

1041
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:03,159
a love of his boom done like
she was when we're already don't have room

1042
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:08,280
for the Apocalypse team and the new
X Men team. That's we don't need

1043
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,760
miss matag right here, you know, but you're right there. She was

1044
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,920
so and I was just like I
put in my notes, like how would

1045
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,119
you feel if you're mortal, Like, imagine that, like you had this

1046
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,119
love and this wiped your mind?
Like how would you be fine with that?

1047
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,800
If you know, an X shows
up on your doorstep and you're just

1048
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,760
like, oh, I don't know
you, and then like touch your mind

1049
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,000
you realize you had this lationship five
years of five years five years, but

1050
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,320
at least some loving relationship, would
you understanding? Kyle? Absolutely not.

1051
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,639
That would be pretty weird. Yeah, it could be like a potential mind

1052
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:41,840
break moment, right like you're just
like, what has my life been?

1053
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,039
Like? What else has been fake
in my life? Right? Like you're

1054
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:46,199
just I feel like I would just
be thinking about that and then I have

1055
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,719
like an existential crisis. Everything is
a lie, yeah, and foil half

1056
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,960
the rest of my life exactly.
We're living in the matrix. Think mine

1057
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,199
wipes every movie she saw, so
like the first time, it's you know,

1058
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,920
oh my god, I can't believe
it. My thing could be mind

1059
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,280
wipes where she like keeps her keys, so for months she's just looking,

1060
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,679
I can't find my fucking keys.
Like imagine if he screwed up, but

1061
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,920
you know he didn't. My last
like note that I have is I hate

1062
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,079
the fucking X Men suits. Like
I know notoriously Fox X Men's known for

1063
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:19,760
their bad suits because the black leather
and everything, and in the first class

1064
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,239
suits. I'll take the first class
like blue and yellow suits over these.

1065
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,079
I'll take the black leather over these. Just this like armor that I don't

1066
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,000
even think he has like an X
on it. It just looks these the

1067
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,360
suits are wearing look like the goon
suits. Like if I was in a

1068
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,639
movie like here's my Henchmen. They
come out, they're wearing this like they

1069
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:44,159
wearing yeah, like they have cooler
suits like neose suits, cooler storms,

1070
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,000
cooler, Silence is cooler, Angel's
cool, like they got this school metal.

1071
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,199
It's like they didn't have enough budget
for the X Men, like I

1072
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:50,480
get they want to make like a
unit. And then at the end of

1073
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,079
the movie they get new suits and
obviously as memed as usual, surprise,

1074
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,400
they don't get those suits. In
Dark Phoenix they have new suits again,

1075
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:04,039
so cool. A couple of quick
notes, I'm not a fan of Scott's

1076
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,719
ray band glasses, Like no,
that's like you your birthday, so look

1077
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,360
out like that us from this movie. It's just like their ray bands with

1078
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,159
like like blinders on them. That's
like what it looks like like no,

1079
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,840
like cool unique design, Like they
literally just bought a regular pair of ray

1080
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,239
bands and then put on these like
things around it. Yeah, there's not

1081
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:27,800
nothing like special to it other than
it's just a ray band. And I

1082
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,039
feel like they figure out how do
you fix the problem pretty quickly, you

1083
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:35,320
know, I got I got this
my second pair here, you can have

1084
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:43,199
it. It's like super specific,
like yeah all big oh yeah, A

1085
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:47,239
couple of those couples remember Larry,
Oh yeah, he had that power before

1086
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,000
he killed the president. Yeah yeah, Larry's glasses. Yeah. And I

1087
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:59,199
also did not like how like how
we got bald Charles. It's just like

1088
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:04,320
he just lost just loss. Yeah
yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1089
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,079
I just was not a fan of
that. It was I knew he like

1090
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:12,039
got bald between Now and Dark Phoenix. I just couldn't remember if he just

1091
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:15,640
shaved it or or whatnot. So
Macvoy's rocking some great hair in this movie,

1092
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,920
though he looks like he g me
in a like eighties nineties Dove commercial.

1093
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,680
My god, he's looking a good
exactly. Absolutely, He's he's feeling

1094
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,359
good. He's having another first impression
with his old flame, so yeah,

1095
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,079
which actually think that is a fun
scene when he's like, oh, nice

1096
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:35,239
to meet you again for the first
time, and he sees this picture of

1097
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,800
the kid and he just right goes
like, oh, does that kid have

1098
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,760
a husband or just sorry to you
have a husband. I actually like that

1099
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,039
because then I do like Havoc where
he's like trying to get him focused because

1100
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:47,279
scumpink Charles, he actually doesn't really
care about the kid. He's just trying

1101
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,800
to find out she's fucking anybody,
you know, Like he doesn't ask her

1102
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,239
any questions about like he just says
that your son, and then right away

1103
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,279
it's all about husband, single,
you know what's the deal? And of

1104
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,960
course she's divorced. Like maybe I'm
forgetting. They don't kiss at the end

1105
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:01,720
movie, right, they're not even
like together, right, No, I

1106
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,439
think they do because he like reminds
her of who he is. But do

1107
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,439
they kiss in that moment or does
he just reminder about the kiss? I'll

1108
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,000
take a look, I'll check,
because like I feel like, why even

1109
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:15,279
remind her? Don't even worry about
it? Like why fuck with this lady's

1110
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,760
life? Like, and they don't
end up together, so just oh they

1111
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:23,960
must they must end up together.
She's in Dark Phoenix. Okay, sure,

1112
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:29,479
maybe they bang it out a bit, but I mean like every time.

1113
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,119
Yeah, well I thought it weird
when Havoc was just like, hey,

1114
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,159
so, like, have you looked
her up in cerebral And he goes

1115
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:42,079
no, yeah, yeah, He's
like, oh, but not during anything.

1116
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:46,520
Uh you know, like like not
disturbing. But he just which I

1117
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,119
don't know how you would know,
Like how do you think I'm gonna check

1118
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:51,279
him more? And she's like taking
a ship or something like that, like

1119
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:55,880
you can't know like her schedule,
but no, I just be like,

1120
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:03,079
why even like ship schedule? Oh
my yet check in here real quick.

1121
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:10,960
That's the thing. Yeah, he's
a peeping He's sitting on the chair.

1122
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:13,800
You know, he gets he GE's
excited when people are sitting on chair.

1123
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:20,560
The whole world I can watch.
He's like, let's go check on Eric

1124
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,239
right now. Eric, can you
hear me? And he's like Charles,

1125
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:33,560
I told you, Like Charles it
was phenom And all of a sudden you

1126
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,840
just see like Charles face like Eric
the X Men and I need your help,

1127
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,720
like the scene from Blockers and John
Cena like just staring at each other

1128
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:48,119
because Charles in his mind he orgasms
at the same time and you're like,

1129
01:10:48,159 --> 01:11:00,279
oh, I can feel what you
feel. Orgasm like this so powerful about

1130
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:03,520
you fucking a metal doll? Oh
that would be the bed. He just

1131
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,920
like comes in on anybody using the
wash and just just Charles the purve.

1132
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:11,359
But yeah, I just feel like, why they even make her do that

1133
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:13,600
line. I'm like, yeah,
but I'm divorced now, and I don't

1134
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,079
feel like they like they're like endgame
or anything like that, you know.

1135
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,920
So I checked, and yeah,
they don't kiss, they don't care.

1136
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:24,039
He just like touches her face and
it's like, I'm sorry, I took

1137
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:28,319
those memories from you. And then
she's like crying and then it just fade's

1138
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,319
away. We don't see her again. They don't interact with their gonna so

1139
01:11:31,399 --> 01:11:36,359
weird. Why do they write lines
andnot like are these storylines and just not

1140
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:44,039
do anything with it? I don't, like, I know it sounds like

1141
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,600
such a stupid easy question, but
it is hard where it's just like I

1142
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,279
guess maybe they just thought because like
Rose Burne is a bit of a bigger

1143
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:54,000
star now, so like because at
that point she's in the Neighbors movies and

1144
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,600
everything, so I think it was
like, how can we get her back?

1145
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,880
And let's just bring her in?
Right? So yeah, I don't

1146
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,680
know did they have like right they
wrote her or like war and then just

1147
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,319
like in post what now we're just
gonna cut? Yeah it could be or

1148
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:11,359
just even in the middle of like
filming, like God, we don't have

1149
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:14,119
time for this, so let's not
do this or yet, like it's just

1150
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:16,319
there's tons of stuff, right,
So it's just yeah, it's it's it's

1151
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:20,720
weird. So uh. And then
my last note before we get into trivia

1152
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,600
here is I hate that I get
it because they even say, like,

1153
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:30,000
oh, Magneto, for former Eric
knows Magneto helped save against apocalypse, that

1154
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:33,479
dude still helped murder like hundreds of
people and he just gets to walk off

1155
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,199
scot free. For me, it's
like the dart Vader thing of like I

1156
01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:40,720
don't like that Dart Veair gets space
Heaven. Magneto should not just be getting

1157
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,439
to pimp off like have a good
day, professor. It's like where's he

1158
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,720
going, Like no, like he
should be like he's got to do sometimes.

1159
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,600
So it's going back to those construction
workers, find their families finish off

1160
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:57,960
what it's fucking little. The news
is praising as a hero, and then

1161
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:02,159
this just in like next day,
Magno massacres entire Poland families. Like that's

1162
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,159
I mean, like I just don't
understand. It's so even Storm to like

1163
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:09,600
a lesser degree, but Magneto,
It's like, I don't know that that

1164
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,920
man, he was doing a lot
of damage, but no one just because

1165
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,920
he killed Apocalypse, all is forgiven. So good for Magneto. The other

1166
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,279
thing I was thinking about in this
movie was Cerebro. I just I don't

1167
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:24,840
understand why they don't just have like
a like a nice disconnect, you know,

1168
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,960
like an emergency stoff for this fucking
device. Like he just gets trapped

1169
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,760
in there and there's like nothing they
can do. They have to call and

1170
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,960
Havoc to just fucking blast the whole
room. And yeah, yeah, I

1171
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,720
didn't like that line either, But
he's just like like he's got to really

1172
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,920
destroy the whole thing, and he's
the only one that can do anything.

1173
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,239
Like if he's not there, Charles
is just fucked. And I guess I

1174
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:45,760
don't think this happens all the time, though, I think that's the thing.

1175
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,399
This doesn't happen the Fox movie gets
poisoned to like, it just seems

1176
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:54,239
the very vulnerable that's in the future. That's the older Charles. Though actually

1177
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:58,359
that's a different timeline because remember these
so you know, maybe they learn from

1178
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:00,760
this, they go, well,
you know not. I just feel like

1179
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,720
you can cut power in that instant
and it just like deactivates cerebro. Like

1180
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:10,319
I get like the fact that Charles's
brain is like active and like it could

1181
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:14,600
definitely damage it in that aspect.
But I feel like the cerebro system could

1182
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,239
definitely be shut down in a safer
way than Havoc just Greakkavoc. And I

1183
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:21,840
would like that line if they didn't
already call him Havoc, like, oh,

1184
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,000
that's a fun like tribute to the
comics. But no, his name

1185
01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:29,079
is Havoc, like x me name's
just like freak Havoc. But like,

1186
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:32,680
I guess I'm okay because I like
to take it's like it's Charles mind still

1187
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,000
powering it, so it's like a
battery. It's keeping it all. But

1188
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:39,199
I'm not. I'm not defending it
that much. You can have your issue

1189
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:42,039
with it, and I'll say,
yeah, I understand so but they get

1190
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:45,800
out of there and then Havoc destroys
the plane, so he dies. That's

1191
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:53,239
it. Really. I have a
note at one point when the kids kids

1192
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,039
they go to the movies with Nightcrawler
and they come out and they're talking about

1193
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,880
how they just saw the third Star
Wars MOVI. Yeah, and they go,

1194
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:04,439
oh, the third movie is always
the worst, and then I was

1195
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,319
thinking about, oh, yeah,
Xtra, it was pretty bad. It

1196
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,399
was. And the reason they put
that line in there is because that brought

1197
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,880
the director who did the first who
was gonna do the third one. He

1198
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,560
didn't, so it was like a
shaw that. But it's kind of funny

1199
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,880
that this is the third movie of
the New Class trilogy and it it is

1200
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,560
the worst one out of First Class. Day's Future passing this, so it's

1201
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:29,439
like, uh, that's like almost
like a that's like a walking under ladder

1202
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:30,920
throwing salt over your shoulder, like, ah, you should have done that.

1203
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,319
Like they jinked themselves from that line
this movie, because it's like,

1204
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:36,119
yeah, this movie was like the
it was the worst out of the three,

1205
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,720
right. I still like this more
than Dark Phoenix, but it's just

1206
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,079
yeah, it's funny, So all
right, some quick trivia. As always,

1207
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:46,199
for the role of Charleston Xavier Jews, Macavoy shaved his head. It

1208
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:49,479
was something he had actually done before
starting to work on X Men First Class,

1209
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,640
before he learned that the producers want
him to have a full head of

1210
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,359
hair and he had to wear extensions. So back in twenty eleven he shaved

1211
01:15:58,359 --> 01:16:00,560
it and I said, well,
actually for day of work, guys check

1212
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,439
it out. Guys check it out. They're gonna have hair. Which also

1213
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:08,720
I went Kirkland where when the first
movie started. At first I was like,

1214
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,600
okay, maybe it is an acturate
thing and they want to lead up

1215
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,760
to it. Looking back on it, he should just be balled the whole

1216
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,039
time. Mac Boy was willing to
do it. He fucking did it and

1217
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:19,439
split multiple times where he picked his
head. So it's just like clearly so

1218
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,119
like the way that he ends up
when we start from First Class and now

1219
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:25,920
when he loses his hair, I
just wish he was bald the whole time,

1220
01:16:26,199 --> 01:16:30,880
you know, really do, but
alas we have to explain why he's

1221
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,760
bald. Yeah, people just yeah, he's not just bald, Like I

1222
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:38,399
don't know, billions of people on
the earth that has to be well,

1223
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,199
this Egyptian possessed his body for five
minutes and he lost his hair, like

1224
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,840
and even then, why, like
I would have loved it if like Charles

1225
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:50,079
Wumbar all the Apocalypse had like Charles
like his Maine, like imagine the full

1226
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:57,840
end battle, just like and he's
gonna chair yeah uh yeah, No,

1227
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,560
I don't know why on one thing
actually, just you're just reminded me of

1228
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,439
when they're connected at the end.
I also just I kind of laughed when

1229
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:11,000
Charles has like the realization of like, oh, we're still connected, because

1230
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:14,760
it's like it like shows him like
so dour and out and like he literally

1231
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,560
can't do anything, and then it's
just like, oh now it's time.

1232
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,000
Oh yeah we're connected. Okay,
I'm gonna do this. And then he

1233
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:25,159
just he just gets in his head. You know, it doesn't go super

1234
01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:28,079
well for him. A pocalyipse kind
of gets the best of him. But

1235
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:31,359
again, just like that realization of
like wait a minute, oh he's fucked

1236
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,439
now, and then he just goes
into his mind and then he has to

1237
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,520
call it Cheen for help. But
like, and why wouldn't you feel like

1238
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,159
they're connected Apocalypse throughout that whole fight
is like it's over Charles, like he's

1239
01:17:41,239 --> 01:17:44,399
talking the whole time. But uh, this is the first time that the

1240
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,800
Summer brothers appear on screen together.
There. They had thought about putting their

1241
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:53,159
third brother, Gabriel Summer's Vulcan,
but they decided two brothers were enough,

1242
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,680
which, judging by this movie,
I think that was a good call.

1243
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,840
Michael fast been fast better improvised the
line as what you want from me,

1244
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,119
which is very good moment. That
whole scene with the family dying, great

1245
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:10,159
great acting by Fastbender, just top
tier stuff there. So yeah, just

1246
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,399
just that scene is like a top
tier I think X Men movie scene.

1247
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:16,319
It's just in this movie, which
is funny. But in the debris that

1248
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:19,880
Magneto first lifts up from Aushawaz,
in one frame you can clearly see the

1249
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,039
coin that he used to kill Sebastian
Shaw An X Men first class. I

1250
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:27,079
remember that coin puts to the guy's
head. Into those few movies you see

1251
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,279
it for a second, So there
you go. Brian Singer, the director,

1252
01:18:30,399 --> 01:18:33,720
chose Apocalypse as the antagonist to examine
the origins of mutes on Earth.

1253
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:38,039
His quote was, it deals with
ancient munatism, origins of Mune state,

1254
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:41,800
and the origin of gods and religion. There's a mixture of ancient religion cultism

1255
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:45,039
in the character of Apocalypse, which
I feel like they show, but I

1256
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,239
feel like to choose the villain,
say like, hey, these are the

1257
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:51,079
reasons why. I feel like each
of those reasons gets like a scene or

1258
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:54,479
a line or two, and then
they just move on to, well,

1259
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,000
we gotta fight the big bad.
Like I think there is that paragraph of

1260
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:00,359
what the idea was of, like
God versus mun et cetera. That's an

1261
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,000
interesting idea, but they don't.
That's not really the plot of this movie,

1262
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,840
like, and that's not even the
plot of like Apocalypse, other than

1263
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:10,920
a few lines here or there.
So I think there was a good intension,

1264
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,239
but this movie did not betray that
at all. To me. When

1265
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:15,039
I read that quote, I was
like, I think you missed the mark

1266
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:19,399
there. So I already talked about
Storm. She never referred to his first

1267
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:25,960
name. Two other people that were
considered for Apocalypse was Iris Elba and Tom

1268
01:19:26,039 --> 01:19:28,680
Hardy, which I would have loved
Tom Hardy because you know, we would

1269
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,560
have got some fucking voice in there
that would have been like something weird and

1270
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,760
everything. So Olivia Munt had originally
auditioned for the role of Vanessa. The

1271
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,800
producers and directors very light liked her
a lot, but felt she wasn't a

1272
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,159
right fit for the role, but
kept her mind for down the line.

1273
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,079
And obviously that's how she got this, Vanessa. Is that what you just

1274
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,279
said? Yeah, so the girlfriend
Deadpool she auditioned for that. It was

1275
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:50,399
closed, but they just thought it
wasn't right, but they'll keep her in

1276
01:19:50,399 --> 01:19:54,560
mind, and she got this.
So what a trade could have been in

1277
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,520
the Deadpool? It could have been
the first right r MCU movie. But

1278
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,319
here you are is a silog.
But you know, you never know happened

1279
01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:01,279
at the time, You're probably like, oh, fucking xylog, this is

1280
01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:05,520
gonna be great. I'm gonna be
back for a sequels and not so one

1281
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,479
and done one and ma should be
deb who knows? You never know?

1282
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,039
Rights secrets, yeah, or secret
wars right perfect. Oscar Iszen had to

1283
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:18,760
dub almost all his dialogue as Apocalypse
sounded too bulky under the rubber costume moving,

1284
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:24,479
uh, or his bulky rubber costume
moving was always being picked up by

1285
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,840
the microphone, so much like we
tell about the wind in our film,

1286
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,319
adrenochrome. I guess the costume anytime
he was talking was just like like make

1287
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:34,560
a noise, So that sucks.
He's just in a booth which is a

1288
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:41,079
windy windy yeah. Uh. Sophie
Turner became interested in the role, which

1289
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:44,319
I don't even remember this when she
received an overwhelming response from a fan survey

1290
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:46,319
asking who their preferred choice to play
the role was, which I feel like

1291
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:50,000
was just because what people do,
like, hey, they're looking for Alex

1292
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:54,640
Luthor. Brian Cranston's bald and he's
in Breaking Bad, the same thing as

1293
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,720
like, at this time, Game
of Thrones is the biggest show of the

1294
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,239
world, and so if we turn
as a redhead, oh, she should

1295
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:02,119
be Geene Gray, which, like, I think Sophy turned as like a

1296
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:08,239
good actress. But I'm rewatching Game
of Thrones and it's great to see because

1297
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,399
she gets better as the show goes
on. But I don't think she's anything

1298
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:13,079
out of the world, So I
feel like it was kind of like stunt

1299
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,239
casting. But I also don't feel
like the guy that played Cyclops either was

1300
01:21:15,279 --> 01:21:17,960
good. And also I can't say
that could just be the writing right because

1301
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,920
they just weren't given too much so
it's tough. But she summarized that her

1302
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,479
audition in casting process was three months
of hell, reading and waiting for her

1303
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,840
next round selections. Towards the end, before she was cash, she became

1304
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,960
more frustrated and didn't receive response from
the producers. However, it turns out

1305
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,319
the delay was because of her contract
obligations the Game of Thrones and the producers

1306
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:39,000
were just hammering it out. So
the whole time, she like, there's

1307
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:41,960
like a month or so where she
had the role, but they wouldn't respond

1308
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:44,640
to her because they had to clear
it with Game of Thrones. So she

1309
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,199
just thinks these producers are like ghosting
her the entire time. Well, they're

1310
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,600
like, couldn't say anything, I
couldn't say anything, and they're just trying

1311
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:55,760
to figure out her contract situation.
That's pretty funny. So I got some

1312
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:00,720
picks here for These are my last
two trivia notes where it was sit here

1313
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:08,960
So before her l Fanning, Chloe
Great, Grace Moretz or Morteza, I

1314
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:14,239
call her Hailey Steinfeld, Sercy Ronan, Daisy Ridley, Lily Collins, I

1315
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:18,279
don't know. Grace, Caroline Currieus
and Margot Robbie were considered for the role

1316
01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:25,079
of Jean Gray before Sophie Turner was
Captain Margot Robbie, which this was twenty

1317
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:28,039
sixteen, so same year as Squad, so I imagine it would have been

1318
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:31,640
the same in that time. But
like, let me just do a let

1319
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,760
me do a thing here. So
Margot Robbie, I'm pretty sure she's like

1320
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:43,800
thirty three years she's thirty four,
okay, ty Sheridan is he's twenty seven.

1321
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,239
Okay, I feel better about that. So there's like there's seven years

1322
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,159
doing Okay. I just felt like
even in that time in twenty sixteen,

1323
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:54,720
I feel like Margot Robbie is like
a woman, and Ty Sharon in this

1324
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,319
movie looks like a like oo,
he's playing twenty so like he's playing like

1325
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:00,800
a sixteen year old, so he's
playing four years older. But still he

1326
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,880
least can pass off as his team. I think I would have been taken

1327
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:09,560
out if it's like Tye Sheridan with
then like Marvel Robbie is like a seven

1328
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,359
year olders than him as Jean Gray, the high school student. You know,

1329
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,960
so and you know I don't like
Suicide Squad, but I think it

1330
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:21,239
all she made the right choice there, so is there anybody else from that

1331
01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:26,800
list that you thought would have been
great Ronan Days, Ridley, Elf Fanning,

1332
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:31,319
Seinfeld, Shortia, Ronan I think
could just excel at anything. She's

1333
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:36,439
just so fantastic. I think,
yeah, I definitely think she could have

1334
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:43,840
crushed that role. That's my favorite
one. I feel like it's just kind

1335
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:49,399
of like a list of like like
it's it's pretty spread out, like it's

1336
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:54,920
not like they're all similar type of
actresses or actors, like all feel like

1337
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,960
they're I'm not even talking physically,
they all just feel like they were hot

1338
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:01,840
in twenty sixteen for the even like
Daisy Ridley coming off Force wakens around the

1339
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,840
team, right, so it's like, okay Colins, Yeah, which I

1340
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:10,079
feel like she's getting bigg around that
time. Chloe Grace Moretts, you know,

1341
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:15,319
Hey, Steinfield, l Fanning,
so Coyle, any when you like

1342
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:19,079
from that list, No, I
think so it was good. It's just

1343
01:24:20,079 --> 01:24:24,439
probably I think it's more and so
the writing. Yeah, and for a

1344
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:29,159
cyclops a list of Ben Hardy,
who was the guy that was cast Angel

1345
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:30,800
eventually, so he didn't get that, but he got an Angel, Charlie

1346
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,760
Rowe terror Egerton who rumored turned it
down, but apparently he was somebody up

1347
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:42,720
there. Logan Lerman, Josh Hutcherson, Dylan O'Brien, Jesse Plemmons, and

1348
01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:45,399
my favorite one, which probably would
make sense because he would have been a

1349
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:47,239
big star, and I think it's
not terrible casting other than I think he

1350
01:24:47,359 --> 01:24:51,119
had to bulk up a little bit. But uh, Timothy shallow May was

1351
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:55,800
talking about Cyclaus back then before he
was like anybody, anybody, and that's

1352
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,880
a I don't picture. I don't
picture my Cyclops, but I do like

1353
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,760
after done, see how he could
be like a leader, right, like

1354
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:09,279
he play that role of so I
see that element. But I don't know

1355
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:12,239
if there's anyone I think Terry Egerton
would have made sense. I'm not a

1356
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:15,359
fan that people they want that for
Wolverraine, I don't see it. I

1357
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:17,760
don't see the fan cast. But
even Hutcherson, I could have seen a

1358
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,119
little bit that would have been funny, though I Hutcherson got it, and

1359
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:24,960
then after Hunger Games you got Jennifer
Lawrence and Hutcherson also in this franchise over

1360
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:31,399
here. So it's funny because Terry
Edgerton and this guy's name is I had

1361
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,159
it, and that was Sheridan,
Ty Sheridan. They look alike, right,

1362
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:38,199
they look alike and I always get
them mixed up. So it is

1363
01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:42,800
funny that you know it was rumored
casting for that. So yeah, I

1364
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:48,199
know I think this lad here Ty
is uh. I think he's pretty solid

1365
01:25:48,279 --> 01:25:51,680
young Scott. I actually quite like
the cast, like we don't really get

1366
01:25:51,840 --> 01:26:00,640
much at all, Like I already
talked about his meeting with jee Gene there,

1367
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,920
So yeah, I I don't know. It's just like Kyle said,

1368
01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:09,000
just better writing I think helps these
characters a lot as well as their performance.

1369
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,520
You could have put in like Daniel
d Lewis and wouldn't done anything here,

1370
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,439
you know. So I think I
haven't really seen that guy in much

1371
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:21,279
like I just hear he's fantastic.
There will be blood. Last last link

1372
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:28,199
wasn't he Lincoln? Yeah? Phantom
Threat left the Games in New York.

1373
01:26:30,039 --> 01:26:31,920
I think maybe who's another one in
that? Is that a Leo movie?

1374
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,920
Oh? Yeah, okay, I
have seen that build a butcher whatever,

1375
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,920
he's fucking he's great. Yeah,
Okay, that's wow. I kind of

1376
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,199
forgot i'd seen that. Okay,
interesting, Kyle, what would you give

1377
01:26:44,319 --> 01:26:46,760
this movie out of ten? As
we end this cast here. Oh,

1378
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,600
I haven't done this in a while. No you haven't. No, Yeah,

1379
01:26:53,159 --> 01:26:58,199
I'm gonna give it a four point
five. Okay, failing, Yeah,

1380
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:00,560
I'm gonna fail it. I think
it was just a really long movie.

1381
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:10,399
It I was trying to take touch
on everything, but it missed the

1382
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:15,800
mark on a lot of things as
well too for me, So that's when

1383
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,760
we give it four point five.
It wasn't Yeah, I think it's just

1384
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,760
too long for what it was fair
enough, which is funny because we'd say

1385
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,840
we want more time to characters.
But I think it's just like what they

1386
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,279
did with the length is the issue. And I guess that's where I go

1387
01:27:29,359 --> 01:27:31,800
because I'll talking right now. I'll
give it a six. I could still

1388
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,479
pass it. There's enough I like
here. Really like the Magneedle family stuff.

1389
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:42,239
I like the scene by itself of
Wolverine and the whatever the weapon x

1390
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:45,680
oh. I like the quicksilver stuff. And I still like characters in here.

1391
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,119
I like Mac and Fast better in
the role. I like Peter's in

1392
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:53,880
the role. I don't mind some
of the newer people. Yeah, Apocalypse

1393
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,760
isn't great and it steaks all right. There's other things that are like more.

1394
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,880
It's just kind of there. So
that's why for me it's like a

1395
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,399
six. It's like it's like,
okay, it's pass. Well. I

1396
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,079
think it's above like a just a
fifty because there's some scenes in here I

1397
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:08,800
really do like. But uh,
that's that's where I'm about as a six,

1398
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,479
So will you curric them? Yeah, this one's tough. I I

1399
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:17,199
think I'm gonna just just barely pass
this, like the weakest five I can

1400
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:20,720
muster, like my my five barely
made it to the finish line. But

1401
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,319
but it got there. It's exhaust
it's heaving. Yeah, Like I I

1402
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:30,720
really don't like the Horsemen. Not
Apocalypse isn't terrible. I I think like

1403
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,720
the Magneto quicksilver thing, like it
really brings down this Bat's for me that

1404
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it's just a lead up to that
and it's just it's just so like eye

1405
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:45,920
rolly they do that. But I
do like Eric and his family in the

1406
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:51,720
beginning. I like the McAvoy stuff
there. There is I don't know,

1407
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,800
like there's enough he like scenes here
that are really well made. Scenes like

1408
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,359
like the quicksilver in the mansion scene, Like that's that's just that's a fantastic

1409
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,520
scene that they made there, and
just like I remember watching like behind the

1410
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,079
scenes on how they kind of created
that with the camera. It's it's pretty

1411
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:15,159
interesting. But yeah, no,
I I think I will just barely pass

1412
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:17,560
it. I assumed I was gonna
fail it coming into it, but yeah,

1413
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:20,800
some of those key scenes I think
are just enough to kind of push

1414
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:26,960
it over the hill there, but
fuck, the wagon is barely holding on.

1415
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:31,199
So yeah, well there you go, ladies, and Jim and Kyle

1416
01:29:31,279 --> 01:29:35,399
Smith, thank you very much for
joining us again here to kind of complete

1417
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:39,720
the saga here. It'll be maybe
in ten years we'll do Dark Phoenix again

1418
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,960
and get you back, but hopefully, hopefully soon when we can get you

1419
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:45,760
on an after nine so you can
catch up with everybody and just shoot the

1420
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,399
ship and hang out with us.
But yeah, thanks for coming back on

1421
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:54,159
and talking some apocalypse and everything like
that. So yeah, so yeah,

1422
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,560
this is it for that, and
then later on there'll be a Logan one

1423
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,520
and then we will re release the
Phoenix one that was me, Kirkland and

1424
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,399
Dylan, which is I think a
pretty negative review as well. So the

1425
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,960
pack half of the X Men universe
not too great, but I think we

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got some good stuff happening, so
thank you very much for tuning in,

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and have an extraordinary day like dropping