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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and

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we have an interesting one for you
this evening. My guest is Irene Previn

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and I was actually lucky enough to
meet her back in September twenty nineteen when

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I was out in Phoenix and she
was traveling with a whole group of people

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from Australia. And it's the Victorian
UFO action. I believe that's what it's

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called. I just asked her a
few minutes ago. I should know.

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Anyway, we are going to be
talking about some really interesting cases in Australia.

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Some of them you may have heard
of, and I think there's going

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to be some that you've never heard
of. I hadn't heard of one in

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particular that we're going to be talking
about. This is just a little bit

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different for you lucky YouTubers because she
has given me. Irene has given me

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a number of images and a couple
of video clips to show you this evening

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while we're live on YouTube, and
so I will try to link some of

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the images to the show notes too
for the people listening to just the audio

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part of this show. So if
you head on over to podcast UFO Dot

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com we have our weekly blog as
usual by Charles Lear. This one is

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called Pilots and Planes Swallowed by the
UFO. He always puts some interesting titles

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and one of those, one of
the topics in that blog he's to he

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does talk about is that Frederick bell
Into case, in which we will touch

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on tonight with our guests. Well
before I forget next week, I'm going

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to be sort of heading into the
rabbit hole a little as my guests,

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Whitley Streber and I actually invited him
on the show years ago and I had,

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I think it, I had to
have surgery at the time, so

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I had someone cover for me and
they couldn't get the tech together anyway,

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it crashed. He got a little
angry, and I hadn't heard from him

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again. But I have heard from
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out and we're gonna be talking about
that, and so get your questions ready

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for Whitley. Next week. We're
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it's time for me to bring in
my guests. Welcome to the show.

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Arene, Hello, were you Hello? Yes? And you're in the You're

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in the future. I said that
with Paul Dean the last time I had

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a mind. A few weeks ago. You are tomorrow, so we know

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that we will make it through tomorrow. You're ten o'clock in the morning over

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there, and you're six o'clock yeah, Wednesday, and we're Tuesday. So

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thank you for joining us. I
really had the utmost pleasurable time talking to

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you out in Phoenix. It was
it was a great I loved your group.

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I loved hanging out with your group, fun people. Thank you.

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It was fun to meet you too, and it was fun to see all

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of the people that we've been watching
over here in Australia on YouTube and listening

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to the podcasts and to see you
guys in the flesh was pretty exciting.

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Now I say this, I've said
this a number of times. The Australia

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has something like twenty five or twenty
six million people, yet they are they

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are like the second most listening to
this show. When I go through the

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analytics, it's either it's the United
States first, and it's either Australia or

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I believe the UK and back and
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to the show. It's pretty amazing
for our country with a ton of people

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in it. So what is the
interest Why is there such a big interest

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in UFOs in Australia. I think
because we have such a desert a drought

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of UAFO information. Much of the
information and openness seems to be believing coming

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from the United States. Of course, we know that the Latin American countries

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are much more open about UFO topics
than the Western world seems to be your

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the English speaking world. However,
because of the language barrier, it's difficult

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for us to access that information unless
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our biggest source of good quality information. We have very little support for people

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that do or either have had an
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We're much like Britain. I was
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he was saying that in Britain it's
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nothing forthcoming from the authorities. It's
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scientists. Pretty much the same here
that the ridicule factor is still pretty high.

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People. One must myself feel nervous
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interest in UFOs, which only I
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years ago. I was really not
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I really believe that people who saw
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mass sighting such as Westall, and
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we had some mental health issues or
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was my belief. And do you
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there that your feelings of it.
I mean, the reason you felt that

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way is part of the the you
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and tenfoil hats and all that.
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until recently you'd certainly life would be
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if you admitted it, and you
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or not quite the lunatic basket,
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left and sent you into this topic. However, having more experience and more

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interest in it, I do ask
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spontaneously meet a person and then just
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a UFO, had an experience or
strange experience in your life? And it's

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surprising the number of people that do
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I have, I've seen something stranger. I've had a weird experience and I'd

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love to tell you about it.
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that would admit to such a thing. And yeah, so yeah, and

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you know, I yeah, since
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of times, you know, since
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things have relaxed a little in this
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And I feel more comfortable talking about
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like last two weeks ago, I
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and I got to talking. I
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I'm just about ready to go live
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there said, well, what kind
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You know? Said, well,
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Night they listened to other shows and
hello, Laura. Yeah anyway, but

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anyway, I feel more comfortable because
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effect that particular situation where the New
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to that type of thing hardly were
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couple of journalists, you know,
investigative journalists. One of them works for

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the government funded TV and radio is
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which is very conservative and very careful
and very scientifically focused organization. Excellent,

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good quality information comes out of It's
called the ABC and my favorite, probably

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my favorite TV radio station to listen
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the intellectually stimulating conversations and information that
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quite surprising. They do cover it
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it with the stick. But match
the journalist we're discussing, well, he

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has had a long interest in this
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it a lot more. But they're
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very careful that the information is thoroughly
fat checked, and it's sort of like

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they have to from what I perceived, that they have to see that the

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whole world is reporting on it first, especially the more conservative media outlets in

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the United States, before they will
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that they may have covered the tax
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They covered it but it was probably
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more for them to actually cover it
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so typically it would take at least
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roll around to Australia. So there
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gonna be talking about some cases.
Someone already wants to know something. I'll

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post that up in a minute.
But I know we're going to be talking

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about some, you know, well
known cases and then a couple of unusual

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cases during the show. My question
to you is, so, what happens

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to the person that has a extraordinary
UFO incident and they go to talk about

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it. What happens to those people? Where did they go? Oh?

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Nowhere, there's nowhere. Since some
Project Bluebook in the nineteen sixties, the

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climate has in the in the may
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really squatted. I mean, for
example, I don't know whether we should

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talk about this now or later,
but with the Westall witnesses, there's dug

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up an article. I don't know
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that, but it's an article from
a magazine called Women's Day and where three

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of the witnesses the West. All
witnesses are interviewed. Ah, yes,

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here we are, and one of
the ladies, Pam, I've actually never

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seen her before, but she's never
come to anything because she was She was

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saying in the article that she's never
spoken publicly about the incident. She haven't

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had never even been back to the
place that had occurred, which is called

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the Grange. And when she told
her father about it at age fifteen,

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he laughed at her and told her
she was lying. She then wanted to

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commit suicide at age seventeen, she
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and she yeah, she just she
I think she oh yeah. She even

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said that she didn't even tell her
husband and her five children until recently.

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This is really typical. And unless
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Age circles where there's a lot of
openness and people encourage speaking about this sort

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of stuff, if you're one of
the regular citizens, assault of the Earth

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type person, a mainstreamer, there's
no way he'll be talking about this.

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It's only very recently, and especially
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New York Times article, a lot
of people still haven't even read that but

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especially since the tick Tack thing came
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ignoring of it, or you know, people are not aware of it.

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If you say, have you heard
about the tick tack incident, it's sort

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of like, oh, yeah,
I'll look at it later. This is

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amazing and amazing admission, if not
an amazing event, but amazing admission.

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And to anybody who's not looked at
any of UFO stuff at all, to

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just see that and to see the
data collected and how the military are taking

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it very seriously or very open about
taking it seriously. They've always taken it

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seriously as we know. Yeah,
just the responses to say the least.

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Well, let's backtrack us a little
bit because you mentioned earlier when we started

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that at first you thought, you
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interested in this topic, and to
you find out there were masks witness sighting.

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So let's talk about what is the
change from you that was like the

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average person in your Australian society.
I guess that thinks it's a French topic,

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And how did it hit you on
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it. That's a very good question
and I'm glad you've asked. I was

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living in my town of Adelaide,
and I'm a freelance graphic designer. I've

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that's what I've done all my life, my whole career. So I'm a

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creative person. I'm an artist.
So I was looking around for a new

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project to take on it and there
was one in Melbourne that interested in me

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greatly, and that was to help
run a community magazine. It was a

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six month contract, and so I
thought, okay, I'll hop over the

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border and you know, resett or
here for a little while and do this

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project because I think it would be
quite fun. And while we were brainstorming

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with the participants in the project,
somebody mentioned that they would like to have

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a column on UFOs like I have
a UFO Report regular and I thought,

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that's really hilarious. That's really quite
funny. That could be you know,

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great with you know, we could
have wonderful drawings and pictures and paintings of

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UFOs included, and it would be
just quite whimsical and hilarious. And then

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somebody pulled me up and said,
well, actually, haven't you heard of

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the Westall incident? And I said, no, what's that about? And

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this person quite seriously told me that
this was a mass sighting about two hundred

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and fifty people, many of them
school children, but many members of the

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Westill community saw as well, saw
a UFOE that visited a school. And

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so they pointed me in the direction
of the excellent documentary that Rosie Jones made

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which featured Shane Ryan as the investigator. So I sat down and watched that

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and I was pretty much blown away. But before that, just prior to

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coming over to Melbourne, you know, being an Internet surfer, I would

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like to look up different topics to
expand my mind, you know, to

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inspire myself from my artwork or whatever. And I did at one point do

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a search on whether there were any
people studying the UFO topics seriously, because

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when you do a quick search,
all you see is the weird new age

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stuff, which I really couldn't relate
to at the time. And I wanted

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to see if there were any scientific, you know, things done in a

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methodical manner in the study of collection
of data about UFOs. And I did

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find somebody in my hometown who had
actually known over the world, Keith Basterfield,

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an excellent researcher who He approaches it
as a skeptic, but not a

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debunking skeptic, but as a somebody
who will genuinely look at whether it's the

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sighting, is somebody's imagination or a
misidentification, or actually there's something unusual in

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it. And he has uncovered a
lot of cases where he's eliminated the mistake

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aspect and focused on, you know, the the unusualness of it. So

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I think he's somebody worth looking at. So I thought, actually, it's

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really frightened me when I looked at
his cases and I saw not only were

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there cases in the neighborhood that I
was growing up at the time I was

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growing up, but that there are
scientists seriously investigating this topic. That really

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frightened me because I thought, oh, my god, this is probably real,

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and I put it out of my
mind. Oh that's Andrew Arnold and

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he's interviewing. Oh I don't know
who he's interviewing. Okay, that's Keith

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Masterfield. Oh that's Keith Masterfield.
Oh god, I can't even recognize him.

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I've I've only talked to him on
email, and he's a good friend

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of or he talks to my friend
James Rigney quite a bit, especially about

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the Wilson documents. So he's done
a lot of digging and uncovering there to

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establish whether the Wilson documents are truthful
or real or not. So. Anyway,

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Keith Masterfield, even though he's from
my hometown, I've never met him,

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and I have a great deal of
admiration for him. Anyway, one

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from Keith Bastfield back to the project
UM and what brought me to Westall Um

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The project was the we were working
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the site of the westall incident,
and so I took my team and we

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went down and visited the site and
we discovered that these the local council has

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created a playground with a UFO like
a kid's play equipment. There it is

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and that's Judith McGinnis from UM Geelong, who's also an investigator UM in the

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Geelong area. You know, she's
a she's great. So that play equipment

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was put there to mark the spot, not the exact spot that the UFO

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landed, but the the just to
UM as a remembrance for the fact that

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it happened to mark the place.
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went down to the place and I
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It's like Skory, New Mexico.
I found when we visited that place,

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there was nothing remarkable about it.
Yeah, I've heard that unremarkability at the

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time that it happened. I think
Shana has already covered this with your previous

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podcast, that it was an area, semi rural area on the fridges of

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the suburbs and with market gardens,
and now it's just fully suburban, no

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market gardens and just that park,
and then, you know, not too

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far away from the school. So
okay. So to find out that there

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were so many people that had seen
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and I thought, okay, I
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So the fiftieth anniversary rolled around,
and I didn't see anything on Facebook or

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anywhere that was to mark the event, and so I thought, okay,

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I'll invite people to a picnic.
So I put out a public notice on

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Facebook and extended the invitation to the
witnesses and anybody else who was interested in

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coming. And so we had a
little barbecue and I remember the day distinctly.

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It was raining, it was light
drizzle, and I was not sure

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that anybody would show up, and
I had a T shirt printed up with

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Westall on it so that people could
identify me, you know, at least

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as somebody who was the point of
contact. And I met the witnesses,

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and also what impressed me about these
people was that their story had not changed

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after fifty years. The type of
person that they were. They were not

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hipping new ages or freaks or drug
smokers or alcoholics or anything like that.

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They were salt of the earth people
and they were not looking for this encounter.

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They hadn't probably had any kind of
other encounters after that. That's Colin,

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He's great. He was on the
Oval when and I think the slide

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you show previously he was showing us
where he saw it. He was playing

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cricket and he was pointing where it
was hovering. The silver sauce that he

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saw was hovering just above the power
lines. So if you can imagine just

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one of the things that I know
that I had Shane Ryan on this show

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a while back and we talked about
this story. But I think we should

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also approach this not to get into
too many details because many people aren't that

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listen to the show, are aware
of exactly what happened, but let's just

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do a nutshell of what happened.
And I also want to tell you this

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one thing that happened after I had
Shane on, I had someone contact me

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and they said, you know,
that whole thing is a bunch of bologney.

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This was just some weights that they
saw very far away. That's not

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the case and anything I've ever seen
or heard people talk about. There was

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a lot of interaction. But if
you wouldn't mind, like in a nutshell,

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tell the person who's not aware of
the case, what happened that day

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and what was the year eighteen?
What was that with April six, nineteen

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sixty six. It was around what
we call mourning recess time, which is

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sort of like morning tea for the
kids. So the teachers and the students

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have a break where the kids get
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teachers. From what I understand from
the students, a lot of them went

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went racing to the stafframe to have
a cigarette. So it was about to

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I think it was just before that
time, and somebody came in and yelled

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that there was a UFO. They
came into mister Andrew Greenwood science class and

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yield that there was a UFO outside
and I think he lost control of the

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class. From one of the reports
is the kids went rushing to the window

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to look outside just go. I
mean, there's very everyone's different story,

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but it was consistent that they also
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Colin talks about it there that it
was quite distinctively a silver saucer and

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there were probably there were actually three
of them, three silver sauces they were

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playing cat and mouse with. There
were five cessna Oh no, I don't

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know if they were Cessna's, but
five light planes turned up and it seemed

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as though they were playing cat and
mouse with these light planes and the kids

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are outside watching them. There were
you have accounts from some of the girls

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like Joy Clark and m oh what
was her name? Anyway, some of

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the other ladies that were girls at
the time went racing off to the grange

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where they saw the sources move in
the direction of and they got quite close

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to the saucer which was hovering a
few feet above the ground. So,

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yeah, this is the grange.
This is a little reserve not far from

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the school where the kids were used
to do their athletics training or running around,

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and I understand that there was a
it was a sight of teenage intrigue

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as well. The kids would get
up to, like the older kids would

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get up to naughty things. They'll
sneak off to the grange and smoke cigarettes

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and kiss and stuff like that stuff
that teenagers do. So it was a

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well known spot for the kids.
I think in that last shot you can

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see the sorcerer in the background,
the playground saucer there it is in the

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bottom right. Yeah, so that's
I guess in a nutshell. There's a

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whole lot more to tell about that, Yeah, I mean from one thing,

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you know, there was a story
that you know, the teacher actually

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came forward and if anyone that watched
The Phenomenon, a movie by James Fox,

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would see that the teacher was visited
and he visited by one I think

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you said, a military one in
a you know jacket that just said,

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you know, you were drunk um, you know, I mean, this

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is the story that it's going to
be told if you talk about this that

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you were drunk and you didn't see
anything. You know, they're basically threatening

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to destroy his life. So he
kind of hid in the shadows, and

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even on James film, he wouldn't. The story behind the story of getting

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that interview is fascinating because he was
so traumatized by that visit that even in

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his what's in his eighties, I
think now to the day that James convinced

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him to go on camera, he
would not talk about it. He and

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it took his students to I think
James took a little video of the former

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students of westall witnesses giving him and
Joy. You see Joy there in the

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pink. She's one of them,
one of the key witnesses, Joy Clark

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and Sue Savage is the lady with
the ponytail, the black hair in the

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front of the screen. They all
sent him a little message on video that

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James brought to them to say,
look, it's time. There's nothing that

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can happen to you. Please,
for our sake, talk about Please support

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our story. Please say what you
saw and that did it? Like the

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pleading of the students to please,
mister Greenwood police, please tell your side

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of the story for our sake.
Did it? Now? Let me just

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ask you this and then we can
move on from here. But did any

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of the witnesses that you spoke to
there, did any of them say that

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this was something life changing to them? Did you have that feeling in that

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they were whenever they spoke about I
mean, the climate until recently, as

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I've said, has been that of
ridiculo. I flying sources or UFOs come

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up and as they would do in
a workplace or social situation, usually with

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ridicule. I remember them saying that, oh, those that like Joy,

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Jo is my hero. She's so
strong. She would always say that,

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well, I had an experience and
they're not rubbish. This is Joy.

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Actually, I'm hiding behind her.
This is a snippet from the Phenomenon,

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And that's my little cameo in the
film, that true cameo right there.

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I'm trying to hide behind I'm the
woman in black trying to hide behind the

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witnesses. Yes, so Joy actually
said at this picnic she said, I

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really felt for the victims of the
Catholic Church, the children that were molested.

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She said, I know our case
is nothing like that, nothing as

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severe as that, but I do
feel for how those children were never believed.

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They had these awful traumas, and
they were told that they that they

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had imagined it. She said,
I have a feeling of how they might

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you know a little bit of how
they might have felt in that they would

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never believed. And this is how
all of those witnesses were. They were

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told to shut up, they were
told to not talk about it when the

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media were there trying to interview them
about it. The media were shut down

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and show through their whole lives there's
been this climate and of Australia of pushing

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it under the carpet, ignoring it, not talking about it. And they

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would have had to have arguments or
heated discussions with people about you know,

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the truth of what they saw through
their whole lives. So yeah, I

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guess in that it would be pretty
life changing. Yeah, and then we

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could just wrap this. Why don't
we just wrap this part of the story

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up. So James comes to Australia
without you with him, you meet him.

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Actually, did you speak with James
before he came to Australia. Um,

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I didn't, but James Rickney,
my friend did. This is changed

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where he travels each year to the
United States to attend conferences and he's made

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a lot of friends in the UFO
realm. James is an architect who lives

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in a nearby suburb to where I
live. He actually approached me after Westall

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the Witnesses Speak. Um, oh
no, no, sorry. He approached

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me after the Westall picnic that I
held at the Grain, and I thought,

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who is this strange UFO guy?
What does he want with me?

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And we went out for a coffee
and he convinced me that he was actually

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quite a regular guy and quite normal
and not a weirdo to my relief,

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and we worked on a plot.
We actually wanted to have a I had

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a dream that the witnesses should be
able to meet the public and answer questions

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about their experiences to anyone who's interested, so we plotted to make an event.

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He got the support of I hadn't
met anybody from RUFOA at that point,

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and he got me to meet the
team and they supported us in putting

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on Westall event, which we called
Westall the Witnesses Speak. We hired a

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theater and we showed Rosie Jones's film
with Shane Ryan. Shane came over and

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Rosie came and spoke to the audience
as well. So basically the format was

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we had the film and we had
a Q and a panel. We had

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Rosie and Shane do a bit of
talking, but mainly there was quite an

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extended question and answer session. Colin
that you see there, who's being photographed

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and interviewed by the media at the
park in this picture here he spoke on

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the panel as well. He actually
came down from Queensland and I don't think

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he'd been to the site for many
years, forty or fifty years. Oh

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well, yeah, he hadn't been, or maybe one visit to make the

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documentary for Rosie. But yeah,
they were happily answering questions from the audience.

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The event had a lot of interest. We had um the tickets sold

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for it two weeks prior to the
event. We had people lining up at

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the door wanting to get in on
the day and we had to turn people

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away. It was amazing. We
didn't expect that we would have that much

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interest. It's sort of like people
are secretly interested in Westall and secretly interested

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in Ruer foes, so it was
quite incredible. Um yeah, yeah,

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let me okay, So yeah,
that that that whole thing I remember when

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I first started looking into this topic. That was one of the ones I

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thought was pretty solid. I wanted
to put up hang on just a second,

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one thing at a time. Here, okay, here we go.

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I wanted to put up a comment
that someone asks right here. It pops

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up on the bottom of the screen. So they wanted to know what's the

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best and newest case in Australia that
you know of. I mean you talk

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about it's kind of hidden from the
media, or do you actually do these

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things actually trickle into the media when
when there's something that happens. Oh,

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I don't know that they particularly go
to the media. They would probably go

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to a U folk group. Yeah, depending on the area. So we've

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got a case in a group in
New South Wales that are very active.

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We've got a group in quin Sign
that are active. Yeah. Best in

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US case I really don't know because
m yeah, this nothing of the magnitude

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of Westall at all. We've had
individual sightings where people have seen something by

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themselves, lots and lots of cases
of I mean people write into us by

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email through our website and I think, well, they obviously do to the

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other states as well. They write
in about their experiences that nothing of the

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magnitude of Westall where there's two hundred
and fifty or more people that have seen

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us up. Yeah, that's up
to like three hundred something, right,

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isn't it. I think it is. So if you count, there's a

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lot of people the adults that lived
in the air, that worked in the

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area, that have passed away.
I think if you estimate those, but

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I think Shane has spoken to you
are over a hundred people face to face

410
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,719
about their experience. But that's a
lot, right What that was about?

411
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,679
Is it three quarters or no?
No? I think in the in the

412
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:07,440
interview with you, he said there
were an estimated five hundred people that would

413
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,440
have been around or had seen it. But obviously he couldn't get to that

414
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,039
to all of them because many of
the more adults have passed away, So

415
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,880
he's only focusing on the students that
we're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

416
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,599
Now one, can I talk about
an adult, actually two adults,

417
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,880
young adults that were in the vicinity
that were not students at the school.

418
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,679
Oh, that's the old Victorian UFI
action website. We've got a new website.

419
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:46,159
That's okay, that's problem for historical
reasons, But we want to look

420
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:52,239
at four dot net which is our
current website, can report things too,

421
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:58,719
won't. I won't bring that up. I just yeah, okay, yeah.

422
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,559
Um. So there's one gentleman.
I don't know if you've got the

423
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:07,199
photograph. There was one guy who
was studying engineering who came up who heard

424
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,719
about from his uncle I think,
who lived in the area, and he

425
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,400
came up to have a look at
what was going on after it happened,

426
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:20,599
and he witnessed the crop circle that
was left in the grass. And then

427
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,440
he came the next day he brought
I think he was bringing his friends.

428
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800
He said, oh, well,
come and have a look. And he

429
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:30,559
churned up the next day and the
military will over it, busy destroying the

430
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,360
evidence of the crop circle or the
landing traces on the ground. There also,

431
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,039
this hasn't come out in the film
at all. There's so many stories.

432
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:45,199
There are also some kids that snuck
up and witnessed the military burning the

433
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,559
grass and getting rid of the evidence. The military will all over it.

434
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:57,400
There was this story I really like
and it's in the documentary, and that's

435
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:06,440
Paul Smith was a young market gardener
working next to the place with the trees

436
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,559
that you see. That's him on
the right there. That Paul Smith.

437
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,559
He was pulling up carrots with his
boss. His boss is a few meters

438
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:21,199
away, and he just sort of
looked up while he was pulling up the

439
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,280
carrots and he saw a silver craft
not very far away from him. I

440
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,440
think he said it was a hundred
feet away from him, and it was

441
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,559
like, I can't remember the exact
figure was at twenty or thirty feet up,

442
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,159
hovering above the ground, so he
was quite close. Another person that

443
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,159
was quite close to it. I
think Terry Peck was the person that was

444
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:47,039
the closest to it. But he
saw what he saw was a silver thing,

445
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,320
and he thought, what's going on? Is somebody projecting an image from

446
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,800
somewhere? Is somebody playing a trick? And then as he was watching it,

447
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,639
it cycled through the different colors like
blue and green and purple, and

448
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,480
it sort of looked too. He
described it, it was looking like it

449
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,960
was losing transmission. It was kind
of crackling, or you know, like

450
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,559
the static on the TV when there's
no radio, no TV station at the

451
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,920
end of the transmission. It's sort
of like it was sort of all staticy,

452
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:27,559
and then it became translucent, and
then he said it drifted down through

453
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:31,199
the trees and through the trees.
And I said, do you mean that

454
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,000
it was? You know, because
the trees, as you can see,

455
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,400
quite close together, and I couldn't
see how a craft of this size could

456
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,239
go through the trees and dodge them. And I said, was it going

457
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,159
around the trees and dodging them?
How could it possibly go through the trees?

458
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,599
And he said it was like the
consistency of smoke. So it had

459
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,920
become like a ghost. It had
become ghost like and drifted through the trees,

460
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,559
which is quite amazing. And it's
not the first time I've heard something

461
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:09,199
like that. Yeah, there are
similar accounts and um and some that almost

462
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:15,199
make you think it's a multidimensional or
something. You know, it just it

463
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,599
doesn't make any sense. But there
are many cases where people will say that

464
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,840
our UFO will just it'll be there
and all of a sudden it'll fade and

465
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,199
then or sometimes just show up in
another spot instantly, you know, I

466
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:34,000
mean, just it's such a mystery, what the heck could possibly be?

467
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,079
Who knows? Yeah, so that
was now? Was that you said he

468
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,840
was pulling up carrots? I love
that. So was that anywhere near Westall

469
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,960
that was right right at the side, and then he said the children.

470
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,920
The children came running after the like
a few minutes later he could hear the

471
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:58,519
pattern of not so tiny feet running
and chasing the UFO. And yeah,

472
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,480
so he was at the receiving it
where the UFO turned up and then saw

473
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:06,480
the kids chasing it. And the
other thing that he said that was really

474
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,840
interesting at the time. He said, the following year, in the area

475
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,599
where the UFO had been, the
potatoes, they planted potatoes in that spot

476
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:22,519
and the potatoes were huge. They
were like footballs. They were abnormally large,

477
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,000
and he said they were good for
nothing. They had to check them

478
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,239
out there was they were not not
good for selling because they were just too

479
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,480
big. So what how do you
explain that there was some effect on the

480
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:43,159
soil of the UFO apparently to make
such big I mean growing the potatoes normally

481
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,679
each year, and then one year
after the UFO the potatoes are just enormous.

482
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,400
Why, wow, that is Yeah, that is something. There are

483
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:57,840
a few cases where you hear about
the effects of well, for instance,

484
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,000
Travis Walton, you know, we're
supposed the craft came down. There's a

485
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:08,400
strange uh tree rang growth. You
know that? So who knows what that?

486
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,119
You know? I mean, there's
all types of speculation of what can

487
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,239
do something like that. Some people
say it's, um, you know,

488
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,760
radiation. I don't know if that's
if that's it, but yeah, some

489
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:27,159
kind of radiation. I think Jacques
Valet has um made observations in his books

490
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:32,760
about the effects on vegetation. So
yeah, yeah, yeah, So let's

491
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,360
uh, um, let's let's see. We've got about uh like h twelve

492
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,800
or thirteen minutes before we go into
our break, and so I would like

493
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,639
to talk about the Someone actually has
a question here, let me just pop

494
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:54,719
it up. Did the potatos get
tested for radiation? Who knows? Who

495
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,480
knows? Now? Yeah, somebody
was converted testing all of this, but

496
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,920
nothing has been released to the public. There are no files for anybody to

497
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,679
access. Nobody has admitted anything officially
on this, so as far as I

498
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,360
know, they haven't. Yeah,
well, these potatoes are too big and

499
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,800
then they just got checked out that
I think that's pretty much what happened.

500
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:28,239
Yeah. One of the one of
my favorite parts of James film was also

501
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,760
in Australia. I do believe it
was Australia where the gentleman took up polaroid

502
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,079
of this craft who result in his
garden. That blew me away. That

503
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:43,800
that picture, that polaroid, that's
something that can't be effect That was in

504
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,039
the same year, and in fact
I found in UM I've got some old

505
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,960
versions of the Flying Source of Review, which is the pre publication from the

506
00:42:52,960 --> 00:43:00,480
predecessor of UFA, which is called
vuf is the Victorian UFO Research m Victorian

507
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:07,400
up Research. Yeah, that's right. They had an analysis. I think

508
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,039
I sent that to you. Did
you get that email? There was an

509
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:16,800
analysis a very geeky must have been
by an engineer or some sort of very

510
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,719
detail oriented person on the ball Win
photo and there was a little snippet of

511
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:29,199
information which I've never seen before.
I'm not aware of and I'm not sure

512
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,880
how many people are aware of it. But this is the original research.

513
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,800
Is when the photograph came out in
nineteen sixty six, so this publication was

514
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,280
printed around that time. So the
photograph was taken I think yeah, that

515
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,760
was days before or days was it
days before? The school sighting from memory?

516
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:54,760
But in the report that verfore was
released in this publication was that it

517
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:00,519
was seen hovering near a school the
same craph, not the same school,

518
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:07,320
but it was the house was I
think opposite a school oval or something like

519
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,639
that, which I was not aware
of until yesterday. Yesterday was looking through

520
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,679
this stuff in preparation for the show. Wow, who knows that? And

521
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,880
that's another hole. That's another whole
interview. We could talk about old research

522
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:30,159
in Australia with Paul Norman, who
was an American guy from Tennessee. He

523
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,400
was born in nineteen sixteen I think, and died in twenty and twelve.

524
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:42,119
He was an ex Air Force guy
and he moved He had his own sighting

525
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,159
in the nineteen fifties when he was
managing a power station. He moved to

526
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:50,159
Australia about ten years later and married
I think a local girl. And he

527
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:57,800
was instrumental and bringing James E.
McDonald over to Australia to talk and to

528
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:04,360
investigate some cases. And he knew
Alan Heineck as well. He also called

529
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,639
Alan Heineck born again you apologist.
He was a little bit skeptical of him.

530
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:12,760
That's not a bad term for him, you know, for what happened.

531
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
he was. Yeah, although he

532
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,000
respected him, I think he was
a little skeptical of him. Um,

533
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,000
and uh, yeah, he's a
fascinating person to have a complete whole show

534
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:32,559
about. Yeah, so you also
looked into the Frederick Valentick. Um,

535
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:44,719
I don't know if I pronounced that
right, oh Valantage Okay, yeah,

536
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,079
I've heard it's said many different ways, but that's probably the right way.

537
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,719
You're right. Um, So what
have you looked into about that case?

538
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,079
I mean, another fascinating case,
but quickly if you would, for the

539
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:00,559
person that it's unfamiliar with it,
Um, just in a nutshell. Okay.

540
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,679
So fred Valentich left forty years ago. He left the Moravian Airport,

541
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,760
which is probably half an hour's drive
from where I live at dusk, and

542
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:22,039
he reported an unusual object flying around
him and over him to traffic control and

543
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,159
he well, this is a very
quick version. While he was talking to

544
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,960
them, he vanished. He was
never to be seen again. He was

545
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,760
doing a quick run to get up
his flying hours. He was wanting to

546
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,599
train to be an airline pilot,
so he was flying like planes. And

547
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:46,039
also he was a very skilled aviah
in that he would participate in in air

548
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:51,000
shows and do loop de loops and
you know, crazy stuff. So he

549
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:57,159
was apparently pretty good at what he
did, and so he wasn't no novice

550
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,920
even though he was getting his ours
up. He was adept at flying and

551
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:07,760
he knew his stuff and he was
careful. We ran an event on the

552
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,360
fourtieth anniversary of his disappearance and we
held it at the place he was last

553
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,840
seen, which was the Marabin Airport, and they've got a little restaurant function

554
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,559
center there, so we heard of
our function. They're invited people who were

555
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:35,679
interested and we had a very long
seminar where Andrew Arnold produced the basics of

556
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,280
the case, the introduction to the
case as to what happened. And then

557
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,239
we had one of the researchers that
was there at the time working with Paul

558
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,519
Norman, who invested gated the case
thoroughly at the time, and that's John

559
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:54,400
orch Till, and he gave a
fantastic, very detailed rundown of how they

560
00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:00,360
invested gated the case and what they
discovered and what they couldn't cover. So

561
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,360
there is a video of that is
about four hours long. You'd have to

562
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,079
break it up into lots of viewing
sessions, but if you're interested in the

563
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:14,760
John Orchard Till part as to what
happened there that's really worth looking at.

564
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:20,079
So um, Yes, so it's
a case that's spoken about all over the

565
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:24,159
world. What happened to this pilot. I don't know how many other cases

566
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:29,320
there are of I think you're doing
a shower on, aren't you of people

567
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,239
that have disappeared in airplanes? No, that was a blog. We have

568
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,599
a blog on our website now where
Charles Lear, the blogger for this podcast,

569
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,239
has written one and and that case
in particular is in that as well,

570
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,039
you know, as just a listening. But it's not the only thing

571
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,760
that has happened. There's a few
others. There's the mantel Um case where

572
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,639
not not you know, it didn't
disappear, but it was. It was

573
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:04,400
ash involved in that, And there's
some others. I can't really stake them

574
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,519
off the top of my head,
but yeah, it's all interesting. Now.

575
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:13,039
You had to give me some pictures
because you went to the area where

576
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:19,320
supposedly it could have gone down.
Is that what it is? Well,

577
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:24,679
we had at the event Steve Robi, the traffic control the one that the

578
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,760
last person that spoke to Fred Valentig, and he brought with him a couple

579
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,440
of mates who were also experienced pilots, and one of them I think ran

580
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,960
an airport, was managing an airport, and I don't know if it came

581
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,760
out in the video, but I
do remember him speaking up and saying that

582
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:46,760
he's flown over the area countless times. There was a theory that he could

583
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,280
have gone, that Fred could have
not gone down in the forest. So

584
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,320
I don't know, do you want
to bring up the pictures now, that's

585
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:58,960
ature of the forest, part of
the front. That's a canopy. This

586
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,079
amazing a good coastline, it's a
it's a big tourist spot. That's a

587
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,239
winter shot of it. But Fred
was flying in springtime. So I don't

588
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:14,719
know if we've got another picture which
I've sent you which shows the area,

589
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,320
Okay, that shows that the area
is thickly forested and koalas lived there.

590
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:27,719
So on one side you've got this
rugged coastline and then inland this is amazing

591
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:34,719
forest and um so the weather was
not like that. It was apparently quite

592
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,639
clear. Um it was when he
was flying. It was still light,

593
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,960
it was fading light, but it
wasn't actually night time. So about seven

594
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:47,159
pm our time in spring is still
quite you know, it's just just the

595
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,679
light is fading um and he um. Yeah. So basically the search was

596
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,079
taken over the sea. So we've
got bas like this is the bottom of

597
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:05,719
Australia where we've got a very tempestuous
ocean leading to Tasmania. And so they

598
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,920
thought maybe he could have gone off
course and vanished in the ocean, or

599
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,760
maybe he could have gone off course
and vanished over into the forest. And

600
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,480
so this fellow who ran the airport
at the experienced aviat I can't remember his

601
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,559
name, were saying that, you
know, if he had perished in the

602
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:27,519
forest, they would have probably have
found the remains of the craft, but

603
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,480
nothing has been found. Rhonda Rushton, I don't know if you can bring

604
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,039
up the picture of Rhonda at the
lighthouse. Yes, Randa was his fiance.

605
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,280
She knew him very well and we
did with her. She was very

606
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:50,159
close to him preceding his disappearance.
He was planning like there was a theory

607
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:52,639
that he was suicidal. He was
apparently not suicidal at all. He was

608
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:58,960
a happy guy and they were planning
to get married and have children. So

609
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:02,159
and she was ac going to be
on that flight with him. But through

610
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:08,079
a amazing set of circumstances. She
missed out on getting onto the like because

611
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:14,719
he would take her on little joy
rides around the area, and because in

612
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,280
the days of no mobile phones,
she wasn't able to get in contact with

613
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,199
him and say that she was running
late, and so he took off on

614
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,360
his scheduled flight without her, and
so she it could have been two people

615
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:32,320
disappearing, not just one. But
yeah, so tragically she um She was

616
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,199
saying at the time she did not
want to believe that it was a ure

617
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,239
foe. He never even mentioned the
word ure foe when he was talking about

618
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:46,559
it, said it's not a plane. Never mentioned louis important point because there's

619
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:52,559
a lot of media. It's interesting
because if he died in a motorbike accident

620
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,119
or a car accident, would he
have been there's a lot of ridicule and

621
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,800
running down of his character that he
was in year to whatever. But if

622
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,360
he would if he had died in
some other sort of tragic accident, would

623
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,440
he have been Would there have been
all of this air of ridicule around it.

624
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:12,840
No, I don't think there would
have been. That's quite interesting.

625
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,400
Um, well, hey, well
we're just about ready to go into break

626
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,159
here and so and that we have
we have just a minute and a half,

627
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:27,400
but I did want to just prime
the people, so we'll maybe we'll

628
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,159
pick up a little bit more of
Valentish. However you say it, I'm

629
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,280
terrible at remembering how to say things
like that. But anyway, we're going

630
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,840
to be talking when we come back
and break, We're gonna be talking about

631
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,199
this incident. And for those of
you on YouTube, you can hear we're

632
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,320
listen and watch a clip that I'm
gonna be playing during our break. But

633
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:52,840
this is a this is a very
very interesting case of the Nulls family that

634
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,440
happened in nineteen eighty six. I
want to say something like that UMAs to

635
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:06,239
yeah, they're thereabouts. But anyway, we are going to head right into

636
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,320
the break. So those of you
on YouTube you can watch this clip,

637
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:16,159
and those of you on KGr A
radio will be right back right after these

638
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:22,440
messages. Well to the NLS family
in Adelaide, thanks for joining us.

639
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,400
And thirty six hours now after the
event, do any of you have any

640
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,559
doubts as to what happened? Do
you still believe that it was a UFO

641
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:35,000
that landed on your car? Yes, we do. Why do you believe

642
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,599
that we actually score it. You
know. It was chasteners and it all

643
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:44,440
of a sudden land on our car. Put our car back, and I

644
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:50,559
put my hand at the window and
I felt on the roof. What did

645
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,519
what did you feel? It was
like a sponge on the roof, stuck

646
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:58,639
in the roof in a car.
This a sponge? I saw it?

647
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,920
How big was what did it looks
like? I don't really know. I

648
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:13,599
can't really explain. Did you see
anything but a light? Um? Really

649
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:20,280
it was all explain it. It
was sort of it was shaped like this

650
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:24,800
hanger and shaped like this, had
like a little circle in the center and

651
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:35,440
that was like a yellow sort of
color, and had on the outsides it

652
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,360
was sort of shaped like that,
and on the outside it was like that,

653
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:44,039
and in the center it was like
that. And I asked b Burrata,

654
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,400
you know if that was a spaceship
and against don't be stupid. So

655
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:54,920
I got up place to have a
lot and it was moving backwards and forwards,

656
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,599
and so we decide to take off
to have a lot. Decide to

657
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:06,719
take off, and it was flying. Mile was back and and drave myles

658
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,440
up the grade again and it was
in frontovers again, how high off the

659
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,519
ground was? It was on the
ground, and it was on the grounds,

660
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,159
on the ground facing this when we
drun them on. And then so

661
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,639
it was moving along with you.
Yeah, it was parlaness and then eventually

662
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,000
you tried to get away from it. Is that right? They're still chasing

663
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,760
it? Sure you were driving?
How fast did you get up to?

664
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:36,280
I got up to about two hundred
kilometers? That's very fast. Have you

665
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:42,079
driven that fast before? I haven't
And the car is capable of doing two

666
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:47,239
hundred kilometers and hours? And at
what stage did the object land on your

667
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,920
roof? Oh? How fast were
you're going at the time? I was

668
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,440
still on about two hundred. I
got a blow out and once the car

669
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:05,199
stopped, I blinked up. I
don't know what happened after that. It

670
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,239
was deftly on the roof. How
do we know you're telling the truth?

671
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:15,000
I know it was even witnesses.
But a lot of people think that you

672
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,760
are making it up. Do you
realize that that's not true? No way.

673
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,679
When it landed on the car,
what happened? What was screaming and

674
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,360
yelling? And as soon as I
landed on the car, and that's when

675
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,559
my tire blew out, smoke started
coming in. The cowboys mates started to

676
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:37,880
come in the car, and that's
when I just blanked out. There was

677
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,719
one report that your voices change,
Is that correct? Yes? They did

678
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,360
in what way? Really deep and
slow, and I don't know, we

679
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:53,960
started sounding like that rule deep deeper
in it. Even it was so deep

680
00:57:54,280 --> 00:58:00,320
it's really had to explain or less
like our voice quite as we're told.

681
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,000
If a car has a blow at
a two hundred kilometers and now there is

682
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,159
a dangerson that it would ever turn, you didn't. It's white on the

683
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,840
roof. All right, welcome back
to the show. My guest tonight is

684
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:23,360
Irene Priven and we were talking about
this very unusual case. Irene, welcome

685
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,840
back, Thank you. Well what
did you think of that? Do you

686
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,239
think they were lying? I thought
they were very on edge. Um.

687
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:38,440
And for the person at KGRA radio
where basically this uh you know family is

688
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:45,840
all thirty six hours after the incident, they're all almost being interrogated. They

689
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,760
all seem nervous. I don't I
don't see any signs of um that they're

690
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,519
lying. It's a very unusual story
though, especially this gas comes in the

691
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:01,760
window uh, and makes their voices
change. Uh, And I didn't know.

692
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,199
I mean a car can go two
hundred kilometers an hour, that's what

693
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,000
is that one hundred and sixty miles
an hour or something for that's that's really

694
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,920
fast. Um. And it's bizarre, like if you blow a tire at

695
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,440
that speed, you'd think the car
would be flipping over. But but I

696
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,719
don't. What are your thoughts on
that whole And we're going to play another

697
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:30,079
clip here in a second too time. And there was a lot of ridicule.

698
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,559
It was so bizarre. It was
so bizarre that nobody could believe it.

699
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,719
Yet they you can see that their
assault of the Earth family, though

700
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:44,239
from Western Australia they had this is
not a Victorian cases is another you know,

701
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,960
I think it was investigated by Paul
Norman or anyway, Um, yeah,

702
00:59:49,039 --> 00:59:52,800
Paul Norman thoroughly investigated this case.
Yes he did. Um, and

703
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:59,679
yeah, they you can see that
they're Um, they're not the sort of

704
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:05,960
people that would be into UFOs or
imagine imagine this. That's my feeling at

705
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,280
the time. I just thought it
passed it off along side everybody else's Oh

706
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,239
this is so nonsensical, we can't
we can't cope with it. Put it

707
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,599
out of our mind. Correct me
if I'm wrong. But these all seem

708
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,519
very shy too. They're shy.
The car she was driving, it was

709
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,199
a brand new car, so clearly
they were working hard to get that car.

710
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,519
Um So they were sort of like
in the Western witnesses, ordinary working

711
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:37,079
people that don't bullshit and I don't
see I mean, they had a lot

712
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,920
of ship or if I shouldn't say
that word on the air, but they

713
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,960
had a lot of um, you
know, disbelief, especially by the media

714
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:50,079
laid on them because nobody knew.
I mean, I think if it happened

715
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,519
today, there would be more of
an openness and people think, oh,

716
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,239
yeah, there is a possibility understanding
a little bit more about you know,

717
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,800
the weird wonders of physics and time, and you know, there's more stuff

718
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,639
on the internet to read about,
you know, other experiences that people have

719
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,480
had of time seeming as though it
had slowed down. Now. I want

720
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:17,599
to sort of bring highlight another case
which happened in nineteen sixty seven in Western

721
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:22,280
Australia, so not exactly the same
area, but a similar area in the

722
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:29,159
middle of nowhere out in the outback, and this fellow was they called him

723
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:32,480
mister Harris. I'm not sure if
it was his role. I'm wondering if

724
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,760
we could follow up though with the
other clip on this before we get into

725
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,599
that case, because that case says
that is one I do want to talk

726
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:45,920
about. So let's play the second
clip that continues on with that same family

727
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,559
being interviewed. Here it goes,
was the car on the road at all

728
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,159
times or was it lifted off as
has been reported? We don't really know

729
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:59,760
it. We think it has been
lifted off the road. How long did

730
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,920
it? How long was it with
you this object? About five or ten

731
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,519
minutes, we think. Were there
any sounds or smells y sound and it

732
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,239
sounded like a hum and sound.
It sounded like boom boom boom. And

733
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:19,920
when it was on the roof,
I'll wound them the window and all the

734
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,360
snakes started coming. Was like a
grayish black mist. And that's when our

735
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,719
voices started to change. All of
our voices just went really deep and strange,

736
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:34,960
and we found like we felt like
we were dying. And the brake

737
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:37,239
brod checked the brakes on the car, and this thing just shot off,

738
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:43,239
and as it shot off, we
just sit out in the bushes, got

739
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,800
the car, he oden the bushes, wait for about ten to fifteen minutes.

740
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,199
We went out back to the car, took this, took the wheel

741
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,840
off, chuck back and the book, got the spear wheel out, put

742
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,679
that on and we just loot down
Jack. We didn't ray a bit Jack.

743
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:59,960
Were just checked the jack in the
bushes and we just shot off.

744
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:05,079
And then it started to follow us
again, and it started to come day.

745
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:08,960
It was starting to get daylight,
and it just seemed to lose us

746
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,360
for some reason. We turned the
headlights off and that's when it lost us.

747
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,440
Patrick, had any of you been
drinking? No, no way?

748
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:20,159
Were you tired? I was a
bit tired, yeah, but not tired

749
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,280
enough to see the thing like that? And how scared were your Patrick?

750
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:28,760
Really scared scared us? I've ever
been well, what was your feelings?

751
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,000
What were you feeling at the time
when this was all down the door?

752
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,639
That's what I felt like. We
just made us feel what we're doing.

753
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,159
Have you had any unusual feelings since
had happened? Sick? I won't,

754
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:43,199
I won't turn the lights off and
night a't you scared to go to sleep?

755
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:46,599
Any other feelings. What about you, Wayne, how do you feel

756
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,800
about it? All? Pretty scary? What was the worst part of it

757
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:59,639
for you? He wouldn't Would you
be happy to go back there and have

758
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:01,760
a look round to see what had
happened? Not real? I want to

759
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,880
go back. So just just summing
up, do any of you have any

760
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:11,320
idea? Wayne Short and you think
it was a spaceship? What about yourself?

761
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,519
Missus nul do you have any idea? I reckon it was a beer

762
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,760
if I or something, you know, because it was strange. It was

763
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,920
fallen ass everywhere. Wouldn't nerve us
alone. I was a nervous wreck.

764
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:27,360
I got up to gradge Well,
thank you very much for telling us your

765
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,840
story, and take it leasy on
the roads. Thank you, thank you.

766
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:38,039
Now where was this? It was
it? It was in a desolate

767
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,800
area right there? Was it was? It was it the outback. Actually

768
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:49,159
it was a stretch of road called
the Nulliball Plane because called the Nulliball because

769
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,719
there has absolutely no tree, so
it's pretty much a desert area. And

770
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:59,039
it takes four days, I think
four days to drive from Adelaide to Perth,

771
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,199
So that gives you an idea.
It's a very long stretch of road,

772
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:06,960
So where does someone get fuel patrol? I think there's a couple of

773
01:05:08,159 --> 01:05:13,119
fuel stops. It's pretty much virtually
nothing like tiny towns or a few.

774
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:17,320
I haven't actually been across there myself, but I know people who have,

775
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,840
and so yeah, there are no
virtually no townships or very few townships along

776
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,280
the way, so very desolate.
There was another witness, at least a

777
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,639
truck driver. They said that there
was a lady truck driver who who saw

778
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:40,519
what happened. As well. There
was another news report which I've sent to

779
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:45,800
you we may not have time to
look at, where a journalist delved into

780
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,320
it and said that at around the
same time, there were some fishermen at

781
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:58,360
sea fishing ships that were being harassed
by UFO. So yeah, there was

782
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,679
certainly something going on repeatedly at that
time. And if I just go back

783
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:06,480
to that other case which I've discovered
recently, in nineteen sixty seven, a

784
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:13,800
similar thing happened in a similar place
to a guy. He didn't have any

785
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,960
witnesses, but they did put him
through a psychiatric examination as well. He

786
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:26,480
was driving at sixty miles an hour. This is before our metric conversion,

787
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:35,159
so we were using miles per hour, and he had a light immersed him.

788
01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:41,119
He was immersed in a beam of
light which had emanated from a UFO

789
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:48,079
that had turned up, and he
had this sensation that the car had stopped,

790
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,840
so it instantaneously stopped going from sixty
miles an hour to stop him.

791
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:00,360
And they had a physicist, this
is the Vouf's people had the examined case,

792
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:05,079
had a physicist comment on this um. They the physicists really had a

793
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:13,239
problem that the card was able to
stop completely at with no feeling of deceleration

794
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,239
and then start up again. And
the driver, the witness reported that the

795
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,760
radio and the engine and everything had
stopped during the time that the beam was

796
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:28,320
on him. And the physicist was
saying, if there's no feeling of celeration

797
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:31,159
and the car had stopped, it
would have played havoc with his body.

798
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:36,280
He could not have stopped, It
would have been impossible, so no change

799
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:41,119
of speed and he would have just
and it would have affected the car as

800
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:45,159
well. So yeah, it was
a similar thing where an object appeared,

801
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:50,400
you know, like a bright light
appeared, hovered over the car, shot

802
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:58,199
its beam down, created these strange
effects. And the witness survived to tell

803
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:05,360
the story and um, yeah,
those people, but briefly that's it.

804
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:11,719
Yeah, if I was doing that
interview, not that any better than the

805
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,840
interviewer or at all, But I
mean I would ask, Okay, so

806
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,479
he blacked out, Um, I
can't remember his name, the one that

807
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,720
was driving. He said that he
just blacked out and he doesn't remember what

808
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,840
happened. Well, what about everyone
else? Did they black out too?

809
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:30,479
I mean they didn't. There was
no discussion about that, but it makes

810
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,920
it sounds like a failed abduction attempt
or something like that, you know,

811
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:41,560
possibly, but it just seems like
there's still a lot more question to ask

812
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,279
that that family. Did they ever
talk about it after that? That was

813
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,159
only thirty six hours after the incident. They were growled by the media.

814
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:56,000
It was a media sensation and then
I was so badly treated about that that

815
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:59,920
they refused to talk about it to
anyone ever again, which is really tried,

816
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:01,840
because I think they could have a
lot to offer if people ask the

817
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,520
right questions. And I think I'll
try and dig up a little more about

818
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:14,159
that what was encountered at the time
by the Uphoe researchers. But certainly there

819
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,960
was an interview that I don't know, we probably won't be able to show

820
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:24,840
that one where There's a well known
journalist called Darren Hinch. He's very well

821
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,119
known here in Australia and he even
made it to parliament. He was until

822
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:32,800
recently serving as an independent member I
think in Parliament, and he was he

823
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:42,039
made himself known for supporting people who
had been cases of victims of sexual abuse,

824
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,239
and he got into a lot of
trouble because he would name the perpetrators

825
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:51,439
on the air and caught us a
lot of controversy because yeah, he wasn't

826
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:58,640
supposed to do that, but yeah, he would be supporting of survivors of

827
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:03,039
abuse. Yeah, he himself,
when he was interviewing these people at the

828
01:10:03,119 --> 01:10:08,720
time, made a disparaging comment about
little green men and just he just made

829
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,800
it plain that it was an unbelievable
story. And I thought, on one

830
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,840
hand, these people have been traumatized
by something very weird and he does not

831
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,359
support them yet. Yeah, just
I just found that confusing that he would

832
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,159
you believe in one case but not
believe another. Yeah, that's not too

833
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:32,319
kind, Yeah, yeah that is. That's that's a very interesting case.

834
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:38,119
I don't think I ever heard of
that one. Now I think the woman

835
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,880
said that she reached up on top
of the car and it felt like a

836
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,479
sponge, like a sponge sucking or
something like that. Did anyone ever look

837
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,000
at the surface of the top of
their car. Yeah, they found that

838
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:56,479
there was a whole lot of dust, like black dust, and it was

839
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,560
taken for analysis and we don't know
what the finding of. I think that

840
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,640
they were not able to conclude what
it came from. But once again,

841
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:10,399
that's something that needs a little little
more scrutiny. Is Yeah, a lot

842
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:18,920
of mysteries about the case and the
physical evidence. Now, when we go

843
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,399
back and we have a question came
up just a second, I'll ask that

844
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:30,720
going back to the Westall case and
the teacher that was harassed, he mentioned

845
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:36,600
that there was a military one military
person in an uniform. So does the

846
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:42,439
military, as far as you know
in Australia get involved in these cases and

847
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,840
looking into them or were they also
the people that were telling them at Westall

848
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,640
not to talk about this. Yeah, the witnesses report that people in uniform

849
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:56,439
turned up. When I asked them, can they remember any kind of insignia

850
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:01,680
on the uniform? Nobody could remember
seeing Anya. I think it could be

851
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,800
a couple of things. They were
children and they didn't think to take notice,

852
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,279
and there was a lot going on. Or maybe they were just wearing

853
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:15,239
uniforms which were not marked, which
was a bit strange. And even the

854
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:20,760
adult, as far as we know, Andrew Greenwood, did not I don't

855
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:26,119
know how we couldn't have noticed if
it said army or air force or navy.

856
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,039
I think he probably that would have
been something that stuck in his mind,

857
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:33,000
but that didn't come out. He
may have been asked. I'm not

858
01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:39,600
sure. I would be surprised if
he wasn't asked if he remembered what sort

859
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,800
of I believe that they were unmarked
but military looking. Oh. Actually,

860
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:49,239
Kevin, the witness who who saw
the circle left the trace left in the

861
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:54,800
ground, I think he also couldn't. He was a UNI student. He

862
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,640
couldn't remember any kind of markings or
insignia. And also you'll see the documentary

863
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,880
that they they turned up really quickly, is as though they knew that it

864
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:09,359
was I mean, if you look
at the distances that the military base people

865
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:13,439
would have had to travel, um
they were onto it, they were aware

866
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:19,039
that it was happening. Because the
speed at which they showed up after the

867
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:25,960
source of was present. Yeah,
that that is not an uncommon theme.

868
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,039
You hear, you hear about that, um that they somehow seemed to show

869
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:32,359
up. You know, you talk
about like Cacksburg. There's a bunch of

870
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,880
incidents where the military all of a
sudden, they're just instantly there. And

871
01:13:39,239 --> 01:13:44,520
this question is from Mario. He
wants to know, UM, do you

872
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,279
know anything about the Middle Mount Queensland
UFO case of July nineteen, twenty eighteen.

873
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:55,039
No, sorry, you've never heard
of that. Queensland's on the other

874
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:59,399
side of It's like where are you
You're around New York. It's like,

875
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,119
I don't know. It's on the
other side. It's on the other side

876
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:10,680
of the country. We don't really
cover the cases. It's a big distance

877
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,159
away. So if you like you
covering a case on the other side of

878
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:18,880
the United States, it's the difficult
act. But we might hear about stuff.

879
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,800
But I personally, I'm sorry,
I don't know about that case.

880
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:28,840
Sure there is there, you know
how you have the Victoria UFO action.

881
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,119
Is there a group over in Queensland
as well? Yes, there is,

882
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:40,279
UM, Yeah, we UM have
some interaction with them, but because of

883
01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:44,520
the distance we can't sort of travel
to. Um. I think some of

884
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,560
the people in our group do have
more interaction or have been to their conferences,

885
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:53,520
but UM, I don't. I
don't know much about what's happening there.

886
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,119
I'm sorry. Yeah, David makes
a good point here, David from

887
01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:02,000
the UK the military, we're probably
within twenty minutes, so they were probably

888
01:15:02,079 --> 01:15:05,640
tracking it. And that's that's really
interesting. Check. Yeah, that could

889
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:11,640
be it. They may have been
tracking it to the school that happened.

890
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,000
It might have been. And then
there's a mystery of the airplanes. I

891
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:19,920
think if anyone who's interested in the
west All case will know that the airplanes.

892
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:27,399
Um, the the log books were
checked at Marabin Airport. I think

893
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,680
Shane went and looked at trying to
get who might have been flying those planes,

894
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,600
but there was no There were no
entries, which is quite bizarre.

895
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:39,880
There were five planes seen flying around
by many people, but there were no

896
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:45,319
records of who was flying those planes. Isn't that something so they don't know

897
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:50,239
if they were military planes or not. Basically, yeah, what a mystery.

898
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:54,960
And yeah, I know we already
talked about that. It's just it's

899
01:15:55,039 --> 01:16:00,520
just one of those but it's probably
your rise. Well right, well,

900
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:09,359
yeah, definitely, definitely Roswell and
a case that But would you say that

901
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:15,760
you think that's a consistent case Rosewell's
not so consistent, but that case in

902
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:21,560
particular seems fairly consistent with the witnesses. Yeah. I think what Shane has

903
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,479
done is a pretty thorough job.
He has a Facebook site which he keeps

904
01:16:27,159 --> 01:16:31,199
it's a closed group where he keeps
everybody informed when he finds out something,

905
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:38,880
so he's constantly, well not constantly, but every now and then something will

906
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,760
pop up where he's someone has approached
him or he's found another person who has

907
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,159
information relating to the case. So
I think it was talking about in your

908
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:56,359
interview about the person who was a
descendant of a personnel from the Department of

909
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:03,359
Supply who had up to journal and
the journal was mysteriously gone missing. The

910
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,880
family don't know where it is.
I don't know what's happening. That that

911
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:11,399
was sort of like a leak that
seem to go somewhere for a little while,

912
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,319
which would be interesting to see if
he's got any more information on it.

913
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,359
I'm really waiting for Shane's book.
He promises that he will be releasing

914
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:24,560
writing and releasing a book, and
that would be fantastic if he could do

915
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,520
that quite soon. Yeah, I
know we're bouncing around a little bit,

916
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,119
but I do want to go back
to the Nulls case where we were talking

917
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:35,359
about, because I'm kind of like
churning things over in my mind after we

918
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:41,880
watched that clip, and it's really
bizarre. I can't think of any other

919
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,359
incident anywhere where anyone has ever talked
about like a mist being sprayed into their

920
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,880
car and then it changed their voice
level. I mean, if you were

921
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,439
going to make up a UFO story, would you put that in it?

922
01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:00,479
I don't think so. It's such
a bizarre, bizarre If you read Valets

923
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,760
cases, it's impossible to read through
all them, but I had a crack,

924
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:08,760
but there are some similar things,
and I think I want to go

925
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,239
and dig out something about miss occurring. I don't know whether the mist has

926
01:18:13,319 --> 01:18:18,119
something to do with their voices changing, but I suspect if from other cases,

927
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:24,880
this is not unfamiliar. Actually,
after reading his collection of accounts,

928
01:18:25,359 --> 01:18:30,159
where it seems as though time has
slowed down and their voices is as time

929
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:36,239
is going very very slowly, and
perhaps the voices you know, when you

930
01:18:36,319 --> 01:18:42,720
slow down a recording. That's I
didn't think of it in that manner,

931
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,199
right, I was thinking that their
voice has just changed. But you think

932
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:50,640
so, do you think that's all
part of the time slowing. Possibly.

933
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:55,199
I don't know. I'm not a
physicist. I'm just a humble butt and

934
01:18:55,359 --> 01:19:01,159
I know nothing. But well,
it's definitely it's definitely curiosity as as what

935
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,760
that was about. But I mean, I'm wondering, you know, you

936
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,319
say the family isn't really active and
talking about it, but I'm wondering if

937
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:13,399
there was any side effects later,
you know, like a year later,

938
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,520
two years later, Did anyone have
any health issues related to that? It

939
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,039
would be very interesting to know that. But I completely understand how after they

940
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:26,760
were treated and the environment at the
time that they wouldn't want to talk about

941
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,880
it, and they were they looking
at it now, it's quite clear that

942
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,479
they were very traumatized by I don't
know whether they received any counseling or they

943
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:41,399
offered any counseling. It doesn't what
they were well, they certainly didn't do

944
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:46,079
it for sensationalism, and they were
making money because if they especially if they

945
01:19:46,079 --> 01:19:49,479
don't want to talk about it anymore, they wouldn't have to send out.

946
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,000
It wasn't a motive to share it. It was really brave of them to

947
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:57,479
share, knowing the ridicule factor that
was around, especially in Australia at the

948
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,079
time. But I think that they
would concern that would happen to someone else,

949
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,279
and that's why they spoke about it, and they you know, it

950
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,560
was like a cry for help,
what's going on? Please tell us what

951
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,760
has happened to us? You know, we don't want someone else going through

952
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,479
the same thing, right this Knights
do put up this up that Betty and

953
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:26,520
Barney Hill had a pink powdered sprayed
on their clothsing car. I wasn't aware

954
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,479
of that. Maybe I just I
don't remember ever talking about that, But

955
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,199
it's very very possible. I do
remember something about the dress, but I

956
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:41,640
just don't remember anything about a pink
powder. But next time I speak with

957
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,640
Kathy Marden on that case, I'll
try to remember to bring that topic up.

958
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,640
Someone said it was disinfectant spray.
Yeah, because we're alien to them.

959
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:59,199
Well. Grant Cameron writes about all
of the bizarre things that he's a

960
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:04,800
great analyst, that he collects the
stories and looks at them thoughtfully and his

961
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,039
conclusion is maybe a lot of this, and I think Valet talks about this

962
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:14,039
as well, A lot of this
has no purpose except for getting our attention.

963
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:16,119
Maybe the spray or the powder had
no purpose, but it was just

964
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:23,159
something left there. But whatever intelligence
this is to connect with us in a

965
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:26,439
bizarre way, or to make us
think, or to make us look into

966
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,720
something, it's part of the theater. Yeah, well, I had speaking

967
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,680
of that along that line. I
was helping out last night with the SCU,

968
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:42,720
which is the scientific Coalition for UAP
studies. A lot of scientists are

969
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,439
involved in that, and there was
a gentleman on there, Peter, speaking

970
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,960
about the Drake equation and has thoughts
on that, And so I got into

971
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:55,560
a bit of a discussion with someone
in the chat room about because a gentleman

972
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:01,239
posted in there that UFOs with weights
aren't really UFOs because why would they have

973
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:04,560
lights. So we get back and
forth and went back and forth with the

974
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,640
discussion, Well, how do you
you know what is your evidence for this

975
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,000
that it's not He said extraterrestrial,
and I said, I'm not saying it's

976
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:16,399
extraterrestrial. We don't know what it
is. But your what is your evidence,

977
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:21,439
and we went He said it makes
no sense unless of propulsion, which

978
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,560
I agree it makes no sense.
But then again here you are talking about

979
01:22:27,399 --> 01:22:30,039
um. Maybe so we'll pay attention. Maybe that's it. I don't know

980
01:22:30,399 --> 01:22:34,520
what the reason. They really don't
need lights, but a lot of them

981
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,359
have lights. Well, this is
what I've just Readen Grants excellent book,

982
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:45,159
Contact Modelities, and he says the
same thing. They don't need lights that

983
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:48,279
can be invisible when they want to
be. And it's so they switched their

984
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:56,720
lights on so that we can see
them. It seems maybe yeah, yeah,

985
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,520
I mean right, they don't have
to they don't have to show themselves,

986
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,359
but obvious they're not afraid of showing
themselves. I mean, my one

987
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:09,239
UFO sighting, whatever it was wasn't
hiding, you know, It's not like

988
01:23:09,319 --> 01:23:12,439
it was huge and over me.
But I mean it was very visible and

989
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,000
so I don't know, no lights
on it though, but the whole thing

990
01:23:16,119 --> 01:23:19,920
had a what I saw, I
had a blue glow around the whole thing.

991
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:26,399
And I have only heard a couple
of people say something similar. So,

992
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,439
anyway, any other interesting cases.
We are going to be taking calls

993
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:35,119
here in a minute, but any
other interesting cases that you've looked into.

994
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:45,520
Oh, well, there's a few
recent ones. We sort of still mulling

995
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:54,880
over them. One case where a
husband and wife captured on video very bright

996
01:23:55,039 --> 01:24:02,000
light over their property and a very
strange humming sound and something unusual on the

997
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:08,840
video. But we couldn't really work
out what it was. But yeah,

998
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:15,920
but they lived in it in a
bush land property, a little bit remote.

999
01:24:17,039 --> 01:24:20,039
And this is you know, going
back a year or a couple of

1000
01:24:20,119 --> 01:24:27,560
years ago maybe, And when we
examined what they showed us, it wasn't

1001
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:32,720
the light was coming from above and
sweeping over the area, and it didn't

1002
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:38,079
look like it was a truck or
a car. So yeah, once again

1003
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:44,560
the lights and they felt this,
they felt and heard this humming sound and

1004
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:50,640
they felt disturbed and frightened by it. Another one just days ago or later.

1005
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:54,800
Just before you move on from that
one, though, let me just

1006
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:59,279
ask you this one. Did do
you think that they felt I mean heard

1007
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:03,119
people say they felt the noise more
than they heard it. Is that a

1008
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:08,279
description that they would see? Yeah, I think that's how it was.

1009
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:15,159
They heard it as well. It
was a vibrating humming, a very strange

1010
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:19,039
it was unnerving to them, that's
why they contacted us. And another guy

1011
01:25:19,159 --> 01:25:26,800
went outside to take his dog to
the bathroom to do these bathroom duties outside

1012
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:31,600
and witnessed a silver not a silver
like a I think he said it was

1013
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:36,680
a cigar shape thing with lights drifting
across the sky. He called his wife

1014
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:42,239
and she came out and saw the
same thing. We have another fellow who

1015
01:25:42,359 --> 01:25:48,199
we talked to whose wife saw I
think it was a triangle fly quite close

1016
01:25:48,319 --> 01:25:53,520
over the roof of their house,
and she called him and he came running

1017
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,640
out and he witnessed it going off. And he'd had an experience earlier in

1018
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:05,880
life with seeing a landed craft and
some beans in another country where he was

1019
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:13,279
from. So it's ugoing. It
amazes me that it's not just in the

1020
01:26:13,399 --> 01:26:16,479
United States, it's worldwide. Here
on the other side of the earth.

1021
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,319
There's a surprising number of cases,
even though our population is quite low,

1022
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:26,479
and not just looking at cases of
people seeing things individually. Where two people.

1023
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,279
I mean, in the case of
this fellow where he saw the landed

1024
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:34,760
craft and the beans, he was
with a family member, So yeah,

1025
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,640
there were two people that saw the
same thing. Interesting, are you familiar?

1026
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,640
I'm putting this up from Briant of
the Bendigo you are away in the

1027
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,960
nineteen eighties. I must admit I
haven't looked at it, but I know

1028
01:26:48,079 --> 01:26:51,239
that there have been waves. I'm
reading now because as I said, I'm

1029
01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:55,720
a new kid on the block and
I'm still coming across. But yeah,

1030
01:26:57,079 --> 01:27:00,680
yeah, it seems like Bendigo that
region could be a little bit of a

1031
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,439
hot spot. As in I'm reading
it about the east of our state.

1032
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:11,079
Bensdale is another kind of not very
highly populated sort of dairy country and forest,

1033
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:17,479
and that's certainly a hot spot.
And our president of our group,

1034
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:24,399
Ben Hurl, is from that area, so he's pretty much interested in the

1035
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,920
cold cases of the past, and
he talks. He actually does go to

1036
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:33,640
Queensland and give talks to the peep
up in Queensland and and he's very much

1037
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:42,279
into the cases. Are you talking
about her? Yeah, yeah, he's

1038
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,279
somebody talked to about the Bent Bent
headlights case. Um, yeah, let's

1039
01:27:46,359 --> 01:27:50,079
talk about that too. That's always
fascinating. But before we do, I

1040
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:55,199
just wanted to let people know,
especially over at KGr A Radio, that

1041
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:59,800
we are taking cars now and that
number is eight five five four seven two

1042
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,359
five four eighty three. That's eight
five five four seven two four eight three.

1043
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,840
Bill is standing by. He'll screen
your call and I'll bring you into

1044
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,439
the show, so I'll feel free
to call in. Yeah, let's hear

1045
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:16,039
about the band Headlights case. I
know I talked about that. I think

1046
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:19,680
I talked about that with Paul Dean. Yeah, look, you're probably better

1047
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:25,760
off sticking to pool and being And
that's not the one that I'm really across

1048
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:31,800
the details off. But yeah,
that's very unusual case. Yeah, and

1049
01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:38,279
where the lights turned another thing that
didn't absolutely made no sense at all.

1050
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:42,239
Well, we had a fellow come
out. He was actually a very well

1051
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:46,239
known radio broadcast, a bit of
a personality. He's written a song for

1052
01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:51,000
the football that gets played at the
Grand Final every year. And Mike Brady

1053
01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:56,199
his name is, and he was
a young man in a band and he

1054
01:28:56,319 --> 01:29:00,600
was traveling around the countryside and they
said around that time and around that place

1055
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,800
they had a weird encounter where they
had a strange noise heard and felt this

1056
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,119
strange noise and the cast they were
in a van, I think, and

1057
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,560
the van came to a stop and
there was nothing wrong with the van.

1058
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,600
It was a brand new van.
That had no mechanical issues whatsoever, and

1059
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:23,399
they came into this area around where
the bent headlights thing happened, and it

1060
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,039
came to a stop for no reason, and then I think later on it

1061
01:29:27,159 --> 01:29:30,239
mysteriously started up again. I think
I've got that right. But that's the

1062
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:34,520
guts of the story. So yeah, for this guy to come out and

1063
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:40,119
say, yeah, well I've had
a weird thing happened around the time and

1064
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:45,680
in the place as well, so
it must be. Yeah, so we're

1065
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,319
talking a couple of things happened that
you're aware of where the Westall case happened.

1066
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:55,680
So that so there are, like
we have here in the United States

1067
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,399
seemingly are some hot spots. What
else would you call them? Right?

1068
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:05,720
I mean there's more than one sighting
on different days, and yeah, yeah,

1069
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,720
on the last one, someone wanted
to know if there was any missing

1070
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:18,960
time? Did they mention that?
Well, I don't, Yeah, I

1071
01:30:19,079 --> 01:30:25,880
can't answer that question. The case
of the case of that was similar.

1072
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:32,840
In nineteen sixty seven, the mister
Harris for remarked that he had a bit

1073
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,840
of missing time. His watch stopped
and it was running five minutes slow.

1074
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:43,399
And the watch was an Amiga chronometer
and it normally doesn't lose any time at

1075
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,960
all, he said, So he
had a in the duration I think it

1076
01:30:48,039 --> 01:30:53,159
was a five minute five minutes that
he was in the beam and the car

1077
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:58,600
stopped, appeared to stop, so
he lost that time that five minutes and

1078
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,600
it didn't affected his watch. So, you know, in relation to the

1079
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:06,960
Norse case and a similar case,
I think it looks like missing time,

1080
01:31:08,079 --> 01:31:14,039
isn't it. Yeah? Wow,
yeah, the missing time thing. It's

1081
01:31:14,119 --> 01:31:19,520
funny people allude to it so often
that they have that they have that,

1082
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:25,079
you know, I mean they I
can't even remember the first time I heard

1083
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:27,520
about it, but it seems to
me. You know, one of the

1084
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:32,399
fascinating ones for me in that particular
case is we have this case up here

1085
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:38,199
in Maine. Happened in Maine way
back and I think the late nineteen seventies

1086
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:43,880
called the Alagash incident. And have
you heard of that. I've heard of

1087
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,560
it, but remind me details.
Well, they're out there, there's four

1088
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,800
guys. They're out in the canoe
their way in a very remote area of

1089
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:56,439
Maine, extremely remote, and they
saw earlier that day, they saw a

1090
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:02,960
light, they saw something with someone
else with them. Then they're out in

1091
01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:08,680
their canoe to go night fishing.
They built a great big fire so they'd

1092
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,680
know how to come back to shore. So they're out in the canoe,

1093
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:16,039
the four of them, and this
thing comes right over them and chuck,

1094
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,840
one of them did something kind of
silly. He flashed a light at it.

1095
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:26,359
A flashlight started blinking the light at
it, and so then all of

1096
01:32:26,399 --> 01:32:29,439
a sudden, they all these things
happened. They don't really remember, but

1097
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,479
what they do remember is when they
were going back to shore, the fire

1098
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,359
was burnt down all the way down
and it would have taken hours for that

1099
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:41,159
to happen, you know, And
they didn't even think of it. It

1100
01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:43,800
was like they, oh, that's
weird, that type of thing. And

1101
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,079
then ten years later they started having
the dreams. They all had the same

1102
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:55,399
dreams and basically had suppressed it for
about ten years before it came out.

1103
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,960
Let's see, you know, I'm
going to bring Bill, and Bill has

1104
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,199
a couple of questions for you,
So I'm going to bring him in.

1105
01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:05,600
I've never done this before, but
Bill, you're a great guy and you

1106
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:12,039
always have some great thoughts. I
saw you putting something in the private chat

1107
01:33:12,079 --> 01:33:14,439
here, so you had a question, Yeah, I don't know how my

1108
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,319
vironuments because you just gotta be young, but you sound good. Kay.

1109
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:25,039
There's a lot of folks that believe
that the consensus is that people have traumatic

1110
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:31,680
experiences when they're engaging with extraterrestrials,
allegedly in Australia. With your contact with

1111
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,199
people that have had experiences, what
is the folks over there going through?

1112
01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:40,960
Do they think that the majority of
malevolent in nature benevolent? Is there a

1113
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:51,840
balance? Look? Mary Rodwell collects
more data from people who have had experiences

1114
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:58,319
with beings. I think if there's
an experience with just a craft, it's

1115
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,039
and you're not looking for it's like
what the hell is this and why is

1116
01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:08,520
it here? And that in itself
is traumatic because it's um, it's we're

1117
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:14,920
not primed to expect a UFO visit
because of the taboo around the topic,

1118
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:20,640
so it comes I think even though
the experience itself might be benign, it

1119
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:27,319
might come across as being threatening in
that there is the unknown and the unexpectedness

1120
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:34,680
of it. Yeah. I mean, we've had people that have had reported

1121
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:46,439
very clear waking dreamlike states where they've
felt either yeah, it's it's the same

1122
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,199
as in the from what I'm reading. It's the same as anywhere else in

1123
01:34:49,239 --> 01:34:53,199
the world. It's a mix.
It's a mix. Or it might start

1124
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:58,520
off as feeling threatening and then progress
if it continues to progress to being non

1125
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,079
threatening, you know, in the
way that Whitley talks about it, I

1126
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:06,359
think he he I haven't read his
books. I've been a bit too frightened

1127
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:12,119
to read his books. But from
what I understand of what I've listened to

1128
01:35:12,279 --> 01:35:15,439
what he has had to say that
he had started off with it being threatening

1129
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:20,159
and then coming to terms with it
and feeling differently about it later on.

1130
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:24,800
So yeah, I think it's consistent
with what happens elsewhere in the world.

1131
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,840
To answer you a question, I
want to show everyone. This is Bill.

1132
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:32,439
Everyone on YouTube Bill Bill's oh yeah, he's pointing to my painting.

1133
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:38,319
Then he has there, So yeah, Bill is the one who screens for

1134
01:35:38,399 --> 01:35:42,399
those who you call in. Um, he's over at KGr A radio and

1135
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,279
he's the one that takes the calls. So we do have we do have

1136
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:49,760
that available. Again, that phone
number is nine. I'm sorry eight five

1137
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,159
five four seven two five four eight
three, and feel free to call in

1138
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,159
Bill. You have anything else,
Yeah, just a couple of more things.

1139
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:02,439
Um as far as Australian society in
general, do you think they're more

1140
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,279
open minded? Because over here it's
all I would say, Whyte, And

1141
01:36:05,319 --> 01:36:09,720
maybe you can clarify this a little
bit. What would you say the consensus

1142
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:14,680
here in the States about fifty percent
maybe even higher of people having an open

1143
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,560
mind when it comes to the possibility
of extra terrestrial life, I would say

1144
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:23,119
that would be high. But about
actual visitations that were being visited by actual

1145
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:28,640
terrestrials or maybe interdimensional or some other
parallel universe, whatever that is. What

1146
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,079
do you think it is over there, Iran? Is it more open minded

1147
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:36,720
over there or accepting of the possibilities
there? I think people who are in

1148
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:45,520
the community vary in their degrees of
like like in the United States, it's

1149
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,159
a diverse community, ranging from the
nuts and bolts, people who are just

1150
01:36:48,319 --> 01:36:54,239
interested in the craft and not particularly
interested in who's piloting them. And then

1151
01:36:54,319 --> 01:37:01,159
there's the on the other gamut of
people who've had who report having abduction experiences

1152
01:37:01,359 --> 01:37:06,239
or contact experiences. So amongst the
community, it's pretty much the cross section

1153
01:37:06,359 --> 01:37:11,640
is similar to what's in the United
States. But as far as the general

1154
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:19,199
society, people outside of the community. No, it's amongst the younger generation

1155
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:26,680
because of the documentaries and TV shows
and science fiction that has primed the younger

1156
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:30,399
generation. I'm talking about people under
fifty. There's much more openness than people

1157
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:34,199
are happy and willing to talk about
and explore ideas as to what it could

1158
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:38,800
be or what's out there, it's
a big universe, etc. But certainly

1159
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:46,319
people who are above fifty sixty of
that generation that were successfully conditioned by all

1160
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:54,640
there's don't be silly. There's no
such things as lying sawses. There's absolutely

1161
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,760
if you talk about it, you
find that you'll hit a brick wall and

1162
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,479
that yeah, there's no such thing. That they believe there's no such thing,

1163
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:06,119
but that there is too. I
mean, I think Australian society is

1164
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:10,680
starting to open up, especially since
the New York Times and the tic TAC

1165
01:38:11,159 --> 01:38:16,079
thing. But quite often nine times
out of ten you'll talk to people and

1166
01:38:16,119 --> 01:38:19,920
they have not even heard of that
case, and there's sort of like not

1167
01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:27,880
really an interest. Um, what's
going on with the Kardashians is much more

1168
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,399
important. Well, I've got to
go take some callers. We've got callers

1169
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:35,000
on the line. But maybe you
guys can also touch on Paine Gap and

1170
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:42,720
the mysterious there's mysteriousness behind that.
So all right, all right, thanks

1171
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,680
thanks Bill. So, yeah,
we have a screening a call right now.

1172
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,079
Well we'll take that call and as
soon as he's done with that.

1173
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:55,880
Yeah, So yeah, Paine Gap. Um, that's a series I've washed

1174
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:00,479
a little bit of. Is there
really something going on with with that?

1175
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:05,439
I mean, Pine Gap, Well, it's a listening station. It's um.

1176
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:11,159
I think it's well known here that
it's a base in conjunction with the

1177
01:39:11,239 --> 01:39:15,439
United States. Is actually a really
nice TV show called Pine Gap. Yeah,

1178
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,560
that's what I'm talking about. I've
watched that. Yeah, yeah,

1179
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:24,199
yeah, So it's um, it's
a spy station and it's sort of looking

1180
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:28,840
at UM and I think there's a
lot as you realize with the military,

1181
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,439
that there's stuff that they definitely are
doing that they'd be happy to have people

1182
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,560
look at something and say that's a
UFO and yeah, okay, it's a

1183
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,640
UFOE. Just don't keep looking at
that and don't look at what we're doing.

1184
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:47,039
So Pine Gap, I believe falls
into that category. The I don't

1185
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:51,359
know that it's I really can't say
whether it's an underground base and there's upo's

1186
01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:57,800
flying in and out of it.
We did talk to somebody who was a

1187
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:03,399
child that lived in that area because
his parents were working in that town,

1188
01:40:04,079 --> 01:40:12,199
and of course they come across the
military that that work there. Apparently Pine

1189
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:15,119
Gap is a place that you get
sent to if you haven't done the right

1190
01:40:15,239 --> 01:40:18,439
thing in the United States as a
military person. It's sort of like a

1191
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:24,479
banishment to the other side of the
Earth. That's a punishment posted to Pine

1192
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:30,840
Gap. And he was a child
and reported that overhearing adult conversation that something

1193
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:35,720
interesting and unusual was trapped, an
aerial phenomenon was trapped at Pine Gap.

1194
01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:41,359
But how often that happens and comes
across their screens or whether they're particularly looking

1195
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:46,079
for it, who knows. Yeah, we have a part. I'm sorry.

1196
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:50,199
Duncan from Palm Beach, Florida.
Hi, Hi Duncan, Welcome to

1197
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:58,239
the show. Hello Mars and him. Very quick question. I was curious,

1198
01:40:59,399 --> 01:41:04,520
what, if anything, do the
aborigin Is in Australia say about this

1199
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:13,880
topic. Does it play any part
in their traditions? Interesting question, Look,

1200
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,439
I would like to find out a
lot more about that. Of course,

1201
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:25,199
people guests have come across the Wandina
paintings, where I think Von Dannikin

1202
01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:34,920
pointed out a connection that people sort
of enjoyed his connection with the way ets

1203
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:40,760
apparently lookin and the paintings with the
big eyes of the on the cave paintings.

1204
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:47,359
I don't know much about that,
and where the people who around the

1205
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:55,960
communities that make have made these artworks
live is very remote. The average Australian

1206
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:00,239
living in the cities doesn't really have
the opportunity to have contact with um,

1207
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,439
the people in these regions, and
I would really love to go and pursue

1208
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:11,800
that some more. But certainly there
are long told stories of the spirits that

1209
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,880
they have contact with. It are
weaved into their culture and it's you know,

1210
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:21,000
to talk about their culture. Like
the Aboriginal people had many different nations

1211
01:42:21,159 --> 01:42:28,880
before they were colonized, and each
had their own particular stories and languages.

1212
01:42:29,319 --> 01:42:32,079
So it was like talking about the
Europeans, what do the Europeans say?

1213
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,560
Well, it depends on what region, what country, what nation, what

1214
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:43,479
language. So it is a very
complex um thing that has been under researched.

1215
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:47,399
In my opinion. I did talk
to a fellow who phoned in when

1216
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:51,960
James Fox was offering. He came
over when he was doing the Westall thing

1217
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:57,800
and went on national television offering award
and a reward to anybody who had some

1218
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:08,600
information about physical evidence of a UFO. And a gentleman from a I can't

1219
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,760
remember where it was, it was
somewhere in New South Wales said that he

1220
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:15,920
had an experience as a school child
and a whole lot of school children saw

1221
01:43:15,039 --> 01:43:18,479
the appearance of a UFO. These
are indigenous school children and when he was

1222
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:24,239
a child and they were on a
mission, that's right, And I think

1223
01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:28,800
that the priest that was running the
mission saw it was sounded similar to the

1224
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,000
Father Gill encounter. But the kids
were very frightened by the appearance of this

1225
01:43:33,279 --> 01:43:39,760
object. And yeah, this is
a story, like I don't know he

1226
01:43:40,039 --> 01:43:42,920
was using someone else's phine. I
don't know how to get to him again.

1227
01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:45,640
And I'd like to be able to
travel and meet him and talk to

1228
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:53,880
him about his story. But you
know, you sometimes lose contact with people

1229
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,880
and stories get lost, which is
a shame. But yeah, it really

1230
01:43:58,039 --> 01:44:02,079
requires Australia. But because of the
physical distance and the remoteness and the low

1231
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:08,640
population to be able to you sort
of need somebody to have a full time

1232
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:12,800
job traveling and talking to people,
and they even just to get their trust

1233
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:16,319
to get them to talk about it
because the people here, the indigenous people

1234
01:44:16,399 --> 01:44:24,840
here, have been so badly treated
through colonization that they're not willing to you

1235
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:31,439
know, share things, which yeah, I completely understand the traumatization that they've

1236
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,199
been through, like the Noel's family. You know, I don't want to

1237
01:44:34,199 --> 01:44:40,680
talk about things again because they've had
it a bad time of it, you

1238
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:48,399
know. Yeah, anything else done? Question that doesn't really doesn't. No,

1239
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:55,720
No, that was actually I actually
did learn something from that from your

1240
01:44:55,800 --> 01:45:00,359
answer. M thank you. I
thought it was a great question. Um,

1241
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,920
so thanks a lot, Duncan,
thanks for the call. Bye bye.

1242
01:45:05,279 --> 01:45:09,239
All right, all right, so
the line is open. That's eight

1243
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:13,479
five five four seven two five four
eighty three. UM. Now, as

1244
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:18,640
far as the Aboriginees, since you
brought that up, that is Ah,

1245
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:25,960
they go way way back in Australia. I mean tens of thousands of years,

1246
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:32,079
don't they am in their civilization here
some sixty to eighty thousand years I

1247
01:45:32,199 --> 01:45:40,720
understand. And so there there,
Uh you mentioned that there are drawing,

1248
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,960
so they're like, uh, like
on stones and things like that. Are

1249
01:45:44,039 --> 01:45:48,680
there rocks and things, rock paintings, rock paintings, So um maybe this

1250
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:54,359
is a topic for another another show, but um yeah, there have been

1251
01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:00,399
um a particularly in Western Australia,
being with very large eyes sort of white

1252
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,399
white beans with large eyes that are
very reminiscent of what people report having seen

1253
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:12,920
the will say the ruer children being
with very large, hypnotic black eyes,

1254
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:16,760
and so they talk about these as
being the spirit the guardian spirits of that

1255
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:21,800
area, and the spirits that you
have to ask permission to enter an area,

1256
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:29,239
and the spirits that they interact with. So um yeah, it's another

1257
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:35,479
it's another dimension. It's quite different
to our materialistic culture that we're it's a

1258
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:42,880
very spiritual culture and very very in
touch with the workings of the earth and

1259
01:46:43,079 --> 01:46:46,560
nature, and we quite removed from
that. Our lives couldn't be more different.

1260
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:51,640
In the cities. I've heard a
story about how the very old men

1261
01:46:53,279 --> 01:46:57,439
when they come into the city,
they're very old indigenous elders, they move

1262
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,279
very slowly, and but and when
you get when you get them out into

1263
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:06,399
the bush, they move like lightning
because they that's their um, that's their

1264
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:13,359
natural environment, and they know how
to get around and they feel at home

1265
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,239
there, whereas if they're in the
city, it's overwhelming and it's not their

1266
01:47:16,359 --> 01:47:21,680
natural environment. They're quite different responses
to their environment where where they are.

1267
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:29,920
So, yeah, they're really fascinating, fascinating that field to that needs to

1268
01:47:30,079 --> 01:47:35,720
be researched more in many aspects,
not just in the UFO aspect, right

1269
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:40,279
right, Um, Yeah, I
mean that's similar to the Native Americans here

1270
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,680
that were here. There's the oral
traditions from you know, way back,

1271
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:48,439
and there are some you know there
are I've seen them in person actually in

1272
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:55,479
California there were some right paintings,
nothing that looked like aliens, but still

1273
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:00,159
really fascinating to see. And I
love when you come across things like that.

1274
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:05,640
So we have about seven minutes left
to the show and we will take

1275
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:09,319
one more call if you like to
call in. That's a five five four

1276
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:15,840
seven two five four eight three.
You're the Victorian UFO action. Let's talk

1277
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:23,239
just a little bit about that.
Is that set up where someone can find

1278
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:27,279
that easily online? And of course
I put up the wrong website rant it

1279
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,479
and and how do they is that
a place where people can report they certainly

1280
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:38,920
can. It's vufower dot net.
That's our current website. Are the old

1281
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:43,720
one has been left up because there's
a lot of historical information and videos on

1282
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:48,399
it. We will probably eventually bring
that one down, but people might still

1283
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:51,399
want to look at some things that
are on there. Andrew and Ben did

1284
01:48:51,479 --> 01:49:00,600
some quite informative videos and interviews with
people, so yeah, we are pretty

1285
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:08,279
much focused on being a point of
contacts for if somebody wants to express or

1286
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:13,720
relate an experience that they've had and
they don't know where else to report it.

1287
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:19,880
And also we try to bring people
over from researchers from American particular,

1288
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:30,119
but wherever whoever wants to make the
trick over so that they can I want

1289
01:49:30,119 --> 01:49:36,680
to go. I want to go. But anybody who wants to share their

1290
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:43,359
information, I'm sure people will be
wanting to listen. So yeah, we

1291
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,880
sort of stuck down on the other
side of the Earth, and we're pretty

1292
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:49,479
isolated geographically from the rest of the
world, so we are very curious about

1293
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,960
and try and connect as much as
we can to find out what's going on

1294
01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:59,560
in this realm. So yeah,
we brought over Don Schmidt, so he

1295
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:06,239
spoke Yeah, of course James Fox. He gave a great talk to us.

1296
01:50:08,079 --> 01:50:13,760
There's constant interest in the West all
case. We're all volunteers, so

1297
01:50:14,279 --> 01:50:18,199
you know, it's hard going to
make an event more than once a year.

1298
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:21,279
But we did have an online link
up. We had coronavirus lockdown and

1299
01:50:21,359 --> 01:50:26,840
we had a great response to a
little meet up to talk about local cases

1300
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:31,159
and when you when you locked down
there. Unfortunately, you know, it's

1301
01:50:31,239 --> 01:50:34,279
it's really rough here in the United
States right now, and I am a

1302
01:50:34,359 --> 01:50:39,319
place where people like to go where
they can forget about that for a little

1303
01:50:39,359 --> 01:50:42,720
while. I don't want to focus
on that. But Australia has done a

1304
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:46,960
wonderful job. Well thank you COVID. Yeah, I mean it's it's Nate

1305
01:50:47,039 --> 01:50:54,720
and Day and we're not allowed there. You probably wrapped me in plastic and

1306
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,640
put me in a room for fourteen
days or something. Fourteen days. You

1307
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,600
won't be allowed for a long time, I think because of what's going on.

1308
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,920
So we just got a couple of
minutes, actually three minutes or less.

1309
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:12,239
But I forgot to ask you did
you enjoy the United States? Because

1310
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:15,399
you took quite a track when you
were here. You went to like you

1311
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:19,079
said, we went to Sakara.
We spent four hours on the Roswell field.

1312
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:26,600
I think the guys got directions from
Chap what's his name, the guy

1313
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:30,239
from Ancient Aliens. Um, he
got one sort of directions from Chuck and

1314
01:51:30,319 --> 01:51:34,720
another set from Dawn and we got
confused and we missed a gate. Are

1315
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:42,279
you talking about David Childress? No, Um, ch what was his first

1316
01:51:42,359 --> 01:51:48,439
name, Chuck, Chuck Chikaki or
something like that. Yeah, yeah,

1317
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:53,000
yeah, So he was a great
guy. We met him and he um.

1318
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:58,079
He gave us directions as the best
way to get there because it's quite

1319
01:51:58,119 --> 01:52:00,560
in the middle of nowhere and quite
remote, not easy to get to.

1320
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:04,920
So we spent a long time on
the Roswell field. So we're very familiar

1321
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:13,600
with very familiar with Roswell where it
happened. We visited Marc Brazil's grave as

1322
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,600
well. That was quite interesting to
see where he was laid to rest.

1323
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:28,479
Went to Sikoro and looked at where
Lonnie Zamora saw his beings. Um went

1324
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:31,319
in Rothern, California, too.
Oh. I went to visit James Fox

1325
01:52:32,199 --> 01:52:39,000
and Matt Walter Merch Junior, who
did the sound on the Phenomenon. We

1326
01:52:39,159 --> 01:52:45,520
stayed in his mum place and we
had dinner with James and Rebecca and met

1327
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,760
Ollie again and yeah, we had
a We had a great time. We

1328
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,960
got to see where the Phenomenon was
being edited. We got to visit the

1329
01:52:54,119 --> 01:52:58,800
edit students shack. Yeah, the
shack. They were out of time.

1330
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,279
Irene, thank you so much,
my pleasure. Thank you for having me

1331
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,520
on. Yes, it was a
lot of fun and we'll talk to you

1332
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:11,319
soon. Okay, thanks, all
right, bye bye, all right everyone,

1333
01:53:11,399 --> 01:53:14,079
So that's it for our show this
evening. Next week, as I

1334
01:53:14,199 --> 01:53:17,600
mentioned, we have Whitley streemeron,
so that should be an interesting show.

1335
01:53:18,039 --> 01:53:23,520
And I want to thank you all
very much for joining us tonight, and

1336
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,079
remember to keep your eyes to the
sky.