Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have an interesting one for you this evening. My guest is Irene Previn
and I was actually lucky enough to meet her back in September twenty nineteen when
I was out in Phoenix and she was traveling with a whole group of people
from Australia. And it's the Victorian UFO action. I believe that's what it's
called. I just asked her a few minutes ago. I should know.
Anyway, we are going to be talking about some really interesting cases in Australia.
Some of them you may have heard of, and I think there's going
to be some that you've never heard of. I hadn't heard of one in
particular that we're going to be talking about. This is just a little bit
different for you lucky YouTubers because she has given me. Irene has given me
a number of images and a couple of video clips to show you this evening
while we're live on YouTube, and so I will try to link some of
the images to the show notes too for the people listening to just the audio
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it's time for me to bring in my guests. Welcome to the show.
Arene, Hello, were you Hello? Yes? And you're in the You're
in the future. I said that with Paul Dean the last time I had
a mind. A few weeks ago. You are tomorrow, so we know
that we will make it through tomorrow. You're ten o'clock in the morning over
there, and you're six o'clock yeah, Wednesday, and we're Tuesday. So
thank you for joining us. I really had the utmost pleasurable time talking to
you out in Phoenix. It was it was a great I loved your group.
I loved hanging out with your group, fun people. Thank you.
It was fun to meet you too, and it was fun to see all
of the people that we've been watching over here in Australia on YouTube and listening
to the podcasts and to see you guys in the flesh was pretty exciting.
Now I say this, I've said this a number of times. The Australia
has something like twenty five or twenty six million people, yet they are they
are like the second most listening to this show. When I go through the
analytics, it's either it's the United States first, and it's either Australia or
I believe the UK and back and forth between Australia and the UK that listen
to the show. It's pretty amazing for our country with a ton of people
in it. So what is the interest Why is there such a big interest
in UFOs in Australia. I think because we have such a desert a drought
of UAFO information. Much of the information and openness seems to be believing coming
from the United States. Of course, we know that the Latin American countries
are much more open about UFO topics than the Western world seems to be your
the English speaking world. However, because of the language barrier, it's difficult
for us to access that information unless it's translated. So the United States is
our biggest source of good quality information. We have very little support for people
that do or either have had an experience or do study the UFO topic.
We're much like Britain. I was talking to j from Project Unity recently and
he was saying that in Britain it's pretty much radio silence about the UFO topic,
nothing forthcoming from the authorities. It's not encouraged to be spoken about amongst
scientists. Pretty much the same here that the ridicule factor is still pretty high.
People. One must myself feel nervous about talking about your foe. My
interest in UFOs, which only I was, only came into this about five
years ago. I was really not interested in the topic at all. And
I really believe that people who saw UFOs. I had never heard of a
mass sighting such as Westall, and I thought that people who saw UFOs probably
we had some mental health issues or were on some mind ltring substances. That
was my belief. And do you think that is like part of the culture
there that your feelings of it. I mean, the reason you felt that
way is part of the the you know that it's a French topic and weirdos
and tenfoil hats and all that. Absolutely, yeah, you could probably,
Oh, I don't know if you could be fired from a job, and
until recently you'd certainly life would be and even now life would be very uncomfortable
if you admitted it, and you get put into the new age basket perhaps
or not quite the lunatic basket, but you know you're you're a little bit
left and sent you into this topic. However, having more experience and more
interest in it, I do ask regular people that I come across. I'll
spontaneously meet a person and then just spontaneously ask them, have you ever seen
a UFO, had an experience or strange experience in your life? And it's
surprising the number of people that do actually come out and say, yes,
I have, I've seen something stranger. I've had a weird experience and I'd
love to tell you about it. People that you wouldn't even expect to imagine
that would admit to such a thing. And yeah, so yeah, and
you know, I yeah, since I've said this on the show a couple
of times, you know, since the New York Times article came out,
things have relaxed a little in this country as far as the fringe element.
And I feel more comfortable talking about it now. And I was just involved,
like last two weeks ago, I submitted some artwork to a an exhibit
and I got to talking. I said, I can't do anything right now.
I'm just about ready to go live on a stream. So the person
there said, well, what kind of live stream? What you do?
You know? Said, well, it's UFOs and I believe they're listening to
Night they listened to other shows and hello, Laura. Yeah anyway, but
anyway, I feel more comfortable because of that. Has that had any direct
effect that particular situation where the New York Times article, does Australia pay attention
to that type of thing hardly were having our little circle of friends, A
couple of journalists, you know, investigative journalists. One of them works for
the government funded TV and radio is it a commission or a broadcast service,
which is very conservative and very careful and very scientifically focused organization. Excellent,
good quality information comes out of It's called the ABC and my favorite, probably
my favorite TV radio station to listen to because of the the broad nature and
the intellectually stimulating conversations and information that comes out of it. Yeah, it's
quite surprising. They do cover it a little bit. They just poke at
it with the stick. But match the journalist we're discussing, well, he
has had a long interest in this topic and he keeps on wanting to cover
it a lot more. But they're very careful. I think the editors are
very careful that the information is thoroughly fat checked, and it's sort of like
they have to from what I perceived, that they have to see that the
whole world is reporting on it first, especially the more conservative media outlets in
the United States, before they will touch it. And even I don't know
that they may have covered the tax thing, Yeah, I think they did.
They covered it but it was probably it took about six months a year
more for them to actually cover it after it came out in the United States,
so typically it would take at least a year or more for them to
roll around to Australia. So there you go. So, I know we're
gonna be talking about some cases. Someone already wants to know something. I'll
post that up in a minute. But I know we're going to be talking
about some, you know, well known cases and then a couple of unusual
cases during the show. My question to you is, so, what happens
to the person that has a extraordinary UFO incident and they go to talk about
it. What happens to those people? Where did they go? Oh?
Nowhere, there's nowhere. Since some Project Bluebook in the nineteen sixties, the
climate has in the in the may stream sort of awareness has just generally been
really squatted. I mean, for example, I don't know whether we should
talk about this now or later, but with the Westall witnesses, there's dug
up an article. I don't know if we'll get a chance to look at
that, but it's an article from a magazine called Women's Day and where three
of the witnesses the West. All witnesses are interviewed. Ah, yes,
here we are, and one of the ladies, Pam, I've actually never
seen her before, but she's never come to anything because she was She was
saying in the article that she's never spoken publicly about the incident. She haven't
had never even been back to the place that had occurred, which is called
the Grange. And when she told her father about it at age fifteen,
he laughed at her and told her she was lying. She then wanted to
commit suicide at age seventeen, she was hospitalized, she was given shock treatment
and she yeah, she just she I think she oh yeah. She even
said that she didn't even tell her husband and her five children until recently.
This is really typical. And unless you're unless you're sort of mingling in New
Age circles where there's a lot of openness and people encourage speaking about this sort
of stuff, if you're one of the regular citizens, assault of the Earth
type person, a mainstreamer, there's no way he'll be talking about this.
It's only very recently, and especially since I feel that, especially since the
New York Times article, a lot of people still haven't even read that but
especially since the tick Tack thing came out, and still there's a lot of
ignoring of it, or you know, people are not aware of it.
If you say, have you heard about the tick tack incident, it's sort
of like, oh, yeah, I'll look at it later. This is
amazing and amazing admission, if not an amazing event, but amazing admission.
And to anybody who's not looked at any of UFO stuff at all, to
just see that and to see the data collected and how the military are taking
it very seriously or very open about taking it seriously. They've always taken it
seriously as we know. Yeah, just the responses to say the least.
Well, let's backtrack us a little bit because you mentioned earlier when we started
that at first you thought, you know, people had issues basically that were
interested in this topic, and to you find out there were masks witness sighting.
So let's talk about what is the change from you that was like the
average person in your Australian society. I guess that thinks it's a French topic,
And how did it hit you on the head to make you look into
it. That's a very good question and I'm glad you've asked. I was
living in my town of Adelaide, and I'm a freelance graphic designer. I've
that's what I've done all my life, my whole career. So I'm a
creative person. I'm an artist. So I was looking around for a new
project to take on it and there was one in Melbourne that interested in me
greatly, and that was to help run a community magazine. It was a
six month contract, and so I thought, okay, I'll hop over the
border and you know, resett or here for a little while and do this
project because I think it would be quite fun. And while we were brainstorming
with the participants in the project, somebody mentioned that they would like to have
a column on UFOs like I have a UFO Report regular and I thought,
that's really hilarious. That's really quite funny. That could be you know,
great with you know, we could have wonderful drawings and pictures and paintings of
UFOs included, and it would be just quite whimsical and hilarious. And then
somebody pulled me up and said, well, actually, haven't you heard of
the Westall incident? And I said, no, what's that about? And
this person quite seriously told me that this was a mass sighting about two hundred
and fifty people, many of them school children, but many members of the
Westill community saw as well, saw a UFOE that visited a school. And
so they pointed me in the direction of the excellent documentary that Rosie Jones made
which featured Shane Ryan as the investigator. So I sat down and watched that
and I was pretty much blown away. But before that, just prior to
coming over to Melbourne, you know, being an Internet surfer, I would
like to look up different topics to expand my mind, you know, to
inspire myself from my artwork or whatever. And I did at one point do
a search on whether there were any people studying the UFO topics seriously, because
when you do a quick search, all you see is the weird new age
stuff, which I really couldn't relate to at the time. And I wanted
to see if there were any scientific, you know, things done in a
methodical manner in the study of collection of data about UFOs. And I did
find somebody in my hometown who had actually known over the world, Keith Basterfield,
an excellent researcher who He approaches it as a skeptic, but not a
debunking skeptic, but as a somebody who will genuinely look at whether it's the
sighting, is somebody's imagination or a misidentification, or actually there's something unusual in
it. And he has uncovered a lot of cases where he's eliminated the mistake
aspect and focused on, you know, the the unusualness of it. So
I think he's somebody worth looking at. So I thought, actually, it's
really frightened me when I looked at his cases and I saw not only were
there cases in the neighborhood that I was growing up at the time I was
growing up, but that there are scientists seriously investigating this topic. That really
frightened me because I thought, oh, my god, this is probably real,
and I put it out of my mind. Oh that's Andrew Arnold and
he's interviewing. Oh I don't know who he's interviewing. Okay, that's Keith
Masterfield. Oh that's Keith Masterfield. Oh god, I can't even recognize him.
I've I've only talked to him on email, and he's a good friend
of or he talks to my friend James Rigney quite a bit, especially about
the Wilson documents. So he's done a lot of digging and uncovering there to
establish whether the Wilson documents are truthful or real or not. So. Anyway,
Keith Masterfield, even though he's from my hometown, I've never met him,
and I have a great deal of admiration for him. Anyway, one
from Keith Bastfield back to the project UM and what brought me to Westall Um
The project was the we were working in an area which was very close to
the site of the westall incident, and so I took my team and we
went down and visited the site and we discovered that these the local council has
created a playground with a UFO like a kid's play equipment. There it is
and that's Judith McGinnis from UM Geelong, who's also an investigator UM in the
Geelong area. You know, she's a she's great. So that play equipment
was put there to mark the spot, not the exact spot that the UFO
landed, but the the just to UM as a remembrance for the fact that
it happened to mark the place. And what's remarkable about westall interestingly is we
went down to the place and I found that it's a very unremarkable place.
It's like Skory, New Mexico. I found when we visited that place,
there was nothing remarkable about it. Yeah, I've heard that unremarkability at the
time that it happened. I think Shana has already covered this with your previous
podcast, that it was an area, semi rural area on the fridges of
the suburbs and with market gardens, and now it's just fully suburban, no
market gardens and just that park, and then, you know, not too
far away from the school. So okay. So to find out that there
were so many people that had seen the same thing really turned my thinking around,
and I thought, okay, I would like to meet these people.
So the fiftieth anniversary rolled around, and I didn't see anything on Facebook or
anywhere that was to mark the event, and so I thought, okay,
I'll invite people to a picnic. So I put out a public notice on
Facebook and extended the invitation to the witnesses and anybody else who was interested in
coming. And so we had a little barbecue and I remember the day distinctly.
It was raining, it was light drizzle, and I was not sure
that anybody would show up, and I had a T shirt printed up with
Westall on it so that people could identify me, you know, at least
as somebody who was the point of contact. And I met the witnesses,
and also what impressed me about these people was that their story had not changed
after fifty years. The type of person that they were. They were not
hipping new ages or freaks or drug smokers or alcoholics or anything like that.
They were salt of the earth people and they were not looking for this encounter.
They hadn't probably had any kind of other encounters after that. That's Colin,
He's great. He was on the Oval when and I think the slide
you show previously he was showing us where he saw it. He was playing
cricket and he was pointing where it was hovering. The silver sauce that he
saw was hovering just above the power lines. So if you can imagine just
one of the things that I know that I had Shane Ryan on this show
a while back and we talked about this story. But I think we should
also approach this not to get into too many details because many people aren't that
listen to the show, are aware of exactly what happened, but let's just
do a nutshell of what happened. And I also want to tell you this
one thing that happened after I had Shane on, I had someone contact me
and they said, you know, that whole thing is a bunch of bologney.
This was just some weights that they saw very far away. That's not
the case and anything I've ever seen or heard people talk about. There was
a lot of interaction. But if you wouldn't mind, like in a nutshell,
tell the person who's not aware of the case, what happened that day
and what was the year eighteen? What was that with April six, nineteen
sixty six. It was around what we call mourning recess time, which is
sort of like morning tea for the kids. So the teachers and the students
have a break where the kids get to run around for fifteen minutes and the
teachers. From what I understand from the students, a lot of them went
went racing to the stafframe to have a cigarette. So it was about to
I think it was just before that time, and somebody came in and yelled
that there was a UFO. They came into mister Andrew Greenwood science class and
yield that there was a UFO outside and I think he lost control of the
class. From one of the reports is the kids went rushing to the window
to look outside just go. I mean, there's very everyone's different story,
but it was consistent that they also were some something hovering above the power line.
Colin talks about it there that it was quite distinctively a silver saucer and
there were probably there were actually three of them, three silver sauces they were
playing cat and mouse with. There were five cessna Oh no, I don't
know if they were Cessna's, but five light planes turned up and it seemed
as though they were playing cat and mouse with these light planes and the kids
are outside watching them. There were you have accounts from some of the girls
like Joy Clark and m oh what was her name? Anyway, some of
the other ladies that were girls at the time went racing off to the grange
where they saw the sources move in the direction of and they got quite close
to the saucer which was hovering a few feet above the ground. So,
yeah, this is the grange. This is a little reserve not far from
the school where the kids were used to do their athletics training or running around,
and I understand that there was a it was a sight of teenage intrigue
as well. The kids would get up to, like the older kids would
get up to naughty things. They'll sneak off to the grange and smoke cigarettes
and kiss and stuff like that stuff that teenagers do. So it was a
well known spot for the kids. I think in that last shot you can
see the sorcerer in the background, the playground saucer there it is in the
bottom right. Yeah, so that's I guess in a nutshell. There's a
whole lot more to tell about that, Yeah, I mean from one thing,
you know, there was a story that you know, the teacher actually
came forward and if anyone that watched The Phenomenon, a movie by James Fox,
would see that the teacher was visited and he visited by one I think
you said, a military one in a you know jacket that just said,
you know, you were drunk um, you know, I mean, this
is the story that it's going to be told if you talk about this that
you were drunk and you didn't see anything. You know, they're basically threatening
to destroy his life. So he kind of hid in the shadows, and
even on James film, he wouldn't. The story behind the story of getting
that interview is fascinating because he was so traumatized by that visit that even in
his what's in his eighties, I think now to the day that James convinced
him to go on camera, he would not talk about it. He and
it took his students to I think James took a little video of the former
students of westall witnesses giving him and Joy. You see Joy there in the
pink. She's one of them, one of the key witnesses, Joy Clark
and Sue Savage is the lady with the ponytail, the black hair in the
front of the screen. They all sent him a little message on video that
James brought to them to say, look, it's time. There's nothing that
can happen to you. Please, for our sake, talk about Please support
our story. Please say what you saw and that did it? Like the
pleading of the students to please, mister Greenwood police, please tell your side
of the story for our sake. Did it? Now? Let me just
ask you this and then we can move on from here. But did any
of the witnesses that you spoke to there, did any of them say that
this was something life changing to them? Did you have that feeling in that
they were whenever they spoke about I mean, the climate until recently, as
I've said, has been that of ridiculo. I flying sources or UFOs come
up and as they would do in a workplace or social situation, usually with
ridicule. I remember them saying that, oh, those that like Joy,
Jo is my hero. She's so strong. She would always say that,
well, I had an experience and they're not rubbish. This is Joy.
Actually, I'm hiding behind her. This is a snippet from the Phenomenon,
And that's my little cameo in the film, that true cameo right there.
I'm trying to hide behind I'm the woman in black trying to hide behind the
witnesses. Yes, so Joy actually said at this picnic she said, I
really felt for the victims of the Catholic Church, the children that were molested.
She said, I know our case is nothing like that, nothing as
severe as that, but I do feel for how those children were never believed.
They had these awful traumas, and they were told that they that they
had imagined it. She said, I have a feeling of how they might
you know a little bit of how they might have felt in that they would
never believed. And this is how all of those witnesses were. They were
told to shut up, they were told to not talk about it when the
media were there trying to interview them about it. The media were shut down
and show through their whole lives there's been this climate and of Australia of pushing
it under the carpet, ignoring it, not talking about it. And they
would have had to have arguments or heated discussions with people about you know,
the truth of what they saw through their whole lives. So yeah, I
guess in that it would be pretty life changing. Yeah, and then we
could just wrap this. Why don't we just wrap this part of the story
up. So James comes to Australia without you with him, you meet him.
Actually, did you speak with James before he came to Australia. Um,
I didn't, but James Rickney, my friend did. This is changed
where he travels each year to the United States to attend conferences and he's made
a lot of friends in the UFO realm. James is an architect who lives
in a nearby suburb to where I live. He actually approached me after Westall
the Witnesses Speak. Um, oh no, no, sorry. He approached
me after the Westall picnic that I held at the Grain, and I thought,
who is this strange UFO guy? What does he want with me?
And we went out for a coffee and he convinced me that he was actually
quite a regular guy and quite normal and not a weirdo to my relief,
and we worked on a plot. We actually wanted to have a I had
a dream that the witnesses should be able to meet the public and answer questions
about their experiences to anyone who's interested, so we plotted to make an event.
He got the support of I hadn't met anybody from RUFOA at that point,
and he got me to meet the team and they supported us in putting
on Westall event, which we called Westall the Witnesses Speak. We hired a
theater and we showed Rosie Jones's film with Shane Ryan. Shane came over and
Rosie came and spoke to the audience as well. So basically the format was
we had the film and we had a Q and a panel. We had
Rosie and Shane do a bit of talking, but mainly there was quite an
extended question and answer session. Colin that you see there, who's being photographed
and interviewed by the media at the park in this picture here he spoke on
the panel as well. He actually came down from Queensland and I don't think
he'd been to the site for many years, forty or fifty years. Oh
well, yeah, he hadn't been, or maybe one visit to make the
documentary for Rosie. But yeah, they were happily answering questions from the audience.
The event had a lot of interest. We had um the tickets sold
for it two weeks prior to the event. We had people lining up at
the door wanting to get in on the day and we had to turn people
away. It was amazing. We didn't expect that we would have that much
interest. It's sort of like people are secretly interested in Westall and secretly interested
in Ruer foes, so it was quite incredible. Um yeah, yeah,
let me okay, So yeah, that that that whole thing I remember when
I first started looking into this topic. That was one of the ones I
thought was pretty solid. I wanted to put up hang on just a second,
one thing at a time. Here, okay, here we go.
I wanted to put up a comment that someone asks right here. It pops
up on the bottom of the screen. So they wanted to know what's the
best and newest case in Australia that you know of. I mean you talk
about it's kind of hidden from the media, or do you actually do these
things actually trickle into the media when when there's something that happens. Oh,
I don't know that they particularly go to the media. They would probably go
to a U folk group. Yeah, depending on the area. So we've
got a case in a group in New South Wales that are very active.
We've got a group in quin Sign that are active. Yeah. Best in
US case I really don't know because m yeah, this nothing of the magnitude
of Westall at all. We've had individual sightings where people have seen something by
themselves, lots and lots of cases of I mean people write into us by
email through our website and I think, well, they obviously do to the
other states as well. They write in about their experiences that nothing of the
magnitude of Westall where there's two hundred and fifty or more people that have seen
us up. Yeah, that's up to like three hundred something, right,
isn't it. I think it is. So if you count, there's a
lot of people the adults that lived in the air, that worked in the
area, that have passed away. I think if you estimate those, but
I think Shane has spoken to you are over a hundred people face to face
about their experience. But that's a lot, right What that was about?
Is it three quarters or no? No? I think in the in the
interview with you, he said there were an estimated five hundred people that would
have been around or had seen it. But obviously he couldn't get to that
to all of them because many of the more adults have passed away, So
he's only focusing on the students that we're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
Now one, can I talk about an adult, actually two adults,
young adults that were in the vicinity that were not students at the school.
Oh, that's the old Victorian UFI action website. We've got a new website.
That's okay, that's problem for historical reasons, But we want to look
at four dot net which is our current website, can report things too,
won't. I won't bring that up. I just yeah, okay, yeah.
Um. So there's one gentleman. I don't know if you've got the
photograph. There was one guy who was studying engineering who came up who heard
about from his uncle I think, who lived in the area, and he
came up to have a look at what was going on after it happened,
and he witnessed the crop circle that was left in the grass. And then
he came the next day he brought I think he was bringing his friends.
He said, oh, well, come and have a look. And he
churned up the next day and the military will over it, busy destroying the
evidence of the crop circle or the landing traces on the ground. There also,
this hasn't come out in the film at all. There's so many stories.
There are also some kids that snuck up and witnessed the military burning the
grass and getting rid of the evidence. The military will all over it.
There was this story I really like and it's in the documentary, and that's
Paul Smith was a young market gardener working next to the place with the trees
that you see. That's him on the right there. That Paul Smith.
He was pulling up carrots with his boss. His boss is a few meters
away, and he just sort of looked up while he was pulling up the
carrots and he saw a silver craft not very far away from him. I
think he said it was a hundred feet away from him, and it was
like, I can't remember the exact figure was at twenty or thirty feet up,
hovering above the ground, so he was quite close. Another person that
was quite close to it. I think Terry Peck was the person that was
the closest to it. But he saw what he saw was a silver thing,
and he thought, what's going on? Is somebody projecting an image from
somewhere? Is somebody playing a trick? And then as he was watching it,
it cycled through the different colors like blue and green and purple, and
it sort of looked too. He described it, it was looking like it
was losing transmission. It was kind of crackling, or you know, like
the static on the TV when there's no radio, no TV station at the
end of the transmission. It's sort of like it was sort of all staticy,
and then it became translucent, and then he said it drifted down through
the trees and through the trees. And I said, do you mean that
it was? You know, because the trees, as you can see,
quite close together, and I couldn't see how a craft of this size could
go through the trees and dodge them. And I said, was it going
around the trees and dodging them? How could it possibly go through the trees?
And he said it was like the consistency of smoke. So it had
become like a ghost. It had become ghost like and drifted through the trees,
which is quite amazing. And it's not the first time I've heard something
like that. Yeah, there are similar accounts and um and some that almost
make you think it's a multidimensional or something. You know, it just it
doesn't make any sense. But there are many cases where people will say that
our UFO will just it'll be there and all of a sudden it'll fade and
then or sometimes just show up in another spot instantly, you know, I
mean, just it's such a mystery, what the heck could possibly be?
Who knows? Yeah, so that was now? Was that you said he
was pulling up carrots? I love that. So was that anywhere near Westall
that was right right at the side, and then he said the children.
The children came running after the like a few minutes later he could hear the
pattern of not so tiny feet running and chasing the UFO. And yeah,
so he was at the receiving it where the UFO turned up and then saw
the kids chasing it. And the other thing that he said that was really
interesting at the time. He said, the following year, in the area
where the UFO had been, the potatoes, they planted potatoes in that spot
and the potatoes were huge. They were like footballs. They were abnormally large,
and he said they were good for nothing. They had to check them
out there was they were not not good for selling because they were just too
big. So what how do you explain that there was some effect on the
soil of the UFO apparently to make such big I mean growing the potatoes normally
each year, and then one year after the UFO the potatoes are just enormous.
Why, wow, that is Yeah, that is something. There are
a few cases where you hear about the effects of well, for instance,
Travis Walton, you know, we're supposed the craft came down. There's a
strange uh tree rang growth. You know that? So who knows what that?
You know? I mean, there's all types of speculation of what can
do something like that. Some people say it's, um, you know,
radiation. I don't know if that's if that's it, but yeah, some
kind of radiation. I think Jacques Valet has um made observations in his books
about the effects on vegetation. So yeah, yeah, yeah, So let's
uh, um, let's let's see. We've got about uh like h twelve
or thirteen minutes before we go into our break, and so I would like
to talk about the Someone actually has a question here, let me just pop
it up. Did the potatos get tested for radiation? Who knows? Who
knows? Now? Yeah, somebody was converted testing all of this, but
nothing has been released to the public. There are no files for anybody to
access. Nobody has admitted anything officially on this, so as far as I
know, they haven't. Yeah, well, these potatoes are too big and
then they just got checked out that I think that's pretty much what happened.
Yeah. One of the one of my favorite parts of James film was also
in Australia. I do believe it was Australia where the gentleman took up polaroid
of this craft who result in his garden. That blew me away. That
that picture, that polaroid, that's something that can't be effect That was in
the same year, and in fact I found in UM I've got some old
versions of the Flying Source of Review, which is the pre publication from the
predecessor of UFA, which is called vuf is the Victorian UFO Research m Victorian
up Research. Yeah, that's right. They had an analysis. I think
I sent that to you. Did you get that email? There was an
analysis a very geeky must have been by an engineer or some sort of very
detail oriented person on the ball Win photo and there was a little snippet of
information which I've never seen before. I'm not aware of and I'm not sure
how many people are aware of it. But this is the original research.
Is when the photograph came out in nineteen sixty six, so this publication was
printed around that time. So the photograph was taken I think yeah, that
was days before or days was it days before? The school sighting from memory?
But in the report that verfore was released in this publication was that it
was seen hovering near a school the same craph, not the same school,
but it was the house was I think opposite a school oval or something like
that, which I was not aware of until yesterday. Yesterday was looking through
this stuff in preparation for the show. Wow, who knows that? And
that's another hole. That's another whole interview. We could talk about old research
in Australia with Paul Norman, who was an American guy from Tennessee. He
was born in nineteen sixteen I think, and died in twenty and twelve.
He was an ex Air Force guy and he moved He had his own sighting
in the nineteen fifties when he was managing a power station. He moved to
Australia about ten years later and married I think a local girl. And he
was instrumental and bringing James E. McDonald over to Australia to talk and to
investigate some cases. And he knew Alan Heineck as well. He also called
Alan Heineck born again you apologist. He was a little bit skeptical of him.
That's not a bad term for him, you know, for what happened.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he was. Yeah, although he
respected him, I think he was a little skeptical of him. Um,
and uh, yeah, he's a fascinating person to have a complete whole show
about. Yeah, so you also looked into the Frederick Valentick. Um,
I don't know if I pronounced that right, oh Valantage Okay, yeah,
I've heard it's said many different ways, but that's probably the right way.
You're right. Um, So what have you looked into about that case?
I mean, another fascinating case, but quickly if you would, for the
person that it's unfamiliar with it, Um, just in a nutshell. Okay.
So fred Valentich left forty years ago. He left the Moravian Airport,
which is probably half an hour's drive from where I live at dusk, and
he reported an unusual object flying around him and over him to traffic control and
he well, this is a very quick version. While he was talking to
them, he vanished. He was never to be seen again. He was
doing a quick run to get up his flying hours. He was wanting to
train to be an airline pilot, so he was flying like planes. And
also he was a very skilled aviah in that he would participate in in air
shows and do loop de loops and you know, crazy stuff. So he
was apparently pretty good at what he did, and so he wasn't no novice
even though he was getting his ours up. He was adept at flying and
he knew his stuff and he was careful. We ran an event on the
fourtieth anniversary of his disappearance and we held it at the place he was last
seen, which was the Marabin Airport, and they've got a little restaurant function
center there, so we heard of our function. They're invited people who were
interested and we had a very long seminar where Andrew Arnold produced the basics of
the case, the introduction to the case as to what happened. And then
we had one of the researchers that was there at the time working with Paul
Norman, who invested gated the case thoroughly at the time, and that's John
orch Till, and he gave a fantastic, very detailed rundown of how they
invested gated the case and what they discovered and what they couldn't cover. So
there is a video of that is about four hours long. You'd have to
break it up into lots of viewing sessions, but if you're interested in the
John Orchard Till part as to what happened there that's really worth looking at.
So um, Yes, so it's a case that's spoken about all over the
world. What happened to this pilot. I don't know how many other cases
there are of I think you're doing a shower on, aren't you of people
that have disappeared in airplanes? No, that was a blog. We have
a blog on our website now where Charles Lear, the blogger for this podcast,
has written one and and that case in particular is in that as well,
you know, as just a listening. But it's not the only thing
that has happened. There's a few others. There's the mantel Um case where
not not you know, it didn't disappear, but it was. It was
ash involved in that, And there's some others. I can't really stake them
off the top of my head, but yeah, it's all interesting. Now.
You had to give me some pictures because you went to the area where
supposedly it could have gone down. Is that what it is? Well,
we had at the event Steve Robi, the traffic control the one that the
last person that spoke to Fred Valentig, and he brought with him a couple
of mates who were also experienced pilots, and one of them I think ran
an airport, was managing an airport, and I don't know if it came
out in the video, but I do remember him speaking up and saying that
he's flown over the area countless times. There was a theory that he could
have gone, that Fred could have not gone down in the forest. So
I don't know, do you want to bring up the pictures now, that's
ature of the forest, part of the front. That's a canopy. This
amazing a good coastline, it's a it's a big tourist spot. That's a
winter shot of it. But Fred was flying in springtime. So I don't
know if we've got another picture which I've sent you which shows the area,
Okay, that shows that the area is thickly forested and koalas lived there.
So on one side you've got this rugged coastline and then inland this is amazing
forest and um so the weather was not like that. It was apparently quite
clear. Um it was when he was flying. It was still light,
it was fading light, but it wasn't actually night time. So about seven
pm our time in spring is still quite you know, it's just just the
light is fading um and he um. Yeah. So basically the search was
taken over the sea. So we've got bas like this is the bottom of
Australia where we've got a very tempestuous ocean leading to Tasmania. And so they
thought maybe he could have gone off course and vanished in the ocean, or
maybe he could have gone off course and vanished over into the forest. And
so this fellow who ran the airport at the experienced aviat I can't remember his
name, were saying that, you know, if he had perished in the
forest, they would have probably have found the remains of the craft, but
nothing has been found. Rhonda Rushton, I don't know if you can bring
up the picture of Rhonda at the lighthouse. Yes, Randa was his fiance.
She knew him very well and we did with her. She was very
close to him preceding his disappearance. He was planning like there was a theory
that he was suicidal. He was apparently not suicidal at all. He was
a happy guy and they were planning to get married and have children. So
and she was ac going to be on that flight with him. But through
a amazing set of circumstances. She missed out on getting onto the like because
he would take her on little joy rides around the area, and because in
the days of no mobile phones, she wasn't able to get in contact with
him and say that she was running late, and so he took off on
his scheduled flight without her, and so she it could have been two people
disappearing, not just one. But yeah, so tragically she um She was
saying at the time she did not want to believe that it was a ure
foe. He never even mentioned the word ure foe when he was talking about
it, said it's not a plane. Never mentioned louis important point because there's
a lot of media. It's interesting because if he died in a motorbike accident
or a car accident, would he have been there's a lot of ridicule and
running down of his character that he was in year to whatever. But if
he would if he had died in some other sort of tragic accident, would
he have been Would there have been all of this air of ridicule around it.
No, I don't think there would have been. That's quite interesting.
Um, well, hey, well we're just about ready to go into break
here and so and that we have we have just a minute and a half,
but I did want to just prime the people, so we'll maybe we'll
pick up a little bit more of Valentish. However you say it, I'm
terrible at remembering how to say things like that. But anyway, we're going
to be talking when we come back and break, We're gonna be talking about
this incident. And for those of you on YouTube, you can hear we're
listen and watch a clip that I'm gonna be playing during our break. But
this is a this is a very very interesting case of the Nulls family that
happened in nineteen eighty six. I want to say something like that UMAs to
yeah, they're thereabouts. But anyway, we are going to head right into
the break. So those of you on YouTube you can watch this clip,
and those of you on KGr A radio will be right back right after these
messages. Well to the NLS family in Adelaide, thanks for joining us.
And thirty six hours now after the event, do any of you have any
doubts as to what happened? Do you still believe that it was a UFO
that landed on your car? Yes, we do. Why do you believe
that we actually score it. You know. It was chasteners and it all
of a sudden land on our car. Put our car back, and I
put my hand at the window and I felt on the roof. What did
what did you feel? It was like a sponge on the roof, stuck
in the roof in a car. This a sponge? I saw it?
How big was what did it looks like? I don't really know. I
can't really explain. Did you see anything but a light? Um? Really
it was all explain it. It was sort of it was shaped like this
hanger and shaped like this, had like a little circle in the center and
that was like a yellow sort of color, and had on the outsides it
was sort of shaped like that, and on the outside it was like that,
and in the center it was like that. And I asked b Burrata,
you know if that was a spaceship and against don't be stupid. So
I got up place to have a lot and it was moving backwards and forwards,
and so we decide to take off to have a lot. Decide to
take off, and it was flying. Mile was back and and drave myles
up the grade again and it was in frontovers again, how high off the
ground was? It was on the ground, and it was on the grounds,
on the ground facing this when we drun them on. And then so
it was moving along with you. Yeah, it was parlaness and then eventually
you tried to get away from it. Is that right? They're still chasing
it? Sure you were driving? How fast did you get up to?
I got up to about two hundred kilometers? That's very fast. Have you
driven that fast before? I haven't And the car is capable of doing two
hundred kilometers and hours? And at what stage did the object land on your
roof? Oh? How fast were you're going at the time? I was
still on about two hundred. I got a blow out and once the car
stopped, I blinked up. I don't know what happened after that. It
was deftly on the roof. How do we know you're telling the truth?
I know it was even witnesses. But a lot of people think that you
are making it up. Do you realize that that's not true? No way.
When it landed on the car, what happened? What was screaming and
yelling? And as soon as I landed on the car, and that's when
my tire blew out, smoke started coming in. The cowboys mates started to
come in the car, and that's when I just blanked out. There was
one report that your voices change, Is that correct? Yes? They did
in what way? Really deep and slow, and I don't know, we
started sounding like that rule deep deeper in it. Even it was so deep
it's really had to explain or less like our voice quite as we're told.
If a car has a blow at a two hundred kilometers and now there is
a dangerson that it would ever turn, you didn't. It's white on the
roof. All right, welcome back to the show. My guest tonight is
Irene Priven and we were talking about this very unusual case. Irene, welcome
back, Thank you. Well what did you think of that? Do you
think they were lying? I thought they were very on edge. Um.
And for the person at KGRA radio where basically this uh you know family is
all thirty six hours after the incident, they're all almost being interrogated. They
all seem nervous. I don't I don't see any signs of um that they're
lying. It's a very unusual story though, especially this gas comes in the
window uh, and makes their voices change. Uh, And I didn't know.
I mean a car can go two hundred kilometers an hour, that's what
is that one hundred and sixty miles an hour or something for that's that's really
fast. Um. And it's bizarre, like if you blow a tire at
that speed, you'd think the car would be flipping over. But but I
don't. What are your thoughts on that whole And we're going to play another
clip here in a second too time. And there was a lot of ridicule.
It was so bizarre. It was so bizarre that nobody could believe it.
Yet they you can see that their assault of the Earth family, though
from Western Australia they had this is not a Victorian cases is another you know,
I think it was investigated by Paul Norman or anyway, Um, yeah,
Paul Norman thoroughly investigated this case. Yes he did. Um, and
yeah, they you can see that they're Um, they're not the sort of
people that would be into UFOs or imagine imagine this. That's my feeling at
the time. I just thought it passed it off along side everybody else's Oh
this is so nonsensical, we can't we can't cope with it. Put it
out of our mind. Correct me if I'm wrong. But these all seem
very shy too. They're shy. The car she was driving, it was
a brand new car, so clearly they were working hard to get that car.
Um So they were sort of like in the Western witnesses, ordinary working
people that don't bullshit and I don't see I mean, they had a lot
of ship or if I shouldn't say that word on the air, but they
had a lot of um, you know, disbelief, especially by the media
laid on them because nobody knew. I mean, I think if it happened
today, there would be more of an openness and people think, oh,
yeah, there is a possibility understanding a little bit more about you know,
the weird wonders of physics and time, and you know, there's more stuff
on the internet to read about, you know, other experiences that people have
had of time seeming as though it had slowed down. Now. I want
to sort of bring highlight another case which happened in nineteen sixty seven in Western
Australia, so not exactly the same area, but a similar area in the
middle of nowhere out in the outback, and this fellow was they called him
mister Harris. I'm not sure if it was his role. I'm wondering if
we could follow up though with the other clip on this before we get into
that case, because that case says that is one I do want to talk
about. So let's play the second clip that continues on with that same family
being interviewed. Here it goes, was the car on the road at all
times or was it lifted off as has been reported? We don't really know
it. We think it has been lifted off the road. How long did
it? How long was it with you this object? About five or ten
minutes, we think. Were there any sounds or smells y sound and it
sounded like a hum and sound. It sounded like boom boom boom. And
when it was on the roof, I'll wound them the window and all the
snakes started coming. Was like a grayish black mist. And that's when our
voices started to change. All of our voices just went really deep and strange,
and we found like we felt like we were dying. And the brake
brod checked the brakes on the car, and this thing just shot off,
and as it shot off, we just sit out in the bushes, got
the car, he oden the bushes, wait for about ten to fifteen minutes.
We went out back to the car, took this, took the wheel
off, chuck back and the book, got the spear wheel out, put
that on and we just loot down Jack. We didn't ray a bit Jack.
Were just checked the jack in the bushes and we just shot off.
And then it started to follow us again, and it started to come day.
It was starting to get daylight, and it just seemed to lose us
for some reason. We turned the headlights off and that's when it lost us.
Patrick, had any of you been drinking? No, no way?
Were you tired? I was a bit tired, yeah, but not tired
enough to see the thing like that? And how scared were your Patrick?
Really scared scared us? I've ever been well, what was your feelings?
What were you feeling at the time when this was all down the door?
That's what I felt like. We just made us feel what we're doing.
Have you had any unusual feelings since had happened? Sick? I won't,
I won't turn the lights off and night a't you scared to go to sleep?
Any other feelings. What about you, Wayne, how do you feel
about it? All? Pretty scary? What was the worst part of it
for you? He wouldn't Would you be happy to go back there and have
a look round to see what had happened? Not real? I want to
go back. So just just summing up, do any of you have any
idea? Wayne Short and you think it was a spaceship? What about yourself?
Missus nul do you have any idea? I reckon it was a beer
if I or something, you know, because it was strange. It was
fallen ass everywhere. Wouldn't nerve us alone. I was a nervous wreck.
I got up to gradge Well, thank you very much for telling us your
story, and take it leasy on the roads. Thank you, thank you.
Now where was this? It was it? It was in a desolate
area right there? Was it was? It was it the outback. Actually
it was a stretch of road called the Nulliball Plane because called the Nulliball because
there has absolutely no tree, so it's pretty much a desert area. And
it takes four days, I think four days to drive from Adelaide to Perth,
So that gives you an idea. It's a very long stretch of road,
So where does someone get fuel patrol? I think there's a couple of
fuel stops. It's pretty much virtually nothing like tiny towns or a few.
I haven't actually been across there myself, but I know people who have,
and so yeah, there are no virtually no townships or very few townships along
the way, so very desolate. There was another witness, at least a
truck driver. They said that there was a lady truck driver who who saw
what happened. As well. There was another news report which I've sent to
you we may not have time to look at, where a journalist delved into
it and said that at around the same time, there were some fishermen at
sea fishing ships that were being harassed by UFO. So yeah, there was
certainly something going on repeatedly at that time. And if I just go back
to that other case which I've discovered recently, in nineteen sixty seven, a
similar thing happened in a similar place to a guy. He didn't have any
witnesses, but they did put him through a psychiatric examination as well. He
was driving at sixty miles an hour. This is before our metric conversion,
so we were using miles per hour, and he had a light immersed him.
He was immersed in a beam of light which had emanated from a UFO
that had turned up, and he had this sensation that the car had stopped,
so it instantaneously stopped going from sixty miles an hour to stop him.
And they had a physicist, this is the Vouf's people had the examined case,
had a physicist comment on this um. They the physicists really had a
problem that the card was able to stop completely at with no feeling of deceleration
and then start up again. And the driver, the witness reported that the
radio and the engine and everything had stopped during the time that the beam was
on him. And the physicist was saying, if there's no feeling of celeration
and the car had stopped, it would have played havoc with his body.
He could not have stopped, It would have been impossible, so no change
of speed and he would have just and it would have affected the car as
well. So yeah, it was a similar thing where an object appeared,
you know, like a bright light appeared, hovered over the car, shot
its beam down, created these strange effects. And the witness survived to tell
the story and um, yeah, those people, but briefly that's it.
Yeah, if I was doing that interview, not that any better than the
interviewer or at all, But I mean I would ask, Okay, so
he blacked out, Um, I can't remember his name, the one that
was driving. He said that he just blacked out and he doesn't remember what
happened. Well, what about everyone else? Did they black out too?
I mean they didn't. There was no discussion about that, but it makes
it sounds like a failed abduction attempt or something like that, you know,
possibly, but it just seems like there's still a lot more question to ask
that that family. Did they ever talk about it after that? That was
only thirty six hours after the incident. They were growled by the media.
It was a media sensation and then I was so badly treated about that that
they refused to talk about it to anyone ever again, which is really tried,
because I think they could have a lot to offer if people ask the
right questions. And I think I'll try and dig up a little more about
that what was encountered at the time by the Uphoe researchers. But certainly there
was an interview that I don't know, we probably won't be able to show
that one where There's a well known journalist called Darren Hinch. He's very well
known here in Australia and he even made it to parliament. He was until
recently serving as an independent member I think in Parliament, and he was he
made himself known for supporting people who had been cases of victims of sexual abuse,
and he got into a lot of trouble because he would name the perpetrators
on the air and caught us a lot of controversy because yeah, he wasn't
supposed to do that, but yeah, he would be supporting of survivors of
abuse. Yeah, he himself, when he was interviewing these people at the
time, made a disparaging comment about little green men and just he just made
it plain that it was an unbelievable story. And I thought, on one
hand, these people have been traumatized by something very weird and he does not
support them yet. Yeah, just I just found that confusing that he would
you believe in one case but not believe another. Yeah, that's not too
kind, Yeah, yeah that is. That's that's a very interesting case.
I don't think I ever heard of that one. Now I think the woman
said that she reached up on top of the car and it felt like a
sponge, like a sponge sucking or something like that. Did anyone ever look
at the surface of the top of their car. Yeah, they found that
there was a whole lot of dust, like black dust, and it was
taken for analysis and we don't know what the finding of. I think that
they were not able to conclude what it came from. But once again,
that's something that needs a little little more scrutiny. Is Yeah, a lot
of mysteries about the case and the physical evidence. Now, when we go
back and we have a question came up just a second, I'll ask that
going back to the Westall case and the teacher that was harassed, he mentioned
that there was a military one military person in an uniform. So does the
military, as far as you know in Australia get involved in these cases and
looking into them or were they also the people that were telling them at Westall
not to talk about this. Yeah, the witnesses report that people in uniform
turned up. When I asked them, can they remember any kind of insignia
on the uniform? Nobody could remember seeing Anya. I think it could be
a couple of things. They were children and they didn't think to take notice,
and there was a lot going on. Or maybe they were just wearing
uniforms which were not marked, which was a bit strange. And even the
adult, as far as we know, Andrew Greenwood, did not I don't
know how we couldn't have noticed if it said army or air force or navy.
I think he probably that would have been something that stuck in his mind,
but that didn't come out. He may have been asked. I'm not
sure. I would be surprised if he wasn't asked if he remembered what sort
of I believe that they were unmarked but military looking. Oh. Actually,
Kevin, the witness who who saw the circle left the trace left in the
ground, I think he also couldn't. He was a UNI student. He
couldn't remember any kind of markings or insignia. And also you'll see the documentary
that they they turned up really quickly, is as though they knew that it
was I mean, if you look at the distances that the military base people
would have had to travel, um they were onto it, they were aware
that it was happening. Because the speed at which they showed up after the
source of was present. Yeah, that that is not an uncommon theme.
You hear, you hear about that, um that they somehow seemed to show
up. You know, you talk about like Cacksburg. There's a bunch of
incidents where the military all of a sudden, they're just instantly there. And
this question is from Mario. He wants to know, UM, do you
know anything about the Middle Mount Queensland UFO case of July nineteen, twenty eighteen.
No, sorry, you've never heard of that. Queensland's on the other
side of It's like where are you You're around New York. It's like,
I don't know. It's on the other side. It's on the other side
of the country. We don't really cover the cases. It's a big distance
away. So if you like you covering a case on the other side of
the United States, it's the difficult act. But we might hear about stuff.
But I personally, I'm sorry, I don't know about that case.
Sure there is there, you know how you have the Victoria UFO action.
Is there a group over in Queensland as well? Yes, there is,
UM, Yeah, we UM have some interaction with them, but because of
the distance we can't sort of travel to. Um. I think some of
the people in our group do have more interaction or have been to their conferences,
but UM, I don't. I don't know much about what's happening there.
I'm sorry. Yeah, David makes a good point here, David from
the UK the military, we're probably within twenty minutes, so they were probably
tracking it. And that's that's really interesting. Check. Yeah, that could
be it. They may have been tracking it to the school that happened.
It might have been. And then there's a mystery of the airplanes. I
think if anyone who's interested in the west All case will know that the airplanes.
Um, the the log books were checked at Marabin Airport. I think
Shane went and looked at trying to get who might have been flying those planes,
but there was no There were no entries, which is quite bizarre.
There were five planes seen flying around by many people, but there were no
records of who was flying those planes. Isn't that something so they don't know
if they were military planes or not. Basically, yeah, what a mystery.
And yeah, I know we already talked about that. It's just it's
just one of those but it's probably your rise. Well right, well,
yeah, definitely, definitely Roswell and a case that But would you say that
you think that's a consistent case Rosewell's not so consistent, but that case in
particular seems fairly consistent with the witnesses. Yeah. I think what Shane has
done is a pretty thorough job. He has a Facebook site which he keeps
it's a closed group where he keeps everybody informed when he finds out something,
so he's constantly, well not constantly, but every now and then something will
pop up where he's someone has approached him or he's found another person who has
information relating to the case. So I think it was talking about in your
interview about the person who was a descendant of a personnel from the Department of
Supply who had up to journal and the journal was mysteriously gone missing. The
family don't know where it is. I don't know what's happening. That that
was sort of like a leak that seem to go somewhere for a little while,
which would be interesting to see if he's got any more information on it.
I'm really waiting for Shane's book. He promises that he will be releasing
writing and releasing a book, and that would be fantastic if he could do
that quite soon. Yeah, I know we're bouncing around a little bit,
but I do want to go back to the Nulls case where we were talking
about, because I'm kind of like churning things over in my mind after we
watched that clip, and it's really bizarre. I can't think of any other
incident anywhere where anyone has ever talked about like a mist being sprayed into their
car and then it changed their voice level. I mean, if you were
going to make up a UFO story, would you put that in it?
I don't think so. It's such a bizarre, bizarre If you read Valets
cases, it's impossible to read through all them, but I had a crack,
but there are some similar things, and I think I want to go
and dig out something about miss occurring. I don't know whether the mist has
something to do with their voices changing, but I suspect if from other cases,
this is not unfamiliar. Actually, after reading his collection of accounts,
where it seems as though time has slowed down and their voices is as time
is going very very slowly, and perhaps the voices you know, when you
slow down a recording. That's I didn't think of it in that manner,
right, I was thinking that their voice has just changed. But you think
so, do you think that's all part of the time slowing. Possibly.
I don't know. I'm not a physicist. I'm just a humble butt and
I know nothing. But well, it's definitely it's definitely curiosity as as what
that was about. But I mean, I'm wondering, you know, you
say the family isn't really active and talking about it, but I'm wondering if
there was any side effects later, you know, like a year later,
two years later, Did anyone have any health issues related to that? It
would be very interesting to know that. But I completely understand how after they
were treated and the environment at the time that they wouldn't want to talk about
it, and they were they looking at it now, it's quite clear that
they were very traumatized by I don't know whether they received any counseling or they
offered any counseling. It doesn't what they were well, they certainly didn't do
it for sensationalism, and they were making money because if they especially if they
don't want to talk about it anymore, they wouldn't have to send out.
It wasn't a motive to share it. It was really brave of them to
share, knowing the ridicule factor that was around, especially in Australia at the
time. But I think that they would concern that would happen to someone else,
and that's why they spoke about it, and they you know, it
was like a cry for help, what's going on? Please tell us what
has happened to us? You know, we don't want someone else going through
the same thing, right this Knights do put up this up that Betty and
Barney Hill had a pink powdered sprayed on their clothsing car. I wasn't aware
of that. Maybe I just I don't remember ever talking about that, But
it's very very possible. I do remember something about the dress, but I
just don't remember anything about a pink powder. But next time I speak with
Kathy Marden on that case, I'll try to remember to bring that topic up.
Someone said it was disinfectant spray. Yeah, because we're alien to them.
Well. Grant Cameron writes about all of the bizarre things that he's a
great analyst, that he collects the stories and looks at them thoughtfully and his
conclusion is maybe a lot of this, and I think Valet talks about this
as well, A lot of this has no purpose except for getting our attention.
Maybe the spray or the powder had no purpose, but it was just
something left there. But whatever intelligence this is to connect with us in a
bizarre way, or to make us think, or to make us look into
something, it's part of the theater. Yeah, well, I had speaking
of that along that line. I was helping out last night with the SCU,
which is the scientific Coalition for UAP studies. A lot of scientists are
involved in that, and there was a gentleman on there, Peter, speaking
about the Drake equation and has thoughts on that, And so I got into
a bit of a discussion with someone in the chat room about because a gentleman
posted in there that UFOs with weights aren't really UFOs because why would they have
lights. So we get back and forth and went back and forth with the
discussion, Well, how do you you know what is your evidence for this
that it's not He said extraterrestrial, and I said, I'm not saying it's
extraterrestrial. We don't know what it is. But your what is your evidence,
and we went He said it makes no sense unless of propulsion, which
I agree it makes no sense. But then again here you are talking about
um. Maybe so we'll pay attention. Maybe that's it. I don't know
what the reason. They really don't need lights, but a lot of them
have lights. Well, this is what I've just Readen Grants excellent book,
Contact Modelities, and he says the same thing. They don't need lights that
can be invisible when they want to be. And it's so they switched their
lights on so that we can see them. It seems maybe yeah, yeah,
I mean right, they don't have to they don't have to show themselves,
but obvious they're not afraid of showing themselves. I mean, my one
UFO sighting, whatever it was wasn't hiding, you know, It's not like
it was huge and over me. But I mean it was very visible and
so I don't know, no lights on it though, but the whole thing
had a what I saw, I had a blue glow around the whole thing.
And I have only heard a couple of people say something similar. So,
anyway, any other interesting cases. We are going to be taking calls
here in a minute, but any other interesting cases that you've looked into.
Oh, well, there's a few recent ones. We sort of still mulling
over them. One case where a husband and wife captured on video very bright
light over their property and a very strange humming sound and something unusual on the
video. But we couldn't really work out what it was. But yeah,
but they lived in it in a bush land property, a little bit remote.
And this is you know, going back a year or a couple of
years ago maybe, And when we examined what they showed us, it wasn't
the light was coming from above and sweeping over the area, and it didn't
look like it was a truck or a car. So yeah, once again
the lights and they felt this, they felt and heard this humming sound and
they felt disturbed and frightened by it. Another one just days ago or later.
Just before you move on from that one, though, let me just
ask you this one. Did do you think that they felt I mean heard
people say they felt the noise more than they heard it. Is that a
description that they would see? Yeah, I think that's how it was.
They heard it as well. It was a vibrating humming, a very strange
it was unnerving to them, that's why they contacted us. And another guy
went outside to take his dog to the bathroom to do these bathroom duties outside
and witnessed a silver not a silver like a I think he said it was
a cigar shape thing with lights drifting across the sky. He called his wife
and she came out and saw the same thing. We have another fellow who
we talked to whose wife saw I think it was a triangle fly quite close
over the roof of their house, and she called him and he came running
out and he witnessed it going off. And he'd had an experience earlier in
life with seeing a landed craft and some beans in another country where he was
from. So it's ugoing. It amazes me that it's not just in the
United States, it's worldwide. Here on the other side of the earth.
There's a surprising number of cases, even though our population is quite low,
and not just looking at cases of people seeing things individually. Where two people.
I mean, in the case of this fellow where he saw the landed
craft and the beans, he was with a family member, So yeah,
there were two people that saw the same thing. Interesting, are you familiar?
I'm putting this up from Briant of the Bendigo you are away in the
nineteen eighties. I must admit I haven't looked at it, but I know
that there have been waves. I'm reading now because as I said, I'm
a new kid on the block and I'm still coming across. But yeah,
yeah, it seems like Bendigo that region could be a little bit of a
hot spot. As in I'm reading it about the east of our state.
Bensdale is another kind of not very highly populated sort of dairy country and forest,
and that's certainly a hot spot. And our president of our group,
Ben Hurl, is from that area, so he's pretty much interested in the
cold cases of the past, and he talks. He actually does go to
Queensland and give talks to the peep up in Queensland and and he's very much
into the cases. Are you talking about her? Yeah, yeah, he's
somebody talked to about the Bent Bent headlights case. Um, yeah, let's
talk about that too. That's always fascinating. But before we do, I
just wanted to let people know, especially over at KGr A Radio, that
we are taking cars now and that number is eight five five four seven two
five four eighty three. That's eight five five four seven two four eight three.
Bill is standing by. He'll screen your call and I'll bring you into
the show, so I'll feel free to call in. Yeah, let's hear
about the band Headlights case. I know I talked about that. I think
I talked about that with Paul Dean. Yeah, look, you're probably better
off sticking to pool and being And that's not the one that I'm really across
the details off. But yeah, that's very unusual case. Yeah, and
where the lights turned another thing that didn't absolutely made no sense at all.
Well, we had a fellow come out. He was actually a very well
known radio broadcast, a bit of a personality. He's written a song for
the football that gets played at the Grand Final every year. And Mike Brady
his name is, and he was a young man in a band and he
was traveling around the countryside and they said around that time and around that place
they had a weird encounter where they had a strange noise heard and felt this
strange noise and the cast they were in a van, I think, and
the van came to a stop and there was nothing wrong with the van.
It was a brand new van. That had no mechanical issues whatsoever, and
they came into this area around where the bent headlights thing happened, and it
came to a stop for no reason, and then I think later on it
mysteriously started up again. I think I've got that right. But that's the
guts of the story. So yeah, for this guy to come out and
say, yeah, well I've had a weird thing happened around the time and
in the place as well, so it must be. Yeah, so we're
talking a couple of things happened that you're aware of where the Westall case happened.
So that so there are, like we have here in the United States
seemingly are some hot spots. What else would you call them? Right?
I mean there's more than one sighting on different days, and yeah, yeah,
on the last one, someone wanted to know if there was any missing
time? Did they mention that? Well, I don't, Yeah, I
can't answer that question. The case of the case of that was similar.
In nineteen sixty seven, the mister Harris for remarked that he had a bit
of missing time. His watch stopped and it was running five minutes slow.
And the watch was an Amiga chronometer and it normally doesn't lose any time at
all, he said, So he had a in the duration I think it
was a five minute five minutes that he was in the beam and the car
stopped, appeared to stop, so he lost that time that five minutes and
it didn't affected his watch. So, you know, in relation to the
Norse case and a similar case, I think it looks like missing time,
isn't it. Yeah? Wow, yeah, the missing time thing. It's
funny people allude to it so often that they have that they have that,
you know, I mean they I can't even remember the first time I heard
about it, but it seems to me. You know, one of the
fascinating ones for me in that particular case is we have this case up here
in Maine. Happened in Maine way back and I think the late nineteen seventies
called the Alagash incident. And have you heard of that. I've heard of
it, but remind me details. Well, they're out there, there's four
guys. They're out in the canoe their way in a very remote area of
Maine, extremely remote, and they saw earlier that day, they saw a
light, they saw something with someone else with them. Then they're out in
their canoe to go night fishing. They built a great big fire so they'd
know how to come back to shore. So they're out in the canoe,
the four of them, and this thing comes right over them and chuck,
one of them did something kind of silly. He flashed a light at it.
A flashlight started blinking the light at it, and so then all of
a sudden, they all these things happened. They don't really remember, but
what they do remember is when they were going back to shore, the fire
was burnt down all the way down and it would have taken hours for that
to happen, you know, And they didn't even think of it. It
was like they, oh, that's weird, that type of thing. And
then ten years later they started having the dreams. They all had the same
dreams and basically had suppressed it for about ten years before it came out.
Let's see, you know, I'm going to bring Bill, and Bill has
a couple of questions for you, So I'm going to bring him in.
I've never done this before, but Bill, you're a great guy and you
always have some great thoughts. I saw you putting something in the private chat
here, so you had a question, Yeah, I don't know how my
vironuments because you just gotta be young, but you sound good. Kay.
There's a lot of folks that believe that the consensus is that people have traumatic
experiences when they're engaging with extraterrestrials, allegedly in Australia. With your contact with
people that have had experiences, what is the folks over there going through?
Do they think that the majority of malevolent in nature benevolent? Is there a
balance? Look? Mary Rodwell collects more data from people who have had experiences
with beings. I think if there's an experience with just a craft, it's
and you're not looking for it's like what the hell is this and why is
it here? And that in itself is traumatic because it's um, it's we're
not primed to expect a UFO visit because of the taboo around the topic,
so it comes I think even though the experience itself might be benign, it
might come across as being threatening in that there is the unknown and the unexpectedness
of it. Yeah. I mean, we've had people that have had reported
very clear waking dreamlike states where they've felt either yeah, it's it's the same
as in the from what I'm reading. It's the same as anywhere else in
the world. It's a mix. It's a mix. Or it might start
off as feeling threatening and then progress if it continues to progress to being non
threatening, you know, in the way that Whitley talks about it, I
think he he I haven't read his books. I've been a bit too frightened
to read his books. But from what I understand of what I've listened to
what he has had to say that he had started off with it being threatening
and then coming to terms with it and feeling differently about it later on.
So yeah, I think it's consistent with what happens elsewhere in the world.
To answer you a question, I want to show everyone. This is Bill.
Everyone on YouTube Bill Bill's oh yeah, he's pointing to my painting.
Then he has there, So yeah, Bill is the one who screens for
those who you call in. Um, he's over at KGr A radio and
he's the one that takes the calls. So we do have we do have
that available. Again, that phone number is nine. I'm sorry eight five
five four seven two five four eight three, and feel free to call in
Bill. You have anything else, Yeah, just a couple of more things.
Um as far as Australian society in general, do you think they're more
open minded? Because over here it's all I would say, Whyte, And
maybe you can clarify this a little bit. What would you say the consensus
here in the States about fifty percent maybe even higher of people having an open
mind when it comes to the possibility of extra terrestrial life, I would say
that would be high. But about actual visitations that were being visited by actual
terrestrials or maybe interdimensional or some other parallel universe, whatever that is. What
do you think it is over there, Iran? Is it more open minded
over there or accepting of the possibilities there? I think people who are in
the community vary in their degrees of like like in the United States, it's
a diverse community, ranging from the nuts and bolts, people who are just
interested in the craft and not particularly interested in who's piloting them. And then
there's the on the other gamut of people who've had who report having abduction experiences
or contact experiences. So amongst the community, it's pretty much the cross section
is similar to what's in the United States. But as far as the general
society, people outside of the community. No, it's amongst the younger generation
because of the documentaries and TV shows and science fiction that has primed the younger
generation. I'm talking about people under fifty. There's much more openness than people
are happy and willing to talk about and explore ideas as to what it could
be or what's out there, it's a big universe, etc. But certainly
people who are above fifty sixty of that generation that were successfully conditioned by all
there's don't be silly. There's no such things as lying sawses. There's absolutely
if you talk about it, you find that you'll hit a brick wall and
that yeah, there's no such thing. That they believe there's no such thing,
but that there is too. I mean, I think Australian society is
starting to open up, especially since the New York Times and the tic TAC
thing. But quite often nine times out of ten you'll talk to people and
they have not even heard of that case, and there's sort of like not
really an interest. Um, what's going on with the Kardashians is much more
important. Well, I've got to go take some callers. We've got callers
on the line. But maybe you guys can also touch on Paine Gap and
the mysterious there's mysteriousness behind that. So all right, all right, thanks
thanks Bill. So, yeah, we have a screening a call right now.
Well we'll take that call and as soon as he's done with that.
Yeah, So yeah, Paine Gap. Um, that's a series I've washed
a little bit of. Is there really something going on with with that?
I mean, Pine Gap, Well, it's a listening station. It's um.
I think it's well known here that it's a base in conjunction with the
United States. Is actually a really nice TV show called Pine Gap. Yeah,
that's what I'm talking about. I've watched that. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So it's um, it's a spy station and it's sort of looking
at UM and I think there's a lot as you realize with the military,
that there's stuff that they definitely are doing that they'd be happy to have people
look at something and say that's a UFO and yeah, okay, it's a
UFOE. Just don't keep looking at that and don't look at what we're doing.
So Pine Gap, I believe falls into that category. The I don't
know that it's I really can't say whether it's an underground base and there's upo's
flying in and out of it. We did talk to somebody who was a
child that lived in that area because his parents were working in that town,
and of course they come across the military that that work there. Apparently Pine
Gap is a place that you get sent to if you haven't done the right
thing in the United States as a military person. It's sort of like a
banishment to the other side of the Earth. That's a punishment posted to Pine
Gap. And he was a child and reported that overhearing adult conversation that something
interesting and unusual was trapped, an aerial phenomenon was trapped at Pine Gap.
But how often that happens and comes across their screens or whether they're particularly looking
for it, who knows. Yeah, we have a part. I'm sorry.
Duncan from Palm Beach, Florida. Hi, Hi Duncan, Welcome to
the show. Hello Mars and him. Very quick question. I was curious,
what, if anything, do the aborigin Is in Australia say about this
topic. Does it play any part in their traditions? Interesting question, Look,
I would like to find out a lot more about that. Of course,
people guests have come across the Wandina paintings, where I think Von Dannikin
pointed out a connection that people sort of enjoyed his connection with the way ets
apparently lookin and the paintings with the big eyes of the on the cave paintings.
I don't know much about that, and where the people who around the
communities that make have made these artworks live is very remote. The average Australian
living in the cities doesn't really have the opportunity to have contact with um,
the people in these regions, and I would really love to go and pursue
that some more. But certainly there are long told stories of the spirits that
they have contact with. It are weaved into their culture and it's you know,
to talk about their culture. Like the Aboriginal people had many different nations
before they were colonized, and each had their own particular stories and languages.
So it was like talking about the Europeans, what do the Europeans say?
Well, it depends on what region, what country, what nation, what
language. So it is a very complex um thing that has been under researched.
In my opinion. I did talk to a fellow who phoned in when
James Fox was offering. He came over when he was doing the Westall thing
and went on national television offering award and a reward to anybody who had some
information about physical evidence of a UFO. And a gentleman from a I can't
remember where it was, it was somewhere in New South Wales said that he
had an experience as a school child and a whole lot of school children saw
the appearance of a UFO. These are indigenous school children and when he was
a child and they were on a mission, that's right, And I think
that the priest that was running the mission saw it was sounded similar to the
Father Gill encounter. But the kids were very frightened by the appearance of this
object. And yeah, this is a story, like I don't know he
was using someone else's phine. I don't know how to get to him again.
And I'd like to be able to travel and meet him and talk to
him about his story. But you know, you sometimes lose contact with people
and stories get lost, which is a shame. But yeah, it really
requires Australia. But because of the physical distance and the remoteness and the low
population to be able to you sort of need somebody to have a full time
job traveling and talking to people, and they even just to get their trust
to get them to talk about it because the people here, the indigenous people
here, have been so badly treated through colonization that they're not willing to you
know, share things, which yeah, I completely understand the traumatization that they've
been through, like the Noel's family. You know, I don't want to
talk about things again because they've had it a bad time of it, you
know. Yeah, anything else done? Question that doesn't really doesn't. No,
No, that was actually I actually did learn something from that from your
answer. M thank you. I thought it was a great question. Um,
so thanks a lot, Duncan, thanks for the call. Bye bye.
All right, all right, so the line is open. That's eight
five five four seven two five four eighty three. UM. Now, as
far as the Aboriginees, since you brought that up, that is Ah,
they go way way back in Australia. I mean tens of thousands of years,
don't they am in their civilization here some sixty to eighty thousand years I
understand. And so there there, Uh you mentioned that there are drawing,
so they're like, uh, like on stones and things like that. Are
there rocks and things, rock paintings, rock paintings, So um maybe this
is a topic for another another show, but um yeah, there have been
um a particularly in Western Australia, being with very large eyes sort of white
white beans with large eyes that are very reminiscent of what people report having seen
the will say the ruer children being with very large, hypnotic black eyes,
and so they talk about these as being the spirit the guardian spirits of that
area, and the spirits that you have to ask permission to enter an area,
and the spirits that they interact with. So um yeah, it's another
it's another dimension. It's quite different to our materialistic culture that we're it's a
very spiritual culture and very very in touch with the workings of the earth and
nature, and we quite removed from that. Our lives couldn't be more different.
In the cities. I've heard a story about how the very old men
when they come into the city, they're very old indigenous elders, they move
very slowly, and but and when you get when you get them out into
the bush, they move like lightning because they that's their um, that's their
natural environment, and they know how to get around and they feel at home
there, whereas if they're in the city, it's overwhelming and it's not their
natural environment. They're quite different responses to their environment where where they are.
So, yeah, they're really fascinating, fascinating that field to that needs to
be researched more in many aspects, not just in the UFO aspect, right
right, Um, Yeah, I mean that's similar to the Native Americans here
that were here. There's the oral traditions from you know, way back,
and there are some you know there are I've seen them in person actually in
California there were some right paintings, nothing that looked like aliens, but still
really fascinating to see. And I love when you come across things like that.
So we have about seven minutes left to the show and we will take
one more call if you like to call in. That's a five five four
seven two five four eight three. You're the Victorian UFO action. Let's talk
just a little bit about that. Is that set up where someone can find
that easily online? And of course I put up the wrong website rant it
and and how do they is that a place where people can report they certainly
can. It's vufower dot net. That's our current website. Are the old
one has been left up because there's a lot of historical information and videos on
it. We will probably eventually bring that one down, but people might still
want to look at some things that are on there. Andrew and Ben did
some quite informative videos and interviews with people, so yeah, we are pretty
much focused on being a point of contacts for if somebody wants to express or
relate an experience that they've had and they don't know where else to report it.
And also we try to bring people over from researchers from American particular,
but wherever whoever wants to make the trick over so that they can I want
to go. I want to go. But anybody who wants to share their
information, I'm sure people will be wanting to listen. So yeah, we
sort of stuck down on the other side of the Earth, and we're pretty
isolated geographically from the rest of the world, so we are very curious about
and try and connect as much as we can to find out what's going on
in this realm. So yeah, we brought over Don Schmidt, so he
spoke Yeah, of course James Fox. He gave a great talk to us.
There's constant interest in the West all case. We're all volunteers, so
you know, it's hard going to make an event more than once a year.
But we did have an online link up. We had coronavirus lockdown and
we had a great response to a little meet up to talk about local cases
and when you when you locked down there. Unfortunately, you know, it's
it's really rough here in the United States right now, and I am a
place where people like to go where they can forget about that for a little
while. I don't want to focus on that. But Australia has done a
wonderful job. Well thank you COVID. Yeah, I mean it's it's Nate
and Day and we're not allowed there. You probably wrapped me in plastic and
put me in a room for fourteen days or something. Fourteen days. You
won't be allowed for a long time, I think because of what's going on.
So we just got a couple of minutes, actually three minutes or less.
But I forgot to ask you did you enjoy the United States? Because
you took quite a track when you were here. You went to like you
said, we went to Sakara. We spent four hours on the Roswell field.
I think the guys got directions from Chap what's his name, the guy
from Ancient Aliens. Um, he got one sort of directions from Chuck and
another set from Dawn and we got confused and we missed a gate. Are
you talking about David Childress? No, Um, ch what was his first
name, Chuck, Chuck Chikaki or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So he was a great guy. We met him and he um.
He gave us directions as the best way to get there because it's quite
in the middle of nowhere and quite remote, not easy to get to.
So we spent a long time on the Roswell field. So we're very familiar
with very familiar with Roswell where it happened. We visited Marc Brazil's grave as
well. That was quite interesting to see where he was laid to rest.
Went to Sikoro and looked at where Lonnie Zamora saw his beings. Um went
in Rothern, California, too. Oh. I went to visit James Fox
and Matt Walter Merch Junior, who did the sound on the Phenomenon. We
stayed in his mum place and we had dinner with James and Rebecca and met
Ollie again and yeah, we had a We had a great time. We
got to see where the Phenomenon was being edited. We got to visit the
edit students shack. Yeah, the shack. They were out of time.
Irene, thank you so much, my pleasure. Thank you for having me
on. Yes, it was a lot of fun and we'll talk to you
soon. Okay, thanks, all right, bye bye, all right everyone,
So that's it for our show this evening. Next week, as I
mentioned, we have Whitley streemeron, so that should be an interesting show.
And I want to thank you all very much for joining us tonight, and
remember to keep your eyes to the sky.