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Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving
Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otisy. Hey guys, and welcome
back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for being with us for the
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As I said, we've got a great show lined up for you.
Wayne and I got to sit down over on that Bigfoot podcast last week and
we did an interview about my time up in Radium, BC on the expedition
with Todd Standing. Some of you guys have not listened to that. I've
looked at the number, so there's a ton of you who haven't heard that
interview. So I felt compelled to put it out over here. We told
you guys when we started that Bigfoot podcast, we weren't going to cross promote
that, but I think this is a special exception. So here is going
to be the interview that Wayne and I did over on that Bigfoot podcast last
week, and we get into all the nuances and all the things that I
experienced while I was there in Radium with Todd standing and with Kyle and Ashley
and Richard. So I hope you guys really enjoy this. It's sort of
a breakdown of what I felt, what I experienced, and what I thought
about the trip overall. For those of you who have listened to this on
that Bigfoot podcast, some of you guys have come out with some strong opinions
on Todd and my time there, and I'll just say this, when you
go into the interview, I am going to be honest about my experiences there.
I know a lot of you feel a certain way about Todd. I
still have questions about certain things that have to do with Todd, but I'm
just gonna be honest about the research. I'm gonna be honest about my experiences
that I had there, and we can have a real honest discussion about that
anytime you want. You can always send me an email Brian at Panormaworldproductions dot
com. For those of you who have you know that I respond to that
directly and we can have those conversations offline if we need to. But for
those of you who haven't heard this, I'm gonna stop talking. I'm gonna
let the music play. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. Wane, what's up man? That's going man? You are
a fresh off of a Canadian road trip, eager to talk about that.
What's up with you? Brian, same stuff, different day, Man,
I'm hanging in like a're hearing a biscuit. I'm actually fresh off of a
South Carolina road trip that came right on the back of the Canadian road trip.
So I feel like I haven't even been home yet. I haven't had
time to even sit down and go through all the audio and the video and
all the stuff that I collected during the Radium expedition. But we had an
amazing time in South Carolina. You have got to come with us and do
that trip next year. Man. The South Carolina Bigfoot Festival up in Westminster
is an amazing Bigfoot Festival. We had a blast, man. There were
thousands of people came through. We sold a whole shit ton of merchandise and
talked to a lot of listeners of the show. People were asking about you.
They were talking about that Bigfoot podcast and how they enjoy this show.
So you definitely got to make the trip down. It's worth it, man.
So if you can put that on your calendar next year, Danny and
I'll send it to you so you can make the trip because it's definitely worth
the time. Yeah, man, that sounds awesome. I've never even heard
of it, so you'd love to make the trip. Yeah. Laws just
bought a house right there in Seneca, South Carolina, which is about nine
minutes away from Westminster. We've been looking at it for a couple of years
and thinking about just going and trying it out. But we were like,
hey, let's make the first time. We'll go as a vendor, and
we did, and Jessica and those people put on an amazing festival. There
was a couple of great speakers that they had. I didn't get to see
any of the speakers because we were really busy with our merchandise and Danny and
I were manning the booth all weekend, but it's Friday and Saturday. It
was a really great time, and I got to spend some quality time with
the in laws because we stayed with them about nine minutes away. So good
times, man. But I know people aren't tuning in to hear about my
South Carolina trip. They want to hear about the Radium trip, and I've
been saying it on Sasquatch Odyssey. I'm trying my best to get through the
audio. But I literally came back from that trip. I flew in from
Calgary into North Carolina on Monday, and we had to get ready for that
trip and pack up and leave on Thursdays. As we're recording this now,
if you're listening to this, you can go over to Sasquatch Odyssey because it
dropped today. I did a whole hour of our fireside chat. It's audio
from around the campfire. It's me Todd standing his girlfriend and research partner Ashley,
Kyle DeShane from the Discovering Bigfoot podcast, and Kyle's dad, Richard,
all sitting around the fire just shooting the breeze basically, and we get into
all kinds of things. I sent you the audio, so you could hear
it a couple of days ago. But we talk about Todd's videos, we
talk about his research, We get into all kinds of stuff, and we
even towards the end of that video, we capture a sound that I heard
in the woods that I can only describe as like samurai chatter. Something was
talking in the woods, and you can hear it in the audio. I
say, hey, Ash, did you hear that? Because I saw her
kind of look up, and Kyle heard something too. We called it on
audio. It's right at the very end of that audio that you can listen
to. But Todd's talking about something. I think he's talking about Bear Grillus
and his experience on that show or whatever. You hear something in the background
going lit and it literally sounded like samurai chatter, something talking in real time.
I was telling you earlier, before we came on, I did set
up another recorder that was about forty feet away from us. It was away
from the dialogue we were having. So I'm hoping that it was caught on
there and maybe I can isolate it off of that audio, But it's buried
in about twelve hours of audio from that night, So I've got to go
through all of that. Everybody be patient. Danny's actually working on trying to
put together some kind of a schedule to put out on social media that'll give
you an idea of what kind of shows we're going to do about this over
the next couple of months when you can tune in, We're going to do
some lives. I'm going to get Kyle on. I'm going to get his
dad on because his dad said he had a sighting while we were there.
You and I can probably talk about that today. And I've got a little
audio from one of the videos that I took of sort of a recreation of
what Richard saw that night, and I'm going to get tied in the show.
Todd's working on his new documentary. Will probably wait until the documentary is
about to come out, maybe after the first of the year, and I'll
get tied back on. But we've already got that in the works. He's
certainly willing and ready to come on. Even talked about it on a live
recently over on his YouTube channels. We're working on all that, but we
can get into the trip. Man. I know you have questions like everybody
else, So why don't we get into it and you tell me what you
want to know. Yeah, man, we're just gonna take this episode is
kind of me interviewing you about the trip. I'm just going to start at
the beginning. Todd is known for charging people to take them out for however
many days doesn't guarantee any kind of experience. We all understand that he catches
a lot of shit from people. A lot of people think you shouldn't charge
for all this to do something like that big boot related I'm curious to know,
and I don't know how much he charges, And you can talk about
that if you want, But what do you get for it? When you
first got there? What were your sleeping arrangement? And how many nights?
What are does paying for a trip? With Todd's standing and clue. I
can only speak from my experience, and it was a little bit unique because
I wasn't treated the same as any other person that was going out there as
far as cost and those kind of things. Because we've been talking about this
for a couple of years, right, Kyle was basically my main guide on
this trip. Kyle is the one who reached out to me and wanted me
to come out there and spend some time in the woods with Todd in the
research area. Because Todd, he's actually right now as we record this,
he's on the last expedition of the year up there at Radium because they wrap
it up for the year and they pack up and they get out and they
leave the Sasquatch along through the winter months because it's tough up there, right,
We're talking negative thirty degrees on some of these nights. When I got
there, what was included for me was I was there for seven days total.
I was out in the woods with him for six nights. I flew
into Calgary on Monday, October Tewo. Kyle picks me up at the airport.
His dad, Richard was flying in from New York, so he picks
me up. We didn't plan this, but we got Our flights were within
five minutes of each other. When we landed. He picked us up at
the airport. That's the first time I'd met Kyle in person, and I
obviously never met his dad. His dad's a big fan of the show,
so he had an idea about me before we met. But we hop in
the truck and we go straight to Todd's house. Because Todd and Ashley had
prepared our meals for the week. I go to Todd's house and I'm standing
in Todd's house talking to him and Ashley, which was weird for me because
I've talked a lot of shit about this guy over the last few years.
But as soon as I get out of the truck, Todd's hey, man,
what's going on, Brian. He shakes my hand and just welcomes me
into his home. So we go in and they go and retrieve our meals.
I'm gonna tell you something, I'll just caveat the meals right now.
They do these pre made meals and these little metal containers with the metal tops
on them, right to go containers I guess you'd get from a restaurant.
They do this amazing like chicken and rice dish, beef and rice dish,
and Todd makes the chili right. I'm a huge chili fan, so I
was excited to try the chili. Those were our dinners for the week.
Everybody got a dinner for the week, and we loaded that. Jason Shoot
was a guy who was out there. He was not part of the expedition.
I was on per se. Jason was out there because he'd been out
a couple of times with Todd. He was going out to take the Radium
mountain hike alone. This is the mountain hike that Les Stroud did on Survivor
Man Bigfoot Less hiked up there by himself and stayed overnight a couple of nights
actually, And that's where the apples were taking off the tree. And you
see this head on Survivor Man Bigfoot pop up and take the apples. Jason
wasn't there to do that. So I met Jason. We're standing in Tide's
living room talking doing our thing. Jason had flew in from Alberta into Calgary
and the airline lost all of his luggage. And this guy is about to
go into the bush for ten days. He had nothing but the clothes on
his back. And I can't even describe to you. I'm getting Jason on
the show. Maybe we'll have him over here. We'll certainly have him on
Sasquatch Oyssey for an interview and talk about his ten days up on Radium.
Jason is just this really chill martial arts guy. This guy has world records
in martial arts and the stick fighting and weaponry right and he's just the chillis
dudes. Yeah, man, they lost my luggage. I'm going to wait
and see if they call me, and if not, I'll figure it out.
And I'm like, dude, you're going into the bush for ten days
by yourself, into the back country in Canada, and you have none of
the shit that you brought with you to take the trip, and you're just
as chill as you can be. Right. We talk a little bit,
and we've had a three hour trip in front of us, so we got
to go. So we grab our meals, we hie back in the truck,
we go buy the grocery store. We stop and get the rest of
our supplies. We shop for the week because we have nothing out there.
We get all this stuff together and we make this beautiful three hour drive from
Calgary to where we're headed. Now we're on the main road. We're going
down. There's beautiful scenery. I'm literally taking videos and pictures. I posted
some of those on social media on our Instagram and on Facebook. In this
beautiful drive and I'm not even prepared for what's going to happen for the rest
of the week. Like I'm driving through and we're going by these big,
huge reservations and beautiful mountains. And I'll tell you, dude, when I've
had tied on the show and he's talked about how remote this place is.
I've had Logan on the show. He's talked about how remote this research area
is. Kyle has talked about how remote it is. Less Stroud talked about
how remote this place was. I feel like I live in a remote area,
but I'm ten minutes from a Walmart. Dude, when you come to
our property and you're sitting on the front porch, you feel like you're just
immersed in the woods, because you really are. There's nothing around us but
woods. But we can get in the car and get on a main road
and drive to Walmart and be there in ten minutes. When I tell you
this place is remote, we drove three hours outside of Calgary. We had
to stop and get fuel. The closest fuel station is about an hour and
a half from our final destination. So we fill up the truck and we
drive on this road and then we get to this logging road and we turn
onto this logging road. I ask Kyle, like, how much farther is
it from here? Once we turn off the main road, and he's about
twenty eight to thirty kilometers. We ended up about seventeen miles into the woods
off the main road. There is literally nothing there but woods. Now it
is a logging road because there is a logging operation that has been active and
is active in certain areas out there. So occasionally you would hear or see
a logging truck come through, but that's it, and it's on the opposite
side of the area that we're going. It is the most remote place that
I have ever been in my life. We get to base camp after another
hour on this twenty seven thirty kilometers. We're going back on this rough,
rough dirt road. You're not taking your prius back there. I'm not taking
the Mini Cooper back there. We're in the four WORL drive Chevy. So
we get to base camp, which base camp is literally just two campers sitting
in the middle of a small clearing surrounded by old growth forest. Nothing but
big Douglas fir trees on the way in. Obviously, we have no water
there by the way. The water the closest water is about two miles away
from base camp, so we have to stop at the river. Kyle does
some ice bathing. I actually did a little ice bathing. I walked out
into this water. It's about twenty eight degrees Richard and I walk out into
this beautiful glacier blue water, and I'm walking out barefoot under the rocks,
and we get into the water. We fill up our water bottles, and
we continue on to base camp. When you get back to base camp here
in North Carolina, we have creeks on our property, so at night you
hear crickets. During the summertime, there's nothing. I can't even explain to
you the silence when you get back that far into the woods. There is
no sounds whatsoever. Occasionally a bird you'll hear. You'll get the occasional rodents
screeching at you or whatever when you piss a squirrel off. But outside of
that, there's nothing. It's just this really deafening silence. It dawned on
me how remote this was. Right and we're driving into this area and there's
literally a big tree bowed across the road and Kyle's that wasn't there this past
summer. This is barely new. It looks like something has bent this tree
over the road that we have to drive under it. And then there's tree
breaks everywhere. He starts pointing out tree breaks. I'm finding and seeing tree
breaks along this road that we're driving on. Just off the road. We
get to base camp. It's just me and Richard and Kyle for the night
because Todd is Jason's ride, right, he has to stay with Jason.
Jason staying with him that night because if they call at Calgary and say we've
got your bag, he's got to go retrieve it because he's going on this
ten day trip. So they spend the night at Todd's house. So Todd,
Jason, and Ashley are back three hours back in Calgary. It's just
me, Richard, and Kyle. We start setting up camp. I get
into the camper, start putting my stuff away. It's just a camper,
right, It's nothing spectacular, just a regular camper, decent sized camper.
I had one to myself, Colin his dad, Richard took the other camper,
and we immediately start on hike. Literally put our stuff down, and
he's like, where do you want to go. Let's go check out the
area. And we start walking and again, walking in the woods, We're
finding tree breaks, We're finding what looks like footprints, already these big impressions
in this spanga moss. It's hard to explain. I've seen it on the
videos that Tied posts on his YouTube channel. I've seen it in Discovering Bigfoot.
If you've seen that documentary, you've seen Jeff Meldrim, you've seen John
Bidrinaugle. They're looking at these prints. Some of them are a year or
two old, some even older. And once you break down into this moss
and hit the substrate, if it's heavy enough, it's going to stay there
for a while. It's not going to wash away. Like I know,
you're in Tennessee, I'm in North Carolina, you have something in your ground.
Here, it comes one rain, it's gone, right, there's a
print there, it rains, it's gone. Not the case with this moss.
So I'm finding these footprints, and I'm finding them, Richard's finding them,
We're finding them. Over here. Kyle's pointing out a couple of known
prints that he has seen over the last couple of years of being there.
I'm just a little overwhelmed. It's starting to get late, so we get
a fire going. We sit around the fire that night. Kyle heats up
our dinner, which is amazing. The food is all organic, it's well
sourced, and it's delicious. Ashley and Todd did a great job with the
food. My kudos to them. I gave it to him in person.
I'm giving it to you now on the show. Really good food. Everything
tastes better of course when it's cooked over a fire and you're sitting outside.
Anyway, Well, the first night was pretty uneventful. I'm trying to remember
if we heard anything. I don't think we had any activity. Maybe a
couple of wood knocks the first night, but not a whole lot. We
end up going to bed. I don't even think I put a recorder out
that night because I was so exhausted because I'd spent nine hours on a plane
from North Carolina to get to Calgary and then the drives. We get up
the next day, we just go out and start hiking. We go to
a different area Tid calls at the Pinner Playground. I can't even describe to
you this area, man. There is so many tree structures and some ex
formations, tree breaks built off of tree structures. It's just it's amazing,
and it's literally this place in the middle of nowhere. We took the logging
road back I don't know, maybe up two or three four miles away from
base camp. And we're just riding along and this area is right off of
the road in the middle of nowhere. Again like we're not there's not a
house there, there's not a camping area, there's nothing. And then we
see all these tree structures. I took tons of pictures, I took tons
of video. I'll certainly post some of those on that Bigfoot podcast blog.
You can head over to Pandamawarproductions dot com check out the blog there, and
I'll post some pictures of this stuff so you guys can see what I'm talking
about. But again, with the tree structures and the tree breaks, I'm
very skeptical, like that could be a person, right. But we go
down there and I'm leading the way. I'm going the way that I want
to go, and I step into what looks like a trackway a foot price
and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see what right back after these messages,
they're six to eight feet apart. They're poked down into this moth.
Something heavy walked there, and it's clearly to me it looks like footprints leading
to one of these big structures that is so elaborate and weaved into the other.
Could people do that, Sure, but it's not likely. It's possible,
but not likely that a person did this in the middle of nowhere.
Again, I'm thinking, but Todd have a bunch of people out here putting
this stuff up. But the more I looked, and the more I pointed,
and the more directions I went, I just kept finding more and more.
And this is literally like the first day of hiking. That's pretty much
what it was. Every day, honestly, we would go out in the
morning, we'd have breakfast, get coffee, and we set out on a
hike. First day, we probably hiked six or eight miles that day.
Then Jason's supposed to go up to radium. Jason shows up at base camp.
He did not get his luggage. This dude went out and bought a
new pack, He bought a sleeping bag, he bought some food, he
brought a few things of clothes. And mind you, we're waking up till
thirty eight degree temperatures at base camp and this guy's going another three four thousand
feet in elevation up this mount He shows up, he packs up his pack
and we're going to do the Radium hike. He packs his pack. His
pack ended up being about one hundred and ten pounds. This guy's a beast.
So we go out, We carpool out, we drive to the bottom
of the Radium Hike, and we're going to take him halfway up. Basically,
that was a beautiful hike. It was a strenuous hike. It was
straight up we're talking twelve to fifteen percent grade maybe more, and some were
straight up beautiful hike. So we take Jason up. We stop at a
beautiful spot, We have lunch on the river, he fills up his water
bottles, and I've got some cool video I post on the blog for you
guys to take a look at of Jason. We took a selfie, Me
and Kyle and Jason took a selfie together. I got some great video of
him going up the rest of the hike, so you can get an idea
of what this guy's going into. It is straight freaking up, dude.
It's one of those hikes where Jason literally said, you know, I'm gonna
have to hike for five minutes and probably stop and rest for ten minutes because
my pack is one hundred and ten pounds. It's going to take me a
couple of hours to get to the point where I'm going from here, and
this dude's going up there for seven days. Then he's going to hike down
to a lake and spend a couple of days, then he's going to come
back to base camp. So he's doing a total ten days in the woods.
And he's literally taking cans of food off of his pack because it's so
heavy, and we're helping him hide it at the area where we dropped him
off about halfway, so you'd have a few cans of food when he came
down because he was worried about running out of food. There's no water up
there by the way, he has to pack his water in as well to
go to the point where he's going. There is a lake on a lower
shelf from the mountain, so he'll be able to refuel his water at the
lake when he comes back down. This is hardcore shit, dude, Like
I thought I was something for just doing the hikes that we were doing.
This guy is a beast. I know he had some experiences because Todd's talked
about it since he came back. I have not talked to Jason, except
for we exchanged a few messages on Instagram and I sent him some of the
video that I had taken of Hi. We're going to get him on the
show and talk about his experiences while he was up there, because he did
have some experiences, not only with the sasquatch, but with a bear,
I do believe, So we'll talk about that at some point. So on
this trip that you're talking about, he had actual experiences. Yes, all
right, Yeah. We finish up the Radium hike that day, and then
that night Todd and Ashley were coming into camp. We spent the night with
Todd and Ashley sitting around the fire. We had some experiences, heard some
wood knocks. We ended up taking a night walk and had some really cool
experiences on a night walk. Again, if you're this far out in this
remote area and you go off walking into the woods, into the bush,
away from camp, away from the fire, hundreds of yards into the woods
with no light whatsoever, it's intimidating. After you've had experiences and heard things
you can't explain that are pulling you into that area. I think everybody was
a little bit nervous. I know, I certainly was. I was a
little bit apprehensive about walking out into the woods. I'm not going to lie,
and I know Richard, Kyle's dad can talk about it as well.
He was pretty nervous because this is the first time either one of us has
even been in this area. Everything's new to us, at least Kyle and
Todd and Ashley are. They're able to navigate the trails a little bit because
they've been there so many times. Todd's been working in this area four or
five years, so he knows it like the back of his hand. But
we're novices at this and it was a little intimidating. We didn't see anything,
but we did hear some things, and we got one last clear wood
knock and it was okay, it's time to go. So we got out
of there and went back to camp and ended up wrapping it up for the
evening. Not only did I hear whoops, we had some whoops while we
were sitting around campfire that I can't explain that we're very ape like what people
would describe as a sasquatch whoop. We heard the talking that are captured wood
knocks. And the next day after that we took a step back on like
the third day, away from the Bigfoot stuff. There's a place there.
I won't give away the name because it would give people an area, but
there's an area there where there's an overlook and some waterfalls and it's just really
beautiful scenery. We can go to walk in the river. So we did
that. We took the e bikes out. He has three e bikes up
there, and if you've never ridden an e bike, those things are fricking
amazing. These things are phenomenal. Had a blast on the e bikes.
But we took that out to this area. And as we're leaving, this
is like eleven o'clock in the morning, there's wood knocks bam, just clear
as day, probably three four hundred yards away from us. I do a
whoop and get a wood knock in return. Four seconds later, I do
a whoop. Vam would knock. So I go set up a recorder.
I have this audio because I set up the recorder and we left for four
or five hours on our little expedition. I haven't went through that audio yet,
so we'll see what's on there. If we got anything while I was
gone, I don't know, but we're getting wood knocks in the middle of
the day, and it seems to be interacting. Whatever it is seems to
be interacting with me. When I'm calling back after these knocks, I'm getting
a response, So I'm a little bit excited about that. I mean,
we were really torn about whether we could we should leave base camp or stay
there and try to go towards it, but it is the middle of the
day. Didn't really figure that we would end up seeing anything, so we
ended up going on with our plans, and then that night. One of
the most interesting things happens. I think that night is when we heard some
whoops. Todd and Ashley didn't stay in base camp that night. They went
up to an area called I guess I could say Strawberry the Mountain. They
were camping in the back of their truck that night, so they're, I
don't know, a couple of miles away. We heard some whoops, we
heard some interesting things, we heard some wood knocks, and then the activity
dies down and that's when we started seeing UFOs. I know people are probably
going to shake their head, but we had the first couple of nights we
had a lot of cloud cover, but this night was crystal clear. It
was cold as shit, and all the clouds were gone. The sky was
beautiful. We could even see a little bit of the Aurora borealis from where
we were, not much, but you could tell it was there. But
everything else was crystal clear. And we start seeing these lights, I don't
really know how else to describe it, moving rapidly across the sky in different
directions. We could see every thirty minutes or so, we might see a
commercial airliner that maybe going from Alberta to Calgary fly over US at about thirty
six thousand feet that you see the two lights flashing. It's clearly an airliner.
These things were probably at eighty ninety thousand feet. They were way above
anything there. There were multiple ones at certain times flying they looked like they
were going to intersect. They could have been one hundred miles away from each
other, but to the naked eye, it looked like they were going to
hit each other. So they're flying back and forth towards each other. I
watched one in binoculars fly straight up, stop and make an immediate left turn
at a ninety degree angle at I'm estimating probably two to three thousand miles per
hour. It was one of the most interesting things I've ever seen in my
life. We're watching these things in the sky. There was probably at one
point there was eight or ten at the same time in this one general area
that we're watching. Now, who knows what's going on behind us on the
other side. We're just focused on this area because they're concentrated. There eight
or ten of them. We get a meteorite that comes over our heads and
explodes into these beautiful colors. We saw probably five or six shooting stars that
night. It was the craziest night I've ever had in the sky. I've
seen a lot of crazy shit in my day, and I've seen some weird
things over the course of years, but cumulatively, to have all of that
happen within the course of just two or three hours was phenop really crazy stuff,
really interesting. We watched these things, like I said, for a
couple hours with binoculars, just big balls of light that we couldn't make out
anything. That were too far away to see any kind of shapes. But
these things were just big, like glowing blue lights, traveling eight to ten
thousand miles an hour in all kinds of directions. It was really strange.
The next night, Todd and Ashley were back in base camp and we set
up again. We had some really interesting experiences wood knocks. Didn't hear any
whoops or anything, just mostly wood knocks. That was pretty much it for
that evening. Then more hikes. Everywhere we went. We were finding tree
breaks, we were finding foot prance, weird structures, just weird stuff.
Towards the end of I think it was probably the day before I left,
or maybe the Yeah, a couple of days before I left, or the
day before I left, we decided to just go on an afternoon height.
We'd all been out that evening, we were coming back to camp to get
ready to do dinner and whatnot. We hadn't been to a certain area near
base camp, and I was like, why don't we go over there,
and todds, let's take a walk. So grab the guns and we just
go in this direction. We go back. We find this beautiful area to
watch the sunset. We just sit back and we just meditate, just chill,
listen to the sounds and we meditate. Watch the sun go down.
It was beautiful. We get up, we go in a different direction to
go back than the way we came. I was like what's over there to's
I've never really been that way. Let's go that way. Okay, so
we go that way, dude, I saw the most amazing thing I think
I've ever seen on that hight. Now there's some old trees out there.
Now, there's a lot of forest tree that's been going on. There's a
lot of down trees. There's a lot of logging. But there's a line
there that backs up to a national forest where there's no logging back there,
so you've got some old growth. These Douglas fir trees are enormous. I
can't even describe to you how big and beautiful these trees are. Some of
them are probably three hundred years old. We help across some of those tides,
like that's one of the oldest trees I've ever seen out here. It's
amazing. We're just in awe of the trees. And then we come upon
this big, huge, Douglas fir tree. I was immediately drawn to it,
just because I saw the base of the tree and how big around it
was. It's as big as the hood on my Mini Cooper. It's huge.
But that wasn't the interesting part. There are three huge trees propped up
on to the side of this tree. There's two on one side that come
together at the top and the teepee formation, and the tops of these trees
are within two to three inches of each other at the top, and then
the bottoms are down stuck into the ground. There's no root bottom that we
could see. These trees were placed there. They're probably I could estimate,
I'm horrible at this. I would say anywhere from twelve to eighteen hundred pounds
each of these trees is. And there's another one on the backside, so
there's three of these trees. So we're walking around in awe of it,
and I'm like, how in the hell did these trees get put up there?
And when we started looking really closely at the trees, you could see
a water line where it looked like one of them had been laying on the
ground. At least one of them had been laying on the ground, because
one side is perfectly smooth and together, and then the top side of the
tree at the bottom, the way it's propped up, the top side is
there's like a water line like it's just been laying on the ground for an
extended amount of time. So I am really baffled at this point, and
there's tree breaks by the way, there's a couple of tree breaks on either
side, like probably four to six inch trees that are broken, maybe ten
twelve feet up, and they're pointing in a certain direction. I don't even
know why, but Todd's talking about it. We're talking about it. He's
like asking me what I think. And he pulls out his compass and he
puts it on the tree because it looked like the trees were pointing in certain
directions. He puts his compass on the first tree. It's pointing exactly and
I'm not talking one degree off. I'm not talking two degrees half a degree.
It's pointing directly due north. He walks over to the other tree,
puts his compass on the tree. It's pointing directly due south. The tree
break is like southeast, and the other tree, they're the third one on
the other side. Now mind you, it's on the back side of where
these two come together. But if you could see through the tree, if
this is making any sense, the third one that's on the other side,
the apex of that tree lines up exactly with the points of the other two
trees that are propped up on the side of the big tree that are also
within probably I would say two maximum six inches that separated the tops of all
the trees. I've got video of it. I took a lot of pictures
of it. Todd he did a video. I don't think he's put it
out on his YouTube channel yet. He's talked about it in one of his
lives already. But we're all standing there with the mouths open. Because I've
never seen anything like this, I don't know how to explain it. Some
people would say, you saw a big tree and three trees fell on it,
right, it's a forest, and I would normally say that I'm very
Okham's razor would tell you trees fall in the forest, they land on other
trees. But when you put all of that stuff together cumulatively and see how
they're propped up there, the water line on the tree was definitive. The
other ones were questionable, whether they were laying on the ground at some point
or not. But if one of those trees was laying on the ground,
that means something or somebody had to pick them up and put them in that
position off the ground. Because there's no root balls there. They didn't follow
that one, So I have no explanation for that. And then you put
in the fact that one's pointing directly due north and the other one's pointing exactly
due south. I don't know. Man, the first time that Todd had
ever seen that particular structure, Oh yeah, he was completely an utter shock.
It was clear was he used to that area? Had he been there
before? And I was wondering if he had any idea how new it was.
He had not been through that area. He estimated we were all estimating
looking at the way the trees were, the condition the trees that were propped
up were. These trees could have been anywhere from twenty five to thirty years
old when they had been placed there, so it could have been there for
a long time. And no, that was not an area that he normally
goes to. Like I said, even the trail that we took to get
to the first area was not a way that they normally go because they don't
tend to go closer to the National forest area that we were next to.
We were literally on the cut line between where the logging area where logging is
permitted and where it's not, and we crossed that line of demarcation and went
into this area, so it was not an area that he was familiar with.
I pointed to the area that I wanted to go. He didn't lead
us there. It was me leading us in that direction. So it wasn't
like a planned thing. He didn't say, oh, let's go over here.
And no, it was not one of those because that's my first thought.
Okay, he was just leading me here. But I could tell by
the way that we pointed it out. Richard and I were like the first
two people to see it and said we went that direction to look at the
tree, and then we found those trees and then the tree breaks. I
think initially Richard saw a tree break and that's what pulled him in direction,
and then we brought everybody over to it. So it wasn't even Todd or
Kyle or Ashley that brought us into that area. It was me and Richard,
the two people that had certainly never been there before. And I could
tell. I'm a pretty good judge of character. I could tell if somebody
had seen something before, this was completely new. He was baffled by what
we were seeing, and we kept walking around and finding more. We'd find
more tree breaks. We spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes just in this area,
and then we eventually hiked back out and made it back to base camp.
Does this open the whole new can of worms as far as WU is
considered in the Big Boot community. First of all, you would have to
be able to somehow prove that it was done by sasquatch. Not going to
happen, I'm sure. But the fact that one was pointed due north and
the other due south, and your words, not a single degree off to
either side. How does that happen if it was done by sasquatch? Again,
we'll never know. I'm sure they don't have instruments that can tell them
or do that. What does that mean? How does that happen? That's
amazing to me. And we can certainly get into the WU part of it,
because I talked about that with you and on the show before. Tight
is into that sort of mind speaks, spiritual kind of connection. When Todd
asked her about the tree, he's Ashley, what are you getting from this
tree in this situation? And she immediately with hesitation, says, I feel
like they are paying homage to this tree because it is the oldest tree in
this forest. It's still alive. By the way, this tree's probably four
hundred, four hundred and twenty five years old. So she goes to that
place where she feels like the Sasquatch are doing this for a reason, they're
paying homage. She even went to the point where she was saying she felt
like maybe the Sasquatch had placed those trees there to say, if there's logging
going on, don't take this tree to draw some sort of attention to it.
It certainly drew our attention when we saw it. I don't know.
I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I don't get into that. I certainly
tried. I gave it a valiant effort. I did some meditation while I
was out there. I tried to cleanse and tried to ground. I tried
to get as close to nature as I possibly could, because I do think
that's important, whether you're talking about Woo and Bigfoot or not, just being
a part of nature. I try to do that here on our property as
much as I can, and connect to that and whatever capacity I can wherever
I go. Todd and Ashley are certainly more into that. You'll hear it
in the audio, Todd talks about that sort of aspect of his research.
I ask him point blank in the audio that I posted, you're a different
Todd than the Todd I talked to two years ago for the first time.
And I'm a different Todd than I was just a few months ago. He's
taking this spiritual journey with Sasquatch and this connection. Again, I didn't feel
that I can't speak to that for myself. That is a little out there
for me. But if that's the way that they're approaching their research and they
feel like they have this connection, who am I to say they're wrong?
But you're right. It does open up a whole can of worms with if
it's sasquatch, how do they do it? But I didn't even go to
if it's Sasquatch. I just tried to approach it, and we do.
We break it down in the video that Todd took while we were out there,
and I think it may be on some of the video that I took.
If it were a person a, it would not be one person.
It would be a group of people with mechanical instruments to lift these trees off
the ground out of the position they were in and to position them in the
position that they were leaning up against this tree on three sides, and stay
tuned for more Sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
How is that possible? And why would they do it? It would
take come along. You would have to have some mechanics. I don't know
if you wouldn't have to have some kind of a I don't know, excavator
or something with an arm long enough to pick this tree up. Because we're
talking these trees are sixty feet long and they're twelve hundred and fifteen hundred pounds.
You could probably take twenty men out there and lift it up off the
ground, you know, at waist high. But how do you get it
to point up eighty feet into this tree? I don't know how you would
do that. Maybe somebody can watch the video and tell me how a person
or a group of people could do that. I'm certainly willing to listen.
I'm not saying it with sasquatch, but I'm saying it's weird, and I
don't know any other explanation other than the one that I was presented by Todd
and Ashley and saying does it look like people did this. No, it
doesn't not in that area. There's nothing out there. If you're not out
there to log trees, you're not out there putting up against other trees.
It's just not happening. I ask. I'm assumming that y'all didn't see any
signs of heavy equipment ever been out there, or we could barely walk in
the area because of the dead fall that was around that area. There's a
ton of dead fall out there. We couldn't ride a four wheeler back there.
You couldn't ride a bike back there. Like I said, it's difficult
to traverse when you're walking in hiking boots. The heavy equipment would have crushed
anything that it went over. I don't know, man, it's just it's
tough. That was the end of the experience. Really. We didn't really
hear anything that night. I didn't really experience anything outside of that. I
walked out of the woods that day scratching my head, really wondering what I
had just experienced. I don't know. It was cool, man, but
it's definitely left me scratching my head. Now, you and I both have
interviewed people, and I know what's happened to me, and I'm sure it's
happened to you. We've talked to people that have talked about this kind of
a sixth sense, this feeling that you get, like a feeling of dread,
like something's watching you. I have felt it in the woods. I'm
sure you have felt it in the wood. Did you ever feel anything like
that the six day sixth not you were out there, did you ever feel
like you were being watched or that you weren't alone? Yes, multiple times
during the experience, when we were sitting around the fire and when the wood
knocks would happen, what sounded like talking and the whoops that were coming from
different directions, I felt that. And particularly on the night walk that we
took, I felt most exposed and I did feel the presence of something.
I don't know what it was. Could have been a big cat, it
could have been a bear, could have been anything in the woods. But
Todd was convinced, Ashley was convinced that we were interacting with a sasquatch.
I'll be honest with you, I don't know any big cats or any bears
that can pick up a rock or a stick and make the knock sounds that
we were hearing and interacting with. We went out in the middle of the
woods and sat down. Now, I had a hard time sitting down.
I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it really took me a few moments
to get my feet and legs to say, Okay, I'm going to come
out from under my ass and I'm gonna sit here in the dark, in
the middle of the woods with something two three hundred yards away knocking on trees
and having that feeling of we're not alone. That's a tough place to be
if you've never been in that situation. So it took a lot for me
to do that. And then eventually, after we sat there for I don't
know ten to fifteen minutes, it subsided and it went away. Then farther
down in a different area I know, I'd estimate three four hundred yards away,
we got this Wow, this really loud, crisp clear wood knock,
and almost collectively we're all just like, okay, I think that met goodbye,
it's time to go, and we just as a collective group just stood
up and made our way back to base camp. But yeah, that feeling
is very difficult. It wasn't really dread. For me, it was more
of an uneasy. I was shaking uncontrollably at certain points. I'm afraid to
admit Richard had the same experience. Obviously, I won't put words in Richard's
mouth. I'll let him talk about that when he comes on the show,
but he and I both talked about it afterwards in the days that followed about
justice. I think it was more adrenaline probably than fear, because I didn't
really feel afraid. It was just this uncontrollable shaking that I was going through,
and it was cold outside, but I was dressed for I don't know.
Once that feeling left, I wasn't shaking anymore and I was okay.
I definitely think we were interacting with something. I felt that the course of
several times during the expedition, and unlike what I've said before, I know
I've said it to Kyle, I've said it to Logan and other people that
have been out there. Is it possible that Todd's got people in the woods
doing wood knocks and whoops and all the things that you guys are experiencing.
I can tell you now from personal experience, there is no fucking way on
earth that there was another person out there doing what we were hearing in that
area, we would have heard them come in. You cannot get in there
unless they hiked for two weeks through the six or eight hundred or one thousand
acres on the other side of us to get to that point, to be
three four hundred yards away and know exactly when to do what they were doing.
It's not possible. So we were interacting with something in the woods that
I can't explain now to that point, I'm sure a lot of people are
going to question because it opped into my head. This Jason guy. I
mean, y'all took it him up to do his own hike and going out
there and do his own thing. There's people going to question, was he
in Cahoot. That's the first thing that I said. I even said it
to Todd and Kyle. When I first saw Jason, I thought, Oh,
how convenient. I'm out here at base camp and Jason just happens to
be going in the woods for ten days by himself, wasn't him? If
you could see geographically where Jason was versus where we were, there is absolutely,
hands down, no way, shape, form, or fashion that he
could have possibly done any of the things that we were hearing in the area
that we were hearing. It was the complete opposite side of where he took
the hike, and frankly, he's got video of himself up on the mountain
at the same time these things were going on. Even if there was a
question about his character, which hands down, there's not. Jason is one
of the most stand up guys that I've ever met. He was not out
there for anything to do with Todd. It was his own journey that he
was on. Again, like I said, he's got video, He's already
posted some of it on his Instagram page of him literally up at the top
of radium showing where he's camping each night and what's going on up there.
Hands down, absolutely no way, shape, form, or fashion that it
was Jason. Did you guys experience anything being thrown at you at all?
I did not talk about that because it wasn't definitive to me. But on
two different nights, on two different occasions, we heard what sounded like pine
cones kitting the camper behind us, and I don't mention it because I couldn't
tell if it was rocks. I've got it recorded, It's on audio,
it's clearly hitting the camper multiple times. While we're having these other experiences.
We're having wood knocks, we're having the whoop sounds, we're hearing the talking.
All the stuff's going on. But we couldn't find the pine cones.
Could it have been rocks, Sure, there were rocks all in that area.
I didn't see it and I couldn't find what it was, so I
didn't really talk about it. But yes, at least two different nights we
had that, but it was only those two nights, and I did wake
up at one point. Again, I haven't listened to the audio, so
I didn't really want to mention it. But I was awakened at I think
it was three thirty eight. I literally looked at my phone and committed its
memory. It was like three thirty eight in the morning. Something was either
tapping on the window of my camper or something was throwing something at the side
of the camper, and it woke me up. And I'm a pretty heavy
sleeper, and I had a little sound machine going on my phone, and
it woke me up over that, and I heard what sounded like shuffling outside
of the camper. When I looked out there was no movement. I couldn't
see anything, but something was definitely going on outside. Again, I don't
know it could have been a squirrel dropping nuts on top of the camper.
Until I go through the audio and actually hear, hopefully some confirmation what I
heard. I don't really want to get too deep into the weeds on that,
but that's another experience that I had that I really can't explain because it's
rare that I get woken up by a sound. You wake up, you
got to go to the bathroom, whatever. But it startled me awake because
it was that loud. It was like a like something smacked to the side
of the camper. Again, it could have been tapping, it could have
been thrown. And then I heard what sounded like shuffling outside to the point
where I was a little alarmed and I thought, ah, what is that.
So hopefully I captured that on audio and maybe I'll have a little bit
more of a definitive answer as to what that could have been. But without
seeing it, it's difficult or impossible really to say. I'm glad that you
brought that up, because it leads to something that I've talked about recently.
When you woke up to this possible something hitting the trailer and scuff scurrying around
outside. How did you feel Did you have the energy to get up?
Dude? Did you get up and go investigate? Just how did you feel?
Yeah? The first thing I thought was what the fuck was that?
Who's tapping on the trailer? The second thing I did was get up and
look out the window. So you were able to get up, yes,
But the problem is the window that was behind me has a cover on it
and I couldn't look out directly out that window, so I had to look
out both side windows and there was no movement. The camper next to me
was h Kyle and Richard were There was no lights, there was no movement,
nothing. I didn't hear the shuffling anymore. When I did look out
the back, I saw nothing, But I did get up and look.
That's something I've talked about here recently. I talked about it with Doug Hatchak
when I went on as a guest on his show. It's happened to me
several times out on expeditions camping, waking up, something waking you up outside
of your tent or outside of the camper, and me knowing that I'm there
to gather evidence, I'm there to see something, but just not having the
energy or the drive to get up and go check talk something stopping you.
So that was my thinking by asking that. Yeah, I was shocked,
actually, but I had an adrenaline rush, like I said, because it
was a start that woke me up, and I was like, I had
that minute or what the hell was that? Then it kicked in. I
need to look right because at that point we were deep enough into the expedition
that Richard had his experience, had gotten up in the middle of the night
to go out and take a whiz next to the camper. He saw a
shadow standing over beside him. And I actually have the audio. If you
want me to, I'll just I played and let everybody hear Richard talk about
it in his own words, and then we can follow up if you want
to do that. Yeah, let's do that. So Richard, you have
an experience while you were out here, Why don't you tell us what happened?
Man? So I got really early in the morning, it was cold
out, and I came out here to use the bathroom, and I was
right about here and I noticed really huge black what I thought was a shadow
just behind that little tree there, so I kept moving and looking to see
if it would move, and it wouldn't move, so I decided to walk
and I kept looking and I got out way the crop looking looking down,
and it wasn't moving. So I turned I looked back at the camper,
and then I looked back and it was still there, and my first thought
was it was a bear. While I walked closer because I wanted to try
and get it to move, but it wouldn't move, so I didn't feel
comfortable going any further, so I just turned around and walked away. And
then later I woke Kyle up and we came out and I told him just
what hot and here he came down over here, and I thought the trail
was real life. He goes off and came over this way and Kyle got
in that spot walked over this way and I was like right here, and
he said, there's a big hang up here, and I said there was
hook up from this tree over here. It was huge, and I was
standing up there. I don't think it was the bear, and from stand
out there and said, what he's that and he's I don't know him,
but it's pretty solid and you can almost feel so he stood in it and
then he went like this, right in this impression, it's really hard compared
to the rest of it. And he went like this to take another step,
and I was like, right there, that was about the height of
the top of his head. Now, this is a pretty deep pull for
me to see it up there and see him. So whatever it was came
out from there, but it was definitely a really huge black spot that took
up a very tall space. You could see the video of Richard talking and
I'll post this over on that Bigfoot podcast blog so everybody can see it.
It's pretty interesting. Richard is a stand up guy. I know you guys
don't know him. I spent seven days with him. He assaulted the Earth
kind of guy. He's not going to make up stories while he's out there.
He goes on a little bit about his description of this thing. But
he didn't get a good look at her. He didn't see a face.
And he struggled with this for the rest of the trip because he didn't get
a good look at whatever it was. It really didn't move, so he
could take a really good gander and say, this is what I saw,
But when you run through the gamut of things, if this were a brown
bear, Richard probably wouldn't be telling this story, right. That's just the
way of the world out there. It's about a six to seven hundred pounds
mail brown bear that hangs around in this area that we were very careful about.
We didn't see throughout the course of the week, but he's been seeing
on other expeditions. We know he's there. I don't know what Richard saw,
but I don't think what Richard saw was a bear that night where shadows
playing trick on him. He would say, no, he was pretty definitive
that something was there. He looked back, he made sure, he double
checked, and he got close and probably within fifteen to twenty feet of whatever
this was. Something was there the area that he's describing and he's talking about,
I went and stood in that area. There are impressions in that hole
that are very much like footprints, and they're spaced enough apart where if you
look exactly where those footprints are, your feet would be positioned. You have
a perfect vantage point to see where Richard was standing in our base camp.
I don't know. I was a little taken aback. By that, I
mean it was definitely something that shook him up. Like I said, he
struggled with it for the rest of the week. Was you know, he
felt like he had a siding, but he wasn't sure. I think that's
a whole lot of course, and not seeing anything at all, which is
the case for me. I didn't see anything at all, so I didn't
have that battle going back and forth. But I don't know, it's pretty
interesting that he had that experience in conjunction with all the other stuff that was
going on around camp. Yeah, it definitely is. Now, were you
guys armed? Were you allowed to carry? The laws in Canada are pretty
cut and dry when it comes to guns. But I'll say this, we
never went outside base camp without a couple of weapons. There was a forty
five seventy in base camp, and there was a shotgun with slugs and buckshot
in base camp that always went with whomever was on the expedition. And I
may or may not have carried one of those weapons. My lawyer said to
say that was a joke. May or may not have been carrying some of
those weapons on one or more of the hikes that we were on because it
is bear country man. There's a lot of things out there that can kill
you, and we weren't taking any chances. We never left camp without bear
spray and some sort of a weapon, had knives. On a worst case
scenario, we can stab it in the eyeball. Now, what about smells?
Did you smell anything that infamous rotten, nasty smell that sometimes gets attributed
Absolutely no smells. Now, okay, we did have apples taken. I
didn't mention that. We did put apples up at the gifting spot just outside
of camp on two different occasions. We did have apples taken. Some of
them were eaten by clearly birds and squirrels and things like that, but some
of them were completely gone. We did experience one of the apples being taken
and there were rocks moved off of a stump. There was a couple of
rocks that had been placed there. One was like a small blue rock.
I've got video of this and I took some photos as well. It was
towards the end of the I think it was the night before we left the
expedition. We went up to check the apples. Apples were taken from fourteen
feet off the tree, I don't know if I saw it or Ashley saw
it. One of us said who moved the rock? Because we all took
mental notes of where everything was right. There's a couple of gifting stumps around
there where people have put rocks and other things. I put rocks out there
on our apples and those were moved. We can't really explain what happened,
but those were moved from the apples and this rock particularly, there was a
bigger rock with a smaller blue rock that really stuck out. That blue rock
was taken off of that rock and they were rearranged on the stump next to
where the apples were taken. I can't explain that. I don't know what
did it. It happened. And Todd had a siding. Todd and Nashley
had a siding when they were out by themselves during the day. I took
some video of Todd recreating that siding. I'll post that at some point in
time for you guys to take a look at as well. But they were
at a really strange structure that they found, maybe a couple of miles away
from base camp. They were out there during the day, had an experience
and an interaction with a sasquatch that walked up and did a couple of tree
knocks in front of him and disappeared into the bush. Todd tells that story
much better, Like I said, I've got it his entire recreation in the
area, so you can see the structure, you can see the area,
and you can see Todd recreating his and Ashley's experience that they had with the
sasquatch. He can do it much better than me. But that's pretty much
it in a nutshell now. He they said he saw one actually hit the
tree. Yes, he watched it knocked the tree. Yes, couldn't tell
what it had in its hand. He assumed that it was a rock,
may not have had anything in its hand. But again he talks about it
in the video. We'll post that audio and or the video so you guys
can take a look at it and get it directly from Todd. But yes,
he and Ashley said they had that experience and it walked up and hit
the tree twice like bail And stay tuned for more sasquatch ott to see.
We'll be right back after these messages. And of course you aren't with him.
I was not, and I just left that there. Yeah, I
know, man, I know what people might think. And here's the thing.
I have struggled so much after this expedition because I went into it with
a very open mind. I tried to put myself in the best place I
could. You and I talked about it. I even said it to Kyle,
and then while I was there, I told Todd I literally came into
that experience thinking I was going to be hoaxed. I really thought that everything
that happened to me was going to be a hoax. And the second I
arrived at base camp, I had to reevaluate and I had to spend that
first night really considering the fact that if something happens out here, I have
to approach it with an open mind, just like I would being skeptical about
any other evidence or whatever the case may be. I have to be open
to the fact that something might happen. I might have a siding, I
might have an experience that's real, and I can't just automatically dismiss it as
a hoax because it's very likely it's not. Because of the remote area we're
in, there's nobody else out here to perpetrate a hoax. It's just not
possible, right. I had to really erase that out of my mind and
recalibrate and say, Okay, I'm going to do the very best I can
to approach this from a very open minded perspective and just say, I'm going
to go into this with no expectations one way or the other, whatever happens.
I'm going to evaluate the experiences I have in real time as they happen
and just approach it that way. So that's what I did, and every
single time I did that, I had experiences that I can't explain. I
wasn't hoaxed. There wasn't people out there beating on trees. There were people
out there yelling in the woods. I don't think people were out there doing
these elaborate tree structures that I saw. Now, the tree breaks are another
thing. Kyle and I had some arguments about that, and I even talked
to Todd about it, Like these trees, tree breaks can be done by
people. Some of them at least could be done by people. Right if
they're right there on the way into base camp, you're bringing people in for
expeditions, you're driving in, and you can see tree breaks automatically. Oh
look, at that tree break. Oh, look at that tree break.
Now? Could they be regular deadfall? Could they be snowload? Could it
happen naturally? Sure? I did see a lot of tree breaks that I
can't explain, and the way that they're broken. I actually posted a video
on Facebook, I think put on Instagram of me doing a demonstration of breaking
a tree that's probably two and a half inches round. I made it look
very similar to the tree breaks that we were finding, but not exact.
And that's the thing about a lot of these tree breaks is they are very
specifically done, or at least it appears that way. All of the material
on the back side of the break is still intact. It's what they call
a clean break. Todd and Kyle call it a clean break versus a dirty
break or a messy break. I see ones that you can see that are
clearly snowload, with other trees bent around and things going on in the area
are pretty obvious. Some of these I shake my head and scratch my head
and go, I don't know what really caused that. I don't know any
natural reason for that. So I really want to seek out an arborist or
somebody who's into trees or the mechanics of snowload and things like that. So
if anybody out there is listening and you have some expertise in that area,
I'd love to talk to you on the show about it and show you some
of the pictures of videos of some of the things that we found in that
area and even that I found here on my property, to get some perspective
that I don't have, or maybe you don't have, as to what would
cause that naturally, Because I can just look at it and say that could
be natural or it could be a freaking sasquatch. I don't know. There's
nothing in between for me because I'm not an arbist, I don't know mechanical
engineering. I'm open to have that conversation, but until that happens, I
just have to say there's a lot of those tree breaks and a lot of
things that are pointing in certain directions and done a certain way that I can't
explain. I have to say, is it possible that a sasquatch did it?
Sure? Because again Todd has told stories. He told me about a
situation where he watched a sasquatch do a tree break because he didn't believe the
tree breaks were real. He started his entire research career, according to Todd,
to prove that sasquatch weren't real. He didn't think they were real.
The tree breaks kept happening. He was discovering these tree breaks. One stepped
out on a trail in front of him and snapped a tree right in front
of him, and he was like, holy shit, they do tree breaks.
Until I had that experience and actually see a sasquatch break a tree in
front of me, I'm probably going to be scratching my head and saying,
I don't know if that happened. Is it possible as sasquatch did it?
Sure? Is it possible that it's something natural? Absolutely? Minute sounds like
you had a great time. Said it before, and I'll say it again.
I'm jealous. I would love to have an opportunity like that. I'm
glad you got to go, man, I really am. Yeah, I
am too. And that was the thing going into it. He didn't figure
it was going to change my mind about the videos that everybody talks about with
Todd, whether the videos are real. And I asked him the question about
what about the footage leading up to it, that's been a big question for
me. It was a question for Les Stroud, it was a question for
a lot of people. What about the lead up and what about the back
end of the videos? And I have this on audio. It's not on
the first round of stuff that I put out, but I should have it
in the other audio that I have to go through. Yet I asked Todd
what about that? Where's the lead up footage? And the simple answer is
there isn't any There isn't any lead up footage. There isn't any footage.
Afterwards, he says it's because of the equipment he was using. He was
using a camera with a limited battery life. He's out in the middle of
the woods, he's in the cold, he had to save his battery.
So, according to Todd, there's no lead up footage for the Jane,
the Jake and any of the other videos because he literally, there's a sasquatch.
Let me focus on it, let me turn the camera on, let
me zoom in. And that's his answer. That's one of those questions that
I promise people I would ask. I did ask, and that's what the
answer was. Can I say that makes sense? Sure? I've been out
before and I've saved the battery on my phone. I didn't charge my phone
before I go one a two hour hike, and I don't record everything like
I normally would because I have to save my battery. So is that a
feasible answer? Sure? Does it change my mind about the validity of the
videos? Not necessarily. But here's what I had to really come away with.
People have asked me so many times. People have already commented. Some
people on our Patreon have already listened to the episode and said, I think
Todd's full of shit. Everybody's always going to have that opinion. There's some
things I don't agree with him on. I don't get into the spiritual connection.
I don't necessarily understand or get into the mind speak part of his Bigfoot
research. Is telepathy real? Yeah? I think it is. I think
that science has proved that telepathy is a thing. Can you have a telepath
connection with Bigfoot? If they exist? Maybe? Does Todd have that?
Does Ashley have that? Does Kyle have that? Maybe? I certainly don't,
so I can't speak to that. But I think here's the bottom line
for me. When I walked away from the expedition with Todd, I spent
enough time with Todd. He invited me into his home. He was gracious,
he was welcoming, he was open. He let me record any and
everything I wanted to audio video. He didn't care. He had nothing to
hide. So I walked away with this. I am not convinced that his
videos that he has purported in the past to be real Sasquatch are real.
I walked away from the expedition saying, you know what, I don't know
if I even give a shit anymore. To be honest with you, I
don't really care about the videos anymore because seeing them do the research, getting
out into the woods, spending time sleeping on the ground and doing boots on
the ground research and finding things. We discovered things that nobody else has ever
found during that expedition. Todd didn't know about those structures that we found.
They're doing research, they're having experiences. I had experiences in those woods that
I can't explain with what I believe to be a sasquatch. So that part
is true. So I'm focusing on that. Because he says he has more
video. I asked him about his upcoming documentary, and he does have more
video footage that's going to be into the documentary. I won't say what the
videos of I'll let that be for the documentary. But he has a new
video of what he purports to be a sasquatch. Let's wait until that comes
out and we'll judge that when it comes out. I can't speak to that.
I haven't seen the video. He didn't show it to me. But
the documentary's happening. It's going to be put out here, probably in the
next I would say four to six months, maybe sooner. I don't know.
Let's judge that. But what I I'm judging on is my time with
Todd, my experiences with him, Ashley Kyle, and Richard out in the
woods. I have to say, although I don't agree with everything he says,
I believe that what he's doing is real. The research is real.
We didn't even get into the thermal drone. We put the thermal drone up
twice. I've got videos of that, probably an hour's worth of thermal drone
video that I'll eventually put out for you guys to take a look at.
He's using tools that other people really aren't using, I think, and doing
things that in a way that people necessarily aren't doing to try to get footage
to prove the species and do some of those things. I walked away with
believing that the research is real and still questioning the videos. But at the
end of the day, I can't say that I dislike Todd. I like
Todd, I like Ashley. I had a great time. The area is
beautiful. Here's what I would say. I would challenge anybody if you don't
believe me, you don't believe the research. Whatever, I want an expedition,
go to the area, experience it yourself, and formulate your own opinions.
That's really all I can say about it is it's one of those things
you have to see to believe, and you have to experience it to draw
your own conclusions about You know it it, man. You absolutely said what
I've been saying this whole time. I think the videos, Like you said,
you don't care anymore if they're real or not, because you can respect
what he does. And that's what I've always said. I respect the hell
out of how much time he puts in the woods, everything that he does,
and the boots on the ground. It's just like the videos. You
don't need it, man, you don't need it. You're putting in the
work, You're doing so much more than so many other people are doing.
I don't know. I think you said it very well, like I said
something that people just really have to experience for themselves. I'm sure people are
probably going to be pissed off just because I said I don't hate Todd,
but it is what it is. I'm going to be honest about it.
The man treated me with respect, He opened his house up to me.
He was a genuine, honest dude. I don't feel like he lied to
me about anything over the course of the week that we were there. He
is an open book. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks about most things,
and you can disagree all you want. It's fine. We disagree on
a lot of things. There's that mutual respect I don't get from a lot
of people, honestly. There's a ton of people who talk a ton of
crap. You got keyboard vigilanes that are going to tear me apart for not
bashing him and saying I'm on board with it, or whatever the case may
be. I don't really give a shit because how many times have those people
actually gone out into the woods. That's one of the things Todd said to
me, very few podcasters would ever have the balls to come out and do
what I did for seven days. We lived a tough seven days. Man.
It was not being put up in a hotel. We were in the
frickin bush, shitting in the woods and surviving. We had campers obviously to
sleep in, but it was cold as hell. We were in the middle
of nowhere, and shit can happen out there if you don't have the balls
to actually go out experience it yourself. I don't think you really have a
place to talk about what other people are doing until you have the experiences and
see the area where you're having those experiences in, can you really formulate an
opinion. Because I talked a whole lot of shit about Todd for a couple
of years, and it took me that long to actually go up there and
experience it. And when I did, I walked away with the newfound respect
for him. Again, I won't agree with everything he says. I'm not
necessarily picking up what he's putting down with the telepathic stuff because I didn't experience
that, but hey, it's his thing. He's not hurting anybody doing that.
The people he takes out on these expeditions, they go back, they
go back multiple times, and if nothing else, just the area and being
in that area for that amount of time just recharges your batteries. Whether Bigfoot
stuff happens or not. It's a gorgeous place. It's an amazing place.
You eat good food, you connect with nature. I learned a lot about
myself on that trip. If that's the worst thing that happens, you have
the money to pay him and go out on an expedition. Where's the harm
in that? I drove to Charlotte to go see a show last night that
cost me money. I enjoyed the show. I took the risk of driving
there, I took the risk of driving back. I spent the money to
go to the show. It's the same thing, right, It's just a
different perspective that you have to get into going and spending a week in the
woods versus spending a couple of hundred dollars to go to a football game or
whatever the case may be. I don't think it's any different. The only
difference is I do believe Todd and Kyle and Ashley are out there really doing
research because they're searching for answers in their own way. Maybe it's different than
what I would do. Maybe it's different from what you would do or other
people would do. But they're searching for answers and they're doing research and they're
having experiences. I would love to do something like that, and hopefully one
day that opportunity to presents. This s uff to me because I would jump
all over it, or I really would. Maybe next year, Man already
said, I'd like to go back up to Radium. I'd like to enjoy
some more time out there, maybe have some more experiences. I may go
back next year. I don't know. We'll just have to see. I
will go with you. We might have to make that happen, all right,
Man, that's all I've got on this one. I'm glad you enjoyed
yourself. Man, I'm happy that you got to go. Yeah. I
had a good time. And like I said, we'll post some videos and
we'll post some pictures up on the blog. So you guys go over to
Paranormal World Productions dot com and go over and check out the videos we're talking
about the photos. If you have questions, we're probably going to do a
live show about this. We'll probably do a Paranormal Odyssey live. We'll probably
do a Sasquatch Odyssey live. But if you have questions you want it,
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