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Today. 17 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.519 Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know aka Surviving 18 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:37.040 Man and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otisy. Hey guys, and welcome 19 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.680 back to Sasquatch Odyssey. Thank you so much for being with us for the 20 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.159 show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a grand week. 21 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.239 We have an amazing show lined up for you. But before we get 22 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.879 there, I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter 23 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.439 and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get 24 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.680 me at Brian at Paranimal World Productions dot com. Can head over to the 25 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:57.680 website, check it out, become a member there and help support the show. 26 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.159 As I said, we've got a great show lined up for you. 27 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.480 Wayne and I got to sit down over on that Bigfoot podcast last week and 28 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.000 we did an interview about my time up in Radium, BC on the expedition 29 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:14.319 with Todd Standing. Some of you guys have not listened to that. I've 30 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.280 looked at the number, so there's a ton of you who haven't heard that 31 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.240 interview. So I felt compelled to put it out over here. We told 32 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.520 you guys when we started that Bigfoot podcast, we weren't going to cross promote 33 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.840 that, but I think this is a special exception. So here is going 34 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.400 to be the interview that Wayne and I did over on that Bigfoot podcast last 35 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.360 week, and we get into all the nuances and all the things that I 36 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:38.120 experienced while I was there in Radium with Todd standing and with Kyle and Ashley 37 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.919 and Richard. So I hope you guys really enjoy this. It's sort of 38 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.840 a breakdown of what I felt, what I experienced, and what I thought 39 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.240 about the trip overall. For those of you who have listened to this on 40 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.680 that Bigfoot podcast, some of you guys have come out with some strong opinions 41 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.159 on Todd and my time there, and I'll just say this, when you 42 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:58.879 go into the interview, I am going to be honest about my experiences there. 43 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.599 I know a lot of you feel a certain way about Todd. I 44 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:05.400 still have questions about certain things that have to do with Todd, but I'm 45 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.800 just gonna be honest about the research. I'm gonna be honest about my experiences 46 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:12.199 that I had there, and we can have a real honest discussion about that 47 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.520 anytime you want. You can always send me an email Brian at Panormaworldproductions dot 48 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.199 com. For those of you who have you know that I respond to that 49 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.520 directly and we can have those conversations offline if we need to. But for 50 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.479 those of you who haven't heard this, I'm gonna stop talking. I'm gonna 51 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.439 let the music play. You guys, sit back, relax, and enjoy 52 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:57.280 the show. Wane, what's up man? That's going man? You are 53 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.680 a fresh off of a Canadian road trip, eager to talk about that. 54 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.520 What's up with you? Brian, same stuff, different day, Man, 55 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.000 I'm hanging in like a're hearing a biscuit. I'm actually fresh off of a 56 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.759 South Carolina road trip that came right on the back of the Canadian road trip. 57 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:14.680 So I feel like I haven't even been home yet. I haven't had 58 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.040 time to even sit down and go through all the audio and the video and 59 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.439 all the stuff that I collected during the Radium expedition. But we had an 60 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:24.560 amazing time in South Carolina. You have got to come with us and do 61 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:29.720 that trip next year. Man. The South Carolina Bigfoot Festival up in Westminster 62 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.399 is an amazing Bigfoot Festival. We had a blast, man. There were 63 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.920 thousands of people came through. We sold a whole shit ton of merchandise and 64 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.879 talked to a lot of listeners of the show. People were asking about you. 65 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.439 They were talking about that Bigfoot podcast and how they enjoy this show. 66 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.120 So you definitely got to make the trip down. It's worth it, man. 67 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.759 So if you can put that on your calendar next year, Danny and 68 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.519 I'll send it to you so you can make the trip because it's definitely worth 69 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.240 the time. Yeah, man, that sounds awesome. I've never even heard 70 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.519 of it, so you'd love to make the trip. Yeah. Laws just 71 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.720 bought a house right there in Seneca, South Carolina, which is about nine 72 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.040 minutes away from Westminster. We've been looking at it for a couple of years 73 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.439 and thinking about just going and trying it out. But we were like, 74 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.240 hey, let's make the first time. We'll go as a vendor, and 75 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.920 we did, and Jessica and those people put on an amazing festival. There 76 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.720 was a couple of great speakers that they had. I didn't get to see 77 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.560 any of the speakers because we were really busy with our merchandise and Danny and 78 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:25.959 I were manning the booth all weekend, but it's Friday and Saturday. It 79 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.839 was a really great time, and I got to spend some quality time with 80 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:31.480 the in laws because we stayed with them about nine minutes away. So good 81 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.160 times, man. But I know people aren't tuning in to hear about my 82 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.519 South Carolina trip. They want to hear about the Radium trip, and I've 83 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.839 been saying it on Sasquatch Odyssey. I'm trying my best to get through the 84 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.600 audio. But I literally came back from that trip. I flew in from 85 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.639 Calgary into North Carolina on Monday, and we had to get ready for that 86 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:53.199 trip and pack up and leave on Thursdays. As we're recording this now, 87 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.399 if you're listening to this, you can go over to Sasquatch Odyssey because it 88 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:02.519 dropped today. I did a whole hour of our fireside chat. It's audio 89 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:09.720 from around the campfire. It's me Todd standing his girlfriend and research partner Ashley, 90 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:14.240 Kyle DeShane from the Discovering Bigfoot podcast, and Kyle's dad, Richard, 91 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.399 all sitting around the fire just shooting the breeze basically, and we get into 92 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.639 all kinds of things. I sent you the audio, so you could hear 93 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.399 it a couple of days ago. But we talk about Todd's videos, we 94 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:28.240 talk about his research, We get into all kinds of stuff, and we 95 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.360 even towards the end of that video, we capture a sound that I heard 96 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.279 in the woods that I can only describe as like samurai chatter. Something was 97 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.439 talking in the woods, and you can hear it in the audio. I 98 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.399 say, hey, Ash, did you hear that? Because I saw her 99 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.279 kind of look up, and Kyle heard something too. We called it on 100 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.639 audio. It's right at the very end of that audio that you can listen 101 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.040 to. But Todd's talking about something. I think he's talking about Bear Grillus 102 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:56.240 and his experience on that show or whatever. You hear something in the background 103 00:06:56.279 --> 00:07:01.000 going lit and it literally sounded like samurai chatter, something talking in real time. 104 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.199 I was telling you earlier, before we came on, I did set 105 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.920 up another recorder that was about forty feet away from us. It was away 106 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.680 from the dialogue we were having. So I'm hoping that it was caught on 107 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.519 there and maybe I can isolate it off of that audio, But it's buried 108 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:16.279 in about twelve hours of audio from that night, So I've got to go 109 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.480 through all of that. Everybody be patient. Danny's actually working on trying to 110 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:24.000 put together some kind of a schedule to put out on social media that'll give 111 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.279 you an idea of what kind of shows we're going to do about this over 112 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.240 the next couple of months when you can tune in, We're going to do 113 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:31.519 some lives. I'm going to get Kyle on. I'm going to get his 114 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.160 dad on because his dad said he had a sighting while we were there. 115 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.279 You and I can probably talk about that today. And I've got a little 116 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.959 audio from one of the videos that I took of sort of a recreation of 117 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.199 what Richard saw that night, and I'm going to get tied in the show. 118 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:49.040 Todd's working on his new documentary. Will probably wait until the documentary is 119 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.720 about to come out, maybe after the first of the year, and I'll 120 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.399 get tied back on. But we've already got that in the works. He's 121 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.480 certainly willing and ready to come on. Even talked about it on a live 122 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:01.920 recently over on his YouTube channels. We're working on all that, but we 123 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.720 can get into the trip. Man. I know you have questions like everybody 124 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:07.839 else, So why don't we get into it and you tell me what you 125 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.240 want to know. Yeah, man, we're just gonna take this episode is 126 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.120 kind of me interviewing you about the trip. I'm just going to start at 127 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:24.879 the beginning. Todd is known for charging people to take them out for however 128 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:30.399 many days doesn't guarantee any kind of experience. We all understand that he catches 129 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.720 a lot of shit from people. A lot of people think you shouldn't charge 130 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.039 for all this to do something like that big boot related I'm curious to know, 131 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.960 and I don't know how much he charges, And you can talk about 132 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.879 that if you want, But what do you get for it? When you 133 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.799 first got there? What were your sleeping arrangement? And how many nights? 134 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.240 What are does paying for a trip? With Todd's standing and clue. I 135 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.759 can only speak from my experience, and it was a little bit unique because 136 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.600 I wasn't treated the same as any other person that was going out there as 137 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.360 far as cost and those kind of things. Because we've been talking about this 138 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:09.600 for a couple of years, right, Kyle was basically my main guide on 139 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.000 this trip. Kyle is the one who reached out to me and wanted me 140 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.679 to come out there and spend some time in the woods with Todd in the 141 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.639 research area. Because Todd, he's actually right now as we record this, 142 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.960 he's on the last expedition of the year up there at Radium because they wrap 143 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.759 it up for the year and they pack up and they get out and they 144 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.120 leave the Sasquatch along through the winter months because it's tough up there, right, 145 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.360 We're talking negative thirty degrees on some of these nights. When I got 146 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.759 there, what was included for me was I was there for seven days total. 147 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.240 I was out in the woods with him for six nights. I flew 148 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.639 into Calgary on Monday, October Tewo. Kyle picks me up at the airport. 149 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.519 His dad, Richard was flying in from New York, so he picks 150 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:54.240 me up. We didn't plan this, but we got Our flights were within 151 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.919 five minutes of each other. When we landed. He picked us up at 152 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.159 the airport. That's the first time I'd met Kyle in person, and I 153 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.759 obviously never met his dad. His dad's a big fan of the show, 154 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.639 so he had an idea about me before we met. But we hop in 155 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.679 the truck and we go straight to Todd's house. Because Todd and Ashley had 156 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.480 prepared our meals for the week. I go to Todd's house and I'm standing 157 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.440 in Todd's house talking to him and Ashley, which was weird for me because 158 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.919 I've talked a lot of shit about this guy over the last few years. 159 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.240 But as soon as I get out of the truck, Todd's hey, man, 160 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.639 what's going on, Brian. He shakes my hand and just welcomes me 161 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.159 into his home. So we go in and they go and retrieve our meals. 162 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.519 I'm gonna tell you something, I'll just caveat the meals right now. 163 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.240 They do these pre made meals and these little metal containers with the metal tops 164 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.559 on them, right to go containers I guess you'd get from a restaurant. 165 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.879 They do this amazing like chicken and rice dish, beef and rice dish, 166 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.480 and Todd makes the chili right. I'm a huge chili fan, so I 167 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.519 was excited to try the chili. Those were our dinners for the week. 168 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:00.600 Everybody got a dinner for the week, and we loaded that. Jason Shoot 169 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.080 was a guy who was out there. He was not part of the expedition. 170 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:07.080 I was on per se. Jason was out there because he'd been out 171 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.879 a couple of times with Todd. He was going out to take the Radium 172 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.960 mountain hike alone. This is the mountain hike that Les Stroud did on Survivor 173 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.200 Man Bigfoot Less hiked up there by himself and stayed overnight a couple of nights 174 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.759 actually, And that's where the apples were taking off the tree. And you 175 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:28.080 see this head on Survivor Man Bigfoot pop up and take the apples. Jason 176 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.759 wasn't there to do that. So I met Jason. We're standing in Tide's 177 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:35.279 living room talking doing our thing. Jason had flew in from Alberta into Calgary 178 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.240 and the airline lost all of his luggage. And this guy is about to 179 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:43.679 go into the bush for ten days. He had nothing but the clothes on 180 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.080 his back. And I can't even describe to you. I'm getting Jason on 181 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.679 the show. Maybe we'll have him over here. We'll certainly have him on 182 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.639 Sasquatch Oyssey for an interview and talk about his ten days up on Radium. 183 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:58.159 Jason is just this really chill martial arts guy. This guy has world records 184 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:03.600 in martial arts and the stick fighting and weaponry right and he's just the chillis 185 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:05.440 dudes. Yeah, man, they lost my luggage. I'm going to wait 186 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.840 and see if they call me, and if not, I'll figure it out. 187 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.679 And I'm like, dude, you're going into the bush for ten days 188 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.519 by yourself, into the back country in Canada, and you have none of 189 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.879 the shit that you brought with you to take the trip, and you're just 190 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.159 as chill as you can be. Right. We talk a little bit, 191 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.120 and we've had a three hour trip in front of us, so we got 192 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.320 to go. So we grab our meals, we hie back in the truck, 193 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.679 we go buy the grocery store. We stop and get the rest of 194 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:35.720 our supplies. We shop for the week because we have nothing out there. 195 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.759 We get all this stuff together and we make this beautiful three hour drive from 196 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.600 Calgary to where we're headed. Now we're on the main road. We're going 197 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.200 down. There's beautiful scenery. I'm literally taking videos and pictures. I posted 198 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:52.440 some of those on social media on our Instagram and on Facebook. In this 199 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.919 beautiful drive and I'm not even prepared for what's going to happen for the rest 200 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.480 of the week. Like I'm driving through and we're going by these big, 201 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.399 huge reservations and beautiful mountains. And I'll tell you, dude, when I've 202 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:07.639 had tied on the show and he's talked about how remote this place is. 203 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.559 I've had Logan on the show. He's talked about how remote this research area 204 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.000 is. Kyle has talked about how remote it is. Less Stroud talked about 205 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.639 how remote this place was. I feel like I live in a remote area, 206 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.519 but I'm ten minutes from a Walmart. Dude, when you come to 207 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.399 our property and you're sitting on the front porch, you feel like you're just 208 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.440 immersed in the woods, because you really are. There's nothing around us but 209 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.120 woods. But we can get in the car and get on a main road 210 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.639 and drive to Walmart and be there in ten minutes. When I tell you 211 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:41.279 this place is remote, we drove three hours outside of Calgary. We had 212 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.320 to stop and get fuel. The closest fuel station is about an hour and 213 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.200 a half from our final destination. So we fill up the truck and we 214 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.879 drive on this road and then we get to this logging road and we turn 215 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.279 onto this logging road. I ask Kyle, like, how much farther is 216 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.480 it from here? Once we turn off the main road, and he's about 217 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:05.240 twenty eight to thirty kilometers. We ended up about seventeen miles into the woods 218 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.000 off the main road. There is literally nothing there but woods. Now it 219 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.919 is a logging road because there is a logging operation that has been active and 220 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.559 is active in certain areas out there. So occasionally you would hear or see 221 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.240 a logging truck come through, but that's it, and it's on the opposite 222 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:26.720 side of the area that we're going. It is the most remote place that 223 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.720 I have ever been in my life. We get to base camp after another 224 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.799 hour on this twenty seven thirty kilometers. We're going back on this rough, 225 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.000 rough dirt road. You're not taking your prius back there. I'm not taking 226 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.120 the Mini Cooper back there. We're in the four WORL drive Chevy. So 227 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.159 we get to base camp, which base camp is literally just two campers sitting 228 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:54.360 in the middle of a small clearing surrounded by old growth forest. Nothing but 229 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.840 big Douglas fir trees on the way in. Obviously, we have no water 230 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.039 there by the way. The water the closest water is about two miles away 231 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.159 from base camp, so we have to stop at the river. Kyle does 232 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.360 some ice bathing. I actually did a little ice bathing. I walked out 233 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:11.799 into this water. It's about twenty eight degrees Richard and I walk out into 234 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:18.480 this beautiful glacier blue water, and I'm walking out barefoot under the rocks, 235 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.799 and we get into the water. We fill up our water bottles, and 236 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.720 we continue on to base camp. When you get back to base camp here 237 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:26.679 in North Carolina, we have creeks on our property, so at night you 238 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.080 hear crickets. During the summertime, there's nothing. I can't even explain to 239 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.320 you the silence when you get back that far into the woods. There is 240 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.440 no sounds whatsoever. Occasionally a bird you'll hear. You'll get the occasional rodents 241 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.919 screeching at you or whatever when you piss a squirrel off. But outside of 242 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:50.559 that, there's nothing. It's just this really deafening silence. It dawned on 243 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.360 me how remote this was. Right and we're driving into this area and there's 244 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.799 literally a big tree bowed across the road and Kyle's that wasn't there this past 245 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.919 summer. This is barely new. It looks like something has bent this tree 246 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.240 over the road that we have to drive under it. And then there's tree 247 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.480 breaks everywhere. He starts pointing out tree breaks. I'm finding and seeing tree 248 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.720 breaks along this road that we're driving on. Just off the road. We 249 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.840 get to base camp. It's just me and Richard and Kyle for the night 250 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:23.440 because Todd is Jason's ride, right, he has to stay with Jason. 251 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:29.240 Jason staying with him that night because if they call at Calgary and say we've 252 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:30.960 got your bag, he's got to go retrieve it because he's going on this 253 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.840 ten day trip. So they spend the night at Todd's house. So Todd, 254 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.720 Jason, and Ashley are back three hours back in Calgary. It's just 255 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.919 me, Richard, and Kyle. We start setting up camp. I get 256 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:47.120 into the camper, start putting my stuff away. It's just a camper, 257 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:51.080 right, It's nothing spectacular, just a regular camper, decent sized camper. 258 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.600 I had one to myself, Colin his dad, Richard took the other camper, 259 00:16:55.639 --> 00:17:00.600 and we immediately start on hike. Literally put our stuff down, and 260 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.759 he's like, where do you want to go. Let's go check out the 261 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.039 area. And we start walking and again, walking in the woods, We're 262 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:14.559 finding tree breaks, We're finding what looks like footprints, already these big impressions 263 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.359 in this spanga moss. It's hard to explain. I've seen it on the 264 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:21.960 videos that Tied posts on his YouTube channel. I've seen it in Discovering Bigfoot. 265 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.359 If you've seen that documentary, you've seen Jeff Meldrim, you've seen John 266 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.839 Bidrinaugle. They're looking at these prints. Some of them are a year or 267 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:33.559 two old, some even older. And once you break down into this moss 268 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.160 and hit the substrate, if it's heavy enough, it's going to stay there 269 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:37.960 for a while. It's not going to wash away. Like I know, 270 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.839 you're in Tennessee, I'm in North Carolina, you have something in your ground. 271 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.599 Here, it comes one rain, it's gone, right, there's a 272 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.039 print there, it rains, it's gone. Not the case with this moss. 273 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.319 So I'm finding these footprints, and I'm finding them, Richard's finding them, 274 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.559 We're finding them. Over here. Kyle's pointing out a couple of known 275 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.559 prints that he has seen over the last couple of years of being there. 276 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.759 I'm just a little overwhelmed. It's starting to get late, so we get 277 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:06.240 a fire going. We sit around the fire that night. Kyle heats up 278 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.640 our dinner, which is amazing. The food is all organic, it's well 279 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.960 sourced, and it's delicious. Ashley and Todd did a great job with the 280 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:15.039 food. My kudos to them. I gave it to him in person. 281 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.400 I'm giving it to you now on the show. Really good food. Everything 282 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:21.680 tastes better of course when it's cooked over a fire and you're sitting outside. 283 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.680 Anyway, Well, the first night was pretty uneventful. I'm trying to remember 284 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.480 if we heard anything. I don't think we had any activity. Maybe a 285 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.279 couple of wood knocks the first night, but not a whole lot. We 286 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.119 end up going to bed. I don't even think I put a recorder out 287 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.319 that night because I was so exhausted because I'd spent nine hours on a plane 288 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.640 from North Carolina to get to Calgary and then the drives. We get up 289 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.279 the next day, we just go out and start hiking. We go to 290 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:49.359 a different area Tid calls at the Pinner Playground. I can't even describe to 291 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:56.680 you this area, man. There is so many tree structures and some ex 292 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:04.640 formations, tree breaks built off of tree structures. It's just it's amazing, 293 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.880 and it's literally this place in the middle of nowhere. We took the logging 294 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:12.880 road back I don't know, maybe up two or three four miles away from 295 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.079 base camp. And we're just riding along and this area is right off of 296 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:21.759 the road in the middle of nowhere. Again like we're not there's not a 297 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.200 house there, there's not a camping area, there's nothing. And then we 298 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:29.759 see all these tree structures. I took tons of pictures, I took tons 299 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.039 of video. I'll certainly post some of those on that Bigfoot podcast blog. 300 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.279 You can head over to Pandamawarproductions dot com check out the blog there, and 301 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:38.799 I'll post some pictures of this stuff so you guys can see what I'm talking 302 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:44.480 about. But again, with the tree structures and the tree breaks, I'm 303 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.519 very skeptical, like that could be a person, right. But we go 304 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.119 down there and I'm leading the way. I'm going the way that I want 305 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.799 to go, and I step into what looks like a trackway a foot price 306 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.759 and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see what right back after these messages, 307 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.559 they're six to eight feet apart. They're poked down into this moth. 308 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:15.799 Something heavy walked there, and it's clearly to me it looks like footprints leading 309 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:22.440 to one of these big structures that is so elaborate and weaved into the other. 310 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:27.720 Could people do that, Sure, but it's not likely. It's possible, 311 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.599 but not likely that a person did this in the middle of nowhere. 312 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.000 Again, I'm thinking, but Todd have a bunch of people out here putting 313 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.599 this stuff up. But the more I looked, and the more I pointed, 314 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.079 and the more directions I went, I just kept finding more and more. 315 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.160 And this is literally like the first day of hiking. That's pretty much 316 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:47.039 what it was. Every day, honestly, we would go out in the 317 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.200 morning, we'd have breakfast, get coffee, and we set out on a 318 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:53.559 hike. First day, we probably hiked six or eight miles that day. 319 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:00.960 Then Jason's supposed to go up to radium. Jason shows up at base camp. 320 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.559 He did not get his luggage. This dude went out and bought a 321 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.279 new pack, He bought a sleeping bag, he bought some food, he 322 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.640 brought a few things of clothes. And mind you, we're waking up till 323 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:18.240 thirty eight degree temperatures at base camp and this guy's going another three four thousand 324 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.759 feet in elevation up this mount He shows up, he packs up his pack 325 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.079 and we're going to do the Radium hike. He packs his pack. His 326 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.039 pack ended up being about one hundred and ten pounds. This guy's a beast. 327 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.440 So we go out, We carpool out, we drive to the bottom 328 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.720 of the Radium Hike, and we're going to take him halfway up. Basically, 329 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:41.279 that was a beautiful hike. It was a strenuous hike. It was 330 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.359 straight up we're talking twelve to fifteen percent grade maybe more, and some were 331 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:49.160 straight up beautiful hike. So we take Jason up. We stop at a 332 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:53.359 beautiful spot, We have lunch on the river, he fills up his water 333 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.079 bottles, and I've got some cool video I post on the blog for you 334 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.640 guys to take a look at of Jason. We took a selfie, Me 335 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.480 and Kyle and Jason took a selfie together. I got some great video of 336 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.000 him going up the rest of the hike, so you can get an idea 337 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.960 of what this guy's going into. It is straight freaking up, dude. 338 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.119 It's one of those hikes where Jason literally said, you know, I'm gonna 339 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.519 have to hike for five minutes and probably stop and rest for ten minutes because 340 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:19.720 my pack is one hundred and ten pounds. It's going to take me a 341 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:25.200 couple of hours to get to the point where I'm going from here, and 342 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.759 this dude's going up there for seven days. Then he's going to hike down 343 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.960 to a lake and spend a couple of days, then he's going to come 344 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.759 back to base camp. So he's doing a total ten days in the woods. 345 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.759 And he's literally taking cans of food off of his pack because it's so 346 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:42.559 heavy, and we're helping him hide it at the area where we dropped him 347 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.519 off about halfway, so you'd have a few cans of food when he came 348 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.839 down because he was worried about running out of food. There's no water up 349 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.119 there by the way, he has to pack his water in as well to 350 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.680 go to the point where he's going. There is a lake on a lower 351 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.319 shelf from the mountain, so he'll be able to refuel his water at the 352 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.240 lake when he comes back down. This is hardcore shit, dude, Like 353 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.000 I thought I was something for just doing the hikes that we were doing. 354 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:11.519 This guy is a beast. I know he had some experiences because Todd's talked 355 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.279 about it since he came back. I have not talked to Jason, except 356 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.880 for we exchanged a few messages on Instagram and I sent him some of the 357 00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:19.799 video that I had taken of Hi. We're going to get him on the 358 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.640 show and talk about his experiences while he was up there, because he did 359 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.319 have some experiences, not only with the sasquatch, but with a bear, 360 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.200 I do believe, So we'll talk about that at some point. So on 361 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.759 this trip that you're talking about, he had actual experiences. Yes, all 362 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:37.359 right, Yeah. We finish up the Radium hike that day, and then 363 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.640 that night Todd and Ashley were coming into camp. We spent the night with 364 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.319 Todd and Ashley sitting around the fire. We had some experiences, heard some 365 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.799 wood knocks. We ended up taking a night walk and had some really cool 366 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:55.279 experiences on a night walk. Again, if you're this far out in this 367 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.640 remote area and you go off walking into the woods, into the bush, 368 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.559 away from camp, away from the fire, hundreds of yards into the woods 369 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:08.880 with no light whatsoever, it's intimidating. After you've had experiences and heard things 370 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.480 you can't explain that are pulling you into that area. I think everybody was 371 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.559 a little bit nervous. I know, I certainly was. I was a 372 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:19.880 little bit apprehensive about walking out into the woods. I'm not going to lie, 373 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.440 and I know Richard, Kyle's dad can talk about it as well. 374 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.720 He was pretty nervous because this is the first time either one of us has 375 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.960 even been in this area. Everything's new to us, at least Kyle and 376 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.079 Todd and Ashley are. They're able to navigate the trails a little bit because 377 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:37.319 they've been there so many times. Todd's been working in this area four or 378 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:41.319 five years, so he knows it like the back of his hand. But 379 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.559 we're novices at this and it was a little intimidating. We didn't see anything, 380 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:51.799 but we did hear some things, and we got one last clear wood 381 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.160 knock and it was okay, it's time to go. So we got out 382 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.079 of there and went back to camp and ended up wrapping it up for the 383 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:03.119 evening. Not only did I hear whoops, we had some whoops while we 384 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:08.599 were sitting around campfire that I can't explain that we're very ape like what people 385 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:15.720 would describe as a sasquatch whoop. We heard the talking that are captured wood 386 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:22.559 knocks. And the next day after that we took a step back on like 387 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.319 the third day, away from the Bigfoot stuff. There's a place there. 388 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:29.160 I won't give away the name because it would give people an area, but 389 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:33.480 there's an area there where there's an overlook and some waterfalls and it's just really 390 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.960 beautiful scenery. We can go to walk in the river. So we did 391 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.000 that. We took the e bikes out. He has three e bikes up 392 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.759 there, and if you've never ridden an e bike, those things are fricking 393 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:48.920 amazing. These things are phenomenal. Had a blast on the e bikes. 394 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.400 But we took that out to this area. And as we're leaving, this 395 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:57.279 is like eleven o'clock in the morning, there's wood knocks bam, just clear 396 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:02.119 as day, probably three four hundred yards away from us. I do a 397 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:07.000 whoop and get a wood knock in return. Four seconds later, I do 398 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.680 a whoop. Vam would knock. So I go set up a recorder. 399 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:12.720 I have this audio because I set up the recorder and we left for four 400 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.640 or five hours on our little expedition. I haven't went through that audio yet, 401 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.240 so we'll see what's on there. If we got anything while I was 402 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.920 gone, I don't know, but we're getting wood knocks in the middle of 403 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.319 the day, and it seems to be interacting. Whatever it is seems to 404 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.880 be interacting with me. When I'm calling back after these knocks, I'm getting 405 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.359 a response, So I'm a little bit excited about that. I mean, 406 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.319 we were really torn about whether we could we should leave base camp or stay 407 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.640 there and try to go towards it, but it is the middle of the 408 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.400 day. Didn't really figure that we would end up seeing anything, so we 409 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.799 ended up going on with our plans, and then that night. One of 410 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.839 the most interesting things happens. I think that night is when we heard some 411 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:57.160 whoops. Todd and Ashley didn't stay in base camp that night. They went 412 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:03.440 up to an area called I guess I could say Strawberry the Mountain. They 413 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.519 were camping in the back of their truck that night, so they're, I 414 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.799 don't know, a couple of miles away. We heard some whoops, we 415 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.799 heard some interesting things, we heard some wood knocks, and then the activity 416 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:18.480 dies down and that's when we started seeing UFOs. I know people are probably 417 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.880 going to shake their head, but we had the first couple of nights we 418 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.160 had a lot of cloud cover, but this night was crystal clear. It 419 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.440 was cold as shit, and all the clouds were gone. The sky was 420 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:33.200 beautiful. We could even see a little bit of the Aurora borealis from where 421 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.160 we were, not much, but you could tell it was there. But 422 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:41.599 everything else was crystal clear. And we start seeing these lights, I don't 423 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:48.000 really know how else to describe it, moving rapidly across the sky in different 424 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:52.880 directions. We could see every thirty minutes or so, we might see a 425 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:57.839 commercial airliner that maybe going from Alberta to Calgary fly over US at about thirty 426 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:03.559 six thousand feet that you see the two lights flashing. It's clearly an airliner. 427 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.960 These things were probably at eighty ninety thousand feet. They were way above 428 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:15.480 anything there. There were multiple ones at certain times flying they looked like they 429 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.119 were going to intersect. They could have been one hundred miles away from each 430 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.480 other, but to the naked eye, it looked like they were going to 431 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.519 hit each other. So they're flying back and forth towards each other. I 432 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:30.119 watched one in binoculars fly straight up, stop and make an immediate left turn 433 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.279 at a ninety degree angle at I'm estimating probably two to three thousand miles per 434 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.960 hour. It was one of the most interesting things I've ever seen in my 435 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.920 life. We're watching these things in the sky. There was probably at one 436 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.279 point there was eight or ten at the same time in this one general area 437 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.680 that we're watching. Now, who knows what's going on behind us on the 438 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.559 other side. We're just focused on this area because they're concentrated. There eight 439 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.720 or ten of them. We get a meteorite that comes over our heads and 440 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:03.200 explodes into these beautiful colors. We saw probably five or six shooting stars that 441 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.960 night. It was the craziest night I've ever had in the sky. I've 442 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.160 seen a lot of crazy shit in my day, and I've seen some weird 443 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.640 things over the course of years, but cumulatively, to have all of that 444 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:18.160 happen within the course of just two or three hours was phenop really crazy stuff, 445 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.759 really interesting. We watched these things, like I said, for a 446 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.799 couple hours with binoculars, just big balls of light that we couldn't make out 447 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:27.440 anything. That were too far away to see any kind of shapes. But 448 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:33.000 these things were just big, like glowing blue lights, traveling eight to ten 449 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.839 thousand miles an hour in all kinds of directions. It was really strange. 450 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:42.160 The next night, Todd and Ashley were back in base camp and we set 451 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:48.440 up again. We had some really interesting experiences wood knocks. Didn't hear any 452 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.039 whoops or anything, just mostly wood knocks. That was pretty much it for 453 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.559 that evening. Then more hikes. Everywhere we went. We were finding tree 454 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:03.400 breaks, we were finding foot prance, weird structures, just weird stuff. 455 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.759 Towards the end of I think it was probably the day before I left, 456 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.960 or maybe the Yeah, a couple of days before I left, or the 457 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.279 day before I left, we decided to just go on an afternoon height. 458 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.039 We'd all been out that evening, we were coming back to camp to get 459 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.880 ready to do dinner and whatnot. We hadn't been to a certain area near 460 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.160 base camp, and I was like, why don't we go over there, 461 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.839 and todds, let's take a walk. So grab the guns and we just 462 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.799 go in this direction. We go back. We find this beautiful area to 463 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.160 watch the sunset. We just sit back and we just meditate, just chill, 464 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.319 listen to the sounds and we meditate. Watch the sun go down. 465 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.839 It was beautiful. We get up, we go in a different direction to 466 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.480 go back than the way we came. I was like what's over there to's 467 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.200 I've never really been that way. Let's go that way. Okay, so 468 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:55.440 we go that way, dude, I saw the most amazing thing I think 469 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.880 I've ever seen on that hight. Now there's some old trees out there. 470 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.480 Now, there's a lot of forest tree that's been going on. There's a 471 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:06.319 lot of down trees. There's a lot of logging. But there's a line 472 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.759 there that backs up to a national forest where there's no logging back there, 473 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.519 so you've got some old growth. These Douglas fir trees are enormous. I 474 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.440 can't even describe to you how big and beautiful these trees are. Some of 475 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.880 them are probably three hundred years old. We help across some of those tides, 476 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.839 like that's one of the oldest trees I've ever seen out here. It's 477 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.559 amazing. We're just in awe of the trees. And then we come upon 478 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.960 this big, huge, Douglas fir tree. I was immediately drawn to it, 479 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.559 just because I saw the base of the tree and how big around it 480 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.559 was. It's as big as the hood on my Mini Cooper. It's huge. 481 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:48.519 But that wasn't the interesting part. There are three huge trees propped up 482 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.759 on to the side of this tree. There's two on one side that come 483 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.079 together at the top and the teepee formation, and the tops of these trees 484 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.240 are within two to three inches of each other at the top, and then 485 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:06.400 the bottoms are down stuck into the ground. There's no root bottom that we 486 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.440 could see. These trees were placed there. They're probably I could estimate, 487 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.279 I'm horrible at this. I would say anywhere from twelve to eighteen hundred pounds 488 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.119 each of these trees is. And there's another one on the backside, so 489 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.039 there's three of these trees. So we're walking around in awe of it, 490 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.880 and I'm like, how in the hell did these trees get put up there? 491 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:34.160 And when we started looking really closely at the trees, you could see 492 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.200 a water line where it looked like one of them had been laying on the 493 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.319 ground. At least one of them had been laying on the ground, because 494 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.920 one side is perfectly smooth and together, and then the top side of the 495 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.880 tree at the bottom, the way it's propped up, the top side is 496 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.200 there's like a water line like it's just been laying on the ground for an 497 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:58.319 extended amount of time. So I am really baffled at this point, and 498 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.880 there's tree breaks by the way, there's a couple of tree breaks on either 499 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.240 side, like probably four to six inch trees that are broken, maybe ten 500 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.440 twelve feet up, and they're pointing in a certain direction. I don't even 501 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.240 know why, but Todd's talking about it. We're talking about it. He's 502 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.680 like asking me what I think. And he pulls out his compass and he 503 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:21.599 puts it on the tree because it looked like the trees were pointing in certain 504 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:27.279 directions. He puts his compass on the first tree. It's pointing exactly and 505 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.079 I'm not talking one degree off. I'm not talking two degrees half a degree. 506 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:36.200 It's pointing directly due north. He walks over to the other tree, 507 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:43.079 puts his compass on the tree. It's pointing directly due south. The tree 508 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.039 break is like southeast, and the other tree, they're the third one on 509 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.359 the other side. Now mind you, it's on the back side of where 510 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.480 these two come together. But if you could see through the tree, if 511 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:55.720 this is making any sense, the third one that's on the other side, 512 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:02.000 the apex of that tree lines up exactly with the points of the other two 513 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:07.160 trees that are propped up on the side of the big tree that are also 514 00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:13.679 within probably I would say two maximum six inches that separated the tops of all 515 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.519 the trees. I've got video of it. I took a lot of pictures 516 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.519 of it. Todd he did a video. I don't think he's put it 517 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.039 out on his YouTube channel yet. He's talked about it in one of his 518 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.480 lives already. But we're all standing there with the mouths open. Because I've 519 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.760 never seen anything like this, I don't know how to explain it. Some 520 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.920 people would say, you saw a big tree and three trees fell on it, 521 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.000 right, it's a forest, and I would normally say that I'm very 522 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:43.360 Okham's razor would tell you trees fall in the forest, they land on other 523 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:49.440 trees. But when you put all of that stuff together cumulatively and see how 524 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.880 they're propped up there, the water line on the tree was definitive. The 525 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:58.480 other ones were questionable, whether they were laying on the ground at some point 526 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.119 or not. But if one of those trees was laying on the ground, 527 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:06.400 that means something or somebody had to pick them up and put them in that 528 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.320 position off the ground. Because there's no root balls there. They didn't follow 529 00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.280 that one, So I have no explanation for that. And then you put 530 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.639 in the fact that one's pointing directly due north and the other one's pointing exactly 531 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.440 due south. I don't know. Man, the first time that Todd had 532 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.639 ever seen that particular structure, Oh yeah, he was completely an utter shock. 533 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:28.360 It was clear was he used to that area? Had he been there 534 00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.920 before? And I was wondering if he had any idea how new it was. 535 00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:36.559 He had not been through that area. He estimated we were all estimating 536 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.880 looking at the way the trees were, the condition the trees that were propped 537 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:43.519 up were. These trees could have been anywhere from twenty five to thirty years 538 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.719 old when they had been placed there, so it could have been there for 539 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.199 a long time. And no, that was not an area that he normally 540 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.519 goes to. Like I said, even the trail that we took to get 541 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.639 to the first area was not a way that they normally go because they don't 542 00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.239 tend to go closer to the National forest area that we were next to. 543 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:07.119 We were literally on the cut line between where the logging area where logging is 544 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.559 permitted and where it's not, and we crossed that line of demarcation and went 545 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.440 into this area, so it was not an area that he was familiar with. 546 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.679 I pointed to the area that I wanted to go. He didn't lead 547 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:22.760 us there. It was me leading us in that direction. So it wasn't 548 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.280 like a planned thing. He didn't say, oh, let's go over here. 549 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.639 And no, it was not one of those because that's my first thought. 550 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.000 Okay, he was just leading me here. But I could tell by 551 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.920 the way that we pointed it out. Richard and I were like the first 552 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.199 two people to see it and said we went that direction to look at the 553 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.800 tree, and then we found those trees and then the tree breaks. I 554 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.079 think initially Richard saw a tree break and that's what pulled him in direction, 555 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.360 and then we brought everybody over to it. So it wasn't even Todd or 556 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.400 Kyle or Ashley that brought us into that area. It was me and Richard, 557 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.480 the two people that had certainly never been there before. And I could 558 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.239 tell. I'm a pretty good judge of character. I could tell if somebody 559 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.280 had seen something before, this was completely new. He was baffled by what 560 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.840 we were seeing, and we kept walking around and finding more. We'd find 561 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.599 more tree breaks. We spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes just in this area, 562 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.920 and then we eventually hiked back out and made it back to base camp. 563 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:19.119 Does this open the whole new can of worms as far as WU is 564 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.199 considered in the Big Boot community. First of all, you would have to 565 00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.599 be able to somehow prove that it was done by sasquatch. Not going to 566 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:30.039 happen, I'm sure. But the fact that one was pointed due north and 567 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:35.480 the other due south, and your words, not a single degree off to 568 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.480 either side. How does that happen if it was done by sasquatch? Again, 569 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:45.599 we'll never know. I'm sure they don't have instruments that can tell them 570 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.440 or do that. What does that mean? How does that happen? That's 571 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.039 amazing to me. And we can certainly get into the WU part of it, 572 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.000 because I talked about that with you and on the show before. Tight 573 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.840 is into that sort of mind speaks, spiritual kind of connection. When Todd 574 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.480 asked her about the tree, he's Ashley, what are you getting from this 575 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.119 tree in this situation? And she immediately with hesitation, says, I feel 576 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.559 like they are paying homage to this tree because it is the oldest tree in 577 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.480 this forest. It's still alive. By the way, this tree's probably four 578 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.199 hundred, four hundred and twenty five years old. So she goes to that 579 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.400 place where she feels like the Sasquatch are doing this for a reason, they're 580 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.599 paying homage. She even went to the point where she was saying she felt 581 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:34.559 like maybe the Sasquatch had placed those trees there to say, if there's logging 582 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.360 going on, don't take this tree to draw some sort of attention to it. 583 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.559 It certainly drew our attention when we saw it. I don't know. 584 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.960 I don't necessarily subscribe to that. I don't get into that. I certainly 585 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.920 tried. I gave it a valiant effort. I did some meditation while I 586 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:51.920 was out there. I tried to cleanse and tried to ground. I tried 587 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.679 to get as close to nature as I possibly could, because I do think 588 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.039 that's important, whether you're talking about Woo and Bigfoot or not, just being 589 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.320 a part of nature. I try to do that here on our property as 590 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.480 much as I can, and connect to that and whatever capacity I can wherever 591 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.679 I go. Todd and Ashley are certainly more into that. You'll hear it 592 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.639 in the audio, Todd talks about that sort of aspect of his research. 593 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.760 I ask him point blank in the audio that I posted, you're a different 594 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:21.000 Todd than the Todd I talked to two years ago for the first time. 595 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.719 And I'm a different Todd than I was just a few months ago. He's 596 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:30.519 taking this spiritual journey with Sasquatch and this connection. Again, I didn't feel 597 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.400 that I can't speak to that for myself. That is a little out there 598 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.519 for me. But if that's the way that they're approaching their research and they 599 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.320 feel like they have this connection, who am I to say they're wrong? 600 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.559 But you're right. It does open up a whole can of worms with if 601 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.000 it's sasquatch, how do they do it? But I didn't even go to 602 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.239 if it's Sasquatch. I just tried to approach it, and we do. 603 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.920 We break it down in the video that Todd took while we were out there, 604 00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.760 and I think it may be on some of the video that I took. 605 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.920 If it were a person a, it would not be one person. 606 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.719 It would be a group of people with mechanical instruments to lift these trees off 607 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.679 the ground out of the position they were in and to position them in the 608 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:15.239 position that they were leaning up against this tree on three sides, and stay 609 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.960 tuned for more Sasquatch oat to see. We'll be right back after these messages. 610 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.199 How is that possible? And why would they do it? It would 611 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:29.480 take come along. You would have to have some mechanics. I don't know 612 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.559 if you wouldn't have to have some kind of a I don't know, excavator 613 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:36.400 or something with an arm long enough to pick this tree up. Because we're 614 00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:43.519 talking these trees are sixty feet long and they're twelve hundred and fifteen hundred pounds. 615 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.679 You could probably take twenty men out there and lift it up off the 616 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.280 ground, you know, at waist high. But how do you get it 617 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.440 to point up eighty feet into this tree? I don't know how you would 618 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.840 do that. Maybe somebody can watch the video and tell me how a person 619 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.480 or a group of people could do that. I'm certainly willing to listen. 620 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.159 I'm not saying it with sasquatch, but I'm saying it's weird, and I 621 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:09.280 don't know any other explanation other than the one that I was presented by Todd 622 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:15.760 and Ashley and saying does it look like people did this. No, it 623 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.599 doesn't not in that area. There's nothing out there. If you're not out 624 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.480 there to log trees, you're not out there putting up against other trees. 625 00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.280 It's just not happening. I ask. I'm assumming that y'all didn't see any 626 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.599 signs of heavy equipment ever been out there, or we could barely walk in 627 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.840 the area because of the dead fall that was around that area. There's a 628 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.199 ton of dead fall out there. We couldn't ride a four wheeler back there. 629 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.360 You couldn't ride a bike back there. Like I said, it's difficult 630 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.239 to traverse when you're walking in hiking boots. The heavy equipment would have crushed 631 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.440 anything that it went over. I don't know, man, it's just it's 632 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.679 tough. That was the end of the experience. Really. We didn't really 633 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.599 hear anything that night. I didn't really experience anything outside of that. I 634 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.800 walked out of the woods that day scratching my head, really wondering what I 635 00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.280 had just experienced. I don't know. It was cool, man, but 636 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.360 it's definitely left me scratching my head. Now, you and I both have 637 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.079 interviewed people, and I know what's happened to me, and I'm sure it's 638 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.159 happened to you. We've talked to people that have talked about this kind of 639 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:21.679 a sixth sense, this feeling that you get, like a feeling of dread, 640 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.719 like something's watching you. I have felt it in the woods. I'm 641 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.320 sure you have felt it in the wood. Did you ever feel anything like 642 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.519 that the six day sixth not you were out there, did you ever feel 643 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:39.000 like you were being watched or that you weren't alone? Yes, multiple times 644 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.960 during the experience, when we were sitting around the fire and when the wood 645 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.280 knocks would happen, what sounded like talking and the whoops that were coming from 646 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.199 different directions, I felt that. And particularly on the night walk that we 647 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.320 took, I felt most exposed and I did feel the presence of something. 648 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.199 I don't know what it was. Could have been a big cat, it 649 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.639 could have been a bear, could have been anything in the woods. But 650 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:06.840 Todd was convinced, Ashley was convinced that we were interacting with a sasquatch. 651 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.840 I'll be honest with you, I don't know any big cats or any bears 652 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.679 that can pick up a rock or a stick and make the knock sounds that 653 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.840 we were hearing and interacting with. We went out in the middle of the 654 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.559 woods and sat down. Now, I had a hard time sitting down. 655 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.719 I'm not gonna lie. I mean, it really took me a few moments 656 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.760 to get my feet and legs to say, Okay, I'm going to come 657 00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.880 out from under my ass and I'm gonna sit here in the dark, in 658 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.159 the middle of the woods with something two three hundred yards away knocking on trees 659 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:42.599 and having that feeling of we're not alone. That's a tough place to be 660 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.000 if you've never been in that situation. So it took a lot for me 661 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:50.239 to do that. And then eventually, after we sat there for I don't 662 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.440 know ten to fifteen minutes, it subsided and it went away. Then farther 663 00:43:54.559 --> 00:44:00.440 down in a different area I know, I'd estimate three four hundred yards away, 664 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:06.719 we got this Wow, this really loud, crisp clear wood knock, 665 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.480 and almost collectively we're all just like, okay, I think that met goodbye, 666 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.480 it's time to go, and we just as a collective group just stood 667 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.960 up and made our way back to base camp. But yeah, that feeling 668 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.039 is very difficult. It wasn't really dread. For me, it was more 669 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:28.360 of an uneasy. I was shaking uncontrollably at certain points. I'm afraid to 670 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.960 admit Richard had the same experience. Obviously, I won't put words in Richard's 671 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.119 mouth. I'll let him talk about that when he comes on the show, 672 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.599 but he and I both talked about it afterwards in the days that followed about 673 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:44.400 justice. I think it was more adrenaline probably than fear, because I didn't 674 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.000 really feel afraid. It was just this uncontrollable shaking that I was going through, 675 00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.400 and it was cold outside, but I was dressed for I don't know. 676 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:57.000 Once that feeling left, I wasn't shaking anymore and I was okay. 677 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.679 I definitely think we were interacting with something. I felt that the course of 678 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.719 several times during the expedition, and unlike what I've said before, I know 679 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.119 I've said it to Kyle, I've said it to Logan and other people that 680 00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.360 have been out there. Is it possible that Todd's got people in the woods 681 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.599 doing wood knocks and whoops and all the things that you guys are experiencing. 682 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:22.360 I can tell you now from personal experience, there is no fucking way on 683 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.679 earth that there was another person out there doing what we were hearing in that 684 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.880 area, we would have heard them come in. You cannot get in there 685 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:36.320 unless they hiked for two weeks through the six or eight hundred or one thousand 686 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.159 acres on the other side of us to get to that point, to be 687 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.559 three four hundred yards away and know exactly when to do what they were doing. 688 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.679 It's not possible. So we were interacting with something in the woods that 689 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.639 I can't explain now to that point, I'm sure a lot of people are 690 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:59.199 going to question because it opped into my head. This Jason guy. I 691 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.400 mean, y'all took it him up to do his own hike and going out 692 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.119 there and do his own thing. There's people going to question, was he 693 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.960 in Cahoot. That's the first thing that I said. I even said it 694 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.719 to Todd and Kyle. When I first saw Jason, I thought, Oh, 695 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.760 how convenient. I'm out here at base camp and Jason just happens to 696 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.400 be going in the woods for ten days by himself, wasn't him? If 697 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:31.519 you could see geographically where Jason was versus where we were, there is absolutely, 698 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.559 hands down, no way, shape, form, or fashion that he 699 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.880 could have possibly done any of the things that we were hearing in the area 700 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.719 that we were hearing. It was the complete opposite side of where he took 701 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:51.119 the hike, and frankly, he's got video of himself up on the mountain 702 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.159 at the same time these things were going on. Even if there was a 703 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:57.840 question about his character, which hands down, there's not. Jason is one 704 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.119 of the most stand up guys that I've ever met. He was not out 705 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.280 there for anything to do with Todd. It was his own journey that he 706 00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.360 was on. Again, like I said, he's got video, He's already 707 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.840 posted some of it on his Instagram page of him literally up at the top 708 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.119 of radium showing where he's camping each night and what's going on up there. 709 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.960 Hands down, absolutely no way, shape, form, or fashion that it 710 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.880 was Jason. Did you guys experience anything being thrown at you at all? 711 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.519 I did not talk about that because it wasn't definitive to me. But on 712 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.239 two different nights, on two different occasions, we heard what sounded like pine 713 00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:40.760 cones kitting the camper behind us, and I don't mention it because I couldn't 714 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.559 tell if it was rocks. I've got it recorded, It's on audio, 715 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.159 it's clearly hitting the camper multiple times. While we're having these other experiences. 716 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.920 We're having wood knocks, we're having the whoop sounds, we're hearing the talking. 717 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.079 All the stuff's going on. But we couldn't find the pine cones. 718 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.119 Could it have been rocks, Sure, there were rocks all in that area. 719 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:05.719 I didn't see it and I couldn't find what it was, so I 720 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.440 didn't really talk about it. But yes, at least two different nights we 721 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.480 had that, but it was only those two nights, and I did wake 722 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.039 up at one point. Again, I haven't listened to the audio, so 723 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.679 I didn't really want to mention it. But I was awakened at I think 724 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.559 it was three thirty eight. I literally looked at my phone and committed its 725 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.119 memory. It was like three thirty eight in the morning. Something was either 726 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:30.199 tapping on the window of my camper or something was throwing something at the side 727 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.320 of the camper, and it woke me up. And I'm a pretty heavy 728 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.840 sleeper, and I had a little sound machine going on my phone, and 729 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.880 it woke me up over that, and I heard what sounded like shuffling outside 730 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.440 of the camper. When I looked out there was no movement. I couldn't 731 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:51.039 see anything, but something was definitely going on outside. Again, I don't 732 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.320 know it could have been a squirrel dropping nuts on top of the camper. 733 00:48:54.239 --> 00:49:00.800 Until I go through the audio and actually hear, hopefully some confirmation what I 734 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:05.119 heard. I don't really want to get too deep into the weeds on that, 735 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.000 but that's another experience that I had that I really can't explain because it's 736 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.679 rare that I get woken up by a sound. You wake up, you 737 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:15.079 got to go to the bathroom, whatever. But it startled me awake because 738 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.440 it was that loud. It was like a like something smacked to the side 739 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.480 of the camper. Again, it could have been tapping, it could have 740 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.800 been thrown. And then I heard what sounded like shuffling outside to the point 741 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:30.880 where I was a little alarmed and I thought, ah, what is that. 742 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.880 So hopefully I captured that on audio and maybe I'll have a little bit 743 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.239 more of a definitive answer as to what that could have been. But without 744 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:44.599 seeing it, it's difficult or impossible really to say. I'm glad that you 745 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.320 brought that up, because it leads to something that I've talked about recently. 746 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:53.280 When you woke up to this possible something hitting the trailer and scuff scurrying around 747 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:59.559 outside. How did you feel Did you have the energy to get up? 748 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.079 Dude? Did you get up and go investigate? Just how did you feel? 749 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.760 Yeah? The first thing I thought was what the fuck was that? 750 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.239 Who's tapping on the trailer? The second thing I did was get up and 751 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:15.400 look out the window. So you were able to get up, yes, 752 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:21.519 But the problem is the window that was behind me has a cover on it 753 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.599 and I couldn't look out directly out that window, so I had to look 754 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.679 out both side windows and there was no movement. The camper next to me 755 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.559 was h Kyle and Richard were There was no lights, there was no movement, 756 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.079 nothing. I didn't hear the shuffling anymore. When I did look out 757 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.360 the back, I saw nothing, But I did get up and look. 758 00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:45.920 That's something I've talked about here recently. I talked about it with Doug Hatchak 759 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.920 when I went on as a guest on his show. It's happened to me 760 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:55.400 several times out on expeditions camping, waking up, something waking you up outside 761 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:01.159 of your tent or outside of the camper, and me knowing that I'm there 762 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:05.880 to gather evidence, I'm there to see something, but just not having the 763 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.400 energy or the drive to get up and go check talk something stopping you. 764 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.280 So that was my thinking by asking that. Yeah, I was shocked, 765 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.400 actually, but I had an adrenaline rush, like I said, because it 766 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:22.000 was a start that woke me up, and I was like, I had 767 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.920 that minute or what the hell was that? Then it kicked in. I 768 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:30.320 need to look right because at that point we were deep enough into the expedition 769 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:35.360 that Richard had his experience, had gotten up in the middle of the night 770 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.480 to go out and take a whiz next to the camper. He saw a 771 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:43.360 shadow standing over beside him. And I actually have the audio. If you 772 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.280 want me to, I'll just I played and let everybody hear Richard talk about 773 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.679 it in his own words, and then we can follow up if you want 774 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.360 to do that. Yeah, let's do that. So Richard, you have 775 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.559 an experience while you were out here, Why don't you tell us what happened? 776 00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.639 Man? So I got really early in the morning, it was cold 777 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:06.000 out, and I came out here to use the bathroom, and I was 778 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:12.679 right about here and I noticed really huge black what I thought was a shadow 779 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:19.320 just behind that little tree there, so I kept moving and looking to see 780 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:23.079 if it would move, and it wouldn't move, so I decided to walk 781 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:30.400 and I kept looking and I got out way the crop looking looking down, 782 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:35.679 and it wasn't moving. So I turned I looked back at the camper, 783 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.760 and then I looked back and it was still there, and my first thought 784 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:44.320 was it was a bear. While I walked closer because I wanted to try 785 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.280 and get it to move, but it wouldn't move, so I didn't feel 786 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:52.679 comfortable going any further, so I just turned around and walked away. And 787 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:59.400 then later I woke Kyle up and we came out and I told him just 788 00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.840 what hot and here he came down over here, and I thought the trail 789 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:09.679 was real life. He goes off and came over this way and Kyle got 790 00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:16.840 in that spot walked over this way and I was like right here, and 791 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:21.280 he said, there's a big hang up here, and I said there was 792 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.480 hook up from this tree over here. It was huge, and I was 793 00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:30.920 standing up there. I don't think it was the bear, and from stand 794 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.159 out there and said, what he's that and he's I don't know him, 795 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:42.239 but it's pretty solid and you can almost feel so he stood in it and 796 00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:46.639 then he went like this, right in this impression, it's really hard compared 797 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.360 to the rest of it. And he went like this to take another step, 798 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.159 and I was like, right there, that was about the height of 799 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:58.239 the top of his head. Now, this is a pretty deep pull for 800 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.480 me to see it up there and see him. So whatever it was came 801 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.760 out from there, but it was definitely a really huge black spot that took 802 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.920 up a very tall space. You could see the video of Richard talking and 803 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:19.679 I'll post this over on that Bigfoot podcast blog so everybody can see it. 804 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.599 It's pretty interesting. Richard is a stand up guy. I know you guys 805 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.519 don't know him. I spent seven days with him. He assaulted the Earth 806 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.239 kind of guy. He's not going to make up stories while he's out there. 807 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.480 He goes on a little bit about his description of this thing. But 808 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:36.639 he didn't get a good look at her. He didn't see a face. 809 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.880 And he struggled with this for the rest of the trip because he didn't get 810 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.960 a good look at whatever it was. It really didn't move, so he 811 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.440 could take a really good gander and say, this is what I saw, 812 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.440 But when you run through the gamut of things, if this were a brown 813 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.039 bear, Richard probably wouldn't be telling this story, right. That's just the 814 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.039 way of the world out there. It's about a six to seven hundred pounds 815 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.840 mail brown bear that hangs around in this area that we were very careful about. 816 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:05.599 We didn't see throughout the course of the week, but he's been seeing 817 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.320 on other expeditions. We know he's there. I don't know what Richard saw, 818 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.480 but I don't think what Richard saw was a bear that night where shadows 819 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.000 playing trick on him. He would say, no, he was pretty definitive 820 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.960 that something was there. He looked back, he made sure, he double 821 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.280 checked, and he got close and probably within fifteen to twenty feet of whatever 822 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.840 this was. Something was there the area that he's describing and he's talking about, 823 00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.480 I went and stood in that area. There are impressions in that hole 824 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:37.760 that are very much like footprints, and they're spaced enough apart where if you 825 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.760 look exactly where those footprints are, your feet would be positioned. You have 826 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.599 a perfect vantage point to see where Richard was standing in our base camp. 827 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.760 I don't know. I was a little taken aback. By that, I 828 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.480 mean it was definitely something that shook him up. Like I said, he 829 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:55.039 struggled with it for the rest of the week. Was you know, he 830 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.000 felt like he had a siding, but he wasn't sure. I think that's 831 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.239 a whole lot of course, and not seeing anything at all, which is 832 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.800 the case for me. I didn't see anything at all, so I didn't 833 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.079 have that battle going back and forth. But I don't know, it's pretty 834 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.519 interesting that he had that experience in conjunction with all the other stuff that was 835 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.920 going on around camp. Yeah, it definitely is. Now, were you 836 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:22.960 guys armed? Were you allowed to carry? The laws in Canada are pretty 837 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.119 cut and dry when it comes to guns. But I'll say this, we 838 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.599 never went outside base camp without a couple of weapons. There was a forty 839 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.480 five seventy in base camp, and there was a shotgun with slugs and buckshot 840 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.880 in base camp that always went with whomever was on the expedition. And I 841 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.199 may or may not have carried one of those weapons. My lawyer said to 842 00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.039 say that was a joke. May or may not have been carrying some of 843 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:51.599 those weapons on one or more of the hikes that we were on because it 844 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:53.039 is bear country man. There's a lot of things out there that can kill 845 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.880 you, and we weren't taking any chances. We never left camp without bear 846 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.559 spray and some sort of a weapon, had knives. On a worst case 847 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:07.079 scenario, we can stab it in the eyeball. Now, what about smells? 848 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.760 Did you smell anything that infamous rotten, nasty smell that sometimes gets attributed 849 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:20.079 Absolutely no smells. Now, okay, we did have apples taken. I 850 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:23.800 didn't mention that. We did put apples up at the gifting spot just outside 851 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.920 of camp on two different occasions. We did have apples taken. Some of 852 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.360 them were eaten by clearly birds and squirrels and things like that, but some 853 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:38.639 of them were completely gone. We did experience one of the apples being taken 854 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:45.320 and there were rocks moved off of a stump. There was a couple of 855 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:49.079 rocks that had been placed there. One was like a small blue rock. 856 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.920 I've got video of this and I took some photos as well. It was 857 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.760 towards the end of the I think it was the night before we left the 858 00:57:54.840 --> 00:58:00.880 expedition. We went up to check the apples. Apples were taken from fourteen 859 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.280 feet off the tree, I don't know if I saw it or Ashley saw 860 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.440 it. One of us said who moved the rock? Because we all took 861 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.760 mental notes of where everything was right. There's a couple of gifting stumps around 862 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.119 there where people have put rocks and other things. I put rocks out there 863 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:21.960 on our apples and those were moved. We can't really explain what happened, 864 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:27.559 but those were moved from the apples and this rock particularly, there was a 865 00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.000 bigger rock with a smaller blue rock that really stuck out. That blue rock 866 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:35.920 was taken off of that rock and they were rearranged on the stump next to 867 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.599 where the apples were taken. I can't explain that. I don't know what 868 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.679 did it. It happened. And Todd had a siding. Todd and Nashley 869 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.519 had a siding when they were out by themselves during the day. I took 870 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:51.119 some video of Todd recreating that siding. I'll post that at some point in 871 00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.679 time for you guys to take a look at as well. But they were 872 00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:59.840 at a really strange structure that they found, maybe a couple of miles away 873 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.679 from base camp. They were out there during the day, had an experience 874 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:07.159 and an interaction with a sasquatch that walked up and did a couple of tree 875 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.840 knocks in front of him and disappeared into the bush. Todd tells that story 876 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.559 much better, Like I said, I've got it his entire recreation in the 877 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:16.960 area, so you can see the structure, you can see the area, 878 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:22.679 and you can see Todd recreating his and Ashley's experience that they had with the 879 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.400 sasquatch. He can do it much better than me. But that's pretty much 880 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:30.960 it in a nutshell now. He they said he saw one actually hit the 881 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.920 tree. Yes, he watched it knocked the tree. Yes, couldn't tell 882 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:37.239 what it had in its hand. He assumed that it was a rock, 883 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.679 may not have had anything in its hand. But again he talks about it 884 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.280 in the video. We'll post that audio and or the video so you guys 885 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.440 can take a look at it and get it directly from Todd. But yes, 886 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:52.719 he and Ashley said they had that experience and it walked up and hit 887 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.920 the tree twice like bail And stay tuned for more sasquatch ott to see. 888 00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:02.960 We'll be right back after these messages. And of course you aren't with him. 889 01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.719 I was not, and I just left that there. Yeah, I 890 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.320 know, man, I know what people might think. And here's the thing. 891 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:19.639 I have struggled so much after this expedition because I went into it with 892 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.480 a very open mind. I tried to put myself in the best place I 893 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:23.840 could. You and I talked about it. I even said it to Kyle, 894 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.800 and then while I was there, I told Todd I literally came into 895 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.199 that experience thinking I was going to be hoaxed. I really thought that everything 896 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:35.360 that happened to me was going to be a hoax. And the second I 897 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.719 arrived at base camp, I had to reevaluate and I had to spend that 898 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:44.760 first night really considering the fact that if something happens out here, I have 899 01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.559 to approach it with an open mind, just like I would being skeptical about 900 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.960 any other evidence or whatever the case may be. I have to be open 901 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.360 to the fact that something might happen. I might have a siding, I 902 01:00:54.400 --> 01:01:00.199 might have an experience that's real, and I can't just automatically dismiss it as 903 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:05.199 a hoax because it's very likely it's not. Because of the remote area we're 904 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:08.280 in, there's nobody else out here to perpetrate a hoax. It's just not 905 01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:13.679 possible, right. I had to really erase that out of my mind and 906 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.000 recalibrate and say, Okay, I'm going to do the very best I can 907 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:22.000 to approach this from a very open minded perspective and just say, I'm going 908 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.719 to go into this with no expectations one way or the other, whatever happens. 909 01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.440 I'm going to evaluate the experiences I have in real time as they happen 910 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:34.360 and just approach it that way. So that's what I did, and every 911 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.280 single time I did that, I had experiences that I can't explain. I 912 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:43.960 wasn't hoaxed. There wasn't people out there beating on trees. There were people 913 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.920 out there yelling in the woods. I don't think people were out there doing 914 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.920 these elaborate tree structures that I saw. Now, the tree breaks are another 915 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.599 thing. Kyle and I had some arguments about that, and I even talked 916 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.159 to Todd about it, Like these trees, tree breaks can be done by 917 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.559 people. Some of them at least could be done by people. Right if 918 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.519 they're right there on the way into base camp, you're bringing people in for 919 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.440 expeditions, you're driving in, and you can see tree breaks automatically. Oh 920 01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.280 look, at that tree break. Oh, look at that tree break. 921 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.679 Now? Could they be regular deadfall? Could they be snowload? Could it 922 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.079 happen naturally? Sure? I did see a lot of tree breaks that I 923 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.199 can't explain, and the way that they're broken. I actually posted a video 924 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:31.199 on Facebook, I think put on Instagram of me doing a demonstration of breaking 925 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.199 a tree that's probably two and a half inches round. I made it look 926 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.280 very similar to the tree breaks that we were finding, but not exact. 927 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:43.320 And that's the thing about a lot of these tree breaks is they are very 928 01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:49.239 specifically done, or at least it appears that way. All of the material 929 01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:52.760 on the back side of the break is still intact. It's what they call 930 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:57.239 a clean break. Todd and Kyle call it a clean break versus a dirty 931 01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.119 break or a messy break. I see ones that you can see that are 932 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:05.239 clearly snowload, with other trees bent around and things going on in the area 933 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.239 are pretty obvious. Some of these I shake my head and scratch my head 934 01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:13.719 and go, I don't know what really caused that. I don't know any 935 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.719 natural reason for that. So I really want to seek out an arborist or 936 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.199 somebody who's into trees or the mechanics of snowload and things like that. So 937 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:25.280 if anybody out there is listening and you have some expertise in that area, 938 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.639 I'd love to talk to you on the show about it and show you some 939 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.960 of the pictures of videos of some of the things that we found in that 940 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:35.880 area and even that I found here on my property, to get some perspective 941 01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:37.719 that I don't have, or maybe you don't have, as to what would 942 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.360 cause that naturally, Because I can just look at it and say that could 943 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:44.400 be natural or it could be a freaking sasquatch. I don't know. There's 944 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.800 nothing in between for me because I'm not an arbist, I don't know mechanical 945 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:52.239 engineering. I'm open to have that conversation, but until that happens, I 946 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:54.159 just have to say there's a lot of those tree breaks and a lot of 947 01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:59.360 things that are pointing in certain directions and done a certain way that I can't 948 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.559 explain. I have to say, is it possible that a sasquatch did it? 949 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:06.840 Sure? Because again Todd has told stories. He told me about a 950 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:12.760 situation where he watched a sasquatch do a tree break because he didn't believe the 951 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:16.039 tree breaks were real. He started his entire research career, according to Todd, 952 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.280 to prove that sasquatch weren't real. He didn't think they were real. 953 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:25.320 The tree breaks kept happening. He was discovering these tree breaks. One stepped 954 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:28.039 out on a trail in front of him and snapped a tree right in front 955 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.639 of him, and he was like, holy shit, they do tree breaks. 956 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.440 Until I had that experience and actually see a sasquatch break a tree in 957 01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.119 front of me, I'm probably going to be scratching my head and saying, 958 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.440 I don't know if that happened. Is it possible as sasquatch did it? 959 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.199 Sure? Is it possible that it's something natural? Absolutely? Minute sounds like 960 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.199 you had a great time. Said it before, and I'll say it again. 961 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:55.079 I'm jealous. I would love to have an opportunity like that. I'm 962 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:57.760 glad you got to go, man, I really am. Yeah, I 963 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.559 am too. And that was the thing going into it. He didn't figure 964 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.320 it was going to change my mind about the videos that everybody talks about with 965 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.559 Todd, whether the videos are real. And I asked him the question about 966 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.880 what about the footage leading up to it, that's been a big question for 967 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.360 me. It was a question for Les Stroud, it was a question for 968 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.960 a lot of people. What about the lead up and what about the back 969 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.880 end of the videos? And I have this on audio. It's not on 970 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.840 the first round of stuff that I put out, but I should have it 971 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.639 in the other audio that I have to go through. Yet I asked Todd 972 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.840 what about that? Where's the lead up footage? And the simple answer is 973 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:38.559 there isn't any There isn't any lead up footage. There isn't any footage. 974 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:42.119 Afterwards, he says it's because of the equipment he was using. He was 975 01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.320 using a camera with a limited battery life. He's out in the middle of 976 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.679 the woods, he's in the cold, he had to save his battery. 977 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:54.039 So, according to Todd, there's no lead up footage for the Jane, 978 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:58.800 the Jake and any of the other videos because he literally, there's a sasquatch. 979 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:00.199 Let me focus on it, let me turn the camera on, let 980 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.639 me zoom in. And that's his answer. That's one of those questions that 981 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.440 I promise people I would ask. I did ask, and that's what the 982 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:12.559 answer was. Can I say that makes sense? Sure? I've been out 983 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.679 before and I've saved the battery on my phone. I didn't charge my phone 984 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:18.920 before I go one a two hour hike, and I don't record everything like 985 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:24.159 I normally would because I have to save my battery. So is that a 986 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.800 feasible answer? Sure? Does it change my mind about the validity of the 987 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.400 videos? Not necessarily. But here's what I had to really come away with. 988 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.039 People have asked me so many times. People have already commented. Some 989 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:41.920 people on our Patreon have already listened to the episode and said, I think 990 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.079 Todd's full of shit. Everybody's always going to have that opinion. There's some 991 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.960 things I don't agree with him on. I don't get into the spiritual connection. 992 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:54.119 I don't necessarily understand or get into the mind speak part of his Bigfoot 993 01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:59.159 research. Is telepathy real? Yeah? I think it is. I think 994 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.599 that science has proved that telepathy is a thing. Can you have a telepath 995 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:08.840 connection with Bigfoot? If they exist? Maybe? Does Todd have that? 996 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:13.599 Does Ashley have that? Does Kyle have that? Maybe? I certainly don't, 997 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.960 so I can't speak to that. But I think here's the bottom line 998 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:20.079 for me. When I walked away from the expedition with Todd, I spent 999 01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:25.360 enough time with Todd. He invited me into his home. He was gracious, 1000 01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:29.360 he was welcoming, he was open. He let me record any and 1001 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.719 everything I wanted to audio video. He didn't care. He had nothing to 1002 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:38.960 hide. So I walked away with this. I am not convinced that his 1003 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:44.440 videos that he has purported in the past to be real Sasquatch are real. 1004 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.800 I walked away from the expedition saying, you know what, I don't know 1005 01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:53.559 if I even give a shit anymore. To be honest with you, I 1006 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:58.880 don't really care about the videos anymore because seeing them do the research, getting 1007 01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:03.679 out into the woods, spending time sleeping on the ground and doing boots on 1008 01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:08.800 the ground research and finding things. We discovered things that nobody else has ever 1009 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:12.519 found during that expedition. Todd didn't know about those structures that we found. 1010 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:18.199 They're doing research, they're having experiences. I had experiences in those woods that 1011 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:23.319 I can't explain with what I believe to be a sasquatch. So that part 1012 01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.800 is true. So I'm focusing on that. Because he says he has more 1013 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:30.279 video. I asked him about his upcoming documentary, and he does have more 1014 01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.239 video footage that's going to be into the documentary. I won't say what the 1015 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:38.720 videos of I'll let that be for the documentary. But he has a new 1016 01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.199 video of what he purports to be a sasquatch. Let's wait until that comes 1017 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.800 out and we'll judge that when it comes out. I can't speak to that. 1018 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.840 I haven't seen the video. He didn't show it to me. But 1019 01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:53.840 the documentary's happening. It's going to be put out here, probably in the 1020 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:57.640 next I would say four to six months, maybe sooner. I don't know. 1021 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.920 Let's judge that. But what I I'm judging on is my time with 1022 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:05.399 Todd, my experiences with him, Ashley Kyle, and Richard out in the 1023 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:11.720 woods. I have to say, although I don't agree with everything he says, 1024 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:15.920 I believe that what he's doing is real. The research is real. 1025 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.960 We didn't even get into the thermal drone. We put the thermal drone up 1026 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:23.479 twice. I've got videos of that, probably an hour's worth of thermal drone 1027 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.279 video that I'll eventually put out for you guys to take a look at. 1028 01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:31.239 He's using tools that other people really aren't using, I think, and doing 1029 01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:35.439 things that in a way that people necessarily aren't doing to try to get footage 1030 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:40.079 to prove the species and do some of those things. I walked away with 1031 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.399 believing that the research is real and still questioning the videos. But at the 1032 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:46.960 end of the day, I can't say that I dislike Todd. I like 1033 01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:50.760 Todd, I like Ashley. I had a great time. The area is 1034 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.319 beautiful. Here's what I would say. I would challenge anybody if you don't 1035 01:09:55.560 --> 01:10:00.880 believe me, you don't believe the research. Whatever, I want an expedition, 1036 01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.640 go to the area, experience it yourself, and formulate your own opinions. 1037 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:08.920 That's really all I can say about it is it's one of those things 1038 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:11.960 you have to see to believe, and you have to experience it to draw 1039 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.840 your own conclusions about You know it it, man. You absolutely said what 1040 01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:21.199 I've been saying this whole time. I think the videos, Like you said, 1041 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:26.600 you don't care anymore if they're real or not, because you can respect 1042 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.479 what he does. And that's what I've always said. I respect the hell 1043 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.119 out of how much time he puts in the woods, everything that he does, 1044 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:40.039 and the boots on the ground. It's just like the videos. You 1045 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:43.880 don't need it, man, you don't need it. You're putting in the 1046 01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:47.239 work, You're doing so much more than so many other people are doing. 1047 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.359 I don't know. I think you said it very well, like I said 1048 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.840 something that people just really have to experience for themselves. I'm sure people are 1049 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:59.239 probably going to be pissed off just because I said I don't hate Todd, 1050 01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:00.159 but it is what it is. I'm going to be honest about it. 1051 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.600 The man treated me with respect, He opened his house up to me. 1052 01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:08.359 He was a genuine, honest dude. I don't feel like he lied to 1053 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.520 me about anything over the course of the week that we were there. He 1054 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.119 is an open book. He'll tell you exactly what he thinks about most things, 1055 01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.600 and you can disagree all you want. It's fine. We disagree on 1056 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.560 a lot of things. There's that mutual respect I don't get from a lot 1057 01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:25.760 of people, honestly. There's a ton of people who talk a ton of 1058 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.560 crap. You got keyboard vigilanes that are going to tear me apart for not 1059 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.960 bashing him and saying I'm on board with it, or whatever the case may 1060 01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.159 be. I don't really give a shit because how many times have those people 1061 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.920 actually gone out into the woods. That's one of the things Todd said to 1062 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.479 me, very few podcasters would ever have the balls to come out and do 1063 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:46.000 what I did for seven days. We lived a tough seven days. Man. 1064 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.800 It was not being put up in a hotel. We were in the 1065 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:55.600 frickin bush, shitting in the woods and surviving. We had campers obviously to 1066 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.239 sleep in, but it was cold as hell. We were in the middle 1067 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.479 of nowhere, and shit can happen out there if you don't have the balls 1068 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.760 to actually go out experience it yourself. I don't think you really have a 1069 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.920 place to talk about what other people are doing until you have the experiences and 1070 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.439 see the area where you're having those experiences in, can you really formulate an 1071 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:17.439 opinion. Because I talked a whole lot of shit about Todd for a couple 1072 01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.640 of years, and it took me that long to actually go up there and 1073 01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:25.000 experience it. And when I did, I walked away with the newfound respect 1074 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.279 for him. Again, I won't agree with everything he says. I'm not 1075 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:32.640 necessarily picking up what he's putting down with the telepathic stuff because I didn't experience 1076 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:36.279 that, but hey, it's his thing. He's not hurting anybody doing that. 1077 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:42.840 The people he takes out on these expeditions, they go back, they 1078 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:46.840 go back multiple times, and if nothing else, just the area and being 1079 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:51.520 in that area for that amount of time just recharges your batteries. Whether Bigfoot 1080 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:56.319 stuff happens or not. It's a gorgeous place. It's an amazing place. 1081 01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.720 You eat good food, you connect with nature. I learned a lot about 1082 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:01.960 myself on that trip. If that's the worst thing that happens, you have 1083 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.720 the money to pay him and go out on an expedition. Where's the harm 1084 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.199 in that? I drove to Charlotte to go see a show last night that 1085 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:13.479 cost me money. I enjoyed the show. I took the risk of driving 1086 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:15.520 there, I took the risk of driving back. I spent the money to 1087 01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:18.720 go to the show. It's the same thing, right, It's just a 1088 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:23.600 different perspective that you have to get into going and spending a week in the 1089 01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:27.199 woods versus spending a couple of hundred dollars to go to a football game or 1090 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.720 whatever the case may be. I don't think it's any different. The only 1091 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:35.880 difference is I do believe Todd and Kyle and Ashley are out there really doing 1092 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:41.840 research because they're searching for answers in their own way. Maybe it's different than 1093 01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.399 what I would do. Maybe it's different from what you would do or other 1094 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.439 people would do. But they're searching for answers and they're doing research and they're 1095 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:53.600 having experiences. I would love to do something like that, and hopefully one 1096 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.840 day that opportunity to presents. This s uff to me because I would jump 1097 01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:00.239 all over it, or I really would. Maybe next year, Man already 1098 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:01.880 said, I'd like to go back up to Radium. I'd like to enjoy 1099 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:05.159 some more time out there, maybe have some more experiences. I may go 1100 01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:08.600 back next year. I don't know. We'll just have to see. I 1101 01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.039 will go with you. We might have to make that happen, all right, 1102 01:14:12.079 --> 01:14:15.199 Man, that's all I've got on this one. I'm glad you enjoyed 1103 01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.359 yourself. Man, I'm happy that you got to go. Yeah. I 1104 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:19.560 had a good time. And like I said, we'll post some videos and 1105 01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:23.640 we'll post some pictures up on the blog. So you guys go over to 1106 01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:28.479 Paranormal World Productions dot com and go over and check out the videos we're talking 1107 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.840 about the photos. If you have questions, we're probably going to do a 1108 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.319 live show about this. We'll probably do a Paranormal Odyssey live. We'll probably 1109 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:38.760 do a Sasquatch Odyssey live. But if you have questions you want it, 1110 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.359 answer it over here. We can certainly do a follow up. Send us 1111 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.960 an email. Brian at Paranormal World Productions dot com, Wayne at Paranormal World 1112 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.239 Productions dot com. We always love to hear from you, rate and review 1113 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:51.239 the show. 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You get the 1123 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:25.840 last word, man, y'all be good to yourselves, be good to each 1124 01:15:25.880 --> 01:16:05.600 other, and we'll see you next time. You