What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season two, episode forty
eight of Clips and Dip, your favorite Clippers podcast. Hopefully. I am
Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. Got an awesome show
for you today thanks to all the new listeners. The Clippers have been playing
well, which means we get new listeners, So welcome to y'all. Welcome
to everyone who subscribed to the YouTube over at YouTube dot com slash at Clippers
podcast. If you want to watch us through the pod, you can watch
us do it over there. We're going to talk a couple of all stars
on the Clippers, a Coach of the Month on the Clippers, the rest
of the Grammy trip, Dave Pingalore dropping a bomb who has dropped bombs about
Kwi Leonard before. Before we get into that, it's a rainy day in
La Adam Oslin, Will Updike, How are you doing? Adam will start
with you. I'm good Clippers of one twenty eight of thirty six. I
mean, what else matters? They ran some threes down on the Wizards last
night too, got back on track in that area, so I'm good with
it. Feeling good will are you cozied up? You had to go on
a journey to pay your rent and to Hollywood? How are you? Yeah?
Yeah, the the method in which I pay my rent and where it
actually goes U is a conversation for another time. There's a lot of ans
and announced with that. But it's close, It's pretty damn close. But
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. It was bizarre, like how fast
the turnaround from rain was? Yeah, I was getting a thousand year storm.
I was asked about that, and so people asked me what I was
going to do, and I said I was going to die because if it
was a thousand year storms, so it's a thousand years long something like that.
I don't know. Let's get into the most fun news of the day,
right, the biggest news for Clippers fans. Kawhi Leonard and Paul George
are all stars. Hell yeah, did you did you guys think that we
would get to guess? Yeah? I mean these were shoeings. I mean
unbiasedly though, No, for sure, if you looked at all the projections,
it was obvious. Of course Kawhi was gonna make it, and pretty
much everybody had Paul Georgian too, and they've also again they've been available.
Right, it's like their this is like the one thing that they're gonna do
to be like, yeah, thanks for playing enough games, guys. But
hell yeah, I hope they don't play very much to be honest in the
game itself. Right, Yeah, maybe PG doesn't go at all. I
don't know. We'll see what happens. What do you man? That would
be funny if he sat out. I mean we've seen this before when guys
are dinged up and they're dealing with an injury and they put them in for
like a minute just to get a little bit of run and say they were
there. They were all stars. They they were featured in the game.
But and it's the same like scoring rules this time. I think we're back
to normal East versus West is back, so the elam rule is gone.
No more quarters. I'm guessing they give no quarters. Well playing well,
that was great. That was fantastic for quaiebg Tylu also named Western Conference Coach
of the Month. Hell yeah, first time a Clippers coach has ever won
it in back to back months. Who was Player of the month Devin Booker?
Interesting, wasn't he? Or No? He was player of the week,
who was Player of the month? Has that been released? Yeah,
Devin Booker was Was he average thirty five? Lame? Uh? He averaged
thirty four and six? They won eleven and five, which is not as
good. No, eleven, and some would say it adds to the level
of disrespect going on. And then we'll get into it in a little bit
here. But I'm getting boys, you're pissed off. I'm happy for tylu
And I have the question on the rundown, which Adam, I see you're
on. I always appreciate that, Uh will on it. No, he's
not. Are we comfortable calling this on my second computer over here? Dude?
I got second? What's the thing from Swordfish? The all the Yeah,
he's got to make the cube on all the all the screens of computers.
Yeah, he's got to make a worm, That's what he's got to
make. Uh. Is this the best regular season Clippers team of all time?
Or just the best Clippers team of all time? I said, like
a month and a half ago, this is the best regular season stretch of
all time. I mean it's it's the best they've ever played consistently in a
regular season. This record that they have, but also the high level victories
and the dominance where I think Kawhi has not had to play in ten fourth
quarters so far this second I don't know. I think they still lead in
most twenty point wins, which also I think the Clippers are a horrible garbage
time team, So it should be more twenty point wins. Well, maybe
it's amount of times you're up by at least twenty in a ball game,
not necessarily where the final score is. So yeah, there should be final
score because I feel like with the point fluctuations like twenty unless it's ending on
twenty twenty minutes or twenty points doesn't mean that much to me. Damn,
And We'll wants more. Will wants more from this Clippers team. I would
respect that. Yeah, and like the I also think what plays into it
too is they're doing everything they said in the off season everyone was. I
don't know if skeptical is the right word. I think that has a heavier
negative weight than kind of the word that I mean, But I think you
know what I mean. We were like, we're gonna believe it when we
see it. We've heard this before, we bought in before, and not
necessarily been burned, but it hasn't gotten how we wanted it to. And
this year it's actually going like we wanted to. And it starts with the
availability, I think, going back to training camp, being able to go
two a days with Kawhi and Paul George and so a lot of this is
just dependent on good fortune, some good luck finally being in their favor to
a degree. They've still had some injuries. It sounds like Big Zoo's turning
a corner. Yeah, he's with the team right now, and coach lou
was asked about if he'll be available on this road trip and it's like,
whoa nobody anticipated that we were all talking about. Yeah, post All Star
break, Yeah, probably then he'll be back. But Paul George dinged up
to But overall, you combine that with the addition of James Harden and the
level of intensity and urgency they've been playing with, and they have met the
expectations of taking the regular season. More Seriously, I'm wondering, do you
want Zoo to come back before the All Star break? If we're playing well,
I'm kind of like, let's maybe take a little bit of time into
this All Star break. Could they take it more seriously though, could they
all be playing in glasses? Maybe a monocle. I don't know. If
I'm not trying to get down on them, I'm trying to light a fire
under the Clippers. If he can't worsen the injury, if that's how they
assess it, then I'd be fine with him coming back because it's still about
trying to get a top three seed in the West, and things are that
close where it could come down to a game or two by the end of
the season, and you could it could fluctuate from being, you know,
the first seed to the third seed by a game or two. It could
be that tight at the top of the West. Who has tie breakers above
us? I would guess Minnesota and Oka. See, so they're one on
one against OKAC, right, they've only played Minnesota once, they lost to
them, and they're one and two against Denver so far with one more to
go. And that extra game against Denver came out of the nd season tournament.
Just that's right. Yeah, so the little maybe good fortune there At
the time, we're like, oh, great, they have to play Denver
again because of this, but actually they have a chance and it's at home
for the Clippers to tie the regular season series again man an iconic. Well,
actually for the podcast, I love a good will. Actually, yeah,
this is terrifying. We kind of talked about it a couple of weeks
ago about how the top four was going to start to become kind of a
death struggle. It has become exactly that. All the teams are pretty separating
themselves a fair amount from the Kings, who are six games behind in the
five seed, and just one through four is crazy right now? Yeah,
I should say the separation between one through four could be that tight, not
just one through three. But for the sake of the argument or the discussion
that we've had over the years of being a top three seed and the importance
of that, you want to win as many as you can right now without
pushing things too far. And I was happy to see that Paul George got
the night off against the Washington Wizards. Yeah, road trip's going pretty good
so far. That Wizard's game was another one requieted Augh to play in the
fourth. Pg's not on the injury report for the game against the Pistons.
Well, do you think he'll end up back on it? As has been
the case the last couple of games with this, like recent embiid stuff where
it was like clear he wasn't right, and you know that he was pushing
to play, and you know he thought the injury was manageable, and you
know, a trainer can only do as much as an athlete tells them.
I don't know, you know, my answer, I guess is it depends.
And I know that's not a great answer, but I just don't see
any reason to push it right now. I know things are tight, but
I do think we can make up some ground, and I mean it would
just be it would just be way more devastating to have a longer stretch without
PG, especially I mean especially with March around the corner. So I you
know, I it depends. I guess I don't have a better answer than
that, but I do worry that, you know, the players try that
players push it, and I'm worried that Paul George all and he did try
to push it, so we'll see. To me, we already know he
can reaggravate it, right because that's what happened against the Brooklyn Nets. This
was an injury he had back in early December. He started to play,
he was fine, he looked good. He looked great. Actually, he
kind of turned things around after a little bit of a dip and then he
reaggravated it. So I wouldn't push things against a Pistons team that is the
worst team in the league, and you just saw they are dude, I
was waiting hold. When I was doing the rundown, I put like the
records in at some point in the second segment, we talk about the next
games, but typing out six hyphen forty one, I was like, what
that is their record? I feel so and I mean this sincerely. I
cannot imagine being a Pistons fan right now typing I've never typed out six hyphen
forty one and never will again. That's an incredible win. Lost. They
lost twenty eight in a row. This is an all time bad team.
I think I think PG should rest this game. I'm just sit him.
It's fine, it should be fine. It looked a little I don't know
if dicey is the right word against the Wizards, but the defense took a
second to lock in against the Wizards, which and it kind of it kind
of slopped up. I felt like in that third quarter until they just really
kind of put that one away. I wanted to give a shout out to
Adam for his man on Fire photoshop of Kawhi Leonard on Twitter. Let me
actually pull that up. That was really funny. Yeah, did the defense?
I mean, I guess I want him to see it more locked in
against you know, the Pistons and stuff like that. This happens when you
know you're that good offensively, when you know you're playing a team like the
Washington Wizards. They were only in front of the Detroit Pistons in the Eastern
Conference standings going into that game. There's gonna be a letdown sometimes. I
don't know the Boston the Elters are playing down to the Lakers currently. These
things do happen in the league. The important thing is they more than doubled
the Wizard's point output in that third quarter. Wasn't it forty to nineteen?
Yeah? The Clippers were unbelievable there in Kawhi man on Fire. He had
fourteen of his thirty one points in that third quarter, and it's just making
it look so easy. He's toying with everyone right now. It's a joke.
What's his I was doing some looking because sometimes you want to know what
odds are Kawhi Leonard is not in the top ten for MVP on bet MGM's
odds. Luca is third, which blows my mind because the maps are eighth
and I don't think anyone on an eight seed deem should be the MVP Gonbo.
Usually, what does Kawhi have to do? He's playing, the Clippers
are playing well, they just had two great months. He's played every almost
every game, he's destroying on both ends. He has to get Will and
I to get upset for him, because Kawhi certainly doesn't care about this award,
and we will be as we were last night on Clippers Talk a little
cliffs and div Will and I went off about this and it is perplexing.
That's unbelievable because again, just like with him not being a Western Conference starter
in the All Star Game, we're talking about a top seventy five player ever,
a well known commodity, if you want to put it, one of
the greatest players of his generation. Yes, he's been injury prone, but
when he's out there, everybody knows what he's capable of. And he's currently
having the best regular season of his career. And part of the reason has
Will and I were going back and forth and getting each other worked up about
this and what an injustice it is that Kawhi Leonard is an MVP conversations and
he wasn't a starter in the Western Conference. When you're not a starter in
the Western Conference All Star Game, that has a bigger effect on just overall
national narrative of if you should be in the MVP conversation, if you're not
even a Western Conference starter in the All Star Game, Yeah, why would
you be talking about that guy being the MVP Because it would only make sense
that somebody in an MVP conversation also was starting in the All Star Game.
So these things do matter now, they don't to Kawhi And ultimately, this
Clipper season is about winning a championship. But it's a little bit of a
talking point right now, and it just shows how loaded the NBA is with
casuals. I'm sorry, but either you realize, either you realize Kawhi Leonard
should be in the conversation for MVP, or you're a casual. Either you
realize that he's had a better season overall than Kevin Durant and Lebron James,
or you're a casual I'm sorry, there's it's it's not about us, you
know, covering the Clippers. This is obvious and it should be obvious to
everyone who's been paying attention at all. Yeah, I I agree with you.
And I actually was listening to Windhorse and the Hoop Collective before I came
on here, And that is the first whisper that I've even heard of Kawhi
being in the MVP conversation. And we'll see how the games played, the
thing ends up working out, because it's obviously out of it. But I
know that Kawhi probably, I mean, I know that he doesn't care about
being an All Star starter, probably honestly does not care about a regular season
MVP award either. But Adam brought up an interesting point about guy's legacies yesterday,
and I think if you look at things, i mean even ten years
from now, if someone's trying to, like, you know, do a
comparison of who were like some of the best players of their eras, that's
gonna be one of the things that they look at. And you know,
I fear that if some of what Kawhi is doing right now is getting lost
right now, like what is the future legacy of that because he is I
don't know, man, He's just had an incredible season. He's a top
two player in the league right now. Like I don't know, I don't
know what the guy's gotta do. It is called the twenty twenty four NBA
All Star Game, not though, what have you done over the past ten
years and will factor all that stuff into All Star Game. It's about what
is happening currently in this season. That's what should matter. Same with the
MVP. It shouldn't be about Kawhi missing games in his past when he's only
missed four so far this season. So put him in the conversation until he's
missing enough games to not be in it. With the numbers he's putting up
last twenty six games, fifty seven percent from the field, forty nine percent
from the outside, we're talking about not just one of the best runs this
season efficiency wise, And that's what baffles me. We're in an era of
advanced stats, analytics in all these things. I mean, Marcas saw the
reason he won the Defensive Player of the Year back in twenty thirteen was because
of defensive ratings stuff. The advanced analytics what gave it to him. We're
in twenty twenty four, and we're not looking at that stuff for Kawhi Leonard's
night. Yeah, a team that's ten points worse defensively when he's not on
the floor. That stuff needs to be factored in. It needs to matter,
and I just get annoyed with stuff, you know, when it's based
off merrit. You know, it wouldn't matter to me if Kawhi Leonard and
he was always one of my favorite players before he became a Clipper. But
these type of slights and snubs always get me going when it is this obvious
and staring you in the face. A top seventy five player ever playing this
well. Is it because he's been beat down so much by the negative press
and the media and the guys like Steven A. Smith saying he should retire
and that has had an effect on voters, on fans, on other players
even because that's gross. If that's the case, I don't think it's players.
I think fans one hundred percent. I think players know that Kawhi is
the man. I think, but the media, You're totally right. I
think that narrative is brutal for Kawhi and there's gonna be you know, like
five years, whenever Kawi retires, there's gonna be so many monchages of like,
can you believe this is howe they used to talk about Kawhi And it's
gonna be clips of that mash together and everyone's gonna go, wow, we
were really stupid back well, in the same way like what Will was talking
about. In fifty years from now, you'll look back on this season who
were the best players and you'll probably gauge it off of things like All Star
where they ended up in MVP voting, Just like how people say, well,
you know Kevin Durant right now, can't beat the narrative of yes,
he won a championship and he won two of them, but they came with
the Golden State Warriors, and they won seventy three games before he came there.
They won before him. But over time that'll get lost in history and
it'll just show that he was a champion and that's all that's gonna matter.
Fifty years from now, they're giving the other side of that for those Kevin
Durant the Kevin Durant Finals win. So he's not gonna be a live one
hundred years now to have a burner on Twitter or maybe a burner bought live
forever. He might be alive one hundred years. It's going Ted Williams,
some of these advancements technologies. He's going to try to be nineteen again.
I just don't want this Kawhi season to get lost on people because it seems
like it's crazy. Well, Kawhi has become underrated in a year like this,
Well you know what won't. I mean, he's poised for another season,
like another run like he had in Toronto. I mean finals MVP,
a third finals MVP. I mean, that's got to put Kawhi somewhere in
the conversation of all time, of course, and that's the biggest thing.
It would just be like him and Lebron as lead guys winning a championship with
three different teams at that point, you know, being at their peak and
being the number one options on their team, pulling off something like that.
But I just want to make make sure, you know, we get ahead
of this now and make sure he's getting enough attention now for what he's been
doing with this Clippers team and it's not getting lost in the shuffle of an
a two game season that Kawhi Leonard maybe is the best player in the world
right now, and he's not even top ten in MVP voting or top ten
and uh at least when it comes to UH betting lines. Well, the
Bowl is coming out, right, I am he has to be top ten.
I hope he's top ten. Should we have him on to plead his
case? Yeah? Do you think he come on the pod? Yeah?
Blink twice if you feel like you're being overlooked here. Cool. But that
is the best part. He doesn't care. He wants the Larry Ob he
wants the finals MVP. Maybe he still wouldn't care. He just wants to
win the damn championship. But I think it's okay for us to stick up
for him and bring some positive attention towards the Clippers and just how well he's
playing. Absolutely coming up, we're going to talk the rest of the Grammy
trip. I'm wondering we're gonna talk to Brandon Boston Junior thing over bones thing
too, because that was interesting. In The Wizard's Game, the ads have
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We're gonna talk about the rest of the Grammy trip. Clippers got an
easy one coming up on Friday and then taking on the Heat and the Hawks,
so let's get into it. Where do you guys want to start with
this Piston smashup? I think we should start with the question is what will
you do if the Clippers lose of the Pistons? Ooh, I mean I
guess dry January is over, so you think just get waste? I'm my
time one on, just tie one on. I don't know, I know
this sounds. I mean, it depends on how it happens. If they
just gave up and like decided to and like played and just like with pissy
attitudes or something, I'd be upset. But if the Piston shoot like sixty
five percent from three, I'd be like, oh, pretty cool. I
guess from the Piston they were due. They got up for the ball game.
If there's one team, let's due for a big win. Recently,
it can't happen. Oh yeah, and this league it can definitely happen.
I don't think it will, but probably no. Paul George is what we
were, what we all hope for. It depends. I'm hoping for it.
I'm just I don't care. I don't care if he's healthy. Just
sent him this one. We don't need it all the way. A mere
coffee started in his place and was fantastic. Right, Mirror's a godsend.
Thank goodness. He got back into the rotation and is being appreciated for the
all round player he is and is I saw this earlier. Do you guys
see these numbers where he shot the best of any wing? I think in
January or something like that. I haven't seen the latest numbers. Do you
fax me those? Send me the numbers, dude, I should have been
like desk hours. You gotta fact those to me, dud. Well,
probably I'm finding out about the numbers mid pot. I'll try. I'll try
to find him here during the during the show. But he has been incredible.
He's been so efficient and had seventeen points against Washington and looked great.
What was he sev from the floor? Uh in January or something like from
three or something like that, Like it's absolutely insane and yeah, I got
it. Go ahead. A mere coffee is averaging one point four eight points
per shot attempt this season. That ranks first for all wings in the NBA.
He's shooting eighty five percent at the rim, sixty five percent in the
mid range, forty four percent from three, Emir has an and one percentage
of thirty eight point five percent. That's eleventh of all wings. So the
efficiency is just off the charts. It's not just January, all wings.
He's at one point four eight points per shot out temp this season. Now,
he doesn't take nearly as many as you know, most of those guys
that are gonna be in that conversation, but still it's impressive. He takes
enough that it's a very it's a huge help to the Clippers holistic championship expectations.
Yeah, I mean, like, don't kid yourself. I mean,
this is a guy who could have an impactful playoffs run, you know.
I mean he's a guy who when things aren't going right can can turn things
around. And he's you know, solid on both ends of the floor.
The way he's improved is a scorer this season. Like, I mean,
I think all of us have always had kind of high hopes for for Coffee,
as you know, he's been around the team so long. But I
and really know that it would be like this, like especially this quickly,
at how fast he's had to step up and where this you know, where
this team is headed in the expectations, and I think he's surpassed every single
one. So yeah, man, can't say enough good things about Coffee.
So he yeah, started against the Pistons. Let's get him some more run,
keep spill met him going. And also Isaiah Stewart's out for the Pistons.
I don't know what they do with their lineups over there Pistons Twitter,
and they're doing okay, but like they don't know what's happening with the lineups.
So I don't know. Man, Let's have another mirror game, Like,
let's not get crazy with this one. Who need to overthink this.
Let's just sit peg. Yeah, and let's play good defense and let's hope
we can get Kawhi another fourth quarter break. Do we expect to see Brandon
Boston Junior got time over bones in the Wizard's game? Are we reading the
Tea Leaves on this, So is this something? Is this nothing? It's
absolutely something. But a lot of people on Twitter were like, Oh,
they're showing off Brandon Boston Junior's trade value, and I'm like, that is
the complete opposite of how I took this. Yeah, this is a very
line in the sand that Bones Island doesn't. I think that Bones Highland doesn't
seem to be in the future plans for the Clippers. Well, he got
he got in when they went super small, and if they had Bones Highland
out there instead of him, they would have been ant man, it would
have been not insane. But it was a plus two. Yeah, by
my gauge, they went plus two during that stretch. It worked and Brandon
Boston in a really good game, his best game of the season. I
said on the last show that, yeah, I have concerns at this point,
you know, whether or not Bones is going to be on the team
after the trade deadline, just because he can't crack the rotation unless it's garbage
time right now. But it's something we knew. If anyone was gonna take
the biggest hit bringing in James Harden, it was likely going to be Bones
Highland. And then especially after the fact with Norm being on this crazy efficient
season himself this year with the Clippers, so he's not giving up any minutes
and it doesn't look like availability like Truan. That's been a great that's been
a great story for Norm too, because it's been you know, he hasn't
been available that often with his in his tenure for the Clippers. Can I
ask you guys a trade question related to these guys to a little bit and
just the trade deadline that people have been hitting me up with on Twitter?
Yeah, I mean we're only like it, We're only a week away.
Yeah, I don't like it now. There were no specifics, it was
just in general. They're saying that, you know, a mere coffee looks
this good. Has Terrence Man become a trade ship now? Because he can
feel a lot of what a mere coffee can fill a lot of what Terrence
Man does. That's what people That's what people are telling me, my ass,
Terrence Man is a trade ship. He's our start. He's in the
start. We're not gonna do a starting lineup change. What if I don't
if we wouldn't give it, if we wouldn't give him up for James Harden,
Like, what what's the trade? I don't know who that guy would
be. Again, they didn't give any specifics, but to get that other
wing, to get that four or five guy that everybody thinks the Clippers.
If there's one thing they're missing, it's that. I don't know because what
doesn't make that much money is the other thing, like salary wise, you're
gonna have to get something else going there. There was something said, thing
you can do a weird like there could be a weird deal out there for
a twelve year old guy. Was it right At the beginning of the season,
somebody asked about contract negotiations and he said, like, no, that's
dead, that's dead right now, or something to that effect. Yeah,
I think so so like I would, there's not nothing there. I'm not
gonna say it's crazy they're playing I know. I don't want to see it
happen. I love Terrence Man, you that, and I love a mere
coffee too, But I don't necessarily think that he's gonna play like this the
rest of the season, like to like like he's played great. We know
that, but again, we haven't seen him in a bigger role. I'm
assuming if we ship Terrence out of mirror, get more minutes? Like,
are we forgetting about Terrence Parrin's playoff experience too? Yeah? Are we forgetting
about the last time this team had a deep playoffs run and off? Dude,
I just I don't understand what we're doing here, Like, I mean,
if we weren't giving up Terrence for James Harden, what player are we
giving him on for? And even still, you got to get another contract
in there. You gotta get Norm in there and PJ. I mean to
get somebody like of a higher CALIBERT level. I don't think you're flipping Terrence
and PJ for someone in like the twenty four range, Like, I don't.
I just don't see it. And it's a new guy. We got
a new guy to work into the lineup. He hasn't even gotten facts the
numbers. Fuck. If the idea is to trade him for a bigger guy
or wing that can play some five small ball five plus play the four,
I don't think we need. We're losing a wing with Terrence man and a
guy who can go one through four and sometimes a center. So it may
be a lateral move at best. You know, I'm not saying I agree
with it. But a few people have brought this up to me on X
on X Well, that app's going to hell. This is the worst thing
I've seen on Twitter, I've heard of on Twitter. Terrence was right,
He's not wrong, man, all right. So then the Clippers after the
Pistons game, which say what you think is gonna happen on three win or
loss? One two? Three win? Right? Great? I lou coaching
masterclass that I'd be okay with a tie because I'd be like, whenever it's
in, like the twelfth overtime, they have to call it. We play
the Heat. Then this is where the size issue gets put on display for
the Clippers. We were just talking. Maybe Terrence been getting traded for a
larger size. The Heat are a big ass team, Adam, What are
you looking for from the Clippers defensively in this one? Because they can't start
like they did against the Wizards. I need more from Mason Plumbley and Daniel
Tice. They weren't great against the Wizards. Plumbly put up, I thought
in the third quarter he was really good. He had a couple of offensive
rebounds. But I think part of the reason they s tried to go small
in that second quarter and it did work. Is because neither of them looked
great early on, and we've seen that a few different times against the Cavaliers,
against the Lakers too. Nobody can replace Big Zoo. That's how it
works. He's that vital to this team. I think he's the fourth most
important player on this Clipper squad at worst. So I think both of them
are gonna have to be better. Obviously against BAM, I think they will
be. They've had They're doing their part, they're doing trying, They're putting
some good effort in there, like yeah, I'm not gonna act like they
aren't carrying their weight or something like that. For what has been asked of
them this season, they have certainly overperformed, especially Daniel Tye. We haven't
seen much Mason Plumbley yet and he is a guy just coming back from injuries,
so maybe reps, timing, rhythm. It's still getting gonna get better
for him. But we saw the Clippers being able to take down the Miami
Heat one twenty one to one oh four Crypto, and they played really well
in that ball game. Paul George was available, they had their normal starting
five with two on three Zoo Botch, James Harden and Terrence man Uh.
Did Miami have a full squad in that game? They did not have Jimmy
Butler did not go in that That's what it was. It was Heimi Hawk
as junior. He had fifteen, Bam had twenty one. It was that
was the game where Kawhi dunked on Bam went baseline on him. Uh and
he had a one on one in the corner. So the Clippers have had
success against them, But yeah, how much can you extrapolate from that one
game when they don't have Jimmy Butler and now they have scary Terry Rozier two.
Yeah, and they've been in not playing well. I look at like
they have lost a lot of games over they've lost. They got smacked by
time when they got super smacked by the Knicks. They lost seven of eight
they lost. They lost by like thirty three to the Celtics. Damn,
couldn't be us. They're gonna be desperate. Really, they're gonna be desperate.
They don't score a lot, they're the third lowest scoring team in the
league, but they do try and kind of hang their hat on defense.
This is gonna be a gross game. I think like the heater gonna try
and make it gross for the Clippers, and I hope the PG if he
I hope he plays on this one. If he maybe, if he takes
off the Detroit game. Yeah, Miami's twenty ninth in pace. Clippers are
twenty fifth, so they're gonna look like speed demons compared to us in Miami.
Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting one. TBD on what the point
of attack defense looks like to start this one. Hope Paul George starts hot
early if he gets his time, and then if he plays in this first
one. I'm not sure how I'd feel about him playing against the Hawks too,
because it is a back to back mm hmm. And the Hawks,
we're getting them at the end of a three and four, which is kind
of nice for the Clippers, so the Hawks will be a little bit tired.
They get a bunch of offensive rebounds, which worries me a little bit
considering are but they also missed ship. They play zero defense though, yeah,
they do not play any defense. Like I just you know, if
we if we set the pressure early. I mean, they're a high scoring
team, but I mean it's you know, like it's a it's a game
of possessions. You're you're gonna be able to get most of what you want
on the offensive end. It's it's just about you know, it's just about
you controlling the pace against Against the Hawks and and the Clippers, I feel
like have gotten really good at sort of at managing that. I think they
throw teams off of their rhythm. I thought that they did that really effectively
against Boston. But yeah, like it's I don't know, again, I
don't want a Pensilana win or anything, but like that. They don't play
any defense over there in Atlanta. So unless the Clip have like a terrible
I have a terrible shooting night combined with you know, slow legs on the
second night of a back to back, I would hope that they that they
go to and oh on that back to back. I like that. I
like the optimism. Yeah, and they historically played pretty well on the second
night of back to back. Yeah. This season, Trey Young got snub
for the All Stars, which is something that worries me a little bit.
He might be on a bit of a chip on his shoulder situation, but
things are also like tumultuous in Atlanta. It feels like it feels like no
one's happy John could be traded. There could be Yeah, Like it's kind
of weird, And I wonder how that affects uh to John te because he
has killed the Clippers before. When he was on the Spurs, he had
a couple of games against the Clippers where it was just like, oh shit,
okay, we cannot stop Jog Murray. Yeah, one game at home
that was Phenomenoneah. So I like the idea of control in the pace.
Will's right. I mean they're twenty seventh defensively. I believe they're h We'll
get the scores in their game. It's like one thirty eight, Like it's
it's insane. It's insanity. I watched the Lakers game head them the other
night where the Lakers lost again, but there was zero defense being played.
They just wanted to roll the ball out there and say, Okay, let's
see you can outscore the other team. We're gonna play a little bit faster.
We're a little bit more connected. Outside of Clint Capella, he can
block some shots when he's in there, and obviously is a rim runner two.
But they shouldn't scare anyone it's just the second night of a back to
back and the three and four that scares you. It's just, you know,
a little bit of a fatigue that may come into play for the Clippers.
Yeah, that's a good call. How what do you think, in
record wise, if they go two and one, they get to the five
and two record that will and I picked the team went for six and one.
I think Adam went for one and six, which I thought was really
really pessimistic. Four and three, but it's not looking good for me.
Boys, I'll be happy to be wrong about this one. I think two
and one over this stretch. I'm completely happy with two and one over the
stretch. I think we all know which game we maybe would prefer to lose
if you have to lose one of these three pistons. I mean, I
guess I can't imagine what they do to the Heat if they lost the Pistons.
Yeah, I'm feeling two in one. I agree two and one sounds
reasonable. And then you get your five and two road trip, and we'll
see where the Chips land afterwards. They might be in the top three seed
like they are right now coming out of this Grammy road trip, which would
be very successful, I would say overall. Also, when are the damn
Grammys? Why is the strip so long? Will and I were talking about
that the other day. Yeah, I don't get like, what's the lot
of prep time? Will? You're saying two and one, you're saying three
and now three. No, let's go for it. Who's your player of
these who's your player of these three games? One player for three games?
And you can't pick Kawhi. No, you can't pick and I can't pick
Kawi Yes, setting precedent, So you get the guy that you want.
No one can pick, Like, don't pick Paul George or something like that.
Say Paul George, All right, I'm gonna go then with Norman Powell.
Oh love it. I like that. Man. Ready for I'm ready
for some big games for James. You want James Harden? I mean he
played well again, played great against the Wizards. Yeah, but I mean
I want him to go on one more? Dude, always always raising the
standards of the Clippers, that's championship stuff. You want me to lower them?
No, I don't get the f out of here. Yeah, I
bet them minus thirty nine and a half. Dude, I'm screwed here I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go Terrence Man. Terrence Man is gonna show people
why he shouldn't be even considered in any kind of trade talks. We're gonna
need him against the Heat with size and guarding multiple positions and things like that.
We're gonna need against the Hawks for size and multiple was going multiple positions
and stuff like that. His cutting has been great. Nicaias on the Dunker
Spot was talking about how good Terrence Man's cutting can be when Kawi gets double
teams and things like that. So I think I want to see some more
good cuts from him, Like, yeah, I think the Kawhi pick is
gonna go hand in hand with Terrence Man probably also being player of the game
for three games in a row. Yeah, but I got the King of
the fourth boys. That's very true. That is very true. That.
Yeah, hopefully that's not the case in Detroit. We're gonna be talking.
A bunch of random stuff happened on NBA Twitter, including something from Dave Pingalore,
who is a Clippers sideline reporter. Sometimes when things on KTLA and Avid
always right when it comes to LA Sports rumors guy. And then we're gonna
talk to sixty five game Rule and Patrick Patterson had something cool happened to him.
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And that's why we talked to you in the comment section sometimes two on
YouTube. But this, uh, we got a comment on this. I
didn't see this. I didn't know about this. I'm aware of it because
of the rundown. Chuck Lebron may get traded and this store is being broke
by David Pinglore of KTLA five. Yes, so David Pingalore for those of
you who are not in the no wink wink. For those guys remember that
classic Twitter situation. Dave Pingalore is a reporter for KTLA. He broke,
He's broke. He's been sourced on a bunch of things that have happened in
the NBA, specifically with California teams. He called Kawhi coming to the Clippers.
He talked about his sources when Lebron was gonna go to the Lake,
and like it's kind of insane. He tweeted, just out of nowhere,
hearing from NBA peeps, King James is the top of the Lakers list to
trade the thirty nine year old Polinka is looking for the right team to dance
with and is close to a suitor. Lbj and eighty both out tonight and
everyone was kind of like laughing at this guy and things like that. But
then you find his old tweets and in twenty eighteen, he tweets things,
you know, like that Lebron's gonna pay the Lakers back, putting him in
a position to join the team. Like he's just been right about a bunch
of stuff people found. So are you anticipating a Terrence Man involved trade for
Lebron James to the LA Clippers. Let's open the floor for discussion. Not
giving up Terrence Man for a nine year old. I don't think this happens.
There's no way I think that this happened. Terrence Man for Lebron.
Yeah, Ron Lebron getting traded. There's no way that happened. The only
way I could see it happening was, well, how did you interpret his
little cryptic tweet with the hour glass and the salt times running out on the
season. I got so much other shit going on, I got a lot,
man. Well, the only way I could see it happening based upon
how the Lakers have handled themselves with Genie Buss. Now. They always preach
we're going to take care of our superstars, and that is part of the
allure of being a Laker. We take care of you. On the back
end, Kobe had torn his achilles, they still give him that huge contract
afterwards. They're going to make sure that you feel like you're a Laker for
life and all these things. For them to trade a player who might be
the greatest player of all time, to trade that guy the hutspa, it
would take to do that unless he agreed to it and was all for it,
and you know, mutual agreement from all parties involved, and it's the
best for everyone right now. But even and that seems very unlikely. It
seemed very unlikely. Yeah, I don't see this happening. Jeff Van Gundy
said, like on ABC a couple of years ago. I remember, I
think this was Lebron's second year, so right before the Bubble and then going
on to win the Bubble Championship in Orlando, he said they should have traded
him. Then I think he had some hot take during a game on ABC.
I think they should trade Lebron. So he's not the first guy to
say something like this, but do you have the stones, Like what's the
line in the how do you shoot the devil in the back from usual suspects?
Not that Lebron is the devil or anything like that, but just come
on, like, this would be such a big move, don't I don't
see it happen. Yeah, And I just like, I mean, financially,
like, what draw do you have at that point to Lakers games that
you're like, you know, you're already paying a premium for I don't.
It's like, I just don't see it. And and the team that would
be trading for him might have to have enough draft picks to say, hey,
we're gonna get Bronnie, and that's why you want to be here.
But the only team that could have that assurance would be the OKAC Thunder the
only team that could say, if we want Ronnie, we can somehow get
Bronnie. I just even if Lebron was like, Okay, you're getting draft
picks and young players. I'm doing the Lakers a solid while you guys,
you know the quid pro quo, you're helping me out to lad my career
to still have a chance to win a ring. But I mean, we've
just never seen anything like that before with the Lakers, where they're sending out
a guy so he has a chance to go win somewhere else. They're supposed
to be the team that brings in that guy. That's the franchise, the
destination, like everybody else is a farm system for the Lakers or something.
Adam's getting worked up, Adam's taking the gun out. Let's talk to sixty
five game rule. We were just talking Kawhi how he's played in a bunch
of games, which has been good. A lot of people are saying for
the MVP award, it makes sense. I'm kind of on their side.
I think like every MVP has played over the percentage that sixty five of seventy
two, except for EMBD last year. I think because it's it's you can
miss twenty percent of the season essentially, and yeah, you know, like
when I first was thinking about it, like sixty five games, I was
like, oh, that seems like kind of a lot. But when you
think of it in terms of a percentage, like you can miss twenty percent
of the season and it's for MVP, Like yeah, I mean, if
you're only playing seventy five percent of the season, are you the most valuable
player? Like? Can you be the most valuable player? I don't know
where it gets messy is the All NBA stuff. That's what some guys have
been talking to totally, is with the all Like Tyrese Haliburton mentioned it,
like it maybe rushed him back for All NBA stuff because that's tied to your
contract so much. For that game that that game that he sustained an injury
in he technically played for less than twenty minutes, so it doesn't count as
one of his games. He's gonna miss out on a bunch of money because
of this, like, because of this rule. But the thing is,
though, I mean they negotiated this, Yeah, right, that's what Players
Union did agree to this, which is nuts. I don't think every player
was asked individually in the NBA of how they felt about it. But yeah,
they have representatives voted, yeah, I mean, yeah, gotta read
your union stuff. It is interesting to see. However, I like the
idea of the NBA NBA dangling carrot to make sure guys play more. But
when dudes are legitimately injured, like we just saw what Joel embiid As mentioned
earlier, and then he plays through it and it sounds like it's unrelated to
what he was dealing with. Maybe, but still if you know, if
he's not out there, that doesn't happen. Uh, It's just it's just
unfortunate. And I would I would like to believe that the voters could just
have the context to say, oh, this guy has missed this many games,
so I'm not going to vote for him, instead of the NBA having
to step in and saying no, they're ineligible. That would be nice.
But from when we've gone over with the media being influenced when it comes to
Kawhi Leonard, maybe they do need a little more direction in PARTI of who
they should be voting for. I don't know they need a ballot that just
has Kawhi Leonard five times on it for the he's been that good. It
is funny to see all of these large media outlets talking about how they are
on the side of the athletes who need the rest. Now now they're on
the side of it. It is funny, full circle. Interesting. H
hope they're all doing well. It's annoying. That's rough as a Clippers fan
to see that all of a sudden. That's what frustrates me the most about.
I'm just like, great, Okay, just shitch, we all agree.
Yeah, now we're all on board as like a torn acl all right.
Closing this one out, very important news. Patrick Patterson, former Clipper
great, a former member of the Best Friends Club, which was Reggie Jackson,
Patrick Patterson and Paul George on the Clippers, got his jersey retired by
his high school recently pretty sick, which had me wondering, what, Adam
will myself, Adam, if they had to retire your jersey at your high
school, what would your jersey have been retired for? Patrick Patterson's obviously for
basketball? What would jers have been? What would you have been retired for?
Uh? Would shop? No? Being a good Christian at the East
Group. That's probably the toughest one way. What I mean, I want
that thing touch and you can just tape it. It's on the cross over
the cross due. That's the hardest one to get. Bro. That seems
like, yeah, Will, what are they retired? What are they retiring
your jersey for it? Cole Strip High School? I don't know. Being
late, that's fair Hellgate High School? Woud again in me? Probably being
early? I needed that parking time. Casual has spoken. Yeah, all
right, that's that's a good time. This was a great time. The
Clippers are playing so well, what a fun time to talk about how great
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the show, Adam. One positive thing to send the Clippers fans out on
this gloomy Los Angeles, Noirrie night. The Clippers are so damn talented that
even without Paul George, all they needed to do was play one good quarter
and they could get up by twenty nine points against the Washington Wizards. So
even if they start off slow against Detroit, do not lose faith. This
team has the ability to flip a switch. We've seen it many times this
season. But yeah, it would be nice to see four quarters put together
of good basketball on Friday. And we need to save money on that give
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