WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:16.719 Get ready July five, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we 2 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.920 call a calendar. This the O'Kelly effect. You listening to us, hopefully 3 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:24.600 live, but if not, you're catching the podcast as most of you do, 4 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.359 and uh a lot of you not really listening to the calling show anymore. 5 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.840 On the podcast, I notice the drop in numbers, pretty drastic, 6 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:37.039 but you know it'll bounce back, because it always does. We just got 7 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:41.200 to hit the right topic. Guess who that's up to, Not us, 8 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.960 not me, be Pete my co host, No, not O'Kelly and b 9 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:49.439 Pete. It's actually up to you. You can call in and join us 10 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:55.039 three one nine five two seven five zero one six three one nine five two 11 00:00:55.079 --> 00:01:00.679 seven five zero one six or reach out to me Charles dot O'Kelly on Skype 12 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.239 and I will call you into the show if you so request it. But 13 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.280 yeah, you get to choose the topic, You get to talk about what 14 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.680 you want, and I want to try and move things along quicker through the 15 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:17.359 calls. So call up with something on your mind. It doesn't have to 16 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:21.159 be whatever the hell it is me and be Peter well kind of chewing up 17 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:25.599 time talking about You can bring up anything you want. We're talking politics. 18 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:30.920 You want to tell us about how KFC has gone downhill, no problem. 19 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.560 You want to call up and tell us about water main break in your local 20 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.400 area, what you observed, how it is your last ride in an ambulance 21 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.760 went, doesn't matter. If me and be Peter talking about sports, call 22 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.280 it and do it, break it up any which way you want. Three 23 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.879 one nine, five two seven five zero one six open lines. I'm not 24 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:57.079 sure if we have Aaron Franz tonight or not. Uh So I'm waiting on 25 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.840 word for that. If we do, good deal. If not, hey, 26 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.319 it's another Friday in the books and we'll move it along. I've actually 27 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:09.039 got one extra piece to play toward the end of the show, a legal 28 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:15.400 analysis about something that a lawyer did that well is a lot more confident than 29 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.360 something I tried to explain on an earlier show, So I thought, maybe 30 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:22.960 I'll play that, or maybe I'll save it for next week. Who knows. 31 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.599 By the way, next week, I will have two shows, if 32 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.319 all goes well, two shows with Joan Mellon coming up next week, one 33 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.599 of them on a subject which you've heard from her before on my show The 34 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.520 Kennedy assassination Jim Garrison for sure. But before we do that, you're going 35 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:46.080 to get a show from Joan about her brand new book, which is unusual, 36 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.479 not released yet, but I happen to have one right here in my 37 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:54.120 hands already, and I will figure out a way to make some free books 38 00:02:54.159 --> 00:03:02.080 available to people. It's called Sherlock Being Catfished. It's the shortest book I've 39 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.560 ever seen Joan Wright. I mean, I don't know, maybe her Bobby 40 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.159 Knight biography is shorter, but this is a super short book, and it 41 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:16.199 is a complete departure from what Joan generally writes. And I gotta say I'm 42 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:22.080 looking forward to discussing it whether it's going to be decidedly different. We'll do 43 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.960 that and a show on her two books on Jim Garrison, and then afterwards, 44 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.599 if you guys want shows with Joan, she has agreed to take your 45 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:35.520 feedback and work with it. So you want to talk about, you know, 46 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.759 our man in Haiti, you want to talk about the great Game in 47 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:42.479 Cuba, you want to talk about the Garrison books some more, whatever it 48 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.439 is, you guys, give me feedback for the following week. We'll hit 49 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.240 it on the show, So that's a special arrangement with Joan Mellon. Looks 50 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.280 like Larry Hancock will not be joining us next week but possibly the week after, 51 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.599 and we might have Mike Swanson back next week. So ought to be 52 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:03.439 an interesting on the show for sure. And before we get there, though, 53 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:10.120 tonight's business the open lines open mic three one nine five two seven five 54 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.039 zero one six. That's the number to call the O'Kelly effect, which is 55 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:18.439 live if you're hearing me, about twelve minutes after eight pm Eastern in what 56 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:23.160 we used to call America. So with that all being said, Bpete, 57 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.199 how you doing tonight? Man? What's on your mind? What kind of 58 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:32.519 plans you got? I mean, let's talk man. Oh, enjoying a 59 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:38.800 rare day off of work. We are able to capitalize on the holiday yesterday 60 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.959 and take the day off without having to burn any vacation, so we got 61 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.879 lucky there. And other than that, just doing some yard work and trying 62 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.639 to beat the heat. I think our heat index is up about one oh 63 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:53.759 seven today one eight. In fact, rally made the Drugs Report headlines with 64 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:58.000 a record high of one hundred and six, No kidding, So it's been 65 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:03.040 nice to see me here in the southeast. Yeah, definitely hot and humid 66 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:09.279 heavy over here in Georgia for sure. But I don't know, it's just 67 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:11.959 it's just wild man. It's it's gonna be a hot one this summer. 68 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.800 I'm sure. Hey, I got a weird question for you because you brought 69 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.800 up holidays and you know that whole let's add on to the holiday and okay, 70 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.240 since the holidays on a Friday, take the friday off, take the 71 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:26.439 Thursday, or you know all that kind of stuff. I got a question, 72 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.120 and it's weird because missus O brought this up to me the other day, 73 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.839 and I couldn't remember when it happened, but I'm sure it happened. 74 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:39.079 There used to be a time when if you just worked on a holiday, 75 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:45.399 and it was most nationally recognized holidays, most fair size companies, you know, 76 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.079 small to fair size companies would tell you that, look, if you 77 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:54.000 work on a holiday, we'll pay you a holiday wage. Now it might 78 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.560 be time and a half or something, but they paid you a holiday wage. 79 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.519 They started to back off that and now added all kinds of addendums. 80 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.399 But I don't remember when this came into play, because it used to be 81 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:09.199 real simple. If you were working on the fourth of July, you got 82 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.399 paid a holiday pay. If you were working on Christmas, you might have 83 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:18.040 got double time because that was special, you know, but relatively generally accepted 84 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.800 holidays, you got paid extra for it. But this change, I'm not 85 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.360 talking about the fact that a lot of people pulled back and tried to get 86 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.600 cheap on it, but they got weirder where they started adding other requirements right 87 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.879 where it's like, Okay, not only do we need you to work on 88 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:38.600 the fourth of July, but you're gonna have to work the day after or 89 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.720 the day before in order to collect your holiday pay on the fourth of July. 90 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.879 Now, like you said, you know, you took advantage of the 91 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.680 fact that it was close to the end of the week, so you end 92 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.240 up with the two days off. I mean, they did that too, 93 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.079 but it seems to me at one point it was pretty simple and strict. 94 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.720 You work on the holiday, you get paid holiday pay day after day before. 95 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.160 It doesn't matter, you know, that's just any other day. Well 96 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.439 down here in the South, it depends on whether you're working a union job 97 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:11.040 or not. Most union jobs they get all of the federal holidays and then 98 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.399 if you have to work on a holiday, you get a holiday differential. 99 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.000 If you work. I'll give you an example. When I worked at the 100 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.079 shipyard up in Norfolk. That was all union positions. So if you worked, 101 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.079 you worked your eight hours, you got straight pay. Anything over eight 102 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.639 hours a day was time and a half. If you worked on a weekend, 103 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.399 it was time and a half, and then after twelve hours it went 104 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:40.040 to double time. If you worked a holiday, it was double time. 105 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.199 But down here, down South, most non union places, it all depends 106 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:51.120 on the company and the industry. One example, Hickory is well known for 107 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:57.120 its furniture manufacturing. For years and years and years, most of the furniture 108 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.959 that you saw in most major stores, some part of it came out of 109 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:07.959 the Hickory area. So they were heavily into furniture production on all the associated 110 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:11.720 businesses, the frame manufacturers, the spring manufacturers, the phone manufacturers, the 111 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:18.920 fabric mills, and they would synchronize their systems. They took vacation twice a 112 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.279 year. They took it the week of July fourth, and they took it 113 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.399 the week of Christmas. That way nobody had to fight about scheduling time off. 114 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.080 They would also do their maintenance during those two weeks that they were down. 115 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.879 Any major teardowns of machinery and stuff like that, they had a week 116 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.600 to get it done, and that way everybody was in sync. You know, 117 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.799 if you really wanted to catch somebody that you've been looking for for years 118 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.120 and you knew they worked at a furniture plant, go to town one of 119 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.559 those two weeks, you'd be able to find it. Okay, you know, 120 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:54.720 everybody was on holiday at the same time. Down in our area, 121 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.279 I do a contract job, so the company on the people on contract with 122 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:05.080 they go buy all of the regular state holidays, which may not necessarily be 123 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:11.279 the federal holidays. State employees don't get too teeth. They don't get oh, 124 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.120 what is the other one to get? Veteran's Day? They get the 125 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.600 Columbus Day. That's a well, now they're calling it Indigenous People's Day in 126 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.360 some areas. I was going to say that special holiday that they don't get. 127 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.679 It's a federal holiday, so the state doesn't recognize it. So it 128 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.720 really all depends down south. You know, the old holiday differential and things 129 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:35.919 like that were usually associated with union positions, trucking. Okay, things of 130 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.279 that but here's the problem, right, there's only like five percent of old 131 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.000 jobs or union jobs anyway. And a union job, okay, you got 132 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.279 a collective contract, you got a collective bargain. I get it. So 133 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.720 you know, skip that, because that's not the majority of people I'm talking 134 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:56.240 about in just the free floating around. You got a job, and you're 135 00:09:56.320 --> 00:10:00.879 under a general sort of agreement of employment. It seems to me is though 136 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.679 the people out there, even though there's not supposed to be, you know, 137 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:09.559 a collective agreement among employers, they came to a collective conclusion at some 138 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.200 point and shifted this right where they resisted the holiday pay because, as per 139 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.759 usual, if they can squeeze you and you don't squeal, ill squeeze harder. 140 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.240 But the thing is, I think there was a point at which this 141 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.440 changed, and I don't remember when it happened, because there was a time 142 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.639 when I was working and you could almost assume any job, right except the 143 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.559 military, you know, and things like that. You know, the twenty 144 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.200 four hour there's no way you get out of it. Jobs, right, 145 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:41.799 you're always on duty sort of jobs. You're either on duty or not on 146 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.440 duty. That's it. It's not about vacation days. You know, you 147 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:50.320 know what I'm saying, like, but those again, that's under contract, 148 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:56.279 So skip the contracts. I mean the general sort of out there in society. 149 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:01.480 What rules does almost everybody else got to live by. It's weird because 150 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:03.399 it changed so years ago. You might have gotten more of it. Down 151 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.919 South has never been one for just given blanket holidays. He worked at a 152 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.879 fast fair or something like that. He was subject to work. And I 153 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.200 had a moved in high school. I had a job working in a movie 154 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.440 theater. I worked every holiday. That was our big days. It was 155 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:24.320 holidays. So Christmas is where you are. But but down South, down 156 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.039 South, I don't know. You know, we used to have blue laws 157 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:33.240 down here where you couldn't sell certain things on Sunday. I guess when they 158 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.000 started getting rid of blue laws and places started staying open seven days a week. 159 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.720 You know, I come from an area where a lot of things closed 160 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.639 at noon on Saturday and a lot of places weren't open on Sunday. No, 161 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.639 I think that's a phenomenon. Be fighting for years. No, I 162 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.039 get it, because like there was a town, yeah, but there was 163 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.960 in Jersey. There was some other places where they emphasized the holiday thing, 164 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:00.960 right, But there was a town in Jersey that were under that sort of 165 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.600 premise, Like you were talking about everything closes at noon on Saturday. No 166 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.960 way in hell anything's open on Sunday at all, you know, because it 167 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:11.799 was supposed to be for church, and the town was actually literally the land 168 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.320 was all owned by the Methodist Church. Even if you bought a house there, 169 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.759 you didn't own the land. You only owned the house. Okay, 170 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:22.000 so whatever, But the thing is not under stuff like that. Clearly, 171 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.159 you worked in a movie theater. It used to be. I don't know 172 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:28.000 today because movie theater business is different, but it used to be that Christmas 173 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.360 was a huge day, a lot of people nothing else to do because everything 174 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.960 else is closed. Christmas used to be huge for the movies. They scheduled 175 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.720 releases for Christmas releases convenience stores. As you well know, I worked in 176 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.720 that business. We didn't close our damn doors. Were you guys going to 177 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.120 be closed to the holiday? I used to get that question every year, 178 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.639 and I used to laugh at it, like, No, We're the one 179 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.960 kind of place that pretty much we don't even know where the lock to our 180 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.279 key. You know, our door is you know, because we don't close. 181 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.759 If we close, it's because you know, the powers out you know 182 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.720 what I'm saying. If we close, it's because they've shut off the town 183 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.840 and missed and redirected traffic away from us. I mean, otherwise, the 184 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:15.200 convenience store doesn't close, the gas pumps don't close, even in even exemptions 185 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.879 right where they declare a state of emergency for a snowstorm and whatever. Never 186 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.159 would I get ticketed for being on the road or somebody was driving me, 187 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.639 I should say, because I didn't drive. But never would somebody get ticketed 188 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.919 for driving when it was like, I'm bringing a gas station manager into a 189 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.600 gas station. Even the state police would go, oh okay, well that's 190 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.480 what we call essential workers. You know, before COVID, there were essential 191 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.639 workers. So I'd be considered an essential worker because I'm running a gas station 192 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.000 in the middle of a blizzard. Right. So there are some places that 193 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.480 don't close, and their rules are hard, and we don't care what your 194 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.440 holiday is. As a matter of fact, we're one of the places you're 195 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.559 looking for when the holidays are on and everything else is closed. Now I 196 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:00.440 know all that stuff changed, but again I'm not talking about that I'm talking 197 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:05.000 about. There used to be kind of an assumption and when we had those 198 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.919 twenty four hour businesses, like I always assumed and I was corrected about this, 199 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.159 by the way, while I was working pres on mobile, my assumption 200 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.720 was, you work on Christmas, I'm paying you Christmas pay one way or 201 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:22.200 another. Either they got a bonus for working that day, or they got 202 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:26.240 time and half for working that day, or they got double time. And 203 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.840 that's the way I handled Christmas. And then I had other people come to 204 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.600 me about other religions, and I added a Muslim Christmas to my calendar because 205 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.200 that's all I had. I didn't have to add Jews. I didn't have 206 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:39.840 any Jewish employees, so you know, I adjusted to the employees and gave 207 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:45.200 them that supreme holiday for their Christmas, so to speak. Right, And 208 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.639 this was sort of a thing that was done with a lot of businesses. 209 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:52.039 But again, there was an assumption. You worked on holiday, you got 210 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.200 paid more. Otherwise you would almost assume you were off, you know, 211 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:00.759 and not just and government facilities are. It was like you said, there's 212 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.279 government holidays. But again, when did this change though that they said this? 213 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.960 You know, now you've got to qualifier, right, you got to 214 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.279 work the day after and before or whatever in order to qualify. Because I 215 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:15.120 know some people would go, well, we'll just have Thanksgiving on Friday, 216 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.200 you know, and stuff like that when they worked in a business where they 217 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.960 couldn't get that holiday off, and people would constantly come to me about Thanksgiving, 218 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.600 Well what about Thanksgiving? I need that off. I started the trade 219 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:31.679 off program. You want Thanksgiving off, then you're agreeing that I can schedule 220 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.200 you for Christmas, you know, or if you want to work on Christmas, 221 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.759 I'll try and give you New Year's Eve off. Now, a lot 222 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.919 of younger employees like that, cause like I don't care about Christmas no more. 223 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.480 I'm twenty one. I want to go get loaded on New Year's Eve. 224 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.639 So I give them that day off. And why because well I give 225 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.679 them the first off. I give them New Year's Day off because also productive 226 00:15:54.720 --> 00:16:00.240 for me, no hangover employees showing up right. So you know, well, 227 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.399 I tried to work with what I had, and it was expected that 228 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.799 if you had to put out and be away from your family or be away 229 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.679 from the generally accepted fun activity, you got paid more. So I know 230 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:18.120 this like changed, and I just can't pick up on when it went from 231 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.279 being in the employees sort of advantage to being more on the employer's sort of 232 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.399 advantage. As far as the way these things would break down, I mean, 233 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.120 I was always considerate, but then again I got told things like I 234 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.240 was too soft hearted of a boss, you know, which is why I 235 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:38.440 would never succeed big in the business I was working in because I was too 236 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.600 nice of a boss. You know, I was too considerate of my employees. 237 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.720 I literally got I saw that written on a file one time, that 238 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:52.120 I was overly considerate to employees' concerns. That was a criticism against me. 239 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.159 Whatever. I mean, I'm not wearing it like a proud badge. It 240 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.399 just was. And I guess I don't. I don't deny it, disown 241 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.840 it. I don't deny it. It is what it is. But it 242 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.759 seemed to me that that was the way things used to be. And you 243 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.720 know, it may have been up north, like to say, and I've 244 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:12.839 never come across that down here in the South, and most of my working 245 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:18.359 life I've been living down here. But for example, I worked for the 246 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.480 state for a while with the Department Transportation. We always got good Friday off. 247 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.000 My ex wife worked for a private company. They always took Easter Monday 248 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.160 off. So for us to plan anything over that weekend and go out of 249 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.240 town, one of us had to take vacation for one day, where we 250 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.880 just shortened it to three days, you know. And another thing here when 251 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:44.079 you get paid holidays and that because of the federal regulations on overtime, it 252 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:48.400 affects what you get paid. Like normally our week is ten hours a day, 253 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.720 five or six days a week, sometimes twelve hours a day. It 254 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.960 just depends on which groups you've got into and what work on the job. 255 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.759 You know, you may have a contractor that gets there and he works till 256 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.200 dark, getting as much done as he can because it's gonna be well for 257 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.079 he comes back well with us. You know, the federal rule is you 258 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.279 have to work forty hours. Everything over that you work forty hours is time 259 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.400 and a half overtime. Right. Well, when you throw in this holiday 260 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.519 holiday, time is not time that you work. That's holiday pay. So 261 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.000 for this week, I work ten hours Monday, ten hours Tuesday, ten 262 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.359 hours Wednesday. All right. That's got me at thirty hours eight hours on 263 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:30.160 Thursday for the holiday. All right. So I've worked thirty eight hours, 264 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:36.480 but I've only actually worked thirty I have to work ten hours on Friday to 265 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:41.200 get the forty to where I get paid time and a half for those eight 266 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.720 hours over the forty hours. You see what I'm saying. If I don't 267 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.119 work, I did not work that Friday, so thirty eight hours. If 268 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.160 I work three hours on Friday, it gives me a total of forty one 269 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.880 hours, but I don't get paid time and a half for that one hour 270 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:03.200 over forty because I only actually physically worked thirty one hours thirty nine forty. 271 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.319 It's just it depends on what work you're doing, where you're doing it at, 272 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.839 and whether you're dealing with state or federal regulations. I had down South. 273 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:17.839 We've never never been one that really pushed the holiday pay thing where it 274 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.160 was an extra setive. Now, some places like hospitals nursing staff, they've 275 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.200 worked out in a lot of their contracts where if they work graveyard shift, 276 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.319 they get a pay differential for every hour work. A lot of them will 277 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.680 do the rotation thing on holidays. Well, last year you had Christmas, 278 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.960 so this year you have to work Christmas. They work it out that way, 279 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.839 but just based on extra pay for holidays. That's really been missing down 280 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:47.160 here for quite some time. Okay, all right, so I guess it 281 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:49.680 does vary regionally a little bit. Standard, Yeah no, but the last 282 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.240 thing is that you brought up something interesting. Here is the other part of 283 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:59.039 it, the overnight differential too. That was something that again when I first 284 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:03.160 learned, you know, my business side of things, that was a given. 285 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.319 You paid somebody a little more who had to work graveyard. There was 286 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.240 always a little incentive to do the graveyard because one way or another it had 287 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:17.319 special qualities to it. And you're now in a position of really sleeping during 288 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.680 the day some point, so it kind of does have an impact on your 289 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.119 life. So it was thought, you know, give them something. And 290 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.799 again, if you've got to collective bargaining situation, it's one thing. But 291 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.480 on the other hand, there was this sort of given idea. Now, 292 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.920 I know today, you're kind of in an unusual situation even today, because 293 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:40.279 a lot of run of the mill jobs like unskilled labor or stuff that you 294 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:42.559 can learn on the job where you don't have to have a specialty in schooling 295 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:48.279 to go into immediately. You don't have even the guarantee. You know, 296 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.720 the forty hour work week disappeared. Now a lot of people think that disappeared 297 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.880 because of Obamacare, but that's not true. Before Obama was in office, 298 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:03.440 during W's era, there was a cascade effect where I saw and I saw 299 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:10.079 it encouraged in corporate papers in a few different corporations where they was handed down 300 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.240 from on high. Don't have full time employees. Run them at thirty hours, 301 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:21.039 run them at twenty five hours. This is what they wanted us to 302 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.599 do. This was more ideal. You should not keep that many full time 303 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:29.279 employees. You know, if you have a staff of eight, the most 304 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:32.519 that should be there. You have a staff of eight, don't count your 305 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:37.400 manager. There's your salary position. And you should have one assistant manager who 306 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.720 is on a full time slate. Everybody else should be part timers of one 307 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.839 type or another. And that was the competitive tier that they wanted things to 308 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:53.079 be switched to, which was weird. Yes, the majority of jobs that 309 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:56.599 have been added in the past two years have been there. They've been part 310 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:00.799 time jobs and people picking up second and third jobs just to get the extra 311 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.799 hours to be able to make ends meet. That's the big thing now and 312 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:07.599 but my line of work, Yeah, it's kind of exempt from that because 313 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:12.119 we're in construction and construction works twenty four to seven until the job's done. 314 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.240 You've got a contract where you've got to get this product out by a certain 315 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:18.880 date. So you do what you do. You do what you have to 316 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.720 do to get it done. So you know, when you come to work 317 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.400 for a company like mine, that's first thing they ask you. You know, 318 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.599 are you in a situation where you can't work any more than forty hours? 319 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.759 Yeah, well we don't need you. We need somebody that's willing to 320 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.759 work the hours. I mean, I've put in as much as you know, 321 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.759 seventy hours a week. It's just you do what you got to do 322 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:42.839 to get the job done. Now, we would love to do it with 323 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:47.920 part time people. It would really keep the costs down in what we have 324 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.240 to do to bid our jobs. You know, we bid our services to 325 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.640 people that hire us to do certain things. In the engineering world, we 326 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:02.240 have to be realistic about our charges and our prices and our overhead. But 327 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.599 to get a contract, you know, you're competing with christ There must be 328 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:10.440 thirty other engineering firms in this state that are competing for the same jobs that 329 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.079 we are. Ye see, but again in your situation, it's different because 330 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.599 it's counterproduction. It would love to do it with part time people. The 331 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.920 problem is we can't find the people to do it full time, let alone 332 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.839 those are qualified to do it part time. Yeah, but it's short sighted. 333 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:29.480 It's short sighted to use part timers to try and do what you're doing. 334 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.839 You need people to stay on the job because if you have that constant 335 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.960 rotation, that adds in and see, these are the factors that they forgot 336 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.319 about, you know when they started doing this. Is that now that's you 337 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.440 know, five more shifts where you've got people that can show up late, 338 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:47.039 call out, sick, et cetera. You know, you need the full 339 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.079 time employees make more sense. Even if they cost a little bit upfront, 340 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:55.359 they save money in the aggravation and then the shuffling and then the you losing 341 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:59.279 time on your job issues. So that's one thing. But on the other 342 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.920 hand, the last part of this that I wanted to bring up to you 343 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.079 and we got looks like we got Jimmy on the line and anybody else wants 344 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:08.680 to join us. Three one nine five, two seven five zero one six 345 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:15.440 three one nine five two seven five zero one six. But the other thing 346 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.599 about this is not only did they encourage it across the board, it's not 347 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:23.640 the past two years. I'm talking about this being a repeated you know, 348 00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:30.640 like a mantra that went out through a lot of corporate structures in franchises. 349 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.640 I was very familiar with franchises at that point, but then there were other 350 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:41.160 corporate structures like hospitals and stuff like that where they wanted certain staff to be 351 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.839 treated this way as well, where they changed that, like the ones that 352 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:48.680 weren't necessarily with the nurses union or whatever that you know, like your your 353 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.359 what do they call them, the aids, the nurses' aids or the added 354 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.680 health aids or whatever that they called them. When they started really bleeding out 355 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:03.160 and getting rid of the LPN position, the license practical nurse, they turned 356 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.880 around and said, use rotate those people. And the formula was virtually the 357 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.839 same for a convenience store as it was for nurses' aids. Because again, 358 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:15.400 it's a I mean, practically, think about it. It's a twenty four 359 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:19.799 hour business. You have to have an employee that's staffed there and is active 360 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.119 for those twenty four hours, So you know, let's just say you work 361 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.880 on eight hour shifts and you begin at six am. You know, you 362 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.960 got somebody working ten to six am, and the third shift, that person 363 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.880 might get fifty cents or a dollar more an hour, but that's it. 364 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.240 They would do the same thing. They said, you know what, if 365 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.039 you create four shifts, it's a little more paperwork, but here's where you 366 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:47.039 save all your money, and then everybody's easily replaced in the rotation. So 367 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.559 that was encouraged from if you were selling candy, or if you were propping 368 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.559 up pillows, you know what I mean, or if you were running a 369 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:57.920 seven eleven, or gas pumps, you know, or sandwiches. It seemed 370 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:03.359 like all the service especially got into this, you know what, break them 371 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:10.279 down into very easily replaceable modules that are not fully integrated into the business, 372 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:15.440 that don't draw you know, required pay raises, that don't draw required health 373 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:19.319 coverage or any of this stuff that we had by policy. Then Obamacare came 374 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.519 along and they had that whole you know what, if you're if you're a 375 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:27.640 full time employee, you're entitled to and boom, all of a sudden, 376 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:30.759 anybody who was hanging on to the you know, let me try and get 377 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:36.440 people forty hours. They magically started giving people thirty, so in case they 378 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.880 had to keep people extra a couple hours here or there, they would never 379 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:45.160 scratch the forty hour mark, right, and therefore never qualify for well, 380 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:51.240 your employer has to be partially responsible for your health care. So that happened 381 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.079 though after W, before W was in there, I mean, geez, 382 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:56.799 let me think here, Clinton is still in there. In ninety six, 383 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.680 ninety seven, ninety eight, during Clinton's time, this started to happen all 384 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.200 right. Now, you know, this is when money more twenty four hour 385 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.319 businesses started up, and I think we went to a much more twenty four 386 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.000 hour I mean, that's the first time I saw a twenty four hour Walmart, 387 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.640 and you know, clearly had cash available all the time. Banking started 388 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.440 to be, you know, through machines a little more automated in the US, 389 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.960 as opposed to I gotta wait for the bank to open to go cash 390 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:32.039 a check. You know. So business changed a little bit and employment changed 391 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:37.640 heavily. But I just can't mark when there was this sort of like we'll 392 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.759 screw them when it comes to the holidays. I don't know. And again, 393 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:42.359 like I said, some things are totally out of this conversation, like 394 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.559 military or whatever. But let's get to the calls and you know, maybe 395 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.960 we'll continue this conversation or maybe Jimmy James will off for something else, and 396 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.839 you guys listening, you can offer something completely different as they say, you 397 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.400 know, latest TV show you want to talk about the fireworks yesterday, which, 398 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.839 by the way, I posted a YouTube video of missus O lighting a 399 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.240 giant bottle rocket last night, and you know, she stuck the stick in 400 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:14.279 the ground too hard, beat Pete, so one of those you know, 401 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:22.079 multiple popping, spraying, freaking bottle rockets didn't launch, so it just kind 402 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.559 of went pop on the ground there and blew up all over the front yard. 403 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.720 And I got that YouTube video up there on the Charles o'celly channel. 404 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.079 We don't have enough Chelli Effect channel anymore, but it's up there. And 405 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.400 I was thinking of sharing a couple more videos of us lighting fireworks last night 406 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:45.559 because the whole neighborhood was firing guns and fireworks and it was hysterical. The 407 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.319 one yard, a couple of streets, a couple of houses down was like, 408 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:52.359 I don't know, semi automatic rifle, I guess being fired for some 409 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.599 reason, along with bottle rockets and so on and so forth, and a 410 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.440 couple of the Fanci or Bigger bad Boys that probably went on sale yesterday because 411 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.279 some people were overstocked. And that's how we got ours overstocked cheap, quick 412 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.279 cut, cutthroat, get rid of it quick, last minute sale. Anyways, 413 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.640 so we'll go to Jimmy James and see where the conversation takes us. 414 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:22.960 What do you say, Bpete sounds good to be alrighty, So Jimmy, 415 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.400 it's up to you. I mean, you can go with what we're talking 416 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.480 about or go in another direction. It's all you brother. How you doing 417 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:38.920 I'm doing already. Yeah, let's listen to the taste. I can't say 418 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.839 when it changed, apparently after I got the military, because I don't When 419 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.359 I was a truck driver, I used to make triple time when I've worked 420 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:56.240 on Halid Base. Yeah, I had a friend a fairly close well, 421 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.720 I've had a couple of friends who were in the you know, trucking industry, 422 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.039 you know the big rig stuff you talking about that kind of trucking or 423 00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:12.640 like interstate Yeah, I mean I drew a straight truck cause I had to 424 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:18.400 get a CBO. Okay, so you needed a commercial driver's license, you 425 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.480 know. I'm pretty sure that's also what Harland does. We haven't heard from 426 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:26.480 him in a while, but I think he's currently a trucker and so trucking. 427 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.880 I'm not sure if that's one of those industries that didn't become affected by 428 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:34.480 all this, but clearly they wanted to pay some guys to make runs a 429 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.759 little more money during holiday time because I mean, you know, if you 430 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.519 take a run on the twenty fourth and you got to go from you know, 431 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:47.480 Detroit to I don't know, let's pick a place, Palm Beach, 432 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.400 Florida, you ain't making an home for Christmas, you know, so, 433 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.440 I mean you know, then they used to pay your extra on that run. 434 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.240 Yeah, luckily I was state. I mean I allays was home. 435 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:08.559 Say well sometimes not always. There's a few times I ended up staying elsewhere, 436 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.160 but always tried to make it going. Okay, so you had more 437 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.920 of a day job as a trucker, like not like staying away from home 438 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.680 like half of the months and this kind of thing. Then right, oh 439 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.960 yeah, yeah, no, I'd get up, I'd go in at like 440 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:32.440 six in the morning and if anything's going right, I should be back three 441 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.599 four in the afternoon. Yes, for summers, which was our big time, 442 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.039 in which case it was just misery. I might not be done to 443 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.039 three in the morning and I have to go back in at six in the 444 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.079 morning. Did you happen to deliver food where you were like a food delivery 445 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:56.319 guy or do something else? That tobacco, That tobacco candy was our big 446 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.240 things. Okay, so yeah, okay, I get it. So you 447 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.559 kind of had a day job with that where you know, you could be 448 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.000 expected to get home, but sometimes it ran over and you had I get 449 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.759 it. Okay, So I'm getting a picture here. But when you would 450 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.200 work a holiday, I mean, you got to admit it's different if, 451 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.640 like I say to you, look, Jimmy, you got to make this 452 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.119 run to California and they would pay you, you know, by the mile, 453 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.759 right, A lot of those kind of jobs you're you're aware of those 454 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.920 kind of jobs right where it's like you get so much per mile. And 455 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.920 okay, so you got an eight hundred dollars run, right. Oh they 456 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.519 tried, you know what they tried. They were trying to guess to go 457 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.319 to salary to its just said no, no, no, I'm good, 458 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.720 I'm good. Yeah. Oh but look how much you better make how much? 459 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.839 Look how much better you'd make out my wanner as it? Oh I 460 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.160 know, but look how much I would lose in the summer. Yeah. 461 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.119 Well see, And that's the crazy thing, like I had. I was 462 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.359 friendly with a couple of people, and and people never believe me when I 463 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.200 say this. You guys might not believe me either. But you know, 464 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.960 the company that makes uh all together, that sort of came together making stuff 465 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:08.559 like Twinkies and ring dings and wonderbread like wonderbread, drapes and hostess, right, 466 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:15.680 was all under one thing called US Bakeries. And so they had their 467 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.400 own delivery drivers. And you might have seen them around town anywhere you are, 468 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.799 you know, with the twinkie the kid on the side of their truck 469 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.759 or wonder giant Wonderbread picture or whatever. And those guys would only deliver that 470 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:31.759 product and they would service stores. Well, it's funny because to me when 471 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.480 they went ended up going out of business shortly after and they were bankrupt, 472 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.480 completely gone. Somebody revived them a little while later after they sold their recipes, 473 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.559 which is why today you see the Tasty Cake has their version of like 474 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.599 what used to look like a Hostess cupcake and stuff like that. They wound 475 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.799 up selling off a lot of their stuff in bankruptcy because they couldn't keep it 476 00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.119 together. It seems to me as though the drivers made certain demands, and 477 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.279 like I heard what they were getting paid. I thought they were getting paid 478 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.280 really really well to you know, to deliver twinkies and bread pretty much, 479 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.920 and they were complaining about it. And it seemed to me as though the 480 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.960 struggle with their drivers started a cascade effect that literally destroyed the company. I 481 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.840 mean, I know they're back out there nowadays, but that was after a 482 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.159 serious reorganization and stuff. And it seems to me that problem all started with 483 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.880 the transportation issue that combined with the fact that fuel prices skyrocketed at a certain 484 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:37.559 point, crushed them. But when I point that out to people, they're 485 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.320 like, nah, it was just bad business and blah blah blah. But 486 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.559 how the hell are you going to tell me that Twinkies, ring Ding's Wonderbread 487 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.920 all went out of business in America? You know, because what you know, 488 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.079 it's not like people didn't want those products. It's not like they weren't 489 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:59.039 selling. Their sales didn't really dip except in places where they had transportation issues. 490 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.199 I think so only the transportation issue destroyed US bakeries. But I don't 491 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.800 know what you guys think about that. But I've had somebody tell me that 492 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.679 I'm out of my mind, that it was all about mismanagement, And in 493 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.239 fact, they told me it was because of liberal management back then, some 494 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.320 kind of political crap. But I don't recall, you know, Twinkie the 495 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.320 kid out there pushing for abortion or anything. I must have missed it. 496 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.800 But anyways, well, years ago though, they were bought out by one 497 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:31.440 company that threw them under the umbrella of all their other diversified companies. And 498 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.840 then somehow in the breakup of that company, they started going downhill making money 499 00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:45.159 because of the best difference between outlay and income. Right. But yeah, 500 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.719 I mean, but you know, I think you can run up. Yeah, 501 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.519 but they run a business in the ground by putting it with another business, 502 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.920 and the other business is the woe of the problems. But it takes 503 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.079 down the whole of the whole structure. No, I get it, But 504 00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:00.639 that explanation doesn't satisfy me. For this reason, what they did is they 505 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.119 consolidate. Okay, Wonderbread was you used to just be a Wonderbread, you 506 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.239 know, a factory driver, all that, right, And then you had 507 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.760 literally a hostess guy who would go around with the twinkies, the fruit pies, 508 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:17.519 the cupcakes, and they had all these separated things. They acquired Drakes. 509 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.280 Okay, Drake's Cakes was a separate issue. They acquired Drake's Cakes, 510 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.159 and then they started trying to figure out how to get rid of the duplicate 511 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.480 products, you know, like why am I going to put the same thing 512 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.639 next to you know, like if Drakes has a cupcake that's really similar to 513 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.760 the Hostess cupcake, get rid of it. Drakes has a Yankee doodle Okay, 514 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.239 they used to give you three in the package. That was the big 515 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.360 drawl with Yankee doodles to me. They were both cream filled. But anyways, 516 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:46.840 the cupcakes, okay, so maybe we get rid of one of the 517 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.519 cupcakes. They both make little donuts, which one sells better, will keep 518 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:54.400 the Drake's donuts theoretically, you know, stuff like that. But they combined 519 00:36:54.519 --> 00:37:00.719 three successful brands, and it seemed to me as though transportation and now became 520 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:07.320 easier because they consolidated the trucks to where every truck that carried wonderbread now, 521 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.840 you know, And actually some people lost jobs there because they it became redundant. 522 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.760 Right now, three delivery drivers go into one store. You don't need 523 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.119 them all, so you know, one guy carries three kinds of stuff, 524 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.920 no problem. They made a few more runs, they had a few more 525 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.840 drivers. They bounced it out. Maybe they lost part of their workforce, 526 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:32.400 but they survived that part. When the gas price started jumping and there was 527 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.800 this dispute with their you know, now consolidated fleet of delivery people, that's 528 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.360 when all of a sudden that US Bakery's umbrella you're talking about, like crashed. 529 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.320 And I could never understand it because it was like you're telling me that 530 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:51.079 you put a bunch's. That's almost like saying, look, i'm gonna take 531 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:57.000 Burger King, McDonald's and uh Taco Bell, okay, and I'm gonna combine 532 00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.119 those companies. And now that's just these three things. So that means that 533 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.000 if I got delivery trucks, maybe my McDonald's delivery truck goes to and it 534 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:09.400 seems like I actually saved money. Now three successful brands, and if we 535 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:14.000 don't affect the flow of anything. We should be all good and in fact 536 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:19.880 cut the overhead. But the overhead issue literally started the snowball that blew it 537 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.239 all up, Which was strange to me because who doesn't recognize wonderbread, Drakes 538 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:30.599 and you know, hostess as like staple things in America pretty much in the 539 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.320 seventies, eighties, and nineties, but they crashed. I don't know, 540 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.920 it's to me, it's weird, Jimmy, what are your thoughts about it? 541 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:44.679 Yeah, Twinkies, Nah, that had to have been some kind of 542 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:50.079 weird bad management, bad everything, because those things sell off the shelves. 543 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.079 I mean, you'd think if I'm telling you, look, you gotta let's 544 00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.800 bet money on which, by the way, we got some bets coming up, 545 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.559 Jimmy. And there may be something we got to talk about regarding sentencing, 546 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:07.639 not today, but keeping in mind that's coming up soon. But to 547 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.159 me, it seems like I'm going to give you three successful businesses, put 548 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.800 them together and just don't f it up. You know, like, how 549 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.199 do you screw that up? I mean, I guess you know, how 550 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.679 do you look? Would It's it's completely understandable considering I mean, if you 551 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:31.480 look at the old Interstate Bakeries, which was the company before Hostess went out 552 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.719 on its own. They had Wonder Bread, Nature's Pride, Dolly Madison, 553 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:42.679 Butternup Breads, and Drape brands. So up until twenty twelve when they had 554 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:47.880 to close and liquidate because of bankruptcy, you know, they were carrying what 555 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.000 one, two, three, four, five, six, seven major brands, 556 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.840 and yeah, there was a lot of overlap. They bought Marita Bakeries, 557 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:05.239 which was Marita is a huge baker in the Southeast. So in purchasing 558 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.000 these things and acquiring the debt of these other companies over time, Yeah, 559 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.639 eventually they had to file bankruptcy. On what you saw come out of it 560 00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:19.239 was three or four mergers and changes and everything else. In the past six 561 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.320 years, they've changed hands like four different times since they came back out as 562 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:28.039 Hostess brands. Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, as you to understand the 563 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:31.039 company it's been around ninety four years. Eventually having to close the doors just 564 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:37.159 because the accumulated debt of all those brands and the competition between areas, you 565 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:43.440 know, it's not business became very expensive for businesses here the last thirty years, 566 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.960 and you're seeing loops like that falling out. But it just seems unusual 567 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.079 to me that when you have something that's durable, that has good cash flow. 568 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.920 I mean, for God's sakes, Netflix stay afloat for like a decade, 569 00:40:55.039 --> 00:41:00.199 losing millions of dollars every year and didn't have to close their doors, 570 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.159 you know what I mean. It's weird. Well, that's because the people, 571 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.360 but the people that were back and it had the ability to absorb those 572 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:14.199 losses. The families that were involved with Interstate Bakeries, it just couldn't handle 573 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.239 it. They couldn't float it for that long before they could get rid of 574 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.320 the things that were dragging them down. And I'm trying to remember the order, 575 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:22.800 because it was Interstate Bakeries. Then there was some like fly by night 576 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.440 thing that was in between, and then it was US Bakeries. And so 577 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.519 there's Interstate US and those are the big consolidation groups. And never yeah, 578 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:38.320 I've never seen US Bakeries named in there in their line of history. Yeah, 579 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:43.480 it was always Interstate Bakeries and interstate brands. Yeah. I signed a 580 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.519 contract with US Bakeries, so I know it was a US Bakeries was literally 581 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.719 the name. And I was like I made a joke to the guy at 582 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.360 the time, I'm like, that's real original. You know I was making 583 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.079 I was making jokes back then because it seemed to me like every Pakistani or 584 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.440 Korean guy that started a business always had to go out and like, you 585 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:06.719 know, call it something that they thought sounded American, and you knew like 586 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.639 the level of English the guy was gonna speak to you when you dealt with 587 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:13.159 him, based on what he called his company. You know, when it 588 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.599 was called you know, Big Happy Cowboy dry Cleaner, you know, it 589 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.639 was like, yeah, dude, that makes no sense, but you threw 590 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.480 together some English words, so you knew you were going to get a guy 591 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.719 speaking broken English to you. But when you saw something that was like, 592 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.440 you know, a complete sentence or a brand that sounded like, you know, 593 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:30.880 it was kind of catchy or whatever, you knew you were going to 594 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:37.039 deal with somebody who was a little more sophisticated linguistically. But I remember looking 595 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.400 at that going US Bakery. How original. You know, everybody's calling something 596 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.599 America because it's all patriotism time. This is that hyper patriotism post nine to 597 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:52.079 eleven, So everybody started calling themselves American or US or United States or you 598 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.880 know what I mean, and it was mixed into the names. So I 599 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.519 remember US Bakery specifically as being one of the consolated nation elements, but I 600 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.400 cannot recall the order these things went in. Probably we could research it and 601 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.239 figure it out, but to me, I don't know. It's strange when 602 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:13.400 you see something that's making money quite well, it's like you got a high 603 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.400 positive cash flow, you should be able to figure out how to you know, 604 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.800 keep it running. I know, things got more expensive and regulations and 605 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.079 people would say, oh and then they added stuff to your payroll problems and 606 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:30.519 yeah. But even so, other things survived that don't seem to be as 607 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.079 you know, popular or well known as as flexible and durable with the public 608 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.159 when it comes to sales. You know, here we go. That was 609 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:45.599 in twenty thirteen states the United States Bakery won the auction for four Northwestern or 610 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.679 Hostess bakeries. Yeah. See there's a twenty thirteen for thirty point eight five 611 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.480 million. Now that's how the clue was approved. The brands were Eddie's Grandma, 612 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.679 Grandma and Meals, Stendis Farms, and Sweethete of Sweetheart Bakeries, which 613 00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.280 Hostess owned, but auction them off as part of their liquidation. Right so, 614 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.840 as of December twenty fifteen, the rights to the Baker's Inn and Dutch 615 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.199 Hearth brands remain unsold. So one, two, three, four, Yeah, 616 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:22.320 US Bakeries bought four of Hostess's bakeries in twenty thirteen, right now, 617 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.960 some of that same more out of the out of the myriad that they had 618 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.960 across the US right now. A couple of years previous to that, there 619 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.800 was a whole bunch of mess going on because they sold off a bunch of 620 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.000 recipes and all of a sudden, like I said, Tasty Cake, you 621 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.800 know the typical Hostess cupcake which has the white squiggle on it on the top 622 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.079 of it, All of a sudden, Tasty Cake had the same formula and 623 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.599 they were putting out their version of it because they bought the recipe as part 624 00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.519 of the liquidation. It was funny because it was like those brands were meant 625 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.400 to disappear, but then they re emerged through this reorganization. So Tasty Cake 626 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.599 bought it and somebody else ended up with a similar issue, and it was 627 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.800 like, no, there's no trademark issue or anything else, because they literally 628 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:15.239 hell Flower Foods bought Flower Foods bought six of Hostess's brands of bread. They're 629 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:21.719 including Wonderbreads or twenty thirteen. Wonder Bread left Interstate Bakeries, which became Hostess 630 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.519 brands and went to Flower Foods. I see, there you go. They 631 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:30.880 also make the butternut Let's see. The deal went through a bankruptcy court at 632 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.719 March was completed into July of twenty thirteen to five brands Butternut Bread, Home 633 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.400 Pride, Marina Bread's, Nature's Pide, and Wonderbread all went to Flowers Bakeries 634 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.840 or Flowers Foods. All right, So in the interest of moving things along, 635 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.840 though, Jimmy, I'm gonna put you on hold. I got another 636 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.679 caller, but I want to come back to you probably when we get a 637 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:57.039 topic that's more to your liking. Okay, what do you think? Meanwhile, 638 00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.840 think about it on your own, because I think you're you got something 639 00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:01.920 on your mind and I didn't really fairly let you get to it. But 640 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.840 I also don't want to keep people waiting too long because then they tend to 641 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.599 hang up. So let's see, we got a nine to one six area 642 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.440 code looks like I think I got you live, and uh, what's up 643 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:21.719 by good evening? Check it's standing out here in California. I just woke 644 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:31.760 up and started hearing the conversation about the closest bakeries in Danny. Sorry, 645 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:35.199 I was just saying, Danny and Kelly, it's great to hear from you, 646 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.559 and I'm sure you got something to say about this. I wasn't trying 647 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:42.280 to push it as a topic. It's just that we started talking about jobs 648 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.239 and how employment has changed, and then we got into trucking, and it 649 00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.320 just reminded me that it seemed to me the big implosion of you know, 650 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.079 whatever the group was going to be called, during the shuffling of Hostess and 651 00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.400 Wonderbread and Drake's and all that and all these other minor brands that I can't 652 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:06.320 even remember. It all happened at this weird time where transportation and problems with 653 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.239 their fleet came up, and it seemed like it undid the whole company. 654 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.840 But these guys are telling me, like everybody tells me now, it was 655 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.800 mismanagement. It looks like it's some kind of mismanagement. But I don't know. 656 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:20.920 I think it's one of those things that's symptomatic of what goes wrong though, 657 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.760 because again it's a very popular, recognizable thing. I mean, find 658 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:29.400 somebody in America who's been here for more than I don't know a year who 659 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:34.199 hasn't sampled probably the majority of the products we're talking about. They are the 660 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:38.440 prominent products. They're given special treatment and grocery stores and everything. And to 661 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.159 me, it's like, how do you lose money? I mean, I 662 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.960 know, I still haven't solved the mystery of how you lose money on three 663 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.559 casinos in Atlantic City, but this is even weirder to me. So anyway, 664 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.719 sorry, Danny, go ahead. No no, no, no, 665 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.000 you filled me in a little bit. Like I said, I didn't hear 666 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.760 the beginning of the conversation. I had another topic. But I do have 667 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.440 some insight on this particular topic. I'm pretty sure that all those mergers is 668 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:12.920 it was private equity companies. And how they work is they have there they 669 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:21.159 basically frontload a lot of the debt and they're taking fees and stock options and 670 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:24.119 they just squeeze everything out of it. And I have a lot of experience 671 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:30.079 in the food delivery businesses, have been in Fall since November nineteen eighty six, 672 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:36.559 and the particular company I work for is a privately held company. It's 673 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:43.880 a hold these companies. It's international and five continents, and they basically have 674 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.519 a whole different business concept there. They don't want to be bought out. 675 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:52.360 I have no clue of their profitability because they don't have to open their book 676 00:48:52.440 --> 00:49:02.039 because they're not open. But they basically had a buyers committee where it is 677 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:07.480 the particular brand, the company I work for, and the franchises, and 678 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:14.960 they get together and they are very well coordinated there. What their outlay of 679 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:20.360 their profits are going to be their service. It's a whole different concept of 680 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.840 how to actually run the business. For a lot of these private equipons, 681 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.880 it is a whole difference has to be how they finance it, and that's 682 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.880 how they mismanagement. When you're looking at such a popular brand that doesn't make 683 00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.239 any sense. I hope what I ad and makes some sense. No, 684 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.679 I got you. So what you're telling me is I should be searching in 685 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.079 the area of the corporate raiders who come through and usually try to go, 686 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:51.559 well, gee, if we manage this a little differently, I can spend 687 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.280 less money, We cut down on costs, and in a lot of cases, 688 00:49:54.320 --> 00:50:00.320 what they do is they design incentives for saying themselves and turn around and 689 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:06.920 wind up bleeding money out instead of investing the money back in the business because 690 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.559 of the fact is they're looking to, you know, to skim legally, 691 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:16.360 and if they skim. Look at the whole Seers debacle when Kmart bought them. 692 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.280 You know, Kmart for years was was floundering, right and they were 693 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.519 trying to find a buyer to take them over. Their problem was they built 694 00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:30.400 too many megastores in such a short time. They put themselves out of business 695 00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.440 basically, I mean, their debtload was outrageous. So what do they do. 696 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.519 They go and buy Sears and in the process of buying Sears now connected 697 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:44.119 with Walmart, and Walmart is spiraling the bowl. It took Sears down with 698 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:50.960 them to where right before they closed the doors, they're selling off Craftsmen, 699 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:58.039 Ken Moore, all of their brand names. I think Stanley eventually ended up 700 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.079 buying Craftsmen. In the tool which was bought by somebody else. It's probably 701 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:05.239 made by behind food Style, you know, they're probably in the tool business. 702 00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:09.480 And who was these guys operated? It was by the by the company. 703 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:15.280 See what assets we can sell to make our salves big bonuses and then 704 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.840 we'll just fold the doors one way and go find another business to buy. 705 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.599 I got you was Whirlpool, the one that made Maybe I'm mixing it up. 706 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.559 Whirlpool was separate, maybe, but there was like another brand that also 707 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.400 made their like washers and dryers and oh well, at one time. At 708 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:36.039 one time ken More brands were ken More. After a while you had them, 709 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:43.039 you had some companies making like hot Point, uh, hot Point, 710 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.880 I forget the other one anyway, Sunbeam or somebody that's in the appliance business 711 00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.559 they started making them. But yeah, Craftsman was made by other companies, 712 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.440 but the Craftsmen logo was put on it. They were certain requirements for us 713 00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.880 and such. Yeah, that's crafts and that's the tool. And that pissed 714 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.519 a lot of people off. But I'm talking about that like washing machines or 715 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:10.360 air conditioners. There was some company logo that like basically just assuming pull and 716 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.360 hot Point are made well, and that's something else. Whirlpool and hot Point, 717 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.719 yeah, some of their factories were cranking out Craftsmen stuff. But there's 718 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.840 also products made for Whirlpool and hot Point that are made by other companies. 719 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:28.679 They just put the you know, it's like it's like riding lawnmowers. And 720 00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:34.079 in the United States there's like three manufacturers of most of the riding lawnmowers that 721 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:38.760 you see in Lows and Ace Hardware and anywhere that you can go buy lawnmower 722 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:45.440 chances are made by three companies. White was a huge manufacturer of lawnbowing equipment, 723 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.440 and they just put whoever was sponsoring that run, whether it was Toro 724 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.679 or a Snapper or craftsmen, their logo went on it, with their colors 725 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:58.800 and their decals. I mean, it's basically the same thing you can go 726 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.599 buy a toy build about twenty years ago. It has made it the same 727 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:09.239 place that most of your cub Cadet and other places putting out mowers car all 728 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.199 came out of the same factory, just different color, different details, right, 729 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.639 And you see that a lot in the impliance business, right, Just 730 00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.280 like in nineteen eighty, you know, Sears came out with their Atari twenty 731 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.000 six hundred, which didn't say Atari on it. It literally had a Sears 732 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:25.840 logo on it, and I think you know people went, oh, okay, 733 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.960 kids aren't gonna like this. It didn't last too long, but believe 734 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.719 it or not. You know, you remember the old twenty six hundred Ataris. 735 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:36.960 Those things were out there and had a Sears logo on them, but 736 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.800 everything else about the machine was virtually exactly the same. So it's like the 737 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:45.599 atario that's been going on in the car business for fucking decades. I mean, 738 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.760 I bought one of the last Suzuki Samurai sold in the state of North 739 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.280 Carolina because they quit importing them. Or once you pop the hood, everything 740 00:53:54.320 --> 00:54:00.159 on that car was Mitsubisi. Everything on that car was Mitsubisi except for the 741 00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:05.760 Suzuki Samurai decals stuck on the body. Yeah, so you know, you 742 00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.400 look at the deal. You know, look at the old Plymouth I had 743 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.599 a Smith laser was the exact same things, a Mitsubisy eclipse right going on 744 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:20.360 in the car manufacturing for years. Well, it's it's in everything now. 745 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.719 You know, you might buy it, it might be made here, but 746 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.800 it might have that sticker on it. Yeah. Well it was weird because 747 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:29.480 the Sears. It's funny about the Seares twenty six hundred because I remember this 748 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.079 happening. At first it came out and it was like a very little bit 749 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.639 cheaper, you know, what I mean, then the Atari you could buy 750 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.639 in another store. So again around Christmas time they had a good run on 751 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.880 them. But then I don't know, something went wrong, and like I 752 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.039 said, I think the kids went ah. But it says Sears on it, 753 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:52.440 and like all of a sudden, the Sears Ataris had to be sold 754 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.760 at a different you know, at a different costs. Hey, is that 755 00:54:55.920 --> 00:55:00.639 old frank zappeline from years ago? Is that a real poncho? Or is 756 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:06.280 that a Sears poncho? There you go, so, but it's weird because 757 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:07.840 it's literally the same damn thing. I mean, if you took a part 758 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:14.039 that Atari, it was exactly the same. It had one cheaper piece of 759 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.800 equipment on it. I remember, it was like one thing was different about 760 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.079 the switch. And quite frankly, people didn't learn this. Still a couple 761 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.079 of years later the switches would wear out. Otherwise, there are Atari twenty 762 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:30.519 six hundreds that have been working since they were sold forty years ago, forty 763 00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:36.599 five years ago, okay, and fifty years ago at this point, I 764 00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.599 guess, huh, So fifty year old atari's all right, are still working 765 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.440 in some place. The only thing that burned out is the little power converter, 766 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.480 the uh you know, the adapter cable, the electric source. Those 767 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.880 things burned out because they probably were, yeah, probably worth quite a bit 768 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:59.000 more than what it was sold. Well, it goes through trends. There 769 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.239 were trends where it was expensive, and then there were trends where it was 770 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.280 no good. Matter of fact, the funny thing about that is the ET 771 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:13.119 cartridge remember the ET movie, right, Atari made like millions of these damn 772 00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:17.719 ET you cartridges to sell to people, and people got ahold of the game. 773 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.360 They were super excited about it. It's sold pretty good for a couple 774 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:27.559 of weeks, and then absolutely died because the game sucked. It was horrible, 775 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.360 and they literally took a bunch of them outside of the factory. This 776 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.400 is it was an urban legend thing for a while, and people said, 777 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.119 now it's just urban legend, and then somebody actually found them. They took 778 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:43.480 and bulldozed them into a pit because they just said, we can't even give 779 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.159 these away. It was so bad. Now, the funny back end of 780 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:52.119 that story is nowadays, try and buy an ET the Extraterrestrial game for Atari 781 00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.719 twenty six hundred, the original cartridge in a package. It is expensive, 782 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.800 it's more expensive than almost any other game except maybe that seven up Spot game 783 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:07.440 that made for Nintendo. I think it's totally bizarre. But the funny thing 784 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.239 is you can still get a working twenty six hundred with almost all of its 785 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.119 original parts to day, you know, And it's just hilarious how durable these 786 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:21.679 things were. And I mean I knew every kid that you know had one. 787 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:24.119 Eventually they get one and soda had been spilled in it and everything else, 788 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.079 and the damn thing would be sticky, but it still worked. It 789 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.360 was crazy. Anyways, Danny's sorry, then that's in my line of work. 790 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.519 Just on old calculators. You could take an old Hulett Packer forty one, 791 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.079 a programmable calculator. Those things are like gold right now because there were 792 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:45.400 so many programs written for them back in the time when surveyors and engineers used 793 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:46.719 them. Because he didn't, you know, the software to go on a 794 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.440 desktop computer was so expensive. These were handheld things you could take out in 795 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.679 the field. I'd give almost my left arm for about four or five Shula 796 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.280 Packer forty one right now were so versatile. But yet you know, they 797 00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:09.320 got phased out because of graphic calculators that people needed for science classes and things 798 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:15.320 like that. Of our first computer in the survey and industry, the guy 799 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.559 I worked for, and this is back in the early eighties, he was 800 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:23.280 using a Wang computer that used an IBM Selectric typewriter as its printer. You 801 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:27.719 know, that was the things that we were using back when technology was first 802 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.400 getting geared up in this stuff. When you look at this stuff now, 803 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.960 well, handheld computers the size of your phone that you can go out there 804 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:37.360 and do everything that we did thirty years ago in you know, split seconds 805 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:42.639 of time compared to what it took to process data when we were doing large 806 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.559 surveys. So you know, technology is catching up with it. But try 807 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.119 to go back and find one of those old items and see what you're going 808 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.800 to pay for. You probably pay double what it originally cost for an HP 809 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.119 forty one now, just because the rarity of the things in a lot of 810 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:59.559 cases. Yeah, So, Danny, anything else on your mind. I 811 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:01.639 know, we say tracked there pretty bad, but you said you had another 812 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.719 topic in mind. And plus I don't even think you were finished with your 813 00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.440 discussion about the food delivery deal. Yeah no, I think you pretty much 814 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.360 much covered about you know, the name brands. I remember, yeah, 815 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.320 I had a Yeah, I'm gonna get sidetracked to the topic. But we 816 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:22.280 bought I bought re botteled our kitchen. This is I think two thousand and 817 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.679 three. So I got all maytaging all the commercials and they're they're, you 818 00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:30.960 know, because their reputation. And then I swear when every warranty wore out, 819 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:36.039 everything in that kitchen broke and I inquired about it and found out that 820 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.719 this day were sold out to a different company and they just they were just 821 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.159 running on the brand and we're starting to build crap. That's why you don't 822 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.280 see Maytag out there anymore. But the subject going to change to is I 823 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:52.119 watched a documentary on Hulu was the called The Perfect Wife, and it was 824 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:58.440 this Sherry Perini kidnapping that happened here in in California. But it was a 825 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.639 really strange story and they saw it. But the thing that really caught my 826 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:08.960 attention is what they revealed with the FBI investigators and just at the lengths and 827 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:14.360 and and and just how thoroughly were these people really knew how to investigate. 828 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.239 I was very impressed with them. And then it started making me wonder, 829 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:22.280 well if you're so good at this and your detail intention on this kidnapping in 830 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.119 case, I was thinking about, like, you know, when I read 831 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.679 the nine to eleven report, you know, how how come they couldn't track 832 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.360 down the you know, the finan finally starting to reveal some of the financing 833 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.360 of the hijackers, and and you know, you start thinking about like the 834 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.800 you know, the Epstein raids, that what they waited then they had volunte 835 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.920 of It's just like, what are they sitting on and and how come there's 836 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:51.719 no answers or reveals. I'm It's just it just baffles me. Why I 837 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.679 do think they're silent and they can not so much of their hands of investigation. 838 01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.360 No, it's a I saw the preview for that or the trailer for 839 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.760 that. I wasn't sure if I was going to be into it. You 840 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:10.960 say, and it's a good series. Oh it's wild. I just like 841 01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:15.639 it couldn't get crazier. I was. It was wild. Well, I'll 842 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:19.400 warn you about one thing. Yeah, I'll warn you about one thing though, 843 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.119 is that I took notice of this and I told somebody this last week 844 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.639 that was asking me a question about one of these documentaries. Have you seen 845 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.480 this Wow, it's amazing this and that. I said, you know, 846 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:32.880 you gotta be careful when you're watching, uh, some of these series about 847 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:37.760 investigators, and for one reason only, you know, a good editor all 848 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:45.119 of a sudden makes an investigator look real good depending on the editor's skill level, 849 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:52.199 you know what I'm saying. Okay, Well that that it there. 850 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.800 It was just kind of baffling my mind. How you know what they're what 851 01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.159 they were presenting, and I'm like, well, what about these other pass 852 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:06.039 my curiosity? No, I got you. Maybe it's a good one and 853 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.880 maybe there is an impressive investigator, but you know, like somebody got really 854 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.880 remember John List when they were looking for John List from Jersey. The guy 855 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.760 killed his whole family, put him in the basement, and you know, 856 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:22.159 moved away and started a new life that guy. Yeah. Yeah, it 857 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:29.199 was you know, big national story. America's Most Wanted I think, I 858 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.199 mean, I think more than one crime show, but America's Most Wanted made 859 01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.239 banner headlines with it because they turned around and did this forensic thing where they 860 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.119 had to age him up twenty years and all that. You know, so 861 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:42.199 it's like a sketch artist, but they do it with a clay Head, 862 01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.440 right, and they aged him up, and then they tracked him down and 863 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.480 he's got a whole other life, started a new family, you know, 864 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.639 went back and got another job at the church, kind of like Dennis Raider 865 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.360 even you know, BTK Killer gets another job at the church, right and 866 01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.960 does the whole thing. And meanwhile, the guy who you know, basically 867 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:06.440 was doing the job of a sketch artist and a forensic anthropologist who decides, 868 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.679 okay, this is what somebody would look like if they aged, if they 869 01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.559 typically have a receding hairline. You know, they got glasses, blah blah 870 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:15.679 blah, and they pretty much hit it right on the nose. This, 871 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:21.039 you know, bust they created for the guy that they showed on America's Most 872 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.039 Wanted. And so you know, somebody was saying, oh, I'm so 873 01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:27.320 impressed with this, and I'm like, well, yeah, but what part 874 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.400 are you impressed with? You know, the sketch artist communication kind of thing, 875 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:37.360 or the literal hands on artist who was able to recreate something accurately. 876 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.840 Because here's the thing, if you're just a talented artist, it's got nothing 877 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:46.239 to do with forensics. You could take a description of anything and recreate it. 878 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.920 Because you have that sort of talent. So, you know, a 879 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.400 talented artist, it's got nothing to do with criminology or anthropology. That's just 880 01:03:54.440 --> 01:04:00.800 a talented artist combined with somebody making those calculations and describing it right. So 881 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.440 it's a combination effort. It's not really the one guy who's so impressive. 882 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:10.119 It's actually got to be a team effort because there's no way that somebody who 883 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.039 is an anthropologist that I mean, I've never seen anybody with you know, 884 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:15.880 super high level skills where you're going to get one guy who can do this. 885 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:19.559 Like if you ever notice the guys who even when they're trying to recreate 886 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:24.960 crimes or even the Kennedy assassination stuff you've seen over the years, be Pete 887 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.360 right, there's always a guy who's, like I gathered all this information, 888 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.000 there's always somebody else who figures out a way to render it, whether it's 889 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:34.719 on a computer or whatever. You know, even Dale Myers, I mean, 890 01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.679 you know there's your best example, the guy with the animation of the 891 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.760 Kennedys. That's what you get when somebody tries to cross too many disciplines and 892 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.360 tries to master you know, what is the idea of your jack of all 893 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.960 trades. You're a master of none, you know, so sometimes you need 894 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:57.679 two specialists to get together to create something truly special. But what was the 895 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:03.000 name of that documentary? Again? It was called The Perfect Wife and they 896 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:08.039 brought on about I think it was at least four FBI agents that seemed to 897 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:13.480 put pieces together that just kind of blew the story, you know. But 898 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:15.639 yeah, it was called The Perfect Wife. It was three parts. I 899 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.760 ended up binging it, I think Sunday night, and I couldn't stop watching. 900 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.760 I mean, it was well done, and yeah, I know the 901 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.039 part it's all these trickery and you know, editing, but you know, 902 01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:32.159 it just like just his kind of like every time I'm hearing a story, 903 01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:35.199 why don't they got more information on this? You know? You know, 904 01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.840 you know, I look at it. How many people were hurt and harmed 905 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:44.599 and you know, this was a kidnapping, and they pretty much it took 906 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.800 him a while. It took him a couple of years to kind of piece 907 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.679 everything together, but it was a while. It was a wild ride, 908 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.440 right, Hey, I'm just realizing that things are getting a little bit late, 909 01:05:56.599 --> 01:05:59.159 so I do want to take a break. But before we do. 910 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.400 I'm gonna put you on all Danny. You're free to hang around, and 911 01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:06.199 obviously, whether anybody else joins us or not, you're free to jump back 912 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.480 in if you got something else you want to add, or somebody else adds 913 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.639 on to you, that's all fine and andy. But I got something else 914 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.000 for us to consider right before we go to a break. And you know, 915 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:24.239 I wasn't aware that we had a black female president. I was not 916 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:29.159 aware of that, be Pete, but you showed me something and gave me 917 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.559 this rather unique thing. And I am now re educated. I was not 918 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:39.960 aware that America had a black female president. I remember as a Catholic up 919 01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:44.480 in an area where we didn't like Cathington. Get I'm a first president elected 920 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:46.960 state wide in the state of Delaware. As a kid, well, you 921 01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:49.320 know I was. I looked at John Kenny and said, well, he 922 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.480 God, he got elected. Why can't I get elected? By the way, 923 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:59.280 I'm proud to be, as I said, first vice president, black 924 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:05.000 woman with a black present all, the first black woman in the Supreme Court. 925 01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:10.719 There's just so much that we can do because together week there's nothing but 926 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:17.639 the United States America. Okay, you know, fair play is fair game, 927 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:21.440 and I gotta tell you reading that just like I to point out, 928 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:26.920 you know, we're trying to read a Trump transcript. Sometimes that makes a 929 01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.679 lot less sense than a Trump transcript. Even so, you know, I 930 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.840 mean, I know we're definitely starting to pummel the dead horse here, but 931 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:40.320 I don't know. Sometimes you got to tender rize the meat before you get 932 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:45.000 people to swallow it finally and figure it out. But anyway, we'll figure 933 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:47.599 out some more things on the other side of the break. My cos b 934 01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:53.000 Pete is with me and you can join us as well. 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I'm 951 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.960 all shock, luck and care rocks from the lad at the drug show. 952 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:29.119 I'm bringing all shot, I can care rocks from the light at the draft 953 01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.239 shows. The more we just met with the world's worst professional propocket tour, 954 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:40.800 hit them like it's two thousands something and bucks back on tour. Never really 955 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:45.880 wanted me anyway. Alcohol turns me into the enemies. I'm go sending me 956 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.840 Sam with some highnessy. Can you just expressed my callers school? Who's there 957 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:50.920 anyone else who happens to get on the air of jelly dot com. Do 958 01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:56.199 not necessarily replying dews dot com or Chumko Kelly, and we are not responsible 959 01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:02.239 for any stupidity which you might have sue. Thank you. Go ahead call 960 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.159 it about the JAFA assassination. Right, Well, what do you want to 961 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:11.720 know? Dy Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew, Ruby and Barry answer 962 01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:14.760 weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It 963 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.039 doesn't make me a wagon, but okay, I'm building and trying to prevent 964 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.079 the murder of John Kennedy. Come on now has a real effort on the 965 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:27.199 day of assassination. Book into claims. Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith 966 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.399 Baker in her own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy of 967 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:35.119 a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words and the known evidence in the 968 01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:41.319 case to get at well a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith 969 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.960 Barry Baker in her own words from the author himself, signed if you request 970 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:50.640 it by contacting doctor Brown at k I as jfk at aol dot com. 971 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:57.359 It's a fun book and it actually dissects the many, many fantastic claims Judith 972 01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:18.359 Ary Baker in her own words, Thank you a great information. I was 973 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:29.760 commine it from my grandma. I got strangys. I have checked to go 974 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:40.560 to college, but I so the dobe. Goodbye them stuff that single weed. 975 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:49.239 I be doing well. You will be that shift within your time as 976 01:11:49.279 --> 01:12:00.119 a double Well, more and more people flooted down. Well, we got 977 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:09.680 diy for man stand it's getting no doun well one on the flies now because 978 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:18.239 no one ever died from smoking We he did him. You're kidding me. 979 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:31.319 You're kidding me, Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me. Well, and 980 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:45.600 then found out it wouldn't ur job. They had to find another way to 981 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:59.920 trick. That's the best thing that could come up. Awa, it's again 982 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:13.720 anyway drug and leads to other substances. You're kidding me. Your kidding me? 983 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:24.079 Yeah, yeah, you're kidding me. Well, more round, more 984 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:30.000 people putting down, But we got that be for mattes sid it's getting around. 985 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:39.439 Well what I flum now might be because no one ever died from smoking 986 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:51.000 weed. Your hair are your kiddening me? Are your kidding me? Yeah? 987 01:13:51.359 --> 01:14:14.760 Yeah, you're kidding me. Real small considered a majority athority to be 988 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:28.359 had f people like you and me. You're kidding me? Are your kidding 989 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:36.039 me? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Are your kidding me? Well, 990 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:44.119 more more people footed down, But we got that prefer bat the sand. 991 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:51.720 It's getting around water of ladming now, not pap because no one ever died 992 01:14:53.159 --> 01:15:14.479 from smoking. Well, you're kidding. The War State by Michael Swanson explains 993 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.960 the great national transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in the context 994 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:23.880 of the Times and reveals never before published information about the Cuban missile crisis. 995 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.479 President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred years 996 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.800 ago. His assassination took place in the context of the Cold War and the 997 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.920 rise of the national security state. Before World War II, the United States 998 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:40.920 was a continental republic. In the decade that followed, it became an imperial 999 01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:45.600 superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba, but 1000 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.880 knew that there were short range missiles on the island armed with nuclear warheads that 1001 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:53.920 they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have 1002 01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:58.199 led to a Third World War, and they wanted to go to war anyway. 1003 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.159 The War State by Michael Swan Watson reveals why, and we'll show you 1004 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:05.840 what President Kennedy was up against. For more information the War State dot com. 1005 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:10.079 This is James Corbin at Corpa Report dot com and you're listening to the 1006 01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:25.920 Olly Affected o'helly dot com episode. Yet we're Honey o Chilly dot com. 1007 01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:42.880 Second and what might be the final segment of the open mic Friday Night, 1008 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.479 And we have two callers on the line that we're gonna get back round to. 1009 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.439 But you could be there too. Three one nine five two seven five 1010 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:56.760 zero one six. That's three one nine five two seven five zero one six, 1011 01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.640 Or reach out to me Charles dot O'Kelly on Skype and I will call 1012 01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:05.199 you into the show. So with that, B Pete, my co host, 1013 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:09.920 my friend, I think we should get a response to that clip I 1014 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:15.720 played just before break from our resident good friend there and primary caller at all 1015 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:21.159 times, an executive producer of tonight's show. Just coincidentally, Jimmy James, 1016 01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:27.239 What do you say, B Pete? Oh? Yeah, I'm curious to 1017 01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:30.079 see what he has to say about surviving and VINDI that he is the first 1018 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:35.079 black Yeah, you know, I want to lean back and take a listen 1019 01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:39.680 to him you know, respond and the two of them are discussed, because 1020 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:46.640 this is brand new facts to me. Jimmy, there are yes, he 1021 01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:54.760 might he might identify that way mm, but we have to respect how he 1022 01:17:55.079 --> 01:18:01.680 identify, don't we at all times? Okay? Hey, just check if 1023 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:09.880 you live, whether you're five years old or ninety five years old or retree 1024 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:15.079 or you forgot what age you are exemptions also for those who forgot how old 1025 01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:21.199 they are. Right, you got that right, okay, just hey, 1026 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:27.199 I'm asking the experts here, So Jimmy, what's your response? Though? 1027 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:36.920 You know, I've known this guy has been in stage well dently. He's 1028 01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:42.359 moved up a notch. I've known this guy's had dementia. Everyone knew he 1029 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:47.359 had dementia. They had to have known. The Democrat Party was working once 1030 01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:54.600 again, conspiring against the people of the United States with their best bodies, 1031 01:18:54.720 --> 01:19:00.640 the corporate media towness old Scranton Joe who spent three years there of his life. 1032 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:05.520 Probably, Oh, he doesn't have old timers. He's doing just fine 1033 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:11.680 and dandy. I told just stuff four years to go. Now he's just 1034 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.560 moved up a not so he's staged six dimension. I was barking at the 1035 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:23.359 moon the whole time it's been Obama's third term. That's the part I can't 1036 01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:26.000 figure out Obama's third term. You know, I don't know about you, 1037 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:30.479 but I'm getting pounded with the Hey, just give old Joe there five bucks. 1038 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:35.359 If everybody watching this video gives us five bucks, it'll save democracy. 1039 01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:45.359 I mean, have you seen that video yet, Jimmy, No I I 1040 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:56.239 I mostly just listen to podcasts, and I usually just could work commercials and 1041 01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:06.079 just skip through them. Well, crap, I matter position. I listened 1042 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:09.560 to a lot of YouTube, is what it is, you know, while 1043 01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.680 I'm doing other work. I listened to a lot of YouTube. But uh, 1044 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:15.960 b bete by all means take over here, I mean, what what 1045 01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:19.239 what is there to be said about this situation and him identifying this way, 1046 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.279 well, I mean he can identify however he wants, you know, but 1047 01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:29.680 if we if we make the claim that he's a seniled old man, you 1048 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.119 know, we get we get told off that oh you know, we're we're 1049 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.960 making that's all conspiracy. You know, he's on sharp as he's ever been 1050 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:40.319 sharp as attack. You know, he's capable of the fact Fauci came out 1051 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.279 what yesterday or today and said that, Oh yeah, Josie, he's he's 1052 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:47.159 good. He's good for another four years. You're like, well, okay, 1053 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.920 here's you know, mister science is telling us that everything's a okay. 1054 01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:54.880 Tell me, you know how many times do we have to be gas lift 1055 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:59.560 before we start reacting to the gas That's been the problem. They've been gas 1056 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.239 likeness the whole time. Bob Woodward of Great, you know all the president's 1057 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.319 men saying he comes out. Oh yeah, everybody knew it. You know, 1058 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:12.560 media knew it, all the higher ups and the political parties and offices 1059 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.159 knew it. The government knew it. Everybody working in Washington, DC knew 1060 01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:18.840 it. So what's the big deal. It's kind of like when did fauci 1061 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:25.079 all the Hollywood It's like all the Hollywood stars that came out when Weinstein got 1062 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.640 nailed for all his stuff, and oh, well, you know, we've 1063 01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:30.880 known this all along. Well, then why are you acting so surprised? 1064 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:35.159 Now? Here's you notice the people that have known all along are not surprised. 1065 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:41.840 They're just surprised that it took a debate performance for the rest of the 1066 01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:45.039 world to see it. Question now that can't deny it? Quick question for 1067 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:49.960 you Fauci. When did he change his tune because his initial thing with and 1068 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:56.199 god knows why they approached him. You know, Sanjay Gupka's out there now 1069 01:21:56.279 --> 01:22:00.319 making statements to another guy I don't need to hear from. But but but 1070 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.760 if Fauci's out there making a statement. His first statement was, well, 1071 01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:10.920 I can't adequately diagnose somebody, you know, through a video. And it's 1072 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:16.159 true. Okay, that is an honest statement. You can't make a diagnosis. 1073 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:20.600 You can make a damn good guess, and you can make a damn 1074 01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:26.199 good assessment, but a practical clinical diagnosis, No, you can't do it 1075 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.479 from that video performance. Okay, it's no good. It indicates to you 1076 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:33.640 there's a bar. Fauci said, no doubt Biden has the vigor and mental 1077 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:40.159 capability to have a second term on this, you know. Okay, Well, 1078 01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:44.880 what's not mister science saying it? We've got to it, says doctor. 1079 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:47.319 Fauci says it's unfair to judge Joe biden health based on a ninety minute 1080 01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:51.199 debate. Says Biden's may have just had a reaction to his cold medication. 1081 01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:54.880 Of course, now court to the White House, he was taking no cold 1082 01:22:54.960 --> 01:23:01.079 medication. So it wasn't that what you would do? This biomatication. They 1083 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:05.079 mean this giant back of cocaine. No, I wish he was on coke. 1084 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:09.439 If he was on cokey'd be alert. Look, the problem here is 1085 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.960 not even I love this. It's almost like the old Hollywood excuse of food 1086 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:15.279 poisoning when somebody's clearly drunk. You know, it's like, dude, that 1087 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:17.840 guy's lit. Nah, he just had a bad case. You know, 1088 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:24.239 he got some bad shrimp or some they always do with some crimp. Good. 1089 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:30.079 I could say this just Joe Brien this the sun was in my eyes. 1090 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:34.640 Crap, it's not gonna work. Well, Dad just watched him on 1091 01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:40.239 the Muffle Upicus video. He was just and he did not do well. 1092 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.680 But the bad you know, the real bad thing is that, you know, 1093 01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:45.880 the wife had to come out and be like, no, no, 1094 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:48.239 no, I'm just gonna stand here and prop him up and I'm going to 1095 01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:53.439 give you coherent statements because he can't. I mean, that was blatantly obvious. 1096 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:56.520 Oh, we're they're dispatching Joe Biden to this state in that state, 1097 01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.720 and I'm going but she's not going to be president allegedly, What are you 1098 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:05.239 doing this whole thing is so stupid. Yeah, just pulling and need it 1099 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:10.960 Wilson. Maybe I don't know what's going on there, but I do have, 1100 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.039 I argue in Nancy regel well though, but Good, what's that is? 1101 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:17.680 Aaron Good? I don't know at this point, to be honest with 1102 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:30.399 you, So we'll we'll find out. Read tel clock Good. I was 1103 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.439 just gonna say, if you are going on the hour, if he could 1104 01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:36.239 be on, and that's cool by me. I've got a bunch of water 1105 01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:41.720 Gates stuff I would just love to talk about. Did you see my email 1106 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:46.920 response to you about Watergate? By the way, I did you you mentioned 1107 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.880 in the Hogan book. Yeah, that to me was a big starting point. 1108 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:55.560 Just just side note to you personally, that to me was a big 1109 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.159 starter. It didn't answer all the questions. I'm not you know me. 1110 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.439 I'm not somebody who swears by a book. I never do. But what 1111 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:09.560 happened is that book gave me some directions to go find some primary resources. 1112 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:14.800 And I looked at some of his primary resources, and then I found other 1113 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:16.960 stuff on my own. And that's why I have the attitude I do about 1114 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:21.880 Watergate. So overall, that book, if you haven't read it. I 1115 01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:26.760 absolutely suggest you read it. A couple of things little outdated now. I 1116 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:30.640 think I don't have a copy of it anymore. If I did, I 1117 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:32.800 would mail it to you because to me, it's one of those things that's 1118 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:39.840 absolutely valuable. Which, by the way, do you have any visual problems, 1119 01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:46.399 Jimmy at all? Yes, I can't see things real good. I'm 1120 01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:50.880 far exited. Okay, perfect, Because you know what, as a veteran 1121 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:57.319 who has if you have a documented visual issue, there is a way that 1122 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.000 you can get in on the same Library of Congress deal that I was able 1123 01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:04.079 to get into as a kid, except it's easier now. And they used 1124 01:26:04.119 --> 01:26:10.159 to call it talking books. And there's a thing through the Library of Congress 1125 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:14.279 where, believe it or not, they have lots of free audio books. 1126 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:19.520 And the other thing is sometimes they can even create them for you, so 1127 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:24.279 long as they were published there, and you know they don't have a copyright 1128 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.920 issue where you know there's a primary somebody's got to get paid for it. 1129 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:32.239 The Library of Congress will sometimes even customize it for you. As either a 1130 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:39.800 veteran or a legally classified individual with a visual issue, you might want to 1131 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:43.840 look into that because I'll tell you what, if I could find that Hogan 1132 01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:46.000 book on audio, I would love to have it. I don't think it's 1133 01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:51.239 available through there, and I lost my pass key to that. But that's 1134 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:54.640 a way to get free audiobooks. I don't know if you know about that. 1135 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.760 I've heard you talk about it before I get So we need to look 1136 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.800 into that, because God knows I love audiobooks, so I'm better than reading 1137 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.760 them right well as a veteran, though, if you're entitled to, like, 1138 01:27:06.920 --> 01:27:10.399 you know, one hundred thousand free ones, I mean, I'm not 1139 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:14.479 saying they're all winners, but I know they have a rather large history section 1140 01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:16.920 already. And like I said, sometimes if you put in a request, 1141 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:23.640 they a couple of years ago they were willing to create books sometimes based on, 1142 01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:28.000 you know, a request from somebody who's part of the program. So 1143 01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:31.720 I'm just saying you might be able to get some books that way. Of 1144 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:38.960 course, all federal prisoners to sit there and read books and make audio books. 1145 01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:44.920 Salty and Charlie Manson, I know he's dead. Yeah, I want 1146 01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:48.199 to hear them all, all the famous guys, Ted Bondy, it was 1147 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:54.239 best times. Well, you know what you know, what's funny is with 1148 01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:57.039 AI, they could probably do that. And I'll tell you one other thing. 1149 01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.840 I encourage every author that I speak to just about when I talk to 1150 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:04.119 them, I go, look, when your book stops selling and you're not 1151 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:10.960 collecting on it anymore, would you please go and voluntarily sign up? Because 1152 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:15.279 if an author, if somebody is a copyright holder, signs up and basically 1153 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.840 volunteers their book, they create an audiobook for them even if one did not 1154 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:24.800 exist before that. You know, again, is there to benefit people who 1155 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:31.239 are visually impaired and veterans as well. So I encourage them to donate their 1156 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:34.840 work if it's valuable in that way. If they're no longer making money on 1157 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:39.079 it, what the hell? You know, more readers, more education, 1158 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.560 and if your material is good, all the better, you know what I 1159 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.000 mean? So I always say, please sign up for the talk upsite of 1160 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:51.159 mind. Yeah, go ahead. What's that other? The free audiobook site 1161 01:28:51.960 --> 01:29:00.279 work volunteer people read. I use that to go through the worm Commission for 1162 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:06.399 a few times. The annoying thing about that is like twenty stinking different people 1163 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.079 did it, So there's all these different voices. Yeah, and there's a 1164 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.319 couple of Yeah, there's a couple of different organizations that have done this, 1165 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.600 that have you know, done the volunteer will read the book for you, 1166 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.319 and I'm not familiar with all of them. To be honest with you, 1167 01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:29.119 I really should get familiar with them because I love audio books too. But 1168 01:29:29.399 --> 01:29:31.279 anyway, back to it, that that Hogan book, though, I'm telling 1169 01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:36.920 you, is a really good jumping off point if you're already educated on Watergate 1170 01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:41.520 and you know you want to get started. I know it's an old book 1171 01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:43.760 and all that, and a lot of people kind of poo poo it, 1172 01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:48.880 but I'm telling you it's it's what draws the main narrative for what I believe 1173 01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:55.479 occurred regarding Watergate, the real story. You know. It's not like he's 1174 01:29:55.520 --> 01:30:00.640 perfect, but yeah, good, well I've been diving into this. Uh. 1175 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:08.399 His name is Jeff Shephard, Jeff spelt with the G G E O 1176 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:15.640 F. One of those GF guys. That's what I say. That's why 1177 01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:18.319 I call a guy in real life. I know that. I'm like, 1178 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:24.079 hey, g O, I ain't got to call me that because I don't 1179 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:26.800 know why I couldn't your mind named you? Right? Yeah, because it's 1180 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.920 a slight variation from jerk off, that's why, and that about matches anyway, 1181 01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:39.960 go ahead, Geoff instead of jail. Yeah, it's just that's like 1182 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:45.439 I don't know, I think that's British or something. And anyways, so 1183 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:55.079 this Geoff, I mean Jeff Jeff. So he was a minor staff lawyer 1184 01:30:55.279 --> 01:31:02.760 for next SUS domestic affairs staff mm hmm. And he worked there and the 1185 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:10.319 pretty much his introduction when they started pulling him and was he was actually the 1186 01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:15.079 guy who listened to the tape and type the transcripts. Oh god. So 1187 01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:17.399 he was one of those guys they got to bring in because they said you 1188 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:20.880 got to produce the transcript and then he was trying to edit it and he 1189 01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:29.880 was one of those guys. He's the guy took out all the dirty words. 1190 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:32.840 Yes, yes, yes, that was so when Nixon was freaking out 1191 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:38.359 over explitive deleted, this guy is dealing with that, is what you're telling 1192 01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:45.359 me. Yeah, basically Nixon siting, do you have to put down that 1193 01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:51.479 I should do here for I guess he could put blank. I love that 1194 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:56.039 scene. I love that. Yeah. Two things. One, I love 1195 01:31:56.119 --> 01:32:00.760 that scene in the movie Nixon Jews Jews Nixon ga he's saying Jews. Uh. 1196 01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:05.000 That is hilarious. And also another name that's always annoyed me is Sean. 1197 01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:09.960 With the scene s e a n for Sean. It's like, come 1198 01:32:10.039 --> 01:32:15.159 on, just I mean Sean Connery. I give him a pass because he's 1199 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:18.560 from another land. Well, I give him a lot of things, but 1200 01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:25.000 Americans named Sean for God's sake. Scene. I got a cousin like that, 1201 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.800 and I used to say that to him all the time. Scene what's 1202 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.720 up? Scene? You know what you mean? Scene? Look at the 1203 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:31.800 way your name is spelled. Do you know how to spell your name? 1204 01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:34.159 Because look at the way your mama spelled it? What the hell? An 1205 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:46.920 Helen anyway? Okay? Sorry? And CNN there you go, CNN like 1206 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:55.800 an An from the sea, a mermaid bance anyways. Got Well, this 1207 01:32:56.039 --> 01:33:01.279 guy, I guess he's he's kind of right bus the JFK. Only he's 1208 01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:09.880 been with Watergate and at the time he was convicted, even that Nixon must 1209 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:14.760 have known about it, this set and the other thing. But it turns 1210 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:18.920 out, you know, just like JFK, they will tell documents for fifty 1211 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:24.199 years, but all that's come and gone. So as he gets to put 1212 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:29.880 it finally got to see what the other side was up to, and it's 1213 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:34.319 ugly, very ugly. Oh, it took the exact sames they took. 1214 01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:41.319 No, they had counterintelligence stuff. Look, the Democrats and Republicans were running 1215 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:45.520 counterintelligence programs against each other in the seventies. That's what it boils down to. 1216 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:50.960 And it's hilarious because again I think Nixon was unfairly was unfairly hammered for 1217 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:58.279 it. That's again weird position for me to take, maybe, but that's 1218 01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:00.760 the truth of it. You know, at one time I'm Jimmy and b 1219 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.760 Pete. Also, I was part of what they used to refer to, 1220 01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:09.720 loosely in the JFK community as the New York Group, right, and within 1221 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:14.960 the New York Group, believe it or not, Watergate became a constant sidetrack, 1222 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.319 like say, in I don't know, ninety three ninety four in that 1223 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:24.600 area, and a lot of the stuff I wound up working on was Watergate 1224 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:30.239 material, trying to do that connection to the Kennedy assassination, like you know, 1225 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:34.520 the whole long before anybody you know, seemed to get this stuff circulated 1226 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:38.720 to him at the push him a button. We were talking about what in 1227 01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:42.520 the hell is the whole bay of pigs thing? You know what is he 1228 01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:47.079 actually referring to? Uh? No, that's interesting, now are you talking 1229 01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:51.039 about this is where there's the eighteen and a half minute gap right after that? 1230 01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:56.079 Correct? Well, no, there is a Okay, I wouldn't say 1231 01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:59.279 it's right after it, but we're in the same neighborhood here. There is 1232 01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:05.399 a weird series of anomalies on the tapes in that entire section of them, 1233 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:13.359 and it's not just the famous gap. There's other stuff going on. And 1234 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.800 in fact, I've never been credited for this, but and I don't even 1235 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:23.079 think it exists anywhere in the discussions anymore, but I found it. There 1236 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:29.079 is a drag on the tape where if one with a keen ear is paying 1237 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:35.479 attention, you can hear an erase head being dragged across the outer portion of 1238 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:43.560 the tape. And it's because somebody is literally manipulating. This is what I 1239 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:50.000 have to theorize is that someone is partially depressing an erase button during certain parts 1240 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:57.000 of that section, like for literally twenty minutes at one point, somebody is 1241 01:35:57.119 --> 01:36:01.159 like seemingly having their finger on an ear on the on the red erase button 1242 01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:08.239 on the old Wallensack type reel to reel right, and when you do that, 1243 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:13.840 you can hear the blank area of the outer portion, like the outer 1244 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:18.840 edge of the tape being demagnetized. It makes an odd and distinctive hum. 1245 01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:25.760 And I discovered that That's something I discovered as part of the New York group. 1246 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:29.000 And I don't know nobody's ever ran with it, because I mean, 1247 01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:31.159 I guess, what can you do with it until you can identify who was 1248 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:35.800 actually trying to edit the thing? You know, But unfortunately, it might 1249 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:42.640 tell you exactly why there's a giant gap there if you could figure out who 1250 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:47.239 was actually playing with it, right there, Go ahead. This Jeff Sheppard 1251 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:54.199 day, he thinks that it was the CIA bomb back into leading things that 1252 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:59.840 Nixon talked about that they just didn't want on tape, like he actually was 1253 01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:05.520 Almo Bay of pig Stints. Yeah, but his main pieces is way more 1254 01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:11.680 interesting than me. Basically he says that they took is anything to be on 1255 01:37:11.920 --> 01:37:16.119 or was he? I do not have a message yet. I'll check while 1256 01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:27.960 you're talking. Go ahead, man. It's interesting because basically Arts of balt 1257 01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:34.920 Tax who ended up for until he was famously fired. He's a temporary general, 1258 01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:41.439 right, acting attorney general. Briefly, go ahead, well he was 1259 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:45.720 never he was supposed to be a part. He was supposed he was the 1260 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:48.560 special prosecutor. Oh all right, well I'm sorry, yeah, he was 1261 01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:54.520 the special prosecutor. Yeah yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah. He was 1262 01:37:54.600 --> 01:38:00.119 working for Richardson, who was the Attorney general supposed for six months. But 1263 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:05.039 he didn't really do much other than help virch of both counts. Yeah, 1264 01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:10.119 he showed. He showed up about as much as the guy who was Arlen 1265 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:17.640 Spector's partner, right as the senior counselor God Frank, any of the actual 1266 01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:23.880 Warren Commission other than Ford and Dulls. They made the run. But anyways, 1267 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:32.560 this very shows that it seems basically it's exact same gup was the doup 1268 01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:40.039 to tick down Happa, and they used the exact same techniques, all of 1269 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:49.000 which Joan mall And addresses and Lindon I believe in her Lindon Johnson book where 1270 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:57.640 she takes that Pappa, well she's just quoting Chief Warren who took the minority 1271 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:04.119 position. They almost overturned that because the FBI in that outfit broke so many 1272 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:12.279 loss to get Happa. I mean it is a get Happa squad. Basically, 1273 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:17.479 Bobby Kennedy said, there's the man, put him away. He hurt 1274 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:25.840 my feelings. And then, uh, the old games all reassembled during Watergate, 1275 01:39:26.079 --> 01:39:33.319 basically first in Congress by Ted Kennedy. And what really makes this Jeff 1276 01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:42.479 Shepherd mad is the documents now showed that Judge s Rica, the Congress, 1277 01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:53.279 the Special prosecutor John Dene McGruder, all these people were all talking to each 1278 01:39:53.359 --> 01:40:01.199 other improperly all during this stuff. I mean, obviously judges aren't supposed to 1279 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:08.600 be getting involved, helping the prosecutor, et cetera. And as the Holy 1280 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:14.920 smokes that this sounds awful familiar as a and I started thinking about it, 1281 01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:19.800 exact same techniques. You could look at the top of water Gate. I 1282 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:27.960 ran Contra Russia hoapes January sixth and thirty four counts on a tree against Trump. 1283 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:31.319 It's always the same craft, the same There's a book called the Conspiracy 1284 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:36.720 of Law, No, the Law of Conspiracy. It's practically their stinking guide 1285 01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:42.439 book. In this junk, they picked the man and then they throw it 1286 01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:45.439 a bunch of crap at him. I mean, it's just sick. I 1287 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:50.239 never had a clue that Ted Kennedy was so involved in Watergate. Yeah, 1288 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:57.119 and the making it and what it became. Yeah, interesting how that got 1289 01:40:57.199 --> 01:41:00.199 dealt. Look, there was a hole back and forth there. I I 1290 01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.920 really do think that there was a lot more cloak and dagger happening. This 1291 01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:09.760 is where my conspiracy mindset goes crazy. And we found stuff left and right 1292 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:15.000 that was just like wow, nobody realized this person was improperly doing this and 1293 01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:16.359 that and the third thing. And by the way, the guy I was 1294 01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:20.319 referring to, I just got a message on Skype and it's a correct answer. 1295 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:28.680 The senior council to Arl Inspector's junior council on the Warrant Commission was Frank 1296 01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:31.880 Adams or Francis W. H. Adams, which is correct. I knew 1297 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:38.119 the guy was from New York and it was Frank Adams, Francis Francis W. 1298 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:43.319 H. Adaby. He couldn't have been on he was on the warrant 1299 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:46.600 Commission. He must have been just the more senior lawyer or something. No, 1300 01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:49.960 That's what I'm trying to explain. You know how Arl Inspector is a 1301 01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:56.800 junior council for the warrant Commission. They were classified as assistant councils, and 1302 01:41:56.960 --> 01:42:01.800 they were putting teams of two with a senior and a junior counselor. Okay. 1303 01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.600 And they showed up, you know, for the first meeting, the 1304 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:10.000 first executive session, and you know, got their marching orders. Okay, 1305 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.359 you guys are going to cover this part. You guys are going to cover 1306 01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:15.920 that part. And they wanted these lawyers to come up with people they wanted 1307 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:19.479 to and you know, interview, interrogate whatever, and evidence they wanted and 1308 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:23.680 stuff like that. These are the people who were working, you know, 1309 01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:30.359 under a Rankin's control. Who was the chief counsel right, you follow me 1310 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:34.079 so far, Jimmy okay, so Arl inspect good, yeah, good. 1311 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:43.000 Suspector was actually kind of at the bottom of the totem poll and that guy 1312 01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:46.399 was kind of in the middle. But even he wasn't doing much well, 1313 01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:51.000 jay Lee, Rankin is your chief lawyer supposedly in this structure, right, 1314 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:56.680 So, like I said, he's got these teams of two under him that 1315 01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:00.359 are meant to do some of the other lawyering work. This was the organization 1316 01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:02.760 of the rest of it. They're not a commission member, but they are 1317 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:06.720 permanent attachments, you know, permanent parts of the commission. They're not the 1318 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.880 people actually sitting on the board, right, because we know all those people. 1319 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:18.039 That's you know, you know obviously that's Chief Justice Warren Alan, Dulles 1320 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:23.239 Hale Box, you know those guys. But under them the lawyers doing the 1321 01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:27.720 work. As Arlen Spector's the most famous of them. But Arlen Spector was 1322 01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.439 literally the junior part of a two man team which was supposed to have a 1323 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:35.680 senior council and a junior council. Well, the senior council in Arlen Spector's 1324 01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:42.960 case is this guy, Francis Adams from Mount Vernon, New York, according 1325 01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:45.880 to the Skype, which sounds exactly right. I mean, I could go 1326 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:50.439 look it up. But anyway, this guy effectively shows up and he's like 1327 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:54.680 a sixty year old guy. He shows up on the first day for the 1328 01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:59.920 executive session, picks up his paperwork and goes home and never comes back. 1329 01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.359 I think he appeared for one more executive session. He's on a transcript somewhere, 1330 01:44:05.119 --> 01:44:10.640 but he's basically gone. Arlen Spector on his own. Arlen Spector, 1331 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:18.279 on his own basically ran his alleged team. So there you go. I 1332 01:44:18.359 --> 01:44:28.039 always wondered, what why spector? Well did everyone start listening to him? 1333 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:35.199 Well he was a fairly I mean after that good why I mean that magic 1334 01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:41.239 bullet junk. I mean you can even hear the president and the senator who's 1335 01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:45.399 on the commission Saints of Lord of Crap. I don't believe it either. 1336 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.479 Yeah, notice how to get in there? Yeah, that's that's Johnson talking 1337 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:56.600 to uh to uh what do you call it? Hoover? Right? Oh 1338 01:44:56.680 --> 01:45:00.399 no, no, no, one of the one of the Southern had to 1339 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:03.359 limit themselves to three shots. Okay, my mistake, one of the Southern 1340 01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:08.079 counselors, one of the Southern Warrant Commission members. Is who it was not? 1341 01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:15.319 Not? It was either Bogs or Russell? Yeah, yeah, Russell 1342 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:17.640 or Bogs. But anyway, forget about that. That's Johnson talking on the 1343 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:19.720 phone. Well I don't buy that, old well, neither do I. 1344 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:25.399 They did that on the phone. But the thing is that the idea here 1345 01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:28.479 is that these lawyers, these teams of lawyers, were supposed to go out 1346 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:34.000 and decide who they wanted to question and therefore bring their request to the commission, 1347 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:39.279 and also what evidence do we need to collect? And having our possession 1348 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:45.079 right, and the lawyers were supposed to hunt all that down and therefore you 1349 01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:49.119 forget one thing. What aspects can we find that we need to hide? 1350 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:53.319 Well, yeah, but we didn't even have to go there, because they 1351 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:58.079 split up these teams and then they created these subgroups, which there's like four 1352 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.840 of them, and the force up groups were like the Life and Times of 1353 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:06.359 Lee Harvey Oswald, the evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald, right, and like 1354 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:11.399 three out of the four teams had like literally had the name Oswald in the 1355 01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.039 titles. So wonder what direction they're going in in their investigation, right, 1356 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:19.319 And that's the setup premise, that's the beginning of the premise. But the 1357 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:23.039 funny thing to me is that this is one of these guys who gets this 1358 01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:28.800 appointment as a lawyer to do this work and just never came back. They 1359 01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:31.199 collected his papers at the end, and it was effectively just the stuff he 1360 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:35.560 got off the first executive session, and even after his death, they went 1361 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:40.399 and searched through, you know, his legal papers, and the guy pretty 1362 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:43.039 much said, yeah, I'll take the job and never showed up again. 1363 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:48.920 And nobody ever asked why. But funny that the senior counsel. I don't 1364 01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:53.239 know about that, to be honest with you. I've never really looked into 1365 01:46:53.319 --> 01:46:58.319 if anybody got paid. But everybody else shows back up except this guy. 1366 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:02.319 He just didn't go again. And Spector did the work for both of them. 1367 01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:06.479 So every time their team needed to you know, submit stuff or whatever, 1368 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:13.600 it was Spector all by himself, you know. And the guy was 1369 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:17.079 born in uh I think he was. He was like born like right around 1370 01:47:17.159 --> 01:47:21.119 nineteen hundred, so I mean he was older. Spector back then was only 1371 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:26.680 what maybe thirty years old something like that. How old was Spector in sixty 1372 01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:30.600 four? All right, and that's what twenty it's maybe thirty. I think 1373 01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:34.159 he was like thirty. Let me go look how old was Arlen Spector? 1374 01:47:34.279 --> 01:47:42.479 Right? Because he used to be the assistant DA And then as soon as 1375 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:48.119 he did all this junk, then he ran against his own boss and switched 1376 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:57.079 political parties like three times, right Spector, Oh yeah, once every decade, 1377 01:47:57.319 --> 01:48:00.600 just to be sure he's on the side. Yeah, whichever he thought 1378 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:04.920 was losing. He jumped ship and go to the other side. Like film, 1379 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:10.960 you know, can't beat Hillary on Boyary, so I'll go to the 1380 01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.680 other side. Well, I can't win as a Democrat, but the Republicans 1381 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.600 need somebody, so I'll go there. Okay, let's see he was born. 1382 01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:20.359 Where is just his biography. I'll just do the math. Where is 1383 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:26.279 he at? Let's see, he was born in nineteen thirty, so in 1384 01:48:26.399 --> 01:48:29.479 nineteen sixty four he would have been thirty four. Sorry, I thought he 1385 01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:34.319 was thirty. And he died in twenty twelve, right October of twenty twelve. 1386 01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:40.000 I remember that because I remember saying to myself, Yeah, he didn't 1387 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:45.520 stick around for the fifties. I remember that. But born in Let me 1388 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.319 see, what does this say? I remember? Okay. So Arles Inspector 1389 01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:53.840 February twelve, nineteen thirty to October fourteen, twenty twelve was an American lawyer, 1390 01:48:53.960 --> 01:48:58.479 author, and politician who served as a United States Senator from Pennsylvania from 1391 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:02.720 nineteen eighty one to twenty excuse me, twenty eleven. Spector was a Democrat 1392 01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:06.880 from nineteen fifty one to sixty five, then a Republican from sixty five to 1393 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:12.319 two thousand and nine, when he switched back to the Democratic Party, and 1394 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:16.960 he was first elected in nineteen eighty He was the longest serving senator from Pennsylvania. 1395 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:24.359 But he didn't become Scranton Spector, though, did he anyway? Spector 1396 01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:28.920 was born in Wichitak, Kansas, to immigrant Russian Ukrainian Jewish parents. He 1397 01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:32.119 graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, served in the United States Air Force. 1398 01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:36.000 Blah blah blah. Okay, anyway, I just wanted to make sure about 1399 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:39.880 that. But yeah, Adams was the guy who was supposed to be the 1400 01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:44.479 head of his little team, and he just didn't bother to show up again. 1401 01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:46.319 And like I said, Specter didn't complain or not, and he just 1402 01:49:46.439 --> 01:49:51.479 ran with it. So there's why the magic pullet was never challenged before it 1403 01:49:51.560 --> 01:49:55.840 was handed to the commission, and it was created out of necessity, as 1404 01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:58.199 B. Pete said, Do you remember that story, right, B Pete? 1405 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:02.880 Yeah, I mean basically, they had to hold themselves to the three 1406 01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:08.479 shots because of the three shells that they supposedly found, So they had to 1407 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:12.079 start for Natelyn, who got hit win well, And the American public was 1408 01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:16.760 going to ask questions because this couple of newspapers in Texas kept printing a story 1409 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:20.960 about a guy named James Tag So they're like, uh, oh, if 1410 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:26.159 we got a bullet down the street, you know, hitting the curb, 1411 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:28.720 and then a piece of the curb or a piece of a bullet hitting this 1412 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:32.319 guy in the face, you know, the third wounded man. That's gonna 1413 01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:36.640 make it a little hard to place all three bullets in the bodies of Kennedy 1414 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:42.119 and Connolly. Right, So not only that you had two holes in Kennedy, 1415 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:44.359 you had one in the front and one of the back, not counting 1416 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:49.399 the head shots. So they had to connect those two to be able to 1417 01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:54.279 account for just the three shells that they claimed or fired or three shots. 1418 01:50:54.399 --> 01:50:57.039 So you know, hey, we got to start, we got to start 1419 01:50:57.119 --> 01:51:00.119 moving stuff around, which kills me because you know, at first, that's 1420 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:01.359 when they came out with it, people said, well, it's impossible to 1421 01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:04.560 line up in the car, blah blah blah blah blah. And then what 1422 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:08.720 ten years down the road, you have somebody come up with this, Oh, 1423 01:51:09.079 --> 01:51:14.479 the single bullet theory is possible because if you take the offsetting seats that 1424 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:20.359 were used between where Connolly was in the front and the jump seats you know 1425 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:24.880 Connolly was, they were all the jump seats in the middle, so in 1426 01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:28.319 front of the president. But we can line it up now and yes, 1427 01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:31.279 it actually fits because the seats are off set by three inches based on the 1428 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.920 arm rest. Blah blah blah, and with the way he was leaning. 1429 01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:39.680 Yes, it's possible to line up, you know, all of those wounds 1430 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:45.079 with one shot. So which set of bull crap do you want to believe? 1431 01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:48.640 Either it was possible or it was impossible? Well, according to the 1432 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:53.720 experts, now after all these years, they're both possible. Well, yeah, 1433 01:51:53.800 --> 01:51:57.439 see there's the problem because to me, it's like, look, you 1434 01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.720 got seven Okay, you got two of the wounds you trying to figure out 1435 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.039 with Kennedy, you know, at a minimum, but you got seven wounds 1436 01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:08.079 to Connoy one way or another between the INDs and the outs. Right, 1437 01:52:08.199 --> 01:52:13.079 It enters his back, exit his chest, just below his nipple, enters 1438 01:52:13.159 --> 01:52:16.520 the wrist. I got a question, exits the risk? Well, but 1439 01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:21.720 I got a question before you keep going in any of these descriptions, did 1440 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:26.880 the bullet Was it ever claim that the bullet actually went through the seat that 1441 01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:30.920 Connley was on, or did it hit him in the armpit in the back 1442 01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:36.000 above the seat and never went through the seat? Well I always had that 1443 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:42.119 question. That's where hitting the movie, he says, the bullet just down 1444 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.880 at some just said to turn around. Well, see, here's the thing 1445 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:48.319 you well, here's now that you turn is based on the fact that they're 1446 01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:54.239 going with a straight line trajectory, which is a is a fallacy anyway, 1447 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:59.680 because anybody who shot a bullet through anything knows that even though it appears to 1448 01:52:59.760 --> 01:53:01.479 be a straight line, if you get real technical about it, it's not 1449 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:06.279 razor straight. Never. There's always some deflection, some drag. It might 1450 01:53:06.359 --> 01:53:11.119 be small, but you're not gonna make perfectly straight lines. I mean two 1451 01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.680 at first, yes, the first thing is a straight line, but once 1452 01:53:14.720 --> 01:53:19.960 you start getting resistance, it starts to change trajectory. So anyway, but 1453 01:53:20.119 --> 01:53:24.439 the thing about this that always killed me is the only reason why I don't 1454 01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:29.479 go for the seat being wounded, is because in any of the photographs, 1455 01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:33.880 there's no evidence that the seat was ever wounded, even the early splatters, 1456 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:38.760 the FBI photo, the Secret Service photo, the photo in the White House. 1457 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:43.479 My question is this, if the seat wasn't damaged, yep, if 1458 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:48.000 the bullet didn't pass through the seat, how did it go from Kennedy's throat 1459 01:53:49.640 --> 01:53:57.600 to the basically the backside of the armpit and then come out as nipple without 1460 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:00.960 hitting the seat. Maybe I had to have jumped, would have had to 1461 01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:04.000 have made a leaf over the seat back. Well, the tumbling. Okay. 1462 01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:10.720 The thing I want to say, the way I understand it's so you 1463 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:15.439 could correct me if I'm wrong. But good I thought these crazy people said 1464 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:20.960 that the bullet hit Kennedy, went through Kennedy, went through Connelly, and 1465 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:26.800 then went back to Kennedy, causing seven wounds and two different people. No, 1466 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:30.279 no, no, no, there's no no, that's not a U 1467 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.119 turn to go hit Kennedy again. No no, no, no, no, 1468 01:54:32.319 --> 01:54:38.880 that's that's a misunderstanding on your part. The the U turn that they 1469 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:42.760 mentioned in the Oliver Stone film and other people used to use in their rhetoric 1470 01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:48.600 is about it changing and going back in another direction after it's already on a 1471 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:55.319 downward direction, moving to the left. See the thing is it strikes Kennedy 1472 01:54:55.439 --> 01:55:00.680 and it's yeah, it's moving down into the left. So so the most 1473 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:04.880 exaggerated, crazy cartoonish way to explain it getting over to the right hand side 1474 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:12.119 of Connolly's body is that it stopped, made a U turn, and then 1475 01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:16.000 turned and went back into Connolly. But that's just a ludicrous thing that they 1476 01:55:16.079 --> 01:55:18.600 presented to try and make it, like, like, how do you make 1477 01:55:18.680 --> 01:55:24.000 this cartoon bullet do this? But the idea is then people get into well 1478 01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:28.920 Connolly turned and all this and the bullets tumbling. But Bpete's question about it 1479 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:34.800 not hitting the seat limits the exposure to where you know, Connolly's back is 1480 01:55:34.880 --> 01:55:40.920 exposed. The only thing is that a jump seat is a little lower than 1481 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:45.760 a regular seat in a car, right, And that's what I'm strump standing 1482 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:47.600 for right now is a picture that actually shows them in the car. I 1483 01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:51.319 know the back of the jump seat is lower because those seats fall down and 1484 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:56.399 can be put out of the way, right, But was it low enough 1485 01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:03.239 that it could enter high enough it because basically it went in down from the 1486 01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:08.119 shoulder into his side, came out the nipple, then hit his wrist, 1487 01:56:08.239 --> 01:56:11.880 then turned hit his leg. Yeah, not to you know, And that's 1488 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:15.159 not counting the jog between Kennedy and Connolly for it to shoot way over to 1489 01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:19.520 the light and hit him in the back of the right armfit right, So 1490 01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:24.600 forgetting that it struck Kennedy at all, what you have is the bullet is 1491 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:29.720 tumbling, and I believe it's tumbling because of the the you know, the 1492 01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:32.039 scar that Connley ended up with on his back, which you know you've seen 1493 01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:38.600 the photograph of that, right Yeah. Okay, so it does appear to 1494 01:56:38.680 --> 01:56:42.119 be tumbling. It's not traveling in that pinpoint, you know, nice spiral 1495 01:56:42.399 --> 01:56:45.399 Okay at this point, so it definitely hit an obstruction. But the thing 1496 01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:49.199 is the obstruction is Kennedy. Remove that from the discussion for a moment. 1497 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:57.000 What happens is this is traveling now downward. Okay, not sharply, but 1498 01:56:57.079 --> 01:57:00.000 you know what the angle is. Essentially it's been changed a little bit, 1499 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:05.359 but it's still traveling downward. So you know, it wasn't deflected up or 1500 01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:11.520 anything like that, or maybe it was slightly deflected up and then deflected down 1501 01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:16.199 traveling through Connolly's body again, because this thing goes down and effectively, you 1502 01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:21.680 know, when it exits through that right nipple, it totally shatters at least 1503 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:27.039 one of the ribs instantly. Yeah. So, because I'm looking at a 1504 01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:31.039 picture here that shows the jump seat lower, but they're showing a trajectory from 1505 01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:39.680 where the actual hole in Kennedy's back was to Connolly's armpit. Not taken into 1506 01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:45.199 consideration supposedly exiting through the throat. And then I mean because it had to 1507 01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:48.560 take a jag to go from where it hit his back to where it came 1508 01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:53.359 out of his throat, so it had to lurch to the left. Now 1509 01:57:53.439 --> 01:57:58.159 it's got to suddenly lurch back to the right to hit Connolly. Well, 1510 01:57:58.640 --> 01:58:01.479 see, I don't believe it has to that herky jerky movement because if you 1511 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:04.720 move him inward a little bit like they, you know, like they've always 1512 01:58:04.720 --> 01:58:09.680 pointed out the single nut people point out, and you drop it down, 1513 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:15.720 here's the thing. If Kennedy is slouched forward, then that changes where it 1514 01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:17.720 can come out his back, and it could potentially come out through his throat. 1515 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:23.960 However, this doesn't mean that it's traveling on the perfect straight line it 1516 01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:28.399 started at when it hit his back. Right. So the thing is, 1517 01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:31.560 I think it does make it, but now it's traveling on a steeper downward 1518 01:58:31.640 --> 01:58:35.800 trajectory, is what it appears to me, because think about this afterwards. 1519 01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:42.560 It ends up going through the wrist, which I'm assuming is lower than his 1520 01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:48.359 nipple at the time, right, So that's a pretty steep trajectory it's got 1521 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:51.880 to get on. So to me, it's a matter of deflection. I 1522 01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:57.359 think it works as a matter of deflection, but that doesn't mean that I 1523 01:58:57.439 --> 01:59:01.239 believe in the single bullet theory. All I'm saying is that it's the potential 1524 01:59:01.319 --> 01:59:05.520 for him to miss the seat and have that trajectory is there. It's awfully 1525 01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:09.800 tight, though, to be honest with you, it is a tight you 1526 01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:12.760 know, there's very little margin prayer if that's what you were going for, 1527 01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:16.880 But clearly nobody was going for exactly how this was going to change trajectory as 1528 01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:21.600 it passed through, right, So you don't need the right terms. Yeah, 1529 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:26.439 car, what's that? No one took pictures of that. No one 1530 01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:31.279 took pictures of that car, which was just bizarre, tragic and a big 1531 01:59:31.439 --> 01:59:38.640 mistake. But we do know that that was messed up somehow. What picture. 1532 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:41.199 You're saying they didn't take pictures of a limo. That's not true. 1533 01:59:44.039 --> 01:59:47.319 There's not no front. I've never seen pictures of the interior and exterior of 1534 01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:51.880 the car that day. They been what you see from video. No. 1535 01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:58.319 I have stills away from that car and they send it to Detroit. No. 1536 01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:03.079 I have stills of from the FBI and also from the Secret Service, 1537 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:11.039 both of them photographed the interior of the car after its fixed, maybe because 1538 02:00:11.279 --> 02:00:14.960 one went straight to Detroit, No, sir, not after it was fixed, 1539 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:17.920 still with the blood spatter everywhere. This is how Sherry Sherry feast are 1540 02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:23.680 examined. The blood spatter from these photographs I have copy. You've got a 1541 02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:27.800 shot in the trim. You've got the photographs of the dent in the trim 1542 02:00:28.520 --> 02:00:32.119 or the roof. Yeah yeah, but all about the windshield. You also 1543 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:35.920 have the chip in the windshield. You've got all shots sewing, all the 1544 02:00:36.039 --> 02:00:42.079 blood on the interior seats and skill skip the windshield. Jimmy, I'm telling 1545 02:00:42.119 --> 02:00:45.279 you there there is a good picture from over over, you know, standing 1546 02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:49.399 over the car with the top open, where you can see the blood spatter, 1547 02:00:49.640 --> 02:00:53.479 some of the flowers still laying on the floor, and even the lamb 1548 02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:58.760 chot puppet. Well, I think those from a life photo. I'm saying, 1549 02:00:58.800 --> 02:01:02.680 I don't think worked worked that car, did they? This is yeah? 1550 02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:05.760 This is well no, no, no, no, Now, I'm 1551 02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:10.239 not saying they did a forensic anything except that they ended up with a with 1552 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:15.720 a bucket and a sponge at one point at Parkland. But and that's true, 1553 02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:20.239 that's in that's myograph. That's crazy. That's obstruction. They're right there. 1554 02:01:20.319 --> 02:01:25.720 They started messing with evidence. It's yeah, it's immediately destroying evidence. 1555 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:30.680 Right. But the thing is they still photographed. The FBI and the Secret 1556 02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:35.279 Service, each independent of each other, photographed one of them. I think 1557 02:01:35.319 --> 02:01:40.760 the FBI did black and white photos and the Uh maybe it's the other way 1558 02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:43.640 around. One of them did color and one of them did black and white. 1559 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:47.760 And I've got copies. I've got four different photographs of the interior of 1560 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:56.600 that car myself personally, from every other guy at Park one, Betazda, 1561 02:01:56.720 --> 02:02:00.359 and every Secret Service guy. Average four or five people claimed that they found 1562 02:02:00.399 --> 02:02:03.960 a bullet in that car or on a stretcher or this, that and the 1563 02:02:04.039 --> 02:02:11.439 other thing. So did they look into the car. They couldn't take a 1564 02:02:11.560 --> 02:02:14.880 picture. They might have had a little lucky loop. Yeah, But all 1565 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:17.279 the guys who are who are claiming to have, you know, put bullets 1566 02:02:17.319 --> 02:02:21.359 here or found a bullet here or whatever. Uh, that's not part of 1567 02:02:21.399 --> 02:02:27.079 what I'm talking about. These photographs. What Okay, I believe the FBI 1568 02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:32.640 photographed it in the White House basement best I can tell, Okay, because 1569 02:02:32.920 --> 02:02:38.239 it was brought back at one point X one hundred arrived at the White House 1570 02:02:39.520 --> 02:02:45.239 later on that night, okay, and it was photographed there, and there 1571 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:47.680 was a sheet showing that it was checked in and who guarded it and everything 1572 02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:55.399 else. But as far as where the other photos came from, where what 1573 02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:59.800 location the car was actually photographed in, I'm not sure. But it looks 1574 02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:01.880 even and fresh. Are the color ones could because it's in color, but 1575 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:09.560 the blood spatter remains despite the cleanup job, and quite frankly that I think 1576 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:12.880 it's the color photos. Maybe it's a black we No, it must be 1577 02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.960 the color photo, the colorfote one of them, one of the sets. 1578 02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:18.720 I don't have it in front of me, but one of the sets you 1579 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:23.720 can see more debris and everything in there. It's clearly, you know, 1580 02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:28.880 not been entirely cleaned up yet, because like I said, the lamb chop 1581 02:03:29.000 --> 02:03:33.760 puppet is still there. There's rose petals. And later they dig out pieces 1582 02:03:33.760 --> 02:03:39.960 of bullet from the carpet on the floor, They dug out fragments. Those 1583 02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:45.640 are accounted for and put into evidence and today they don't exist, but they 1584 02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:49.920 did at one point and they were photographed. Each of the fragments was photographed. 1585 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:56.399 Are you aware of this? What's that name that was the chief of 1586 02:03:56.479 --> 02:04:00.760 the day. He says he went to the to the car Dennis David. 1587 02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:08.399 He bought, Yeah, Dennis David, and he brought back a bullet for 1588 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:13.279 a piece of a bullet. They didn't Okay to my recollection, I could 1589 02:04:13.319 --> 02:04:15.560 be wrong, but I'd have to check back. I mean, David Lifton 1590 02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:20.479 filmed an interview with him in nineteen eighty I think or nineteen seventy nine. 1591 02:04:21.319 --> 02:04:28.199 The thing about that is, Dennis David was instructed by a secret Service agent 1592 02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:35.119 who brought him a couple of small containers with bullet fragments in them, and 1593 02:04:35.239 --> 02:04:40.960 then he was told to type out I believe, I believe it's him. 1594 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:44.119 It was told to type out, you know, a description for this piece 1595 02:04:44.199 --> 02:04:47.399 of evidence. But that was a secret Service agent bringing it to Dennis David. 1596 02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:54.319 Sorry. The guy that's burned in my memory is he was on that 1597 02:04:55.239 --> 02:05:00.000 the men who killed Kennedy and he had glasses mustache. Oh so here's a 1598 02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:05.039 former Navy corman. The guy who was also who was also a cop in 1599 02:05:05.159 --> 02:05:12.399 Florida, right, I don't know about that At that time. They were 1600 02:05:12.479 --> 02:05:15.600 just talking about his medical stuff. Yeah, he went to Vietnam and got 1601 02:05:15.640 --> 02:05:18.399 wounded pretty bad in his leg, and when he came back to the world, 1602 02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:23.159 he wound up being a cop. Why am I drawing a blank on 1603 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:28.880 his name? He was super popular though. Let's see if I just checked 1604 02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:31.319 cast of the men who killed Kennedy, I'm sure it'll come right on up. 1605 02:05:32.079 --> 02:05:35.079 But I know exactly what you're talking about though. He had the very 1606 02:05:35.159 --> 02:05:41.800 typical nineteen seventies looking glasses on that had a tint, and he had a 1607 02:05:41.840 --> 02:05:46.439 beard, right, yeah, yeah, perfect, that's the dude for sure. 1608 02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:50.479 All right, let me double it. Yeah. I was like, 1609 02:05:50.840 --> 02:05:57.960 yeah, there's my fellow navy man. I reckonize he was saying, is 1610 02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:02.520 a vast conspiracy? Oh yeah, well and look everybody, it's a naval 1611 02:06:02.600 --> 02:06:08.199 hospital. What do you want? So you're gonna you're gonna see guess who. 1612 02:06:08.479 --> 02:06:12.239 Lots of Navy people, and most of them, you know Corman or 1613 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:20.600 uh you know, in training for their medical stuff, right at least yeah, 1614 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:26.000 Corman's. It's a full year program. I know, it's pretty close 1615 02:06:26.119 --> 02:06:30.279 to being a nurse, and it's like the most stringe end of the medic 1616 02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:33.880 stuff. Well right, I mean, but just like anything. I mean, 1617 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:38.439 actually, b pte. You were a a weren't you a medica at 1618 02:06:38.680 --> 02:06:43.199 a certain point? Yeah, I was a combat Medican Army. There you 1619 02:06:43.319 --> 02:06:45.600 go. He was in the army. So it's a little different than the 1620 02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:48.800 Navy, but I'm sure it's different and yet the same you're talking about, 1621 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:55.199 Paul. Wow, we had we had health specialists that were like Corman in 1622 02:06:55.319 --> 02:06:59.920 the Navy. Okay, basically they took they had another week of training now 1623 02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:02.560 for us where it was just hospital crap, where all of our crap was 1624 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:08.079 battlefield conditions fair enough, So you were taught to, you know, do 1625 02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:10.359 stuff on the fly, and they were taught to do stuff, you know, 1626 02:07:10.439 --> 02:07:13.920 once you get him back to somewhere where you can control the environment. 1627 02:07:14.439 --> 02:07:17.479 Paul O'Connor. Paul O'Connor is the name of the guy you're looking for, 1628 02:07:19.800 --> 02:07:27.199 Jimmy Paul. Yeah, Paul absolutely sounds right. Yep, it's Paul O'Connor. 1629 02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:29.239 And yeah, he was an interesting guy and he had a lot of 1630 02:07:29.239 --> 02:07:31.920 stuff. He's the guy who during the Man who killed Kennedy and other interviews, 1631 02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:39.760 talks about how Kennedy's body was actually in excuse me, a body bag, 1632 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:45.119 and you know, and he wasn't yeah, yep, exactly, which 1633 02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:53.520 is awesome interesting because there's a video, a not very old video of he 1634 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:58.079 must be one of the few park On people that just love that warm report. 1635 02:08:00.159 --> 02:08:01.680 Was it. No, he was on the other end. This guy 1636 02:08:01.920 --> 02:08:07.920 was one of I guess probably one of the officers. And he was first 1637 02:08:07.079 --> 02:08:13.079 blabbing about oh yeah, no, he wasn't park because he described how he 1638 02:08:13.279 --> 02:08:18.920 sent how he sent Kennedy wrapped in a towel, this and that, and 1639 02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:22.479 then he started ridiculing people who believe a conspiracy. And I was thinking, 1640 02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:28.960 well, that's interesting because when he arrived he was in a body bag, 1641 02:08:28.079 --> 02:08:31.680 and you didn't mention that. Well, that's not Paul O'Connor. Okay, 1642 02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:35.399 so Paul O'Connor, No, no, no, no, no, no, 1643 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:39.000 no, no, Paul. I was talking about a totally different guy. 1644 02:08:39.119 --> 02:08:45.800 This guy was some officer just that gave an interview a few years ago 1645 02:08:46.039 --> 02:08:50.039 for the sixth Coore. Okay, well that's a different story, you know, 1646 02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:54.079 when you're talking about the Bethesda people there to people that received it, 1647 02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:56.720 O'Connor is definitely the guy who says it showed up. I think he said 1648 02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.399 in a slate colored body bag with a zipper and this and that, and 1649 02:09:01.439 --> 02:09:05.319 he describes unzipping the body bag and all that. That's Paul O'Connor, the 1650 02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.319 guy at Bethesda, I mean, the guy at Parkland. I'm not sure 1651 02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:15.279 who we're talking about just yet, but you know, I can't remember which 1652 02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:18.600 ender he was on, but I was he had to have been on the 1653 02:09:18.720 --> 02:09:24.520 receiving end, because I remember him saying how it arrived, how he's seen 1654 02:09:24.600 --> 02:09:28.039 the body bag, and I thought, well, that's interesting, because the 1655 02:09:28.119 --> 02:09:31.640 people in Dallas didn't send him that way. No, according to the people 1656 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:37.359 in Dallas, they threw a plastic, a piece of plastic down in the 1657 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:41.239 casket and then they wrapped his head in, you know, towels and stuff 1658 02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:46.439 that they had land there, and placed him in the casket that way, 1659 02:09:48.640 --> 02:09:54.399 wrapped in some hospital bedding and some towels, And that's the way he should 1660 02:09:54.399 --> 02:09:58.880 have arrived, in the bronze type casket that they acquired from the local funeral 1661 02:09:58.960 --> 02:10:01.800 home. And they figure that's the way he should have arrived. Then they 1662 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:09.079 cut to in many interviews on the nineteen eighty eight Nova special on the Man 1663 02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:16.159 Who Killed Kennedy and also on the home video that David livedon released where Paul 1664 02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:20.319 O'Connor is always the punchline to it, where he comes out and goes That's 1665 02:10:20.399 --> 02:10:22.960 not the way I got the body. He was in a body bag. 1666 02:10:22.079 --> 02:10:26.279 It was a dark color, had a zipper on it. This and that. 1667 02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:30.640 There wasn't any towels. He was naked, Now that's consistent. He's 1668 02:10:30.720 --> 02:10:35.560 naked in both places. But other than that, you know, the whole 1669 02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:39.720 rest of it's a complete you know. Then they talk about the shipping casket 1670 02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:45.239 versus you know, a funeral home casket, not top of the line, 1671 02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:52.000 but an ornate casket. Right, So totally, Yeah, Paul the future, 1672 02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:58.000 he would see all kinds of the same body bags in the same caskets 1673 02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:03.479 of Vietnam, right because generally speaking, this was a standard sort of military 1674 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:09.560 casket. When people died and nom they sent them home in these and uh, 1675 02:11:09.680 --> 02:11:16.840 you know, coincidentally, that's exactly how you know a certain high level 1676 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:22.600 heroin smuggler was getting the dope straight from the triangle courtesy of the uh you 1677 02:11:22.680 --> 02:11:28.359 know, courtesy of the US military, is that they were actually shipping the 1678 02:11:28.439 --> 02:11:33.239 dope in the bottom. Yeah, not the milit You can't, no, 1679 02:11:33.720 --> 02:11:37.760 you can't say that. Yes, dirty did it. Yes, I'm not 1680 02:11:37.920 --> 02:11:43.319 saying that somebody officially let it happen. What I'm saying is that somebody who 1681 02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:48.239 was there was sneaking in dope in these caskets because there was a constant delivery 1682 02:11:48.880 --> 02:11:54.199 coming to the US that doesn't have to go through customs, that shouldn't be 1683 02:11:54.239 --> 02:12:00.439 getting inspected by anybody, So they put dope in the caskets in order to 1684 02:12:00.600 --> 02:12:05.000 ship it here by the kilos miniell that actually was taking place here at Fort 1685 02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:09.760 Bragg. In fact, when they busted the guys, I think it was 1686 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:11.880 through what they found at Fort Bragg when they started taking a park office. 1687 02:12:13.000 --> 02:12:16.119 Yeah, Frank, good god. The guy they made the movie American Gangster 1688 02:12:16.199 --> 02:12:24.560 about anyway, his family what they called him, the Country Boys. They 1689 02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:28.640 were from North Carolina, b Pete. So he was his cousins in North 1690 02:12:28.720 --> 02:12:35.880 Carolina and his one other cousin who was working over in Asia got together and 1691 02:12:35.119 --> 02:12:39.159 put this together. So they you know, they paid off people along the 1692 02:12:39.199 --> 02:12:41.600 way. So there was definitely you know, different MPs and stuff given. 1693 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:46.079 Hey, look, don't investigate, don't look into these things, don't disturb 1694 02:12:46.159 --> 02:12:50.880 these caskets. My guys are gonna come by. Frank Lucas, my guys 1695 02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:52.560 are gonna come by and we're going to take stuff out of the caskets. 1696 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:56.560 All you got to do is turn your head for a minute. You know, 1697 02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:58.960 these guys' bodies are still going to go home. We're not going to 1698 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:01.319 mess with them or nothing. We're just going to pick up a little extra 1699 02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:05.920 something, something that's in there. So they'd slipped them a couple, you 1700 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:09.359 know, one hundred or couple of thousand dollars a month, and boom, 1701 02:13:11.119 --> 02:13:15.279 they don't see anything. Right, that was part of the that was part 1702 02:13:15.319 --> 02:13:18.199 of the chain. I'm not saying the military did it directly, but there's 1703 02:13:18.359 --> 02:13:22.479 a military transport literally carrying dope. Whether they know it or not, another 1704 02:13:22.600 --> 02:13:26.560 story. The guys guarding it know it. That, by the way, 1705 02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:33.520 is a huge thunder crash if you heard that. But that's yeah, but 1706 02:13:33.600 --> 02:13:39.199 that's all some people say. They tried to say that that I ran cap 1707 02:13:39.319 --> 02:13:43.079 to craft. Try to say that. George Bush and burn All whatever his 1708 02:13:43.239 --> 02:13:50.159 name as North Fording rails just that. The other thing, I think there's 1709 02:13:50.279 --> 02:13:56.279 more of the Air America guys taken advantage of the situation. Well that's a 1710 02:13:56.359 --> 02:14:01.279 separate the others. Yeah, that's a separate you in a separate discussion. 1711 02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:07.159 I'm talking about nineteen seventies, sixties and seventies dope that was coming into New 1712 02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:13.039 York City directly, and it wasn't being transported by the French Connection or the 1713 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:20.840 Italian mafia. This was an independent operation that was starting to beat the hell 1714 02:14:22.079 --> 02:14:24.760 out of the local dope brothers because he was getting a cheaper direct straight from 1715 02:14:24.800 --> 02:14:31.640 the source. Go ahead wouldn't have taken over for the French connection to Vietnam 1716 02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:39.560 and the mid sixties went from being a French or being ow No, the 1717 02:14:41.000 --> 02:14:48.079 dope connection is different. What I'm saying is Frank Lucas put this thing together 1718 02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:52.920 on his own, and at that time the Italian or Sicilians who were bringing 1719 02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:58.560 stuff in, who were working with the French, had their own system. 1720 02:15:00.039 --> 02:15:07.479 Lucas initially, all the way up until Vietnam ended, was using military transports 1721 02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:13.840 instead of you know, hiring a plane, getting your own pilots, having 1722 02:15:13.920 --> 02:15:18.359 smugglers run and everything else. He was just paying off people along the way, 1723 02:15:18.479 --> 02:15:24.840 don't inspect the caskets, and let let our guys load him up. 1724 02:15:24.039 --> 02:15:30.800 It probably probably it was. I mean, it's a pretty disrespectful thing. 1725 02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:33.319 To full five. He's probably not don't even thought about it for a long 1726 02:15:33.439 --> 02:15:39.439 time. Well that's the true. Even when these guys, the guy from 1727 02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:43.920 New Jersey who busted in on the guys in New York to uh, you 1728 02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:46.560 know, to get straight on and I want to I want to look at 1729 02:15:46.600 --> 02:15:50.319 this and everything else. I think they show it in the movie American Gangster, 1730 02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:52.840 like the military guys were getting ready to shoot him because they were like, 1731 02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:56.359 you know, screw you, You're not messing with our brothers bodies. 1732 02:15:58.000 --> 02:16:00.680 And he's like, look, I'm not trying to desecrate it an anybody's body. 1733 02:16:01.239 --> 02:16:05.199 There's dope in there. And you know, whoever was in charge on 1734 02:16:05.279 --> 02:16:09.359 the base, I mean pretty much was just about came to the you know, 1735 02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:11.800 shoot this guy if he tries to open the casket. You know. 1736 02:16:15.079 --> 02:16:22.760 But actually I picture and a works, and I mean I know the canag 1737 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:30.960 literally as people stand for transporting just se Well, like b PTE said, 1738 02:16:31.239 --> 02:16:33.959 part of that had to go through Fort Bragg. I don't think it all 1739 02:16:33.040 --> 02:16:37.000 did because and here's the other thing is after it would hit some place. 1740 02:16:39.639 --> 02:16:45.760 Well, there were a few instances. The story about using the caskets was 1741 02:16:45.879 --> 02:16:52.280 something that Lucas claimed to try to throw them off from what was actually happening. 1742 02:16:52.399 --> 02:16:58.600 Guys were bringing it in just on military transport through their own luggage and 1743 02:16:58.680 --> 02:17:03.600 stuff like that was where the most of it came in. Here, Yeah, 1744 02:17:03.639 --> 02:17:11.520 they had used some, but the well let me let me help you. 1745 02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:15.079 The drug dealer until credit for smuggling heroin in the coffins, and then 1746 02:17:15.120 --> 02:17:18.120 serviceman was arrested before I go Atkinson, he's another one that was arrested here. 1747 02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:22.200 He's from North Carolina as well. They were all in the same group, 1748 02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:26.479 the coffins. It was a couple of instances where that happened, but 1749 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:31.559 the majority of it was coming back in either their luggage or in their personal 1750 02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:35.920 items that were being shipped when they changed stations, and that's how a lot 1751 02:17:35.000 --> 02:17:37.840 of the stuff got moved to like Fort Benning, Georgia. They found some 1752 02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:41.959 in a guy's furniture when he had it all packed up for his for his 1753 02:17:43.159 --> 02:17:46.559 move to his new duty station. But here's yeah, military transports were used. 1754 02:17:46.959 --> 02:17:50.959 Coffins was a method, but it was more it was more live than 1755 02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:56.479 fact. When when Frank Lucas started telling them what was going on, he 1756 02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.719 was bullshitting them. The whole time. Okay, I know that sounds comforting, 1757 02:17:58.799 --> 02:18:07.159 But here's the thing. I happened to know from direct knowledge that that 1758 02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:13.639 wasn't a lie. It took place, and there was a variety of things 1759 02:18:13.840 --> 02:18:26.520 where there was many military guys who some knowingly and some unknowingly, facilitated the 1760 02:18:26.680 --> 02:18:31.479 movement of a large amount. Look, logistically, you can only put so 1761 02:18:31.639 --> 02:18:35.719 much in a casket. And when these caskets show up, Okay, you 1762 02:18:35.799 --> 02:18:39.639 think people make mistakes with shipping and all this other stuff. They took special 1763 02:18:39.719 --> 02:18:43.520 care with that. But when they would show up at one place, they 1764 02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:46.440 would then have to be sent back to their families, you know, in 1765 02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:50.239 a lot of cases, or they were sent for you know, burials somewhere. 1766 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:54.639 There's a lot of problems there. But it did occur with the caskets, 1767 02:18:54.799 --> 02:19:00.280 and it occurred in a variety of places. Some places have It's still 1768 02:19:00.520 --> 02:19:07.239 not been described publicly that I know about, but it just so happens. 1769 02:19:07.399 --> 02:19:13.159 That's the time period when I started getting taught just after this, mind you, 1770 02:19:13.719 --> 02:19:16.200 this is when I'm getting taught how to cut dope. This is when 1771 02:19:16.239 --> 02:19:22.719 I'm working in basements of some government housing, working with people to create packages 1772 02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:28.920 working with the stuff that was coming in, and it came through a whole 1773 02:19:30.000 --> 02:19:37.479 lot of stuff through military transport up until the full cessation of Vietnam. Then 1774 02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:39.520 they worked around it. And I don't think to this day it's been brought 1775 02:19:39.559 --> 02:19:45.719 in court or on a TV show or by anybody. And Lucas has done 1776 02:19:45.760 --> 02:19:50.959 his thing already, but he's never fully capped to somewhere that dope was coming 1777 02:19:50.040 --> 02:19:56.360 from. And that's just the bottom line. I know that there was a 1778 02:19:56.639 --> 02:20:01.559 whole lot of different ways, one way or another, the military, whether 1779 02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:05.639 they knew it or only certain people knew about it, there was lots of 1780 02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:11.920 military movement of drugs. Okay, might be a service guy being paid to 1781 02:20:11.959 --> 02:20:16.079 turn his back, might be an empty being told not to look at stuff. 1782 02:20:16.559 --> 02:20:20.479 It might a whole lot of different ways, but there was a serious 1783 02:20:20.559 --> 02:20:24.760 soldier connection. And I'll tell you the simplest reason why it happened. There 1784 02:20:24.840 --> 02:20:26.879 was a bunch of guys that came back from nom As you well know, 1785 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:33.559 addicted. So guess what you could pay them in partially a good supply of 1786 02:20:33.680 --> 02:20:41.000 heroin for themselves and some cash paid better than whatever it was you guys were 1787 02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:46.719 getting as a paycheck. By a long shot. So, you know, 1788 02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:50.520 I want to go back to Jimmy's comment about you know, Iran Contra and 1789 02:20:50.680 --> 02:20:56.200 how North and a few other people were involved in some shady dealings, but 1790 02:20:56.360 --> 02:21:01.000 that there were persons that took advantage of the situation. I have to disagree 1791 02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:05.639 with that completely. They knew the federal government knew exactly what Barry Seal and 1792 02:21:05.680 --> 02:21:07.319 the rest of them were bringing back and knew what they were doing on it. 1793 02:21:07.440 --> 02:21:11.159 They went in with their help and Nna Arkansas Clinton knew about it. 1794 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:18.200 He knew what was going on because everybody involved was getting their cut. Yeah, 1795 02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:20.040 the government was dealing dope, plain and simple. I don't care what 1796 02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:24.319 anybody says. And Oliver north Forest I concern needs to be in jail just 1797 02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:28.520 like the rest of the people. If they hadn't screwed up given him immunity 1798 02:21:28.000 --> 02:21:33.360 when he tested five before Congress. Then when he did go to court and 1799 02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:37.120 they had to drop to you know, he got what found guilty and then 1800 02:21:37.159 --> 02:21:41.520 they it got reversed because of the immunity that was given to Congress. I 1801 02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:43.360 mean, they shot that whole operation in the foot if they wanted people to 1802 02:21:43.399 --> 02:21:48.479 be held responsible for it. But that's the thing. They didn't want people 1803 02:21:48.559 --> 02:21:52.840 to be held responsible for it, so they could claim all just some rope 1804 02:21:52.920 --> 02:21:54.920 side of the operation that went off and was making money on their own. 1805 02:21:56.360 --> 02:22:00.680 That's bull crap. Them government knew exactly what was going on, facilitated the 1806 02:22:00.719 --> 02:22:03.159 whole damn thing. Okay, one second, Jimmy, I had to mute 1807 02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:05.399 you because you were starting to feedback when when BP was talking. But I'm 1808 02:22:05.399 --> 02:22:09.639 going to bring you back on uh real quick though. Just I want to 1809 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:13.840 make one thing extremely clear here. The stuff that I have direct knowledge about, 1810 02:22:13.920 --> 02:22:18.079 and the stuff I was just talking about is in no way connected to 1811 02:22:18.239 --> 02:22:24.440 Iran Contra. Okay, Iran Contra and that cocaine that's cocaine. First of 1812 02:22:24.479 --> 02:22:26.799 all, all that stuff is you know, No, no, I'm not. 1813 02:22:26.920 --> 02:22:31.360 I'm not. I'm not making the assumption that you that these are connected 1814 02:22:31.479 --> 02:22:33.959 two totally different things. I'm not sure if I wanted to go back to 1815 02:22:33.040 --> 02:22:37.120 that comment that I'm not trying to correct you, if someone taken advantage of 1816 02:22:37.159 --> 02:22:41.719 the government. Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. Okay, I'm 1817 02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:45.239 not trying to correct you. I'm trying to separate it for the listener that 1818 02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:48.879 when we're talking about Iran contra. It is not the heroin deal I'm talking 1819 02:22:48.920 --> 02:22:54.079 about, Okay, It's it's separate issues. It's strug dealing. Yes, 1820 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:58.959 there's a military element involved, yes, but I am not talking about either. 1821 02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:03.959 Those things are not connected Frank Lucas and his group, which was bigger 1822 02:23:03.000 --> 02:23:07.479 than just him and his family. Despite what they show you an American gangster, 1823 02:23:09.159 --> 02:23:13.319 there is a group of people on the East Coast Okay that are getting 1824 02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:18.079 a direct line of heroin. And the whole big problem why certain people got 1825 02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:22.079 shot at and why a bunch of bodies got dumped in Harlem that nobody cared 1826 02:23:22.079 --> 02:23:30.559 about, is because they had challenged the French and Sicilians who were working together 1827 02:23:30.760 --> 02:23:33.120 for most of the heroin. And they had been doing that since like the 1828 02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:39.760 turn of the freaking century. I mean since before Prohibition. There was Italians 1829 02:23:39.799 --> 02:23:46.360 and Frenchmen shipping heroin into the US. Okay, they had their establishment for 1830 02:23:46.479 --> 02:23:50.479 more than half a century before Frank Lucas comes in. Now, I don't 1831 02:23:50.559 --> 02:23:56.200 know what the Bumpy Johnson deal was, or you know, the Godfather Harlem 1832 02:23:56.319 --> 02:24:01.239 was doing before Frank Lucas. I don't know. We're basically just trying to 1833 02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:03.879 cut out the middle guy. He found a direct source in Vietnam so he 1834 02:24:03.920 --> 02:24:07.600 didn't have to go through the underworld connections they had been dealing with before. 1835 02:24:07.680 --> 02:24:11.120 And that I have ticked off the organized crime is Hey, he's got his 1836 02:24:11.200 --> 02:24:13.719 own connection now, straight from the source. We got to do something about 1837 02:24:13.760 --> 02:24:16.559 this, right, And that's why there's a certain time period there where they 1838 02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:20.000 show there's like a deal being made and all that, where it's like they 1839 02:24:20.120 --> 02:24:24.000 come to him and I forget that character actor's name who plays the mafia guy, 1840 02:24:24.079 --> 02:24:28.360 but he's pretty cool and it's pretty funny where he goes. How about 1841 02:24:28.399 --> 02:24:30.479 us? So the dairy farmers out here, Frank, do you have a 1842 02:24:30.559 --> 02:24:33.040 think of us the other dairy farmers? You know, the government controls milk 1843 02:24:33.079 --> 02:24:35.920 prices for a reason. I mean, to me, it cracks me up. 1844 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:41.680 But it's true to a degree. That movie is exaggerated, misses a 1845 02:24:41.719 --> 02:24:48.600 lot of things, misrepresents a bunch of stuff, but essentially the idea that 1846 02:24:48.719 --> 02:24:52.120 you just put forth is exactly right. Lucas and his people, which included 1847 02:24:52.159 --> 02:24:56.920 he had a built in organization because he brought his brothers in, brothers, 1848 02:24:58.040 --> 02:25:03.559 cousins, all that right, Nephew's nieces. Okay, mostly the men, 1849 02:25:03.920 --> 02:25:07.079 not the girls, all right. The girls they got other things to do, 1850 02:25:07.600 --> 02:25:11.079 and they weren't in the dope business. You know. Like his mother's 1851 02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:15.079 there living with him, she's not dealing with the dope business. There's a 1852 02:25:15.120 --> 02:25:16.559 whole thing where she's like, I don't ask you how you make your money. 1853 02:25:18.079 --> 02:25:22.680 And that's the way it is. But I'm just saying that that particular 1854 02:25:22.840 --> 02:25:26.760 line, that particular group of people, that's who the distributor is for the 1855 02:25:26.799 --> 02:25:30.680 stuff that ends up in my little hands. And I'm being taught at a 1856 02:25:30.719 --> 02:25:35.559 step on packages, you know what I mean. So I was around that 1857 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:39.360 stuff. I was in Harlem at the time. I used to go in 1858 02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:41.799 and out of there all the time. That's why I don't know. Did 1859 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:48.360 I ever tell you the story about meeting Tony Seleerno? B people. I 1860 02:25:48.520 --> 02:25:52.280 met Tony Seleno at one point, and if you don't know who that is, 1861 02:25:52.399 --> 02:25:58.520 he was literally like, you know, commission member, all that total 1862 02:25:58.600 --> 02:26:01.479 accidental meeting. I'm a little and he looked at me and was worried that 1863 02:26:01.600 --> 02:26:05.639 somebody wasn't gonna feed me. Nice guy, apparently he's nasty to a lot 1864 02:26:05.680 --> 02:26:09.959 of people, very direct, very abrupt, very violent, all that good 1865 02:26:11.000 --> 02:26:13.360 stuff. But he sees me as a little kid with dirty, thick glasses 1866 02:26:13.959 --> 02:26:18.840 hanging out with you know, a guy who's just some wise guy jerk from 1867 02:26:18.200 --> 02:26:22.079 Jersey, and his whole thing is, is somebody gonna feed this kid? 1868 02:26:24.600 --> 02:26:28.120 Because I was there doing work, and later on I would get taught how 1869 02:26:28.159 --> 02:26:31.440 to handle it, how to cut it up, the proper procedures, package 1870 02:26:31.479 --> 02:26:35.200 it, make sure it's safe, make sure I'm putting the right thing in 1871 02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:37.920 so that, you know, the injectables don't burn people. All that kind 1872 02:26:37.959 --> 02:26:41.840 of good stuff. That's the trade that I got handed, you know, 1873 02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:46.840 after a bit of an education. That's the truth of it. So I 1874 02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:52.159 have a front row seat to part of what went on once that stuff arrives 1875 02:26:52.200 --> 02:26:58.479 in New York. So I'm saying, so I know that even after Vietnam, 1876 02:26:58.479 --> 02:27:01.719 because in that movie they sort of say, you know, the Vietnam 1877 02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:07.319 War ends, he goes away. His business didn't stop, and his supply 1878 02:27:07.479 --> 02:27:13.000 didn't stop. It just got a little bit harder because they weren't shipping bodies 1879 02:27:13.079 --> 02:27:20.159 home all the time from Vietnam. Okay, but still the military had shipments. 1880 02:27:20.280 --> 02:27:24.639 The military has personnel transports, you know, when somebody goes home because 1881 02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:28.760 they're leaving the military or going on leave for a little while, they got 1882 02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:31.520 to be transported somewhere, And like you said, sometimes it's in the luggage. 1883 02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:37.639 Sometimes it's in the furniture being shipped. I'll tell you one of the 1884 02:27:37.680 --> 02:27:41.799 best ones is always if a vehicle is actually moved for somebody, and it's 1885 02:27:41.840 --> 02:27:46.200 not even necessarily the guy whose vehicle it is or whose furniture it is or 1886 02:27:46.239 --> 02:27:50.600 whatever, because somebody can take advantage of that. Right a higher up sends 1887 02:27:50.639 --> 02:27:56.319 his car literally home to say North Carolina. Well, if he actually wants 1888 02:27:56.399 --> 02:28:01.840 to send his European car home or is whatever home, he can do that. 1889 02:28:01.719 --> 02:28:07.319 But somebody else might take a part part of that car and stash an 1890 02:28:07.399 --> 02:28:11.319 extra hundred pounds of heroin, which nobody would notice or bat an eye at, 1891 02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:13.840 as long as they're not taking the car part or X ray and things. 1892 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:18.280 Right, So, these kinds of things went on, and it is 1893 02:28:18.479 --> 02:28:28.000 such a wide variety of methodologies that nobody could definitively say, I don't think 1894 02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:33.760 anybody had knowledge of every single which way it went, you know what I'm 1895 02:28:33.760 --> 02:28:35.920 saying. Because even the guy who was say, involved in the furniture like 1896 02:28:37.000 --> 02:28:39.399 you were talking about, or a guy was involved with the caskets. These 1897 02:28:39.479 --> 02:28:43.079 guys might never ever have a conversation with each other, because how do you 1898 02:28:43.159 --> 02:28:46.559 keep something going long for so long? You keep your eff and mouth shut. 1899 02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:50.000 Anyway, I'm gonna let Jimmy back on, but I wanted to kill 1900 02:28:50.040 --> 02:28:52.879 him because of the feedback. You got anything else you want to tell him 1901 02:28:52.879 --> 02:28:58.319 about before? I let him lose? No, let him go, all 1902 02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:03.399 right, and we are overtime here, so you know, just saying we 1903 02:29:03.479 --> 02:29:07.879 went extra time apparently, no, Aaron for sure this week, I do 1904 02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:11.920 have an audio clip I was thinking about playing, but it's getting late and 1905 02:29:11.079 --> 02:29:15.680 I am kind of hungry. So and I'm sure be Pete. I mean, 1906 02:29:15.719 --> 02:29:16.559 I know you don't got you don't got to work tomorrow, right, 1907 02:29:18.760 --> 02:29:22.319 No, But I got a crap other stuff to do here in the yard. 1908 02:29:22.360 --> 02:29:24.440 I got about two months of yard work catch up off. Oh well, 1909 02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:26.399 I don't want a hundred degree with it. I don't want to keep 1910 02:29:26.440 --> 02:29:28.079 you. I mean, look, if you want to bail, I mean 1911 02:29:28.159 --> 02:29:31.600 I can close this out with Jimmy and if anybody else adds in, if 1912 02:29:31.639 --> 02:29:37.159 you want to get going, yeah, I'm gonna have to bail shortly here 1913 02:29:37.280 --> 02:29:41.319 and it's already what twenty almost twenty to eleven. Yeah, so I'm sorry. 1914 02:29:41.440 --> 02:29:43.600 I didn't mean to hold you overtime, but I just figured we can 1915 02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:50.000 run. Why not, right, I don't blame you for going to the 1916 02:29:50.040 --> 02:29:52.040 extra camp. Okay, So what we'll do is we'll get an answer from 1917 02:29:52.159 --> 02:29:54.840 Jimmy, and then maybe i'll take a break, we'll say good night to 1918 02:29:54.879 --> 02:29:58.920 beat Pete, and we'll see where we stand by the time we get there. 1919 02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:01.959 Maybe i'll give you a little extra bonus and we'll get a full three 1920 02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:05.600 hours or three and a half hours in here tonight. So anyway, Jimmy, 1921 02:30:05.600 --> 02:30:07.559 I'm gonna take you off hold. But again, I only put you 1922 02:30:07.639 --> 02:30:11.920 on hold because you were starting to feedback. It was like nasty noise coming 1923 02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:16.440 back from BP talking and I don't know why, but I wanted to make 1924 02:30:16.479 --> 02:30:20.120 sure everybody was clear. So let's let you get back in on it. 1925 02:30:20.280 --> 02:30:26.319 Jimmy. God, I was trying to ask BP the questions. What it 1926 02:30:26.600 --> 02:30:30.600 was. Oh, it sounded like I'm the angle. Sorry, it sounded 1927 02:30:30.639 --> 02:30:33.040 like feedback, like there was noise coming back at us. So I apologize, 1928 02:30:35.159 --> 02:30:43.079 that's right. I just on the Iran Contra. I guess my main 1929 02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:50.559 promise tonight that I've been trying to say is again that the same techniques that 1930 02:30:50.719 --> 02:30:56.879 were used on Halfa, were used in Watergate, were used in Iran Contra 1931 02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:03.079 and Iran Contra. All you would have to do is replace the name mcgirder 1932 02:31:03.280 --> 02:31:09.200 for Bud McFarland, replace the name John Dean with Colonel North. It's the 1933 02:31:09.319 --> 02:31:15.760 same playbook, down to the TV coverage. While they simultaneously work on the 1934 02:31:15.879 --> 02:31:20.399 side with the legal system, while they simultaneously work with the media. It's 1935 02:31:20.440 --> 02:31:26.200 the same thing with the Russia hopes, the January sixth hopes, and the 1936 02:31:26.440 --> 02:31:31.719 trials, the many trials of mister Trump hopes. I'm telling you it's the 1937 02:31:31.799 --> 02:31:37.000 same literal playbook, the laws of conspiracy. Okay, well you know again, 1938 02:31:37.200 --> 02:31:41.520 I don't do the Friday Night Show for the sake of debate, But 1939 02:31:41.120 --> 02:31:43.399 there you go. What do you have to say about that VPT anything, 1940 02:31:46.200 --> 02:31:48.600 Well, just for the sake of debate. I don't think Oliver North can 1941 02:31:48.680 --> 02:31:52.520 be compared to the position of John Dean. I mean, if we remember 1942 02:31:52.600 --> 02:31:56.760 correctly, John Deane was the one singing to everybody to cover his own ass. 1943 02:31:58.280 --> 02:32:01.799 Oliver North didn't sing anybody when he got found out. Yeah, he 1944 02:32:01.840 --> 02:32:05.879 went and testified. I mean, I'll never forget his his famous line when 1945 02:32:05.920 --> 02:32:11.559 they're you know, the people on the commissioner or the hearing, or talking 1946 02:32:11.319 --> 02:32:15.920 to his lawyer about North, who was sitting right there. And finally he 1947 02:32:16.079 --> 02:32:18.000 just you know, one of my potted plant is you're going to talk about 1948 02:32:18.079 --> 02:32:22.040 me, talk to me. I'm here. You know. It was kind 1949 02:32:22.079 --> 02:32:26.079 of funny, But now John Deane was basically the weasel in the in the 1950 02:32:26.479 --> 02:32:31.879 group of Oliver North. As much as I despise Oliver North for what he 1951 02:32:33.040 --> 02:32:39.159 got away with and his blatant gas lighting of Congress Oliver North, I mean 1952 02:32:39.280 --> 02:32:43.360 he was loyal to the end. You know. He basically said, hey, 1953 02:32:43.559 --> 02:32:46.040 these are my orders, and I followed through. I did what I 1954 02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:50.520 had to do. What he didn't say and what he wasn't honest about was 1955 02:32:50.639 --> 02:32:54.559 him trying to take a little bit of the money and shoving it off to 1956 02:32:54.639 --> 02:33:00.319 the side to use for his little side business. He had going on about 1957 02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:03.680 being able to fund things. You know, you wonder, you wonder where 1958 02:33:03.719 --> 02:33:05.920 money comes from for some of this co op stuff. It's usually from the 1959 02:33:07.040 --> 02:33:11.239 last co op thing that was going on where they just shoved a little money 1960 02:33:11.280 --> 02:33:15.399 to the side for safe keeping so that they could use later and it'd be 1961 02:33:15.479 --> 02:33:20.559 totally untraceable. Oliver North was a crook. He knew what he was doing. 1962 02:33:20.360 --> 02:33:24.079 He just luckily got caught under an immunity deal that saved his skin later 1963 02:33:24.200 --> 02:33:28.639 on. The part that I hate about it is when all of this was 1964 02:33:28.719 --> 02:33:33.600 said and done, suddenly they're trying to resurrect Oliver North is this great American 1965 02:33:33.719 --> 02:33:37.040 hero and he was a corrupt crook just as much as the rest of him. 1966 02:33:37.079 --> 02:33:41.239 He was misgrace to the damn uniform. And why are we making a 1967 02:33:41.280 --> 02:33:45.479 hero out of somebody that was blatantly doing something that he knew was illegal but 1968 02:33:45.639 --> 02:33:48.680 did it anyway because he thought his orders would cover his ass And it hadn't 1969 02:33:48.680 --> 02:33:52.399 been for the community deal in Congress, he'd be in prisoned. So screw 1970 02:33:52.479 --> 02:33:58.600 Oliver North. Fucker's hero status is a crook. You know my major criticism 1971 02:33:58.639 --> 02:34:01.559 because I'm not surprised, shocked, or even bothered by it, because I 1972 02:34:01.600 --> 02:34:05.799 assume these kind of things go on more often than we hear about. You 1973 02:34:05.920 --> 02:34:09.319 know, what the issue is for me is that John dene is a little 1974 02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:13.000 more skilled as a talking head when they bring him on a show, and 1975 02:34:13.000 --> 02:34:16.959 probably is a slightly better talk show host, because you know, even the 1976 02:34:18.040 --> 02:34:20.520 fans of Bali North don't seem to stick with him when they give them jobs 1977 02:34:20.600 --> 02:34:26.159 on the Fox News network or the American whatever the hell that was network he 1978 02:34:26.280 --> 02:34:28.520 was on for a little bit. He doesn't seem to get good commercial work 1979 02:34:28.600 --> 02:34:33.399 or jobs. John Dene gets no commercial work, but he does maintain a 1980 02:34:33.520 --> 02:34:35.639 job as a talking head they call on all the time. You know, 1981 02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:39.280 Other than that, what can I say? You guys got your own opinions 1982 02:34:39.280 --> 02:34:43.239 about it. I mean, I mean, I guess they have that in 1983 02:34:43.719 --> 02:34:46.399 you know, I guess that's the similarity between the two. They both corrupt 1984 02:34:46.399 --> 02:34:50.399 as hell and should have both been pulling time. Yeah what they did. 1985 02:34:50.600 --> 02:34:54.440 But you know, other than other than being a common crook, I think 1986 02:34:54.440 --> 02:34:58.959 they played different parts. And North. I never understood the hero worship of 1987 02:34:58.040 --> 02:35:03.479 Olig North and how they could claim he was an hero for what for basically 1988 02:35:03.639 --> 02:35:09.559 breaking the law every possible way that he could and dealing drugs into the United 1989 02:35:09.639 --> 02:35:13.239 States. God knows how many kids were affected by what they were doing. 1990 02:35:13.360 --> 02:35:16.239 But we forget all that, you know, he's God, He's the great. 1991 02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:18.760 You know, American patriots threw that crap. Oliver North is a crook. 1992 02:35:18.840 --> 02:35:26.000 I'll tell him down with him. You think was directly involved in the 1993 02:35:26.159 --> 02:35:31.000 drugs. Yes, he knew exactly what the hell was being done on both 1994 02:35:31.200 --> 02:35:35.959 ends of shipment. Stuff We were taking down there, stuff that was coming 1995 02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:39.319 back and looking the other way when it came time to get rid of it. 1996 02:35:39.639 --> 02:35:43.079 A goddamn government knew that those guys were bringing drugs back and putting it 1997 02:35:43.120 --> 02:35:46.959 on the streets. They knew it. They didn't care because for them to 1998 02:35:48.000 --> 02:35:52.440 make the past, all of the all of the roadblocks put in place to 1999 02:35:52.559 --> 02:35:58.360 fund the conference. Oh damn lot of them that have gone to jail. 2000 02:36:01.799 --> 02:36:03.959 I think we happen to meal like John Dean, a fired rolling late. 2001 02:36:05.200 --> 02:36:09.840 I'm trying to look up to see what time actually Dean served. Let's see 2002 02:36:09.840 --> 02:36:15.200 he began his testament zero zero. Well, listen to me, they listen 2003 02:36:15.280 --> 02:36:18.159 to me. Jeff Shepperd just bound out the records, and it turns out 2004 02:36:18.319 --> 02:36:26.120 all they did is put Dean in witness protection, him and Water mcgirder. 2005 02:36:26.239 --> 02:36:31.200 But Dean was the first pick snitch and they put him. He was supposed 2006 02:36:31.200 --> 02:36:35.479 to go to prison. Instead they put him in witness protection. Yeah, 2007 02:36:35.559 --> 02:36:39.360 Dean, Dean, according to what I have in front of me, actually 2008 02:36:39.719 --> 02:36:48.079 did four months. And let's see Watergate break ins eighteen nineteen months foundation describes 2009 02:36:48.120 --> 02:36:52.479 the architects of the where a cave of hauled him in, Erlickman, and 2010 02:36:52.040 --> 02:37:00.040 Mitchell. The trio served eighteen eighteen and nineteen months. Okay, so he 2011 02:37:00.280 --> 02:37:05.799 got four months, while Haldeman, Erlickman and Mitchell got eighteen eighteen and nineteen 2012 02:37:05.879 --> 02:37:13.159 months, respectively. And his deal was he was released in seventy five and 2013 02:37:13.520 --> 02:37:18.520 he was key witness prosecutionous safe to reduced prison sentence. Yeah, four months. 2014 02:37:18.680 --> 02:37:22.920 I've got it from three different sources. He got four months, right, 2015 02:37:24.280 --> 02:37:26.559 it prints out. He didn't do a day. He didn't do a 2016 02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:31.200 day. He'd rob checked in the prison. This guy's got the documents to 2017 02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:39.479 prove that now well, and also I ever seen it. Yeah, home 2018 02:37:39.559 --> 02:37:43.120 confinement without an ankle monitor. It's basically what he went through. I don't 2019 02:37:43.159 --> 02:37:46.520 know the thing. I mean, you know again, this guy might have 2020 02:37:46.639 --> 02:37:54.559 new information. I've never seen her. Sorry. How many months did Liddy 2021 02:37:54.680 --> 02:37:58.280 serve lyddy? Oh, that's a whole he served, he turned years. 2022 02:37:58.479 --> 02:38:03.479 He was out for four twenty years. Yeah, Liddy, Liddy served a 2023 02:38:03.559 --> 02:38:07.000 bunch. Hold on, let me let me get it straight here. I 2024 02:38:07.079 --> 02:38:09.760 know I have it actually in a and that's why I respect the guy. 2025 02:38:09.879 --> 02:38:13.920 He did his time, he got caught, he did his time. He 2026 02:38:13.000 --> 02:38:16.680 didn't weasele on anybody. He came out. He made a life for himself. 2027 02:38:18.360 --> 02:38:22.479 Oliver North didn't do shit to get the damn glory that he got except 2028 02:38:22.600 --> 02:38:28.280 sitting there, you know, with Fawn Hall in front of Congress talking about 2029 02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:31.479 oh yeah, he's you know, he was the loyal guy. He followed 2030 02:38:31.520 --> 02:38:33.360 his orders and blah blah blah, some of a bit should have been in 2031 02:38:33.440 --> 02:38:37.959 jail, got caught doing. When he'd get in, I'd never see the 2032 02:38:37.040 --> 02:38:43.399 end of prison, Okay, Oliver North turns it into a damn a work 2033 02:38:43.479 --> 02:38:48.920 attribute. Yep, all right, kiss science. So according to what I 2034 02:38:48.040 --> 02:38:52.959 have here in my Watergate notebook, my digital Watergate notebook, which I keep. 2035 02:38:54.200 --> 02:38:58.680 Nobody knows about that, said me. But in my digital Watergate notebook, 2036 02:38:58.000 --> 02:39:05.079 his sentence in total, when you added together, Lyddy was four years 2037 02:39:05.559 --> 02:39:16.360 and four months total in federal prison. Yeah, he saw a four and 2038 02:39:16.399 --> 02:39:22.280 a half of twenty year sentence. Well, but Carter commuted his sentence to 2039 02:39:22.360 --> 02:39:26.280 eight years. He got out after four and a half yeah before Yeah, 2040 02:39:26.360 --> 02:39:31.600 according to this fifty two months. So anyway, that's what I have. 2041 02:39:31.719 --> 02:39:35.280 In total, he might have had times of release for appeal or whatever. 2042 02:39:35.319 --> 02:39:43.280 I don't know. That was wrong that hold on. You guys speak one 2043 02:39:43.280 --> 02:39:52.520 at a time, which one first? Who wants to go for you know 2044 02:39:52.600 --> 02:39:54.319 what, Go ahead, be Pete, you do it, and then then 2045 02:39:54.440 --> 02:39:56.799 let Jimmy go because you guys are speaking at the same time. Gud. 2046 02:39:56.879 --> 02:40:01.520 When Carter commuted his sentence eight years, he let's see, that made him 2047 02:40:01.520 --> 02:40:07.159 ELIGII parole in July of seventy seven and he was released in September. I 2048 02:40:07.319 --> 02:40:09.000 served a total of four and a half years, all right, so it 2049 02:40:09.079 --> 02:40:13.200 was so, but he was sentenced to twenty and forty thousand dollars in fines. 2050 02:40:15.840 --> 02:40:22.920 Okay, what were you trying to say now, Jimmy, I don't 2051 02:40:22.959 --> 02:40:28.559 remember Tom. I wanted to tell oh, okay, I remember, uh 2052 02:40:28.360 --> 02:40:33.280 you were talking about them becoming preachers, and I said, well, Colson 2053 02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:37.760 did. But it turns out that that mcgirder, who was the dirtiest of 2054 02:40:37.879 --> 02:40:41.680 them all became some kind of priests because I seen him in some kind of 2055 02:40:41.799 --> 02:40:50.479 priestly garb. Okay, I didn't know about that. But let's see April 2056 02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:54.959 twelve, seventy six. Yeah, okay, So in April seventy seven is 2057 02:40:56.079 --> 02:41:01.520 when Carter. Did you actually read that from somewhere? Because I was going 2058 02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:05.520 in my notes there BP is that where you read it? Yeah? From 2059 02:41:05.760 --> 02:41:09.280 a Wikipedia entry on Liddy? Okay, well, in my notes I got 2060 02:41:09.319 --> 02:41:16.559 it as April twelve of seventy seven. This is when Carter commutes in the 2061 02:41:16.719 --> 02:41:20.120 oh, in the interest and this is the quote in the interest of equity 2062 02:41:20.159 --> 02:41:24.840 and fairness based on a comparison of mister Liddy's sentence with those of all others 2063 02:41:24.920 --> 02:41:31.360 convicted in Watergate related prosecutions. In other words, he did it because it 2064 02:41:31.479 --> 02:41:35.600 was like these other guys got off light. Why is he paying the heavier 2065 02:41:35.639 --> 02:41:41.360 price? Basically, so, yeah, he basically commuted and he left the 2066 02:41:41.399 --> 02:41:43.200 find in effect, though he still had to pay the forty thousand dollars fine. 2067 02:41:43.799 --> 02:41:48.399 Well, because he commuted the sentence in April, that dropped it down. 2068 02:41:48.520 --> 02:41:50.799 He became I was able parole in July, and he was released in 2069 02:41:50.920 --> 02:41:56.159 September. But you know Liddy didn't say it. Lyddy kept his mouth shut 2070 02:41:56.200 --> 02:41:58.840 the whole time. He took responsibility for what he did. He paid his 2071 02:42:00.079 --> 02:42:03.319 time, Carter intervened, knocked some time off of it. And that's why 2072 02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:07.840 I respect you, Gordon Liddy. Remind these Roliver North, I'm sorry. 2073 02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:13.239 That's all they should have been doing. Years in jail. And know they 2074 02:42:13.799 --> 02:42:16.399 they let him out because of his connections and the way that they handled him 2075 02:42:16.399 --> 02:42:20.079 in Congress. They had to give him unity in Congress. He'd gone to 2076 02:42:20.120 --> 02:42:22.639 court, he'd been found guilty, he'd been down some time, which he 2077 02:42:22.680 --> 02:42:26.639 should have for what he did was illegal, and he knew it was illegal. 2078 02:42:26.799 --> 02:42:28.920 He sat out, knew it. Okay, remind me, remind me 2079 02:42:30.000 --> 02:42:33.399 later to send you one of the documents that Lyddy wrote on during his release 2080 02:42:33.879 --> 02:42:41.040 process, because it's comical. I wouldn't swear by it, but I literally 2081 02:42:41.159 --> 02:42:46.319 think he decided not to write in the you know, provided spaces at one 2082 02:42:46.360 --> 02:42:50.479 point and like put it in there completely crooked like a madman, and uh 2083 02:42:52.239 --> 02:43:01.799 just wrote an FU so well, this Crowlene guy. That's college course. 2084 02:43:01.920 --> 02:43:05.840 I basically listened to all fourteen episodes. One thing he recounts as a Once, 2085 02:43:07.040 --> 02:43:11.680 mcgirder put his hand on Liddy's shoulder and Liddy said, if you don't 2086 02:43:11.760 --> 02:43:16.120 take your hand off of me, I'm going to kill you. So after 2087 02:43:16.200 --> 02:43:22.719 that, McGruder got the idea that Liddy isn't a touchy feely kind of guy. 2088 02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:26.040 Yeah. Now there's some stuff that he scribbled down though, like on 2089 02:43:26.200 --> 02:43:31.120 the backs of his forms and in spaces and stuff that's pretty funny. And 2090 02:43:33.399 --> 02:43:37.840 yeah, it's it's anyway. I have some I have some scans of some 2091 02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:43.280 documents to send you me. They're pretty funny. But look, we're basically 2092 02:43:43.559 --> 02:43:46.159 at the end of the need to do this segment. So Jimmy, I'm 2093 02:43:46.159 --> 02:43:50.440 gonna put you on hold and uh, we're gonna let be Pete off the 2094 02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:56.959 hook for the night. But we definitely did some overtime here and almost three 2095 02:43:56.000 --> 02:43:58.680 hours. So I'll give you the final word. No, Jimmy on the 2096 02:43:58.719 --> 02:44:03.520 line, and I'll shut up, and you say what you want to say 2097 02:44:03.559 --> 02:44:09.239 and we'll go to a break. Oh well, glad for another week, 2098 02:44:09.319 --> 02:44:11.959 And I'm glad. We've got some calls in and we've got another one in 2099 02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:15.639 the can. We'll looking forward to doing it the next week. I'd like 2100 02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:18.639 to remind everybody that when you get done here, go to ochelly dot com 2101 02:44:18.680 --> 02:44:22.799 and hit the donate button. It's really appreciated and needed at this time. 2102 02:44:24.680 --> 02:44:28.719 Other than that, support your local food banks do which can to help your 2103 02:44:28.719 --> 02:44:31.040 neighbors. People are hurting out there. 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Pick up your copy of 2172 02:49:54.479 --> 02:51:33.840 In Denial at Amazon dot com in digital or physical, f u jelly dot 2173 02:51:33.959 --> 02:52:56.280 com, Radio NetWorld. I remember as the Catholic king growing up in an 2174 02:52:56.319 --> 02:53:00.559 area where we didn't like Cathic can get I'm the first prison They're going elected 2175 02:53:00.639 --> 02:53:03.920 state wide in the state of Delaware. When I was a kid, well 2176 02:53:03.000 --> 02:53:05.319 you know I was. I looked at John Kenny and said, well, 2177 02:53:05.360 --> 02:53:09.360 he god, he got elected. Why can't I get elected? By the 2178 02:53:09.399 --> 02:53:13.079 way, I'm proud to be as I said, the first vice president, 2179 02:53:13.600 --> 02:53:20.239 the first black woman served with a black president. Proud of the all of 2180 02:53:20.319 --> 02:53:24.040 the first black woman in the Supreme Quarter. There said so much that we 2181 02:53:24.120 --> 02:53:33.079 can do because the week nothing but the United States America. I wouldn't make 2182 02:53:35.559 --> 02:54:05.600 I wouldn't make it a Habit followed me that it's worse. Remember when Trump's 2183 02:54:05.639 --> 02:54:13.040 lawyers argue that he could five dollars, that's enough to make a difference in 2184 02:54:13.200 --> 02:54:39.360 this election. So I'm proud thefts, I said, the first vice president, 2185 02:54:39.000 --> 02:54:50.879 first black woman with a black president, proud than the law. That's 2186 02:54:50.879 --> 02:54:54.799 trious thing for anyone to argue an absolutely no serious person could possibly believe that 2187 02:54:54.840 --> 02:54:58.760 the constitutional, the laws of this country would allow that to be the rule. 2188 02:54:58.079 --> 02:55:01.120 Well, the subrene court, he said, hold my beer while I 2189 02:55:01.120 --> 02:55:07.959 assassinate my political rivals. President is entitled for total personal gain to use the 2190 02:55:07.399 --> 02:55:13.319 trappings of his office. That's what you're trying to get us to hold. 2191 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:16.680 Yes, the Supreme Court is effectively given law breaking presidents, and we're not 2192 02:55:16.840 --> 02:55:20.280 singling any one law breaking president out or anything could be any felonious president. 2193 02:55:20.680 --> 02:55:26.079 Almost absolute immunity from criminal prosecution, and where the court did not grant outright 2194 02:55:26.159 --> 02:55:30.760 absolute immunity, it gave presumptive immunity and procedural protections that might as well have 2195 02:55:30.879 --> 02:55:35.079 been absolute community and while unofficial acts of the president still received no immunity. 2196 02:55:35.319 --> 02:55:37.600 The crab cherry on top of this crap Sunday is that even though a president 2197 02:55:37.680 --> 02:55:43.040 now has immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts as president, a prosecutor cannot 2198 02:55:43.079 --> 02:55:48.520 even use official acts as evidence and a prosecution over unofficial acts, which makes 2199 02:55:48.559 --> 02:55:54.079 prosecution of some unofficial acts virtually impossible, whether you are a Republican or a 2200 02:55:54.120 --> 02:56:16.000 Democrat. As a big term, mhm, Welcome to our series of ups 2201 02:56:16.000 --> 02:56:20.639 and downs for Certain Pologies second season. I am so happy to be able 2202 02:56:20.760 --> 02:56:24.479 to go through this season in all of the detail that we're about to So 2203 02:56:26.000 --> 02:56:28.079 for those of you who may not be aware, we're going to do things 2204 02:56:28.120 --> 02:58:37.879 a little bit different. St yeah yeah, h h h h dot Com 2205 02:58:39.239 --> 02:58:50.760 Radio Network, Chili dot Com Revelation through conversation. Get ready, get ready 2206 02:58:50.840 --> 02:59:28.959 for going to Chuck O'Kelley. He's Shako Shelley. You know it's Shakra Shelley. 2207 02:59:28.159 --> 02:59:31.760 You are about doing Mark upon the k who say the eyes of the 2208 02:59:31.799 --> 02:59:37.760 world out upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere march 2209 02:59:37.879 --> 02:59:43.280 with you in company with our brave allies and brothers in arms on other fronts. 2210 02:59:43.440 --> 02:59:48.280 Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, 2211 02:59:48.639 --> 02:59:54.319 well equipped, and battleharten. He will fight savage demanded man. The 2212 02:59:54.479 --> 02:59:58.920 tide has turned. The freemen of the world are muching together to victory. 2213 03:00:01.239 --> 03:00:05.239 Good luck, and let us all be things pleasing Almighty God upon this great 2214 03:00:05.479 --> 03:01:20.559 and noble undertaking what I do. Revelation through conversation in a radio show slash 2215 03:01:20.680 --> 03:01:28.760 podcast. You want the good news, listen to the o'helly effect. Check 2216 03:01:28.840 --> 03:01:35.079 o'celly is the most underrated voice in all media, news, education, and 2217 03:01:35.360 --> 03:01:41.440 entertainment. 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