1 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,760 We're back with another edition of The Federalist for Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky, 2 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:23,160 culture editor here at The Federalist. As always, you can email the 3 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,440 show at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,519 LST. Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts into the premium version 5 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:34,840 of our website at Well, that's Chris Bedford. He needs no introduction. 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,880 Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at the Common Sense Society, intentionally coughing or 7 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,560 in the introduction, the Big B is back. I just had to get 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,359 out of the way in case you wanted to start over. So to be 9 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,920 clear, this is all my fault that Chris hasn't been on the podcast for 10 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:55,880 a while, because I was in Ohio last week. Great great time at 11 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,600 the Lutherans for Level booked me. I know. It was a great time 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,920 at the Lutherans for Life conference down in Cincinnati. Then before that, I 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,159 was in Vegas. I was in Vegas for the first time I was alone. 14 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:08,280 I walked the whole strip, looked at my phone afterwards and I'd walked 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,920 ten miles. Chris, I've done that walk before when I was stuck in 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,959 Las Vegas for our conference. I don't like going to Las Vegas in general, 17 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:21,000 but walking just people watching can be interesting. Well, I'd never seen 18 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,959 any of the resorts in casinos, so I was well for the first time 19 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,359 seeing I just walked. I made it a smoke though, yes, like 20 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,400 and I made a goal for myself to walk into every lobby of every major 21 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:36,200 resort and casino, and I guess that's how I wracked up the ten miles. 22 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,560 But in the time that since Chris has last been on the podcast, 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,719 the leaves have changed. There is a chill in the air, and the 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,959 world is in chaos. Here on Capitol Hill. There is no Speaker of 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,879 the House still as we were recording this on Thursday. Things will perhaps change 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,560 before the podcast airs, but the establishment Republican wing is trying very hard to 27 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,959 convince enough Republicans to support Speaker pro time Patrick mhae Henry, who is very 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,799 much one of their fellow travelers, very much a member of the establishment wing 29 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:09,879 of the Republican Party, and the Conservative movement is mounting a sort of last 30 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:15,560 bid effort to rescue Jim Jordan's potential speakership. He obviously, like Steve Scalice, 31 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,879 made it out of an internal conference vote, did not get enough votes 32 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:22,479 on the floor, could only afford to lose four lost about twenty. It 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,159 seems like that margin has only gotten worse for Jim Jordan. The Conservative movement, 34 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:30,759 though, is obviously powerful in the Republican Party and is really pulling out 35 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:32,800 all the stops. Chris, I still don't think Jim Jordan has the math. 36 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,960 No, he doesn't right now. The uniparty has a math right now. 37 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:45,439 I mean there's a significant there's a significant enough amount of opposition to Jim 38 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,840 Jordan. First, the first vote was twenty in opposition. People aren't seeming 39 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,439 to come around right now, and the rumors are, if it hasn't happened 40 00:02:55,479 --> 00:03:00,800 already, that he's going to step aside in the Speaker's right in general at 41 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:04,599 least for a period of time, just so that Washington DC can get what 42 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,319 it wants, which is another cr right and some money towards Ukraine. They 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:14,280 won an omibus. I really want that omnibus. And Kevin McCarthy, you 44 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,000 know, I've set up aforeils it again, was the only person. That's 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,360 why he went through fifteen ballots sort of happily right like that was very dramatic 46 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,360 back in January, but everyone knew the eventual outcome. We certainly knew Chris 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,560 that there's basically no way Kevin McCarthy, no matter how many ballots it took, 48 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,560 he was going to be the Speaker of the House because everybody from Matt 49 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:38,639 Gates to Kevin McCarthy himself knew that nobody else had the enough votes when you 50 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:45,400 have such a slim margin to bring together the Matt Gates's of the world Marjorie 51 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Taylor Green's of the world with you know, the establishment wing of the party. 52 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,759 And Kevin McCarthy spent years working to do that. Patrick McHenry is not 53 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,120 Steve Scalise is not trusted by conservatives in the way that Kevin McCarthy was because, 54 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,680 and whether you think that's wrong, Kevin McCarthy spent years building that relationship 55 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:05,759 and building that outreach, and he gave a lot up. Whether Scalice would 56 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,439 be willing and it was the same was an open question, and people disliked 57 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,400 him for it. And the more establishing winging of the GOP. Yes, 58 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,840 people were angry that he was wanting to do that. I mean, there 59 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:19,600 was a time not too long ago and actually including today, where it would 60 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,120 be fairly normal for the Republican majority leaders last speaker to absolutely rip on the 61 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,199 Republican base. I mean John Bayner was really open and how much he dislikes 62 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,560 the Tea Party, Oh was he? He was pretty open whenever he disliked 63 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,639 someone. He was fairly honest in that regard. And sometimes they even hear 64 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,079 conservatives talking about how they missed that, how at least to have a speaker 65 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,959 who would curse you out to your face and let a cigarette was you knew 66 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:53,079 where you stood, but there was Kevin McCarthy reached out to the growing conservative 67 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,519 base to two well, huge amounts. Huge amounts of money flowed through the 68 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,319 Speaker's office and through the power the apparatus and through the RNC. There are 69 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,079 now outside sources, and I think which helped the outside opposition, the conservative 70 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:13,439 opposition. And I think what we're really witnessing here is just the scurliosis of 71 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,199 the GOP that's been around for decades that Rick Sentaorm was talking about fifteen years 72 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:24,319 ago as now just a full broken back, completely broken spine, where you've 73 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:30,319 got Republicans in Washington, d C. Who are calling intimidation tactics for conservative 74 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,439 activists to be calling them in support of a Speaker of the House, saying 75 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:41,240 it reminds me of the two thousand and seven immigration amnesty fight where a bunch 76 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,160 of Republicans came forward and there was a who're going to work with Senator Ted 77 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Kennedy to pass amnesty at the end of Bush's term and senator from Ohio, 78 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,519 I think, Voinovich said, in response to the outpouring of base attacks and 79 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Republicans for doing this, that I will not be intimidated by the American people. 80 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:02,879 Oh my gosh, that's a that's something that I actually don't really mind 81 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,000 hearing from a senator as much. We'll get right right, right, but 82 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:12,360 I definitely mind hearing that from members of House of Representatives. And that's been 83 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:16,000 really the tax that they've taken. We won't be intimidated by the American people 84 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,480 and what are their goals here? I mean, there's obviously a lot of 85 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,560 animis. You can't really dig that too much. There's obviously a lot of 86 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,519 animis behind Matt Gates and his crew of folks who took on McCarthy. Personal 87 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,600 politics and personal dislike and likes drives a lot of what goes on in Washington, 88 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:41,920 d C. Behind the scenes more Southern principle very often. But there's 89 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,439 just a real hatred and anger of Jim Jordan. There's a hatred of the 90 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,319 conservatives that's being kind of just laid bare, and you can really see it 91 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,720 and how much cry baby garbage is coming out. I mean, if you're 92 00:06:54,759 --> 00:07:00,480 going to be a conservative in Washington, DC, you have your friends sometimes 93 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,040 fairweather friend in Fox News, you've got talk radio, you've got the Federal 94 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,480 As, You've got a couple of the people who are generally supportive of you. 95 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:12,600 But you're extremely unpopular with the business interests, with the defense interests, 96 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,560 with a lot of your colleagues, with leadership. You're with CNN and MSNBC 97 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,120 and New York Times and Washington Posts. You don't get that respect. And 98 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:26,439 just for the moderates and the establishment guys and the uniparty and the only thing 99 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,439 that we care about is getting more money to Ukraine Caucus of the GOP. 100 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:33,519 This is like some of the guys first time getting getting constituent hate and getting 101 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,079 attacked and they really don't like this, and they're say, oh, just 102 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:40,839 this as evil. It's just interpidation like this is what conservatives have to deal 103 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:46,040 with every single day, and they're not taking it very well. They're angry, 104 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:53,120 and I think it's really it's just putting on stock display the differences between 105 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,160 the politicians elected here in Washington, DC and the people who voted for them. 106 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:00,240 So I want to read this quote from The New York Times. I 107 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:03,199 think I've referenced it on a podcast before, but this is four days ago, 108 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:07,160 so I think it was over the weekend. The New York Times tweeted 109 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,399 Representative Jim Jordan and his allies have begun a right wing pressure campaign against Republicans 110 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:18,399 opposed to electing him Speaker Kamma, working to unleash the rage of the party's 111 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,560 base voters against any lawmakers standing in the way of his election. It's a 112 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:28,240 quote from the Time story that is just an incredible excerpt from a piece of 113 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,519 journalism, piece of I guess neutral journalism, because we're talking about the House 114 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:37,120 of Representatives and they are casting as a sort of dark reality the idea that 115 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:43,320 Jim Jordan would quote unleash the rage of the party's base base voters. The 116 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:50,000 party's base voters, that's exactly who they're supposed to represent. Yeah, again, 117 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,600 this is not the US Senate, it's the House to representatives. And 118 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 they don't even think twice about writing stuff like that, right, Like, 119 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,159 it's it's very icky that you would actually represent the peace people who voted you 120 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,919 into office. Who's pay your salary if you're Jim Jordan, but if you're 121 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,519 AOC or if you were Ilhan omar By all means unleash the rage of those 122 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,879 parties voters. They are marginalized, they are oppressed, et cetera, et 123 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,320 cetera. No, there wasn't actually an article that came out. I think 124 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,399 it was in Political pro this week that said, all, do you have 125 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,639 political pro are you paying Politico? No? I don't have political pro I 126 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:31,919 get screenshots. Some people do, lobbyists, and there's there was an actual 127 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,279 article that came out that said that they were serious worry in Washington, d 128 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,639 C. Amongst the lobbyist class about the lack of business ties that Jim Jordan 129 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,480 has. And I believe it, I totally absolutely. And so now they're 130 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,320 going to try and put out speaker mckenry. Some friends of ours are pushing 131 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,360 for that. There's all this excitement, but here's the Really, this is 132 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,799 going to be the new normal. You know how we complain a lot about 133 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,960 here here about how the House representatives in the Senate they don't legislate anymore. 134 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,720 They call about the cr on the omnibus, they don't nothing. It's just 135 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,799 it wears a skin suit of the legislative branch. But it really isn't the 136 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,720 legislative branch anymore. The executive really runs everything. They pass omnibuses. They 137 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,200 do this, they give speeches, they go on Fox and CNN, and 138 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,240 they raise money for themselves, but they don't actually legislate. And I think 139 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:26,159 that Speaker Henry would be a death toll for the speakersition in general, because 140 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,440 as the parties start to pare up terror part and they really need to tear 141 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,440 a part, there's no real thing that holds certain different members of the GUP 142 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,879 together other than like an American tradition of a two party system. They're so 143 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,799 disparate in their ideas. And remember AOC said that, I believe she was 144 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:45,080 talking about Nancy Pelosi. She said, in Europe, we would never be 145 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,840 in the same party. Yeah, she said, why am I in the 146 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,879 same party as Chuck Schumer and she had a good point. It's maybe a 147 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,000 break towards the parliamentary system sort of thing. But they're coming up with these 148 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,399 temporary powers for the speaker, which won the part of the powers that are 149 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,279 already designated to Speaker Tempore. They claim to be somewhat narrow, but anyone 150 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,440 with a brain could drive a truck through through the looseness of the rules. 151 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:16,600 Need to oversee and use the powers that are necessary, etcetera, etcetera. 152 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,840 But if this becomes accepted by Washington d C. Because the party is incapable 153 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,919 of actually selecting a speaker, I think it will become pretty standard. Just 154 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,240 like we no longer actually pass budgets, there's a decent chance that will no 155 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:39,120 longer elect speakers that a party that's incapable of that refuses to appease its conservatives 156 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,519 and its base and its voters. Maybe a Democratic party that refuses to appease 157 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,000 to the level they do, and they don't have nearly this curly assist that 158 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,639 we do. The Republicans to excuse me, that refuses to appease their base 159 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,639 could just say, well, fine, we'll have someone that everyone agrees on, 160 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,720 who keeps the money flowing, who keeps who keeps the cash going to 161 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,080 all the projects, who passes the curs and the omnibuses a speaker temporari and 162 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,840 nothing is just very very There's nothing that's temporary in Washington. Things that are 163 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,000 temporary last forever, especially if they're easier for those people who have the money 164 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:15,080 and want the money. You know, that's actually interesting because Jordan was a 165 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,039 two way street with the establishment, and I remember we talked about that a 166 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,200 lot about a year ago in the Yeah ever tech anti trust Yeah, Yeah, 167 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,279 he's Google's best friend, and that upset a lot of people, and 168 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,279 conservatives are behind the scenes. It didn't totally spill out into public. We 169 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,840 talked about that a ton though, back at the time before Rachel Bobert was 170 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:37,519 dispatched back to the Senate. Yeah, Jim Jordan's tech policy might as well 171 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,879 be run by the Coke Institute, Freedom Partners or Stand Together or whatever fruity 172 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:48,399 name they've come up with. Hey, y'all, this is Sarah from the 173 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,399 Sarah Carter Show. 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Tangentially, someone flagged the 189 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:26,039 FEC filings for me, and he back his campaign committee paid this group, 190 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,600 Capital Research Group. I think in the most recent quarterly filing, I showed 191 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,639 they paid about twelve thousand dollars roughly twelve thousand dollars of services to this group 192 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,039 in August and about ten thousand they paid in the previous quarter before that. 193 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,480 You see it on the FEC website. And was really interesting about that is 194 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,600 Capital Research Group. It's like an OPO firm. They do vulnerability reports, 195 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:52,440 totally normal stuff in Washington. But that Capital Research Group was founded by a 196 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,519 guy who also founded this group, Narrative Strategies. Do you know about narrative 197 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:01,000 strategies? Okay, So Narrative Strategies is also one of those Like he's just 198 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,919 like a DC kind of swampy consulting firm. And one of their clients, 199 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,799 funny enough, is Blackstone Blackstone Group. And I just thought this was this 200 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,000 was flagged to me by someone, and I just thought this was really an 201 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,000 amusing illustration of the swamp and kind of perfectly fits actually into the context that 202 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:24,720 we're talking about right now. So Blackstone is run by Steven Schwarzman, really 203 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:28,279 Trump friendly guy. I think he flirted with maybe supporting DeSantis. The New 204 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,279 York Times described him as like a lifelong Republican who favors lower taxes and spending 205 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,480 alongside beliefs like the need to preserve women's reproductive freedom. That's like one of 206 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:43,960 rum the New York Times. He also helped broker like a deal with President 207 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,399 shi Jin Pang and President Trump during the Trump administration. But it's just like 208 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,919 a very I just find it to be such an amusing, swampy anecdote that 209 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,080 someone who is working for Narrative. The guys name is Ed Mullin, So 210 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,080 somebody who's working for Narrative is also working for Rosendale. Who even the Wall 211 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,879 Street Journal editorial board was like nah, like he said something. During the 212 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:11,320 he's been very supportive. He voted, he motioned, he voted for the 213 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,799 motion of a Kate Kevin McCarthy. So he's definitely like a rabble rouser. 214 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,080 I don't know if he's actually in the Freedom Caucus, but Freedom Caucus adjacent 215 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,600 at the very least. Again, like representative probably have a lot of his 216 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:27,279 constituents in a way that wrinkles the Wall Street Journal editorial board. And here 217 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,720 you have somebody who has a foot in both camps and is in theory helping 218 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,960 Blackstone Group will also helping the Rosevelt campaign. Like it is just such a 219 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,080 it's so normal here, it's such a normal part of the culture, so 220 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:45,840 there's nothing unusual about it at all. But someone flagged that for me, 221 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:48,480 and I was like, that is so perfect. That is exactly the type 222 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,559 of thing that never gets any coverage. But is We'll see how long it 223 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:57,000 lasts. And you know, I was curious. Usually oftentimes in DC, 224 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,480 you can help left wing causes and Republican democratic causes and Republican causes, fine, 225 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,200 but if you start to deal too much with working with someone who's upsetting 226 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:11,200 leadership, right, then you get in a lot of trouble, right. 227 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,279 I mean, we know folks who have done a lot of work and been 228 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,599 very successful and had great careers fighting and working with the rabble rousers. But 229 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:26,640 those people are objectively barred by McConnell and his team from ever touching the nominee 230 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,440 wo's one of theirs. They will never get any of that money, they'll 231 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,480 never have access to that pot because they touch the forbidden fruit, and Blacksmim 232 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:37,279 spends millions of dollars lobbying, they've been involved in ESG stuff. It's just 233 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:42,640 like it is an objectively evil company. There is no ideological consistency between And 234 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,920 this is obvious to any normal person outside of Washington, DC, that there's 235 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,279 no ideological consistency between working for a consulting firm that's helping Blackstone and working for 236 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:57,319 an opera group that's helping Rosendale. Like that's just money. It's literally just 237 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,759 money and power. That's only logical way to explain a relationships like that. 238 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,839 But here's just we don't even batten I we don't even bat an eye. 239 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:11,880 And to your point, I'm very curious how this speaker race, not necessarily 240 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,880 to see whether it ends up being McHenry or Jordan or somebody else. I'm 241 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:21,440 curious how this period, unprecedented period of what at least two weeks without a 242 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,759 Speaker of the House changes the way power is I guess distributed in the House 243 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:33,240 of Representatives, Like does a speaker ever matter? Now that it's been like 244 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,359 clear that you can go a couple weeks without a speaker, does that motion 245 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,920 of a kate? Does the squad give up the motion of a kate? 246 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,440 If Democrats win the House again, or do they demand like Freedom caucusers did, 247 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,400 that they have a one person motion of ak. Yeah. I kind 248 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:55,359 of lean towards the House Representatives being fairly permanently damaged by this episode agree and 249 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,319 not being able to get it back together. I mean the House representatives like 250 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:02,680 what we talked about this the other day with the argument server on the Senate 251 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,079 side dress code, Like how much is the House representatives operating remotely the way 252 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,079 that ought to? It's not. You know, I've heard this from some 253 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,519 of the Gags people, and I think that I really don't buy the grand 254 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,079 strategy of the Gags people. They keep on trying to spend it. There 255 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,240 was one point they're like, wholl holding up Funny into Ukraine was the point 256 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:25,559 of that? And it's like, Okay, no, it wasn't. The 257 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:27,319 dog caught the car and said it was because it was for the bumper or 258 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,920 something. But now they're saying, well, the point is we wanted to 259 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,200 show the emperor had no clothes, right right, right right, And the 260 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,440 point was the point is the chaos, and the point is showing how much 261 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:44,400 Republicans, Republicans will work with Democrats to just get their spending agenda. Pushed 262 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:49,240 on their foreign wars and their pet projects, and that we want to show 263 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,759 just how much scoring the GOP has for its own base. I think it's 264 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:57,279 a useful exercise. I don't think that was the goal. No, they 265 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,480 really think they know what the goal was. And if they did know what 266 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:04,160 the goal was, and they've been absolutely terrible at actually communicating that in real 267 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,039 time. Nowadays they're doing like a big clean up thing that's also not what 268 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,839 they were elected to do. And again, like, I actually think there's 269 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:11,880 a good case for the argument you just laid out, like the House of 270 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:18,000 Representatives is the swamp on autopilot because of the omnibuses, and they pushed McCarthy 271 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:21,920 to do single subject bills and to move away from omnibuses. That became extremely 272 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,759 difficult because they couldn't get anything done. And part of this, I'd be 273 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:26,279 curious as to see how this year had played out if they had had a 274 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,000 bigger majority, if they had, like in a hypothetical fantasy world, had 275 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:36,839 gotten all those concessions out of McCarthy and just had a more comfortable margin of 276 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,039 power in the House, like, would they have been able to actually do 277 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,920 some really serious damage to the UNI Party or would it have made it Would 278 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,000 that have been better for the uniparty because McCarthy would have gotten more of what 279 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:51,240 he wanted. I don't know. Christian would have probably been better for the 280 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:56,279 UNI Party. But it is actually interesting that this entire experiment ran with such 281 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,440 a slim slim majority because it just made it almost impossib almost impossible, And 282 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,880 that's why McCarthy didn't want to concede the motion of vacate. On the other 283 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,240 hand, though Pelosi got rid of the motion of vacate, that was unprecedented. 284 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,640 That was what was unprecedented. So the Republicans who demanded it were not 285 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,160 wrong in saying we should go back to the way things were. It's just 286 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,440 that to your point, Chris, And actually this is something Crystal Ball over 287 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,200 her breaking Points, she mentioned this today. She's like, it's got to 288 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,759 be McHenry because when things are default, that's what Washington loves. There's nothing 289 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:33,319 easier for Washington than they're shrugging and letting the sort of slouching towards bethelhem right, 290 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:40,920 just letting everything play out based on autopilot. And that's a really interesting 291 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,799 point because if that happened, if the speakership's permanently damaged, if the House 292 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,279 of Representatives is permanently damaged. I also, though contragates, see that as 293 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,039 a really big win for the UNI Party, because they're the ones who win 294 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:57,559 if the House of Representatives is just thrown into chaos, because Washington will just 295 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:03,559 function as usual instead of having any targeted, serious, muscular threat to its 296 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,400 power. It'll just keep going on. Yeah, I think that's right. 297 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,400 The autopilot definitely favors the Unit Party. They're going to fund Ukraine. They 298 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,240 will do it well. The President's giving a primetime address tonight from the Oval 299 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,920 Office, not about any of the afflictions hitting the United States right now, 300 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:26,240 but about Israel and Ukraine, which Jonah Goldberg says, by the way, 301 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:29,799 or the same war. Did you read his column? No, I don't 302 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:33,359 read Jonah Goldberg columns. The same war, the same which, by the 303 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,640 way, is like to compare the Dawn Boss to the West Bank in any 304 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,400 way, even implicitly, even implicitly, it's just so incredibly insulting. Well, 305 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,759 if if I were to take the Nikki Haley, with all of her 306 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:52,480 incredible foreign policy experience as an ambassador nations, any war that America doesn't fight 307 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:59,000 against whoever Nikki Haley designates, helps China take Taiwan. Yes, yes, 308 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,599 so that's probably maybe. Is that what General god Work's point was, Well, 309 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:06,039 take Taiwan. But can we say, actually, this is a really 310 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,759 worthwhile point that's gotten basically zero media attention to the last couple of days. 311 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,599 Well, Joe Biden was in Israel falling asleep next to net and Yahoo, 312 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,200 Chijin Ping and Vladimir Buten. We're in Beijing celebrating the tenth anniversary of the 313 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:26,599 Belt and Road Initiative, talking about how they are old friends. And in 314 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000 the shadow of all of that, Iran's power is also metastasizing. Well, 315 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:37,319 the Biden administration sensibly has an Irani inspiring the State Department and the Pentagon has 316 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:38,799 a lot to do with Hamas well. No, that's what I'm saying, 317 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:45,000 like exactly all of this is happening in the shadow of Ukraine and whatever Biden, 318 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,119 whatever else Biden is talking about. I saw Biden's speech talking about how 319 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,880 it was the other team, as I referred to Hamas, and I don't 320 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:59,599 if he was so kind to Republicans and conservatives, Maga, conservatives are terrorists. 321 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,920 But us AS is the other team. It seems like there's been a 322 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,960 real switcheroo in Washington, DC on that one. He's going to give this 323 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,799 speech tonight. I think he's going to try and position himself as a wartime 324 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:12,200 president. As my guess, I mean, his domestics are following so dramatically. 325 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,079 That's not to say that he doesn't believe that these wars are really important 326 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,559 to America, but I do think that the American people don't no longer instinctively 327 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:30,160 believe that fighting the Russians and even fighting in Israel are instinctive are necessary American 328 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,119 wars. So he's in order to position himself as a wartime president, he's 329 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,480 going to have to convince the American people that these are America's wars, and 330 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,480 that's going to be I think a harder sell than it would have been twenty 331 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:44,680 years ago. Did you see Ntaho's speech where he talked about the access of 332 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 evil with Hamas and has below, Because I'm of two minds on that. 333 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,200 Who gave clearly a wartime president speech. He's in huge hot water obviously in 334 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,759 Israel, where as we've talked about, I mean, people are furious about 335 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,480 the security failure and the intelligence failure, and rightfully so, and a lot 336 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,559 of that opprobrium is being directed at Nan Yahu. He came out and gave 337 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:08,279 an address talking about how yeah, these are this is the Hamas has bela 338 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,400 access of evil. That is that phrase is obviously I'm not using this flippantly, 339 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,640 but like triggering for a lot of people in the West, especially in 340 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:25,640 America, because it sounds like an invitation to a new never ending right at 341 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,559 the same time, I mean, they're one. It's not really much an 342 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:37,759 access of evil as much as as I ran and then Iran allied with Russia 343 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,480 who were fighting a proxy war against to the tune of millions and millions of 344 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,160 dollars China, who were in a cold war with and fighting right now over 345 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,880 the potential the potential source of like all of the chips that we need for 346 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:55,440 some of the most important weapons, some of the most important pieces of American 347 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,480 daily life. And then you add North Korea to the mix, and that 348 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,960 sort of that hexas let's call it, is coalescing right now. And the 349 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:14,119 way that we approach Hesbalah and hamas Is and Israel on the other side is 350 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,480 really fragile and sensitive right now because we could look back on what happened in 351 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:26,200 Israel as a much sort of larger scale Frans Ferdinand assassination is I hope people 352 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:32,079 understand that it's not in our interest to be hyperbolic about that kind of thing. 353 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:34,839 I'm genuinely not trying to be hyperbolic. I really think this is a 354 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:40,000 fragile ecosystem right now. Yeah, it's incredibly fragile, and we have Joe 355 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,119 Joe Biden at the wheel falling asleep. Yeah, as well, Joe Biden's 356 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,880 run his foreign policy. It's sort of thing that could definitely trigger a regional 357 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,119 war, which could trigger a broader war, especially there is a regional war. 358 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,480 Yeah, it's a regional warrior, right, two of them. The 359 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,960 broader war would be if it becomes Israel versus Iran, which is possible. 360 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,680 I'm really I'm surprised that Israel has not gotten into Gauza yet. I don't 361 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,720 really know why. I don't see a win for them if they go into 362 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,880 Gaza. It seems like it's an absolute abject disaster. I don't even know 363 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,440 if they have the force and the power going to Gaza. One thing that's 364 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:22,240 become abundantly clear from this whole disaster that Nonaho finds himself in is that the 365 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,200 weakness and the atrophy and the decadence that has impacted the broader West Israel is 366 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:37,720 not immune from. There's very little better clarification of that than the awful images 367 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:41,720 we saw of a bunch of teenagers and people in the early twenties coming up 368 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:48,359 from a night of techno fuel drugs in the desert, with vicious, hardened 369 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,880 barbarians descending from the sky with guns to massacre them right past the security systems. 370 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,839 That the decadence and the atrophy that we've we've generally found in America with 371 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:06,319 probably our problems with crew men are problems with attacks on our national self understanding. 372 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,960 Israel turns out to have not been immune from that. It was interesting 373 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,960 that festival was so close to Gaza, Yeah, really interesting. I got 374 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,400 a techno burning man or something that so close to Gaza and it was for 375 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,200 peace right. It was a piece music festival. Yeah, it was a 376 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,680 peace music festival, but it was six am when everyone was awake. I 377 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920 mean it was a drug music festival. You know. I just met like 378 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:32,599 they're sort of purported and I don't mean purported again pejoratively. That's there are 379 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:37,599 a lot of really well intentioned people who are caught up in decadent culture and 380 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:42,440 who are caught up in some really some really laudable goals, for instance peace. 381 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,240 The Washed on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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We've talked about this in the podcast before, but there's and there's 390 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:30,920 just an incredible amount of damage that vicious cruel men can do to men. 391 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,799 Yeah, really that can do to anyone, but particularly towards people who think 392 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,480 things are good and have been the beneficiarias of wealth and success and peace. 393 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:52,079 They can do a lot. And the willingness and the feeling that a lot 394 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,119 of Western powers have to for the States just rely on aircraft carriers, which 395 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,519 I think we'll probably see an aircraft carriers sink in the next quarter century, 396 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,799 next quarter century at least, the temptation amongst Israel's leaders to rely on the 397 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,880 Iron Dome, you know, this great, great defense and we're just going 398 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:14,519 to stop them, and the security at defenses we'll just have We'll just have 399 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:18,839 female soldiers every now and then, many these very high tech sections. The 400 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,559 feeling in England to rely on CCTV and just the goodness of people, or 401 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:32,519 in America with all these because we're just if we're just easier on criminals, 402 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,279 I think it's just a broader trend if we just go easier on people, 403 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,240 if we if we don't sentence so strongly, if we don't arrest for all 404 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,920 these minor crafts, hard vicious people exist, and they will take advantage of 405 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,920 that. People who do not care about human life, people who hate you, 406 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,000 and you see it all across the West as barbarians are essentially at the 407 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,839 gates. Sometimes I talk to you, and you legitimately reframe an issue in 408 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,920 such a thoughtful wacross. Because as as you saying that, I'm thinking of 409 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:07,279 the deaths that happened here in the United States, and especially in the one 410 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:12,799 in New York of the like a cab activist who was stabbed. He had 411 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,559 been sitting with his girlfriend on a bench at like four in the morning in 412 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:25,279 Manhattan and a roving he was psychologically damaged. Man stabbed him to death. 413 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,519 And this guy had been, you know, an anti police, social justice 414 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:32,799 activist. There was another story in Philadelphia, though that one is turning out 415 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,440 to be much more complicated. It looks like, actually, the what I 416 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,519 thought it was, Yeah, I'm sure you did. Sure that was your 417 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:44,000 suspicion, was a victim of his own lifestyle. It turns out that they 418 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:49,279 may have had a statutory rape relationship. Actually that he was like some thirty 419 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:55,960 four year olds who had been courting a fifteen year old boy anyway in recent 420 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,200 years. Yeah, so anyway, a little bit more complicated. But that 421 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,519 question of decadence also brings us to the college campuses. It also brings us 422 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,039 to the streets of Dearborn, Michigan, which it doesn't surprise me one bit 423 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:12,079 that the streets of Dearborn, Michigan look like they have looked over the last 424 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:17,359 couple of days, with people waiving Palestinian flags and large numbers. Dearborn is 425 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:22,960 obviously a hugely Muslim community in Michigan, but you've also seen it in Times 426 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:30,240 Square. You've seen people openly not just supporting Palestinian civilians, but supporting Hamas. 427 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:36,279 We saw the paraglider image being used a couple of times by social justice 428 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:44,480 groups. This isn't to say every person who is organizing on behalf of the 429 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:51,960 Palaestin Miilian civilians is interested in supporting Hamas, although I would say some of 430 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,359 them actually are, because we have seen the paragliders, and we have heard 431 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,839 what people have said. And again, if you are somebody with answerree in 432 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:08,359 Palestine, if you are somebody who has this anti colonial mindset, then I 433 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:15,079 mean, I guess logically your argument for Palestine is you know, I think 434 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,400 it's awful. I guess it checks out. You know, It's like that 435 00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:21,559 Washington Post author liking the tweet that was like, what did you guys think 436 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,559 decolonize meant? Of course, this is what decolonizing looks like it's not you 437 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:32,079 know, holding hands and singing Kumbaya. It is essentially ethnic cleansing in Israel. 438 00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:36,680 That's what from the river to the sea and practice means there is no 439 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,400 from the river to the sea by holding hands. That's not what it looks 440 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,240 like. So Chris, I did find it interesting that some of these students 441 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:50,759 ended up not being docs because they signed public letters, but having employers, 442 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,799 having employers look for the names of everybody who had signed those letters, some 443 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,839 people. I think at least one person lost a job at a big like 444 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880 white shoe firm because of it. That's the decadent bubble being burst, right. 445 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,039 It's all fun and games when you're talking about decolonizing. It's all fun 446 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:10,719 and games when you're talking about colonialism. When you are smacked in the face 447 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,320 with the harsh reality of the world, I think your ideology is going to 448 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920 change a little bit. And I feel like there actually is a generation of 449 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,599 people who have the social justice ideology because our culture has conditioned them to see 450 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,320 it as the only moral way to approach the world, who are slowly being 451 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,760 mugged by reality. I mean, it's a lot easier to talk about decolonization 452 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,679 when you no longer have the Apache rating your settlements and killing your women and 453 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,400 children and carrying them off and slaughtering the men and burning it down again, 454 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:45,480 and when you're not seeing social media images of people being slaughtered in mass Yeah, 455 00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:50,760 it's really easy for these kind of decolonizer folks to reach into the pass, 456 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,199 to a brutal pass that they have no connection to, where they don't 457 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,880 know what it was like on the frontiers, in the back and forth battles 458 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,119 between the colonists and the Indians, which were brutal on all sides. There 459 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,400 was war. They don't have that anymore. The now America's Indian population lives 460 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:15,039 an extremely impoverished, drug addicted human trafficking reservations and some of them living around 461 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:21,199 casinos. But they're certainly not raiding borders and attacking people. So that's easier 462 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,599 than to go back and say it was really bad what happened. Everything was 463 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,920 evil this combat, and there was there was evil on all sides of of 464 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,599 course, but us both satirism here when you're very fine people on both sides 465 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:38,679 of the Mississippi River, but when you've got a hamas live streaming horizontally. 466 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:45,559 It might add live streaming these vicious attacks on stoned concert goers fleeing in the 467 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:50,239 desert, and you can't just close your eyes and say it's not real. 468 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,800 I mean they still have They've started to say, well, they didn't capitate 469 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:59,199 thirty babies, forty maybe thirty, it was just it's they're still trying to 470 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,119 draw that line. But here you are confronted with the thing that you claim 471 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,599 is so good. Like it's like there's they're making a remake of this. 472 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,079 Like the other side of the Israeli security fences, it's just fern Gully where 473 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:15,079 people live in complete the noble, savage and complete sympatico with natures. Actually 474 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,800 no, it's some pretty hard barbarians on that side that will kill everyone here 475 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,519 if they get the chance. I have a rule where I cut Chris off 476 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:29,280 anytime you mentioned fern Gullie. I'm implementing it right now. I always joked 477 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,119 at it as all the Pocahontas rule, where it's like these evils, evil 478 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:39,320 Europeans has arrived and disturb the peaceful, nature loving ecosystem that existed in America 479 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,599 before them. It's a complete and total fantasy. It's just Chris's only pop 480 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:47,039 culture point of reference to his only pop culture point of reference into world affairs 481 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:54,039 is fern Gully also Captain Planet mostly fern Gully thirty years war. Well that's 482 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,800 not pop culture maybe in your mind. Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over at 483 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,159 The and Since Society, thank you so much. It was great to have 484 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,079 you back, great to be here. All right, Well, you've been 485 00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,880 listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Drshinski, culture 486 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,159 editor here at The Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. Until then, 487 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:28,119 be lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray