WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.160 Hey, everybody, This is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know, 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:30.079 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Hotisen. He there. 3 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:34.799 Welcome back to Sasquatchis. Thanks so much for clicking play. It is 4 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:38.560 Sunday. I hope you're having a great weekend. We have two amazing guests 5 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.240 for you. But before we get there, I want to start by inviting 6 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.200 you. If you've had any counter and you'd like to be on the show, 7 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.280 shoot me an email you get me at Brian at a Animal World Productions 8 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.799 dot com. Get head over to the website, check it out, became 9 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:55.920 remember there and help support this show. This is part two of Jason's story 10 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.159 that we started on Friday. This is the conclusion of the experiences that he 11 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.560 and his family had out on their camping trip. And this ends up being 12 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.680 one of those situations where Jason thinks that his son was almost taken by one 13 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.959 of these creatures. And then we close out with Spencer from Minnesota. He 14 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:17.239 had a couple of interesting experiences that he wants to share with us. It's 15 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.920 very short at the end of this it's only about eight or ten minutes, 16 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.640 but he did have some interesting vocalizations that he's heard, found some footprints, 17 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.000 and had some weird experiences where he felt like he was being watched. But 18 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.879 I'll let Spencer tell you all about that in just a second, really quickly. 19 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:33.280 If you haven't already done so, please take time to rate and review 20 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:36.400 the show wherever you're listening to the podcast. And if you haven't picked up 21 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.400 your copy of my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend, 22 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.200 you can do that in a number of ways. You can head over to 23 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.480 Paranormal World Productions dot com. We have a store button right there at the 24 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.359 top of the page. You can pick up an autographed copy of the book 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.719 right there. Or you can head over to Hanger one Publishing dot com. 26 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.400 You can pick up the book there directly from them, or you can get 27 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.840 it from Amazon, Kendall, or Barnes and Noble. But enough of that, 28 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.680 I know you're ready to get into part two of Jason's story and then 29 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.719 close it out with Spencer, so I'm gonna stop talking. All you have 30 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:25.800 to do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I can see 31 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.639 the moonlight, I can see where he was standing. He had his back 32 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.080 towards us, and he had his head tilted down about twenty degrees, looking 33 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:39.319 down into the straw, motionless. I ran up to him and I grabbed 34 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:44.759 him by his left shoulder to turn him around, almost like my dog, 35 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:49.159 who was not wanting to be moved. He wasn't fighting me, but there 36 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:53.800 was enough pressure where he was not wanting to be turned. But he's looking 37 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:59.680 down. I look over his shoulder. Just what then arms reach of us 38 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:05.960 in the pitch black timber. Not again, we were in an open area. 39 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.159 The moonlight could shine on us, but you just step into that timber, 40 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:14.919 that thick stuff, and it's black. It's midnight. Black. Was 41 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:22.759 this perfect silhouette of a sasquatch with no neck. It just had it basically 42 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.800 was his head, traps, shoulders. There was no neck, just this 43 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:36.520 pitch black, no facial features and the softest, the softest amber glowing eyes, 44 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:43.159 not round but almost almond shaped. And as soon as I looked over 45 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:50.879 my son's shoulder and it saw me there, it spun around underneath degrees and 46 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.800 just crashed down into the dark timber. Boom boom, and you could just 47 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.280 feel the ground shaking. I got my son turned around and he still was 48 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.439 in this almost like a trance. I walked him back to his cap chair. 49 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:08.759 I sat him down, and he didn't say a word. I didn't 50 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:13.120 ask him anything. I felt that it was an appropriate time. I said 51 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.160 to myself, well dressed this tomorrow or if he wants to, But he 52 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.160 snapped out of it. He started talking, but I didn't ask him any 53 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:27.319 questions. I firmly believe there's no doubt in my mind that if he had 54 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.160 not had yelled for me and I hadn't got there as fast as I did, 55 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.600 that being I believe would have taken my son and he would have been 56 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.560 one of the four to one to one missing chapters. I cannot explain what 57 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:47.879 caused him to act like a robot. Almost It's as if something told him 58 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:54.279 stand up and come here, walk over here. So that's what I believe 59 00:04:55.120 --> 00:05:00.279 was on all three sides of us. Whether it was a different specie, 60 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:06.120 I don't know where multiple species gathered in this area to consume this food source. 61 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:12.600 Was it mom and pop uncle messing with this, I don't know. 62 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.600 I just know what I and my son saw was this dark silhouette was not 63 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.480 of a sasquatch silhouette. It was just this. There's a picture I should 64 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:26.439 have sent to you too that would describe it even better. But almost no 65 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:31.360 net, just a head and then the arms with the softest ambergoing eyes. 66 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.360 Now, once my son and I got back to the camp in the fire, 67 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:41.480 they kept up again. They kept up all night long. Finally my 68 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.040 son went to bed, but I stayed up all night long. Just before 69 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:50.199 daylight they stopped and left. That was my very first encounter, day one, 70 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:57.920 twenty four hour encounter just changed my life forever. What happened after that 71 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.600 has kept me quiet for ten year. Now, for ten years, I've 72 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:05.240 still done my research. I have so much stuff I've gathered evidence. That's 73 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:11.600 another that would take forever to go through. But I get home, Oh 74 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:16.199 I'm sorry. The next morning, remove seven miles to get away from them, 75 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:23.920 Leave them alone, leave the spot alone. We did, and for 76 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:30.279 the next six nights nothing lovely camping. We did, our family time, 77 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.839 and whatever was back down there never came up to mess with us. So 78 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.879 after I get back home, I started, within a week or so a 79 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:46.000 Facebook page my local area and just caught on fire with people contacted me sharing 80 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.800 their private information. Some of the most beautiful stories. People have encountered on 81 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:57.839 and on on my Facebook page. I thoroughly documented this twenty four hour event 82 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.319 great detail and do we have time? This was very important here and I'd 83 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.680 like everybody out there listening when I explain this. I hope that you get 84 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:12.839 a clear picture and I'll do my best. I explained in great detail how 85 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.399 I collected the samples, what I've obtained. A couple of weeks later, 86 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:21.319 to this day, I don't know how my phone number was obtained. The 87 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:26.600 doctor Jeff Melgrim contacted me on telephone, call me at my house. First 88 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.480 thought it was a prank. Seriously, I'm like, what's this dude calling 89 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:33.040 me for? We're good friends now. But he goes, I was told 90 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:41.040 that you collected what you believe to be genuine bigfoot. I don't use the 91 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:46.360 word bigfoot. I consider bigfoot slang the generic term. I use sasquatch. 92 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.800 So if anybody out there hears me continually saying sasquatch, that's my personal wordage, 93 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:57.040 I says, yes, doctor Meldrim, I collected some sasquatch eecal samples. 94 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.759 They were selight. I told him how I did it. He goes, 95 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.360 did you get any hair? I go yeah, and he goes, 96 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.160 how do you know what you got are not normal hair? Says I do 97 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.959 him underneath my microscope. Two of our deer. One was crystal clear. 98 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:18.839 It had no modula in it. Aha, Instantaneously I knew. So he 99 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:24.000 asked, was it from the inside, and I says, no, this 100 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.639 was sloughed off as it had its bowel movement, like it got pulled off 101 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:35.000 from its butt hairs or it just loosened up and was stuck to the outer 102 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.320 casing. He goes, you get me those hairs, get them to me 103 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:43.799 right away. And I did exactly as he wanted, how he wanted to 104 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.080 send to him in a specific manner. And I want to say, maybe 105 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.320 two or three weeks. Two or three weeks later he calls me back. 106 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.480 No, he didn't say anything about the hair. He goes, do you 107 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:05.799 want to participate? And a documentary recreates this event. This is in twenty 108 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.840 fourteen. I'm like, wait a minute again, me so I know now 109 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.399 I got something that he's got that he wants this on record. So for 110 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.960 sure, I'm not going to mention the company. But they're from the United 111 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:28.720 Kingdom in conjunction with the Smithsonian Institute a film crew flew from Toronto, Canada, 112 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:35.000 to Las Vegas. They drove from Las Vegas all the way to my 113 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.679 little corner of Washington State. They were wanting to go out and film the 114 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:43.559 exact location. Now I don't mean this in any disrespect, but I looked 115 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:46.600 at what they were wearing, and I'm like, you guys are gonna wear 116 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:52.720 that stuff up there, loafers. They were unprepared brough peny loafers, Like, 117 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.879 Okay, let's go. But it's a professional film crew, and boy 118 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.639 did they do a good job. They up park what they filmed and how 119 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.840 they wanted it all done. And when we were done, dummy me. 120 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.799 They hand me a one page contract and I signed off on it and they 121 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.440 were off to go do an interview in northern Idaho with retired sheriff deputy on 122 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:20.879 his encounter. So basically I had given away my rights to this documentary without 123 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:26.200 really knowing what I was doing. I just thought I was signing some Yes, 124 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.039 these guys were here, pay them verification. I don't know. It 125 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.200 doesn't matter. Eindsight is twenty twenty now, but I'm waiting for this doc 126 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:41.159 to come out now, not live or on YouTube or anything. It was 127 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.759 supposed to come to me. Each and every person was to watch it and 128 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:50.519 okay, that's good, let it go, or if there's any slight changes 129 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.279 that cannot be refilmed, let us know that never ever happened. A couple 130 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.840 of months later, go by, maybe six months later, go by, 131 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.919 and one of the group members on Facebook page goes, hey, have you 132 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.320 seen your documentary? I'm like, what where? He goes, It's right 133 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.759 here. He sends me a link. I can't tell you just how horrible 134 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:16.679 they made us. Look, this was a skeptic film. They made fun 135 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.000 of us through the film. Now I'm telling you people out here who are 136 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:26.679 listening. It was on Sasquatch Chronicles, which is still active, but the 137 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.679 video was taking down. The documentary is no longer available. I downloaded to 138 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.960 YouTube to my downloads, but once it was yanked off YouTube, they also 139 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.360 took it off my download I never put it on note backup ereathing. But 140 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.240 bottom line is when I mentioned this documentary, people like can I see it? 141 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:52.399 And I cannot even access it. I've been in contact with the owners 142 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:58.639 of Sasquatch Chronicles and they have clearly stated that they called a bunch years ago 143 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.879 that didn't get the view or the likes that they needed. Duh, because 144 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.200 what they did to me and the sheriff deputy and my daughter was so embarrassing. 145 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.799 Doctor Mildred didn't do nothing. It was the producers, the people who 146 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.919 put this spoof film together. They said that my daughter and I and the 147 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:24.759 sheriff deputy who was roughly three hundred miles away, saw the exact same escape 148 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.240 walking circus bear in the woods. That's what we saw. They made fun 149 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.720 of us. How could people not know the difference between a colon? I 150 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.440 can't argue with the screen. And then at the end, I won't mention 151 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:45.279 the doctor's name, but the samples that doctor Meldrone had he sent them to 152 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:52.200 NYU University for DNA analysis. And the last scene was this doctor stating, 153 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.039 what a waste of my time? These were all dear hair, white tailed 154 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:03.840 deer hairs, and he just he rated myself and a little bit towards I 155 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.200 took it a little bit towards doctor Melger for wasting his time. No, 156 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.559 what we had, Doctor Melger would not have had this all set up if 157 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.039 he hadn't had something basically his team and that said, this is unidentifiable. 158 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.840 We don't know what it is, and we think we got something, and 159 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.000 then for it to come back one hundred percent white tail deer. I knew 160 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.960 it was whit tail deer my basement of a microscope. But I believe this 161 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:33.559 doctor the end was part of the disinformation or cover up or don't not conspiracy, 162 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.480 I don't whatever, but yeah, for him to come out and insult 163 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.559 me like that. Also, him and I had a talk over the telephone. 164 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.840 Needless to say, I'm blocked from him now good. But that's why 165 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:48.240 for ten years I've kept my mouth shut. I'm not a YouTube. No 166 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:54.399 disrespect to anybody doing this, but I don't care for the likes, the 167 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:56.879 paddle, the back fortunate fame. I don't care about all that. What 168 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.320 I care about doing is going out spend the time with my Woodland friends, 169 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.480 though in one area, have accepted me, no doubt, and even with 170 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.080 bringing other people, we've had encounters, not just solo. My research partner 171 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.080 and I had a great one one night. But now I feel it's time 172 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:24.240 to share all of my goodies that I have stored and kept silent. And 173 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:26.879 we're not just talking about what I'm telling you speaking to you. Anybody can 174 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.480 talk. I'm talking about physical evidence that you cannot punch holes in. It's 175 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:41.480 that concrete, such well and thorough research that I go through from my military, 176 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:48.480 my medical background, and how I also approach going into certain areas. 177 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:54.559 So just too Now I'm not to my own horn, but I'll be in 178 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.480 legends and meet science too coming up here. In fact, I'm leaving in 179 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.559 March twelfth to the do the filming for this three hour documentary. I don't 180 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.120 know if you're familiar with duck Hye check in his program. Okay, so 181 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.120 yeah, out of all the people that he could have picked, I'm just 182 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.960 one, you know, I'm one of the people that he has picked to 183 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.679 add great weight to his documentary, which took a lot of debating on if 184 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.399 I want to do this, but I want this to be done right. 185 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.120 No more to spoof and stuff. No more this I mentioned before. Go 186 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.000 to your campground where you got fifty other campers, and you walk out, 187 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.679 take a walk, and you have an encounter five feet from your trailer. 188 00:15:35.879 --> 00:15:39.039 Yeah possible, Okay, a pine cone falling in front of you. It 189 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.320 doesn't mean it's been thrown at you. My stuff's pretty solid and I can't 190 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.679 think Doug enough for this opportunity, because this is only my fourth podcast I've 191 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:52.360 done that, I've opened up now. I've always scratched the surface of things 192 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:56.679 that I've collected and so forth. That's how it all started. A friendly 193 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.000 walk in the woods with my family. We stumble across this juveno male seuse 194 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:06.159 squatch cut, this little dude in the world come back camping. We almost 195 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.559 get our asses handed to us at night, and the sudden almost got taken. 196 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.679 There's a lot to this subject, this field, and all I'm doing 197 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.600 is concentrating in my one private area. And it's good. They're there all 198 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.440 the time, not during the winter. I can't get up in there during 199 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.279 the winter, but let me know. They always let me know, and 200 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.720 I love it now. One thing I do want to stay is I'm retired 201 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.960 military, so I can do this twenty four seven. My wife has allowed 202 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:38.000 me to be gone more than i'm at home because she knows that what I'm 203 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:42.600 doing is pretty Legit can't thank her enough for that. And yeah, it's 204 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.039 been pretty cool the things I found. It definitely sounds like a man. 205 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.279 I can't stress that enough. I've told people that in the past about how 206 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.759 important it is to have a partner in your life that allows you to do 207 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.840 what you do. There's a couple of people I know, like Kathy and 208 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.799 Bob's train come to mind, and the folks from Squatch America that I've been 209 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.759 on their show. I had them on my show. To have people in 210 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.079 your life, to have a partner that goes out with you is very important. 211 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.279 But if you don't have that, at least the support in the understanding 212 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.680 at home that allows you to do what you're doing, I think that's really 213 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.039 important. There's a couple of questions I have, Jason, I want to 214 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.599 go back to, Well, there's a lot of questions, but I'm going 215 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.960 to limit it to just a couple. I'm curious, and this is all 216 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:30.279 subjective. Of course, it's your opinion. Obviously, I'm curious about the 217 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.960 first guy that you saw the first day with your family, when you guys 218 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.880 were on the way up, and then obviously you got a different vibe from 219 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:44.680 this little dude eating his huckleberries and doing his thing versus the very scary moment 220 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.400 in my opinion, when your son was possibly on the verge of getting taken. 221 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:55.440 I think that's a very interesting dichotomy of experiences, and it's not uncommon, 222 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:59.079 frankly, but I want to know your take in retrospect, looking back 223 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.759 on that, how does that make you feel? Number One, about the 224 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:07.240 vibe you got from this little dude the first day versus this massive, dark 225 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.720 figure that your son was very close to and you got very close to. 226 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.400 Do you think looking back it was just because of the difference in age, 227 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.799 maybe, and maybe you had pissed these things off and that was the vibe 228 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.440 that you were getting from the big one. Go into that if you don't 229 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:25.640 mind a little bit about the difference in what you felt that first day versus 230 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:30.000 that moment in the dead of night when you feel like this thing might have 231 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.799 been about to take your soign you explained it just how I would. It's 232 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:41.519 being so close to something that now I know is flesh and blood, not 233 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:47.640 an operition or comes out of another dimension. All those theories I don't follow. 234 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.880 What I know. I know human anatomy, and I know that what 235 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.440 I watched and observed, the rise and fall of the chest, each breath, 236 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:06.319 the dexterity of thes they twinkle in its eye, the loving vibe it 237 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:10.200 gave off and again, I knew, I felt there was another one around, 238 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.440 but there was no way for me to pinpoint it. So I went 239 00:19:14.480 --> 00:19:19.279 from one end of the spectrum thinking, what a cute little guy, this 240 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.559 guy, but I know he's going to grow up to be a badass, 241 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.559 no doubt in my mind, he was already jacked, so he was on 242 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:32.960 his way. I still say he was pre pubescent. Then, the three 243 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:40.200 that were harassing us, I just truly believe we were in their area that 244 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:45.759 they claimed for that food source period. They allowed us to walk up. 245 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.079 I think they were side healing us as we were going up, trying to 246 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:57.519 make enough noise to scare us back down that first day, because they were 247 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.839 horizontal to us as we were working on our way up. One maybe two, 248 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.279 I don't know. Maybe he was a little guy, I don't know. 249 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:11.119 But why in this world, when they're so elusive and don't want to 250 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:18.680 be seen or heard, are they allowing themselves to make such audible noises as 251 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.160 we're working our way up and then they're crashing, We're working a way up, 252 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:27.519 crashing, and then the next night I just think they I think what 253 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:33.960 happened, honestly was they were grateful that we left that night. Yes, 254 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.920 you got too close to our kid, or the kid got in trouble for 255 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.920 what he did get too close to us, and I think that they thought 256 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.279 that we were gone for good. But by coming back the next night, 257 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.920 maybe that was my error and maybe that's what set them off. Okay, 258 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.799 they're back, so as it gets dark, we're going to get rid of 259 00:20:55.799 --> 00:21:00.240 them. That's just my theory. I also think it could have been they 260 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:06.160 had all their youths, their infants, the whole klan, moving from food 261 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:10.000 source to food source. It posted up in this area, using this food 262 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.279 source, then once it's done, to move on. I just think we 263 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.640 interrupted their vibe, their mojo, and they didn't want us there at all 264 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:26.559 period. But I do stress the fact that if they were upset knowing that 265 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.039 this little one was too close, I might assume that they might have done 266 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:34.799 something at that point to scare us off. Or the little guy wanted off 267 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:40.160 by himself and they had no idea where he was at until he came back. 268 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:41.359 He says, Mom, Dad, I guess what. I watched these 269 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:47.279 things and they didn't like that. It's fifty to fifty, but I can 270 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:52.240 attest to this. They were so upset, and I think the elders, 271 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.880 or the dads, or the uncles, the top tier badasses were the ones 272 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.480 trying to make the most intimidating. Okay, we can't get rid of them. 273 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.920 We're gonna take one of them. Nothing was thrown at us, because 274 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.440 they could have usually been throwing blogs up over the nothing was so it was 275 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.400 just crashing. It was a strength test. Now again, I'm gonna say 276 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:17.960 this weep. It almost like a cock fight between two dudes. Who's gonna 277 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.559 stand on the ground the most. It's three on one. I stood my 278 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:25.839 ground and nothing happened. Those are just my theories, and that's all we 279 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.799 can come up with our theories. I just think the little guy slipped up. 280 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.319 I think he slipped up and they didn't like that. It's just that's 281 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:38.480 my top. That'd be my go to answer. Secondary would be run us 282 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.279 off. I got you, and like I said, I know it's subjective. 283 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.680 I appreciate you answering the question. There's no way to really know because 284 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.759 you can't get in their brains and you can't ask them. So I tell 285 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:49.960 you, man, it sounds like we probably need to get you back and 286 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.119 talk a little bit more about the research and maybe some of your other experiences 287 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.680 at some point. But I know you don't do a lot of podcasts. 288 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.519 I had to reach out to you. I saw you on Dugs podcast and 289 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.799 I really thought your story was compelling and I wanted to bring it to as 290 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:06.480 many people as possible. I really appreciate you coming on and taking the time 291 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:07.759 you did and sharing your stuff. I've had a blast talking to you, 292 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.759 man, Thank you. I just want everybody out there listening. It's very 293 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:18.240 easy to critique what you or someone would do in this situation. You weren't 294 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.519 my situation. You don't know how you're going to react unless you have this 295 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:26.559 moment. Many questions, many theories have been thrown at me. Why didn't 296 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.240 he do this? Why did he do that? Do you worn't there? 297 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.279 I did the best that I could, never put my family in danger to 298 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.319 the best of my knowledge, and we still had a great time. Again. 299 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:44.720 Life changing moment not started my obsession. As I stated earlier, the 300 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:51.079 next story, the next episode, or whatever will be nothing like anybody else 301 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.519 has ever said, or reported or told. Because I'm going to leave it 302 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.440 at this, Brian, I don't go out on podcasts and share I have 303 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.720 my face book page. I have my friends, but I'm not on the 304 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.640 YouTube. I don't watch any podcast, I don't watch any shows. What 305 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:12.000 I do is I keep my brain clean from contamination. What I find I 306 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.000 never want say this is, but it is more likely than not once you 307 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.119 rule out all the possibilities. Yeah, I got some good stuff. Whatever 308 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:29.160 happens, that's my encounter. My family's encounter condensed because I left out quite 309 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:33.119 a bunch of Missilenner stuff. Yeah, thank you. Pull her back any 310 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.079 time. The next ones are good. I'll have pictures that I can send 311 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.079 to you if you're able to pull them up and share with people. We're 312 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.960 watching too, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be 313 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.559 right back after these messages. I want to welcome our guest to the show. 314 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.240 It is Spencer from Minnesota. Welcome to the show. Thank you for 315 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.599 having me. I've been looking forward to this conversation. Let's talk about Bigfoot? 316 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.200 What guy you interested in the subject to begin with? Originally, in 317 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:06.200 my fifth grade teacher in Southwest Washington used to read books that he had and 318 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.400 that's what originally got me started and interested in it as a kid. Was 319 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.839 it something you were hearing these stories, and did you believe in it at 320 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:17.279 the time or did it take a little bit more of getting into it and 321 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:21.519 having experiences before you believed it. No, I didn't believe it at all 322 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.000 until I had my experience finding the footprints. All take us back to where 323 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:26.880 you were, what you were doing, and tell us what happened to you. 324 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:34.119 So it was springtime back when I was seventeen years old and had decided 325 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.799 we were going to go on vacation. My uncle, historic friend, mit, 326 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.200 your brothers, and my parents. We went to Mount Rainier. We 327 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.599 stayed just right outside the main gate going up to Paradise. The second morning, 328 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:52.000 we decided we're going to go fishing, so we drove down. I 329 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:57.079 believe it's Forest Roade fifty two, which leads to Packwood. It's also called 330 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:03.759 Skate Creek Road, and we're about three miles in, walk down to the 331 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.240 creek, fish for a few hours, walk him back up, you know, 332 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.680 just going along the trail, and my uncle stop and he turned completely 333 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.599 wide. We walked upon him and his mouth is on the floor and in 334 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.960 front of him is a seventeen inch footprint. The big toe is My mom 335 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.079 explains that it was off a little bit like almost like an ape's foot, 336 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.839 but not quite. But it also had the what do you call it, 337 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:33.440 the lines in it, like your lights in your hands and your feet, 338 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.200 and the opposite foot was seven feet in front of that. Oh. That 339 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:42.799 was my first experience with starting to believe in Bigfoot. So when you guys 340 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.880 come across this, I've found footprints on our land here in North Carolina as 341 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.200 well as up in Radium last year with Todd standing. It's a pretty powerful 342 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.039 experience, at least it has been for me to find those things because it's 343 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:00.359 not something that you're expecting to see. And obviously you're in an area where 344 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:06.319 there's a lot of sidings, and in the Pacific Northwest specifically, there's a 345 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:11.079 ton of history with Sasquatch. How did you feel, were you relating, 346 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.559 were you looking back on some of those stories that you heard when you were 347 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.480 a kid in fifth grade? Were you putting the dots together at that point? 348 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.079 Talk a little bit about what was going through your mind when you saw 349 00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:23.319 this. Did you immediately identify it with Bigfoot or you thought, Okay, 350 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:29.160 Shack's out here walking around barefoot in the woods. No, I immediately I 351 00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:33.319 was like, what would I say, dumbfounded? I was amazed, and 352 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.920 it got me even more into the subject. It usually does one or two 353 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.480 things. When you have an experience like that, or you see something that 354 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.279 you think might be evidence of bigfoot, it usually turns people in one or 355 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.119 two directions. Either you run for the heels, you don't want to have 356 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:48.240 anything to do with it, or you go down the rabbit hole. So 357 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.599 it sounds like to me you might have went down the rabbit hole a little 358 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.640 bit. What did that looked like for you? Was it diving into books? 359 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.720 Was it looking into as many documentaries and shows about it? Now? 360 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:03.279 I do a lot of document injuries. I watched both shows. I've met 361 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.079 several people from the show, both of them. Actually, I've met Maria 362 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.440 Russ and Cliff the last couple of years or since I've been married to my 363 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.559 other half. He's pushed the subject that get me even further into it. 364 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.720 Yeah, and then it's just an interest. I'm actually in the process of 365 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.000 eventually starting my podcasts with a friend. We're going to do Bigfoot in the 366 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.960 per normal couldn't work with it, my friend, Let's talk about some of 367 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.799 your other experiences. I know that's not the only thing you've experienced, So 368 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.200 take us into the next time you had an experience with these things. So 369 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.680 growing up late teens, early twenties, you would just like to jump in 370 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.079 the truck and go drive up in the hills. So we were one night, 371 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.000 decided to drive up to Mount Saint Helens and shoot around on the Cbee 372 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:48.799 radio's the big sang back. Then we decided we're going to turn up to 373 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.480 what is the sediment damn at Mount Saint Helens. We just sat up there 374 00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:59.200 for a little bit, walked around. But as we were leaving, you 375 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.359 turn out of it and you hit this like a side road and there's trees 376 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.599 between that and spiritally a kiway. So we're pulling out of there and my 377 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.680 lights hit the trees on the other side of the road and there is I 378 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:18.119 that there near probably about that far park, probably a good five six inches 379 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.240 apart, but they're like seven eight feet up in the air. My friend 380 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.279 had his girlfriend with him if it scared her, and she made the air 381 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.200 out of there. But that I looked back on that and I'm like, 382 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:34.960 that's it could have been. Because my third encounter kind of thing I had 383 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:41.599 happened in the exact same spot years later, probably a good ten years later. 384 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:47.359 I was up there with my ex He was working as a summertime park 385 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.599 ranger in Mount Saint Helens up at the visitor center Johnson Ridge. We just 386 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.960 decided one day where we're going to go for a short hike. We decided 387 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.880 we're going to hike the top of the sediment dam, and then there's a 388 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.599 trail on the other side of that way off into the the brush. We 389 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.119 walked up there where probably a good hour and we decided we were going to 390 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.839 head back. As we're heading back, we started hearing noise off to it 391 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:17.640 would be our right side. Then started getting rocks thrown at us off the 392 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.640 hillside next to us. That scared me. We decided we were going to 393 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.240 get out of there as quick as we could. That's pretty much all of 394 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.519 my stories. There were several times too. I worked in the wits for 395 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.240 the Department of Natural Resources Washington State. There's been several times that I felt 396 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.279 like I was being watched. We were out in the middle of nowhere on 397 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.559 horse trails taking care of them near where they did one of the Finding Big 398 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.160 Bit episodes. Like you said, I went down a rabbit hole. I 399 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.240 have a room that's nothing, but it's just gotten crazy. It tends to 400 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.359 happen that way. I'm going to tell you. With the rock throwing thing, 401 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.279 that's something that obviously, I don't want to say it's a common thing 402 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.039 that you hear, but you do hear it in a lot of encounters. 403 00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:04.119 I really even considered how I would react until I had that experience up in 404 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.480 Radium last year in October. We were sitting around the campfire and it happened 405 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:14.400 on a couple of occasions on two different nights where we were having what it 406 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.319 was either rocks or small pine cones. It was really hard to tell. 407 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.960 We looked the next day. There's rocks everywhere, there's pine cones everywhere, 408 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.359 so it's hard to tell what was being thrown. But I remember thinking when 409 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.519 it was happening in the moment, I'm eighteen miles back in the woods. 410 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.599 Everybody who I know as a human being is in this circle with me. 411 00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:40.279 There's nobody else within eighteen miles of us, basically, and something is throwing 412 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.799 rocks at us, and it was really surreal for me. I don't know 413 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.480 if this was how it happened to you. Obviously it sounded like it scared 414 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.640 you a little bit. It wasn't a very scary thing to me, honestly, 415 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.400 it was just more of a I can't believe this is happening kind of 416 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.720 thing. Same thing with vocalizations and some of the other stuff that I've experienced. 417 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.759 Has it been the same for you when you have having this feeling of 418 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.559 being watched, the rocks thrown you're seeing the footprints. Has it just been 419 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.319 more of a surreal thing or has it been something that has ignited that fear 420 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:13.480 response, and you have you responded to some of your experiences, I wouldn't 421 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.880 say fear except that time when we were having the rocks thrown at. Is 422 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.960 that scared me? Other than that, No, I would like to have 423 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:27.160 another encounter. There has been a couple other Like last time I visited back 424 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.519 home, we had drove up into the woods and I jokingly did a whoop 425 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:37.039 and a wood knock and we got a response that was outside of the Lovey 426 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:43.200 Washington up between Caslana and love Washington up in the woods. When you say 427 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.799 response, did you get a wood knock back? Did you get a whoop? 428 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.680 Did you get both what was the response. Old We got that both 429 00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.400 at night, and my brothers hit jokes about it all the time, But 430 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:59.119 that kind of made a wake up a little bit. I could definitely understand 431 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:00.680 how that would happen. Let me ask you this. This has come up 432 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:05.240 recently in some of the conversations that I've had with folks. I had a 433 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.079 couple of gentlemen on recently, just in the last week that I've interviewed that 434 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:15.599 were very much into the possibility of these things being metaphysical, interdimensional, and 435 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:22.799 possibly even having some sort of a connection with extraterrestrials. Where are you on 436 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:27.160 the spectrum? Are you into more of the flesh and blood aspect of this, 437 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.960 Do you think it's more of a hybrid situation, or do you think 438 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.880 there's more to these things, maybe metaphysically, interdimensionally or possibly some sort of 439 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:40.000 the extraterrestrial connection with Bigfoot. I have watched a lot of documentaries where people 440 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.839 had seen the Bigfoot and then also seen a UFO shortly after, So I 441 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.680 believe that anything is possible. I think that's the best way to be when 442 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.119 it comes to this stuff. Man, You've got to keep an open mind, 443 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.720 and I certainly do that. I'm more in the flesh and blood camp. 444 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.359 I think if these things do exist, I've never seen one, so 445 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.400 I always say if they exist, because I'm just not one hundred percent there 446 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.400 yet. But I think if they do, I think it's more of a 447 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.639 flesh and blood creature. At least. That's where I'm hanging my hat at 448 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.199 this point. But I'm open to being wrong. If anybody out there wants 449 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.159 to prove me wrong, I'm certainly open to that. I really appreciate you 450 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:16.480 coming on and sharing your experiences. Man, I've had a good time talking 451 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.599 to you. Yep, thank you. They say you don't gotta go home, 452 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:57.440 but you can't stay. I don't want to be world out that jot 453 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:06.079 this job chod everyday, call me brick bricket back no joy for me joy 454 00:35:06.280 --> 00:36:10.480 stay right, you call it right away steps step step stout talking abouts past 455 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:22.559 state pays, US state has things fast, US states pass