1 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:21,239 What is crack a lacin fellow thermonuclear a evers. I am the incredibly sleep 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,320 deprived Dana Valley coming at you with my certified man tabulous co host, mister 3 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,000 Grant Hughes. We have to talk about This is not what we plan to 4 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,519 talk about. We were gonna bounce around the NBA and talk about a whole 5 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,520 bunch bunch of different stuff and teams and players. James Harden was traded to 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,560 the Clippers, though, so we're gonna get into that. We're gonna talk 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,640 about the impact has on the Sixers, the Clippers, maybe the rest of 8 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:44,159 the NBA as well. 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The more people 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,159 we have, the less Grant and I need to drive discussion, which is 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,159 good because our time is very sparse this time of year, and follow us 20 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:26,560 on all the socials. The handles are in the podcast and YouTube description as 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,040 well. If you'd like to support the show, check out our merch I 22 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:34,000 still have not convinced my wife, who is a graphic designer, to hurry 23 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,079 up and get those other designs that we promise, so hopefully those will come 24 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,280 soon, but in the meantime, you go check out what we already have. 25 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,799 You can support the show that way as well. Grant, how the 26 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:49,439 heck are you doing well? I'm not sleep deprived, so that's good. 27 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,840 But if it's any consolation to you, I also just still feel tired, 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,799 so I don't know what to do with that. But I'm gonna you won't 29 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,719 be able to tell. I'm gonna power through because our listeners and viewers matter, 30 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,599 and I'm gonna suck it up and pretend not to be tired, partly 31 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:09,520 because I don't have an excuse. But yeah, So James Harden got traded. 32 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:15,879 Did you know about this the first I'm hearing about it. You found 33 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,680 out much sooner than I did. I didn't find out till this morning. 34 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:22,680 It's Tuesday morning. Apparently it was like an overnight thing and it was triggered 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,439 by According to Sham's Steve Baumber and Josh Harris were on the telephone and just 36 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:30,960 hashed it out, Which is crazy because all the reporting leading up to this 37 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,680 was all the Clippers have stepped away from the negotiating table. We must agree 38 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:39,800 before we go any farther to immediately dismiss any report that parties have stepped away 39 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,879 from the negotiating table, because that keeps happening and the deal gets done like 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,159 immediately afterwards. So that's clearly like the last gasp negotiating ploy from one side 41 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,400 or the other and then the deal gets done. Right, that seems forget 42 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,280 what the last one was. But this clearly happened before. Yeah, I 43 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:00,240 will say I'm tired of the Clippers making these late night trades and deal It 44 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,879 happened with KWHI and Free Agency. It happened when they traded Tobias Harris to 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,479 the to the Sixers, and now it happens again, like I get that 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,360 they operate on West Coast time, but it was a it was an ungodly 47 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:14,199 hour for West Coast snobs who are allowed to watch late games that run until 48 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,680 just ten o'clock there at time, rather than one time. Anyway, but 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,840 we should let's start with the trade details. Yeah, get to it. 50 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:27,240 So the Sixers are trading James Harden and PJ. Tucker, as well as 51 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,680 Philip Petrosev, who I imagine it will be done separately, although we're making 52 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:35,080 a lot of assumptions here, but those three players are going out coming into 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,919 Philly. Robert Covington reunion feels pretty good, Nicholas Patoom, kJ Martin, 54 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:45,599 Marcus Morris Senior. They are also getting draft picks. They are getting LA's 55 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:51,360 twenty eight first rounder unprotected. They're getting two second round picks. They're also 56 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,759 getting a twenty twenty six first round pick from OKC. It is technically the 57 00:03:55,759 --> 00:04:00,360 Clippers, but it's the least favorable of They have a protected Houston pick, 58 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,919 their own first round pick, and then that Clippers pick, So the Sixers 59 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,280 will get the least favorable of that, which you know is not going to 60 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:11,400 be a great pick, but it's a second first round pick, and they 61 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,079 will also get a swap. I believe that their swap is coming in twenty 62 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,000 twenty nine, correct grant I get that one, Yes, that is right, 63 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,639 and then a couple seconds in twenty one and twenty four and one in 64 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,560 twenty nine, and in exchange for I thought this was interesting, and I 65 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,439 misread it. The thunder is part of this deal because they're giving up that 66 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,720 first round the least favorable those first round picks. They have the right to 67 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:38,000 swap picks in twenty twenty seven with the Clippers. I read it as they 68 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,600 were giving up the twenty twenty six pick outright initially, and they were just 69 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,319 taking that swap. This makes a lot more sense. It's a very Sam 70 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Presty trade because you're still potentially getting the Clippers pick in twenty twenty six if 71 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,319 it's good. If it's not, you send it to the Sixers. And 72 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,439 now you're kicking the can another year, allowing the Clippers another year to implode 73 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,480 or fall off, and now they have even fewer assets with which to you 74 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:04,720 know, rebound should they go that route. And so I'd argue it's a 75 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,800 it's a I mean, it's a it's a very typical Sam Presti trade, 76 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,120 is right, it's just kind of let's let's use the assets we have, 77 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:16,879 because we have too many of them draft wise to like kind of just nudge 78 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,199 up the upside of you know, some of them, right, like, 79 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,800 because that twenty seven swap could potentially be a really great pick and and so 80 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,439 as as a I don't know, the six, there needed to be something 81 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,680 done to compensate the thunder for you know, getting off of that other pick, 82 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,279 and so this gives them I think some just better upside potentially, right, 83 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,040 There's no I think there's been a lot of research done on swaps that 84 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:45,480 a lot of the time the payout is not as good as we tend to 85 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:46,959 make it out to be. So getting a swap is you know, we 86 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 equate it to getting a first Sometimes it's not always that way. But this 87 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,600 one I kind of like the upside on them. And they also for them, 88 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:58,079 they only in that year, they only have their pick and the Nuggets 89 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,360 pick, which the Nuggets pick probably won't be very good. Yeah, and 90 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,720 so there's a chance that the swap gets exercise fairly. So that's the extent 91 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:08,439 of my analysis on what the thunder did. Is that. This is I 92 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,720 actually tweeted, this is the one of the things I got right. I 93 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,680 said, it would be very Danny Ainge. Oh, it would be very 94 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,600 typical of Danny Ainge or Sam Presty to get a swap from the Clippers in 95 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:20,319 exchange for sending out like a first round pick. And that's basically what happened. 96 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,319 It was the thunder low and behold. A lot of people thought the 97 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:26,319 thunder and the heat, We're gonna do some shenanigans like that when he came 98 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,439 to Damian Lillard. No, it happened for It happened for James Harden. 99 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,360 What's end of the spectrum do you want to start with here? Clippers are 100 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,879 sixers before we get to the league wide repercussions, if if they exist at 101 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:41,480 all, I guess sixers, just because I want to ask you. The 102 00:06:41,519 --> 00:06:46,079 first question I had was like, just what do you think of the return 103 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,800 package? Because all along Darryl Moury now so I'm jumping ahead. All along, 104 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Darryl Mory essentially said, I want to get someone that ups our championship 105 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,240 equity, right if I'm going to trade James Harden. He did not do 106 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,759 that, because you know, I guess makes the Sixers deeper. But you 107 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:06,759 know, we'll talk about this, but what the Sixers got were you know, 108 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,040 things they can use to go get that guy theoretically from someone else. 109 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:16,199 But just what did you think of the return package in light of like Harden 110 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:19,560 is a kind of extra complicated situation, but in light of you know, 111 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:26,600 the going rate for other big name stars, you know, numbers just sheer 112 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,720 number of firsts assets brought on because this is just expiring money essentially, and 113 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:35,160 what amounts to to first and a swap as far as like the stuff you 114 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:39,199 really care about? How do you think that stacks up, like maybe just 115 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,480 against your expectations of what the Sixers were going to get, or how it 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,160 stacks up against what the package might be hypothetically like ultimately, is this going 117 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:54,000 to be enough to get another star like at market rates you know where to 118 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,839 because the hard and discount I think is real because there weren't other suitors. 119 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:01,160 The Clippers kind of knew they had the Sixers over, so that depressed the 120 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,519 return a little bit. But you know, two first or two first for 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,560 a guy that's expiring and that the Sixers like just weren't going to go forward 122 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,480 with, so, what's your overall impression of like just what the Sixers were 123 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,399 able to get for James Harden when I thought they were getting too unprotected First, 124 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:18,680 when I misread it, I thought it was a home run. Now 125 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:22,160 I think this is probably where I would have expected. We've had the conversation 126 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,920 before, and it just felt like it was always gonna come down to could 127 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,240 they get Terrence Man or a second first round pick in addition to a first 128 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:33,360 round pick and a swap while also not taking on any long term money. 129 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,360 I was actually surprised. First of all, you weren't up for this, 130 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,559 which kudos to you. The details took forever to come out. Wows reported 131 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,720 it, and he even apparently this was per Keith Smith. I didn't listen 132 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:48,360 to the Walsh podcast. He was abow he was in the airport about to 133 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,639 catch a flight to LA the trade breaks, he tweeted out, but he 134 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,279 doesn't have the details. Yes, so he missed his flight, got kicked 135 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,399 out of the airport basically because he was taking too long to figure out the 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,720 details. And then I guess went home and eventually finished the reporting on it. 137 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,840 It took forever for the details to come out. And so I was 138 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,840 like kinda we were laying in wait to figure out what it was. I 139 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,559 think knowing how ugly he made it and knowing what few avenues were available to 140 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,559 both him and the Sixers, this feels about right. If anything, I 141 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,759 think you can argue the fact that you walked away with two first round picks 142 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:22,600 a swap and kJ Martin just another guy you can has a very low cap 143 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,679 hold you can throw into a Deal's like, oh, look at this guy 144 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,279 who's young. He'll give you some rim pressure. He'll be moved around defensively, 145 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,840 even if you don't think he's a great defender. And then like the 146 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,919 I like Roco, I know some Clippers were just fans, I said, 147 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:39,799 were just like kind of writing off his departure, like, oh, if 148 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,039 Terrence Man, would you know, hadn't started season with an ankle injury, 149 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,879 wouldn't been playing as much. I still think he's pretty valuable. I think, 150 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:48,080 but Tom can help the Sixers. I don't know what a healthy Marcus 151 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,679 Morris has left. If anything, it is a reunion of sorts for him. 152 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,039 He's he's a Philadelphia native. Uh. They have too many like non 153 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,720 wings now who also aren't guards. But also aren't centers. It's like these 154 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,840 pure fours and maybe Roco can play some five. That's something they need to 155 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:07,120 address. I don't I was not shocked one way or the other, but 156 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,919 it really comes down to tyres. MAXI isn't going anywhere now because I think 157 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,279 that factor a great deal into this trade was Oh, he's averaging over thirty 158 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,720 points per game while shooting a trillion percent from three, and his passing is 159 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:22,360 improved. He looks has more laterality off off the dribble. But now you 160 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,279 have these two picks, a swap salary matching, and you can trade one 161 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,879 first round pick yourself. So three first round picks and a swap plus expiring 162 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,519 salary. That's a real look. Jaden Springer probably has some value right now 163 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,320 just because the defense he's been playing. Yeah, that's a real offer. 164 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,919 When you get into and we should probably talk about what stars could they go 165 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:48,039 after. You're not going to outbid most teams that if it's like a real 166 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:50,720 sweepstakes a player like you know, let's just say I'm just throwing it out. 167 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,279 I don't think and this would be hysterical though. I don't think they 168 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,039 would have the best offer for McHale Bridges. Maybe they would if he came 169 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,399 on the market, but like three first round picks in a swap is a 170 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,480 real like baseline, like where if the player says they want to go to 171 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,759 Philly or says they don't want to go somewhere else, or maybe it's just 172 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:13,679 our other teams scared away from a Pascal Siakam or Zach Lavine. Those are 173 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,519 the names that are going to pop up. You know, I think most 174 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,759 most frequently that that's a real offer to put on the table. Yeah, 175 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,639 I think I think before we go to the Clipper side of this, I 176 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:26,720 think you've got us angled exactly where we need to go, which is like 177 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,279 the next steps for the Sixers if you're ready to go there. Because within 178 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,279 Woj's reporting and this has been it's just putting a finer point on what I 179 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,600 think everybody knew the Sixers wanted to do. Is their quote expected to pursue 180 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,000 a high level guard in trade, right, So what does that mean? 181 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,600 And like sure we all know what you know, they want an all star 182 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,159 at least we want someone that's gonna definitely start that's gonna be like no worse. 183 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,399 Clearly the third leading scorer on the team, maybe the second leading scorer 184 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,279 depending on what we're talking about, which is all fine, and all the 185 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:03,480 assets you've made that they can package together if forty ish million in expirings and 186 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,559 I mean, you know, not including Tobias Harris, but they're probably not 187 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,639 trading him. The picks, the swaps, you know, all those seconds 188 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:13,679 that they have. But like pickens are slim if you're just trying to add 189 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,919 you know. So, I mean, you mentioned the two Zach Levine, 190 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,840 Pascal Siakam, like DeMar de Rosen. We could just go down the list 191 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:28,639 of guys that are that even like brush up against this high level thing. 192 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,200 And not all of them are guards obviously because we mentioned Seacam, But it 193 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,600 to me, the one that jumps out is Levine, And I'm I think 194 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:41,639 probably what the Sixers have is close to enough to get him, especially if 195 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,799 things keep going south in Chicago. But is there is it Seacam, Is 196 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,799 that the other guy or I have a list of like ten twelve guys we 197 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,080 could sort of run through his options, But I'm Levine jumps out to me 198 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,720 as like if if in the Sixers ideal world, of the guys that are 199 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,120 actually available or we think are available. It almost has to be him unless 200 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:03,519 you have somebody else that you like too. I think, I mean you 201 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,840 have names, I have names we could run through. I think Lavine is 202 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,919 the most obvious and sensible of the most obvious candidates, because I saw Pascal 203 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:15,440 Siakam's name float around out there. Apparently he doesn't hate Nick Nurse as much 204 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 as an Ogna. Nope, he does or st think about the Nick Nurse 205 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,879 angle. This is why, this is why we need to team up, 206 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,960 because you pointed that out. Continue. Sorry, my whole thing there is 207 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,799 just like let's just say he's cool with Nick Nurse. What is like Skaman 208 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:33,639 and be going to be on offense? There's a lot of overlap in the 209 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,559 spots they want to work from. I definitely Sacams used to being more of 210 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:43,159 a floor general type, although not so much this season. But just like, 211 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,039 I just don't know, defensively that could be really cool, like it 212 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,120 might be super effective. But I'm looking at and look, Levine's a great 213 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,559 fitch is an off the dribble, three point shooting guy. Now you put 214 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,320 him in a role where he becomes the third option, which is not your 215 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,360 primary ball handler. That's a role. I still think he could be like 216 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,320 a number two wish guy on a contender, but like the number three spot 217 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,120 is like that's the role that like Zach Lyvine goes in and you have a 218 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,519 leg up on so many other teams. If he's your third, third option. 219 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:13,080 I don't want to say third best player. That could be disrespectful, 220 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,879 but like Tyrus Maxley's trajectory right now is yeah, super nova esque. I 221 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,840 get the interest there, It's just this team needs correct me if I'm wrong. 222 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,600 I know they have the Anthony Melton Kelly er Bray juniors had a pretty 223 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,279 good start, Like they need wings, yeah, and Levine's not a wing. 224 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,559 And then defensively again you have Melton here, Jade Spring here too. 225 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,960 Apparently you better mention Jayden Springer if you're talking about defense. But like if 226 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:45,279 Maxie and Levine or your back court like that puts an awful lot of pressure 227 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,840 on your front line. Intobias Harrison, Joel Embian like whoever, and Melton 228 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,559 like, if that's gonna be your go to lineup, let's say so, 229 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,559 I look of the names that are out there. I think of the most 230 00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,960 obvious names, like some of us might actually come up with some under the 231 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:03,080 radar ones that could make potentially more sense. But I've seen the word guard 232 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:07,000 thrown them around a lot in the subsequent reporting or analysis. I don't know 233 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:13,240 if that's like, if that's so much a need as it's we're reacting to 234 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,519 what the market looks like, and it's well like Demarto rows In, who's 235 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,240 kind of a forward now, but he's not a wing on defense, Like 236 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:22,440 that's not somebody who's a wing on defense. Yeah, And the other thing 237 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,759 I think we should mention before just we go through the names. Do you 238 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,720 think that it's more likely they don't actually make this move in season because they 239 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,200 want to see what their cap space can do. They're in line for like 240 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,840 sixty five plus million in cap space right now, they have the kJ Martin 241 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,399 hold that's super tiny. Everyone else is expiring, and so I could see 242 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,120 a scenario where it's they're kind of making the move on draft night when they 243 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,519 can also trade their twenty twenty four pick now with on your offer is four 244 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,799 first yep and a swap plus all this flexibility. Yeah, I know. 245 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,200 I think as I was trying to put together, like what is the best 246 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,759 path forward for the Sixers based on what they said they want. Unfortunately, 247 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:04,600 it feels like waiting is the best way to go, which is like, 248 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,000 that's a weird follow up tack to take when you just traded a guy on 249 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,039 Halloween, right, Like, they clearly there versions here they could I guess 250 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,399 you could have waited. You could have let the hardened thing linger. I 251 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,399 know that would have continue to be really awkward. And maybe this was Embiid 252 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:25,120 or you know, someone else within the organization saying like we just have to 253 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:29,600 turn the page to some extent. But you're totally right. If you wait 254 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:33,519 till draft night, I think the chances of getting someone that really moves the 255 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,000 needle increase significantly. I think, I guess, like I would be surprised 256 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,600 if they got anything done before the trade deadline. So either way, who's 257 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,639 looking to trade right now? I guess Chicago and Toronto are kind of circling 258 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:52,159 the drain. Here's totally the thing that I bump on other than Levine. 259 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:55,080 That's why Levine keeps coming back because I was looking because there's another route that 260 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,559 the Sixers can go, and that is the one they've kind of talked about. 261 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,639 Is just we're playing the cap space game. We're gonna get into free 262 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,559 agency this summer, and like half the guys or more that I was targeting 263 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,799 as potential trade possibilities are guys that are gonna their deals are gonna expire. 264 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,759 That's Siakam, that's Anonobi, that's I don't know, like you want Klay 265 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:15,440 Thompson, if you want to get real nuts, like there's all these guys 266 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,200 that are just gonna hit free agency. That does it make sense to give 267 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,240 up a bunch of assets that you just got when you could wait and sign 268 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,559 these guys or kind of double do both if you wait long enough until draft 269 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,480 night. So the cap space thing, uh, that would be like the 270 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,880 ultimate weighted out move. But I just feel like the way that the Sixers 271 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,240 have conductive business to this point, like you know, they didn't operate hastily. 272 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,119 But again, it's not November yet as we're recording this, and they 273 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,880 made a trade, so like there's something pushing them to move. I just 274 00:17:49,279 --> 00:17:52,960 I think they should wait. I just don't know how realistic that is. 275 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,440 And I think if they don't get really patient with this, then they risk 276 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,839 you know, they already took probably less than hard would have been worth. 277 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,720 Like in a vacuum if none of this other bullshit was happening, and then 278 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,039 if you hastily do something with the assets you got instead of waiting for a 279 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,200 better deal to materialize, maybe you're getting less than you otherwise could have. 280 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,759 Again, you know, your returns just keep diminishing if you don't, you 281 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:21,920 know, operate patiently. I just it's hard to imagine a lot of patients 282 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,480 right now based on how things have gone. I don't know, you know, 283 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,440 you know what I mean, Like there's this there's a push and pull 284 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,359 in terms of the timing of what comes next. Yeah, and for me, 285 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:33,759 I think I don't wait because I want to use cap space, even 286 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,240 though that can facilitate trades, just because when you look at the free agents 287 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,400 on the boarders you kind of alluded to already. First of all, three 288 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,680 of them are now on the clippers, and you've now presumably helped the clippers 289 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,759 keep two of them with Paul George and Kauiet there said we got to talk 290 00:18:45,799 --> 00:18:48,680 about that when we get to the slippers. So they're off the board and 291 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,960 then it's okay, siakam again, the fit with Joel and Beead is weird. 292 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:56,680 I don't know how you feel about, you know, playing for Nick 293 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,720 Nurse. Again, if Ognanobi's the guy, he's not, he can't be 294 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,079 the guy. Like, that's not the reason he can't be the reason you 295 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,799 wait, that's not a player who's good enough. Neither is right now, 296 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,640 Klay Thompson. So I would wait because you believe that the star trade market 297 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,960 is going to open up this summer from the current Zach Lavine or Siakam or 298 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,559 could it kind of be towns And we're not gonna want to see that with 299 00:19:19,599 --> 00:19:23,160 embiid anyway, because like those are the when we're looking at in the like 300 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:26,519 in the middle of the season. Are there any other you know, I 301 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:29,720 have some names where I'm like, well, that'd be really interesting in the 302 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,400 off season, but like right now, aside from the three I mentioned, 303 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,720 like, what are the other names that we could really realistically plausibly see becoming 304 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,839 available? Yeah? Well, so again, these are guys as your search 305 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,759 for guys under contract, and some of these will have limitations because they just 306 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,720 signed these deals. Like Kyle Kuzma, You're not gonna use all your assets 307 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,000 to get him, Jeremy Grant, h Lori Markinen. Is this package enough, 308 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,759 like could you get Lori Markinen for what Howie market in Philly would be 309 00:19:56,799 --> 00:19:59,440 pretty sweet? I mean it makes some sense. I just don't know. 310 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,279 If you saw you tell might just say no, thanks, like we we 311 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:04,519 can get like three premium first for him if we want or something. You 312 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:07,960 know, this will be an unpopular opinion, I assume among jazz fans. 313 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,799 I'm not saying they should. I'm not endorsing a Larry marketing trade. Danny 314 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,200 Ainge doesn't give a shit. Yea, he will. He will if if 315 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,599 I feel like if the Sixers offered the whole kit and kaboodle for Larry marketing, 316 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:25,599 so three first and a swap Larry marketing, Yeah, that's happening right 317 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:32,079 Maybe I'm I don't know, uh who else? Uh Bogdanovich from Detroit I 318 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:34,000 think is someone. But again, we're not talking like you're you're like thinking 319 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,880 that they might be like, well, we'll give you like one first and 320 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,799 so yeah, because I think I think again the patients thing, like maybe 321 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,960 you go get a piece now and then maybe on draft night when that twenty 322 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,680 four pick becomes available, you then have three, two or three depending on 323 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,240 what you give up to get somebody. Now, I just I'm trying to 324 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,920 be realistic about what this package can return and choosing teams that have veterans that 325 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,759 are either not interested in winning or would just put a higher value on, 326 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,640 you know, future assets and flexibility, like the expiring money. Used to 327 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,400 be a first round pick, and like fifteen million in expiring money would get 328 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,920 you something like really good or it might you know, fifteen million in expiring 329 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,480 money might just get you a first but the market is just different now. 330 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,440 So I just I'm trying to be And I didn't even give you some of 331 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,240 the other trade candidates that are going to be free agents, like we talked 332 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,839 about Siakamananobe, Buddy Healed, Gordon Hayward, Like we're digging deep, you 333 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,920 know for some of these names. So I'm curious if you have like more 334 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,319 blockbustery ones or I'm just trying to be. I went kind of the plausible 335 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:41,359 with what the Sixers have, they could maybe get this guy, not that 336 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,359 he'd be the put you over the top championship equity piece. So I think 337 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,039 Mihale Bridges is one, whether that's this season or the off season, and 338 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,440 it would throw I'll throw at you very quickly if that offers on the table 339 00:21:53,920 --> 00:22:00,519 if it's three first to swap and expirings, like, are there teams that 340 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,880 would cut? Like are the Knicks gonna come over the top and beat that? 341 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,480 Are the Pelicans gonna come over the top and beat that? Are the 342 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,920 thunder I mean mckel bridges on the thunder? My my god, this is 343 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,920 the thing. So mckil bridges I just didn't consider because I didn't think the 344 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,079 Nets would trade him for what the Sixers are offering. And I maybe was 345 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:23,519 maybe that was a mistake because I was limiting it some more like let's look 346 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:26,119 at Portland, Let's look at Detroit, let's look at Washington. Look at 347 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,400 these teams that just like, please give us all your firsts. We're starting 348 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:36,160 over. The Nets aren't quite The Nets aren't that type of team, But 349 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,799 there's Bridges would be if you just could pick someone, I think Bridges would 350 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:45,440 be like the guy potentially you know that they that the Sixers should target. 351 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,880 Didn't wasn't there reporting that Brooklyn wouldn't give up Bridges for four firsts? But 352 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,000 like, again, let's see what the first are? Sure it were the 353 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:57,720 Knicks dangling fake first in that deal? Or was it Memphis for protecting the 354 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:03,039 hell again, I'm trying like you're in the you're in the realm of you 355 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,039 have to make the biggest wing possible because we're gonna have talk about the Joel 356 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:10,160 Embiad element of this very shortly. So that was the name I thought of 357 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,599 if you were waiting until the offseason. I don't know how realistic it is. 358 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,000 I think it's realistic. They could look to move him. I don't 359 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,240 know if they would look to move him in conference. But Jalen Brown, 360 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,000 oh wow, Like if the if the Celtics, if they fall short this 361 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,440 year and they're just gonna get out in front of the salary crunch because they 362 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,640 paid Chris Tops, they gotta pay Drew, who's a free agent the Sixers 363 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,920 could target, by the way, if they wanted to. Like, that's 364 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,880 a name that I don't again, I don't know if you even said it. 365 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,519 I don't know if that would put them over the top. Embad and 366 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,160 Brown and the st and Tyres Maax. That's the hell of a team, 367 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Like that's your you're one three five, Like that's how you spread out your 368 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,359 star power. One three five. But I don't know if the Celtics there 369 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,319 have to be a third team involved there, or maybe they want to pick 370 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,319 equity at that point to make their own kind of move. But again, 371 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,000 I wouldn't predict it, but I'm wondering if that's a name that they could 372 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,440 just be, Hey, we're we're monitoring this situation because that's what that's why 373 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,319 we're making this now, to have that type of AMMO for Again, it 374 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,759 can't happen this season, right, yeah, And I think you know, 375 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,480 the Celtics are not going to take any calls on Brown until they see what 376 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:19,759 this you know, roster can do this year. Let me ask you, 377 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:25,279 do you think we may have talked about this you it would cost you. 378 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,759 It would cost the Sixers more to get Bridges at his number than it would 379 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,200 cost to get Brown at his right. Like Bridges is just a like if 380 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,640 I'm the Sixers and I have the choice of Brown or Bridges like considered you 381 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,519 know on those contracts, I think I'm just taking Bridges. Yeah, because 382 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:48,039 McHale has including this season, I think he has like three total seasons left 383 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,480 on his deal, and they're all I believe they're all team control, Like 384 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,480 he didn't have a player option. I'm double check that. So his contract 385 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,559 runs through Wow, so it's three I don't know, it's this season and 386 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:03,240 then two more seasons under team control after that. He's projected to be making 387 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:07,240 less than sixteen percent of the salary cap in the final year of that team. 388 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Such a choice contract, and he fits any like I think he just 389 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,960 would be exactly what you would want if you're drawing up the player to add, 390 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,319 totally comfortable being the third option, great perimeter to like, he just 391 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,359 fits what the Sixers should be targeting. Like, you know, I hope 392 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,480 they're not so hung up on the idea of, like, let's get a 393 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,319 guy that can average twenty five and you know, hit eight threes a night 394 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,880 or whatever that Like, I think I might rather have Bridges than Levine if 395 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,920 we're gonna get all the way down to it, especially with the money aspect 396 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,359 of it, right, Like, So that's why I think. I think 397 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,359 if you're the Nets, a lot of teams think like the Sixers do and 398 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,319 are saying to themselves, man, bridges would just be perfect, and so 399 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,119 your floor needs to be four firsts. I think if you're the Nets, 400 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,319 because the bidding war for that type of player could just get out of control, 401 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:56,039 especially with free agency offering like so little this coming summer. If you're 402 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,519 like, you're not gonna do a lot better than nobody is gonna sign someone 403 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:03,039 that is as good as Bridges, that makes less than Bridges in free agency. 404 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,680 So like, he's the guy, he's the prize. So I if 405 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,839 the Sixers could get him, they should trade everything they can. But I 406 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,680 just I don't think it's going to happen. Other names I thought of, 407 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,039 and again I'm looking, this is assuming the Sixers weight and I'm not saying 408 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:21,640 these players will request out the Donovan Mitchell Cleveland stuff. He stars get wandering 409 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,400 oys after this year said they fall short. Yeah, I don't know that 410 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240 I would want a mortgage or give up all my assets to then create a 411 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:32,160 Maxi Mitchell backcourt. But that would I mean on offense, that's going to 412 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:41,480 be thermonuclear af brandon Ingram. I mean as a third option. I don't 413 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,480 hate it. That's not you know, that's that's with the Pelicans though, 414 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,000 Like if the Pelicans are relatively healthy and they're I'm just like, I don't 415 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,359 I don't mean to just poke holes. I'm trying to just have the discussion 416 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,240 about it. That's the whole point. Yeah, I wonder if New Orleans, 417 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,400 if things are going relatively well and they are healthy enough, if they're 418 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:00,559 like, nope, we're just going to see what we can do for this 419 00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:06,039 full season and then readdress. I don't know, but like three firsts that 420 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,440 should be enough for Brandon ingram should. I would think if this season goes 421 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:14,119 to hell for some reason and that the Pelicans have been they've been pretty good 422 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,000 so far, a shocker. I think they have the best transition defense in 423 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,039 the NBA. Like that's life, death taxes and the Pelicans like being really 424 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,720 good transition defense under Willie Green. Yeah, in addition to other stuff. 425 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,880 And they've been running some good space your lineups, giving herb Joes some ball 426 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,920 handling responsibilities. But just if this season goes awry again because of injuries and 427 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,559 Brandan Inghamer has been a part of that. Yeah, He's just a name 428 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,160 that I would circles like, well this summer, I could see him becoming 429 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,880 available. This is gal You ready to Galaxy brain this a little bit? 430 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:48,119 Yes, Damian Lillard, Milwaukee doesn't pan out, he asked her out again? 431 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:55,160 Or Galaxy brains in time too? Damian Lillard asked her out. Does 432 00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,559 Philly try to enter the Yiannis sweepstakes at and yes, three for tround picks 433 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,480 in a swap isn't enough to get yannest, But are they gonna take into 434 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:08,279 account where Yiannis would want to go? That seems incredibly unlikely. But this 435 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,759 is just when I'm thinking about the opportunities that are before the Sixers right now. 436 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,680 If it's not zach Lavine, and unless they really think like they want 437 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,200 Shrey Young next to Tyres Maxie, which they should not, No, I 438 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,359 feel like they're trying to bide their time and wait for someone's seismic. That's 439 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:36,200 always the sort of underdiscussed because we rushed, We rushed through all this stuff, 440 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:37,240 right, It's like we're doing a podcast, like, you know, 441 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,359 hours after the deal happens, trying to figure out what the next steps are, 442 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,240 and the reality is, like, you know, two months from now, 443 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,759 there's gonna be a half dozen new you know, all stars that we're 444 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,440 talking about as the next most likely players to be traded, and we probably 445 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,160 haven't said almost any of their names yet. So like if you just kind 446 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,920 of wait again, the whole push pull of the patient's thing for the Sixers 447 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480 there will be other options that we have not discussed, that nobody has thought 448 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,079 of yet really probably because that's just always how it works, right, It's 449 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,799 just you're going to get a new just this new rolls over. There's just 450 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,880 you know towns again. I'm sure you know, name the name, the 451 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,640 name the Timberwolves players that you know will get thrown into this as they try 452 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,519 to manage their books eventually, and you know, there's just going to be 453 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:26,960 there will be I'll say this, I will bet you that by the trade 454 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,960 deadline, because right now, Zach Lavine, I think we're sort of I 455 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,559 don't want to put words in your mouth, but that's the most sensible, 456 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,359 Like, that's the main that makes the realistic options. By the trade deadline, 457 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,240 there will be three or four guys that make more sense than Zach Lavine. 458 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,519 I would assume, just because that's teams. You know, some team 459 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:45,759 that thought it was going to be good will be bad and they'll be out 460 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,880 of the race and they'll be looking to pivot, and that's just what's going 461 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,319 to happen. So I mean that that's bad podcasting because we're just throwing like 462 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,359 hypothetical, you know, not unnamed players out there, but it's just another 463 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960 argument in favor of this, just kind of trying to slow play this. 464 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:06,319 But then there's the MBT element, like how much long? How far does 465 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,440 his patients extend? You know, he said all the right things and has 466 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,200 continue to do that. But let me put it to you because I keep 467 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640 dancing around it, like do you think a deal gets done with these assets? 468 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,240 Like put it like rank the order of likelihood, you know, Draft 469 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:23,839 night, twenty four, trade deadline or before trade deadline, something gets done 470 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:32,200 with these assets. I think. So I'm gonna say I think Draft night 471 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,400 or later is more likely than before the trade deadline, just because I could 472 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,519 see a scenario where Darryl Morey and the Sixers aren't gonna want to give up 473 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,640 their best offer to get Zachlovine, and if it's a matter of getting Pascal 474 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,160 Siakam, they might just say it seems like he really wants to become a 475 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,440 free agent because he's told every single team that he's not signing an extension with 476 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:56,519 them, so we'll just go out and sign them in free agency. Right, 477 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,200 So I think that's probably more likely. And you mentioned this would be 478 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,079 a good segue into the embid stuff. But like you have to factor in 479 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,000 what's his patients like, and so his current contract has after this season just 480 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,759 one year, oh excuse me, two years left and then he has the 481 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:18,000 player option in twenty six, twenty sevens Like, they don't have to acquiesce 482 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,640 to a trade demand this summer, although that is kind of when pre agency 483 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,480 would start. Morey's kind of a risk taker though, and I imagine he's 484 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:29,400 communicating with HIMBIID. That's why I kind of feel like they would wait. 485 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:34,440 But before we talk about how long a bead should wait, what is like 486 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,519 when you're mentioning names like Siakam, we've mentioned Towns, Let's say Zion becomes 487 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,160 available over there, Like, are you willing to put another kind of big 488 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:47,480 next to him? And over those three names? Is they're like the easiest 489 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,759 fit of the Zion would be the most interesting one if the Pelicans decide to 490 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,039 go a draft night route again. But I don't like even that name. 491 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:56,839 I think you have enough to get Siakam, you have enough to get Towns. 492 00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,799 I don't think you have enough to get Zoo first round picks and a 493 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,400 swap just isn't like that's without a blue chip prospect in there just isn't. 494 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,200 Yeah, No, I think it's it's almost weird that we're like having a 495 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,359 hard time building around Embiid and Maxi, which like shouldn't be the case. 496 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:16,000 It doesn't feel like, but I guess to me, like all the names 497 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:21,359 you mentioned, you talked about how Sacam you know, is not the greatest 498 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,400 fit with Embiid because of where they like to operate from. Zion would just 499 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,680 be I don't know how you would manage. You have to put the ball 500 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,319 in Zion's hands, like that's something we've learned, and I don't know that 501 00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,559 that's a great idea with the other two guys you have. Who's the third 502 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,720 guy you mentioned outside of Sacam and Zion Lawns, Yeah, that's another weird 503 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:44,119 fit. Like I just don't know, So I just keep circling back to 504 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,240 a fragmantlet be available in December. Do you want to put him with Maxi 505 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,000 too? That's the thing. You got a small guard and an MVP center. 506 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,400 Both of them should have the ball all the time. So in between 507 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,359 those two you just need three Michael Bridges and then we're good. That's it. 508 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920 That's that's all. Just figure out figure that out. Uh, yeah, 509 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,960 no, I I just uh, it shouldn't be this hard to figure 510 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,599 out the fit. I think maybe the problem is, like I'm framing it 511 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,759 through what Darryl Morey has said is like we want a guy, you know, 512 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,039 that we think is a star, and maybe like the reality is you 513 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:25,839 do just need you know, two or three guys that can start in between 514 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,240 your your cornerstones, and like, funnily enough, that could have been like 515 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,319 I don't know, five years ago, Covington, Batoom and Marcus Morris that 516 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,359 would have made like a ton But we're just a little late in the game 517 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,160 now. But I'm the more we talk through this, the more I'm just 518 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,039 convinced that, like, of the options right now, there's not one guy 519 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,599 that is just a no brainer. I think it's I think he might just 520 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,279 break these assets up. I think I think Lavine's closed, but he's close. 521 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,200 I I The thing neither of us have mentioned too is just even if 522 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,519 Joelbe's not willing to wait, and there's real real risk in treating this as 523 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:07,359 a quasi gap year in the sense that the Sixers might still be really good. 524 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,920 Yeah, as constructed, they're not winning a title, and so you 525 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,559 are punting on a year of Joel Embid's career. But if you go out 526 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:22,800 and make the trade over the off season, that neutralizes any imminent trade demand 527 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,000 from him, And so we can sit here and say we need to make 528 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:29,519 a trade this season. Otherwise Joel Ebie will last route. Yeah, if 529 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,159 you sit through the off season and don't do anything, But if you get 530 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:36,199 to the off season and you make the splashy move you keep MAXI, which 531 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,920 you will, then that that threat is neutralized, which I think would be 532 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,480 another vote in favor of waiting. But you mentioned this before a few minutes 533 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,840 ago. There's going there might be a name or two or three that are 534 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,519 just floating around at the trade deadline. That makes sense that we're just not 535 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,800 even mentioning yet. I can't. We've run the gamut of just so long 536 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,199 shot candidate that I would imagine that may not happen, But we honestly like, 537 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,119 we don't know. Yeah, isn't it wild that the more we talk 538 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,079 through this, the more the the gap year idea becomes like pretty plausible. 539 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,840 And that from the outset of the hard and stuff always seemed like a terrifying, 540 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,159 like the worst possibility because it's embiads in his prime. You don't know, 541 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:22,079 you know how many more fully healthy well, you don't know if he's 542 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,360 gonna have a fully healthy season ever. Are you really gonna just you know, 543 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,320 you're not punting, You're still gonna play the games, but it is 544 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,599 punting in a sense if you're not really a championship threat, which is what 545 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:37,119 you probably need to be with an MVP in the middle of his best seasons. 546 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,119 Like, the more we talk through it, it just wait, like, 547 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,639 so here's the thing if you do this gap year because it is like 548 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,000 the prudent choice and you're gonna wait for the best options to arise, you 549 00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:53,239 know, months from now. How much does Joel embiids trust in Darryl Morey 550 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:59,199 to get the next thing right? Like Erode because you've you know, this 551 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,519 hardened thing was catastrophe. I guess you know you come out of it okay 552 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,920 with what they got from the Clippers. But now Maury, in addition to 553 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,199 bringing on Harden, who is his guy who you know, surprise surprise, 554 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,880 like want it out because that's what happens. That's kind of on Maury because 555 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,400 you should know if anyone should know what you're getting into with bringing Harden into 556 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,960 the fold. That's Daryl Morey, and now Joel Embiid sees that he sees 557 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,599 the trade, and now he's being asked to like, just you know, 558 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,079 we're not going to contend this year. Sorry, I mean, you're not 559 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,639 gonna phrase it to him that way. And then he's like, Okay, 560 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,199 now that you've swung this mega deal in twenty I'm gonna I trust that you'll 561 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,320 get it right in twenty twenty four. On Draft night like that, he's 562 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,199 got to at least internally be thinking, I just I don't know. That's 563 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,239 it's almost like three strikes at this point, Like there's there's just too much 564 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,880 that's gone on for him to totally, you know, buy in. But 565 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,559 maybe maybe he has I don't know. Yeah, that's a great point too. 566 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,199 I also just think what is the deal for them to go out and 567 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,079 make right now? Though, And it really just comes down to, look, 568 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,000 teams aren't looking to really make trades right now for the most part. 569 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,800 We mentioned Toronto and Chicago feel like they are on the verge of reaching that, 570 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,559 but I mean Toronto's on the verge of reaching that point for like how 571 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,400 many years now, But everyone else they're trying to see what they have. 572 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,920 And so if you're the Sixers, even if you insist me to make a 573 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,159 move this season, there's real value in just waiting until the trade deadline or 574 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:29,039 closer to it to see what else materializes other than the Siakam and zach Lavine 575 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,119 scenarios. That that, and I'm just not sold on Ananobe as a target 576 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,840 because he seems like he does not like Nick Nurse at all. Yeah. 577 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,840 Right, And again, as is the case with all these guys that are 578 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,679 on expirings, like maybe you just sign that guy, like, you know, 579 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,039 if you maybe you just you don't have to you don't have to give 580 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,280 anything up because you've got limited assets as it is. You basically every almost 581 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,280 everyone you have just showed up, you know, in the last twenty four 582 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,199 hours. So maybe you should see if your money goes a little ways before 583 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:59,239 you before your trade stuff. Clippers. Yeah, we should probably hit the 584 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,000 Clippers side. My big questions in order, and you already hit on this 585 00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,599 one was are we getting extensions for Kawhi and Paul George now? Which is 586 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,519 like, I guess it, you know, you I've seen that reported that 587 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:16,920 that's suddenly likely. I just like, are we sure? Because like, 588 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:24,000 I guess what's the alternative. The alternative is you just have your three highest 589 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,519 paid players hit free agency and we the same time, which is like depending 590 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:32,079 on how this season goes. I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's 591 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,079 that's not palatable. Everybody keeps tying, Okay, this is a tangent because 592 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,599 it's too early on the Clippers side for a tangent, do you put an 593 00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:43,840 If so, how much stock do you put in the hole? The Clippers 594 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,760 are going to open a new arena, and Steve Balmer really wants to have 595 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,000 stars there to open this new arena because you see that all the time. 596 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,320 I think I've made that argument because it's like been accepted into my brain. 597 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,800 But is that like, is that really a reason? Does that tip the 598 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,480 scales for you? Well, for for Kawhi and PG, Yeah, yeah, 599 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,320 it's they. Yeah, I'd be floored if one of them was not 600 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:13,000 there. Unless James Harden comes, the whole situation deteriorates. He's the only 601 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:19,679 one that's willing to stay at that weird I just yeah, it's I would 602 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,119 be like, there, you want to open a new arena because you're in 603 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,039 and I'm not trying to disrespect the Clipper. You're in a Lakers town. 604 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,320 It's like you need to have a good team to open that arena. I 605 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,400 think that's part of the appeal with the James Harden stuff. I didn't see 606 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,239 a joke on Twitter that actually might be accurate, is that they just saw 607 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,920 how bad things were going in Toronto and Chicago. The Clippers did, and 608 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,719 they decided, well before one of them does the dumb thing and trades for 609 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400 James Harden themselves, like we need to go in here and get James. 610 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,239 Let's get out ahead of this and do the dumb thing ourselves. Nothing we've 611 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,000 seen right now from the Clippers so early that would say, oh, like 612 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,760 they need to go get James Harden right away. It's the same logic as 613 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,079 there was before. And that's Look, that's the more compelling conversation to me, 614 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:06,880 is I guess there's two elements to this, and the second the second 615 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,199 part of it's going to be predicated on the first part, because we want 616 00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,599 to know, well, are they going to be the team that even gives 617 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,599 James Harden a big money deal? Like what if they try and play hardball? 618 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,719 Well, you know what's going to inform that decision. How does this 619 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,559 all fucking work on the court? And I will say we trolled James Harden 620 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:27,360 a lot, but he is still a fantastic basketball player. By just the 621 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480 catch all metrics, last year he should have been All NBA. He led 622 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,159 the league and assists. This is someone who is still one of the best 623 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,400 passers in the game, even when the step back isn't falling, even when 624 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,039 he can't get to the rim as much like he is going to create looks 625 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:44,280 for his teammates, he's going to make defenses react. I think he's also 626 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,559 not received enough credit for what he can do off the ball. He has 627 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,800 shot high clips on small volume, but high clips as a spot up three 628 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,400 point shooter. And I know some people are like kind of like, it's 629 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,800 thirty seven percent? Really that hot? On catch and shoots. His percentages 630 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,239 have kind of run the spectrum of like good to great then wherever you land. 631 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,199 And look, if he was shooting thirty seven percent on catching shoot threes, 632 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,800 that's good enough for me. It doesn't need to be higher than that, 633 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,079 but what do you And look, the Clippers need his playmaking. That's 634 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:20,519 just I know, Bones Highland has had some good moments as their backup point 635 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,679 guard. But there's just something about what we're starting Russ and then Bones Highlands 636 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:28,159 our first line of point guard defense. After that, it's just it's uncomfortable. 637 00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,400 And now it just that issue doesn't exist anymore, So there's real merit 638 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,280 to making this deal. Aside from well KWin PG are always hurt in the 639 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,559 playoffs. They're never playing together. So now we have that third star to 640 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:44,239 throw in there to one either just booy our chances with everybody healthy or to 641 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,320 offset any potential absences. But there are a lot of concerns beyond that, 642 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:54,239 and I think, you know, I'll start with my biggest one is what 643 00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:00,159 does this look like with Russ and harden to where I'm sure they can coexist 644 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:06,480 behind the scenes. Is their third try at it. But defensively, Russ 645 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,039 can still do a lot of stuff where he wants to lock in on ball, 646 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,079 but like, these are just two guys off the ball who could get 647 00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,639 torched, who could get targeted. And now you're like, okay, you 648 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,320 still have two of the premier wings in the game. But this is a 649 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,679 team that used to feel like it had all the wings and now it doesn't 650 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,079 really have, Yeah, all the wings you still have Terrence man kawhi MPG. 651 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,760 I'm just like, what are your some of your biggest concerns about or 652 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,480 questions I should say, not even concerns about this fit. So you hit 653 00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:37,199 on a lot of them. But the Hard and Russ thing gets me to 654 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,920 I think, what ultimately is my biggest question? And this came up for 655 00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:46,559 me as sort of the best argument against the Russell Westbrook to the Lakers deal 656 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,239 a couple of years ago, which was, Hey, look, he's going 657 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,280 to raise the floor, he's gonna eat innings and so Lebron and Ad can 658 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,079 have, you know, cushier roles and we'll keep them healthy. And like, 659 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,920 I think a lot of that same logic applies to adding Hard into the 660 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,639 Clippers. He will get those guys easier shots. In theory, like if 661 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,039 you just have him and nobody else on any given night in December or January, 662 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,000 he might just win you that game which you otherwise would not have won. 663 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,159 So and I think that was that's more true of Harden, that that 664 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:22,599 sort of theory of what he can do than it was of Westbrook a couple 665 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:24,480 of years ago at the time, because he just wasn't the same guy and 666 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:29,159 wasn't as good of a floor razer as I think Harden can be. The 667 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,639 issue though, in both cases, is so this is a team that is 668 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,920 beyond all in, right, both in terms of like their financial commitments, 669 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,280 their lack of outs, the inability to like remake this roster by trading you 670 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,480 know, picks or whatever, like all that stuff is just done. They 671 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,679 could still trade it twenty thirty first, Okay, they really want to go 672 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,920 all in? Yeah, they still have one more bullets to fire. The 673 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,119 issue is, we're so if you are that all in, you are trying 674 00:43:55,159 --> 00:44:00,320 to win a championship right like, and maybe success will still be I'll still 675 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,000 be viewed as success if you make the finals or you make the Western Conference 676 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,679 finals and play a competitive series. The issue is you're gonna try to win 677 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,159 those games with Westbrook and Harden on the floor together. That seems hard And 678 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,880 if not, then what are we doing? Because Westbrook and Harden may clash 679 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,679 and so maybe one of them Westbrook almost certainly will be marginalized and you know, 680 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,079 not closing or not starting or not playing the minutes that matter because him 681 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:29,239 and Harden together just that's you got too many holes defensively, you know, 682 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,599 Westbrook as an off ball threat is a zero. So like, well, 683 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,079 I'm just I just think if the big picture is to win a title, 684 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,360 I don't know. If this, I think you're gonna run into the same 685 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,880 playoff questions that you maybe existed already, and certainly Harden brings his own suite 686 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,519 of playoff questions right because of his history. I just I think there's this 687 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,880 should make the Clippers a better regular season team. I think the Clippers probably 688 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,599 shouldn't care about the regular season and like maybe everything breaks right and the playoffs, 689 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,719 you know, hardness facilitating like crazy and George and Choir a great I 690 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,719 just it's such an all in move and I'm I guess I have quote. 691 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:13,559 If you're asking me what my biggest question is, it's does this matter as 692 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,079 it relates to the lofty goal that the Clippers have of like making good on 693 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:22,840 this core, I would say it does. I don't know how much, 694 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,159 but I do think it's a bump because there are a couple of things. 695 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,199 One to Russ is credit, like he's averaging under nine shot attempts per game 696 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,440 right now in thirty plus minutes, almost half of his made buckets have come 697 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,320 off of sists this year, and so the Clippers can still generate the spacing 698 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,920 necessary to where like if you want to use him as a slasher, you 699 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,760 want to just give him the ball, get him like running in transition. 700 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,719 He can facilitate the offense that way. So I think there's more. I 701 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,679 don't think he's a complete zero off the ball. I think now when you 702 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,400 add Harden into the equation, there's like that collision of styles and pensions for 703 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,880 wanting to be on the ball in general, Is Harden willing to adjust to 704 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,559 the to the degree that Russ has adjusted in LA and how are those concessions 705 00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:14,000 being made? Striking that balance will be difficult. I think at this point 706 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,159 though, this is where I'm at, is if there's overlap or if it's 707 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:22,000 not working, it doesn't really matter because then you just put rush on, 708 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,599 put Russ on the bench where you get rid of Russ, and like you 709 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,719 just can't make this trade with Russ in mind, it wouldn't shot. I 710 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,039 mean, I would expect this is one of the other questions is like what 711 00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,599 is their closing lineup going to be? I would be their most use closing 712 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,920 lineup in the highest leverage moments. And if we're gonna say this is the 713 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,840 core they have in the playoffs, I'd be fairly surprised if Russ is guaranteed 714 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,239 a spot like you have hardened Kawhi and PG they're closing. I think you 715 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,920 have to put Zubots in there because you're not really I know you have PJ 716 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:59,239 Tucker now, but he is just he is so I don't even know what 717 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,280 the word is. I don't want to and you cooked, but just like 718 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,519 he's just not You talk about a zero on offense, Yeah, like that 719 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,440 aside from like gonna maybe help you on the offensive glass a little bit, 720 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:09,360 he's not gonna do much. So you can't really downsize. I feel like 721 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,480 Terrence Man almost needs to be like the the fifth lock there in closing units. 722 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,480 And so do you have you know, we've seen Tylu kind of fall 723 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,000 in love with Marcus Moore Senior a little bit too much last year. Does 724 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,559 the same happen now where it's like, well, no, we have to 725 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,920 play all four of these guys to close with them, and that's gonna ruin 726 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,960 some of their optionality and lineup versatility. Uh, I don't you know? 727 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,880 I don't know what's gonna happen. I think it's I think there's a pathway 728 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,679 to where this works out incredibly well. But I find myself almost worried more 729 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,760 about Hardened fitting in than Russ fitting in because the stakes are just so much 730 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,320 lower with Russ. Yeah, the heart, So I guess I want to 731 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,719 I want to be clear that like I think we I'm getting, you know, 732 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,800 looking at the macro stuff and trying to see what how is this gonna 733 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,000 work in? May you know, uh, just having James Harden and PJ. 734 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,840 Tucker is just better than having Robert Covington, Morris Patoom and I can't 735 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,679 remember who else was in the trade, Like, yeah, the talent upgrade 736 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,159 is like no question, Like on paper, suddenly you've got a like one 737 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,480 of the best facilitators in the league playing alongside two way wings that while they 738 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:24,960 can do that, you know, be first options themselves, I think like 739 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,039 it's probably better for everybody if at least some of the time they're just feeding 740 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:35,039 off of setups from a like generationally great and prolific assist guy. Right, 741 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,679 Like that's that's a good thing. Like that's all good. But I think 742 00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:42,519 you're right that like the odd man out here almost has to be Westbrook because 743 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,320 I think most of the good stuff that Westbrook gives you man can give you, 744 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,719 and he can give you some other things too. And if you're looking 745 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,039 at like, well, we're gonna need to punch up the scoring, like 746 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,960 Norm Powell could close, and if you need to be bigger, Zoobots can 747 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,840 close, and if you need just go five out, Tucker can close. 748 00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:02,000 And so like in terms of the role that Westbrook would actually play alongside those 749 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,480 other three stars, I think you could probably you know, on balance, 750 00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,800 get more from several other guys, just depending on what the need is, 751 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,000 given the night or given the series and the opponent that you're gonna try to, 752 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,239 you know, win four out of seven against. So I guess like 753 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,480 that circles all the way back for me to you know, the on paper 754 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,800 stuff. Sure, this all makes sense, Like what are the dynamics gonna 755 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,559 be like? Interpersonally? Because you said it, this is the third time 756 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,480 Russ and Harden are teaming up. And Russ kinda was like a little bit 757 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,960 of a pariah with the Lakers, and that was an ugly thing and he 758 00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:37,760 you know, kind of found a home and now this guy here comes Harden, 759 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,039 and now everything's gonna change for him in terms of his role and you 760 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:44,400 know the fit and and you've got you know, just I don't know, 761 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,039 like how how let me ask you this because I'm kind of rambling. Do 762 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,320 you think we get like early Brooklyn Harden, who is just like I'm out 763 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,039 here to pass, Like I'm just I want to set up these other two 764 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,000 guys? Or is it gonna be it's the end of the game and I'm 765 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,400 hunting my step back to try to win it. You know, No, 766 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:06,000 I think he's gonna Look. He understands the stakes for himself, which is, 767 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,599 you want to get paid one more time because you couldn't get paid this 768 00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:14,119 offseason and there wasn't really it seemed like a trade market for you outside of 769 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,639 the Clippers. He played a hand in that, of course, but this 770 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,920 summer had to be as much as he was annoyed, as much as he 771 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,920 feels like he was, he was the victim, and I who knows, 772 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,039 maybe he was. I still think, don't opt in it if you want 773 00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:32,039 to right anyway, he has to understand that, like if his path to 774 00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:37,079 getting the money that he wants and setting himself up because he passed on an 775 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,119 extension in Brooklyn, and he passes on the chance for a longer term pay 776 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:44,360 day with Philly, who I imagine was at least ready to give him some 777 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,519 sort of multi year guarantee that you have to fit in, And so I 778 00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,960 would expect more Brooklyn Harden, someone who's really searching to try and find the 779 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:57,840 right balance. I just he helps this team in so many ways. But 780 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,119 I'm just wondering. You know, they're twenty fourth in average offensive possession time 781 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,639 right now. He's not gonna speed them up. They are actually and I 782 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,719 was kind of surprised to see this. I thought I was reading it wrong. 783 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:13,559 They're fourth in transition frequency. Wow, I think they're just they're running 784 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,920 a lot more off of live rebounds. That's probably stuff that he could do. 785 00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:22,800 But if you're gonna like there's a chance that he slows them down even 786 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,960 further, and I think that's more of the concern, where, Okay, 787 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,039 if James Harden's gonna slow things down, it'll still work. You have some 788 00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,079 of the best methodical players in the league on your team right now, between 789 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:36,280 him, Kawhi and even Paul George. But like, that's another kind of 790 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,480 stylistic like not not clash, but like just an overlap of well, is 791 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:44,480 this gonna pull them further away from they weren't really that athletic and quick to 792 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:49,800 begin with. Now they're even less athletic and slower. And you know, 793 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,440 I honestly don't know like what the answer ends up being. And that all 794 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:57,920 that also leads me into the question here is kind of the impact that I 795 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,719 think they will miss rocos esecially when you're gonna you know, juxtapose his departure 796 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,320 against having PJ. Tucker there to maybe take some of his minutes. Yeah, 797 00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:10,119 like what does this team need still? Because it's I can make a 798 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:14,880 case for they need kind of a different center option from the plumb Lee Zubot's 799 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,599 Tucker crew. I can make case that they need another wing. I make 800 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:22,159 a case that maybe you want like a different type of like guard than a 801 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,719 Russer a bones highland than you have there right now. I think that's probably 802 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,519 the lowest priority. But when you're looking at oh, can they go out 803 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,199 and get another wing or change up kind of you know, a combo forward 804 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,679 who can also a lot of time at the like the like you know, 805 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:42,440 the the prime version of PJ. Tucker like age him down ten years or 806 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,599 something. It feels like they need that player. And look, I made 807 00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:49,559 a joke before, like that twenty thirty pick is still on the table and 808 00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:52,880 you're you're already this all in. Yeah, this is a good bit, 809 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,679 by the way, for like a stat padding thing, like what team you 810 00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,559 could pick one team to reduce the ages of every player by five years. 811 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,880 It's got to be the Clippers, that's the first thing, because you get 812 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,400 five years ago PJ. Tucker and Russ and harden h That's the same with 813 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:14,239 the Sixers with Patuma Morris. But then what is maxing twelve max season eighth 814 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,639 grade? That's not no. I ironically, I think what they answer your 815 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,159 question, they do need another wing. Like that's because this was team Wing, 816 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,960 you know, Team Wing West with with I guess Toronto being Team Wing 817 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:29,519 North for a while. That was more combo for yeah, they need another 818 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,400 wing. I don't know where you I mean, you could play Powell and 819 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,280 be undersized, or you could have Tucker play more for Flash three I guess. 820 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,800 But yeah, that that's if you're gonna upgrade the roster further that that's 821 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,280 where it has to happen. Can I can I give you I don't have 822 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,880 a lot else to say, but can I give you, like my the 823 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,840 sort of clarifying take for me that helps me put this whole Clipper side of 824 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,679 it like in a box and like shove it off to the side for a 825 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,920 minute. Can I can we? Can I throw out some trade targets, 826 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,840 follow up trade targets for the Clippers before we get into that. Yes, 827 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,679 I think to keep an eye on like a door. If Smith or Royce, 828 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,679 Oneal and Brooklyn, they probably enough to get one of those guys. 829 00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,119 Now, this would be complicated because the salary matching rules. But since they 830 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:10,480 have you know, you wait the appropriate amount of time with Tucker, and 831 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:15,599 you have Norman Powell, they could in fury. I don't I love when 832 00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,599 you're laughing before you say the name. I know it's good what it does 833 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,800 to just like their salary Outlook, they could be a Jeremy Grant team. 834 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,280 Oh my god, can you imagine? Uh? Yeah, no, he 835 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,679 would well is he a little? He's kind of more for yeah, he'd 836 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,639 be fine. He would be money though address it's more of like well, 837 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,679 but I think if you want James Harden defending power forwards, like you can 838 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,159 have Jeremy Grant defend some wings or maybe that like your downsized lineups. That's 839 00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:47,039 I mean, godspeed with the rebounding. But I know you want to give 840 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:51,519 more names, but you just so, now are you asking? You're asking 841 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,920 more by definition of George and Leonard defensively because they're gonna have to move around 842 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,480 and like check some quick guys some nights, they're gonna have to move up 843 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:05,000 the position spectrum something it becomes I think who's already on the roster becomes even 844 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,239 more important. And it seems like this happens with like each passing Clippers move 845 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:13,079 somehow is Terrence Man, Yeah, just becomes more critical than everything. You 846 00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,039 can't give up Terrence Man in a trade that no, no matter what that 847 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:21,079 they were correct, Yeah, they needed a guy who can guard five positions. 848 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,239 I guess, uh that was I guess that was kind of like it. 849 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,880 But like if we were thinking smaller scale like Delawn right, yeah, 850 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,519 it could probably help them, Like we can get the money to work they 851 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,880 are, which they could. I like all those yeah, I don't, 852 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,840 I mean, like they don't have enough to get into the the Mchael Bridges 853 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,320 business unfortunately does. We've established nobody does. But like that twenty thirty pick 854 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,079 is a real thing. If they put it on the table, I wouldn't 855 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:47,800 give that to be clear, I wouldn't give that up for de Lawn, 856 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,639 right, I wouldn't. I wouldn't give it up for Royce O'Neil either. 857 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:53,599 I guess you would have to give it up for Door, Like what else 858 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:58,280 are you giving up for Smith? But for that twenty thirty? Like, 859 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,920 so they have their twenty nine correct? Never mind, I'm sorry, I'm 860 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,800 looking at the sixers. I was getting confused. Yeah, so they have 861 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,559 to move that twenty thirty. That's all the Clippers can do. Can I 862 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,880 give you my like macro thought? That makes me not have to think about 863 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,840 this trade anymore from the clip, not have to like change my thoughts about 864 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:20,239 the Clippers. Yeah, which is that if you thought that LA's like success 865 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,840 or failure depended entirely on the health of Leonard and George and then being able 866 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:29,599 to hold up through a regular season and multiple playoff series, this should change. 867 00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:34,159 This trade changes nothing because if it always depended on those two guys being 868 00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:37,119 healthy and you did not think that they could do that based on the precedent 869 00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,079 of the last several years, which is kind of where I'm at and have 870 00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,719 been dismissive of this Clippers team, you know, from when we started doing 871 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:51,159 our over unders and whatevers. Then adding Hard into this doesn't change anything about 872 00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:55,079 this team's outlook because the only thing that matters still I guess this is just 873 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,679 more an indictment on like Hard and as an alpha, as like a guy 874 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,840 that you know hit he alone gives you a shot, like he's not that 875 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,440 guy. It's still just if Georgian Leonard aren't healthy, congratulations. You now 876 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,960 just go into another offseason disappointed and trying to figure out do we want James 877 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,840 Harden here? How much do we pay him to stay? And then you 878 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,280 got these like that's still what this is. That is still what this team 879 00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,320 is. It didn't change the fundamental truth about the Clippers that those two guys 880 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,920 both have to be totally healthy for an entire playoff run or nothing's happening. 881 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,400 Here here's my pushback, and just very quickly, the last two names I 882 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:37,159 wanted to throw out there, Oh yeah, DeAndre Hunter and twenty thirty And 883 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,679 if you were throwing bones in there, like does that get you in the 884 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,440 OG sweep Stace? Would you consider throwing Terrence Mann in for OG? Who 885 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,360 can he can play them five which Terrence Man cannot? I mean I would, 886 00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:52,239 Yeah, for sure, we all love Terrence Mann, But I think 887 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,119 OG, even if he's expiring, is like, there's your wing. There're 888 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:01,800 your wing problem solved only five And who can if you if Russ can't guard 889 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,880 somebody or Harden can't guard somebody, and Anobe can guard whoever it is. 890 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,119 Yeah, that's that was just and they could like end up with maybe like 891 00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:12,440 this whole was like an elaborate plan, like Reggie Bullock will get waved or 892 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,639 bought out again and then he'll like go back to the Clippers. So my 893 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,559 pushback to you would be and I kind of side with you that I think 894 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:23,679 this increases their ceiling, but not by the degree that a James Harden and 895 00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,960 a vacuum should. Yeah. At the same time, do you remember what 896 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:32,920 it felt like when the nets during the like the KD Kyrie James Harden aaronets 897 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,400 were actually the James Harden KD Kyrie aaronets like that where they felt inevitable. 898 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:47,719 Yeah, Paul George and Kawhi Leonard collectively are more plug and play than Kyrie 899 00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:51,760 and KD because that's more of a Kyrie thing. But the Kyrie's credit, 900 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,920 he's always played with ball dominant players. Now the clips like that is, 901 00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,360 though they're also more two way than KD and Kyrie. It's like, isn't 902 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,159 there a chance that if all these dudes are healthy, that that's what we 903 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,079 end up feeling or is it different because it's like, well, what, 904 00:59:09,039 --> 00:59:12,920 well, no, I think you know, I think we both touched on 905 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,199 it a little bit. Like on paper, this makes like a lot of 906 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:21,360 sense because you just sort of slot those three main guys into roles that really, 907 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,559 you know, I think ultimately like we need a basket. It's the 908 00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,599 fourth quarter of whatever playoff game, Like Kawhi is gonna get the ball and 909 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,079 he's gonna try to score on somebody probably like that's where I'm going if I 910 00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:35,840 need that bucket. But you're totally right like the fit in terms of like 911 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,840 who likes to do what or who's best utilized doing X, Y and Z, 912 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,760 like Harden on the ball, Kawhi and PG off of it. Generally, 913 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,519 like everybody's kind of playing to their strengths a little, you know, 914 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,679 much more than how do we figure out what to do with Durant and Irving 915 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,320 and hard and altogether the fit is like way cleaner, like like no argument 916 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,960 there on that. Before we get into kind of a segment where we're gonna 917 00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:00,679 we mentioned that you've had a great segue about well, how much does this 918 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,679 improve the Clippers contender stock. We're gonna go through and tier the contenders. 919 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,119 If you had to say one of these three players James Harden, Paul George 920 01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:15,519 or Kawhi aren't going to be with the Clippers next next year, which one 921 01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:21,000 are you picking? It feels like there's an obvious answer, is there, 922 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,280 Well, I thought you would grab, Well, it's just gonna be hardened 923 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,280 because he changed his mind all over again. Is not gonna get paid by 924 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,000 anybody but the Clippers, Paul George and Kawhi will get paid by anybody I 925 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,800 would have had. There'll be teams that don't have There'd be plenty of teams 926 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,840 that don't have cap space. Let's use the Knicks as an example. They 927 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,079 find out Kawhi or Paul George wants to be in New York next year, 928 01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:44,119 they will move Heaven and Earth to have the cap space to make it happen. 929 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,119 Yeah, aren't those two immediately at the top of the free agent list 930 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,880 if they if they opt out, Like, I don't have the class up 931 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,880 in front of me. But as I was looking at it from the Sixers 932 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,760 perspective, like, well, I mean Clippers have the top three free agents 933 01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:00,440 this summer. I don't want to overthink. I would still say Hardened just 934 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,400 because of the disaster potential and the last three teams that he's worked his way 935 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,840 off of, Like I'm just not gonna assume he'll be back. But your 936 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,159 point, you're dead right, Like, if you're a team and you can 937 01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:14,679 pick one to to try to go get, like hard in his third on 938 01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:16,639 that list, So that's I think it would be. I think it would 939 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:21,559 be PG just because Kawhi is like, like what if he's nudged down the 940 01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,760 pecking order a little too far and he didn't sign up to be the third 941 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,880 option, or like if they are playing with all four of those dudes and 942 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,400 Russ winds up having the ball more than him, that's just sort of and 943 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,719 he's not dealing with the degenerative knee issue like Kauhi is that would just be 944 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,519 the If I'm Paul George, I could probably look at a bunch of instance 945 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,719 Ride would be the number two, maybe the number one, Yeah, and 946 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,360 could just decide that would just be my pick. I think they'll all three 947 01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:47,679 will still be there. But when James Harden's involved, look maybe he greats 948 01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:51,199 on both of these dudes, and then Kwi is like I'm out of here. 949 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,639 Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Like you know, George and Leonard 950 01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:58,840 have been so it seems it has seemed like all the reporting is like these 951 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,559 guys want to be in l like that. That's why, you know, 952 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,400 as badly as these last few years have gone, I don't feel like we've 953 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,119 heard a whisper of either of them. You did hear some like maybe the 954 01:02:07,159 --> 01:02:09,880 Clippers will trade Paul George potentially, but that came and went pretty quickly. 955 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:15,079 Neither of them has ever agitated to go anywhere. So Yeah, I don't 956 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,239 know. I think, are we really gonna sign it? Like so say 957 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,800 they all resign, We're gonna do this for two or three more years, 958 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,360 those three guys together, that's gonna be a weird. Well, if we've 959 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,760 learned anything about James Harden windows post Houston. It's even in Houston because of 960 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,840 like the churn of running mates he had. It's not gonna be two or 961 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,840 three years. They'll get this season, maybe next season, and then unless 962 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,599 it ends with a title like there's just material changes mate. Yeah, yeah, 963 01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:44,920 right, no, yes, if Harden is involved, somebody's window is 964 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,719 is narrow. I made a joke while we were waiting for the details that 965 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:52,000 by the time the full James Harden trade details leak out, James Harden's gonna 966 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,840 have request another trade. Good joke, good bit. I like it. 967 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,960 All right, So let's let's go through this exercise, and I'll throw up. 968 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:04,559 I made a tier maker because we're hip and we're cool. But that 969 01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:09,360 let's tier some of these contenders. Can you see the screen Grant? Yep? 970 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:15,960 Cool. So let's start with Tier five is really we're not that would 971 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,280 just be where we put all the other teams. We won't discuss, but 972 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,320 that's Tier five is multiple years away from being multiple years away, so like 973 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,280 the Wizards. Tier four is one to two years away. Tier three is, 974 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,159 hey, it could maybe possibly potentially happen. Tier two is they could 975 01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:36,760 absolutely win it. And Tier one is the championship inner circle. I think 976 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,239 it's best to just work our way from tier one down. Sure, so 977 01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:45,719 we gotta go Denver, Boston, Milwaukee in that top tier, right? 978 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,320 Do you disagree with any of those three? Denver is definitely in there. 979 01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:52,639 I was clearly wrong about Boston. I just I was worried and I apparently 980 01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,880 should not have been. There's health is the only thing that's going to slow 981 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,639 them at this point. Who else did you mention? You mentioned Milwaukee? 982 01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:03,599 Their defense has been Yeah, I'm anyway, okay, if we stop with 983 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:08,400 Denver, Boston in that top tier just at the moment, like prisoner of 984 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,079 the moment stuff. All right, So you want to put them in here, 985 01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:12,800 they have to be in tier two that they got it. Yeah, 986 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,199 no lower than tier two because they could absolutely win it. Right? You 987 01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:17,639 mentioned a fourth team? No? Or was that it? I know that 988 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,880 was it. I think Golden State and Phoenix are in one or two. 989 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,559 I'd probably put both of them in two. We look, I we all 990 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,199 know how I feel about Devin Booker. I get compliments all the time from 991 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,440 Suns. It's always you ever Like, I know you're not on social media 992 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,760 as much, but they are just fan bases that are in love with me 993 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,840 or this podcast right now, and I always cherish it, but then I'm 994 01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,880 always just reluctant to like embrace it because there's gonna come a time where they 995 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,760 just they're so mad at us, and they probably stop listening because our views 996 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,760 don't align with Yeah, there their favorite team. They're with the Sons and 997 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,360 Booker is my point, But like we're already seeing what the Bradley beal back 998 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,639 stuff, Devin Booker is dealing with an injury, the fact that Katie's probably 999 01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,719 be the most durable of the three early on, So I think tier two 1000 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,239 is. I would have put them in Tier one until we just saw two 1001 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,880 of their three best players miss most of the game. Let's see all three 1002 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,079 of them play a game before we do that, because we haven't seen it 1003 01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:13,800 yet. Yeah, what do you want to do with what was the other 1004 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,559 team? Oh, Golden State? Golden State in Tier two? I think 1005 01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,400 they I mean they've just won two road games in a row. Dan, 1006 01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:23,920 I don't know if that's ever happened before, at least last year. Well, 1007 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,360 I was going to say, do you know what they're like? Plus 1008 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,800 minus is without Steph Curry on the floor. Oh, it's off the charts, 1009 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,000 like everything's upside down right now. All the starters are terrible and have 1010 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,599 massive negatives. It's like plus forty something without Steph. Maybe am I in 1011 01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,559 the neighborhood there? I don't. I was asking you, Yeah, you 1012 01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:45,400 know it's I saw a chart this morning and it's just like every start you 1013 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,840 know, this is the best starting five in the league last year of how 1014 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,639 usage groups, and they're just getting crushed and then the bench comes in and 1015 01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:54,480 they win the game with the reserves. I'll give you the Warriors in Tier 1016 01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:58,360 two, but then you're gonna have to give me the Cavaliers in Tier two. 1017 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,679 I could deal with that, but just because they have not even been 1018 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:05,119 remotely fully healthy yet. And I'm watching Evan Mobley and some of its flickers, 1019 01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:08,800 some of its moments. He had a huge game against the Pacers the 1020 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,440 other night that I saw, I'm all in, and I mean I was 1021 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,639 all in to begin with. So I have them in tier two? Is 1022 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:18,639 there anyone? So here's a team, and if we forget, somebody will 1023 01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:21,079 throw them in there. What do we do with the sixers? Well, 1024 01:06:21,239 --> 01:06:24,280 I was gonna say, what do we do with the Lakers because they were 1025 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,639 clearly a Tier two team preseason by most accounts. Do you know what's interesting 1026 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:33,599 is and people can't seem to grasp this is like they're they're better postseason team 1027 01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:39,079 than regular season tea. Yeah, because I still think they belong in Tier 1028 01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:43,079 three? Is where I put him? What's what's the definition of hey could 1029 01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,679 maybe possibly potentially happen? Yeah? Sure, we're talking about winning the title? 1030 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,880 Yeah, And like you need Lebron and AD to remain durable because it's 1031 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,920 clear that this Lebron minutes cap, Yeah might work for the first three quarters, 1032 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880 but it's not working in the fourth at this point. And I do 1033 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,400 Can I defend Anthony Davis for a minute? Please? Do? There's I 1034 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,920 had to write something last year and it went beyond the whole every other game 1035 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:10,079 AD. There was legitimate inquiries about like what can a d give you on 1036 01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:13,760 offense from night tonight? But some of this, like the discourse that I've 1037 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,599 seen on him, like what people want him to do he's not built to 1038 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,119 do, Like if you want him to bang in the post or like be 1039 01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:25,880 attacking and finishing through traffic all the time. Do you know what's gonna happen. 1040 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,880 Like his body type need to be different, and he's not gonna be 1041 01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:32,199 the defender that he is, right, Like he's not Joel Ebiid, Like 1042 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,480 he's not like he's the way he's able to fly all over the court and 1043 01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:41,239 teleport on defense. Part of that comes with the territory of he's built this 1044 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,559 way. He's he's long, he's he's strong, but he's still spindily. 1045 01:07:45,199 --> 01:07:46,880 Yeah, maybe he's he's fragile too, but that's because he can be all 1046 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,480 over the place as well. If you're looking for him to create and kind 1047 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:55,679 of like bang with guys, that's just not like that's gonna come at an 1048 01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,400 opportunity costs not just stuff his health, but like of what he is on 1049 01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,440 off on defense, excuse me. And yeah, there's a real concern about 1050 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,519 well, if he's kind of more of a play finisher and is his jumper 1051 01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:08,559 will will come and go. But like that's the player that he is and 1052 01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:12,960 that's still pretty damn good player when he's healthy. I just I feel like 1053 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:16,520 we need to move on from wanting Anthony Davis not to just being someone he's 1054 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,720 not, but someone that he shouldn't be based on what his role is defensively, 1055 01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:24,880 I just like I tend to tune out of the crew. Like I 1056 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,880 get it, he's frustrating something goes whole halves without scoring sometimes, But like 1057 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:33,159 he's probably gonna be the best defensive player in any postseason series he's involved in. 1058 01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,439 And like that's kind of that's all I need. That's you know, 1059 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,800 that's what That's what matters to me, That's what matters to the Lakers. 1060 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,079 So I think we're done with Tier one and two then, right, because 1061 01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:45,520 I think we go Lakers sixers in Tier three sixers, so even the sixers, 1062 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,319 like we don't need to nudge them down. We're not we can't include 1063 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,039 the possibility of a trade. But I just think you have the MVP, 1064 01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:55,560 you have MAXI breaking out, You've got capable NBA players in between it, 1065 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,800 and you have upside if you get a third star. So like that tier, 1066 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,760 I mean we're talking Tier three. It's not like we're trying to get 1067 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,359 him into Tier one. Here there are three teams before we start to see 1068 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,079 where the Clippers fit in all this that I'd like to ask you about. 1069 01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,640 Okay, what do we do with the Dallas Mavericks. I'm not going to 1070 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,640 overreact. The offense is awesome. I just all the same questions I had 1071 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,000 before the season are still there when I had them, you know, a 1072 01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:20,479 little bit better than five hundred. I don't think Dallas can be in Tier 1073 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,840 three. I think I just like, if that's the if the bar is 1074 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,760 hey, it could maybe possibly potentially happen. I mean, just by the 1075 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,760 letter of that law, I guess you put them there, But I just 1076 01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:35,359 I'm not ready to come off my priors of skepticism. Kyrie Irving hasn't even 1077 01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:40,760 done anything weird yet, so I have to factor that. And are you 1078 01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,840 trying to get him into Tier three? Is that what you're saying. I 1079 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,319 guess maybe I should have left here for a little bit more open ended than 1080 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:49,079 one to two years away, one to two years away from having a trade 1081 01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:56,439 Luka daja. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, and also this trade 1082 01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,000 hurts their championship chances more than it improves the Clippers CHAMPI chances maybe through uh 1083 01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:08,600 so Tier four seems fair for them their borderline. Yeah. The other two 1084 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:13,239 of the other teams, Memphis is just like, I mean, they don't 1085 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,239 have jaw. They're not gonna have Steven Adams for the rest of the year. 1086 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,399 I'm just the offense does not look good for many many I don't. 1087 01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,119 I didn't want to take it, but Mini Victory Lap because I was so 1088 01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:28,560 sure the offense would struggle with that once Adams was hurt because he meant he 1089 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,840 quietly meant so much. They I mean, Memphis can't be three. I 1090 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,920 guess you got it, even if you're gonna cake in like jaw will come 1091 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,119 back. No, No, I don't think so. Look you don't have 1092 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,720 to. I'm well, except for this offseason when I smashed there over and 1093 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,760 their entire future crumbled. So they're Tier four. I think. So we're 1094 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,079 gonna have a really crowded Tier four because I think Tier three like we're saying 1095 01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:57,239 they could win a title and I'm almost out of teams there. So the 1096 01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:59,760 team that we haven't hit, well, who what are the other two you 1097 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,800 want to get to before we Miami? Miami? Is Miami Tier three? 1098 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:10,479 I man, I don't, I don't know. That's my first thought. 1099 01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:13,840 Well, you think it's Tier three? Yeah? Do we have to like 1100 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,880 give them credence because of what they because they keep making the finals? I 1101 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:23,159 think we should probably put him in Tier three, even though they're they're I 1102 01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:27,319 mean, they've been a wreck. They're one in three at the moment. 1103 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,720 I just I'll give them tier three. They look like a I don't they 1104 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,600 look like a Tier four team on paper? Is what I would say. 1105 01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,359 We both gave him an f for the offseason. Two. So and here 1106 01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:42,159 we are heat culture the Knicks. I mean, if Miami is three, 1107 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:45,319 the Knicks can't be lower than three. I think I was gonna say, 1108 01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:48,960 do you think it? Two? I think Julius Randall has done a very 1109 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,239 good job passing the ball for the most part this year. But it does 1110 01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:57,279 kind of seem like we might be on that every other year track of where 1111 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,800 if I wish we were doing this ten games and this season, yeah, 1112 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,800 maybe we revisit it, like twenty games or something. Because this exercise is 1113 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:08,239 instructive. We'll give the nixt tier three. Okay, I am good. 1114 01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:10,600 I have many concerns about them, though, you know who. I'm not 1115 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,960 concerned about Quentin Grimes or RJ. Barrett though, Okay, very high on 1116 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:15,760 that's a good place to be. I know Jane Jalen Brunson will start hitting 1117 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,279 more of his shots. A Tier three is fair, uh, anybody I 1118 01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:25,079 mean we have to get well there, I'm noticing now I forgot more teams 1119 01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,079 than I thought. What do we do with Sacramento? That was the next 1120 01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:30,159 team I wanted to talk about. I think I think you cannot go lower 1121 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:35,239 than three for them. The Taron Fox injury is wild, but it's only 1122 01:12:35,359 --> 01:12:40,640 it's like it's it's only like it's it's not considered serious. I think Tier 1123 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:45,479 three is right for them. Also, I don't know what I was expecting 1124 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,000 their offense to be, but it's just still thermonuclear AF times infinity. I 1125 01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:54,560 just they're just, yeah, they're gonna score. I think this is another 1126 01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:00,359 team that, like so much of the preseason analysis is bearing out like defense 1127 01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,039 not great, offense can be awesome. And also they're due to get hurt, 1128 01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,680 and here we are like that is just you know, I hate that 1129 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,800 we were right about that last time. Do you know who has the best 1130 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,760 half court offense in the NBA right now? Tell me the Clippers without James 1131 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,000 Harden. Okay, what do we do with the Clippers? We have to 1132 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,239 well, I think the other team that I think just fits into this mold. 1133 01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:20,000 Oh wait, no, that might be all of them. What what 1134 01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:27,199 do we do with two more Minnesota. I kind of like Minnesota in Tier 1135 01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:30,680 three, we're gonna overpopulate Tier three. Look, I I think they belong. 1136 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,439 I'm I want to put them in Tier four because of that god awful 1137 01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:40,359 loss to the Hawks. They like the transition defense looks like it's gonna be 1138 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,399 bunk, and I've like, I don't know, like maybe as Jane McDaniels 1139 01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:47,479 plays in more games that will come to be. I'll give them Tier three 1140 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,880 because I was high on them during the regular season, but I as a 1141 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,359 team that just like, it feels like their souls can be crushed on any 1142 01:13:56,359 --> 01:14:00,079 given moment and they're just gonna be play apathetic and it's plicably they're They're the 1143 01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:04,399 team that's right there. They're fragile, so can I I want to take 1144 01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,000 an easy one off the board. We love the Thunder, but they are 1145 01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:10,600 clearly one or two years away, so we have to just put the Thunder 1146 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,399 Intier four. Well, I was actually gonna get into that Sam Presty was 1147 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,960 a liar. I don't know if they actually borrowed wins from the future. 1148 01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,039 They're just like, they're just good. They're just good. Now, that 1149 01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,359 was one of the teams I wanted to focus on today before James Harden through 1150 01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:26,560 everything. I'm just I'm watching chet Holmgrend. He's stronger than I thought. 1151 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,720 Defenses don't know what to do when he has the ball in his hands and 1152 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,880 he's spinning. Cason Wallace has been defending his ass off. Isaiah Joe's been 1153 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,279 making an impacting when he's not hitting shots. Usman Jang is going to be 1154 01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:43,399 the best player alive. Imagine if chet Holmroom gets fatter as Roy J. 1155 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,159 Dubb leading second units. Hey, how about that? He can do everything 1156 01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:50,359 I was going to have unless you think that, Like, dude, the 1157 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,399 Nets and the Hawks are weird. They like, I mean, I don't 1158 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,279 know what the Hawks, I don't know. I think, Well, we 1159 01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:03,079 got to do New Orleans here, I think because I'm not comfortab Well, 1160 01:15:03,119 --> 01:15:04,840 no, no, no, because I can't do that. I can't. 1161 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,800 I can't put them in Tier three because I'm gonna do it anyway, because 1162 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:14,520 that's where they belong. The Timberwolves in Tier three. I get the Pelicans. 1163 01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:17,600 That's fair. So uh, we need to do the Clippers. We 1164 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,399 had to figure this is what this whole thing has been about. Here are 1165 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,399 they're better than Tier four like you're taking them over the Grizzlies, the Mavericks 1166 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,600 and the thunder Right. Yeah, I think so, I think, But 1167 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,039 can we I can't get to Tier two with them, I don't think. 1168 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,439 I think. I think we're just gonna have to stuff another team in Tier 1169 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:38,439 three unless you can make how about well, upside wise, what t two? 1170 01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:43,000 Here's my thing? What team in Tier three? Are you willing to 1171 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:47,760 take over the Clippers right now? To to like in terms of likely commanding 1172 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,760 a championship? Yeah, I'm still gonna take Oh well, New Orleans is 1173 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,039 an interesting comparison because I have kind of the same health. You just wanted 1174 01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:58,600 to put them in Tier four though, Well, I know so, I 1175 01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:03,159 think. I think if you're just talking upside and I guess all these guys 1176 01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:06,479 are healthy at the moment, whereas New Orleans does has already had injuries, 1177 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,359 just not to the guys you'd expect necessarily. I think you probably do need 1178 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,319 to put the Clippers in Tier three. I don't. I can't get to 1179 01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:18,000 Tier two just because I just don't have faith in a James Harden and be 1180 01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:24,640 the collective health of everybody else. I just that the this just looks off 1181 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,880 though, it's like, so if we were to rank the teams within tier 1182 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:33,079 three, Oh boy, so would you have the Clippers at the front of 1183 01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:38,319 tier three championship equity. I'd probably have the Lakers first in that group. 1184 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,840 I think they're ahead of the Sixers. I know, coming out of the 1185 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,000 East. I mean maybe coming out of the East isn't harder because like there's 1186 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,680 the Nuggets in the West and then everybody else, and in the East it's 1187 01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:48,439 kind of the Bucks and the Celtics and the Calves. All. Yeah, 1188 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,439 I think that's right. I think you gotta have the Sixers after the LA 1189 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:57,319 teams. So yeah, and then I mean the other the rest of the 1190 01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,880 order doesn't really matter as much. I might put I'm gonna leave him in 1191 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,760 Tier three. But I think the Lakers and Clippers are kind of like that 1192 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,359 line of demarcation where if there was a Tier two point five, we might 1193 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,960 have them there. Yeah. I want to put the Clippers in Tier two. 1194 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,159 Oh, you're just you're such a you're so reactive, Dan, you 1195 01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:15,439 can't do that. You don't want to put the Warriors in tier two just 1196 01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,159 because they wont to content. I was ready to put them in Tier one, 1197 01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:21,479 but I didn't want to get too crazy right away. I think I 1198 01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,199 think this is collectively. I think this is right. The Clippers are somewhere 1199 01:17:26,279 --> 01:17:30,119 between like that second and third tier the sign of a good compromises. Nobody's 1200 01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,279 totally happy. So we've nailed it. We gotta do the rest? Do 1201 01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:35,399 we need to do? Yeah, let's do the rest. Let's be completed 1202 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,760 here, all right. I wasn't gonna do the rest but that. So 1203 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,800 let's let's knock off the bottom tier. Yeah, hornets, Detroit's down there. 1204 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,239 I mean, come on, bull they're down there. Come on, 1205 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,720 Yeah, that's a bad I why not do it? Lockers probably need to 1206 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,319 be down there. If look, if you want to talk, you know 1207 01:17:53,359 --> 01:17:56,119 what, let's put them in tier four because who knows what Wenby's doing two 1208 01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,960 years from now? One? Yeah, imagine Wemby in two years first, 1209 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,880 so he might be eight feet all in two years he's still growing. Got 1210 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:06,279 a factor that in Portland is tier five. Yes, if there was a 1211 01:18:06,319 --> 01:18:10,439 Tier six, I'd probably throw Toronto in it. I have Houston on here 1212 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,560 twice. Don't ask me why, because I like this rock. You like 1213 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,239 different logos, It's like an alternate logo. So to pay no attention to 1214 01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:20,760 that. Anyone else belong in tier I mean the Raptors, whoa dah, 1215 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,800 they're tough. I don't know. I think I could just put all the 1216 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:31,600 rest of these teams except for the Rockets option B in Tier four. What 1217 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,199 would be your locks for Tier four? I think the Hawks still be Tier 1218 01:18:35,319 --> 01:18:41,439 three, Yeah, they could. I think the Pacers belong in Tier four. 1219 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,279 I'm okay with that. They're closer to those teams than they are these 1220 01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,399 bottom what do we have bottom six? And that's like kind of the magic 1221 01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,960 definitely? Then if the like the Spurds and the Thunder are here, yeah, 1222 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,840 I think everybody else, I mean Utah Utah might be closer to multiple 1223 01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,399 years away than one to two. Right, No, they are because Danny 1224 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:03,600 Age, I think jazz fans and all of us are kind of realizing this 1225 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,319 year is what everyone thought last year. Yeah right, good point. Toronto 1226 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:14,000 the talent on paper, they could be Tier four, but it's like they're 1227 01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:16,760 gonna implode. Right, Yeah, I'm good either way. I think Brooklyn 1228 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,319 needs to be Tier four. Toronto can be five, just to keep it 1229 01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:23,119 even there. Look at that same number of teams in three, four and 1230 01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:27,000 five. Look at that where we want to put the second rocket Tier one 1231 01:19:27,319 --> 01:19:30,479 second because that's the hikeem Rockets logo. So if you have a Lajan, 1232 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,640 you're a contender Tier one for them. Wow, they won't let me take 1233 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,720 it out. That doesn't that's not a thing. Well I'll exit up. 1234 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,920 I'm gonna save and save and download the image in this. There you go. 1235 01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:45,840 Uh So that was semi instructive. So the Clippers I feel like they 1236 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,840 at least moved up within the tier we put them in. Yeah, to 1237 01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:53,800 your point, like, there's a way better argument that they belong in tier 1238 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,800 two than tier four, right, So like again it is like the two 1239 01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,600 point five thing, because if we're just talking ceiling and ignowl that they are 1240 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,520 in fact healthy, then probably they could move up. I just just like 1241 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:09,079 emotionally, cannot get to a place where I believe the Clippers are will will 1242 01:20:09,119 --> 01:20:13,319 stay healthy after so many years of not doing it. I think that wraps 1243 01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:23,439 up all this, which would mean we were going to rank and tier the 1244 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,319 city edition jerseys, but we can save that for the next time we podcast, 1245 01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,880 since that's pretty evergreen and most of them are just got awful. Anyway, 1246 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,680 do you want to start us off for stat padding. All Right, 1247 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:41,000 I got a couple like quick quick hitters here, actually just one at the 1248 01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:45,159 moment. All right, we're gonna do some more cloning, Dan, because 1249 01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:51,159 we've had great The algorithm loves clone based content. Apparently it's the same idea. 1250 01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:55,239 We've already done this with Jokic or Jannis or I forget who else, 1251 01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,600 the idea being I think you clone player four times. You have a five 1252 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:06,439 man unit of just this player rookie edition, Dan, you can clone Wemby, 1253 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:14,319 Scoot or Chet? Which are you cloning? And tell me why I'm 1254 01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:19,039 cloning Wemby because I think he can do everything like Chet's handle is there already. 1255 01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:24,960 I think Wemby's gonna wind up being a better passer. It's probably closer 1256 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,359 between those two than people want to People want to say Scoot's a distant third 1257 01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,560 for me at this point, I do. I would say that if you 1258 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,880 had five Scoot Henderson's you would score a lot of transition points against the hypothetical 1259 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,600 cloned Chet or Wemby team, probably, although maybe not. Maybe Wemby would 1260 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:45,199 just play like a zone by himself and you just couldn't shoot from anywhere? 1261 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,359 Uh Okay, Dan, next clone question. You've got to play with five 1262 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,720 Jordan Pools on the same team or five lou Dohrts on the same team. 1263 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,399 Let's imagine they're playing against each other. Maybe this is the question who wins 1264 01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:03,399 in a battle of clones Ordan Pooles versus lou Dorts. I think a team 1265 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:09,159 of five lou Dorts would end up winning more games overall, just because the 1266 01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:14,880 shot crease isn't there. But defensively they would create so much chaos that they 1267 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,720 could get out and transition, go downhill and look, we've seen lou Dort 1268 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,560 fire up off the dribble threes and sometimes they go in. And so I 1269 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:26,800 think you generate you have a hope of generating just enough offense with five lou 1270 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,640 Dorts, whereas you have no hope of defending anything with five Jordan Pooles. 1271 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,279 I think the way this goes is the Dorts foul out all five Pools in 1272 01:22:34,319 --> 01:22:40,640 the first quarter. That end's in a forfeit most likely, let's see. 1273 01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,920 Okay, I have another no more clone content. Dan, You are a 1274 01:22:45,119 --> 01:22:49,119 coach. You must choose and these are the rules that you have to follow. 1275 01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:54,079 If you are trying to win the game. You either must choose Julius 1276 01:22:54,199 --> 01:22:58,560 Randall has to play a whole game right handed, or DeAndre Ayden is only 1277 01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,640 allowed to dunk. I'm gonna take DeAndrea and only being allowed to dump because 1278 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,880 you can create enough space to where he is able to dunk. Whereas forcing 1279 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,039 Julius Randall to work with his right hand, there's still the variable of how 1280 01:23:14,079 --> 01:23:17,279 does that look in traffic? Is Julius Randall the most left handed person in 1281 01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:21,159 the NBA? Lefties are always so one hand dominant. I'm trying to think 1282 01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:27,520 who else would fit that category, But he's with r j oh pretty close, 1283 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:31,880 and the Knicks have a glut of lefty dominant players. Okay, another 1284 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:39,000 one in this vein Kyrie Irving gets only three dribbles per touch or Klay Thompson 1285 01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:44,159 must take at least three dribbles per touch. Who's more successful, Oh, 1286 01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:48,439 Kyrie? Yeah, he's playing with ball dominant guys before, and so he's 1287 01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:53,039 done more off ball stuff than we credited him. Yes, okay, maybe 1288 01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:54,880 that was too easy for you. All right, you can give me some 1289 01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:57,560 here. I have some more for it later, but I'm ready. You 1290 01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,840 stole my blue Dohrt Jordan pul wand till that one's out. Here is in 1291 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:05,720 the vein of James Harden playing for a new team, which NBA star has 1292 01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:13,439 played for more teams for their career. Vince Carter or Dwight Howard. Oh, 1293 01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:17,399 well, you make me want to say. I'm gonna say Vince Carter, 1294 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,880 but I'm concerned you've made me overthink it. That is correct. Vince 1295 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:26,920 Carter at eight teams, Dwight Howard at seven. Trevor Ariza or Jeff Green. 1296 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,039 Oh, I'm gonna say Jeff Green. That is correct. Eleven teams 1297 01:24:31,119 --> 01:24:35,680 for Jeff Green to ten for Trevor Reza, Sam Cassell or Ray John Rondo. 1298 01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:44,159 Oh Man, all right, so Cassell got Rockets Bucks. I'm gonna 1299 01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:47,920 say Rondo. That is correct again. Nine for Rondo, eight for Cassell, 1300 01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:57,760 DeAndre Jordan or Derrick rose Hm. I'm gonna say DeAndre Jordan. That 1301 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,760 is correct again? Four for four joined us seven Derek Rouse has six which 1302 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:12,119 NBA player has played for more teams? James Harden or Russell Westbrook. That 1303 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:19,239 is a tie. That is correct. You wept the entire segment five teams 1304 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:24,479 a piece, counting the Clippers for James Harden. Right now, I have 1305 01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:31,720 This is in a similar vein though four of these active NBA players have suited 1306 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:39,279 up for at least ten teams, which one does not belong Jeff Green, 1307 01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:45,600 Justin Holliday, James Johnson, Robin Lopez or Garrett Temple, So who has 1308 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:51,239 not played for ten teams? Yes, Garrett Temple correct again? He Oh 1309 01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:57,079 no, that's incorrect. Oh, Robin Lopez has nine? Everyone else had 1310 01:25:57,079 --> 01:26:00,000 ten or eleven. I gave you a gimme two because Jeff Green was including 1311 01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:02,880 Yeah, I knew that was out. You were on such a role that 1312 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:08,319 I just assumed that you were right. We found my niche. I have 1313 01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,840 some. I have a couple others. Did you want to use any more 1314 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,720 than you wanted to give me? Oh? Yeah, I got I got 1315 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,880 a bunch here for you. I just want to make sure I phrase them 1316 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,000 correctly because I got a little bit over complicated. I also have some. 1317 01:26:17,079 --> 01:26:21,319 Guess who's for you to get to? Oh yes, we forgot about that 1318 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:27,199 one. All right. So Dan, I'm gonna need you to make me 1319 01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:31,000 a five man roster using only twins, so you can take one or the 1320 01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,560 other, and you're gonna have to leave some out your options. There are 1321 01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,640 I think this is all of them. There might be some more. You've 1322 01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,479 got the Lopezes, You've got the more I, You've got the Martins, 1323 01:26:42,039 --> 01:26:45,760 Caleb and Cody. You've got the Thompson rookie twins, and you've got the 1324 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:50,640 Champagne twins. So just make a five man unit using only the only twins, 1325 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:55,960 and you don't have to take both twins, making only so I can 1326 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,920 take one twin, yep. Okay, give me Brook Lopez. Yeah? 1327 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,760 Why am I ready forgetting about the other twins? Uh? So we have 1328 01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:08,920 the Martin brothers, give me Kayleb Martin, I'm gonna take. I'm gonna 1329 01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:15,159 take Julian Champenny Okay, I'm gonna bet on it. And the Thompsons. 1330 01:27:16,119 --> 01:27:18,920 I'm sorry, what were the other ones? The Morrises and the Thompson's. 1331 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,680 Are they all in their prime? You're taking them right now today? Oh 1332 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:30,319 my god? Just take both Thompson's. Do it. Yeah, I'm taking 1333 01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:35,439 both Thompson's brothers. So Brook Lopez, Kayla Martin, Julian CHAMPENNI am and 1334 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:41,399 Thompson R. Thompson. I like it And sorry to Robin Lopez, the 1335 01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,920 Morrises, Cody Martin tough break another you can see how my brain works. 1336 01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:51,039 You need I don't even think about that. Uh, you need to make 1337 01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:55,880 me an eight man rotation. I'm sorry for how you if you cut this 1338 01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:00,319 together, apologies? Uh. And all eight players have to play in equal 1339 01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:05,119 amount. Okay, you're picking from siblings, so you have, for example, 1340 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:10,199 the to A Cumbo's. You gotta take both, all right. You 1341 01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:13,359 gotta take the Nasces with Giannis if you're taking you honest, which you're gonna 1342 01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:15,960 do because you want Joannis. But you also have to choose from the Curries, 1343 01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,439 the McDaniels, the Holidays. You can pick two of the three, 1344 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:29,720 whichever you want. The Mobley's, the Wagner's, and the Murray's. You 1345 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,439 say the Mobley's, Yeah, Isaah Mobley is a person. Oh yeah, 1346 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:39,239 forgot fuck all right, So I'm taking you honest, got it? And 1347 01:28:39,319 --> 01:28:43,560 I thought you said eight man, right? You gotta take the curries, 1348 01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:49,239 right, yeah, the Curries Seth and Steph. I'm gonna go Drew Holliday 1349 01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:57,079 and Justin Holiday Okay? And am I gonna take the Thompson's again? O, 1350 01:28:57,159 --> 01:28:59,680 sar Thompson's. I'm really you know you can't take this. This is 1351 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,600 non twin editions. So you got you could choose the Wagners. I like 1352 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,319 that one. The Mobley's like that one. The McDaniels. You want some 1353 01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:12,600 wing defense, a lot of options, the Murders. I go the McDaniels 1354 01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,520 there, that's fun. Just to get Jaden and then I'm gonna go. 1355 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:23,119 It's gotta be the Wagners or Mobley's. You're gonna leave Evan Mobley out there? 1356 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:28,520 Why I have be honest already? Oh sorry, No, I'll give 1357 01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,000 me the Mobleys, all right, I like it. That was overly complicated. 1358 01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:34,840 Give me some more and then I can give you some guess who's so? 1359 01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:41,239 I have another, uh small bat or two of who does not belong? 1360 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,760 So? Which NBA rookie? Well, let's let's do it this way. 1361 01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:49,239 Six NBA rookies have averaged at least twenty points and five assists per game. 1362 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,600 I'm gonna give you two groups of four. You have to tell me 1363 01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:58,560 which rookie does not belong from each group? Okay, which NBA rookie did 1364 01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,800 not average twenty points in five assists Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Alan Iverson 1365 01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:08,840 or Oscar Robinson. This is a hell of a question. Uh, I'm 1366 01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:13,880 gonna say. I'm gonna say, Larry Bird, that is correct, nicely 1367 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,199 done. Was it the points? Yeah? He was, No, it 1368 01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:21,079 was it was the assist for which NBA rookie did not average twenty points and 1369 01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:26,880 five assists. Luka Doncic, Tyreek Evans, Lebron James or Trey Young. 1370 01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:34,920 Hmmm, I'm gonna say, Trey that is correct again. Damn you're on 1371 01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:39,039 fire today, are you? Trek Evans did it? That's always the one 1372 01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:41,880 you gotta throw in there, or that's the or that's an indictment on my 1373 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,640 questions today. I'm just getting really good at this. Don't ever sell yourself 1374 01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:50,560 short? Uh this one. So I'm trying to figure out how to do 1375 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,960 this one because it's I don't think we'd be able to cut it up, 1376 01:30:55,079 --> 01:30:58,840 but I feel like it would be a really good one. Spot the NBA 1377 01:30:59,039 --> 01:31:03,239 Lie Steph Curry edition. So I'm gonna give you three truths and a lie. 1378 01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:08,640 Okay, got it to tell me which one is the lie one. 1379 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,720 Trey Young has made more shots from thirty four plus feet than Steph Curry and 1380 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:19,239 Damian Lillard combined. Two. Jahn Morant is shooting a higher percentage from thirty 1381 01:31:19,279 --> 01:31:26,319 four plus feet for his career than Steph Curry. Three. Andre Miller has 1382 01:31:26,319 --> 01:31:31,760 attempted more shots from thirty four plus feet than Steph Curry. Four. Steph 1383 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,760 Curry has made more shots from thirty four plus feet than Lebron, James Kobe, 1384 01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:42,840 James Harden, and Michael Jordan combined. Oh man, I want to 1385 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,840 pick that last one. Uh, I'm gonna say, what was the jaw 1386 01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,199 one? He's got a higher percentage on thirty four plus footers and Steph correct 1387 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:55,359 he could be like one for two. Though, I'm gonna go with my 1388 01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,600 gut and say that the jaw one is a lie that is incorrect. The 1389 01:32:00,039 --> 01:32:03,199 lie is that Andre Miller has attempted more shots from thirty four plus feet than 1390 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,560 Steph Curry. I was so sure about that one. I forget. Imagine 1391 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:11,279 Andre Miller taking the unselfish heave and not caring about his percentage. But yeah, 1392 01:32:11,319 --> 01:32:14,880 he had one seventy for his career and Steph has won seventy six from 1393 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:19,119 that distance. Okay, good question. I have I have one more for 1394 01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:23,159 you that's absolutely hysterical, so let's say it before the end. Do you 1395 01:32:23,239 --> 01:32:27,359 have anything else for me? I got three guess who's for you, and 1396 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,560 it's gonna be it's really gonna pick at what I perceived to be your weaknesses, 1397 01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,960 which is like distant NBA passed stuff, not really distant. But they're 1398 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:39,279 all players you're aware of. Okay, So I'm gonna give you clues. 1399 01:32:39,359 --> 01:32:45,199 You're gonna try to guess who this person is, so you'll see the trend 1400 01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:47,399 emergings. One of them was drafted in eighty five, one and ninety five 1401 01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,840 and one in oh five, so the nineteen eighty five draft d I was 1402 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:55,479 a number seven pick out of Saint John's in nineteen eighty five. I'm left 1403 01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:00,079 handed. I was known primarily as one of the great perimeter shooters ever, 1404 01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:04,600 despite playing my entire career pretty much before the real three point revolution happened. 1405 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:12,880 Oh you have a guess already. It's not. It's not. I can't. 1406 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:17,119 I don't want to pronounce. It's not raheem no. Okay, average 1407 01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:20,479 at least this is crazy average, at least twenty five points per game on 1408 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,239 better than fifty percent shooting from the field. This is a perimeter player, 1409 01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:28,560 by the way, five straight years from eighty eight, eighty nine to ninety 1410 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,960 two ninety three was a tall Chris Mallen. Bang. Good job. I 1411 01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:34,439 was going to give you the buzz cut as the last clue if you weren't 1412 01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:39,520 going to get there. But well done. All right, let's see. 1413 01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:44,600 Okay, this is a ninety five draft d I was the number fifteen pick 1414 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,399 in nineteen ninety five by the Nuggets, but did not ever play for the 1415 01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:51,039 Nuggets. Was a Clipper for my first two and a half seasons. Traded 1416 01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:55,640 to Heat, then Bulls, then Sonics, then Spurs, where I won 1417 01:33:55,720 --> 01:34:00,920 two titles. With the Spurs. I led the league in three point percentage 1418 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,920 in two thousand and two thousand and one at forty seven point six percent. 1419 01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,720 The next year, I led the league in two point percentage, shooting fifty 1420 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,279 eight point eight percent. I shot over forty percent from three eight different times. 1421 01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,720 I never won the three point contest, but I was a finalist in 1422 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:26,439 it. I won the dunk contest in nineteen ninety six. Oh, wearing 1423 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,960 my warm up? Nothing yet, all right, I'm running out here. 1424 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:36,680 My father was an all time great in the NBA. My brother also played 1425 01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:43,520 in the NBA. I got nothing, nothing, Okay, I'm trying to 1426 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,079 think what other clues I could give you I did. I did a sea 1427 01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:49,920 walk and celebration for my finalist appearance in the two thousand and three three Point 1428 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:54,800 Contest while I was playing for the Sonics. What other clues can I give 1429 01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:04,279 you? I was the inspiration for Grant's early e aim the screen gamer La 1430 01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:10,640 clip thirty one doesn't exist anymore. I could just give it to you. 1431 01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:14,840 It's Brent Berry. I feel like I should have known that one. As 1432 01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,880 a skinny white kid trying to play basketball. Brent Barry was kind of an 1433 01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:21,439 icon for me, Okay, last one. I was the seventeenth pick out 1434 01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:26,279 of New Mexico by the Indiana Pacers in two thousand and five, played eight 1435 01:35:26,319 --> 01:35:30,239 and a half seasons there, then went on to play for the Clippers and 1436 01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,640 Heat, but I was pretty much washed by then. That's like twenty thirty 1437 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:40,000 Ranger Bang, good job redeem yourself on, Brent Berry. We actually have 1438 01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:47,159 a couple from Rubik Scal for you. Rubikscal as always, so let's start 1439 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:51,000 here. I currently hold the record for the fastest to one thousand threes. 1440 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:56,359 It took me three hundred and fifty games, fifteen games faster than the previous 1441 01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:01,359 record holder, Steph Curry. I am buddy, healed nice. I believe 1442 01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:05,560 we have two more? Okay, next one. I was the fifteenth overall 1443 01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,720 pick in twenty twelve. I was drafted by the Sixers, but I was 1444 01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:14,800 sent to the Orlando Magic in a four team twelve man trade that sent Dwight 1445 01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:19,000 Howard to the Lakers. I showed a holiday No oh, sorry, go 1446 01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:23,760 ahead. I showed immediate promises a forward on the Magic. My six foot 1447 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,600 eight inch athletic frame, my quick first step, and my handles received praise, 1448 01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,600 but my jumper and strength were questioned. Ooh, okay, back up. 1449 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,800 This is a Sixers pick traded to the Magic and the Dwight Howard deal. 1450 01:36:35,079 --> 01:36:40,000 Correct, Okay, continue sorry clue number two. I began my sophomore 1451 01:36:40,039 --> 01:36:43,640 season in the Magic starting lineup, but my role grew limited because of the 1452 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,479 depth at forward position. Aaron Afalo, Aaron Gordon, Tobias Harris, Victor 1453 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,359 Oladipo, etc. Cetera. And I was traded to the Blazers in the 1454 01:36:50,399 --> 01:36:58,399 summer of twenty fifteen. Is this Tobias Harris. No Tobias Harris is one 1455 01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:00,600 of the names that was mentioned. Include numbers two, Oh shit, okay, 1456 01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:04,840 good goodness, you contributed to the forward depth that nudged this person out 1457 01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,560 of the rotation. Why can't I think of this person all right? In 1458 01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,319 my first season in Portland, I worked my way from the end of the 1459 01:37:11,399 --> 01:37:15,279 bench back into the starting lineup, cashing in on Terry Stott's growing preference for 1460 01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:18,600 small ball lineups. Though my twenty eight percent clip from three point range was 1461 01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,399 a concern. Is one of the clues going to be On the last day 1462 01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:25,560 of the season, I did not play because I had a contract incentive to 1463 01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,760 shoot over a certain three point percentage. Clue number four is I signed a 1464 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,159 four year, forty million dollars contract with the Blazers, and the contract had 1465 01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:36,039 a five hundred thousand dollars bonus for ending the season shooting thirty five percent from 1466 01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:41,000 three Well, with four games to go in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, my 1467 01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:44,439 three point percentage was thirty five point one, so I didn't attempt to single 1468 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,840 three in my last four games, giving up open corner threes on multiple occasions 1469 01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:53,479 to shoot a long two point instead. Just a great period in niche NBA 1470 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,920 history. This is moharkless. Yes, that is correct, and that is 1471 01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,680 one of my that is the first thing I think of when I think of 1472 01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,960 more Markless is that three point shooting incentive in his contract every time? Uh, 1473 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,199 that will do. This will be the last one again from Rubiscal, 1474 01:38:08,279 --> 01:38:12,920 These are fantastic. I went to Okill Academy and I was a consensus five 1475 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,520 star recruit as one of the best shooting guards in my class. I excelled 1476 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:19,520 in my one season in the LSU, leading all freshmen in scoring with twenty 1477 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:26,119 three points per game. Only I yes, that is correct. Nice job, 1478 01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,439 dire tonight, freshman, more Markless, the one that took you forever. 1479 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,119 I don't know the magic thing through me. I was trying to think 1480 01:38:33,159 --> 01:38:35,720 of the Holiday. I don't know. Drew Holliday never played for the Magic 1481 01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,680 I know that, But I was trying to think of the big big sixers 1482 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:42,640 trade on the draft night, and that's the only thing I could get to. 1483 01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,840 Yeah, I have one more for you that I I'm very excited about. 1484 01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:54,159 All Right, I guess I'm ready, but nervous. Would which NBA 1485 01:38:54,279 --> 01:38:59,279 player would you rather have a version of Prime Steph Curry who thinks he's Prime 1486 01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:03,640 Shack or version of Prime Shack who thinks he's Prime Steph Curry, Oh man, 1487 01:39:04,279 --> 01:39:08,119 neither of these guys are going to have a lot of success. I 1488 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:14,119 guess I would take Steph Curry, who thinks he's prime shack, because maybe 1489 01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:16,319 he would draw a lot of contact and shoot a ton of free throws very 1490 01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:21,119 successfully. The alternative I do not like. I don't think I want Shaq 1491 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:27,199 taking a bunch of thirty footers off the move. I think I'm with you 1492 01:39:27,279 --> 01:39:30,039 on that one, but I thought that was an interesting one. That's a 1493 01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:34,399 great I like that one. I don't have any more for you after you 1494 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,920 nailed Danny Granger so quickly. Yeah, I don't that's it. Do you 1495 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,199 want to take us out of here? Yeah? Everybody, thank you for 1496 01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:45,800 listening, for participating, for providing us ideas. 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