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Welcome to Stories of Special Forces Operators
Podcast. Listen to some of the bravest

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and toughest people on the planet share
their stories, Sit back and enjoy.

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Welcome back to everybody. Well,
we have another great returning guest, Bob

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Killer. He was in the Units. By the way, folks, you

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can find more about him at Keller
k E W L E R. Gammut,

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Gamut Resolutions, Keller Gammut Resolutions.
You can also go to his website

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Gamut resolutions dot com. And you
can also if you're down in Tampa,

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Florida, check out Range Works now
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if you're visiting Tampa thinking about visiting
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was you so because they we're going
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way with proven combat shooting technique training
with Bob today, we're gonna learn a

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little bit about that, a little
bit about psychology. Hey, have you

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ever wonder what it takes to get
into the unit? Well, we'll find

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out more about that as well.
Before we get started. To make sure

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to share subscribe. I like but
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not wasting one of the time.
Welcome to the show. Bob. Welcome

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back, Bob, what's going on? Thanks for having me back, And

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I feel I feel like I was
back ten minutes ago. That's that's right.

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Coming on another podcast with you.
You know, we just did a

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podcast, folks with John Striker Meyer
the McVie sag. Probably seeing him on,

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Jocko Willick and Bob did a great, a great thing. He came

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in to surprise us and visit us. They were just talking highly about the

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unit, Bob. That's the funny
thing. They were just saying how amazing

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these guys were. And I said, I'll be damned, I got a

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guy's coming on the boom there.
Yeah, you lift their faces up,

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that's for sure. There was like
it was like a parties like that time

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when you had that. Your buddies
came on too. That was like a

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wild Yeah. Those those usually do
really well. Yeah, that's still in

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the top ten podcast we've ever had. Yeah, you guys, that was

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a crazy one. And it really
is the way to do it because when

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it comes to stories like I'm horrible
like remembering things, I mean, so

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every year it gets worse, but
when you get it. You had that

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one guy. You guys were all
crutching on the one guy who remembers everything.

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I forgot his name. Yeah,
that's Nate. So it's it's awesome

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to get, you know, every
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to do stuff like this because he'll
remember the missions and like like, once

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I hear it, I'll remember it. But I wouldn't be able Like if

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you just said, you know,
talk about six missions graft the bat,

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I mean, you'll probably take me
a week to remember six missions, like

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all the way through, you know, but you know, Nate, he

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was one of the He's one of
those guys that has a good memory.

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So it is fun to do,
uh, to do this podcasts with with

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multiple guys because that one or two
missions you remember, they might not remember,

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and then once you started talking about
it, then everyone remembers it,

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and you know it's it's I was
like, who was the other gentleman?

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I forgot his name? Sure,
Gilly. That was cracking me up on

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that one, because remember Nate was
late about twenty minutes and you guys were

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freaking You're like, oh, yeah, the one who's got the stories.

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Where was Nate? Exactly? I
was like, where the hell is Nate?

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Yeah? Because because Brian. He
doesn't have a good memory either,

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so it's like you gotta have that
third or fourth guy that remembers everything.

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Looka they're like, but the fifteen
minutes, it was like, yeah,

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I remember what was that? Oh? Yeah, who was that? It

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was like I was frustrating. It
was funny, I was. We We

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did another one a couple of months
ago, okay, and he brought up

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a story that I had totally forgot
about, and so it was cool for

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me. Like, as he's talking
about I'm like, holy crap. I

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was like, I do remember that, but I hadn't. I hadn't talked

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about that one like that one would
have been off the books forever, you

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know, I would have never I
never remembered it. So it was really

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cool, you know, to do
it again and to hear hear new stuff

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that I just TOLDY forgot. How
long were you with the year again?

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Uh? Ten years? That's why
you probably wait, went fifty missions?

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Forty missions? It was over eight
hundred with yeah, oh so you're kind

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of okay, I'm thinking of deployments
mostly. Okay, so you're kind of

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like you're going to missions like every
year. The week we'll probably have two

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a week or three a week or
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day to a day. It was. It was crazy. And then that's

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why I went there, you know. It's like that's right, Like my

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sp deployment was my which my first
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great experience. I wouldn't take like
if I if I had to do again,

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I'd go back the same thing,
just different, totally different mission set

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um. So to be able to
say that I was that I actually did

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the true SF mission overseas, you
know, in a combat zone. Would

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you can't like that's awesome. I
wouldn't. I would never go back in

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and change that. But it wasn't. You weren't doing missions every night,

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and that would have been one of
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maybe once once or twice a week, you know, if you were lucky.

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So like that that first time that
I actually got in a gunfight or

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you know, like actually got shot
at and realized that I liked it and

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like this is for me, this
is my life. After that deployment or

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during that deployment, I was like
I wanted more. So that was the

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reason why I went to the unit
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that was on the last one we
talked about or not with you, But

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this last one, I was a
Gillie and Nate I was, And this

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is the first time i'd've heard this. Some guys at the unit like went

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to the unit because they knew everyone
there was the best and like, so

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if they're gonna be in the military
and go overseas and they have to fight,

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they want to fight with the best
people, right, Like it almost

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made them more comfortable. So when
I heard that, I was like,

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that's crazy, Like I'd never thought
of that. My whole reason for going

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to the unit was to get more
gunfights. Like that was the only reason

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I could have cared less if guys
were switched on or if guys were you

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know, like safer and safer to
be around. Like I knew that they

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were getting on, So that's where
I wanted to go. So that's an

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interesting too. Yeah, So like
going back to like the mission wise,

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Yeah, I mean there was some
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weeks in a row, we were
going on two missions a day, so

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we literally we literally touched the tip
of the iceberg of your missions. Yeah,

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we're not even close. And that's
that's what's crazy, Like all the

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times you go out there like there's
no way. And maybe if it was

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like a traumatic experience for people,
they're gonna remember it more, but like

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for me, it was just a
normal job. You know, like if

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if you went out on a mission
and nothing happened, well, that just

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flushed from my brain. I got
it. I wouldn't even wouldn't even think

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twice about it, right, So
I'm not gonna remember all of them.

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But yeah, it's crazy how like
people always like I think, I think

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people that are that got there after
me, or guys that weren't there during

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the heat of it, you know, when they hear like eight hundred missions

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or a thousand missions, like there's
no way, there's no way that you

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are on eight hundred missions or what
we call them hits. And you think

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about if you're going out, so
you're over there for four months at a

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time, and you like I have
with with the unit twelve I think twelve

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deployments with them, so you gotta
think four months however many days that is,

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and then you take that over fourteen
fourteen deployments if you add it up,

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if you're going on even if you
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that quick, and it really and
it comes down to like what troop you're

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in, what squadron you're into,
Like it's a it's a luck thing.

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It's kind of like when the lottery, like if you get over and you

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happen to be at that perfect spot
you know, for that trip and there's

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stuff going on, like it's it's
just blowing up, like the stuff every

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night to hit, Well, that's
the missions start adding up real quick.

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So I got, I got.
I was very fortunate to be the way

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that I am and wanting those missions, like to be in the troops and

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the squadron that I would that I
was in from for my whole career or

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some people, I'm sure we're getting
burnt out, you know, like if

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they're getting over there and then then
you're going out twice twice a night or

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every every day that I'm sure some
people were like this is stupid. But

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to me, I liked it,
and everyone that I worked with um and

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I knew it was the same thing. Like it was never like oh we

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have another one like you right,
uh yeah, if you're lucky, I'd

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say five five or six if you're
lucky, and then it usually it was

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like four or five, and Nate
and Gillie were with you most of the

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time. Yeah, yep, Okay. You had one other guy I think

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or something you mentioned before. Yeah, probably was probably was braun Um.

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I don't think I've ever done any
podcast with him. No, you mentioned

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some other guy. Another was there
was I don't know if it was him

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or not. There was one guy
you guys laughed a little bit about because

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he was kind of I think he
came in at the end or something like

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that. I came remember right now, Yeah, Dee, that's why.

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That's why I need two other guys. Well, you know what, I'll

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talk to Sean if you're up for
Will you do another one with Sean?

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That's tier one because he really admired
you guys too when he was working in

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Canada. He was the guy who
met on the John Striker Show. So

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we're doing a lot. We're kind
of revisiting a lot of the guys I

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mentioned before because I used to get
a lot of flack, why are you

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doing these podcasts you're not military?
And I do it because I wanted to

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learn myself and I look at the
psychologically it's different. You guys are different,

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There's no doubt about it. And
I even showed my classes some of

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you guys and not like show them, look look at this guy, but

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I show him and say, listen
to their stories and say how resilient people

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can be. Yeah, because it
blows their mind every time they hear.

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You know, Ryan Hendrickson, he's
the Green Beret that stepped in the ied

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and lost his leg. No,
I mean it sounds familiar, but that's

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that's kind of a normal last name. So maybe I've heard. Yeah,

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Heed, he stepped in ID lost
his leg and they told him you're done,

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and he got He got deployed again
two years later. Yeah, which

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is amazing. It's like, whoa, you actually went back they said,

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Yeah, they told me forget it, just hang it up. Whoa,

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that's intense stuff there. Um.
Yeah. Yeah, so that's kind of

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revisiting some of these stories. So
yeah, it'd be great we can kind

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of get you guys back on again
and and have it because he he provides

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a little bit of a different angle
than I do. I looked at the

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psychology of it, but he'll provide
more of the operator stuff. And he'll

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say, well, what did you
guys do here? Whatever it is,

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you know how it goes? Yeah, that'd be fascinating. Um, But

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I think the psychology part does come
and play a bit, you know,

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big, big time for being to
being at or to being at that level,

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not only operationally, but I mean
just just staying there that long,

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you know. I mean, you
gotta have the right mindset. You truly

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have to love what you're doing,
because I mean, the the burnout rate

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would be just would be huge because
you sound like you're you almost sound like

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when I when I'm interview cops,
and I have a lot of cop friends,

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and I asked them I used to
ask to night, I'm that stupid.

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So I used to ask the questions
like anything stand out in your career?

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And then it becomes the exact same
situation as you, and they're like,

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yeah, about two thousand things stand
out and my career because every knife

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there's about five things. You're like, what the hell happened here? Yep?

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Exactly. That is kind of how
it would be it, man,

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if you're talking about there on,
Yeah, the stuff that they get to

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see every single day, there's no
way you can remember everything right, So

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yeah, but when it comes to
missions, it's it's it was the it

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was like the big Ones or you
know where something really bad happened that sticks

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out. But even to me,
like I just never I never thought of

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it as a big deal, you
know, Like I mean there was it

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would be funny to have my wife
here, Like there was one where where

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two guys got shot on target and
one of them was my really good buddy

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and are my wife and his wife
were good friends. Well he gets shot,

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you know, we we send him
on or send him on the bird,

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um the ship moped the Germany,
you know, to surgery and everything,

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and like to us, like even
though he's my really good buddy,

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I didn't think anything of it.
I'm just not like that's that's the game

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that we played every single time that
we go on target. We can get

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shot and you accept it, and
you accept that anyone else can get a

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shot. So when someone get shot
and you've already accepted it, it's not

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a big deal. It's like we
finished the mission. You know, when

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I went back that night, UM
didn't even think about like calling my wife

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and saying you know this. You
know I'm not gonna say his name,

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but you know he'd been shot because
I didn't think it was a big deal.

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Well, it just happened to be, Like, my wife called his

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wife just just out of the blue, and she was like, I just

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got a you know, a phone
call from you know, the army,

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and this is what happened. So
now my wife knows that I'm on target

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with him, right, So she's
wondering what the heck happened. You know,

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she's breaking out, and you know, I'm back there, probably watching

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a movie, not even thinking twice
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call her like that, either that
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of nights later, you know,
and she's like, so, did anything

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you know, did anything happen last
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don't know why, you know,
like she was acting weird, and then

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she was like, I know what
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she was mad that I didn't let
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was trying to hide it. I
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It was just another mission. Do
you think people people did hurt,

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people die, people get shot,
and that's that might sound kind of harsh

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or like you know, cold hearted. But that's just how we are,

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you know, I mean, we're
not we're not gonna dwell on like if

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someone dies in front of us,
We're not gonna dwell on that, you

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know, the next day or or
ten years later. I mean, that's

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that's the game that we play,
that's the game that we wanted to be

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in. Use that. It's kind
of interesting when you use that analogy,

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because that's exactly what you sounded like
to me. You sound are you a

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baseball fan? No basketball fan?
Nope, football. It's not to me

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like a bay I'm gonna go back
to baseball, didn't forget it, But

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it's not to me like, um, you're a baseball player and one of

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your teammates polls is polls of Hammy, all right, next we know who's

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taken over him. That's about it, Because it sounds like you just kind

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of not worry about it. Maybe
all maybe you don't, you know,

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I don't know. I mean,
I'm not totally colehearted. I mean,

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yeah, I don't want people to
die, but I'm not that's not gonna

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affect me. I'm not gonna go
back and you know, cry on my

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pillow because someone someone got killed or
someone got shot. I mean I would

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think we almost look at as like, hey, now we're down a guy.

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You know, now we're down a
good guy, and you know,

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how do we how do we make
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how it truly was all about the
next mission and you almost have too when

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you can't go on with your mindset
wondering about you getting killed next because that's

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not gonna make you very effective visit. Nope. Yeah. So I think

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that is the difference between some people
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me, I just and that's I
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problems, you know, mentally getting
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one, I was never I was
never afraid on any mission. I went

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on like I didn't go over seas
and ever think I don't want to die,

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Like I just accepted I was gonna
get killed from from almost day one

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of my first deployment. Just accept
I'm not coming back. Well, if

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you can truly accept that you're not
going to be scared when when you know

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when bad things happen and then you're
not gonna dwell on them in the past,

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because if if it's a traumatic like
scary situation, I think that's where

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the what do they call it now, the PTS or PTP, I think

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it is PTS whatever, like like
I can I can see that happening.

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If that, if that's a scary
moment and you're playing that in your head

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every single day, well that's that's
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to me, like I just the
next day, I let it go.

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It was the next it was the
next day, it was the next mission.

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Like I'm not thinking of what happened
on that last mission, like,

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oh, two guys got shot,
it could be me next. I didn't

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care, so amazing, which which
I think helped me out a lot,

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especially now, you know, being
retired, I don't. I don't.

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There's no I don't ever. I
don't ever look back and like like say,

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oh, I'm so I'm so lucky
that I didn't get shot, I

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didn't get killed nothing ever, because
I never I never thought about that when

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I was there, So I'm not
gonna think about it now. Yeah,

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you're right. In PTSD obviously just
different. Everybody's got different upbringings, different

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storylines, and different ways of thinking. So it affects people differently. Doesn't

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mean folks, but it's just different. And I totally agree. Um,

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like I would never I would never
say anything bad about someone that's saying they

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have it, but like to me
that it was just never never affected me

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because I wanted to be in that
situation. How many you think in the

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unit were like that quite a bit? Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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And it's it's funny there. You
don't you're not friends with everyone. Everyone

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always thinks like everyone knows each other. You barely know many people. It's

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just the people that you actually train
with and you go to size with.

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And I mean, and that's another
thing being fortunate to be on the right

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troop and the right squadron my whole
career, Like everyone I worked with was

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like minded, like like on like
on like how I was. I might

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be, I might be to the
extreme of that, but it was all

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guys that wanted to be there.
That's that's what's so cool like about that

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place, you know, like in
wartime to being being around that many people

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that that had no fear and that
actually wanted to be there, Like that's

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that's just awesome stuff that it would
have been. It would have been cool

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to ask, um, what was
what was the the the the sad guy's

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name, Oh, John Striker,
Like, it would have been cool to

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see if if he felt the same
way like the guys that he went on

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you know, target with every night
over in Vietnam, if that was the

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same feeling, or you know,
we're some guys leery of you know,

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being there. I'm trying to see
if we approach that or not. You

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know why that could be, Um, that'd be that'd be a That'd be

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a cool one to see the difference
of back then when it was a draft

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and who you know, we're guys
just going there because they thought it was

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the best place to be and that
you know that they have a better chance

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being you know, being on a
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still had fear or was everyone like
like I'm explained, was like how it

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was at the unit. It'd be
cool. It would be interesting to see.

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little bit of that. He mentioned

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sometimes that some of the guys,
most of the guys he just said,

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they didn't think about it. They
just did what they had to do and

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that was the end of it.
Yeah, because he had one guy I

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think it was one of the first
guys. He calls a halo high altitude

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low something or other. Yep,
And he was the first guy to do

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it. And they were just doing
it. It was about the end of

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it. It wasn't like, what's
going to happen, It's like, no,

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they just did it. I was
like, really was And I asked

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him what kind of mindset did this
guy have? Because he just didn't give

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a shit about it anything. He
just did it. That was the end

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of it. You didn't worry about
it. How is Michael leg gonna hurt

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my toe gonna get stuffed? He
just did it. Was the end of

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it. It's like, oh,
all right, Yeah, I'd a good

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way to do it. Yeah,
it'd be interesting to do a show with

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I wish I would have been able
to jump on earlier. We can do

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that one. I think it'd be
a great one to have you, him,

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you and him on again, and
then maybe even Nate and Gilly.

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We gotta get Nate the least speaking
remember stuff, and I think that'd be

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a fascinating show. I apologize everyone
on my memory. I still know some

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stories, but no, it's all
right. Today it's kind of more of

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a different more about you, And
I think I like the direction already we're

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going, because the mindset is so
different when people ask you. I'm gonna

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ask you this question in a minute. But before I get to ask you

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that question, I want to see
if you've ever heard of that phrase and

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see if it resonates in the world
of sports, which is a phrase that

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says some people argue whether it's the
athlete that picks the sport or the sport

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picks the athlete. So ballerina's tend
to be long and lanky, So is

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it the sport that's actually picking those
girls and guys who look like that already

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or really turn into that whatever.
But I'm wondering if the unit's the same

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way. Is it the unit that's
picking those guys or is it the guy

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picking the unit? And I get
the funny feeling it might be the unit

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picking those guys. And in other
words, you have to be a certain

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mindset to be able to deal with
that, I think, and no one

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knows. No one knows the secret
for that, So I can't talk like

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how they select, which is awesome. I mean that that's like, that's

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like one of the secrets that no
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you know, besides the people that
are there's there's only really people at a

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given time, yea. Um,
but you still you still have to pick

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like you and that's that was the
difference. That's why it'd be funny or

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it'd be cool to see the difference
between like Vietnam and you know, the

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Special Ops in Vietnam compared to the
Special Ops when when I was going overseas,

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because like when after after a couple
of years of fighting, um,

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the unit was getting people that had
already been overseas and they already realized they

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liked it, right, they they
they already knew that they like gunfighting.

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So the guys that we were getting, you know, are you're they're coming

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over not because they think it's just
because it's a better unit and they and

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they think it's cool. They're going
there because they know that that's they're they're

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gonna be getting it on a lot
more like they're gonna be going on way

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more missions. Right, So,
like the vetting process on the guys picking

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the unit is better because you know, almost almost every single guy after after

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like the first four or five years
that were coming to the unit. We're

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going there with experience, so they
had already been in a gunfighter too,

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they already knew that they wanted more. You know, it wasn't like pre

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nine eleven when guys were going to
the unit. They were going there like

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thinking that they that they would like
it, but they've never been in a

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gunfight. They didn't know. Oh
like Somalia's black Hawk down the Operation Gothic

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Serpent thing, a lot of those
guys hadn't gone yet, right, So

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so it would have been it'd have
been harder to pick. It would have

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been harder to get the right person
that's picking the unit because they only know,

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Like if you've never been in a
gunfight, you might think you want

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to be in a gunfight, but
until you actually in a gunfight, you're

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not gonna know if you like it
or not. So after, you know,

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three or four years after nine eleven, we were getting people that knew

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they already liked gunfighting. Interesting,
you know what I'm saying. So so

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it was it was an easier vetting
process on the mindset of that compared to

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pre nun eleven. But now,
like the unit picking the right person,

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no one knows the secret, like
on what on what they're what they're truly

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looking for, which I think is
awesome. Yeah, that's that's that's great

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that you know a guy that like
me who had been there ten years,

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and guys that have been there fifteen
twenty years, if they weren't in that

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position of the you know, to
know what they're selecting for no one else,

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which is which is cool. It's
a it's a great secret. By

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the way of folks, again,
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going on down there, because we're
gonna be you know, let this kind

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of a I don't know if you
know, probably not because I haven't talked

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to you for a little bit.
But I'm getting another doctor in an exercise

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science and I'm seeing a lot of
overlap here. And what I mean by

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that is it might take about ten
seconds, twenty seconds for me to collaborate

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on this, but what I'm seeing
as the mentality you're describing right now,

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I can see the benefit it has
for you. In other words, if

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you're not worried about getting shot,
if you're not worried about dying, you're

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only worried about one thing, winning
those gunfight. Yep. That really takes

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a lot of distractions out because just
like a baseball player or an athlete or

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mixed martial artist. I'm a big
fan of UFC, if they're worried about

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getting hit, if they're worried about
getting mounted, now they got two things

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operating. Yep. So am I
right on that. There's the same thing

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for guys. Absolutely, yeah,
because I can't send that effective for you

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if you're worried about getting shot.
I mean, yeah, it's a man

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and being on target, especially like
once you get into like the two IIC

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second in charge or first and charge
team leader, Like you're making judgment calls,

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right, So you can't be on
target worrying about getting shot, Like

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you got to be thinking about the
situation in front of you, which is

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the gun plight. You know,
where you guys are gonna go, what

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door you're gonna go to, or
you're gonna send your guys. So there's

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a lot of thinking involved on being
on target. So yeah, if you

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take the fear out of it,
and you can just it's like it's kind

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of like playing a game, right
and you're you're calling plays. But if

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you can do that calm and not
having to work, you know, not

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having that fear, it definitely makes
it easier. Absolutely absolutely applies. I

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don't know if you trained that,
I'm thinking of back of my head.

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Have you used anything like that when
you're training when you train individuals obviously more

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advanced, But do you say,
all right, we're gonna have a guy

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over there. He's gonna be shooting
red pellets at you while you're trying to

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hit the target and you're moving,
So now you have somebody moving and somebody

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getting worried about getting hit with the
target. If you get hit with the

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target, you're oute. We moved
to the next person. Have you done

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that before? Yeah, well not
not in my training, you don't.

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I don't do any sims stuff where
it's simmunitions being shot at. Not that

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that's a bad thing, but but
it is easy. Like I do a

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class, which I got another one
coming up in September. It's called Shooting

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Save and it's it's medical training along
with shooting. But at the end of

408
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.519
the second day we actually put the
guy's shoe scenarios where they're now they're doing

409
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.880
like live fire with other people shooting
around them, live fire, and then

410
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.480
there we're incorporating the med stuff into
it. And that's where it is.

411
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.079
It's interesting to watch because I'll do
all the shooting stuff, and then I

412
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.319
bring another company in to do all
the med stuff, and like I'll see

413
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.640
guys that are just switched on,
like on the shooting side right like you

414
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.200
can tell this guy's he knows what
he's doing, like on the you know,

415
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.680
the weapons hand lane and shooting,
and then you you put them into

416
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:07.559
a live fire scenario med like med
scenario, and and guys are shooting right

417
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.240
next to him and then all of
a sudden you're like, all right,

418
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.440
you're right leg shot. And then
and then after he put the turn and

419
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.240
get on, you're like, all
right, now that the mannekin has a

420
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:19.319
sucking chess wound or something, you
know. And to watch these guys that

421
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:25.400
were switched on shooting to now just
totally fall apart because their mind is now

422
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:30.400
thinking of something else. It's it's
pretty interesting to see, um huh,

423
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.480
like not being able to stay calm
and they one hundred percent. No,

424
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:40.599
it's training. It's not real keep. But people really get into like really

425
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:45.160
get into it, and they're so
worried about the med stuff and us yelling

426
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.119
at him saying, you know,
this is happening, and then you got

427
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.680
you got threat left front right,
and now they're trying to make shots and

428
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.880
they're still thinking about what they were
supposed to be doing to the to the

429
00:28:53.960 --> 00:29:00.480
patient. Like basically all everything falls
apart, which is it's it's but it's

430
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.920
cool for them to see that,
you know, like what they were doing

431
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.400
perfect on the flat range when all
they had to do is thinking about the

432
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.400
shooting. To now on they have
to think about multiple thing multiple like men's

433
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.640
stuff and shooting and people shooting around
them. Um, it's a it's a

434
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.799
good eye opener for people to be
holy crapy. I would have never thought

435
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:25.319
it was that stressful, you know, when you incorporate other things than just

436
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.359
shooting. So does it end for
them? In other words, is there

437
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.240
like an object an objective in the
sense of you gotta this guy and then

438
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.519
yeah they got killed, yeah,
and we I mean it's it's basically just

439
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.440
a lane. So like the mannequins
are out in front they have to go

440
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.160
to go to get the mannequins.
They kind of got to come up with

441
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.960
their own plan because we sent them
as a team. And then they once

442
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.440
they get the mannequins back and everyone's
treated, then we index from there.

443
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.960
Um. But can they get ended
if they get shot themselves and that's it

444
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.039
so if they failed the mission,
No, it's not like a mission.

445
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.759
I mean, it's just it's it's
literally just the lame. But I mean,

446
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.200
like if like I'll be in charge
of the shooting guy, like the

447
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.319
guys that are shooting, and so
I'll be like, they'll let barriers where

448
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.920
they were they're bringing the mannequins to
the treatment, you know. And if

449
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.720
someone if I say threat left,
and two guys pop out from behind cover

450
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.799
and start shooting when they could have
used the cover, like I'll just say,

451
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.480
okay, now you're left arm shot
or you're left leg shot because you

452
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.599
weren't shooting behind cover. You know. But that's the stuff people don't think

453
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.119
about, like because that's it's it's
kind of it's kind of can because no

454
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.799
one's shooting back at them, so
you know they will they'll they'll pop out

455
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.960
from behind cover when they probably wouldn't
if it was live, but you never

456
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.160
know that. They don't even think
about it. Like sometimes I'll say you're

457
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.839
left leg shot and here's the reason
why, and they don't even realize that

458
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:53.200
they weren't shooting from behind cover.
It's interesting because it's kind of like sometimes

459
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.519
it sounds like mixed martial arts.
Do you do any martial arts? I

460
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:03.559
did? Yeah, you boxing or
something I did. I ended up ended

461
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.160
up doing pretty much nothing but boxing, so I was I would say I

462
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:12.279
got pretty big into Brazilian jiu jitsu, and then dude, I would say

463
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.680
I got the unit more of the
mixed martial arts, like combining both.

464
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.160
But my just from all the grappling, my elbows were just totally shot.

465
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.799
Yeah. I mean it would get
to the point where I couldn't even shake

466
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.079
someone's hand, okay, and I
couldn't hold a pistol. So I stopped

467
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.160
grappling and just went to straight up, you know, stand up boxing.

468
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.640
Well, the reason I say is
because the analogy seems similar to when people

469
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.880
are learning how to box and they're
trying to teach them how to throw a

470
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:41.799
punch, and they throw a punch, but then they leave their hand down

471
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.119
and they throw the punch and they
make it tag them a little bit on

472
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:45.759
the face. Hey, keep your
hand up, keep your hand up,

473
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.039
and they're like, oh, we
go back to the punching and the kind

474
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.759
of get like that. And I'm
showing the motion folks where my left is

475
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.480
supposed to cover my face while I'm
throwing the right cross and people dropped the

476
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.960
left and then they get tagged by
the instructor. That's a good instruction,

477
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.440
right, think, because they're saying
keep your hand up, and they're kind

478
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:06.440
of the same thing with your earths
because you've you've added so much extra stress.

479
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.160
Stress and you said people don't look
to think about the guy popping up

480
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.640
on the left. Yeah, fascinating, So if that guy pops up.

481
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:19.039
But that's a good example of like
doing the basics over and over. Yeah,

482
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.599
because if you're training on boxing and
doing that, throwing those punches and

483
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.720
having your left hand or right hand
up to protect your head, you do

484
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:30.240
that thousands and thousands of reps,
even when you're not thinking straight, that's

485
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.880
still gonna come into play, right, So same thing for you, it

486
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:38.160
should happen. And same thing with
shooting. So it's like people have said

487
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:43.279
about it. A lot of people
have said, like the unit is the

488
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:50.559
masters of perfecting the fundamentals of the
basics, And that is true. You

489
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.319
do the right thing thousands or hundreds
of thousands of times, eventually when it

490
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.119
comes time to do it for real, just gonna take over. And that

491
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:05.519
that hundred percent leads into gunfighting or
like CQUB the close Scorers battle. If

492
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:12.200
if all the stuff with my hands
and my gun is straight up on autopilot,

493
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.559
when I get into a gunfight,
my brain can be thinking of the

494
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:19.400
situation in front of me. It
doesn't have to worry about getting into a

495
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.160
good stance or getting into a good
grip, or getting my hands where they

496
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.799
need to be, or you know, working the selector switch, or getting

497
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:29.640
my finger on the trigger where it
needs to be, pulling the trigger properly

498
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.200
to the rear, you know,
resetting properly, Like I don't have to

499
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.359
think about that if I've done hundreds
of thousands of reps the correct way,

500
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.599
So all that in a gunfight is
just not an autopyn So my brain can

501
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.839
one hundred percent be focused on the
situation. In funny, and that's how

502
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.640
it needs to be. That's awesome. I guess the question that would be,

503
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.960
we know, with boxing obviously can
go do it three or four times

504
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.200
a week. What would you recommend
for somebody who's in a higher level like

505
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:01.640
that? How often should they be
training situations like that well or just or

506
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.279
just shooting like the like the fundamentals
in the basics, the fundamentals in the

507
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.039
basics. And then also that's all
it is. I mean, it's it's

508
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:14.039
crazy people every and I don't I
get it for like the normal civilian,

509
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.519
they like once they do the basics, like some people realize, okay,

510
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.800
I need to start with the basics. But then after a year or two

511
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.639
year, two a couple of years
of doing the basics, like I want

512
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.920
to do the cool stuff, right, So then they end up going to

513
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.639
like the cool guy classes and doing
the running and gun and stuff. And

514
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:37.639
there's nothing wrong with that. But
it's truly just perfecting the basics. So

515
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.679
even though it's boring, and that's
what I do in my classes, like

516
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:50.239
I I'm kind of like the people
have said, like I'm known as like

517
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.679
the boring instructor, Like I like
I and I would never I would never

518
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.360
change that because I know that that's
what works. Even though it's not the

519
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:04.559
fun sex stuff. It's it's like
that. I never I never did any

520
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:10.679
like cool guys stuff at the unit
by myself. No, not one time

521
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.280
did I do that. When I
when I would go shoot the range by

522
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.440
myself and we would we would definitely
do like the running gun and stuff.

523
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.960
We do the vehicle stuff, um
me included. But ninety ninety five percent

524
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.880
of my training when I went to
the rains by myself, straight up basics,

525
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.920
just over and over, year after
year after year. It's the only

526
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.960
thing that matters. Isn't there a
picture with you holding an oozy sideways shooting.

527
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.519
I'm sure I have a video out
there like that now they are nowadays

528
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.159
you probably do. Yeah, it's
funny when you see some of these videos

529
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:53.400
with the gang members. That's not
the funny for it, but you see

530
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.440
them shooting the gun and it's kind
of clocked to the side and you're kind

531
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.840
of like, oh, yeah,
what you're doing. It's all theatrics and

532
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:05.159
the it's it's again going back to
like what people see in movies and they

533
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.400
think that's the cool stuff, and
that's what they want to do. If

534
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:13.199
you want to be a good gunfighter. You do the basics hundreds and hundreds

535
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.639
of thousands of times. So it
sounds like you're agreeing with Wyatt Or when

536
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.840
why says to win a gunfight you
has to be someone or multiple people have

537
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.239
set me some video that has gone
kind of viral. I guess, yeah,

538
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.599
and it was, and I listened
to it. I was like,

539
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:35.000
Yeah, that's exactly, That's that's
how I was. Nothing, calm,

540
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.280
collected, a sure hand. That's
the only way. You don't have to

541
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.800
be fast, just have to be
accurate and calm. Yeah, So I

542
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.360
totally agree with that, And it's
it's cool to hear that from you know,

543
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:49.559
like way back when, like he
realized that that that's so anything that

544
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.440
mattered. So yeah, it's amazing
because when I look at it, when

545
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.800
I listen to your story now and
listen to what you're talking about again,

546
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.760
it goes back to that mentalther you
had you didn't worry about that allowed you

547
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.519
to stay calm within there. Did
you also notice and sports they'll call it

548
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.119
flow um, they'll call it time
dilation where everything slows down? Did you

549
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.199
notice that? And your gunfights with
those slow and dowsking can concentrate no,

550
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.960
nothing at No. I've been I've
been asked that tons of times, and

551
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.000
I've heard of other people saying that. I don't know if they're just saying

552
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.039
that because they've heard that that was
the thing, and then they think that

553
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.719
they need to say that, No, that that never happened to me.

554
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.199
On target really like to where everything
just slowed down and like everything was clear

555
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.119
as no, I mean everything was
clear. No, I mean it wasn't

556
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:45.440
there. It was never even came
close to panic being or or being stressed

557
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.840
out. But yeah, I've never
had that like what people have said,

558
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:55.039
like everything just slows down. It's
like it's on slow more or something that

559
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.360
never happened to me. That could
happen to other people, but to me,

560
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:04.039
no, And I don't mean to
be too personal, but I know

561
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.000
as I do these interviews. We
also have a series. I do a

562
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.559
lot of podcasts, folks, but
there's another podcast I'm doing. We're doing

563
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.639
a health series. I'm interviewing doctors
small kinds of fields, and we had

564
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:19.320
a vision doctor talking about myopia.
But I'm also interviewing athletes and athletic trainers

565
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.360
and stuff. And it's kind of
interesting because athletes are really different, not

566
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.400
the same as everybody. Again,
I really think sometimes the sport picks the

567
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.000
player and they got they got stronger
feet. They have bigger feet, sometimes

568
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.559
stronger big toe, which is a
big thing in an athletic world. But

569
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.320
one of the things I learned and
I'm wondering about you, is a lot

570
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.880
of athletes, especially in baseball,
didn't just have twenty twenty. There was

571
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.400
a study done in Japan and here, but a lot of the number one

572
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.719
hitters had twenty fifteen, twenty ten, and people just never hear that.

573
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:53.039
And I'm wondering, did you have
twenty twenty or better? Better? That's

574
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.280
so funny that you wropped that up, because I've been I've been saying that

575
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:04.880
now and I never that never even
occurred to me that that was a big

576
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.760
thing. And then the last couple
of years, I've funny that you said

577
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.280
that because so you've you've Is it
like a proven thing that better people are

578
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:20.119
just like the best athletes have better
vision. I don't know about all the

579
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.719
athletes. We have one right now. We're asking at an institute that studies

580
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.880
athletes in different capacities and have an
eye area. But we know what the

581
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.280
batters. There's a lot of them
that are showing that that Eatro Suzuki was

582
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.840
one that was being done. So
I interviewed his trainer. Each Suzuki was

583
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.559
the famous Japanese baseball player for the
Yankees, and his vision was like twenty

584
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.159
twelve or twenty fifteen, but once
he got to about forty it started to

585
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.559
go to twenty twenty. And the
reason being he couldn't pick up the laces

586
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.519
of the balls the split second that
ball is coming at you ninety plus,

587
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.719
so you have to pick it up. And so I'm kind of curious about

588
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.000
because I'm getting a funny feeling everything
else is different. I totally agree that.

589
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.079
So in the last couple of years
since I've been losing in my vision

590
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.960
and it and it does suck.
Now I'm fifty years old now and and

591
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.920
i've I've been I've been saying,
like, I think that's the key,

592
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.599
like to being a better operator or
a better athlete, is all eyes.

593
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.800
What did you say you would I
never thought that when I was there,

594
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.599
because I had that perfect vision,
not that I was saying not that I'm

595
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:28.800
saying I was the best, but
I think that helped me. Why did

596
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.519
you think made me or made me
better than others. And why would you

597
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:35.920
say that? Do you think it
was able to say? Yeah, I

598
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.519
mean it. I'm just now that
now that I don't have that perfect vision

599
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.840
like I did, like I am
slower at doing things like I mean,

600
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:52.159
you just you can't like especially being
like operations like I mean, like I

601
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.360
think another thing is that now that
I've been thinking about the whole eye thing

602
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.440
and like what what does make people
the best? I do think think it's

603
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.119
like one of the one of the
biggest ones would be eyes. And then

604
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.360
after that it's like I think balance
is a huge deal too. People that

605
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.039
have really good balance are better,
maybe not on athletic side, but like

606
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:17.519
operator side, that's a huge deal. So like I this good eyes and

607
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:22.679
a and a really good sense of
balance. I think is the difference of

608
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.760
like a good operator and a great
operator. Why the balance versus a couple

609
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.079
to play for you guys, it's
just like just all the and not I

610
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.079
wouldn't say like shooting wise, but
just everything like the agility that we have

611
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.760
to have, like on target and
getting there faster and getting around things and

612
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.480
getting up and over things like I
and I could be way out, way

613
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.719
out there. But I'm like about, like, what was the difference?

614
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.880
And I think for me it was
it was eyesight and balance and then everything

615
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.280
else. You still gotta be athletic. You still gotta have great cardio,

616
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.440
you still gonna have really good endurance, you gotta have speed, you gotta

617
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:06.199
have strength, you know, to
being the best of the best. Um.

618
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.639
But yeah, I mean just just
in the last couple of years of

619
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.800
thinking about it, like what what
was the difference to me? I think

620
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.400
it was eyesight melts. Yeah,
that's interesting. Just and I don't I

621
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:22.440
don't know how to explain it,
just like overall balance on this everything you're

622
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:23.960
everything you're doing. You don't see
if I can do it for you a

623
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.239
little bit, because I know they've
been in the athletic world. They have

624
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.480
is what they're called speed, agility, and quickness. So speed is running

625
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.119
literally, so I've got to run
from this humpby right straights behind that building

626
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.039
for cover. Agility means I gotta
start dodging these things. And then quicknesses

627
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.599
hope, I gotta response back here, I gotta turn around, fire,

628
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.800
then poop, I gotta react to
this thing. So kind of like a

629
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.039
receiver or wide receiver kind of reacting. So those three I can see those,

630
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.079
Yeah, I can see those definitely
applying for you. So those three

631
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.079
things you think too. Right.
It's funny though the ice set that you

632
00:42:54.119 --> 00:43:00.480
mentioned that because I have been thinking
about that a lot. Yeah, so

633
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:07.280
I totally agree. Like really good
eyesight is the difference. What about it?

634
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:14.239
HU and find motor skills is something
else is going to be something I

635
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.360
haven't explored yet, but I have
seen some athletes have better mind, find

636
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.960
motors and more sensitive. Yeah.
Well, I think, like like for

637
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.199
precision shooting, that would be a
thing, but like for like assault type

638
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.440
stuff, I don't think that that
would be that big big a deal.

639
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.559
Okay. I mean when it came
down to like pasta rescue shots like precision

640
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.519
shooting, um, especially with the
finger, like the finger finger, that

641
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.199
would that would come into play.
Um, But like assault shooting, like

642
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.800
fast, fast shooting, big target, I don't think that's that that big

643
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.760
a deal when it comes to an
operator wise, that's fine. We're interviewed

644
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.800
in Bake BISG. He's coming back
next week a different guy than John,

645
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.400
and I remember the story he was
talking about when he was the first time

646
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.000
I ever deployed. He was in
the helicopter and he was getting ready to

647
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.599
land in Vietnam somewhere, and all
of a sudden, he was about he

648
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.440
told me, like ten feet away
from the ground and he was getting dropped

649
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:08.599
off by the helicopter. All of
a sudden, these guys popped out of

650
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:13.000
the bushes and started firing. So
they started firing, and they hit the

651
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.199
guy next to him, and he's, you know, he's helping him get

652
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.519
back into the helicopter and blood all
over his hands, and he starts telling

653
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.880
me because he's he's got a doctor
in psychology too. Now it's kind of

654
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:27.440
funny, but he said, I
try to grab my I think it was

655
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.400
a magazine. I try to grab
it. I couldn't do it because my

656
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.039
hands were so bloody, and my
fine motor skills were rocked because I was

657
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.400
so nervous. He was like twenty
one, twenty two years old, and

658
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.199
I'm trying to grab this thing I'm
getting shot at. I couldn't do it.

659
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.519
That's what kind of made me think
about the fine motor skill. Do

660
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.199
you notice that all with people you
train, people who maybe get leery because

661
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.800
of the sound of the gun worried
about the gun having issues. Yeah,

662
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.280
yeah, absolutely. I mean my
people that aren't that don't shoot a lot

663
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.880
and that aren't confident like with their
with with their weapons handling skills. Yeah,

664
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.840
that's a huge deal. And that's
that's probably the biggest thing. One

665
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.159
of the biggest things I uh,
that that I want you to get out

666
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:19.039
of one of my classes is becoming
more confident. And that's like confidence in

667
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.679
in weapons handling. So like after
two days, two days and two days

668
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.239
of a class that you're with me
or if you come back to the class

669
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:30.760
it's a five day class. Um, I'll always say to begin the class,

670
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:34.320
one of the one of the three
things that I really want you getting

671
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.960
out of my class is becoming smarter, safer, and more confident. Let's

672
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.559
see the confidence part and like and
the confidence thing is is a huge huge

673
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.480
deal. People don't have like just
thinking all the people out there in America

674
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:53.679
that have concealed carry proments, that
that carry dealing that don't actually have the

675
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.760
confidence that they can that they can
make a hospitas you shot, or that

676
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.800
they can actually manipulate at that gun
craft. So it was a lot.

677
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.239
So that is that's you know not
only the shooting an accuracy. I definitely

678
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.800
want you getting that out of my
class, but just after two days of

679
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.800
the drills that I'm putting you through
it, it's after those two days you

680
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:19.679
should feel like I can control these
guns, like I do know what I'm

681
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.480
doing right. Um, So,
yeah, you're not fidgeting, You're not

682
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.760
you're not second guesting yourself, and
you put your pistol, You're you're you're

683
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.679
bringing a rightfle up. It's a
huge deal. I got a confidence in

684
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.760
a gunfight. It was almost everything. Wow, if you don't have if

685
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:40.440
like if you if you're going if
you're going into a gunfight because you're in

686
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.039
the military and you second guess yourself
or you doubt yourself, or if you're

687
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.559
a concealed carry person you're carrying a
pistol and you you leave the house that

688
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.920
day and you're questioning if you can
make a host rescue shot fast enough.

689
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.800
Do you think you're gonna be a
good gunfighter? Okay, you're gonna suck.

690
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:00.920
Right. You have to know when
you leave that house, and that's

691
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.880
where training comes into play. You
train enough to where you have that confidence

692
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.360
to know when you leave your house
if I get in a gunfight, I

693
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:15.000
can definitely be fast enough. I
can definitely be accurate enough to not shoot

694
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.599
a friendly and that's so that's the
confidence you have to have. So those

695
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.280
those three things are like the biggest
thing I want to get out of any

696
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.519
class you come to with me.
Let me ask you this, Bob,

697
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.840
And again we're talking to Bob Killer. You can find more about him at

698
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:34.599
gamut resolutions dot com, gamut resolutions
dot com, or Killer Gamut Resolutions over

699
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.480
on Instagram. From down to Tampa
near Tampa. On a fly to Tampa,

700
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:43.840
you can check out range Works w
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701
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:45.800
range Works. UM. Let me
ask you this Bob again, another analogy,

702
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.320
but this time we're gonna go over
to the mid mixed martial arts I've

703
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.719
talked to. I've interviewed a lot
of black belts in jiu jitsu and some

704
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.880
coaches from fights, and it's interesting
to me. I should get Don fry

705
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.840
On here, But it's interesting to
me about one of the things I hear

706
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:05.519
and say a lot is people come
in here thinking they already know how to

707
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.000
fight, even though they don't know
how to fight. Is one of those

708
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.760
challenges. And I'm thinking do you
have the same thing, or people said,

709
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.960
well, I'm show me a couple
of tricks. I got this down

710
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:22.119
already. Yep. Oh, every
I would say, every single class,

711
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.320
like you have, you have people
coming that like I've been I've been shooting

712
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:35.360
guns for thirty years, Like i
know what I'm doing, and I think

713
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.119
that's I'm a I'm a pretty good
instructor. It comes to like I'm never

714
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.320
gonna look at someone that says,
hey, I've been shooting for thirty years.

715
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:43.559
I'm gonna be like, oh,
you don't know shit, right,

716
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.440
I'm gonna treat everyone equal, but
like I'm gonna show them the drills that

717
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.400
I not that I think that I
know you should be proficient at to know

718
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.599
what you're doing in a gunfight.
And then you know, like those those

719
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.119
those people that come and thought that
they were proficient, like they've been shooting

720
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.559
for thirty forty years, they know
what they're doing, you know, just

721
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.000
after a two day class, they'll
they'll both come like after the class,

722
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:14.679
come come up to me like like
I am I had no idea like where

723
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:19.239
I should have been, you know, like on gun handling and my proficiency,

724
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.719
my speed, my accuracy, on
targets. So yeah, I see

725
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:28.239
it every class. I mean,
it's crazy. So yeah, like people

726
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.960
that would come and say that they
can fight, you know, and then

727
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:37.239
you're actually fighting against someone who does
it for real. It's gonna it's gonna

728
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.960
be a big eye over right,
the same same thing, the same thing

729
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.760
I see in classes. Absolutely,
so it's almost better. It sounds like

730
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.039
to go in there with a blank
slate, or at least some mentality of

731
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:51.199
a blank slate. Yeah, yeah, yep, which which most people.

732
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.960
I mean, I think I'm fortunate
to being an instructor coming from where I

733
00:49:55.039 --> 00:50:00.320
came from. Like I said,
people know my background. Even if they

734
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.039
even if they think they know better, they're still gonna listen, you know.

735
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.239
Like it's not like going to an
instructor that has no gun fighting experience,

736
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:14.760
you know. So I I'm kind
of lucky in that aspect um.

737
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.000
But still I would never even if
someone even if someone was questioning everything,

738
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:20.760
I'm not, I don't know,
I'm not one of those guys that are

739
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:22.840
gonna be like, hey, shut
up and go to the corner, you

740
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.519
know, go to the corner.
This is the way that I've done it.

741
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:30.159
That's kept me alive for fourteen deployments
and over one thousand thousand hits because

742
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.000
the eight hundred were just at the
unit that I had the other ones at

743
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:38.760
the SF So I have experienced,
right, I mean, I've actually been

744
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:45.039
in hundreds of gunfights. Um.
So it's I have the pedigree to help

745
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:50.599
me as an instructor for people to
listen, you know. Which it would

746
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.400
be the same thing if you were
going if you were going to go go

747
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:57.599
to a class with a boxer that
had never been in the ring, like

748
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:02.480
he learned all his boxing from a
book and from watching videos, right,

749
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.159
Like, You're not going to listen
to him as much as someone who's who

750
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:12.920
has who's been in a hundred actual
fights. Right, he has a sex

751
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.920
back. It's kind of the same
thing with with with like the shooting industry.

752
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.679
Let me ask you this, I
guess society wise, I would deem

753
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:28.239
it so important for cops to kind
of see you because these guys are going

754
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.400
to get into these things. They're
the ones are really probably gonna get into

755
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.679
it, and they get the least
amount of training. Yep. And that's

756
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:40.119
the majority of my classes are elie
classes or agencies good or military. I

757
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.119
mean if I do a ton of
open Roman splitting classes, but the majority

758
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:51.880
of my classes aren't Elie and those
are the I would say, those are

759
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.679
the ones that are smart enough to
know that there's other there's other means out

760
00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:00.079
there, especially on the swat side. A lot of squat teams think they

761
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:05.599
know better and the way that they've
been trained, that's the way they they're

762
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.519
gonna do it. But the smart
ones are like, hey, there's probably

763
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.199
other people out there that have done
you know, been them a ton more

764
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.960
a gunfights that we've been into.
Like, let's see a different method,

765
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:19.440
let's see a different way of training. Um, that'll hit me up.

766
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:25.119
And that's so it's it's awesome doing
classes for those guys, Um, what

767
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:29.119
was how did you? How did
you start off the question? Because there

768
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.039
was something I was gonna say about
Ellie society. So then the other thing

769
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:42.679
you see, excuse them my bad
habit um tobacco. Yeah, Um,

770
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.719
it's very it's very interesting to see. So you don't see a lot of

771
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:52.840
Ellie guys coming on their own dime
like the open Roman classes, but the

772
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.280
guys that you do see, which
is awesome, awesome that they finally realize

773
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.519
how important. It is. But
most cops and this this is this is

774
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:06.079
not talking about SWAT, but like
most be cops, they do it for

775
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:08.599
a job, like they do it
for a paycheck, right, which is

776
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.480
horrible. Like they're not doing it
because they want to do cops stuff.

777
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.760
They're doing it because it's a it's
an easy paycheck. So not many of

778
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.920
them think that they're ever going to
get in a gun fight. Well,

779
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:23.679
the I would say ninety five ninety
eight percent of cops that come on their

780
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:30.119
own nime like you an open roma
class. Are our officers that have actually

781
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.280
been in a gunfight. Oh really? Yeah? Right? Come because now

782
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.239
because once once that cop that that
one cop that didn't take it serious,

783
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.119
never thought he was going to be
in a gunfight, never trained, never,

784
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.719
you know, never got proficient with
this fighter. Wrong that one time

785
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:50.280
he has to use it and he
sucks, you know, and now he's

786
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.960
in the fear of his life.
Now after that, they're the ones that

787
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:59.199
are now searching for for for courses
or for classes or for training because they

788
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.840
know how easy they could have got
fucking killed. Do you ever have you

789
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.679
know, it's it's unfortunate that that's
what it takes but a lot of times

790
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.159
it takes people to you know,
to be in a bad situation to actually

791
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:14.920
realize, holy crap, I need
to actually spend some time like do them

792
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:20.239
you know, like practicis do you
ever have to speak or no. I've

793
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:24.440
had I've had a couple actually called
in two classes. Yea that was actually

794
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:28.679
like hey, Jack to actually like
say they're you know, tell their experience.

795
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.800
Yeah, yeah, because it is. It's crazy of the people or

796
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.920
cops that come to like pay on
their own dime, or guys that have

797
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.280
been in officer involved shootings. I
think it'd be great for you for your

798
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.800
business as well as they haven't testimonials
and little video recordings of them and you

799
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.920
can show you may think you may
not need this, but that's what they

800
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.639
so many of them don't. They
just never think it's going to be them

801
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:58.440
that has to you know, that
has to do it. So that's scary

802
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:04.559
if that kind of a position too. If I mean they're they're just like

803
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:10.119
we were on deployment every day.
Yeah, they get any any moment when

804
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.159
they're on duty or even even off
duty, they could you know, they

805
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.000
could be in a gun fight.
Like if I was a cop I'd be

806
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.639
training my ass off every day,
like which which I did when when I

807
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.559
was at the unit, even though
it was you know, we we were

808
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.039
back in the rear, not fighting, um, but I was like,

809
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.840
you're you're always You're always training for
that next deployment, which which a cop

810
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:39.760
that's every day, you know,
the next time. So yeah, it

811
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:45.679
is. It is crazy though,
and it's a it's a it's an individual

812
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.400
thing, but it's also a department
thing, you know, like on the

813
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.599
lack of training that they give them. And I get it's it's a budget

814
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:58.360
thing. Maybe if you talk about
forcing your guys to get trained up like

815
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:04.480
they should, that would that would
be ten fifteen classes a year. Well

816
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.719
if you look at trying to get
every single officer in America trained up to

817
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.159
that standard with the round counts and
the overtime, I mean it would it

818
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.079
would be billions and billions of dollars. Really. I get that they can't

819
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.320
do it, um, But if
I was a cop on my own,

820
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:27.280
or I got my own, if
if the department wasn't sending me to classes,

821
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.000
or they weren't letting me go to
the range every every week, I'd

822
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.559
be doing on my own time,
and and I did, like I like

823
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:38.119
when I was in rangement time and
special Forces back then, and even even

824
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.679
now, they don't. They don't
get to train as much as like the

825
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:50.400
unit, not even not even really
so and as I would actually I would

826
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.559
actually spend my own money to buy
my own AMMO and go to the range

827
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:59.480
by myself. Oh wow, because
I always I always wanted to be prepared,

828
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:01.599
you know that. That was pretty
nine eleven. That was that was

829
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:07.199
before anything was going on. But
I'm never gonna go into a situation not

830
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.119
being the best. So if I
have to spend my own money to do

831
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:14.960
that, I'm gonna do that.
And I think that's what law enforcement agency

832
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.679
guys should be doing too. Unfortunately, let's see the large ones. I

833
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.079
mean you see some of these like
in Chicago law you work, I mean,

834
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.039
you're gonna every time I've all the
officers there, how many times have

835
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.719
you pulled your gun? How many
times this week? And it's like,

836
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.199
holy crap already. But then I've
interview guys from like No Offense to Fargo,

837
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.039
but out there and Fargo, how
many times have you pulled your gun?

838
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:42.440
In my career? Yeah, one
was like, oh, I can

839
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.480
see that right, because but LAPD, I'm looking at going how do you

840
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:50.679
not get training way above the normal
on that Yep. I had a best

841
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:53.119
friend. He joined LAPD when we
got out of high school. And I'll

842
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.679
never forget it was the very first
night he say, I'm going out today

843
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.320
is my first ride with the FTO
And I said, great, fun to

844
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.199
be saved. He calls me that
night. I said, how did it

845
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.400
go? My very first call?
You can tell he was really solemn,

846
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:08.800
and I knew something should happened.
I was only nineteen at the time,

847
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.880
or twenty twenty one, twenty one. I said, what happened? He

848
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.840
goes, it went to an officer
down call. That was my first call.

849
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:21.079
I said, no, kid,
what happened? He goes? Then

850
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.480
I got shot at. I was
like whoa, yeah. And he stayed

851
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.440
on for think nine years and then
it left. But I mean it happened

852
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.320
like that first day. I mean, holy can't it was an hours.

853
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.000
I think it was good. It
was a first call. It was like

854
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.679
an hour and a half into it. And for I mean and for the

855
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.639
right guy with the right mindset that
had been like, oh, I'm staying

856
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:49.119
on this job forever. Yeah,
and he did. Some people don't like

857
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.320
it. Yeah, he didn't like
it enough. He stayed out. I

858
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.400
think his dad was a copse two
brothers were cops. Everybody was a cop

859
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.480
in that family was like blue bloods
and eventually, but he he didn't have

860
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.480
the passion for it. Yeah,
he was out. I mean he didn't

861
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.840
go the whole twenty years either.
No, it's amazing again, folks.

862
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.519
Range Works highly recommended gamat resolutions dot
com. Check it out. See where

863
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:15.199
they're traveling too. He's everywhere,
it seems like right now. Take advantage

864
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.960
of it too, because he maybe
just sitting and sitting down Range Works in

865
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:20.719
the next couple of years and just
being there. So if you want him

866
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.880
to come by or I never know, definitely check it out. Well.

867
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.480
I guess they're the last few minutes
together. It feels like we've done two

868
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:35.559
podcasts. You could just split them
in half. It was funny. I

869
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.599
talked to John for like an hour
and a half, like, whoa,

870
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.920
yeah, I guess our last few
minutes. It gets really interesting to talk.

871
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.719
It didn't go the way I thought
it was going to go because we

872
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.400
went straight to mindset and really blew
that up, which was kind of fun.

873
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:51.079
Really explored a lot of different areas. I don't know if you do

874
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.920
this again back to the athlete metaphors
here, but they do a lot of

875
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.880
breathing. This is one thing I've
noticed with athletes, especially in high pressure

876
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.480
situations of so then I getting shot
at, but the bases are loaded,

877
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.000
you're making two million a year,
you got pressure on you, or you're

878
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:10.360
getting ready to advance to the next
level. Um, they recommend breathing.

879
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.519
They recommend visualization, imagery work right, think of yourself throwing that pitch,

880
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:20.119
breathe in this situation. Any of
that apply here? Would it be good

881
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.000
to visualize things? He's already shaking
his headphones, would be good to breathe?

882
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:28.960
Anything like that? Or no?
The bit well I was I was

883
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:34.719
laughing because you're talking about breathing the
visualization. I might be able to get

884
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:40.320
on board of that. But breathing
to me called total real me. But

885
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:47.199
no, that's only me like that
you know everyone else, But that was

886
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.599
that was never a factor for me, Like you know, like trying to

887
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:57.519
slow your heart right down, take
that deep fucking breath or that tactle deep

888
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:02.239
breath, which I have said that
before, Like the other people. But

889
01:01:02.360 --> 01:01:06.920
to me, like especially on like
shots, because a lot of people will

890
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.159
say, like breathe like breath control, which is a it's a fundamental in

891
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:15.000
the in the shooting fundamentals, um
that has never been a factory to me,

892
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.360
like on target actually shooting dudes that
I've never had even even come off,

893
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.880
like a two thousand full on sprint
to target. I've never had to

894
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.559
like like when I was bringing the
gun up to make that shot, like

895
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.480
actually have to slow my breathing down, like it just it just never.

896
01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:36.519
It was never factory for me.
But that's I think that's the beauty of

897
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:40.320
I think how it should be for
all sports and for everyone. You do

898
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:46.320
what works for you, like like
definitely try different things. But if if

899
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.480
if the best athletes in the world
are saying this is what you need to

900
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.719
do and that doesn't work for you, well don't force it to work for

901
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.079
you, right, I mean,
same thing with shooting. If someone's saying

902
01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:00.519
you have to have breath control before
you shoot, if that doesn't work for

903
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:07.159
you, well don't have breath control. I mean, that's I think the

904
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.079
difference between like I call bullshit through
all things because I'm I'm I'm realistic and

905
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:15.199
then and I and definitely it's just
a lot of things didn't apply to me

906
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:22.079
that most people would do. That
was a little bit weird on that.

907
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.559
Well, again, I'm wondering if
it's your unique skill set that made you

908
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.920
you were so comfortable with the gunfight
that you didn't have to worry about bre

909
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.239
you thin because you weren't getting anxious, and that that maybe that was maybe

910
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.880
that was a factor too. But
even even when I shoot, like like

911
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.440
practice shooting like that was a sniper
and Saffy went through sniper school, I

912
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:43.639
was a sniper team and then breath
controls like a big deal when it comes

913
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:47.880
to sniper shots. Not to me, like I never had to use breath

914
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:55.519
control shooting. So again, if
that helps other people be better athletically in

915
01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.039
games or better shooters, absolutely do
it. But if it, if it

916
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:05.000
doesn't apply to you, don't just
because someone else is saying do that,

917
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:09.320
don't try to make that work for
you. Because everyone's everyone's different. That's

918
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:15.199
and I think that's not that would
apply to every sport out there. And

919
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:20.079
definitely, when it comes to me, is my sport is in gunfighting,

920
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.079
Um, that's That's another big one
I put out is you do what works

921
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:28.960
for you, and that if you
truly want to become great at what you're

922
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.480
doing, you have to figure out
what works for you, not what works

923
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:36.039
for fucking ten other people. What
works for you and where that where?

924
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.920
And how you find that out is
by practicing, by putting the time in.

925
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.599
You know, a lot of people, I think a lot of people

926
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.119
do what other people do because they
don't want to put the time it.

927
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:50.400
So they want to read a book, they want to watch videos, and

928
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.199
they think, Okay, this this
guy's the best of what he's doing,

929
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.360
and this is what he's saying to
do. I'm gonna I'm gonna do exactly

930
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:00.719
what he's doing. That's not gonna
work for everyone, but people are lazy.

931
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:02.679
People don't want to put the time
in. Like if someone was saying

932
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:06.639
you want to be you want to
be an Olympic marathon runner, and you

933
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:10.960
watched one video on this Olympic marathon
running. He was telling you how to

934
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.559
run, and you were trying to
make that work. Well, that's he's

935
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.920
got different feet, different legs,
different arms, different torso, right,

936
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.280
you have to get out there and
do a ship kind of marathons to figure

937
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:25.840
out what works for you. So
the same thing, same thing with shooting.

938
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.920
So I'm big on that. It's
never the easy answer. You have

939
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.159
to put the timing. And I
think that was the difference between me and

940
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.280
others, is I put the time
in. I've figured out what actually worked

941
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:41.400
for me. That's usually from a
lot of the champion athletes too. Let

942
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.119
mean, and you have a metric
too, I'm assuming if I'm correct getting

943
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.320
correctly from of course. But the
metric you have is hitting the target.

944
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.559
That's a simple metric, just like
a picture, hitting the target and then

945
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:54.760
you hit it better with breathing or
without. Is that where you use the

946
01:04:54.840 --> 01:05:00.400
visualization? You actually focus on having
them imagine themselves draw, I fire.

947
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.920
I wouldn't say on like shooting dudes. Oh no, Like, I don't

948
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:10.719
even know if I've ever visualized.
I just I'm not calling bullshit to that,

949
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:15.000
like I think that can happen.
It's just it's funny. I was

950
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.000
just actually thinking about that today.
Didn eight mile eight mile runs? Right?

951
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:24.760
Oh? So like and I'm sorry
people that visualize, if they're running,

952
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.239
they're like, I have another five
miles to go and they're visualizing another

953
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.840
five miles. That's gonna wear on
their brain. That's good. They're they're

954
01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:35.000
gonna want to quit, right,
But if you visualize, you know,

955
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:39.360
you still have five more miles to
go, and on that last quarter of

956
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.639
mile, you'll still have like you
know, some gas left then you but

957
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.440
and that's all you're focus on,
is that the last quarter of miles,

958
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.039
the fifth you know that five more
miles that you have. I think it

959
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.320
helps you, like mindset wise,
to stay in there. No, no,

960
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.679
instead of thinking of every step and
every like okay, one more,

961
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.960
one more, just make it one
more block and then another block. Now

962
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.559
you visualize on you still have five
more miles. This is no big deal.

963
01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:04.519
Oh no, no, I think
that what they use visualization for,

964
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:10.360
like a basketball player shooting free throws, so they'll visualize let's say they shoots

965
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:12.679
the free throw, makes it.
Then they're saying, we want you to

966
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.840
visualize how that looks and how that
feels other time you do it. Yeah,

967
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:24.559
yeah, totally. I totally know
what the actual visualizeization is. But

968
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:29.000
like I'm shooting, that never was
a thing like getting off the helicopter in

969
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.719
me, like visualizing, Okay,
I possibly have three threats in the compound

970
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.039
guns coming up, I'm gonna see
their chest. No, that was never

971
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.880
that was that was never a thing
for me. But again, if that's

972
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:47.199
if that's gonna help someone else,
so yeah, yeah, yeah, actually

973
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.000
good. That thinks up a good
question. Do you do that? You

974
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:53.400
said you have guys that pop up? Do you have also those little pop

975
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.599
up targets that we've seen in the
movies with the thin pops up and then

976
01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:00.320
you shoot at it? That really
yeah, there, you're usually like turners,

977
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.719
so instead of popping up, they'll
they'll be like this and then'll they'll

978
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:05.880
turn or they'll be like this and
then all of a sudden they'll turn.

979
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:12.800
Yeah, So and that's that's really
that's awesome, awesome training, really good,

980
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.840
is it? Or if you had
to pop up target like that?

981
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:20.960
So if if you're standing there,
um that it's it's not only for making

982
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:26.960
fast shots, but it's it's really
for a targeting identification, so like like

983
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.000
seeing hands, seeing what they have, so you know, are they a

984
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:31.760
threat? Are they not a threat? So right when it comes right,

985
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.519
when it comes in, like it'll
only stay up like this for like two

986
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:41.800
or three seconds, right, and
as you are seeing that target, seeing

987
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.760
the threat, seeing the hostage and
then or if it's a hostile rescue shot

988
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.599
or not, or if it's a
threat target, you have to as the

989
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.280
guns coming up, you have to
not only see their hands, does he

990
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.360
have a gun in his hand?
Are you actually you know? Is he

991
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.280
a threat? And then once you
identify it's a threat, well then you

992
01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.719
guys see you know, is there
a hosses next to him? Like where

993
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.000
am I going to shoot him?
So like targets I got are awesome like

994
01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:11.320
for training wise identifying threat or old
threat. Yeah, that's really that's really

995
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:15.119
all they are. Like shooting one
thing. But when you actually get into

996
01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:19.039
further down the road of actually gun
fighting, like you not only have to

997
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:24.520
be accurate fast, but you also
have to be able to identify is that

998
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:29.800
a threat that I'm going to engage
or not? I mean it's it's a

999
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.680
that's probably the separation of like like
good shooters and and bad ass shooters,

1000
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.800
right guys, Guys that can make
that decision and that split second as the

1001
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.880
guns coming up to actually see those
hands and to Yep, he's a threat

1002
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:45.880
and I'm going to shoot him in
the chest. Hope, Wait, he's

1003
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.439
got body arm round. Nope,
not shooting the chest and shooting in the

1004
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:55.600
face. That's all stuff that has
to happen in a nano second. So

1005
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:58.800
so yeah, once you once you
get the shooting down, then it is

1006
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.680
coming like the other thing that comes
into play has actually been able identified threats

1007
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:08.119
or now. I had two questions
before I interviewed you today. Somebody,

1008
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:13.399
Oh, can you ask him this? Can you ask him? One was

1009
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.920
do you like those guns? I
guess he saw it on Amazon and they

1010
01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:19.800
have guns where they have like a
little red light. You quickly draw it

1011
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.840
and then you pick the red light
on it. He said, Can that

1012
01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.079
helpful while I'm sitting there watching a
movie? Would that be helpful of train

1013
01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:33.479
on it? Is it the is
it the like the dry fire? Yeah,

1014
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:39.159
it's like a dry fire gun thing
he had. Yeah, but you

1015
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.720
put it on target and then you
dry fire it and then it shows you

1016
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.399
like like how accurate you were,
how the gun moved, you know,

1017
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.680
with your trigger pull. Let me
see what his text said. That's where

1018
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.199
it is. The guy, I
don't. I don't actually use those,

1019
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:56.319
but I would never That's a good
training tool. Yes, any anything to

1020
01:09:56.479 --> 01:10:00.720
get you to do drive fire is
a good tool. It's a dry fire

1021
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.800
laser training thing. Yeah, okay, dope matter. You can get the

1022
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.239
same thing out of that by just
watching your front sight, so like,

1023
01:10:09.439 --> 01:10:11.960
or your red dot on target.
So like, if you're red dots,

1024
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:14.680
if you just have a red down
in your pistol or in your rifle,

1025
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.039
you put it up on target as
you as you're screening the trigger. If

1026
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.199
you watch that red dot stayed dead
still on that on the spot of the

1027
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:25.279
target that you're shooting, you know
you have a perfect pull. Do you

1028
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.960
say that red dot move just a
little bit over the right, You probably

1029
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.039
know your trigger pull yanked over the
right. But that's it's it's the same

1030
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:36.760
thing as what the what the laser
does. Well. Then the other question,

1031
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:42.039
actually it wasn't from him. The
other question was he saw this I

1032
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.000
guess on some I don't know what
he saw it on. He doesn't mention.

1033
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.800
I guess some cock shower something.
They have a couple of guys that

1034
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:51.800
were wearing a m The holster wasn't
on the hip, it was on the

1035
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:56.479
thigh. Have you seen those where
they have a thing wrapped around the thigh.

1036
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:00.960
I guess I wanted to know what
your take on that is UM,

1037
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:06.359
so they're they're definitely doable when you're
on the range. So they're they're called

1038
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:12.079
drop down holsters that go on your
thigh, and we actually we use those

1039
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.359
for years, UM when I went
through OTC, we actually use that.

1040
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:19.000
I use the drop leg holster when
it comes to operational stuff like doing it

1041
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:25.720
for real, Like if you're running, even if you're running twenty yards,

1042
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.000
they got a full sprint. If
you have that thing wrapped on your thigh,

1043
01:11:30.079 --> 01:11:32.680
it's gonna move like that pistol will
be in the front of your leg.

1044
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.560
It'll be you know, behind your
leg. They don't stay stable there.

1045
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:44.279
I would if you're if you're if
whoever asked if you're, if you're

1046
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:47.000
thinking about buying one, I would
say absolutely not, Like, but you

1047
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:51.399
can buy like the half drop down
lung half drop down so they're still on

1048
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:55.199
your belt. They come down a
little bit a little bit further, so

1049
01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:59.439
it clears it if you're wearing body
armor, like it's not gonna be up

1050
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.640
against your armor, but they'll still
they'll still stay on your belt. But

1051
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:08.239
if you have a full drop down
holster that's on your thigh, you're when

1052
01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:12.159
you're actually doing stuff for real,
They're all over the place. So now

1053
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.119
if you if you have to draw
your holster or if you if you have

1054
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.119
to drive your pistol and your hand
comes down to where you think it usually

1055
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:21.039
is, it's usually not gonna be
there. Not a drop down holster.

1056
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:28.159
Interesting for training wise, they're fine
because usually most people shoot static like there's

1057
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.840
there's they're not moving, so it's
always going to be there. But when

1058
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.760
you actually start moving around, those
things move all over the place. Why

1059
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:36.680
didn't they do it was a faster
grab or what was the reason for that?

1060
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:41.199
You don't have to lift up your
elbow or I don't know if it's

1061
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:45.199
a faster draw. So I mean
usually with body armor, people don't want

1062
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:50.800
the gun high up on their belt
because now the body armor is either over

1063
01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:55.159
the over the pistol or is riding
on the pistol, so it is hard

1064
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:58.479
to get it out. So if
you put a drop leg on, now

1065
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.479
it's away from your body armor.
You can get you can get pistol a

1066
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.000
lot. That's where the half the
half drop downs came in, so they're

1067
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.239
not all the way down to your
thigh, but they do clear body armor.

1068
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:15.800
Um I still so I put my
body armor higher up on my on

1069
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:21.079
my torso, and I kept my
pistol on my belt. It's it's just

1070
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:27.159
screwed around with your with your kit, knowing you know again you have to

1071
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.680
go the reins. You go outside
and screw around with it. Um,

1072
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:33.920
I get to where your your pistol's
not gonna be moving around and then you

1073
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:41.079
adjust your kit off of that.
Good advice and good advice. Well,

1074
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.680
I think that's about ready to wrap
us up. We've been together for a

1075
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.800
long time today. Yeah, it
was a great conversation. I really enjoyed

1076
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.239
it a lot because it took a
different direction. I never really think about

1077
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.960
him a whole lot ahead of times. I know, I asked one question

1078
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:59.680
and these are rabbit holes. That's
where it ended up today. Yeah,

1079
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:01.159
so folks, again, if you
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01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:06.199
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1083
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:16.159
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1084
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out. They're not toys, folks.

1085
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:24.359
You definitely don't want to play around. Bob. I can't thank you enough

1086
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:29.039
for doing this again. Yeah,
let's do it again. Yeah. I

1087
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.920
think I think your idea was great. We should bring John back, and

1088
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:35.560
I think it'd be cool. Nayton
and I think that'd be a lot crazy

1089
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.600
time. John's characters as well,
and they will be a fun time.

1090
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:44.359
Yeah, talking about those stories.
Thank you everyone, Yeah, thank you

1091
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.079
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