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The Cincinnati Bengals need a new 10 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:48.039 offensive coordinator. Let's talk about the latest and what the requirements will be for 11 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:52.960 the Bengals to fill that job. You are Locked On Bengals, your daily 12 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:59.719 Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast Network, Your team every 13 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:19.560 day Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 14 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.920 I'm Jake, Lets go, He's James Rapine. We are the lockdow On 15 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.200 Bengals podcast. You can find the show on YouTube or anywhere you get your 16 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.079 podcast. Part of the locked on podcast Network, covering your team every day 17 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:33.280 in this episode brought to you by Prize Picks, where we're going to talk 18 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.000 more about the Bengals future at offensive coordinator. 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Think he's still the first choice for the Bengals, 27 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.120 but the Bengals do have a process to go through here, no doubt in 28 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.879 he is their first choice. I would be shocked if he wasn't. If 29 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.520 you want to call him the front runner, call him that because that's what 30 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:30.560 he is. But he has options and Dan Pitcher didn't know for sure that 31 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.599 Brian Callahan was going to get a head coaching job, and so he had 32 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.759 to do his due diligence like he did last year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 33 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.840 And it turns out that NFL teams are impressed when you not only help 34 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.199 Joe Burrow become the quarterback that he's become, but you helped Jake brown And 35 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.080 go four and three down the stretch and post historic numbers over his first four 36 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:54.080 starts and help the Bengals win three straight games. All of the above, 37 00:02:54.159 --> 00:03:00.199 right, Dan Pitcher's it's risen. His profile has risen this year. He 38 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.680 was able to do with Burrow goes without saying, but obviously what he did 39 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:07.319 with Jake Browning. And I think Zach Taylor deserves credit too, because he 40 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:13.879 hasn't shied away whether it's Brian Callahan or Dan Pitcher when we ask about them, 41 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.080 when asked about, oh, how valuable is Brian or how valuable is 42 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:21.400 his pitch? He gives so much credit to those guys. And I don't 43 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:24.120 think it's lip service. I think it's how he genuinely feels. So now 44 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:30.439 that Brian is Nashville bound, and I'm sure that'll become official at some point 45 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.680 this week, and Hobe he announced and we'll see him in blue and all 46 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:39.159 of those things. Well, Dan Pitchers is the focus for this Bengals organization. 47 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.759 I have no doubt about that. But to your point, there is 48 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.080 a process. They're not just going to hire a pitcher. They'll conduct multiple 49 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:53.840 interviews. And at the same time, I still think Dan Pitchers it's his 50 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.879 job. I don't even want to say to lose because we can get into 51 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.840 the scenarios of how he does it become Bengals offensive coordinator, but he's certainly 52 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:05.240 the favorite for that job. I think thing is his job. To lose 53 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:09.879 is fair Like if he doesn't want it, that that counts as a way 54 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:14.039 he would lose it. I think that does it have to Does he lose 55 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.040 it if he picks somewhere else? I don't think that. I feel like 56 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.959 that. I mean, it's his job, right Like if he wants the 57 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.800 job, the Bengals I think want him to be the offensive coordinator. Zach 58 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.879 Taylor wants him to be the Bengals sacks offensive coordinator. I think that's the 59 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.399 point that I was trying to make in retorts there. Sure, what do 60 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.279 you think it comes down to then they stop. Some other interviews, we 61 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.000 can get into the process part, the behind the scenes. What's your biggest 62 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.360 thought here concern? Because I have one and I want to know if you 63 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.240 feel the same way. I think the two I think there's two, one 64 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.680 more than the other, one a little bit more nebulous than the other. 65 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.120 But one that is very obvious is money. The other one that I think 66 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:06.160 is also fairly obvious is responsibility in terms of specifically play calling, which has 67 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.279 been discussed quite a bit. We've talked about it on this podcast as well. 68 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.839 Does dam Pitcher want to call plays? Probably? Yes, probably, 69 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.560 if you're going to be an offensive coordinator in the NFL, you would prefer 70 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:23.120 to call plays given the option, But it's not necessarily as simple as just 71 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:28.839 that. You also have to think about the opportunity. After you've seen your 72 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:32.680 former boss Brian Callahan get a head coaching job, and your trajectory, what's 73 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.480 going to give you the best coach the best chance of becoming a head coach. 74 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.639 If that is Dan Pitcher's goal, what you would imagine it is for 75 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:44.639 many of these coaches in the NFL. The opportunity to be a head coach 76 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.319 of an NFL team is an ultimate lifelong dream, and that's where they want 77 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.000 to be. That's the top of the mountain. And then taking your team 78 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:55.759 to success as a head coach obviously after that. But those are the factors 79 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:00.240 that I have to imagine are in play for Dan Pitcher if it is as 80 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.560 simple as he's making a choice and has a few teams to choose from, 81 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:08.000 because we know now officially reported, we've hinted at it and talked about the 82 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.480 Patriots, certainly, but in addition to New Orleans who wants him for a 83 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.199 second interview, scheduled to fly to Vegas, scheduled to meet with the Patriots. 84 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.680 Probably by the time you've listened to this, he's met with the Patriots. 85 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:23.519 So there are other teams interested in the services, and the Bengals are 86 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:30.800 competing with some teams that don't necessarily offer the same you know, offensive personnel 87 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.759 in terms of they don't have Joe Burrow, but could offer other things to 88 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:40.040 try to pry them away. Yeah, it's interesting because the money factor, 89 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:42.920 it's simple. If Zach Taylor values him the way I think he does, 90 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.560 if Joe Burrow values him the way I think Joe Burrow does well, then 91 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:55.079 why why wouldn't the Bengals be willing to get close or figure out money wise 92 00:06:55.120 --> 00:07:00.519 how to make it work. I think that part's easy right in the At 93 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.759 the same time, the Bengals are probably like, well, this is a 94 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:08.319 hot job. No, no, no, the money part shouldn't be a 95 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:14.240 factor. They have the money for it, and so money was mine and 96 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.920 that would be the one thing that to me cannot be the hang up. 97 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.879 We can get into the play calling in a second. But if I'm not 98 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:23.959 saying we found this out or we will find this out. But let's say 99 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.680 the Raiders offer a one point five million per whatever, and I don't know 100 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:29.839 if that's the case. I have no idea, But let's just say, 101 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:31.360 let's just say it's a million. Let's make it easier, and the Bengals 102 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.519 are at seven hundred thousand dollars, Well, then just go to the million 103 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:39.160 and get your guy. Because Zach loves them and Joe loves them, it's 104 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:45.560 pretty easy to me. And yet we'll see, right Jake, if that's 105 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:50.800 the hang up or not. There is a process, And like we talked 106 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:55.199 about, there are all these factors out there play calling. Is that a 107 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.959 big deal? For Dan Pitcher. Maybe we'll find out about that eventually, 108 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.120 maybe not. Maybe the Bengals will budge there, maybe not. But you're 109 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.160 right. If it's money and that's the difference, just do it. It 110 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.759 can't be. That's the one thing that isn't acceptable. I want to get 111 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.639 into the play calling part because I think that there's that's more interesting. Yeah, 112 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:22.519 because if Dan Pitcher is demanding play calling duties, I have some thoughts 113 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.879 on it, that's all. But curveball, we didn't plan this. I 114 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:30.600 pulled a clip from Joe Burrow of Joe Burrow discussing Dan Pitcher. Should we 115 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.559 toss to it? We shall? It seems like you've got a really good 116 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.600 relationship with a picture with Dan Pitcher. You guys have similar personalities. Is 117 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.480 that true? Yeah? I would say that, and I think that's why 118 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.919 we mess so well in the meeting room and on the sideline. We have 119 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.840 a great working relationship. And you know, really, I say this all 120 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.279 the time, but I couldn't ask for a better group of coaches for for 121 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.919 my skill set and for what I do. That's Joe Burrow after or ahead 122 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.639 of the AFC Champion Chip Game, January twenty seventh, last year ahead of 123 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.039 the game against the Chiefs. Clearly he's on board with Dan Pitcher and likes 124 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.960 how Pitcher has helped him develop. That's the quote that I referenced in our 125 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.639 bonus episode. But better to hear it, of course, from Joe Burrow 126 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.000 directly than to hear from me. I think we can all agree on that 127 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.879 without much debate. A lot more to talk about, I think around the 128 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:26.399 future of the Bengals OC position, some other coaches that some fans are excited 129 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:31.000 about the requirements that the Bengals have to meet in order to actually make a 130 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.120 higher at OC and potentially quarterbacks coach as well, So we can continue that 131 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:41.559 conversation coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by Prize Picks. 132 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.679 Prize Picks is the largest daily fantasy sports platform in North America, the easiest 133 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.559 and most exciting way to play DFS because it's you against the numbers, you 134 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.679 versus the Prize Picks projections. You don't have to worry about pros Sharks, 135 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.120 thousands of other players. 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James, there are some hot names on the OC market, so 165 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.679 we talk about those and some of the people that some fans in particular, 166 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:58.879 I think I've seen quite a bit of chatter on social media about in the 167 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:07.759 last twelve to twenty four hours since Brian Callahan was poached away by the Tennessee 168 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:13.159 Titans. Where do you want to go? Real quick? There's a scenario 169 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:18.320 where if I'm the Bengals, I tell Dan no if the numbers are the 170 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.879 same money wise, but he's demanding to call plays, I would say I'm 171 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:30.120 good and Zach, I'll ty call his bluff and also be comfortable with letting 172 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.879 Dan leave because Dan could be awesome. And this is nothing personal, but 173 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:39.639 the Bengals offensive coordinator job, regardless of who's calling plays, is one of 174 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.840 the best jobs in the league when it comes to getting a shot at becoming 175 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.120 a next head coach. That is a better job than the Raiders' offensive coordinator 176 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:48.919 job. I don't care if you're calling plays. I don't care if you're 177 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.240 setting schedules. I don't care what you're doing. I don't care if they 178 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.360 give you a Lambeau to drive to practice every day. It doesn't matter. 179 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:00.480 It's not as good of a job. And we heard why about oh three 180 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.120 minutes ago, Joe Burrow. We heard from him, right, Joe Burrow. 181 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.960 There's no Joe Burrow in New England. They might have a top pick 182 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.639 Okay, that's fine. It's still there's a lot of risk there. There's 183 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.720 a lot of risk. Move in your family to Vegas. Then Pitcher could 184 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.840 stay right here, assuming the money's the same enough, the money is different. 185 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:18.159 I'm not counting your pockets, I get it, But from a play 186 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:24.360 calling standpoint, there's as much risk as there is reward with that. Ask 187 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:31.000 ask the Eagles offensive coordinator Brian Johnson how quickly those things can change their stability 188 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.879 here if the money's the same. I mean, on the Bengals, I 189 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:39.519 wouldn't necessarily give Dan Pitcher the play calling duties unless Zach decides he wants to 190 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.159 do that anyways, But I wouldn't do that to keep him here. I 191 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.919 think that's too much. That's interesting. I wonder how much of a how 192 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.440 much they feel that way. I think that they may really value Pitcher and 193 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.519 may be willing to do that to keep him, just because it would mean 194 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.039 that there's this coach that they really liked, that they've developed, that they've 195 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.720 seen grow into the role he's in right now where he is a very in 196 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.840 demand offensive coordinator and or very in demand candidate for offensive coordinator jobs. I 197 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.279 guess we should say maybe that's something that they're willing to consider. Maybe not. 198 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.799 Maybe to your point, Zach Taylor says, I'm gonna do it. 199 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.639 This is a great job. I feel like I can replace with any number 200 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.440 of very valuable candidates. And the Bengals well go through an interview process we 201 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:28.799 keep alluding to, they're required to, in fact, and so maybe they 202 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.480 feel that way, maybe not. We'll find out, likely very soon about 203 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:39.639 some of these questions. I just think it's interesting, and yeah, there's 204 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.000 also the question of whether or not that would be good, whether or not 205 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.279 you know, you talk about potential growing pains as a play caller, and 206 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.279 on the other hand, you talk about potentially changing it up and some benefits 207 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.000 that could come from a different primary play caller. That there's two sides of 208 00:14:54.039 --> 00:15:01.080 that, no doubt, and so I tried to true my words very carefully 209 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.720 there not to you, but just to be clear, I would not if 210 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.600 I'm Zach Taylor give up play calling to keep Dan Pitcher, if that's the 211 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.279 reason you're doing it. If the reason you're doing it is because you think 212 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.639 that it's going to make the team better and potentially raise the level of the 213 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.039 offense and help you become a better head coach and help the team because you 214 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.000 think Dan is just this awesome play call, like potential play call, like 215 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:26.240 if you think the upside is there, that's different than ah, you know, 216 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.440 Dan coming to the table saying, Hey, the Raiders are giving me 217 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.559 play calling duties and X amount of money. You're giving me X amount of 218 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.679 money, but I want play calling duties or I'm leaving. It's it's one 219 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.519 of Joe Burrows in this building song. That's all. That's all I said. 220 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.639 It's one of those things where pitcher has a leverage to ask for it, 221 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.720 right, And while that shouldn't You're right, shouldn't be bullied into it 222 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.320 or anything like that. If you're tailor and you're thinking about the upside like 223 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.480 you just said, and you've come to the conclusion that, oh yeah, 224 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.919 well, then I can you know, focus more on these other things instead 225 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.320 of having to think about play calling. That's a something that I can delegate 226 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.360 that will free me up to do other things better. And I think Picture 227 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.279 will be really good at it. It's just an opportunity to think about it, 228 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.759 right, It's an opportunity to entertain the possibility and then if you reach 229 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.879 that conclusion because that's the only way it happens. I don't think that that 230 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.559 would be just, you know, a blackmail kind of thing, like hey 231 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.840 man, I'm going to leave you don't give me play calling, right Like, 232 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:26.039 I don't think that would play I don't think that would be a healthy 233 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.120 environment for your OC head coach relationship going forward. But it's just you know, 234 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.159 you sit back and you think about it when presented with that argument, 235 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.240 and then maybe you come to that conclusion like you said, sure, yeah, 236 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.480 And it's an interesting dilemma for sure. And I think we both know 237 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.919 Zach Taylor doesn't want to lose both these guys and he lost one of them, 238 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.120 so and you know who else knows that. Damn Pitcher knows that. 239 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.440 So it's just an interesting dynamic. And it is business, the business side 240 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.519 of it. So we'll see there. But to your point, there are 241 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.519 a lot of names being thrown out there as far as is that where you 242 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:10.400 wanted to go the Brady scenario. Oh man, people on social media talking 243 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.480 about Joe Brady a couple of things. He's still the offensive coordinator of the 244 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.400 Bills, and I know he has that interim tag. But unless there's some 245 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.759 kind of sign of them wanting to move on from him and or Sean McDermott. 246 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.680 You think Joe Brady's going to just say, oh, well, I'm 247 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.519 the interim right now, but I'm gonna leave even though I have a real 248 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.480 shot to be the OC here and I'm going to be the OC here. 249 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.880 That's where he probably knows he's going to be to not call plays or even 250 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.599 call plays, let's say in Cincinnati. Like I just it is so pie 251 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:47.279 in the sky unrealistic. And it's because Brady is in Buffalo with Josh Allen. 252 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.759 This isn't the Raiders OC job. It's a real OC job, a 253 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:53.000 good job, and so I think unless there's a real shake up to that 254 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.799 staff in Buffalo, I don't think he'll be available. And it's not like 255 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:00.359 the Bengals could just request him right now because he is an OC so they 256 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:04.880 couldn't bring him in right now. And so I think it's a lot of 257 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.960 unrealistic thoughts, even though I do get it because Joe Brady's interesting, but 258 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.839 I just don't think he's available. I don't think he's available either. The 259 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.759 one interview request we've seen for Joe Brady was for a head coaching job. 260 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.279 The Atlanta Falcons wanted to talk to Joe Brady about being a head coach. 261 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:27.480 So if he becomes available and he becomes somebody who's just a free agent, 262 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:32.400 oh see, sure he should be one of the guys you interview. Absolutely, 263 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:37.039 but I agree with you that it doesn't seem like he is available. 264 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.079 And if he is available, it seems like he's available for head coaching jobs, 265 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.160 because that's the only thing that we've seen. So I don't know the 266 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:49.839 legality. I don't know if there's protections around interim tags or if it's something 267 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.839 you're allowed to request. I mean, I think you can request it. 268 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:59.039 The Bills could deny it. And that's the element of this is the Bills 269 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:06.880 could deny it. You can't deny a promotion, promotion correct from the promotion. 270 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:14.160 So I think it's unrealistic because and who knows, maybe the Bills are 271 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.559 fed up with Joe Brady after eight games or whatever it is. But unless 272 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:22.240 they fire McDermott, don't we think Brady's probably staying there makes sense to minded 273 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.000 head coach, and they elevated Joe Brady for a reason. Yeah, and 274 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.680 even if Brady were to become a free agent coach. He's going to be 275 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:34.960 looking for an opportunity to continue to call plays, I think, And there's 276 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:41.720 your element similar argument around Dan Pitcher, like I can work with Joe Burrow 277 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.160 again, but Zach's calling the plays or you know how important is that to 278 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.519 Joe Brady. People might be lined up to throw money at Joe Brady, 279 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.119 Like I said, he's getting He got a head coaching interview with the Atlanta 280 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.839 Falcons after the Atlanta Falcons talked to Bill Belichick for the second time. So 281 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.559 maybe it's just not going very well with Bill Belichick in Atlanta. But they're 282 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:06.160 looking they're casting a wide net in Atlanta. And if you're getting considered her 283 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.160 head coaching jobs, taking an OC job in study, you can't call plays 284 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.400 potentially, I don't know. So the Bengals explored if he's available, Yes, 285 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.519 is he available? I doubt it. That's and that's what I keep 286 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:21.000 coming back to. If he is available, interview him, even with Pitcher, 287 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:22.799 interview him. By the way, the Raiders, who are obviously interested 288 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.720 in Pitcher, they're interviewing former Bengals QB coach in Brown's OC Alex van Pelt 289 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.880 for the Raiders oc job this week. Loop Getsy is another name that's been 290 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.279 mentioned for that Raiders job, so the Raiders casting a pretty big net as 291 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:40.839 well. Let's discuss some of the procedural things that we mentioned that the Bengals 292 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:45.359 will have to interview multiple coaches, so let's dive into that coming up next. 293 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.119 Today's show is brought to you by eBay Motors Passion, Drive in Patience. 294 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.440 What brings home the winning trophy is also what keeps your ride or dial 295 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.680 live. eBay Motors has everything you need to maintain your vehicle and level it 296 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.480 up to peak performance, from superchargers, roof racks, exhaustkits, led headlights, 297 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.920 and more. 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Marvin Lewis hired Alex Van Pelt in twenty eighteen coach. 320 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:47.319 I think he's a coach, yeah, I mean we were pretty happy about 321 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:51.160 that hire for the Bengals back in twenty eighteen. It was exactly for a 322 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:55.359 little bit. Zach kept him for a year before he was hired away by 323 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.480 the Cleveland Browns to be their offensive coordinator or was the quarterbacks coach there? 324 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:07.960 First offensive coordinator was initial higher for Kevin Sefanski and Cleveland so Raiders looking at 325 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.319 some of Marvin's old friends. Marvin Lewis of course said to be part of 326 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:18.000 that staff with Antonio Pierce. But the Bengals have some requirements to meet before 327 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:23.519 they are allowed to make an official hire at offensive coordinator. This would also 328 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:29.559 apply to quarterbacks coach, I believe, But for coordinator positions in the NFL, 329 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.319 the Rooney Rule does apply. It was expanded in twenty twenty one and 330 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:34.960 potentially further since then. If you look at the operations website on the NFL 331 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:41.440 about the Rooney rule, it says that for coordinator jobs, one external minority 332 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:48.519 candidate must be interviewed before a team is allowed to make a hire at coordinator. 333 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.240 I think that's been expanded to two. It appears that that's been expanded 334 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:56.200 to two. Kelsey Conway has some good reporting around that those interviews can be 335 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.599 virtual, they can be in person, So the Bengals could be as we're 336 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:04.440 recording this episode, James conducting a couple of virtual interviews with some external candidates 337 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:10.720 to meet that requirement, or because there are some people that Zach Taylor knows 338 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:17.240 and is interested in as offensive coordinator options. The Rooney rule is in place, 339 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.200 the Bengals must meet that requirement. We can talk about the Rooney Rule 340 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.119 and its faults and its shortcomings if we wanted to, I personally, just 341 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:30.119 to get off my soapbox here, if I can think it's a flawed rule. 342 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.319 It leads to sham interviews. Hopefully that's not the case with the Bengals 343 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.880 here, but we know that Dan Pitcher is their top priority. We've talked 344 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.359 about that a lot, and so hopefully any interviews they have with external candidates 345 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:47.039 are legitimate and maybe one sways them. But that is a requirement that the 346 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.119 Bengals must meet before they announced an official offensive coordinator of the future. One 347 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.960 coordinator, and I hope it's a real interview. I would reach out to 348 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.559 Brian Johnson, the loldego ZOC. That would be some that would be on 349 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.359 my list. Now I look just to see if there were any ties to 350 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:08.400 Zach and they're not. And that's a factor certainly another one. And I'm 351 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:14.440 not even listing names for a rooty rule. I just mean potential targets because 352 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.200 you just never know. Zach Robinson continues to get interviews and quarterbacks coach of 353 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:23.440 the Rams was in LA when Zach was as well. I think those are 354 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.599 two names. And then the other one in this again has nothing to do 355 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.440 with the rule, but I want to mention Troy Walters. I think Troy 356 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:36.200 Walters. Let's say Dan Pitcher specifically wants to go to Las Vegas because he 357 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.519 likes the slots right because it's sure as hell asn't because of quarterback play. 358 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.359 Well, if he does that, Troy Walters would be on my list, 359 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:47.079 and pretty high on my list. I think Troy gets it. So I 360 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:51.079 think the Bengals there are candidates not named Joe Brady, not named Dan Pitcher 361 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.400 that they should look at, or will look at, or at least will 362 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.680 discuss and to your point, they will conduct a couple of interviews as well 363 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:06.319 as go look at the players coaches that are in the current coaching carousel. 364 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:11.960 That there are some connections with Zach Taylor historically and that's a good place to 365 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.960 find potential candidates a lot of the time. And Zach told Dave Lapham on 366 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.480 Dave Laphams Show that there's some guys he knows that he's potentially going to want 367 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.279 to talk to, some guys he wants to get to know, and they 368 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:27.920 will have to go through those interview processes. One more quick thing as far 369 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:33.519 as Dan Pitcher, there are two reasons why he could still take the interviews 370 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.359 even if things are going well Bengals wives, and he thinks the first one 371 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.960 pretty simple. They still have to do business as usual and make sure that 372 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.680 they meet the requirements of the Rooney Roll, and they do want to look 373 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.079 elsewhere. So even if they do think that they're going to get an agreement 374 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.400 in place officially with Dan Pitcher, maybe that's something that happens after he interviews 375 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.039 with the Patriots today or interviews with the Raiders and flies to Vegas. The 376 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.960 other part of this, if you'r Dan Pitcher and you're thinking about becoming a 377 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.519 head coach next offseason or the off season after taking these cross country flights, 378 00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.279 going on in formal interviews. That doesn't hurt you, No, Like that 379 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.440 experience is valuable. So I think there are a couple of reasons why he 380 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.680 might do that. Valuable experience, valuable connections. Even if it's not OC 381 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.519 this year, maybe it's head coach next year for the New Orleans I don't 382 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.039 know, New Orleans Saints, Las Vegas Raiders. Probably not the New England 383 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.480 Patriots. Probably not the Raiders either, but it is the Raiders. But 384 00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:34.079 hey, the Saints. Do you know something, Jake oh Man, I 385 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:40.799 know nothing to be abundantly clear about this, but for a number of reasons, 386 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.680 Maybe the Bengals are blown away in one of their external candidate interviews that 387 00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.160 they conduct because they will have to do at least two. Maybe the Bengals 388 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.519 are blown away in some other capacity. But I do believe that their top 389 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.240 priority is retaining the services of Dan Pitcher based on the things that we understand 390 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.480 right now. Troy Walter is by the way, just in case you're wondering, 391 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.279 does not deify any Runey Rule requirements because he is an internal candidate. 392 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:11.599 The Runey Rule requirements specifically specify external minority candidates. So we'll see if we 393 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.480 get some reporting around interviews being completed potentially with the Bengals. You might see 394 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:21.039 some of those between the time of our recording episodes. We're recording this, 395 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.559 we're going to publish it. Then you might see some reports of Bengals OC 396 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.440 interviews being completed before you hear from us next. But we will have you 397 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.160 covered as soon as possible after the Bengals make some moves here on the OC 398 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.039 front and we get some more clarity around what will be going on with that 399 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:42.160 position for the Bengals going forward, And until then, we appreciate you listening 400 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:47.079 to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Who Day, and have a 401 00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:47.480 good one.