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DeShawn take covers the NBA primarily in
Atlanta is where he is based, but

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that doesn't stop him from reaching out
and finding all that is NBA related to

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cover and you can follow him on
x at Tate's Take on Hoops and he

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joins us here to talk a little
bit about free agency, the Pistons and

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specifically Kate Cunningham. DeShawn and we
appreciate the time very much. Happy early

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holiday to you and your family.
Kate Cunningham reportedly set to sign a five

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year, two hundred and twenty six
million dollar extension. Why do you think

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that's so important for the Pistons?
Number one? And what do you think

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it says about him and the Pistons
relationship? Number two? Great relationship for

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sure. You know, I'm kind
of moving backwards here and thank you again

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for having me, but obviously there's
got to be some sort of a great

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relationship there. And I don't know, I mean it kind of in terms

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of Kate. Let's just be honest
about something here for a second. The

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vibe, the energy, and the
feel is that this is essentially and this

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is no disrespect to Kate, although
it may sound like it a little bit

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but he's like, he's like the
ugliest pretty girl at the party, you

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know what I mean. It's like, you gotta pay somebody. Somebody's got

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to be the guy. Somebody's got
to be the one, like Kate.

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I don't know if I love Kase. I don't know. What they're asking

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of Kate to do is necessarily is
necessarily something that's going to take them to

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the next level. That being said, is he worth two hundred and twenty

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six million dollars? Many people will
probably say no, But because you got

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to pay somebody, and he's a
face right now this franchise, and he's

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going to be the guy. But
it is a it's certainly a boatload of

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money, uh, into what today's
market, to be honest with you,

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which is the elephant in the room
that sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Uh. They're you know, obviously
looking at the way today's landscape is and

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paying guys and so forth. I
mean, one thing you can't disagree with

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is that Kate is not the reason
why things looked the way that they did

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last year. That's for sure,
agreed one hundred percent. You know,

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I think the money is one thing, but you want to win. You

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want to be around a winning culture
that Pistons obviously don't have that. So

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it's tough to say no to the
money. But if you want to win

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and you don't feel like your organization
is going to win, you at least

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leave your options open. So I
think it does say something about him,

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his character, perhaps the relationship he
has with the Pistons, and perhaps and

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this might be a reach to Sean, but perhaps the bringing in of JB.

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Bickerstaff. I think with the proven
track record that he has with developing

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younger players, that bodes well.
Why do you like or dislike the hiring

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of JB. Bickerstaff as their new
head coach? Well, I mean it

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gives more feel of, you know, like it, not necessarily love it.

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You know, if we're talking about
for a short term, then I

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think it's great. Long term,
I don't love the idea. It kind

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of reminds me of how I feel
about a guy that just got picked the

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other night in Dalton, connect from
Tennessee. Kind of feels like that,

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like like high floor, you know, low ceiling kind of thing. I

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don't think this is something that we're
gonna be talking about all right. Is

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year eight for JB or anything like
that, you know, but the development

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of the players, like you just
mentioned, in addition to the fact that

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Cleveland was one of the not only
better defensive teams in the NBA last year,

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but certainly one of the better teams
in the East. They were competing

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for a second seed late into the
season. Not just to mention that,

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but I mean, listen, it's
not bad. It's the most ideal he

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personally, would I rather have Jay
Wright maybe a name that hasn't been brought

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up very often for whatever reason.
But I mean, listen, you gotta

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start somewhere. My concern with this
team besides the shoot and we could have

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a whole laundry list of things that
we could discuss. But I sometimes think

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that they try to get guys that
fit the culture more importantly than guys that

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fit together on the floor. And
I love the culture. San Antonio has

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its own, Miami has its,
so Detroit has its own. I don't

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think it's a terrible idea to have. I'm just not in love with grouping

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a bunch of guys and it feels
like the graveyard of the NBA the MotorCity

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does. That has to change when
you start talking about Marvin Bagley's and James

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Wiseman. That isn't something that's gonna
push guys over the top. But we

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have to find somewhere to get started, and obviously taking holl In at number

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five is a start. Yeah,
I'm with you on all that. I

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find it interesting what you originally said
about JB. Bickers deaf John Blair Bickers

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death, specifically that you know,
you don't necessarily love it that he's the

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guy for the short term, not
necessarily the long term. How do we

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know that when he really hasn't been
given that much of an opportunity. I

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mean Cleveland, he takes over for
John Bline, He turns a team that

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went twenty two and fifty, and
he takes him to forty four wins than

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fifty one wins and forty eight wins. Why do we not think that he

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deserves the opportunity to be a long
term answer when we've seen plenty of coaches

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in the past not get that chance. Dan Campbell Lions for example, and

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then make the most of it when
people, most of them thought he was

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a short bridge. I think part
of it is because of the an experience

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not saying a zero experience because he
had a job obviously before Cleveland, but

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because because we haven't, he doesn't
have that long history of a resume,

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right right, you know, would
you rather have? And maybe someone that

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I'm kind of grouping in comparing with
him, a guy who obviously did very

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good past year in Orlando was Jamal
Mosley. Right, we probably could have

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said the same thing, but because
of what he was able to do in

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the playoffs and even Cleveland, well
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or just about as far, but
he left a different kind of impression on

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people, and I think that was
a huge part by why I feel the

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way that I feel. And it
just feels like the same guys in a

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coaching caresel over and over, going
around and a round between Bago and actings

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and and and and and and bicker
Staff and so you know, just from

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that standpoint, now, granted,
nobody has the experience until somebody does what

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gives you the experience. Nobody has
success until someone gives you that opportunity to

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have success. And here it is
another opportunity. But make no mistake about

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it, there's a there's a list
of guys that is under him that were

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not as considerable for the job in
my opinion as he was. But you

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know again, it's not an overwhelming
great feeling. It's like, well,

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here we go again. Let's just
try it out, and let's just I

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guess, well the dice and see
what happens if we're you know whatever three

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hundred and sixty five times two or
three is down the line from now two

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three years, we're talking about twenty
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Will anybody be ridiculously surprised that things
maybe didn't work out? Probably not.

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Now we're keeping our fingers toes,
eyes and teeth and everything else crossed that

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it does, of course, But
would anybody be surprised, Probably not if

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we're in this same situation again,
I'm not sure. Just gonna surprise anybody.

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Yeah, Deshaun Tate joining us here
on Ex's and Bros faum on x

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at Tate's take on hoops. What
you just said there really piques my interest.

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And as soon as you said it, here we go again. We

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got the same guys. And obviously
that's a different way of saying retreads.

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I think of Okay, Well,
JJ Reddick gets hired by the Lakers,

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and people aren't necessarily overly thrilled with
that he was their second choice. You

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got Doc Rivers who took over in
Milwauk, and he's been very accomplished in

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his career, and yet they didn't
respond all that well to him. I

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don't know if there's the right solution. I don't know if there's the right

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thing that makes us go, Okay, yeah, I want this guy because

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he's got experience, and yet he's
a retread, although I want to try

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something new with fill in the blank. That's a difficult river to navigate for

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general managers. I would guess it
is. It definitely is. I'm not

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saying I got all the right answers, because if I did, i'd certainly

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be part of one of those decision
makers. I'm sure that I'm talking to

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you, which I'm so grateful to
be doing, by the way, But

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and you know, that is a
very, you know, obviously very difficult

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decision that you have to make,
and the concerns about this team with which

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direction they were going prior to hire
having a head coach, and when they've

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got so many new pieces over there, obviously with the Alaskan Assassin changing Langdon

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as well. So to be able
to have new energy, I think is

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a start something that this team needs. And if people are looking forward to

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them, you know, obviously looking
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I'm probably be thinking you're fooling yourself. However, people are ready for this

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team to be good again. People
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be competing, at least just contending
for a playing spot. They give you

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two extra opportunities at teams to be
able to have a chance to play into

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this thing, and they haven't been
closed. And we all wish much better

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than that. Obviously, like I
said, there's probably no perfect guy that's

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going to go to Detroit that is
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But again, I'll throw it at
you again and again. This guy

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has no experience either. So it
may sound like I'm contradicting myself a little

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bit, but I just feel like
the energy would be a little bit better

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if you attempted to go after a
guy like the Jay Wright. Yeah,

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and I respect Jay Right a great
deal. I don't know why he would

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want to put up with a headache
oftentimes come in the NBA when he's got

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a pretty good gig right now.
Number one? Amen. Yeah, And

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and the other thing is, I
do believe I do think it's interesting.

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I think he's one of those coaches
at the college level who could make the

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transition to the NBA. It just
doesn't work very often because of how different

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you have to coach, and with
my background and calling college basketball and the

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NBA, I just I don't see
many who fit it very well and could

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do well at both. But it's
it is an interesting thing to discuss Before

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I get to a couple of free
agents. I wanted your overall take on

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Rona Hall on the second being the
fifth overall pick. I think it was

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the first early surprise of the NBA
Draft. I can't say that it was

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something that I expected, but I
can't say that I necessarily dislike it either.

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What is your take on the on
the Pistons first first round point pick?

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Well, yeah, I mean the
idea that he's checking all the boxes

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and all that, the athleticism and
a wing span, and the potential.

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It is just a potential draft.
I mean, at the end of the

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day, let's just be honest.
If one of these guys didn't happen to

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work out, with one of these
teams, then I don't think anybody's gonna

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be all that surprise or what have
you. The guy the team that got

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the perfect, the right guy probably
just accidentally drafted the right guy. He

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just fell in. They left some
way, somehow they rolled the dice,

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and that could be Holland for all
we know. Only think taking him at

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five was too early at all.
I mean, you get a guy who

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a lot of people were extremely high
on, you know, around this time

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last year, expecting to pot to
be a potential number one pick, obviously

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putting the eyes on him in a
whole new situation. He's already been a

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professional so far in his career at
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So I think that that's good from
experience standpoint. But again, I

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mean, got to work on his
jump shot. I think you just said

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that about probably every guy whose name
was called a few days ago, and

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you know, you know, I'm
not sure that it was that they based

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off of need. I know,
it was really difficult to say that they

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drafted based off of most available.
But when you start talking about potential,

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he arguably has the most potential in
this draft. Another light, not love,

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but it's really arguable when you look
at who else was left on the

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board, with the exception of maybe
the exact Edie, if you wanted to

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go after another big again, I
guess, especially considering the fact that Isaiah

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Stewart from an injury standpoint, there
really wasn't a whole lot more left,

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and I felt more comfortable saying,
why would we do this? We have

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this guy on the board instead typical
Detroit pistons. I don't think he was

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terrible, but at the end of
the day, it's just something that we're

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gonna have to wait and see.
But also for fifty nine other guys,

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by the way, yeah, for
sure. When you see the free agency

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and sell the numbers that are being
thrown around right now, is there anything

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that has really caught your attention?
Like, wow, I can't believe.

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For example, the Clippers gave James
Harden two years, seventy million dollars,

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you know, possibly four year deal
for Paul George and Philadelphia, what's caught

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your eyes in the early stages of
free agency? Yeah, through twenty six

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for k paid Kate is what I'm
calling him now, not trade k paid

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k I think it was interesting what
the you know, uh, San Antonio

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Spurs, did you know? I
think clearly got a point where we're seeing,

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maybe not from a money standpoint,
but I think it's pretty evident that

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Chris Paul is probably gonna be one
of those greats that go down without a

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ring. By adding him and putting
him in a position or where he can

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kind of teach other guys, it
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type role, although he's going to
be playing. But that was really interesting

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to me. Obviously you got to
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Klay Thompson should be relatively soon,
I would imagine too. But where

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to I don't know. I guess
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would be the Lakers or Dallas however, or Dallas excuse me, or Dallas.

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But you got the Lakers out there, the Lakers trying to get everybody

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and get they're trying to get me
and you for crying out out I think,

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trying to call me prior to me
coming on the air with you or

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something, you know, seriously,
I mean, but obviously Paul George being

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an elephant in the room right here, being a guy that can fill that

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need. I just I don't think
that that really takes them over time.

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We're gonna talk about them being contenders. We're talking about those guys being contenders

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for somewhere relatively close to maybe what
about ten years now or something close to

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it. So overly and belief of
the Philadelphia seventy six ers by any strutch

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of the imagination, either primarily because
of the health concerns to Joe Embi when

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it matters the most. But I'm
gonna be honest, Paul George, going

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to the Sixers is not something that
I felt was nearly as realistic as many

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other people did. And if your
capt to them for being able to land

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them, but now I have to
see the results. Yeah. Lastly,

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real quick your wheelhouse, Deonta Murray
goes from Atlanta to New Orleans. Surprised

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because I think he's a hell of
a player. Now, I would argue,

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I mean Atlanta got an awful lot
back for him, right. I

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think they got Larry Nance Junior,
they got Dyson Daniels. I think they

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got a first round pick from either
the Bucks or the Pelicans or something along

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those lines. You would know the
details better than I but that surprised me

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a little bit. People felt like
you had to decide between Trey Young or

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Murray or why couldn't they coexist?
What was your take on that trade and

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why couldn't they co exist? Overall? Getting a lot back for him that

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felt like a bunch of nothing considering
what they've done over the last few days,

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especially take the recess. But I
think that's a whole another conversation.

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The reality is just that it just
wasn't a good thick got two guys who

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can naturally play the playing guard position, obviously, you know, with Murray

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being able to play off the ball
a little bit. They had conversation for

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quite a long time about maybe putting
Tray off the ball in the situations,

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and that wasn't gonna work as well. And I'm not sure that you know,

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it'd be the smartest thing in the
world to do that, to try

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it. Maybe I don't think it's
terrible, but it's just it's like mixing

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water and oil to a degree in
some ways. And I don't think that

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there was anything out, you know, a personal situation like many people made

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it out to seem, and all
those kind of things, But it kind

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of reminds me of, you know, last year's NBA draft. On this

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time about a year ago, we
were talking about what's the number two pick

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or whatever it was. I think
we saw Brandon Miller go to Charlie conversations

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about Scoot Henderson's school, Inderson and
LaMelo Ball. I just did not feel

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like was going to work. Now, depending on what your definition of work

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is, you may disagree with me, However, I just don't think you

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can get the best. I don't
think it was gonna be terrible, and

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it wasn't terrible, but you weren't
going to get the best that you can

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get out of both of those guys
on the same night at the same time.

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If you were able to do that, then we might be talking about

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something different. But because you weren't
able to do that, in the situation

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that the Atlanta Hawks are in,
I think that's something that kind of hurt

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them more than it helped. I
don't think it was as bad some people

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made it out to scene, but
it really wasn't as good as some people

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made it out to see either.
And it just clearly looks like you're trying

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to rebuild off of a rebuild now
at this point, no idea what the

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front office is doing. But I
don't love it at all, and I

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don't get really good feelings about it. Would I'd be surprised if Tray was

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on the training block. Maybe the
best thing to ever come through those doors

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since the number twenty one, besides
the guy who's got number twenty one outside.

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But I guess we'll just have to
play wait and see. It's great

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stuff, DeShawn. I really enjoyed
the conversation. Hope we can do it

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again. Thanks for the insight.
Continued success. Have a great week,

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buddy, Appreciate it. Man.
Yeah wait, thanks for having me