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Lauren. Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know
it's I guess Thursday morning. You said nine o'clock your time, so we
appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us today.
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, George. Let's said, I'm
no one special, but I really just wanted to share my story, my
journey to coming to flat Earth and everything that happened in between. I've really
resonated with hearing a lot of the other stories from listeners, and yeah,
I think testimony is a really powerful and so I just thought if I could
share mine and maybe connect with someone out there, then yeah, that would
be awesome. So thanks for giving me a bit of a platform, And
thanks so much for your podcasts. Like I love it. I really just
love like you're measured and really down to a down to earth approach. So
that's yeah, really cool. And just the fact that you give, you
know, just average average people out there like me the opportunity to just speak
up, because I think it can be quite lonely when you come to know,
like waking up, especially to flat Earth's and there's almost like a persecution
and I think people, I know myself, I haven't shared it with the
huge amount of my family and friends yet because yeah, people just really can
take quite badly to even mentioning the topic. And I think you spoke about
that in one of your other podcasts as well, that there's sort of a
level, you know, that goes up in terms of can I speak you
know, about this particular topic around the water cooler or not? And yeah,
flat Earth is pretty out there. So I think it's really great that
people can just come on and just you know, kind of offer a bit
of their story and perhaps get a few things off their chest that maybe they're
not able to speak to friends and family and like about. So yeah,
so I just thought I'd come on and share my my little piece, my
piece of the God's big tapestry. There you go, and thank you very
much for the kind words. And we're all just trying to get through the
days. And I think some of the common factors of all the emails I
it one is flat Earth. In most cases, it brings people closer to
God. But really, what you said a minute ago, and that's something
that I go through myself. It is almost and that's a word that I
don't think I've ever used before, but you're right, it's almost a persecution
that people just look at you in like, well, you know, George
has lost it, and people kind of shy away from you, and it
does almost become lonely, but at the same time, I just couldn't trade
being awake to going back asleep knowing the evil that traverses the earth on a
daily basis. It's just something I can't look past. What are your thoughts
on that? Oh? Absolutely. I always say that my awakening was the
most traumatic experience of my life, but I wouldn't change it for the world.
My awakening was kind of funny because it was really slow in one respect,
and then it was quite sudden in another. So from an early age,
I always suspected something was a little bit off in the world. And
I remember when I was about ten years old, I was in my mom's
room, like jumping up and down on the bed, listening to what we
had. Here was a TV show on the weekends called Video Hits, and
they play like the countdown of all the top hits of the week, and
there was a song I don't know if you remember it called Crazy by Seal
Oh of course, yeah, yeah, And even at ten years old,
that song kind of really struck me. I was like, something is crazy,
something is really wrong in this world. I remember jumping up and down
on the bed and just thinking, what is it like, what is this
world. And then not too long after that, a few years we got
like dial up internet, and you know, it's sort of thirteen fourteen.
I was looking at JFK and the moon landing, and I already decided that
I didn't believe the moon landing. And so, you know, from to
think that back way back then, I'm forty three now, to think that
way back then, I was already sort of semi awake, but it took
me until more recently to fully come to that that real conscious awareness is quite
crazy. You know. It's like, for the majority of my life I
kind of understood that there had been this huge life that had been told to
the world, and yet the gravity of that gravity, gravity of that just
invite Yeah, I just didn't quite you know, hit me, and so
I kept, you know, just living my life. I was an absolute
tear away as as a teenager, and you know, really rebellious and kind
of always went against the grain. And then when I was in my early
twenties, I left Australia and went traveling overseas for twelve months backpacking, which
turned into about seventeen years, and I spent the majority of my time living
over in in London. I saw a lot of the world, Like I
had a really great job over there that afforded me a lot of travel,
and I've got to see a lot of different things. But I was always
very conspiratorial minded, and so I kept looking at all these different things.
And you know, my nickname was always like conspiracy Lauren, and oh you're
always you know, you're always looking at this stuff. Or one of my
friends even one time, had said to me, oh, come on,
you get off on this kind of stuff. Like I don't really get off
on it. It's like things are happening in this world that are like their
lies, you know, and like that that doesn't sit well with me.
I'm not okay with it. So I have to kind of talk about it
and get it out there. And I think, say nine to eleven again,
you know a lot of people. That woke a lot of people up.
I was actually still in Australia when that happened, and obviously at the
time different. It was about eleven o'clock at night from memory when it kicked
off over here, and I'd been working an afternoon shift and I got home
and it was around that time where some of the like big Hollywood movies with
all these great new special effects were coming out, and I just remember looking
and I was like, what movie is this? Like I couldn't think,
you know, when i'd seen it advertised and that, And I mean,
how funny now to think have thought, oh, it was a movie,
because we know, you know, how orchestrated it all was. But I
think, really now reflecting back on that, it really shows me like the
power of the spells that were under because I remember, even though it didn't
kind of wake me up. I remember the next day I called in sick
to work just so I could lie on the couch on the sofa and just
watch the TV. And I was mesmerized, like I just I couldn't pull
myself away from it. And now I think, like, this is this
is what tells me that there's so much more going on on a spiritual level
than just the fact that there's some bad people doing some bad stuff, because
they have this power. They've got this power to really hypnotize us to the
point where like we're not even believing our own eyes, you know. And
yeah, so I just, yeah, going back to all that, it
was like it was a bit of an awakening sort of at the time.
But it wasn't until a few years after that I really started looking into into
nine to eleven and realizing just how deep it goes. And yeah, but
still even at that point, I was still kind of oldly semi kind of
conscious of everything. It was, accepting that there were these big lies.
But again I just wasn't recognizing just how big that was. And so I
was I was just going to say two real things, if I can interject,
you were right about that timeline. UM. There was two very significant
events that took place in two thousand and one as far as programming, and
I speak about that a lot, like they did the movie Outbreak in the
mid to late nineties with Dustin Hoffman, and then twenty and thirteen they did
Contagion, and you know that's just two movies, and there's you know,
they pushed the uh you know this, the fear of UM. You know,
the germs, and when March kicked off in twenty twenty people, you
know, that's the programming they do to get your mind program to automatically we
must obey. May of two thousand and one, the Pearl Harbor movie UM
dropped, and that was three hours of Blockbuster, you know that this mind
based trauma reliving what happen happened seventy years ago. But at the same time,
there was the group who authored a New American Century that said it would
take a new nine to eleven to bring us into this new level of military
and industrial complex that we see today. There was also a TV show on
Fox and it read about the same time, April May of two thousand and
one, where the plot was literally a plane was going to fly into I
don't know if it was the Empire, state building or whatever, but they
program your mind to prepare these type of events so when they do happen,
you were more apt to accept it. Yeah, I mean, and most
of us sort of, you know, come from a conspiracy angle, Like
look at the Simpsons and can see a lot of what they've done there.
And like I remember watching that, you know, when it first came out.
My brother and I could just about quote every episode, you know,
so getting us from a really really young age as well. And I think
there was another one I remember seeing someone did a bit of a rundown on
Back to the Future and the nine to eleven programming and Back to the Future
as well. Yeah, like that was really interesting. You know. I
remember there was one bit where there's a camera angle that like if you flip
the whole scene upside down, it basically is the two twin towers coming down.
That's correct. Yeah, So you know the one it was in the
evening when they're at the mall and he's trying to see dark and that the
electronic clock and whether it says Twin Pines mall if you turn that upside down,
yeah, And I think there's another scene where they're watching like inside one
of the houses and they're watching TV and someone in the scene is actually hanging
upside down, so's he's watching the movie upside down, But when you flip
it up around the other way, it shows the tower was coming down.
I don't know, maybe there's like look into it. If anyone listening and
they're interested, it's like pretty mind blowing what they're what they've done. But
it's just all around us, and you know, once you kind of wake
up to it, you just start seeing it everywhere. I think you quote
is it um Manly p Hall that you quote that says like once you can
read like the signs and the symbols, you'll understand the world more or like
I'm misquoting that, yes, ma'am, yeah, absolutely, so yeah.
So there I was just kind of conspiratorial, but not quite you know,
accepting just how big it was. I think when things like Illuminati and that
started to come up, I was like, no, that's a bit too
far. It can't it can't be that big, you know. And then
and then COVID happened, and I was in London at the time, and
I kind of I was going along with it all, but I always remember
feeling a bit like uneasy about the whole mask wearing, and I was like,
something just didn't didn't quite sit right with me. And then after a
while, I just sort of my rebellious streak, I guess probably more than
anything, came out and I was like, I'm not wearing these silly masks,
like they're just ridiculous. I look silly and you know. And then
we got I worked in a job where we could work from home anyway,
so straight away we were yeah, it really was straight away we were we
were told to stay at home, so that straight away gave me a little
bit of extra time on my hands that I hadn't previously had and I used
to travel a lot with work, so we were completely grounded, so again
giving me a little bit more time on my hands. And I had in
the previous years still been looking a little bit into like the Trump staff,
and I kind of predicted that he'd get in, and then he got in
and around the similar time I'd looked into Pizza Gate. Do you remember that?
Absolutely? Yeah, I mean that was that was crazy again now,
like the lies are so big, it's hard to tell where they start and
where they end, indeed, because everything's so orchestrated, and yeah, I
mean they played both sides of everything, and you know, it's just it
is all the world's a stage, like no true words have been said,
you know. Um. So I don't doubt that really awful stuff like that
um is going on for sure, but you know, yeah, how much
of it, how much of these bad guys are just fall guys, And
you know they're living on like beautiful remote island somewhere that we don't know about
while they're getting you know, taking the fall for X, Y and Z.
We just don't really know. But I certainly went pretty deep on the
Pizza Gate thing. And so yeah, when COVID happened. I was already
still off the back of the kind of Trump and Pizza Gate thing, so
I was back getting fairly deep into the conspiracies again, and I started to
think something's not right with all this, and I took myself off to Italy.
I packed my dog and myself up and we left London because like,
the lockdowns were just so just horrific. I thought, I don't want to
be in the city anymore. So we drove to Italy and I rented this
really beautiful cottage in the middle of nowhere. I barely speak the lang which
although I do have Italian grandparents, so there was a little bit of familiarity
for me. But I was like ten minutes out of a very like small,
small village, and again we went into a lockdown. So I was
totally like just on my own in the middle of nowhere, just had my
dog and a laptop, and I started to dig really, really deep,
and then I really started to wake up. And I really believe I don't
know if this is something you've ever experienced, but I really believe that in
the lead up to those years, I was having some demonic attacks as well,
and when I was in Italy, there were some very strange things that
happened, like things that were now I'm going to sound like a real kuk,
but like things that were moving and you know, like furniture that was
getting misplay east and stuff. And so I have heard other stories from people
that when they kind of get close to that waking up period, they do
have you know, they have experienced these sort of demonic attacks and like sleep
paralysis and stuff like that. Again, which makes me like quite certain that
we're dealing with very spiritual, dark entities. But that moment when I really
woke up, So I'll just go back action just say that I had a
Catholic upbringing, but not very Catholic. So my grandparents said were Italian on
my mum's side, and they were Catholic, and they brought my mom up
Catholic, but like Catholic light like they just sort of thought these are some
nice values. It wasn't a very spiritual They weren't Bible readers. It wasn't
really brought into the home that much. So I say Catholic, but it
was just for you know, just a superficial like version of religion. And
I did go to Catholic primary school and a Catholic high school for a short
while, but again just here in Australia, and certainly when I was growing
up, it was like just Catholic schools were like the private school so they
were kind of seen as maybe a slightly better education than the public schools.
So it wasn't I didn't have a religious upbringing, and certainly when I hit
my teen years, I thought that God was like a fairy tale and religion
was pretty much the root of all evil. And I maintained that stance until
yeah, just until a few years ago during the COVID thing, when I
woke up and it And this is why I said at the beginning like it
was a bit of a slow awakening because from a very early age I suspected
something was wrong and was looking into all the conspiracies. But then it was
a very quick awakening because George, I had this moment. I don't think
I'll ever be able to articulate it verbally, but it was like everything changed
in my life in an instant, and all those little puzzle pieces that i'd
been collecting absolutely and I just knew, Wow, there's a lot of evil
in this world, and God is real, and I ran outside, I
got on my knees, I said the our father. It was the only
thing I could remember. And then that was it. I just I knew
God was real, Like it's just a crazy moment and yeah, and I
don't think it would have happened if it hadn't for all the lockdowns and all
that, you know, time spent alone and time reflecting and and kind of
yeah, looking at the world. But I've heard you talk about when you
came to flat Earth and you had the two weeks of like not sleeping,
and I can relate, but I I wish mine was two weeks. I
was not okay for like twelve months after after waking up, I really struggled,
so and I guess this is maybe why I wanted to share a bit
of my story as well, because I hear other people just sort of like,
yeah, woke up and then you know the world was a lie and
dada. I was like, I didn't sleep for like six months, not
properly. I got on all those telegram groups and I don't know if you
had had them over there. I know you had them because they were international,
but I don't know if you ever signed up to them or anything,
but they like they would run twenty four hours, and they'd have like open
phone lines and anyone from around the world could just drop in and just talk.
And so everything was being shared on these on these group calls, and
a lot of it was obviously really really dark. And I remember two things
from different calls that I joined, and one of them was, um,
someone saying, gosh, I'd really hate to be waking up now because there's
so much information, like, you know, there must be blowing people's minds
totally. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, not to mention
the fact that the entire world has just been locked down, and so that
that in itself showed just how big and coordinated and how many people were in
on this. And I know it doesn't take you know, hundreds of thousands
or millions or whatever like it can be controlled by a fairly small group of
people. But that's a huge amount of control to be able to lock down
the entire world. Absolutely, but it's that, let me say real quick,
It makes it so much easier when you control ninety six percent of the
media. Absolutely, yeah, no, definitely, And again it kind of
shows the power of the programming as well, because my job at that time.
I was working for an association that I mean, we had to say
the word advocate, but we were basically lobbying for five G. That was
a huge part of my role at the time of waking up. So I
went into a huge state of like fear and paranoia. So there I was,
you know, just coming to terms with this. The five G agenda
was, you know, part of the stuff that I'd been looking into.
And I'm you know, logging onto a job that is pretty much pushing all
this stuff, and that the two nights after I had the big moment of
kind of wow, God is real and this world is really kind of scary.
I wrapped up every electrical device that I own with tinfoil, which apparently
actually can help to conduct Oh yeah, those fair days, a lot of
people buy them up. Yeah, oh yeah. I wrapped my head.
I tell this just because it's funny now, but I wrapped my head in
tinfoil and I slept with a saucepan over my head for two nights in a
row. Goods, I was in such such a state of fears. But
two things and number one, once again, when you don't when they lie
to you about everything. It's hard to discern what is wet. So sometimes
we do maybe go overboard a little bit, but it's just because we have
we can't discern what is the truth. And the other thing is as far
as you working for a company that was advocating five G that that's what you
were going through. That's exactly how I was going through the latter few years
of my time in the military when I started to really understand how the world
worked. And uh, you know, I was a part of that.
So I completely understand like having you know, and sometimes as humans in our
line of work, we are sometimes associated with some not so great people.
You know people, there's a lot of people who listen, I'm sure who
work for banks, and we know the banksters are responsible for many of these
wars. So I completely get your feeling on that. M. Do you
still have contact with any of your friends from your days? And oh,
yeah, not as many as I used to, but we still talk.
Yeah. Are there any that you know of that are awake and still no
thing? No? No, no, no, is that because most have
woken up and left or no, it's going back to the beginning. I'm
you know, I've had friends that I I mean, I served in combat
with very close friends, and when I start to come out of the closet
right as as a truther and start to tell the things that I believe is
going on in the earth, people tend to um not contact me so much.
So, you know, it's a shame. You know, I spent
a lot of time with these people in some very rough times. But it
really goes to show that it is, like you said, being persecuted.
It's it's real when you come out and start to express your beliefs. And
then it goes back to part of the reason that that got us through the
BS that was going on in Iraq was well, we're defending the constitution,
are right for free speech. And then when you um, you know,
you put yourself out there, you get, like you said, persecuted.
So it's it's kind of a double ledge sword. I want people to know
who I am genuinely, and then at the end of the day, you
end up your text messages don't come back too often as much as they used
to. Yeah, I've told a couple of friends, but they're they're more
the friends that definitely not judgmental, but they just haven't taken me seriously and
just like, oh, all right, then I just kind of laughed it
off, you know, and I never really questioned it much more than that.
Actually, my husband is not there on it, which can be quite
difficult at times. And I know there's a lot of people in the same
situation, you know, and I've heard of actually marriage is breaking down over
it and everything, which is part of why I think, you know,
people can cling so easily to the idea that flat earth is, you know,
a deception from from Satan because it is divisive and so on. The
outset kind of looks like it could be from the enemy. But I don't
I don't believe that for a moment. Does your husband does he accept things
like let's say, the moon landing and Kennedy at nine to eleven or and
it just kind of stops at flat Earth. He he's a very practical man,
so unless he can like tangibly prove something, he tries to just remain
a bit on the fence. He definitely has suspicions around what happened at nine
to eleven and the moon landing. I haven't really asked him too much on
it because I know that he just doesn't engage much with the flat Earth topics,
so I just kind of I tend to leave it alone a little bit.
But he certainly knows a lot of what's going on, like the corruption
in the world. He sees it for what it is, So you know,
we're definitely on the same page about a lot of things, but that
one's been a little bit of a tricky one to navigate round. And any
listeners out there that are going through the same thing, I feel free to
reach out because it can be a really really challenging thing when the people closest
to you have different opinions. But we're navigating through it, you know,
all right, And I just we kind of put it on the shelf for
the most part, and you know, we just have to respect where each
other's at. He's he's a Christian man, so you know, it's Christian
values. We do need to try and accept where people are at. And
I really I believe this is on God's time, you know, this one.
So it's I tend to not push it on people just in general anyway,
but for me, and I'll kind of go back to a little bit
of my story in coming to flat Earth. So I had that moment where
I accepted that God was real, but anything outside of that, as far
as I was concerned, was probably a lie. So it took me a
while to come to the Bible, and um, I I think a lot
of people come down to the Bible through the path of prophecy, but that
wasn't working for me because I was like, well Simpsons was prophesizing, you
know, yeah, yeah, So m I struggled a little bit, but
it and coming to flat Earth, so I'd already this was I'd been kind
of awake and had the awakening moment probably a few months prior, and I
had looked into flat Earth before, probably about twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.
I did a couple of times, but even for me, I was like,
that is out there, like these people are crazy. And it's because,
of course, we all know, when you first start looking into flat
Earth and you don't really know where to go. The stuff that they put
out there is it's just absolute nonsense, and you know, it's designed to
drive people away from it and make people think that it is absolutely crazy.
So I kind of put it on the shelf. But then after COVID and
kind of waking up to how big everything was. I was like, Okay,
I think it's time to go and have another little look at that.
And I remember watching an Eric Debate movie, one of his documentaries. I
can't remember what one it was. I think it's called something like how Everything
Works on a Flat Earth? Okay, and he was he the one who
did the flat Earth proofs as well? He did yeah, I think two
hundred proofs the Earth. Yeah. So I put that on and within five
minutes I just went, oh, and the Earth is flat as well.
You know. It's like, so there's all this stuff, but now the
Earth is flat. But my acceptance of it by by this point, and
I'd already come to accept so many lies and deceptions and been through all the
fear and everything that it actually brought me a huge amount of peace. And
I just went wow. And again it was like all the puzzle pieces of
my life. You know, I've been on planes hundreds of times, like
traveling all over and just silly things like I remember, you know, flying
certain destinations and the Sun would like just literally be there beside you in the
plane the whole time, like you're traveling with the sun and it's it's right
there. You can see it in amongst the clouds, and you know,
just things that just don't click at the time because we've been conditioned to view
things in a completely different light. So you know, there's that there's just
I never saw a curve. I really didn't like you see it. You
think you see a curve, You see just sort of it's like an edge
because that's how far your eyes can see. And that's about it. But
there's no curve. There's no like building things that are sort of tilted back
because you know the Earth's curving around. There's it's just it's nonsensical, all
right. And there's so many places that I'd flown over where it was just
flat for ages, and you know, start thinking about things like, well,
if the Earth's spinning and we're flying like east to west or whatever,
like why don't we just take off and let the Earth come to us?
You know, all these kinds of things that just have never never think about
them before, and then you know you can't you can't make sense of them.
Um, there's other ones as well, like you know they try and
say that like a helicopter is moving with the Earth's atmosphere. That's why it's
you know, and then you're like, well, what if, what if
you're going against the Earth's atmosphere, why are we not feeling any push or
anything? And I think you've just done something on the Coriolis effect, and
I really want to listen to it because I'm not super familiar with it,
but I'm pretty sure that moving with the Earth's atmosphere is completely contrary to the
Choreolis effect. I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that indeed.
And yeah, the reason I brought it up because we had a listener email
us and he said he remembered being in sniper's school at Fort Benning, Georgia,
and he thought he remembered being taught about the Choreolis effect. And then
I replied to him, I said, during two of my four tours in
Iraq, we were authorized snipers and it was my job to purchase them equipment
for their mission. So I went out. We got him a sniper sites,
we got him a barometer, a wind detector, a handheld one.
But nothing about the conversation ever came out. So I pulled the FM,
the field manual for sniper school. Not a word. He goes back we're
chatting back and forth. He goes back checks his notes and he realizes he
claimed it was put into whatever measurements are in it. So he's like,
man, they bamboozled me. There's no such thing. And then I just
kind of compared it to what you were exactly talking about with flight going back
to before we had GPS in the forties and fifties, and when they were
flying, they didn't factor in the spin of the Earth. The only thing
they factored in was the wind. That's the only thing they factored in.
And one more thing, if I could add, since we're on this note,
anybody can go to Travelocity or wherever you're buy your plane tickets. Okay,
I want you to say you're departing Sydney, Australia, and you want
to fly to Johannesburg, South Africa. Now you're going to have a stop.
No matter where you buy these tickets from, you're gonna have a stop
in Abu Dhabi. I want you to look at that flight plath, the
flight path on a globe, and then I want you to look at that
flight path on the flat Earth map and tell me which one makes sense,
because the one on the globe makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah, it's just
all this stuff that we just haven't questioned that. Yeah, once you kind
of start to see it, um, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Indeed,
I haven't really looked at the flight paths too much, but I know
I've seen a couple of like the emergency landings that don't make any sense.
Yea, yeah, definitely check that out. It makes no sense. You're
literally going northeast and then down south, but on the flat earth map you're
just gone pretty much straight across. It makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah,
I feel like planes are a big part of Yeah, just the reality
of where we live, and you can't make sense of a lot of these
things on the globe, which spins my mind that there's not more pilots coming
out. Yeah, And I don't know if this is just the deep programming
that they're under. I believe it is. What's your thoughts, It's it's
both. I think it could be the way I mean, m I think
it's programming. I think the glass in the airline in airplanes are probably I
mean they're not. They're beveled to an extent, so that may cause you
to see some curvature. Maybe I've never really noticed it in my flights.
And I'm like you, I've flown you know, probably a hundred times from
you know, continental to you know, around the world, and there's a
couple things that I always go back to. I remember, you know,
on the transcontinental flights, looking at why are we flying in this loop?
Like we would go up around Greenland, Nova Scotia and curve back down towards
London. It wasn't a straight line. But you know, I never put
two and two together. It's just now that I'm awake and go back and
think about that map they always had showing where we were. That the flight
path that they showed us never make any sense. And they were a business,
so why would they not fly in a straight line to save money on
gas? Yeah? Yeah, and just the flight times being basically the same
from one way to the other. Exactly if you if you're claiming we're spending
one thousand miles an hour, we should have a significant difference in time.
And the only thing, if we're coming west to east, it's got to
be a little quicker, but that's only because of the wind. Yeah,
And it's funny, like, I don't know if you've ever been on any
of the kind of flat earth groups on Facebook or anything where they're debating back
and forth, like it's almost impossible to debate because you're kind of you know,
like one is debating these complicated like mathematical equations with logic and like it's
actually really they're really difficult conversations and debates to have, yeah, because you
know, like those of us on the flat earth side or flurfers, they
call us flurfers. I don't know if you've heard that. Yeah, yeah,
we'd just get yeah, like dumbed down as kind of simpletons, and
you know, you're so silly you don't understand the mathematics behind it. But
the mathematics is just it's just numbers. It doesn't actually mean anything. But
there's no reality behind the numbers, you know. And you're coming out that
with like logical you know, arguments, which is, how are we moving
with the atmosphere one way and not the other or you know east to west
blight times and all that, and they just they can't quite see it.
Sometimes I wonder, you know, there is there's something deeper that's kind of
going on, because I know, like for me, when I first came
to flat Earth. One of the big things for me was the moon.
I just loved watching the moon and you know, could recognize how close it
was and seeing you know that it's not a reflection of the sunlight, and
it doesn't look like a reflection of any light. Absolutely, it really does
look like this perfect, you know, huge torch in the sky and you
can see it move in between clouds and realize just you know, how much
how much closer it is. But even with my husband, I will sit
out there sometimes and just every now and then when I'm feeling like I might
not set him off on one, I'll be like, can you see how
you know that the moon's moving between the clouds? Like can you see that
sometimes the clouds are in front of the moon and sometimes they're behind, Like,
surely that that means the moon's closer, you know, or the clouds
like two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles away. And he genuinely says he
can't see what I'm seeing, And I think, what is it? Like?
Are they are people actually seeing something different? Was I previously seeing something
different? Does something actually happen when we get awakened? And that veil is
lifted. I don't know if that's something you've pondered at all. Yeah,
I agree, one hundred percent. It's programming. It's it's one hundred percent
programming. And I've said before, Um, you know, if a guy
who is wearing a lab coat and he's stand in front of a television camera,
you're going to take his advice. What You've never met this guy before,
You've never met Tony Fauci, you know, you don't know him from
Adam, but you're going to take his advice over you know, somebody you've
met your own life, and that that's it's all part of the programming.
Somebody, Uh Simon, I'm just going to say his first name sent me
a picture today and it's of the sun. It looks like it's just above
the clouds shining down with the rays going in all these different directions. And
he's like, how could we have these sun rays going in all these different
directions if the sun was ninety three million miles away? And I get pictures
all the time and it's just amazing. And uh, Nicola Tesla once said,
we've gotten away from using our you know, our eyes and ears.
I'm paraphrasing here. But basically science has gone from proving things to Matt right
that they use math equations to prove their point versus you see somebody like David
Waste and these people who actually go out there with lasers and levels and do
these experiments, and even in the nineteenth century, in the late eighteen hundreds,
the Bedford level experiment, all these other experiments that didn't prove anything.
That guy try to prove that the Earth was moving. He couldn't prove anything.
Just because an apple falls on your head doesn't prove gravity. That's it
again. A lot of these stories about how, you know, these discoveries
were made a completely normnsensical I'm pretty sure like Galileo discovered the rings of satin
with his like telescope that was thirty three time zoom or something really thirty three
there you go, you know, yeah, don't quote me on that,
and I'm like thirty or thirty, but I've thirty three night. I know
you do a lot on the numerology. I haven't looked into it too much
myself, but yeah, it's it's definitely of their favorite numbers. And there's
obviously a connection to Christ there, right, because Jesus Jesus died at thirty
three, so I understand that's right, And David Koresh died at thirty three,
Timid Thing mcveay died at thirty three, so they intentionally, um,
they mark God and like the ninety three million miles, they use that ninety
three because you know, April third is supposed to be is the ninety third
day of the year, and supposedly that's the day they say that Jesus died.
So it's all marckery. It's you know, it's yeah, it's what
they do as they markus. Yeah, no, absolutely, I'm sure.
Then they're laughing a lot. And I tell you what, though, they've
got a sense of humor because some of the things that come out in the
in the news and that are just like they're really quite comical. You know,
even going to some of the NASA stuff, there's you know, liftoffs
from moons where I'm pretty sure they've used glitter or something, yes to show
that. And it's it's funny you mentioned that because they show us on the
filming of the moon landing that the moon is this giant dust ball, right,
but this giant dust ball is putting out this light that we see her
today. Come on, it's crazy. I don't know if you've seen the
NASA Dark Side of the Moon clip where they do like they've filmed it for
a period of like three to five hours or something, and they're kind of
filming from you know, behind the moon where I guess like the sun would
be, and then you know, the Earth's in front of the Moon and
they're seeing the dark side of the Moon pass across the Earth and for five
hours, like those clouds don't move nothing, you know. It's like I
even got my mum with this one. I showed her and I was like,
come on, look at this, like it's not it's not real,
And she's like, oh yeah, so it does does seem quite strange,
doesn't it. But if they lie about one thing, they lie about everything,
Like what's to stop them? You know? And if my mum's a
bit skeptical on the moon landing, sorry yeah I was. You're you're a
spot on. You have a friend. After the second or third lie you
catch them in, you're not gonna believe anything they say anymore. As a
matter of fact, You're probably gonna walk away from them and not talk to
him. Anymore, because why would you hang out with somebody who you don't
trust. And that's kind of the relationship I'm having with our government right now.
I'm I don't want to have part of them. No, I agree,
I don't think there's a political solution notice at all. You know,
And I understand you. You're a Bible man yourself, and I think you
know the answers lie within so rich. I mean, it took me a
while to come to that conclusion as well, but I think, you know,
one of the big things about coming to flat Earth, and one of
the reasons why I do think it's so important is because, well, like
it. First of all, it just it reveals all the lies. You
know, it's it's one of the main ones that's underpinning all the other lies.
So if you kind of remove that, you're you know, you're removing
like your ginger stick right from the bottom of the pile, and all the
rest kind of come tumbling down. But the other thing is, it's it's
pretty much impossible to not point to a creator. And I think that's really
powerful. And I do think Satan's using flatter to kind of snare a lot
of different groups and beliefs and philosophies, but I still think it's impossible to
not point to a creator. And you know, and perhaps this is something
like the ace that God like kept up his sleeve or something to use to
really start bringing people to him, because I was an atheist who turned into
a believer kind of overnight, and then Flat Earth really brought me to the
Bible and to Christ. And you know, that's been a really incredible and
powerful journey for me. Um you know, learning learning that that's the real
history of the world, and the rest of it's kind of been, you
know, a bit of a lie. And I also think, and put
this to you, being like a biblical man, I think there could be
something within the three angels messages around flat Earth to a certain extent, because
that first Angel's message is fear God who made heaven and earth, and I
think the waters and or maybe the seas and something so. And if you
then look at that particular verse and go back to Genesis, you'll see a
direct relationship between what God actually created and the God that we're meant to fear
in the first Angel's message. I don't know if that's something that you've pondered
at all. No, I haven't. And it's you know, that's that
really strikes me. The first Angel proclaims the Everlasting Gospel and calls for the
restoration of the true worship of God as creator. M Wow, that's powerful.
Yeah. Yeah, so I know, you know a lot of people
and even a lot of Christians will be like, what does it matter?
Well, I think it does matter because you know, it's even in the
in the Ten Commandments. You know that we need to make sure that we're
worship in the right God that's right. You know. I think if we're
getting His creation wrong, then you know, maybe we're getting the God wrong
as well. Like I don't know, it's it's just a thought that I've
had. But no, that's that's a great thought. And you know what
that kind of links me to is And I don't mean to jump ship.
I want to keep it on flat Earth. But when the whole COVID thing
was going on in retrospect, I always thought that was their way of telling
us that God didn't make us perfect and we had to rely on man to
survive. Hmm yeah, yeah, and just sends the whole of humanity down
this path that we're not good enough exactly lately, and we must depend on
you know, the smart people. You know that the science you know,
and that's science has in many people's cases, uh, you know, science
has surpassed God. People worship science over God. Absolutely, it's a religion.
There's no doubt about it. And it's an interesting thing because I think,
you know, something else that I kind of woke up to through this
whole process was if you're if you're not sort of subscribed to a belief system,
make no mistake, there's one like that's been prescribed to you. And
I think for the majority of people, like even myself who was an atheist,
I was under the religion of Satanism because that's what the world is.
Yeah, that's and so that's that was kind of a big awakening moment.
It's like, yeah, it's like science, that is a religion. It
is not true science. There is true science, and there is great people
in the medical industry. I've seen. I had a friend who was blown
up, and my gosh, the work that the surgeons do, it's amazing.
But scientism with big pharma and these type of things, that it is
evil. And then that's just my opinion. Yeah, I agree, and
I had a friend and she was someone that really helped me during the early
stages of my wake up and her pathway to you know, waking up herself
was through the corruption in the medical industry. Yeah, I think there's definitely
a place for like, you know, modern medicine. It's amazing situations and
yeah, but yeah, like these you know, vaccines and all that other
pills and that that we're popping at alarming rates. It's yeah, it's a
slow kill. Like it's just a slow death, you know it is.
I mean, you would be sad. There's only you may not see it,
but I think it's only the United States and New Zealand where they're allowed
to advertise big pharma and you know, they promise you this miracle elixir during
the first fifteen seconds of the commercial and then the next forty five seconds or
all the side effects stroke, blindness, death, It's like, are you
really going to risk uh, You're you're receding hairline for a stroke or possibly
death. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I remember that when at the
times I've been over in America, because you guys are crazy on that stuff.
It's absurd, Like the adverts you have on TV, and then you
know, the kind of disclaimers that they run at the end of the adverts
is just yeah, pretty pretty frightening. Yeah. Yeah, they won't repeat
customers. That's that's the bottom line. Really. Yeah. Our healthcare industry
is sickcare and is sick care is what it is. Yeah, and super
expensive. Gus have a really messed up system over there. I had a
couple of other like thoughts, just like biblical thoughts that I thought i'd like
share with you please, just to get your thoughts too. Um, Like,
I've always been interested. There's a verse in Thessalonians that talks about God
sending a strong delusion, and sometimes it makes me wonder, like how much
of this could it possibly be coming from him? Like as part of a
test. I do believe we're here being tested, and I do believe we
will be judged for our our actions on earth. I know people have different
kind of understandings of that biblically speaking, but you know, I think that
either God is maybe testing us with some of these delusions or at least allowing
them, you know, so we are tested, and I just thought i'd
get your thoughts on that one. That's interesting as well, yeah, the
second Thessalonians two eleven, and for this cause, God shall send them a
strong delusion that they should believe a lie. And you know when you say
that, doesn't the COVID narrative fit right into that? Yeah, and heliocentrism
as well, right, yeah, massively. Wow. Yeah, that's another
great observation. Yeah, I think that's really interesting as well. Yeah.
The other thing that I was just thinking about that as well, is like
the firmament and the firmament and sort of tied into extra land because the extra
land thing, and I know I've heard you and other of your listeners speak
about Admiral Bird and that, and again it's not something I've looked into a
huge amount, but I sit on the fence a little bit about the extra
earth, like extra land outside, and I don't I don't doubt it.
It's a possibility. But then I had another thought about it. And if
we think about the Tower of Babel, and I think a lot of people,
myself included, tend to think that that was their attempt to try and
get to God. And if we think about some of their um you know,
like Operation fish Bowl and like trying to blow up the firmament. To
me, it feels like they see themselves as trapped here, and that also
could tie in with their like disliking for God, because they might actually believe
that they are prisoners here under the firmament and they can't get out, and
so they're misbehaving and they're mocking God. And like, it seems if they
had extra land and they could get out, could they just not get out
or do we think maybe there's another firmament that blocks the extra land outside of
this land or it's just an interesting thought, because yeah, I really like
if they had easy access in and out and moving all about the place,
then some of the behavior doesn't quite fit with that. I don't know,
just throwing it out there. Yeah, No, that's a good point,
and that's something I wrestle with quite often. One of the things I think
about is, obviously, if you're if there's land outside of Antarctica, it
would would it not require another son because I mean, do you understand what
I'm getting at? Yeah, yeah, definitely, And then how would we
not see that? Yeah, So there is a lot of questions. It's
intriguing because once again they lied to us about everything. We're not allowed to
go. I mean, you could spend ten grand or whatever and catch a
ride to Deception Island or Rothschild Island and have your little ceremonious picture with the
with the penguins. But outside of that, we're not free to roam down
there. So you know, a lot of it is just conjecture and you
know, a lot of philosophy, a lot of thinking, right, yeah,
no, absolutely, yeah, just a general question as well, Like
this goes on in my mind a lot. I know that, you know,
historically, like I think we're living through it, something big, something
probably unprecedented, although you know, history tells us that there has been some
pretty wild times in the past as well, But I feel like flat Earth
is something a bit different this time around. And I just wonder, with
so many people waking up to it and more and more people are waking up
to it, I believe, like, what is what's the end result here?
Because how can how can we exist with two completely different ideas of cosmology
on this planet for very long without something pretty big taking place? And so
I guess from a you know, like the Bible's perspective, we kind of
know what's coming, but we don't know when. But I feel that flat
earth is in particular, is one topic that makes it feel like if we're
in the end times, we're really in the very tip of them. And
I guess I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. Yeah, exactly,
I'm on board with you, and it takes me back when you were
saying that. I kind of went back. I think. In February I
interviewed Bart Sabrell. He was the guy who did the When Astronauts Go Wild.
He would you know, he did a documentary on the Astronauts and something
he said he said, you know, well he's not so much a flat
Earth. But what he was saying was, if we could prove that the
moon missions the Apollo eleven was a fraud, it would set off a chain
of events that would lead to, you know, this evil being seen by
so many more people. And I think that goes hand in hand with the
Moon landing. If if we could get it to you know, if this
veil would fall, if people would accept flat Earth. I mean number one
that according to the history books, grant you know, man's greatest accomplishment,
hands down, is going to the Moon landing and coming back. Yesterday,
I think it was yesterday a Japanese the Japanese rocket crashed on the Moon.
The story goes, and you know, we saw Friday the SpaceX launch.
It got up thirty nine kilometers and they destroyed it. A three billion dollars
rocket. They just destroyed. Never in the history of the world have we
ever had something to go this backwards, where again, fifty four years ago
we are able to land on the Moon and come back, and now we
can't even get a rocket in the air, and people still buy this stuff.
I think people need to start putting two and two together. And you
know, again, I think COVID is a part, a huge part of
the reason why so many people are awake today and why we have why flat
Earth has such a movement right now, because well, if they're lying about
this, I have to be open to everything. So and I also think
I should say this too. I think to everybody who's listening to me right
now, and we all have good days, we all have bad days.
But God put us here during this time because he knew that we could handle
it. So hang in there, be strong, and you know, continue
the good fight. For lack of a better word, right, absolutely,
I really believe that, and you know, no matter what sort of believe
or philosophy someone's holding on too. I think that that would be true across
you know board, for everyone, is that we're here at this moment in
time by no accident whatsoever. Yeah, and that's that's really empowering. I
think, you know, I don't want to be alike self healthy, spiritual
empowerment, but it is actually quite empowering to think that, wow, we're
here and we can see this. So, you know, even if it
may just be a small part that we have to play, we have a
special role in history at this moment. And yeah, that it gives me,
you know, kind of the inspiration to just keep moving because some days
it's really hard. You know, I gave up, you know, when
I kind of woke up. I gave up this pretty awesome job that was
flying me all around the world and ordered me a pretty nice life. I
now work as like a gardener, and I work as a teacher's aid part
time as well, which is well, that's interesting. Being in the public
school system that is a moral conflict on a daily basis. It's tough,
you know, it's wanting to be there because the kids, most of them
don't and they sort of have to be. And you know, you just
want to try and bring just a little bit of kind of some sort of
normality and just maybe a rational mind. Not that I'm claiming to be the
most rational person, but you know, just being able to help them see
things from a different perspective and just to encourage them to think, think for
themselves and think outside the box. And you know, but at the same
time being conflicted by all the kind of woke you nonsense that's being pushed into
the school systems. And yeah, it's really it's just really confronting actually just
to see what, you know, humanity where we're at now, it's all
coming out in our children. You know, the years of sin passed down
through the generations and now we're just seeing it manifest itself in these poor innocent
children that just don't know any better. And you know, I've got like
five and six year olds that are you know, they're different genders, they're
proclaiming different genders to what they were born, and you know, the behavioral
challenges. Like as a teacher's aid, I think historically it was there to
be like support to you know, academic learning, but it's all behavioral now
and the school that I'm in is not even a really challenging one. There's
some schools that I understand. I don't know if it's the same over there,
but the education support, the teacher's aid. They'll sometimes have like five
or six in a classroom, you know, supporting the yeah, the children
that have those additional needs. So it's been pretty eye opening. But yeah,
I gave up my entire kind of world to when I when I woke
up and realize what was going on. So that's been really, really difficult,
and I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going through that same
same walk. You kind of question everything, you know, when you can
see that the world's kind of really corrupted, it's really difficult to to pull
yourself out of that and to not be part of it, not be contributing
too much to it. And I know when I when I came back to
Australia, when I left London, like it was during all the mandates starting
to come in, and I was pretty terrified because I knew I didn't want
that needle. So I was quite you know, like quite frantic trying to
get back to Australia where all my family is after being abroad for seventeen years,
and yeah, just yeah, I found it like pretty tough and it
was just just a scary, scary time and starting life all over again.
I kept saying, I just want to live in a shack in the woods
that bit. You know, my mom thought I'd lost my mind completely.
And then I actually met my husband and I was during all this chaos,
and he actually was living in like a bush hut, and so we kind
of, yeah, we're like two peas in a pod in that respect.
But it's been awesome because you know, I've gone from like that you know,
sort of shallow corporate world to you know, growing a vegget garden and
we live completely off grid, completely off grid, and and I think this
is one of the beautiful things that's come out of this is there's so many
people that are moving towards, you know, are more like sustainable and self
sufficient because our self sufficiency has been taken away. I mean, we've handed
over our power, there's no doubt about it, but our self sufficiency has
kind of been read out of us through generations of convenience and ease and you
know, computers and all sorts and we don't. You know, we're now
learning again how to take care of ourselves and to feed ourselves and to keep
ourselves healthy. And you know, perhaps things like this needed to happen to
to really wake us up to just how how corrupt the world actually is.
And so, you know, it's hard to say where this is all headed,
but certainly there's been some beautiful positives and that to come out of this
whole kind of tragedy. And you know, the COVID, like the COVID
agenda, so well, there's so much to take you know, that reminds
me of the there's that whole phrase, you know, hard times make good
men, and you know the rotation. You know, if we don't experience
difficulty. You know, they say everybody in prison is religious. It takes
hard times to sometimes for us to be able to see God. And I
can't remember the whole thing, but it talks about hard times make good men,
and then you know, people we relax and it brings difficult times.
There's somebody I follow, but I don't really pay attention to that much,
but he posted something today that came across my social media that really made me
think, and it directly connects to what you just said. Tempole said,
I think we should ask ourselves why so many young people desperately want to be
someone else instead of themselves, And that goes directly to what you said.
For generations, we've never put our foot down and said no, this is
a moral this is wrong, and we've continued to turn turn away and ignore
it. And look what it's festered into now. He even here in our
I'm in just a little old Delaware and our hospital is now accepting gender patients
for fourteen year olds. It's just evil and it's and this is just something
that because we have allowed and just turned away and let it happen. Whether
it's because we're too comfortable or we don't want to be that guy right out
there with a megaphone, which is very uncomfortable. I did it one time
during COVID and it was the most uncomfortable. I felt more comfortable walking down
the streets of Baghdad than standing in Dover with a megaphone saying that everybody is
essential. That's when my wife got fired for taking a job. It's very
intriguing it. But I've also said that, you know, if we want
to make a difference in this world. We have to start doing things that
might be a little bit outside our comfort zone, and little things like that,
if you wake one person up, that person might wake one person up,
and that's how we win this thing. Yeah, I agree, and
I think just spreading the word and getting it out there is just hugely important,
even if it is just quietly, one person at a time, as
you say, yeah, we don't know, we don't all have to be
on megaphones, but that's awesome that you did that, Like it is uncomfortable,
very really really uncomfortable. Yeah, and spreading the word of God too,
I should say that too. Make make sure and spreading the word of
God when you're spreading that makes I always thought, you know, make sure
we spread the word of God as well well. Absolutely, And again you
know that points back to for me, the importance of flat earth, Like
it's there, It's in the Bible. And although you know a lot of
people and sadly it's just it's Christians that are trying to deny that the Bible
says this, and you know, it's it just boggles my mind to think
that that's where the challenges in trying to get this message out there because I
once run online and I took like hundreds of screenshots of people's testimonies, just
random people that I came across on like flat Earth groups and YouTube flat earth
videos and their testimonies of how this either turned them atheists to believe or overnight
or just brought them closer to God. And the churches, the mainstream churches
are just ignoring it or they're ridiculing it. And it blows me away that
the people that are meant to be, you know, for Christ and bringing
people to the Bible and to God are the ones that are rejecting it the
most and making all these excuses like, oh, the firmaments just air or
it's just an expanse, And I was like, that's not possible, like
because further along in the Bible you'll find that the firmament is described as like,
you know, strong, like molten looking glass air or an expose.
It's not it's not hard, it's not strong, it's you know, and
and how can you know, Like what's the verse that's on Vernon von Braun's
Yes, Psalm's nineteen one, right, and work with the firmament, that's
it like handywork doesn't doesn't describe air or an expanse like handywork is something tangible,
like it shows someone's power and skill. And yeah, so all these
things that you know they're trying and backpedal on and make excuses about, or
one of my my least favorite ones that that they'll try and use as um,
well God God wrote that, or you know, God's said that,
describe the earth that way, um for the people that were living there in
that time, because you know, they didn't understand like the full complexity is
of out of space and all this. And and my thing with that is
that's a really slippery slope because what else did God lie? They're accusing him
of lying, right, that's a lie that he's told them if they're you
know, and so what other lies did God tell in his word just to
cater to the simpletons of that time? You know, it's a really dangerous
ground I think for people to be treading on when they're saying that. So
you can't pick and choose what is you know, outside of proverbs, I
guess, because proverbs are meant to be you know, hear some proverbs,
but you can't pick and choose, you know, Well, this is just
an exaggeration. This is the way God told a story. I mean,
it's it's either God's word or it's not. And if you look at Genesis
seven, verse eleven, I'm gonna read it real quick. It says in
the six hundred year of Noah's life, in the second month, seventeenth day,
the same day, where all the fountains of the great deep broken up
and the windows of heaven were opened. And we know the from it.
It's God. In the beginning of Genesis, God separated the waters. Oh
it's beautiful, it really is. Don't you enjoy it? Like I love
looking at the world now through the eyes of a flat earth, you know,
absolutely, and looking at it's just it's so powerful. And I think
I've struggled a couple of times when I've tried to share because my excitement overtakes
me and I become so overzealous trying to get shared that I just have to
back down a little bit. But I just want everyone to know. I
want everyone to see it because it's actually way way cooler than all this out
of space nonsense. It's incredible, a beautiful, little protected container, you
know, everything just giving life to itself. It's just so incredible. It
really it blows my mind, and I yeah, I just I hope more
and more people can start to see it for what it really is. Indeed,
well, this is been just a powerful, powerful interview. You have
done a great job. You should be a podcast to yourself. You were
really lay your thoughts out extremely well. And man, I hope we can
do this again in the future. Is let me ask you one more thing.
Have you had speaking of that? Have you had any luck trying to
relay messages to others? Have you noticed any certain breadcrumbs you can live with
people to pique their interest or any luck with that? Not a huge amount,
but I haven't been super vocal about it. What I did manage to
help sort of coordinate the other day, and this might be an avenue for
people as well. I really love the historical aspect of like picking heliocentrism from
you know, the five hundred years ago kind of deceptions that played out and
it was like a counter reformation movement basically. And there's an awesome documentary called
Helio Sorcery, and I think I sent the link to you. I came
across that and then got in contact with the makers of that, and they're
a small ministry here in Australia that just made this really brilliant documentary on the
history of it. They came through town. I organized my baptism with them
actually, and they came through town last week and we organized a small like
meeting with some local sort of semi awake people and at the end of that
meeting we did have someone else say yes, like, Okay, I can
see it now. And I think that historical aspect, like looking at the
history of it rather than just going, you know, the earth flat we've
all been lied to, actually talking through the history of it could be a
gentler avenue for some people. So, you know, I think if people
haven't seen the documentary Helio Sorcery, it's a it's a really good one to
share for people that might be open, but yeah, not not quite there
yet because you can't you know, the history of it. It just shows
how it's been a full attack on the on the Bible. So maybe a
good one for Christians that aren't fully rejecting it just yet as well. You
know, yeah you did. And by the way, I'll make sure I
put that link in the show description. The Helio sorcery link. You did
send that to me, I'll drop that in the show description, so folks,
if you want to check it out, and it's yeah, you know,
you just connected another dart because I actually on my other podcast last year,
I did the Thirty Year War and Martin Luther and Reformation about you know,
at that time Catholics were buying penance into heaven and he did the the
you know, the ninety three uh, you know, the whole thing that
kicked off Reformation right that was in you know, the early fifteen hundreds,
and you know, I'm just sitting here pulling it up. In fifteen thirty
three, Johann Windmanster delivered in Rome a series of lectures outlining Copernicus's theory.
You know, that is actually, like you said, an anti Reformation message,
and I don't think the timing is off. And Martin Luther's even quoted
a few years later saying that there is talk of a new astrologer who wants
to prove the Earth moves and goes around instead of vice versa. So you
can either trust Martin Luther or you can trust the Jesuits exactly. Yeah,
it's it's I love the historical element of it, that's great helped to seal
the deal, and he closes with saying, however, as Holy Scripture tells
us, so did Joshua a um that the the earth stands stills and not
you know that the earth stands, stills and rotates. Yeah, yeah,
you can't deny that. And also I think that God made two great lights.
Like you can't. You can't mix up those words. That's that's very
plain language. Two great lights, yeah and um. Later on, Jesus
even talks about the sun and moon in terms of having genders, so it
could calls the sun him and says the moon shall not give her light or
something. So's it's very distinct that they're two completely different objects emitting different lights.
So, and it should be noted that the evil people at Wikipedia were
quick to point out as soon as at the end of that quote U.
S. Ninety two this was reported in the context of a conversation at the
dinner table, and not a formal statement of faith. Melancon, however,
opposed the doctrine over a period of years. So again, as soon as
you read that, they're like, by the way, it was just a
dinner conversation you probably had too much wine. Don't buy into it. Yeah,
that's funny. One other thing I will say, which is maybe a
good tip for people I go. I do join a lot of these Facebook
groups of flat Earth and whatnot. I can only spend limited amount of time
in them because my skin is only so thick. But what's a good thing
to do is to go and have a look at the other members and have
a look at who you have mutual friends with. Because I found out through
that that slightly lucination, but my sister in law's twin sister was part of
that group, and I found out, oh my goodness, I actually do
have some remote family members that are also flat earthers. And I would never
have known that if I hadn't gone in and looked for all those mutual friends
through other members of flat earth groups. And I have other you know,
like loose contacts in that. So it's it kind of helped me to show,
Wow, there is a lot of us. There's a lot more of
us than than you know, than we probably suspect. So don't ever feel
alone like we're out there in mass I think absolutely, And again to all
the listeners, feel free to drop into the chat room, and if you
have questions, you can email them to me, but you can also leave
those in the forum, and there's a lot more people who get eyes on
and you'll get different answers, and you know, you can choose what resonates
best with you, So don't be afraid to use these tools. There's a
lot of them. I know Celebrate Truth on YouTube that it seems like they
go twenty four to seven all the time, and there's lots of like minded
people. I can't speak to the type of people that are in there,
but I know there are certain avenues where you can find like minded people because
you know, going back to the beginning of our conversation, it can be
a bit lonely and disconcerting when you wake up. The people kind shy away
from you because they would rather you know, they enjoy their bread and circus
and would rather not be bothered. And that's that's one of the monumental tasks
that we have. And again, we can only lead a horse to the
water. We can't force them to wake up. It's on God's time,
yep, it really is. Yeah, And I'll leave my email with you
as well if anyone wants to reach out to me. I'm always happy to
have new friends. So, yeah, do you want me to use the
one that you emailed me with? Yep, that's perfect, and that's the
Nola Jayne at ProtonMail dot com. That's the one. Yeah, okay,
folks, and it'll be in the show description. Don't feel like you got
to write it down, So you can just go to the show description,
copy and paste and you can send an email to Lauren, who has just
been tremendous. Thank you so much for your time. I know you're you're
busy, and but you've brought so much information that is going to certainly resonate
with so many people. Just was there anything else that you wanted to mention
that we haven't covered yet. No, not really, just to say that,
yeah, don't don't feel alone. There's plenty of us out there.
We're all fighting a good fight in our own own special way, and we
are all special, right, don't take it for granted that you know,
you've got these eyes to see the world for what it really is. And
yeah, just keep keep on going on. Every day is a new day.
And that's the difference between heliocentrism and the flat earth. They want you
to believe that there was an explosion and you know, fish crawed up on
the beach and continue to involve and you just happen to be here during this
time. Nothing could be further from the truth. God, once you hear
it this time to help spread the word. Lauren, thank you so much.
It's been an absolute pleasure to have you on. Thank you, George,
God bless God. Bless you too, and stand by for just one
more second. Ladies and gentlemen for Lauren and myself, thank you so much
for taking the time to listen. Feel free to jump in the chat room
in the forum at the flat earth files dot com and if you'd like to
join the program like Lauren did, it is again the flat earth Files at
gmail dot com. Everybody, have a great week and until next time,
keep your head on a swivel and we will see you