WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:50.679 M h. The following presentation isn't all margat Studios Production. Welcome back to 2 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:55.920 truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the flat 3 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.920 Earth Files and standing by who will be bring in and just a minute is 4 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.680 Lauren from Australia. Before we do, just two quick reminders. Join us 5 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:07.400 on our website, the flat earth Files dot com. Join us in the 6 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.640 chat room. It's been very busy as of recent and feel free to drop 7 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.159 in to the forum. A lot of the questions that you send my way 8 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.319 in the form of an email. You can also drop in the forum and 9 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.359 get a lot more responses that way as well to your questions and if you 10 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.079 would like to email me questions, comments, concerns, or join us like 11 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.840 Lauren is tonight, it is the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. 12 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.719 All right, with that out of the way, we have a very special 13 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:38.319 guest joining us from Australia today. Ladies and gentlemen, please help us welcome 14 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:42.719 Lauren. Lauren, thank you so much for taking the time. I know 15 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:47.560 it's I guess Thursday morning. You said nine o'clock your time, so we 16 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.920 appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to join us today. 17 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.480 Yeah, thanks so much for having me, George. Let's said, I'm 18 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.879 no one special, but I really just wanted to share my story, my 19 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:06.040 journey to coming to flat Earth and everything that happened in between. I've really 20 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.840 resonated with hearing a lot of the other stories from listeners, and yeah, 21 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.599 I think testimony is a really powerful and so I just thought if I could 22 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.680 share mine and maybe connect with someone out there, then yeah, that would 23 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.800 be awesome. So thanks for giving me a bit of a platform, And 24 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:28.800 thanks so much for your podcasts. Like I love it. I really just 25 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:34.280 love like you're measured and really down to a down to earth approach. So 26 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.680 that's yeah, really cool. And just the fact that you give, you 27 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:43.759 know, just average average people out there like me the opportunity to just speak 28 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:50.240 up, because I think it can be quite lonely when you come to know, 29 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:55.120 like waking up, especially to flat Earth's and there's almost like a persecution 30 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.120 and I think people, I know myself, I haven't shared it with the 31 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:07.199 huge amount of my family and friends yet because yeah, people just really can 32 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.599 take quite badly to even mentioning the topic. And I think you spoke about 33 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.120 that in one of your other podcasts as well, that there's sort of a 34 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:19.960 level, you know, that goes up in terms of can I speak you 35 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:24.400 know, about this particular topic around the water cooler or not? And yeah, 36 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:29.759 flat Earth is pretty out there. So I think it's really great that 37 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.199 people can just come on and just you know, kind of offer a bit 38 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.840 of their story and perhaps get a few things off their chest that maybe they're 39 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:42.000 not able to speak to friends and family and like about. So yeah, 40 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:46.159 so I just thought I'd come on and share my my little piece, my 41 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.319 piece of the God's big tapestry. There you go, and thank you very 42 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.240 much for the kind words. And we're all just trying to get through the 43 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.759 days. And I think some of the common factors of all the emails I 44 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.960 it one is flat Earth. In most cases, it brings people closer to 45 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.400 God. But really, what you said a minute ago, and that's something 46 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:11.639 that I go through myself. It is almost and that's a word that I 47 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.680 don't think I've ever used before, but you're right, it's almost a persecution 48 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.040 that people just look at you in like, well, you know, George 49 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:21.720 has lost it, and people kind of shy away from you, and it 50 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:27.399 does almost become lonely, but at the same time, I just couldn't trade 51 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.319 being awake to going back asleep knowing the evil that traverses the earth on a 52 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.279 daily basis. It's just something I can't look past. What are your thoughts 53 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:40.800 on that? Oh? Absolutely. I always say that my awakening was the 54 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.759 most traumatic experience of my life, but I wouldn't change it for the world. 55 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.800 My awakening was kind of funny because it was really slow in one respect, 56 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:55.279 and then it was quite sudden in another. So from an early age, 57 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.560 I always suspected something was a little bit off in the world. And 58 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.959 I remember when I was about ten years old, I was in my mom's 59 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.240 room, like jumping up and down on the bed, listening to what we 60 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:12.399 had. Here was a TV show on the weekends called Video Hits, and 61 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:16.439 they play like the countdown of all the top hits of the week, and 62 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.879 there was a song I don't know if you remember it called Crazy by Seal 63 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:25.959 Oh of course, yeah, yeah, And even at ten years old, 64 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.480 that song kind of really struck me. I was like, something is crazy, 65 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.360 something is really wrong in this world. I remember jumping up and down 66 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.839 on the bed and just thinking, what is it like, what is this 67 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.959 world. And then not too long after that, a few years we got 68 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.399 like dial up internet, and you know, it's sort of thirteen fourteen. 69 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.879 I was looking at JFK and the moon landing, and I already decided that 70 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:54.920 I didn't believe the moon landing. And so, you know, from to 71 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:59.399 think that back way back then, I'm forty three now, to think that 72 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.759 way back then, I was already sort of semi awake, but it took 73 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:09.120 me until more recently to fully come to that that real conscious awareness is quite 74 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.240 crazy. You know. It's like, for the majority of my life I 75 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.759 kind of understood that there had been this huge life that had been told to 76 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:21.839 the world, and yet the gravity of that gravity, gravity of that just 77 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:28.959 invite Yeah, I just didn't quite you know, hit me, and so 78 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:31.800 I kept, you know, just living my life. I was an absolute 79 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.800 tear away as as a teenager, and you know, really rebellious and kind 80 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:43.240 of always went against the grain. And then when I was in my early 81 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:50.240 twenties, I left Australia and went traveling overseas for twelve months backpacking, which 82 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:57.360 turned into about seventeen years, and I spent the majority of my time living 83 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.120 over in in London. I saw a lot of the world, Like I 84 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:08.240 had a really great job over there that afforded me a lot of travel, 85 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:12.000 and I've got to see a lot of different things. But I was always 86 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:16.759 very conspiratorial minded, and so I kept looking at all these different things. 87 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:21.439 And you know, my nickname was always like conspiracy Lauren, and oh you're 88 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.279 always you know, you're always looking at this stuff. Or one of my 89 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:29.199 friends even one time, had said to me, oh, come on, 90 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:32.600 you get off on this kind of stuff. Like I don't really get off 91 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:38.399 on it. It's like things are happening in this world that are like their 92 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:42.439 lies, you know, and like that that doesn't sit well with me. 93 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.199 I'm not okay with it. So I have to kind of talk about it 94 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.920 and get it out there. And I think, say nine to eleven again, 95 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.560 you know a lot of people. That woke a lot of people up. 96 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:59.480 I was actually still in Australia when that happened, and obviously at the 97 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.560 time different. It was about eleven o'clock at night from memory when it kicked 98 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:09.879 off over here, and I'd been working an afternoon shift and I got home 99 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.920 and it was around that time where some of the like big Hollywood movies with 100 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.720 all these great new special effects were coming out, and I just remember looking 101 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.839 and I was like, what movie is this? Like I couldn't think, 102 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.319 you know, when i'd seen it advertised and that, And I mean, 103 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.360 how funny now to think have thought, oh, it was a movie, 104 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:37.120 because we know, you know, how orchestrated it all was. But I 105 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.000 think, really now reflecting back on that, it really shows me like the 106 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.679 power of the spells that were under because I remember, even though it didn't 107 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.080 kind of wake me up. I remember the next day I called in sick 108 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.840 to work just so I could lie on the couch on the sofa and just 109 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:03.159 watch the TV. And I was mesmerized, like I just I couldn't pull 110 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:09.200 myself away from it. And now I think, like, this is this 111 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.440 is what tells me that there's so much more going on on a spiritual level 112 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:20.799 than just the fact that there's some bad people doing some bad stuff, because 113 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:26.559 they have this power. They've got this power to really hypnotize us to the 114 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:33.080 point where like we're not even believing our own eyes, you know. And 115 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.399 yeah, so I just, yeah, going back to all that, it 116 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.039 was like it was a bit of an awakening sort of at the time. 117 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.360 But it wasn't until a few years after that I really started looking into into 118 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.320 nine to eleven and realizing just how deep it goes. And yeah, but 119 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:58.159 still even at that point, I was still kind of oldly semi kind of 120 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.000 conscious of everything. It was, accepting that there were these big lies. 121 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:07.360 But again I just wasn't recognizing just how big that was. And so I 122 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.720 was I was just going to say two real things, if I can interject, 123 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.000 you were right about that timeline. UM. There was two very significant 124 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.679 events that took place in two thousand and one as far as programming, and 125 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.799 I speak about that a lot, like they did the movie Outbreak in the 126 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.440 mid to late nineties with Dustin Hoffman, and then twenty and thirteen they did 127 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.080 Contagion, and you know that's just two movies, and there's you know, 128 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.960 they pushed the uh you know this, the fear of UM. You know, 129 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.679 the germs, and when March kicked off in twenty twenty people, you 130 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.799 know, that's the programming they do to get your mind program to automatically we 131 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:52.240 must obey. May of two thousand and one, the Pearl Harbor movie UM 132 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.000 dropped, and that was three hours of Blockbuster, you know that this mind 133 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.960 based trauma reliving what happen happened seventy years ago. But at the same time, 134 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.799 there was the group who authored a New American Century that said it would 135 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.200 take a new nine to eleven to bring us into this new level of military 136 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.159 and industrial complex that we see today. There was also a TV show on 137 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.720 Fox and it read about the same time, April May of two thousand and 138 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.360 one, where the plot was literally a plane was going to fly into I 139 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.120 don't know if it was the Empire, state building or whatever, but they 140 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.360 program your mind to prepare these type of events so when they do happen, 141 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:37.159 you were more apt to accept it. Yeah, I mean, and most 142 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.639 of us sort of, you know, come from a conspiracy angle, Like 143 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.759 look at the Simpsons and can see a lot of what they've done there. 144 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.240 And like I remember watching that, you know, when it first came out. 145 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.000 My brother and I could just about quote every episode, you know, 146 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.120 so getting us from a really really young age as well. And I think 147 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:03.600 there was another one I remember seeing someone did a bit of a rundown on 148 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.879 Back to the Future and the nine to eleven programming and Back to the Future 149 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:13.240 as well. Yeah, like that was really interesting. You know. I 150 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:18.360 remember there was one bit where there's a camera angle that like if you flip 151 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.919 the whole scene upside down, it basically is the two twin towers coming down. 152 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.879 That's correct. Yeah, So you know the one it was in the 153 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.759 evening when they're at the mall and he's trying to see dark and that the 154 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.960 electronic clock and whether it says Twin Pines mall if you turn that upside down, 155 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:43.360 yeah, And I think there's another scene where they're watching like inside one 156 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.759 of the houses and they're watching TV and someone in the scene is actually hanging 157 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:54.919 upside down, so's he's watching the movie upside down, But when you flip 158 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.559 it up around the other way, it shows the tower was coming down. 159 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.840 I don't know, maybe there's like look into it. If anyone listening and 160 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.600 they're interested, it's like pretty mind blowing what they're what they've done. But 161 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:11.399 it's just all around us, and you know, once you kind of wake 162 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.960 up to it, you just start seeing it everywhere. I think you quote 163 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.799 is it um Manly p Hall that you quote that says like once you can 164 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.759 read like the signs and the symbols, you'll understand the world more or like 165 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:31.799 I'm misquoting that, yes, ma'am, yeah, absolutely, so yeah. 166 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.879 So there I was just kind of conspiratorial, but not quite you know, 167 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.519 accepting just how big it was. I think when things like Illuminati and that 168 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.399 started to come up, I was like, no, that's a bit too 169 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.000 far. It can't it can't be that big, you know. And then 170 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:54.360 and then COVID happened, and I was in London at the time, and 171 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:00.000 I kind of I was going along with it all, but I always remember 172 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.360 feeling a bit like uneasy about the whole mask wearing, and I was like, 173 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.720 something just didn't didn't quite sit right with me. And then after a 174 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.559 while, I just sort of my rebellious streak, I guess probably more than 175 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:15.279 anything, came out and I was like, I'm not wearing these silly masks, 176 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.559 like they're just ridiculous. I look silly and you know. And then 177 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.799 we got I worked in a job where we could work from home anyway, 178 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:33.759 so straight away we were yeah, it really was straight away we were we 179 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:39.039 were told to stay at home, so that straight away gave me a little 180 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:45.799 bit of extra time on my hands that I hadn't previously had and I used 181 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.240 to travel a lot with work, so we were completely grounded, so again 182 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.080 giving me a little bit more time on my hands. And I had in 183 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.559 the previous years still been looking a little bit into like the Trump staff, 184 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.960 and I kind of predicted that he'd get in, and then he got in 185 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:09.840 and around the similar time I'd looked into Pizza Gate. Do you remember that? 186 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:20.919 Absolutely? Yeah, I mean that was that was crazy again now, 187 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:26.039 like the lies are so big, it's hard to tell where they start and 188 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:33.200 where they end, indeed, because everything's so orchestrated, and yeah, I 189 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.120 mean they played both sides of everything, and you know, it's just it 190 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.879 is all the world's a stage, like no true words have been said, 191 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.320 you know. Um. So I don't doubt that really awful stuff like that 192 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:52.919 um is going on for sure, but you know, yeah, how much 193 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:58.000 of it, how much of these bad guys are just fall guys, And 194 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:02.480 you know they're living on like beautiful remote island somewhere that we don't know about 195 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.799 while they're getting you know, taking the fall for X, Y and Z. 196 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.679 We just don't really know. But I certainly went pretty deep on the 197 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:17.440 Pizza Gate thing. And so yeah, when COVID happened. I was already 198 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.519 still off the back of the kind of Trump and Pizza Gate thing, so 199 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:29.360 I was back getting fairly deep into the conspiracies again, and I started to 200 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:37.200 think something's not right with all this, and I took myself off to Italy. 201 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.320 I packed my dog and myself up and we left London because like, 202 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:48.519 the lockdowns were just so just horrific. I thought, I don't want to 203 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:53.120 be in the city anymore. So we drove to Italy and I rented this 204 00:16:53.519 --> 00:17:00.240 really beautiful cottage in the middle of nowhere. I barely speak the lang which 205 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.799 although I do have Italian grandparents, so there was a little bit of familiarity 206 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:10.240 for me. But I was like ten minutes out of a very like small, 207 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:17.240 small village, and again we went into a lockdown. So I was 208 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:22.400 totally like just on my own in the middle of nowhere, just had my 209 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:29.160 dog and a laptop, and I started to dig really, really deep, 210 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:37.160 and then I really started to wake up. And I really believe I don't 211 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.480 know if this is something you've ever experienced, but I really believe that in 212 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.160 the lead up to those years, I was having some demonic attacks as well, 213 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:51.160 and when I was in Italy, there were some very strange things that 214 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:55.000 happened, like things that were now I'm going to sound like a real kuk, 215 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:59.240 but like things that were moving and you know, like furniture that was 216 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:04.599 getting misplay east and stuff. And so I have heard other stories from people 217 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:10.200 that when they kind of get close to that waking up period, they do 218 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:15.240 have you know, they have experienced these sort of demonic attacks and like sleep 219 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.759 paralysis and stuff like that. Again, which makes me like quite certain that 220 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:29.799 we're dealing with very spiritual, dark entities. But that moment when I really 221 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.880 woke up, So I'll just go back action just say that I had a 222 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:41.880 Catholic upbringing, but not very Catholic. So my grandparents said were Italian on 223 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.160 my mum's side, and they were Catholic, and they brought my mom up 224 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:52.880 Catholic, but like Catholic light like they just sort of thought these are some 225 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:59.480 nice values. It wasn't a very spiritual They weren't Bible readers. It wasn't 226 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.000 really brought into the home that much. So I say Catholic, but it 227 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:11.839 was just for you know, just a superficial like version of religion. And 228 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:15.519 I did go to Catholic primary school and a Catholic high school for a short 229 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:22.559 while, but again just here in Australia, and certainly when I was growing 230 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:27.400 up, it was like just Catholic schools were like the private school so they 231 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:33.000 were kind of seen as maybe a slightly better education than the public schools. 232 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:38.960 So it wasn't I didn't have a religious upbringing, and certainly when I hit 233 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:45.400 my teen years, I thought that God was like a fairy tale and religion 234 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:52.160 was pretty much the root of all evil. And I maintained that stance until 235 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.240 yeah, just until a few years ago during the COVID thing, when I 236 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:02.400 woke up and it And this is why I said at the beginning like it 237 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:06.880 was a bit of a slow awakening because from a very early age I suspected 238 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:11.039 something was wrong and was looking into all the conspiracies. But then it was 239 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:15.680 a very quick awakening because George, I had this moment. I don't think 240 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.920 I'll ever be able to articulate it verbally, but it was like everything changed 241 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:27.240 in my life in an instant, and all those little puzzle pieces that i'd 242 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:37.039 been collecting absolutely and I just knew, Wow, there's a lot of evil 243 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:44.039 in this world, and God is real, and I ran outside, I 244 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:45.759 got on my knees, I said the our father. It was the only 245 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:52.440 thing I could remember. And then that was it. I just I knew 246 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:57.119 God was real, Like it's just a crazy moment and yeah, and I 247 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:02.200 don't think it would have happened if it hadn't for all the lockdowns and all 248 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.640 that, you know, time spent alone and time reflecting and and kind of 249 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:12.960 yeah, looking at the world. But I've heard you talk about when you 250 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.359 came to flat Earth and you had the two weeks of like not sleeping, 251 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:23.640 and I can relate, but I I wish mine was two weeks. I 252 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.599 was not okay for like twelve months after after waking up, I really struggled, 253 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.960 so and I guess this is maybe why I wanted to share a bit 254 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.160 of my story as well, because I hear other people just sort of like, 255 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.519 yeah, woke up and then you know the world was a lie and 256 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.680 dada. I was like, I didn't sleep for like six months, not 257 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:51.640 properly. I got on all those telegram groups and I don't know if you 258 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.920 had had them over there. I know you had them because they were international, 259 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.119 but I don't know if you ever signed up to them or anything, 260 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:07.519 but they like they would run twenty four hours, and they'd have like open 261 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.079 phone lines and anyone from around the world could just drop in and just talk. 262 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:18.319 And so everything was being shared on these on these group calls, and 263 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:23.400 a lot of it was obviously really really dark. And I remember two things 264 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:29.880 from different calls that I joined, and one of them was, um, 265 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.480 someone saying, gosh, I'd really hate to be waking up now because there's 266 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:40.079 so much information, like, you know, there must be blowing people's minds 267 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:45.920 totally. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, not to mention 268 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:51.559 the fact that the entire world has just been locked down, and so that 269 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:57.839 that in itself showed just how big and coordinated and how many people were in 270 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:02.640 on this. And I know it doesn't take you know, hundreds of thousands 271 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:06.440 or millions or whatever like it can be controlled by a fairly small group of 272 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:10.359 people. But that's a huge amount of control to be able to lock down 273 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:15.720 the entire world. Absolutely, but it's that, let me say real quick, 274 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:19.759 It makes it so much easier when you control ninety six percent of the 275 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:26.799 media. Absolutely, yeah, no, definitely, And again it kind of 276 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:32.880 shows the power of the programming as well, because my job at that time. 277 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:40.160 I was working for an association that I mean, we had to say 278 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.799 the word advocate, but we were basically lobbying for five G. That was 279 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:48.519 a huge part of my role at the time of waking up. So I 280 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.559 went into a huge state of like fear and paranoia. So there I was, 281 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.920 you know, just coming to terms with this. The five G agenda 282 00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:00.880 was, you know, part of the stuff that I'd been looking into. 283 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:07.359 And I'm you know, logging onto a job that is pretty much pushing all 284 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:14.559 this stuff, and that the two nights after I had the big moment of 285 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:18.839 kind of wow, God is real and this world is really kind of scary. 286 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:26.720 I wrapped up every electrical device that I own with tinfoil, which apparently 287 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.880 actually can help to conduct Oh yeah, those fair days, a lot of 288 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:37.119 people buy them up. Yeah, oh yeah. I wrapped my head. 289 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.160 I tell this just because it's funny now, but I wrapped my head in 290 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.599 tinfoil and I slept with a saucepan over my head for two nights in a 291 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.680 row. Goods, I was in such such a state of fears. But 292 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.400 two things and number one, once again, when you don't when they lie 293 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.960 to you about everything. It's hard to discern what is wet. So sometimes 294 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.880 we do maybe go overboard a little bit, but it's just because we have 295 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.400 we can't discern what is the truth. And the other thing is as far 296 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.960 as you working for a company that was advocating five G that that's what you 297 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.799 were going through. That's exactly how I was going through the latter few years 298 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.079 of my time in the military when I started to really understand how the world 299 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.519 worked. And uh, you know, I was a part of that. 300 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.359 So I completely understand like having you know, and sometimes as humans in our 301 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:29.079 line of work, we are sometimes associated with some not so great people. 302 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.799 You know people, there's a lot of people who listen, I'm sure who 303 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.519 work for banks, and we know the banksters are responsible for many of these 304 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:40.799 wars. So I completely get your feeling on that. M. Do you 305 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.920 still have contact with any of your friends from your days? And oh, 306 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.799 yeah, not as many as I used to, but we still talk. 307 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:56.000 Yeah. Are there any that you know of that are awake and still no 308 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.680 thing? No? No, no, no, is that because most have 309 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:07.319 woken up and left or no, it's going back to the beginning. I'm 310 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.680 you know, I've had friends that I I mean, I served in combat 311 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:17.680 with very close friends, and when I start to come out of the closet 312 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.319 right as as a truther and start to tell the things that I believe is 313 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:26.000 going on in the earth, people tend to um not contact me so much. 314 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.640 So, you know, it's a shame. You know, I spent 315 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.240 a lot of time with these people in some very rough times. But it 316 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.480 really goes to show that it is, like you said, being persecuted. 317 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.720 It's it's real when you come out and start to express your beliefs. And 318 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:45.839 then it goes back to part of the reason that that got us through the 319 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.319 BS that was going on in Iraq was well, we're defending the constitution, 320 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:55.119 are right for free speech. And then when you um, you know, 321 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:57.519 you put yourself out there, you get, like you said, persecuted. 322 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.559 So it's it's kind of a double ledge sword. I want people to know 323 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.880 who I am genuinely, and then at the end of the day, you 324 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:10.200 end up your text messages don't come back too often as much as they used 325 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:17.079 to. Yeah, I've told a couple of friends, but they're they're more 326 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:22.759 the friends that definitely not judgmental, but they just haven't taken me seriously and 327 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.359 just like, oh, all right, then I just kind of laughed it 328 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:29.720 off, you know, and I never really questioned it much more than that. 329 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.440 Actually, my husband is not there on it, which can be quite 330 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.240 difficult at times. And I know there's a lot of people in the same 331 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:42.680 situation, you know, and I've heard of actually marriage is breaking down over 332 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.160 it and everything, which is part of why I think, you know, 333 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:51.920 people can cling so easily to the idea that flat earth is, you know, 334 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:59.119 a deception from from Satan because it is divisive and so on. The 335 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.839 outset kind of looks like it could be from the enemy. But I don't 336 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:10.440 I don't believe that for a moment. Does your husband does he accept things 337 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:14.160 like let's say, the moon landing and Kennedy at nine to eleven or and 338 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:19.559 it just kind of stops at flat Earth. He he's a very practical man, 339 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:26.319 so unless he can like tangibly prove something, he tries to just remain 340 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.119 a bit on the fence. He definitely has suspicions around what happened at nine 341 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.279 to eleven and the moon landing. I haven't really asked him too much on 342 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.039 it because I know that he just doesn't engage much with the flat Earth topics, 343 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.079 so I just kind of I tend to leave it alone a little bit. 344 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.079 But he certainly knows a lot of what's going on, like the corruption 345 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.640 in the world. He sees it for what it is, So you know, 346 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.920 we're definitely on the same page about a lot of things, but that 347 00:28:55.960 --> 00:29:00.279 one's been a little bit of a tricky one to navigate round. And any 348 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.160 listeners out there that are going through the same thing, I feel free to 349 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:10.000 reach out because it can be a really really challenging thing when the people closest 350 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:14.480 to you have different opinions. But we're navigating through it, you know, 351 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.400 all right, And I just we kind of put it on the shelf for 352 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.759 the most part, and you know, we just have to respect where each 353 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.960 other's at. He's he's a Christian man, so you know, it's Christian 354 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.720 values. We do need to try and accept where people are at. And 355 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.039 I really I believe this is on God's time, you know, this one. 356 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.680 So it's I tend to not push it on people just in general anyway, 357 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:45.839 but for me, and I'll kind of go back to a little bit 358 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:52.640 of my story in coming to flat Earth. So I had that moment where 359 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.519 I accepted that God was real, but anything outside of that, as far 360 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.720 as I was concerned, was probably a lie. So it took me a 361 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:10.319 while to come to the Bible, and um, I I think a lot 362 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:14.240 of people come down to the Bible through the path of prophecy, but that 363 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.000 wasn't working for me because I was like, well Simpsons was prophesizing, you 364 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:29.319 know, yeah, yeah, So m I struggled a little bit, but 365 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.319 it and coming to flat Earth, so I'd already this was I'd been kind 366 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:38.559 of awake and had the awakening moment probably a few months prior, and I 367 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:45.319 had looked into flat Earth before, probably about twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. 368 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.799 I did a couple of times, but even for me, I was like, 369 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.839 that is out there, like these people are crazy. And it's because, 370 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:57.000 of course, we all know, when you first start looking into flat 371 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.960 Earth and you don't really know where to go. The stuff that they put 372 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.720 out there is it's just absolute nonsense, and you know, it's designed to 373 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:11.000 drive people away from it and make people think that it is absolutely crazy. 374 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.839 So I kind of put it on the shelf. But then after COVID and 375 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.640 kind of waking up to how big everything was. I was like, Okay, 376 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.920 I think it's time to go and have another little look at that. 377 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:30.480 And I remember watching an Eric Debate movie, one of his documentaries. I 378 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.720 can't remember what one it was. I think it's called something like how Everything 379 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.960 Works on a Flat Earth? Okay, and he was he the one who 380 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.960 did the flat Earth proofs as well? He did yeah, I think two 381 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:49.039 hundred proofs the Earth. Yeah. So I put that on and within five 382 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.440 minutes I just went, oh, and the Earth is flat as well. 383 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.680 You know. It's like, so there's all this stuff, but now the 384 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.119 Earth is flat. But my acceptance of it by by this point, and 385 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.559 I'd already come to accept so many lies and deceptions and been through all the 386 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.079 fear and everything that it actually brought me a huge amount of peace. And 387 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.200 I just went wow. And again it was like all the puzzle pieces of 388 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.720 my life. You know, I've been on planes hundreds of times, like 389 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.799 traveling all over and just silly things like I remember, you know, flying 390 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:28.240 certain destinations and the Sun would like just literally be there beside you in the 391 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.119 plane the whole time, like you're traveling with the sun and it's it's right 392 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.480 there. You can see it in amongst the clouds, and you know, 393 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:40.200 just things that just don't click at the time because we've been conditioned to view 394 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.319 things in a completely different light. So you know, there's that there's just 395 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.680 I never saw a curve. I really didn't like you see it. You 396 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.079 think you see a curve, You see just sort of it's like an edge 397 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.359 because that's how far your eyes can see. And that's about it. But 398 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.640 there's no curve. There's no like building things that are sort of tilted back 399 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.759 because you know the Earth's curving around. There's it's just it's nonsensical, all 400 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.480 right. And there's so many places that I'd flown over where it was just 401 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:19.039 flat for ages, and you know, start thinking about things like, well, 402 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.440 if the Earth's spinning and we're flying like east to west or whatever, 403 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.039 like why don't we just take off and let the Earth come to us? 404 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.960 You know, all these kinds of things that just have never never think about 405 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.920 them before, and then you know you can't you can't make sense of them. 406 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.759 Um, there's other ones as well, like you know they try and 407 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.960 say that like a helicopter is moving with the Earth's atmosphere. That's why it's 408 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.720 you know, and then you're like, well, what if, what if 409 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.519 you're going against the Earth's atmosphere, why are we not feeling any push or 410 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.559 anything? And I think you've just done something on the Coriolis effect, and 411 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.519 I really want to listen to it because I'm not super familiar with it, 412 00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:07.200 but I'm pretty sure that moving with the Earth's atmosphere is completely contrary to the 413 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.880 Choreolis effect. I don't know if you've got any thoughts on that indeed. 414 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.920 And yeah, the reason I brought it up because we had a listener email 415 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.000 us and he said he remembered being in sniper's school at Fort Benning, Georgia, 416 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.760 and he thought he remembered being taught about the Choreolis effect. And then 417 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.079 I replied to him, I said, during two of my four tours in 418 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.800 Iraq, we were authorized snipers and it was my job to purchase them equipment 419 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.519 for their mission. So I went out. We got him a sniper sites, 420 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.360 we got him a barometer, a wind detector, a handheld one. 421 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.800 But nothing about the conversation ever came out. So I pulled the FM, 422 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.760 the field manual for sniper school. Not a word. He goes back we're 423 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.760 chatting back and forth. He goes back checks his notes and he realizes he 424 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.119 claimed it was put into whatever measurements are in it. So he's like, 425 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:58.480 man, they bamboozled me. There's no such thing. And then I just 426 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:04.159 kind of compared it to what you were exactly talking about with flight going back 427 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.880 to before we had GPS in the forties and fifties, and when they were 428 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.400 flying, they didn't factor in the spin of the Earth. The only thing 429 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.440 they factored in was the wind. That's the only thing they factored in. 430 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.360 And one more thing, if I could add, since we're on this note, 431 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.880 anybody can go to Travelocity or wherever you're buy your plane tickets. Okay, 432 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.199 I want you to say you're departing Sydney, Australia, and you want 433 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.679 to fly to Johannesburg, South Africa. Now you're going to have a stop. 434 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.079 No matter where you buy these tickets from, you're gonna have a stop 435 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.800 in Abu Dhabi. I want you to look at that flight plath, the 436 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.519 flight path on a globe, and then I want you to look at that 437 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.960 flight path on the flat Earth map and tell me which one makes sense, 438 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:53.320 because the one on the globe makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah, it's just 439 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:58.920 all this stuff that we just haven't questioned that. Yeah, once you kind 440 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:04.199 of start to see it, um, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Indeed, 441 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.679 I haven't really looked at the flight paths too much, but I know 442 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.639 I've seen a couple of like the emergency landings that don't make any sense. 443 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:17.280 Yea, yeah, definitely check that out. It makes no sense. You're 444 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.360 literally going northeast and then down south, but on the flat earth map you're 445 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:29.320 just gone pretty much straight across. It makes perfect sense. Yeah. Yeah, 446 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.199 I feel like planes are a big part of Yeah, just the reality 447 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.119 of where we live, and you can't make sense of a lot of these 448 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.880 things on the globe, which spins my mind that there's not more pilots coming 449 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:50.360 out. Yeah, And I don't know if this is just the deep programming 450 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.079 that they're under. I believe it is. What's your thoughts, It's it's 451 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:59.800 both. I think it could be the way I mean, m I think 452 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:06.519 it's programming. I think the glass in the airline in airplanes are probably I 453 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.360 mean they're not. They're beveled to an extent, so that may cause you 454 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:13.639 to see some curvature. Maybe I've never really noticed it in my flights. 455 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:19.119 And I'm like you, I've flown you know, probably a hundred times from 456 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.880 you know, continental to you know, around the world, and there's a 457 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.559 couple things that I always go back to. I remember, you know, 458 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.079 on the transcontinental flights, looking at why are we flying in this loop? 459 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.880 Like we would go up around Greenland, Nova Scotia and curve back down towards 460 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.119 London. It wasn't a straight line. But you know, I never put 461 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.599 two and two together. It's just now that I'm awake and go back and 462 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.360 think about that map they always had showing where we were. That the flight 463 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.880 path that they showed us never make any sense. And they were a business, 464 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.039 so why would they not fly in a straight line to save money on 465 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:59.079 gas? Yeah? Yeah, and just the flight times being basically the same 466 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.199 from one way to the other. Exactly if you if you're claiming we're spending 467 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.840 one thousand miles an hour, we should have a significant difference in time. 468 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.159 And the only thing, if we're coming west to east, it's got to 469 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.760 be a little quicker, but that's only because of the wind. Yeah, 470 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.320 And it's funny, like, I don't know if you've ever been on any 471 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:21.480 of the kind of flat earth groups on Facebook or anything where they're debating back 472 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:27.960 and forth, like it's almost impossible to debate because you're kind of you know, 473 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:37.599 like one is debating these complicated like mathematical equations with logic and like it's 474 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.719 actually really they're really difficult conversations and debates to have, yeah, because you 475 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.280 know, like those of us on the flat earth side or flurfers, they 476 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:54.000 call us flurfers. I don't know if you've heard that. Yeah, yeah, 477 00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:59.639 we'd just get yeah, like dumbed down as kind of simpletons, and 478 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.239 you know, you're so silly you don't understand the mathematics behind it. But 479 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.239 the mathematics is just it's just numbers. It doesn't actually mean anything. But 480 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.760 there's no reality behind the numbers, you know. And you're coming out that 481 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.840 with like logical you know, arguments, which is, how are we moving 482 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.719 with the atmosphere one way and not the other or you know east to west 483 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:29.440 blight times and all that, and they just they can't quite see it. 484 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:34.079 Sometimes I wonder, you know, there is there's something deeper that's kind of 485 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:39.000 going on, because I know, like for me, when I first came 486 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.639 to flat Earth. One of the big things for me was the moon. 487 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.599 I just loved watching the moon and you know, could recognize how close it 488 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:54.079 was and seeing you know that it's not a reflection of the sunlight, and 489 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.119 it doesn't look like a reflection of any light. Absolutely, it really does 490 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:05.480 look like this perfect, you know, huge torch in the sky and you 491 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:10.119 can see it move in between clouds and realize just you know, how much 492 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.400 how much closer it is. But even with my husband, I will sit 493 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.639 out there sometimes and just every now and then when I'm feeling like I might 494 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.000 not set him off on one, I'll be like, can you see how 495 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.920 you know that the moon's moving between the clouds? Like can you see that 496 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.280 sometimes the clouds are in front of the moon and sometimes they're behind, Like, 497 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.880 surely that that means the moon's closer, you know, or the clouds 498 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.840 like two hundred and thirty eight thousand miles away. And he genuinely says he 499 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.239 can't see what I'm seeing, And I think, what is it? Like? 500 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.639 Are they are people actually seeing something different? Was I previously seeing something 501 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.639 different? Does something actually happen when we get awakened? And that veil is 502 00:40:54.679 --> 00:41:00.079 lifted. I don't know if that's something you've pondered at all. Yeah, 503 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.000 I agree, one hundred percent. It's programming. It's it's one hundred percent 504 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.039 programming. And I've said before, Um, you know, if a guy 505 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.280 who is wearing a lab coat and he's stand in front of a television camera, 506 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.400 you're going to take his advice. What You've never met this guy before, 507 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.400 You've never met Tony Fauci, you know, you don't know him from 508 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.079 Adam, but you're going to take his advice over you know, somebody you've 509 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.679 met your own life, and that that's it's all part of the programming. 510 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.159 Somebody, Uh Simon, I'm just going to say his first name sent me 511 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.440 a picture today and it's of the sun. It looks like it's just above 512 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.440 the clouds shining down with the rays going in all these different directions. And 513 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.360 he's like, how could we have these sun rays going in all these different 514 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.280 directions if the sun was ninety three million miles away? And I get pictures 515 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.320 all the time and it's just amazing. And uh, Nicola Tesla once said, 516 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.840 we've gotten away from using our you know, our eyes and ears. 517 00:41:53.119 --> 00:42:00.559 I'm paraphrasing here. But basically science has gone from proving things to Matt right 518 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.320 that they use math equations to prove their point versus you see somebody like David 519 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.440 Waste and these people who actually go out there with lasers and levels and do 520 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.920 these experiments, and even in the nineteenth century, in the late eighteen hundreds, 521 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.239 the Bedford level experiment, all these other experiments that didn't prove anything. 522 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.800 That guy try to prove that the Earth was moving. He couldn't prove anything. 523 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:28.519 Just because an apple falls on your head doesn't prove gravity. That's it 524 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.960 again. A lot of these stories about how, you know, these discoveries 525 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:37.679 were made a completely normnsensical I'm pretty sure like Galileo discovered the rings of satin 526 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:43.920 with his like telescope that was thirty three time zoom or something really thirty three 527 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.000 there you go, you know, yeah, don't quote me on that, 528 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.960 and I'm like thirty or thirty, but I've thirty three night. I know 529 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.559 you do a lot on the numerology. I haven't looked into it too much 530 00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.599 myself, but yeah, it's it's definitely of their favorite numbers. And there's 531 00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.840 obviously a connection to Christ there, right, because Jesus Jesus died at thirty 532 00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.840 three, so I understand that's right, And David Koresh died at thirty three, 533 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.280 Timid Thing mcveay died at thirty three, so they intentionally, um, 534 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:22.440 they mark God and like the ninety three million miles, they use that ninety 535 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.800 three because you know, April third is supposed to be is the ninety third 536 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.440 day of the year, and supposedly that's the day they say that Jesus died. 537 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.920 So it's all marckery. It's you know, it's yeah, it's what 538 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.159 they do as they markus. Yeah, no, absolutely, I'm sure. 539 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.559 Then they're laughing a lot. And I tell you what, though, they've 540 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.840 got a sense of humor because some of the things that come out in the 541 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.599 in the news and that are just like they're really quite comical. You know, 542 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:55.000 even going to some of the NASA stuff, there's you know, liftoffs 543 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.159 from moons where I'm pretty sure they've used glitter or something, yes to show 544 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:08.000 that. And it's it's funny you mentioned that because they show us on the 545 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.480 filming of the moon landing that the moon is this giant dust ball, right, 546 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.239 but this giant dust ball is putting out this light that we see her 547 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.559 today. Come on, it's crazy. I don't know if you've seen the 548 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:28.760 NASA Dark Side of the Moon clip where they do like they've filmed it for 549 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.960 a period of like three to five hours or something, and they're kind of 550 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:36.199 filming from you know, behind the moon where I guess like the sun would 551 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:37.760 be, and then you know, the Earth's in front of the Moon and 552 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.880 they're seeing the dark side of the Moon pass across the Earth and for five 553 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.320 hours, like those clouds don't move nothing, you know. It's like I 554 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.159 even got my mum with this one. I showed her and I was like, 555 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.159 come on, look at this, like it's not it's not real, 556 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.039 And she's like, oh yeah, so it does does seem quite strange, 557 00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:04.920 doesn't it. But if they lie about one thing, they lie about everything, 558 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.599 Like what's to stop them? You know? And if my mum's a 559 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:13.320 bit skeptical on the moon landing, sorry yeah I was. You're you're a 560 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.920 spot on. You have a friend. After the second or third lie you 561 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.480 catch them in, you're not gonna believe anything they say anymore. As a 562 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.400 matter of fact, You're probably gonna walk away from them and not talk to 563 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.519 him. Anymore, because why would you hang out with somebody who you don't 564 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.480 trust. And that's kind of the relationship I'm having with our government right now. 565 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.920 I'm I don't want to have part of them. No, I agree, 566 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.599 I don't think there's a political solution notice at all. You know, 567 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:43.719 And I understand you. You're a Bible man yourself, and I think you 568 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:50.039 know the answers lie within so rich. I mean, it took me a 569 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.320 while to come to that conclusion as well, but I think, you know, 570 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.800 one of the big things about coming to flat Earth, and one of 571 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.360 the reasons why I do think it's so important is because, well, like 572 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.519 it. First of all, it just it reveals all the lies. You 573 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.280 know, it's it's one of the main ones that's underpinning all the other lies. 574 00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.679 So if you kind of remove that, you're you know, you're removing 575 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.079 like your ginger stick right from the bottom of the pile, and all the 576 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:21.159 rest kind of come tumbling down. But the other thing is, it's it's 577 00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:25.840 pretty much impossible to not point to a creator. And I think that's really 578 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:32.559 powerful. And I do think Satan's using flatter to kind of snare a lot 579 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:42.239 of different groups and beliefs and philosophies, but I still think it's impossible to 580 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.719 not point to a creator. And you know, and perhaps this is something 581 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:52.920 like the ace that God like kept up his sleeve or something to use to 582 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.599 really start bringing people to him, because I was an atheist who turned into 583 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:04.440 a believer kind of overnight, and then Flat Earth really brought me to the 584 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:09.000 Bible and to Christ. And you know, that's been a really incredible and 585 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:16.000 powerful journey for me. Um you know, learning learning that that's the real 586 00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.039 history of the world, and the rest of it's kind of been, you 587 00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.199 know, a bit of a lie. And I also think, and put 588 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:29.599 this to you, being like a biblical man, I think there could be 589 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:35.079 something within the three angels messages around flat Earth to a certain extent, because 590 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:40.559 that first Angel's message is fear God who made heaven and earth, and I 591 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:46.960 think the waters and or maybe the seas and something so. And if you 592 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:53.599 then look at that particular verse and go back to Genesis, you'll see a 593 00:47:53.679 --> 00:48:02.280 direct relationship between what God actually created and the God that we're meant to fear 594 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.639 in the first Angel's message. I don't know if that's something that you've pondered 595 00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.400 at all. No, I haven't. And it's you know, that's that 596 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:15.639 really strikes me. The first Angel proclaims the Everlasting Gospel and calls for the 597 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:22.480 restoration of the true worship of God as creator. M Wow, that's powerful. 598 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:28.119 Yeah. Yeah, so I know, you know a lot of people 599 00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.920 and even a lot of Christians will be like, what does it matter? 600 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:36.760 Well, I think it does matter because you know, it's even in the 601 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.840 in the Ten Commandments. You know that we need to make sure that we're 602 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.719 worship in the right God that's right. You know. I think if we're 603 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:52.320 getting His creation wrong, then you know, maybe we're getting the God wrong 604 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.239 as well. Like I don't know, it's it's just a thought that I've 605 00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.880 had. But no, that's that's a great thought. And you know what 606 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:01.559 that kind of links me to is And I don't mean to jump ship. 607 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.800 I want to keep it on flat Earth. But when the whole COVID thing 608 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.800 was going on in retrospect, I always thought that was their way of telling 609 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.360 us that God didn't make us perfect and we had to rely on man to 610 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:22.480 survive. Hmm yeah, yeah, and just sends the whole of humanity down 611 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.280 this path that we're not good enough exactly lately, and we must depend on 612 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.119 you know, the smart people. You know that the science you know, 613 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:37.559 and that's science has in many people's cases, uh, you know, science 614 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:44.800 has surpassed God. People worship science over God. Absolutely, it's a religion. 615 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.079 There's no doubt about it. And it's an interesting thing because I think, 616 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.360 you know, something else that I kind of woke up to through this 617 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.960 whole process was if you're if you're not sort of subscribed to a belief system, 618 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.760 make no mistake, there's one like that's been prescribed to you. And 619 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:08.440 I think for the majority of people, like even myself who was an atheist, 620 00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:14.239 I was under the religion of Satanism because that's what the world is. 621 00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:19.519 Yeah, that's and so that's that was kind of a big awakening moment. 622 00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.639 It's like, yeah, it's like science, that is a religion. It 623 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.280 is not true science. There is true science, and there is great people 624 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.599 in the medical industry. I've seen. I had a friend who was blown 625 00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:36.239 up, and my gosh, the work that the surgeons do, it's amazing. 626 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.400 But scientism with big pharma and these type of things, that it is 627 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:46.719 evil. And then that's just my opinion. Yeah, I agree, and 628 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:52.840 I had a friend and she was someone that really helped me during the early 629 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.719 stages of my wake up and her pathway to you know, waking up herself 630 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:02.000 was through the corruption in the medical industry. Yeah, I think there's definitely 631 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.679 a place for like, you know, modern medicine. It's amazing situations and 632 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:15.960 yeah, but yeah, like these you know, vaccines and all that other 633 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:22.159 pills and that that we're popping at alarming rates. It's yeah, it's a 634 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.679 slow kill. Like it's just a slow death, you know it is. 635 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:29.719 I mean, you would be sad. There's only you may not see it, 636 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.440 but I think it's only the United States and New Zealand where they're allowed 637 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.840 to advertise big pharma and you know, they promise you this miracle elixir during 638 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:43.559 the first fifteen seconds of the commercial and then the next forty five seconds or 639 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.360 all the side effects stroke, blindness, death, It's like, are you 640 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:52.760 really going to risk uh, You're you're receding hairline for a stroke or possibly 641 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.920 death. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I remember that when at the 642 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.000 times I've been over in America, because you guys are crazy on that stuff. 643 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:04.360 It's absurd, Like the adverts you have on TV, and then you 644 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.360 know, the kind of disclaimers that they run at the end of the adverts 645 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:19.559 is just yeah, pretty pretty frightening. Yeah. Yeah, they won't repeat 646 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.880 customers. That's that's the bottom line. Really. Yeah. Our healthcare industry 647 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:28.920 is sickcare and is sick care is what it is. Yeah, and super 648 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:34.800 expensive. Gus have a really messed up system over there. I had a 649 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.320 couple of other like thoughts, just like biblical thoughts that I thought i'd like 650 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:44.280 share with you please, just to get your thoughts too. Um, Like, 651 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.960 I've always been interested. There's a verse in Thessalonians that talks about God 652 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:52.559 sending a strong delusion, and sometimes it makes me wonder, like how much 653 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:59.639 of this could it possibly be coming from him? Like as part of a 654 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:04.559 test. I do believe we're here being tested, and I do believe we 655 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.679 will be judged for our our actions on earth. I know people have different 656 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:14.679 kind of understandings of that biblically speaking, but you know, I think that 657 00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:21.480 either God is maybe testing us with some of these delusions or at least allowing 658 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.920 them, you know, so we are tested, and I just thought i'd 659 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:29.159 get your thoughts on that one. That's interesting as well, yeah, the 660 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:34.039 second Thessalonians two eleven, and for this cause, God shall send them a 661 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.599 strong delusion that they should believe a lie. And you know when you say 662 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:45.079 that, doesn't the COVID narrative fit right into that? Yeah, and heliocentrism 663 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:52.599 as well, right, yeah, massively. Wow. Yeah, that's another 664 00:53:52.639 --> 00:54:00.159 great observation. Yeah, I think that's really interesting as well. Yeah. 665 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.159 The other thing that I was just thinking about that as well, is like 666 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:13.480 the firmament and the firmament and sort of tied into extra land because the extra 667 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.400 land thing, and I know I've heard you and other of your listeners speak 668 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:22.119 about Admiral Bird and that, and again it's not something I've looked into a 669 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.039 huge amount, but I sit on the fence a little bit about the extra 670 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.920 earth, like extra land outside, and I don't I don't doubt it. 671 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:37.599 It's a possibility. But then I had another thought about it. And if 672 00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:43.360 we think about the Tower of Babel, and I think a lot of people, 673 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.000 myself included, tend to think that that was their attempt to try and 674 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:52.400 get to God. And if we think about some of their um you know, 675 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:58.480 like Operation fish Bowl and like trying to blow up the firmament. To 676 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:04.920 me, it feels like they see themselves as trapped here, and that also 677 00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:12.000 could tie in with their like disliking for God, because they might actually believe 678 00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.119 that they are prisoners here under the firmament and they can't get out, and 679 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:22.320 so they're misbehaving and they're mocking God. And like, it seems if they 680 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.159 had extra land and they could get out, could they just not get out 681 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:30.960 or do we think maybe there's another firmament that blocks the extra land outside of 682 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:37.159 this land or it's just an interesting thought, because yeah, I really like 683 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.360 if they had easy access in and out and moving all about the place, 684 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:45.000 then some of the behavior doesn't quite fit with that. I don't know, 685 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.920 just throwing it out there. Yeah, No, that's a good point, 686 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:51.760 and that's something I wrestle with quite often. One of the things I think 687 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:58.559 about is, obviously, if you're if there's land outside of Antarctica, it 688 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:04.960 would would it not require another son because I mean, do you understand what 689 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.079 I'm getting at? Yeah, yeah, definitely, And then how would we 690 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:13.559 not see that? Yeah, So there is a lot of questions. It's 691 00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.639 intriguing because once again they lied to us about everything. We're not allowed to 692 00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:21.440 go. I mean, you could spend ten grand or whatever and catch a 693 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.239 ride to Deception Island or Rothschild Island and have your little ceremonious picture with the 694 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:29.599 with the penguins. But outside of that, we're not free to roam down 695 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.280 there. So you know, a lot of it is just conjecture and you 696 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.199 know, a lot of philosophy, a lot of thinking, right, yeah, 697 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:43.360 no, absolutely, yeah, just a general question as well, Like 698 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.320 this goes on in my mind a lot. I know that, you know, 699 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.840 historically, like I think we're living through it, something big, something 700 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.199 probably unprecedented, although you know, history tells us that there has been some 701 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.440 pretty wild times in the past as well, But I feel like flat Earth 702 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.159 is something a bit different this time around. And I just wonder, with 703 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:12.079 so many people waking up to it and more and more people are waking up 704 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:16.000 to it, I believe, like, what is what's the end result here? 705 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:25.280 Because how can how can we exist with two completely different ideas of cosmology 706 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:32.840 on this planet for very long without something pretty big taking place? And so 707 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.480 I guess from a you know, like the Bible's perspective, we kind of 708 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:43.719 know what's coming, but we don't know when. But I feel that flat 709 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:50.079 earth is in particular, is one topic that makes it feel like if we're 710 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.159 in the end times, we're really in the very tip of them. And 711 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:57.280 I guess I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. Yeah, exactly, 712 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.400 I'm on board with you, and it takes me back when you were 713 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.599 saying that. I kind of went back. I think. In February I 714 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.880 interviewed Bart Sabrell. He was the guy who did the When Astronauts Go Wild. 715 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:15.320 He would you know, he did a documentary on the Astronauts and something 716 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:20.199 he said he said, you know, well he's not so much a flat 717 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:22.239 Earth. But what he was saying was, if we could prove that the 718 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:28.880 moon missions the Apollo eleven was a fraud, it would set off a chain 719 00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:32.400 of events that would lead to, you know, this evil being seen by 720 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:37.119 so many more people. And I think that goes hand in hand with the 721 00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:42.440 Moon landing. If if we could get it to you know, if this 722 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.079 veil would fall, if people would accept flat Earth. I mean number one 723 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:50.960 that according to the history books, grant you know, man's greatest accomplishment, 724 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:55.800 hands down, is going to the Moon landing and coming back. Yesterday, 725 00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.239 I think it was yesterday a Japanese the Japanese rocket crashed on the Moon. 726 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:07.280 The story goes, and you know, we saw Friday the SpaceX launch. 727 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.400 It got up thirty nine kilometers and they destroyed it. A three billion dollars 728 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.000 rocket. They just destroyed. Never in the history of the world have we 729 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.280 ever had something to go this backwards, where again, fifty four years ago 730 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.239 we are able to land on the Moon and come back, and now we 731 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.719 can't even get a rocket in the air, and people still buy this stuff. 732 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.400 I think people need to start putting two and two together. And you 733 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.360 know, again, I think COVID is a part, a huge part of 734 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.280 the reason why so many people are awake today and why we have why flat 735 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:42.840 Earth has such a movement right now, because well, if they're lying about 736 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.320 this, I have to be open to everything. So and I also think 737 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.639 I should say this too. I think to everybody who's listening to me right 738 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.239 now, and we all have good days, we all have bad days. 739 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.639 But God put us here during this time because he knew that we could handle 740 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:05.239 it. So hang in there, be strong, and you know, continue 741 01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:09.559 the good fight. For lack of a better word, right, absolutely, 742 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:15.559 I really believe that, and you know, no matter what sort of believe 743 01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.360 or philosophy someone's holding on too. I think that that would be true across 744 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:27.800 you know board, for everyone, is that we're here at this moment in 745 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:34.360 time by no accident whatsoever. Yeah, and that's that's really empowering. I 746 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.239 think, you know, I don't want to be alike self healthy, spiritual 747 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.800 empowerment, but it is actually quite empowering to think that, wow, we're 748 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.760 here and we can see this. So, you know, even if it 749 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:50.239 may just be a small part that we have to play, we have a 750 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:57.239 special role in history at this moment. And yeah, that it gives me, 751 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.800 you know, kind of the inspiration to just keep moving because some days 752 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:07.599 it's really hard. You know, I gave up, you know, when 753 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:13.440 I kind of woke up. I gave up this pretty awesome job that was 754 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:19.880 flying me all around the world and ordered me a pretty nice life. I 755 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.360 now work as like a gardener, and I work as a teacher's aid part 756 01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.599 time as well, which is well, that's interesting. Being in the public 757 01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:36.360 school system that is a moral conflict on a daily basis. It's tough, 758 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:42.320 you know, it's wanting to be there because the kids, most of them 759 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:46.119 don't and they sort of have to be. And you know, you just 760 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:51.280 want to try and bring just a little bit of kind of some sort of 761 01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.719 normality and just maybe a rational mind. Not that I'm claiming to be the 762 01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.480 most rational person, but you know, just being able to help them see 763 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.840 things from a different perspective and just to encourage them to think, think for 764 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.599 themselves and think outside the box. And you know, but at the same 765 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:14.800 time being conflicted by all the kind of woke you nonsense that's being pushed into 766 01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:21.000 the school systems. And yeah, it's really it's just really confronting actually just 767 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:27.360 to see what, you know, humanity where we're at now, it's all 768 01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.920 coming out in our children. You know, the years of sin passed down 769 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:37.920 through the generations and now we're just seeing it manifest itself in these poor innocent 770 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:42.599 children that just don't know any better. And you know, I've got like 771 01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:47.039 five and six year olds that are you know, they're different genders, they're 772 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:52.000 proclaiming different genders to what they were born, and you know, the behavioral 773 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.760 challenges. Like as a teacher's aid, I think historically it was there to 774 01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:01.880 be like support to you know, academic learning, but it's all behavioral now 775 01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.239 and the school that I'm in is not even a really challenging one. There's 776 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.639 some schools that I understand. I don't know if it's the same over there, 777 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:16.000 but the education support, the teacher's aid. They'll sometimes have like five 778 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:21.760 or six in a classroom, you know, supporting the yeah, the children 779 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:29.360 that have those additional needs. So it's been pretty eye opening. But yeah, 780 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.559 I gave up my entire kind of world to when I when I woke 781 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:38.599 up and realize what was going on. So that's been really, really difficult, 782 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.119 and I'm sure there's a lot of people that are going through that same 783 01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.079 same walk. You kind of question everything, you know, when you can 784 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:53.719 see that the world's kind of really corrupted, it's really difficult to to pull 785 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:58.559 yourself out of that and to not be part of it, not be contributing 786 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.400 too much to it. And I know when I when I came back to 787 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:05.440 Australia, when I left London, like it was during all the mandates starting 788 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:10.519 to come in, and I was pretty terrified because I knew I didn't want 789 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:15.360 that needle. So I was quite you know, like quite frantic trying to 790 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:19.119 get back to Australia where all my family is after being abroad for seventeen years, 791 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:29.199 and yeah, just yeah, I found it like pretty tough and it 792 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:33.639 was just just a scary, scary time and starting life all over again. 793 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:38.079 I kept saying, I just want to live in a shack in the woods 794 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.719 that bit. You know, my mom thought I'd lost my mind completely. 795 01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.320 And then I actually met my husband and I was during all this chaos, 796 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:53.000 and he actually was living in like a bush hut, and so we kind 797 01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.000 of, yeah, we're like two peas in a pod in that respect. 798 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.000 But it's been awesome because you know, I've gone from like that you know, 799 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:05.840 sort of shallow corporate world to you know, growing a vegget garden and 800 01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:13.599 we live completely off grid, completely off grid, and and I think this 801 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.079 is one of the beautiful things that's come out of this is there's so many 802 01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:21.400 people that are moving towards, you know, are more like sustainable and self 803 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.440 sufficient because our self sufficiency has been taken away. I mean, we've handed 804 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.320 over our power, there's no doubt about it, but our self sufficiency has 805 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:34.880 kind of been read out of us through generations of convenience and ease and you 806 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:40.239 know, computers and all sorts and we don't. You know, we're now 807 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:44.039 learning again how to take care of ourselves and to feed ourselves and to keep 808 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.960 ourselves healthy. And you know, perhaps things like this needed to happen to 809 01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:53.360 to really wake us up to just how how corrupt the world actually is. 810 01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.760 And so, you know, it's hard to say where this is all headed, 811 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:01.480 but certainly there's been some beautiful positives and that to come out of this 812 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:08.639 whole kind of tragedy. And you know, the COVID, like the COVID 813 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:14.840 agenda, so well, there's so much to take you know, that reminds 814 01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:19.719 me of the there's that whole phrase, you know, hard times make good 815 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:26.280 men, and you know the rotation. You know, if we don't experience 816 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:30.639 difficulty. You know, they say everybody in prison is religious. It takes 817 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:35.760 hard times to sometimes for us to be able to see God. And I 818 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:40.400 can't remember the whole thing, but it talks about hard times make good men, 819 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.239 and then you know, people we relax and it brings difficult times. 820 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:47.960 There's somebody I follow, but I don't really pay attention to that much, 821 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:54.159 but he posted something today that came across my social media that really made me 822 01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:57.800 think, and it directly connects to what you just said. Tempole said, 823 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:02.719 I think we should ask ourselves why so many young people desperately want to be 824 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:08.519 someone else instead of themselves, And that goes directly to what you said. 825 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:13.920 For generations, we've never put our foot down and said no, this is 826 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:18.440 a moral this is wrong, and we've continued to turn turn away and ignore 827 01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:23.440 it. And look what it's festered into now. He even here in our 828 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.559 I'm in just a little old Delaware and our hospital is now accepting gender patients 829 01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:32.000 for fourteen year olds. It's just evil and it's and this is just something 830 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:38.280 that because we have allowed and just turned away and let it happen. Whether 831 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.679 it's because we're too comfortable or we don't want to be that guy right out 832 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.320 there with a megaphone, which is very uncomfortable. I did it one time 833 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:51.360 during COVID and it was the most uncomfortable. I felt more comfortable walking down 834 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:56.840 the streets of Baghdad than standing in Dover with a megaphone saying that everybody is 835 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:01.159 essential. That's when my wife got fired for taking a job. It's very 836 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.559 intriguing it. But I've also said that, you know, if we want 837 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.159 to make a difference in this world. We have to start doing things that 838 01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.639 might be a little bit outside our comfort zone, and little things like that, 839 01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:15.079 if you wake one person up, that person might wake one person up, 840 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.760 and that's how we win this thing. Yeah, I agree, and 841 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:23.880 I think just spreading the word and getting it out there is just hugely important, 842 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.560 even if it is just quietly, one person at a time, as 843 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.199 you say, yeah, we don't know, we don't all have to be 844 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.279 on megaphones, but that's awesome that you did that, Like it is uncomfortable, 845 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:39.079 very really really uncomfortable. Yeah, and spreading the word of God too, 846 01:08:39.119 --> 01:08:42.920 I should say that too. Make make sure and spreading the word of 847 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.239 God when you're spreading that makes I always thought, you know, make sure 848 01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:50.520 we spread the word of God as well well. Absolutely, And again you 849 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:54.560 know that points back to for me, the importance of flat earth, Like 850 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.479 it's there, It's in the Bible. And although you know a lot of 851 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.840 people and sadly it's just it's Christians that are trying to deny that the Bible 852 01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:09.239 says this, and you know, it's it just boggles my mind to think 853 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:14.399 that that's where the challenges in trying to get this message out there because I 854 01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:19.880 once run online and I took like hundreds of screenshots of people's testimonies, just 855 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:25.720 random people that I came across on like flat Earth groups and YouTube flat earth 856 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:30.880 videos and their testimonies of how this either turned them atheists to believe or overnight 857 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:35.479 or just brought them closer to God. And the churches, the mainstream churches 858 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:40.640 are just ignoring it or they're ridiculing it. And it blows me away that 859 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:45.279 the people that are meant to be, you know, for Christ and bringing 860 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.600 people to the Bible and to God are the ones that are rejecting it the 861 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:55.159 most and making all these excuses like, oh, the firmaments just air or 862 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:59.399 it's just an expanse, And I was like, that's not possible, like 863 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:03.960 because further along in the Bible you'll find that the firmament is described as like, 864 01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:09.800 you know, strong, like molten looking glass air or an expose. 865 01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.359 It's not it's not hard, it's not strong, it's you know, and 866 01:10:14.359 --> 01:10:19.159 and how can you know, Like what's the verse that's on Vernon von Braun's 867 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:25.680 Yes, Psalm's nineteen one, right, and work with the firmament, that's 868 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:30.960 it like handywork doesn't doesn't describe air or an expanse like handywork is something tangible, 869 01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:36.439 like it shows someone's power and skill. And yeah, so all these 870 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.079 things that you know they're trying and backpedal on and make excuses about, or 871 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:46.199 one of my my least favorite ones that that they'll try and use as um, 872 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:51.079 well God God wrote that, or you know, God's said that, 873 01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:56.239 describe the earth that way, um for the people that were living there in 874 01:10:56.279 --> 01:11:00.239 that time, because you know, they didn't understand like the full complexity is 875 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.359 of out of space and all this. And and my thing with that is 876 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:10.399 that's a really slippery slope because what else did God lie? They're accusing him 877 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:14.640 of lying, right, that's a lie that he's told them if they're you 878 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:18.560 know, and so what other lies did God tell in his word just to 879 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.439 cater to the simpletons of that time? You know, it's a really dangerous 880 01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.720 ground I think for people to be treading on when they're saying that. So 881 01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:34.479 you can't pick and choose what is you know, outside of proverbs, I 882 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.600 guess, because proverbs are meant to be you know, hear some proverbs, 883 01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.760 but you can't pick and choose, you know, Well, this is just 884 01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.079 an exaggeration. This is the way God told a story. I mean, 885 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.760 it's it's either God's word or it's not. And if you look at Genesis 886 01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.840 seven, verse eleven, I'm gonna read it real quick. It says in 887 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:55.399 the six hundred year of Noah's life, in the second month, seventeenth day, 888 01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:00.199 the same day, where all the fountains of the great deep broken up 889 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.960 and the windows of heaven were opened. And we know the from it. 890 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:08.920 It's God. In the beginning of Genesis, God separated the waters. Oh 891 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:13.880 it's beautiful, it really is. Don't you enjoy it? Like I love 892 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:17.079 looking at the world now through the eyes of a flat earth, you know, 893 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:23.079 absolutely, and looking at it's just it's so powerful. And I think 894 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:29.359 I've struggled a couple of times when I've tried to share because my excitement overtakes 895 01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:32.479 me and I become so overzealous trying to get shared that I just have to 896 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.319 back down a little bit. But I just want everyone to know. I 897 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:42.760 want everyone to see it because it's actually way way cooler than all this out 898 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:47.960 of space nonsense. It's incredible, a beautiful, little protected container, you 899 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:54.880 know, everything just giving life to itself. It's just so incredible. It 900 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.159 really it blows my mind, and I yeah, I just I hope more 901 01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:02.640 and more people can start to see it for what it really is. Indeed, 902 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:10.880 well, this is been just a powerful, powerful interview. You have 903 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:14.840 done a great job. You should be a podcast to yourself. You were 904 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:20.079 really lay your thoughts out extremely well. And man, I hope we can 905 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.840 do this again in the future. Is let me ask you one more thing. 906 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:27.560 Have you had speaking of that? Have you had any luck trying to 907 01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:31.960 relay messages to others? Have you noticed any certain breadcrumbs you can live with 908 01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:38.680 people to pique their interest or any luck with that? Not a huge amount, 909 01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:44.479 but I haven't been super vocal about it. What I did manage to 910 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.439 help sort of coordinate the other day, and this might be an avenue for 911 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:59.439 people as well. I really love the historical aspect of like picking heliocentrism from 912 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.800 you know, the five hundred years ago kind of deceptions that played out and 913 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:11.359 it was like a counter reformation movement basically. And there's an awesome documentary called 914 01:14:11.479 --> 01:14:15.079 Helio Sorcery, and I think I sent the link to you. I came 915 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.680 across that and then got in contact with the makers of that, and they're 916 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:25.520 a small ministry here in Australia that just made this really brilliant documentary on the 917 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:30.680 history of it. They came through town. I organized my baptism with them 918 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:36.199 actually, and they came through town last week and we organized a small like 919 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:41.680 meeting with some local sort of semi awake people and at the end of that 920 01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.600 meeting we did have someone else say yes, like, Okay, I can 921 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.000 see it now. And I think that historical aspect, like looking at the 922 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:54.239 history of it rather than just going, you know, the earth flat we've 923 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:58.640 all been lied to, actually talking through the history of it could be a 924 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:03.800 gentler avenue for some people. So, you know, I think if people 925 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:09.000 haven't seen the documentary Helio Sorcery, it's a it's a really good one to 926 01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:15.399 share for people that might be open, but yeah, not not quite there 927 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.640 yet because you can't you know, the history of it. It just shows 928 01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:24.000 how it's been a full attack on the on the Bible. So maybe a 929 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:29.199 good one for Christians that aren't fully rejecting it just yet as well. You 930 01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:31.119 know, yeah you did. And by the way, I'll make sure I 931 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:36.800 put that link in the show description. The Helio sorcery link. You did 932 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:40.880 send that to me, I'll drop that in the show description, so folks, 933 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.079 if you want to check it out, and it's yeah, you know, 934 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.920 you just connected another dart because I actually on my other podcast last year, 935 01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:53.560 I did the Thirty Year War and Martin Luther and Reformation about you know, 936 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:57.880 at that time Catholics were buying penance into heaven and he did the the 937 01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:02.039 you know, the ninety three uh, you know, the whole thing that 938 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:09.760 kicked off Reformation right that was in you know, the early fifteen hundreds, 939 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.319 and you know, I'm just sitting here pulling it up. In fifteen thirty 940 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:18.840 three, Johann Windmanster delivered in Rome a series of lectures outlining Copernicus's theory. 941 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:24.319 You know, that is actually, like you said, an anti Reformation message, 942 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:31.159 and I don't think the timing is off. And Martin Luther's even quoted 943 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:35.439 a few years later saying that there is talk of a new astrologer who wants 944 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:41.359 to prove the Earth moves and goes around instead of vice versa. So you 945 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:47.439 can either trust Martin Luther or you can trust the Jesuits exactly. Yeah, 946 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:53.199 it's it's I love the historical element of it, that's great helped to seal 947 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:58.279 the deal, and he closes with saying, however, as Holy Scripture tells 948 01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:05.279 us, so did Joshua a um that the the earth stands stills and not 949 01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:12.359 you know that the earth stands, stills and rotates. Yeah, yeah, 950 01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.199 you can't deny that. And also I think that God made two great lights. 951 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:21.279 Like you can't. You can't mix up those words. That's that's very 952 01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:27.079 plain language. Two great lights, yeah and um. Later on, Jesus 953 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:31.239 even talks about the sun and moon in terms of having genders, so it 954 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:39.000 could calls the sun him and says the moon shall not give her light or 955 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:45.159 something. So's it's very distinct that they're two completely different objects emitting different lights. 956 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.039 So, and it should be noted that the evil people at Wikipedia were 957 01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.359 quick to point out as soon as at the end of that quote U. 958 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:58.760 S. Ninety two this was reported in the context of a conversation at the 959 01:17:58.840 --> 01:18:03.520 dinner table, and not a formal statement of faith. Melancon, however, 960 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:06.720 opposed the doctrine over a period of years. So again, as soon as 961 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:09.399 you read that, they're like, by the way, it was just a 962 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:15.439 dinner conversation you probably had too much wine. Don't buy into it. Yeah, 963 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.239 that's funny. One other thing I will say, which is maybe a 964 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:24.760 good tip for people I go. I do join a lot of these Facebook 965 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:28.520 groups of flat Earth and whatnot. I can only spend limited amount of time 966 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:32.359 in them because my skin is only so thick. But what's a good thing 967 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.159 to do is to go and have a look at the other members and have 968 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:41.920 a look at who you have mutual friends with. Because I found out through 969 01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:49.119 that that slightly lucination, but my sister in law's twin sister was part of 970 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:51.680 that group, and I found out, oh my goodness, I actually do 971 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.720 have some remote family members that are also flat earthers. And I would never 972 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.439 have known that if I hadn't gone in and looked for all those mutual friends 973 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.560 through other members of flat earth groups. And I have other you know, 974 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:09.199 like loose contacts in that. So it's it kind of helped me to show, 975 01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:11.960 Wow, there is a lot of us. There's a lot more of 976 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:16.039 us than than you know, than we probably suspect. So don't ever feel 977 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:23.479 alone like we're out there in mass I think absolutely, And again to all 978 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:27.159 the listeners, feel free to drop into the chat room, and if you 979 01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.880 have questions, you can email them to me, but you can also leave 980 01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:32.560 those in the forum, and there's a lot more people who get eyes on 981 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.600 and you'll get different answers, and you know, you can choose what resonates 982 01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:39.840 best with you, So don't be afraid to use these tools. There's a 983 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.479 lot of them. I know Celebrate Truth on YouTube that it seems like they 984 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:45.079 go twenty four to seven all the time, and there's lots of like minded 985 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.439 people. I can't speak to the type of people that are in there, 986 01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:51.319 but I know there are certain avenues where you can find like minded people because 987 01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:55.359 you know, going back to the beginning of our conversation, it can be 988 01:19:55.399 --> 01:20:00.600 a bit lonely and disconcerting when you wake up. The people kind shy away 989 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.920 from you because they would rather you know, they enjoy their bread and circus 990 01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:09.439 and would rather not be bothered. And that's that's one of the monumental tasks 991 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.760 that we have. And again, we can only lead a horse to the 992 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:16.760 water. We can't force them to wake up. It's on God's time, 993 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:21.079 yep, it really is. Yeah, And I'll leave my email with you 994 01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:24.760 as well if anyone wants to reach out to me. I'm always happy to 995 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:28.960 have new friends. So, yeah, do you want me to use the 996 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.520 one that you emailed me with? Yep, that's perfect, and that's the 997 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:38.079 Nola Jayne at ProtonMail dot com. That's the one. Yeah, okay, 998 01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:40.920 folks, and it'll be in the show description. Don't feel like you got 999 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:43.439 to write it down, So you can just go to the show description, 1000 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.640 copy and paste and you can send an email to Lauren, who has just 1001 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:50.239 been tremendous. Thank you so much for your time. I know you're you're 1002 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:57.359 busy, and but you've brought so much information that is going to certainly resonate 1003 01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:00.880 with so many people. Just was there anything else that you wanted to mention 1004 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:04.520 that we haven't covered yet. No, not really, just to say that, 1005 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:08.720 yeah, don't don't feel alone. There's plenty of us out there. 1006 01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:12.920 We're all fighting a good fight in our own own special way, and we 1007 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:16.359 are all special, right, don't take it for granted that you know, 1008 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:20.079 you've got these eyes to see the world for what it really is. And 1009 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:26.720 yeah, just keep keep on going on. Every day is a new day. 1010 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.880 And that's the difference between heliocentrism and the flat earth. They want you 1011 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:34.079 to believe that there was an explosion and you know, fish crawed up on 1012 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:38.880 the beach and continue to involve and you just happen to be here during this 1013 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.199 time. Nothing could be further from the truth. God, once you hear 1014 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.560 it this time to help spread the word. Lauren, thank you so much. 1015 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.560 It's been an absolute pleasure to have you on. Thank you, George, 1016 01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:51.039 God bless God. Bless you too, and stand by for just one 1017 01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:55.920 more second. Ladies and gentlemen for Lauren and myself, thank you so much 1018 01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:59.560 for taking the time to listen. Feel free to jump in the chat room 1019 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:01.239 in the forum at the flat earth files dot com and if you'd like to 1020 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:04.840 join the program like Lauren did, it is again the flat earth Files at 1021 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:09.359 gmail dot com. Everybody, have a great week and until next time, 1022 01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:12.239 keep your head on a swivel and we will see you