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Hudson River Radio dot com. This
is Travis Walton and you are listening to

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UFO Headquarters, Fuiful Headquarters, and
good evening, good afternoon, good morning

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wherever you are listening to UFO Headquarters. I am Michael Warden, and of

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course Linda Zimmerman. I heard her
laughing at my intro. I never know

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what you're going to come up with, and you're right, and it's it's

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pertains to tonight because we're going to
be telling some witness reports from the other

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side of the globe. So that
is true. That is true. So

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it's daytime there. I'm guessing,
right, I must think, I would

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think, because it isn't here,
so I bet it's warmer, isn't everywhere?

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Yes, but yes, So we
will be doing the main topic will

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be what some consider the number one
UFO hot spot in the country. So

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a little teaser there, and but
first I want to put out a wanted

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notice. We've we've talked about the
all the many sightings over the Indian Point

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Nuclear Reactor in the Hudson Valley over
the years, and I have interviewed a

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witness, but to you know,
witnesses have been interviewed who worked there,

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and of course many many have gone
on the record who were in the surrounding

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areas seeing the craft there. But
if you worked there during the night of

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July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty four, or any of the subsequent sightings where

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a nine hundred foot long craft hovered
directly over the reactor and security systems apparently

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went down, you know, times
have changed since the eighties. I think

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people can safely feel safe to go
on record. Yes. Now, So

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if if you are one of those
people, or you know one of those

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people, send them our way,
because you know, we're losing a lot

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of witnesses every day from that era. And if you think you you know,

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if you've been waiting decades to speak
out, now's the time. Yeah.

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Absolutely, I would love to hear
witnesses come forward that actually worked there

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and what they saw and what they
experienced, I mean a nine ft craft.

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Yeah, there has to be a
lot of witnesses and you know,

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hopefully now, like you said,
that they can come forward. It's been

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times a past and it's a different
era now that we're in. When it

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comes to ufology, you know UFO
investigations. Yeah, the government is you

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know, holding open hearings and been
spending millions on this and so so yeah,

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so hopefully hopefully someone comes through.
But as we had mentioned, where

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we're going to talk a little bit
about something on the other side of the

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globe. We have listeners in New
Zealand. Did you ever think I'd say

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that bike? No, that is
awesome. I mean New Zealand of all

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places. I mean, I know
that's my trip list right, Oh,

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I hear it's beautiful. But um
so this this man wanted to remain anonymous,

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which is fine, but he just
had the you know, I get

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such incredible letters and emails and I
always can't keep up with all of them.

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I'm sorry, but this I wanted
to mention a few because some of

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it is very pertinent to things we've
mentioned over the years. And he said

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that since twenty eleven he's had several
sightings and at one point in a six

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month period, he had four sightings
of a massive boomerang that he said filled

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most of the sky. I mean, where have we heard that? Hudson

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Valley. It's just amazing to think
they're seeing the same thing across the globe.

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And he said the skin of the
craft seemed to be kind of a

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light blue green. But remember we
were talking about the people who said it

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looked like they were looking at an
aquarium or a glass bottom boat. They

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didn't quite know how to describe it. I loved that his description transparent,

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as if the invisibility setting was on
one or two. So I mean,

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right that we've joked about that,
like, oh they got the cloaking.

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They didn't. They didn't turn it
all the way up. Um very but

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you know, the way that that
description is given, it really gives you

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the image in your head of what
they saw. I mean, it was

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a right, an excellent way of
describing it. I can see it.

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I loved it. That's why.
Yeah, yeah, that's why I'm reading

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it. I thought, thank you
whoever wrote this. You know, we

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know they want to be anonymous,
but just a shout out to him,

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like, you know, a great
descriptor. Yeah yeah, So he and

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it gets stranger. Third time he
waves at it and it dipped. It's

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as massive as it was. It
dipped its wings from side to side,

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you know, like human pilots do. So what does that tell us?

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Was there a human pilot giving a
little hello? I don't know. They

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were friendly whoever it was, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah,

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a red laser beam didn't come out
and get him, so yeah, but

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it clearly was a cause and effect. So um and I love this.

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So he's like, okay, I've
seen it three times. I'm getting a

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video camera. I'm getting this thing
on camera. So as we've all done,

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how many times, he's sitting there, he's determined, he's waiting,

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and he's waiting. He finally saw
that's it. I give up. As

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soon as he turns the camera off, there there goes the craft again.

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They know they do. It's like
that. I mean, how many times

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have things happened to us before we
even get the cameras out of the bag

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or we're just putting them back right
right right, very frustrated. Right.

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So I thought that was great,
and he had a couple of others I

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think that are worth mentioning. UM. One craft he said, it's this

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wasn't flapping its wings, but it
looked like a pterodactyl, And I think

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that's a great shape. I've had
people who say things look dragon shaped or

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like giant birds. And of course
there's in this country the legend of the

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thunderbirds. You know that people so
again, and he said it was kind

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of glowing red. And he wasn't
the only witness. There was another witness

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with him. And then this was
very creepy. This goes back to when

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he was nine years old. He
said he was in bed asleep and the

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next thing he knows, he's running
down the hall terrified. And this is

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a great quote. The wall was
moving in almost liquid patterns, shimmering,

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and he was saying, maybe that's
where I just was put back. And

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we've heard that a lot where people
are seemed to be moved through walls and

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ceilings or something comes through a wall
or ceiling. So yeah, it's it's

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quite bizarre. And you know,
he thought, well, maybe, you

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know, I'm nine years old,
maybe I had a strange nightmare. But

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fast forward to twenty fourteen and he
said he was taking a two week course

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on healing, you know, like
a spiritual healing type thing, and he

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didn't tell anybody about any of this, and the teacher instructor said that he

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had come into contact with something this
will put a chill down your spine.

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And they tricked him into a deal
where they said they would show him the

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wonders of the Cosmos in exchange for
giving up some part of his being or

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inner something. Wow, that's pretty
Yeah, that gave me a little bit

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of a chill without my spine,
like you said. Yeah, because you

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know, we've heard, we've heard
abductees and things say that they wanted something

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from them. Um. You know, I've I've always contended that they're so

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curious and in us because of our
consciousness. You know that we can attain

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levels of consciousness. Perhaps they can't. Um, But of course now everybody's

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on the consciousness kick, and that's
like people are just as gold. Look,

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there's a thing called consciousness. Yeah, where have you been the last

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few thousand years? But yeah,
so I don't know. Um, but

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thank you to that particular listener in
New Zealand for those And I wish I

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had the time to read everybody's letters, but I really do appreciate. I

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mean, I do read them,
but you know, we don't have all

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the time to go put them on
the show, but please please keep sending

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them. Hey, hey, Linda, what about you know maybe one of

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our future podcasts we go through some
of our listeners just read their letters and

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email some of them, like really
kind of as a thank you to all

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those people that are taking the time
to write in I love it. That's

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a that is an excellent idea.
Yes, we will do a listeners show.

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We could probably do several, but
yeah, I'll start pulling together some

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of the some of the better ones. Um. Absolutely, so why don't

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we take our first break? Then
we will get into possibly the number one

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hot spot and we're back and we
are just leaving New Zealand I believe now,

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Yes, I forgot to mention before
the breakthough, Linda his you know

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the you know, the person who
sent this in describing the experience having the

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experience also as a nine year old. How many times do we hear that

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these aren't just a one time coincidental
encounter. These tend to be lifelong experience.

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Is that even if it's not something
they're consciously remembering, they do start

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to come back like, well,
you know, when I was nine,

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this happened and put it all of
a sudden. Now you look at like,

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well, this is kind of a
you know, a connection here.

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Something's so He's definitely I find it
fascinating. Yeah, And I can't tell

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you how many times I'm interviewing somebody
about you know, fighting they had and

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as an adult, and I'd say, well, anything happened as a child,

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Well, now that you mention it, and a lot of people say,

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you know, I never connected that. So yeah, you're right.

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These things, when you sit and
reflect on them, are very often lifetime.

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So you ready for this jump into
hour. I'm as ready as I'm

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gonna get. All right. I
don't know if that's good or bad,

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but we are going back to January
twelfth, nineteen seventy five. Two of

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all places not something people consider UFO
hotspots, New Jersey, North Bergen,

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New Jersey. Are you familiar with
that area? You know vaguely. I've

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been down through that area. I
try to avoid it with the traffic.

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Yes, But if you were to
be going down the West Side Highway and

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you get below one hundredth streaked,
you know, in the nineties there and

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you were to look sharp right right
across the river, there is is north

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Bergen. So okay, so seventy
two year old George o'barski he owns at

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this point a liquor store in the
Chelsea area, which again we know where

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that is. But for all of
our listeners around the world, Chelsea is

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kind of the west side of Manhattan. You know where Pence if you familiar

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with Penn Station, if you say, what the heck is Penn Station about

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thirty fourth to fourteenth Street on the
west side is I guess like most cities,

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there's little distance, you know,
there's little literally, there's the village,

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there's all these little communities. So
Madison Square Garden for all of our

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out of the country list, there's
Madison Square Garden, Penn Station right there.

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Yes, yes, yeah, kind
of a map, yes, absolutely.

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So he had a liquor store there
and he would go home to New

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Jersey, which would have been very
well depending on the traffic, but he

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wouldn't get out till the wee hours
of the morning. And all you have

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to do is go through the Lincoln
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In fifteen minutes, you're in the
North Bergen area. So again, if

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if this is rush hour on a
Friday night, could take you an hour

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and a half two am on a
Tuesday, you're probably home in twenty minutes.

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So he's driving home, it's about
three o'clock in the morning, and

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he's approaching North Hudson Park, which
today is called Braddock Park. If you

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want to google this, and you
know, watch along get an idea of

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where we are. And even though
it's cold, he had his window open

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a few inches and all of a
sudden the car radio goes to static.

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Now he's not thinking alien invaders.
He's thinking, oh crap, how much

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is this going to cost, you
know, to fix my radio? And

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then he starts hearing what he said, sounded like a droning sound like a

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refrigerator, and they're very close to
him. Is a large lighted object circular

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objects that starts flying parallel to his
car and then stops and hovers over the

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park, roughly near the softball field. It stops, it doesn't land,

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he said. He clearly said about
ten feet above the ground, so store

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that little number. He slows way
down, he sees the craft is about

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thirty feet in diam six to eight
feet high. It has a domed top,

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a flat bottom, and rows of
tall upright rectangular windows. Very specific

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because he's because he's so close one
and a half feet wide, and they

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go around the edge of the craft. There's if you want to look up

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this incident, there's a very good
sketch of the craft. The body of

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the craft is a dark color,
but there's this very bright light coming out

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of the windows, illuminating the ground. So he says his number one reaction,

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he's scared. Yeah, this reaction
from the guy, Yeah, he's

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scared. He's sweating, he admits
it. And he said, and this,

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yeah, this is priceless quote.
I've been held up in the store

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lots of times and thirty years by
men with pistols, knives. I've been

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plenty scared, but nothing like this
ever. I was petrified. I was

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petrified. You know, this is
a grown man who's gone through I bet

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you help. You're held up at
gunpoint, you yeah, to take these

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terrible experiences, you know, being
robbed at gunpoint or knife point, in

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the terror he would have experienced in
that, and then this being even worse.

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I mean, my gosh, just
that the way he says I was

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petrified, I was petrified. That's
a real, like gut punch of fear.

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Yeah. Yeah, Because he was
at most sixty feet away from this,

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so he had a very clear view. Now and once again we're going

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to up the strangeness factor because not
only is this craft hovering, he said,

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stairs or some sort of ladder thing
descends, and I'm just going to

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tell you what he says. Nine
to eleven children's sized figures in either what

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looked like light colored snowsuits or coveralls
come out about three and a half feet

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tall. He can't see their face
because they have a helmet on. So

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this is his direct quote. They
came down this ladder thing like kids coming

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down a fire escape, fast,
no wasted motion. Each being had a

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long spoonlike utensil, and a square
bag. I mean he's even saying that,

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you know, not just a sack
or he sees it's a square bag.

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They hurriedly dug up some dirt,
put it in their bags, quickly,

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all got back inside the craft and
took off. And the whole sighting

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was about four minutes, which is
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you're you're looking at that. Um
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this before, some sort of unusual
picking we you know, picking vegetation,

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picking up something, you know,
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want to read his when he gets
home, his his reaction there. I

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loved this. Okay, that's on
the top of page two here, right,

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Yeah, yeah, my pictures came
in all jumbled in different orders.

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Oh okay, when I sent them, when I sent them to my computer,

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I got it here. Oh okay, all right, yeah, this

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is really really great. I immediately
made some tea. Then after that,

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I turned on the radio, and
then I thought, I'm not even going

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to stay up. I went to
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pulled the covers over my head.
I got up and took two aspirin.

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You know, I was scared.
I figured the whole damn world had come

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to an end. I didn't know
what the hell to think. I thought,

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either I'm going crazy or there's something
awfully wrong down there. Yeah,

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right, honest, just exactly a
very raw and just natural reaction. Yeah,

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and many of the listeners are probably
saying, he owned a damn liquor

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store, have a drink he didn't
drink, So for him, makes some

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tea and have two aspirin. I
mean, it's like he didn't know what

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to do. But again, this
is a grown man who's been robbed numerous

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times. He pulls the cover over
his head and in his own home.

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I was thinking, like, you
know, like when I was when we're

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all little kids and you're scared.
You know, the boogieman can't look under

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the wood. But but it just
to show how we revert to that very

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primal fear, because that's really what
that is. Like, Yeah, that's

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a good point. That needs to
just conceal yourself. I mean, we

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know it's not rational. If they
really want to find you there, they're

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going to lift the blanket. But
it's just like we revert to a fight

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or flight, that survival mode.
Yeah, exactly. And he's even in

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the supposed security of his own home. But that's how terrifying this was.

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He doesn't feel safe behind locked doors
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morning he goes back to the park. He just is there anything can explain

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this, And he says where the
figures had been, there were about fifteen

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holes in the grass about six inches
deep, so something, something had recently

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been digging there. If you want
to read his next you know, when

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I went there and saw those holes, I got even more scared. I'll

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tell you something. I even felt
those holes. I didn't believe it looking

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at them. I put my hand
in one. Back home, more tea

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and aspirin I didn't drink. I
bet Betty's wishing he was drinking at this

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point, but that he doesn't know
what to do. I have some tea

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and some aspirin. Yeah that's that's
not going to help. But again he

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was still having trouble. Can I
believe my own eyes? You can just

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picture him putting his sticking his hand
in these holes. So he's trying to

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figure it out. It is it
a US government? Is it a secret

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craft? And then I love he
just says, but then it makes no

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sense. How could they recruit all
those little guys? It doesn't make sense.

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I love that. How could they
recruit all of those little guys?

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M yeah, that's pretty prets a
priceless comment. Yeah yeah, So was

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this just crazy guy hallucinating? Uh
no, unless there were a lot of

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people hallucinating that night and other nights. But why don't we take our second

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break before we get back to this, and we're back with this is a

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fascinating story already. Um I love
this. Witness his descriptors. He's very

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You could just tell this is so
it just it happens. This isn't someone

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lying and embellishing. This is someone
who's telling you exactly how he felt,

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and the fact that he keeps going
back to that fear and that being scared

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is um. You know, this
was a life changing incident for this man.

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And I saw interviews with his son
several years later, I think after

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he passed away, and he said, you know, my dad was just

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this straight lace, no nonsense,
and when he starts telling he goes,

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I didn't I didn't know how to
handle him telling us this because it was

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so out of He would never make
anything up. And he's still, you

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know, for years later. He's
like, I'm just trying to deal with

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you know. Of course I believe
my dad, but you know, it's

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basically, you know somebody you think, you think you know all of their

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reactions, but then you know they've
had to encounter something totally life altering to

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do something so out of character to
exhibit fear. I mean there's a lot

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of little kids who think their parents
are fearless, right, and so when

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they see this kind of reaction,
they're like, wait, what you know?

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So so yeah, as I said, probably people just saying okay,

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he had some sort of hallucination.
But the groundskeeper was later interviewed for that

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park and he recalled he didn't know
what happened, but he recalled filling up

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holes there. But even months later, grass didn't grow in those holes in

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those spots that were even filled up. Yes, and there were many more

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witnesses over the years, but that
night, this is the story I had

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I remembered from when it had first
came out that next to the park was

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a thirty five story apartment building called
the Stonehenge Apartments, very distinctive, tall,

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circular, thirty five stories and they
said at the time it was built,

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it was the tallest building in New
Jersey. Yeah what okay, Um?

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But anyway, Uh, And it
was on JFK Boulevard East. So

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you have this massive buildings in light
and confusion in Manhattan, and across the

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river you had this big park and
this very distinctive apartment buildings. So a

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very good landmark with which to navigate
by. Let me just say that.

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So it turns out that um,
somebody very important had been going to Obarski's

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liquor store there in Chelsea for seventeen
years. Bud Hopkins, I mean with

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yes, one of the chances google
him, one of the leading abduction witness

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uh investigators, and he just happened
to know Obarski and when he starts telling

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Bud this story, he's said,
well, you know again, if George

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is telling me this, something happened. So he's trying to find other witnesses

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and he gets the name of the
man who was the doorman that night,

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but he wasn't still working there.
He finds out his name was William Plowski,

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and he said it was a hard
thing to do. You know,

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now you google everybody, you know, it's so usually very easy to find

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people. He finally tracked him down
the old fashioned way and you can just

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see Bud now the night of do
you have any recollection to seeing? Yes,

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yes, I saw. This is
great. Remember what George George's descriptions.

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I saw lights a craft. There
were ten to fifteen windows, evenly

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spaced around it. It was ten
feet off the ground. So both he

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and George same thing. Ten feet
off the ground, the evenly spaced windows.

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He saw kind of he was much
farther away, a few hundred yards

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away, but still he could see
in the light that there was some sort

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of figures moving around. So he
corroborates that, and he's looking at this

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and he's like, oh my god, I have to call somebody, I

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have to report this. It's you
know, the doorman. As he's picking

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up the phone, he hears this
high pitched vibration and all of a sudden,

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a big crack forms in the huge
plate glass window of the apartment building.

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Okay, coincidence, I think not, that's right. It just seemed

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like, Oh, I'm gonna make
a phone call. Oh no, you're

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not. So he has to be
freaking out because he's on he's on watch

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here, and this very expensive plate
glass window has just shattered, so he

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thinks it's actually been shot the window. The craft takes off. Finally he

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calls the police to report I think
somebody shot this. He does not say

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I think the UFO in the park
did this. But they take a look,

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absolutely no signs of projectile. They
can't find any good reason why this

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window was broken like that. And
then when morning came, Uh, this

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guy went into the park and he
saw that near where he saw the craft

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there was a big tall tree trunk
that was like snapped in half. And

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he thought maybe it was some sort
of sonic weapon or energy weapon or something

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that snapped unless the craft bumped into
it, you know, snapped the tree

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trunk and shattered the window. Very
strange. So I think that's a pretty

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good corroboration from two witnesses who never
met. Yeah. Right, And and

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you know again I feel bad for
the door man. I mean, he's

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left holding the bag for this window. What's he How does he just you

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know, explain this like that to
me? I mean again, he's certainly

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not going to make up the UFO
part of it. No, No,

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I won't tell the police that,
right, like, like, hey,

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I don't someone shot my window?
Not Yes, a UFO used a sonic

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weapon to shatter my window because I
was going to squeal on them. Um,

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So maybe that's part of why he
left. He didn't want to stay

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there in that job anymore. I
wouldn't blame him, no, after that.

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But but wait, there was still
more witnesses five blocks away from there.

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Uh, like a whole family.
So a whole bunch of people saw

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Craft slowly going down their street very
low. They said it was almost like

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it was looking in their windows,
which is a little creepy. And they

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actually all ran out into the street
and and followed this as far as long

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as they could, like running out
in the street. Uh. After this,

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so there was a local woman of
school teacher named Anne Karlovich. She

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was very skeptical, but her daughters
had heard about this and they wanted to

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go run into the park, so
okay goes and they claimed there were rings

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impressed in the ground and burn marks
in the field. And I have not

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been able to corroborate this, but
someone, at least one person reported that

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that day the park was closed off
and men in protective orange suits were there.

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So that's kind of interesting. Yeah, wouldn't be the first time,

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so yeah, so let's go on
to a few more witnesses. There were

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other sightings through over the years.
In fact, Bud Hopkins reported that January

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fifteenth, nineteen seventy six, but
basically a little over a year to the

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day, at three am, again, two more witnesses said they saw a

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craft land in the same spot.
So what is it about this park and

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his apartment buildings? Nineteen seventy nine, manned by the name of Harold Stiff

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turns off from Boulevard East into the
park. So right there, his car

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radio stops, his car stops dead, and a bright beam of light shines

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down on his car, always unnerving, And he said strange sounds and language

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are coming over the radio. I
could make a joke about that it is

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New York. But he sees this
craft. The door opened and he says,

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little gray men with big eyes come
out. The next thing he knows,

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the door is shut on the craft. He doesn't see anybody, and

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it takes off and he thinks,
Wow, that was weird. And he

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thinks, so that was the weirdest
ten minutes of his life. Well,

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he goes home and he finds out
that was the weirdest three hours of his

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life. He has almost three hours
of missing time. And this this just

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takes the cake. Now, I
know because I've will interviewed these people that

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after an abduction or very close contact
people get some sort of prec native abilities.

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Yeah, we've heard that before,
right, Well, this takes the

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cake. Strap yourselves in, ladies
and gentlemen, because two days later,

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Stith tells his family that, of
all things, he had this very vivid

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dream about the Miss American Paget pageant, which was going to be take game

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two. Now, he has never
predicted anything in his life and could care

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less about Miss you know is not
a pageant follower, okay, And he

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says that Cheryl Prewitt of Mississippi is
going to be the winner. He even

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describes what she's going to wear her
and what performance she's going to give.

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Well, you can imagine his family
rolling in laughter, right right, Oh

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kay, Dad, It's like you
coming home and telling the boys, you

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know, I know who's going to
be when Miss Universe she's going to be

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wearing a gold loving god and playing
the flute. It's just so absurd.

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But guess what happens. Two weeks
later, Cheryl Pruitt wears that dress that

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he described, gives that performance,
and she's named Miss America. And he

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never has another precognitive no prediction,
nothing, What the hell? And of

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all things, you know, like, um, just Miss America, badget

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and you're not guessing all that,
you're certaing like yeah, you could probably

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guess the winner, but you're going
to guess everything else about it and get

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it right. I mean that's you
know, it's yeah, And unless it

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was a fix. Unless somehow this
normal New Jersey working man had an inn

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on the which you know, and
that was it. That was his one

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brief shot of precognition in his life. Boy the Universe has a strange sense

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of humor, don't they. Absolutely, But we're not done around nineteen eighty

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five or eighty six, police,
sergeant, we're in your territory now,

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yes, Sergeant bos Boskovic. He
is ticketing cars, which is probably a

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full time job in New Jersey.
In Manhattan, he has a very eerie

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feeling. He looks up and he
says, there are these mesmerizing lights that

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slow down over him, and they're
just going really slow. He jumps in

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his car Lark Avenue and then all
of a sudden they take off sideways and

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head towards the Stonehenge apartments. What
is it about this place at I would

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love to know what was built there
before? What was on that land or

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right right what was there, you
know, before the apartment building, and

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what was the history of that area
in jail or what was there hundreds of

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years ago. We'll find out it
was a Native American sacred site or something.

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So that that's his story. Then
July sixth, nineteen eighty six,

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manned by the name of Ron Lee
and his girlfriend Ninetta Nappy. She actually

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has an apartment in the Stonehenge.
So they're inside there on the balcony and

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they see this silent round craft.
There's a she was an artist did a

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great picture of it. You can
look that up. Three sets of double

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lights around the bottom of this craft. It hovered silence. I might have

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had a slight hum. I'm not
sure on that. It wasn't making a

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lot of noise. Let me put
it that way. Hovers five to ten

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minutes, takes off, and then
a military aircraft goes screaming down that they

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heard loud and clear taking off after
this. Um. You know how many

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times have we heard these military craft. They're always a little late to the

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party, yes, and they're they're
eternally hopeful they're going to catch it this

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time. But you know what's interesting
is this, this particular story ticks off

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so many of the different boxes that
we see spread out throughout different encounters,

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you know, missing time, precognition, the appear parts of the ets,

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for lack of better word, the
military, you know, being just a

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couple, you know, a little
little bit behind but trying to catch off.

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But we see this so many times, but oftentimes it's just one or

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two of those things, and this
one we're like getting almost a whole sampling

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of everything, which I think is
fascinating, and in such a small location.

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When we talk, we talk Hudson
Valley. Yeah, that's a big

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area. Even if we talk of
town, we're not even talk We're talking

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the Stonehenge apartments in the adjacent park. Yes, exactly, one little area,

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right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's still a few more.

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Nineteen eighty eight, DJ by the
na name of Dan Delia and another

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witness in a different location. They
didn't know each other. This was Saint

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Patrick's Day, and I didn't we
do a whole show or I've given a

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whole lecture on Saint Patrick's Day.
He sees this silent craft. It's diamond

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shape, it has white and green
lights, and you know, again somebody

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have a sense of humor. It's
Saint Patrick's day. And he actually in

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his car followed it for miles and
the craft goes guesswhere, right over the

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park by the Stonehenge apartment buildings.
So that date reminded me of something.

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I looked it up in my book
and I asked Bob. That was the

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night Bob, my husband, Bob. For those who don't know, that

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was the night he had his sighting
in Pearl River, New York. March

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eighty eight. So I told him
about this one because when he saw it,

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it was headed towards New York City. So isn't that amazing? Yeah?

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Yeah, cool, that's a little
bit of a coincidence. I'll go

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definitely. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, so remember that and Karlovich,

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the teacher who was very skeptical.
Yes, yes, well, you

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know, things come around eventually.
Nineteen ninety three, so all of those,

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you know, the original sighting was
nineteen seventy five, so she's skeptical

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for what eighteen years. She's driving
on Boulevard East that is like ground zero.

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She sees a large elliptical craft craft
that suddenly takes off. She's talking

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to her son in law later that
night, and he also saw an elliptical

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craft with an eerie glow. So
many people saw it. It was in

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the newspaper, but it was a
wake up called her. She was all

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these years, I thought, dah, these people they're seeing something conventional,

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they're imagining, and she's like,
now I know it's real. So it's

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good when finally people see it.
Nineteen ninety nine. A man on his

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balcony at the Stonehenge apartments photograph some
orbs two thousand and three. Over the

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park people see lights zigzagging. Two
thousand and seven, there's an article in

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the north Bergen newspaper that claims that
little north Bergen, New Jersey, is

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had the most reported UFO sightings in
the last thirty two years. They have

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reported blue discs, black triangles,
cylindrical craft, fireballs, and of course

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the craft the night of seventy five. So one last little bit. If

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after hearing this episode, you're all
like, I need to get an apartment

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the Stonehead if you want to set
up your cameras and equipment on your balcony.

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There's a very nice pool there.
But a eight hundred and forty square

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foot one bedroom home starts at about
twenty four hundred a month. I'm going

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to cancel my appointment with the real
estate agent now. It's about the book.

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It online as we're talking. But
that's a bargain because I also looked

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up an average cost of a one
bedroom apartment in Manhattan now is about four

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thousand a month. Wow. Though, yes, New York is a nice

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place to visit, but I think
you could get a fairly nice home for

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a mortgage of four grand a month. Somewhere. You can't blame whatever alien

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species is operating these UFOs in that
area for picking Jersey a lot cheaper for

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them too, And hey, yeah
it's easier to be on that side of

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the river. Yeah, let's congestion
and trafficking. But no, it's just

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what is it about that area?
Why that? I mean, you can

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literally stick a pin in that location
if you can just google Stonehenge Apartments,

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North Bergen, New Jersey, and
you see the large circular tower still there

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today and the large adjacent park,
and like right there. We're not being

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vague and say across the Tri state
area or up and down the river or

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all over Manhattan. No, we're
saying North Bergen, New Jersey and right

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by the Stonehenge apartments. Yeah,
that is a very odd place to have

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a UFO hotspot, I think,
But yeah it is. I mean,

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and Manhattan's right there for people who
don't know, it's not a wide river.

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The Hudson is not a wide river. And you can clearly see if

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there's a big craft hovering over the
Stonehenge, you're on the west side of

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Manhattan. All those thousands and millions
of people could see that as well.

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So I have over the years,
I know at least three people who have

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had sightings in north Bergen who told
me about it. In fact, one

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of them saw it that fateful night
that Georgio Barski pulled the cover covers over

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his head. So yeah, I
just found this so intriguing because we do

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concentrate a lot of shows on the
Hudson River area, the Hudson Valley and

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talk about pinpointing, you know,
even Pine Bush. It's the whole town,

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that whole area in Montgomery and Walleden
and surrounding. Right, but here,

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like I said, stick your finger
on it on a map and that's

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where it is. So I think
we need a fag trip. Yeah.

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The fact that you know, when
you go back to the initial sighting with

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the digging holes, that they're interested
in either the ground or what's in the

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ground, it leads you to speculate
like, Okay, they're probably not really

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interested in a high rise apartment building, but they're probably very interested in or

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connected to the land that is all
that that build on, that the park

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is built on. So people all
have to dig out some old maps and

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the rabbit hole just got big again. There you go. That's what you're

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good at It's curious, you know, because again why that spot there has

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to be something very specific which we
may never build a figure out, but

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you know quite clearly there is.
Yeah. Yeah, and like said,

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maybe maybe there's some way to find
something historically about that spot, or maybe

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they're whoever they were they were,
maybe their mission was get some dirt near

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Manhattan. Oh you know a lot
of concrete in Manhattan unless you go into

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Central Park, unless you land in
Central Park. So I don't know,

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but it's it's fascinating, and I
think Georgio Barski goes into my favorite witnesses

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list. Yeah, so yeah,
I encourage you to. You can go

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to YouTube look him up and you'll
see him speaking, you know, the

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quoted him right from his own words
and just an amazing, amazing case.

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Once again. Yeah, absolutely fascinating. Now I'm never going to look at

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North Bergen and especially that view from
when you look out from Manhattan across the

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river. Ever the same again everyone, Yeah, and maybe we'll spend a

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lot more time looking at North Bergen, yes as well. Yes, all

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right, well I am done.
Take us out. Fabulous episode. A

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