The Left was once a party that embraced women and fought for their sex based
protections, and now we're seeing that totally flipped. I'm in Texas. Wow,
oh my gosh, I just got back from Texas. So we were
in Texas. I was at the Capitol Austin. So you're awuest. You
see where a lot of the crazy people are. Yes, today, yeah,
today they're having their um they're hearing their gender modification bill. So I
heard it's going to be crazy there today. Yeah. Austin is a nutty
place. That's one thing I always I was telling my daughter, who will
get to this? But she's a swimmer, and I told her I was
talking to you today, and she was like losing her mind. She's also
a flyer. Riley said, Oh my gosh, she's gonna literally I'm her
hero now because I'm talking to you. Oh my gosh. That's a sweet
It's well, she just loves you so but um, but yeah, I
always tell her, I'm like you, you are forbidden to go to ut
Austin, Like, you can't go there. You can maybe go to A
and M if they stay sort of normal. But college these days is nuts.
It's just it's nuts for everybody. It is. Um, I've I've
I've learned that Oh my goodness. It's sad to say. I was naive
really before all of this, but oh my gosh, I've learned how crazy
universities and administrations can be. But yeah, so you always because ut um.
I mean, it's it's kind of crazy. But they're they're in the
SEC. They'll be in the SEC in twenty twenty five, which makes me.
I know, yeah, I went to I went to Tennessee. I
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my day. And that's exactly why I do what I do. Why I'm
continuing to really fight for this. It's for people like your daughter. So
that just makes my heart like happy. So oh that's I love it.
I love it so much. Well, I look at her, and you
know, she's obviously not at the level that you are, well in college
or whatever, but she's you know, she swims three hours a day,
six days a week, and you know she is a state level swimmer,
and you're in Texas, And so I look at the commitment that she puts
into it. And then I've seen you on so many interviews talking about all
of the swimming that you did, how you were six hours a day by
the time you're in college, and how I think one of the things that
you said, you would just scarf down food in the car, like when
you were high school, you'd scarped in between school and then going to practice.
And we do that, like it's kind of like we don't we don't
eat dinner like normal people and a normal family. Like so no, I
just like your story resonates with me, and I'm sure it resonates with so
many people who have daughters, and you know, just athletes in general,
daughters that are in any sport, whether it's swimming or whatever. And your
story resonates because it's this is becoming more and more prevalent. This is something
that we didn't think was going to happen, and then all of a sudden,
this is happening. And it happened to you. And when they passed
that trophy, they gave that trophy to Leiah and not to you, and
they did it for pr purposes. I as a mother, I just my
blood I thinking about it now, my blood is boil. I just get
so angry about it because of the time and the money and the commitment and
the passion that you know that I know that my daughter puts into swimming,
and I know you obviously did that as well, and just taking that away
from you was just so it's just it's unbelievable what we're allowing to happen.
I think my first question to you would be, what about your other teammates?
Because we saw it. We we're seeing what you're doing, because you're
basically the face now of all of this. But what about your other teammates?
What about the parents? Like I've not heard, like what what did
they do? What were they doing? Where is everybody else? This is
something I constantly ask myself. Speaking for my team at the University of Kentucky,
there was about forty girls on our team, so it's a pretty big
team. It's like your own little sorority. Really. Of those forty girls,
thirty eight feel the exact same way I do. The overwhelming majority they
either feel scared to talk about it. They don't on it to affect their
life because they see how it's affected mine and how my life plans have been
totally rerooted. They don't feel as if they have this personal story, so
they don't feel qualified to talk about it. There's a lot that goes into
it. So when I speak, when I do these interviews, when I
get in front of state legislature and share my experience, I'm speaking for so
much more than just myself. I know. It feels as if I've been
this lone voice, this lone faced person fighting for this, but I'm not,
and I know that, so it's hard. In regards to the parents,
this is something that kind of frustrated me at the beginning. Of course,
we were adults, were eighteen to twenty two years old, but it
still felt like this betrayal, whether that be from our coaches, the instable
a parents, people with political power. It felt as if in the moment
at our national championships last year, anyone who was supposed to be protecting us
just simply wasn't. And that was a hard realization. And that's when it
kind of hit me that if we, as female athletes weren't willing to stick
up for ourselves, how could we expect anyone to stick up for us.
I will say, of course, my parents are very supportive of me.
My dad, he was a former NFL football player. So he's a pretty
big guy, right, and we're here from Tennessee and a pretty big Southern
guy, which is even scarier. And when I told him I was sharing
a locker room with Thomas, that was something I'll never forget. He told
me that he's coming down there and he's going to handle it himself, to
which I had to say, Dad, we already have one man in the
locker room, don't need another. But yeah, we need more parents to
go to school board meetings. We need more parents to be willing to defend
their daughters and teach their sons masculinity. That's a big piece of it too.
Yeah. Yeah, what was that like being in the locker room?
I mean, because because now there's all the rumors about this being kind of
a fetish of Leah Thomas's real and I mean, how did especially with thirty
eight women not wanting that at all, how did you manage the situation?
How? What was that like? First of all, kind of I'll set
the scene. We had no idea we would be sharing a locker room.
We were not forewarned. No one told us, no one asked for our
consent. We did not give our consent, and so going into that locker
room being a place where I think we can all acknowledge. Locker rooms in
general are a bit uncomfortable, but growing up a swimmer, you almost become
comfortable being vulnerable in that environment. You're all used to it. These suits
you put on, I'm sure your daughter knows they're teeny tiny. It takes
about fifteen minutes to put these suits on, fifteen minutes of which you're fully
exposed. But this locker room, it's also a place of buzzing and chatter.
You get to see your friends from all over the country who you haven't
seen all years. But I can't even tell you the silence. When I
had my back turned, I was, you know, undressing, putting my
suit on, and all of a sudden, the room got silent, and
so it was kind of bizarre. So I turned around. A six foot
four, twenty two year old mail fully intact with an exposing male genitalia,
drops his pants, starts undressing. It felt this sub subconscious, inherent and
nate need to cover yourself immediately, and it was that was consistent across every
girl in the room, and so I immediately left the locker room, and
I went up to one of the officials on the pool deck and I said,
how did this happen? I want to know what the rules are that
allowed this to happen. And he looked at me and he said, word
for word, oh, we actually got around this by making the locker rooms
unisex. And so then I'm thinking, okay, unisex what any man could
have walked into that locker room. Any man, not just a self identifying
female, A coach, an official, anyone. And we weren't bare minimum
told about this, And that's when I was I was really like this,
we are catering to the radical minority at the expense of us as women.
We were the collateral damage in this process, and no one was acknowledging that,
Yeah, we're catering to biological males. I mean, we just lived
through the Me Too movement like five minutes ago, remember that, like people
and just totally yeah, we like all of that. And I just feel
like like having a biological man just walk in and just start undressing, It's
like no big deal. And I don't, I don't, how would you.
I would lose my mind. Like if I were a parent, I
would just be losing my mind. And I know you guys are a technically
at the adult level, but it's just it's just unreal. What's what's happening?
And so when I see you, know, like we saw your your
kind of I don't want to say altercation, I don't know what you call
it, but you're back and forth like with the Britney Grinders. And then
Meg, how do you pronounce for less same Rapino Rappano? I don't know.
I just know that she's awful. But those but those athletes who they
don't have skin in the game anymore, and so there and they're in the
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I find really interesting is that some of these athletes, I say, I
just should probably say X athletes because they're no longer in their sport, but
like the Brittany Grinders and the meg Rapinos of the world, are are willing
to die on this hill. It's like, and I would imagine some of
it has to do with the fact that they're in the LGBT community themselves,
but I just don't understand how, you know, they cannot see the connect
between like this biological women are being severely affected by this, and so this
is I don't it's an I'm sure there are some people in the LGBT community
that are against this because we've seen like the Caitlyn Jenners of the world,
but the fact that they were athletes, they've gone through this, they've done
the work, and then to see women being you know, maybe abused is
not the word, but just broke undermanement. Right, Yeah, And it's
interesting because look, and I like how you mentioned X athletes. First of
all, because Billy jen King, Megan Rapino, Brittany Griner, Sue Bird,
the other thirty six or so athletes that signed onto this letter that Megan
Rapino created. These athletes are done playing sports or throughout the end of their
career. They have nothing to lose. But I can guarantee you if Megan
Rpino is competing for a spot on that US woman's national soccer team and lost
out to a male, it would be the end of the world. And
if you've ever seen Megan Repino play, you know she's an aggressive players.
She's really tough. I would be really scared of Megan Repo if a man
took her spot. But as I mentioned, Billy Jeane King. This is
a woman who we essentially have to a credit title nine four. She's someone
who fought relentlessly to get women equal opportunities in sports, and now she's totally
going the opposite way and actively fighting for men to take away those opportunities for
women. It's crazy. I feel as if this movement happened so quickly.
Again, maybe I was naive to how long this has really been going on,
and I understand now that I definitely was, But this happened so quick,
and we've seen the political sphere even totally flip. I know, we
talked about the feminist movement, but the Left was once a party that embraced
women and fought for their sex based protections, and now we're seeing that totally
flipped the feminist movement. I first of all, I would have never considered
myself a feminist previously, but now I do. In a sense, I
consider myself a modern day feminist, which is someone who just understands that women
do deserve respect and we deserve equal opportunities. We shouldn't have to lose out
on that to men. Well that makes me think back to something that you
said earlier about how you know, the vast majority of your teammates were aligned
with your thinking about this whole thing. But that means that there were a
couple that weren't, And like, what what was wrong with them? Like,
I don't supporting men infiltrating their own sport. How could they? How
could they see that differently? I don't understand that thinking at all. I
don't either. Of course, women especially, they tend to be more agreeable.
They tend to not want to step on toes, they want to show
sympathy, they want to be compassionate, which, of course, in theory,
those are all great things. But when we're allowing our rights to be
infringed on, that's not inclusive. That's exclusive. It's not kind or welcoming
or tolerant or accepting or any of those those words they love to use to
ask a girl to get undressed in front of a man. That's not what
those things are, and so they do it in the guise of being again,
loving, accepting, inclusive. That's of course the big one that everyone
loves to push. But it's not inclusive, and that's what people need to
realize. By Leah Thomas competing in our sports at our and simply championships.
An argument I hear all the time is it's not really happening. Okay,
let's look at Leah Thomas, one person. He displays fourteen thousand other d
ones for worse, it's one person affecting a slew of others, and that's
what this issue is about. Yeah, but that's cyclist too, that it
just happened, right, And I've been following this guy Austin for a really
long time. He is someone who recently caused another female cyclist. Her name
is Hannah Arnsman. She's been reaching out to me. She just quit her
sport because of this guy. Gosh. And so he's someone I've been following
for a long time and now seeing him him win this this big tournament,
taking thirty five thousand dollars in prize money home that rightfully belonged to a woman
is heartbreaking. It feels as if I've been punched in the gut. Seeing
disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting. There there were people that would, you know,
we talk about your story a lot on our podcast in our daily show,
and people would say stuff like, you know what, they all should
have just not participated. They should have banded together and just not participated that
day, And I probably was one of the few people I was like,
well, you don't get it because these girls they practice and practice, but
I mean their whole lives they practice. The last thing they want to do
is just sit down, like take a seat for a dude, you know,
because they don't want to do that. So I would I would get
so protective when they would say stuff like that because I have a girl who
swims, and I'm like, the last thing I know she would want to
do is be like, well, okay, let's all just like sit back
and then just not swim today, you know, absolutely, yeah, So
what do you say, Like, how how else would if this happens again
and it will happen again that if, but when it happens again, what
should what should women do? What should these these athletes do in these situations?
This is hard because that's constantly something I see too as people saying you
should have just not swam. Okay, In theory, boycotts are great historically
they've proven to work. But let's be realistic, first and foremost, it's
impossible to get everyone on the same page and everyone sit down. That's just
that would not happen again, especially at the level we were competing at.
This was my last swim meet ever, this was my last race ever.
I had worked my entire life, eighteen years of my life to get to
that point. And you'll want to ask me and my teammates to not compete,
not swim my last race. I'm sorry. Yes that sounds great,
but no, we should not have to compromise anything. There's nothing we should
compromise, So this argument it's hard. I think my response to what needs
to be done in the future when this happens, and again it is I
win. It's not an if. It already is happening all over the country
at a rampant rate. It's to just be more vocal about it, to
express how this makes you feel and not apologize for it. That's something I
look back at how I really responded at the beginning of all of this last
year, and I was so apologetic for feeling the way I felt, and
I regret that so badly. But I felt as if I needed to come
out and say, you know, I'm sorry for feeling this way. But
we cannot have that. We cannot apologize, we cannot feel as if we
need to give something up to share how we feel because we don't we need
parents, we need girls, we need men, even two ruffle feathers and
step on toes. That's what it's going to take because we didn't want to
do that. That's how we've gotten here. We need to do that.
It is so important to have conversations athletes who are being recruited. I think
it's crucial to even ask the question to coaches, how how would you respond
if a mail wanted to join this team? Yeah, different things like that.
Being comfortable talking about this is the first step to making a change.
I think a college recruiting standpoint, if that was an angle in like when
parents are, you know, fighting for their kids to get on teams in
college, you know, to compete at the highest possible level. Do they
have any leeway where they can say, I'm going to choose a different school
based on your I don't know, acceptance and tolerance of this whole allowing men
to play. But doesn't it come from the NC double A and not actually
from the individual colleges. Yeah, yeah, it does it um So now
it's kind of interesting because of all the different state legislature that's being passed.
So let's say I think there's fifteen states thus far that have protected women.
There's twenty two together all together states that have protected at least k through twelve.
But I think there's fifteen states that have protected the collegiate level as night.
Yes, So actually yesterday I was in Texas testifying for protecting the collegiate
level, which I believe I'm confident will pass through, and so Texas will
soon be a state like the University of Texas in Austin, a Maile won't
be able to compete on a collegiate team there. So it refers back to
state legislature. Of course, we have the Biden administration who's doing work to
rewrite Title nine, which would have an effect on everything they are now actively.
Title nine is, of course supposed to stop discrimination on the basis of
sex. They now are rewriting it to where it stops discrimination on the basis
of gender identity. So what this means is men could joint sororities. Men
could live in dorm rooms with women and you could do nothing about it.
Men would have full access to changing rooms, restrooms, all of the things.
Men could take academic and athletic scholarships away from women, and this new
rewrite, it's actually sexual harassment if a if you missed gender a trans individual,
yeah, yeah, it's not sexual harassment for them to be parading around
our locker room exposing opposite genitalia. But if you miss gender them, you're
guilty. Wow. It's just it's unbelievable. It's just crazy. I feel
like what you have done, though, is you've you've emboldened a lot of
women because we have a lot of people that will you know, just it
has nothing to do with even this this gender stuff. It's it's just everything
else. We have a lot of conservatives that have written us over the past
fourteen years as who've been doing this, and they're like, I'm afraid to
speak out because conservatives in general are really they're very agreed, they are too
agreeable, and they're also very polite. We're just a polite group of people,
right, And so I think a lot of people on our side are
just not willing to fight back. And so you've emboldened so many women and
you know men too, to say what they feel about this stuff. Because
I'm seeing it more and more, like in my social feeds and stuff like
that it's definitely a movement that's happening because people, Yeah, people are just
fed up with this because the bottom line is is this is we have reality
on our side. We have facts and reality, and these people are ignoring
reality and that is insane. Absolutely, and I think the majority of people
again across the board, Look, do what you want in your free time.
If that is something that you want to do, by all means,
that is your life. Don't expect me to necessarily be willing to lie.
That's not what's going to happen. And that's what they're asking us to do,
is to give up the truth, give up common sense, give up
reasoning and data and science and all of the things. And that's like a
George orwelld dystopian novel that we're living in. When you're asking us to say
two plus two is five. No. The way that I always refer to
it is that they are asking us to participate in their delusions. And absolutely
we're not trying to stop them from living their lives as they wish. But
when you ask me to sign on, that's a whole different ballgame. Absolutely,
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the whole assault that you faced at the Turning Point WESSA event in California.
I wanted to get an update because I know you were hopping mad with every
with good reason, and you were talking about pressing charges and I wanted to
get an update on that, But I also wanted to find out because you
mentioned earlier that this whole you know, speaking out about this has changed the
trajectory of your life. It's one reason that other women haven't spoken out,
because they are not ready to make that kind of change. What would you
be doing right now if not for this entire thing? What did you hope
to do? It would have been very easy for me to simply right off
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towying in his accent. Yeah, I had. I was prepared to go
to dental school. I graduated with a degree in human health sciences and health
law. I scored in the top percentile on the dental admissions test. I
was geared up and ready to go, and this all happened and I realized
I can't do that yet. I feel so called to this, I feel
so passionate about this, and that I prayed about this for a really long
time. You know, God, where do I need to be? Just
put me where I'm needed and I'll do it. But I trust his plan.
My faith is what's kept me so grounded really this past year, so
secure with myself to enough to take the arrows that I get, and so
I put off dental school for a while and now I reapplied. I'm thinking
this time this year I could go. But now I still just don't feel
as if there are enough girls, women who are my age, who are
talking about this, and so I'm still just unsure what that looks like for
me right now. But the blessing is they're both good options. And dinal
school will always be there, um, it really will, but the relevance
and the importance behind this it might not always be there and someone has to
has to find it. Right. In regards to the San Francisco stuff,
oh my goodness, that was the most mind blowing, crazy unhinged experience ever.
But of course I was essentially ambush. I was held hostage for three
plus hours, held for ransom. They demanded money for me if I wanted
to make it home safely. They said I had to pay them. Oh
yeah, yeah, so that's what that looked like. Wow. Again,
for hours they held me in this room demanding if safely right right exactly?
And so after all of this, the administration released in a statement saying they
were so proud of their students who did this. They were so they acted
in such a brave manner. Word for word they said this. Um.
They said they had to listen to someone who spread so much violence. Me,
that's me. Yeah, And once the administration did that, we can't
allow this to continue. We have to hit them where it hurts. We
have to pursue legal action. And of course they make it a burden because
it's a financial investment. There's a lot of time that goes into it.
It's not fun, of course, to pursue litigation, but that's what is
necessary for schools, universities, institution or organizations, companies. They cannot keep
doing this and expect no consequences. So did you, I mean, have
the perpetrators been charged? There are there going to be consequences. I have
officially announced I'm pressing charges. The police naturally have been hard to get in
contact with. So yeah, so that is in process. There will be
litigation, um, again, just to ensure this doesn't happen to someone else.
I was simply there giving a speech on my experience competing against a man
and why it's harmful for women to have to go through that. The university's
man, right, I know, speech in so many ways, right,
it's crazy, It's absolutely craziness. Yes, so so that's one of it.
So you've been derailed, You've been derailed from dental school, which you
know you're you're doing. Now you have this pack, like you have a
pack, You're it's kind of like you were made for such a time as
this, Riley, right, Like, I mean, at least from the
outside and looking in abjectly you definitely you have a leadership quality about you.
Not to be listen, I don't want to be condescending. I'm just old.
So you know, I look at you and I think, because she's
just so remarkable, like I want my daughter, which she already does,
look up to you, and I'm glad for her to have people like you
to look up to, because there aren't many like you, you know,
there just aren't. So it's it's a wonderful thing. I you know,
I know you have the pack. You can tell us a little bit about
your path. I know to endorse. It's for endorsing candidates that are that
will help things. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. I created it last
year during a lot of the mid term elections when really this issue was predominant.
It was really brought to light and candidates were forced to address it.
And so my mission was regardless of political affiliation, regardless of any other issue.
I was solely looking at this one issue. Again, Republican, Democrat,
didn't matter. I was willing to raise money and cut a check to
any candidate who was willing to announce that they would protect do everything in their
power to protect women's sports. Of course, this only went one way.
There was only Republicans who did this. But that's what I was able to
do, which was important to me. It was important to honor in a
sense, these people who were willing to fight for us. Yeah. Yeah.
And then now there's this the Women's Bill of Rights, which is I
can't even believe we have to have that. It's like, what crazy,
I know. UM, So, the one Who's Bill of Rights, that's
a bill that I have been working alongside the Independent Woman's Forum on UM.
We've introduced it in four states Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Kansas.
It has officially passed in Kansas, it is on the way to doing so
in the next few weeks in both Oklahoma and Tennessee as well. So really
great, great things. This bill, it is a bill that defines the
word of women. It is not crazy. I just it is crazy.
I can't believe we're doing this like we have to and like it. It
has to like codify that just a common understanding of words like just women and
like sex and gender and things like like what are we doing like this?
I can. I live in bizarre world now, you know. And that's
um. That's why I say, if you take a step back and look
at what's happened in regards to the changing of the language, in regards to
the silencing and the suppressing of voices that we're seeing so often, in regards
to the denying objective truth. Really a lot of it is deeply rooted in
Marxism, and it's very easy to see when you when you take a step
back and look at what's happening. We've seen how this plays out, for
I mean, in history, we've seen what this does to cultures, and
it's not pretty. It's not good. I don't understand why we're resorting to
a place such as this, but that's exactly the direction we're it's happening,
because that's not what schools are teaching kids anymore, and kids don't know that
it's is rooted in Marxism because they don't know what that is. But they'll
they get renounced and they know they're white oppressors, other oppressed. I mean,
it's just that. But to your point, it's it's not even just
that what's happening in women's sports has happened so fast. It's that whole woke
culture that has well about this all the time. That it's the speed with
which that has all happened and changed the culture so dramatically is just mind blowing.
It is totally Riley. It's crazy so much. And thank you for
putting up with all my tech tech issues. Thank you for giving us all
of this great you know, updates on everything that you're doing and all of
the things that are the ways that you're speaking out and encouraging other people to
do. So we're trying to do it too. We send you every step
of the way, and we tell our audience every day to be loud and
don't seeing inside these little chat groups, but get out and be loud and
yeah, being fantastic sample of that, be like Riley, be like Riley
and I and listen. If there's anything that we can help you with,
which I don't know what that would be besides being our crazy you know,
just outspoken stily. But but if there's anything we can help you with,
let us know what that is, because we are happy to do it,
because I'm fighting for my daughter, you know, and and any potential grand
kids that I have. And and you know Miriam is doing the same.
She's got she's got two boys. But you know she understands the importance of
this because it affects our it affects our boys too, then those this crazy
culture. So, um, anything that we can help you with, just
let us know because we are, We're here, We're willing to help.
Well, you guys are doing it. You're getting the message out there,
you're talking about this, you're creating this environment of comfort in talking about it.
And so I'm so grateful for you guys. I'm so grateful, grateful
for the listeners. Um, and if that's reciprocated, If there's anything I
can do for you guys anytime, I would love to come back on.
You guys are phenomenal, you're fun, you're beautiful. It just makes it
all more exciting. So I'm grateful for you guys. Riley, thank you,
you are just a doll. We appreciate you coming off. We appreciate
you so much for all you do it. Thank you well. Thank you guys,