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The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It's time for another
edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.

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I'm your host, as always,
George Hobbes. I hope this podcast finds

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you well and everybody's having a great
week. We have a guest standing by.

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His name is Justin. He'll be
joining us in just a moment before

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we get started, just a couple
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meet up and share ideas. Again, it's the flatterthfiles dot com. Questions,

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think we're we're still two to three
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best weekend to try to knock out, you know, a couple of interviews

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a week and spread the message of
flat Earth and you know everybody's journey to

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the truth. So with all that
being said, again, we've been chatting

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Justin and I for quite some time, having some very intriguing correspondence and he's

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a very very well thought out guy, and I've been looking forward to this

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interview for quite some time. So
without any further ado, let's bring Justin

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on the program. Justin, how
are you doing, sir? I'm doing

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well. George, how are you
great? I'm doing very well. Thank

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you. Go ahead and take a
moment and introduce yourself to the audience.

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Do my first and foremost if we
just pray? Yeah, absolutely, Basically,

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let's go ahead and bow our headsply. Father, we thank you for

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this opportunity to gather fellowship today.
Lord, as we speak together and your

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word is being heard by the listeners
who George has gathered, and that you

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have given him this blackform. Father, we asked that your word be all

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that we hear. I asked that
it not being my understandable, my knowledge

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of my wisdom, where George is
understanding knowledge of wisdom, with the wisdom

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of God who is Christ, Jesus, our Lord and fathering. Your words

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will be coming from our mouths,
so that your message will you received by

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those who you have called to hear
it. Lord, give us eyes to

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see here's to hear, hearts to
understand all that you were teacherous to not

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in Jesus name of pray Man.
Hey, amen, thank you to that.

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Absolutely. Oh sorry, and what
was the what did you say before

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that? I have go ahead and
introduce yourself to the audience. Oh a

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right. My name is Justin.
I'm thirty nine years old. I am

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a father of three d and praise
to be God, just husband of one.

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The Lord has blessed me with a
family that has just been incredible,

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even through all the trials and tribulations
of marriage and trying. At the same

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time of when my wife and I
first got together, we were both just

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individuals who were agnostic at best would
describe ourselves as spiritual, but there was

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no nothing actually spiritual about anything that
we enjoyed, and it wasn't It was

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really around the time of twenty fifteen, so I've always been I guess let

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me to act it up a bit
I'm always what you would call a critical

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thinker. In two thousand and one, when the Tower spelled and everything like

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that, I was in high school
and I remember watching it in my history

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classroom. They walked in and interrupted
our and interrupted my teacher and told him

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to turn the television on, which
watched it live on TVs. The Towers

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spell. And I remember at that
time really not having a grass and understanding

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like what the meaning was of all
of that, but I could recognize in

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that minute it just when the first
tower fell, it just did not I

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expected if a tower of that tall
would fall with damage that high in it,

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it would lean over and fall.
To see a shirt just crumbling bick

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down, just it seemed odd.
And here I am a high school I

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have no engary background. I know
nothing about construction or demolition, and I'm

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just like, that's a really odd
way for that tower to start falling.

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And then, as you know,
going into the internet looking those things up

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and actually, what was his name, guy who did Fahrenheit nine eleven was

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his name more Michael Moore? Yah, Yeah, that was that was Actually

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I remember Fahrenheit that a lot of
them and watching that and being like,

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man, there is a lot to
this that doesn't make sense. So that

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was really my initiation, I guess, into this concept of critical thinking.

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I mean, I don't even know
if conspiracy theory was. I know it

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was because Bill Cooper was around,
and there were a few others. But

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I kind of fell off of that
train for a while, just fell into

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the you know, the lusts of
my youth and things like that, and

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running after all of the all the
things that you do in college and later

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late in high school into college and
things like that. But I really got

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into as I get later into college. We gott in my junior year in

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college, I was going for my
criminal justice degree and wanted to become a

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law enforcement officer. I remember the
National Defense Authorization Act of two thousand and

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nine, after having everything that happened
with the Patriot Actor. Was always just

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this recognition that the government was just
for seizing power. They were taking power

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at any opportunity they could, and
they were doing it as subtly as they

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could, and if you weren't paying
attention, they were basically taking I guess

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I shouldn't say taking, but they
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to whatever they desired. To you. And the National Defense Authorization Act of

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two thousand and nine was pretty much
the cross four with me when they passed

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the act that you could basically as
long as you stated that you believed an

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individual had terrorist ties or was involved
in terrorist activities, you could detain them

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an American citizen. You could detain
them without due process, so you could

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detain them indefinitely and never have to
take them to court. So basically,

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you just we think you're a terrorist, snatch and grab them, and they're

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gone forever for as long as you
like, and they will never see a

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courtroom, they will never have a
date to defend themselves. I started to

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I started to realize, like,
if I'm going to be a law enforcement

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officer, there may come a day
where I am going to have to hold

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a law. I don't believe it's
constitutional. I don't believe it's right,

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yeap. And that least started to
weigh on my heart. But I was

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still at that time really deep in
into just my own selfishness and my own

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fleshy desires and things like that.
But that was really where my walk into

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critical thinking went to. But as
far as sad me, at any point

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if I'm just talking too long,
by the way. No, that was

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just very intriguing. And so from
about two thousand and nine to twenty fifteen,

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to say it best, in my
life, there were things that happened

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to me as a kid. Because
the best way I can describe it that

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was a very skinny, tall,
big bowl, glasses bowl cut, Harry

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Potter looking kid like my story as
I used to joke that if Harry Potter

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was getting cast when I was a
child, you would have been in the

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wing. For like, I just
looked like a nerd and I wasn't nerd.

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I was. I was a nerd. But as I grew up,

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I got bigger, my body filled
out, and I had been bullied when

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I was younger. I had been
the recipient of a beatdown for a gang

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initiation at one point, and there
were certain things in my life that just

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started to fester a hatred in me, and I was just I basically spent

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my late teens and in my early
twenties just full of hate. I couldn't

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I couldn't vocalize it, I couldn't
express it, but I just hated everyone.

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The best way I could describe it
is I was driving one day with

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my high school sweetheart who was my
fiance at the time, and we had

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just left a family dinner which we
ended up showing two and a half hours

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late to because I didn't care about
my family, and I remember were saying

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to her, is like, I
know my family loves me. I have

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absolutely no idea why because I don't
care about them at all, And she

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and I just had a conversation.
We couldn't really grasp it, but that

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was really revelic towards me because I
had grown up as a nominal Christian.

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My mom had taken us to different
churches throughout time. My grandfather had been

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a pastor, but he had died
when I was twelve, and he was

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really the old soverign figure in my
life that I had ever actually connected with.

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My biological father abandoned my family for
drugs, alcohol, and women when

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I was three months old. My
stepdad who's passed away now. Not to

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defang him or anything like that,
I'll just say he and I did not

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have a good relationship that there wasn't
loving where there was no real connection between

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us, and he was also part
of the He's also a part of what

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helped build up the hatred inside of
me that I I was just full of

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anger all the time and I just
wanted to hurt people. And that was

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really starting to play out in my
heroes and idols at that time were serial

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killers. As awful as that is
to say, I was studying them incessantly.

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I was learning their tacts and learning
the things they were doing and how

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they were getting away with them.
And I give phrase to God because I'm

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I'm absolutely certain if the Lord had
not set restraint in my heart, I

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would have gone in a far different
direction than I have ever that I am

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now because the only thing that I
remember ever stopping me was this concept that

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had been set in me. I
didn't have an understanding of it. I

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didn't really know how it went,
but I knew that I would be judged

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one day, and that judgment would
be from God and I so I got

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deep into occultism and demonology and a
lot of role playing like Vampire the Masquerade

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and other things like that, where
you could express these desires to basically unleash

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the beast within was really the concept
of it, but do it in a

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safe fashion, right? An't thing
that? And I just remember I got

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so far gone that I I wanted
to be demon possessed, and I referred

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to myself as a servitor of the
pit. I was a Bali serviator of

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the pit, like that was A
that was a vampire tribe and BTM.

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But I wanted to associate it as
to who I was the person I wanted

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to adopt that persona because basically the
mentality I always had was it is I

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never wanted anyone to be able to
hurt me. I never wanted anyone to

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be able to get over on me
again and do and damage you or harm

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me again. And it really started
to play out off because what happened in

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my mind was I said it in
my mind is that no matter how far

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someone is willing to go, I
must be willing to go a step farther.

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I must be willing to go and
hurt them more. And so an

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any opportunity I could find to be
harmful to somebody, I was, And

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that started. I got a job
as a resident advocate for the criminally insane,

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and I remember I knew nothing about
the job. I had no interest

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in mental health or anything like that. But my friends who worked there came

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up towards me and basically told me, is you can beat people up and

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get away with it. Well,
I went in the bay and I applied

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for the job, and I got
the job and looked for the very first

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opportunity that I could, and was
basically taught how to barn people without getting

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in trouble for it. And it
just it fed everything in me. It

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fed this desire in me to range
people. And I was in that job

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for several years, and I remember
there was a time where there was this

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resident six foot ten, huge,
redneck, racist white guy. Huge.

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I'm six foot four, two hundred
and fifty pounds, and he dwarfed me

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and one of my co workers,
Terrell, was about a three hundred and

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fifty pound black joke. And this
resident would constantly just say and word this,

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and we're back to him. And
I remember we were doing a double

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shift one weekend and or pulland double, so it's work second shift Friday night,

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first and second Saturday, and the
first and second Sunday, so one

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whole weekend, and this resident was
just going off, that's what we called

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it. The whole weekend. He
was doing everything he could to just be

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a terror in this facility. He
tried to pull a bookshelf down on top

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of a blind resident and she in
the face when I stopped him, and

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we ended up physically managing him in
that instance. And it was just like

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that. It was second as soon
as I walked in Friday, second ship

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was boom. The entire weekend.
It was just dealing with this residence.

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He ripped down our chain link fence
that was at the backyard of our facility.

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It was just he was just going
off the whole weekend and we were

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just getting so fed up with it. And Sunday night Second Ship, so

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it was the end of the weekend. So at the end of my ship,

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I go off the unit to go
to the bath room and there's this

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araba between units where our manager's offices
are, and they had this and this

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was the stupidest idea in the world, and we constantly told him this is

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dumb. They had this picnic carry, which was a cement area that you

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could go out to. It was
fenced him the residence could go there,

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but there was a rock bed along
the whole odder edge to it, and

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we kept on telling him you can't
have a rock bed there. They will

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go out there and use these rocks
his weapons. Sure, and no one's

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going to do anything. It wasn't
locked, so they could go access it

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as long as they could get through
from the unit to it could go out

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and get the rocks. And they
tought, well, I leave the unit,

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and I just here, you know, su you big fat and and

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I'm just like, oh no.
And I looked to my left and they're

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out in this unit. It is
Terrell and this resident and he's got a

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rock the size of my fist and
his hand cocked back, ready to throw

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it at my coworker. And I'm
just like, all right, all right,

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well here we go, because that
was just where my mentality was.

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It's like there wasn't even fear.
It was just like, all right,

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well, we're gonna do this.
And so I go out there and my

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coworker, Terrell, is unfortunately antagonizing. He's like, you ain't gonna do

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anything. On you ain't gonna do
it sixteen two. Shut up. This

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guy's got a rock cock back the
size of the size of my head and

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you're telling me he's not gonna do
it. Well, guess what he threw

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it. And the road, I
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everything slowed down. I saw Terrell
put his hands up and turn his

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head away to shield himself with this
rock. I didn't know what happened to

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him, but like this resident bent
down to grab another rock, and I

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just rushed and get me in the
face. I smashed him up against the

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fence, and I knew nothing about
like, actually he's fighting at this point.

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I just knew I like to hurt
people, and I shoved him up

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against the fence as he as he
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and I somehow threw him over my
head. He was huge, and

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he landed down beside me with his
mouth on my forearm, and he's biting

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into my forearm and I literally had
to like saw my arm out of his

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mouth, and I started smashing his
head into the pavement and he started biting

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at me and fighting. And then
at the same time, but I don't

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know how much time passed, but
my coworker Terrell got up and he had

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actually been hitting the head with this
rock. We he ended up having to

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go to the hospital with a mild
concussion. But in that moment, he's

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huge, so I'm like this big
six with ten bear beneath me, and

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this big three hundred and fifty pounds
bear on my back trying to get me

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to let him kill this guy.
I'm just like trying to hold one with

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the other hand, pull the other
one down on the other hand. We're

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just in this tussle and there's blood
everywhere, and I remember one of my

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somebody ended up calling the sheriff's artment, and the sheriff's barman came out with

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a shotgun of this guy's head and
says, stay down. And I stood

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up, and I had a euphoria
in me had never felt in my life.

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I was covered in blood and I
felt so good. I felt so

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related, and I'm like, I
know what I want to do. I

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want to fight people. And so
then I started doing mixed martial arts,

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getting into all the different disciplines with
the tension of horned people, and I'm

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feeling like this is a dragon world. So I'm just going to go and

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shorten it. So I had my
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and it was the greatest sextasy I'd
ever felt in my life. It was

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better than any sex. It was
better than anything I ever felt in his

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physical sense when I was seeing my
opponent in his in his thigh and he

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was screaming in my ear. I
had a plumb tie out of him and

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I was folding her to tie colage, and I was needing him to sigh,

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and n was screaming every time I
hit him, and it was just

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it was everything I had ever worned. It was so relieving, it was

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so ecstatic. And I had basically
at this point come to this desire in

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my life to be a god,
in every aspect of my life, to

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be my own god. I wanted
no one to be able to get over

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on me in the physical sense.
I wanted to know one to be able

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to get over on me mentally in
any sort of debate. I didn't want

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it to be totally even sexually and
things like that, Like my mind had

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gotten so perverted, like I would
have relations with a woman and I would

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not allow myself to be satisfied in
that. I would do everything I could

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not be satisfied in it. For
the sense I didn't want anybody to be

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able to satisfy me, and then
when they would leave, I would go

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and take care of myself like that's
it wasn't even enjoyable to me. It

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was about I was so twisted and
corrupted in my mind, and then my

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hatred and my desire to be this
untouchable person that I had totally like driven

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everywhere away. I was destroying every
relationship I was ever in and I couldn't

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understand it. I was I was
like a man standing in the middle of

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his house while his house is burning
down around and wondering what happened as I

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have a can of gas in the
long hand and matches in the other and

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I'm just like, I don't understand
what's going on. I was burning my

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world down around me. And at
that time, I had met the woman

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that was going to become my wife, and I had this habit of putting

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on this mask of like the type
of man I wanted to be, which

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was a good and faithful boyfriend,
faithful I with her and I had We've

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been together for a year, and
I was I was just devastated because I

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had this spike going on, and
I had my my career was going to

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go pro like the guy that I
trained with, several professional fighters who were

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actually in the UFC, and I
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there aren't many heavyweights that are still
be capable, and I was going to

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go pro and do that. And
right after this first fight, everything in

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my world just fell the pieces.
I had it up with the general disc

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disease in my back that had been
building up for years. I had,

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I had her. I had a
seizing bolting discs in my back that were

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just making mysiatic a screen with fire
all the way down my right leg.

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That's a Brudian. And I had
been h I had been treating with narcotic

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medication. I would use them.
I would use the medication for like whatever

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medication would given me. I would
use that to numb the pain for the

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time, and then I just go
right back to fighting and it would flare

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up again and I'd just do it
again. And I'd been treating with that

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way for like six years, but
around this time that was the worst I'd

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ever had. And at the same
time, I had asked my wife to

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marry me, and yet I was
seeing all the old trends that were destroying

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my relationships happening again, and I
couldn't stop myself, and I was like,

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what is going on? And then
at the same time, if I

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wanted to go in chase after being
a professional fighter, I would have to

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go out to Vegas or out to
California or Arizona, somewhere where the big

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schools are, and I would have
to abandon everything that I was building here,

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and my life was forward apart.
And then as far as it's really

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interesting because flat Earth fever around right
around the same time as Christ started to

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work in my life. And really
what it was is there was two things.

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I saw a meed and I still
have it to this day of a

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train with a smoke stack coming out
of it next to a pillar of smoke

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from a volcano going up through the
clouds, and it says, and it

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basically just simply said, this is
how smoke reacts with a moving surface.

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This is how smoke reacts on an
unmoving surface. And I think the tibeline

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was is the earth action moving?
Question mark? Yeah, I found that

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made by the way. I found
that exact image, so I leave that.

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The show notes it says, see
the difference, the earth is motionless,

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and it shows a train doing twenty
miles an hour, and then of

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course you know the volcano is spewing
smoke supposedly at one hundred thousand and it's

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going straight up in the air.
Yeah, And I knew in that moment.

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I'm like, huh, it's not
moving. I didn't know anything else,

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but I was like, it's not
moving. It can't be. That

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doesn't make any sense. Like even
there's not even wind pushing it, there's

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nothing in that moment. The smoke's
just going straight up. It didn't make

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sense. But I was like,
that was just kind of the beginning of

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the path. But I remember,
you remember the go fast amateur rocket,

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the one that just stopped. It
was what's that the one that just stopped?

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Yeah, the one that just stopped
and it sounds like it's hitting water.

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Yep. I remember watching that because
I was like, I know,

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big into rockets, like rock Oh, that's cool. You know it's an

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amateur rocket going to go up the
highest And I'm like, how did the

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thing stop? What happened? There's
there's nothing within the heliocentric model that would

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ever lead you to believe that that
rocket should stop unless it hits something.

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And then Mike actually was well,
if it hit something, why did it

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not blow up? Why did it
not fall? The pieces get destroyed it

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hits something that's malleable, that was
resistant but pliable, you know what I

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mean. I was just like,
Okay, this isn't what they're telling us,

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is not what this is like,
it can't be. And then I

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started watching Rob Skiper videos and he
was doing actual tests, and he did

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one with the magnet or whatnot,
one of those lenses, those lenses where

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he just basically took a little piece
of paper with a sun drawn on it

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on a little wheelly trolley and pulled
it away with a magnetic lens in front

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of it. And you just watched
that even as he had it at multiple

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cameras, and you could see that
even as he was pulling it away,

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the image inside of the magic the
lens stayed magnified. And I was just

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like, Okay, the sun doesn't
actually go around the curve like and it

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was just it was just this slow
genesis process of like, it can't be

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what they're saying there because I cannot
reproduce this on a curved surface. And

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that was really the start of it. Right around the same time. So

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my actual conversion and submission to Christ
as a slave came in twenty fifteen as

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well. Right around. Everything in
my life was falling apart. But at

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the same time, it's still telling
myself, I'm this, I'm this,

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like this god of a man,
and that's where I was. It was

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more less I shouldn't say goddess,
I myself because I loved demonology and I

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was even though I would never call
myself a Satanist, I loved Satanism.

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I loved everything in demonic, in
everything evil, like I truly was trying

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to kill everything in my conscience that
would stop me from committing evil. I

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wanted to do egal. All of
my heroes, all of my idols,

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were evil. And I remember I
got into all of my friends were atheists,

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and they got into a debate.
It was basically like over Richard Dawkings

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the god delusion, and how the
god of the Old Testamator is the most

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homicidal jedocidal fictional character and all of
history, and how these got the greatest

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killed death ratio or kill count and
all up history. And I just remember

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and then they were saying, like
the Jesus of the New Testament and it

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is just this hippy keep me lovely, w wheat smoking, you know,

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like peace and love, kind of
Guy, and I was just like I

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used to go to Awana as a
kid. I would go to Camp a

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Rikaya, like I would go to
these Christian things, and I was like,

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I didn't know a single verse of
the Bible. I don't even think

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knew John three sixteen. But I
was like, that's not how I remember

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the scriptures being presented, Like,
Okay, I want to debate them and

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defeat them. That was my whole
intention for buying a Bible. I had

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no desire to no Christ, had
no desire to no God, and I

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just wanted to defeat my friends in
argument and prove to them that they were

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wrong. So there was a There
was an atheist book I started listening to

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on audio called like Dreams to Blood, where they basically just took Isaiah thirty

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four and they went and they just
ran with it and just talked about how

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God is just this homicidal maniac and
this mass murdering studio of killer. And

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I read I listened to that and
I was like, Eh, it sounds

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iffy, because then I read Isaiah
thirty four and I'm like, well,

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they're saying that this makes him evil, But Isaiah thirty four says that the

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Lord is doing this as retribution for
what has happened to his people, what

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the enemies of his people have done
to them, he will serve back on

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to them. I was like,
well, that actually sounds like, you

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know, a pretty good king,
Like I would want my kid to dole

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up just on the enemies who have
slaughtered my people, Like that's that's a

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good king. And then they would
talk about the flood, and I,

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you know, was reading Genesis six
and it was like that the that the

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intentions and the thoughts of men's hearts
were only evil ever continues, and so

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I was basically like, Okay,
so you have an entire world full of

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serial killers and rapists and pedophiles.
I would want to kill those people.

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Why would I then say that God, who made them doesn't have the authority

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to do that. Who am I
to say all their thoughts are evil only

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continuously? He has every right to
destroy them. I, myself, as

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a Magan, was doing like I
was justifying all of the evil that I

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was doing because I was saying I
was doing it to pedophiles, I was

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doing me to rapists, I was
doing it to murderers like the Angury our

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eye cases, which are not guilty
by reasons of insanity. They were.

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They were people who had done some
very heinous things and had gotten away with

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it in a sense indeed, And
so I was using that as a justification

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to be who I was, and
it was just fueling this fire within me.

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And I started recognized as like,
Okay, something is not adding up

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here with what all my friend's arguments
were. And I started watching around Christian

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apologists versus atheists debates like Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris versus like and Richard Dawkins

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versus oh my gosh, I'm forgetting
his name, the old Oxford professor and

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Robbie Zacharias. I know everything that
happened about him, but he was very

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instrumental in my beginning, in John
Lennox and a few others. But I

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just remember listening to these and the
Christians were just so civil and so calm

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and so easily refuted every argument of
these atheists. I was just like,

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this is not this is interesting,
Like they are slaughtering these guys, they

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are defeating them. And I was
still in this, still in this mode

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where I was destroying my life and
I couldn't explain why it was happening.

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I mean, I was, I
didn't want to do it, but I

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couldn't stop myself. And I go
to the sermon of the Sermon on the

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Moud. I can't even remember why
I was there, and I read in

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Matthew, you have heard it said
that thou shall not commit adultery. But

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I tell you, if you've even
looked at a woman with lust in your

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heart, you have already committed adultery
with her. And Geordie was like a

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damn blew up in my mind,
and every single saying that I was struggling

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with was answered. Because I had
been lying to myself and deceiving myself.

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I was telling myself I was a
good person. I was telling myself I

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was not committing evil. Then I
was. I was doing it in my

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heart. I was doing it in
my mind. And it was just in

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that moment when I was like,
I don't know anything about this book,

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but what I just read is true. If that is true, what else

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is true? And I just went
on a tear and I had not stopped.

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I have been following Christ ever since
I came to recognize that he is

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the way, He is the truth, and here's the life, and no

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one comes to the Father but through
him, and there is no other name

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under heaven by which who maybe say. And at the same time, and

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I praise God for this, he
dismantled the globe earth heliocentric model at the

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same time, because a lot of
what happens with modern Christians today is there

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you have a lot of people who
professed to be Christians who are actually followers

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of scientism. Yep. They actually
their priests and their high priests are scientists

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and doctors, and they will just
go with whatever science says, and they

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will claim that that's the truth.
And that was so when the Lord dismantled

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that for me, the scripture just
came into place. I didn't have to

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try and interpret anything. I didn't
have to do any ice of Jesus where

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I'm like, okay, where scripture
says this, but science tells me this,

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So I'm going to agree with science. No, I'm going to try

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to make the scripture mold to what
my understanding of science is. No,

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if scripture says this, I must
throw out what science says. It's wrong.

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Asked me, how do I know
that this Christ says? I am

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the truth. And if he is
the truth, then what he says is

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truth. He is the one who
speaks what is true. So if I

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have this understanding and he has this
understanding, mine has to just go away.

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It's wrong. I'd just have to
accept it. Why because he said

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so. He either is the truth
or he isn't. And if he needs

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it, I don't need to listen
to a word he says. If he

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is, I must abide by everything
he says. And therefore, you know,

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I know, I've listened to all
of the two hundred or two hundred

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proofs of flat Earth's in the Bible, and I would say a lot of

435
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those are sketchy at best, because
they should be understood spiritually, try not

436
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:06.960
cardally materially. But Joshua ten,
but yeah, it's absolutely he stopped under

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mood in the sky. Yes.
And I have have a new King James

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version that has a commentary in the
bottom rate like and it basically says,

439
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.720
well, this was just written because
they didn't have an understanding. Oh my

440
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.720
goodness, I hate that. Just
standing orbit and the Lord was the Lord

441
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.519
was just writing it. They were
writing in a way that made sense to

442
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them and their primitive understanding, because
there's this, there's this, this constant

443
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.799
lie that we tell ourselves is that
those who came before us were stupid,

444
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yep, that they were as enlightened
as us. You know, all honestly

445
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:50.519
we are dumber than the men who
came before had. Like I try to

446
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.960
tell this that people all the time. Is like when they when they try

447
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.319
to like dog on the Pharisees and
the Saddtes, I'm like, do you

448
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.359
understand. The Pharisees and the Saddestes
knew the entire Higher Old Testament to the

449
00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:06.599
letter. They knew it to every
iota. That's why Christ says that not

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one job o'tiddle well the will be
taken from this law because they knew every

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job in tittle. They were testing
game on everything. They knew it to

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the letter because they had to transcribe
it. And they got one word wrong,

453
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:22.839
one mark wrong. They had to
It didn't matter if they were going

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00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.480
through Isaiah and they were copying Isaiah. They got to Isaiah sixty six and

455
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.200
they miss misspelled something, They did
something wrong, and they caught it.

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They had to throw the entire writing
out and start again. These men knew

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the stricture. They were so much
smarter than we are. They were so

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much more versed in wisdom and knowledge
of the world than we are, and

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we just lied to ourselves because again
it's this constant desire to exalt ourselves and

460
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.960
deify ourselves as our own God.
It's exactly what I was doing. And

461
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so it's just right around the same
time that Christ saved me from my sin

462
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.799
and my deprivation, he also showed
me that the flat, that the earth

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is flat, that it is an
earth. I guess, if you want

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to, I should say he showed
me Biblical cosmology is a better way to

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say, because I wouldn't describe myself
as a flat earth as much as a

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biblical cosmologist, because I will submit
to what the scripture says, right,

467
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and this is that deferred is on
moving then that the all of the celestial

468
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.920
bodies are orbiting above us and rotating
and moving around us. He doesn't give

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00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.360
me direct description. I know everyone
wants to talk about the pillars and how

470
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it's set upon these pillars, and
it's it's on moving on here. Knowing

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00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.400
again, there is an understanding we
have to recognize what the pillars are.

472
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The scripture talks about when we are
discussing that in the earth that's actually being

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talked about, there is actually man
being set up on the pillars of the

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scripture. But that's a whole nother
that's a whole other topic. So that's

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really where I came to the realization, understanding, and where I've been to

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today as a slave of Jesus Christ. So yeah, that's weird. That's

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00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.800
a great intro and a great story. And I could tell just from our

478
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.559
conversations and our emails you're the type
of person no matter what you take up,

479
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:12.880
you go in head first, one
hundred percent. It's amazing to me

480
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.920
your depth of knowledge of the Bible
and our conversations that we had, and

481
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then to hear your story, I
figured you know that this was you for

482
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.239
your entire life because of all the
knowledge. But now I understand when you

483
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.360
take up something and in this case
it was the Bible nine years ago,

484
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.719
you live it and you breathe it
and it really shows. And it's an

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00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.400
amazing story. And I do have
a bunch of notes. I want to

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go back and ask you about your
intro. First and foremost, you have

487
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three children. It is very hard
and getting harder every day to navigate this

488
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:51.639
world as Christians. What are your
thoughts on their education? Yeah, so

489
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that's actually one that I struggled with
very early on because I recognize the education

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system of that we're in that is
being propagated throughout society. I give praise

491
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.000
to God actually, because as I
was struggling with this, the Stantists,

492
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.880
the governor of Hubbed, Florida,
set in place a law that did not

493
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:20.079
allow sor basically transgender ideology and homosexual
ideology to be taught up until the fourth

494
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:24.800
grade in school. So he actually
pushed that out from that ability for these

495
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.639
teachers to do that, they legally
cannot do that to these early years of

496
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children. My children do attend public
school, So I guess I'll say it

497
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:39.519
like this. I used to be
a children's protective service investigator and my cousins

498
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:45.800
I was raised in public school and
my cousins were raised in Christian Orthodox homeschooling.

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So I have seen good public school
I have seen awful public schooling.

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I have seen good homeschooling. I
have seen awful old schooling. I have

501
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:09.760
seen parents who do an excellent job
in every respect. My personal, my

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00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:15.119
personal take on this is the Lord
has every had every capacity to save me

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00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.559
out of the lion's mouth, to
save me out of public schooling. Now

504
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.440
that doesn't mean I'm ready to throw
my children to the lions. But I

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00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.239
look at how Scripture talks that Moses
was raised up in the knowledge of the

506
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wisdom of Egypt. He was given
all of their occult knowledge, and yet

507
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.400
he still thought it better to follow
after Christ and to receive the approach of

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Christ than to be exalted in Egypt. I want. I've seen some of

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00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:46.840
my family members who were raised in
this very secluded olmen schooling, kept away

510
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:52.639
from all temptation in their in their
eyes, and they have just gone off.

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They have gone in different directions.
I don't want to It's not my

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job to explain or speak about where
they have gone. But they have gone

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after the world. Is the best
way I could to say it. Even

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though they had been raised in this
tightly orthodox for an upbringing, but when

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they went so they had that throughout
their elementary years, and then when they

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started going into high school college,
they were not prepared. And again I

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am not in any way saying that's
true for all homeschoolers. I know that

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for my family, I have seen
good homeschoolers in my because one of the

519
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.719
one of the constant referrals we would
get would be people who would be concerned

520
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.960
that kids were taking out public school
and putting homeschool in situations, so I

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would have to go out and do
an investigation on are these children actually receiving

522
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.199
a proper education being cared for in
the home? Is there any child abuse

523
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:45.039
their black taking place? And there
were some that were having issue, and

524
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:52.159
there were some that were It's entirely
set to the family. And I will

525
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.840
never war with an individual to divide
on that hill. Is what whether you

526
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.559
go to public school and you send
the children to public school, give praise

527
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to God and study the scripture so
that when your children come and say we

528
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.880
learn evolution today, you can then
that gives you a direct means to take

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00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.960
them to the scripture and say this
is where the Bible or this is where

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the Bible stands, this is what
the Word of God says, this is

531
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what he teaches. Your teachers teach
you this. The Word of God says

532
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.039
this. Whom do we trust?
Proverbs three five through eight tells us trust

533
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.119
the Lord your God with all your
heart and lean not on your own understanding

534
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.800
in all your ways. Acknowledge him, and he will make your past straight,

535
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.800
being out wise in your own eyes. But fear the Lord and turn

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00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.039
away from evil. It will be
nourishment for your bones and refreshment to your

537
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:43.000
flesh. So then that gives me
a direct avenue to place the scripture up

538
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:49.199
against what the world teaches and allow
my children to exercise wisdom. So I

539
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.400
at this time, and I will
also say this, I think I would

540
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:59.280
be an awful school teacher. I
hate to my core. I don't like

541
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.400
school. So I try to sit
there and then tell my children like,

542
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.000
yeah, I need to teach you
mast I need to teach you geoatry Like

543
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.440
I would be awful at it because
I despise it. You know, well,

544
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:14.159
I don't really see elf. Is
he a good homeschooling teacher. So

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00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:15.920
if you home school your children,
give thanks to God that he is giving

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00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.840
you the capacity to home school your
children. If you sign your children to

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public school or any other out of
home school, and give thanks to God

548
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.519
that he has given you the scripture
by which you can still stand and still

549
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:31.440
show your children, And then pray
that he will set his mind and his

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00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:37.239
heart upon them and sanctify them unto
himself, and he will give them wisdom,

551
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.840
though the world will do to everything
it candidate the great answer, and

552
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.599
again there's no I've always said there's
no one magical answer. There's no one

553
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.599
magical elixir for every situation. Everyone
needs to look at you know what they

554
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.800
think is best for their children,
and you obviously well thought out and you're

555
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.960
doing what you think is best for
your children. And amen to that.

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00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.840
My next question, which I like
to ask every guest, is how did

557
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:07.360
you navigate through COVID and how did
it change you as a Christian a truther?

558
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:15.079
And just your thoughts on it.
How I navigated through broad Oh that's

559
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:21.280
an interesting one because my youngest child
was born during COVID. She was born

560
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in thirty three weeks. She was
born premature. We were in the hospitals

561
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for thirty four days in the nick
que we got home and on the eighth

562
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:38.000
day, so actually K five,
I started doing feverish and we all went

563
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:44.280
and got tested and every single member
of my family was positive for COVID on

564
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the eight day, and my daughter
I was downstairs foiling laundry. My boys

565
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were on the back patio and my
wife was upstairs and ursing my daughter,

566
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.760
and she just said words to me
that I've actually had it, because she

567
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:59.119
says this to me sometimes all the
time as we come up here and look

568
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:00.719
at this. I had to tell
her now. I was like, you

569
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.639
can never say those words to me
again, because she said that to me.

570
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.960
And I walked upstairs and she's holding
my daughter wrapless swattom and she says,

571
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does she look okay to use?
And I have I have had for

572
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.599
infant death cases when I worked for
Child Protective Services, so I had I

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00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:25.559
had seen what a an infant corpse
looks like firsthand. I can only testify

574
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.159
you to you, George. My
daughter was gray as action, was not

575
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:36.280
breathing. Ido only by the grace
of God did I stay home in that

576
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:37.800
instance. And I picked my daughter
up from my wife and put her on

577
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:42.119
my shoulder and had her on the
back three times and just said ali,

578
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:49.119
and she just did this little like
like sucking air back into her and she

579
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:54.960
came back to me and I examined
her because she did that. My wife

580
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.960
was like, God, you gave
me this huge stare. I could see

581
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.480
that your schemeless flushed and it was
red. But when she was in the

582
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.039
nicku, she had gone septic before
this, and there was a time where

583
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.119
we were there and there were no
nurses, and this I give praise to

584
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.519
God for this. I can't I
mean not to get off into a tangent.

585
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.760
I'm all while we were in that
hit of being in the nicku,

586
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.119
of how awful of a stay it
was. But at the same time,

587
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:20.480
the Lord never left us in that
pit. There was a time where it

588
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:25.800
was just my wife's and I in
her her room. It all of all

589
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:32.119
of her SATs just tanked immediately,
and there was no nurse coming. All

590
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.480
of the alarms were blaring, everything
was going off. I go into the

591
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.039
hallway and I'm screaming out, is
there somebody you can come save my daughter?

592
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.840
And one of the nurses finally comes
into the room and she was just

593
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.119
this wonderful older lady and she looked
at me and she's like, Dad,

594
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:49.599
I need to go get some things. And I'm admitted, like the way

595
00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:51.960
she stayed caled. She's like,
I need you to start doing this,

596
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.159
and she showed me how to start. She says, your daughter is not

597
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.719
able to breathe down your own and
she needs her chest stimulated. So she

598
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.920
showed me how to do emotion on
her chest to start stimulating her chest so

599
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.840
that she would breathe. And I'm
holding my infant daughter and she's looking at

600
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.559
me and it's this look of confusion
on her face. She's wide away,

601
00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:14.079
but she can't breathe, and so
I'm stimulating her chest to keep her breathing

602
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.639
while they're getting everything set to take
care of her. So fast forward to

603
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.199
this instant. I look at my
daughter, who's now back and has life

604
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.039
in her, but I can immediately
tell her chest isn't rising, her stomach

605
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.400
isn't bulging, she's not breathing,
and she's got that same confused look.

606
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.880
So I tell my wife called one
on one, and I take her into

607
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.519
her chanting table and I'm just stimulating
her chest again to keep her breathing,

608
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:45.119
and I'm talking with the dispatcher and
telling her everything, and the dispatch is

609
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.960
like, how are you staying so
calm? And I wished in that moment

610
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:51.360
I had given praise to God and
say, because the lawyer is with me,

611
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.239
But I had just said because I
had to do this before, and

612
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.400
who but God can put me through
that situation? In a moment where when

613
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.320
it first happens to me, question
in my head is like, why is

614
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.440
this happening right? Because a month
later I'm going to need to use it

615
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.159
where I'm at home and my daughter
can't breathe and there's no nurser around to

616
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.280
care for Who but who but God
can give that wisdom and give that experience

617
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:21.519
and education. So we go in
and we're aiding. My daughter is positive

618
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.119
for COVID. Her lungs are just
racked with it. It's just it's awful,

619
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:30.639
and all of us are positive for
COVID. I'm probably the second worst,

620
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.639
to the point where the question was
were they going to hospitalize me?

621
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.280
But I wasn't going to go allow
that to happen. But I'm there with

622
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:45.400
my what that night in the hospital
and I asked them to get me a

623
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.880
chair so I can lay back and
go to sleep. And I could just

624
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.280
see it on the nursing space as
they kind of looked at each other,

625
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.199
and I already knew it was going
to happen. And they eventually came back

626
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.920
and they told me it was like, we're not going to kick you out

627
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.559
when you are not allowed to stay
there could only be one person in the

628
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:10.880
room with your daughter because it was
COVID isolation, right, And I,

629
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.960
my wife and I didn't really have
a conversation. Was just kind of agreed

630
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:20.280
upon without any words, that she
would be the woe that were to stay.

631
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.599
She wanted to, I wanted to, but I wasn't going to force

632
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:30.159
out and I had to walk out
of that room that night and not know

633
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.559
where if I'd ever seen my daughter
again. It's a long story short.

634
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.559
We were in there for another fifty
three days. She listened to medically induced

635
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:49.400
coma for a month on a ventilator. Codd once when they extabated her and

636
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.960
they didn't give her the steroid to
keep her throat from arm to keep her

637
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:58.039
throat from swelling closed after the excubation, and they basically had to force a

638
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.880
tube down in her again and do
an emergency intubation again. The entire time

639
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.599
the Lord was with us there,
she had to have at one point she

640
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.960
had to have chest tubs put in
because her lung had popped. There was

641
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:17.360
a hole in her lung and they
were going to they had excavated her and

642
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.400
they had put the camera orders.
But it basically looks like a space mass.

643
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:22.119
I can't remember what the name of
it is. And they put her

644
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.280
on that, but that wasn't helping
her. She wasn't getting oxygen because she

645
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:29.639
had gotten the whole her along and
they were going to reintubate her on a

646
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:32.480
Thursday, and the doctor had walked
into the room. He had everybody in

647
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.239
their scrubs, everybody in the ante
chamber ready to go, and he walked

648
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.920
in the room for one last look
and he his worstle and my wife were

649
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.400
her reading just got better. And
praise be to God that that happened,

650
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.519
because that Saturday, so this is
the Saturday after I had been kicked out,

651
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:53.039
So Sunday had been kicked out,
and she'd been in the whole week.

652
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:57.519
That Thursday they were going to reintubate
her, and they were, but

653
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.519
that Saturday they my wife was found
on the bathroom floor basically just crying and

654
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.480
a heap, in a fit because
it was exhausted. She had COVID herself,

655
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.360
She had no access to anyone,
she wasn't allowed to leave the room,

656
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:13.000
and she's it was just it was
mentally just devastating to her. And

657
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.480
they finally got the doctor to say, like I did fermis. She for

658
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.360
my husband to come in today to
see the family. And I had even

659
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.519
asked my wife this is to say
come in and say you're a device.

660
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.039
Then she's like, no, this
is come in and help your wife,

661
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.280
because she's like this is this is
killing It was crushing me. Oh sure,

662
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.199
And so I come in that Saturday
and I'm sitting in the parking lot

663
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.000
and the whole time I'm driving and
I just have this sinking dread like slowing

664
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.079
over me. I had no reason
to. They told me that my daughter

665
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.159
had been doing good. They told
me that this wasn't a goodbye thing,

666
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.880
so it was just coming and you
know, help give your wife some relief

667
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.440
and things like that. They were
going to let her go home and wash

668
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.880
and take a shower and get a
break. And I was going to stay

669
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.159
through that Saturday. And she didn't
come back later that and I like they

670
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:06.039
would finally like being a little more
mean. And I'm sitting in the parking

671
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:07.599
lot and I'm just sitting there for
like five minutes and I didn't know why.

672
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.159
I was like, I don't know
why I'm fearing this dread. And

673
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.000
my wife calls him. She's like, where are you like I'm in the

674
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:15.960
parking lot when I'm just sitting in
here, and she's just like, you

675
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.800
need to get up here now.
And I just like my heart sank,

676
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:23.440
and I run up and get in
the elevator and I go to the floor

677
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:28.519
and I go into the war and
there's just everyone's in there COVID gear and

678
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.320
they're running around. And I walk
into the room and the doctor media who

679
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:37.519
looks at me, and he says
to me, I need to intubate your

680
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.880
daughter. She has a hole in
her lung. I cannot intubate her without

681
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.920
chilling her because if I put the
if I put the tube in her and

682
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.480
blow air and t were long,
it will just blow open the hole even

683
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.000
further and I will brush her heart. He said. As the same time

684
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.000
that I intubate her, I have
to also put chest tubes in to draw

685
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.519
the air out of her chest.
He says. I I've done both of

686
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.639
these procedures individually. I've never done
them at the same time. I'm going

687
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.559
to do everything I can. And
I said, I have prayed for you

688
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.480
to have wisdom and that the hands
of God would be your hands. Please

689
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.519
door save my daughter. And I'm
sitting there and he and two nurses are

690
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.119
working on my daughter, and my
wife's sitting next to me and she's texting

691
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.679
her mom, and I'm just I've
got my arm around her and I'm reading.

692
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.280
I just I glanced over and saw
her text and she basically the texted

693
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.920
her mom is like, I feel
like I'm dying inside right now. And

694
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.440
I just had this moment of like, why don't I feel that way?

695
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.719
And it was because the Lord was
giving me a peace that I could not

696
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.440
understand. And again, long story
short, the procedure work. He got

697
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:45.719
the chest tubes in and the intubation
going, so it was measured out so

698
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:49.239
that he wasn't blowing the hole any
larger. My daughter was able to start

699
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.960
rereading clearly again, and they were
able to start draining the excess air out

700
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:59.800
of her chest. It was just
this continuous dance of your daughter has no

701
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:06.440
how the doctor said it. Your
daughter has no strength. We have no

702
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:12.239
ability and medication to do anything proactively. We just we can only react.

703
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.679
There's nothing we can do for her. My wife and I had no strength

704
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.840
to stop any of this. The
only one that was saving my daughter was

705
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:27.400
Christ. So we're there for another
fifty three days all this is going on.

706
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:32.039
She codes at one point, but
we end up getting out of it,

707
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.599
and my wife is just adamant,
like I want to get some shot,

708
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.320
or not shot, but a COVID
shot. I want to get a

709
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.000
COVID shot for my daughter. And
I was really struggling with as everything was

710
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.119
going on COVID at this time,
and everybody was a lot of my friends

711
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:47.199
were basically like, we won't take
the shot, we won't do anything like

712
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:52.239
that. And I had to go
to First Corinthians and I had to recognize

713
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:58.320
that if an individual wanted to wear
a mask, let them wear a mask

714
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.360
and give thanks to God for the
mask that can in their eyes, but

715
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.320
that God had given them that as
a protection. If somebody wanted to take

716
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.920
the booster shot to protect themselves,
let them take the booster shot to protect

717
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:13.159
themselves, and give praise to God
that he had given that medical advance that

718
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.239
that they could it can ingivied.
You wanted to abstain from having a mask,

719
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.679
let them give praise to God that
they have no needs for a masking.

720
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.719
If somebody wanted to not take a
shot, let them give thanks to

721
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.199
God that they have faith enough not
to take that shot. Whatever you do,

722
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.679
give thanks to God. Whether you're
abstaining, give thanks to God that

723
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.480
you could abstain, Whether you partake, give thanks to God that you can

724
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:39.360
partake. I took the initial shot
for the sake of my wife and her

725
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:44.079
mental well being. I am no
better else since I took it. I

726
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.199
have no better offer if I didn't
take it. It was entirely for the

727
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:53.800
well being of my wife mental She
had hope that this would be efficacious for

728
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:59.239
my daughter. My hope was in
Christ. I know that this shot has

729
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.519
no effect on me. I will. I know there's a lot of fear

730
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.480
that like these things will do things
to your DNA stuff. I will die

731
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.840
the day that Christ calls me to
die. No one in this world dies

732
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:15.599
before without the Lord's cassette, without
the Lord's perission. I will die the

733
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.760
day that she tells me when I
die. I'm not concerned in regards to

734
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.639
what effects it's going to have on
me, because if it has any effects

735
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.079
on me, it's entirely because the
Lord allows it. So I will not

736
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.559
war with an individual over whether they
want to get a shot or a booster,

737
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.519
or wear a mask, or if
they don't here's the thing. If

738
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:37.039
I have an individual, my job
is to go forth and to preach the

739
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.320
Gospel and to give the good news. If I have an individual who will

740
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.679
not even talk to me because I'm
not wearing a mask, I will put

741
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:50.360
on a mask because what's more important
is to not give offense in anything.

742
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.519
Because the Gospel is the most offensive
thing to the world, because you're telling

743
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.840
the world that its deeds are evil. So therefore I will put on the

744
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.480
mask in order that I may have
that conversation with an INDIVI if an individual

745
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:04.840
would sit there and you know,
to cry me and say you're wearing a

746
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.320
mask, I can remove the mask
because a mask has no efficacy. It

747
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.519
is God who sustains me. Whether
I wear a mask, whether I get

748
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.880
a shot or I don't, it
is entirely the Lord's prerogative what happens for

749
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:21.280
me. My job is to be
offensive in nothing, because the Jospel is

750
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:25.360
worth sentence. Man, Wow,
what an incredible story. And I'm looking

751
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.760
at your picture here on zoom.
You're holding your your your little girl so

752
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:38.760
as she's beautiful and your old family
is and just man, that's an incredible

753
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:43.079
story. And I can't imagine you
said it was fifty three days you had

754
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.800
to dure that in total, between
the nick you and the pick you,

755
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.679
it was eighty seven days. Eighty
wow. And with all that with COVID

756
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.800
going on at the same time,
just I can't imagine. But you know

757
00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:00.519
what they say, these type of
things make you stronger and just a credible

758
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.480
story. Gee, I don't even
know where to go from there, but

759
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.880
I'm just going to go in the
order I have my notes because you had

760
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.920
mentioned the NDA of two thousand and
nine, and I think there's a lot

761
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:15.239
of people who don't understand anytime that
there's these omnibuses that they always stuff them

762
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:21.800
with what they call pork. And
in twenty twelve with the NDAA was the

763
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:30.119
Smith Modernization Act, and that really
is what allowed the United States to legally

764
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.239
push propaganda down our throats. And
there's a great article from twenty thirteen I

765
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:40.079
think that talks about how the US
government funded domestic propaganda has officially hit the

766
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:46.239
airwaves. It's really interesting, and
this is something that's been harder for me

767
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:51.000
to wrap my head around as I've
gotten older and further away from my time

768
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.840
in the military. Is you know, we claim to be one nation under

769
00:55:53.880 --> 00:56:00.679
God. But when you stand back
under a microscope, I can't imagine as

770
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.599
a government. I guess not the
people. It's just like yourself. There's

771
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.280
so many wonderful people in this country, and it's amazing. It's almost like

772
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.000
when you see two dysfunctional parents,
but the children turns out really well.

773
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.480
I think that's what the people of
this country are. Because we have a

774
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:20.760
very evil government that lies, steals, and kills, yet we have so

775
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:24.519
many wonderful Americans. How do you, as an American look at where we

776
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:30.119
are today as a society. Well, my question always as first is we

777
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.679
have to define the terms. So
I asked which God's That has been my

778
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.079
mantra lately. It says one nation
under God? But who exactly is that

779
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:42.760
right? And I would testify to
you scripture in Matthew seven of the Lord

780
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.000
tells us, and you will know
them by their fruits. For out of

781
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.599
the abundance of the heart, the
mouth speaks the good man, out of

782
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.039
the goodness of this heart will speak
goodness. But the evil man, out

783
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.719
of the evil of this heart,
will speak evil. So if you're seeing

784
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:59.960
a government that is speaking and acting
in an articular way, you can disserve

785
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.000
who that God is of theirs there, God is Lucifer, It's it's not

786
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.199
Christ. So they're one nation under
the devil. And so I mean,

787
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:13.559
even when I hear people say God
bless America, they don't actually recognize what

788
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.039
the scripture says is that America is
not blessed. America is under judgment already.

789
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:22.000
Judgment's not coming. Judgment is here. God has given mankind over to

790
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:24.920
their luss. He has took his
restraining hand off of the American people,

791
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:30.199
and he has allowed them to fornicate
and go after all the wickedness that they

792
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:35.079
desire. It's exactly what Romans one
too or one teaches is that his wrath

793
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.960
is the removal of his restraint,
and he gives them over to the self

794
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:46.199
destruction of their flesh. America's God
is the devil, and they are running

795
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:52.840
headlong after him. I am a
citizen of the Kingdom of God. I

796
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:55.960
am a slave of Jesus Christ.
I live in exile in America and in

797
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.639
the flesh. I am an American
citizen. But as Hebrews eleven teaches me,

798
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:06.239
I look forward to a city that
is built by God, to a

799
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.000
kingdom in a nation that comes from
God, not built by hands of men,

800
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:13.960
but built by the spirit of God. This is not my home.

801
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:19.519
I am on a pilgrimage. I
am in exile. I have a roof

802
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:27.360
over my head here, but my
home is in Christ. Great answer.

803
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.079
That may be the best answer I've
ever gotten, And that's something I'm only

804
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.239
compartmentalized, or not compartmentalized, but
put in my back pocket. And that

805
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:43.760
is something that will help me kind
of get through my thinking and my past

806
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:46.679
as I think about something that I
put so much of my time and effort

807
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:51.840
in for twenty four years. As
I was here and you talk, as

808
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:55.400
you were going through high school and
all these things, I started doing the

809
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.119
math and I realized you were like
a nineties kid, right teenage years in

810
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.760
the nineties, and that was really
a time when even in pro wrestling,

811
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.840
the good guys or the bad guys
were looked upon as the good guys.

812
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.400
And I always mentioned that nine to
eleven was really them saying that, you

813
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.440
know, we're not hiding this cevil
anymore. But when you go back and

814
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.000
look at the nineties, I think
they were already starting to show their cards

815
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:25.679
when like being like, look at
Beavis and butt Head and all these other

816
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.360
things. These things were champion.
Do you think that had any part of

817
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:34.159
it to do with your your kind
of the way of life? Oh yeah,

818
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.880
I was a huge fan of the
attitude era of Www. E.

819
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.840
Stone Cold Steve Austin Austin three sixteen
says, I just wit your You know

820
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.199
I had hurt John three sixteen,
But I can tell you I never I

821
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.079
never knew what he was doing with
that. I'd even seen it when he

822
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.920
was there at King of the Ring
and he was standing up and he was

823
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.760
saying to Jake to say in some
your Bible news preacher John three sixteen.

824
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.800
Well, Austin three sixteen says,
I just and I was like I knew

825
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.239
even as a kid what he had
said was wrong, but it was so

826
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.159
cool. It was so cool that
he said something that was wrong and got

827
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.760
away with it and was just going
after it. And he in The Rock

828
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.440
like in all I in all honesty, like The Rock was my first real

829
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.679
idol. Austin was awesome and I
loved him, but The Rock was my

830
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.960
first real idol because he was just
so charismatic and classy and just dominated every

831
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:28.000
situation. And I really wanted to
emulate him because I was a very nerdy

832
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.039
kid. I was a very very
tall, all skinned kid, and I

833
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:36.639
had no confidence, and I was
I wanted to be like him, and

834
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:42.159
then every like I said for me
more so it was role playing. I

835
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.719
was a I was a tabletop role
player. I I went so up until

836
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.960
fifth grade when I was I was
the recipient of that gang initiation beat.

837
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.480
Now, I had wanted to be
a football player. I had wanted I

838
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.840
had wanted to be a ride receiver. I was huge into the San Francisco

839
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.719
forty nine ers. Jerry Rice and
Steve Yarn were like my biggest idols at

840
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.920
that time. And we were doing
fifth versus sixth graders on the softball field

841
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.719
and I caught the game winning touchdown
and I was just so elated. And

842
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:12.840
then immediately one of the sixth graders, right is the bell wrong? We

843
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.639
won the game. At the end
of recess, right is the bell wrong?

844
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.360
One of the sixth graders came over
and kicked my legs out from under

845
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:22.840
me and sat on top of me
and just started, it's so infantile now,

846
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.880
but started saying, justin say,
sixth graders, rule of fifth grader's

847
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:31.199
drool and I was like five fifth
or sixth graders a little fifth graders drool,

848
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.599
and he got up. But right
about that time, two other sixth

849
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.239
graders, random and playing with us, came out with the field and they

850
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.599
started pretending like they were helping me
up, and they were like, hey,

851
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:45.519
man, you know, it's okay, good game, and everything like

852
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.679
that. And our high school was
kitty corner from our elementary school and right

853
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:55.000
across the street from our softball field. And I was really confused because I

854
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.400
didn't know, really I knew who
these two guys were, but I never

855
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.960
interacted with them, and I didn't
know why they were there. And I

856
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.639
could hear commotion behind me at the
softball fans, and I looked and there

857
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.800
were like five or six high schoolers
and they just pointed to me and they

858
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:13.159
said beat him. And they proceeded
to just stop me into the dirt.

859
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:19.159
And at that point everything I had
previous loved, previously loved like just went

860
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.559
away. Because the very next day, my mom went through a really big

861
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.119
issue of whether or not she was
going to press charges, and one of

862
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.800
these kids, mom begged her to
press charges against them because he had already

863
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.840
broken the second grader's hour, and
she was pregnant with a new born,

864
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.880
and she was afraid for her and
her child that he would do something to

865
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.920
them. So my mom ended up
pressing charges against him. And I went

866
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:45.159
out to the softball field the next
date to play football, which was my

867
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.920
life, which is exactly what I
wanted to do. It was everything.

868
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:51.239
I loved it. All my friends
were there, and so was one of

869
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:53.159
my abusers, and he looked at
me as I walked out, and he

870
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.880
says, oh, sorry, guys, I can't play with you otherwise Alan

871
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:00.320
Boss's marble call the cops on me, and all of them laughed at me.

872
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:06.480
Everyone I thought was my friend,
they all laughed at me, and

873
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:08.599
I don't know to this day where
I went or what I did. I

874
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:13.079
splacked out and I walked away,
And that was really one of those moments

875
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:19.199
where I just the hatred started like
building me in this desire to never be

876
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.280
gotten over on again. I didn't
want anyone to ever do that to me

877
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:30.079
again, and I started really I
ended up finding more of a kind of

878
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.519
an outsider group of friends who were, you know, just the nerd gossip

879
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.119
kids and things like that. Got
into Vampire, the Master Rate. It

880
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:44.280
just really fell into this love the
demonic in the Satanic and the power that

881
01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:49.800
it could give you, and the
occultism in all of this dark demonology.

882
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:58.239
And I will get praise to God
in that he he always put restraints in

883
01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:01.239
my path, things to stop me. Always just this nonmenal Christianity that kept

884
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.480
me back from it. But you're
absolutely right. The Nines was seating everything

885
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:10.599
and I was going headlong to evil. I was loving it. And even

886
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:14.159
back then, like as I said
earlier, like serial killers were, they

887
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.480
were kind of like cult heroes.
They were kind of like well not cull

888
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.480
infamous, you know, and you
could get you could buy books on them

889
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.880
that would just give you information all
over them. They were always documentaries,

890
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.960
Dateline, MSNBC and all these things
would always do all of these like expose

891
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:31.880
as on them, and they would
just make them so infamous. And there

892
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.760
was this, uh do you ever
hear of the iceman Richard good Klinsky?

893
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:42.280
Sure, I remember watching his HBO
specials, and that was I was even

894
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:46.880
in the early two thousands. But
he was just so calm about the evil

895
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:50.000
that he was doing, and I
was just erhaps you buy it. I

896
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:55.719
was so captivated by it. I
was like, that is a man that

897
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:00.159
no one can do anything to.
And I I will testify to you this

898
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.719
day that had God not put restraining
me, I would have got the wrong

899
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:09.199
way. I would have become a
murderer. And I know, I don't

900
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.639
say that in any sort of embellishment, because everything that I wanted to do

901
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.760
was an evil. I wanted to
do harm to people and get away with

902
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:21.880
it. The only thing that stopped
me was I had this sense that had

903
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:28.000
been placed in me as a kid
that I would be judged. It wasn't

904
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:31.119
really even a conscious thought, it
was just there, you know. So,

905
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:34.960
Yeah, the nineties were definitely deep
into that. Yeah, and it

906
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:38.880
really a culminated in ninety nine.
I'm doing the math. I'm figuring you

907
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:43.719
would have been probably a freshman or
sophomore when when Columbine happened. How did

908
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:53.920
that affect you? Watched it on
television and was not in any way polled

909
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:59.960
by it, To my shame,
I remember watching that kid getting pulled out

910
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.719
out of the window of the second
story by the swat team. Yeah,

911
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.920
and he's just covered in blood.
And my response to it was not in

912
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:11.599
any way revulsion. I was not
upset. I was doing I wanted to

913
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.440
see video of them killing. I
wanted to see Cleveld and Harris killed her

914
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:26.239
people. I was searching for it
everywhere I could. I I they never

915
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:32.400
really became idols to me because they
were it was so like locked down at

916
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.239
that time, like as much as
as much publicity as they got, there

917
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.280
wasn't a ton that was revealed,
or at least me at that age back

918
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:44.239
of five, right, but there
was. I would I would say my

919
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:48.440
re response was not the kind of
response that shouldn't have happened. It was

920
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:55.280
wrong. Sure, and again,
it's amazing to hear your story and to

921
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.719
where you are today, it is
quite amazing. In the nineties, you

922
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:01.039
know, I was kinda missed the
second half of the nineties because I was

923
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:04.280
in the military. But in retrospect
it, like I said, I've been

924
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.840
looking at it recently, you could
kind of see where things got a little

925
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:11.199
dark. And that's when everybody had
the black hair and the jeans and the

926
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.400
con and you know, the music
changed, everything became you know, I

927
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.239
felt like that's when we lost our
smile to a certain extent, you know

928
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:23.920
what I mean. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, break stuff from Limbiscuit

929
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:28.880
was just it was an anthem.
Yeah, there you were when those Woodstock

930
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.639
in the nineties, I can't remember
what that when they when they basically started

931
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:35.480
a riot like it just it was
it was this sense and this idea that

932
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:41.039
like evil gave you control. Yeah, it gave you pop, Like you

933
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:47.400
could just move an entire crowd to
riot by just your words. And I

934
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:51.519
remember watching clips of it and it
was just a sea of people undulating like

935
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:57.880
waves. It was just so amazing. And then to know that they were

936
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.639
going and then they started burning things
down like that was where my mind was.

937
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.199
I didn't I didn't look at these
things and say, man, that's

938
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:09.559
wrong. I looked at these things
and that's power, that's awesome. Like

939
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:12.559
that's where I was for Christ,
That's who I was, and that's what

940
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.719
I wanted. So yeah, I
was definitely a product of the nineties.

941
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:19.680
You know, I was named you
know Korn. I never got really I

942
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:24.239
think slip Knot was probably about it. I never got into what were they

943
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:29.000
call land God or the other system
of the down. Oh no, I

944
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:32.840
was making the system of doubt.
Yeah, but I mean you could just

945
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.640
you could open my CD my CD
book, and I had all of those,

946
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:40.159
sure, all of them there and
everything like that. And you I

947
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.800
never really listened to the lyrics other
than, you know, to hear the

948
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.600
evil of them. You know,
five finger death Punch in the two thousand

949
01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:51.640
was near the end. Uh,
Jacky and Hyde, I've got a demon

950
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:56.760
inside like that. I love that
song. I loved fighting that song.

951
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:01.920
Marilyn Manson's New s was my was
my intro music for m M A.

952
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:06.199
I walked out to it, this
is the new blank. I'm not gonna

953
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:11.880
his words like that. Is it
just it lit a fire inside it not

954
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:17.279
me emotionally, and just it filled
you with this desire for power. There

955
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.760
you go. Uh do you attend
the church? Yes? They do?

956
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:27.039
Oh good? Is it not?
Is it denomination? Tell us a little

957
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:30.199
bit about it? How I go
ahead? Sorry? What? No?

958
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:36.079
No? No go things they're there. Presbyterian. I believe I am.

959
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.439
I'm a non denominatory. I'm a
non denominat national Christian. I am just

960
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.399
a Christian and I'm a slave of
Jesus Christ. First Rinthians three teaches me

961
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:49.760
that I am not to divide with
other teachers. I'm not going to name

962
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:54.319
myself after John Calvin. I'm not
going to name myself after Martin Luther.

963
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.199
My teacher is Jesus Christ, who
is God who teaches me. So I

964
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:01.680
am a Christian and nothing or I
don't need to be an anymore, but

965
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:08.199
I would The church that I attend, though they are associated with the Presbyterian

966
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:12.359
Church, they are, they're teaching, They're generally non denomination good. That's

967
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.000
great because fellowship is important and being
around like minded people is extremely important,

968
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:21.159
especially in these times. As as
things begin to it seems like I get's

969
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.680
a little more difficult every day.
It's great to have people to lean on

970
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:30.840
who are like minded and follow Jesus
Christ. Absolutely something that has UH that's

971
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.439
on my mind a lot. It's
it's again, it's one I try not

972
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.760
to dwell on things we can't control. At the same time, I think

973
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:45.479
I do believe NASA is very evil
and is part of UH. You know.

974
01:10:46.079 --> 01:10:49.760
I always say they're continuing the mission
of Nimrod. I think it's that

975
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:54.159
they play that they're just you know, going into outer space and things.

976
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.880
But I honestly believe that they're doing
things UH in Antarctica and around the world

977
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.960
trying you know, going back dominic, do you ever think about these things

978
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:11.000
or well, do I think so? I guess I should have phrased it

979
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:15.479
better. I think NASA is one
of their primary missions in real life is

980
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:19.319
to try to overthrow God, even
though we know they can't. I have

981
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:25.119
a hard time once again swallowing the
fact that we print money for these people

982
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:29.760
every day, and their mission is
to try to overthrow God and to deceive

983
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:34.760
our fellow brothers and sisters. Uh, not here but around the world because

984
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:41.800
we know, as we like,
we'll use biblical cosmologists. That helio centrism

985
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.159
I call is, you know,
I equate with evolution and the Big Bang

986
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.680
and helio centrism. These are three
things that they use to hide God.

987
01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:53.920
So I used to be dismissive of
it. But the more I think about

988
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.960
it, the more upset I get
that they teach our children. I go

989
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:03.000
back to the your children go to
church for two hours and then they're spread

990
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.760
the theory of evolution and everything else. It's it's a battle. It's a

991
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.039
constant battle. And again, you
can't overprotect your child. At the same

992
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.319
time, part of me like,
what there's actually down by you? There

993
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.079
was a guy who stood up to
a city council and said that NASA should

994
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:24.399
be audited to go after them.
But again, nine of the people will

995
01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.680
stand by and roll their eyes.
Oh this silly guy. But what's your

996
01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:32.760
take on NASA and what they're really
trying to do. Yeah, I'm right

997
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:35.000
there in line with you, So
I actually think you stated it well.

998
01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:40.359
All of these things, as much
as they are doing them there, their

999
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.640
desire is personally foremost to overthrow God, because just as I mean Christ is,

1000
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:49.880
he is the ciper, He's the
key to the cipher of every single

1001
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:56.880
conspiracy theory, the Federal Reserve,
builder, Bird, NASA, all of

1002
01:12:56.920 --> 01:13:00.640
these things, every single one.
When you put in Christ, every single

1003
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:08.279
Domino fauls, every single Domino is
lands to deny him. NASA's entire purpose

1004
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:14.000
is to lead men to a materialistic
worldview, to keep our eyes on the

1005
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:18.359
material instead of allowing the eyes of
our hearts to be enlightened by the knowledge

1006
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.840
and the wisdom of God and the
faith of Christ Jesus. NASA is doing

1007
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:28.159
exactly what you said. They are
leading our brothers and sisters into unbelief and

1008
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.520
drawing them astray from the spiritual of
the scripture to the natural material of this

1009
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:39.560
world, because they want us focus
and fixated on the treasures of this world

1010
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:45.479
which have no power to save.
So yeah, I actually one hundred percent

1011
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:49.520
agree. Awesome And for me,
the two things I always keep it in

1012
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:54.560
my truck. I keep devotionals tracks, the old school Christian tracks, and

1013
01:13:54.880 --> 01:14:00.000
a few Bibles. But I also
carry around some flat earth stuff Biblical costmology,

1014
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.039
and those are the two things that
yelder, I get the easier for

1015
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:08.119
it. I have no problem welcome
up to complete strangers and striking up a

1016
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:14.840
conversation. Have you had any luck
obviously as a disciple of Christ, you're

1017
01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:19.399
out and about spreading the gospel?
How do you approach spreading the Gospel?

1018
01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:26.239
And how do you approach sharing the
knowledge of biblical cosmology? Obviously they go

1019
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.600
hand in hand. Just I'll give
you the opportunity to speak on that.

1020
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:34.600
No, you're fine, I'm just
I'm just a believer. That I just

1021
01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:38.720
stated it is that I will tell
people as like the earth is flat,

1022
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.800
and then like after they get over
that stunned moment, people though they generally

1023
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:47.239
and I could praise God for this
is I think what He allowed me to

1024
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.319
do in the year is that I
was full of all that hatred. Confrontation

1025
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:57.439
doesn't bother me. I absolutely thrive
and love confrontation. I love a good

1026
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:00.960
debate. I love a good physical
confrontation. Not that I'm saying I want

1027
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.399
these discussions. Whoever end up in
a physical conversation, but it has taking

1028
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:10.479
that steer out of me. So
I will just flat out state and no

1029
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.399
punt intended that the Earth is flat, the sea is level, there is

1030
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:21.520
no horizon. I will I will
discuss that to a point with individuals.

1031
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.600
But because there is no salvation in
knowing the earth is flat, it is

1032
01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.760
less concerning to me in regards to
the gospel. There are those who I

1033
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:35.319
know who believe in the heliocentric model, who are still saved to eternal life

1034
01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:39.000
now right, So they will come
out to the truth, but they will

1035
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:43.800
then will not save them, right. And it's more so interesting to me

1036
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:46.439
because when I really started digging into
flat Earth and saw like you get like

1037
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:53.720
Eddie Bravo, and you'd get like
Dave Weiss and others who would be confronted

1038
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:56.960
with the direct questions, it was
always the ones that would always sump them,

1039
01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:01.000
are why the lie and what about
God basically and why the lie is

1040
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:05.159
very simple. It's it's the most
cliche answer aside from the fifty or seventy

1041
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:09.600
million a day, which everyone doesn't
want to talk about God will talk about.

1042
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:14.760
What the answer is. The lie
is to deny Jesus Christ because if

1043
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:19.399
the Earth is proven to be flat
inside of a terrarium, basically there must

1044
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:27.840
you must infer created it's turning.
Must it's And once you recognize the Earth

1045
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.399
is flat and not a globe spinning
in space, our space goes away.

1046
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:35.640
The Big Bang goes away, Now
evolution goes away. They all fall when

1047
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:42.479
this foundational lie goes away, every
single one, because once the Earth is

1048
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.159
no longer a globe spinning in space, the space isn't what they tell you.

1049
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:46.039
And afore, if you don't have
space, you don't have the Big

1050
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.319
Bag. If you don't have the
Big Bang, you don't have Evolution.

1051
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:55.880
Flatters destroys all of that. And
this is just I'm sorry, go ahead,

1052
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:59.560
I thought you were done. No, but we brought into this issue

1053
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:02.920
where we get to we get individuals
to the point of, okay, all

1054
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.840
of this is a lie. But
then we ask the royal question of what

1055
01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:12.439
is the truth, the actual correct
question, because that's actually what Piot asked

1056
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:15.479
Christ to this crucifixiate. What is
truth? The answer is not what,

1057
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:21.159
but who? Who is truth?
Jesus Christ in John fourteen six says,

1058
01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:25.000
I'm the way, I am the
truth. I am the lis. No

1059
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.720
one compass to Sawther butts through me. So when we talk about truth,

1060
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:34.319
and when Romans one eighteen tells us
that in unrighteousness, the ungodly suppressed the

1061
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:39.399
truth, it's not that they're suppressing
Flatter, It's not that they're suppressing nine

1062
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.880
to eleven. It's not that they're
suppressing what they're doing at NASA or with

1063
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:46.680
the Bilderberg organization or with the Federal
Reserve, and is things. The truth

1064
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:55.479
they are suppressing is who is Jesus
Christ. And so they do that by

1065
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.039
all these various means. Because when
I run, I running into a lot

1066
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:05.319
of my Christian brothers who they are
stuck in this conspiracy mindset. And I

1067
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:09.199
will testify that I was there early
on in my walk as well, because

1068
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:14.359
I was a critical thinker before I
was a Christian, and I started seeing

1069
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:16.760
once I knew that Christ was true, and I started seeing how all of

1070
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.720
these lies were being built up.
I was building an idol in my heart

1071
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:27.640
of hatred. I was spending more
time hating the kingdom of the Devil,

1072
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:31.640
focusing and fixating on the evil that
he is doing, than I was on

1073
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.600
actually studying the word of my God
and loving him and the gifts that has

1074
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:42.399
been given. Unto me, It's
actually a very insidious deception because the enemy

1075
01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:46.000
doesn't care if you hate him.
He doesn't care that you're looking at him

1076
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:50.520
and exposing everything he's doing in the
material. He cares that you do not

1077
01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:59.840
look at or acknowledge Jesus Christ and
the Spirit spot on. Well done.

1078
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:01.680
We are down to our last ten
minutes. So I want to give you

1079
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.880
the opportunity if there's any other bullet
points that you had light up that you

1080
01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:10.159
wanted to express to our listeners.
Now'd be a great opportunity to do that.

1081
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:17.319
Yeah. So basically it runs down
to this is when we come,

1082
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:23.199
when we come to a knowledge of
the truth or fact in regards to Flatter

1083
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.119
and we run into these issues where
you get men like Dave Wise and praise

1084
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.600
me to God for what he's doing
and revealing in these interviews and these debates

1085
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:34.479
with individuals that to Earth is not
what they say it is. But he

1086
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:39.880
always comes to this point where individuals
Addie Brow did it, others do it,

1087
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:43.560
where they come to this point where
they will be confronted with the discussion

1088
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:47.439
about God. Because again, once
you start recognizing that the flat the earth

1089
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.079
is flat, and it is not
what they tell us in space is not

1090
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:54.880
what they tell us, you must
infer a creator. You must have that

1091
01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.319
presupposition. It just happens because you
recognize you are in a created system.

1092
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.359
And then they will be confronted with
that question, and then they always basically

1093
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:08.439
throw up their hands and say,
well, boo, I'm not saying God,

1094
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:13.520
you do without what you want.
And that baffles me when I hear

1095
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:19.600
that, because if I look at
a table and I recognize all of the

1096
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:27.920
dimensions of the table and realize that
this table was created, the truth is

1097
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.680
not in the table. I can
recognize facts about that table, I can

1098
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:38.840
acknowledge different aspects of its design,
but the table receives no honor. It

1099
01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:43.119
is the one who made the table. So it it's again, it's so

1100
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.319
the devil is willing to allow us
to go to this point of you can

1101
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:50.119
know that I've been lying to you. You can know that the earth is

1102
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:55.119
flat, you can start doing all
these things. He doesn't care if you

1103
01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:59.079
know that, so long as you
fall into Deism, so long as you

1104
01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:01.439
go into Buddhism, so long as
you go into Hinduism, or you start

1105
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:06.600
going to New Age theology, or
start believing in these or you start diving

1106
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.640
into these dimensional beings. Because the
next question is, well, then if

1107
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:13.079
space is are real, what are
aliens? Well, they're demons. So

1108
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:17.600
then you just start dying adadlong to
all of this study on demonology and ayahuasca

1109
01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:23.119
and how men are interacting with these
things all the while I'm not looking at

1110
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:29.600
Christ, I'm looking everywhere else.
Right, So well is allowing us to

1111
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:34.840
call ourselves truthers. The true truthers
are Christians because Jesus Christ is the truth.

1112
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:38.439
If you want to be a truth
or you must be a Christian.

1113
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.840
Jesus Christ, as I am the
truth, he either is right or he

1114
01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:48.239
is wrong. If he is right, then all who are truthers are Christians.

1115
01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:56.159
And so we get to this point
where we get all of this knowledge.

1116
01:21:56.279 --> 01:22:00.159
But this knowledge, as Scripcher says, knowledge without love puffs up what

1117
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:04.279
love verse John fourth eight and sixteen
tells us that God is love. So

1118
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:08.960
if I have knowledge, but I
do not have love, who is God?

1119
01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:14.399
I am puffed up. I am
exalting myself in my own wisdom wisdom

1120
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:16.279
of the world, and thinking I'm
wiser than I actually am. And scripture

1121
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.560
tells me that God traps the wise
in the roty seat. He destroys them

1122
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:27.119
by it. He has made foolish
the wisdom of this world. So let

1123
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.520
any of you who were desired to
be wise become a fool in this world.

1124
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:35.840
As first Corictius three eighteen, I
must instead seek the wisdom of God,

1125
01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:40.119
which is Jesus Christ. James one
to five tells me, if any

1126
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:44.560
of you lacks wisdom, let him
ask. God gives abundantly to all who

1127
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:48.479
ask without reproach. But let him
ask in faith without doubting. For the

1128
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:53.119
one who doubts is like a weighty
tossed by the wind. He is out

1129
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:56.199
the stable in all his ways.
He must not believe that he will receive

1130
01:22:56.800 --> 01:23:00.800
anything from God. Now, if
I apply that, as the car world

1131
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:04.600
teaches me, I'm looking for worldly
wisdom, wisdom about materie of things.

1132
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:10.840
But if into the study of Scripture. First Corinthians one on twenty four and

1133
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:15.880
thirty teaches me that Jesus Christ is
the wisdom of God. So James one

1134
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.920
to five is actually telling me,
if any of you lacks Jesus Christ,

1135
01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:27.640
let him acts God, and he
will give him to you abundantly without reproch.

1136
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.960
And so when you have these have
this knowledge of the flat earth,

1137
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:35.239
that's wonderful. That is a tool
to go forward recognize and dismantle all the

1138
01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:40.119
lives of the devil. But it
must lead to the truth. Flat earth

1139
01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:44.079
is not the truth. Christ is
the truth. Flat Earth is a fact.

1140
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:49.279
Biblical cosmology is a fact. But
the fact must come to the logical

1141
01:23:49.319 --> 01:23:56.119
conclusion of God. Otherwise it is
a dissection that will destroy to you in

1142
01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:59.920
your own pride and arrogance. It
can do it to any of us.

1143
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:03.000
I am just as guilty as any
of all or that it's only by God's

1144
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:10.880
grace that He has shown me who
is the truth. And then Scripture tells

1145
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:21.239
me, and I'm going to go
to Isaiah chapter twenty eight, but sorry,

1146
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.319
because again when we get into these
debates, and we'll get into these

1147
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.359
discussions, I run into this all
the tide and with people who profess to

1148
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:31.600
be Christians. They'll say, and
I start debating with them about how Jesus

1149
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:34.520
Christ is the true Israel of God. It's not this nation in the Middle

1150
01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:40.960
East, or how there are Romans
two twenty and twenty nine tells me that

1151
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:44.279
a true Jewish someone who was circumcised
in their heart, not only in the

1152
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:46.600
flesh. And they'll say, well, that's just your opinion, that's just

1153
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:53.119
your interpretation, Okay, that's fair. The question is is there such thing

1154
01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:58.119
as truth? The answer is yes. The truth by definition is exclusive.

1155
01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:01.800
There is a person who declares he
is the truth, and that is Christ.

1156
01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:13.359
So then we must we must understand
that his interpretation and his understanding and

1157
01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:17.479
his opinion are what matter. So
I could have the milliarion different opinions about

1158
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:24.680
what scriptures say, the only one
that matters is what christ Us and Isaiah

1159
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:30.600
fifty four or thirteen. The scriptures
say that Yahweh in the latter days,

1160
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:34.319
Yahweh will be their teacher, and
blessed will be the peace of all your

1161
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:39.560
children. Christ quotes that in John
six forty five, and he says it

1162
01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:43.199
says in the prophet that God will
be their teacher and anyone who learns from

1163
01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:47.600
the Father comes to me. And
in John's thirteen thirteen, the same gospel

1164
01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:51.840
epistle, he says, you call
me teacher and master, and or sheater.

1165
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:55.880
You can call me lord and teacher, And you say so right four,

1166
01:25:56.000 --> 01:26:00.520
I am. He's telling us,
I am God who teaches you.

1167
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:08.760
So therefore I must listen to his
understanding. And so if I go to

1168
01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:15.079
Isaiah twenty eight, and I start
in Isaiah twenty three, there's this very

1169
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.399
interesting passage in Scriptures twenty three through
twenty nine, but we'll go through twenty

1170
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:21.199
six. It says, get a
ear and hear my voice. Give attention,

1171
01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:25.920
and hear my speech. So he's
telling us paid attention to what comes

1172
01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:30.880
next. Does he who plows for
sobo and plow continually, does he continue

1173
01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.119
it open and hair of his ground? When he is leveled as surface,

1174
01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:38.199
does he not scatter dill? So
Cuban put in wheat and rose and barley

1175
01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:43.920
in its proper place and emer as
the border. For he is rightly instructed,

1176
01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:50.039
is God teaches him? That is
an incredible promise that I, as

1177
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:55.600
a man who am seeking and yearning
and hungering for truth, I have the

1178
01:26:55.680 --> 01:27:00.239
promise written in the scripture that if
I can rightly hear and listen and divide

1179
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:06.319
this scripture, I will know that
I am instructed by my God, who

1180
01:27:06.399 --> 01:27:11.279
teaches me. So the question is
is how do I understand this? Well?

1181
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.239
Again, Christ tells us, I
am God who teaches you. So

1182
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:20.840
what does he teach us? It
will go to Mark Ford starting in verse

1183
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:27.000
thirteen, gives us a parable that
is in the Synoptic Gospel, which is

1184
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.600
the parable of the sword. But
I like the mark for version, because

1185
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:34.159
this is what he says at thirteen. So this is Mark four thirteen.

1186
01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:39.439
And he said to them, do
you not understand this parable? How then

1187
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:45.920
will you understand all the parables?
The sower sows the word. Now he

1188
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:47.840
asks that in a negative form.
Is a question. If I'm to flip

1189
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.039
that and turn that into a statement, I must turn it from a negative

1190
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:56.119
to a positive. So the question
that goes from do you not understand this

1191
01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:59.439
parable? How then will you understand
all the parables? Too? If you

1192
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:05.199
understand Dan was perable, you will
understand all the parables. And Scripture teaches

1193
01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:12.520
us that Christ spoke nothing to us
that was not imparable. But he gives

1194
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:16.920
the knowledge to his disciples. Isaiah
eight teaches us that he stores up the

1195
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:24.640
testimony in his disciples. So it's
not a coincidence that this is the understanding

1196
01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:28.119
that God, who teaches us,
says, this is the parable that will

1197
01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:30.159
give you understanding of all the parables. And it just so happens to be

1198
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:34.880
a parable about sewing, which you
get if we go back to Isaiah twenty

1199
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:43.439
eight. It's a parable about sewing. And God says that the Word who

1200
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:46.840
understands us knows that he's rightly instructed, and as God teaches him and the

1201
01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:51.800
sower shows the word. So this
is either to be under Isaiah twenty eight,

1202
01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:56.520
twenty four, and twenty five.
Is either to be understood literally andcarvally

1203
01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:00.600
and about how to be a good
subsistence farmer and therefore I can create crops

1204
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:06.079
in this world, or it's teaching
me how I'm supposed to rightly preach the

1205
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:11.880
gospel, to declare the word of
God, and the way the Lord taught

1206
01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:15.520
me this was I was so when
I first came to Christ. I was

1207
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:19.600
so fearful that my wife would die
without knowing God, a go to hell,

1208
01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:28.000
that I was preaching the gospel to
her in hate I was basically saying

1209
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:30.439
to her, how can you be
so ignorant? How can you not understand

1210
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:33.119
this? This is the easiest thing
in the world. It's so clear,

1211
01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.880
not at all recognizing that I had, for twenty nine years of my life

1212
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:43.760
denied him. Right, But I
was so fearful that I would preach the

1213
01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.000
gospel to her but in hate,
and then I wouldn't see her come to

1214
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:48.239
Christ. And so I would preach
it again, and I would preach it

1215
01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:53.600
again. But if I was if
I take that, if the seed that

1216
01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:56.840
is soul is the word of God, and I sow that into the ground,

1217
01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:01.720
which first fornth Day's three nine tell
me that the people of God are

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God's field, they are the ground, they are his harvest steel. So

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if I'm sowing the word of God
and my wife, but then I have

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no patience, then I give no
chance for that word to grow, for

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it says that God is the one
who gives the grow. And then I

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go appreciate again, I might just
I'm just like a farmer who goes and

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sows the seed one night, it
comes out the next morning, he says,

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oh, it didn't grow. So
he harrows up and plows the ground

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01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:28.319
again and sows another seed, folds
at dirt over it again, goes to

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sleep, comes back out. Ah, it hasn't grown. Man just does

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01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:35.880
it. It keeps doing it.
It will never grow. I must instead

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sow the word, trusts the one
who gives the growth. And I must

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then go out and sew different seed
among others. I must again not saying

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that the seed itself is different.
For the Word of God is truth.

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It's Jesus Christ. But the plant
that rises from that is a different man,

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is a different person. It is
a different individual who bears different fruit,

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all of whom have the fruit of
the spirit. And so this is

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how our God teaches us. And
there are so many Christians who don't know

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that. They don't recognize that they
can be rightly instructed. They can know

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that God teaches them and Scripture tells
them they can well done, well done.

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And we are out of time.
But it's been an incredible journey with

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you for the last ninety minutes.
And I don't know if you know it,

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but you have a book in you
like legitimately you could. That's you

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01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:43.000
quite a story from start to finish
your journey. And of course it's not

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01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:46.119
over. The book is not as
far from being written, you know.

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But but what incredible story, what
a journey, and I'm really anxious to

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01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:55.960
follow you along and to see where
you go with this. And I hope

1244
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.680
your message. I'm sure it will
resonate with a lot of people, and

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01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:02.039
I hope they share your story.
And I know there's going to be a

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01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:05.600
lot of people reaching out to you. Uh, you know, wanted to

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01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:12.000
pick your brain and to meet you
and chat with you because your journey is

1248
01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:17.199
incredible from you know, what you
had dealt with as a teenager and the

1249
01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:23.000
things you endured as a young adult
into uh you know, being a father

1250
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:26.520
of three, and what you went
through with your daughter. God bless you

1251
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.880
and your family, and just what
a wonderful story. And it was great

1252
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.239
to meet you. And I'll I'll
give you the last minute here to address

1253
01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:36.880
the audience as we closer. Well, I I appreciate that, but I

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01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:41.600
would just I want to say that
any any praise or anything like that,

1255
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:44.359
let that be given to God.
Lots of me. If I speak anything

1256
01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.840
today that you have heard that is
that you recognize as true, is shots

1257
01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:53.560
of me Christ. If I speak
anything rightly let it be the glory be

1258
01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:57.399
giving begin to God. Because everything
that I have talked about I have received

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01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:00.039
through the Lord. There's nothing in
me that wates for me. It's from

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Him. If there is a book
that is inside me, let it be

1261
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:10.880
the bifle that there you go so
again, and I'm really grateful for the

1262
01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.199
opportunity to meet with you. I
was really nervous about coming out here because

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I didn't know what the Lord would
allow me to speak today. I didn't

1264
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:20.720
know where he would let me go
with it. But again, may it

1265
01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:26.760
just be for the edification of the
saints that those who are called to Christ

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01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:30.279
may hear it and they may recognize
that He is the Way, the Truth,

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01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:33.600
and the Life. And therefore,
if they truly if any person would

1268
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:38.840
truly desire it, call themselves a
truther, let them call themselves a Christian

1269
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:44.199
or Christ is the truth a man
well said. And I will tell you,

1270
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with somebody who's been in the truth
community for a long time, I've

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01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:51.239
come to understand that as well.
I really haven't. God he led me

1272
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:57.960
to your podcast because like I had
actually closed out the the iPhone or iTunes

1273
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:00.840
podcast thing, and I'm only doing
it Amazon now and I had never heard

1274
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:05.000
of your podcast before, and I
was just looking for a flat Earth podcast

1275
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.079
and yours was like the only one
that came up. And I was listening

1276
01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:11.199
to an interview and it was you. I can't remember who it was,

1277
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:17.920
but you basically started talking about Christ
and I was just like what amen Like,

1278
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:24.159
it's incredible and I immediately wanted to
meet you and know you and hear

1279
01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:28.560
hear about you. And I know
this isn't this is your show to interview

1280
01:34:28.680 --> 01:34:30.199
me and things like that, but
I would love an opportunity to just hear

1281
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:34.359
your testimony as well, because you
are It's been great to listen to your

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01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:40.000
podcast. I greatly appreciate that.
And likewise, all gloria to God forgiven

1283
01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:45.119
me the courage and forgiving me the
support, the support, uh my wife.

1284
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You know, I would venture to
say that there's a lot of people

1285
01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:54.039
whose wives may not be so much
for this forum, with this thought process,

1286
01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:56.800
but you know, she's my rock
and she has always supported me.

1287
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:01.279
And uh, you know, glory
to God and for my family and forgiving

1288
01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:06.079
me the courage to do this because
you know, being on a I'm not

1289
01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:09.680
a big name or anything like that, but you're always going to catch flack.

1290
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.720
And I know when I speak with
conviction, I don't honestly care what

1291
01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:16.600
the negative thoughts and the things that
are thrown at me. I just hope

1292
01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:23.319
that it bounces off and I always
come back humbly right because it's you know,

1293
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.439
as a Christian, you want to
lead by example, and I just

1294
01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:29.079
say, hey, thanks for the
email. Thanks, I kill them with

1295
01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:34.359
kindness, Thanks for listening to the
podcast. So you know, it's important

1296
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:38.720
what we do here, and with
a fact hunter and everything. It's something

1297
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:44.760
that started as I saw human suffering
firsthand on many occasions. And I was

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01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.760
just a nice Palestine, Ohio last
week and my heart felt for those people.

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01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:51.279
You know, this stuff happens around
the world. But at the same

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time, I know at the end
of the day that in the truth community

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01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.560
and I think more people are realizing
it all leads back to the Gospel of

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01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:02.760
Jesus, and I'm thankful that,
you know, he'd led me to start

1303
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:06.279
this podcast, and I've been able
to meet so many strong Christians like yourself,

1304
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:09.880
So again, Justin, it was
really a pleasure to meet you.

1305
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.479
Oh same for you, jord it
was I'm really grateful to God for the

1306
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:15.560
opportunity. Thank you, and to
all the listeners, thank you for your

1307
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:19.399
continued support and for your emails and
your messages. It's been a one full

1308
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:23.479
journey here in this I guess year
and a half already one hundred and fifty

1309
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:27.640
plus episodes. I've got to meet
so many wonderful people from around the world,

1310
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:30.439
and we've got more people coming in
the near future. Again, reach

1311
01:36:30.479 --> 01:36:34.079
out by email if you'd like to
join us, like Justin did this even

1312
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:38.399
and God bless each and every one
of you, and keep your head on

1313
01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:41.880
a swivel. And until we meet
again, my friends, we will see

1314
01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:48.880
you. I know it's been a
struggle. I don't know if you've had

1315
01:36:48.960 --> 01:37:00.920
spain fee the time? Hell down
about all the way? Yeah? I

1316
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:11.159
know you feel more. Your smile
ain't the same I saw well go from

1317
01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:19.520
you feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up. No, don't

1318
01:37:19.680 --> 01:37:26.479
give in and never on this home. Don't let go the primise. He

1319
01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:30.319
ain't done yet, he's gone up
plaid. Why it's your right time?

1320
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:41.640
Got up? Let me come?
Why afraid? Got up? Y go?

1321
01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:54.520
I can see straight beside you,
child's are putting up the fid.

1322
01:37:56.439 --> 01:38:01.479
Oh you're stronger than anything you.
Yeah, you're gone, be all right,

1323
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:13.000
you're accepting a dead value. Beautiful
you're shoving bride. Yeah, you're

1324
01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:23.159
live and breathe move, you can
hold your head of hide. Don't give

1325
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:28.239
up, No, don't give in, never lose home. Don't they go

1326
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:33.880
on the primise? It ain't dounion's
got a plan? WA's a way?

1327
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:41.279
Tell the God of Merica. Don't
give up? No, don't give in,

1328
01:38:42.439 --> 01:38:47.079
never lose home, don't let go
on the promise? It ain't confess

1329
01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:58.319
worth live man? What's a plain
down? The god may call? WHA's

1330
01:38:58.439 --> 01:39:06.479
a place down? Tavy? Co
oh? Yeah, what's a break out

1331
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:27.159
the god t co oh? Yeah? You got tv cor. Don't give

1332
01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:31.920
up, No, don't give in? Never sol do they go of the

1333
01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:40.439
primise? I mean and don yehs
got a play? What's a kind of

1334
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:47.239
ey cos? Don't give no dog
giving? Never hold? Do they go

1335
01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:57.239
the primes? It ain't done?
Love's worth even watch and God of in

1336
01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:21.640
coors all the God of needs?
Why the God of your you're listening to

1337
01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:28.680
the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just
the facts, ma'am,