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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Skate Cast. It is episode

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sixty nine. Eh, we could
have skipped this, you know, like

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hotels, they won't have like a
thirteenth floor, a room two three seven,

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Like I think we should skip sixty
nine. We're the opposite. We

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have like the next three episodes,
we'll all be sixty nine. It really

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hard to like find the actual next
episode we'll have. All the levels are

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sixty nine. I agree. I
would like to linger on sixty nine as

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long as possible, just degenerates.
If there's one thing I like, and

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there's one thing I know, it's
sixty nine and host of the podcast,

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What have you guys been up to? Wait before I even give a shit

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what you've been up to? We
have our Game of the Year annual live

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stream. You guys have all seen
it. It's our fourth annual. We

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try to figure this out every time
and I always get it wrong. Fourth

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annual live stream December fifteenth, straight
out of Minneapolis, Minnesota, Saturday.

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The next episode right, episode seventy. Wow. Yeah, if you're listen

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to the audio feed, the next
one after sixty nine. If you want

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to skip this, filthy one will
be a Game of the year. Yep,

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it's gonna be fun. Jake's coming
out. All of us are descending

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on Minneapolis. A very exciting,
interesting famous person will be in attendance.

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No, they won't famous person.
Then you don't we had one, we

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wouldn't say it and we would surprise
everyone. You're saying it and no one's

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gonna be here. Man, I
know you don't have much experience in promo

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ing stuff, but direct here's how
you do it. You get them all

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whipped up into a frenzy, and
then like a few days before the show,

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you say, oh, the famous
person got injured on a freak like

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the poster says card subject to change, you know, like we didn't lie.

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His plane hit a lightning bowlt He's
fine, but he just didn't make

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it to Minneapolis. He's still shaking
up him. No, it's gonna be

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us and Jake. That's it.
Yeah, I can bring dogs into the

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frame. Bunk will be in the
house. Yeah, Buck will be in

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the house. Dogs will be in
the frame at times, but mostly just

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us four. Maybe this famous person
is so surprising that not even Dan knows

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about it. No, in this
surprise famous yues, that's a surprise he's

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not even basing this on anything we
tried to make happen. We didn't even

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try to get a guest. Oh, well, he sort of. You're

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basically off something very stupid that no
one knows. Yeah, let's just say

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you'll be surprised at who's an attendance. They won't. I don't know about

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that. Dan's probably the most famous
person that will be there, or is

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he Gizmo Episode seventy You might want
to be there, might be missing.

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I bet they'll be able to fly
in. Oh, we got to dig

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him up first, making it clear
that this is not happening. I got

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a buddy who's a grave digger.
He can get the body. I've got

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another friend who's got some of those
defibrillator he can awaken him. That corpses.

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Yeah, we know that. We
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keep him alive. It'll be fun. Polygons Game of the I'm not like

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not to plug something super early Polygons
Game of the Year. We've been working

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on a Polygon we're getting ready for
hours here. Game Awards if you're listening

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to this, Game Awards are in
a few days from when this episode goes

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up. It's Game of the Year
season for sure, and I am more

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excited than usual. I think I
usually take the jaded approach. I'm like,

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all right, I'll get polygons done. That's fun. I'll care about

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fire escapes. I don't give a
shit. I give a shit. That

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sounds bad. It's more like,
Okay, I'm sure people will pick this

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in that there's a few things that
could pop up in number one spots this

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year. Yes, I agree.
I'm excited if we're plugging stuff. Also,

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a few days after this goes up
Giant Bomb Game of the Year.

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We're doing four days, four days
Game of the Year streams. Three of

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them will be up remotely, and
one of them will be live in person

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in Los Angeles if you're in the
area. Yeah, it'll be Saturday the

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eighth. I want to say,
does that makes sense? That might be

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the day? Exciting Saturday the night, Saturday the night. Yes, yes,

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it's a loss of stream it.
So you guys sold out. We

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sold out and moved to a bigger
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it's going to be a big,
big show. It'll be great. I'm

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happy for you. It's so exciting
to do stuff in person and yeah,

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there's going to be a bunch of
that with all the stuff you're planning.

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I haven't been on a video game
stage in I guess since packs in like

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twenty nineteen, so it's been a
while for me. Mary. I know

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you that's you do that a lot. Now, what the stage? Video

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game? Yeah? Yeah, well, you know it's interesting though, because

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Twitch is so much broader than games. Obviously it's hyper focused in games,

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but like sometimes we're on that stage. And there was a great anime debate

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at twitch Con this last year,
and I thought that was cool, but

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it was like where's the games.
It was all about, you know,

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whether Goku would win in a fight. It was interesting against too, like

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me, Yeah, yeah, you
were in, you came up, you

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were You didn't make the top twenty
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be Goku. But no, they
didn't think you could swing it, not

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with the fact that a box of
nerds can take you down. No.

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I literally today, while I was
coming down here, I dropped this ice

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bucket while I was filling with ice, and I went to go grab it

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and I tweaked my lower back.
So yeah, hot, going great.

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I think I can pay Goku.
I think so. Probably Oh he got

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they got the first Uh Nacy's Thanksgiving
a parade had a Goku float? Was

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that Goku or you guys didn't see
it? I guess this you're uh,

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you're probably thinking of Garfield. Oh
right, easy, the Yellow Bird.

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No, it was the first anime
base yellow Bird. I believe it was

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the first. It was either the
first Dragon ball Z float. I think

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it was just the first anime float
at the Macy's Thanksgiving a parade. I

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think it was Goku. Wait,
they've had Pikachu. That doesn't count.

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Doesn't count. It's an anime.
It's anime now. But I don't it's

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like first. Maybe it's just first
Dragon ball Z. I don't know.

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I don't like. Keep in mind
this is the comments like, uh,

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who what's his name? Not Karl
Rove, he's the politician l Roker him

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and balloon at the Macy's Thanksgiving Donald
Rumsfeld comes right, But I think he

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could take Goku like the John ashcro
balloon. Yeah, we watched Vice recently.

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That's the only reason I remember all
these names. No, but no,

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I think it was the first.
Like if they're considering Pikachu more of

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like a icon like Mickey Mouse or
Mario. Then maybe that's what they were

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saying with the first like anime anime
character. I'm not sure because like you

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wouldn't call Mickey Mouse a I guess
you would call Mickey Mouse a cartoon character.

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Yes he's trans now, no,
he's just a dumb cartoon mouse.

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I guess I can see how,
like Pikachu is on just traditional Disney or

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whatever, he's like on all like
cartoon channels, like I could Mario character

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founded and Pikachu. Yeah, it
was an anime, was an anime first

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and then a video game if it
was trade it was video game then trading

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cards than anime, or was it
trading cards then video game? Well?

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Fuck now I'm too old to Pokemon. I don't even want to look up.

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I rather not know. I must
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too cool fucking Pokemon. An actual
impression of me in nineteen ninety eight Pokemon

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Kiddie Ship. Yeah, try to
meddle Gear Solid Nerds literally, Yes,

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that was exactly the argument. I
think Pikachu would win against Metal Gear Solid

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likes it like the robot, the
nuclear robot, all of them. Oh

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my god. At the same time
Rex Rex Rex Ray, Uh, shagow

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hodanthrop I had a bit ready for
it just sounds like an Italian family living

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in Jersey. Then you get to
shagow Hod, I'm like, well that

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ruins it. The rex Tray remember
Rock you had that, uncle shagow Hod.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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you started. Uh. And the
Macy Thanksgiving a para, it's bullshit.

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Compared to the dog show, I
watched the Westminster Yeah yeah, I saw

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the Cavalier. Cavalier some sort of
terrier won this year show. I'm just

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glad that the year of the because
when the French he won. All these

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people were like, this is going
to like Skyrock at their sales, and

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after my experience, I really don't
recommend them. The resale value on Simon

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would go up already, the trade
and value this is not a depreciating asset.

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My dog only goes up, but
he also costs me an arm and

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a leg every time he goes into
the emergency that which is like once or

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twice a year, it's like two
thousand dollars. I'm dying here. Thank

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god he's insured. But like I
really, every time someone's like they're so

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cute, we're going to get one. I'm always like, don't I would

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be careful, Like they're so difficult. He's tough dogs. He has you're

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talking resale value. What's his third
similarity to a vehicle? They're so fast

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all the force gas mileage, it's
really high. That's a better one,

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fas. No, he's got like
a limp. He's got so many various

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like congenital issues, but like one
of them is because he has scoliosis.

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He doesn't run very good. He
runs with like a little bit of a

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limp. And the other day we
were getting bagels and a lady at the

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bagel shop was like, look at
him run with that, you know that?

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What do you call it? Like
canter? Like an athlete? Was

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like, yeah, like an athlete, right, he's an athlete in the

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way that like baseball players in the
thirties were athletes. Are you saying,

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like Babe Ruth wasn't an athlete.
I mean he was an athlete, but

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he was exercising his drinking arm if
you know what I mean exactly. Yeah,

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the Babe Ruth of modern day dogs. All right, I'll buy it.

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I think Simon could take Babe Ruth
in a fight. Yeah, Babe

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Ruth would be passed out for a
while. Yeah him, mung on him

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because he's got no teeth left.
Who's the last person you had to like

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look up whether they were dead?
No, we did on this podcast and

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then quickly died or they tore their
achilles handon. Oh you didn't die,

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or we're just carved. No,
Bob Barker and Terry Funk died after the

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last one. Oh yeah, m
hm, and well because I saw Terry

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Funk in uh Roadhouse, Roadhouse,
Roadhouse, Yeah, which is the best

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movie ever made. Cursed. Speaking
of which, I we're rewatching Breaking Bad

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for the first time since it ended. This is my I want to say

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third. It might actually only be
my second time I'm watched my first time.

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I'm watching it since it ended.
Interesting. I'm today I was watching

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Better Call Saul, so I'm working
on that and i've been I'm on Phenomenal.

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Wait, so you you you're you've
seen Breaking Bad three times? You

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haven't seen Better Called Saul. My
No, this is the first time,

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I'm I'm this is either the third, well, yeah, this is even

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the third time. I'm rewatching second
time I'm watching it after it ended,

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or the first after I watched it
all when it was live. That's too

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many words. If you are at
that level of Breaking Bad, you should

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be watching Better Call Saul because it's
the same phenomenal like writing and experience,

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but it's new characters. And I
actually think this is like a hot take,

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but I think it has some elements
that are better because Breaking Bad was

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always so goddamn serious, and Better
Call Sault is serious at times, but

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it's very joky and silly. I
just laugh more. I was very stressed

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watching Breaking Bad. I laugh all
the time when I watch Better Call Saw.

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It's a better ride for me.
Breaking Bad is so much just bigger

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and explosive and kind of Hollywood feeling
in terms of, like, you know,

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people are just exploding and dying in
crazy ways every season, Like,

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yeah, big things happen in Better
Call Saul, but it's more of a

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slow burn like character study type show. And Odin Kirk is just incredible in

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it. So all the new characters
they introduce are all great. The way

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they tie. I thought it was
going to be trying to, like,

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you know, shoehorn in a bunch
of characters from Breaking Bad. But everyone

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they bring in, they actually tie
it together in a meaningful way. The

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whole thing with like the Solomonka family
and all that is really well done.

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It's yeah, it's very very good. I guess it's it's not just surprise

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cameos. It's very well executed reasoning
for why everybody is still kind of around

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in the same universe. It makes, it makes a lot of sense.

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But it's funny. It's it's really
really funny. The characters, like Saul

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in the way he's constantly bringing back
the video crew. It's so funny.

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I just yeah stuff. Yeah,
anyway, I think it's a very good

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show. Yeah, you mentioned the
like surprise cameo thing. That's why I

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stopped watching it when it aired,
because I was like, oh, hell

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yeah, I love Breaking Bad.
Here's another taste that universe. And in

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the first two episodes that aired that
first night, it was like, Okay,

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oh so Mike works at the tollbooth. Okay, what how convenient?

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No great Tuco shows up at the
end. It's like I was like,

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I see, it's just gonna keep
shit warning guys in. But yeah,

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it's prequel, but it it meaningfully
does that but I I initiated Coel because

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that guy looks older like Milow,
much older. Yeah, he looks a

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lot older, and you have to
kind of give it some grace with that

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one. But other than that,
I think it works. It's worth it

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though. I mean, he's a
very important character in that show, such

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a good actor too. Yeah,
I'm a big fan. I think he

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should go with that. Oh,
I will, We will watch it for

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sure. I after watching it's not
at all Amanda just has not rewatched it

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since it finished either. So and
also I will say I am finding it

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way funnier this time around. Like
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it was still finding its footing.
It's like not sure I know exactly or

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they knew exactly what it wants to
be. But I am laughing pretty hard.

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Especially Hank cracks me up like so
fucking much this time around watching it

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because I know how much like put
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so many dudes I know, and
currently no new and no in Kansas,

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you know, like just that type
of dude that's every dad and uncle ever.

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was a big controversy about Skyler White

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and I'm curious your take on her. Everyone on the internet made a list

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of like the evilest worst characters ever
to Grease Television, and Skyler White is

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on it, and she's up there. She's like in the top ten,

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which I find like really interesting because
she's not a fucking villain. No no,

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no, no, in at the
point we're in now like there are

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I think it's season four. Every
single character in that show gets hard to

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watch. Aman and I were talking
about this, like Walter more than anybody.

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I will actually say, as much
as I prefer the Sopranos to Breaking

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Bad, I don't think I ever
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did a better job of getting me
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I ever liked Walter, But that's
the whole gimmick of the show. I

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mean, that's the show. No, not not like that he's evil.

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I knew he shows signs really early
on. He's got some issues deep down.

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I never stopped like being charmed by
Tony Soprano, and Breaking Bad would

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not exist without Tony Soprano being the
anti hero first. But I remember last

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time I rewatched Breaking Bad, there
was a part where I actually stopped liking

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Walter like Tony does the most fucked
up shit, and I'm still like he's

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still James Gandalfini is playing the most
lovable character. I'm sure people will find

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problem with that that I just said, but I don't care. They named

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the highway after him, Yes,
true, but no, Skyler such a

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murderer. I know. Skyler definitely
got like again, I think that well

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a. I mean, she's all
these anti heroes, aside from like several

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shows are dudes. So I think
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calling them out on their shit,
they're gonna get. People are gonna definitely

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it's not gonna be a level playing
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show, Skyler was reacting to Walton's ship

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like a normal wife and mother would
I definitely a met dealer, yes,

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half of the first season, we're
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the cancer. Walter has just killed
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that was time chained. I forgot
how tense that scene was too. When

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he puts the plate together and sees
the jagged part missing the bike lock or

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something that Jesse got the bike lock. Yeah, yeah, and then but

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then he chokes him with it because
he's like, so you're not gonna stick

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me with that plate? And then
yeah, he and then he's already saying

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he's sorry as before the guy dies. It's it's such good writing, but

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Skyler is pissing me off, only
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is pissing me off. It's that
Walter is the one with supposedly terminal lung

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cancer and they're giving him. Everybody
in his life is giving him so much

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shit for like taking time to figure
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And uh, Skyler's at the point
now where she just told Elliot, his

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old business partner, like, hey, could you potentially help us out and

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pay for all this without telling him
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it's not in no way is it
ever evil. It's her saying, like,

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I love my husband. He's also
the father to my kid now who

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has is it Bell's cerebral palsy,
and then my unborn daughter, So she's

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just showing normal human concern. She
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So yes, I remember all that
stuff with Anna Gunn getting Anna Gunn was

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saying it like her life sucked for
a while really because people hated Skyler so

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much. In public, she would
get like mean shit and death threats.

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I have a feeling it's probably from
the type of dude who, like,

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you know, even through that whole
story, was like, oh yeah,

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Walter, that's what a bad ass, same type of guy that has like

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scarpace and like posters anything's don Draper
is super cool. It's like, No,

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the point is these are her both
fucking people. They're not aspirational like

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fucking scarface. Yes, exactly.
So yes, I remember that stuff with

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Anna gun though. And it's also
funny watching Seinfeld. She's a oh yeah,

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she man hands. No, she's
the one that George confuses with the

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police. He thinks that she's making
out with Jerry's cousin because he sees a

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police officer kissing her horse with his
glasses off. Yeah. I think that

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was the only two episodes or the
only episode she's in he takes in that

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dead Wood. Yes, she came
in and she was a bull's wife.

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Yeah, but she came in like
later on, when he was already kind

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of having a fling with honor Almagarrettartt
which was she was played by uh the

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woman from the West Wing. Mm
Amanda would know that better. But yeah,

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which is all to say, turns
out Breaking That is still I would

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much rather rewatch mad Men or Sopranos. I find those shows more like moment

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to moment enjoyable. But then again, Breaking Bad is just pretty like bleak

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most of the way through, but
it is really like much funnier than I

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remember. Yeah, as soon as
I'm done with Saul, I'm moving on

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to Sopranos as my like workout show. Yeah, I think I will say.

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I think watching Barry since the last
time I watched Breaking Bad, has

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made me appreciate the dark humor even
more. I've always liked dark humor,

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but Barry just goes so far into
it, and Bill Hater is so good

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with that kind of humor that I
think it highlights it a lot more.

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In Breaking Bad, he said,
like he met Vince Gilligan and said,

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like, thank you so much.
Like Barry is just Breaking Bad. It

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wouldn't take shore Us without Breaking Bad. But yeah, it's a show's good.

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I gotta watch better calls. I
still have to watch Fargo. I

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didn't realize it's still going. I
thought it was done. I saw that

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I dropped off. Yeah, not
because it wasn't good. I just think

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I got distracted and then forgot about
it. And there are so few good

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TV shows. Well, no,
Mary, remember you said that you stopped

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watching Fargo because Chris Rock was in
that one season and you were just a

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really big like you were on Will
Smith's side and very strongly with that thing,

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right, someone Smirch and Nixon.
That's such an interesting feud to take

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sides on. That's why I thought
it was weird that you were so strongly

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defending Will Smith said this. Yeah, I've heard you say it a lot.

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Yeah, that I'm on Will Smith's
side. What's that I'm on Will

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Smith's side, right, that's strongly
on Will Smith's side. Yes, ye,

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beat up comedians your platform, go
get them? Can we talk the

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talk? But I bet you they
couldn't beat Goku and fight, you know,

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go Coo versus Dane Cook. Yeah, let's do it, Madison Square

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Garden, let's go. That would
be amazing. Creator. I tell jokes

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and then just get absolutely like killed. Dane Cook vaporized. He's trying to

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like squeak out one before he gets
completely ruined. What's Dane Cook fighting?

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Goku? What would he sound like? Do Dane Cook fighting? I'm glad

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I haven't heard Dane Cook's voice since
like two thousand and four. I have

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no idea what he sounds like anymore. I don't either. Goku comes at

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me right, he got He's got
a five finger death punch ready for me.

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Right. I don't know what's going
on. I just know I'm about

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to get punched. And he punches
me. He punches me right here?

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Right? Did you guys hear that? Did you over here? Hear that?

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Right here? I don't know that. Can't do Dane Cook. That

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had just as good of a punch
line as any Dane Cook joke. He

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just yelled at the Yeah, I
can find him there. That's probably not

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that surprising. Like many are you
gonna say you used to be a big

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Dan Cook fan? Not a big
Dang Cook fan. But I found him

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funny for like a year in my
life. I mean that Dan Cook fifteen

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minutes, let's go get in the
man. It was probably middle school though,

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if that, But again that tracks
because not apologizing for anything I said.

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I mean, guys my age in
college loved Dane Cook, and I

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used to give them a lot of
shit because we thought he sucked ass.

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And you would have been much younger, and so I could totally see if

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dipshits my age liked him back then, you as a younger smart person,

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but you're still young, so you're
probably stupid. Yeah no, I did

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not like him in college. Yeah
no, I was already into Oh.

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Not to add another wrinkle to this, we watched Mike birbiglia A's new special

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on Netflix, really really good,
The Old Man in the Pool, so

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like comedians everywhere love him specifically,
and they talk about how hard it is

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to do clean comedy. That's that
good. And obviously I'm not super into

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clean comedy, but Mike burbiglia just
can now it. I love that show.

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I don't know. I think they
can can get punched. They can

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all they can all take a couple
of hits, you know what I mean.

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Wear a shirt that just says beat
up comedians on the subway into the

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West Village and then go to the
ho Many sellers sit front row with Will

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Smith storm the stage comedians around tell
them not to tell the joke. They

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were just saying, we need to
shirt this as beat up comedians. I

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don't like it. Who are you
trying to make me, you know,

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think about stuff? Yeah, I
don't know you anything that would probably not

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challenge me in many parts of the
world. Dan, you look like you've

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been going through a process, because
I can see it. I can see

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it on your face. It's supposed
to be invisible. Well it's in the

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name, but it gives you away. I know, notice a list it's

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it's supposed to go away pretty quick. I noticed it myself because I talk

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as myself frequently, and so I
noticed, you're gonna know. So that's

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that was the first thing I said
after they I'm super self conscious. As

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soon as they were done, I
started talking and I was like, oh,

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wait, is my voice going to
stay like this? Because I should

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have mentioned I do podcasts for a
living and have to talk all the time,

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and that's gonna be weird if my
voice is totally different. Now,

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I still have a little bit of
it. It's not. It was much

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more defined in the first like two
or three days. So it's been like

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three weeks now. Still in my
first tray getting it changed out tomorrow.

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It sucks. I don't I don't
like it is the hurt and the taking

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it off the first few days hurts
a lot, just because I don't know,

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like taking on They've put these attachments
on your teeth. They're slowly rearranging

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your teeth. Like I guess that
it's going to hurt a bit, but

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I just didn't know. I was
like consistently uncomfortable. Yeah, I mean

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the gums are really tender. I
mean I always had sensitive teeth and they're

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super sensitive now. So yeah,
it's, uh, it's very uncomfortable.

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It's I think six to nine months
is what I'm looking at, and yeah,

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I'm getting swapped out tomorrow, but
I don't know. Like I talk

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to my sister, she had for
like eighteen months, so everything I've heard

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is that I'm on the like lower
end of it. Was just it's too

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uh, it's just my bite the
only teeth that connect or my back molars,

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so that's like led to them getting
fucked up by just clank clank clank

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my whole life. So this is
supposed to like spread it out like like

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a snowshoe. You know, and
it's spread the weight distribution. When I

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bite down, all the teeth are
supposed to hit, So we're trying to

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fix that there so you'll be happier
in the long run. But I've had

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them done twice. I had them
when I was twenty three, and I

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first got like a little bit of
extra change. I think I was still

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living with my mom at the time, and so when I had paychecks,

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I was like, ooh, I
could spend this and sure fix my teeth

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for the first time, and so
I did. I never had braces growing

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up, and so I got in
visile line and I vividly remembered the pain

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because just like you, they put
like I think they're like little nubs of

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concrete on your teeth, and that's
how they rotate your teeth. So it's

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one thing to move them. If
you move them, the tray just slowly

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moves your teeth forward or backward as
much as they need. But to rotate,

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they put a little piece of concrete
on your teeth, and then the

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tray like pivots that concrete around your
tooth to turn it. And it's freaking

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painful. It's actually it's not a
shooting pain. Anyone who's ever had a

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toothache can tell you it's just a
consistent, continuous discomfort in your mouth,

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which sucks because that's really close to
your head, which means you're probably it

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can cause headaches or just make you
feel you put stuff in there. It's

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not great. You put your stuff
in where mouth? Oh yeah, get

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ready to anytime you want to eat
anything, if you have it, you

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have to take them out, brush
your teeth through this whole rigamarole, clean

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out the basis line. So like
sacking just kind of goes out the window.

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It's like, all right, I'm
taking these things out three times a

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day. I'm getting all my shit
in and I'm putting them back in.

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You know, there's like a little
Infizzil lined diet that you basically go on

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because you're only allowed to drink water
with them, and you're not even supposed

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to like so drink soda and stuff. So here's I looked that up a

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lot and talking to my dentists,
and also, don't fucking email. I

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don't give a ship. I'm going
to listen to my dentist. I'm not

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listening to Yahoo podcast person. You
don't why I don't drink wine line,

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I asked my dentist. I said, like, okay, so let's say

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I go out the bar, like
I'm a social person. I like to

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go out a lot and hang out
and that's like, you know, hours

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long. Can I drink beer with
it in? And he goes, yeah,

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you can, just like have a
water next to you as well,

404
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and so like whenever you have beer, switch it around, make sure the

405
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.799
sugar is not getting caught between the
step, and at the end of the

406
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:30.839
night, just make sure you're taking
them out pressure teeth, you know,

407
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.200
clean, cleaning things out. He
said, You'll be totally fine there.

408
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.319
So I have been drinking with him
and it has been fine. But yeah,

409
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.759
my sister said she was drinking like
red wine, all sorts of ship

410
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.680
with it, like coffee. It
was all fine. So I went and

411
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:47.119
put your sister on the pedestal of
how to envizzle line because you should not

412
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:56.160
be drinking fine yeah, the dentist. The dentist said, I could.

413
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.519
That is the person who had heared
these things to my teeth said yeah,

414
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:03.160
you'll be fine. So that's what
I'm going with. When I first got

415
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.039
them done when I was twenty three, in my first two weeks a friend

416
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.440
of mine had a birthday party and
I went and they served cake, and

417
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.799
I remember thinking to myself, I
don't know my trays, Like, I

418
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.039
can't eat this delicious cake I have
in vizil line in And then I thought

419
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.759
to myself, Well, you can't
chew it because you'll get in there,

420
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.359
but you can probably like suck a
piece of cake. And so I kind

421
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:33.200
of cake put it in my mouth. It's kind of kind of just sucked

422
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:37.960
it. Suck cake beat up comedians. Wait, and so were you just

423
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.079
like putting it on your tongue and
just like like when you have like a

424
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.000
lick of ice cream. Yeah,
And I kind of like switched it around

425
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.839
with my tongue and tasted it and
then shoved it in the back and then

426
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:53.680
yeah, and it definitely still got
a drink blind trays drinking cake. Put

427
00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:00.079
it in a blender, Uh,
you'd beat better off. I didn't myself

428
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.599
that I could. I could get
it without getting it in my invisil line,

429
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.799
but that was not the case.
It did get into my vizsil line

430
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:12.119
and I had to like scrub my
vizzile line retainers to get all the cake

431
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:18.839
goo out of there. So I
I promise you can't drink cake no matter

432
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.319
what your dentis says, is that
the last time you tried to eat with

433
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.880
them in, No, I was. I always tried to skirt the rules

434
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.000
and see what I could get away
with. You know, like you're really

435
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:32.960
not supposed to have candy or anything, but like same thing, if you

436
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:33.720
could suck it, I was,
like, you can get away with it,

437
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:41.799
so you can have like a like
a lollipop spaghetti spaghetti if you don't

438
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:42.960
have to chew it. I would
try and get away with it, but

439
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.559
it always ends up getting in there. So no, you really shouldn't have

440
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.440
any of that stuff. And the
real one that I warn you about is

441
00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:53.839
hot drinks because you're invisile line is
plastic. If you have like a hot

442
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.359
toddy or a hot tea, you
can actually bend the plastic. So don't

443
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.440
don't drink warm stuff coffee this morning
with them in. But I'm getting a

444
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:06.200
new trade tomorrow, so I'm playing
fast and lose. Her are pushing it,

445
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.759
so I went through the same This
is something that happens the first time

446
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.440
you get in visiline, which is
like I'm gonna see if I can push

447
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.720
these boundaries. And I learned in
my first week you cannot have cake.

448
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.319
So you know, to take take
that advice. With what you will.

449
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:26.000
You're gonna try to get away with
certain things and certain things you you can't.

450
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:27.200
So it's the last day. I'm
going to switch out. Tomorrow,

451
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.240
I'm chewing on hammers. I'm just
going to town. Yeah, I get

452
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:38.079
them sucking on trees. You can
get away with it. I might be

453
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.480
starting it soon. This is a
line I have the os pro there.

454
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.599
My molars don't connect, just my
front everything do I also have like that

455
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.960
hurt? Well? They also they're
like, this will double as a way

456
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.920
to stop you from grinding your teeth
at night, which I very much do

457
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.680
you TMJ from that? Yeah,
that's why I I thought I was getting

458
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.000
ear infections. That means my ears
were hurting a lot. And I kept

459
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:01.119
going to the ear and nos and
throat and they would look in there and

460
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.160
be like, your ears look fine, and go talk toor Dennis and see

461
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.200
if you have TMJ. And I
went and sure enough, it's a TMJ

462
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.160
thing. And so that's that's how
this came about. Was the TMJ pain.

463
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.160
Oh yeah, Like I would say
three mornings a week. I wake

464
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.640
up, my jaw muscles are sore. I could tell I was grinding them,

465
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.640
and but also like there's a decent
I was grinding them before. I

466
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.160
like, I was grinding my baby
teeth like baby teeth when I was younger.

467
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.920
So it actually messed up the way
that if you were just gonna glance

468
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.799
at me, my teeth don't look
that bad. But there are some pretty

469
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.359
decent sized gaps between like my canine
and my whatever the one by cuspid,

470
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.000
I don't know. That's what I
learned. It's not all about just like

471
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.039
crooked teeth, Like I kind of
always assumed braces where I've had several people

472
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.039
be like, why do you get
in missline? Your teeth aren't crooked,

473
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.359
And I was like, yeah,
it's it's to bite thing thing. It

474
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.920
doesn't have to be like fucked up
teeth. Yeah, so mine supposed it's

475
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:58.000
gonna be six to eight months.
Okay, that's about same as mine.

476
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.400
Yeah, at the risk of mentioning, so something that might dan I know,

477
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:07.240
you're not gonna teat stuff. Oh
have you ever heard of there is

478
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:09.400
a thing. I don't know if
it's through in visile line or certain dentists

479
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.559
do it, or maybe it's not
even a dentist thing. Maybe it's the

480
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:17.640
like an orthodontist thing, but you
can expedite an invisile line process by and

481
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.200
don't take my word for it,
look this up. Google it. I

482
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.160
dated someone who did something, paid
enough money at the beginning of it to

483
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.720
like accelerate what their teeth would be
doing with the invisi line, and they

484
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.160
did it the way they described it. I'm I don't know, I'd never

485
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.000
verified this, but I know they
were in a lot of pain in the

486
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:40.160
first couple of days. You screw
into like the jaw below the teeth to

487
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.519
supposedly like kickstarts the teet's healing.
If we have any dentists, actually,

488
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.160
I would invite people to email me
about this to explain what she was talking

489
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.200
about, because the way she described
it, I was like, there's no

490
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.680
way that could be like done in
a medical setting. This sounds like a

491
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.480
Mary will get this. It sounds
like a doctor nick thing. This doesn't

492
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:04.119
sound like a real thing. Yes, or if someone has like insight as

493
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.720
to what actually it really was,
please tell me. But it took her

494
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.320
like half the time to do in
envision line because she did this acceleration process

495
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.360
to be I don't want to do
that. Jesus, did you have to

496
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.519
do a thing? They have to
do a thing tomorrow? Mary, I

497
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.760
don't know if you had this where
they have to take I think like three

498
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.719
different gaps they have to like cheve
a spacer in there. Currently did that

499
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.880
hurt? I don't know how much
she expected to hurt. No, I

500
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.519
never felt that there was pain going
to the dentist. There was pain when

501
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.840
I left because every time they move
your teeth, even like you know,

502
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.360
half a quarter of a millenie or
whatever it is, when you're walking out,

503
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.079
you'll feel this pain. And I
don't know if they told you this,

504
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.639
but I've got quite adjusted that.
On New Retainer Day, I have

505
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:53.079
like to advil. I strongly recommend
it, like just they told me not

506
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.320
to because they said they you want
the inflammation, like that's part of like

507
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.960
that'll help healing. Did doctor Nick
tell you that too? I'm telling you

508
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:08.119
it's painful, Like I understand what
they're saying. Take ibuprofen if you are

509
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:14.039
feeling pain, because they would keep
me up at night. On New New

510
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.599
Retainer Day, New Retainer Day,
I associate with like bad things. It's

511
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.880
like when a I don't know,
like a cat when you get a spray

512
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.960
bottle out. I like WinCE at
new retainer day. And I've had them

513
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.079
twice. I was telling you this
before we started recording, so I didn't

514
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.880
wear my retainer forever. I thought
that, you know, I wore my

515
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.639
retainer from twenty three. They were
fixed by twenty four, and I probably

516
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.440
stopped wearing my retainer around twenty seven
because I was like, I've had this

517
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.519
retainer. I've been putting these in
for like four years. My teeth are

518
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.199
done, They're fixed, and sure
is shit. By the time I was

519
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.159
like thirty three or whatever, they
had started shifting and they were almost like

520
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.719
back to where they were. So
I got them a second time, and

521
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:00.920
I've I have had them twice now
and the second time I only needed them

522
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.800
for like six months, but I
had to pay for it again and I

523
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.320
had to go through the pain again. And so like cheap, No,

524
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.599
keep your retainer and just wear it
every night until you die. And the

525
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.400
only time I forget is if I've
been drinking or something like that. Sometime

526
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:22.239
or one time I went on a
work trip and just totally forgot it,

527
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:28.079
not really sucked, but uh,
you know, I'm dedicated. I'll wear

528
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.800
these. You'll have to bury me
with my diseline. I guess that part

529
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.480
of the retainer doesn't sound too bad
to me. Yeah, sleep with a

530
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.599
retainer actually sounds nice. I like. Sometimes I've told you before, I

531
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.679
either have lucid dreams or I have
waking dreams. There's nothing in between for

532
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.639
me. In these dreams where I'm
grinding my teeth in real life, I

533
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:52.239
can in the dream I'm doing something
like that, Like I'm biting down so

534
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.679
hard in the dream that my teeth
ended up cracking and shattering. It goes

535
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.639
into the dream. Yeah, it's
you know, the two things are like

536
00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.000
I used to be so fascinated with
dreams and lucid dreams and all that stuff.

537
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.079
One of the most common ones is
looking into the mirror and seeing all

538
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.239
your teeth fall out. And the
things psychologists think is that that is tied

539
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:16.079
to like for people who are very
caught up on like their own personal appearance,

540
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.719
like aesthetics and everything, like,
that's the thing that people like that

541
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.079
tend to get a lot. Yeah, mine doesn't. They don't just fall

542
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.880
out. It's from when I like
I'm shattering them by biting too hard,

543
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.639
like while I'm on a roller coaster
in my dream. Yeah that sounds,

544
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.599
but then I like it sucks too. I don't know what it is.

545
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.760
It's almost like I get restless legs
syndrome, but it's in my jaw.

546
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.559
Sure, Yeah, that's kind of
also apparently part of TMJ. Sometimes I

547
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.880
need to like clench my jaw,
which, again, visit what I will

548
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.320
help with, But apparently some insurance
can cover it if it's a medical issue.

549
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.880
I now, I want to write
a letter to my insurance and see

550
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.760
if I can get them to give
me fucking five thousand dollars. That'd be

551
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.480
great. Yeah, mine's very much
like if I keep grinding my teeth like

552
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.159
this by the time I'm I don't
know, middle aged, it could be

553
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.280
like even worse. Basically just getting
ahead of things. Yeah you should.

554
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.320
I I really do endorse like getting
them fixed if it ever bothers you or

555
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.920
if it'll medically benefit you. I'm
glad I got them, but I learned

556
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.000
a lot of lessons along the way, and it's that you have to keep

557
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:20.440
that retainer forever. It's painful,
so you have to be able to handle

558
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.440
that, and you can't. You
can't eat cake. I'm not a big

559
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.719
cake guy. Pile, I'm fine
with that. Not a big pie.

560
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.400
I'm less of a pie guy.
I'm not a cake I've had two pies

561
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.400
in my life, maybe like apple
and pumpkin. I think on the same

562
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.880
page there for a second, Dude, I love pie. If I if

563
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.159
I've only had like apple and pumpkin, what's like a go to what's like

564
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.480
the actually, wait, key lime. I've had key lime flavored like jelly

565
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:50.000
bellies and stuff, and they taste
really good and it makes me think I

566
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.320
should eat more key lime pie.
Key lime pie is such good pie.

567
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.199
Here Steve's key lime Pie in Red
Hook, Brooklyn. If you're in the

568
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.480
city, it's worth the trip.
But key lime pie is not like when

569
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.239
I think pies, I think of
Thanksgiving flavors like pumpkin app Dutch ass,

570
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:13.199
Dutch apple christ It's a Dutch ass
Dutch apples apple with the crumbs position like

571
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:20.119
sugar and cinnamon, Dutch ass.
For everyone's carry on item when you come

572
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.280
out to Minnesota, just bring your
favorite pie from where you're from and we

573
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:29.480
can all eat it during game of
I love just like a good like BlackBerry

574
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.440
pie or any when you can get
like a strusle or a crumble on top

575
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.519
sounds good. I love like coffee
cake type stuff. Yes, they have

576
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.360
that pie. Pie is coffee cake
like, basically the stuff on top of

577
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:45.360
coffee cake sprinkled over the apples instead
of crust. Oh, I want that

578
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.000
a thick layer of it. Yeah, that's really good by Keelan. Pie

579
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:53.079
is on real too. Nice.
Anything else going on with you, guys?

580
00:39:53.559 --> 00:40:00.559
Seeing you in a few short weeks
after the game Awards close to I've

581
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.440
been holding. I kind of just
have to take things like one day or

582
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.559
two at a time, just because
I have so much going on right now.

583
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.199
And so as soon as Giant bombs
Game of the ear Zone and I'm

584
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:12.000
back from LA, I'm gonna go
full force on getting things set up for

585
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.880
us here and setting up the table. We got a new area. Yeah,

586
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.559
we'll have a jake here that the
judge will be back. So yeah,

587
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.559
looking forward to getting that all set
up and it'll be ready when you

588
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.280
guys show up. Have you used
this the set that we're going to be

589
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.280
using before. I've not used this
room for any story stuff. No,

590
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.599
I want to use a different room. Yeah, yeah, I got like

591
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.000
a bar that I think would be
fitting for fire Escape, So we'll use

592
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:39.639
the bar. I'll bring my fire
Escape in space sweat shirt, Bring dorky

593
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:46.280
Christmas, Bring all the good merch
excellent, sick. Do you guys want

594
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:51.239
to talk about video games? Yeah? Sure thing. Hey you guys like

595
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.119
trends, right? Yes? My
favorite cool? Well if you search trends.

596
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.840
Learning a new language is only increasing
over time, and there's always a

597
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:04.199
spike in full because it's the perfect
time to pick up a new hobby,

598
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.519
like learning a new language. Mike, you like hobbies learning languages. I

599
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:14.119
love tracking languages. I've been learning
languages for many years. Turns out,

600
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.800
studies from Yale, Michigan State University
others continue to prove Babel is better.

601
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.559
For instance, one study found that
using Babbel for fifteen hours is equivalent to

602
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.280
a full semester at college. We
all travel a lot. I have this

603
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.239
short term dream of going to Mendoza
to have some nice Maulbeck, some cabinet

604
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:31.960
Francs. They're even doing Chardonnays really
well in that part of the world.

605
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.320
Speaking Spanish much better would help me
navigate Argentina of course, and Chile if

606
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.679
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615
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:16.679
you you said minutes hours ago you
just beat Alan Wake two eat two hours

616
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.039
ago. Thank you. Yeah,
it's boy, it's been a ride with

617
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.800
that game. I like a lot
of that game a lot. I think

618
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.079
it's going to be it's definitely gonna
be my top ten of the year.

619
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.000
But there were points during playing it
where I was like, this might be

620
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.400
number two, this could be number
three. Now I think it's gonna go

621
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.880
a little lower. I'll be honest. I fell off a bit by the

622
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:45.519
end or like higher, like it's
dropped. Yeah, yeah, it's I

623
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:51.119
kept thinking of Lost while I was
playing it, and that my relationship with

624
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:53.119
that show was like, I think
this is so interesting, this is so

625
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.039
fascinating. Oh my god, I
can't wait to see where all this stuff

626
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:58.719
goes. And then as it gets
closer to the end, I was kind

627
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.960
of like, Uh, they're never
gonna this stuff up, or it's just

628
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.360
gonna be confusing or whatever, and
then I just kind of fell off Lost.

629
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:06.239
By the end. It was as
I knew I was getting closer to

630
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.840
the end of Allen Wake. It's
not that it doesn't make sense. I

631
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.119
don't want to like it's better than
Lost. I'll say that it's a very

632
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.519
different thing. But yeah, it's
just got that going. No, it's

633
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.360
it is a great game. I
think it is a great video game.

634
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:22.400
I love it. I love the
ideas, I love the tone. I

635
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.159
just think the gameplay kind of keeps
getting in the way. But before I

636
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:28.960
get to that, I was talking
about the story stuff, and I do

637
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:34.239
think by the end, it's just
so much of that. Like, no,

638
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.840
I'm going to talk to the general
this third week talking about it,

639
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.280
But you know, so we're not
still not going to straight up I want

640
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.280
to beat it. Yeah, so
I don't. I'll tread lightly. Yeah,

641
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:45.800
it's it's just by the end,
it's just a lot of like,

642
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.239
Okay, I'm sure if I wanted
to read a big explainer or watch some

643
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.000
you know, YouTube breakdown of what
was happening and what's singing or whatever,

644
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.199
I totally understand. But it is
a lot of like, what's happening in

645
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.320
the dark place, or is this
is this this guy? Or is this

646
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.159
the evil version of that guy?
Or is it It's it's all over the

647
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:07.079
place, and I don't feel like
it has it doesn't have a nice ah

648
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.800
how do I say this? It's
similar to the first one in which the

649
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:14.440
ending was kind of ambiguous and at
the end I was kind of like didn't

650
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.000
really know what happened. You know. I beat this a couple hours ago,

651
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.039
and I was like, a bunch
of stuff happened. It's the production

652
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.199
was incredible, Like I loved the
ride, but I don't really know what

653
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.920
the fuck happened in the end,
you know, And I don't really feel

654
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.639
I'm not someone who beats a game
and has to like watch a million explainers

655
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:31.840
and figure it out, Like I
want the game. If I'm playing a

656
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:36.559
game or watch a movie, I
want to be able to ascertain what happened

657
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:37.639
by the end of it. Try
maybe I was a dumb ass or something.

658
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.679
I don't know, but things that
I thought in the beginning, I

659
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.480
was so enamored with the idea of
the mind place and the plot board and

660
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.679
the stuff like that, Like you
know these places you could go to as

661
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:51.480
Saga and Alan and kind of piece
things together. But then as you go

662
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.840
further in the game, you realize
that's not really this fun metagame that I

663
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.400
thought it was. Like I thought
I was gonna be like piecing together this

664
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.639
mystery and solving this stuff, and
Okay, that goes to that, and

665
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.079
that goes that. In reality,
by the end you realize that, like

666
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:07.239
the plot border, the mind Place
thing is just like, Okay, I'm

667
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:08.480
going to get to a spot in
the story. It's going to add three

668
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.719
pictures that go to a determined spot
that I already know because Saga already knows

669
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.000
it, and I'm I'm just checking
things off. I'm just putting it in

670
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.679
the one place it goes. It's
not a puzzle, it's not a mystery.

671
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.719
It's not problem solving, it's just
kind of busy work it gives you.

672
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.079
I think it's presented in a cool
way. It's better than just like

673
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:28.280
a journal in a Bethesda game or
something like that. But I think I

674
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:30.639
thought it was going to be this
fun thing where I was like solving these

675
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.519
mysteries and putting it together myself.
Where you're just kind of like checking off

676
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.440
along with the story. You know, it's more in a choice than a

677
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.039
functional thing. Yeah, it feels
it's more of a gimmick than I wanted

678
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.199
it to be, I think.
And then yeah, the gameplay getting in

679
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.360
the way. I just you know, the I think there are cool things

680
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.679
like the mechanic of like burning off
the darkness and shooting the weeks. I

681
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.480
mean that was in the original one, but it still feels really good in

682
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.840
this one. But I never got
excited about combat encounters. I feel like

683
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.719
the boss fights some of them were
like interesting from a story perspective, but

684
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.239
rarely from a gameplay perspective. There's
there's a boss for two that I thought

685
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.679
was like kind of cool or clever
gameplay wise, but ultimately it's it's like

686
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:15.119
I have felt with other remedy games
in the past where it's like the style

687
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.840
and the presentation and the production and
the tone are all ten out of ten

688
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.000
and then the gameplay is an eight, you know, which is not bad

689
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.320
by any means, but you know, it's it's not a short game,

690
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.159
you know. I didn't do it
nearly as much as you, Mike.

691
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:32.880
I know, Mike, you like
one hundred percent of it and spent what

692
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.440
forty fifty hour or something like that
right now, like closer to thirty oh

693
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.400
thirty Okay, Yeah, I finished
it. I think around eighteen or something

694
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.119
like that, because especially by the
end, like I was at the beginning,

695
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:45.280
like every time an area would open
up, I'd be like, I

696
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.280
am going to scour every cult stash, I'm going to do every lunch box,

697
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.599
every doll puzzle, all that,
and then even that, like the

698
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:54.440
puzzle quality and stuff, it was
all kind of the same thing where it's

699
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.880
just like, Okay, I got
to figure out what three symbols are here,

700
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.920
I'm going to look around for these
symbols on t or oh, Okay,

701
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.599
I get it. It's a little
number puzzle thing like I didn't find

702
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.239
them particularly clever. And also you
open it up, and here's like a

703
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.599
flare and some AMMO and stuff that, like, you know, I can't

704
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.920
take two of them because I don't
have enough inventory space. And it's just

705
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.400
I never felt like it was worth
it in the end. Even the charms,

706
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.199
like all the charms you get from
the doll puzzles. I found like

707
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.000
three that I thought were decent ish
and I kept them on and then I

708
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:22.639
kept like solving these puzzles and getting
every new charm, being like, okay,

709
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.199
well I'm never using that, put
it right in the shoe box.

710
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:29.239
So I don't know, I just
felt like the rewards weren't there, and

711
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:35.280
the story didn't really go into a
place that I liked or frankly understood.

712
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.159
Yeah, and like the light stuff
with Alan, I didn't like that at

713
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:44.800
all. It's just like there's a
lot like with Alan in particular in his

714
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.320
sections, It's like, Okay,
I don't really understand what's going on the

715
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.519
light thing. I know, I
like hold this into like suck light out

716
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.800
of a thing into my lamp,
and then the place is a little bit

717
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.679
different, but I don't quite know
how to keep track of what's what or

718
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.880
what changed, or it's not reflected
on the map. I found that more

719
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.639
confusing than it was interesting. And
then the plot board stuff with Alan two.

720
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.280
I feel like those areas were pretty
poor, I thought, because it's

721
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.119
just like you walk into a room
and it's like, okay, here's the

722
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:12.440
lobby, and I'll walk around and
talk to people and look at things until

723
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.119
it gives me a different, like
narrative thing, and like, all right,

724
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.199
let's press that button. All right, Now there's a staircase there there

725
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.880
wasn't before. Okay, press it. Now. There's enemies there there wasn't

726
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.519
before. And I don't know,
I just feel like it's a lot of

727
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.519
just like, Okay, what's that, what's that do? What's that do?

728
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.039
Is that the right one? Is
that the right one? Okay?

729
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.400
Now I can do that? And
like these sections where it's like a hotel

730
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.719
or another area where you're just doing
like four of these scene changes and you're

731
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.400
just pressing buttons until it's the right
one. I just don't like that type

732
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.039
of puzzle solving. I don't know
what why, how I keyed in on

733
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.079
it, but every time I was
doing that, yes you want to do

734
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.320
all of them, but I don't
think, yes, there's a right one

735
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.800
that will actually get you to the
next part of the mission. But each

736
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.000
of them, most of the time
I found to have substantial and I'm I

737
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:59.599
was all for the actual environmental storytelling
in that game, So each of those

738
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.920
scenes I had some cool little like
thing to clue me in on what's going

739
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.280
on in that room. But yeah, I definitely think there are parts where

740
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.400
and saying this is someone who did
every puzzle in the game possible. Some

741
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:19.119
of them were really good and clever, others were definitely wrote and I the

742
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.800
most obvious ones if you're not going
out of your way, I think are

743
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:27.800
the weakest ones. Unfortunately, so
I don't I'm not surprised to hear you

744
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.639
say all that either, because I
don't wholeheartedly disagree with you at all.

745
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.840
That game very much. I went
back to I played through the entirety of

746
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.039
Control after that Ultimate edition. I
just wanted to try it on PS five.

747
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:43.599
I also wanted to play the Alan
Wake and the Foundation DLCs, so

748
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.320
I did all that, and I
think a problem I have with both of

749
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.960
those games. And I love Alan
Wake too. It is very high up

750
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.360
my personal game of the Year list. You've all heard me ramble about that

751
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.519
game enough I don't need to go
into that. But for both that and

752
00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:02.280
Control, I will say I agree
with the gameplay in the sense I liked

753
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.239
Alan Wake two's gameplay pretty straight through, but when survival horror games, I

754
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:14.199
enjoy the scavenging and scrounging more than
the combat usually resume before Remake was an

755
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.880
outlier in that sense, But I
think in both that and Control, they

756
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.679
just did not exactly know how to
end, not story wise, like story

757
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.079
wise Alan Wake two. I don't
know if I just kind of gave up

758
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.519
trying to figure it out early enough
where I could just kind of let it

759
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.440
wash over me and not think about
A to B two C plot stuff.

760
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.679
But I enjoyed all of that in
the sense that it was just more about

761
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.679
the vibes of each location and like
certain characters, and like the how I

762
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.039
don't know they say in the interview
in his first interview with mister Door,

763
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.039
Mister Door's like, I'm sure fans
want to know what is It's not a

764
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.119
lake, it's an ocean. Mean, that felt to me like the team

765
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.920
saying like, maybe don't worry about
figuring this out as much. Sure,

766
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.039
But again Control, I was like, oh my god, I forgot.

767
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.559
That's I remember Control ended with that
like meta thing where the credits roll and

768
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.880
then you come back as like the
low least like intern at the office,

769
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.440
and then you're going through like delivering
letters and then you have to like break

770
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.039
out of it after the ashtray mas
is like, Man, I forgot how

771
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.320
bad the pacing is toward the end
of Control. I think Allen Wake two

772
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.320
has a similar patient pacing issue gameplay
wise toward the end. That being said,

773
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:29.639
I still adore that game. Again, I don't know why. Like

774
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.800
I had plenty of trouble with some
of the puzzles, but I think I

775
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.880
don't know. That's the first game
in a while I did not want to

776
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.199
end. That's not to say I
haven't liked a lot of games. I

777
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:42.119
have another game I went back to
that i'll talk about on this episode that

778
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.840
I am enjoying way more than I
thought I would. But like, I

779
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.599
really was disappointed with that end when
that ended, because I wanted more of

780
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.000
it, which doesn't often happen.
As I think you two can probably relate

781
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.840
with how many games we play,
And that's that's very much like a games

782
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:01.159
writer problem. It's not really a
real problem, but like often I just

783
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.079
find myself satisfied and I'm like,
okay, good, now I can get

784
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.719
to this other game that Dan and
Mary have been talking about, so like

785
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:12.639
let's move on. But I was
the opposite in that, Like by the

786
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.039
end, like the last couple hours, I was in full on, like

787
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:16.800
all right, I didn't come this
far to not finish it, but I'm

788
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.360
kind of not enjoying it as much. So like I was full on,

789
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.360
just like I come upon a cult
stash and I would just google like Sheriff

790
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.280
Station, cult stash whatever, you
know, Like I did not care about,

791
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.639
you know, trying at that point. I just I was trying to

792
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.679
get through it to that point because
if I was not doing it for a

793
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:35.239
living, I would probably have stopped
playing it at a certain point. Is

794
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.480
this in your top ten? How
that thing? I don't want to sound

795
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.480
negative here. Everything I said on
the previous episodes I stand by, like

796
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.880
I except for me giving a lot
of praise to the mind place the plot

797
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.360
board stuff, because like that was
misplaced. I thought that was going to

798
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:51.320
be better than it was. But
everything about the tone you know that we

799
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:52.599
sing thing, even as much as
that was hyped up to me, I

800
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:57.920
really think that delivered and that's a
very unique moment. I loved the tone

801
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.079
everything I said about it, like
it is a very funny game, and

802
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.320
I think that's such a hard thing
to pull off, Like there there are

803
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.079
great things this game is doing.
If I if I was a game and

804
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:08.800
former, still I would give this
a You know, this is a solid

805
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:15.360
eight. At least it's an eight, I would say. And yeah,

806
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:16.039
so like I'm trying to think,
like top ten of the year. I'm

807
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:21.000
looking at my list right now.
It was number three before I just moved

808
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.079
it. Give it like it might
even go lower than whatever you have it

809
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:31.360
at now, but give it time. You just needed a few hours ago.

810
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.480
I don't have to tell you how
to judge things, because that was

811
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:40.199
that. Several of my top five
games I didn't really know would be in

812
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.679
my top five until I went back
to them or I was just like they

813
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:47.679
they lingered in my memory more like
ellen Wick two was just but like just

814
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:51.000
stuck around. It was only in
October. Wasn't that long ago that I

815
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.400
played it? But yeah, no, I don't really wholeheardly disagree with anything

816
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.280
you're saying. I mean, come, game of the year conversations. I

817
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.679
might like push back on some of
those, but none of them are out

818
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:07.599
of rest field. I want to
make clear. I know that was all

819
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:08.840
negative that I just said, but
I want to make it very clear.

820
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.599
And now, I did really enjoy
this game, and I really appreciate the

821
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:15.719
things that's doing, and it is
doing some things better than pretty much every

822
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.360
game out there. So I'm going
to try again. I'm going to try

823
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:24.679
again trying stop or fall off completely. I just get so frustrated with it

824
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:31.599
because I get stuck. I had
an incident. This was from before the

825
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:36.840
last time we played, but I
think it's a good explanation, so I'll

826
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:43.320
tell you anyway. The derailed train
area. Yeah, it's the one where

827
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.519
you have to go into your mind
palace and visit the place and then apply

828
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.320
the right plot to the place in
order to change it. Yeah, Cults

829
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.159
of the Tree or whatever. Yeah, the ritual and the yeah. Yeah

830
00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.320
yeah. So I was at the
derailed train and I didn't I I only

831
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:08.239
had the plot point of the detective
and I kept applying it and unapplying it,

832
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.840
and I couldn't get passed. And
then I was like I must have

833
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.679
missed something. I'll just check the
guide, right, No shame in that

834
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.599
game, the guide helps you get
through it. Do it. So I

835
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:27.639
checked the guide and the guide was
like, apply the cult plot to the

836
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.159
train, and I was like,
what cult plot? And it turns out

837
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:37.119
fifteen minutes earlier, I missed an
area that would have given me a plot

838
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.559
point, and so I had to
go all the way back. But what

839
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:44.320
I thought was frustrating about this is
is that the game, if you hit

840
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.679
a button, it tells you what
your goals are for that area. The

841
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.519
goal of the area was to solve
the cult. Not helpful. And then

842
00:55:53.320 --> 00:56:00.239
if you wait, the Alan tells
you a hint. And so so I'm

843
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.599
walking around trying to figure out what
to do and Alan goes, I think

844
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:09.199
I have to be in my mind
area to solve this, and so I

845
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.199
was like, oh my god,
I'm just doing it wrong. And so

846
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:19.000
I'm looking in my plot board and
I'm applying the same goddamn thing and it's

847
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:24.159
not working. The game didn't understand
to tell me that I had missed a

848
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:30.039
plot point that I needed, and
so to me, although I am a

849
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.760
bit of a dummy and I understand
that, like I probably should have looked

850
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:37.840
for those plot points harder. It
frustrated me that the game knew enough to

851
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.480
tell me that I was trying to
solve a cult, and it knew enough

852
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.000
to tell me that if I attributed
a plot that it would change the scene

853
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.159
that would help me get through,
it would open the door. And it

854
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.880
knew enough to tell me that I
needed to be in the mind palace to

855
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:53.719
do it. It didn't know to
tell me that it didn't have a crucial

856
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:58.280
piece that was fifteen minutes previous,
and so I had to go back and

857
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.119
do it. There's this spot for
that type of help, because like I

858
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.800
think this is on one end where
it's like, okay, give me something

859
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.400
if I've just been walking in circles
for ten minutes, fucking throw me a

860
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.559
bone here, And then on the
other end it is like got exactly,

861
00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:15.760
dad, what if you three year
ash of that thing? It's like okay,

862
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:21.760
second exactly. Yeah, Like there's
a sweet spot and sometimes really well

863
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.199
or or just give it to give
it a you know, L three or

864
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.800
something will like point you what game
was that that was? That actually kind

865
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.000
of where that like points you in
the right direction if you like L three

866
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:37.039
or something, maybe that's like the
visible thing. But I'd wait, which

867
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.719
one are you talking about? You
you press in and you like look toward

868
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.880
where you're supposed to. I think, even though I give got a warship

869
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:45.159
for this, I think I want
to say it was that that you could

870
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.840
either turn on or it is on
by default if you hit like L three,

871
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.840
that it would just kind of like
orient the camera in the general direction

872
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:53.599
of the next thing, And like
that was kind of a nice like,

873
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:57.519
Okay, yeah, this level here, just tell the kid to shut the

874
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:00.239
fuck up, gotcha. I think
it's just nice. I don't know if

875
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.079
I really enjoy when a third party
is telling me what to do. I

876
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.360
find that to be an interesting trigger
for me. When Alan does it,

877
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.039
I'm like, that's me. I'm
allowed to do that. But in Zelda,

878
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.199
if I'm fighting a boss and I
get hit and the person next to

879
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.559
me is like, you can't take
any more of those, and I'm like,

880
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:24.199
bitch, shut the fuck up.
I know I don't need you to

881
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.639
tell me that I shouldn't take hits
from a boss. I don't like that.

882
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.960
Yeah, do you hate that more? What's worse a character telling you

883
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:38.239
that, or like a pop up
like tooltip, being like, then they're

884
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:43.920
both miserable. But I honestly think
there's something about a sidekick or an assistant

885
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:51.440
that is inadvertently belittling me by explaining
basic mechanics that absolutely right pisses me off.

886
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.400
And it's it's interesting. I've seen
it more. It's happening more and

887
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.960
more with games where you have like
a little buddy with you, you have

888
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.000
a you have a friend. Anytime
they tell me what to you and I

889
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:06.239
already knew it. I don't like
that character anymore. They ruin that character,

890
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.039
don't tell me stuff. I need
you at least it's like the developers

891
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:14.360
kind of Okay, you can hate
me, I'll gonna I'm an ambiguous thing.

892
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.480
But if it's my it's my friend. That's it literally just happened to

893
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.960
me. I was just playing Zelda
uh and and and taking down one of

894
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:28.119
the four bosses, and I remember
someone being like, you're gonna have to

895
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:30.039
really watch out for that that next
time, and it's just like, I

896
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:35.960
find hate you. I'm in the
middle of a boss by it, I

897
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.320
don't need you here tell me what
to do. If it paused and said

898
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.400
like, uh, you know,
watch your health I'd be like, all

899
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.000
right, they know that you died
and that's the tooltip. Yeah. Yes,

900
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.960
there's just something really irritating about my
sidekick. It's a shame because sometimes

901
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.440
Alan Wait can actually do that well
where it's like there was one time I

902
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.320
sawd one of those doll puzzles and
I went to go walk away, and

903
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.400
Saga said to herself like, I
shouldn't leave those dolls. I might need

904
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.000
them later, and it's like,
oh, right, I totally left those.

905
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.360
They're like because that would have been
a thing where I just fucked myself

906
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.159
over and it saved me that.
But like, puzzle solutions are a different

907
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:14.760
thing, I think again though,
Like yet, sometimes like when you talk

908
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.159
to yourself, who am I getting
mad at? I am Alan right?

909
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.280
Like if Allan is like I need
it for I probably should be doing this

910
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:27.679
in the plot board. That doesn't
bother me. That's me sure, it's

911
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.519
a person. It's this is an
interesting there's probably some kind of like psychoanalysis

912
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.199
here, like reminds me of like
a little sister being like maybe you should

913
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.519
try not getting hit and it's like
I fucking hate you, shut up,

914
01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:44.679
fuck up. There is something irritating
about a buddy doing it, whereas like

915
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.159
when it's my character or the game
design telling me it doesn't, it doesn't

916
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:52.360
give me that level of rage.
It's interesting, Yeah, it's interesting lay

917
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.639
down on a couch and talk about
this. I don't want to transition to

918
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:00.000
another game, and yet I have
a good transition because this actually applies to

919
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.199
a game I went back to from
this year. But Mary, do you

920
01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:06.320
have any other thoughts in ELM Wake
two? Actually I do have a question.

921
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:07.800
We talked about this last time we
spoke about ellen Wai two. But

922
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.039
were you streaming when you missed that
plot thing? I was not. Oh,

923
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.280
I was streaming the first time.
Yeah, yeah, said you're gonna

924
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.880
try it. I've tried it without
and I would say I liked it better

925
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:24.559
without streaming because I didn't feel the
pressure. But that part of getting stuck

926
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:30.440
on the derailed train was totally by
myself, and I even had a guide,

927
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.639
and I like, I honestly know
that what you're talking about an extra

928
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:40.079
punch to the gut that I couldn't
with the that's like burnt with the burnt

929
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.960
bodies on it. Yes, yes, there's a part later when you're backtracking

930
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:50.480
through that section that I got hung
up on for like ten minutes because one

931
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:52.960
of the doors on the subway train, I was supposed to walk in the

932
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:55.320
back door and then out of front
door. Yep, the door was not

933
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:59.599
opened that wide. And like,
based on everything I had learned about the

934
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.519
game and all the sense of like
movement I had gotten the game, I

935
01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.559
was like, that door does not
look wide enough for me to go through.

936
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.519
But it was I was like,
Oh, that was the door they

937
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:10.000
didn't like. That game is so
good in other cases about lighting the right

938
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:13.559
areas to kind of like, you
know, subtly nudge you. I was

939
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.400
like, oh man, they blew
that. I got stuck there too.

940
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.800
I know that that was so cathartic
because it's like, oh wait, but

941
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.599
how do I get back to the
ritual scene in the first part if that

942
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.719
wall is there and I don't have
the light to go back to the lamp.

943
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.119
So like again, in some ways, I was clicking with the game

944
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.079
for whatever reason, but other times
I'm like, it's I don't know,

945
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:38.039
Like it was a door. After
that, after the subway, there's a

946
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:43.639
door and there's no light on the
door. Yeah, And I just thought

947
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:49.760
it was a wall and I went
I didn't open the door. But yeah,

948
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.159
I don't know, Like if you
don't, if you're not, if

949
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.079
you're bouncing off, but there's no
nothing making you. I want to do

950
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:58.559
it. You guys both really like
it. I want to. I want

951
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:01.760
to finish it. It's it's just
a struggle for me. Every time I

952
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:05.519
play, I feel like it takes
me three hours to do something that it

953
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:08.199
probably took you twenty minutes. It
makes me feel really stupid. No,

954
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.320
I don't, I don't. There's
games I don't like. I just don't

955
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.719
jibe with. I don't know Ellen
wait two for I really don't. I

956
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.119
maybe if I replayed it, I
would be able to tell you why.

957
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:23.639
I'm like, I feel like it's
I'm it's on this like the right wavelength,

958
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:25.760
I guess might be the right phrase. But there's a lot of murder

959
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.119
in it. There's other games like
Forbidden West, this game that was made

960
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:36.719
for a pretty wide audience. I'd
say honestly, there are points where like

961
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.320
a looe actually helped me out by
speaking out loud, which I did not

962
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:42.400
appreciate, but it still he took
my right hand and then I'm going to

963
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.960
wrap the fingers around this hand hold
and then I'm gonna put my left hand

964
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:50.920
up and grab this. Yeah,
speaking of a game that I actually think

965
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:55.000
hits a good sweet spot with puzzle
solving, I went back to Star Wars

966
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:01.559
Jedi Survivor. I actually think I
I'm gonna kind of admit I. I

967
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.079
know I'm not gonna admit I'd have
to go back and listen to the episode.

968
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.599
I'm not going to, but I
would have to. I know the

969
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.599
conversations I was happening with Polygon people. I think on fire Escape, I

970
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.840
talked about doing the Coruscant intro and
then really just bouncing off the game feeling

971
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:20.400
like the same thing. I went
back and granted they have updated the game

972
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.920
quite a lot, it's actually not
like broken on PIECE. I'm not playing

973
01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.360
on PC, but several people at
work have told me it runs really well

974
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.320
in PC. It's still not perfect
on PS five where I'm playing it.

975
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:34.320
Uh if I find that if I
don't close the like close the game when

976
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.159
I'm done with it, as opposed
to I almost every time I'm i'm turning

977
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:40.960
my PS five off, I put
it in rest mode, but I keep

978
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.760
the game up. Yeah, Star
Wars, I find that it starts to

979
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.480
have random pop in on the edge
of the screen. Sometimes, like after

980
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:53.880
I uh press pause to unpause the
game, the world will not be loaded

981
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.480
for a half second, even though
cal is there the main character. But

982
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:00.480
I find that if anybody's ha problems
like that, I have found that actually

983
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.000
closing the app before I reloaded,
as long as you're at a meditation,

984
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.079
say point, has helped me for
what it's worth. But man, for

985
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.599
a game that on paper I should
not like, I'm really digging this game.

986
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.000
It's way bigger than I thought it
is. And that's not that that's

987
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:24.199
in and of itself a good thing. Also, and I say this having

988
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:28.800
edited many stories about Jedi Survivor.
For some reason, no one has really

989
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:34.400
sold it to me. Is as
a just full fledged, several open world

990
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:40.480
three D platformer. Obviously, he
had wall running, he had Uncharted esque

991
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:45.280
climbing and Assassin's Creed climbing in the
first game. But holy shit, Respawn

992
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.840
goes all out with just dumb Arcadie
platforming in this game that I did not

993
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:57.519
really see in Coruscant. You go
to Cobo, I say I shouldn't like

994
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:02.079
it on paper, because I get
pretty exhausted and borderline overwhelmed with that.

995
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:09.119
I think Naughty Dog tried coining the
term open linear with Uncharted four. You

996
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:13.199
know those such lust legacy with those
like mini open worlds. Gears of War

997
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:20.280
did that right, yours had like
those two worlds or the chapters? Yeah,

998
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:26.199
yeah, I oddly enough, And
the first world you go to after

999
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:30.199
Corroussant is fucking massive. It's the
size of like Jack and Dexter the first

1000
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.719
game by itself. I don't know
that for a fact, but like it

1001
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:45.960
feels huge. I am really enjoying
how they make use of these big mini

1002
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:49.079
open worlds. The platforming gets really
fucking good, Like, yeah, sure,

1003
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.239
it's a lot of uncharted like finding
the ledge to jump on, but

1004
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:58.039
they vary it so much. By
the time you're like three hours in,

1005
01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.920
I'm like, okay, I could
wall run that, but then how do

1006
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.280
I keep wall running if I don't? Oh, I could just jump off

1007
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.519
and then he is the Jedi flip
so I can go back to the wall.

1008
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.320
It's like, I might as well
be fucking Spider Man in some of

1009
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:12.480
these not flying or gliding. Yet
they could add that in in this game

1010
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:14.519
and I would not be surprised.
I don't think they do. But my

1011
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:19.400
point being like they're evolving the platforming
so often alongside the combat and the lightsaber

1012
01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:23.960
stances you get. They call them
stances, but they're really just new lightsabers.

1013
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.360
Those all feel different. There's a
fucking he holds a lightsaber in one

1014
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:31.159
hand and a blaster in the other. That's a fun stance. Then you

1015
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:36.480
get the crossguard, like the Kylo
Ren thing. I also will be the

1016
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:42.960
first to say I have fallen off
Star Wars hard in this mcu ification of

1017
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.239
Star Wars. Well, you said
that Last Jedi went too woke for you,

1018
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.159
So yeah, I like those movies. I went back. I did

1019
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.400
not like Rise of Skywalker. No, that one sounds I liked Last yet

1020
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.559
me too. I did not like
it first time, then I went back.

1021
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:01.400
I got over the publicly you say
that, but yeah, yeah,

1022
01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:06.960
yeah, but I kind of like
that Jedi surrivors doing so much of its

1023
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.800
own story. Like sure, Saga
Era gets mentioned a lot. There are

1024
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:14.239
certain Jedi that get nod like.
You don't need to know that to enjoy

1025
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.279
what this game is doing. But
it's just fucking like, can I give

1026
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:20.760
you the synopsis of the plot that
I it's not a spoiler, but I

1027
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:25.399
just I didn't read the Wikipedia article
enough, And again I edited our review.

1028
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.479
I loved our review from our freelancer, Todd Harper. I loved a

1029
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:31.640
lot of stories we put up about
it. But again, if one of

1030
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.399
you was speaking to me and trying
to sell me on this game hypothetically,

1031
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:36.800
I think you would know that,
like, oh, it's in like a

1032
01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:43.600
really good three D platformer in a
time when those are not those are few

1033
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.279
and far between, I'd be like, oh cool. People always tell this

1034
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.920
to me as these souls like Star
Wars, I actually like how much they've

1035
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.840
eased off the souls like stuff like, yes, you still respawn enemies when

1036
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:58.079
you meditate. You're still spending skill
points at these meditation points to like get

1037
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.439
a new lightsaberability force ability, survival, like health increase, whatever. But

1038
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:06.800
yeah, in terms of a three
D platform or in which there are a

1039
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:13.399
lot of collectibles, collectible might not
even be the right word, because I

1040
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:16.720
have I'm again I can't. The
first planet I went to says I'm only

1041
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:20.439
thirty six percent complete, and then
the second one, Jetta the Desert Planet,

1042
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:27.159
says I'm forty and all of those
collectibles I'm getting are like increased life

1043
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:32.960
stems like uh estesplasks. I'm getting
new abilities from these, like the really

1044
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.319
hard to reach meditation points that are
like, oh, I really had to

1045
01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:41.079
think my way around this jungle gym
of a three D platforming section. Those

1046
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.600
are actually giving me cool new things, like oh, now I can mind

1047
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:49.319
control giant animals to fight with me
in certain fights. I'm it is just

1048
01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:55.520
so well paced, even which it's
it strikes me as being even more difficult.

1049
01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:59.359
And it's more impressive to me that
it's well paced considering the first world

1050
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.560
you get to after Corroissant is the
size of many video games. Like I

1051
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.920
read something saying, hey, you'll
probably enjoy the game more if you leave

1052
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:09.800
that planet sooner rather than trying one
hundred percent it, And I'm very much

1053
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:14.319
a person that feels like I need
one hundred percent that stuff. It's just

1054
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:19.960
like it feels like they are Respawn
had way more fun making this than they

1055
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:24.439
did Fallen Order. Fallen Order felt
too like serious and committed to the dark

1056
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:29.920
souls bit. This is like Uncharted, and the plot itself is like Indiana

1057
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.520
Jones. They found out about this
mythical planet where they could potentially escape to

1058
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.640
to get away from the Empire,
and then it becomes a race, like

1059
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.000
a quote unquote race you're not actually
you could take your time in the game,

1060
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:40.760
but like you know what I mean. Plot wise, it's a race

1061
01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.720
to reach this planet and you're finding
like this one key that leads you to

1062
01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:46.319
what might as well be the Holy
Grail, and that leads you to the

1063
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:51.560
arc Atic Covenant. It's just like
they lean way more into the uncharted in

1064
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:57.039
space aspects than they did the Dark
Souls like aspect. Like I'm not saying

1065
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.319
you'll play it and you'll it'll be
in your top ten, but I am

1066
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:06.439
just like I'm hooked in a way
that I think this game nails that God

1067
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:15.359
of War Ragnarok, Last of Us
Resonubal four, like third person action adventure

1068
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.079
where you're going off the beaten path
to get collectibles and upgrading your character pretty

1069
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:28.039
consistently. Weirdly enough, the pacing
here and the tone and the whole reason

1070
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.560
I initially mentioned it, the way
that they treat puzzles. If you take

1071
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:35.760
like six or seven minutes in one
spot, this option will come up this

1072
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:40.399
thing say like do you want to
hint from BEADI the droid on your back,

1073
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.960
and it'll just be a quick thing. It's like hold left to basically

1074
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.119
say fuck off, no, I'm
gonna figure this out, or hold right,

1075
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.319
and bed will be just be like
he'll highlight something for you without telling

1076
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:54.840
you that I appreciate because they're not
talking down to me. It's not a

1077
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.560
character annoy me. Bede can't fucking
speak English or any human language for that

1078
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.479
matter, because I think it's binary
something more wise. But he's also cute

1079
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.960
as hell. I will be the
first to say, I just I'm getting

1080
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:11.960
from this game what I wanted to
get from Ragnarok in many ways. And

1081
01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:15.000
I know that's a weird comparison and
may be unfair, but yeah, I

1082
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:21.800
didn't bounce off this game back in
May. I think I just either was

1083
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:26.439
getting ready for Zelda or went back
to Zelda. I'd have to look at

1084
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.600
the timeline, but it wasn't that
I just like super hated the intro section.

1085
01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:34.720
But once this game opens up,
it is just if you find time

1086
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.960
to maybe give it a few more
hours and just see if you're like Dan,

1087
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:44.239
I could especially see you liking the
platforming because it just becomes platforming puzzles

1088
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:45.640
left and right in these open worlds, and they're chalk full of them,

1089
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:49.920
so like it's even on par with
like you're finding collectibles consistently, like Mary,

1090
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.039
not say you might not find some
liking it, but like Dan,

1091
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.800
you're platforming background. I feel like
maybe that's the way to sell it to

1092
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.159
you that no one has said,
no, You've already sold me on it,

1093
01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:01.439
because I was just thinking about this
whole time you were talking about it,

1094
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.239
like why did I not really play
that? And I think it's because

1095
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:09.199
I played it on PC, and
early on I think it was actually like

1096
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.800
pre release, we were super fucking
broken. I would just load it up

1097
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.640
and it would just break the sound
on my computer, and it's like,

1098
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:16.920
okay, well I got to restart
my computer, and I said, like

1099
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:18.920
maybe I'll get back to this,
you know, when they fixed it.

1100
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.359
And then like a couple months later
I thought about it and I was like,

1101
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:25.279
ah, I was able to play
kind of some of that very very

1102
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.399
early stuff, and like this just
seems like, you know, kind of

1103
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:30.760
boilerplate, you know, Big Triple, a expensive game thing, and I

1104
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.159
never really thought about it again.
But now that you're like got a powerful

1105
01:13:33.159 --> 01:13:36.920
computer, I just beat Alan Wake, which was the last one where I

1106
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:39.880
was like, I got to make
sure I get this done before Game of

1107
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.039
the Year talks. So now it's
like, I don't really have an obvious

1108
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.079
thing I'm jumping to. I might
as well try to get some time in

1109
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:47.920
that. I actually just looked up
while we were talking if it runs well

1110
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:50.680
on Steam deck, because I got
the plate to LA and back. But

1111
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:55.399
it seems like it's not quite there
yet. So I think they just released

1112
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:58.479
the patch to make it run well
on PC like a few weeks ago or

1113
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.520
in like October or something. So
my plan is I will try to place

1114
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.640
some of that at least at least
a few hours a bit between now and

1115
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.800
Game of the Year on my home
PC. You will also, quick aside,

1116
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:12.960
be happy to hear that I think
I want to download Shadow gambit for

1117
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:17.000
the flight. Yeah to l acause
come up a few times. I think

1118
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.479
I was hearing Tam talk about it
today. Yeah, did Tam finally play

1119
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:26.159
it? I want to to texted
him before my wedding be like did you

1120
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.520
play Shadow game yet? Because I
need to talk to about it because TAM's

1121
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:32.399
like the biggest dishonored geek ever,
and this is just isometric dishonored with different

1122
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:36.439
team members with Supernatural. Yeah,
I think it was Hamley, and I

1123
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:39.159
made a note to be like,
all right, well ship, now that

1124
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.960
I'm going to be done with Alan
way becaus probably like whatever I can to

1125
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:45.359
get some other stuff in before Game
of the Year and then yeah, Stea

1126
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:49.039
but no Steam Deck. People have
said it's great on Steam Deck. I

1127
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:53.119
haven't. I've just been playing my
PC. But I would imagine like any

1128
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.399
tactical action game would be great on
there. But that's all to say.

1129
01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.760
Back to the Star Wars I I
will download that after this podcast tonight,

1130
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.159
downloaded overnight and here and there if
I can find an hour or two,

1131
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.560
I will try to play them,
just so I can at least speak to

1132
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:06.479
it, because I know it's tough
when it's like, you know, when

1133
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:10.960
you're you're feeling strong about a game
and folks haven't really played a lot of

1134
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:13.840
it, like like Mary for example. So let's say I just talked about

1135
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:15.760
you know, Mike talked about a
shadow game bit in Star Wars, and

1136
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:17.800
I would like to get some time
in that. Is there a game for

1137
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:21.079
you that you feel like that you
want to really go for a Game of

1138
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:24.960
the Year that maybe we haven't played
that much that we could download and get

1139
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.039
ready. That's a really good question. I would probably want to like load

1140
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.880
up our goaty categories and make sure
we're all on the same page. I

1141
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:36.000
think that the things that, without
getting too spoilery in Game of the Year,

1142
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:41.079
I feel like most of the things
that I feel really strongly about I've

1143
01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.079
asked you to play, and so
if you were if you did not play

1144
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.880
them, there's a good reason,
and I shouldn't push it anymore. I

1145
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:53.479
should tell you which one is,
just like you know, the ones that

1146
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.159
would be like high like on your
top five is. You don't have to

1147
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.960
give order or anything, obviously,
but I just want to make sure that

1148
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:02.520
we played them. Yeah, there's
definitely some indies, so you know,

1149
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:11.399
I'm gonna I'm gonna be advocating hard
for Cocoon, Dredge, Dave the Diver.

1150
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:17.039
Probably. I'm trying to think of
like other really strong ones where I

1151
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:20.119
will like go out of my way
to be like, you guys should be

1152
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:23.760
playing this, but you played all
of those you just mentioned. I'm like,

1153
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:25.880
I love that, I love that. I love Yeah, yeah,

1154
01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:30.960
say trying to think of, Like
there's anything else that I'll like be really

1155
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:36.760
intense about like I was, I
had like a Sea of Star's moment,

1156
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:41.000
and then I think, I like, Uh, I don't know if I

1157
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:46.920
feel as strongly after like getting further
in it. I still really encourage people

1158
01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:51.159
to play it, uh if they
really like that style of game. But

1159
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.800
it's a huge time commitment like some
of these games. It's like, I'm

1160
01:16:56.840 --> 01:17:00.760
not asking anyone to be a fifty
hour, seventy hours our game in two

1161
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:03.960
weeks before we had to go see
each other. Well, yeah, I

1162
01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:06.319
wouldn't. I wouldn't ask you to
like beat a game, but I definitely

1163
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:12.159
at least like give you the chance
to have AMMO against me or with me.

1164
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.560
Well, I think let me,
let me let me throw one out,

1165
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:18.800
great example, Dan, you should
be more prepared to talk about Balder's

1166
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:30.439
Gate chance. I tried it again
when it came out. I try,

1167
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:34.319
Yeah, that has I don't want
to like spoil too much of our game

1168
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:40.399
of their conversation. I'm sure that
you've got big balders Gate three fans that

1169
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:43.079
are gonna be sitting in that room
with you and I. Honestly, I

1170
01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:45.600
think I don't want to speak for
him. Jake might be the biggest of

1171
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:48.399
US three. I can't look.
Did Jake go to Belgium? I don't

1172
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:54.560
think so. So you shot your
documentary or whatever you did, that was

1173
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:59.920
jan right. I'm not gonna argue. I'm never gonna say there's anything wrong

1174
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:01.840
with Balder's Gate. That's that's a
work one thing. That's fine. I

1175
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:06.880
wouldn't expect you to like that's also
like I honestly you would probably yeah that

1176
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:12.640
It's just I think we're getting into
Gody territory. But I asked me a

1177
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.840
question, and my answer is is
you should play Balderskate three. And that's

1178
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:19.279
all I'm gonna say about it.
Can I beat it in if I have

1179
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:27.399
like four three hours? And the
okay you asked that's my answer. How

1180
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.600
you deal with that answer is your
people feel about it, and they like

1181
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.319
it a lot. Have you guys
done the thing yet when we're not recording.

1182
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:36.399
Maybe when recording, when you're kind
of like going through and trying to

1183
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:42.479
figure out who each which, what
each person on fire Escape staffs? Number

1184
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:46.279
one is I've thought not as much, number one, but like I'll look

1185
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.880
at the big games and I'll be
like, oh, I think that's actually

1186
01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:50.840
going to do really well with the
three of us. Or I'll look at

1187
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:54.159
a game and be like, yeah, the two of us love this game,

1188
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:56.079
and I think the third is not
super hot on it. Like I

1189
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:58.880
I've thought of it that way,
I've I've like just done it. I

1190
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:00.920
was talking I think I was talking
to the other day because I was talking

1191
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:05.880
about Polygons, which as of this
episode, well if you're listening, the

1192
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:14.119
polygons will be up on the the
fifth Tuesday. I was just thinking about

1193
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:18.039
ours, and I was telling Amanda
my I it's a I officially gave Amanda

1194
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:23.119
my guesses for each per each of
your number ones. Okay, if we

1195
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.199
don't even make a facial reaction,
can you get can you give us your

1196
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.319
guesses for each of us? Mary, we had a stone face. Don't

1197
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:35.800
sell it honestly. Oh shit,
mhm, Dan, I think you'll be

1198
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:42.880
Tears of the Kingdom. Jake is
tough because I know he really likes Allen

1199
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.479
Wake two, but I think I
would still go Balder's Gay three with Jake.

1200
01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:56.720
Mary, You're tough. I think
squirrel shit candy Shop done. Do

1201
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:00.880
you have to explain that? No, just keep talking about it. You

1202
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:03.800
love it, he keeps, he
keeps editing, So all right, now

1203
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:08.640
we have to do this. Every
time we do this show, we write

1204
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.960
the games that we want to talk
about down so I'll get it's our run

1205
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:15.479
of show. And Dan keeps updating
the games under me to games that I

1206
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:24.319
didn't play. Last last games episode
you put fart smelling simulator that act that

1207
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:30.000
was not me four and then this
one you put Frog with a lisp.

1208
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:35.079
It's see I Poopsie the game and
squirrel Ship Candy Shop that is. Those

1209
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.640
aren't even They're great. They're bursting
out of the Portland indie game scene.

1210
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:54.920
All three play scrolls. They're big
on whatever. It's not I out loud.

1211
01:20:54.960 --> 01:21:02.520
I've said it before in my youth. Mary, you're I from I

1212
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:11.039
would also that's you. Mary.
You're between I think Balder's Gate and Zelda.

1213
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.239
None of this is gonna like if
I guess right, you're not gonna

1214
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:18.359
like move it to spite me,
right. We discussed having and I yeah,

1215
01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:23.800
no, we're not gonna Zelda.
I think there was a I think

1216
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.680
I told Amana initially maybe like Dredge, because you really fucking like Dredge and

1217
01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:30.079
that's high up my list, and
like I could see that being a very

1218
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:34.680
merry ass number one in a good
way. But I still think you'd either

1219
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:44.880
go Balder's Gate or Zelda, and
I would probably say you're Balder's Gate.

1220
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:47.800
So we'll see. I will say
this is going into it. I think

1221
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:53.399
this is easily the most exciting game
of the year, like that specific category,

1222
01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:56.279
like the number one thing that we've
ever had because Haities we didn't even

1223
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.119
talk about because we all knew elden
Ring. I mean, come on,

1224
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:02.119
it was gonna be olden Ring.
I was going to push for Vampire Survivors,

1225
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:05.279
but yeah, Returnal was what else
was that year that That took a

1226
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:09.680
bit of convincing, But like I
think we all that was when we really

1227
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:16.520
started to realize that where our tastes
coalesce are like Action robelike aside from Vampire

1228
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:18.880
Survivors, but that was so out
of the will. We all liked that

1229
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:24.319
game, but I think it was
more elden Ring. Yeah, Returnal,

1230
01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:29.399
I think took a bit to get
there. Looking at other ones that year

1231
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:35.439
were uh Ari Village, Inscription,
metrod Grig. The year before that,

1232
01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.319
oh that was launch year, so
that would be Yeah, yeah, that

1233
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:43.520
was the Playroom one. Yeah,
that was Halo Infinite hit Me three,

1234
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:45.880
Wilder Myth, Chickory and Death.
That was when I was just banging the

1235
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:53.159
Wilder Myth drum. Oh yeah,
it could be a lot of different things.

1236
01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:58.079
Well, I feel like there's like
three it could realistically be for us

1237
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:02.760
and during since see where that goes. I think those three games will show

1238
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.079
up on a lot of sites like
top fives as well, if not their

1239
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:13.119
top three. But like I will
say, and I've talked to people at

1240
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:17.159
work about this, this is okay. Yes, elder Ring last year was

1241
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:20.960
absolutely incredible, Like in terms of
like the Triple A game, especially the

1242
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:24.319
shit they did that with that is
incredible. However, in terms of the

1243
01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:29.399
number of games this year, where
like Triple A, big budget studios did

1244
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:34.199
something cool, fucking Nintendo made like
the most revered series ever into an open

1245
01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:41.880
world immersive sim with like cheat codes
built into it, Balder's Gate three,

1246
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:46.680
Larry and just made the most in
depth also just like wide RPG CRPG.

1247
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:51.000
Ever, this old genre that like
by all accounts, probably should not have

1248
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:57.920
made nearly as much money, got
as much popularity as it should, even

1249
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:01.359
like say what you will about,
like how how much you would gravitate towards

1250
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.520
Spider Man two. I still think
it's impressing what they did with two playable

1251
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:10.279
characters and swapping between the Alla GTA
five, what Gotham Knights was trying to

1252
01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:14.000
do sort of. There's a few
other examples of stand and then Allen Wake

1253
01:24:14.039 --> 01:24:15.920
two, just a sequel that could
not have been weirder. And again,

1254
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:20.159
the more budget that Remedy gets,
they're still maintaining that weird, like underground

1255
01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:24.479
feel to their games, which I
love. Like this game, despite or

1256
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:29.640
this year, despite a lot of
I don't want to like. It's been

1257
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.760
a rough period for games industry lately
with layoffs and stuff that is that sucks

1258
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:38.479
the way that they're rebounding after you
know, over promising after COVID and whatnot.

1259
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:41.479
But I will say design wise,
I think a lot. It's like

1260
01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:47.960
heartening to see so many big Triple
A, like these household names trying these

1261
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:55.279
cool, bold things, which is
Yeah. I'm also very excited for the

1262
01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:59.000
show this year. It should be
very interesting. I'm looking at I think

1263
01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:01.119
I've got my top ten kind of
locked in unless things kind of ship for

1264
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:04.119
the next couple of weeks, but
may shock you that five of them are

1265
01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:10.159
first party Nintendo so shocked. Yeah, I'm rooting for the little guy,

1266
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:18.399
you know. Yeah yeah, Wait, Mike trying to I've got he's he's

1267
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.640
doing his I know it always got. What are the three you got?

1268
01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:26.359
I'm not going to confirm or deny. Here's the Kingdom, super marboroughs wonder

1269
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:29.760
Pickman fourick. Honestly, I wouldn't
be Pickman four. I would not be

1270
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.319
surprised, Like if you came to
the show with that at your number one,

1271
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:36.640
I would actually not be that surprised. It's up there. I would

1272
01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:40.319
be. I would be slightly surprised, but I would I would be like,

1273
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.319
all right, sure, let's do
it. Let's argue about it,

1274
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:48.439
not let's put it at number one. The fuck else? There's two more.

1275
01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:53.000
First, what about my mind?
Talk about soon on this show here

1276
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:59.359
on fire Escape on this episode of
fire Escape. Yes, oh like the

1277
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:04.920
next game I talk about? Uh
oh gotcha Super Mario RPG. Yes,

1278
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:09.439
right, okay? And then what's
the fifth one of my forgetting game where

1279
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:14.600
you shake a bunch to shoot out
an egg Warrio? Yeah that's your top

1280
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:17.079
time? Did you like that?
I love war so much, but we

1281
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:20.760
you didn't talk about it at all
on fire Escape. Oh shit, I

1282
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.680
should add that. Wait, yeah, am I imagining things? Did I?

1283
01:26:24.800 --> 01:26:26.640
I don't think he talked about it. This is move It, right,

1284
01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:29.520
you know what? I probably didn't. I don't talking about it.

1285
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.560
You talked about Warrior ware, but
only this new one though, Move Move

1286
01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:40.000
It. I think he when did
it come out? Like three weeks ago

1287
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:42.479
ago? It's like you're doing pos
and stuff. No, you never talked.

1288
01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:44.960
It's real good. I guess I
haven't talked. I'm not surprised you

1289
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:46.680
liked it. I was just like, yeah, you haven't talked about move

1290
01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:49.960
It. Was there another warrior this
year? Yeah? Like three? Well

1291
01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:54.560
wireware, Well there was Get It
Together on Switch which was not great,

1292
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.720
but Move It came out a few
weeks ago, and that one is top

1293
01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.319
three for sure. There's also one
like what two years ago? Yeah,

1294
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:02.479
that was get It Together, and
that one was not I mean it was.

1295
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:06.039
It made me laugh a few times, but it's not. You're you're

1296
01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:10.760
controlling the one character going around doing
stuff and that wasn't really the best way

1297
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.840
to do it. But now Move
It. You have not talked about Oh

1298
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:17.319
okay, i'll briefly, yeah,
completarly why they're not on the podcast.

1299
01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:19.720
No, you know what, you
know what I think it was. I

1300
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.800
did like a two hour upf stream
on Giant Bomb where I played it for

1301
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.640
the first time and I played through
the entire game in one stream for the

1302
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:30.560
first time, and I loved it, and then I didn't talk about it

1303
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.880
off that stream. It's great.
And when Kayla was here, my sister

1304
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:35.119
was here a couple of weeks ago, and we played a bunch of the

1305
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:39.399
co op stuff, and like there's
a bunch of weird multiplayer modes and stuff

1306
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:42.560
that I really love and really clever
things for like one person can't look at

1307
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.840
the screen and one person can see
what the minigame is and you're trying to

1308
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:47.239
like kind of give signals to the
other person who can't see the screen what

1309
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:50.239
they have to do and they're holding
the joy Cons. There's like many like

1310
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:55.039
party game modes with like even more
bullshit stuff than Mario Party. Uh,

1311
01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.039
it's all the good stuff of like
Warrior wor smooth moves where you're doing like

1312
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:01.279
very ridiculous physical things in everything.
It's just great, great party game stuff.

1313
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.079
God, yeah, I guess I. I have not talked about it

1314
01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:09.079
yet, but I played through it
all in that one stream. I did

1315
01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:11.560
one session with Kayla where we did
a bunch of the co op stuff,

1316
01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:14.399
which is really good. I haven't
played much past that, but everything I

1317
01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:17.640
play it is like totally the spirit
of Warrior wor that I love. Okay,

1318
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:20.880
I got maybe i'll play something if
we have time Minneapolis, because that's

1319
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:25.359
gonna be a hard one to shove
in. Oh, I don't know if

1320
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:27.920
we're Oh yeah, as far as
like playing it per game there, I

1321
01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:30.199
mean, I'm not going to stumping
for that game. No, no,

1322
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.479
no, I just yeah. I
just meant you're going to be fighting for

1323
01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:35.479
it, and I need to be
prepared. No, I'm a big mark

1324
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:41.399
for WORRI. You're good. But
okay, So did you beat Super Mario

1325
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:45.960
RPG? Yes? So I just
got back from Kansas for Thanksgiving, and

1326
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.680
I you know, I've been mainly
playing, like David Diver has been my

1327
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:54.239
playing game and it's great. But
that's actually like a pretty fucking long game.

1328
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.960
And well then you'd think, I
know, expanding too, Like every

1329
01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:00.960
time they're like, hey, you
can make rice, So I'm like,

1330
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.760
why I didn't know this. Yeah, now I'm like breeding fish. Like

1331
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:09.720
there's just so much going on here, so much going on. So that's

1332
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:11.720
the thing is like I was,
I was flying the Kansas, and I

1333
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.079
was like, Okay, well I
could do you know, Dave the Diver

1334
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.000
while I'm there. But then I
was like, well, I played like

1335
01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:17.800
fifteen hours that I have a real
good idea of what Dave the Diver is.

1336
01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:21.159
I feel I could be better served
at least putting like an hour into

1337
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:25.720
Mario RPG and just seeing like,
oh, how's the update, you know,

1338
01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:28.439
how does it looked? Is they
add anything gameplay wise or anything?

1339
01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.720
Because I don't have a super strong
that. I never played Mario RPG back

1340
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:34.640
in the day because I had RBG
in the title and I didn't play RPGs.

1341
01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:39.439
The only time I'd ever played the
original was when I did my Mario

1342
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:42.119
a Guinness Record thing and I was
like, oh, what a great excuse

1343
01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:45.600
to like play through this entire Mario
game I've never played before. And I

1344
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:48.880
did did it once and once fell
Swoop don't really remember anything. I was

1345
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:50.319
like, all right, fuck it, let's try it. I thought I'd

1346
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.439
play an hour so I could speak
to it, But god damn if I

1347
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:58.319
didn't like get charmed by that game
and love it. And during that trip

1348
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:00.760
home, I was only home for
like four days, and when I just

1349
01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:03.279
needed some fucking time away from the
family or just sitting in a bed or

1350
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:06.960
something, or obviously the playing stuff
and everything, I played the whole game

1351
01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:13.119
pretty much like handheld Mode. I
absolutely loved it. It's so goddamn charming.

1352
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:17.039
I think the thing is it is
the exact right amount of storytelling and

1353
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.439
talking in an RPG, because every
fucking Final Fantasy I've tried to play,

1354
01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:25.520
it's like, here's five hours of
learning about some fucking kingdom I don't care

1355
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:28.760
about and a bunch of dorks,
and I just don't I don't care.

1356
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.039
Here. It's like I know Mario, I know Bowser. Okay, here's

1357
01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:34.119
an evil sword. Great. You
go into a town, they run the

1358
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:38.159
end, they're mad that this person
took over the town or whatever. Okay,

1359
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:40.920
great, let's go jump on them
and do some like fun timing based

1360
01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:45.800
RBG battles. And I fucking never
got annoyed by the combat. I always

1361
01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:48.039
like the new abilities you unlocked.
There's so much charm and humor to it.

1362
01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:54.000
Visually, it looks fantastic, looks
looks really really great, great handheld

1363
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:58.359
game for the Switch. God damn
you can. You can turn on the

1364
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.159
old music, so if you like
that, that was a nice bonus.

1365
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:04.039
But it's like eleven hours long.
It's not talking at all for an RPG,

1366
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:09.399
and it just keeps things moving.
You're constantly getting new stuff, meeting

1367
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:12.119
new people for the party, going
to a new fun area, and it's

1368
01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:15.119
I feel like there's a reason the
Mario RPGs, whether it's paper Mario,

1369
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:19.560
Mario and Luigi or this, have
been the only like turn based RPGs I've

1370
01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:26.079
really really gravitated towards and this is
just a good, breezy, fun eleven

1371
01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:29.880
hours or so. It's on my
list. I loved it. I loved

1372
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:31.720
it, loved it, loved yep. I was very big on it.

1373
01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:34.640
So that'll be ah, it'll be
a kind of mid list for me.

1374
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:40.880
I bet, Mary, are these
real games? Or did Dan write these?

1375
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:45.520
I wrote some small guess which ones
are real? Well? I squirrel

1376
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:48.800
shit, candy shop, frog with
a lisp, and Oopsie POOPSI are all

1377
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:53.359
definitely not real. Karma Zoo what
is Karma Zoo? Okay? So I'm

1378
01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:56.960
just going to burn through these because
I played them not for very long.

1379
01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:01.960
I had friends over for friends Giving
and I needed some couch co op games.

1380
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.800
There's another one that didn't come out
this year, but we ended up

1381
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:13.199
playing Overcooked because it's just such a
classic four person couch co op. But

1382
01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:15.159
the ones that came out this year
that I wanted to touch on were Karma

1383
01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:23.479
Zoo, which is a game where
four people can play different well actually lots

1384
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:27.319
of people. I played with ten
people before, and you each can play

1385
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:31.880
a different animal, and each animal
has a different benefit to them. So,

1386
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:39.439
for example, the wolf howls really
loudly, or an elephant can crash

1387
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:45.039
through things. There's a light that
has a light shocking, and each of

1388
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:49.680
those different benefits can help you get
through an obstacle. Course that's like mostly

1389
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:57.720
platforming. It's kind of a cute
game that really encourages selflessness and helping each

1390
01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.479
other out. Because of this,
it's actually not very funny, and we

1391
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:03.800
moved on kind of quick. Even
though I think it's a good game,

1392
01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:06.119
I'd like to try and do my
best to sell it, and the fact

1393
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:10.399
that I think it's a cool concept. So you're getting through these platforming together.

1394
01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:14.119
Maybe maybe Dan, your character has
a triple jump, so you can

1395
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:21.000
jump higher than me. But because
I sing, I can help move a

1396
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:25.560
puzzle forward and you couldn't, and
we have to work together in order to

1397
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:30.199
get through. There's a bubble effect, and the bubble around me if I'm

1398
01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:32.079
alone, will actually shrink and all
die. So we have to be in

1399
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:36.199
the same vicinity together so that there's
at least two people in our large bubble

1400
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:40.880
to keep us alive, and then
we just try and get through puzzles together.

1401
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:45.479
Another good example of the selflessness is
when you die. If you die

1402
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:50.399
on spikes, it creates a like
a banister for me to jump on,

1403
01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:57.840
so it actually might the game encourages
you to die so that I can be

1404
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:01.960
safer when I get through, and
you'll just re spawn so it can player

1405
01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:05.840
like it seems like the Role Crux
is multi I don't think you can play

1406
01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:12.439
it alone. There is online multiplayer, and so if you're alone, it

1407
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:15.279
pairs you with people on the internet
and they can talk to you with kind

1408
01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:19.439
of like emoji based you know,
like they'll use fingers to be like go

1409
01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:24.560
forward or go backwards. You can
give each other karma if you feel like

1410
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:28.199
they did a good job. Everyone
seems like they work together. There's no

1411
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:32.159
aggression in this game. It's very
pure and sweet, and so I think

1412
01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:36.720
it's a really nice game if you
want something smooth and easy and makes you

1413
01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:42.079
feel good about society. Now,
if you're like us, we were like,

1414
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:44.960
but how do we yell each other
and be like total bastards, That's

1415
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:49.159
actually not the game for you.
We ended up switching to Mario wonder four

1416
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:54.439
couch co op. That game is
like exactly what you want if you want

1417
01:34:54.479 --> 01:34:58.239
four people who are like laughing and
being silly, that game is absolutely ridiculous.

1418
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:02.039
It's super great to play on a
couch together with four people. Being

1419
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:05.920
an elephant is hilarious. And when
you get the Star, I was amazed

1420
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:11.720
that some of these these things that
when you get them, it converts the

1421
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.800
level. It really does not work
well for four people playing together on all

1422
01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:18.640
the wonder Stone. I'm telling you, there are level designs where I was

1423
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:21.760
like, there's no way you expected
us to do this as four people.

1424
01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:24.800
Is it the stuff where it's like, oh, here's like a bunch of

1425
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:28.119
like you know, elephints, or
it was like the Rhinos or hippos or

1426
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:31.960
something. They're all the stampede level. That one's extremely difficult. Also,

1427
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:38.359
when you die and there's four people
all you lose four lives, that's brutal.

1428
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.920
It's brutal. We were burning through
lives as four people because it's so

1429
01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:46.239
easy for someone to die. Another
good example is one of those fruits.

1430
01:35:46.279 --> 01:35:51.239
When you get them, you jump
really high like you skyrocket, But because

1431
01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:55.920
the camera only follows one person,
if I jump in the other three,

1432
01:35:56.000 --> 01:36:00.600
don't they all die? And oh
wow, you can easily like kill each

1433
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.960
other. But is it fun.
Absolutely, and it's a joy to play.

1434
01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:12.039
But there are certain levels that were
just really rude to for people trying

1435
01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:15.560
to stay in the same area together. And it's weird that it would be

1436
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:17.560
harder locally than like cause like that
stuff. When you play online, it's

1437
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:19.920
just like ghosts and they're just in
a different part of the level. But

1438
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.000
if you're playing locally, it's just
like, okay, that's you're almost at

1439
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:29.520
a detriment. He who has the
crown have the power in Mario Wonder that

1440
01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:33.000
was insane how much we were fighting
over who gets the crown, because if

1441
01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:35.600
you don't have the crown, you
could just easily die if you're not in

1442
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:40.960
the same area. Very fun though, so we ended up playing that,

1443
01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:43.199
and then the very final game of
the night, we just ended up playing

1444
01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:45.239
Overcooked because it's like such a fun
couch co op game. I mean,

1445
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.680
it's like one of the best couch
co op games that's ever been made.

1446
01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:50.119
We had a really good time with
those games, so I just wanted to

1447
01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:54.680
mention those. That was Karma Zoo
and Mario Wonder. And then in my

1448
01:36:54.800 --> 01:37:00.600
free time last week I played a
cute little game called Spirit Tea. This

1449
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:11.720
game is absolutely adorable. The pitch
for this game is it is Stardew Valley,

1450
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:15.560
but you are making a bath house
for the spirits for dead people.

1451
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:20.279
You have to make sure the bath
water is warm by stoking the fire.

1452
01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:26.399
You have to clean the towels and
steam them and fold them and put them

1453
01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:29.760
away, and then the ghosts get
their towel and you put them in the

1454
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:35.399
bath together. The interesting thing is
that ghosts are like I don't know,

1455
01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:40.600
they're like batter They hate each other, and certain ghosts don't like being next

1456
01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:43.640
to other spirits. You have to
make sure that you don't put spirits that

1457
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:45.279
dislike each other next to each other, or they have a bad experience,

1458
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:53.640
you don't make as much money.
Spirit. Yes, yes, you have

1459
01:37:53.800 --> 01:37:57.399
to put the right people next to
each other. They explain it early on

1460
01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:01.319
that which ghosts don't like each other. And you're meeting new ghosts throughout the

1461
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:05.359
town and they're kind of it's interesting, like you'll meet someone and they'll be

1462
01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:09.920
like, my boat, somebody keeps
spray painting my boat. I don't know

1463
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:13.000
why this happens. I cleaned it
at four thirty yesterday, but then I

1464
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:15.399
came back and it was, you
know, it was all ruined again.

1465
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:17.159
It's like, all right, here's
a fucking ghost there. So if you

1466
01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:21.760
go back to the boat at five
pm and you change your view, you

1467
01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:26.760
can change your view into ghost mode, you'll see a ghost and if you

1468
01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:29.760
catch him, then he'll go to
your bath house for the rest of the

1469
01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:34.159
game. So you're making money with
your bath house and you're spending it upgrading

1470
01:38:34.239 --> 01:38:38.760
your bath house or upgrading your life. And that's how becomes kind of stardewey

1471
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:44.479
because you're running around the town,
maybe like buying gifts or befriending the townspeople,

1472
01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:47.520
which is a very stardeu esque thing
to do. Or buying stuff to

1473
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:53.039
up, you know, to make
your house look nice. It's wholesome as

1474
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:56.880
heck. It's super cute, and
I loved the loop of having a bath

1475
01:38:56.920 --> 01:39:00.720
house. That was addictive. The
one negative I will say about this game

1476
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:05.279
that really, I really did not
like this. The entire first hour of

1477
01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:12.399
this game is a tutorial no bath
house, and I'm not kidding you.

1478
01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.800
I don't know who thought this up
and thought it was a good idea.

1479
01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:20.319
The first thing you do when you
get to this town is before you can

1480
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:27.880
enjoy anything. It's like, meet
every character in town, and then it's

1481
01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:33.119
twenty seven people. I have to
say hello to twenty seven characters before the

1482
01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:40.000
game will progress. It was awesome. I don't know why they thought that.

1483
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:43.680
I hope they update it. It
was such a bad decision because it's

1484
01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:46.000
a bad first impression. It's a
terrible first impression. I would have quit,

1485
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:48.199
but I was streaming it and I
had at that point, I had

1486
01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:53.840
already like started playing it, and
it was like, now I just need

1487
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:59.960
to commit and get through it.
But I couldn't believe it was spoiling local,

1488
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:02.880
you know, exciting. It is
the first time you like go north

1489
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:06.039
and Stardo and you're like, oh
my god, there's like a shop up

1490
01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:09.319
here, and there's like, oh
my gosh, there's a guy with that.

1491
01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:11.760
There's like a houseless guy up here
and he lives in a tent,

1492
01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.840
but he's really nice. Like there's
all these cool stuff you get to discover.

1493
01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:16.319
Oh, there's a beach with like
a super hotty down here and a

1494
01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:21.239
bunch of shells. It's all ruined
in the first ten minutes of this game

1495
01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:24.880
because they're like, you have to
find twenty seven people here, go get

1496
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:29.199
them. Ugh, Mary, you
should never, in case you were considering

1497
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.760
it, you should never work in
pro wrestling because the first thing you're supposed

1498
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:35.159
to do when you enter the venue
every fucking time is you have to shake

1499
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:40.359
everyone's hand, And so you have
to go around every bucking wrestler, every

1500
01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:43.079
crew person, everybody there. You
gotta go, hey, how's it going.

1501
01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:45.039
Just handshake, handshake, handshake,
and you'll be like you could be

1502
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:47.880
blackball, depending on you know who
you're there with if you don't shake their

1503
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:51.479
hands. So basically twenty seventh on
the low end of a wrestling locker room.

1504
01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:55.880
Yeah, I hated that part of
this game, and I hope they

1505
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:58.319
fix it. I hope they update
it, because it's a stupid It's a

1506
01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:01.039
stupid intro, and it kind of
like I would have quit, I think,

1507
01:41:01.680 --> 01:41:05.960
generally, but I kept going.
And I will say that the spirit

1508
01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:11.760
tea bath house loop is really fun. It's fun being like, oh no,

1509
01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:14.079
I'm out of towels, you know, like you're like putting all these

1510
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.720
people in the bath and you run
out of towels. You got to stoke

1511
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:19.479
the fire. And you're making all
this money to get more bath houses,

1512
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.800
which means more ghosts. And some
of the ghosts are huge. They like

1513
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.680
take up four spots, so you're
like, how am I gonna slot this

1514
01:41:26.760 --> 01:41:30.640
ghost in? He's too big.
It's very cute. That aspect is great

1515
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:34.239
terrible beginning for a game. So
it's like an hour at the beginning.

1516
01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:40.600
I would say my first hour,
I was like I was pushing to get

1517
01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:44.119
through it, but I was in
the bath house by a hour two and

1518
01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:47.720
loved it. So take that what
you will. I won't probably talk about

1519
01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:51.840
it again, but I think if
someone is there's probably many of us out

1520
01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:57.239
there that are like always looking to
scratch the stardew itch. I think this

1521
01:41:57.439 --> 01:42:00.239
has the potential to do that.
So if you or someone you know was

1522
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:06.640
like addicted to Stardo and wants that
next experience, this had those moments for

1523
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:12.520
me, and I really liked it. I am like I was so obsessed

1524
01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:14.560
with Stardoo and that was like the
end of the year, and like it's

1525
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:17.600
honestly like probably one of my top
fifty games full time. But just knowing

1526
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:20.560
that, like that guy's working on
that, like Willy Walker game or whatever,

1527
01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:25.880
like I'll just like chocolate, chocolate
ear, that's the one. Yes,

1528
01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:28.880
I'm gonna wait is that? Does
that have a release date? No?

1529
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.600
No, Okay, it's just like
it's so rare. I've done like

1530
01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:33.920
a farming game or something like that, and so it's like, I know

1531
01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:38.359
it's such a hot thing now ever
since Stardo, but like if they're like,

1532
01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:41.079
eh, the started guys making one, it's probably wait for that one.

1533
01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:45.760
Still. Like it's one of those
games where like flying to Minneapolis,

1534
01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.359
for example, like I would I
will get more use out of the flight

1535
01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:57.239
if I'm playing something that you guys
recommend, I'd like Armored Corps is something

1536
01:42:57.279 --> 01:42:59.399
that's on my list I gotta play
more of. But in my heart of

1537
01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:05.239
hearts, I would just rather spend
the four hours playing Like Stardo, Pickman

1538
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:10.439
was such a tremendous plane game,
and I would say Dave the Diver is

1539
01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:13.439
also a really good playing game.
It's it's just got a nice loop,

1540
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:16.720
like uh if you're basically like,
oh my god, yeah, the idea

1541
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:24.159
of like getting fish and then making
sushi as a day cycle amazing loop.

1542
01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:29.359
Like I'm a big fan of good
loops. This didn't come out this year,

1543
01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.600
but Grindstone is one of my favorite
playing games of all time. It's

1544
01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:38.239
just such a nice loop and you
never have to like stress that your plane

1545
01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:40.640
is landing. It's like whatever,
It's just a loop, like you can

1546
01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:45.039
get through it in five or ten
minutes and then move on. So I'm

1547
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.239
a big looper anyway. I don't
think this will scratch your itch, and

1548
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:51.159
I'll tell you why. I think
my fear is that if you compare it

1549
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:57.000
too much to Stardo, you will
recognize all the ways that this game doesn't

1550
01:43:57.079 --> 01:44:02.359
kind of live up to the same
expectations of Stardo had such intricate world building,

1551
01:44:02.399 --> 01:44:06.199
and it was really delicate with the
way that it fed you pieces of

1552
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:12.119
the story that made it really interesting. This game has rougher edges. This

1553
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:16.720
is definitely a smaller team spirit tea. You can like feel the game design

1554
01:44:16.800 --> 01:44:23.000
in it. Fact when it wasn't
it smaller team. But that guy was

1555
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:27.159
a freak of nature. This guy
like made a perfect game. I don't

1556
01:44:27.319 --> 01:44:30.560
believe that this is like a normal
person. Is it shorter than the starter

1557
01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:34.199
guy? Yeah, smaller, smaller
team. It's a smaller team. You're

1558
01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:39.680
not wrong. It just you know, condensed these people. This is also

1559
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:43.159
a small time team. But I
guess you can you can see the edges

1560
01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:45.279
of this game. You would tell
what they were trying to do. It

1561
01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:51.039
doesn't always carry itself in the same
way, but I will say, uh,

1562
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:56.359
who I think this is good for
is like someone who's like, I'm

1563
01:44:56.399 --> 01:45:01.840
looking for a wholesome, cute experience. I love start and I like I'm

1564
01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:06.960
willing to get through some of those
rough edges. That is like who this

1565
01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:12.560
person is for. It's probably like
a person who likes indie games and understands

1566
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:15.279
that if they come across like a
weird dialogue option, they're like, all

1567
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:17.720
right, that person's still working through
the audio of this game, if that

1568
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:25.359
makes sense, Like I I am
very forgiving with games when I think that

1569
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:28.920
they have an issue generally speaking,
because I'm always like, oh, they're

1570
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:30.960
working on it, or that wasn't
fully fleshed out when they gave it to

1571
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:34.319
me. I look past a lot
of issues like that to enjoy, like

1572
01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:39.640
the concept of a game. It's
just that meeting twenty seven characters before you

1573
01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:43.880
get to the main point of the
game was hard to get by. That's

1574
01:45:43.920 --> 01:45:46.680
a lot so annoying. And then
you have a dog, and they're like,

1575
01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.640
if you can't find the characters,
just ask your dog, and so

1576
01:45:50.760 --> 01:45:57.000
then your dog goes there and runs
in the direction of the character, and

1577
01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:00.119
so then you follow the dog to
meet every the last five people. I

1578
01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:04.199
was like, dog, just tell
me where to fucking go. Just tell

1579
01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:09.560
me where to go. I don't
care. It's probably I feel like I'm

1580
01:46:09.560 --> 01:46:14.640
not selling it, he said.
Stardom started, Who's awesome. It is

1581
01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:17.640
awesome, and I've enjoyed the loop. So anyway, I think that's it.

1582
01:46:17.720 --> 01:46:20.920
I think those were all the games. All right, you guys,

1583
01:46:20.960 --> 01:46:26.279
I do emails, sure, all
right? As usually you can write into

1584
01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:30.920
Firescape Past at gmail dot com questions
comments, it earns thoughts, et cetera.

1585
01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:36.279
That's Firescape Past. At gmail dot
com the questions that we potentually read

1586
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:40.279
on the show. In this third
section we do every episode, all right,

1587
01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:45.560
First one Darien from Toronto, who
has written in several times. Uh,

1588
01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:53.359
Mary, do you want to read
this one? Yes, dear firestarters.

1589
01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:59.279
Earlier this year, I had a
four hour layover in Minneapolis, something

1590
01:46:59.319 --> 01:47:02.760
I typically loathe. I'm the type
of guy who will spend a few bucks

1591
01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:08.720
extra just to fly direct. I
am the same. Yes, a break

1592
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:13.279
from this email, I'll absolutely go
out of my way to fly direct.

1593
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:18.279
I hate layovers, but this time, for the first time in my life,

1594
01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:23.399
I had a grand old time.
My airport gate was easy to navigate

1595
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:27.680
and surprisingly pleasant. I bought some
small Chinese food for lunch, sat in

1596
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:31.039
a company harbors hair, sat in
a comfy armchair, watching videos on my

1597
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:36.960
laptop, and had a local beer
and a strawberry shortcake before an entirely painless

1598
01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:42.079
boarding. Have you had a good
experience somewhere where you shouldn't You usually wouldn't,

1599
01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:47.000
cheers Darien from Toronto. Well that's
Darien enjoying MSP Airport. It's a

1600
01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:51.279
fantastic airport right here in Minnesota.
Mike, you've been there, Mary,

1601
01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:57.560
have you been to MSP I not
intentionally. It's a real good airport.

1602
01:47:57.640 --> 01:48:00.399
I think it might be my favorite
one. Yeah, it's good place that's

1603
01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:04.680
been a layover like Minneapolis, trying
to think. I mean, I think

1604
01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:10.159
now Kansas City, if you've ever
flown there, had the shittiest airport ever.

1605
01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:13.039
It was the most like seventies thing. It was like three terminals that

1606
01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:15.960
were all super tiny and shitty and
there's nothing to do once you went to

1607
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:18.319
the past security. But they built
a brand new terminal and I was just

1608
01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:21.640
there going home for Thanksgiving for the
first time, and it is it's like

1609
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:26.399
a real city's airport. Now it's
nice. There's like stuff there. There's

1610
01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.399
nice barbecue restaurants and everything. So
like, yeah, MCI or kCi really

1611
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.560
up its game there. I want
to see Denvers Dens. They've got all

1612
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:39.439
that weird haunting shit. I want
to see. It's a good layover airport

1613
01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:43.880
that used to be my like layover
whenever I went to the West coast back

1614
01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:45.279
at Game Informer, and like,
it's it's solid. It's a good one.

1615
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:47.399
It's big. If you're really far
from your gate, it'll take a

1616
01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:53.800
long time to walk. But it's
it's pretty good. Portland has consistently gets

1617
01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:57.840
one of the best airports in America
every year. I remember it, it's

1618
01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:00.479
very like log cabiny on the way
way out, at least through the terminal,

1619
01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:04.560
I went out like oddly enough as
like I think it was carpeted with

1620
01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:09.359
like with like a log cabin looking
gift shop. It was very like it

1621
01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:15.199
felt like we were in Portland immediately. Yeah, it's got it's kind of

1622
01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:17.520
boasts that it's got food carts,
It's got things that are very Portland in

1623
01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:25.319
it. It's got uh, live
music. It always has a live musician

1624
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:32.720
playing something really really nice and comfortable. The carpet is really interesting because I

1625
01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:39.840
think it has uh, it has
something really interesting about the carpet. I

1626
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:46.119
think it's it was designed by architects
and for most people. And yeah,

1627
01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:50.840
it's like showing the actual like,
uh, what do you call it?

1628
01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:56.199
Like the layout of the airport is
in the carpet. You know, there's

1629
01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:01.800
a ninety nine percent invisible episode the
podcast, I like about how airport floors

1630
01:50:01.800 --> 01:50:05.479
are often designed to guide you without
you really knowing it, like the patterns

1631
01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:10.600
on the floors and whatnot. It's
paint yellow everywhere. It's just arrows saying

1632
01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:15.199
go here, fuck face. I
think it's like stuff like that in terms

1633
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:18.560
of other places I would not expect
to have fun that I have had fun.

1634
01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:27.319
I don't know, Like my answer
is actually like directly compared to his

1635
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:30.439
heroes. In an airport And it
was like three weeks ago. I went

1636
01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:35.119
to Canada to do commentary at People
Who Knows show and on the way back,

1637
01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:39.319
my hotel was right next to the
airport, so there wasn't really anything

1638
01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:42.520
to like sightsee or anything right around
there, and I had to check out

1639
01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:45.000
at eleven and my flight wasn't until
like seven pm, and I was like,

1640
01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:48.399
holy shit, I'm just been eight
hours in a fucking airport in Canada.

1641
01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:54.239
And but it was just days after
Mario Wender came out and the only

1642
01:50:54.319 --> 01:50:57.560
time I'd gotten to play it was
just the flight out there. So it's

1643
01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:00.479
like, okay, it's great.
I had my credit. It has like

1644
01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:02.680
access to those lounges like the oh
you can, you know, open bar

1645
01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:04.840
lounges and stuff, and they had
a great one there, so I had

1646
01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:11.800
this whole open bar to myself for
eight hours with a fucking Mario game.

1647
01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:14.640
That just came out. I just
set my oleed down on the thing.

1648
01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:18.079
I brought my Super Nintendo controller and
I'm just drinking open bar wine and whiskey

1649
01:51:18.119 --> 01:51:21.439
and stuff for seven hours playing this
New Mario game. Like my whole time

1650
01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:25.960
with it was like sitting in the
Ottawa airport at this lounge and I was

1651
01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:28.520
like, well, this is this
is great, Like I don't even want

1652
01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:30.880
to stand. Yeah, that sounds
a good, good, good layover.

1653
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:33.159
I've like it's a good flight.
Yeah, I've done the similar thing with

1654
01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:39.039
uh this this is minor and it's
very cliche. But when I was flying

1655
01:51:39.079 --> 01:51:44.520
to London, I had a layover
in Dublin and I still have not visited

1656
01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:47.479
Ireland yet aside from this one layover. And I was at Dublin airport and

1657
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:51.039
I was like, all right,
I promised my grandpa at some point I'll

1658
01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:54.800
get a proper Guinness board a lot
of places in New York for them,

1659
01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:56.800
well, and in San Francisco too, but I was like, all right,

1660
01:51:56.840 --> 01:52:00.359
I'll get a Guinness at this Guinness
itself had a bar at the airport.

1661
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:05.239
So I sat down at the bar
and it had like this view of

1662
01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:10.960
just a green field outside, very
Dublin, and it was one of the

1663
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:14.720
most serene moments in my life because
I had like a perfect time. It

1664
01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:18.159
wasn't so long that I would be
killing time by like having four drinks or

1665
01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:24.239
something or being tempted to work at
the bar. It was like two hours,

1666
01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:26.760
so it was perfect. And I
was already at my gate and the

1667
01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:29.640
Guinness bar was right near it,
so I sat there. It was a

1668
01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:31.479
relative from what I understand from I
told people, it was a quiet day

1669
01:52:31.479 --> 01:52:35.880
at Dublin Airport. It was right
before a week in London and then games

1670
01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:40.439
calm. When I was at GameSpot, it was a very nice, like

1671
01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:45.760
calm before the storm, and I
remember I have very fond memories of that

1672
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:51.640
Guinness. I got a layover in
Detroit, and Detroit is a beautiful airport

1673
01:52:51.680 --> 01:52:56.279
actually, and I remember it was
one of my very first flights as a

1674
01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:59.800
professional, you know, like my
very first was when I lived in Ohio

1675
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:03.560
and getting a flight from Ohio to
Detroit, from Detroit to San Francisco,

1676
01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:08.600
which was really scary for me to
have that type. I have never been

1677
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:14.840
to San Francisco before, and Detroit
was really calming. It has a really

1678
01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:18.279
nice walkway breezeway in between the gates, and I remember it just being like

1679
01:53:18.359 --> 01:53:24.960
a really cathartic experience. And you
know, people crack on Detroit a lot.

1680
01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:30.039
Their airports O beautiful and it's such
a good hub for traveling to and

1681
01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:34.439
from the Midwest. So a big
fan of the Detroit Airport. It's funny

1682
01:53:34.439 --> 01:53:38.239
we all ended up talking about airport
stories. If you didn't have I think

1683
01:53:38.279 --> 01:53:42.239
it's just like you're not supposed to
enjoy airports, but or like no,

1684
01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.199
sorry, but like they try so
hard to get you to enjoy them that

1685
01:53:45.319 --> 01:53:49.920
like sometimes it actually works. It's
like once I'm there, we talked about

1686
01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:53.680
sport. Once I'm there and I'm
settled, I'm fine. I can kill

1687
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:56.840
time with the best of them.
Once you checked in, you're through security.

1688
01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.760
Yeah, you find a good place
to post up for a little bit.

1689
01:54:00.199 --> 01:54:03.560
I still hate flying, like the
smell of airplanes that like I don't

1690
01:54:03.600 --> 01:54:06.319
know what it is, the vents, the vents. I'm used to it

1691
01:54:06.439 --> 01:54:10.039
by now. I was way more
used to it back when I was traveling

1692
01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:12.760
much more for work. But like
once I'm on the plane, I'm like,

1693
01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:15.479
all right, let's you know,
open day, the diver or whatever,

1694
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:19.399
but airports, I'm there's nothing else
to do but like relax when you're

1695
01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:24.960
when everything else is done. So
like I've kind of embraced it and enjoy

1696
01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:29.359
them now. Airports are my favorite
place to relax and wonder if I'm going

1697
01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:31.239
to have a panic attack on a
five hour flight. That's for me.

1698
01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:33.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
always like to have a couple of drinks

1699
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:36.560
before I get on a flight,
just to try and prep myself, especially

1700
01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:43.600
doing the Japan trips or anything where
you're on a flight for like over ten

1701
01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:46.560
hours or you're sleeping, just to
prepare yourself mentally to be in a tube

1702
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:53.600
for that long. Yeah. Last
week, Dan texted me last week being

1703
01:54:53.640 --> 01:55:00.359
like, I'm raw dogging it right
now. I did have that realization this

1704
01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:03.199
year where it's like I've flown more
this year than I think any year ever.

1705
01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:06.239
And it was that Belgium trip where
I was like, god damn,

1706
01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:09.520
there was a long flight out there
and a long flight back and I drank

1707
01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:13.079
like the whole time and before on
both those and it just wrecked me.

1708
01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:15.079
And it's like, if I'm going
to travel this much, I can't just

1709
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:18.800
make that the default every fucking time
I fly, So that raw dog and

1710
01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:23.960
has been my new thing for a
lot of flights, especially going out to

1711
01:55:24.079 --> 01:55:26.800
a place, because like I don't
want to go out to the Game Awards

1712
01:55:27.119 --> 01:55:29.520
and have a hangover my first day. You know, it's like the whole

1713
01:55:29.600 --> 01:55:31.600
thing's fucking done. I got a
night flight or whatever coming back whatever,

1714
01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:34.479
that's one thing, but like I
just can't do that every fucking flight,

1715
01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:38.520
and there's no way. Yeah.
Actually, oddly enough, maybe if they're

1716
01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:46.359
the trend is travel, I actually
because I had procrastinated so much two Christmases

1717
01:55:47.239 --> 01:55:50.159
coming back from New York. I
think it was because I was still like

1718
01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:56.640
transitioning from GameSpot to Quibi. No, that would have been COVID year.

1719
01:55:56.840 --> 01:56:00.399
For whatever reason, two Christmases,
I rode a bus from New York City

1720
01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:03.479
to Syracuse, which if you've ever
done that trip, you know it's not

1721
01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:05.960
that short, despite their both in
New York State. It's like a it

1722
01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:10.920
can be like a I usually do
the drive in like three forty five four

1723
01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:15.079
hours. A bus that was like
five and a half hours. And buses

1724
01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:18.279
get a bad rap for good reason
because they're uncomfortable. Both of these were

1725
01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:23.760
like not overnight but late night buses. The first one was miserable. They

1726
01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:26.840
drove us into Jersey and we had
to transfer to another bus in a random

1727
01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:30.239
like empty lot, not a parking
lot, like an empty lot in the

1728
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:33.560
meadowlands between swamps. It was the
weirdest thing, and everybody on that bus

1729
01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:38.159
sucked. The people next to me
were either snoring or talking way too loudly

1730
01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:45.119
at eleven PM. The next time, however, I made the same mistake

1731
01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:48.640
of waiting too long to get back, like by transportation back to Syracuse,

1732
01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:54.920
because I didn't learn anything. I
did the same thing, and I actually

1733
01:56:55.319 --> 01:56:58.880
like was just sitting around cool people. We ended up I forget what were

1734
01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:01.720
we doing. I end up playing
like pitch. Like someone had a deck

1735
01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:04.840
of playing cards and they're like,
oh, we're like and some people are

1736
01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:08.640
busting out like beers and stuff that
they had brought, like it was they

1737
01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:12.239
were going home for Christmas to Syracuse. Some of them were stopping in like

1738
01:57:13.039 --> 01:57:15.479
Albany or whatever. But we bust
out beers. We just played cards like

1739
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:18.000
the whole way back. There these
cool people who like we we you know,

1740
01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:19.600
we all did the thing. We're
like, let's stay in touch,

1741
01:57:19.640 --> 01:57:23.039
it'll be fun. We never did, but like it was a fun like

1742
01:57:23.159 --> 01:57:26.359
it was a nice It wasn't.
It was a late night bus ride.

1743
01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:29.479
No, the bus was not comfortable. They never are, but at least

1744
01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:31.439
I was with cool people, which
I'd take any day over a comfortable seat.

1745
01:57:32.159 --> 01:57:38.279
My fucking bus experience was from Minneapolis
to Kansas City like fifteen years ago,

1746
01:57:38.760 --> 01:57:41.640
and we stopped by No, it's
like no, no, no,

1747
01:57:41.880 --> 01:57:45.359
it's like a well it's six and
a half by car. It's you know,

1748
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.960
like ten twelve by bus was stopped. Yes, we stopped. We

1749
01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:54.039
stopped at a prison and picked up
some people who had just been let out

1750
01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:56.760
of prison. And one of them
sat right next to me this fight and

1751
01:57:56.800 --> 01:57:59.159
they're being many open seats on the
bus. He just wanted to talk to

1752
01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:01.039
people, and uh, I would
have been cool with that if he was

1753
01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:04.279
cool, but no. The first
thing he did was as I had my

1754
01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:09.479
headphones on and was playing one of
the like PSP Gotta Wars had just come

1755
01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.760
out, and he was like,
hey, hey, bro, my buddy,

1756
01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.560
you know he made he made those
got of war games, and like

1757
01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:18.439
do you know he's selling the next
one to Xbox And like I'm working for

1758
01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:20.640
game Inform, where it's just like
I'm I don't want to be the like

1759
01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:27.680
actually but like cool, cool,
curious time dude. Yeah. I was

1760
01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:31.479
in the clink for four years,
just shifting people. Yeah, so dude

1761
01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:34.239
trying to convince me got a Wars
come to Xbox. And then we stop

1762
01:58:34.520 --> 01:58:40.159
at a college town in Iowa,
and he was really adamantly trying to get

1763
01:58:40.159 --> 01:58:42.159
me to get off the bus and
the be like come on, man,

1764
01:58:42.199 --> 01:58:44.720
come on, we get out tonight. Bars aren't closed. We'll get us

1765
01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:49.199
some college strange and IM like,
oh god, that's a phrase no cool

1766
01:58:49.279 --> 01:58:54.800
person has ever seen. No,
no, no, no, absolutely.

1767
01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:59.840
Granted, before you went into the
specifics, I'm like, well, yeah,

1768
01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:02.720
sure someone's not going to be normally
socially adjusted after spending time in prison.

1769
01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:10.439
But right this was it was like, yeah, okay, they were

1770
01:59:10.479 --> 01:59:12.680
cool. I would totally talk about
like it was your time, Like I

1771
01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:15.840
don't know anybody. They'll get out
of prison and be like, hey,

1772
01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:20.720
man, you ever ever think about
like the Newton's their law of the physics.

1773
01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:25.039
It's crazy, right, I think
about war in college strange? Yeah

1774
01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:32.199
goddamn I hate that. Yeah,
good with uh ex convicts. I was

1775
01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:38.920
with a bunch of cool people who
I never talked to again, but I

1776
01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:42.520
had a fun night with I remember
my first uh my first flight back from

1777
01:59:42.640 --> 01:59:45.199
E three two thousand and six.
I was sitting next to Ivy's voice actor

1778
01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:48.199
from Soul Caliber and ever we're thinking
like that was my first E three and

1779
01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:50.920
I was like, oh wow,
rubbing shoulders with like gaming people, and

1780
01:59:51.000 --> 01:59:54.000
then it's like I was sitting next
like, oh I got Soul Caliber is

1781
01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:57.159
one of my paper games. The
voice actress. That's awesome. So Ivy,

1782
01:59:57.359 --> 02:00:00.640
that was a good one. Ivy, she sticks out memory? Is

1783
02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:04.800
Ivy? Am I confusing her of
someone? No, there's nothing sexualized about

1784
02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:08.600
Ivy. No, I don't see
why that would have stuck out in your

1785
02:00:08.640 --> 02:00:16.039
memory. Oh he's googling it.
Whoa, Okay, yeah it was oh

1786
02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:26.600
right, yeah the boom physics whi
Yeah, okay, anyway, save that

1787
02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:32.600
page for later. Oh my god, I'm just joke it one of my

1788
02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:41.920
role playing ideas watching me save it
joking. But yeah, I feel like

1789
02:00:42.600 --> 02:00:45.399
sometimes travel is the absolute worst thing, but other times, for some reason,

1790
02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:50.199
it goes smoothly and it's fun.
Then Italy, when I was this

1791
02:00:50.359 --> 02:00:55.479
summer because of my work trip,
I was supposed to leave and I had

1792
02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:59.600
prepared myself mentally, like we were
talking about, for my flight, and

1793
02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:03.880
as I was getting ready to get
into my Uber to get to the airport,

1794
02:01:04.560 --> 02:01:08.239
I googled the flight, which I
do just to make sure it's on

1795
02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:13.279
time because sometimes the apps aren't is
up to date. And not only was

1796
02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:19.039
it canceled, but the airport was
shut down due to the entire airport,

1797
02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:26.880
basically like not going to work as
a what do you call it? Like

1798
02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:33.520
a mutiny they were as they were
striking their ship. It's the same thing

1799
02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:43.479
people's mutiny. They were striking and
they had decided to strike for the rest

1800
02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:48.279
of the week for better wages and
treatment. And my Airbnb is up.

1801
02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:53.199
I have to leave my Airbnb.
I'm not allowed to stay. I cannot

1802
02:01:53.239 --> 02:01:59.399
extend it, and I can't get
a flight for five days. Oh and

1803
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an experience. This doesn't really answer
this question, because this question was like

1804
02:02:03.079 --> 02:02:08.960
that you shouldn't this maybe like this
place, I shouldn't. Everyone probably should

1805
02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:13.199
have a good experience in Italy.
But that wrecked my ability to have a

1806
02:02:13.279 --> 02:02:15.880
good experience because I wanted to fucking
leave. I was also out of clothes.

1807
02:02:16.439 --> 02:02:23.159
I was like not prepared to stay
that long. And I was luckily

1808
02:02:23.239 --> 02:02:27.800
with some friends that were like,
well, we're going to Rome for our

1809
02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:31.479
next leg of the trip. And
I was like, can I follow you?

1810
02:02:31.720 --> 02:02:34.600
Because I don't want to be stuck
in Italy alone and I'm scared and

1811
02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:38.960
I don't know what to do.
And they were like, all right,

1812
02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:45.119
it's a sinister country Rome, Italy. Oh I'm joking. Fine, but

1813
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:49.520
I don't want to be there alone, and a lot of good reasons that

1814
02:02:49.600 --> 02:02:56.920
I wanted to continue. So Mussolini
character, yeah, he was there.

1815
02:02:59.159 --> 02:03:02.720
So I booked a train to Rome
last minute, and even though I couldn't

1816
02:03:02.760 --> 02:03:06.680
stay with my friends, I got
a hotel near the airport in Rome and

1817
02:03:06.840 --> 02:03:12.560
last minute, and then I looked
for flights out of Rome, and Rome's

1818
02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:15.159
airport wasn't striking, and I was
able to get a flight out of Rome

1819
02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:21.079
the next day. So I got
on a train, bumma lonesome, met

1820
02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:26.840
my buddies in Rome for dinner,
and then stayed at a hotel in Rome

1821
02:03:27.079 --> 02:03:31.319
for like eight hours before my six
am flight the next day. And I

1822
02:03:31.399 --> 02:03:35.760
remember thinking to myself, I should
be fucking miserable, but I'm in Rome.

1823
02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:41.439
It's stupid, Go enjoy yourself.
And so I spent like less than

1824
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:45.239
twenty four hours looking at it,
having a nice dinner, kind of sleeping,

1825
02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:48.560
and then getting my ass on a
flight home. And it wasn't bad

1826
02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:53.119
when you get like a bonus little
like vacation that you didn't expect to get,

1827
02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:55.479
like you got that time in Rome
that you didn't plan on. I

1828
02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:58.760
not thought of this in forever,
but I remember me and Ben Hansoon were

1829
02:03:58.760 --> 02:04:03.039
on the same flight once back from
an army of two trip to Montreal.

1830
02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:08.560
So we're flying back and we were
supposed to have a layover in Washington,

1831
02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:12.279
d C. But it turned into
like a night there because there was some

1832
02:04:12.399 --> 02:04:15.000
weather thing, and so it's just
me and Hanson, like you know,

1833
02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:16.800
twenty eleven or something. It's like, well, fuck, we're in Washington,

1834
02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:18.800
d C. And like we kind
of had like some times. So

1835
02:04:18.880 --> 02:04:23.199
we went to we went by the
White House, went to the Washington Mall,

1836
02:04:23.399 --> 02:04:25.760
we went to like a museum or
two, and said, because this

1837
02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:29.399
is what I did not expect to
be going through, like the White House

1838
02:04:29.520 --> 02:04:31.279
after my Canada trip, but here
we are, especially an army of two

1839
02:04:31.359 --> 02:04:34.960
of all demos. That's my final
army of the White House. I think

1840
02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:39.079
That's a really good attitude though,
because that's what it takes, which is,

1841
02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:42.840
you know, unexpected, it's not
what you wanted, but here you

1842
02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:45.760
are, you know, on this
trip. This is a weird aside.

1843
02:04:45.800 --> 02:04:47.840
And I don't know if this is
even interesting, but I'm going to say

1844
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:54.760
it. When I was checking in
at the Washington Hotel and I'm in Washington,

1845
02:04:54.840 --> 02:04:57.680
d C. I grew up in
Kansas, I'm checking in and we

1846
02:04:57.760 --> 02:05:00.399
had to like talk to the manager
about something because it was a whole layover

1847
02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:02.039
thing and the airport was going to
set us up in the hotel or something

1848
02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:04.880
or other. So we get the
manager of the hotel comes by. I'm

1849
02:05:04.920 --> 02:05:10.119
looking at this woman and I'm like, why do I recognize her? And

1850
02:05:10.199 --> 02:05:12.479
I saw her name tag and I
said Erica. And I was like,

1851
02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:15.119
wait, I know an Erica.
That's wait, hang on, why do

1852
02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:19.079
I know an Erica that looks like
you? And I realized it was I'm

1853
02:05:19.079 --> 02:05:21.680
not going to say, you know, full government names or anything, but

1854
02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:29.159
there was a girl freshman New York
College in Kansas that had like, like

1855
02:05:29.359 --> 02:05:31.319
I think she like had a like
drug trip or something, and she just

1856
02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:33.960
was like, ah, I can't
do this, and like dropped out of

1857
02:05:34.079 --> 02:05:40.439
college and I'd never seen before ever
and uh or I'd never seen after at

1858
02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:43.640
all, and never I hadn't thought
of her raw. I wasn't super close

1859
02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:45.840
to her, but I knew her
enough. And it turns out she'd like

1860
02:05:45.159 --> 02:05:48.000
gone to Washington, d C.
Become this manager of this big hotel and

1861
02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:50.840
everything. And I recognized it in
the moment and brought it up to her,

1862
02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:53.800
and it's like, wait, what
the fuck? Yeah, you're Dan.

1863
02:05:53.880 --> 02:05:56.279
You're like, holy shit, Like, what are the odds of that?

1864
02:05:57.119 --> 02:06:04.439
That's nice? Toy was boring side
a decent aside. It's yeah,

1865
02:06:04.600 --> 02:06:14.840
yeah, yeah, I've never told
boring stories, no, but yeah,

1866
02:06:16.279 --> 02:06:23.039
travel, travel can be fun.
The next one, Thank you Darien,

1867
02:06:23.880 --> 02:06:30.000
Dan, we've learned that travel can
be fun. Thank you for that summary.

1868
02:06:30.479 --> 02:06:34.000
The moral of the story today are
a delicacy and travel can be fun.

1869
02:06:34.279 --> 02:06:39.560
Dan, you want to read this
one from Pente Yes, hi you

1870
02:06:39.640 --> 02:06:42.520
all. First of all, love
you guys. You make my training for

1871
02:06:42.680 --> 02:06:46.760
marathon that my wife force assigned me
into runs that was all hyphenated so much

1872
02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:51.760
more pleasant. Smiley emoji. Dan
mentioned something about Buggy Allen Wake two and

1873
02:06:51.920 --> 02:06:56.239
polished God of War Ragnarok. That
hit me real good, and I decided

1874
02:06:56.279 --> 02:07:00.920
to write and ask you a question, what's the best quote most buggy game

1875
02:07:00.199 --> 02:07:04.079
you've ever played? So good you
simply could not or did not care about

1876
02:07:04.119 --> 02:07:06.479
the bugs. I mean, this
was the norm back in the day.

1877
02:07:06.520 --> 02:07:10.279
The bugs are part of the game
for some maybe even the reason why we

1878
02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:14.159
love the game so much. The
charm, love and passion just oozes through

1879
02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:18.239
from the game. Best regards,
Pentee from Sweden. Hmm, it's tough

1880
02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:23.800
because Sony games are updated so quickly
and lose the bugs. But yeah,

1881
02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:26.840
I'm trying to think of like like
like PS two era or before, I

1882
02:07:26.880 --> 02:07:30.760
mean the quick one. Honestly,
Jedi Survivor is still fairly buggy and I'm

1883
02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:38.279
having a blast with it. But
yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think.

1884
02:07:38.359 --> 02:07:43.680
Well. Also Total war Warhammer there's
a whole every time they update that

1885
02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:45.920
game, it affects I mean,
this is game design, but like especially

1886
02:07:45.960 --> 02:07:50.079
Total war Warhammer three, every time
they patch one thing, it makes bugs

1887
02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:55.159
out of something else. Right now, for instance, there is a one

1888
02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:58.319
of the leaders of one of the
Ogre factions. His name is Greasus,

1889
02:07:59.279 --> 02:08:05.199
some buddy at Creative Assembly. The
developer just added an next I'm being very

1890
02:08:05.279 --> 02:08:07.439
reductive here. I have no idea
what happened, but it looks like someone

1891
02:08:07.520 --> 02:08:11.359
just added an extra zero to his
speed stat and his whole thing is he's

1892
02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:16.359
in this like cart and Ogres are
very indulgent and gluttonous in that game and

1893
02:08:16.760 --> 02:08:22.119
many lures, but there's these two
like goblin dudes knoblars pushing him around in

1894
02:08:22.159 --> 02:08:26.319
it. He's supposed to be pretty
slow and like lumbering, but he just

1895
02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:30.920
fucking flies around the map. Which
it's very fun to see that stuff happen

1896
02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:35.439
because when I'm playing that game that
often a patch makes that bug. It's

1897
02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:39.199
very fun. But anyway, that's
definitely not like a PS two era example.

1898
02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:45.279
I think I would probably go with
not super known as a buggy game.

1899
02:08:45.319 --> 02:08:48.239
But like GoldenEye had those things where
it's like these characters like if a

1900
02:08:48.319 --> 02:08:52.560
door was shut, they would just
be like sprinting against the door and like

1901
02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:54.520
their face would be clipping through and
you could shoot just like the face part

1902
02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:58.000
that's shooting through. Like that's like
it was a bug but it was just

1903
02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:00.960
kind of a fun thing where it's
like, oh, look the city trying

1904
02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:01.600
to walk into the door. I'm
still going to shoot him, you know,

1905
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:05.960
like that type of stuffer, you
know, just weird environmental stuff,

1906
02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:09.119
or the explosions looking janky, Like
Golden Eye was not the most polished game,

1907
02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:13.600
but like all the bugs were endearing. I thought Order Lands was super

1908
02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:18.520
buggy and super fun to play.
You could clip through the floor or something

1909
02:09:18.520 --> 02:09:22.720
would go wrong. And because that
game was irreverent and silly and jokey in

1910
02:09:24.039 --> 02:09:30.039
the way that it was said,
it lent itself to laughing about bugs or

1911
02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:33.079
issues and not stressing about it.
Like if your gun was like broken or

1912
02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:37.520
busted, it was like, whatever, it's a feature. Now I just

1913
02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:41.720
get to use it more because it's
stupid. Yeah, I'm trying to think

1914
02:09:41.760 --> 02:09:46.399
of anything. Like Dead Island had
really bad bugs, but because they were

1915
02:09:46.520 --> 02:09:52.119
zombies you could get away with yeah, I guess like really shit, And

1916
02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:54.399
you were like, whatever, they're
dead. They're allowed to like zip zap

1917
02:09:54.439 --> 02:10:00.279
around the island or be broken or
just dumb as shit. Remember that whole

1918
02:10:00.359 --> 02:10:03.840
era of zombies being really cool and
and game designers were like, this is

1919
02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:07.960
amazing because we don't have to worry
about their AI being rising and yeah,

1920
02:10:07.039 --> 02:10:11.960
yeah, those games super valuable.
The obvious one I was forgetting, was

1921
02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:20.359
Skyrim or any Elder Scrolls? Yeah, Fallout, all three New Vegas everything,

1922
02:10:20.479 --> 02:10:28.479
Yeah, touches a lot of I
can't wait to talk about Starfield and

1923
02:10:28.520 --> 02:10:41.000
our deliberations. We will, we
will, it's coming up. Is that

1924
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:48.800
your pulling your collar voice? Yeah? Danger game of the year. You

1925
02:10:48.880 --> 02:10:56.800
sound like a banjo kazue character.
Yeah, I would say, I would

1926
02:10:56.800 --> 02:11:00.520
say Elder Scrolls is probably the one
that comes to comes to mind. But

1927
02:11:00.640 --> 02:11:05.279
yeah, Star Wars, Drass Survivor
despite it being nothing's like game breaking or

1928
02:11:05.359 --> 02:11:07.439
hindering the gameplay too much. But
like I walked into the cockpit this morning

1929
02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:11.760
in Grease and bowed the two characters
that are currently my party were like t

1930
02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:16.840
posing in the cockpit, like go
next to their seats, which is always

1931
02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:26.439
fun. Yeah, all right,
thank you penty from Sweden. Uh,

1932
02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:28.920
well that's our episode. That's episode
sixty nine. Why does this just say

1933
02:11:30.000 --> 02:11:37.680
pink gorilla at the end? Read? I mean that the store. That's

1934
02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:41.680
a good store. I heard make
it one of the games that I had

1935
02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:45.680
played this week and put it in
the wrong spot. No, that's that's

1936
02:11:45.720 --> 02:11:50.000
a video game retrostore. Kelsey Lewin
DS Cooper. Did you write that.

1937
02:11:52.000 --> 02:11:54.079
Yeah that sounds right. Yes,
yes, why did who wrote that?

1938
02:11:56.239 --> 02:11:58.239
Anyone? I mean I didn't I
wanted to go check that out. I

1939
02:11:58.239 --> 02:12:01.760
don't know why I would than our
run of show. Did you meet you?

1940
02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:03.840
Maybe you do like that? Ye? I meant to put that in

1941
02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:05.720
my personal notes to be like,
oh shit, what I'm going to see

1942
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:09.520
a ole go there? Yeah,
that's probably killa at the end of the

1943
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:13.520
front show. But anyway, Yes, our next episode, if you can't

1944
02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:20.640
catch it live, we'll be on
December seventeenth, and that'll be our Game

1945
02:12:20.680 --> 02:12:26.039
of Nope, not at all,
that'll be December eighteenth, and that'll be

1946
02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:28.720
our Game of the Year breakout.
If you couldn't catch us live on the

1947
02:12:28.880 --> 02:12:33.800
sixteenth, I've been saying December fifteenth
a lot. I gotta It's December sixteenth,

1948
02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:39.239
Saturday, Yes, in Minneapolis.
If you're not already following Dan's twitch

1949
02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:43.039
channel, that's where we'll be doing
it live. That's twitch dot tv slash

1950
02:12:43.119 --> 02:12:46.720
Dan Reikert. And then if you
want to catch the breakout with the video

1951
02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:50.439
goes up, go to fire Escape
cast YouTube channel, which is where we

1952
02:12:50.520 --> 02:12:54.640
also do Canevil and whatnot. But
that's where we be putting the video for

1953
02:12:54.720 --> 02:13:00.359
that in addition to the normal platforms
Spotify, Apple, et cetera. Yeah,

1954
02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:01.520
if you just want to listen to
the audio, just you know,

1955
02:13:01.720 --> 02:13:03.840
you don't have to do anything,
you'll see this pop up, just like

1956
02:13:03.880 --> 02:13:09.800
the weekly or bi weekly episode you
get anyway, Yep, Mary, tell

1957
02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:16.800
them what they can get fire Escape
cast merch dot com. There's so much

1958
02:13:16.880 --> 02:13:20.039
incredible merch that you can get.
But what I really encourage you to do

1959
02:13:20.560 --> 02:13:26.279
is to get your loved one some
fire Escape merch for the Xmas season.

1960
02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:31.359
It's not too late to get something
for under the tree. We have lots

1961
02:13:31.359 --> 02:13:35.479
of really good things. We have
coasters, we have mats, we have

1962
02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:39.359
t shirts, we have banana yellow
t shirts. And we also have a

1963
02:13:39.640 --> 02:13:46.159
really silly and stupid, dorky Christmas
sweater that I think to most people will

1964
02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:50.960
just look like a nice dumb sweater
but has a secret, gross backstory that

1965
02:13:52.119 --> 02:13:58.000
you get you yes, and that
is that's on fourth Wall. But the

1966
02:13:58.119 --> 02:14:03.399
handy, my goodness. The easiest
way to find that, because that's not

1967
02:14:03.560 --> 02:14:07.720
on Bonfire. With the other merch
that is on fourth Wall vice versa,

1968
02:14:07.840 --> 02:14:11.960
that's on Bonfire, just go to
our patreon. That's fire Escape cast dot

1969
02:14:11.079 --> 02:14:15.279
com and then we are We have
a post about the sweater. You can't

1970
02:14:15.319 --> 02:14:18.319
miss it. Scroll down we have
the link to the page, or follow

1971
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:20.880
us on Instagram. We also put
a post up there. You too,

1972
02:14:22.039 --> 02:14:26.880
can raw dog your Christmas style this
season by going to fire Escape dot com

1973
02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:31.880
raw dog to dorky Christmas. You
can get it up for Christmas. I

1974
02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:37.359
can still get it up for Christmas. I have a question. That's a

1975
02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:41.479
good sweater too, still get it
up for Christmas. But the picture is

1976
02:14:41.479 --> 02:14:50.960
like somebody putting a tree that clearly
filthy good idea? Is Black Friday too

1977
02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.640
early to get a Christmas tree?
Like to put it up or go?

1978
02:14:54.800 --> 02:15:00.680
Get it too early? Yeah?
This year? No, it's the day

1979
02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:03.880
after. That's like the day it's
supposed to go out. Thanksgiving people,

1980
02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:11.319
I've heard December first for Black Friday. No, and even Thanksgiving in many

1981
02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:15.399
families traditions, like in my family, we would eat Thanksgiving dinner and then

1982
02:15:15.600 --> 02:15:18.479
we would put ornaments on this.
Yeah yeah, yeah, but I think

1983
02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:22.680
the reason we didn't do it the
day after when I was growing up is

1984
02:15:22.680 --> 02:15:26.920
because traffic fucking sucked on Black Friday
back when, back like when Black Friday

1985
02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:28.199
was still you had to leave your
house to go shop. I loved it.

1986
02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:31.600
I used to do that every fucking
time. I'd get up right,

1987
02:15:31.680 --> 02:15:33.279
stay up all night with my sisters. We'd go to we'd hit Walmart,

1988
02:15:33.359 --> 02:15:37.199
best Buy and we just Yeah,
it was good memories. I think Daniel

1989
02:15:37.279 --> 02:15:39.439
Dwyer to one because it turns out
they don't have a Thanksgiving in Ireland.

1990
02:15:39.600 --> 02:15:43.880
No, Yeah, they're heathens in
Ireland. I would know. I'm the

1991
02:15:43.960 --> 02:15:48.359
most Irish person in games media.
But yeah, outside of that, it's

1992
02:15:48.520 --> 02:15:52.079
uh, our tree is up,
it's looking good. We got a balsam

1993
02:15:52.159 --> 02:15:56.720
this year. I think we went
with a balsam last year as well.

1994
02:15:56.760 --> 02:15:58.920
We got like a foot shorter this
year. We went it's like a real

1995
02:16:00.119 --> 02:16:05.239
tree. Yep, there's fire.
There's several camp is too allergic to pinme.

1996
02:16:05.840 --> 02:16:07.880
Oh we go really well. No, So that's what I was talking

1997
02:16:07.920 --> 02:16:13.520
about. I guess that's a crucial
differentiator. When I was growing up,

1998
02:16:13.560 --> 02:16:16.239
we had a fake tree when I
was young. We would just go down

1999
02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.560
to the basement put that up on
Black Friday. If we're getting a real

2000
02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:22.760
tree. We often would not on
Black Friday because we would have to drive

2001
02:16:22.039 --> 02:16:28.039
to the tree lot and oh,
I see, that's why I brought the

2002
02:16:28.119 --> 02:16:31.600
traffic. But in Hoboken on Black
Friday, it's like it was no problem

2003
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to walk to the tree lot and
then bring the tree back. It's a

2004
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few blocks away. There's several tree
lots set up here. Oh, I

2005
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bought mine on Amazon in like September. Was it well? But it was

2006
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fake? Right? Yes? Today? Oh it's pre lit. Okay,

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we light our tree, we we
go. We got a bunch of ornaments.

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I don't know why that was an
important detail. Everybody has a bunch

2009
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of ornaments they put on the tree. I was curious, if you like

2010
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can order a real tree nowaday,
there's probably some place you could get it

2011
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at Amazon. They have a million
wonderful services. Amazon has a ton of

2012
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trees still. Mm hmm, oh, the the Amazon. That's our episode.

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That's the best possible joke I could
have told in that situation, Mary,

2014
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what are you going on? And
you're like, yeah, you don't

2015
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know, you don't, Yeah you
don't. Yeah, beat up comedians yet

2016
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you don't is such a weird three. This makes me want to beat up

2017
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a comedian real bad. I this
a comedian right after this episode, I'm

2018
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I'm wrapping Christmas presents. You can
actually see it behind me in the hallway.

2019
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I'm wrapping my family's Christmas presents and
mailing them. Do you get me?

2020
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Did you get us anything for when
you go to Minneapolis? I looked

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up something, but I haven't.
I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I

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shouldn't do that. I expect to
give you. Expect to giess okay,

2023
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and then I will be streaming on
Mondays on Twitch and then going to the

2024
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Game Awards with Dan and Mike.
I'm so excited to see you in person.

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We'll be on our on our couch
show. Yeah, the Game Awards.

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We have this conversation. I can't
wait at them for me. Oh

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right, I get it. Goode
Dan. Why do you have going on

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in your life? Not much,
right, sounds like you've been bored.

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No, just a lot of sitting
around. Yeah, you folks are coming

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over in a couple of weeks.
I think I'll have already done Hanson's Extra

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life thing by that point. Next
week, Uh, the ninth is our

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Game of the Year show in l
A. So if you can come,

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come, but if you want to
watch online Twitch dot tv Slash Giant Bomb

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and then exactly one week to the
day after the Giant Bomb. Game of

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the Year will be fire Escapes here, so make sure you watch twitch dot

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tv, slash Dan record or the
fire Escape YouTube as we said earlier,

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and we'll have a good time.
We got a lot of categories. We

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got to finesse it out, get
everything locked in, but we already have

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a lot of fun stuff there and
we'll have a good old time with everyone

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here in Minnesota. Jog my memory. How many games do we rank?

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Is it twenty five? Ten?
Right? We do our top ten?

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But for some reason I thought we
went we throw out a ton Like we

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basically go around and everyone like adds
games to the list that like we at

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least want to be represented in that
top ten conversation, and then we whittled

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down. Okay, that makes sense. When you start doing like Polygon,

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Giant bonm etcetera, it blurs together. I've never done Giant Bombs. I

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don't know why I said that.
Yeah, looking forward to it. It

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would be very fun. That's a
summer sixth thing. I look forward to

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our our goaty discussion. It's going
to be a good one this year.

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I'm preparing all my final arguments,
Twitch dot tv, slash Dan Rikert Firescape

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cast on YouTube. Get those bookmarked
for December sixteenth, or yes, if

2052
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the kids say bookmarket ye on your
Internet browser of choice, your Netscape navigators

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and so forth. Ask you or
just ask jeeves us you'll find us.

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But that's December sixteenth. It'll be
fun. You can't wait. It's gonna

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be a blast. Minnesota. You
next episode at our show