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At at Hey, everyone, thanks
so much for joining us for this special

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Thursday night episode of Dogging An Encounters
Radio. We've got a special show for

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you tonight where tonight's guest is going
to come on and talk about a pretty

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frightening encounter you had back in two
thousand and I think it was two thousand

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and seven. Well, before we
can do that, we of course need

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to bring him in here. So
why don't we do that now? Ethan,

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thanks so much for joining us.
Thank you, Rick, Oh,

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you know you're welcome. Then please
give us a brief bio in yourself.

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My name is Ethan. I'm thirty
three years old. I lived in southern

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Missouri, been a farmer most of
that time. Love to go outdoors,

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you know, hunting, fishing,
stuff like that, and just just a

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down to earth guy that you are. Didn't take long talking with you to

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realize how nice of a guy you
are. And yeah, what a life

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you live. That's a great life
you've carved out for yourself. I'm jealous,

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I really am. Oh I'm a
pretty simple guy and that's been VI

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real jealous about. Well that's a
good thing. That's a good way to

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live. Ethan late at night when
it's dark and quiet. How often do

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you think about dog men? Oh, it's a It's like a thought in

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the very very back of my head. I've tried to, you know,

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deal with it as I can,
try not to let it control me,

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but I just every now and then, when you're at night, out at

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night, I can just there's this
little thought in the back of my head

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that something's watching. So that's the
most the extent of it. Well,

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that's only natural after having experience like
the one that you had, So yeah,

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that's not a shock. How'd you
find out about the show? I

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was I can't even remember the name
of the podcast, but I was listening

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to another podcast and they were talking. They kind of started talking about dog

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Men a little bit, and they
said, if you want to listen to

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it, if you want a good
podcast, and they mentioned your name and

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your show. So I just looked
it up and started listening and really got

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into it. Well it goes with
that saying I'm so glad you found out

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about me and what I do.
That's good news. Are you a crop

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farmer or do you raise livestock?
Oh? We at the time of the

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encounter, we were a dairy farm, and then we sold that and now

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we primarily do beef cattle. So
I'm outside every day missing with something out

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there. So you raise beef cattle
now you're more likely to be injured by

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a beef cattle normally than a dairy
cow. Is it harder to do what

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you do now than what it was
back then when you had to get up

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at four am and bring the cows
into the barn to milk them. Oh

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no, no, this is twenty
times easier than that. I mean I

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still get up pretty early, but
I'm not near as currns for time,

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and I can be a little late
or a little early. It doesn't really

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matter. Just as long as I
get took care of, that's all I

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worry about. Well that's good.
Yeah. The reason why I said that

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is most people who aren't around cows
and don't deal with them, they would

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know that. They say that beef
cattle are normally more dangerous than dairy cows

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because you don't have to handle them
as often as you would a diary cow.

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I mean with adiry cow, you're
going to bring it into the barn

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twice a day. But with beef
cattle, for most people, some people

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don't do this, but most beef
farmers they just leave the cattle out there

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in the pasture, and if they
have to bring them into a shoot or

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something, they'll do that, but
otherwise it's totally hands off. So that's

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why I said that back then when
you had that encounter, Like I said

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just a bit ago, if you're
keeping dairy cows, you've got to be

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up at the crack of dawn,
actually way before that four am, bring

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the cows into the barn in the
dark, when it's full dark out.

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I can only imagine how horrible it
must have been having to do that.

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Still, even though you just had
a dog me an encounter, what more

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can you tell us about that?
Uh, it was just it was it

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was rough to deal with. Like
I said, at you know, the

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next I mean the next that's that
morning after it happened. You know,

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I came home with the bed and
then I got up that morning to go

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get cows. And I mean I
didn't I didn't sleep. I mean,

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I won't lie to anybody. Didn't
sleep. And uh, you know,

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being out there in the dark on
a four wheeler at four wheeler ATV It's

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just it was, it was scary
for quite a while. Actually, probably

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you tell me like it's solid two
months to kind of calm down and relax

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about it before I Actually it didn't
bother me as bad. Well, I'm

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glad you got over it eventually.
Were there times where you're ready to throw

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in the towel and say, you
know what, I just can't do this

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because you've got all those woods around
your farm, and you've got out buildings

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and so many places for that dog
me un to be hiding. At any

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point, did you almost throw the
towel in and say, you know what,

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I I just can't do this.
I give up. Uh, the

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thought was in my head. But
I've we've I've done it. I've done

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Oh. I've been a farmer,
like I said, most of my life.

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So just you know, I I
kind of it was kind of one

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deals that had to work through it
and deal with it. You know.

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I had deal with it by myself, which was rough. But other than

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that, I dealt with it and
I didn't try to let it. Like

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I said, I didn't try to
let it affect me because you know,

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I still got a life to live
and I still got to go out here

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and do these things. So I
try not to let it bother me too

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much. I mean, like I
said, I always said that feeling something

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was there, but I tried to
shake it off and keep going. Good

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man, I'm so glad you're able
to do that. I don't need to

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tell you a lot of people wouldn't
have been able to do that. They

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would have given up and maybe gone
and worked out of a cubicle someplace or

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something, which, yeah, that'd
be horrible if they're forced to do that.

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Know in the woods as well as
you do ethan, do you get

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frustrated when you hear it postulated the
dog me and eyewitnesses or just misidentifying black

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bears for the dogman they saw.
I mean I could, I could see

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it if you if you don't,
if you don't know what a bear looks

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like, then yes I could.
I could see you know, being like,

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well, I saw a dog man. I mean bears, you know,

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when they want to get rouled up
or territorial, you know, they'll

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stand up on two legs, you
know, let them know you're there.

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But all you got to do is
the bear, you know, get loud

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and get loud and make yourself as
big as possible. And try and scare

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them off. But I could see
some sort of misidentification if you know somebody

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who's not been around one. I
mean, you don't see a dog man

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every day, either, But you
know I could see it. Yeah,

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I can too. If the subject's
far away and it's really dark out and

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the person doesn't know much of anything
about animals, then yeah, that can

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happen. But there's so many cases
where these guys are right on top of

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an eyewitness where you can definitely see
there's more than enough light to see well,

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but still that's the go to.
No, it was a black bear.

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It was just a case of misidentification. Your encounter happen on October of

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two thousand and seven at a place
it's pretty close to your farm that you

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heard was haunted. What more can
you tell us about the place, Well,

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it's about fifty it's about roughly fifteen
minutes away from my where I'm where

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I live at now. Uh.
It was just we call them logging roads,

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and it's just a road cut through
the woods where you can drive.

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You drive trucks down. You drove
full wheelers side by side whatever, you

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know, and it was down.
It wasn't like terribly deep in the woods.

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But then again, you know,
I've been in the woods so much

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at night doing like coon hunting and
stuff like that, it didn't bother me

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to be down there. And we
were just doing it to be you know,

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young, young, dumb kids,
just trying to look for fun on

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a Friday or Saturday night, whatever
night it was looking for fun on that

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night. It's I mean, it
was kind of it's kind of brushy,

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but not terribly like. You can
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I mean, it wasn't It's not
bad, but I don't want I want

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to go back to it. Here. You two were looking for fun and

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wound up having a nightmare. That's
horrible. It really is, all right,

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Ethan, please tell us about your
encounter. Now, give us every

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last detail that comes to mind.
October two thousand and seven. Uh,

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I was seventeen and my friend of
mine, Uh, we got together just

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grat well, we heard about this
little supposed haunted, haunted spot in the

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woods, and we just wanted to
go check it out because you know,

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everybody talked, who've heard, like
some of the old timers around home talk

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about it, so we want to
go check it out. We got our

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pickup and drove down, drove down
there. We pulled on the dirt road

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and then took the turn into the
road and there's a hand painted sign.

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You know, people people think they
owned the woods, and they it's not

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Thursday own. They just try to
keep you out. Hand painted sign said

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like something like keep out or stay
out or something like that. And us

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being seventeen year old kids, you
know, we ignored the sign and kept

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driving down in the woods and it
kind of opened up to a spot where

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you could park the truck or get
turned around. So we turned truck around,

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excuse me, and we sat down, we said, we set on

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tailgate and we sat there for a
while. It's probably about ten ten thirty

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ish at night, a little bit
of moonlight out. We're just sitting on

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tailgate listening seeing if we could hear
something paranormal, I guess, and we

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heard some rustling in the bushes,
you know. But like I said,

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we me and my friend, we've
both been in we've been coon hunting,

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we've been deer hunting, been out
in the woods at night. So we

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just chalked it up to like,
you know, either a raccoon or deer

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moving around in the bushes. No
big deal. But uh, you know,

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you could hear it, but it
wasn't to us. It wasn't nothing

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of concerned. Then we sat there
and we got ready to go. So

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we got up and we shut the
tailgate and shuttail gate. Was standing there

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talking. The next thing, you
know, we heard a rumble and a

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rustle in the brush pretty close to
us, uh, probably roughly thirty yards

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from us, and it was big, and I was like, we both

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kind of looked at it and wondering, Hey, what the heck is this?

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You know, Then we heard a
low growl, but it was a

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low growl, but it was like
a It was like a dog. It

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sounded like a dog. To me. It sounded like a dog, like

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a dog like growl. So we
we stopped and looked. And then next

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thing, you know, this this
thing stands up behind this bush. It

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stands up from behind the bush and
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and a half seven feet tall.
And when I saw Vick's logo, that's

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what jogged my memory about how this
thing look I mean, it looked just

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like that had the ears, had
the yellow eyes, the tail, the

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stance, everything, this thing stands
up, and you know, we we

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get loud. You know, bear
at that time, bear was pretty rare

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around here, so you know,
if you saw one, it was you

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know, if you saw one,
it was everybody called you lucky because you

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actually saw one. And it stood
up and we got loud and yelled and

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everything and just stood there. And
well, us being country boys and farmers

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and hunters and all that, we
always have some sort of gun in the

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truck. Well, we got up
and or I went to the pastor's side

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of the truck and I grabbed a
twenty two mag. Now twenty two mags

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not a very big gun. It's
just it's you know, mainly like a

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farm gun or something like that.
It's not big, just something. We

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just carried it around, had it
with us, and I pulled it out

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and uh, my buddy, still
my buddy yelled. The kid's still yelling.

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And then I just pulled the gun
up and shot it. I heard.

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I heard the if you've shot,
if you've been around firearms and you

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target shot hunted, it doesn't matter
target shooting, hunting. Whatever you can

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hear, if it's close enough,
you can hear when a bullet hits.

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You can hear. It's a distinct
smack when a bullet hits. And I

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heard the bullet hit and I was
aiming dead center of it and heard it

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hit, and this thing just stood
there and looked at us. Well,

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I put the gun in the truck. We hurried up and got in the

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truck and uh, he started the
truck. He started the truck and we

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started drive out there. I mean
we couldn't go very fast, but as

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fast as we could handle it.
And we started driving out of the woods.

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Well, I looked, and this
thing's chasing us through the woods.

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I mean, it's falling us through
the woods. You can clearly see it

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running through the woods. And I
just told my buddy, like, hey,

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we gotta go, we gotta go. It's following us. And then

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we get up past we get up
to that handpainted sign I was telling you

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about earlier. We get up to
it, and uh, I think it

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stops right roughly in that area before
it crossed that boundary. Right there,

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it stops and it just stands there
and looks at us. And when we

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turned to go back to the highway
off the back on the dirt road.

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Sorry, when we turned to get
back on the dirt road. We saw

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it and it was standing there still, and then it just turned around and

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it went back in the woods,
and so we drove a town. We

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got back. We got back to
town to drop me off to my my

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truck, and we sit there and
talked about it a little bit, and

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my buddy's like, oh, it
was just a bear. It's just a

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bear. And I'm like, bears
don't have dolls years and sound like a

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dog, you know, they don't. They don't. Bears don't make that

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noise. And he just chalked it
up, well, we just got chased

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by a bear or something. It
wasn't it wasn't nothing serious, and he

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did he shook it off. But
it bothered. It bothered me bad,

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Like I said, it bothered me
bad. And I got home and in

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my mind, like most other people
that don't know what they're looking at,

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I was like, well, it's
a where It was a werewolf. That's

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what I said. It was a
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Like I said, I did not
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o'clock in the morning hit my arm
goes off to go get the dairy cows,

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and I get up and go out, and I get my four wheeler

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and started and then I get up
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And then I go down to the
field to start getting cows, you know,

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start getting around the cows and bringing
out to the barn. The whole

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time, I'm scared to death,
scared out of my mind, you know.

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And uh, I mean this it
messed with me really really bad,

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and like that's it. Yeah,
I didn't I didn't have nobody talk to

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my friend, you know, chalked
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Uh I. And you know,
I'm out there in the pitch bike

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darkfore sun comes up a few hours
before this. You know, I just

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got chased out of the woods of
what I thought was a were wolf.

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I'm scared to death, don't want
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Uh it took me. It it
took me about two months. About two

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months. It kind of took me
to get trying to show it back in

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my mind and deal with it on
my own and just go just do what

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I had to do, like I
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And then, uh, I would
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of January Uh. Down below our
milk barn, we had just we pushed

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out a bunch of trees to clear
out for some more pasture drownd. We

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pushed out a bunch of trees and
I had a at the time, I

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had a pit bull dog and me
and this me and this thing were close.

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I mean, he was a big
dog, wasn't scared of nothing,

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hated coyotes. He'd go fight coyotes
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stuff like that. And uh,
I wake up one night and this

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he's just he's sitting there staring out
my bedroom window, which is on the

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second story, and you can't see
the barn or anything from there, and

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he's just staring out my window and
he's got a growl, like a real

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defensive ready to fight throw. I
said, what's going on? I said,

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what's going on? Buddy? You
need to go outside. Well,

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he ran to the door, my
bedroom door. I opened it. We

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go downstairs, go out the back
door. I grabbed a flashlight and we

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start walking. And then you round
the corner by my parents' house where I

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was living at You around the corner
and uh, you can see the front

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of the barn and you can see
where we've been walking at well. I

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looked down there and it was another
pretty well well let moon that night.

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And uh, I see the thing
that I saw in the woods two through

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two, two and a half months
ago. I see that same outline walking

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across where we had just toast.
It walked across and it stopped because my

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dog was standing there drowling. It
stopped, it looked at me, looked

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at me and him, I would
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and then it turned and it his
head and it kept walking through the field

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and kept going south of the house. And after that that reignited that whole

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being, you know, somethings out
there in the wood, something out there

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in the dark in the woods watching
me. It missed with me. It

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messed with me for a while,
you know, But I hadn't you know,

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I didn't have anything else happened,
you know, anymore that I'm aware

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of anyways happened h And so,
like I said, I just kind of

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put it in the back of my
mind. Then I finally, you know,

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accepted it and moved on. And
I accepted that what I saw was

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either a werewolf or something nobody else
around here. Knows about. And I

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live in an area where you can't
go tell somebody you saw a sasquatch or

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a dog man and they take you
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so, you know, I kept
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know, I really hadn't really thought
about it a whole lot about the encounter,

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But that feeling that something's always out
there in the woods watching me is

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always It's always there. I mean
it's still there to this day, not

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as intense, but it's still there. I mean I still get it every

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once in a while when I go
outside in the dark to check a cow

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that we got in the pen next
to the house, or I have used

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wood wood for my heat in the
winter, and you know, I go

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outside and check my wood fire,
and I feel like something's standing out there

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in the edge of the yard,
just watching me. But uh, you

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know, uh try not to try
not to let it bother me. And

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I just keep trying. I let
it bother me and try to do the

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best that I can with it.
And I found, like I said,

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I found this show with another podcast, and I'm listening to it pretty religiously,

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and I heard I heard an encounter
kind of similar to mine, you

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know, getting chased out of the
woods and everything and running off. And

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I sit there and I just said, well, I need to get this.

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I need to get this story out
there. Just get this story out

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there for some other people, you
know, get it out there for others

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to hear and let them know that, you know, it can happen to

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anybody and anywhere. And maybe you
know me coming forward, maybe somebody else

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is sitting there struggling with an encounter
and they don't really want to talk about

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it. Maybe they can. Maybe
this will help them realize. You know,

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you may be dealing with it in
your own way or whatever, but

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if you talk about it, maybe
it can give you some kind of clothesure

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on it. Because after I told
my first conversation with Dick, I felt

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a little bit more. I felt
a lot more at ease here lately,

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you know, being outside and you
know, with my little bit of research

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that I consider research doing, you
know, I realized that they could have

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if this thing wanted to kill me
and my friend that night, we could

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have been killed that night. And
you know they're there. They could be

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watching you right now. You know, you could be sitting outside and they

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could be watching you right now and
you'll have you don't have no idea because,

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like I said, this thing just
come out of nowhere, it seem

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like. And then, uh,
you know, if I can I've told

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Vick several times, you know,
if this, if it's anything comes out

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of this and I can help somebody
or help them with you know, having

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to deal with this, and then
I'd be That's why I kind of wanted

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to do this, to see,
if you know, let people know that

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this can this can happen to anybody
anywhere, anytime, and you never know

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when it is going to happen.
But that's that's my encounter. Really is

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a shame that experiences like that have
to happen to people. But as you

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found out, it's first hand they
do. They do. Unfortunately, when

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you saw that dog man at the
farm, the thoughts that it come to

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mind that maybe it was the same
dog man you and your buddy saw that

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was coming back to pay you some
retribution, out to get retribution for you

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shooting it, or the thoughts like
that even cross your mind. I mean

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at the time when when when the
one at the farm happened, you know,

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I was just thinking, Holy crap, you know this, this thing's

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here, like I got one here, and you know I didn't. I

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couldn't tell you if it was the
same one or not. But you know,

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uh, part of me did think, you know, I mean,

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it could be the one that came
to you know, it could be the

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one that I shot. And maybe
he's like, hey, I got your

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stent. I know where you live, so uh let's ah, I'm back

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just to let you know. Hey, I'm here. I know where you're

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at, so here you are here? I am well. I can only

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action the thoughts it must have been
going through read that's intense. How far

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is that place where you and your
buddy had that first encounter from your farm?

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It will it's I want to say, roughly fifteen minutes north north northwest

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of my house. I could I
mean, like I say, I could

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drive there right now and I could
take you right to the road. But

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I haven't been, Like, I
haven't been down that road in years.

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I refuse to go down that road
after this expinence. I mean, that's

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only like real bad negative thing I
could get out of it is I don't

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go down to dirt road an this
one dirt road anymore. Like I avoided,

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like the plague. And you know, I've had people want to go

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down this dirt road and I tell
them, I don't want to go this

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way. I don't like this road
or something. So it's like fifteen to

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twenty minutes, i'd say from the
house. It's pretty close, too close

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for comfort. Is it possible to
get to that spot, the haunted spot

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from your farm without ever leaving the
woods? You could do it? It

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was. I mean, there's a
couple there's a couple of highways you'd have

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to cross. But I mean for
you know, but you know, I've

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seen deer, you know, traveling
a pretty good little radius around the house.

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You know. You know, I've
seen deer travel quite away. Some

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same deer at my place had been
in a neighbor's place, you know,

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five minutes away, five minutes away
from me. So it does It wouldn't

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shock me that something could come through
the woods, you know, come through

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the woods and cross them. I
mean, like I said, it had

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to cross a couple of highways,
but nothing major. Well, I could

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probably go underneath the highway too,
following a creek or something like that.

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I'm sure couldn't it. Oh yeah, there's there's a I know at least

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of one creek that it could is
something hit you know, this dog man

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or something could go through the creek
to get to there too. I mean,

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like I say, there's a lot
of a lot of national forest,

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you know between me and my house. I mean, like like I was

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telling you that a night, you
look up my driveway and see national forest

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right in front of my house,
out in front of my driveway. So

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all that connects pretty well, pretty
solidly, you know, other than a

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few farms and houses here and there
in between. But if it wouldn't surprise

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me a bit if something went through
the river or something like that to get

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around yeah, just might have in
fifteen minutes away. That might seem like

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a pretty good distance to be uninitiated. But for a dog, any that

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is just a hop skipping to jump. Unfortunately, from what I understand,

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that friend who was with you when
you had that first encounter isn't with us

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anymore. What happened to him?
He, like I said, we're country

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boys and stuff like that, were
country boys and farmers. We he used

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to do. He used to do
rodeos, and I used to work at

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work the bulls at the rodeos,
and he had a full writing accident that

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November, not roughly roughly about a
month from the time it happened. He

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had a he had a bad bull
riding accident and died. Died at the

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died on the way to the hospital. So wow, Yeah, it was

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it was a rough time, like
I said, And then you know,

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the only other person that experienced this
with me wasn't here, so I had

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nobody else. Yeah, that's horrible. How old was he? Uh?

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Seventeen? We Uh, I just
that October? Actually I just turned eighteen.

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I just I just turned eighteen.
I was seventeen going on eighteen when

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the encounter happened, right before my
eighteen birthday. And then he was seventeen,

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so we were juniors in high school. Way too young for something like

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that to happened. Was that a
junior rodeo, because if he wasn't even

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eighteen, he couldn't ride with the
men, could he? Uh? No,

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it was a heat They have the
rodeos we did. They had a

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junior they had a junior class.
So it wasn't near as how do I

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put it, not near as nasty
or mean bulls like they were still bull,

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they were learning, how they were
being trained how to become bucking bulls.

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And like I say, it was
just a freak accident. You know,

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the bull got under his vest.
He wore a protective vest and a

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helmet. The bull just got in
between the vest and his shirt and poked.

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And I don't I didn't don't know
exactly what happened, how that happened,

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but he got poked and broke something
and it punctured some I don't remember.

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Like I said, it's been year. I just know it was a

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bad rodeo accident. And I was
there. That's all I can tell you.

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I was there. Yeah, I'd
say it must have been a bad

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rodeo accident. Yeah, with him
being seventeen underage like that, Yeah,

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it's not like they're going to put
him on Bodacious or anything. But yeah,

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I guess even with the team down
bowls that aren't experienced, it could

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be awfully dangerous. Still unfortunately,
Well, let's get into the listener questions

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now, Ethan. Before I do
that, though, if you have a

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question for Ethan and you're in the
live chat, please be sure to type

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your question in all caps. That
way I won't miss it, or at

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least hopefully I'm not going to miss
it. The first question for you,

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though, is from David Smooth,
and Dave wants to know how Ethan did

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the dog man have a blige on
its back, like a hunchback sort of?

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It's hard to tell because it was, like I said, this thing

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was when it stood up, it
was facing us. I mean it may

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have been hunched. I like I
said, I don't know. I kind

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of I didn't have time to really, I didn't give myself a whole lot

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of time to example what was happening. I was just trying to get out

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of a bad situation and then hopefully
not make a worse situation out of it.

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Oh sure, yeah, I mean
you're doing good to know your own

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name. You're just trying to get
out of there on one piece. So

410
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:27.319
that's totally understandable that you didn't pick
out certain details like that. I've got

411
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.400
another one for you from Do Something
Deff, and that question is Ethan,

412
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:40.240
was it slim or was it wide
with big shoulders? It was it was

413
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.400
wide, it was wide, it
was it was very it was muscular.

414
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.079
I know that. I mean you
couldn't I couldn't see like, you know,

415
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:51.079
perfect muscle tone because I said of
lit night. But it wasn't perfect.

416
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.119
You know, I'm a perfect edition
where I could explain it perfectly.

417
00:31:53.160 --> 00:32:00.440
But it was it stood. It
was wide with big shoulders and it was

418
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:05.240
Yeah, it was big for sure. Oh I'm sure it was. If

419
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.440
it was only seven feet tall,
though that's a juvenile. That's a small

420
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:12.039
dog man. But when you see
a seven footer, that's still going to

421
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.440
get your motor running. So I
understand, I've got a question for you

422
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:21.079
that you already answered, but no
one's perfect. I'll just answer this for

423
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.799
David. David Smooth asked it.
He wants to know did it follow you

424
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.599
home? Well, he did have
an encounter with another dog man that morning.

425
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:32.200
His dog alerted him to its presence
that morning, but he thinks that

426
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.519
just might have been the same dog
man. He doesn't know for sure,

427
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.680
but I wouldn't be surprised in the
least if it was the same one.

428
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:49.839
The next question is from Shennan Ubenezer, and Shennon's question is maybe I missed

429
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.119
it, but what state and county
did this happen in? Now that's up

430
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.160
to you whether you answer that and
give a specific location, Ethan, but

431
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.480
if you want to answer it,
you can. Uh, they happened in

432
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.559
southern I live in southern Missouri,
so it happened in southern Missouri. Uh.

433
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.519
I don't really know what county it
happened in, because that spot's kind

434
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.680
of a weird lay of how our
county's come together right there. So it

435
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.480
could be one of three that I
know of, But I honestly couldn't tell

436
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:22.960
you what county. But it was
in southern Missouri. That's accurate enough.

437
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:29.480
Looks like Zerith the Alchemist is who
type the next question, They want to

438
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:36.559
know what was your very first thought
when you saw it? Well, like

439
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.960
I said, at first, you
know, I thought maybe a bear,

440
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.079
Like I said, at the time, at that time around here, bears

441
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:51.000
were rare. They were here but
not seen very often. And uh,

442
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.920
this thing, like I said,
I first thought was a bear. But

443
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:59.640
then when you start looking and you
start seeing the the dog gears and the

444
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.279
cane I in shape head and everything, you know, that's when I realized

445
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:08.440
we weren't dealing with a bear.
No, you weren't. You definitely weren't

446
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.559
having cattle on the farm, and
I'm sure you had some other animals around

447
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:21.480
too. Did you ever suffer any
losses strange losses? Not not really,

448
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:28.239
Uh, we had I haven't a
neighbor. Then then just like a couple

449
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.360
of days after the one at the
farm happened, I had a neighbor.

450
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.400
He probably lives, I would say, roughly a quarter mile from my house

451
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:40.519
where I lived. And uh,
I saw him at breakfast or something a

452
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.039
couple of days later, and he
was telling me how a couple of nights

453
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.199
ago, the night of the farm
encounter, he was like, man,

454
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.519
you know, my dogs were going
crazy. He's you could hear him bark

455
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.360
in every I mean, you go
out there right now and hearing bark and

456
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.400
I guarantee you. But uh,
he just he said, man, you

457
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.880
know my dogs, but my dogs
are acting crazy the other night, you

458
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:02.320
know, like I've never seen him
so scared, and they were whimpering and

459
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.599
scared, and they wanted in the
house. And he's like, I opened

460
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.599
the door and they all come in
and curled up around my feet, wouldn't

461
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.000
leave the house till the next day. And I was like, ah,

462
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.079
man, you know, maybe they
got a whiff or something they didn't like.

463
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.239
I don't know, you know how
dogs are, Oh, yeah,

464
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.920
that I do. Did your dog
ever do that? Was he ever reluctant

465
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:30.199
to go outside after that one morning? Not really? I mean, like

466
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.960
I said, he was more of
a protector kind of dog. Like I

467
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.920
mean, he didn't like he did
not like coyotes. I mean, this

468
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.840
dog, they start howling, they
pipe up here at night, you know,

469
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.199
and he would his ears would perk
up. And if, like I

470
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:51.239
said, if he wasn't inside,
if outside before during the night, he

471
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:52.760
would run off and he goes.
I mean, this dog would fight him.

472
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.559
I mean that's well, that's how
he how he died. He got

473
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.239
to fight with him and they finally
overtook him. But he would fight these

474
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.320
things. He is real protective and
he just he just want to be outside

475
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.519
and prowl around and make sure nothing
nothing or nobody was messing with nothing.

476
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:14.880
They shouldn't be. Sounds like you
had security down, Pat. I'm so

477
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.079
sorry to hear that you lost him
though. How big was he? He

478
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.840
said he was a pet. Oh, oh golly, he was. I

479
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.599
don't remember how much he weighed.
He was he was a really muscular pit

480
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.639
bull. I will say that he
was a very muscular pit bull and he

481
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.800
was happy. I can tell you
that. I mean, this sucker lay

482
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.320
in bed with me every night.
I thought it was just like laing next

483
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.599
to a full size uma most nights. So he's pretty big. He must

484
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.440
have been big. H You know, pitts can be pretty darn big that

485
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:50.960
they can. Well, I've got
another question for you. This one's from

486
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.360
Joe, and Joe wants to know
how scary looking are these dog men?

487
00:36:54.599 --> 00:37:01.960
Can you describe what they look like? Well, uh, they're they're pretty

488
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:07.519
terrifying. That's not gonna lie.
They're pretty terrifying if you've never never seen

489
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.239
anything like that. I mean,
the unknown is scary as it is,

490
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.960
but you know, you see something
like that, you're you're scary. I

491
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.960
mean you're terrified. I mean that's
all there is to it. Uh.

492
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.320
They're pretty scary and making they'll like, you know, they'll make you.

493
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.639
They make you think. You know, what if you can see that,

494
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.320
then what else is out here?
You know? And that's how I was

495
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:31.320
and the best I can describe from
my experience. Now there's different types,

496
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.320
you know, so uh, but
from my experience, it was if you

497
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.760
see VIC logo, that's what it
looked like to me. I mean that's

498
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.840
what mine roughly look like to me. You know, same ears, yellow

499
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:53.880
eyes, tails, standing on two
legs. I mean, they're they're You

500
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.679
don't want to see one if I
hope nobody here ever has to see one,

501
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:04.559
because it's a it's a mind,
it's a it's a game changer,

502
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.119
and it makes you. It makes
you sit and think about what could actually

503
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.960
be out there in the woods.
Yes, it does. If they can

504
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.239
be out there, what else can
be out there? It makes you wonder

505
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.639
if there's something that is even more
frightening than them. You never know.

506
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.480
I've got another one for you from
Mike Triple seven year and Mike wants to

507
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:30.239
know, did you try to speak
to it in the second sighting? No,

508
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.599
No, I didn't. Uh like
I said, uh uh just don't

509
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.320
like my dog. He just kind
of he reacted to something outside. He

510
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.480
reacted to something going on outside,
and I I didn't sit and talk to

511
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.760
it. I didn't try to talk
to it. I was more shocked.

512
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:53.159
I was more shocked and scared trying
not to pee my pants because this thing's

513
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.440
just as is just as closely as
right by my house now, So you

514
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.239
know, I've I didn't think to
talk to it or nothing, but it

515
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.400
we looked at each other. It
made eye contact with me and the dog

516
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.719
for about ten or fifteen seconds,
and then it just turned and walked straight

517
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.199
to the south. So no,
I didn't try to speak to it.

518
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.519
I understand you had a lot on
your mind at the time. The next

519
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.760
one is from Philip Blair, and
it's more of a general question I'm gonna

520
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.320
take. He wants to know as
a dog man ever dined on human meat.

521
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.719
I'm pretty sure they have, but
it definitely doesn't seem to be a

522
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.719
common occurrence. I've gone over this
several times before on shows, multiple shows

523
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:42.159
in the past. You're listening to
someone who's literally spoken with thousands upon thousands

524
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.960
of dogmen eyewitnesses, and the grand
total of credible eye witnesses who've ever told

525
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.880
me about being intentionally harmed by the
dog men or dog men they encountered as

526
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:59.320
a whopping six or a seven.
That right there tells me that these guys

527
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.559
cannot be wired to kill you as
soon as the opportunity presents itself. If

528
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.400
they were wired that way, then
there's no way I would have spoken with

529
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:13.559
thousands upon thousands of people. Tons
of them were caught dead to rights in

530
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.440
very compromising situations where if the dog
man wanted to dispatch them, haul them

531
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.880
off into the woods, do whatever, no one else in the world would

532
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.239
ever be the wiser. But instead
of that happening, the dog man allowed

533
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.239
them to leave with that single scratch. So that tells me that, yeah,

534
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.880
these guys cannot be wired to try
and rip you apart as soon as

535
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.199
the opportunity presents itself. Now,
that doesn't preclude the chance that if you

536
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:43.480
have a dog man encounter, that
the one that you encounter might not try

537
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.719
to harm you or kill you.
Because yeah, for anything that's out there,

538
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.960
you're gonna find deviant examples, whether
you're talking about pigs or camels,

539
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:57.320
or horses or goats, housecats,
you name it, elephants, if it

540
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.559
has teeth and or claws or the
ability to hurt you period, well if

541
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.719
it's having a bad day. If
you have a devent example, people even

542
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.840
they are deviant people. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy. So yeah,

543
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.559
it just it's so widespread. You
name the critter out there, like I

544
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:21.280
said, and you're going to find
devent examples that will harm you or kill

545
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.480
you if they can, so why
should dogmen be any different? But that's

546
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:31.039
not a common thing when it comes
to looking across the big picture the numbers

547
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.920
of dogmen out there. No,
it's not something where it's not a case

548
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.960
where every dog man is going to
try and do that if you have an

549
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:44.320
encounter with one. But yeah,
to answer your question, Philip, unfortunately,

550
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.920
I think it has happened before.
I wouldn't be surprised. The next

551
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:54.599
question would be from Robert doc Stater, and Robert's question is when it was

552
00:41:54.679 --> 00:42:04.199
chasing you guys, was it on
too or four legs? I the best

553
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.000
that I can remember, Like I
said, it's been a while ago,

554
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.119
but it was. It started out
on two and then when I looked out

555
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:15.519
the back glass, it was on
four. And then like we got to

556
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.719
the like I said, when we
passed that little homemade sign or whatever,

557
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.519
this thing stopped and it stood up. It was standing up when it stopped,

558
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.039
So I think it was chasing us
on four and then transitioned back to

559
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:31.119
two. And from the best that
I can remember, it must have really

560
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:36.840
shaken you up when it went up
onto two legs. Oh oh yeah,

561
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.480
definitely. Like I said, the
thing stood up and then it chased us

562
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.840
and then it's standing there on the
edge of the woods watching us leave.

563
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:45.559
So yeah, it was. We
were sure. I was shook up,

564
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.800
but I don't know about my buddy, but I was really shook up.

565
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.800
Oh, I'm sure he was too. I bet money on that. The

566
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:59.519
next question is from Daniel J.
And Dan's question is did your pit bull

567
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:05.079
see it when you went outside?
And how did it react? Yeah,

568
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.239
I he did see it. I'm
almost positive he saw it, but he

569
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.159
didn't he didn't like sit down or
whimper. And Tucky's tail between the legs

570
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.480
and he stood. He was standing
up and like the hair, the hair

571
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.880
on the back of his neck.
You know how the dogs get when they're

572
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.119
really they are threatened or scared,
you know, threatened or wanting to get

573
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.280
mad, their hair stands up on
the neck. I know that it was

574
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.079
hair was standing up on his neck, and he was staring straight in the

575
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:36.239
direction that it was at. And
he followed it through the He followed it

576
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.280
as it walked to the south from
where it stopped, and whenever it got

577
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:44.559
done looking, it walked off.
He followed it and then, being curious

578
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:45.920
to all, he kind of wanted
to go after it. But as I

579
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.039
yelled at him, said, hey, he's gonna ask, you know,

580
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.199
he turned around and went to the
house, and he was on high I

581
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.239
mean he was on high alert for
the rest of the night. You know.

582
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:59.320
He set he sat by the door. He's sitting there walk looking at

583
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:05.559
the door most night. I'm so
glad you listened to you and turned around,

584
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.480
because I don't think it would have
gone well if he would have headed

585
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:14.519
into the woods. Got another one
for you from Michael Ree. So Michael

586
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.519
wants to know, Ethan, could
you tell what color it's here? Was

587
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.800
the first encounter, not really,
because like I said, you know,

588
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:30.599
it was pretty. It was a
it was a trying to hurry it like

589
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.760
instinct took over, trying to get
out of a bad situation, you know,

590
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.440
like kryd of trying to get out
of a bad predicament or something like

591
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.039
that. So like I didn't really
pay attention, you know, I shot

592
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.000
and that was it. Then I
I would say, the second one had

593
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.800
better lighting that night, and it
kind of had the same colors you know,

594
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.039
as a it looked kind of the
same colors as a coyot, like

595
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:59.320
the grays and the browns and everything
mixed in. But that's the best.

596
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.159
That's a the best I can tell
you. It looked like I had the

597
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:07.360
toleration of Akyo. That's a good
description. The next one is from be

598
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:13.760
kind, I try to be.
Their question is did you feel a shift

599
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:21.920
in the atmosphere now? Not really
like you know, I hear a lot

600
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.039
of these stories that I've listened to, you know, and people have said,

601
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:28.960
you know, that existential grid kicks
in, like I'm going to die.

602
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.360
I didn't really. I didn't really
think anything was at the time.

603
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.719
I didn't know what was going to
happen. I just knew I needed to

604
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:42.599
get myself out of the situation in
fact, you know, to civilization or

605
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:52.000
out of that area or whatever.
But it never, it never never felt

606
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.800
awkward or strange feelings or anything like
that. And then even in this second

607
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.159
encounting no, I didn't know what
was going on. My dog was just

608
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:02.039
freaking out about something in the backyard
for all I knew. So I as

609
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.440
far as I knew it was a
possum in the backyard or something, and

610
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.119
walked outside, you know, and
I mean I froze, I froze.

611
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.039
I didn't feel anything in the atmosphere. But I froze when I saw it

612
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.960
and got a little startled and scared. Sure would have been awfully nice if

613
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.480
it would have just been a possum
back there. Yeah, a lot better

614
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.000
than a dog man. I've got
another one for you from Keith from sixteen

615
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.880
seventy five, and Keith wants to
know did the cattle react in any way,

616
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:39.719
maybe showing distress? Oh, at
the cattle, where were they?

617
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:44.800
They were to the north, I
mean, and when it came from the

618
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.079
north, the direction it was walking, it looked like it came from the

619
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:52.800
north. But the cattle were in
a backfield, and as far as I

620
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.280
could tell, even the next morning, you know, getting up to go

621
00:46:54.320 --> 00:47:00.239
get them, they didn't seem if
we bothered by anything. They're just that

622
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.880
I woke them up and making them
go up to this barn again. Well,

623
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.639
that be so alternative. Thank goodness, it wasn't out there giving them

624
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.079
a hard time. And I've got
another great question for you from Anthony.

625
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.400
You guys are asking some great questions
tonight. I'm really impressed. Anthony wants

626
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:23.360
to know have you ever seen bigfoot
on the property? Not any kind of

627
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:29.760
signs or anything like that. I
mean, I'm not real well versed or

628
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.480
well researched on Bigfoot, so I
couldn't tell you that there could be one

629
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.320
here for all I know. I
mean, there could be one here,

630
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.280
but as far as I know of
right now, as of today, you

631
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:45.719
know, there, I haven't seen
anything like that. Well that's good.

632
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.239
You've got that dog man possibly hanging
around. You don't need sasquatch coming around.

633
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.519
If they're the unfriendly type that is
complicating things. Yeah, that definitely

634
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:01.719
wouldn't be good, not good at
all. The next question would be from

635
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.840
truth Iris, and their question is
what was the story or stories of why

636
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:15.440
that area was considered to be haunted. Well, you know, so the

637
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:21.159
story was years ago, and like
I said, oh, the old timers,

638
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.519
the old timers were telling us these
stories when we were kids, you

639
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.400
know, kind of scarce us and
everything. Story goes, there's a guy

640
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.280
who went down there, I don't
it, went down there to deer hunt,

641
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:37.079
and supposedly he went crazy because he
kept hearing voices and seeing stuff and

642
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:43.519
stuff like that. And his wife
hadn't heard from him in so many days,

643
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.559
and so she called the sheriff and
the conservation and I asked him to

644
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.000
go out there and check on him. And when they got there, the

645
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:54.000
campsite was abandoned, his gun was
his gun was laying in the tent.

646
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.360
Everything. It was like he just
got up and walked away, like no

647
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.000
sign of like a struggle or anything
like that. And you know, like

648
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.519
I said, it was we thought
it, and it might be true.

649
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.360
I don't know. We didn't ever
hear nothing, but you know, it

650
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.800
was just a story that a bunch
of old timers like our grandparents and great

651
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.280
grandparents told us to scare us.
I guess, just to get a rise

652
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.519
out of us. Yeah. I
hope it's not true. That wouldn't be

653
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.159
good at all. The next one
is from baby Girl, and her question

654
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.519
is did it get off a foul
Did it give off a foul odor?

655
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:37.880
Not. I didn't notice anything different
smelling in the woods at the time.

656
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.480
Like I said, you know,
I've been in the woods a lot.

657
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.840
I never smelled anything like a wit. I never smelled anything like wet dog

658
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:51.400
or rotten flesh or anything like that
whenever I my encounters. Now, you've

659
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.360
already established the fact that people in
your area poo pooh things like that.

660
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:59.480
If someone came forward and talked about
seeing a dog man or a booger or

661
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.239
something like that. But did you
ever try to share that experience with any

662
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:08.320
family members and if so, how
did they respond. I don't. I

663
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.440
didn't talk to any family members about
it because, like I say, you

664
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.400
know, uh, my dad is
a My dad is a very no nonsense

665
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.320
kind of guy when it comes to
stuff like that, like ghost stories,

666
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.760
he don't believe. He don't believe
ghost you don't believe bigfoot. He don't

667
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.760
believe any of that stuff. My
mom is a little bit more, you

668
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.960
know, like, oh, ghosts
are real and stuff like that, but

669
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.920
you know, you don't. She's
kind of like my dad. You know,

670
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.760
Bigfoot grandparents are the same way.
Bigfoot that doesn't exist. You know.

671
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.559
It's like we were talking earlier.
You know, may miss misidentified it

672
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.480
as something else, like it could
have been a bear, it could have

673
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:51.679
been this or that. It'sn't funny
how so many people will believe in things

674
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.119
that you can't touch, but when
it comes to things like dog men and

675
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:59.440
sasquatch, you most definitely can.
No, that's crazy not buying that.

676
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:06.599
Well, it's a free country.
I guess you can think whatever you want.

677
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.719
The next question for you is from
Chelsea, a brotherson, and Chelsea's

678
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:16.920
question is did you believe in dog
man before your encounter? I did not

679
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.239
know what a dog man was,
to be honest with you. I mean,

680
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.719
you know, you hear the stories. I think the big popular thing

681
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.079
at that time was the Michigan dog
Man. But you know in that video

682
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.840
that come out with it charging through
the woods and everything. But I chalk

683
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.599
that up as hopes or whatever,
you know, because I mean, you

684
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:43.639
know, how did they find his
video in the middle of the woods in

685
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:50.440
the winter in Michigan. I mean, you know, but I never I

686
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.440
never knew what a dog man was. And it was until about a year

687
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.239
or so ago when I found a
podcast. I still didn't know what a

688
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.519
dog man was. I considered it
or and that's what I thought it was.

689
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:07.199
Yeah, had every reason to believe
that, that's for sure. The

690
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:13.679
next question is from Robert Dockstader,
and Robert's question is were the eyes glowing?

691
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.360
Oh? I would I would guess
they were. I mean I saw

692
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.760
the color of them, you know, I mean, yeah, I would

693
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.960
say they're yellow. I don't I
don't remember. I don't think there was

694
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.719
the second encounter had the yellow eyes
that I can recall, but uh,

695
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.480
the first one I did notice the
yellow eyes, but we didn't have flashlight

696
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.840
shining in his eyes or anything like
that. We were just kind of,

697
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.440
you know, like, oh my
god, what is this thing that just

698
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.159
stood up in front of us,
amongst other thoughts going through your head.

699
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.400
So, yeah, that's understandable.
And a little bit ago. Zari the

700
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:59.199
Alchemist asked if you had heard about
any boogers being in the area, But

701
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:04.119
that question was asked about five minutes
ago, so he's already answered that.

702
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.960
He said, not that he has
heard of, but I'm sure that there

703
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:14.280
that's a prime area, so I'd
be surprised if they weren't. And earlier

704
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.679
on, right around the very start
of the show, I saw a question

705
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:23.880
or a comment from De Truth.
I can't really remember exactly how he posed

706
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.039
it here. I'm going to scroll
up here. I want to find it

707
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:32.039
so I can quote him. Where
is that question? It was a good

708
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:39.280
comment because it was said in a
jocular manner, but there's a serious answer

709
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.719
to that question. Okay, here
it is. Yeah, d Truth said,

710
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.199
I thought Vic was gonna say cattle
are more dangerous than dog men laugh

711
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.360
out loud, Well, cattle actually
are more dangerous than dog men, and

712
00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.480
I'll tell you why. A bit
ago I mentioned the fact that I've spoken

713
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:05.719
with thousands upon thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses
about their encounters, and the grand total

714
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.400
of credible eyewitnesses who've ever told me
about intentionally being harmed by one is a

715
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.599
whopping six or seven. That's a
paltry figure when it comes to the pool

716
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:22.039
of thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses I've
spoken with. Well, the reason why

717
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.320
I know that cattle are much more
dangerous to be around than dog men is

718
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.480
the fact that if you spoke with
thousands upon thousands of people like Ethan here

719
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.199
who have had contact with cows with
cattle, and ask them, Okay,

720
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.119
how many of you have ever been
intentionally harmed by a cow or a cat

721
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.119
told that you've interacted with, that
number would be in the hundreds. It

722
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:51.199
would be in the hundreds. If
you spoke with people about horses, like

723
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.400
I said earlier, that figure also
would be in the hundreds. So that

724
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.119
does tell you it's hard to believe, as it might be. The numbers

725
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.280
clearly show so that if you have
an interaction with the dog man, the

726
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.800
odds of you being harmed are actually
a lot lower than if you interact with

727
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.719
a cow or a horse, or
a pig, or a camel or an

728
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.360
elephant. You name the animal.
So that's something to think about. The

729
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.559
numbers don't lie. I know that's
going to have a lot of people up

730
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:25.800
in arms, but the numbers don't
lie. Let's look for the next question.

731
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.960
Let me scrawl all the way back
down here. The next one is

732
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:38.760
from Ready Steady Retro and their question
is question for Ethan, do you ever

733
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:46.119
dream about dog men or about that
night since it happened? Oh not,

734
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.000
many many years. I haven't had
it now after it happened, you know,

735
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.360
I dream about the whole thing going
in my head, you know,

736
00:55:54.719 --> 00:56:00.320
the whole being chased by this,
like I said at time, not knowing

737
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.920
better, being chased by a wearwolf. You know that's that's not something that

738
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.800
happens to the every every day man. You know, you don't get chased

739
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.760
by things like that usually. So
I had a little bit of nightmares,

740
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.480
fight dreams about it, I mean, but like I said, you know,

741
00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:19.039
I just try to work through it
on my own and not let it

742
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.719
get to me and just kind of
as like I said, I'd be outside

743
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.559
in dealing with it outside every day. Didn't have a choice, So I'm

744
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:29.440
trying not to let it bother me. And I eventually, like I said,

745
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.280
I have not in years, haven't
had a dream or anything about one.

746
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.000
Well, thank goodness for that.
I hope your nights of having nightmares

747
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.840
about these guys are a thing of
the past. But I'm wondering when you

748
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.320
did have those nightmares back then,
did you have nightmares about the encounters you

749
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:52.400
actually had had or were they about
other things, imaginary scenarios that never happened

750
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:59.800
with these guys, well some of
them. For the most part, you

751
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:04.599
know, it was like just it
was almost like watching a movie pretty much,

752
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:08.000
is how it felt like like watching
a movie, whenever you just see

753
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.599
it happening from a distance, see
the thing chasing in, you know,

754
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:19.639
and everything like that. And then
like the one at the farm, that

755
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.679
one. I had one really bad
one about that one. And like I

756
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.960
said, this was a minor,
minor compared to what I dealt with in

757
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.480
the woods. But uh, the
one at the farm, you know,

758
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:34.199
I had dreams where you know,
I do the whole thing, let the

759
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.920
dog out and this thing come running
at me, and then I'd wake up

760
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.880
scared, sweating, painting and everything
else. But for the most part,

761
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.760
it was just like sitting back in
a movie and just reliving watching the moment

762
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:51.559
from a dis watching everything that happened, or for me, what happened that

763
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:53.599
night. Near didn't hold a candle
to that first encounter you have, but

764
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:58.840
I'm sure it was definitely bad enough. I don't doubt that at all.

765
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.599
Be Kind has another question for you. They want to know. I'm curious,

766
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:06.840
by a chance, are you are
each blooded? Just trying to find

767
00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:14.000
a connection. I don't know.
I don't have a don't have a clue.

768
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:15.599
I haven't had I don't know.
We're right off the top of my

769
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.800
head. Oh that's all right.
I couldn't tell you my blood type either,

770
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:25.400
So no harm, no foul at
all. This might seem like a

771
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:30.360
strange question to ask you, Ethan, but there's a reason behind it.

772
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:35.119
At any time in your life,
and there's a funny story behind this question

773
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.039
too. I've had so many people
and ask this question the answer in such

774
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:40.800
a funny way. I'll get to
that in just a bit. There.

775
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.719
I'm get ahead of myself. At
any time in your life. Have you

776
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:52.559
ever played in any way with a
Wiji board. No, I'm not that

777
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.800
kind of guy. I don't.
I'm a religious guy, you know.

778
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.239
I believe in God and stuff,
and that's just I've never heard of a

779
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:06.599
good experience with one of those.
And I just feel like that's a that's

780
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.000
just a surefire away to make sure
that something bad is going to happen.

781
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:15.480
And I don't want no part of
them, and I avoid them. Avoid

782
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:21.199
them if they are ever brought up
or are around. Good idea, that's

783
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:23.639
a really good idea to stay away
from them. Now, back to what

784
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:28.639
I was hinting at. You would
not believe how many times behind the scenes

785
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:35.039
I've asked eye witnesses that very question. In return, the response I've gotten

786
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.599
was no, No, I've never
played with the Wiji board before. No.

787
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.920
And then I go and start to
see something, Well, besides the

788
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:45.079
one time when I was in college, but I only played with it for

789
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.920
fifteen minutes, so that doesn't count. And I'm thinking, what in the

790
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:58.639
world that's playing with a Wiji board. It seems like when I ask that

791
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:07.760
question about I say about ninety percent
of the time, maybe maybe ninety five

792
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:09.760
percent of the time when I asked
that question, the answer is yes.

793
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.920
So maybe there is a connection there. I wouldn't be surprised if there is

794
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:21.599
a definite connection anyway. The next
question for you is from Robert Dockstader,

795
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.119
and Robert wants to know if your
buddy was still alive, what do you

796
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:30.400
think he would have thought about your
second encounter. Oh, he would have

797
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:32.880
hated a laughed at me. Ruther. He hit a laugh at me and

798
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.119
told me I was dreaming or half
asleep whenever I walked out the door.

799
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.679
I mean it's like I said,
he he sit there and he thought it

800
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:44.039
was a bird. He thought it
was a bear that chased this. Other

801
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.280
words, I mean like I told
him. You know, bears don't have

802
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.480
dog ears, they don't have dog
shaped heads, they don't growl like a

803
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:54.679
dog. So I mean all the
things A point to me is a dog

804
01:00:54.840 --> 01:01:00.440
thing a dog thing or I didn't
say to him, werewolf, but he

805
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:06.440
would have. He would have laughed
and joked around. Knowing you as well

806
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.360
as he did. He had to
know that you knew animals inside announce.

807
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:14.800
So there's no way you're going to
mistake a black beer for what you actually

808
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:19.800
saw, So if you did pose
that idea, shame on him. That

809
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.400
wouldn't be right. The next question
is from Mike Triple seven year, and

810
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.880
Mike wants to know, did you
go back to look for tracks? He's

811
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:36.519
talking about the asking about the second
encounter. No, and it was for

812
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:38.760
I didn't go look for tracks,
And it was because I didn't want to

813
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.800
look for tracks because I didn't want
to know. I didn't want to know

814
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.320
that it was. I didn't want
to know it was around. I mean,

815
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:50.119
and there very possibly could have been
tracks there because like I said,

816
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:54.360
it was freshly freshly dozed ground,
so I mean it was soft and you

817
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:58.559
know anything. I mean I walked
through there because like I said, we

818
01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:01.880
cleared it out tree and cut trees
up for you know, logs and firewood

819
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.760
and stuff, so I mean we
left footprints down there all the time,

820
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.960
so they were probably there, But
I, like I said, I was

821
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.280
not. I was not curious enough
to go look because I didn't want to

822
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.880
know. Yeah, sometimes it's better
not to know, So I don't blame

823
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:22.320
you there after you had that second
encounter, though, Ethan, has anything

824
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:29.719
at all ever happened on your property
close to your property around it that you

825
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:37.679
think just might have been dogman related, not that I like, not that

826
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.639
I'm aware of. Like, we
haven't you know, we haven't had I

827
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.360
haven't heard of anything like cattle or
because we, like I say, we're

828
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.960
we've got a bunch of some We
had a lot of neighbors around us that

829
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.960
you know, they raised cattle too, And you've never heard any of them

830
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.519
come up and say, well,
man, I had I had several of

831
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:59.480
catt you know, got mauled or
anything. I never had anything like that.

832
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:05.880
Uh never, Like I said,
the only thing that had happened was

833
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.760
the neighbor that lived down the road
said that night that I had the second

834
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.639
encounter, you know, the night
that he said that night his dogs were

835
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.960
scared and whimpering and wanting in the
house and stuff like that. But that

836
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.800
was all I ever heard about.
Well, thank goodness, there wasn't much

837
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.639
in the way of activity that might
have been dogging in related activity. But

838
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.360
it's better to have to guess than
to know. I've got one for you

839
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.239
from Chelsea a brothers. Then Chelsea
wants to know, do you worry about

840
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:44.079
having another encounter? Uh? I
don't. I mean that thought's there you

841
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:47.480
know that it could possibly happen,
but you never, like, you never

842
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:51.719
know what these things. I mean, like I say, I hunt religiously.

843
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:53.800
I mean every year. I'm a
turkey hunter. I'm a deer hunter.

844
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:00.199
Not so much into coonhounds anymore.
But I used to go counehunt when

845
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.199
I was, you know, in
high school in my early twenties. And

846
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:09.159
you know, I've been out of
the dark tracking deer after I've shot them

847
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:14.559
or something like that, and never
ran into anything since then. So I

848
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.559
hope to never have one, you
know, but there is a possibility,

849
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.920
you know, they could show back
up and they could still be here for

850
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.239
all I know, Yeah they might. I hope they're not, but it's

851
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:32.039
possible they might be sticking around.
I've got another one four you from Jwayo,

852
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:39.159
Carlos Fernandez, Papa Sidio and Howayo's
question is, what do you believe

853
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:48.119
they are animals, aliens, spirits, demons. H I for me,

854
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:55.440
I believe they're a flesh and brood
creature because I mean, I've never shot

855
01:04:55.440 --> 01:05:00.480
a ghost or an alien or a
demon or anything like that. But you

856
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.119
know, like I said, I
shot this thing and I heard a bullet

857
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:08.679
hit it. I heard the bullet
smack and hit this thing, and that

858
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.119
just right there, Til told me. You know, looking back, even

859
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.199
now, you know this thing was
real, like it's like live flesh and

860
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:21.199
blood creatures. It just might be
right. It's so hard to know for

861
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:26.599
sure what they are. All we
can do is yes. This question is

862
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.960
more of a general question from Save
to Last Zombie, and that question is

863
01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:36.440
what is the tallest recorded or reported
dog me in? The tallest reported dog

864
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:41.719
me in from a credible source I've
ever heard about, was eleven twelve feet.

865
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.039
Now, you can hear stories about
fourteen, seventeen, twenty foot,

866
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:50.280
fifty foot ninety foot tall dog men, but I don't buy any of that.

867
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:56.400
The I think they probably top out
at eleven or twelve feet could be

868
01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:01.880
wrong, but that's my opinion.
I'm sticking to it. The next question

869
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:08.360
would be from Ready Steady Retro,
and their question is do you have or

870
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:12.639
if you have children now or in
the future, would you educate them?

871
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:17.199
Would you educate them about dog men? Well? I don't have any children

872
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:24.679
right now, but uh, I
mean, you know I would tell my

873
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:28.480
children, if you know, I
tell my kids about this and just kind

874
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:32.199
of leave up to them if they
want to believe it or not. You

875
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:36.280
know. Uh, it's one of
the things you know, you can only

876
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.639
you can only tell somebody something somebody
you know, tell something something, sell

877
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.679
somebody something, you know, and
if they take it how they want to

878
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:46.679
take it, you know. I
mean, if they want to believe that,

879
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.719
oh my gosh, dad saw a
dog man or oh Dad was probably

880
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:57.840
in the woods doing something you shouldn't
have been doing and just had a hallucination

881
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.440
whatever, you know. Like I
say, I would tell them the story,

882
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:03.400
but I would leave it up to
them to decide how they wanted to

883
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:10.639
deal with it. That's admirable,
as you know, you're going to have

884
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:15.440
kids that you know your kids better
than anyone. There are kids out there

885
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:16.760
that a parent's going to know.
Okay, this kid right here, I've

886
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:21.559
got no business telling them anything like
this. But yeah, for most kids,

887
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:26.360
I think it would be a good
idea to let them know fore warned

888
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.159
is forearmed. That is above a
certain age. Of course, you don't

889
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.079
want to tell a four year old
or a five year old something like that,

890
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:36.719
but yeah, I think it is
a good idea above a certain age

891
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:41.840
to make sure they know what's really
out there and not to lie to them.

892
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:46.000
So that's a good policy to have, my opinion. Looks like Keith

893
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:50.760
from sixteen seventy five has another question
for you. Keith wants to know while

894
01:07:50.840 --> 01:08:00.280
hunting, have you encountered in the
animal kill sites that seemed unusual? Not

895
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.599
not nothing out of the normal?
You know, uh, Because I mean

896
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:10.440
if you've ever been hunting, you
know, like you you you know,

897
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:14.119
cut the animal and everything and you
try to do it there in the woods,

898
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.600
you know, away from the house
to keep everybody happy for not having

899
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:21.680
to smell anything. So, but
you know I've seen but that's like a

900
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:25.840
big like around here. That's like
the big thing, like during deer season

901
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.640
or anything like that. Coyotes that's
all they do all night long. You

902
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:31.039
you got a gut pile in the
woods, that's where they're at. Or

903
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:35.359
you know, you had a cow. You know, we've had cows die

904
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:39.399
and we've got a spot on the
place that we take them when they're dead,

905
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:43.399
and that night you can hear the
coyotes cutting up them back there eating.

906
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:48.079
So but as for unusual kill sides, no, I've never seen anything

907
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:53.479
like that that I know of.
Well, I'm sure you'd know if you

908
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:58.239
saw one. Zarith the Alchemist is
another one for you. He wants to

909
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:04.199
know, ever heard of any crazy
weird howls in the woods? No,

910
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:10.079
uh not. You know, you'll
hear coyotes every once in a while,

911
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.319
they'll have a different tone, tone
and stuff. But like I said,

912
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:17.159
I've been in the woods my whole
most of my life and hunted and stuff

913
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:25.560
like that, and I've never I've
never heard anything strange and unusual that ain't

914
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:30.960
that hasn't been out of place or
anything like that. Well, hopefully that

915
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:38.000
means there's not a population around on
a regular basis at least. Andrew Whiteman

916
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:42.079
has a question for you. Andrew
wants to know whatn't telling kids about dog

917
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:48.520
men be along the same lines as
warning them about sharks. I mean I

918
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:55.199
would, yeah, it's but like
I don't. I don't deal with sharks,

919
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:59.439
so I would have to put it
in some other terms like, oh,

920
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:03.760
you know, but like you know, if you encounter now bear is

921
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:09.880
actually populated here, like it's actually
recognized here now, and you know,

922
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.560
I'll be like, well, if
you're in the woods, you see a

923
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.680
bear, you know, stuff like
that. But uh, you know,

924
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:18.159
yeah, it would be in this
along the same mind, so like,

925
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:23.239
hey, you know, watch out
for sharks or watch out for bears or

926
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:27.119
whatever. But until I have a
kid, you know, I won't be

927
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:30.520
able to tell you what it'd be
like to tell them like at that or

928
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:32.359
a shark. That probably leave me
more about a short than he will about

929
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:36.720
a dog man. Yeah, they
probably would. I can guarantee you it'd

930
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.800
be interesting trying to explain it to
him, though that's a given. I've

931
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.920
got a comment. It's not a
question from ded truth. He said,

932
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.079
can you imagine what an attraction a
dog man would be in a zoo?

933
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:56.319
Yeah? That would pack in the
visitors. Definitely would. But I'm sorry,

934
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.159
no, you're fine. I'm just
saying it would. Definitely. It

935
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:01.760
would definitely open your eyes up to
what they're actually, what they are,

936
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:04.079
what they are, and what they
can do. Like you know what they

937
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.720
are, you will you? I
mean you could see what they could do.

938
01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:12.000
I guess if they were ready to. I mean, these things can

939
01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.600
do what they want, when they
want, where they want. So if

940
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:16.560
it didn't want to be there in
that cage anymore, it could just break

941
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.199
out of that cage and go back
out to doing what it did before.

942
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:25.359
Yeah, I don't think it could
be very easy to keep them in captivity

943
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.319
at all. What's about time for
us to get out of here, Ethan.

944
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:30.960
But before we do, do you
have any closing comments you'd like to

945
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:36.319
share? I just I just want
to say thank you to you, Vick

946
01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.199
for you know, getting in contact
with me and talking to me and finally

947
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.560
let me have somebody to tell this
to you. That will you know what

948
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:48.439
they listen and if anybody, like
I said before, if anybody out there

949
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:54.880
is having a hard time with one
of these encounters, you know, uh,

950
01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.640
it's I mean, it's scary.
I can tell you one hundred percent

951
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.560
fact, it's scary and it'll mess
with you and I know it will.

952
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:08.039
But if you know, if you're
struggling with this and you don't you know,

953
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.479
you like me, and don't have
really anybody to talk to you about

954
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:14.399
it, then reach out to VIC
and you know, submit a report.

955
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:15.680
You don't have to come on the
show and do it. I wanted to

956
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.600
come on the show to do it, you know, because if this story

957
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:24.600
can help anybody, then you know, as long as if somebody got something

958
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:29.399
of this and it helps them in
the long run. Then I feel like

959
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:32.279
I've done something, you know,
But like I say, don't don't let

960
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:34.760
it eat at you. Try your
bet. I know it's hard, but

961
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.000
try your best not to let it
eat at you and try to get help

962
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:45.399
so you don't sacrifice the things you
love all because of a bad encounter that

963
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:50.680
you had and scared you. Than
staying in the house, because just because

964
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:56.439
you're in the house doesn't mean you're
safe, just like being in the daylight

965
01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.319
doesn't mean you're safe. That's all
very well said, because you're right,

966
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.560
yeah, being in the house,
that doesn't mean you're safe at all,

967
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:08.520
not by a long shot. If
a dogman wants to get you and it's

968
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.439
got access to you, in other
words, you're in its area, it

969
01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:14.960
can get you, and that's all
there is to it. But having said

970
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.159
that, thanks again so much for
coming on and sharing the details of those

971
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:23.640
experiences with us, Ethan. I
really appreciate it. Thank you. I'm

972
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.000
glad I could do it and I
hopefully helps somebody. Oh I'm sure it

973
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.840
has. I don't doubt that at
all. Well, thanks against some of

974
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:35.319
your time and have a great night. Okay you too. Thanks, We'll

975
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:41.600
see all right. Bye. And
for everyone listening, if you've had a

976
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.359
dog mean encounter and would like to
speak with me about it. Like Ethan

977
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:47.399
said, you don't have to come
on the show. That's never a requirement.

978
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:53.119
All you would need to do is
please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

979
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.680
submit a report. If you do
that, then I'll be more than happy

980
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.920
to schedule conversation with you. But
everyone listening, also, thanks so much

981
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.119
for tuning into this special episode and
just for supporting the show in general.

982
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:10.840
Can't tell you how much I appreciate
it. But having said that, thanks

983
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.000
again so much, and have a
great night.