WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:07.400 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:12.839 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.679 nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.679 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:29.519 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, and welcome 6 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:35.679 to Open Minds Radio. This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and we 7 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:40.280 have a fun show today. We've got a local guy here, Joseph Apolo. 8 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:46.719 He goes by just Apollo and he does meetings out here. He's been 9 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:53.640 an investigator into UFOs and ET contact for thirty years now. He's part Cherokee. 10 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.799 He has a little Italian throwing in there too, But he likes to 11 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:02.600 look at this matter from a Native American perspective, and that's what we'll be 12 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.680 talking about today. A lot of the Native American legends out there. He 13 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:12.319 says that there are many tribal elders who have been recently coming out about their 14 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:19.319 tribal secrets regarding ET, so that's exciting because I kind of feel the same 15 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.040 way. Really, it's kind of the different background culturally that I have that 16 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:27.400 got me into all of this. So I'm really excited to talk to him, 17 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:30.959 and I know he's really excited to be on the show. Great fun 18 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:37.040 guy, He's got a good group out here. Also, we've got some 19 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.239 changes to the show coming up, good and bad. In fact, I 20 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:45.959 don't even know if our engineer way knows about these changes. We'll see, 21 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:51.840 but we've only got three shows left here on kfn X. Oh, I 22 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:56.719 guess he didn't know, No, he didn't. So in the four weeks, 23 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.280 we're going to be moving back to seven pm. And here's what a 24 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.159 lot of you listeners are going to like is that we are going to switch 25 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:07.239 back to an hour and a half format. We've got a lot of people 26 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.080 asking for the show to be longer, so we will have a longer show. 27 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.599 Yet again, I'm gonna miss it here in the studio because it's a 28 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:20.560 lot of fun and the staff here at KFNX is great. But we'll be 29 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.840 online as usual. We'll go back. Some of you I've been on following 30 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.240 the show for a while might remember kind of the cool stuff we were able 31 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:30.560 to do in our TV studio, so we'll be going back to doing that 32 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.080 kind of thing, and of course we'll still be podcasting and everything. So 33 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:40.240 all of our new Phoenix metro area listeners, like our guests tonight, you're 34 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:45.919 just gonna have to listen online or watch us of course at Openminds dot tv. 35 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.120 You can always watch us live and chat with us on the internet. 36 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.000 I'll miss you, buddy. Well don't say goodbye. Yeah, we've seen 37 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:58.159 here for a couple more weeks. Now you have time to save up some 38 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:04.280 money to get a guest exists good bye exactly. So that's the big news. 39 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.280 Other big news, of course, is the UFO Congress coming up in 40 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:13.120 February this week. In fact, even tomorrow, we'll probably be sending out 41 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:20.080 our notice of registration, so you can already start registering for the UFO Congress 42 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:25.319 twenty eleven. And we will also have a list of about ten of the 43 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.240 confirmed speakers. Of course, we're going to have twenty plus speakers. But 44 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.639 and we're not blending you in on everything yet, but we're going to give 45 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.319 you a taste of what it's going to be like. And a bunch of 46 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.800 the speakers out there I'll give you some little insider. Let's see who can 47 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:42.439 I think of off the top of my head, Jim Mars, Lloyd Pie, 48 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.240 those are going to be some of them. Stan friedman everybody loves. 49 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.199 We got to have him back, and I'll tell you what. He did 50 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.039 this new talk at mofon that was really good and people loved it. I 51 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:54.879 know people come out and say, oh, I already heard his talks, 52 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:59.919 but a lot of people have move on. We're saying, you know what, 53 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.240 I've heard Stan Stock for decades, but he did something new. It 54 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:08.120 It was really good talking about Stephen Hawkings. So we've got a lot of 55 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.080 great people coming up. So check out the website tomorrow, or if you're 56 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.240 on our email list, then you will receive an email tomorrow saying register for 57 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:20.959 the Congress. And here's some of the cool people we got. Speaking of 58 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:27.800 cool people, I am always joined by a very cool dude, Jason McClellan, 59 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:31.639 our news guy, and of course we're always posting the latest news on 60 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.720 UFOs on the website, and Jason is here to let us in on what's 61 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:43.000 been going down. Greeting Zalahandro, Hello, Hello Phoenix, and hello world. 62 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.079 This is your Open Minds News Brief for Monday, August second, twenty 63 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.480 ten. Holy cow, It's August. A European film crew paid a visit 64 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:58.079 to Needles, California yesterday to do a story on a UFO that reportedly crashed 65 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:02.519 south of Needles in May two thousand eight. The story has certainly received previous 66 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:08.360 attention from US media companies. George Knapp from KLAS, the CBS affiliate in 67 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.120 Las Vegas, did a series of stories regarding this incident, and it was 68 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:16.040 also featured on the History Channel series UFO Hunters. KTOX, the radio station 69 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.720 in Needles, says it gets calls all the time from Europeans interested in information 70 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:25.680 relating to the two thousand and eight crash. The European film crew doesn't have 71 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.319 firm details, but they do hope to have the project they are producing air 72 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:33.480 to on the Travel Channel. Alejandro, you know more about this Needles incident, 73 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.800 don't you? Yeah? This is a whole George Nap story. You 74 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:43.959 can go YouTube the George Nap coverage. He's of course a guy in Las 75 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.519 Vegas who's an investigator and a reporter, but really interesting. Bob down by 76 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.680 the river, who saw this stuff, felt harassed and took off and George 77 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.240 couldn't find Bob down the river for a the while. But really interesting case. 78 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.720 In fact, some of those black, you know, unmarked cars were 79 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.720 driving around and George saw one on the highway. He flaked it down and 80 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.040 to find out what happened with the conversation, which was very interesting. You're 81 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.199 gonna have to go look it up. So look up George Knapp's investigations on 82 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.160 needles. The details of this crash and this story are interesting with you know, 83 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:24.680 details that don't seem to be seen in other cases, I mean to 84 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:29.959 a teal or a turquoise UFO. Yeah, really weird and actually witnessing a 85 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:31.839 crash. And you know, I know George quite a bit. He's had 86 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:35.959 me on coast to coast when he hosts sometimes. But we're still having problems 87 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:42.079 getting him to confirm speaking at the congress. So call him up and say, 88 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.759 George, you have to speak at the UFO Congress. Tell us about 89 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.639 needles live and in person. I'd love to hear more from him, or 90 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:51.879 email him. If you don't have his phone number, there you go. 91 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:59.519 Probably not. A UFO was seen in Pretorious, South Africa last week two 92 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.040 consecutive nights. A witness described the object as having very bright lights and being 93 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:08.720 almost heart shaped. On the second night, neighbors gathered to watch the object 94 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.959 and even watched it through binoculars, but were unable to make out its shape. 95 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.600 The South African Air Force, the Johannesburg Planetarium, and the Hercules Police 96 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:21.360 Station had no knowledge of the incident, but still a group of people gathered 97 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.199 in thought two nights in a row. Mm hmm. Yeah, those are 98 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:31.079 always interesting and it happens frequently, but it's fun to hear about the international 99 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:38.079 sightings as well. Oh yeah, because there's so many. Investigative journalist Leslie 100 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.079 Keen has published a new book about UFOs. But what is grabbing people's attention 101 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.040 is the author of the books forward. Former President Clinton's chief of staff, 102 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.959 John Podesta, is lending his name to this new book on UFOs, entitled 103 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:56.360 UFOs Generals, Pilots, Government Officials go on the record. While Podesta's involvement 104 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.360 may surprise some, there are others who know that Podesta has gone on record 105 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:05.399 before advocating the Pentagon's release of classified government documents relating the UFOs. Leslie Keyne's 106 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.959 book goes on sale August tenth. Of course, our first magazine, we 107 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:15.240 had an article on that written by yours truly, that's right. A woman 108 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:20.079 in Newberry spotted a UFO. Last week in the UK, Sandra Bartholomew and 109 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:26.079 her husband spotted the fast moving blue light in the sky at ten thirty pm. 110 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.120 Their first assumption was that they were seeing a balloon, but after observing 111 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.679 the light move quickly then shoot towards the moon, they firmly believed that what 112 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:39.360 they saw was no balloon and no Chinese lantern, something that is commonly reported 113 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.840 as a UFO. Yep. And our upcoming magazine, the fourth issue, 114 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:48.480 we're going to have a story similar like that. Someone wrote into us and 115 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:50.840 I wrote back to that guy and said, hey, we're going to use 116 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.759 your story in the magazine. This is someone in the UK. And he 117 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.440 said, oh great, because I saw this thing again and here's what it 118 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.759 looked like. So pretty cool. That's really cool. And when I was 119 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.360 reading this and you know, hearing about the movements again, we've been hearing 120 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.840 a lot about things and the movements that shouldn't be what the Chinese lantern is 121 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.799 making. So it's a good identifier. But my first uh, thought was 122 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.519 that, oh, it's blue, you know, not these orange balls we've 123 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.960 been hearing about a lot lately, and Chinese lanterns typically are orange. But 124 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.919 if you go on any website and look at the Chinese landers, they come 125 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.360 in a variety of colors. You can get any color you want, so 126 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.080 that the color doesn't rule it out right away. Yeah, And I hadn't 127 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:31.159 gone to the fireworks stores, so I was surprised when Debbie told me that 128 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.960 they were selling these things at all the fireworks stores, because I remember when 129 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.799 I used to go to them a long time ago, they didn't have those 130 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.519 things. They seem to be a new uh favorite. Yeah. Another UFO 131 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:48.559 siding from last week in the skies above Brazil, passengers observed a UFO while 132 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:52.799 their plane was above Rio de Janeiro. The object was described as an egg 133 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.480 shaped ball of light and it seemed to follow the plane for two minutes. 134 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.000 Apparently, some passengers were even screaming because they thought the plane in the UFO 135 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:05.039 were going to hit each other. A passenger, though, fortunately managed to 136 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.840 take photos of the object out his window. And if you're watching the stream, 137 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.840 we have a nice picture of that. It's difficult to make out, 138 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:13.720 of course, but it does look like an egg shaped ball of light. 139 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:16.480 Tell me, ah, yeah, do you know? Of course there's a 140 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.519 Lanni's and more case Sikora, which we're writing about in this upcoming magazine too. 141 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.960 But you know you can read about that in lots of places. That 142 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.399 was a very convincing case for some people, and that was egg shaped. 143 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.360 So it sounds incredible. It sounds like work from Mork or Mork from Mork. 144 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.519 I get those mixed step. It's more from work, isn't it, 145 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.159 because it's more Commindy. I'm having fun listening to you. Yeah, but 146 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:50.039 yeah, people see these egg shaped white oval craft like that. Every time 147 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.519 I get on an airplane, I spend the whole flight looking out the window. 148 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.919 Me too, I always think of cloud City though, Yeah, that's 149 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.519 true. I think we're too alike. And to revisit a story we've been 150 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:07.519 following the Chinese airport. They was shut down several weeks ago by a UFO. 151 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.320 The airport shut down for hours because an unidentified object was hovering over the 152 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.399 airport. Still, several weeks later, no official word about what shut the 153 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.440 airport down. What was in this guys? Like we talked about last week, 154 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.320 and we just wrote another story up yesterday. There's a lot of confusion 155 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.320 about what's real what's not real. But they even confirmed that there are no 156 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.279 photos except for one and no videos. Only one photo, like we wrote 157 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.600 about in our story last week, that is related to this sighting. It 158 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.480 was a photo that was taken after and not at the airport, and it 159 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.200 turned out to be an airplane. But as for the original event, there's 160 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:52.639 still no explanation. Right, And this story was fascinating because it grabbed so 161 00:11:52.879 --> 00:12:00.039 much media attention, a lot of US media attention, major news sources, 162 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.279 and since then, since the official word came out, or official word the 163 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.879 only statem instead of come out about, oh, this photo doesn't seem to 164 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:13.360 be related to the incident, these major news sources only are reporting on that 165 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.960 fact. Right. They're coming back saying, oh, well, the photo 166 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.840 isn't real, so I guess we're not interested anymore. Yeah, And they 167 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.120 came there forgetting the fact that the airport was shut down by some obset in 168 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.519 the sky and they just completely dropped the story. Yeah, I mean, 169 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.159 why would you shut down an airport. This is a big airport, So 170 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.639 that's still a very strange part to this whole story, and that now they 171 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:41.639 actually said two crews and passengers had seen it before they said it was one 172 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.080 plane and crew that had seen it. Yep, we'll continue following this story. 173 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.120 I know you recently published another article on the website about it, so 174 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.759 we are certainly following any updates. And you can read about these stories and 175 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.960 more at Openminds dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your 176 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.480 open Minds News course fund at Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed. Thank 177 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.840 you, Jason. I have a feeling that that they'll just leave edit, 178 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.360 that we'll never find out, they'll never talk about it anymore. That happens 179 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.480 a lot. But other stories we have on the web. I Jess porosted 180 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.039 one on Gordon Cooper astronaut, one of the first guys spend a lot of 181 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.240 time in space. And we have one on the michelin Man. You know 182 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.879 that weird looking alien thing. People have actually seen that coming out of UFOs. 183 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:28.039 Check it out open Minds at TV. We'll be back in a sec. 184 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.320 Open Minds production is Prout present the twentieth anniversary of the International UFO Congress, 185 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.000 coming to its new home with the Ratist Importantalle Resort in Casino at South 186 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.440 til Arizona. This is the premier annual event for UFO researchers, enthusiasts, 187 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.519 and the general public with an interest in mysterious phenomenon. Come listens to expert 188 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.639 ecologists, government officials, and respected scientists presenting information relating to the UFOs, 189 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.480 extraterrestrials, crop circles, abductions, cover ups and more. The largest UFO 190 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.559 conference in the country tenure at the International UFO Congress ex place February twenty third 191 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.840 to February twenty seventh to the UFO Congress dot com from more information, including 192 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:13.039 sponsorship and vendor opportunities. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on 193 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:20.720 KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back, friends, We've got our 194 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.440 guest Apollo on the line. Are you there, Hello, Alali Andre? 195 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.159 How are you good? Did you do the whole? A la la lajandro? 196 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:33.720 Like that song. I've been practicing saying it that way for a week. 197 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.919 I have yet to hear this song. I hear a lot about it, 198 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.320 but I don't think I've heard a little bit. I think, but 199 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.159 that's it. I'm afraid of watching the video because I hear it's kind of 200 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.480 So how are you. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on, 201 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.399 Arire. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for coming on. So 202 00:14:54.559 --> 00:15:01.440 you've been into this subject and researching it for over thirty years now. Oh 203 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.159 absolutely, And before before I get started, I just really want to thank 204 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.960 you for not only having me, and let me say first of all, 205 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.519 as one of our representatives here of the local UFO community in Phoenix, I 206 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:20.000 want to acknowledge the work that you're doing, Alejandro and and Open Mind are 207 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.159 doing to promote research in the UFO field and to welcome you guys the Phoenix 208 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:31.600 and we are particularly excited everybody that's an organization is bringing the International UFO Congress 209 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:35.120 to the old Leblo. So so thank you for being there, buddy and 210 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.240 all that you do. Well. Thanks for the compliment. I'm loving it 211 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.799 here and I plan on sticking around for a while. Buy the house, 212 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.440 forginness sakes. Oh you're gonna be here. Oh wow, we're happy. 213 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.559 We're happy about that. I just a little bit of mentioned about my background 214 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:56.879 with the Native American perspective. As you know, as many as as your 215 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.480 audience members may or may not know, Alejandro, the contact with ets that 216 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.440 have been occurring over one hundreds and thousands of years, from the grasslands to 217 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:10.600 of Africa to the bad Men of South Dakota, and the native peoples have 218 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:17.480 interacted uh and commune with aliens from another world, and through their ceremonies they've 219 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:25.559 danced and ritualized their relationships with these things from other galaxies. In the North 220 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.519 American tribes they were known as are the Wanley or the or the bird tribe, 221 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:36.639 the the Chippewa Indians talk of the dijenguins or the flying boats, which 222 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:42.039 are reminiscent of the the solar boats of the Egyptian, Franciscan Navajos and the 223 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:48.440 Pains, and the Hope's televe of the Golden strangers from the skies in flying 224 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:56.799 canoes armed with their terrifying electrical rays. So there there's plenty of of you 225 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:02.720 know, given given a bad experience for time, native people that have been 226 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:10.039 dealing with the ET phenomenon certainly much longer than our minor contemporary society has. 227 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.359 I think it only makes sense that we look to native cultures as a as 228 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.160 a compass to guide us through the complexities you know, of the UFO feelings, 229 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.079 and that's really been my focus of my work. Well, I think 230 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.240 that makes a lot of sense. I mean, when you research this field, 231 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:32.240 you hear a lot about even when you look into alleged Air Force research, 232 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:36.279 or if you look into not so alleged, such as the physics manual 233 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:41.559 that they used to teach at the Air Force Academy, which included a chapter 234 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.640 on UFOs and it talked about how, most likely we've been visited for thousands 235 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:51.359 of years. If that's the case, it would make sense that native cultures 236 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.039 might have a lot more information if they've had have a track record of communicating 237 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:03.759 with different beings out in any discussion about Native tribal perspectives on extraterrestrials, you 238 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.480 know, one as to talk about prophecy, let me say as an introduction 239 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.640 to that that an important aspect of Native culture is not only here, but 240 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.799 from around the world, are its prophecies that have been handed down by words 241 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:21.119 now for hundreds of thousands of years. These prophecies, along with their spiritual 242 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:26.200 and religious implications, also serve Vallejandro culturally as a means to ensure the future 243 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.680 survival of the tribe, and what the elders of the many tribes are beginning 244 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:36.839 to see are signs that the fulfillment of these prophecies are at hand, many 245 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.759 of which have to do with the environmental and spiritual state of our planet, 246 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:45.720 as well as knowledge of and the returning of the star nations or star elders, 247 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.839 which is the term you know, many tribes used to describe extra traustials, 248 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.440 you know. And because of these signs, many of the tribal elders 249 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.920 have felt it was time to go outside to try to talk about the prophecy, 250 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.880 to reveal some of the long held tribal secrets regarding ets, as the 251 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.640 fulfillment of these popsys have planetary implications. They will effect all who live on 252 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.119 planet Earth. And if I may let me say that, why, I 253 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.720 think it's important to listen to what these native people have to say. In 254 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:21.240 order to do so, I believe we need to look as a society how 255 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.480 we get our information about anything, and it's usually through the news, which 256 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.279 you know, more or less is under some sort of governmental control, as 257 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.680 well as from our educational and religious institutions, all of which historically has shown 258 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.599 to have some sort of agenda for the control of the masses. Now, 259 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.839 on the other hand, native prophecies and viewpoints about the world has been handed 260 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.920 down for one hundreds and thousand years by word of mouth with only one agenda, 261 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.480 and that is to ensure the surveiment of the tribe. So in essence, 262 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:53.799 there's no metal man like our governmental official or corporation with an agenda to 263 00:19:53.960 --> 00:20:00.680 twist information or to stay manipulate the thinking, or to hide something from me, 264 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.839 which had did a lot of hiding from us a lot of information. 265 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:10.559 So information gleaned from Native prophecy is information. It's pure state coming to directly 266 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:14.880 from my ancestors. So it's information for the people, not the power structures. 267 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.559 So that's wildly They're very important. Yeah, you know, one thing 268 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.519 I always found was interesting because I have I'm from the San Luis Valley, 269 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.720 which is full of Mexicans Native Americans, like we say there, you know, 270 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:32.759 we didn't cross the border. The border crossed us. And you know, 271 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.519 it always hit me and I think that's why I had a tendency to 272 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.240 be more open minded, is that, you know, when it came to 273 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.240 Native people and others, when you talk about some of these mysteries. It 274 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.160 was like, oh interesting and open mind. You know I heard this story, 275 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.359 I heard that story, or this is part of my culture. And 276 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.319 it was, you know, a very open type of listening and respecting the 277 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.119 person who tells you. Whereas and the other side in the western kind of 278 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:07.759 contemporary culture, there's it's highly emotionally charged. You can't say you saw a 279 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:14.519 UFO about sometimes people getting upset or getting very emotional and often disrespectful. And 280 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.720 I always thought, wow, you know that just didn't feel comfortable to me. 281 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:25.160 Right, yes, yes, and you know I think that you know, 282 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:30.480 things are things are changing more now people. Uh, it used to 283 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.519 be you're crazy to believe in UFOs, and now it's you're almost crazy if 284 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.039 you don't believe there's life on other planets, right right? Oh yeah. 285 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.640 Have you heard of Rainbow Eagle. He is someone who has learned some some 286 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:49.000 things from the elders in the Southeastern area, and he is a Choctaw and 287 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.599 he does some talks that are similar to what you're talking about. He says 288 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.400 something similar to what you're saying, that they feel that now it's time to 289 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.880 share and that you know, it's been a very difficult time of course, 290 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:08.519 since the you know, the Western world has come to this land and change 291 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:14.920 things. But now it's time for the natives to be able to infuse themselves 292 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.079 in to create this space that we can all share it to go into the 293 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.359 future. And you know what, one of the things along with what he 294 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.920 was speaking through is the fact that it's one of one of our challenges, 295 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:33.079 one of our many challenges as researchers, contemporary researchers in the UFO field, 296 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.559 is to convince people that this is a serious phenomenon. And one of the 297 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.319 reasons why I like to refer back to some of the native prophets is that 298 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:48.160 they're coming true and you can track those those prophecies and see that and and 299 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:53.920 once you do that, it all leads up to the revealing of the Star 300 00:22:55.079 --> 00:23:00.880 Nation culture's visiting here. And and that to me is the quote to as 301 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.319 much proof is as I need, because I trust my ancestors, and I 302 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.160 trust the eldest because they don't have an agenda to try and nephulate me. 303 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.960 And one of the great and certainly one of the most active propheties is from 304 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.359 the Hoping Nation. And as you trust the prophecy well, let me put 305 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.759 you on hold there for a second on that. Sure, let's talk about 306 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.920 that prophecy because I know it's very in depth and it's great. Step. 307 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.279 When we get back from this break, we're talking to a follow about Native 308 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:48.559 Americans and our star brothers. Come on back. This is Open Minds Radio 309 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:55.079 here again, your host, UFO paranormal researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. All 310 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.599 right, we're back, and I'm excited that we are because I love talking 311 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:04.119 about this subject. We are talking to Apollo about Native American legends of UFOs 312 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.119 and ets and our space brothers, and he was getting into one of the 313 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.039 best ones, some of the Hopey prophecies. So if you could continue, 314 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:17.640 sir, you bet. I think that as we as we explore the prophecies 315 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.640 and begin to see that they're coming true, the elders are seeing the signs 316 00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:27.599 of the fulfill of the prophecies and which is leading to contact with the star 317 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:32.799 nations, and they kind of follow along that track. I wanted to kind 318 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:37.480 of review a little bit about the hope prophecies and to indeed see that they 319 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.160 that they are valid. One of the things they predicted was the coming of 320 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:48.759 the Spanish conquistadors with their armor as humans coming to them as turtles across the 321 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:55.160 land. Uh they would there would be top web built around the earth, 322 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:59.480 and people would talk across this top web. And when this would happen, 323 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.240 the earth a shape that was the advent of the telephone and the start of 324 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.759 World War two. Gords of ashes will fall from the air. It will 325 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.680 make people like blades of grass and the prairie fire, and things will not 326 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.559 grow from any seasons, which of course was the atomic bomb. Human beings 327 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.200 are going to find the blueprint that makes us. They're going to cut this 328 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:23.440 blueprint. This, of course is the discovery in splicing of DNA. Now, 329 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:30.119 these prophecies date about fifty thousand years wow and exactly, and there are 330 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:36.240 many more prophecies Holandro, but the most important being that there will be a 331 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:41.160 third grade shaking, world War one world War II being the first two of 332 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:47.119 the great shaking, and that the third shaking will be worse than the first 333 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.279 two. And the prophecy states that humans living in these times will experience things 334 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:59.480 no humans has ever experienced before. And it is in these times that the 335 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.119 return of the star nations is predicted. Because the hope. These do speak 336 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:10.079 of a cushioning process, whereby if we can get our act together as a 337 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:18.319 planet, these changes can be softer and more gradual rather than cataclysmic in nature. 338 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:23.519 And their feeling is is that the star nations are returning to assist us 339 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:30.319 in this very endeavor. And one of the things that really exciting things that 340 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:38.160 are happening in this Indian nation these days has been the birth of a female 341 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:45.519 white buffalo cast which to many tribes is like the return of Jesus okay In 342 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:52.240 in their beliefs. And this indeed that when this would happen, major events 343 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:57.160 would begin to happen on the planet, and indeed it was born in nineteen 344 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:03.799 ninety six and with them the first to be born for generations. This event 345 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:10.599 subsequently led elders of some tribes to come out and speak openly about the et 346 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:15.359 situation from a tribal standpoint. And until then, the older councils of the 347 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:22.559 various tribes from North America were always forbidding their members and any Letican people to 348 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:30.960 share their knowledge of sacred spiritual matters and records of centuries of contact with outer 349 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:37.480 space civilizations like Chad just asked, why are they why were they so secretive? 350 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:44.240 Well, uh, this assistant part of the traditions of you know, 351 00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.680 when when the when the white men came over from Europe, they weren't very 352 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:51.079 nice. I mean, you know, that is just how it was. 353 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.119 And you know a lot of the teachings were held back because they knew they 354 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.880 would be probably killed for them. Okay. Just the culture even more destroyed 355 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.000 because of them. So you know, but even today, if you talk 356 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:12.079 about UFO, okay, you could be considered crazy. So these were these 357 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:17.079 were one of the many reasons. And because it's just their their traditional ways, 358 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.519 they don't speak about those things. Yeah, there were fact go ahead, 359 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.720 just in fact, many traditionalists are all are all from are against these 360 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.079 comings. Elvis coming out even now it's talking about it, so it's still 361 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.079 controversial among the thought. Interesting. Yeah, one way I had heard it 362 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:37.680 explained was, you know, when the white men came over, they said, 363 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.680 well, so we were talking to the starpeople, and and the white 364 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:41.759 man was like, the star people, who are you talking about? And 365 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.240 they thought, oh, you don't talk to them. I better hush up 366 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.079 about that, because they must not be talking to you for some reason. 367 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.960 Yeah, you know very good example, well, you know until we're of 368 00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:00.160 nineteen ninety five when standing Elk who was that the CODA who is at the 369 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:06.359 Code of Spiritual Advisor and Sun Dance chiefs were instructed in a vision to organize 370 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.039 the first Star Knowledge Conference. I know you're familiar with those others. And 371 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:17.079 then first wasn't on. The suit was in South Dakota in nineteen ninety six, 372 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:22.240 and the vision showed that Native American His vision showed that Native American spiritual 373 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.400 knowledge about the Star nation of course, which are the extraterrestrials, were to 374 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:32.240 be shared with the world. And the first conference was the firstallment of ancient 375 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.759 Hopey and the Code of Prophecies that this would indeed happen. Now some of 376 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:45.519 the information that is being released to the conferences and through meetings and if my 377 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.640 own interaction with from the Native people, one of the things that fascinating things 378 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.319 we're finding out how to mission a few of these things, and about me 379 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.519 anytime, it is little known, but all tribes from Turtle Island, which 380 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:02.759 is what they call North America, the North American consonants that's kept secret records 381 00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:07.119 up the visit and get this build it during the first century of a white 382 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:12.599 man they call a Kia, who they said came from the planet Venus, 383 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:18.480 who taught them how to pray and how they conduct them. This is something 384 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.640 that's been with help and all had recently been exposed, all the tracks that 385 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.160 had been aligned with these star nations, some of them visited by the same 386 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:33.839 star people. A lot of them have origination stories that go back to isn't 387 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:40.039 the Navajo they believe they're from uh Pladians Plats. Yeah, yes, yes. 388 00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:45.160 It's also Leandro little known that when the white man tried to stop Native 389 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.119 people from practicing the rituals, you know, their ceremonies, it was not 390 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.799 just to systematically destroy their cultures, which of course they did, but to 391 00:30:52.960 --> 00:31:00.400 ensure that the practice of contacting ets by grassroots population would sea and shift. 392 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.960 And yeah, I'll tell them it was all these Native Americans that were doing 393 00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.319 it ocause now more of your teams are getting involved in it. But back 394 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.160 in those days, it was just a Native Americans. So even back in 395 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:18.079 that and like those times in like the eighteen hundreds and stuff, Yeah, 396 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.400 they were suppressing that particular Oh yes, aspect. I mean, there's an 397 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:30.160 agenda agendas behind agenda you see, that's he's a shallow government. You know 398 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.720 what you talked about with the hope third World war and stuff, which is 399 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.000 kind of scary. And I hope, you know, I get to catch 400 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.880 a right on one of these things to zip on out of here of person 401 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.759 ysha. I'm hoping, and you know you may have some actually some insight 402 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.200 into this is uh Now, I live over by the Australa Mountains, and 403 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.839 I hear that that's kind of an important place, yes, in fact, 404 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.440 that they will of course Australia. Me start, Yeah, that's so, 405 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.599 I'm hoping that's where I'll be able to catch my rag. Yeah, you're 406 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.640 well, I'm up here in the small peak area. There's folks be a 407 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.640 base on any here too, so but then I hope we can get to 408 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.880 rise ourselves. But you know, I don't want to instill a lot of 409 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:12.759 fear in people about about these Earth changes. I think that as a planet 410 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.279 we are we are improving another different seeing that way too many, but I 411 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:19.440 believe that we are. And as I mentioned before, the Hobies do speak 412 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:24.599 of a of a chrishioning process where we can slow the the the the Earth 413 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:30.079 changes to be more gradual rather than a cateclysmic and I believe that we're doing 414 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:36.160 that and we're seeing it earth releasing pressure now with the earthquakes. It's not 415 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.599 cataclysmic yet, it's just sort of just letting off steam, and we're hoping 416 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.039 that we can make this transition smoother. Mm. Well, there's a little 417 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:49.480 great stories coming out of some of the conferences, of some of the great 418 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:54.920 quotes that that your audience might might be interested in. Yeah. For instance, 419 00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:00.720 that looks for buffalo from the oc nation. These are all elders that 420 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.680 are coming out and speaking about their tribal secrets. This over law medicine person 421 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:10.920 looks for buffalo, says this the avatar Jesus Buddha, the white buffalo calf 422 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:17.200 woman, which is their equivalent our star being in that each Native American tribe 423 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:24.559 has its et race of origination counterpart the star beings will return at the time 424 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.680 of earth changes, at the first sign that floods, fires at airquit And 425 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.440 what do we have in Alejandro, this huge fire in Russia, I mean 426 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:42.440 Moscow is completely covered in smoke. Wow. Paula Underwood of the Iroquois Nation, 427 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.960 an Iroquois or all tradition told of an et telepathic message that she revealed 428 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.119 which said like this, we are coming. Wow, the telepathic message. 429 00:33:53.319 --> 00:34:00.480 There's a music al so we'll continue this when we get back. You're listening 430 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:09.719 to Open Minds Radio. We'll be back in a minute. Welcome back to 431 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:15.159 open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, 432 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:21.800 your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All right, we are 433 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.719 back. Thank you so much, Paulo for coming on the show. You 434 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:30.079 definitely got a lot of information. So you when I had to cut you 435 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.760 off. You're talking about an Iroquois prophecy, yeah, and it's an oil 436 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.639 tradition and it speaks of a et telepraphic message that was received by one of 437 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:44.320 the medicine people in the tribe and it goes like this, we are coming. 438 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:52.159 The Iroquois elders responded, Dolf, come, we are not prepared to 439 00:34:52.239 --> 00:35:00.599 start being replied. Prepare yourselves. So they're basically saying, is get ready 440 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.760 because this rocket is launching and you can see that now. Uh In In 441 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:10.679 contemporary times, one of the in the Blackfoot traditions of the nation, wids 442 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:16.159 and and Goup says this, and elder Indians consider themselves privileged to have a 443 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:22.480 regular business from start being during ceremonies, and the considered these events as faked 444 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.840 it. And there was a story that came out of one of the Star 445 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:31.320 Knowledge conferences of healing healing, of healing taking place in a TP on the 446 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:37.719 reds and the medicine person was working with with the with the patients when blue 447 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:45.840 lights were shining outside the TP and then floated a gray on the gray looking 448 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.119 state of ridiculous, who then took an instrument and pointed it and waved it 449 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:58.199 over the patients and then floated out and back in the ship and left. 450 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.880 So these are the type of stories now that are coming out. And and 451 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:08.400 just like we were asking earlier why they held back the secrets, because they 452 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:15.400 knew very well and their et contacts told them that there are rogue ets that 453 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:22.239 are backing shadow government that do not want the common people to be in touch 454 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.800 with extraterrestrial and develop their own relationships with them, because then they would lose 455 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:32.800 power and control. Right, And it's it's been the privilege of the native 456 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:39.719 cultures throughout the world to hold this information until the common man human uh, 457 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.519 Earth human beings were ready and we're ready to act on it. And I 458 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.880 really believe, as the elders do, that we are, in fact we 459 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.400 must. Uh. There's another elder by the name of actually a former NASA 460 00:36:53.719 --> 00:37:01.159 engineer contact engineer Blacks and a Blackfoot nation right skin door. He said, 461 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:08.079 we are getting word of the ETS coming now. He emphasizes, and he 462 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.840 has been said he's been taking aboard UF both several times. But this is 463 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:19.639 an engineer, okay, including one during a vision quest. So a lot 464 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:25.199 of ET contacts. This is, this is everyday kind of experienced this for 465 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.800 any of these tribes on the rest. Well, we know, you know, 466 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.719 I'm looking at you know, it's just looking at the move On report 467 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:37.599 six hundred and sixty three sightings in just the last month. I mean, 468 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.880 there's a lot of activity going on. And it's kind of funny that you 469 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.960 talked about how they said, no, don't come, we're not ready. 470 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.199 I have a buddy who's real into this stuff, and we were talking about 471 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.599 it, and he said, well, what if I'm not ready for what 472 00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.599 if I'm happy the way it is. You know, I got a good 473 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.920 job, I got my kids. That he loves and his wife and his 474 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.519 little house, and he's cool with the way things are. And it's just 475 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.840 kind of like, well, you know, changes, changes, the only 476 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.639 thing that you can count on, that's it. And I think our hand 477 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.400 is being forced here. I think the elders recognize that that it's time for 478 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.880 humanity to grow up. The Hopies have said, we're we're exiting the cycle 479 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:21.320 of the animal and now we're moving to the cycle of the human. And 480 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.719 what they mean by that is that the human being is now discovering itself to 481 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.960 be more than terrestrial being, that it has connection to the stars, and 482 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.800 that it's much much more. And because of the environment and the shape of 483 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:43.400 our planet. This is these are issues that are forcing us to evolve, 484 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.760 right or are or not exists at all. I mean, it's it's come 485 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.119 down to that. Don't you think that's why Jason and I are vegetarians. 486 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:59.480 We've begun in our evolution, right, No, we're eating animals. Well, 487 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.719 here, the big question I'm sure a lot of people are thinking of 488 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.920 is, of course, the correlation with the twenty twelve Mayan prophecies. Yeah, 489 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:15.119 yes, well the Mayans are all right in line with the Hope right 490 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:23.239 in line with the Lakotas, right in line with the Australians, right in 491 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:30.840 line with the Scandinavians, The European cultures, the tribal cultures, all of 492 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:37.519 them are are are looking towards this, this kipping point. And many people 493 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.599 have different viewpoints of what twenty twelve is. I personally think that if the 494 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:50.960 transition of consciousness where we put our attention to focus on more harmonious type relationships 495 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.599 rather than competitive ones, but more importantly in terms of dealing with the real, 496 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:02.719 everyday world. Many believe that twenty twelve is the point of extreme darkness, 497 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.719 where you know, the powers that be are clamping down with more control. 498 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.840 We can we we we certainly can see that, uh in in in 499 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.840 our society with cameras being everywhere and and and you know, and and and 500 00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.960 the light and that it's it's gonna tip from this point of of of dicity 501 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:28.760 and and then and then and then have a breakthrough where we must change and 502 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.360 two thousands it's got it's kind of a wake up call, you know. 503 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:36.000 I don't think that the polls are gonna shift on the day of twenty twelve. 504 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.079 I really believe that those of us who want to live in the world 505 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:45.400 of peace and Harry among all races, this really is our day. That 506 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.559 the shadow government and the Et force, this is native beliefs that there the 507 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.679 ets behind the shadow government. They're making their their their final moves, their 508 00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.360 final act that get control, and they're there. They're forces that drink, 509 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.039 urging and actually corrpting on themselves. See, I have a more positive perspective 510 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.760 like you. In fact, someone in the chat put it really well, 511 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.840 the powers that think they be, because I think all of that is kind 512 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.320 of a yeah, that's really cool. It's really kind of an illusion in 513 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:20.079 that, you know, I am of the belief that we we liberate ourselves 514 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.079 and I always kind of think and it helps me as a personal kind of 515 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.000 practice to align myself. What if twenty twelve comes and all of a sudden 516 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.960 we can all read each other's mindset, there's no more lying. I mean, 517 00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.599 that would be a very difficult thing, of course, for everyone, 518 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.199 even me, because I'm sure some of the pretty girls I see won't appreciate, 519 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:47.760 you know, the dots that I have. But fib So I'm gonna 520 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.079 have to control myself well that way think you brought that up. You know. 521 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.119 It's it's said that one of the reasons why the mind Calendar is ending 522 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.159 at twenty twelve because they don't really know what the human being is going to 523 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.880 turn into. Understand that the mind calendar is not just about a bunch of 524 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.400 days. And I'm sure you understand this. It's what it is. It 525 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:19.039 trusts evolution, use evolutionary trendsit cycles, okay, and so it's been tracking 526 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.039 our evolution. But at twenty twelve, it's like, we don't know where 527 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:27.639 it's going to go next. Because the only to describe it, I know, 528 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.079 this is kind of like a spiritual cliches, you know, but it's 529 00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:37.079 like we didn't A caterpillar could never dream that it's going to turn into a 530 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.719 butterfly. I mean, it's it really comes down to that we are mutating. 531 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.079 Our DNA is mutinating, and plenty of evidence of that as well. 532 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:52.800 So we're changing into something that that it's new territory, and the Mayans knew 533 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.360 that, and so did the elders. I love that that analogy. I 534 00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.599 haven't heard that because I can just think of, you know, some caterpillar 535 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:02.679 not feeling good and I'm you know, trying to tell it. Hey, 536 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.960 there's going to be better days. You may feel frumpy and big, and 537 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.320 you're going to turn into this beautiful butterfly and it's taking you. Luke. 538 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:17.239 Some so oberweight they can barely move exactly. And most humans have best perspective 539 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.400 or perception of the cells in our planet. We just think we're a bunch 540 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.400 of losers. If we can't get along with each other, we can't accept 541 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.559 person of a different color, how are we going to accept star cultures? 542 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:30.480 But we're gonna have to, I mean, and in fact, it is 543 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.920 changing. You know. The news just doesn't report it. You know, 544 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.960 things are not as bad as they used to be. And you can look 545 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:40.840 back in history and it's like it's getting better. You know. It's just 546 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.280 that it's slow and and and and the violence and they hate it still gets 547 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:51.880 a lot of press. But things are changing and I feel very very positive 548 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.840 about it. And I wanted to make sure Olie Handros, you know, 549 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.239 I have a local community UFO groups. O. Yes, talk about that 550 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.519 because we're out of time. Yeah, yeah, I want. I want 551 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.800 to make sure people are aware of that who are interested in running more about 552 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:13.519 UFOs. 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A lot of people have 562 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.360 been asking me to have this guy on. He talks about Nazi UFOs and 563 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:59.000 the Nazi secret weapons and possibly he even has a theory that Roswell was possibly 564 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:05.239 some sort of Nazi secret something or rather. So we're gonna talk to him 565 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.000 about that. We'll talk to him about the Bell and they sat to be 566 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:13.360 really interesting. And then our first show in a few weeks, that is 567 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.159 the longer version. We're gonna have major Filer. A lot of you get 568 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:21.440 filer files. We're gonna have him on to talk about his experiences, which 569 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:29.599 are pretty dang incredible at McGuire air Force Base and other places, so check 570 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:34.159 it out. We've got some good shows coming up. 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