1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:12,919 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's your source of 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,079 information and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Block off hot 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:23,039 a step hit on, Stay locked block Here's your host, Jesse Souvier and 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,399 Victor Noon youo the Hockey Live back on again a beer up the tracks Victor 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,520 Nuno of if you ring side? Victor. How you doing, I'm doing 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,640 awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's been it's been a little weird not setting 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,520 some lineups that you know, you used to going through a dozen or so 8 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:44,960 teams setting all the lineups or more, and it hasn't been the case. 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,320 But there's still a couple that are kicking around, so that's nice to be 10 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:49,920 able to do that. How are you doing, I'm doing good. Yeah, 11 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:55,960 hockey lineups. I'm able to move to a different tab on my Chrome 12 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:59,399 so that I don't have to open them. I have a Chrome tab that 13 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,840 I open every morning with every league and every sport that I have to set 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,640 a lineup in so that I don't forget, and sometimes it feels good to 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,599 move things out of that tab and into other tabs just to make life easier 16 00:01:10,599 --> 00:01:12,879 in the morning. But this is why we have baseball Victor to get over. 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,480 It's the methodone of I shouldn't use that reference, but it nonetheless, 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,959 it's a way to recover from your issues with not having lineups to set. 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Victor. People have to deal with not having to lineups to set. People 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,879 have to deal with the transition. Maybe your favorite NHL team is done for 21 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,760 the year. Maybe you were going to go through the absolute torture that is 22 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:41,560 the Stanley Cup playoffs for your team, where for a period of one to 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:47,640 two weeks you are absolutely miserable if you're like me watching your team compete on 24 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,359 a nightly basis, or more likely in my case this year, not watching 25 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:55,799 your team compete on a nightly basis. But nonetheless, you can come into 26 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,879 our discord and find other like minded individuals in a calm and positive environment. 27 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:05,079 To do that, all you have to do to get in there is email 28 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,479 us at Fantasy or Fantasy HOCKEYLFE at gmail dot com. We get those requests 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,439 constantly. We keep putting people in and you can also hit us up on 30 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:17,199 x at Fan Hockey Life at Victor. Nunio twelve will get you the link, 31 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:22,960 and that's what gets you in Victor. There is also more and more 32 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,840 goodies in our patreon. My goodness, we're gonna even talk about some of 33 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:31,439 that, I think coming up. Tell people what's in our patreon. Yeah, 34 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:35,439 so many great things in the patreon, a lot of them that we're 35 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:38,719 going to talk about in this episode with Brandon. He's been the mastermind behind 36 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:43,360 a lot of these things, from the player cards to some of the lists 37 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,759 that we're putting up there and the ranks, and helping out with the website. 38 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,080 So this is a great kudos to Brandon for all his help and lots 39 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,639 of great stuff that is a little bit more easily accessible now and you can 40 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:59,280 check all that out. You also can play in the tidy so you can. 41 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:00,680 If you sign up, you can get on the early wait list for 42 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:06,599 that Patron Priority channel. We got some roster doctors. You got extra bonus 43 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,199 things that are going to be coming over the summer when we do the team 44 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,840 previews, the extra Life player ranks and lists, things like that. So 45 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,680 check that out at patreon dot com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. Yeah, it's 46 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:22,680 twenty twenty four. You got that person at work, or maybe the person 47 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:27,439 who's a friend of yours who's just able to do crazy cool things with things 48 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:30,599 that you show up on the computer like visualizations. That's Brandon, That's what 49 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,319 Brandon is branded is a very cool guy and he's doing cool things. And 50 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:44,879 right after this you can hear all about it Welcome in to the show and 51 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,400 is branded the RHL Commission, the Man, the myth, the legend behind 52 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,560 the Fantasy Hockey Life Cards. Brandon, how you doing I'm doing well. 53 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Thanks for having me on and they glad to be here, Jens Man, 54 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,240 you get it done. We have some cool things to talk about today in 55 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,560 terms of the things that you have produced and the things that our patrons have 56 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:10,159 started to enjoy. We're going to get into some of the details of it 57 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:13,639 today, and it's always one of those fun things where we're trying to explain 58 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,199 a visual thing on an audio podcast in an audio format. Yeah, and 59 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,279 Victor hasn't talked me into YouTube yet that we don't have any visuals to throw 60 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:24,759 up here. But yeah, we're going to get into some of that stuff, 61 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:27,879 man. But first of all, how you do it today? Doing 62 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,360 well? We're actually getting little wisps of spring out here, loving the sunshine 63 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,040 coming through the windows, and we'll be out on the deck after this recording. 64 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:40,720 Otherwise, just enjoying a wonderful Sunday. Yeah, Brandon, we're really 65 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,360 excited to have you on and we're going to talk about some of the great 66 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,920 things that you've been doing. This episode, in particular, we're going to 67 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,920 focus on the player cards, which has been a dream of mine for the 68 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,199 last year or so. It's been a while. I think many of us 69 00:04:55,240 --> 00:05:00,680 have seen lots of different varieties of these player cards from Jay Fresh, who 70 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,040 does different player cards for the NHL players, and we've seen Mitch Brown has 71 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:11,000 some and even Jacob Stoller does some really cool ones for the AHL. And 72 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,040 one of the things that often I find is missing in a lot of these 73 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,399 is some of the things that we care about a lot in Fantasy, and 74 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:20,560 that is the perferal coverage. And so that's something that we really wanted to 75 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,439 have as part of it. And it's been a long process. And Jason 76 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,000 is someone who wasn't able to join us today, but he did a lot 77 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 of the background data culling and organizing for this project, and so I want 78 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,480 to give a shout out to him and thanks for all the work you did. 79 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:41,040 And then Brandon, you came in a little bit later. And one 80 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,360 of the things that I think that you're really good at is these visualizations and 81 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:46,839 making it look good. So translating that data to something that's a little bit 82 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:51,319 more easily understandable. So that's where you came in with the player cards, 83 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,879 and I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about kind of 84 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:59,480 your process of how you helped work with the data towards the end and turn 85 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:02,560 into what it is now. Yeah, the big challenge was we're dealing with 86 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:09,160 a lot of data. It's I think that the original data set I can't 87 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,800 remember the total number of players it pulls from. It's there's thirteen thousand players. 88 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:16,959 We're only interested in about five thousand of those, like those names are 89 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:23,040 associated with fantracks and NHL rights, and then on the cards it gets called 90 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,240 down to I think it's about the five hundred or seven hundred or something like 91 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:32,879 that. So that was a big challenge, is streamlining and making sense of 92 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:41,879 the massive data coming in and then trying to play into people's innate's ability to 93 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:46,319 read things. Some people are fine with just a black and white spreadsheet, 94 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:50,199 just numbers, cans and rows, and it's like reading the matrix code for 95 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,480 them. They don't need anything else. It can I'll just be times new 96 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:00,720 Roman and where you go the cards. We wanted to make sure that how 97 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,560 do I put it, We're taking the RASS stats right, so the game's 98 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:09,800 played and the goals, assists and penalties and YadA yadiyada, and just based 99 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:14,079 on that, how can we express those rass stats so that you can have 100 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:19,399 context when you see the numbers. So is Victor's idea to standardize things to 101 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:27,000 a per sixty rates and then from there we have a percentile of those numbers. 102 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,879 We have effectively their standard deviation are above and below the mean, and 103 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:39,160 then a rough tiering of each stat And so that just depends again the language 104 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,240 you speak when you look at the numbers. Some guys are just inherently they 105 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:45,800 just want to know are they a Tier nine guy? Do I group them 106 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:47,759 in with a bunch of these guys? Some guys want to know to the 107 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:53,439 decimal point percentile and that sort of thing. We're looking to cover a bunch 108 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,759 of bases and play the strengths of folks and maybe don't get representation when it 109 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,439 comes to some of the cards. Other than that's then you're getting into it. 110 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Like color theory, there's innate associations we have with the colors. So 111 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:13,560 on the percentile, it goes red to yellow to green being one hundred percent, 112 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:20,279 red being zero, and then for the tears and the standard deviation ratings, 113 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,240 I play with a metallic color code, so gold's being your ten, 114 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,279 nine is silver, eights is bronze, and then you get varying degrees of 115 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,039 oxidizing copper all the way down to a green and a dark black. So 116 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,840 some people are just going to pick up on that naturally. Do you speak 117 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:43,960 that color code that's or the number code you pick up on it. So 118 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:48,120 that kind of led to the massaging of what we see today. And that's 119 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,360 a pretty big nutshell to start up with. Yeah, so that's some of 120 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,399 the how and some of how it's going to look. And of course anybody 121 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:58,519 who does stats, they'll tell you the first thing you gotta do is you 122 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,159 got to make your choices. What are you going to rep So what do 123 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,879 the cards tell people and what do they not brand in? Yeah, they 124 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:13,399 are a display like a report of that player's snapshots for their team in that 125 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,440 league. It's not a projection model or anything like that. The only thing 126 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:24,879 that isn't based on raw data is the final puckstud rating, which Victor goes 127 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:31,320 in and curates up or down based on maybe his projection and overall like fantasy 128 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,240 value. Yeah, the term there is discernments. You got all this data, 129 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,840 we got all these colors and shapes, but now you have that in 130 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,799 context, and then you use your sort of discernment to go, all right, 131 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,279 I'm interested in this guy, or oh not so much that guy. 132 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:52,080 Yeah, definitely, I want a little ability to wiggle the ranks because one 133 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,120 of the things that can happen for sure is that when you're just looking at 134 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,759 performance in each league, there are definitely guys who are are much older who 135 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,799 are looking amazing. It's funny when we first rolled these out, I got 136 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,799 a lot of questions of is this no name guy really gonna be amazing because 137 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,320 he's looking great as a twenty two year old in the WHL or something like 138 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,639 that, right, and so no, we need so we needed a way 139 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,360 to down grade some of those players, and a lot of the rest of 140 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:24,080 it may be splitting hairs a little bit, but I wanted to be able 141 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,720 to rank them, and initially we just had one through ten, but we're 142 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,240 going to like half numbers too, and maybe we'll even get more decimals in 143 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,879 there. Because we can do that. That's not an issue. It's just 144 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,919 do we really want to get his granule as like a seven point two versus 145 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,399 a seven point three or something like that. I don't know, but like 146 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,840 a seven to seven point five if you're in that same range. It's nice 147 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,879 to be able to move guys up and down and to show that because sometimes 148 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,080 you look at it and it's okay, he may be killing it in this 149 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,360 league, but then where does his overall rank still stand? And so wanted 150 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,200 to be able to do that, and just so people know, I take 151 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,279 a lot of things into account there. It's not just like my feelings. 152 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,519 So I'll look at hockey prospecting, I'll look at PNHL, I'll look at 153 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,480 a lot of different models, I'll look at a lot of different guides and 154 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,960 based on what I've seen and think about them too, of course, So 155 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,919 it's a it's kind of cool ate everything together, but yeah, it's really 156 00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,600 important to know what they do and don't tell you. They definitely just tell 157 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,320 you about how they're doing in that league, right, now, and as 158 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,480 you mentioned at the top, one of the decisions we made was to base 159 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:28,360 it on per sixty because one thing that you can see, and this translates 160 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,720 into NHL and PNHL to some extent, because players who play more minutes tend 161 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:35,639 to score more just in general. Right, the more time on ice you 162 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,080 have, in general, you're going to score more. But it's certainly it's 163 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:45,639 more prevalent for some players than others. If you're playing twenty five minutes as 164 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:50,120 a defenseman versus sixteen to seventeen, that's going to be a big difference. 165 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,399 So we wanted to make that. I wanted to make that decision, which 166 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,080 is definitely a choice because a lot of them don't do that and they just 167 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,840 look at ron and that's a choice. It can tell you something, it 168 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,399 tells you something different that's not necessarily wrong, but it's just important to have 169 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,320 that content. So what do you think the per sixty means to you? 170 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,200 And how do you work with that? Brandon? Yeah, it's just greater 171 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,960 context, especially if you've got small sample size or there's two tournaments in the 172 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:24,519 data set right now, so the Champions Hockey League and the World Juniors, 173 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,519 So some of those guys only played a handful of games that league and look 174 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,840 really good, especially based on per sixty, And then you got to compare 175 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,759 to the regular league rates. But yeah, the per sixty is, like 176 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,559 I said, it's just greater contexts and evens the playing fields, and it 177 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,440 elucidates maybe some of the guys that are effective at lower minutes. I should 178 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,960 mention too that when we the comparative numbers, so the standard deviation, the 179 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,200 percentile are based on positions, so it's split between fowards and defenders. So 180 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,960 if a defender scores five goals, they're not getting tanked in the rankings by 181 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,399 Austin Matthews, who's who scored sixty. It's compared to all other defenders across 182 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:11,440 other leagues. So yeah, it gives you a chance to hunt for some 183 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:13,919 gems a little bit more effectively if you've got a guy shining above where their 184 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,039 timeline ICE is sitting. So talk a little bit more about how these ranks 185 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,840 are computed, because everybody's got their specific context in their league. Is that 186 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,559 rank just always related to the specific league they're in, or how does that 187 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:35,320 translate into the bigger picture. Yeah, so the league, how to put 188 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,480 the league doesn't really affect anything at this point. It has a small effect 189 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:45,559 on the final raw Pukstad rating. So there's numerous things that go into the 190 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,399 raw number that victor then tweaks up and down. So there's a little bit 191 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,799 of that goes into it. So when we're taking into account a player's league, 192 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:01,679 it's more of a context base for our filter. The numbers aren't really 193 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,039 skewed by the league, right, it's more so skewed by their position and 194 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,440 just what they've done on a per game and per sixty basis. The league 195 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:15,919 break when you suck the player, like on the cards, you can select 196 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,120 the league they played and if they played for numerous leagues and give you a 197 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,159 better grasp of, yeah, how they're compared, how they're playing compared to 198 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:28,399 the different heights of the the older leagues. If that makes sense. Yeah, 199 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,240 that totally makes sense. And another thing that we wanted to say that 200 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,720 a lot of these different cards, they have their own way of describing the 201 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:43,240 top end players. I know, star potential or star is something that hockey 202 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:50,080 prospecting uses. Also, the Patrick Bacon model with Jay Fresh use a similar 203 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,320 thing, but they mean something different and so they usually call them a star, 204 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,919 but it means something different like two hundred games positive war versus plenty four 205 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 or five points for a defenseman I believe in it's zero point seven points for 206 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,840 forward in hockey prospecting. So we were thinking we should come up with a 207 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,440 different name, right, a different term, because I don't want to use 208 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,320 the same thing. And we'd spit both some different ideas, and in the 209 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,600 patron chat, I think I forget who came up with it. It might 210 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,840 have been me. I can don't remember, actually, but a lot of 211 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,919 people like this one. So we decided who's who's like a good player on 212 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,960 your roster, Like we think of them as like the guys that never get 213 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,159 put on the bench. They're just your studs. They are the guys who 214 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,159 you rely on weekend and week out. So we decided on this puck stud 215 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,360 as the number that I can tweak and that we can use as a ranking. 216 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,759 And then you came up with a sort of acronym for it. So 217 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,440 tell us what the puck stud means and what you came up with. Yeah, 218 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,360 the acronym was like on the fly. I saw it in the chat, 219 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,559 and for some reason, we were capitalizing the whole word stud, and 220 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,879 so my mind is, okay, there's something there, like we can probably 221 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,279 what's it's deeper. It's for those of you have a certain vintage remember mash 222 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,240 and there's like periods separating the letters and mash. It means I can't know 223 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:11,000 what it means off the top of my head. The where the stud translation 224 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,080 to a deeper sort of meaning of stud. The thing that I came up 225 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:21,120 with was superstar in training and undertaking or undergoing development, And yeah, I 226 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,639 put it out there. I'm like, it's a cool and let it roll. 227 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:27,320 I seem to hook in the idea of the stud a little bit deeper, 228 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:33,759 tremendous. We love talking about our puck studs, so that's really cool. 229 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:38,559 Is there interleague reference going on in this whole thing? Brandon? Yeah, 230 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:42,039 so this is where the league could or what does, play a bigger 231 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,960 role. There is another viz that I have. I can't remember if it's 232 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,679 already live. I know I posted it so that I can toilet it on 233 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,759 the website, but I'm not sure if our members have access to it yet. 234 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:59,279 I call it the League Matrix. The styling is straight up just like 235 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:03,919 black and a little bit of white, and what that does is it takes 236 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,319 to per sixty and then the NHL E is applied to it. So anybody 237 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,640 in the ship, anybody in the NHL is going to rank higher than somebody 238 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,799 in the KHL or the AHL, unless you got a guy like Nikishkin. 239 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:21,480 That are right, yeah, Nicks, that is dominating the KHL, and 240 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:26,519 his number is going to shine at pretty high at an NHL level. That's 241 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,680 one that Z has I think close to fifteen hundred names in it, if 242 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:36,160 I'm not mistaken. There'll be more information on that later, but that's the 243 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,720 one where you plug it in and you got a guy in the DUB, 244 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,480 He's not going to shine as high because the NHL E co efficient on that 245 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,680 is far less than the NHL. Cool. Cool, all right, this 246 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:51,319 has been a good introduction to the cards. Let's take a break. We're 247 00:17:51,319 --> 00:18:08,799 going to come back with some patron questions back in our picture tech quest because 248 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:14,400 they've already seen some of these cards and they are enthralled and intrigued by them. 249 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:18,680 So I am going to ask some questions. Brandon and Victor have some 250 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,119 thoughts on this, but a question number one came in from the patrons. 251 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:27,319 Will the cards display with a ranking that matches the new list as well. 252 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:33,039 So this is a good question. The ranks are basically going to be synonymous 253 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,039 with what the it's sharing the same list and the STUD rating is basically that's 254 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,200 pulled out from the list and locked onto the card, so they should be 255 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:47,759 synonymous. They should go together. Sometimes it's nice having it on the card 256 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,599 because you can see like all the other things going on with the player and 257 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,960 then like where they rank. But it is nice to see the list because 258 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,640 you don't know necessarily where that person ranks compared to everyone else if you're just 259 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,279 looking at their cards. So it's it's nice to have both. But yeah, 260 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:04,759 they should work together. Brandon, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. The 261 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:11,079 list is sorted by two variables. One the main one is the final Puckstud 262 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:18,319 ranking and then you'll see the bar underneath it is their raw Puckstud percentile. 263 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,240 So when we average up all of the things that go into the PUCKSCUD rating, 264 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,839 you get a general idea of natural how they're doing. And maybe the 265 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:32,160 gap between is an indicator of non number value, right, so a perceived 266 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:38,599 fantasy league or hockey value that isn't represented by the box scores tremendous. Next 267 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:41,359 one, Oh, here's a good one. If there are multiple cards for 268 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,799 individual players. I don't know if you fellows have heard this, but sometimes 269 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,440 players play in different leagues in the same year. You got like a WHL, 270 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:55,039 AHL, NHL. Sometimes a guy plays in multiple leagues in one year. 271 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,599 How do you use the cards together? How do they integrate so you 272 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:04,519 understand where that player fits overall? Sure, Yeah, I hedge on timeline 273 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:10,640 ice or greater sample size. The Russian leagues are very notorious for this, 274 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,559 where you've got three leagues that players kind of skim around depending on their skill 275 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:21,279 or politic or age. So sometimes you'll get one player in all three Russian 276 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,359 leagues, but usually one player will spend the majority of our time in one 277 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,400 of those leagues. And so that's the one I'll look at and way heavier. 278 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:34,440 As I'm analyzing it, I have considered combining everything into one card, 279 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:41,640 right, so you get all of one player's results in there. I haven't 280 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,359 yet sorted out how to wait. It's on the back end, so it 281 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,559 shows up and makes sense on the card, but it would be probably weighted 282 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,599 along the lines of timeline ice or games played. Yeah, and I think 283 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,240 that's a really good question. One thing I will say about the multiple cars, 284 00:20:57,319 --> 00:21:03,279 and sometimes it is confusing, especially they've played in multiple leagues. The 285 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:07,279 puck Stud rating is not based on in an individual league. That is their 286 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,599 overall rating based on the rank list. So if you're looking at someone's card 287 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:18,759 and they've played in WHL AHL or there's also you made some really great cards 288 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,839 for the World Junior Championship, which is awesome to see, like how they 289 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:25,759 perform there. So some players have as many as three different cards, and 290 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:27,599 it might be a little confusing kind of looking at them. I think the 291 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:33,119 context is really helpful because you can see how they do in different different leagues 292 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,759 and different performances. But the puck Stud rating is based on their overall and 293 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,519 so that is not going to be dependent on just one league. I do 294 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,799 as usual, though, people come up with great ideas, and I like 295 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:48,680 the idea of trying to have some sort of combo card. We'll have to 296 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,759 think about that. Yeah, yeah, we'll tinker on it through the next 297 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,640 little while. Here. It's like I said, it's probably quite doable. 298 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,400 But the getting these cards lists up and running, yeah, that's I'm happy 299 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,880 to be where we're at right now, and then we'll, yeah, let 300 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,680 more information that this come in and try to accommodate for the folks that use 301 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,440 it. So you've put in an enormous amount of work at this point by 302 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:17,599 developing all of these players, would you mind terribly? One of our listeners 303 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:19,960 wants to know doubling that amount of work by coming up with a model for 304 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:25,200 goalies as well. The work has already been done. When you go to 305 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:29,559 the cards the site with the cards on it, there's a little tab at 306 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:33,119 the top and you can switch between player and goalie. So I don't know 307 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,920 a number of goalies, we got a lot of goalies in there. I 308 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,640 think Wilstat's the clubhouse leader, so he's by default the first played on the 309 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,839 cards there. That was tricky. That was tricky to fold it in, 310 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,839 but so happy that it got done. Yeah, me too, Thanks, 311 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,839 thanks so much for working on that. We were talking, so I think 312 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,359 we actually talked about this before the question was even asked, because we were 313 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,279 already thinking we want to have the list of the goalies as well, which 314 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:04,200 is a little harder to do because it's not quite as easy to automate as 315 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,039 it is for the skaters, the forwards and defensemen are a little bit easier 316 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,119 to get an equivalency and kind of look at where they rank. The goalies 317 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,920 are a little bit more variable, I would say, especially because a lot 318 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,799 of their performance varies a lot, and so if you just go based on 319 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,640 the automated ranking, it's a bit wild. I had to do more editing 320 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:29,519 and modifying of the puckstud rating there than anywhere else. But that is also 321 00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,680 related to their rankings. And this is also, as a reminder, related 322 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,519 to their games played limits. So once they crossed that threshold, they're no 323 00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,599 longer although Brennan has extended that a little bit longer, but a lot of 324 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:42,960 the players aren't going to be in there if they've played too many NHL games. 325 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,039 I just think once they get enough NHL sample size in them, it's 326 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,160 a little bit easier to tell what they're going to be. So that's why 327 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,400 we cut them off. But yeah, so the goalies, and then that 328 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:55,559 was a bit tricky too because we had to decide, As Jesse said at 329 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:59,440 the beginning, you're making assumptions. So what assumptions do we make for goalies? 330 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,799 And there's a lot of different things that you can use from obviously, 331 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,799 say percentage goals against saves. You actually had a really interesting thing that you 332 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,240 brought up, Brandon, that I had never really thought about. But there's 333 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,319 something on this card that's called passes per sixty and we had a little discussion 334 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,599 about that. You want do you want to tell them your thoughts on that. 335 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,160 That's as you look to before. That's the byproduct of the let's say, 336 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,079 the lack of information or data for goalies, Like for players, there's 337 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,359 almost too much information for goalies. You're given like a little easter basket. 338 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:37,720 Here's some goals against, but in the data as passes, which is straight 339 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,240 up what it sounds like, where the goalie has a chance maybe to smother 340 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,079 the puck but chooses to play it. We don't have data if it's just 341 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,880 like a little short dish off or into the corner or the Mike Smith Marty 342 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,839 Turkle off the ice thing. But it gives a glimpse into maybe the style 343 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,079 of overall hockey player the goalie is. Are they one to just sit back 344 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,680 and let the d retrieve the puck or they like to be in pushing to 345 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,960 play up the ice. So it's interesting. It doesn't measure how well they 346 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,920 stopped the puck. But it's a fascinating little stat to have incorporated in the 347 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,960 goalie stats, I think, I think so. When you framed it that 348 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,440 way, I was like, who cares how many passes they make? Come 349 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,839 on, Bran, does that relate to anything? And then I was thinking 350 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,440 about it. And obviously we have more recent examples with Mike Smith making some 351 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:26,960 kind of boneheaded plays, but there it is a different type of goalie. 352 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,400 And I remember back when I first getting into hockey, the better example for 353 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:36,359 me was Marty Burdua versus Patrick Waugh and Burdure was he completely changed the game 354 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:40,200 and how teams dumped the puck in where they placed it, and this was 355 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,119 before the trap is a. He would wander out to the corner and just 356 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:48,480 rifle it up the ice and while not making comparison about their puck stopping ability, 357 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,680 but he was not that type of goalie. He did not do that. 358 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,680 He would sometimes go back there and stop the rim around. That was 359 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,880 about it, and not even all the time. So it is a very 360 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359 different type of goalie that wanders out, is not. So I don't yeah, 361 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480 I don't know. It's not like the most important thing or anything, 362 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,519 and you weren't saying that, but it does give you. We're just looking 363 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,240 at clues of telling you a little bit more of what it's like, and 364 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:14,119 we might try to pull some other data because there's some really interesting things on 365 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,400 in stat. There's even more things that we could pull. There's like high 366 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,319 danger recovery saves and all kinds of different weird metrics that might tell you more 367 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:27,799 about their athleticism or about their positioning perhaps. But I worry about those two 368 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:33,880 because they're small. They're events that don't happen so often, so a few 369 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,680 events can really skew that data. So it worries me a little bit to 370 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,160 include too many of those things. But then I also worry about some of 371 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,680 these raw numbers. They just don't tell you enough. So it's trying to 372 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,799 find that balance. I think between those two things that might bother you a 373 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:49,839 little bit, right, you don't want to get two in the weeds, 374 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:55,759 But you also the big picture sometimes can be a little bit blurry, I 375 00:26:55,839 --> 00:27:00,000 think too, just like the player cards and the list, like hvingformation. 376 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,880 So you come in, let's say you've taken the entire summer off. You 377 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,720 haven't thought about hockey. You've been chilling out at the lake and you're the 378 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,640 right time to do some research. You start the list and there's going to 379 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,039 be some names and guys that pop out, so you go look deeper into 380 00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,440 their card and that if they still fascinate you from there, then you should 381 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,079 be watching footage that you shouldn't be drafting a guy or trading for a guy 382 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:27,359 because oh the card was really good. Right, So yeah, it's in 383 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,519 deciding what to put on there. We try to make it applicable for especially 384 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:36,440 the tidy and the leagues, a lot of the common leagues that we playing, 385 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,759 and yeah, as you said, there's other things we can rope in 386 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:45,440 there. I've also created a tester of like advanced stats for the skaters and 387 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,759 when we do that's restart to get into the hole. Is there too much 388 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,599 data or is the data too niche? So yeah, I expect there to 389 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:57,240 be some evolution, especially with the goalie card here. But yeah, it's 390 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,400 it was a I'd say it's a challenge in a sense to get the Goali 391 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,000 card to where it needed to be that we can actually use it on a 392 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,440 day to day basis. Next question, is there going to be any kind 393 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:17,880 of a time stamp to show when the cards were last updated. Yeah, 394 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,000 there is. It's really small. At the bottom of the card, you'll 395 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,079 see the citation of the stats and the tiers, and right below that you'll 396 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,640 see a version, and then it's read by year, month and dates, 397 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,920 so you'll see right now, I believe the card says version two four point 398 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,599 zero three point three zero, which means the last updated on March thirtieth. 399 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,119 So quick and easy, little reference at the bottom to know how long it's 400 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:48,039 been since the card has been updated. Very cool. Is there a way 401 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,759 to do side by side comparisons if you want to look at two players at 402 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,160 once? Is there a tool for that? Or better off just opening separate 403 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,720 windows? Yeah? Right now, you're better off opening separate window. This 404 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:06,519 falls into the realm of the combo card. It's foreseeably doable to create a 405 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,759 card that takes your seeing and squeezes it down into the side by side. 406 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,440 It's just another step in the creative work to get that done. But the 407 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,799 way I've been using it right now is straight up to browser side by side, 408 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:23,039 and that works just as well. Next question, and this is technical, 409 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,599 but somebody wants to know any big navigating differences we should know about if 410 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,240 using from PC versus a mobile phone, or Android versus Apple, anything like 411 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:40,480 that that you found. Yeah, I'm not sure about like operating systems overall, 412 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,680 though they are designed to be viewed and used on a desktop computer, 413 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,519 you probably can look at them on their phone. I can't guarantee that they're 414 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:52,960 going to look good or operate the way they should, but I would highly 415 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,799 recommend you're going to get all of the effect by browsing on your computer, 416 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,880 on your desktop computer. And I I haven't heard anything. Nobody has mentioned 417 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,960 anything. Hey, it's not working on Map, or it's not working on 418 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,759 Windows or Firefox. So all seems to be good from what I've heard. 419 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:15,640 Awesome, obviously a work in progress there and somebody else now we're are we 420 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,160 getting into questions or just tech support here? Somebody wants to know is there 421 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:25,519 a legend or explainer spelling out how these ratings work? Not yet. I 422 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:29,599 would hope that part of this podcast is like an audio version, going back 423 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,519 to literacy types and learning styles. So somebody maybe just needed to hear the 424 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,279 words so that when they're looking at it, the pieces click and one of 425 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,160 these days in near future, I'll do a little type up and have a 426 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,079 legend and information below the cards. I think I had it mocked in there, 427 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,200 like instructions, but just hadn't had the chance to do that all up 428 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:56,759 yet. In fact, Jesse mentioned YouTube earlier. We have made a YouTube 429 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:02,559 channel. Jesse doesn't want us doing our show live on there, which is 430 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,440 fine, but we might do something like a little YouTube explainer of the cars, 431 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,599 which wouldn't be too difficult and wouldn't involve our resident curmudgeon at all, 432 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,880 so we can avoid that complexity. But we can go through and there is, 433 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,440 to be fair a lot that isn't necessarily self explanatory when you look at 434 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,400 these, and so we try to make most of it pretty clear. And 435 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,640 I think you did a great job, Brandon, but sometimes some things people, 436 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,319 especially the average person, might not necessarily completely understand. There's still people 437 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,960 out there who don't know what bash is, come on, what's going on, 438 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,400 but most of us do. But there are the things like what goes 439 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000 into the average and what's the puck score and all that kind of stuff. 440 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,480 So we'll probably do some I'll probably do that. And if you want to 441 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,880 be involved, brand and you can sure, Yeah, that sounds fun, 442 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,480 but yeah, we will do that definitely. All right. That sums up 443 00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:00,440 the questions that came in through Patreon and through some of the users. Anything 444 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,480 else you want to throw out there about this cool new thing that you've designed 445 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,960 their Brandon or other thoughts you've got on a vicar. I don't have any 446 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:14,519 other thoughts or bits of information. I think I've tried to get everything out. 447 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,279 I just I'm curious for people to get their hands on it and pushes 448 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,559 limits. See if there's anything that breaks, see if there's the more people 449 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,559 look at it and look up, players will maybe go hey, why is 450 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,640 this guy so low or so high? Or when I do this, the 451 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,880 data disappears. So it's more of that sort of testing out the cards and 452 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,400 refining it through that process. But I hope that a lot of the work 453 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,599 into making it visually palatable is will go a long way and allow people to 454 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,960 just jump in and go yeah, I have some of the thoughts too. 455 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:51,000 I think, as we said in the beginning, the product is only going 456 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,640 to be as good as the assumptions you make, the data that you call, 457 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,680 and how you organize everything. So that's why we wanted to spend a 458 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,440 lot of time making sure that we did that and checking and rechecking things. 459 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,440 I know a lot of times I'm going through stuff or other people will notice 460 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,680 things and we'll talk to Brandon and then you'll kind of go through and look 461 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,000 at some things, and sometimes things need to be adjusted or tweaked or whatever. 462 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,279 That's always a work in progress. But now that we have that, 463 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,920 there's so many other things that we can do with it. Right, Like 464 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,920 we've already been talking about, these are the basic player cards that, as 465 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,039 we said, give a little idea of the basic numbers. Goal assists, 466 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,319 penalties, shots, hits, blocks, points, bash, things like that. 467 00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,119 There are other things that we can do, and we've already been talking 468 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,400 about what would a more advanced metric card look like, right, so you 469 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,400 could look at what is their course. We could also add other things like 470 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,519 face off wins for people who are interested in that, of course, not 471 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,079 for defenseman, but for the centers that might be interesting, and even some 472 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,319 of the wingers or you don't know if their centers or not, how many 473 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,640 faceboks are they taking. That kind of stuff would be useful. And then 474 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,920 just some the net expected goals for shots there's transition data that's available. You 475 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,039 can look at zone entries and exits and all that kind of stuff. So 476 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,840 there's a lot of possibilities here. And do you want to speak to that 477 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,679 a little bit right sure? Yeah, mentioned that the events stat one right 478 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,920 now is roughed in and there's a lot to look at the camera, honey, 479 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,039 columns are off the top of manter. How many like stats that we're 480 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:28,360 looking at there, And like you mentioned, I do want to maybe even 481 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,360 consider doing different cards. So you got a dentse stats for forwards and defenders, 482 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,280 so there might be more reliance on dump in retrievals and that sort of 483 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,159 thing, or zone exits for defenders. Right now it's all lumped into ones. 484 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,840 You're got to look at a defender on our dent stat mock up card. 485 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:51,079 It's a big chasm on the face off side of things. But yeah, 486 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,400 some information or some I guess poking in direction going forward from the viewers 487 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,519 and users of stats like the seat in that one, if they'd like to 488 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:05,199 maybe see it broken down in a different formats Like right now, I think 489 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,039 it works what we have with the bars and the chips for the tiers, 490 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,800 but maybe the event Stats takes a completely different creative direction that just works for 491 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,719 them. But yeah's that'd be like the next step on the Rizon in terms 492 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,519 of another to play with. In terms of business, yeah, we got 493 00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:29,480 There's lots of possibilities here, so feel free to offer suggestions feedback. We 494 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,239 love that kind of stuff. We already have made a ton from the first 495 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,039 prototype the Brandon put up, which I think was already the first one you 496 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,239 put out was already really good, but I think we've made it even better, 497 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,679 and there's a lot of opportunity for extra things. I my concern is 498 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,599 putting too much on one card. It can definitely get too busy. But 499 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,599 if you have a basic and an advanced sort of card, or an underlying 500 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,559 metric card, then you can accomplish different goals because I don't think those are 501 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,119 really tough, only the same story. So it depends on what picture you're 502 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,840 trying to paint, right, it's you can't You can't have a Mone overlying 503 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,800 the Mona Lisa would just look like a giant mess, right. You got 504 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,159 to separate those two and they can both be great in their own way, 505 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719 So we got to We'll think about that. But yeah, let us know. 506 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,559 And there's other things that we can do too with the list and the 507 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,719 visits that we are going to work on too, and moving everything over to 508 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,320 the website so you don't have to try to access some other ways. So 509 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:30,199 it should be pretty easily accessible and hopefully people are enjoying the website, which 510 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,639 you also help put together, Brandon, So thank you. Yeah, yeah, 511 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,360 no problem is it's like I said, it's my natural tendency is to 512 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,599 speak in that language and to just do it right. So the website came 513 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:44,239 because that I had to just mock it up. Who's in my head? 514 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,000 I'm like, hey, what do you think where we go? And same 515 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,679 with the cards, right, it's like, yeah, fortuitous linkage of skill. 516 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,360 But yeah, we have a lot and I think we're just scratching the 517 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,679 surface of where we can go with it. That's absolutely tremendous stuff. Brandon. 518 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:04,719 Appreciate you. As far as YouTube, Victor trying to I've got what 519 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,079 they call in the business a face for radio, and I look like the 520 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:12,920 Mona Lisa Late on top of a Mona Late on top of a Cormick McCarthy 521 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,199 movie. We don't need to see that. We don't need to see that 522 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,199 on the YouTube for the kids out there, But anyway, distracting. Thank 523 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,760 you Brandon, great work and I think people really enjoy these. Thank you, 524 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:37,639 Jens. You're right back to close out the show. Well, that's 525 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,239 it today, short and sweet. A couple reminders before we take you out 526 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,079 of here. Our show's brought to you by fan Tracks. You can move 527 00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:50,000 leagues over there start new leagues. 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Follow 546 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,079 his work as well as his other podcast, Dauber Prospect Report with Peter Harling. 547 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,760 You might even catch a couple of scouting reports from me because I'm writing 548 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,760 there now too. Victor writes at ep Rinkside. He's part of the fantasy 549 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,079 team with Cam Robinson and Mike Clifford. I do a solo show, Dynasty 550 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,599 Sports Life for different Nineasty Sports, sometimes multiple at the same time. Normally 551 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,119 comes out on Tuesdays this week might be late Tuesday, might be Wednesday. 552 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:42,480 We're gonna have to see just the way the interviews are falling. Follow on 553 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:49,199 x at fan Hockey Life is me mainly the episodes as they drop. Victor 554 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,159 is at Victor Nuino v c tr N one to two. 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