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Hello everybody, Welcome back to that
No Matter, your weekly Rocking Matter podcast,

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and welcome to the album review show. We have got eight of the

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best and most interesting records from this
month to tell you all about, from

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all pretty up and coming bands as
time as well. This is classic TNM

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stuff where if you've come to discover
some new favorite artists. I hope this

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episode we'll do the trick for you. My name is Paran Hash and returning

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to the fold, Elliot Paisley is
joining me for this one. Hello,

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how you've been? It was Italy
as sweaty as the last time I saw

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you, emerging from the death grips
pit. I feel like every time I

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one here, I've just emerged from
some sweatpit. Every soon time I can

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escape at every festival is the horsest
festival in the world. Even my holidays

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are record temperature. My whole life
is just drinking water now. Yes,

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So, I did you get into
any sort of heavy metal adventures over in

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Yonder Italy? I had some fisheads. That's pretty fucking that's pretty mental inspo.

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Yeah, wild. So Sam is
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Elliott has just got back from holiday. So impressures of these albums have been

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pretty on the fly. It is
a bit of an impromptu episode. It

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might be a bit wings, but
I think we can do it. I

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certainly have spent you know, there's
plenty of time with what we're going to

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be talking about today. We are
going to be reviewing episodes from Black Braid,

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Mutoid Man, Torture, Rap Out
of Heaven, Caligram, The Sun's

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Journey through the Night, Temple of
Angels, and Home is where I hope

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that a lot of those names will
be relatively new to you because it means

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we can tell you all about them. News. This is one that I

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didn't know how to put this in
news. I've just kind of slapped this

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in as it's kind of developed today. You know, we've got some kind

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of sillier stuff later, and I
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that's, you know, transitioning out
of stuff. It feels bad. But

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today we did wake up to the
news that Anti Flag had very quietly,

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through their kind of social media Patreon
kind of means very quietly disbanded and broken

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up. And over the course of
the day it became clear that some very

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serious rape accusations had been leveled against
their front man just insane. So again

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this is very very very fresh.
Have to you know, see where these

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things go. But obviously, you
know, compassion with survivors. Horrible stuff

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going on there. Yeah, so
that's the anti flag at news. Let's

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talk about what we really want to
be talking about. Code Orange have come

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through. We have been speaking about
Code Orange fairly frequently of late. They

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came through some new songs not too
long ago, we saw them not too

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long after that. But the news
that we have been waiting for for I

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guess however many years now, is
that their new album is all completely thought.

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It kind of would be when they're
released, you know, Groom Replacement

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and those songs. But there is
a new Code Orange album that is coming

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on September twenty ninth. It is
called The Above, is being released through

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their new label, Blue Grape Records, and there is a song that we

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have today. I mean, obviously
we've heard other songs shoums before because Groom

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my replacement in the game. The
two prior singles are on here, but

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the song we got along with this
is called take Shape. It features guest

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vocals from Billy Corgan of of course
smashing Pumpkins fame, and I have to

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say, coming off of an unbelievably
extreme, intense Code Orange performance at Outbreak

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Festival, jumping back to people on
the internet whining because they've released a song

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that's less fallen is like, it
feels like real whiplash from what we've experienced

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of Light. But Code Orange they're
very much in their fucking divide people era,

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aren't they like, which feels like
that almost feels like underselling what they

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were doing circa forever and everything when
not everyone was on board. But Code

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Orange have really been testing how willing
people are to go with them. Yeah,

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I feel like there's been a slightly
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than we were used to last summer, and I think went under Underneath was

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coming out. It felt like every
single little move they made was documented by

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everyone, and this time it's kind
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I don't know if that's the division
causing that, or if there's something

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that they've kind of orchestrated themselves.
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of it the fact that grew might
placement in the game. We're put out

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of singles without an album announcement.
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and they didn't really have a video
be another aspect of it. I mean,

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for me, those songs, I
really liked them when they came out,

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but since Outgreat, they've both risen
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if they didn't play the game,
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how much more complex they are now
like that I didn't really give them credit

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for in the first place. Yeah, I don't really understand where all the

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division has come from because for me, well they've done with this song is

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they've managed to write a big,
stomping, general messil anthem, but I

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don't think you would have sounded as
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me, this is a triumph.
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mean, obviously a huge part of
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anymore, and it's not entirely who they

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are just trying to win over an
appeal to. But if you've got people

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who are just you know, rinsing, you know what the King Nine Records

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or whatever. All the time,
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putting out songs like this or like
Out for Blood. I think this is

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a again, So that's kind of
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spectrum where I've seen people going,
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than Out for Blood, and that
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if Out for Blood was like an
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mean people who are like really really
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are like, oh, this is
much better them doing a for me a

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less obvious banger track here while being
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you were like, oh, Out
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I don't compute exactly that they're thinking
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is again as someone we seem to
be the only people like not fucking losing

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our minds every time Code Orange do
anything that's a little bit different. I

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was listening to just before coming on
doing this. There's a new Hard Law

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episode which is the podcast I'm Through
Not Fest with a colin from Twitching Tongues

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and both from Harm's Way, and
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and he was talking about the reaction
to Out for Blood from kind of again

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sort of primarily people ensconce in the
hardcore community really really like having their knives

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out for Code Orange, and he
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I was taken aback by how unwilling
people were to kind of see what came

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next, because we've given you so
much of all these different things that show

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different kind of stripes of what's happening. For you to go, oh,

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this one thing is like all you
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of the bigger picture. It feels
very very confusing, I guess to him

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as an artist, and that's how
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as well. This track for me, in terms of this one is part

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of an album rather than Out of
La which was a standalone thing. We

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have heard two aggressive tracks from it. I like the song. I'm still

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kind of sorry, I'm still kind
of trying to get the pieces of going

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to It feels like a very like
odd ball put together song for something that

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feels so instantaneous because the like the
really rigid base groove is really ear catching.

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I think to go that kind of
simple but also threatening I'm getting my

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head around Jamie's vocals, particularly in
the verses when it's sort of more brought

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back. Do you know what I
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Out for Blood didn't really feel like
clean singing necessarily, this has like a

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very clear focus on melody, primarily
from Jamie. Yeah, it's kind of

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funny that they've called Billy Corgan on
for this song because in the verses he

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really does sound like Billy Corgan slightly
wind. Yeah, it kind of it

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throws me a little bit in terms
of, like, again how subdued that

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verse goes, and then moving into
the chorus, which I think the chorus

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is great, and that's where that
met melody totally pays off. And again

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like Rebe's a little part in the
chorus, just like one little line,

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but it's perfect. That's got They
have so much cool and so much star

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power in them, unmistakably. But
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get to the pieces, I think
it's it's just got an odd momentum as

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a song because when you get to
the bridge with Billy, the song literally

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stops and it's pretty much just Billy
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I don't find this sort of as
off kilter as you. I don't

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think Alpha Blood. I mean I
was I like that song now fast.

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I really like at the time,
I was pretty unsure. And what I

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will say that's sort of sympathetic to
the kind of oh they did Alpha Blood

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and now they suck crowd is that
when that came at, our song is

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a statement of you know, we're
taking back the air waves and press photos

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with it and stuff like. It
did feel like its own kind of mini

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era of Code Orange in a way, so I can understand at the time

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people going, oh, this isn't
for me. It feels a bit silly

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now, but at the time it's
certainly did well. I think the song

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does better than Outpha Blood is the
sort of the weirdness and the alien nature

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of COLDE Orange I think is more
present here. That's probably fair. I

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think for me that Alpha Blood is
so much more of an obvious like that

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was just always going to be an
out and out floor filling. You know,

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we like fucking Rob Zombie. You're
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hits, and I love that about
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I think the momentum of this is
a little more sort of like up and

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down. Yeah, And I think
one thing I will say it's I do

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think this is a great first single, but maybe after the two songs they've

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released, it's certainly a lighter touch. But it's another song in that kind

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of slamming tempo and code Orange like
great songs of that tempos, so it's

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not necessarily surprising. Maybe I would
have liked hear something a bit different in

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that sense, but maybe it lacks
on that front. I think that Billy

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Corgan feature is really good because he
comes in over those plucks acoustic chords,

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and I don't think it doesn't assarily
interrupt the flow of the song. At

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least it doesn't to the point where
you go, oh my god, Billy

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Corgan like for me, maybe it's
because it sets up with Jamie kind of

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imitating him. I think he slots
in quite nicely. Yeah. Again,

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I think I could probably see this
in the context of an album being more

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of like a particularly I mean that
Billy Corgan moment which he was weird,

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was essentially the breach of a song. But how kind of again, it

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really kind of comes out of the
blue and almost like punctures the song.

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I think it does lead back into
the following chords really really well, and

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I suppose what you're saying about like
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tempo we have heard obviously again Grew
My Replacement and stuff are very different tracks

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to this, So in terms of
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going to be, I think that
there is a very clear kind of similarly

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to I guess something like the title
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and that was that kind of more
like um whatab the word sort of like

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deceptively straightforward sort of song. This
is how I feel about this where I'm

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still like again, I really like
that chorus. I think that is where

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like again, Jamie fully taking that
mic like really is showing that you can

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do a little bit more than just
be the kind of screamy guy that we've

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we've known him as. And in
regards to that chorus itself, which you

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know, the the kind of oh
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over the internet talking about yeah,
obviously that there are choruses and melodies that

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take inspiration from the era of heavy
music. When you know code Orange were

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kids. That is not a shock. Literally every band around fucking does that.

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But I will say the guitar in
that chorus is so mean as well,

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like for a quote unquote linkin part
chorus, the tone of the guitar

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in that chorus, he's fucking insane. And that's when he go, yeah,

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that's still Code Orange. Yeah.
I mean when I saw that they

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work with Steve Albini on this new
record, yeah, that's another bizarre fact.

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Yeah, the first thing I thought
was like yeah, and then suddenly

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I went, oh, hang on, because he's known as a sort of

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raw, basic, honest approach guy, and one of my favorite things about

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Code Orange and this really blur the
lines between what's organic and what's some manipulation,

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and listening to this, I don't
really have to worry because it sounds

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fucking monolithic, like it has that
rough and ready energy that's Steve Albini kind

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of he fosters that, but it's
ultimately still cold orange sound, and they

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are one of the best sounding bands
around despite their size. Yeah again I

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think that sonically, I think this
sounds brilliant. Again, that baitch,

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like that bass lurch at the start
is just sounds so good. Um.

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said that this is that they kind of,

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at least a lot of this record
they recorded together live in the Room

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with Steve Albini, which so much
of Code Orange you imagine being assembled like

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a jigsaw puzzle, right, And
I wonder whether it's like when they when

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they did Forever and Famously they kind
of recorded the sort of like the bass

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band elements of that with Kurt Blue
and then the whole sort of like second

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layer of the record was primarily handled
with will Yip, And I wonder whether

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there's a similar thing going on there
where they kind of did this, you

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know, Steve Albini full or live
in the room, let's play like a

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band, and then weaved in everything
else on top, which has worked for

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them before, even if it seems
like a really mad way of kind of

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working. But yeah, I think
this is again the choruses in my head

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right now as we're speaking, I
think really really stands out. I think

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putting this together with some like groom
replacement, of course, I'm really fascinated

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to hear what the record is going
to be, even if it does keep

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riling up people who say they sound
like fucking pod now or whatever, even

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though those people clearly you've never heard
a pod song. The Menzingers have also

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got a new album that is one
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feels like we've been on here a
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like, yeah, it's a mending
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now, And even with them saying
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we've not actually got an album announcement
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those I'm sure you know if you
like it or not. A whole bunch

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of more hardcourt stuff going on.
Because Harm's Way are also back within your

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record that is coming out on the
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nine. That record is called Common
Suffering, the traffic called Silup Wolf.

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something creatively, so that is a
welcome return. Also, Angel Dust are

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back with a brand new record called
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fuck out of me. I don't
know where you stand. I mean mixed

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feelings, rocket the fuck on forever. It's really good and pretty buff is

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kind of funny. I've heard these
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you know. I briefly listen to
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and the guitar tone seems like it's
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which was like essentially like a fucking
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that with the most confusing part to
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happens and vanngeled us. Now this
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another little EP released. Fugitive is
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another one of those are through band
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Furnace, And this is just really
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first track, Blast Furnace has a
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through it that you can totally say
tearing up, a kind of nineteen ninety

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three Sepultura like mosh pit part,
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really like really fast end riffing,
super super sweet. Yeah, I mean,

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which is weirds crossover thrash. It's
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me was kind of struggling to imagine
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sense, Like, yeah, it's
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riffs, and that kind of got
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and now I'm able to enjoy it
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It's not too much more to report than

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that. Really. Yeah. Again, it's just waiting to see again what

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this band really developed into. But
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be the most I've enjoyed something for
Fugitive so far, So very good.

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There Paradise Lost when ounce there.
Their rerecording of their icon album is going

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to be out on remember the first. They're playing some shows around that in

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December as well. Um, I
don't know if you heard the Cavallera rerecordings

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for Morbid Visions and Best Devastation are
really fucking good, Like they are some

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of the most extreme, like ravenous
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know, thrash musicians of their generation
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I think, you know, obviously very

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very different kind of music. But
Icon is one where I can kind of

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imagining sort of like modern Paradise Lost
sound being applied to like those kind of

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nineteen eighty three songs or whatever.
I think is one I'm you know,

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if not going to be something I'm
reaching over the original four agam, we'll

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see, but like I am curious
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a weird will though, because Paradise
Lost have never sounded particularly youthful, Like,

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they. They might have more of
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of stature to them, I guess, so that Icon, to me,

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it's still one of the best sounding
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weird to kind of want to go
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they call it Nick's version, but
yeah, I don't. It strikes me

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as well because like even when Exodus
have done it, and there's been a

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few of them, it's not even
their most popular record, right. If

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they were just going to do this
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you'd expect it, Oh yeah,
we'll return to draconian times. This feels

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like they have gone like, yeah, there's something about Icon that we really

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feel like kind of coming back to
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I would love to hear the story. I'd like to know why they're

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doing it, but it's just it
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like no one listens to Icon and
goes the wasted potential. If only they

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could do it now, it's like
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am again, I think there is
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you know, very nineties again,
the thing that Paradiso's really really kind

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of brought in and changed on kind
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in time of that sort of like
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that became really really popular for a
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curious to hear what again the very
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now does I'm definitely there's no question. Yeah again. I'm just saying in

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terms of like re recorders, I'm
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about if they again them doing Icon
than doing again like the two most classic

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Paradlecels albums in my mind are Raconian
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if they return to be like,
Okay, Icon, it's like, oh,

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what we're doing this for? Okay, I'm interested, I'm intrigued.

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what myself and Mark were heavily discussing
last week, because the Creed fucking wagon

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continues rolling on, and we did
get the news that Creed are in fact

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reuniting and specifically the I don't know
if this is the only thing they're doing.

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I don't know if there's a one
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first thing that's been announced. Creed
are back, but they are playing a

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Creed cruise named the Summer of ninety
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three Doors Down, buck Cherry,
and then genuinely a load of bands that

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I don't think I am fucking post
grunge enough to have any like spot for

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my brain at all vertical horizon,
not to my knowledge. Maybe I do

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a song in Bruce al Mighty,
a movie I haven't seen in twenty years.

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Probably Creed Cruise. You weren't here
talking about this last week. Oh

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are you excited? This is begging
for a torpedo. I say that I

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would love to go. That's that's
yeah, I'd love to be on it

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when it's hit by a torpedo.
It sounds awful, But also like I'll

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be able to set when it's happening
and I'm not there, of singing higher

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on the waters of the Bahamas,
yeah, or varying. Indeed, I

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do hope there is a there's more
in them than this, and they come

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to our shores and elsewhere as well. But they'll be sailing around the Caribbean

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first of all, on the Creed
Cruise. Damnation first of all have added

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another pretty big set to the bank
for this year's event. They have bagged

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Catatonia doing what number of other bands
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playing two sets distinct sets. One
at the Night of Salvation pre show even

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though at the stage it's not really
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another incredible, equally important part of
the event. And on the main donation

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date, they're going to be doing
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but that special set from the NAT
Salvation is going to be playing their

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dead End Kings album in full,
which I think is You know, when

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we reviewed Catatonia earlier this year and
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think is really really great, I
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out that I like this much and
they are consistent band, right, the

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records in that gap I still think
are very good. But the last one

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I like this much was dead End
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so I think returning to it at
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days is pretty instant. Dead End
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if I wouldn't put it right at
the top of my Catatonia ranking, I've

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got a weird soft spot for it. I think it's just the time it

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came out, but I can't really
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They were they said they were going to

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do it last year, but they
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moment with Coding Sin. But yeah, I certainly probably top five Catonia records,

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and they've got so many that they
they're a bit like Enslaved, who

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again Enslaved are literally doing two album
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see both of them. Catonia have got

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records that they've returned to different patches, different eras or whatever. And I

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think even if it again it's not
my absolutely number one pick, it's high

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enough to go like dead End Kings
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yeah, for this one off thing, we're going to do that.

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indeed, and that is indeed the highest

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build sort of slot on the night
a Salvation events that's going to be closing

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the whole affair Iron Maiden. In
the time since myself and Mark saw them

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on this tour when we spoke about
a few weeks ago, they have been

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having gong problems, which just makes
me think about the Karli Ra Jepson gone

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problems. I don't have gone problems. But did you see what's going on

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with the various gong mishaps? Why
does it happened multiple times in different ways?

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This isn't a problem for Harm's Way, is it. I wish Harm's

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Way had a gong. I bet
twitching tongues could put it off. I

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bet like Colin could come out dress
of the wrestler and smack a huge gong

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before a beat down or something.
But what's going to be, by my

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maid is one point in time the
gong beat the end that just flew across

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the stage and Bruce just sort of
stood there dumbfoundered and started playing it like

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a flute. And the other slightly
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Nicco while he was playing, and
amazingly he just continued. He was just

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kind of sort of slightly leant forward
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Can you imagine I annoyed? You'd
be because this is the downside of heavy

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mail theater. It's so great,
but when it goes wrong, it's not

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if you've heard yourself doing something really
stupid and it's a bit embarrassing and shameful.

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It's like, why did we even
have a gong? And now I'm

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crushed underneath it? Yeah about me, fucking you know, good job it

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wasn't higher up or something and fell
with serious sort of a yeah you know.

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Wait because if at the end of
Iron Maiden's storied career they broke up

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because their drummer got you know,
crushed by a gong, the most final

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tap thing would have ever happened in
the history and heavy metal. If they'd

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gone through forty plus years of a
career only to end with with a gong

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death, it would have been seriously
something that our community as a whole would

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never ever have lived up and got
on passed. But he lives so brilliant

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there and now this is a solemn
moment for that's not my podcast as a

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whole, because it seems that psychosexual
slash psycho Sinner, as I believe it

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was cooled at the end, very
briefly for some reason, is no more

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because Jeremy Spencer, I don't know
if you saw this quote from him gone.

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So Jeremy Spencer is basically he's talking
about psycho sexual slash sinner in the

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past tense. Now he's saying,
you know, it was a thing that

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we did. It was a thing
I did. I had fun doing it.

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hated it was and how it was

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the butt of the joke, and
how he was like, we put out

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seven albums and fucking one day and
people, you know, throw it back

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at us. And now the thing
he's doing is he has started a new

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death metal band called Semi Rotted,
and they put out a track that features

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corpse Grinder and everything, unfortunately being
Jeremy Spencer, It's terrible and it sounds

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fucking awful. It it's like a
five finger death punch, but on the

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cheap production job applied to like what
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I'm morbid, angelous one or something. It's not doesn't sound good at all.

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Corpse Grinder obviously innocent, and I
don't want to, you know,

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beat a man while he's down in
this regard in terms of Jeremy Spencer,

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because I think, you know,
obviously it's you don't want to have your

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your creative pursuits just absolutely turned into
the laughing stock of the internet. But

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uh, psychosexual I think was a
special moment. It was. It was

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more than just isn't this bad?
It was it was bad in a fascinating

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kind of way. And maybe it
wasn't to last for too long, or

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maybe we should treasure the memories of
psychosexual uh that that we have, but

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it certainly seems at that time is
no more. It's a weird thing to

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do and being secure about what I've
just yeah, you feel like that guy

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would own it? Right? Yeah, you really was all out. It's

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all come flooding back to me.
And he said something about like, oh,

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people were closed minded. It's like
Jeremy, no one names, you

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call yourself devil daddy. Yeah,
and actually I've really he said something else.

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He went on, we had seven
number one songs on the secondary radio

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market of rock radio. It's like, that's quite the cabin spencer. And

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again he's trying to scrub it from
the internet, like you can't get some

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of the videos anywhere. They don't
buy the CDs and people listen, you

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won't be able to see this.
That's as flex on you, perm o,

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what psychosexual lives in my house?
He cannot say this away. Elliot

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is holding a CD from I've Got
Songs to Stalk You buy? Why do

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you have a CD of Songs to
Stalk You by? Which one was?

405
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,759
Oh my god, For a second
I thought that was a seven inch.

406
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:34,599
I was like, when did Psycho
the most limited real cred thing. Yeah,

407
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:40,319
I've got the demo, I've got
the split they released with Dysphear.

408
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,079
I think this is the first EP. So I'm pretty wow, how serious

409
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,519
dragging? Right? You are right. I do think it's strange how he's

410
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,759
kind of um like, at least
let it live on the internet for all

411
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,519
to see, right, And I
know that people should like be existing on

412
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,960
the internet for everyone to see is
hard, But yeah, Jerry Spencer again,

413
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,279
the way he threw himself so wholeheartedly
into that, I think it is,

414
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,000
I guess sort of surprising to see
how sort of thin skinned it was.

415
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:17,200
And I think backtracking and deleting its
existence is a shame. And you

416
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,720
are quite right, they can never
take away from you the fact that you

417
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,799
hold the physical evidence maybe the only
the only man on earth who holds the

418
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:29,480
physical evidence of psychosexuals existence. So
yeah, I guess we'll end the news

419
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,079
on that particular note. If you
would like to support this podcast and help

420
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,359
us out and keep us going.
The best way to do so is by

421
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,680
heading over to Patreon dot com slash
that's no matter. We've just pound out

422
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,279
a new album Roulette episode where if
you're new here, if you don't know,

423
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,480
we pick a theme with these episodes
and we pick some albums to talk

424
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,039
about the go with that, and
it's usually a lot of fun. Every

425
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:52,200
summer, it's a great opportunity to
talk about stuff that just bakes you in

426
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,119
that and makes you feel good.
Oddly, no one else who is on

427
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,480
that episode with me is here right
now. But this does mean I can

428
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,000
ask without fear of a I don't
know sort of input from anyone else.

429
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:07,319
Elliott in point of entry, A
good album? Yes, yeah, is

430
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:10,480
it, like, like how good? Obviously everyone who isn't you know,

431
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,960
a terrible person agrees heading out to
the highway and the peaks on it.

432
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:18,079
Right, Oh yeah, yeah of
course. But what what what? What

433
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
level of good are we talking about
bout the entry? I mean, if

434
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,079
I ranks the prest albums, it
probably is around ten or eleven. Yeah,

435
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,440
but that's that's pre standards, No
exactly, if that's pre standards,

436
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,519
so it's I mean, it's one
of those word it's in aids and then

437
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,440
I put it on and I go, this is the best album I've ever

438
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,319
heard, very very good. Indeed, I'm glad you've said that. The

439
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,400
next question is does Frank Turner make
music that is in any way cool?

440
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:48,160
Absolutely not. We're two for two
here and can't we complete the set?

441
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:53,799
Have you felt the power of Blessed
by a Broken Heart? I've not felt

442
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:57,960
the power. Does that mean you've
not heard the record or you are displeased

443
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,240
with the record. I've not heard
the record. You should first thing tomorrow.

444
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,759
I'm feeling the power. It's really
something and if you want to hear

445
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,960
you know, much fuller versions of
those discussions and what's going on, plus

446
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,960
other records as well. That is
all in that episode I've just mentioned there.

447
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Next week it's album club time again. We didn't get the moment to

448
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,599
do one last month because of download
and outbreaking everything else. But it is

449
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,000
a thing that we generally want to
have every month, so it's very good

450
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,079
to be back with it. Another
pack is coming at you of four of

451
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,160
the coolest, most interesting albums to
talk about from rock and metal history,

452
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:36,359
and I can tell you that they
are a band already cemented in heavy music

453
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,599
history, but capping off their classic
run with an album that some people might

454
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,079
tell you as their best slayer seasons
in the Abyss. We are going to

455
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,400
try and drill into what might be
different about the slayer of that record from

456
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,599
the slayer of before, Like is
that the slayer of a new era.

457
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,400
We're also going to start talking about
something that is one of the great kind

458
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,240
of unspoken influences on a lot of
what we're going to talk about. I

459
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,240
guess what we do talk about in
general today, but we've never really done

460
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,160
any like Patient Zero, ground floor
shoegaze type records. So we are going

461
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:14,559
to talk about one of the mammoths, my Bloody Valentine's seminal loveless in punk.

462
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,640
We are going to talk about one
of the kind of modern eras Staple

463
00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:19,640
TNM bands. They've had like two
album clubs before. I think there must

464
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,960
be pushing a record, and it's
kind of a strange band to think about

465
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,119
be pushing that record. But it
is about time that we talk about the

466
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,640
Cancer Bat's wobbliest record in terms of
how people responded to it, Searching for

467
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,480
Zero, And we are going to
talk about one of the death metal records

468
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,559
from the last ten years, that
little fire that we are still feeling today.

469
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,319
We've done nineties death metal classics,
so let's talk something modern. Blood

470
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,079
Incantations, debut albums, star Spawn, Patreon dot Com, slash that's done

471
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,119
metal coming at you very very soon. Indeed, like we said, this

472
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,359
reviews bag is almost the polar opposite
of the one we did last month,

473
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,559
because which I like that. I
like having that variety. Last time we

474
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,559
were overwhelmed by huge bands, where
we had a Queen of the stone Age

475
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:04,559
album third in the running order.
Today, the most monthly listeners on Spotify

476
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,279
any of the bands we are reviewing
has is one hundred and seventeen thousand.

477
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,920
To put that in perspective, Queens
of stone Age, who again, will

478
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,200
the third biggest band we did last
time have well over eight million. We

479
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,000
are not even going to be starting
with that particularly biggest number. But we

480
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:20,039
are talking today all about, you
know, cool names that might bubble in

481
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,480
under the giants of this year.
First late, we are going to talk

482
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:23,920
about just the buzziest band on this
list, I think it's fair to say,

483
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,680
and that oddly takes us straight away
to extreme metal, although not so

484
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,599
extreme as to sort of pigeonhole its
appeal. I guess black Braid and his

485
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,039
album Blackbraid two. Blackbraid is a
name that really surfaced last year with shockingly

486
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,680
the Blackbraid one album. Very smooth
turnaround of another record here, and every

487
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,519
now and then you get something from
a world like black metal that gets a

488
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,319
lot kind of bigger voices on board
with it, and Blackbraid pretty immediately was

489
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,400
that. We didn't get the moment
to review that first one, but it

490
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,920
was totally on the radar as like
something that was really turning heads, and

491
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,920
so it only feels right to talk
about the next one, now, Elliott,

492
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,279
did you have much of kind of
Blackbraid like crossing your path in terms

493
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,720
of the last year or so,
Yes, you saw the name a lot

494
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,480
when the record came out last year, but I never got around to it.

495
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,720
It was one of those things where
it felt like it almost because it

496
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,680
got popular so quickly, it kind
of hurtled over the black metal circles talking

497
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
about it. Yeah, felt like
a very similar thing to happen with Elan

498
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,720
Arder in that regard. Yeah,
exactly that, and that took me a

499
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,119
while to get around to as well, just because not like it's a media

500
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,559
plant or an industry plant or anything
cynical like that, but there was something

501
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,000
about it which didn't really reach out
and grabbed me straight away. I think

502
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,559
part of it, to be honest, and I understand why this was so

503
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,720
widely reported, because it is an
interesting aspect to the record and central aspects.

504
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,880
In fact, they felt like a
lot of the things I was reading

505
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,960
were making more of a thing about
the artist's origin than it was the record

506
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,480
they're in. And there's been a
few signs where that's happened, where it

507
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,559
feels like that story is sold in
place of having great music, and it's

508
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,279
maybe quite cynical about those kind of
stories. So I kind of had alms

509
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,960
on it, but I never went
back and checked it out, but I

510
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,640
certainly will now. Yeah, and
this is a primarily one man project,

511
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,559
although there's a live band that recently
has been on stages on you know,

512
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,960
the kind of the Decimel tour with
counters, the appetition and the like,

513
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,679
getting some rave reviews there. I
think there is a session drummer on this

514
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,679
album, but primarily it's one guy
literally, formed in February of twenty twenty

515
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,639
two, so very very quick,
we're getting this whole project off the ground.

516
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,199
Now he's getting features in like the
New York Times. That's where this

517
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,559
is going. It's a guy who
goes by the name Skaga Sower. I

518
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,880
believe it is the pronunciation, and
he comes from a Native American background,

519
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:37,440
which which he's very much channeling into
this black metal project. The first album

520
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,440
I liked, it did feel like
a almost like it could be a first

521
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,840
EP, compared to this being like
the debut album as a bit, some

522
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480
of them maybe like how kind of
some of the early MIRCA stuff sort of

523
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,079
felt leading into where she went with
it. There are a couple of really

524
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,280
good songs there that kind of stood
out. And now this project has gone

525
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,280
from like just over half an hour
to including I guess the bonus track here

526
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:58,920
over an hour this one so literally, it's like, it really feels like

527
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,960
the second album means a lot more
business despite the only year turnaround. And

528
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,440
I think that's why it's the perfect
time press really kind of bring this forward.

529
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,119
I think this album is really beginning
to kind of deliver on the promise

530
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,400
of Black Braid, and certainly we'll
draw in a lot of people for something

531
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,719
like this and the kind of world
it has origins in. Absolutely, for

532
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440
me, I think this album is
really excellent. It's an album that,

533
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,519
while all the factors that go into
it are present and correct and important,

534
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,000
it doesn't feel like it's overrided by
its concepts anywhere. Like listening to it,

535
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,199
you can know all the concept around
Black Braid, and it maybe it

536
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,480
enhances the listening experience, But for
me, this is just super high quality,

537
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,119
fiery, imperious, black Mail,
and most of the albums that starts

538
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,239
to me and that's in black Mail
this year on more of the sort of

539
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,960
chuse experimental kind. So it's really
refreshing to me to have something new that

540
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,000
is this kind of I wouldn't go
as fast a blockbuster, but nearer to

541
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:07,480
the sort of behemoth end than it
is the the Liturgy And yeah, well,

542
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,960
I mean the base sound of this
is it's that strain of American black

543
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,400
metal that is kind of particularly sort
of celebratory of kind of you know,

544
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:19,719
nature and the earth in it sounds. The guy very clearly loves Agaloc also

545
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,039
Wolf from the Throne Room, Panopticon, etc. A lot of the kind

546
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,239
of heavier guitar tone sound like Wayfarer
to me one there is loads of like

547
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,039
very melodic black metal stuff like Uarda
as well and kind of bringing those things

548
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:37,000
together. But also there is a
very direct kind of melodic heavy metal sensibility

549
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,039
with how big the sound is that
I think in terms of like an extreme

550
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,920
band who kind of or again almost
jump over appealing to a lot of extreme

551
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,880
metahus and just go hey, metal
fans, you like us a modern math

552
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,000
and stuff like that, and that
kind of that that relatability in terms of

553
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,360
the crossover appeal that this is having. There is a kind of modernity about

554
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,400
this despite how roots of the atmosphere
is that does make you that kind of

555
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,599
would sound big on a big stage. You have one of Mouths, one

556
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,800
of the bands that came to mind
for me on the twilight of Ancient Blood,

557
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,840
and that all slows down. It
is so withold and on our side

558
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:16,599
there's all just like MT and Stomp
and again the bands you're sort of Agalock

559
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:22,239
and Oxscone, that sort of thing
stomp and crunch and fist in the air

560
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,960
is not therefore ta so much.
It's more about world building and subsuming in

561
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,079
a particular environment, and this having
a bit of that heavy metal flare makes

562
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:38,320
this just rattle along in a way
that I think those bands not necessaries to

563
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:44,000
their detriment, but maybe hold some
of their appeal in certain circles. Yeah,

564
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,079
well, I think again, the
reverse of that conversation is my sort

565
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,920
of fear with Black Tarade when it
was kind of first surfacing, was that

566
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,599
something like, again, if you
take bands like an Agalock or whatever,

567
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,159
but if you made a kind of
one mainstream, palatable version of them,

568
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,960
is that we would have something like
that, but without the real depth and

569
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,320
the real magic, right. And
I think in order to be able to

570
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,360
sort of sell that, you need
to really make the songs work. And

571
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960
I think that is really what's happening
on this Black Braid record, that it's

572
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,199
like, Okay, these like compositions
and the songs and that kind of again

573
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,480
rousing heavy little spirit and everything is
like powerful enough now that it doesn't need

574
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:29,719
to sound like you know, the
Mantle or whatever, or you know,

575
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,400
Died Ever, twelve Stars, whatever
you may say. There's just a real

576
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,079
like it's very easy to understand this, Like it's not a murky black project

577
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:42,239
in the slightest, it feels huge
and immediate, and the core progressions feel

578
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,800
like they have a very sort of
clear, emotional sort of goal they're moving

579
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,440
towards. The production sounds really warm
and brilliant. When it goes like full

580
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,000
throttle with the double bass and everything, it's really earthy and powerful, and

581
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,960
it still has again, I think
the usage of things like the acoustic intros

582
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,599
and interludes and all that is very
well done. It's not kind of disconnected

583
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,440
and just there for show. It
just really sets you up to kind of

584
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,199
end to the palette of the record
incredibly tastefully. But The Spirit Returns is

585
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:14,039
like a four and a half minute
song that just has this really ear catching

586
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,480
main riff, and for the kind
of thing that it is, it's just

587
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:21,519
a very concise, direct song that
shows a very strong sense of song craft.

588
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,920
It's a genuine gin. Yeah.
It's funny. What's more Paradise Lost

589
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,440
earlier because they have that same kind
of flavor where it was Gothic, it

590
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,000
was theatrical, it was all of
those things. But because it was centered

591
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:39,039
around an easily decipherable vocalist and big
riffs, it could have had a sort

592
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:44,400
of populist appeal and the spirit returns. It's almost like icon shades of Godia

593
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:50,559
a Paradise Lost played fast and harder
because the riffs and riffs and hooks are

594
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,559
so easy to pick out in the
world. Yeah, it's not you know,

595
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,719
kind of straining to hear the song. It's plops right in front of

596
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,480
you. Yeah, I think that's
I guess the primary appeal of this is

597
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:06,400
how like the wolf that guides the
hunter's hand is made in my favorite song

598
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,599
on this round, because when it
just locks into that kind of galloping double

599
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,440
bass part, it just feels brilliant, like you don't have to mess around

600
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,760
with it. It's just so thick
and powerful. You go, yeah,

601
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,039
good, I get this. And
when that song goes double time that is

602
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,760
really a modern Maath like very kind
of almost like old school versus of the

603
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,519
world stuff or whatever. A song
of Death on Winds of Dawn opens with

604
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:29,119
this leave that could be like Michael
Ammett or something like just very like well

605
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,880
conditioned hair blowing in the wind,
before the rest of the song goes that

606
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,719
much more kind of you know,
melodic Uarda style kind of blast. It

607
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,920
is just a thing that I love. So there's just a there's a constant

608
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,719
sense of kind of emotion in the
melody that it's very you know, plainly

609
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,159
kind of melodic extreme metal playing that
is meant to you know, kind of

610
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:51,039
rowls the soul in some way,
and it really it sells that so well.

611
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:52,880
There's a slower rift break towards the
end of the Wolf that guides the

612
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,119
Hunter's hand and that goes super kind
of melodic doom, but in a really

613
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,719
beautiful way, and I think they
kind of land those moments increasingly well.

614
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:05,159
Yeah, Moss Covered Bones on the
Alster of the Moon, which is the

615
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:09,360
most more to the Throne of Room
title that they like. That starts like

616
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,840
a dirge and it gradually builds the
tempo and intensity and it goes from something

617
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,559
pretty downtrodden into a sort of triumphant
new way of British heavy metal gallop and

618
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,880
then this ecstasy in the final act
with these dueling leads. It's really great

619
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,440
musical storytelling, which you don't have
to appreciate it on that level. You

620
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,159
can just enjoy the parts. Yeah, I mean, that's the longest track

621
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,360
on the record. It's thirteen and
a half minutes long, which for something

622
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,519
that if you are kind of hearing
I'll talk about it's like having heard the

623
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,480
record and you're like, oh,
you know, it must be just a

624
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,519
very very simple, straightforward, you
know, nuts and bolts thing. No,

625
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,559
he's still capable of going really fucking
you know, kind of methodical and

626
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:58,079
it's pacing and everything, but it's
so kind of legible in what he's doing,

627
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,519
Like it is very clearly this big
pick, heavy metal kind of march

628
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:06,480
that when kind of layering the guitar
leads stuff on top of that, that's

629
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,559
what kind of makes it immersive,
and that's what makes it really sort of

630
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:14,639
pop. Vocally it again bands like
Aglok Nuada or sort of the reference points,

631
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,280
but it's that weird sort of thing
of like more appealing than it should

632
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,599
be on paper, like a sort
of shrill gurgle that is weirdly oddly tuneful.

633
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
It just fits in really well in
this kind of you know, modern

634
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,400
metal sounding mix, and if you
are expecting kind of tons of like folk

635
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,199
instrumentation or whatever, it's very subtle. There are again, those like acoustic

636
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,199
interlude stuff which are really beautiful.
They have that kind of you know feel

637
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:38,920
of you know, the wilds about
them that really really works for the mood

638
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,079
of the record. But in the
kind of long metal tracks themselves, it's

639
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,920
not like a constant barrage of like
fiddle lines or whatever all the time.

640
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,760
It's big moments where something really really
takes the four and elevates, something like

641
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000
in the middle of a song of
Death there's kind of or as well,

642
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,400
moss covered bones about six and a
half minutes in there's like a really big

643
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,119
flute melody that takes it over.
Those moments. Again just very he knows

644
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,159
how to time these things. Well. Yeah, autumnal Hearts ablaze as that

645
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,320
kind of fuzzy, rustic acoustic quality
which lends it lends eleven of realism to

646
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,320
the record, I think, and
in the way the battery lens drama and

647
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,880
grits to Master Puppets or the intro
of that at least and again, like

648
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,440
we was talking about things like Knox
car Walls in the Throne Room, I'm

649
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,760
sure there'll be some people listening to
think maybe it delves into sort of hey,

650
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,280
nonny, nonny, and slightly to
which bit too, you know,

651
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,239
dance around the may pole. There's
none of that. It's it's it doesn't

652
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,320
lose the grits or the drama or
make it sound remotely silly. It just

653
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,199
sort of heightens that all of those
things. Yeah, well, again there's

654
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,000
that sort of strain of American black
metal that we're talking about. I do

655
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:51,039
think ever does go for that sort
of more I guess twee end of like

656
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,760
sort of stroke black metal or whatever. But this definitely feels like a a

657
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,440
much more immediately obvious and kind of
like having that kind of metal power behind

658
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,239
it version that can really really sell
to people. And that I mean speaking

659
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,079
of Metallica, the thrash metal riff
in the middle of Twilight and of Nature

660
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,320
Blood, where does that come from? Like that's that's a real detail that

661
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,960
just fully turned into like a black
and thrash Metallica part for a minute.

662
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,639
Yeah, that was a real head
spinning moment because again, so much of

663
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,800
this album in a sense is about
world building, but maybe less so than

664
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,800
some of the things influencing, because
for long stretches of it, it seems

665
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,719
like they're just interested in hitting that
spot that heavy metal can do when it's

666
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,960
done great. And I think balancing
those two things it's not easy because what

667
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:43,280
you were saying that adding the elements
of modernity. You think it could kind

668
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:49,199
of maybe dull the impact of either
in a sense, but the way it's

669
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,920
put together, when those moments happen, it just provide a lift that makes

670
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:57,440
the records so much more exciting,
especially towards the hour the end of the

671
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,760
hour run sign. Yeah, I
think it's definitely if he can find a

672
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,800
kind of sweet spot between these two
releases that he's done in terms of like

673
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,360
sort of length and substance, kind
of really finding the ideas to really justify

674
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,159
this heft of a record. I
like everything on this, but just kind

675
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:16,639
of keep honing it and keep making
these structures work to the best of their

676
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:22,840
ability. I think this is a
again, considering this band was formed like

677
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,000
a year and a half ago.
This is album number two that is basically

678
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,840
doubled in length from the first record. I think it's very dramatic progress.

679
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,320
I think we're seeing and that is
again I like Black Braid. I'm now

680
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,280
very very keen to see kind of
where this continues going. And then I'm

681
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,119
not sure if this is part of
the standarddition of the album or not.

682
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,079
I mentioned it earlier, but at
the end, when he covers the masterpiece

683
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:50,920
song that is A Fine Day to
Die by Bathory. I know Emperor have

684
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,239
already well worn that particular cover version, but I swear Black Braid do it

685
00:45:53,360 --> 00:46:00,079
like way faster, Like this is
a really fucking hard hitting like urge and

686
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,920
fine day to day. Yeah,
I mean, to me, my estimations

687
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,760
of this album is slightly affective.
But whether or not that's a bonus track

688
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:13,679
because it's a great cover and like
you say, it's a classic, but

689
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,239
again, when you're sort of in
the world, there is something slightly distracting

690
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,199
about that iconic opening guitar coming in, Like, I mean, I'll never

691
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,679
get sick of hearing A Fine Day
to Die, but yeah, like literally,

692
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,880
it's one of the fucking like er
text like epic black metal songs of

693
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,559
all time. Yeah, it's one
of the best songs on one of the

694
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,079
best black metal records ever made.
But it is a bit like maybe if

695
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,280
the next Onto Others record ended on
a cover of Christian Woman or something,

696
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,159
It's like, I'm sure that would
be great, but you would also maybe

697
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:44,360
have a mixed feeling about that.
I don't know. For me, it's

698
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,760
almost like kind of um, it's
always the way with black metal. I

699
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,800
like sort of like nodding the hat
and paying tribute in a way. And

700
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,360
again I like that obviously this is
this is a black metal record that like

701
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,960
could not be released in a decade
prior to at least the last one,

702
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,840
right like, in terms of how
it sounds, in terms of its mix

703
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,639
of influences, in terms of where
it's coming from, it is super super

704
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,400
like this is where black metal is
right now, and I like that that

705
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:12,960
goes. But we've still got time
to knock at a Bathy cover for you

706
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,639
guys, So I think that's cool. I think it's truentally and in its

707
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:17,880
kind of songwriting style, it sounds
a lot like band. So I really

708
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,440
love again the sort of main reference
points where we're mentioning, so like,

709
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,199
not the most original there necessarily that
it does it speak to a particular part

710
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,519
of my brain that goes, yes, I love that stuff. And then

711
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,639
the extra elements of his own personality
that are really being blended in on top

712
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,920
are giving this its own kind of
feel identity and plain and simple. The

713
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,800
songwriting and the riff writing and the
power in the sound and everything is get

714
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:43,000
it better all the time. So
I think it's not quite one of my

715
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:45,519
very favorite black metal records of the
year, but I can absolutely see why

716
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:47,760
it'd be one of the most widely
acclaimed because it's just so kind of satisfying

717
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,599
in a big, full, obvious
kind of way. So black braid too.

718
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,920
If you are just a metal fan, I would encourage you to give

719
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,320
that one a bash and see what
you make of it. Next band actually

720
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,239
is that kind of most established band
that we were talking about. Three albums

721
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,280
under their belt. It might be
the most of anyone we're talking here,

722
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:10,360
but also many, many more than
that in their assorted projects, Mutoid Man

723
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,719
and an album very on brand simply
titled Mutants. The cover is brilliant.

724
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,639
It's got a crabman like crawling out
of a nuclear vat's fucking great. Mutoid

725
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,440
Man are one of the most all
star all star bands on the planet because

726
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,679
Stephen Brodsky, frontman of Cavin,
Ben Coller, drummer of Converge, quite

727
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,880
possibly in my top five drummers of
all time. Newly added member to the

728
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,960
ranks here Jeff Matt's, otherwise bassist
of an almighty band called High on Fire.

729
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,360
That is what you call a motherfucking
power trio. Yeah, I mean

730
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,719
pretty much anyone in that band.
If you're starting a supergroup, they'd be

731
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,119
in a conversation. But if you
want a guitar player, Stephen Rodsky from

732
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,079
the drummer and why would you not
want the guys from High on Fire.

733
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:58,079
Yeah, that bass tone on those
fucking references fucking right. So you know,

734
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,599
Mutoid Man ostensibly a side project of
those kind of legendary acts, but

735
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,280
I think there is something so charming
about them because, I mean, particularly

736
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,119
if you take you know, Stephen
Brodsky and Ben Koller, who have been

737
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,800
the kind of again the anchor of
this band up to this point. Both

738
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,239
of those are like the kind of
hyperkinetic spark of their bands. Right,

739
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,159
even if you are watching Converge do
the heaviest shit you've ever seen, Ben

740
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,559
Koller is playing like an excited puppy. Even when you're listening to Converge his

741
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:27,079
blood Moon project, the biggest splashes
of like kind of different colors and stuff

742
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,920
in that are coming from kind of
Stephen Brodsky's like major moments in the spotlight.

743
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,559
So when you take Newtoyd Man,
you're like concentrating all of that wide

744
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,679
eyed kind of brevity in one place. It's been a long time since the

745
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,400
last newtoy Man record six years,
but their first two and whenever you see

746
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,559
them live in that time. For
me, this isn't a side project that

747
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,159
I guess forget exists. I'm always
like, yeah, I could go for

748
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,480
a bit of newtoy Man. Yeah, so I kind of I wouldn't say

749
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,679
if I forget they exist, but
the owner's bands were. When they release

750
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,719
a new record, I go,
I should really listen to more New toyd

751
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Man because it's such a laugh,
And then I kind of continue to not

752
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,239
do so for whatever reason. And
I think maybe it's because they both play

753
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,159
in such cerebral, devastatically heavy bands
in their day job that News and Man

754
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,119
sees are like a bit of a
folly. But they're a lot more off

755
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:15,639
kilter and probably and wouldn't maybe look
experimental, but they're kind of denser and

756
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,400
more worth unraveling than that sort of
dismissive comment gives some them credit for,

757
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,960
because every time I going back to
their records, I'm kind of taking it

758
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,960
back by how much there is going
on. Yeah, I think I mean,

759
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,360
in terms of what you were just
saying, then it wouldn't be a

760
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,800
million miles away if you were to
plot mutoy Man on like a municipal waste

761
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,519
bill, and you could just have
a really fun party, but they would

762
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,840
be by far the weirdest band in
that sort of area. And I feel

763
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,920
like they're the weirdest band on most
bills you could put them on. I

764
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,480
always remember seeing them open for Mastered
on in Cavell Attack and it just being

765
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:52,119
like the most my mood has been
boosted by the very first band at a

766
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:57,320
show, Like just this absolutely ray
of heavy riff sunshine that they are,

767
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,400
and this record, they're so creative, Like the riff that opens the album

768
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,519
with call the Void is utterly bananas, like full on, how is that

769
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,440
what you've conjured out of this guitar
for this? And then you're going to

770
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:14,519
base your song on that. It's
like really proper out there thinking that.

771
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,960
I think particularly in the guitar ideas
on this one, like the really fucked

772
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,519
up riffing Unborn. There's a screeching
solo in Frozen Hearts that made me clench

773
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:24,440
my teeth. It's so like shredded
and fucking you know, white knuckle.

774
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,400
His guitar doesn't sound like a guitar
at point, it's mental. You know

775
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:30,880
a few people on Earth you know
how to get a better sound out of

776
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,960
the electric guitar than Stephen Vroski.
Yeah, whether that's his production or the

777
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,320
way he plays it either all like
I'm broken glass singling. It sounds like

778
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,519
dying back playing in cathedral, which
is not a combination. I could have

779
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,079
even imagined in my head that it
sounds great. That made me think about

780
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:53,280
kind of like it's like a sludged
up version of a classic era Danzig riff.

781
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:58,000
It's like Snakes of Christ and stuff
like that, with a kind of

782
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,039
guitar squeal, which again it's exactly
kind of shit. You could imagine them

783
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,920
sort of like smashing out one like
a two minutes to Late Night video or

784
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,159
something, and it's it spoke to
me and having that like warped rock and

785
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
roll personality that they always have.
But again, he keeps finding ways to

786
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,880
make riffs more fucked up as they
go along, Like Siphon is already this

787
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000
dizzying thrash metal riff at the start, but the last time he goes round

788
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:21,199
on it, it's like bloopin all
over the place. It's fucking bizarre.

789
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,920
Yeah, the Graveyard Love is like
two riffs for most of the song,

790
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,760
one of which is like one of
the fastest, most lumbering riffs you can

791
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,239
hear all year, and the other
one sounds like this sort of Jane's addiction

792
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,480
style up tempo gate. It does
so much that three minute run time and

793
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:39,239
you know, how did you write
that? And yet it's stuck in my

794
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,000
head. Yeah, that Graveyard Love
has a really crazy riff. I think

795
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,119
this record compared to other Muto Man
records again, the stuff that stuck out

796
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:51,599
to me more was that kind of
like really just like mangling of heavy rock

797
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,440
more side. Maybe they're super anthemic
end I think mutoy Man have got songs

798
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,679
in them that, if they weren't
such like art rock freaks, would be

799
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,559
radio hits. Like bridge Burner from
the first album particularly, is like a

800
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:06,880
just an unbelievable fucking rock song,
and this has maybe less of those.

801
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,960
Maybe I would like some more kind
of real mega brodsky vocal moments, because

802
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,599
like kif for Death from the last
albums another one that's always in my head.

803
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,320
But I will say the big Whoa
in Cool the Void, it just

804
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,599
makes you smile because they have just
such a sort of excitable energy around them.

805
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,119
Yeah, the Certain Sun as the
finale melotopally, that's a bit sad

806
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,559
Wings of Destiny, But again,
having Ben Coller in the band, the

807
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,519
engine is so supercharged then it never
feels sort of retro or they're trying to

808
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,239
hark back to something. And even
when it feels like they are, like

809
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,920
the sort of melody parts of Frozen
Hearts, even that sounds like Feel Lizzy

810
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,480
playing thrash, so it barrels along, but as that melodic nows that bands

811
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,440
like that did so well. Yeah, and then they will have these like

812
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,000
super guttural heavy turns that just have
this like you know, crazy fat guitar

813
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:58,079
tone and broad sky roaring. There's
a breakdown at the end of Unborn.

814
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,599
The Honest to God sounds like Matt
Cavallera rope, Like it's fucking well,

815
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,239
how do they get the toms to
sound that big so that they've multi tracked

816
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,400
the drum kid, it's just so
fucking huge. I wouldn't be surprised if

817
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,760
that was just Ben collar But like
stuff like that Siren Song groves like a

818
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,039
Red Fang song. I think when
they go super fast, it's always kind

819
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,360
of really thrilling. I feel like
that's where their heart really lies. But

820
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,440
then they do again switch it really
really well. I like the way that

821
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,840
siphon just starts with one of them
yelling, just like I think Ben Coller

822
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,480
is deeming broad Sky considering them.
They aren't even in their sort of main

823
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,719
band together. They just have this
like unbelievable chemistry like that clicks, like

824
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,679
their energies just clearly work really well
with each other. When you're hearing broad

825
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,639
skied, he's fucking, you know, a couple of van Halen's space thrash

826
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,800
riffs or whatever, and then Ben
Coller is just like absolutely smacking behind him.

827
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,639
It's just two guys in perfect synchronicity. And then credit as well to

828
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,320
Jeff as well, of course for
how he's well to He's kind of fit

829
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,519
into that like being a trio.
The bass is very prominent and there are

830
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,920
parts where it forms really important parts
that kind of the axis of the songs.

831
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,760
I think the last Caven record that
we reviewed last year is really fantastic,

832
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,880
and it's more of a kind of
a recent high watermark with some of

833
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,639
these guys. This is much more
like cutting loose and doing some freaky ideas.

834
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,800
I think they're still one of the
most like just really fun riff bands

835
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,519
out there, and they're still something
of a secret I think for kind of

836
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,559
the heavy music community, like how
sick this band are. They're like a

837
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,719
roadburn rat band, but they just
have some of like the raddest heavy rock

838
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,159
shunes in them. Yeah, I
mean, it's just again, maybe it's

839
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:28,239
because of the other bands they're in. You wonder if if it would be

840
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,440
a different story if they were just
three guys and this is the stuff they

841
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,079
came out with. I think it
says so much about them as creative individuals

842
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:37,400
that this is their cut loose band
and you listen to it and you still

843
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,199
think, how the fuck did you
manage to put that together? Yeah,

844
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,039
I think getting a guy to coming
in play bass who could make it all

845
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,840
work, make these ridiculous parts sound
coherent. I think this is my favorite

846
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,679
of the music. And Man records
really far to be honest. Yeah,

847
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,639
I mean, like I said,
those are the words why I listened to

848
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:55,840
them, and I thought, that's
great. I'll definitely come back to that,

849
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,239
And I don't I think there's a
fairly strong chance to come in to

850
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,840
this one and having it into my
regular listening. I really really enjoyed this

851
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,760
very nice indeed. Okay, as
we move through our reviews, we've got

852
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,039
a couple of little pairings for you
where if these are your vibes, we

853
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,320
have got some stuff from you,
and then we'll move on to something else.

854
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,079
We have got a couple of death
metal records to talk about. We're

855
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,599
going to talk about a couple of
black metal records, and we're gonna talk

856
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,519
about a couple of emo records.
As we to start with talk about death

857
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,239
metal first, we are going to
talk about a band on twenty buckspin who

858
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,360
if you're into your recent death metal, that should perk up your ears immediately.

859
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,519
And when it comes to straight up
dirt death metal, this is one

860
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,239
of my very much one of my
favorites, if not my favorite thing that's

861
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,000
hit this year. Torture Rap is
a brilliant, brilliant classic name for a

862
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:49,239
death metal band. Great name,
great logo, absolutely sensational death metal artwork

863
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,039
on this where if you know,
like you do, just know what the

864
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,320
fuck that album is going to be
from the cover. And there's a lot

865
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,000
more great word combinations to come.
As we talk about this album. The

866
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:05,679
record is called Primeval Onslaught. It's
twenty six minutes long. It is completely

867
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:09,400
skull crushing brutality. This things are
hoot, is it not. I mean,

868
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,639
right off the bat any band where
their logo is made up of things.

869
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,840
The artwork is so good. You
can just on any one of those

870
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,039
guys and they're all fucking destroyed.
There's a snake, there's an axe,

871
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:30,079
there's a rib cage that you looks
like a bag of eyes, and just

872
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,519
from that, you know it's a
good time. And I already suspected I

873
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,280
knew what this was. And then
when the first riff is basically staring through

874
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,000
the eyes of the dead, exact
thing written down, it's like, yeah,

875
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:49,039
there's this is pure cannibal worship with
room for very very little else,

876
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:52,559
but yeah, for twenty six minutes, that's that's a dream come true.

877
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,519
I think this record is fucking awesome, Like this one. It came out

878
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,840
last month, which you know,
along with everything coming out, but I

879
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:01,079
mean, elliot, you've got a
record later at the end of the show

880
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:02,960
that you really want to kind of
give its moment and already come out.

881
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,920
That's how I felt about this one. Very very different Torture Out. They

882
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,519
are a very fine death metal band. They share members with some other bands

883
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,760
like Witch Vomit. I got on
board with their last album back in twenty

884
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,840
eighteen, Melithic Humiliation, which speaking
of fine poetry, had a very good

885
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,679
track on it called Destined for dog
Meat. But this one, I think

886
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,840
has hit me even harder because my
first listen to this record was the day

887
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,280
after the depeche Mo Twickenham show a
few weeks ago, and I was at

888
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,079
Victoria coach station. I was waiting
to go home bit tired, but the

889
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,760
riffs on this thing had me just
sat in that station, pulling faces and

890
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:42,679
sweating death metal sweat while patiently sitting
around. I love how utterly dirt brutal

891
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,320
this thing is. Like the guitar
tone is fucking horrible, Like it's so

892
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,039
the antidote I need to anything I've
said about bad, overly stiff production jobs

893
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,679
or whatever. Like it sounds like
they are playing death metal entirely on instruments

894
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:58,800
made out of bones at their big
spike tankers like run Over. But at

895
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,000
the same time, it is very
very legible in its riffing and very very

896
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,440
immediate in grabbing you by the throat, as you say. The opening riff

897
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,960
a ceremonial flesh feast has that brilliant
like kind of sort of offbeat but really

898
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:13,639
still stomping, catchy death mental power
that you get from stuff like you know,

899
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,440
Bleeding eera Cannibal Corps or whatever,
and having some of those similar reference

900
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,199
points they remind it even as the
man have been around longer, but almost

901
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,840
like a kind of like a gutter
underwell version of something like Undeath, right,

902
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,599
Like, they have very similar strains
of like very catchy, well laid

903
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,000
out death metal songwriting that doesn't skimp
on the basics of white people like that

904
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,920
music. But this is just like
nastier and slimier. When I was writing

905
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,960
down influencers, I didn't. It
didn't take long. Frankly, I thought

906
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,199
this sounds like a bit of a
cross between Beating Back to Life and the

907
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,880
Bleeding, which are two Cannibal records
if you know, Fay, and it

908
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,320
has the sort of rapid, slimy, sloppy, thrashy quality of the former

909
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,960
and that groaning, okay riffs,
catchy songwriting of the latter. Let you

910
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,840
say, everything's completely legible. The
only other two things that entered into the

911
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,519
equation, or maybe a bit of
early carcass on the shorter songs, and

912
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,400
maybe a bit of bolt Thrower.
Yeah, I think it's like fourth from

913
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,480
the Pit. I've got both throw
down but which again a lot of bands

914
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,639
are doing. But the tone here
just makes it more evil. Yeah,

915
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:21,360
and the album was just a riff
Schmoger's board. Every song has a standout

916
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,519
riff like bone snare, I mean
the way that opens, an alternating between

917
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,800
grooves and blasts seamlessly and in such
an infectious way. It's one of those

918
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:36,880
where you was out loud go oh
yes. Also just conscribing their production job

919
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,079
in the title there, Yeah nailed
it, no knows. And then like

920
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:49,719
the crappier Funeral Home. That's just
what a stinky, stinky song there is

921
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,679
that that the rift opens that one. I'm the same. There are so

922
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,199
many parts in this where a song
will open and then also when they'll land

923
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,559
on a rift towards the end of
the song. Just riff switch is that

924
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:04,199
just make me gofour They are just
like stupidly hard. The last riff in

925
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,880
Ceremonial flash Feast just breaks your whole
body. But the first one of the

926
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,920
crepit funeral Home. How that comes
in, It's like, you know,

927
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,440
double based, I can runaway train. But the riff is this really kind

928
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,920
of discipline sort of steam roller descent
to infernal chasms? Does that kind of

929
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:21,519
again really immaculate kind of stomping groove
that makes you want to like smash your

930
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,559
feet through the ground as you're walking. Mentioned the sort of bolt thrower thing

931
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,239
on fourth from the pit. But
when they bring it back kind of halftime

932
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,960
towards the end, it's another of
those like final riff moments. This makes

933
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,920
me go, whoa, Like they
just they just know how to fucking pull

934
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,559
that axe back and swing it.
It's so satisfying, Like this just might

935
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:45,679
be the most just meaty. Yes, that's what I want, satisfying death

936
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,039
metal record I've heard this year.
I mean I was already excited to listen

937
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:51,639
to it, and I was down
Onlady for the flight, and that saw

938
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:57,440
the phrase fucked by death on a
song for some minute long. WHOA,

939
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,599
let's quickly talk about this kind of
you were saying, sort of the influence

940
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,000
and take long. There are a
couple of like they do mix things up

941
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:07,400
a little bit because again twenty seven
minutes, it could be all that death

942
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:13,000
metal. But first they've got a
track called morning Star Massacre, just fucking

943
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:19,360
sensational, and that is a forty
nine second just like punk death metal wrecking

944
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,880
Bull. And then that is not
actually the biggest like punk in spirit pivot

945
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,480
on the record, because you are
right fucked by death notably not to death

946
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,400
by death. That makes the world
of difference and it makes it much more

947
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,159
fascinating. But when that comes in
on just a full on okay crust punk

948
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:42,000
time, and the first guitar that
comes in before any of the others is

949
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,719
the bass guitar doing this like really
manic discharge come motorhead thing, spinning that

950
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,159
into a death metal tone, with
that tune, with that tone that they

951
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,639
have and everything, it's just so
exciting and so rowdy. It made me

952
01:02:54,719 --> 01:03:00,000
last because it's been more or less
the same thing. God's the thing absolutely

953
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,679
we love for the previous twenty minutes
or so. Then they'd change it up

954
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:06,360
slightly and they only go for a
minute and go no, back to back

955
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,480
to business. This is a bit
out there, guys. Don't do it

956
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:14,039
a jazz obviously seriously, like yeah, strip out, but fucking out again

957
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:19,800
that song though still so hit friendly
and catchy, like loans a little fun

958
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,239
I can I can sing you the
riff to Fucked by Death right now,

959
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,239
like it's a catchy tune. It's
a ditty, fucked my Death ditty.

960
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,639
You're absolutely right, you know that
that autopsy punk, death metal, spirit

961
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,079
Alive and well here. I think
this record is just super fun, immaculate

962
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,960
pseudonym check the drummer in one of
his other bands, because they're all a

963
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,920
million bands, but one of them
goes by the name squid Nasty, which

964
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,760
is one of those things. I
don't know where you've got those words from

965
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,360
to put together, but together it's
somehow just very funny. The vocals again,

966
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,400
it's all very guttural, but they
even still like boarding Star Massacre,

967
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,599
forced from the pit, like there's
just little enunciation in certain moments, just

968
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,199
makes you fucking have a great time
with it, and it doesn't leave you

969
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:04,000
for like, you know, a
second longer than what you want from it.

970
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:09,079
Yeah, you know, it's not
big, it's not clever, but

971
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:12,760
it is fun. And I think
death metal, for all the imagery of

972
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,440
being as ugly and nasty as possible, ultimately it is fun, Like it's

973
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:21,960
fun to bounce arounds a scotful of
maggots. It's fun to bounce around when

974
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,280
the rift to Immortal Rights kicks in. That's worth exploring. And it's a

975
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,639
valid type of death metal and we
need more of it. Yeah, Torture

976
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,840
Rack please. Yeah. And considering
this is a bunch of like two and

977
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:42,159
a half minute songs that occasionally go
into one minute songs, I think that

978
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,880
the standard of the songwriting is just
very very good here, beyond the awful

979
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,119
of stuff that could be doing something
similar. I think, if you know,

980
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,360
if you love Cannibal Corps or maybe
Undeath or two Under Stab Wounds,

981
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,960
that that kind of thing you're looking
to go further into the death metal underground,

982
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,239
but in a way that still will
make sense to you and just delivers

983
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:01,079
you the kind of goods of like
big, hea bangable grooves above anything else.

984
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,320
I think this is one of the
best death metal records you will hear

985
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,679
this year. It's from a band
called Torture Rack and our second in this

986
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,480
death metal pairing. It gives you
something a little more cosmic than Torture Racs,

987
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,800
just bone cracking brutality from Relapse Records, This is Out of Heaven and

988
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,880
their second album, Infinite Psychic Depths. Debut album, Realms of Eternal Decay.

989
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,400
I Love death Metal came out in
twenty eighteen, so it's also been

990
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,920
a little minute for these guys.
And around that time, so you know,

991
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,400
the end of the last decade was
when we got this insane glove of

992
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,920
kind of old school death metal records
from bands like these. Again, we

993
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,960
can do the album Club on Star
Sporn, the sort of post that huge

994
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:44,360
boom in records like this, and
with that sort of cosmic being beamed in

995
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,280
through a kind of warp in spacetime
air to we had seen leaders light blooding

996
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,079
scantation and two Mold really stepping up
to kind of become that, you know,

997
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:54,199
forefront of the scene. Five years
later, a lot of the death

998
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:57,039
Mettle conversation has moved to things like, you know, Against Sangui, Sugabarg

999
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,639
and Frozen Soul and so on.
So I feel like it's been a it's

1000
01:05:59,679 --> 01:06:01,480
been a few years since we've had
any death metal from like the couple bands

1001
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:04,719
I just mentioned, So I was
I was almost waiting for something to kind

1002
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,639
of scratch that particular itch out of
Heaven again in terms of whether it was

1003
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,920
the previous record or this one lit
any kind of spark for you of the

1004
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,000
death metal fan. Yeah, I
don't know why, but Rolls of the

1005
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,880
Tunnel of Decay completely passed me by
when it came out. I don't even

1006
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,320
remember it being released and the time
we had a lot of it, And

1007
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,599
now I said, it's almost like
this is almost more of a like,

1008
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,639
oh cool, one of those yeah, because it came out around the time

1009
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,920
of like Man of Infinite Forms,
and I think the year later was Yeah

1010
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:35,079
and the classic my opinion, Blood
in Cantation record, and then for those

1011
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:39,840
years a lot of death metal was
really cerebral, so you kind of weren't.

1012
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,480
You didn't really have to seek it
out out of Heaven. I know

1013
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,960
they fall into that kind of camp
with their spacey cosmic five and they feel

1014
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:51,280
like more of the sort of healthy
middle ground between the maybe a bit dumber,

1015
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,719
caveman death metal and that really cerebral
thing. Well, I think this

1016
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,480
record is dense, right, and
like like the Torture Rap record sounds like

1017
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,519
it's just beating you into a pulp, but the riffs are all very immediate

1018
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:08,599
and very groovy. This record I
think demands a lot more of your attention

1019
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:11,719
span because it is a lot denser, particularly when you consider it's twenty minutes

1020
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,480
longer than that record, but it's
still on absolute kill mode all the time.

1021
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,559
Is the thing, like like Soul
Remnants is crazy aggressive, warp Transcendence

1022
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:21,639
has a riff in it that's just
got like a little piss grave in it

1023
01:07:21,639 --> 01:07:26,920
because it's got this really horrible,
like stomach churning buzz in it. But

1024
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,320
because there is this there's a really
technical edge while flying at you so constantly,

1025
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,079
you know, warp speed, it
means you have to kind of actively

1026
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,679
work with this one a little more, I think to keep up with it.

1027
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,239
Yeah, I feel like I'm not
really that much for a musician.

1028
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,920
I could probably play in Torture rac
I mean, I want to get that

1029
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,960
vibe, whereas here everyone involved is
clearly it's super talented composer and or player.

1030
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:53,000
But it never feels particularly nordly,
And I think it's because it sounds

1031
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,000
like a ton of fun. Like
my favorite thing about this record is the

1032
01:07:56,039 --> 01:08:00,480
shred, Like it's almost rings of
saturin level of fooding. At some points,

1033
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,920
it never feels like a kind of
bedroom projects. It's a sort of

1034
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,519
soloing that would make lasers come out
of the guitar in an eighties metal video,

1035
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,760
I mean, and just having that
as a flavor in this dense,

1036
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:18,279
complex, sidewinding death metal record I
think does a lot too, maybe overcome

1037
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:24,720
how obstus it can be. Yeah. Again, I didn't ask Sam what

1038
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,439
they thought these records, but I
would guess of the two death metal records,

1039
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,920
the torturet one would be their favorite
because it's so much one that kind

1040
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,880
of like punk sphere. This one
you mentioned, the laser thing. Unspeakable

1041
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:38,119
Aura has this like crazy like tapping
type riff that is genuinely like dizzying.

1042
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,720
And Derek Vella, who is the
riff writer extraordinaire from two Mold as well

1043
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,800
as Dream and Ending, he plays
bass on this record, and there are

1044
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,720
parts when the bass will go which
is full on like fucking ham Steve to

1045
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,159
Georgio style, you know, all
over the place, like Fragment and Suspension

1046
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,880
has a bit of that, even
though that track is again it's one of

1047
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,479
the most full on speed on the
record, but it has the basis you

1048
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,600
go and ape shit and like again, the first time I started really getting

1049
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,640
excited about this record was he posted
the video on his Instagram of him tracking

1050
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,439
the riff that turned out to be
the second part I presume the DMT part

1051
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,840
of Rotting Stone slash DMT, and
it's a really mad riff that transitions the

1052
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,640
back end there, and already just
from that video of him tracking the bass,

1053
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,560
I was like, Wow, that's
one of the coolest death riffs I've

1054
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,720
heard this year. But in the
kind of context of like these NonStop barrage

1055
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,159
of the songs, it's like a
little overwhelming, Like you've really got to

1056
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,439
be like, shit, okay,
stick with this, because the songs aren't

1057
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,359
long. They're almost exclusively three to
four minutes, so they're not wildly longer

1058
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,920
than any songs that Torture record other
than Fucked by Death, and some of

1059
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,199
them do lead into the hardcore at
least tempo wise, that you do get

1060
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:43,640
flashes of that, But with all
the twists, they kind of managed to

1061
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,399
feel longer. And I don't mean
that as a diss in the way that

1062
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,720
it tends to be. It was
like if Gate Creeper were just born on

1063
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:54,960
another planet. Yeah, exactly like
Torture. I have not seen a fretless

1064
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,239
bass in their life. I don't
know if they've ever seen a fully stringed

1065
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:05,520
basse. So yeah, like listening
to this again, mentioned this earlier,

1066
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,399
some of these in more cursory listens. I've gone through about two listen to

1067
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,880
this, and I think it's gonna
be a lot more before I kind of

1068
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,560
get all the way to the bottom
of it. Right now, I'm really

1069
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,560
impressed by it. I liked it
a lot more that not as I was

1070
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,640
expecting, but because I hadn't heard
the last record, I didn't going with

1071
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,000
too much expectation, but I was
really really taken with it. Yeah,

1072
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,479
I think they can still detonate just
a particular moment. I think, you

1073
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,760
know, two minute mark of Soul
Remnants, they just drop a riff on

1074
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,600
and it's like, okay, you
know, no need to decipher this one,

1075
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,039
it's time to move. They can
still do the similar kind of just

1076
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:42,720
morbid angel at loose moments like Liquefied
Mind is maybe the most dummy brain track

1077
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,880
on the record, and like halfway
through the record, it's like a real

1078
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,199
treat to get something like that,
but you know, the big beams of

1079
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:51,920
like, oh this is something different
from the rest kind of reset come from

1080
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:56,319
a really impressive cast of guest performers, particularly j R. Hayes, a

1081
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,920
Pig Destroyer comes in for a guest
vocal on the second track, pillars off,

1082
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,199
and it's quite something how the entire
track just changes tacked for him,

1083
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,319
Like the whole track changes. What
it feels like to just move into this

1084
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:14,199
like horrible dissonant sidestep part and his
like really acerbic yell just curdles your blood

1085
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:16,560
on that. Yeah, I couldn't
work out if they decided to get JR.

1086
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,640
Hayes and then wrote that once they
wrote that and then thought of jis.

1087
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:25,359
It's that level of adapting to the
to the guests they did. They

1088
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:27,520
did a cover's EP a couple of
years ago when they had a really cool

1089
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,560
selection of songs, and they did
Junkyard God from Prouder in the Yards.

1090
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,560
It's nice again, obviously an influence
there, but like it really is like,

1091
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,840
oh shit, fuck, we're in
big destroyer land for a moment.

1092
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:40,640
Palasite Chambers has Alex from Undeaf on
it, but then particularly as well,

1093
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,880
for a big moment, Star Crusher
has Steve Tucker from Morbid Angel, which

1094
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,359
also has some of those sort of
like steamroller rifts in it. But there's

1095
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:50,319
a moment where the song similarly,
it just like fully announces this like legendary

1096
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:55,439
guest vocalist by essentially turning into a
song from the last Morbid Angel record,

1097
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,079
when Steve just comes in roaring I
have come to Destroy, Like it's pretty

1098
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:03,520
epic. Again not, I'm kindly
of made sounds where bands have been so

1099
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,800
accommodating. Let's just be like,
oh, what band are you in?

1100
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,279
Oh we can be that band piece
more a angel for a bit. We've

1101
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:14,600
written a riff that sounds like Morbid
Angel. Let's just ring up Morbid Angels

1102
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,319
singer and getting more brilliant. And
I do like as well, there's a

1103
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:21,079
moment in an unspeakable aura when there's
just like this big, huge female choiet

1104
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,039
over it, and it's like get
almost like a release valve of like,

1105
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,279
oh cool, it's something to really
different to grab the attention. I think

1106
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:30,439
those go a long way on this
one, when it is again so dense

1107
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,079
and so tacky and everything. Again, I think compared to those sort of

1108
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,000
standard bearers of like the Spaceyer Death
Meut of bands out of Heaven, have

1109
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:40,800
this really crazy aggression to them that's
really all out an awful lot of the

1110
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,159
time, and in a way,
I think that almost limits them more because

1111
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:45,119
they aren't as dynamic here. You
mentioned this sort of being like a halfway

1112
01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:47,359
house, that they don't have the
really meditative moments that you know, a

1113
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:51,399
bland cantation or whoever do. And
I feel like this record will be better

1114
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:55,600
if it will thirty three minutes or
if it was forty six minutes still and

1115
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,720
had more sort of different turns.
But how they put their riffs and songs

1116
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,119
together there is really dizzying and sonically
overwhelming. They do nail some proper like

1117
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,840
whoa moments, and if you want
some death metal that requires more sort of

1118
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,760
like active listening to keep you on
your toes, there's a lot to unpack

1119
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,840
and to satisfy into outer heaven.
So the next couple of records are more

1120
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,680
in the realm of black metal,
will swing that pengrum to the other side

1121
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,560
of the extreme metal coin. And
I normally wouldn't put so much of that

1122
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,359
in an episode when you know,
our lead review was literally a black metal

1123
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:26,279
record, but these albums are actually
less Here for thought of the necro black

1124
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:30,800
metal spots and more the UK heavy
scene slots, because these two bands have

1125
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,760
become very common sights in the UK
metal scene of late and so we should

1126
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,439
probably check in on what they're up
to. Emblematic of that, I think

1127
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,840
our Caligram, who released a record
called Position Momentum, and they have been

1128
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,960
around for a few years, and
when you listen to them, like,

1129
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,680
yeah, that's a black metal band, but there is an edge about them

1130
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,640
that feels like they fit in just
as well with kind of the hardcore and

1131
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,279
just generally sort of crossing over UK
metal scenes of the moment where you could

1132
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:57,920
very easily imagine them slotting in alongside
people slicer employed to serve conjuror whoever.

1133
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:01,720
They're more damnation than they are like
beyond the gates, right, Yeah,

1134
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,000
for sure. I mean, just
listen to this. I kind of put

1135
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,039
them down as a black and hardcore
band because yeah, you're quite a both

1136
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:13,199
breaker some raw quel or celesque that
sort of thing, Like it's the emotionally

1137
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,079
waiting pummeling in the way the black
metal is. But again it's called the

1138
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:20,399
engine of an article ban. They
blur the line between dbats and blast beats

1139
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,880
quite a lot on this record.
I think that's something that you kind of

1140
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,720
gets, something you only get when
you when you blur those genres together.

1141
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:32,920
Yeah, certainly, I feel like
I feel like Caligrams are a black metal

1142
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,279
band, Like this isn't a black
and hardcore band. This is a black

1143
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:39,920
metal band, but it feels like
a black metal band comprised of people who

1144
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,039
have history playing in hardcore and punk
circles, if that makes sense, and

1145
01:14:43,079 --> 01:14:45,920
you can really really tell they feel
that they've been around in that scene for

1146
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,039
kind of a fair bit. But
their day Brown was only released in twenty

1147
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:51,079
twenty. That was called The Eye
is the First Circle. So this is

1148
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:55,640
a sophomore fullnth down from them after
I saw them live for the first time

1149
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,439
last year and they were unbelievably intense, like putting their records to shame a

1150
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,359
little bit, least in terms of
like how you alive Violet it was.

1151
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,520
If you get a chance to see
him at festival or something in the UK,

1152
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,000
which you probably will do, they're
very impressive, but their albums are

1153
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:11,720
also very good as arms of just
kind of modern extremity. Right. Oh,

1154
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,680
this is my first time listening to
them. I don't know how it

1155
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:15,279
passed me by. But right,
this is the first time I've gone through

1156
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,600
with a Caligram record. I've heard
bits and pieces along the way. I

1157
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,079
think I've had a song or two
off the last record. This is the

1158
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:27,000
first one I've sat down and digested
a record in full. Sure, Well,

1159
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,359
what do you make of it?
I really liked it. I think

1160
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:32,000
it's really good. Like like I
said, it's a band I've seen bandied

1161
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:36,199
about a lot, and it's not
something I've had sometimes made the efforts to

1162
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,880
go into my spare time. And
I kind of feel a bit silly about

1163
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:44,760
that, because while there is a
lot of those bands I was mentioning earlier

1164
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,720
in this record, I like that
they're willing to go into the brutal aspects

1165
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,840
more than a lot of those bands, rather than the ethereal end. And

1166
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:56,000
that's quite a refreshing change when it
feels like most of those bands they end

1167
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:01,960
up sort of just constantly leaning at
sigaros and explosions in the sky and thinking

1168
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,319
that's the only way to progress.
It's quite refreshing to listen to a bounderbid.

1169
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:08,880
Well, if we had Guss roles
and a real cruising low end.

1170
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,800
Yeah again, you mentioned those bands. The one that really jumps out to

1171
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,199
me in terms of the riffing and
everything is the Vein of Fry Heights.

1172
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,600
But you are right, it's like
the veg and of Fry Height with all

1173
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,159
of the pretty stuff they're exchanged for
more bitterness and hatred. Like the songs

1174
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:26,439
are just very turbo charged by negativity. Like there's just something about the combination

1175
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,680
of notes they have in their riffs
that just makes me feel like grimmers all

1176
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,079
fuck, and then they are able
to kind of bolster that with that again

1177
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:40,880
very trained in crust and grind engine
like Austrianinny is just skull rattlingly heavy.

1178
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:46,359
I think their songs just again they're
very based in like big whirlwinds of ferocious,

1179
01:16:46,399 --> 01:16:50,199
intense tremoro guitars, black metal riffs
propelled by musicians who again you can

1180
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,319
tell have a hardcore punk background.
It's just like in the sort of the

1181
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,800
NonStop way they kind of throw themselves
around and it is it's essentially like those

1182
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,159
two elements combine for most of the
runtime basically, but it definitely gets you

1183
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:05,840
moving. Yeah, And there are
some things that took me by surprise.

1184
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,600
That one of them was the lead
work kind of like out of Heaven.

1185
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,760
There was a bit of a slight
rock star quality to the lead guitars,

1186
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:15,279
and most bands in the style that
we're talking about, they often use their

1187
01:17:15,319 --> 01:17:18,439
lead guitars in a fairly static way, not all of them, but sometimes

1188
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,800
they're just holding a note before moving
to the next one, and sometimes that

1189
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,960
has real emotional power. But with
this one thing I liked about it is

1190
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,479
there are multiple times on the record, but the one that stood that was

1191
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,640
on tebe TV one or the other, and he probably gives it that like

1192
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,640
wow wow wow. Well, and
even just having little things like that,

1193
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:44,000
it increases the energy and for a
record day is pretty emotionally one note.

1194
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,199
Maybe having little dashes of color like
that, they kind of had a bit

1195
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:53,640
more clarity to the murk. I
think, Yeah, you mentioned I believe

1196
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,000
all of the lyrics are Italian because
the singer is originally from Italy, but

1197
01:17:57,319 --> 01:18:01,640
it is just actually a big blast
of bile vocal and most of the hooks

1198
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,640
come from Again, there's like NonStop
crazy black and guitar lines and stuff.

1199
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,319
It's produced by Russ Russell, who
is most synonymous with the like whole last

1200
01:18:10,359 --> 01:18:14,399
bunch of Napalm Death Records, So
it has this very you know, big

1201
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,439
hulking kind of sound despite how again
sort of necro it is, and again

1202
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:24,039
it just makes it sound very very
caustic. I maybe sim differently to you.

1203
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,039
I think the moments of light and
shade that they have maybe in sort

1204
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,159
of moderation, but like I think
they're very necessary on the record to stop

1205
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:35,640
it being like super one note.
And again it's those big moments where you

1206
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,640
go like, ah, yeah,
there really is there's something more here where

1207
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:45,279
tebe. When it had that really
moody kind of swell in the middle,

1208
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,039
I think like stuff like that,
they can it feels like they can get

1209
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:50,000
more out of that, and so
it was quite encouraging for me when the

1210
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,079
second half lent more into that,
because the closer has moremost like a post

1211
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:58,840
metal feel for the first couple of
minutes before this crazy like sort of black

1212
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,640
and thrash burst that's got loads of
power. And probably my favorite sort of

1213
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,399
section of the record is Austronennian Existeer, when they both like they do that

1214
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,560
thing of amping up the drama and
the guitars while flying on the dB.

1215
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,359
And I think this band, they're
often so tuned to grim. I guess

1216
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:15,640
I agree with you. I like
tool whether the Grim is like their kind

1217
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,920
of home base, and when they
add in a little more than that,

1218
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,239
it's like, oh cool, you
know, just that extra something for your

1219
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:26,680
record. Yeah, I think with
bands like this you kind of need to

1220
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,119
do that if you're going to stand
out, because it's a genre that because

1221
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:32,840
it perceives to be easy. There
are a lot of bands doing that sort

1222
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,760
of post black metal with tingers of
hardcore. There's a lot of that going

1223
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,279
on, and it is a great
sound, so you know, more power

1224
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:43,560
two of them. But I think
to really elevate above that, you need

1225
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,720
to find those moments of real dynamic
quality, because again, for a lot

1226
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,720
of the bands, it just seems
like they were if we go quiet for

1227
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,039
a bit and then loud, that
would be the same, even if emotionally

1228
01:19:55,039 --> 01:20:00,560
it's one level. I think just
having flashes of really flash the guitar with

1229
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,319
lots of my density, they're saying
those really moody swells, just stuff like

1230
01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:08,960
that. I think that I think
this is really strong. I don't suspect

1231
01:20:09,039 --> 01:20:13,199
it's the finished product. I think
I have every belief that the next time

1232
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,319
they'll go further down those avenues.
Yeah, I think I agree in terms

1233
01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:20,399
of, like when I mentioned those
sort of those UK bands that they sort

1234
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:25,159
of might sit alongside with as peers. I don't think this band have quite

1235
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:29,239
made their kind of sort of scene
classic yet in some of those maybe have.

1236
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:30,800
But again, just thinking about what
we're talking about, it's like,

1237
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,800
you know, we we've mentioned post
black metal, and we've mentioned sort of

1238
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:42,560
like hardcore punk, and they feel
like they are some of various influences that

1239
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,720
has made them quite sort of like
almost unpigeoned hooleable, despite how seemingly in

1240
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,800
one direction at all times. Their
sound is so interesting stuff going on there

1241
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,479
from a Caligram And the second band
here is one with a name that you

1242
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,800
probably want to write down, The
Sun's Journey through the Night. The album

1243
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,920
is called world Us and these guys
have been around for just a couple of

1244
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,079
years. They're a pretty fresh face, but if you've been going to black

1245
01:21:04,119 --> 01:21:06,319
metal shows in the UK, you
may well have seen these guys or their

1246
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:12,199
name. Having said that earlier,
that kind of a three albums from newtoy

1247
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:15,680
Man might be the most That's actually
a lie because despite only being around for

1248
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,279
like two years. This is the
fourth one from this lot. It's a

1249
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:23,640
very productive project and there are I
guess there's a few kind of newer black

1250
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:29,159
metal bands kicking around the UK.
Bands like Abduction and Spider God, who

1251
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:31,439
we've reviewed before. Sons Journy,
throm and Night sort of fit in with

1252
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,000
with that sort of school of bands
that have entered again in the early part

1253
01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:39,960
of the twenty twenties. This one
actually comes from Church Road Record. I

1254
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,560
believe that they'll be playing on the
Church Road stage at this year's Downation Festival

1255
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,600
Insteadily, I like that Church Road
doesn't seem to have any particular genre base

1256
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,399
compared to like, you know,
the label that sort of filled that gap

1257
01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:54,199
in the market before Church Road.
There's not like a particular association of what

1258
01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:59,079
makes a Church Road band. No, it just seems that anything that you

1259
01:21:59,119 --> 01:22:02,640
know, Sammy and just see like
yeah and beyond the label, Well yeah,

1260
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,000
I think that was cool because again, very wide reaching taste in metal

1261
01:22:05,039 --> 01:22:09,039
and hardcore and the light so you
will have like like we reviewed this and

1262
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:13,000
going Off and owns and that they're
all in the same, you know,

1263
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:15,720
quite small label. I think that's
cool, and this is maybe the most

1264
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,920
like sort of like, oh,
you're really going into kind of black metal

1265
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:23,920
territory over there, which I think
is again an interesting sort of move to

1266
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,960
be making this record. You've got
six tracks here, normally around sort of

1267
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,720
six or eight minutes long. Often
you'll have a bit of atmosphere ramp up.

1268
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,640
The one at the start of void
Walker with the kind of sinister acoustics

1269
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:38,479
is particularly cool, and then all
hell will break close. Particularly, this

1270
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:43,479
is how I think it's very thick
for what you might normally think this black

1271
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,039
metal to be considering this. I
once saw this band support Lamp of Murmur,

1272
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:50,159
right, even though he's started in
some kind of similar places. This

1273
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:55,079
is little to do sonically with that
really raw side of what's currently popular in

1274
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:58,800
black metal, because it's really it
plays a similar kind of music, but

1275
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,479
it's very very girth like the tuning
is often very low for what you think

1276
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,600
of as black metal. There's a
riff in the final moment of Abolishing Consciousness

1277
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,119
that is this really thick, bendy
riff that you might expect more to you

1278
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,640
on, like you know, kind
of a sludgier band on that label.

1279
01:23:14,079 --> 01:23:15,800
Yeah, see, this is this
is where he comes from. Maybe my

1280
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:20,079
issue with this record. So for
phone transparency, I've only listened to this

1281
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:26,720
twice, and I was someone who
allows someone who really likes Eternal Black Transmissions.

1282
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,960
That was one of my favorite albums
of the year that came out.

1283
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,560
It felt like a kind of rule. Is that one of those band's prior

1284
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,720
records? Yeah? Yeah, all
right, Okay, so you're actually this

1285
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,119
is the first again I saw this
band live as the first proper record IVE

1286
01:23:36,119 --> 01:23:38,920
listened to, so you actually have
more experience than me in that regard.

1287
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:42,359
All right, right, yeah,
so again you described a perfectly kind of

1288
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:46,039
a raw black metal project that's somehow
graduated beyond the confines that scene. Like

1289
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:51,119
the sound of that record, I
mean, is it more dingy? I

1290
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:56,800
mean it is, but it also
sounds like you're looking at a burning castle

1291
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,720
that you have to go in a
vanquage and you're still on a hill looking

1292
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,479
down on it in the moonlight.
So yeah, it is dingier, but

1293
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,520
it's got a lot of scope within
that dinge, if that makes sense.

1294
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:14,239
Yeah, this record, if it
was a little bit too clinical for me,

1295
01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:19,640
But that production style I find it
slightly too studio builts and I know

1296
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:27,239
one man blackmail projects you know,
I'm used to hearing cheap electronic drums and

1297
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:32,000
dungeon sins on cassio keyboards and that
sort of thing, and there's something about

1298
01:24:32,039 --> 01:24:34,760
this that doesn't quite sit with me. I don't know if it's just because

1299
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:40,279
I projected expectations onto this record or
what, and maybe it will grow on

1300
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:45,920
me, but it slightly irked me
throughout. I think production wise, I

1301
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:50,880
still think like there is even though
again it's it's going for that kind of

1302
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:57,880
thicker, more sort of contemporary I
guess sound. I think there's still like

1303
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,520
the mixing and mastering and stuff on
this record. I think they're still work

1304
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:04,439
to be done in terms of every
instrument on this feels like it's cranked to

1305
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:09,960
ten, and it's kind of a
real fight for anyone to kind of anyone

1306
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:13,239
element to kind of particularly surface.
I think again, even though the Outer

1307
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:15,199
Heaven and the Caligram records are similarly
fiery, I think this is the most

1308
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:18,079
ear fatigue record that we have where
I listened to a couple of songs and

1309
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,920
we're like, yeah, cool,
that's that huge blast of kind of infernal

1310
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:26,239
black metal. It's sort of tick
that off in that regard, and I

1311
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:31,800
wonder whether again, I think it's
approaching that in terms of the the Again,

1312
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,960
the mixing of the mastering is one
thing, but also if they're able

1313
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:39,239
to add in a couple more trick
to their bow, that might really sort

1314
01:25:39,279 --> 01:25:43,720
of move it forward as well.
Yeah, I don't think it's healthy to

1315
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,439
hear every single double bass hit in
this style of music. Like they kind

1316
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:53,720
of sit in that uncanny valley where
it's not as perfectly recorded as its perfectly

1317
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:58,439
recorded some of the blockbuster bands,
but it's also not as tangible or charming

1318
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,399
as some of the Low five.
And it's a weird quibble it's sitting in

1319
01:26:02,399 --> 01:26:08,880
that sort of uncanny valley. It
kind of bothered me. I like I'm

1320
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:13,399
saying, everything being cranked at ten, it feels like not much atmosphere is

1321
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,800
allowed to develop. Now again,
I had some similar feelings myself, and

1322
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,359
I can certainly understand why that might
be a kind of a turn off from

1323
01:26:21,359 --> 01:26:26,560
the record. I do think,
just looking in terms of the composition themselves,

1324
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,279
I think the title track is quite
stirring to begin with and then gets

1325
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:32,439
really like warlike with its blast,
and again I like they kind of when

1326
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,800
they flipped and the kind of you
know, balance those ideas of just like

1327
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:41,920
it's super fucking aggressive, but also
like songs that are almost blasting for like

1328
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,000
their entire seven minute run time past
a sort of acoustic intro or something,

1329
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:48,000
but they're trying to find kind of
ebbs and flows on top of that.

1330
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,720
In terms of like again when they
get core progressions, I have a grander

1331
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:57,000
sense of emotion in them, Like
Void Walker and Flood of Flames are both

1332
01:26:57,039 --> 01:26:59,800
the big ones there. I think
they really go they kind of lay into

1333
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,399
that throughout the run time and they
make that the kind of constant through line.

1334
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,359
I think that works for them,
and I think that is something that

1335
01:27:03,399 --> 01:27:09,560
if they can keep extrapolating that idea
into kind of more and more dramatic shape

1336
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,920
to really really feel that you know, ebb and flow across that thing,

1337
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:15,319
I think that would be the most
obvious way to me of kind of pushing

1338
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:18,439
this beyond the kind of meat and
potatoes of it. Because again, there's

1339
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:24,399
a song on a Ryan at the
end that has this sort of subtle symphonic

1340
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,199
style build into the big final crescendo
you know the record, and again it

1341
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:30,520
is like it's you know, it's
working on the budget that it has,

1342
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,359
but in terms of like a moment
like, oh, where's it going to

1343
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:34,800
go? And then erupting, that's
when it starts to go like, yeah,

1344
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,199
that's where it starts to sound quite
serious. Yeah. I mean,

1345
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:43,000
on one how I do admire the
ambition of this record, like wanting to

1346
01:27:43,039 --> 01:27:46,239
step up into the more blogbuster style, and there's things about it I think

1347
01:27:46,279 --> 01:27:49,800
really work that weren't there on the
previous records, like the way the album

1348
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:55,840
opens with that synthy warbling, so
it's almost like when the orchestra tunes up

1349
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,960
at the theater. Yeah, that
real sense of ground and then that to

1350
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,479
be punctured by any sub drop gut
punches. That to me was the first

1351
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:08,680
moment of real surprise and the last
track of Ryan I agree, it's fantastic

1352
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,199
to me. Songwriting wise, it's
one of the best songs they've done,

1353
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:15,680
so the most emotive riffwork, really
pained vocal delivery, and I think if

1354
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,000
they could go further down that road, pulling on that sort of emotional through

1355
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:26,359
line and maybe go for something a
bit more human in the performance, I

1356
01:28:26,399 --> 01:28:29,640
think they can find a really cool
balance between where they are now and where

1357
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,479
they've been before. Yeah, I
agree, because I think as it is,

1358
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,439
that's kind of almost both the Blessing
and the Curse, where it's not

1359
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:41,079
too slow burn or atmospheric, like
it's certainly not what you would call black

1360
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:45,079
Gays or post black Mattal or anything, but it's also has a kind of

1361
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:47,600
grand scope to what they're doing with
the songs, and it's not too raw

1362
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,000
or too primitive. It kind of
is just like a big or consuming blast

1363
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:57,680
of extremity. And I agree if
they can iron out that sort of making

1364
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,680
that land a little better, I
think that's when that will start to sort

1365
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:02,920
of reap rewards with them. I
mean, I think this is the first

1366
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,399
one that the main guy has written
together with his live band, and so

1367
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:11,279
I think if they can continue sort
of again different voices and contributions within the

1368
01:29:11,319 --> 01:29:14,680
sound to kind of stop it getting
stale, I think that, you know,

1369
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:17,000
potentially could see some rewards. And
I do just like how sort of

1370
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,920
destructively heavy it is where the drums
on it just like carpet bomb you with

1371
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:28,439
so many fills, and again it's
it's almost it's a strange experience hearing like

1372
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,159
that black metal just howl it has
it feels like like I wouldn't be surprised

1373
01:29:33,159 --> 01:29:35,800
to hear that some of his favorite
artists are things like Leviathan and such,

1374
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,680
where as like kind of reverberating horror
of that kind of raw, you know,

1375
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:44,479
DSBM type thing, but it's in
this like quite thick sound that makes

1376
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,399
it sound like this sort of huge
vortex. That's kind of an interesting dichotomy

1377
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,000
that they can kind of keep getting
more out of. So that is the

1378
01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:53,439
Sun's Journey through the Night for the
last reviews. Now we are going to

1379
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:57,119
completely change tact, which is very
refreshing if you want to hear us stop

1380
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,239
talking about you know, screamy heavy
stuff. This is a band that I

1381
01:30:00,279 --> 01:30:04,319
have seen no talk about at all. So if people haven't heard it or

1382
01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:09,479
aren't aware of its existence, I
hope you enjoyed this. Temple of Angels

1383
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,000
is their name, and this is
their debut album, Endless Pursuit. I

1384
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:17,800
found this band in quite literally the
most analog way possible, where an outbreak

1385
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,560
festival, as you will know if
you watched the last final tap video on

1386
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,520
the That's Time at Old YouTube.
I bought a couple of records from the

1387
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,159
Run for Cover stall that they had
there and in with those records. They

1388
01:30:28,199 --> 01:30:31,399
gave you a seven inch label sampler
of some of the singles that they had

1389
01:30:31,399 --> 01:30:33,520
coming out. That there's that new
fiddle Head track that's just come out that

1390
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,359
was on there. You all know
them with a Face, Springs Eternal that

1391
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:41,359
named in around a while. But
then this other song comes on and even

1392
01:30:41,359 --> 01:30:43,640
though I just bought some records from
them, I'm not someone who, like,

1393
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,199
you know, everything on Run for
Cover Records is going to immediately light

1394
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,640
my fire, you know, in
terms of what I go, I go

1395
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,760
for. But this song comes on
and I go, that is a bit

1396
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,119
of me. These guys are from
Austin. They're from the kind of I

1397
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,720
guess, the same circle of bands
that's produced like narrow Head and the like.

1398
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:02,359
But I feel like this is an
album to unite turnover fans and drab

1399
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:06,079
majesty fans, you know what I
mean? Yes, he like, I've

1400
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:11,079
never had this fan for this week. And when I looked them up for

1401
01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:14,600
his gothic and post punk came up
a fair bit and I thought, parents,

1402
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,359
that's it again, Yes, but
they did. It's not. It's

1403
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,760
not really that at all. This
This doesn't sound again. We like we

1404
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,960
review the Noughts record earlier here,
which I think it's very very good.

1405
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:26,520
That's a very fine, indeed you
know, gothlic style postpunk record. It

1406
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,920
doesn't sound like that. No,
this is this is what's weird like to

1407
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:34,920
me. This is pure dream pop
but with a gothic edge. I think,

1408
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:40,479
yeah, it's you know, I
was. I was really pleased to

1409
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:44,319
hear that in a band, because
again, alternative rock with big dream pop

1410
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:47,199
or shoegaze leanings is like the furthest
thing from you, right, But if

1411
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:50,239
you take someone like Narrowhead, for
example, there's that hum influence. It's

1412
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:55,039
like all the rage at the moment. This is like what one of those

1413
01:31:55,119 --> 01:31:59,000
dream pop kind of emo bands would
sound like if instead of that they leaned

1414
01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:03,399
way way harder on post punk and
like four ad gothic rock and such.

1415
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:08,399
It's you know, full of the
Cocteau Twins and the Cure and bits of

1416
01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:10,880
the Comedians and stuff. Like the
album cover even looks like an early Cocktau

1417
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,039
Twins cover all kind of icy gothic
mood. And hearing those things brought together

1418
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:17,600
on this debut album, I mean, I think this is one of the

1419
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,479
best sounding records to come from this
kind of school of alternative rock bands in

1420
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,079
a little while, because it's got
that will yet mastering job, but it's

1421
01:32:25,079 --> 01:32:30,079
imbued with this like seductive, swirling
abyss of an atmosphere that the more sort

1422
01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:32,520
of I guess, you know,
sort of humble band in a room tight

1423
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,600
axe don't quite have like I mean, yeah, we're doing kind of you

1424
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:40,520
know, some formative, dreamy alt
rock stuff that's coming week on the album

1425
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,159
Club. So you know, how
did this land? Yeah? I mean

1426
01:32:44,279 --> 01:32:47,600
this was such a pleasant surprise,
like, isn't it. It was just

1427
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:53,119
like again, I'd listened to this
after I've been listening to Torture Rack and

1428
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:56,840
Out of Heaven and all of that
stuff, and I really enjoyed all of

1429
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,000
those You've already heard that, but
I wasn't really move for postpunk. And

1430
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,880
then when this came on and it
was that sweeping, shimmering, beautiful dream

1431
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,000
pop done to such a great stand. Let you say, Cocteau, Twins,

1432
01:33:09,039 --> 01:33:12,239
Echo and the Bunny Man, the
Cure, Bak Bush, even some

1433
01:33:12,279 --> 01:33:16,159
of the National at their populist it's
just like air candy. Yeah, I

1434
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,439
think it almost again. I heard
singles first, but if you're the press

1435
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,039
play on this record, it almost
would fool you where the opening title track

1436
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,399
is just all that like lush,
dark dreaminess, and that might just set

1437
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:31,079
you into kind of you know,
okay, close your eyes, drift away,

1438
01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:34,439
this is going to be a vibe
record. But it was so encouraging

1439
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:38,920
that they can actually really pen a
great standout song as well, because Tangled

1440
01:33:39,039 --> 01:33:44,000
Enjoy when it comes in is like
genuinely one of the best singles I've heard

1441
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,720
from a band like this in years, Like that main guitar riff, which

1442
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,880
twinkles with all the bliss and the
playfulness of like an upbeat Cure single.

1443
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,760
I just love that, like it
lights up the room when it starts.

1444
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,000
I mean, I'll go one further
than the Cure that reminded me of two

1445
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:04,159
is for Fears. I'll take it
the way that when Everybody wants to Rule

1446
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:06,520
the World comes on And you might
not going me on this, but when

1447
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,239
that comes on, you just feel
like everything in the world is okay.

1448
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:14,880
It's a It's an assuring song,
isn't it. Yeah, Tangle Enjoy has

1449
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,119
that quality. Would Enjoy It's perfect. It was just like, oh,

1450
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:21,199
this is just like it's a warm
blanket and a Cold Shower at the same

1451
01:34:21,239 --> 01:34:28,479
time, it's just it was beautiful
and it's funny they're being lumped in with

1452
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,960
post punk because so many of those
bands like going around at the minute,

1453
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,159
even the ones they like, they
have such stark aesthetics, and there's nothing

1454
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:41,600
particularly stark about Temple of Angels.
It's like a warm hug. Yeah,

1455
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:45,960
now again, this is this is
absolutely a I don't think the post punk

1456
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,239
things should be downplayed too much because
I think it's what makes them different to

1457
01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:50,760
an awful lot of stuff that's been
again on Run for Cover or something in

1458
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,319
the like. But it is a
again, a sort of you know,

1459
01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:00,399
shoegazy dream pop stile alternative rock band
who are taking a lot of pointers from

1460
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,439
that like post punk and you know, nineteen eighties gothic rock in a way

1461
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,720
that not many of their peers do. And it makes for some really magic

1462
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:12,359
results where love spins around that is
quite cure in terms of like the little

1463
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,359
Chord ramp up at the start,
like it almost could be the start fucking

1464
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:18,880
Boys Don't Cry or something does the
Dan and then it's off. You've got

1465
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:24,319
weirdly kind of dancing songs like Stay
and the Little Dream pop guitar lines they're

1466
01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:26,720
coming out with. I think when
they're imbued with that little bit of like

1467
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,520
heavier dark atmosphere, like you'll get
like lost in darkness and stuff, I

1468
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,479
think it anchors them in something that
doesn't always have when it's just pure brightness.

1469
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:39,319
It feels like they're really purposed.
Yeah, I mean it's all about

1470
01:35:39,359 --> 01:35:42,319
some of the dream pop bands or
the rock bands of the do dream popmail

1471
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,319
That last turnover record putting on it
sounds nice, there's something slightly frivolous about

1472
01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:51,920
it. It felt slightly undercooked,
whereas this it's like it's clearly they've written

1473
01:35:51,920 --> 01:36:00,479
the song and then built this lovely
instrumentation arrangement around it it and it just

1474
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,720
again, it's nice to have a
band in this scene who aren't afraid to

1475
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:09,479
be really really uplifting, and they
do have down a moments. There's a

1476
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,840
one two three of A when the
Shadow Smalls Back, Torment and Secret Place,

1477
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:17,479
which are definitely the more downbit downbeat
section of the record, but the

1478
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:25,920
opening run and the closing salvo are
really sincere, earnest and danceable. Yeah.

1479
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:28,159
I've been listening to a lot of
high Viz after outbreak as well,

1480
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,319
So I've been on that kind of
sort of like eighties slash early nineties British

1481
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:33,159
alternative sort of thing, and a
riff like the hill On Here has a

1482
01:36:33,159 --> 01:36:36,680
lot of that same kind of feeling. The singer as well, really really

1483
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:41,560
rich sounding voice and the vocal lines
that she's coming out with a like tang

1484
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,239
would enjoy. Again, they really
dance around the ear so naturally, and

1485
01:36:45,319 --> 01:36:47,680
you know you mentioned Secret Place,
there's that kind of that sort of you

1486
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,520
know, oscillating kind of repetition in
the vocal part that just kind of floats

1487
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:58,680
it into your ear really really well. They really when they're in that kind

1488
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:03,880
of downcast area, there's still that
element of beauty but also capturing us in

1489
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:09,359
the in the vocal Waving to the
Wind was the song that I first heard,

1490
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:13,640
and that is undeniably that's a full
on post punk dance floor thing,

1491
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:15,319
and that's again you could really see
how that would stick out on the Run

1492
01:37:15,359 --> 01:37:18,840
for Cover Roster because it's pure eighties. But it's also like the one point

1493
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,520
on the record when they do a
drumbeat that really sounds like that and they

1494
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:26,920
top it with their own kind of
style of melody. So well, they

1495
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,760
don't just suddenly start going through a
little I am in a post punk band,

1496
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,640
like you know, it's they do
their own thing with it. Yeah,

1497
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:39,039
I mean there's certain post punk singers
or eighties jangle pop associated singers who

1498
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,439
there seems to be like there's less
than a dozen, and you have to

1499
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,279
choose which one you're gonna be,
Like, so, do you want to

1500
01:37:45,319 --> 01:37:46,479
be Robert Smith, you want to
be Andrew Eldrich, Do you want to

1501
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,600
be Ian Curses, et cetera,
et cetera. And it's nice to have

1502
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:56,600
someone who's like, now I'm going
to be Kate Bush, like that sort

1503
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:04,000
of really swelling, beautiful vocal tone. I just small details like that I

1504
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:09,159
think makes such a difference. I
think the songs are great anyway, but

1505
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,119
like you say, it never,
even when it goes dour, it never

1506
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:16,159
feels kind of try hard. Yeah, I mean, this might refuse something

1507
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,680
that you've just said. But there's
also there's a couple of tracks where one

1508
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:24,960
of the guys in the van starts
singing and love spins around is a big

1509
01:38:25,279 --> 01:38:28,199
example of that. And I think
he does how quite a sort of Morrissey

1510
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,399
tone to his voice. But genuinely
he's got one of the best voices I've

1511
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:34,720
heard in this lane in a while
as well, Like it's not just like,

1512
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,680
oh, we'll let the blokes sing
for this one, and he comes

1513
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,960
and you know, it's not rubbish, Like it's another of like the best

1514
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,800
songs on the record, and it
sounds so great. And then they again

1515
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,119
they introduced him early there, and
then in further into the record they start

1516
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:50,159
kind of duetting with each other one
time when the shadow smiles back and again

1517
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:55,159
combined with the guitar lines, there's
there's a such a strong sense of like

1518
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,840
both songwriting and atmosphere together on this
when how he bounds only get one of

1519
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,840
those right, Like, yeah,
this is a record that you're really going

1520
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,399
to get lost income autumn time.
But it's for the melodies as much as

1521
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:09,880
it is the kind of sonic,
you know, kind of job on it.

1522
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:13,439
And I think that's very, very
encouraging. I'm really glad you mentioned

1523
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:16,359
Morrissey actually, because I know he's
even outside of his character just as purely

1524
01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:21,039
as a singer, he's quite a
divisive one, and even as someone who

1525
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:27,119
likes his voice, people who try
and emulate it. Ninety nine times out

1526
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:30,880
of a hundred. It's just it
makes your shoulders a with the second hand

1527
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,119
embarrassment. It's it's a really tough
thing to get wrong. Oh yeah,

1528
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:39,520
he doesn't sound like he's doing an
impression. It generally sounds like, um,

1529
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,279
it's a very unforced record. I
think, No, that's that's exactly

1530
01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:47,039
I'm going to say, Like he
he's clearly taking notes from the Smiths,

1531
01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:51,560
but it's still his voice. But
he's not giving God, he's not He's

1532
01:39:51,560 --> 01:40:00,319
not given it that But that's all
Residents that Morrissey has carrying that through and

1533
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:04,359
playing as a really nice yin and
yang to those female volks, like compared

1534
01:40:04,399 --> 01:40:09,640
to Kate Bush. I mean,
we're basically just listing all the great British

1535
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:13,560
like new wave dream pop artists to
the eighties, and it does feel like

1536
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:17,960
a kind of montage of those things. Yeah, I think maybe if you

1537
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:23,439
miss what bands like Turnover or Hoever
sort of used to do but with like

1538
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:28,119
a really beautiful kind of gothic atmosphere
and you know, tone of its own,

1539
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,760
you should definitely check out this Temple
of Angels record. I mean,

1540
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,439
again, I don't get super excited
by stuff from this world that often,

1541
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,640
but this is the most one has
felt like it's aimed at me in quite

1542
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,880
a lot of Like Jena, like
we spoke about all those extreme records before,

1543
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:41,680
this is one of my favorite records
of this episode. I think this

1544
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,600
record was very very good, indeed
from a band I just hadn't heard of

1545
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:45,880
prior to about two weeks ago.
You know, I've seen, you know,

1546
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,640
the least talk about of any of
the bands we're talking about in this

1547
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:51,319
episode. That might be the circle
I'm in, but like, I really

1548
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:54,640
think people should get on this one. So that is Temple of Angels,

1549
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,600
Endless Pursuit. And the last album
is where you can really take the reins

1550
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,520
Elliot because we were talking about Home
Is Where and their album The Whaler.

1551
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,079
Home Is Where are an emo band, proper emo as well. We are

1552
01:41:05,079 --> 01:41:08,720
talking full, you know, Midwest
style, even though they're from Florida,

1553
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:15,000
very sort of militant and self styling
themselves as fifth wave emo. But this

1554
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:19,439
record I don't wholly know what they're
kind of counting as like albums versus EPs,

1555
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:21,880
because this looks like it's their first
thing that's going over like half an

1556
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:26,520
hour long. This is an epic
for them. But Elliott, you joined

1557
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,560
us here in twenty twenty two.
You've said a couple times that home is

1558
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,560
Where's twenty twenty one release, the
eighteen minute I Became Birds was your favorite

1559
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,880
release of that year? Yeah,
I mean in a year with Glow On,

1560
01:41:36,079 --> 01:41:40,600
Hey What and all sorts of other
things that I consider among the best

1561
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,840
records of the decade, I Became
Birds was for me the standout release of

1562
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,319
the year. It's the only time
that I can remember, at least when

1563
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:50,960
an EP has topped my arms the
year list, and for me it was

1564
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,119
such a breath of fresh air.
For a breath of fresh air, because

1565
01:41:56,039 --> 01:42:01,560
in a genre of music where I
can love it seldom do it was just

1566
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:06,960
nice to have a record where all
the problems I've expressed about contemporary emo were

1567
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:12,119
just totally remedied and reversed in that
eighteen minute package. Like it had a

1568
01:42:12,199 --> 01:42:16,680
unique inventive instrumentation, The vocals were
expressive about ever feeling performative or like they

1569
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:21,119
were just tugging on your shirt.
The lyrics didn't fall into cliches, and

1570
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:28,720
the songs could go from sounding like
Modest Mouse to Blood Brothers, And somehow

1571
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,479
I didn't even know they were coming
out with another record, like someone just

1572
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,720
pops it in the TNM discord just
went oh, hope As won't have a

1573
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:39,199
new record, and I've mentioned them
already, were like imagine if someone just

1574
01:42:39,239 --> 01:42:42,000
went in and said, oh,
hey, guys, unto others, strops

1575
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,840
a new record and you didn't know
about it. I just sort of baffling

1576
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,800
and thrilling. So immediately I went
from not knowing they were going to release

1577
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:53,880
anything new to having the record in
my lap. And I've listened to it

1578
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,399
loads, and I be honest,
on the first even I listened to it,

1579
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,640
I really wasn't sure. Is actually
that level of kind of you know,

1580
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,039
obviously you've you've built up so much
around the previous one that the first

1581
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:08,119
time you hear the one afterwards like
all is it the same? Yeah?

1582
01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:12,159
I mean nothing can be the breath
of fresh air again. Not really,

1583
01:43:12,199 --> 01:43:15,920
not at least not in the same
way. And it's a hard bar to

1584
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,239
clear in that sense, but that
with this record, first time I listened

1585
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:24,880
to it, it felt a lot
more like the Emo records that have made

1586
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:29,560
me roll my eyes and become disenfranchised
than what they've done before, and more

1587
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,880
like a record that another band could
put out a Brandon's vocals will always set

1588
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:39,399
them apart. That southern rule like
it makes a massive difference. But a

1589
01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:43,439
lot of the instrumental quirks I thought
was so great about I Became Birds was

1590
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,960
at least seemingly gone, and a
lot of the vocal lines seemed closer to

1591
01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:51,079
what you might hear on a recent
one Dyear's record. And you say that

1592
01:43:51,359 --> 01:43:55,880
Midwest like traditional emo. For me, one of the things I loved about

1593
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:58,840
them so much was their southern quality. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1594
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:01,039
I mean again you mentioned performative.
There are parts on this record where I

1595
01:44:01,079 --> 01:44:04,800
wasn't quite sure if it was like
a character or not. There are like

1596
01:44:05,039 --> 01:44:09,039
a couple of songs when all of
a sudden it's full on, like oh

1597
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:11,239
hey, how would he part none? It's like you didn't sound like this

1598
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:14,279
before it. There was one of
the songs and the note I've written is

1599
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,760
finding me Fine? Which know that
is so does it? They Turn A

1600
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,920
five hundred has like a seventies southern
soft rock feel, and I mean it's

1601
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,680
like the get up kids become the
whole down kids for one song, Like

1602
01:44:28,079 --> 01:44:32,520
it's like country radio. And so
there is that moment, but broadly speaking,

1603
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,319
there were long stretches where it felt
like that southern quality had kind of

1604
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:40,399
emigrated to the Midwest, and I
was slightly demoralized because it was like,

1605
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,920
this is the band that I saw
was the great White hopes for my enjoyment

1606
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,720
of this style of music, because
so many of them have either disappeared or

1607
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,119
gone too things I don't like or
haven't. I even just like the last

1608
01:44:49,159 --> 01:44:53,680
record of some of them, and
suddenly it's sounded more like the bands I

1609
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:57,479
wasn't so keen on. But going
back to it again and again, this

1610
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,880
record has grown on me substantially.
Yeah. So, I mean my perspective

1611
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:03,520
is very different. I don't really
listen to this kind of music, right,

1612
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:08,800
Um, and uh, you know
I certainly I wasn't. I wasn't

1613
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:13,680
you know. Therefore I became birds
in the same way I put this on

1614
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,600
and you were like, oh,
the instermental quirks were gone. I wasn't

1615
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,119
quite prepared for how weird a lot
this was going to be. Like,

1616
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:27,039
I wasn't expecting that bizarre fucking like
country rock Daytonah, you know kind of

1617
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:31,079
quirk that they'd go for. Um, I wasn't expecting weird little earworms of

1618
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:34,079
skin meadow, skin meadow, skin
meadow, and then there's like a theremin

1619
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:40,760
in skin meadow, like bizarre fucking
elements being put in, and you're saying,

1620
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,880
this is less weird. Well,
that was the thing. I think

1621
01:45:43,319 --> 01:45:47,600
now having sort of separated it from
I became birds, It's not less weird.

1622
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:53,239
It's just that I've seen the trick
before, right, So for me

1623
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,199
it was just a of having heard
some of these things done before. They're

1624
01:45:57,239 --> 01:46:00,039
listening to this. I was like, Oh, it fucking sounds like pissing

1625
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,880
dashboard confessional. This doesn't sound like
dashboard confessional because I can tolerate it.

1626
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:10,520
Um, I don't especially love it, right, Like again, it's not

1627
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,640
not really, it's not it's not
my thing. Um. It's you know,

1628
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:18,920
jangly emo with sort of little nudely
melodic guitar parts. Um. Again,

1629
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:23,319
it's produced by Jack Shirley of Oath
Breaking, Death, Heaven Fame.

1630
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,880
But it still feels very intimate and
live in the room Like it doesn't.

1631
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,960
There's a lot of layers kind of
place between you in the performances. Um.

1632
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,119
In regards to I guess what you
were saying about the kind of almost

1633
01:46:32,119 --> 01:46:36,439
like if I became birds as like
a sort of concentrated, like very very

1634
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:41,199
like you know, dense of all
those things that really stood out to you.

1635
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,199
Um, Like I said, this
is their longest you know kind of

1636
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:49,920
thing. And there's there's something with
a concept going on ah in this record

1637
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:55,000
apparently. Um but I guess in
terms of stretching it over, I mean

1638
01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:57,800
the first two tracks one There's are
both over five minutes each, which again

1639
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,760
for where the spanis come from,
very much pushing the boat out right.

1640
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,159
Yeah, I mean, and the
way you've already mentioned skin metal. But

1641
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:09,199
there's a lot of interesting stuff in
those songs, like that hook is wild,

1642
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:12,640
leepad Pupils. The way that starts, it's like that these waterfalls of

1643
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:16,359
trickling guitar and piano wins to play
and the rhythms shift in a slightly uncomfortable

1644
01:47:16,399 --> 01:47:19,560
way. It never feels gets trying
to be clever, but the song almost

1645
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:24,800
feels like it's calcifying before your very
eyes. And yeah, that's my favorite

1646
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:28,159
tracks on the record. I liked
again. Clar is my first real musical

1647
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,520
exposes as this band when the western
slide guitar comes in that on what otherwise

1648
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,159
feels like a kind of quite classic
nineties emo thing. But then there's this

1649
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:36,720
false light guitar part. I was
like, oh, you know color,

1650
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,439
and then by the end of that
song it's just shrieking at you, even

1651
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:43,560
though the beginning was so going to
tranquil. Yeah, and like that trick

1652
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:47,880
is it's funny, like there's probably
emo and post hardcore bands you can look

1653
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,800
to that might see more direct,
but for me, the big englorm was

1654
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:55,720
on them that I hear is Modest
Mouse, who are one of my favorite

1655
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:59,600
bands. I never listened to a
Modest Mount out of my life. Oh,

1656
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:01,439
actually, don't know if that's that's
all surprising at tall. I don't

1657
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:06,760
know why man in an iron monkey
shirt. Yeah, but they could go

1658
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:15,920
from sort of deranged screeching to Beck
style slow slow stuff and slow core in

1659
01:48:15,039 --> 01:48:19,720
points and then straight up Indian And
they've got quite famous bops like float On,

1660
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:24,319
which I'm not that crazy about,
but anyway, there's multiple songs on

1661
01:48:24,359 --> 01:48:27,960
it that could snugly fit on one
of the first Modest Mouse records, like

1662
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,840
Wailing for Sport, just the sound
of the harmonicas with that post rock base.

1663
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:36,520
It's one of my favorite timbers of
any band working today. Just hearing

1664
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:42,319
that combination Nursing Home right is almost
pure slow core, and in the span

1665
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:45,520
of three minutes they built to a
crescendo like four times. I don't know

1666
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:48,159
how it's possible. They Tony five
hundred already mentioned having that soft rock,

1667
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:54,720
southern feel like. There's loads of
really inventive stuff on this record, and

1668
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,560
to me they're just sort of in
the league of their own when it comes

1669
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,279
to that sort of thing, and
yet super memorable songs I think, not

1670
01:49:01,359 --> 01:49:04,840
quite as memorable as the Last time. Well, I can just pick out

1671
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:10,600
like two dozen hooks that occur in
those eighteen minutes, but lows of great

1672
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,520
moments. And in the last week
or so of listening to this record,

1673
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:21,840
it's gone from something which I really
felt quite disheartened by to really kind of

1674
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:27,439
having to reset my expectations in a
way. Yeah, you mentioned the harmonica

1675
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,720
and staff for the instrumental diversity,
I think like I go more with the

1676
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,399
sort of like unsettling, skeletal parts
of the record that feel like sort of

1677
01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:39,840
the wind blowing through like a deserted, you know, fucking whaling village or

1678
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,159
something more than I like the jaunty
side where where you're like some of the

1679
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:45,039
songs you mentioned as like, oh
yeah, those are the parts I didn't

1680
01:49:45,039 --> 01:49:48,319
go with, like Whaling for Sport
and Day twenty five hundred where they it

1681
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:53,840
gets kind of cartoon nition for me, a bit greating, not really going

1682
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,600
with that. But it doesn't stay
in those places for too long, because

1683
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,279
then you will have something like every
day feels like nine to eleven, which

1684
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:02,520
I'm sure whatever you say, but
in that that's a full on, you

1685
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:08,560
know, scratching your voice box to
listen to it, how hoarse the screams

1686
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,840
are. It jumps around a lot
in terms of those feels. And then

1687
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:14,159
also that nine eleven track, the
one two of that, that's where I

1688
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:17,359
can see kind of the concept because
that goes into at dawn September the twelfth,

1689
01:50:17,359 --> 01:50:21,000
two thousand and one, everyone went
back to work over this like very

1690
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,119
simple little piano line, you know, very little point to the point kind

1691
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,600
of message there, that kind of
sort of carrying on that you can feel

1692
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,560
in this record. I mean,
if you know, an eighteen minute release

1693
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:35,000
was your like your favorite release of
that year that it came out. They've

1694
01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:40,079
now doubled that length you've gone back
to the drawing board with it a little

1695
01:50:40,079 --> 01:50:42,359
bit. How is this for you, I guess in terms of sort of

1696
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:46,600
extrapolating the ideas and you know,
hopefully, you know, suggesting a bright

1697
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:51,119
future. Yeah, I mean I
would call this a great but maybe floored

1698
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:55,520
follow up. So the one of
the decades best records so far, So

1699
01:50:56,319 --> 01:51:00,000
it's not really a failure by any
real soundselight you mentioned maybe they feels like

1700
01:51:00,119 --> 01:51:02,800
nine to eleven. That's one of
the songs that I'm still not so keen

1701
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,920
on, Like I like the sound
of it, but if it was slightly

1702
01:51:06,039 --> 01:51:10,800
forced and maybe not to take the
concepts into account or something I don't know.

1703
01:51:11,159 --> 01:51:13,600
And then yes, yes, a
thousand times yes, which I believe

1704
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,319
was a single. That's the most
they fall into the kind of email by

1705
01:51:16,399 --> 01:51:20,680
numbers territory, and I think that
really dominated my initial impressions, and I

1706
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:24,760
can see why it's there, but
that's not really jelling me. However,

1707
01:51:25,319 --> 01:51:30,399
the vast majority of their best and
most interesting attributes are still present and correct,

1708
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:34,680
and the old detour into something less
palatable to myself, I kind of

1709
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:40,520
admire that with the stretch of the
running time that they've taken that risk.

1710
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:43,399
In those extra moments, I don't
just want to hear the thing I like

1711
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:46,520
done twice. I like hearing that
they're doing new things, and for me,

1712
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:51,960
it's a really thoroughly enjoyable moment with
many moments that exhibit their real greatness.

1713
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,720
So I don't know what the ceiling
is from bound Lot Holmes workers.

1714
01:51:56,840 --> 01:52:00,520
I've really have no idea how palatable
they are to most people. I think,

1715
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:03,239
to be honest, if a more
chance trying to go for the modest

1716
01:52:03,279 --> 01:52:06,720
mouse fan, which which is a
lot of people, to be fair,

1717
01:52:08,039 --> 01:52:12,880
then maybe they wouldn't something like the
Wonder Years. But I think that I've

1718
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:16,439
seen this getting them a lot of
acclaim at least and then maybe success capitalizing

1719
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:19,680
on that. But you know,
who knows. I know what their expectations

1720
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:25,039
of themselves are. Either way,
I still say the top of the tree

1721
01:52:25,319 --> 01:52:28,279
in their field. Yeah, well, I mean what you just mentioned terms

1722
01:52:28,319 --> 01:52:30,560
like maybe the different branches of what
kind of a band like this go for

1723
01:52:30,359 --> 01:52:34,279
the last thing that we reviewed that
was I guess sort of a similar area

1724
01:52:34,399 --> 01:52:38,600
something like this was like that hot
Mulligan record. And again when this goes

1725
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:42,920
into areas I'm not so keen on
it is almost like I don't really know

1726
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,119
why you're being like, you know, one of the cartoon cowboys from the

1727
01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:49,479
Primus on a big Viva video on
a song like Day twenty five every one

1728
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:55,560
this but I as a record overall, I got on it a lot more

1729
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:59,079
than something like that, which felt
more out kind of like that real like

1730
01:52:59,279 --> 01:53:01,800
yucky area of this thing can be
and maybe if that appeals more to the

1731
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:09,239
kind of like the pop punk fan
um. This was like a like a

1732
01:53:09,359 --> 01:53:14,840
like a slightly eccentric version of something
that is still very based in sort of

1733
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:19,479
quite rootsy email ideas I suppose,
And again, well that's not necessarily my

1734
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,000
thing as a record, I could
be like, yeah, you know,

1735
01:53:23,399 --> 01:53:27,079
I can I can see where that
kind of that lineage is and also what

1736
01:53:27,159 --> 01:53:30,560
it's sort of like adding to the
to the conversation. So that's Home is

1737
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:34,199
Where and the Whaler and that is
eight albums rocking, fucking knocked out in

1738
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:38,640
record time. It must be said
that you should go and check out let

1739
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,760
us know what tickles your fancy,
what is hitting the spot for you.

1740
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,399
There's a lot of cool stuff there. We've got a couple more sort of

1741
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:46,840
like more stupid months over the horizon
when everything's out, so it is nice

1742
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,039
to be able to do episodes like
this where we can. Next week we

1743
01:53:50,079 --> 01:53:54,640
will have a hyper blast out when
we will also have our album Club Pack

1744
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,319
only that something Patreon with those wicked
albums we mentioned earlier Slayer, Blooding,

1745
01:53:58,319 --> 01:54:01,159
Cantation, etc. That will join
our summer album Roulette that is available if

1746
01:54:01,159 --> 01:54:03,720
you want some records to warm you
up the summer, as if you would

1747
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,079
need it, but talking about all
sorts of feel good stuff there. Thank

1748
01:54:06,119 --> 01:54:08,800
you for listening. We'll see you
soon.