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My religion, for lack of a
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curiosity, where we want to expand
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and beyond Earth and ultimately to other
star systems. And in order to do

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that, we need to increase the
number of conscious beings, and we need

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to advance technology such that we can
have our self sustaining sitting on Mars,

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ultimately populate the whole Solar System,
and then go beyond our Solar system to

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other star systems. And therefore we
need more humans. So I mean,

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that's an amazingly different goal than what
we've had for the past. Yeah.

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I propose this as a new philosophy. Yeah, well not new, but

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maybe niche, but niche but hopefully
getting a bit bigger. So you know,

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with that philosophy in mind. But
the purpose of that philosophy is that

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is that the more we expand the
scope a scale of consciousness, the more

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we are able to understand the reality
that we live in the nature of the

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universe, and and to uh to
answer the questions that we have, and

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perhaps more importantly, to know what
questions we are not asking, as Douglas

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Adams would say, and Hitchhack's got
to the galaxy that the answer is the

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easy part. The question is the
hard part. You know, answers forty

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two. What's the question? So, so, I think that's a pretty

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optimistic. Positive philosophy also has a
lot of room for other beliefs if you

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want to add them to. You
know. But but the fundamental tents of

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my belief structure are expand the escape, expand the scale of consciousness. I

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mean, more more people, I
guess, more computers to to the agree

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that they are conscious. Uh,
and we want to pass through the uh

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one of the great filters that to
you know, you believe the Pomy paradox

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and the great filter. Now,
okay, So Enrico Fermi, great amazing

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physicist, posed a very simple question. He said, we're the aliens because

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we've seen no sign of them.
Now, a lot of people think they've

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seen signs of aliens. I've seen
no evidence whatsoever of aliens. So it's

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a troubling question. Why why not? So one of the answers, perhaps

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the most likely answer, is that
we're it that the tiny that that the

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tiny candle of consciousness that constitutes humanity. It is all that there is in

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this vast darkness, and I think
we should we should assume that that is

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the case until we actually firm evidence
to the contrary. And we and moreover,

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human consciousness only arose after four and
a half billion years. It took

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a long time, and if it
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probably would not have evolved because the
Sun is expanding. As a sun expands,

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it'll start heating Earth, and Earth
will the oceans will evaporate, will

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become more like venus inhospitable to life. So I think we may have made

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we may have achieved consciousness or consciousness
that's capable of developing technology just in time.

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I find it remarkable that we are
at this point in history where we're

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able for the first time to go
beyond Earth, to send people. We

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send people to the Moon in the
early seventies, but not essence, not

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gone back. But with the Starship
rocket that SpaceX is developing, but two

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test flights will have many more this
year. That that vehicle is designed to

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make life multiplanetary. It's the first
vehicle that are just capable of doing that.

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A permanent base on the Moon and
a city on Mars. So I

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think we want to get that done
as soon as possible. The window for

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the window of opportunity to make life
multiplanetary and secure the future of consciousness may

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be open for a long time,
or it may be open for a short

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time. I think it would be
wise to not assume that it'll be opened

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for a long time. And when
we act now, to act now to

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make life multiplanetary. One thing that's
fascinating what you're saying is that it assumes

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an innate level of belief and and
love for human beings. And so I

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love humanity. So why, I
mean, it's it's it's a weird question,

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but I mean, really kind of
why. I mean, we're not

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that great. I mean we have
great we can be angels, we can

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be devils, obviously, we have
the capacity for all of the things in

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between. What do you think makes, aside from just the qualities that theoretically

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could be duplicated by AI in the
very near future, that makes human beings

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unique enough. I'll tell you something
so that I think that maybe resonates.

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It's like, I think, actually
everyone loves humanity. Now they may not

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love everyone in humanity, but you
say, how many people want to be

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in solatary confinement. Okay, how
many people when I live alone in the

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forest by themselves, Almost no human
beings want to do that. That is

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actually, in reality, all humans
love humanity and want to be part of

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humanity almost, you know, with
the rare exception of someone who's growth spere

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psychological issues. So that you know, that's why solatry confinement is considered a

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terrible punishment in prison, because even
though other prisoners are probably not the well

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they're not the finest examples of humans, you still want to hang out with

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them, you know. So I
think it's a natural thing. You know,

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it's long. As long as it's
long, kids aren't towrd to hate

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back to some of the business conversation
that I want to go back to the

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SpaceX of it when when it comes
to business, what do you see as

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sort of the biggest obstacles to not
only the success of your companies, but

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to success generally because there seems to
be this idea abroad that people can't duplicate

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the path that basically it used to
be that people like you could succeed,

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but now it's totally finished and now
you can't get ahead. Is Erica.

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Nothing's changed in that regard as far
as nowhere there are you know, your

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companies being formed all the time in
the US, Well, what do you

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see as the obstacles to companies being
successful increasingly in the West? If there

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is, if there are obstacles to
that, well, I think excess regulation.

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You know, taxes do ratch op
every year, making a little difficult,

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a little harder every year as taxes
rat job. But the regulatory creep

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is I think a massive danger.
So laws of regulations are immortal, but

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the regulators and the lawmakers make new
rules of regulations and laws and regulations every

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year, and so you have this, so every year you've got this sort

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of another layer of laws regulations.
It'suss getting to the point where everything's legal.

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You can't get anything done. And
you say, well, how do

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they deal with in the past,
Well, the way they don't within the

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past, would there'd be a war
and the war would wash away that the

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old rules, laws and regulations.
That's that's would literally would take a war

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to change things, you know,
like Napoleon, you know, establishing the

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Napoleonic Code from that overalled the old
law systems of the sort of lords and

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the lords and peasants. And if
you know, for all that the bad

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that Napoleon did, I think it
did more good actually, So the evidence

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isn't in that. I think maybe
a third or a half of all countries

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on Earth still run on the Napoleon
Code. So and I would would prefer

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to have some clean up process for
laws and regulations that doesn't require war.

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That'd be nice, I think.
And I think that's something we need to

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institute, like basically a garbage collection
for laws and regulations