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Do you, And welcome to all
evening morning, Well wherever you are,

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just to keep, isn't it?
You're welcome, Welcome to Untold Radio's down

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South and normalis This is episode forty
five to catch a Flying Start Australian newfo

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experiences and what's old is New as
prosy, and we will explain tonight that

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nothing has really changed when we step
back nearly thirty years, twenty eight years

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to a program I did for Radio
National here in Australia, a radio documentary

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in the mid nineties. So let's
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now. My name is Jay Katsa
the Beautiful Aspasia And as we said before,

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it's episode forty five. In US, we say every week we are

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broadcasting on stolen land. Yes,
having a referendum very soon. They haven't

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given us a date really yet,
have they. But everyone in this country

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should be saying yes to our indigenous
people. Got to say whatever they want

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to say. No, I don't
think they should be. But anyway,

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all right, the Gattigal people,
the or nation, and we want to

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respect and acknowledge elders past, present
and emerging, as we do every week.

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Now. It's so interesting that flutter
of news is just out of control

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and we haven't stopped. A couple
of really hot interviews up the collapsed on

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us. One of them I can
announced, the other one I'm keeping quiet,

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so I don't curse it. But
Dean Bennett is probably Australia's most unsung

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absolutely stuntmen stuntmen, and he recanted
an incredible UFO's story to me recently at

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the Sydney premiere of Ribspreader, Dick
Dale's incredible feature of film about the dangers

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of cigarette smoking and beyond. I
think anyway tonight we were we're working at

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well, that's yeah, we're working. But when he's ended up having to

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go to Melbourne, Yes, so
we've got the blue so we've got him

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next week, so he will be
here. But you know the thing,

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the beauty of that was we we
delved into his background and it's just profound.

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It is just profound. It's just
crazy. I mean, you would

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have been led to believe in the
seventies of Grant Page was the only stunt

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men in Australia. He seemed to
be on everyone. Yeah, that's fair

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enough, and it wasn't. It
was in there as a kid filmmaking,

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Oh my god. And he worked
on Survivor the record by David Hemmings.

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That's right, in just an amazing
film. It's an incredible para normal aspect

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to it. But anyway, and
but the amazing plane scene that will they

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have an entire jumbo jet crash,
which is one of the most profound things

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you were ever going to see recorded
on filmy early in the piece in the

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late seventies, and Dean was on
set as as a child, as a

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child. Anyway, his story is
fascinating. And then he will recant this

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amazing UFO experienced story that he he
was told by a friend of it or

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a security guard that he was,
which is which is a fascinating so we'll

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get more clarity on that next week. But in the meantime, we've gone

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back to a program I did for
Radio Nashville with a lot of your assistance,

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the scenes, behind the scenes,
and it was a potted history of

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Australian uphological reports, yes, with
little tinches of archival news and a lot

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of you know, interesting archival news, but some very wacky of newss well

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and Michael Williams who was who went
out on the nullable with Michael Williams was

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an infrared photography and Anthony lah who
had experiences himself, but he was a

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brilliant musician, cheerful and itchy and
scratching and scratchy, and so I did

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the background music music with him and
it's it's an amazing sound score and the

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whole you know, you'll you'll hear
it. It's it's really evocative of you

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know, back in the day.
And it was during was it during the

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X Files? Was the files hadn't
even Adam started yet, but it was

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about to start. This thing came
out on cassette. Well, it was

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so much in demand, it was
so interested by the population. But it

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was the four last the original cassette. The format was cassette then, so

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this is even before CD so and
then when CDs came in not long after

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that, and then they pulped all
these they threw with the garbage away.

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Well these in the National Archives.
It's not no, I mean all the

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copies that they had that you know, everybody was changing over so quickly.

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Anyway, get it online these days
it can cost a fortunately anyways. Anyway,

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so in there to Cope build Chalker, it really is the history of

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from the Australian government perspective of containing
a controversy. That's right, and it

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always has been that way and it
still is that way to day. But

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this is to the mobile phone and
the internet really, I mean the internet

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was in its infancy. Yes,
the mobile phone had really not hitting people's

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hands apart from those huge bricks with
antennas on the y and lots of interviews.

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We actually got a chance to interview
Bob Grant, whose mother was the

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Secretary in Sack the Strategic Air Command
at the time, and speaks about the

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nineteen fifty two Inton. Yeah,
that was incredible. For two weeks,

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that is unbelievable. We also hear
from our indigenous culture Norm Grogan speaks about

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the family and the men in light. We've got a pilot in their military

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and civilian pilots from lots of different
stories from different Hennessy, Yeah, from

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different sectors of the community, and
just lots of great reports from tenacious,

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pragmatic individuals from all across the country. A lot of those people living off

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the land. Michael Williams was searched. Did feature in fourteen Times the Wonderful

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Weakness of Oz issue, which is
two hundred and thirteen from August two thousand

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and six. That was the yeah
when it came out. So there's his

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great photos he took in the nulla
war of what looks like the space cret

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is of Nope, Trevor James Kunstable
and Wilhelm Reich and they are in an

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area that researchers like Paul Devereaux would
have called an earthlike area. We need

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to move along otherwise, what did
you want to eationally? Let the start

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here. I wanted to play a
little piece I'd slipped across recently by the

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incredible author Philip K. Dick.
The men behind Blade Runner, Scanner,

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Darkly, you name it, Minority
Report. This is the genius and minds

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you. He was doing a lot
of quay ludes in his day, but

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he talks. I think that there
was the doorway do huxed to call it

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that, but but he spoke at
a sci fi convention in France in the

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late seventies and now it's probably coming
off the back of that astounding book valis

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that he was having time slippage something
that I think there could be something that

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may be starting to alban there from
Reno Nordica. We're gonna have to check

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that out. But this is literally
the world is a simulation before anyone else

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articulated it, and it's the Mandela
effect. So let's have a listen to

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Philip K. Dick before we go
into the incredible audio documentary now tonight.

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For those people listening on audio,
you get a feast. We can go

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and make dinner whiles we've got that
running, so we get a bit of

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a break. There's no visuals,
but you can just slide back and meditate

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to this and hopefully you'll enjoy that
complex electronic score I did with Anthony mark

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You. In the meantime, let's
have a little few words from Philip K.

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Dick about the Mandela effect before it
occurred. Isn't that the subject of

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the speech as a topic which has
been discovered recently and which may not exist

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at all, I may be talking
about something that does not exist. Therefore

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I am free to say everything or
nothing. I and my stories and novels

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often write about counterfeit worlds, semi
real worlds, as well as deranged private

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worlds inhabited often by just one person, while meantime the other characters either remain

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in their own worlds throughout or are
somehow drawn into one of the peculiar ones.

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This theme occurs in the corpus of
my twenty seven years of writing.

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At no time did I have a
theoretical or conscious explanation for my preoccupation with

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these pluriform pseudo worlds. But now
I think I understand. What I was

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sensing was the manifold of partially actualized
realities lying tangent to what evidently is the

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most actualized one, the one which
the majority of us, by consensus gentium

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agree on. Later that day,
back home again but still deeply under the

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influence of the sodium pentethol, I
had a short acute flash of recovered memory.

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Then in mid March, a month
later, the total body of memories,

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intact and entire, began to return. You are free to believe me

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or to disbelieve, but please take
my word on it that I am not

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joking. This is very serious,
a matter of importance. At that time,

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I had no idea what I was
seeing. It resembled nothing that I

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had ever heard described. It resembled
plasmic energy. It had colors, it

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moved fast, it collected and then
dispersed. But what it was, what

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he was, I am not sure
even now. In other words, it's

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a common theme in my writing that
a dark haired girl shows up at the

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door of the protagonist and tells him
that his world is delusional, that there's

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something false about it. Well,
this did finally happen to me. I

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even knew that her hair would be
black. I had an actual, complete

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sense of what she would look like
and what she would say. She did

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appear she was a total stranger,
and she did inform me of this fact

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that some of my fictional works were, in a literal sense true. I

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wrote out these dreams in novel after
novel, story after story, to name

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two in which this prior ugly present
obtained most clearly. I cite The Man

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in the High Castle and my nineteen
seventy four novel about the US as a

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police state called Flow My Tears.
The policeman said, I'm going to be

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very candid with you. I wrote
novels based on fragmentary, residual memories of

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such a horrid slave state world.
People claim to remember past lives. I

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claim to remember a different, very
different, present life. I know of

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no one who has ever made this
claim before, but I rather suspect that

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my experience is not unique. What
perhaps is unique is the fact that I

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am willing to talk about it.
We are living in a computer programmed reality,

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and the only clue we have to
it is when some variable is changed,

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and some alteration in our reality occurs, we would have the overwhelming impression

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that we were reliving the present DejaVu, perhaps in precisely the same way,

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hearing the same words, saying the
same words. I submit that these impressions

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are valid and significant, and I
will even say this, Such an impression

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is a clue that it's past time
point, a variable was changed, reprogrammed

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as it were, and that because
of this, an alternative world branched off.

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Okay, incredible. So that was
in nineteen seventy seven in France that

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he's making my speech. Now you
actually you were showing me a whole bunch

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of clips the other day. That
is impossible. It's just a great piece

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on bits of you know what looks
like the matrix glitch well that people and

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I can't accept for one second logically
that this could be well, none of

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this. Why would you do the
depth of pain and suffering that people have

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to go through in this Why wouldn't
you just a little? Why would you

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if we have if we have that
capacity. But it's a fascinating thing and

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one extraordinary mind. Out of most
science fiction writers, I think that Philip

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K. Dick, no matter how
you want to interpret him as a drug

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fueled madman or someone with pure insight, he had probably had more clarity on

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the way the future was going.
The most futurist and science fiction writers ever

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did romanticize their work. There's a
sense of realism, and it resonates with

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the population. It really don't Terminator
and all those films you know heavily.

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I don't know if it's terminated,
but the one about Mars he certainly was

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based on Philip K. Dick's work, but definitely Blade running a darkly minority

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report, all that sort of stuff. But before we go there, let's

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let's talk about these light beings that
are occurring in Peru. This story is

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not going away, and it certainly
does not look like has anything to do

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with people going there jumping on gold
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you learn, as we always have
that piece with Robert and Tom Wilson telling

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us to you know, don't believe, reassess. So this village is quite

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remote. I think it's about eighteen
kilometers away from anywhere that you could call

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for help by both. So you
are in trouble, and you know,

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this seems to have been occurring,
you know, not just for the past

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month, but for many, many
years. So what I did was I

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came across a piece from the Incredible
channel go and check them out UAP Brazil

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and this is in Brazil. I
think it's around two thirteen, but this

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is very similar activity. Let's just
get a little glimpse of this now and

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maybe put the mic on on Talk
over the top because the translations not in

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English, but there's subtitles. Okay, let's go right, So even though

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the it's really odd as the village
no village, and this is an account

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of a being that hit a beam
of light from an identifying phenomena and it

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actually is taking out these young ladies. It actually one of them had a

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miscarriage after the incident. It seems
to roll into this village at about nine

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pm pim pim. It's luminescence folding
in on itself and before you know,

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and it's flowering these like what appears
to be laser beams. Animal So it's

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very difficult to get the complete truth
of this situation, especially in Peru.

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This is much earlier information, but
it looks like this area for decades.

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The phenomena seems to be taking advantage
of the fact that these people are in

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a remote area, and we know
from the Australian wilderness there seems to be

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Is it the fact that people more
perceptive, that they're aware of the environment

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much better, or is it the
fact that the phenomena is exploiting the remote

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us. Yeah, it's really odd
and none of us can really tell.

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I think we'll get rid of that
footage. But go and look at you

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ap Brazil, and it's very interesting. The information that's coming out of there.

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What I do know now is that
whether it was the Navy or the

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Army that went in, it was
only a few of them, and they

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didn't do much report. They just
debunked it with you know, you jet

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packing gold mining claim jumpers. But
the truth of the fact is that it

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hasn't stopped. And so now the
community itself is going out at night on

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mass trying to hunt down the peller
carters or whatever you call face peeling,

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the face pillar. There is this
really graphic footage one body being removed from

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the water that we don't want to
we don't want to look out. You

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don't have to see that. So, without any further ADO, this is

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the first time we're going completely to
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have the title card, which is
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retail shops, the ABC shops twenty
nine years ago, and you're going to

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hear a much younger Jay Katz under
my other name, Jamie Leonardo causs your

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real name, see Leonardo or what's
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without any further ADO, thank you
for tuning in and being with us for

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episode forty five. Hopefully fingers crossed, we will have Australia's most obscure yet

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one of the most profound stuntmen,
and with a fascinating story, with a

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fascinating UFO story, and then we've
got some really exciting guests. We keep

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saying this, I know, I
know we do, but we do every

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week. Is exciting, all right, Okay, okay, here we go,

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thank you. As from time immemorial, the Earth has been bombarded by

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objects from out of space, bits
and pieces of the universe, using our

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atmosphere in an invasion that never ends. In every moment of every day.

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They come from planets belonging to stars
whose dying light is too far away to

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be seen from vinity. They come
without training side Bay Salt, just traveling

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making to patch him. Yea across
the sky. That looks unbelievable, doesn't

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it. But it's a pretty accurate
recreation of probably the most amajoring UFO sighting

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ever in Australia or for that matter, anywhere else. We do actually have

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photographs, I mean I know a
photographs that's been taken by military plagues.

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They hide them primarily because they're frightened
of our meeting they don't know what's going

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on. It must have been traveling
at incredible speed since it disappeared out of

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sight in a matter of a second
or two. I wouldn't want to say

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that this was one of those so
called flying sauces, but whatever it was,

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it was an object and not an
illusion. Hello and welcome. My

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name is Jamie Leonardo. I'm an
independent UFO researcher with Alert, the Anomalous

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Light and Energy Research Team. The
first reported UFO sighting of the modern era

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was by a civilian pilot, Kenneth
Arnold, over Mount Rainier in Washington State.

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It was June nineteen forty seven.
Arnold claimed to have seen nine teardrop

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shaped objects flying in formation. He
likened their movement to sources skimming across the

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surface of a lake. His sighting
received worldwide media attention, and through Arnold's

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description of these objects, the term
flying sorcer entered popular consciousness. My name

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is three Frank Buttshots standing Horse.
I am an Odawa Indian. In the

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nineteen fifty nine on delay of the
twelve, I took a trip in a

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flying sorcery. This up in two
was two mars over the moon. Venus

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Clarion and Arian. When I say
Arian, I do not mean Oriyan.

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It is a planet outside of our
galaxy. And I was gone four days

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and four nights in two half thanks
the captain of the via Omas, which

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is the name of this h flying
saucer. Her name was Mandra Olika,

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a very beautiful woman. She gave
me the age of four hundred and seventeen

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years old, that was in nineteen
fifty nine. She was dull, a

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tall, dark complected, beautiful blue
eyes, well shaped, and she certainly

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was worth with beauty. The climate
of paranoia during the Cold War, I

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mean that such startings were open and
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The emerging nuclear threat made them all
the more terrifying. During the Second World

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War, there had also been a
theory that the Nazis had managed to manufacture

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flying sources which operated out of bases
in the polar Ice Case. In mid

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nineteen fifty two, one of the
most famous unidentified radar and visual sightings occurred

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over Washington, DC. Veteran Hollywood
journalist Bob Grant remembers his mother coming home

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from her job in the Pentagon,
convinced that the invasion was imminent, a

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proposition apparently taken seriously by the United
States Air Force after a one year's investigation.

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I believe that the flying sauces seen
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are objects from another planet. Air
Force itself has officially admitted that flying sauces

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exist. This statement appears then projects
Ice Case number seven twenty five. Not

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only that the Air forces officially analyzed
the motives of possible distress in space.

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Here is a direct quotation from the
official report. Such a civilization might observe

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that on Earth we now have atomic
bombs and are fast developing rockets. In

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the past history of mankind, they
should be alarmed. We should therefore expect,

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this time above all, to the
whole such visitation. At the time,

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I was just about ready to go
out of high school, and my

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mother at the time was lurking in
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and who told better be interested in
aerial phenomena than sack. While it was

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very highly classified. She would come
home in the evenings, particularly after the

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first sighting, just totally pale.
She couldn't talk about any of it,

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but all the color was drained from
her face, and everybody in the Pentagon

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in Strategic Air Command was certain at
that point that we were being invaded from

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outer space. There, these these
things were appearing, they were on radar.

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They scrambled fighters. The fighters would
lock their radar and their armament onto

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these targets and they would just simply
move out of the way. They would

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fly off, they would go straight
up, they would go to one side

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there. It was just absolutely nothing
tangible. But it was confirmed with the

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radar lock from the fighter planes,
from ground radar, from civilian radar at

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the International Airport Washington International, and
visual sightings from the ground and from the

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tower. So whatever it was,
and if they know what it was,

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they're still not saying. At least
I haven't heard. They were certainly fighting

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by it. Inflating an immense balloon
aboard the USS Norton Sound, the Navy

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prepares for further study of the elusive
cosmic rays somewhere in the Pacific. That's

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the new A secondary consideration clears up
the mystery of the so called flying saucers,

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or it is these monsters which rise
nineteen miles and attain diameters of one

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hundred feet that have been mistaken for
the apparitions called flying saucers. At great

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altitudes. They tell us these ere
elongated enormities flatten out like plates. Mystery

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ended. Sightings of anomalous aerial phenomena
are most often associated with North America,

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but Australia has a long history of
observations and was one of the first countries

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to establish a UFO research center.
In nineteen thirty, Sir Francis Chichester reported

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seeing a strange object over the Tasan
Sea, and Australia has written accounts dating

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back to the mid nineteenth century.
The oral history of Australia's Aboriginal people has

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long incorporated unknown or inexplicable moving lights
and objects in the sky. The Minmen

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lights, as they are often called, are also an important part of many

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a bush yarn. Accounts of these
lights are common in Northwest Queensland Murray broadcasting

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Norm Grogan and members an incident from
his child. They've been a thousands of

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views because there are actually paintings that
are dating back a few thousand years depicting

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minmen likeness handed down through storytelling through
generations that the minimen light is there and

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if you go out in the bush, be careful of it. You always

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get warnings that the minmen light is
there. It's always present and h it's

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just associated with spirits, evil spirits, so therefore you muck the tangle with

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it, and it's a deterrent when
you're little, if you're playing around and

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your parents don't want you to be
mucking around, they say, what's out

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that menmen Lot's gonna come get you. When I was growing up in Cans

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we went out camping with Dad and
Mum and uncles and buds and sisters quite

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often to see and it's some of
the ways that discipline you're from wandering off

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too far. Don't get over there. There's a menmen lot over then we're

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gonna come get you. You know. It's so that way you know you

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you know from when you're literally like
menmen lot is bad. It's got spirits,

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bad spirits. So you don't play
with it because the spirits might steal

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your away from your family. So
you just don't want to be involved with

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it. Going back a few years
when I was about it was about eight,

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eight or nine years old. Ifew
to us and we're were quite often

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when across the mountain, eyes are
from Cairns to see my mother's brother,

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my uncle Matt Eisa and his family
also spend school holidays with them, and

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you know, we'd packed the whole
car up and have ten of us kids

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in there, you know, a
packed there and with the dog even,

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you know. So we'd go through
and in those days, between Cans and

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Mount Eis of the old Stuart Highways
it was and it was all dirt.

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It wasn't sealed. So every wet
season we'd go across just before Christmas,

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so there's quite a bit of rain
on there and there's always mud, so

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you're really taking it in your own
hands, you know, to travel along

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there, you're in safety. So
we'd go along and get through the tracks

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and everything. And then the particular
instance was one night we were driving along

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and we came across something some bikes
and we'd passed them, and then you

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know, everybody was saying, harder, bikes are there? Bikes are There's

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quite a few that I can't remember
exactly this. We had half a dozen

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or so, but they're all on
their big choppers and they're living and we

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passed them and waved to them,
and this is you know, this is

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really dark now, and so we
headed along the highway and we suddenly came

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to a really muddy patch and it
was sort of on a downhill run and

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we were stuck in there and all
of us had to get out. There's

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living of us in the car now, third in Actually we kind of numb,

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and Dad and we jumped out,
and I was still sitting in the

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car because I was smaller, second
youngest at that stage. My little baby

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sister was with us, and everybody
else was out of the car and they

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were pushing, and so her dad
was out pushing, directing all the other

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kids. And then a suddenly we
said, oh, he's better help.

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There's car KNERR. And we're watching. We thought it might have been a

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truck because it was really high above
the horizon, the little hump up on

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the horizon. We came down the
hill and then we thought, and that's

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too high for a truck. Could
be the bikers said yeah, yeah,

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it could be the bikers. And
then we thought, no, that's too

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bright and too high. And then
all of a sudden it just sat on

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the hill and we thought, well, what are they waiting for, because

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we're coming up. Three fire stopped
and then looking down us. So we

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stopped everybody outside stop trying to thing, you know, lifting the car out

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of the bag. So they thought, well, we'll wait till the bikes

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come there, can you'll say they
energy, So they're waiting. We we

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we're all waiting and waiting. And
it seemed like, you know, so

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I've probably twenty minutes or so or
whatever, and then we suddenly realized,

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hang on, what's this, what's
the what are they doing up there?

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And then we suddenly see the light
sort of darting off off the road,

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off the dirt track or think where
are they going, you know, because

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it's only just mud all around.
And then I think Dad said, quick,

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everybody start getting in the car.
Come on, let's get the car

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going. And he clicked on and
he he said it's a men men light.

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Hey. We were all like,
come on, come on up,

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we're just packing it, you know, And we eventually got it, got

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the car out of the bag,
and we took off and it was following

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us for a little while and came
up. You know, as I said,

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it just keeps it good distance so
that you can't get a good look

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at it and you can't get too
close to it because it knows it somehow

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knows that you're watching, and it's
not going to come up and give you

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that chance to to work it out
whatever it is. So we we all

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got in the car and we're all
like relieved, you know, and panicking

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and yeah, we're getting away.
But was following us with them when it

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fun left? Thank god it's gone, you know. Oh. Given a

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long history of unusual aerial sightings in
Australia, it's not surprising that there is

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also a lively culture of independent research. One of the most highly regarded researchers

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in Australia is Bill Chawka. Bill
is an industrial chemist and uses scientific skills

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to search for physical traces of science
of report to the incidents. I've been

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sort of interested in one form or
another since about the mid sixties. I

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suppose I started collecting stories about them
and clicking out newspaper clippings as a kid.

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At that time, in the mid
sixties, there was a lot of

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widespread UF activity, not only in
Australia but overseas. It was a topic

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of a lot of interest and it
generated a number of popular books. And

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at those days, I suppose I
had an increasing interest in what I thought

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was scientific mysteries and things like this, and to me UFA has seemed to

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represent a something that was a real
challenge to science, something really quite extraordinary

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going on. And as it turned
out, sixty six was also scene of

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a wave of UFAs sightings in my
own sort of hometown local area of graft

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And on the north coast of New
South Wales and just about after towns or

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UFAs, not myself, which is
a bit of a pity, but but

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it certainly sparked a bit more interest
that something was happening on my own home

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too, and so I gradually started
to develop a little bit more interest in

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it and started to really get into
the literature in a big way and found

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it. Certainly there was a lot
of rubbish and a lot of really silly

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stuff written about the phenomena, but
in amongst it all there was a real

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lot of interesting material. And so
the interest became more and more pronounced,

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and certainly I started becoming actively doing
sort of fieldwork. In the late nineteen

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sixties, I went through our university, University New England with a science to

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ground, a major in chemistry and
mathematics, and I suppose that background gives

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you some sense of discipline interpreting sort
of unusual phenomena, and certainly it gives

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me pause in terms of evaluating things. I try to critically evaluate things,

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and I work on the assumption that
if there's a real anomalous phenomenon involved,

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and if it survives a critical gaunt, necessarily worthwhile looking into and examining.

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Given that approach, I can certainly
still say that there is an incredible amount

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of information out there that stands the
test of time and stands up to really

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critical evaluation. You know, the
various skeptics and things like that, they're

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fond of saying that basically, the
only reason that there is a UFA phenomena

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is this unexplained residue. When you
do examine that residue, the reason why

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the residue is there is that it
is definitely unexplained. It's truly anomalous.

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Widespread access to portable video cameras and
ease of operation has meant an increasing body

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of documentation for researchers. Many tapes
are similar to this one recorded outside of

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Newcastle in New South Wales. That's
exactly the same thing, most trust,

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that's the same thing going on or
off. The shape is exactly the same.

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That's what he's a sign one way
and the other one went driving.

407
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,639
Another one went out and they went
drive. They went to bring up another

408
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:13,639
one. We come to another one. Look over, hul give us one.

409
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,480
I just got a falline. This
one and the other one's going back

410
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:22,360
towards us. Hey, mh you
know, yeah, that's going in and

411
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,760
out. No, that wasn't,
Michael. That's same things. Yeah,

412
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:37,280
yeah, that's one that's going down
towards the other one. Just watched them

413
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,280
to the day paper recording on I
was down towards Bagas nineteen seventy three.

414
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960
We were living at the Central Coast, the entrance, and we'd gone to

415
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,360
bed at night and I I we
went to sleep, and the next minute

416
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,679
I was in a spacecraft and that
we had very large windows, and there

417
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,239
were seats like a seat attached to
the wall. There were people sitting on

418
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,199
those suits in a transfer state.
I was on a blog and operating table.

419
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,960
They're part a number of these tables, but I was the only person

420
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,679
on any of the tables. And
on the other side of me, I

421
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,400
had two alien men. I presume
bat your heart, but they had dresting

422
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,320
silver suits, and they only had
they had no visible mouth or nose,

423
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,079
and they just had two slits here
for the eyes. And they seemed to

424
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,760
speak by emitting a sound from their
throat, and they were pumbling my stomach

425
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,719
and they really hurt him, and
I was very upset, and I've sort

426
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,400
of said, well, you don't
have to hurt me, you know,

427
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,840
let's be friends sort of thing.
And they ignored me as though I was

428
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,360
a bug on the table. Most
commentators would argue that Australia's right up there

429
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,679
amongst the leading countries in terms of
UFA phenomena. I can send new pats

430
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,840
the fact that there's a lot of
interesting phenomenon that's been going on in Australia

431
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,480
for a long long time, and
there's certainly been no shortage of UFAs sightings.

432
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,360
I guess the earliest. To me, it's one of the more striking

433
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,880
ones as well. And I'm going
back before the modern popularization of the UFA

434
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,400
phenomen and that's nine forty seven.
To me, there are two. I've

435
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,679
always had an interest, by the
way, in terms of historical pre nineteen

436
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,880
forty seven reports, because most people
have argued or a lot of commentators have

437
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:27,559
argued that the UFA phenomena is like
a space age answer to our fears and

438
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,840
concerns, etc. That it's essentially
a modern hysteria. Look at it from

439
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,320
the point of view. Here we
are stepping into our own sort of space

440
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,639
age. Obviously we're going to be
seeing UFAs and alands all over the place,

441
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,599
and that it is a form of
hysteria. And so it becomes interesting

442
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:45,960
to look at pre nine and forty
seven sightings that pre date the Space Age.

443
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:52,199
And what's interesting is that in amongst
that, particularly in the early part

444
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
of the century and last century,
there are various events that seem to fit

445
00:39:55,039 --> 00:40:00,239
into what appears to be USA phenomenal
today. And for example, one that

446
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840
occurred in eighty sixty eight, and
this is one of the few that have

447
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,480
been able to document in a lot
of detail, involved a paramattics surveyor,

448
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,000
Frederick William Birmingham, and he was
twice Attoman on Paramoutic Council. He was

449
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,800
an engineer to the council. He
did all sorts of technical drawings for the

450
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:22,079
council. So no flake basically,
so he seemed to be well regarded.

451
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,519
But here was this I was given
a copy of what appeared to be a

452
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,360
memorandum book or a diary written by
this fellow, and at first I thought

453
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,679
it was some form of literary hoax, and I sort of thought it was

454
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,519
fascinating. I wrote about it a
little bit to at least put it on

455
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,559
record at the time, but I
always thought a little bit suspicious about it.

456
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,559
As it turned out, there was
nothing at all in this memorandum book

457
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,920
or diary that was inconsistent with what
appeared to be, and that was an

458
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,920
authentic record of the day. What
he described was seeing what appeared to be

459
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,760
what he called a flying arc or
as he said, i'm as, seemed

460
00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,920
to go through the air, which
appeared to land in paramatutic hark. And

461
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:06,400
he also described what he said was
a spirit in a neutral dress or frock

462
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:08,800
presumably in those days was something like
a full length tunic or something like that.

463
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,960
And this spirit, which ostensibly was
a humanoid type of person, invited

464
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:19,440
him on board, and he was, according to his description of it,

465
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,199
flowing through the air and landed gently
on the ground near the ark where it

466
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,639
landed, and he was taken on
board by this spirit and showing around and

467
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:35,599
shining papers and these papers had some
engineering relevance or something. He didn't know

468
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,079
it at the time that he was
shown equations. And it was years later,

469
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,239
when he was working on some engineering
work for the paramount of Council that

470
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,519
he came across those same equations that
he had seen several years earlier inside this

471
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:52,400
strange arc. There was a certain
degree we have at the high level of

472
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,800
weirdness about this story, but it
nevertheless captured many of the elements that we

473
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,360
see to day in modern abduction counts, which is all the rage today.

474
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:07,039
And here we have an event that
occurred way back in eighteen sixty eight Bill

475
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:15,119
Chalker. Here's how Frederick Birmingham wrote
about the incident some years later. The

476
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,840
spirit appeared like a neutral tent shade
and the shape of a man in his

477
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,360
usual frock dress. I was shown
around the arc, after which the spirit

478
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,280
disappeared and I fell, I suppose
into my usual sleeping state, waking next

479
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:37,239
morning deeply impressed with the vision of
the night. It's tantalizing to ponder whether

480
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,159
the equation that Birmingham came across in
that mysterious craft may have ended up being

481
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,719
used in the construction of local government
buildings. We may never know how credible

482
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:52,320
a witness Frederick Birmingham was, and
it's the credibility of witnesses which is often

483
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,960
called into question. I was walking
in from me mates at about nine thirty.

484
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,639
I was coming to Uncommon Avenue West
Ride, and I have been in

485
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,960
the sky and there was this object
there. I thought it was just standing

486
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:08,360
still, so I stood still to
see if it was moving or not,

487
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,360
and it wasn't. It was just
there. And then I started going home

488
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,679
again, and then it moved across
Save towards Paramatt, away from West Ride,

489
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,039
and then it was real clear when
I first saw it, and by

490
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,079
the time went to Paramatta, another
one come along and did they both just

491
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:30,000
stopped there, and then they rubbing
me went down the road douvel looking to

492
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,760
see if there's any more that we've
seen before that, and then we come

493
00:43:34,800 --> 00:44:12,119
back and our backs just gone circular. It is more difficult to disregard the

494
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,280
testimonies of those who are trained observers, astronomers, pilots, and aircraft controllers.

495
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,199
For example, Clyde Tombar, the
American astronomer who at the age of

496
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,119
twenty four discovered the planet Pluto,
would later state publicly that he had observed

497
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,480
many UFOs in a moment. Australian
pilot Allan Hennessy, a flyer with over

498
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:40,559
five thousand hours in both military and
civilian craft, describes a couple of unexplained

499
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:45,000
incidents from his career. Well,
if anyone still does in existence of flying

500
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,599
sources, they'll have to contend with
fairly strong evidence produced by a scientist on

501
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,159
board the Anglo French supersonic airliner Concord. The Concord was flying at about fifty

502
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:59,280
five thousand feet over Chad in Africa, and it's been a fourteen hundred and

503
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,400
thirty seven mile than our. A
team of scientists was aboard. The job

504
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,079
was to photograph the eclipse of the
Sun from the most favorable position, and

505
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,920
so a series of pictures were taken
during the period of Turtle eclipse. When

506
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,239
they were developed, they showed a
strange luminous round object. It was hard

507
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,159
on the plane and about ten miles
distance, according to Micha clode Power,

508
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,039
chief of the Rocketry division of the
French Center of a Space study, and

509
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,039
an exhaustive analysis of angles and speed
showed later that it had a diameter of

510
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,800
about six hundred and fifty feet.
The first incidents of seeing something that I

511
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:39,800
didn't quite understand was in Darwin,
I think from memory, late nineteen seventy

512
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,559
eight. It had just come off
a shift. We're just meeting in the

513
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,920
beer garden of the officer's mess and
now we weren't intoxicated and ordering the first

514
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,920
beer and sitting back waiting for it
to be delivered. And it was after

515
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:58,960
dark, the sun had gone down
about an hour so earlier, and they

516
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,800
were very bright. Light appeared from
roughly west northwest at Albertude, traveling very

517
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,400
fast, about the speed we knew
and had experienced before satellites traveled, and

518
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,800
said, oh, look on satellite
sun reflecting on the satellite. It was

519
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,840
so bright that it really stood out
against the now just starting to become visible

520
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:23,519
stars. And we watched it and
it stopped straight above us. And it

521
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,280
wasn't a case of we've fixed our
gaze on something that was now station.

522
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,639
This thing actually stopped and as we
watched it, it turned about one hundred

523
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,880
and thirty hundred forty degrees to the
right and just again it twice to speak.

524
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,119
Now I knew that satellites didn't do
that. People said I was at

525
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,000
night it was autokinesis, which is
the apparent movement of lights at night.

526
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,920
It wasn't that. And we looked
at each other and they proceeded to have

527
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,280
a few beers and we could you
describe the shape that you saw? Was

528
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,480
it a shape or was it an
outline? What? What kind of visual

529
00:46:54,519 --> 00:47:00,400
picture can you give us? Just
like a very bright star, and if

530
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,960
you are looking all the time,
you will see them from almost horizon horizon,

531
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,679
they are simply satellites. It's just
like a very bright start. But

532
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,000
at that time of the evening it
was much brighter than these stars, which

533
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:15,280
is just which were just becoming visible. What kind of discussed when we went

534
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,679
on amongst you and you're all experienced
pilots or em and presumably what sort of

535
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,960
culture existed there to sort of talk
about that in a serious way other than,

536
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,039
you know, just amongst the people
who experienced it. Was there a

537
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:30,480
way to sort of acknowledge it officially? Uh? No, we didn't discuss

538
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,679
it at length. There was another
pilot with us at the stage. I

539
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,000
wasn't qualified as an Air Force pilot, although I had a private license.

540
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,760
There were a couple of other TYPIC
controllers we didn't discuss it more than a

541
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,519
minute or so. It just we
just changed the subject. I think it

542
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,679
was a mutual mental decision that we
weren't going to discuss this, and nothing

543
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,280
was reported, because what on earth
we're going to say, sitting in the

544
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,880
beer gardens or strange lights again,
perhaps fear of ridicule. About three or

545
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,320
four years ago, when I was
flying the seven sixty seven with Quintus,

546
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,280
it was a daylight trip up through
the Center. Then we're on our daw

547
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,360
and Singapore leg and we were getting
off in Singapore and a few hours time,

548
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:14,960
it was about an hour or so
before sunset. A lot of the

549
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,960
typical towering cumulus you see in the
tropics, and as pilots want, we

550
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,320
stare out the window a lot because
the things out there the key, you're

551
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:29,639
not much inside well. And it
was a large towering cumulus, bigger than

552
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,119
the others off the right wing,
and it was about I would estimate thirty

553
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,079
forty miles away. And as I
looked at it, I don't know what

554
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,760
drew my attention to it, but
as I looked at it, this large

555
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:45,079
object appeared out of it. It
was like like half a large football.

556
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,679
I suppose, but it was I
would say a couple of hundred feet high

557
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,880
from what I saw of it stuck
out of at three four out from the

558
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,679
cloud, and it wasn't part of
the cloud. It was metallic. It

559
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,960
shine, it glinted and stuck out
of the cloud, not fully, stayed

560
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,880
there for a short while, then
retracted back into the cloud. When it

561
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,800
was sticking out, I called the
captain's attention to it, and he looked

562
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,239
over, looked at each other and
we both said, right right. I

563
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,679
didn't know what to think, didn't
know what to say. Called the flight

564
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,199
service director up the front and we
said what do you think of that?

565
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,960
And he looked at it both and
said I'm not here and wandered out down

566
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,440
the back again. As far as
I know, no other reports were made

567
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
by the crew, Nothing was reported
from the passengers, I think mainly because

568
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,519
they were asleep. Some of them
were asleep. We didn't report it.

569
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,920
We basically forgot. It was one
of those things where you see and when

570
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:44,000
it's not discussed, it wasn't discussed
anymore. Was there any other evidence that

571
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,840
you came across in your time with
Quantis that the show that perhaps the company

572
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,519
did recognize that there were incidents and
events going on that they needed to deal

573
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:57,840
with, but when kind of acknowledging
that publicly or even within the company itself.

574
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,440
And the time I spent with Chris
it was about five years. I

575
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:06,880
saw no recordings of reports from pilots
of seeing certain things. We had aircraft

576
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,440
incident reports, the safety incident reports, which were summarized, but there was

577
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:15,559
no mention of unusual areal sightings or
strange phenomenon. It was it was like

578
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:20,679
it never happened. Now, one
might say, well, it wasn't reported,

579
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,840
becuse nothing was ever reported. I
know things were reported to colleagues,

580
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:28,480
but they weren't reported to the company. We didn't report that sighting. Now

581
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:34,760
the opportunity exists to be able to
tell people who perhaps can confirm that what

582
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,400
you saw was real because they've had
similar experiences and they think, oh,

583
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:44,800
thank heavens, it wasn't just me. We have about for objects have been

584
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:51,000
in the system for or an hour
in the Vicinity Core Collective real. Actually

585
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:58,559
they're pretty close to olver sampled.
Everybody here around has had radar at usual

586
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:06,360
our time. The classic lights running
in near the city of uh old Port

587
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:14,880
to twelve thousand seat various observations and
first was one three five and think on

588
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,760
one should have been about a one
four five. I have one in that

589
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,079
area. You have one another area, all three of them in a row.

590
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:28,079
Hey about one four five march ducks
spending these three also right if you

591
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,280
have if you have one of real
nine real or we do not have that

592
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,039
one, but we do have the
other two vatar I stu. I mean

593
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,920
that one. You look at the
north of us, there's one coming pretty

594
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,360
fair and you think you're thinking of
movement, and uh, he's coming from

595
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,320
north to south or if he's going
on the south, fight over everything,

596
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,519
runway, he's right over here,
runway, he's about your hands over the

597
00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:04,559
way over and something right over Edward. This time data sounds of an alert

598
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:08,679
at Edward's Air Force Base in the
nineteen fifties and pilot Alan Hennessy describing a

599
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:15,719
number of his experiences. Former Nassas
scientist doctor Richard Haynes has made an extensive

600
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:22,840
study of pilot accounts documented through radar
and visual sightings, evidence which appears to

601
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:30,599
be overlooked by academia and the military. Bill Chalker has had unprecedented access to

602
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,280
Royal Australian Air Force documentation of similar
sightings and comments on how this information tends

603
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,400
to be handled. UFO or Unidentified
flying object watchers will have to make their

604
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,280
own investigations of sightings. Following the
RAFTS announcement that it won't be getting involved

605
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,360
in the future, the Minister of
a Defense has limited the Air Force to

606
00:52:50,519 --> 00:53:02,480
investigating phenomena which suggest defense or national
security implications. I think unfortunately the military

607
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,880
situation has been characterized more of a
case in containing a controversy. The military

608
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,760
obviously wanted the giving the appearance of
being in control of the environment that they're

609
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,320
responsible for, and that in the
case of the Air forces our air space,

610
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,320
they had a basically a formula that
they would operate to. They would

611
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,199
examine sightings, etcetera. But there
was no evidence of real serious science being

612
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:36,719
involved in the investigations of UFOs.
Their final rationalization, the best response they

613
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,880
had to the UFO problem, which
they could never effectively manage, was to

614
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:52,719
ignore it. Army fighter planes are
on patrol for flying saucers. Cameras installed

615
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,280
a photographed them part in Oregon,
the area from which came the first weird

616
00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:01,960
report. This flying saucer shows how
the air horses, while not putting too

617
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:07,400
much stock in the mysterious things in
the sky, are investigating the control towers

618
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,960
in touch and on the watch.
So are a whole lot of people these

619
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:17,119
days. They're seeing flying saucers everywhere, blocks of fantastic disks flying through the

620
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,400
air. Is there something to it
or is it an epidemic of people just

621
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:29,119
seeing things? Even the goat seems
to be looking for the mysterious discs and

622
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,880
the prayers on the alert. Or
maybe there's a flying saucer with milk.

623
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,599
While the military and scientific communities reluctantly
deal with vast amounts of evidence in the

624
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:49,000
popular consciousness, reports of anomalous aerial
phenomena are still common. In preparing this

625
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:53,079
program, we gather dozens of written
in all accounts from all over Australia,

626
00:54:53,840 --> 00:55:00,800
many people describing their extraordinary experiences.
For the first time, it was in

627
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:07,920
September nineteen sixty nine when I was
working at n N eleven Koff's Harbor.

628
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,639
I was a news reader there at
the time. Anyway, one of the

629
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:17,840
technicians came in one evening and he
said, there appears to be rather strange

630
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,559
light in the sky and it was
it was twinkling. So we went out

631
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,800
and had to look at it.
And where the television station is in Koff's

632
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,679
Harbor, it's fairly remote from the
from the town and it's on a hilltop.

633
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,800
But anyway, we went out and
I had to look at it,

634
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:40,199
and I'd taken the binoculus and supervisor's
office and went We looked at this object

635
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,760
in the sky and it was stationary
and it was twinkling. And as I

636
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,239
was watching from somewhere in the off
to its light, inside appeared a light

637
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:59,880
and the light was just gradually going
and it went straight into the object that

638
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:06,000
was twinkling. And then I handed
the monoculous back to the technician or three

639
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:12,000
or four teps by this time,
and the others saw this light or another

640
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:16,519
light, or several lights, and
they all appeared to just vanish into the

641
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:22,320
light. That was the bigger light
that was there. They couldn't get any

642
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:25,800
anything terribly accurate on, but it
was there, and these lights did come

643
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:39,519
from all directions. That's all light
relating the surface, and I wanted to

644
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:45,280
relate something that happened to me back
in seventy four. So it's quite a

645
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,280
long time ago, but it's like
something that I've never forgotten. It just

646
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,360
affected me so deeply. I was
living in Edophile and I was going off

647
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,840
to a party in Essendon that's about
an hour's drive, and myself and kids

648
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,320
in the back, and I was
in the passenger seat with my young three

649
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:07,239
year old on my lap and my
partner was diving. And about a quarter

650
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,239
of an hour into the journey,
I started to notice this light and I

651
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,719
thought, oh, well, it's
a style or something, and it was

652
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:19,199
sort of moving in an odd way, and I really checked it out.

653
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,880
So during the hour's journey, I
was really becoming more fascinated with this light

654
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,159
because it was it didn't seem like
a normal sort of a star or whatever.

655
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:32,599
We got to the party, everyone
went inside and hellos, and I

656
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,880
just thought I just wanted to go
outside and see if that light just what

657
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:43,920
was it? And I went outside
and they had quite a large yard and

658
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:51,000
I was standing out there and there
was this light and it was moving like

659
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,119
in a jerky sort of a manner. It was like was going horizontally,

660
00:57:54,239 --> 00:58:00,519
then it would jump up vertically and
then it would hold and all the time

661
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:06,719
it was sort of coming closer and
it was like, I think it was

662
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,320
quite far away, but I could
see quite clearly that it was the shape

663
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,679
of a dome sort of shop,
well, a typical flying sources. I'm

664
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,639
like to say that, you know, it sounds so sup it. And

665
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:25,320
then I became aware it was like
a connection between myself and this object,

666
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:30,880
and it was like they were observing
me now all the time I'm in the

667
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,800
yard, I'm yelling out, hey, you guys, come out here,

668
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,199
because I didn't want to let my
connection go. I didn't want to stop

669
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,880
looking at it. I didn't want
it to go away. And so the

670
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
only one out there was my three
year old son. And this, I

671
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:52,440
suppose it was for about three minutes. This connection was there, and I

672
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:57,039
just was very aware that they were
looking at me. Whatever it was was

673
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,679
very friendly. And then the connection
broke and it started sort of whizzing all

674
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:12,239
over the sky from one side to
the other. There were thousand six of

675
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,360
us were seeing some relatives off out
the side of our house and we live

676
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,159
just off the coast a bit and
it's nice and dark, stars pretty easily,

677
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,119
and we saw a red light coming
over and I've done a bit of

678
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,559
flying, and I said oh if
we did get a few combat aircraft occasionals

679
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,000
from Manly coming over and it looks
like a left one eleven, but it

680
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:35,480
was a reasonable attitude. It looked
like probably about ten thousand feet or so,

681
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,119
and a stranger can't hear it.
And as we sort of watched it

682
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:45,239
go over another or a kid and
eventually four or five lights line astern came

683
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,239
across, pretty evenly spaced well came. We watched them go along and they

684
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:54,199
sort of got probably about twenty or
thirty k's away, pretty high up,

685
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:00,960
and the second light just stopped remained
stationary. The others continued after the year.

686
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:06,599
The second light was stationary for probably
about about a minute or so that

687
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:10,199
then took off at ninety degrees to
the original direction it was traveling. In

688
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,760
frustrate and I called the cooling gut
of control to her. They'd had other

689
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,039
cause of the sighting, but couldn't
explain it. Called the bureau better ology

690
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,840
than next day they said they did
have one balloon up in the area,

691
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:29,079
but they was recovered and that was
carrying a white light, not a red

692
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,079
light. So I called the air
billy yard of a left base. They

693
01:00:32,199 --> 01:00:37,280
had no scheduled military flights that evening, so it was really quite a frustrating

694
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:42,639
thing. We just couldn't explain it
and couldn't even hear that any sound attached

695
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,760
to the lights. I was walking
in from my front gate and deff stepped

696
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:52,039
on the veranda. I noticed a
gold orange light appearing over my neighbor's roof,

697
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,559
and it was on a downward course. It was coming directly towards me,

698
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:04,519
As my veranda is only about fifteen
meters from the neighbor's fence. I

699
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,440
thought, whatever's happening? And it
was coming straight down at me, and

700
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:12,360
I thought, well, this idiot, whatever it is, is going to

701
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,280
crash into my house. And I
dashed up the two three steps, grabbed

702
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,480
my glasses to put on, and
as I turned around, it went up

703
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:28,679
through my verandah, almost transparent.
And as it raised up, I saw

704
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,960
the undercarriage which appeared to have a
couple of small skis on it, and

705
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:39,039
it was elliptical and shaped the whole
UFO or whatever it was, and it

706
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:46,599
was a gray shadow. And over
twenty years ago I saw one go down

707
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,320
past my house or four of us
sitting in the den looking out of a

708
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,920
window, and it was about two
hundred feet in those days above the main

709
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:01,079
road, and I called out,
look at the flying sauce that was painted

710
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:06,800
green. It was a shape like
an aeroplane, but no wings, and

711
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:13,400
a fuselage was all lit up inside
and there was a very very black personal

712
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:15,960
object sitting in it. And as
I said, look at it, quickly

713
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:22,360
it just disappeared. And there were
reported two hundred sightings at that stage.

714
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:27,039
I rang the chap here who does
the research on them next day and he

715
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:52,440
said his head over two hundred reports
and they my experience was away, Oh

716
01:02:52,519 --> 01:04:08,199
my god, what did they need? The intelligent life are visiting the birth.

717
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,239
One of the most intriguing incidents of
recent times occurred on the long flat

718
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:24,800
stretch of road known as the Nullaboor
Highway, which cuts along the bottom of

719
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,559
the Australian continent. It was in
nineteen eighty eight that a family of four

720
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:33,480
set out to drive from Perth to
Melbourne in their two leaders sedan. What

721
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,480
they claim happened to them became one
of the most sensational UFO cases ever recorded.

722
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:44,639
John o'cartell, a researcher based in
Melbourne, was at the site of

723
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:48,920
this encounter. Within hours, he
takes up the story of what became known

724
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:55,880
as the Knells case. On the
twenties of January nineteen eight, a family

725
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,559
of four that was a mother of
cour Fay and her three sons to drive

726
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:04,440
all the way from Perth to Melbourne
in one complete stinteth through our south kilometers

727
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:12,280
and they experienced this alleged to a
phone counter. Now the exposed have started

728
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,559
about one fifty seven am in the
morning and went for about a just under

729
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,880
two hours worth of activity, and
in that they describe a tremendous amount of

730
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:26,719
events that occurred to them, starting
off with seeing a glowing light in the

731
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,880
middle of the road and then swerving
to avoid it. Then the next thing

732
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,800
they remember is this object being on
the side of the road and then going

733
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,559
backwards and forwards while this object they
claim was chasing them. Then at the

734
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,280
very last moment, as the one
they turns back towards Melbourne, they noticed

735
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,000
the car seems to list up and
start to fly, and then fake puts

736
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:51,800
her hand out of the car and
catches something on the roof and she was

737
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:57,800
like a sponge. She scimally rember
squeezing it. So it's quite eerie in

738
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,920
the sense, but she put her
handback in and wound up the window.

739
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,599
Not long after that occurred, the
car filled up with black smoke. They

740
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:09,440
got the feeling that their head was
actually going to explode. They all start

741
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,599
to talk like robots, they said. Then Pat looked over to Sean who

742
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:16,119
was driving, and Sean was unconscious, apted steering wheel, his hands were

743
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:18,760
off the stream while his head was
down, and the car and their pinion

744
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,599
was still moving. And then they
all described the car doing two hundred k

745
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:27,760
and then suddenly this feeling of being
dropped out of the sky, hitting the

746
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,000
ground, the wheel bursting, and
then actually spinning off the road and stopping.

747
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,920
Now they actually got out of the
car and men to the bush and

748
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,840
watched this object in the distance,
with the searchlight following them in the bush

749
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,360
searching for them. Then when that
disappeared, they then hopped back in the

750
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,400
vehicle and sped off to the next
roadhouse. Now that's when the encounter ends.

751
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:51,280
When they got there, they had
to refill the card because the car

752
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,639
was out of field. Now we
did some measurements and we discovered that part

753
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,760
the tank was empty. They'd lost
two hundred and six decays. Where a

754
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,519
feel also They describe the encountered ring
a sleeping thing. Infect took them two

755
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:10,360
hours, and the journey should have
taken that long. They lost something incredible

756
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,360
amount of time also or the steel, and they still to this day they

757
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:40,079
cannot recall what happened to them in
great detail. One of the other things

758
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:45,279
I find fascinating about that case is
that pretty quickly the federal police became involved.

759
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:50,720
Now I find that most intriguing.
Can you shot any light onto why

760
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,159
the federal police would be called into
what looked like a puncher on another ward?

761
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,640
Is it No, it's in crawling. I think what happens on a

762
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,359
lot of these things when they You
gotta understand, when the police took that

763
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,520
statement of them, they put themselves
in in a position of ridicule them selfiss.

764
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:11,960
So what we discovered the South Australian
Police they wouldn't investigate this case.

765
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,079
They wouldn't get involved because they're crew
worried. If they do do that,

766
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,000
they've got positions to uphold. They
chasing UFOs, these alleged things that don't

767
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:24,039
exist. There's pack pays money.
So I'll give you a good example of

768
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:27,720
this. I did a case over
called the Melton police encounter which occurred over

769
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,840
just west of Melbourne. There was
three or four Divvy vans chasing this UFO.

770
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:36,960
The area Chief inspector was involved.
Was it crew over the prestation the

771
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:43,000
police officers that made statements. I've
got all these statements here, and I

772
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:45,520
went back there the next day to
get some more stacements from these people,

773
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,439
and I had to arm my weight
through military peoples, investigating officers. The

774
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,800
Department Transport was there. It was
an aerial phenomena. They're all out,

775
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,880
bitch tried to g bug it as
quickly as possible. Build Chorker comments,

776
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,439
there is a about three or four
different analyses that have been done of that

777
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:08,239
munderbillar material, and none of it
from a chemists point of view, to

778
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:15,359
my mind, at least anyway argues
forcefully for it being alien or really unusual

779
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:21,640
in nature. Mildly unusual perhaps,
but not sufficient to support something truly unknown.

780
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:29,359
Now, if the analysis had occurred
in a carefully controlled fashion early enough,

781
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,039
well then we may have had something
really interesting to look at. But

782
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:38,920
because of the way the whole affair
unfolded, tainted by the media circus,

783
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:45,760
it was not an environment to do
scientific working. Nevertheless, the nullable remains

784
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:51,079
of particular interest to UFO researchers.
Contemporary investigators have targeted the region for its

785
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:57,199
abundance of repeatable phenomena, such as
earth lights events which have been linked to

786
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:03,840
geophysical activity. Like the movement at
the cussed scientific data asside is ancient.

787
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:11,359
Flat space is a continuing source of
powerful anecdotal evidence. Those who know this

788
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,039
stretch better than most are the truckees
who drive it dozens of times a year.

789
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,760
When I first started doing a nullible
pons, I did hear a few

790
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:30,359
stories, but I was a puttle
skeptic at the time. But yeah,

791
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,800
threw things didn't happen to me,
which I didn't quite believe at the time.

792
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,000
But after thinking about it and after
reflecting back on these stories which showed

793
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:47,680
from other people, there have been
strange happenings, especially around so Jouna,

794
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:59,760
where at night you'd be traveling and
you may be talking to a driver hundreds

795
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:06,359
of clumblers away, but when you're
sort of looking back behind you just to

796
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,960
see if there was anything following you, maybe another truck, maybe a car

797
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:18,039
who's got a radio that you could
talk to, it seems strange that lights

798
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:25,239
coming up from behind you. We're
sort of following. Strangely, most vehicles

799
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,319
following you, whether you're in a
car, or in a truck or in

800
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:33,560
a bus, you will always notice
their lights are in your right hand mirror.

801
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,279
But it's very strange when you start
to get them on your left hand

802
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:45,119
side too as well. And to
have two lights following behind you, especially

803
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:51,319
in a semi trailer, you've got
no inside rearview mirror. But when you

804
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:56,439
have a single light on your right
hand mirror and a single light on your

805
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,159
left hand mirror, it has either
got to be a very wide truck following

806
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:08,079
you, or a motorbike on your
right hand mirror and a motorbike in the

807
01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:15,000
grass following you about the same worth
now a truck coming up from behind you.

808
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,399
They will always start to talk to
you. But when you get two

809
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:25,800
lights following behind you, and and
they don't advance and they don't fall back,

810
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,159
but it doesn't matter how fast you
go, that distance is always maintained,

811
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:57,000
and so you wonder what is following
you. As I got to know

812
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:03,319
our drivers, they were saying not
to stop anywhere near so Juna because of

813
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:09,399
strange happenings, and that if you
go to see strange happenings, don't worry

814
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:12,439
about it, just keep your foot
down and just keep going, going for

815
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,960
it, just to get away from
the from the from that area. Could

816
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,520
you be specific about these strange happenings. I mean, there's a truck drive.

817
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:24,760
You know, a lot of trucks
out there that's quite well known use

818
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,319
a number of drugs to keep to
their schedules which are quite rigid, and

819
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,479
a lot of the time they're racing
against the clock with their load. This

820
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:40,359
is not something that you dismissed as
like a truckie hallucinating or something. The

821
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,800
blokes which which which I normally used
to talk to you down and down towards

822
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,680
that way, they weren't heavily into
drugs at all. They were family men

823
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:56,000
too as well. But some of
the stories that they were saying, we're

824
01:14:56,079 --> 01:15:03,119
about flickering lights coming up on the
inside sort of parallel with them. But

825
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:08,479
it was only white lights which some
of them we were talking about those?

826
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:13,359
Would we talk about red, green, and blue flickering lights by lights that

827
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:40,840
were dancing? And now to a
most peculiar story last night on the Lonely

828
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,479
Nullabor Plane, an Australian National freight
train heading for Western Australia lost power and

829
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:50,279
finally stopped altogether. It was delayed
for two hours, apparently because of mechanical

830
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:56,039
failure, but the train's crew were
convinced the train was stopped by an unidentified

831
01:15:56,159 --> 01:16:00,319
flying object. The drivers were claiming
that they saw lights like dancing lights,

832
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:05,359
moving from either side of the train
ahead of them, in a distance ahead

833
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:11,399
of them. They couldn't be very
specific on shapes or sizes of the lights.

834
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,479
It was just probably the best way
to describe it would have been a

835
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,239
sensation of light out in front of
them. What sort of country were they

836
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:21,039
in at the time, and what
sort of weather was it? They're in

837
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:27,600
sand June country weatherwise, I am
not exactly certain, but there was sand

838
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:31,239
June country and the track was bending
through this hilly, sandy country. Well,

839
01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:35,319
I understand that the train slowed down
even though the motor was still going.

840
01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:39,359
Do you know any more about that? Apparently now it seems that they

841
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,199
there had been some problems with the
engine. There was a loss of power.

842
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:45,600
The engine was still running. Bear
that in mind. All the way

843
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,760
through this the claim has been made
that the engine was running. The whole

844
01:16:48,800 --> 01:17:58,680
way through, but the power wasn't
being transferred to the wheels. In the

845
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,359
mid night and night four members of
an independent research group are learned, myself

846
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:10,880
included, spend time on another ball
recording related anecdotes. What follows are the

847
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:15,119
stories of ordinary people who live and
work in this remote part of Australia.

848
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:54,479
We are at the moment Michael's running
is cameras on what he called bold,

849
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:59,920
which I take it his fancy term
for time laps. It's got a bold

850
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:08,640
Britain night with bold mess good b
bold. Okay, so what we'd estimated.

851
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,079
It's about eight pm something like that, seven forty eight pm Thursday,

852
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:17,279
the seventh of July, and we're
sitting out for the second night and was

853
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:28,640
beginning to seem a little futile because
for two reasons. Michael spoke today to

854
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,920
Crane and the guy who comes to
the gas and he saw this them last

855
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,359
night whilst we were looking straight in
that direction with our cameras set up in

856
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:43,720
our equipment, and we saw nothing. Now, Michael got a bit pragmatic

857
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,119
with him and said to him,
listening and what distance was it from the

858
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:49,520
evening Star, which thinking to him
the evening star which spot to start in

859
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,319
the sky. Now we're looking.
I can see it right now, and

860
01:19:54,479 --> 01:20:00,079
I can't see a bleeding thing crew
nothing, not a unless we're in the

861
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:08,239
wrong dimension or conscious mode of thinking, I don't know, okay. And

862
01:20:08,399 --> 01:20:15,239
also we've got a story from ros
is it. Roslin is the girlfriend of

863
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:23,239
Troy, and Troy is the rou
shooter ru and the rabbit shooter for the

864
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:29,560
Mundrabilla Homestead, which is a million
eights run by Bob and his wife.

865
01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:35,159
Couldn't get her name, No,
I didn't. There's two. We saw

866
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:40,239
them driving a minimke and there must
have been no older than teen. Did

867
01:20:40,319 --> 01:20:46,640
you say that? Driving from Troy's
house back to the main So you spend

868
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,359
the whole night on your own,
Yeah, that's right. It must be

869
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,079
quite a lonely occupation in many ways. Now, yeah, it is a

870
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,960
bit. I've got a radio,
and that's I talked to a few fellas

871
01:20:58,039 --> 01:21:02,159
around the other shooters and other station
owners and that on the radio, which

872
01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:05,880
makes it a bit better. All
right. We're curious about a lot of

873
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,640
the stories that go way way back
about this area. They've been odd stories

874
01:21:12,279 --> 01:21:15,279
to do with like min min lights. Have you ever seen anything yourself out

875
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:19,239
of here falls into that category.
The only thing I've ever seen, which

876
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,319
I don't know but it was a
UFO or what it was. The only

877
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:28,880
strange thing I've seen was one night
I was out shooting and because your license

878
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,560
for one property is only one shooter, so anyone else is on there is

879
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,119
poaching your land. I've seen lights
out there and they were drew east for

880
01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:40,439
me, and I've looked through them
and looked at them through the scope for

881
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,279
the rifle, and they come up
in two squares, almost like a window

882
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:46,800
over there were two windows of a
house. So I thought for sure that

883
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,560
it must have been a shooter.
So I chased after this thing for probably

884
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,239
two hours, and I drive almost
to UKLO and I just couldn't get any

885
01:21:55,279 --> 01:21:58,039
closer to it. Each time I
stopped and now look at it was still

886
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:00,680
due east and still just see the
two square lights. It said, no

887
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,600
explanation for that whatsoever. No,
I've seen a similar things of that when

888
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,720
I was at Royal Inner, but
I don't know what it was. It

889
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,800
could have been someone camped or I
don't know, you know, he couldn't

890
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,600
really say that it was I and
I was talking to another shooter not long

891
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,680
ago, and I asked him just
to have the blue boover he had seen

892
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:24,239
anything strange, and he explained the
exact same thing to me. But his

893
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,000
wasn't white light. That one I've
seen was white. He's seen orange.

894
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,920
And did he try to chase that
of a sustained speed or yeah, he

895
01:22:30,079 --> 01:22:33,760
followed it, or he's seen it
in the distance and thinking the same thing

896
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,560
as what I thought it. He
thought it was a poacher. He followed

897
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:41,760
it, and he hit the boundary
fence of another station and he couldn't go

898
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,439
any further. But he just couldn't. It was the same thing. It

899
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,640
just seemed to stay the same distance
from him, right, It's highly unusual.

900
01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:54,239
I spoke to you yesterday, and
you've got a bit of the theory

901
01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:57,560
yourself for a lot of the lights
that people see. And it's it's got

902
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,760
something to do with the fact that
this land is so flat, so vast,

903
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:03,079
because it is so flat, and
the air seems to be so clear

904
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,079
here, like you can see the
stars like here, like I've never seen

905
01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:12,600
anywhere else, you know, I
think you get a misconception of distance.

906
01:23:13,399 --> 01:23:15,840
Like the roadhouse, you can see
direct light, not just glow a direct

907
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,119
light fifteen kilometers away from it.
And well, I've had times when I've

908
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:24,439
been out shooting and I've seen a
flash of light in the sky and thought

909
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,760
that that was someone poaching, and
I've sat there and watched it for a

910
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,479
while, and it just keeps flashing
in the one spot. And after I

911
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,239
got home how to look at the
map, and I was dead in line

912
01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:36,039
of a bend in the highway,
and the highway was thirty kilometers away,

913
01:23:36,399 --> 01:23:40,279
and I just put it down to
the trucks coming around the corner on the

914
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:45,319
bend of the highway and the lights
just flashing on the horizon. Especially if

915
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:49,000
you get fog, you can get
all the light can take on weird shapes.

916
01:23:49,119 --> 01:23:54,079
I've seen spotlights from other shooters going
straight up in the air and you

917
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:56,880
have the main shaft coming up like
a tree trunk, and then when it

918
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,960
hits the fog, that just mushrooms
out like almost like a from almost like

919
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:14,079
a tonic explosion. There. Any
other thing that I have seen a lot

920
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:17,920
of which could explain for a lot
of them is meteorites coming through the atmosphere.

921
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,560
I've seen a hell of a lot
of them. They're always the same

922
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:27,640
they've always got a green ball with
a green tar with little red sparkles coming

923
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,199
off it. And some of them
are dull. Some of them are that

924
01:24:30,279 --> 01:24:32,319
bright that they'll light the field up
like a can be a pitch black night

925
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:35,039
and they'll light the paddy cup like
a like as if it's a full moon

926
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:41,479
night. So they've actually hit on
land around here, well, you assume,

927
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,640
but whether they disintegrate before they hit. I found a couple of places

928
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,119
which I've fought with meteorite landings.
But when you tell people, they've seem

929
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:53,520
to look at your strange. But
I showed you the photos and of something

930
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,000
I have seen down on the beach. How do you find you know,

931
01:24:57,239 --> 01:25:00,199
people out here pretty open to talk
about range things that they see, or

932
01:25:00,279 --> 01:25:03,880
is it something you just pass off
as a bit of a joke not really

933
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,359
know it is a fairly big joke
because there's been it's been so popular,

934
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,119
Like they have signs on the road
and they're saying that this is UFO territory

935
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:15,840
and that. But I think that
alone would probably get a lot of people's

936
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,680
imaginations going. When they see that
sign, they start to look for things

937
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:24,159
that maybe they see that aren't there. Yeah, I can see lots of

938
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:28,199
things in the visitors book at the
roadhouse saying I didn't see ufo on pissed

939
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:33,479
off. There's heaps of entry like
that. The thing that interests me that

940
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,039
I would like to know is there's
a fellow in Boulder that died I think

941
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:41,920
last year, and he was known
as a meteorite king, and he found

942
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,760
up to nine thousand meteorites out here
on the Nulla Ball. And I'd like

943
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,359
to know why do they land on
the Nulla Ball? Why don't they land

944
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:53,199
in Queensland? Why don't they land
in round perf And you've never seen to

945
01:25:53,239 --> 01:26:46,760
hear of anyone even finding I know
that way out around anyway. Anyway,

946
01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:59,079
that's about around midnight. We are
now seeded about fifty yards away from the

947
01:26:59,239 --> 01:27:04,479
Mundrabillow Roadhouse, which is the roadhouse
that the Nobles family drove into after their

948
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:12,479
incident, just outside of the Jura
Pass. Anyhow, that noise you can

949
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:17,560
hear in the background is the generator
that's sort of nicely phase shifting in the

950
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:27,399
air out here that runs the Maundrabilla
Roadhouse. We've been set up here since

951
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:35,399
five thirty pm waiting for suspected light
phenomena that was articulated to us last night

952
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:43,119
by one of the girls that works
in the roadhouse. She saw it the

953
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:47,000
night before. And we've also spoken
to other people over the last day or

954
01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:59,279
sail who who've told us other stories
of repeated life phenomena. One that's one

955
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:02,000
of the locals, the gentleman who's
a farmer down the road from here,

956
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:15,600
calls the evening Star. It's very
cold, we're exhausted. It's the time

957
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,279
in the morning where you think,
gee, what are we doing as you

958
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:25,840
apologists? Is this a futile quest, the search for the holy Grail?

959
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:35,439
But on the other hand, the
sky is full of wonders and we're enjoying

960
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:43,159
those. At the moment. I'm
just having a word with Basil and Sheila

961
01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:47,520
here at the Mundrabilla roadhouse, which
is the place of the Noels family drove

962
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:55,439
into and Basil today around lunchtime informed
me that he came in very soon after

963
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,359
the Noels incident occurred. Could you
just explain a bit about that, Basil,

964
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,119
what you were doing and you were
driving the road what eight hours after

965
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:09,359
it would have been seven or eight
hours afterwards we got into Vunderabila here a

966
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:14,319
little curious. I was filling up
with petrol and spoke to the service station

967
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,960
blurk here and asked him what was
going on up the road. I think

968
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:28,479
the sticks in my mind about his
account of the business wizard. He said

969
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:33,520
they had a dog with them and
that the dog was literally pushed out as

970
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:38,880
hard, had forced itself up as
hard and as far as it could get

971
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,359
under the driver's feet, and he
said he'd never ever seen a dog so

972
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:50,680
terrified ever before. The ever thing
he mentioned was a very very strong smell

973
01:29:50,840 --> 01:30:00,439
of ozone, the which which is
a spark you get with electric flashes and

974
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:06,760
like a guest year ideas talking around
further with the many other locals, and

975
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:12,920
we're displayed it's not a thing.
There's jobbed about that match around here.

976
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:18,239
There's every now and then its apparently
some report of something about a bit unusual

977
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,119
camel. Okay, I'm just having
a word with Colin Knox, one of

978
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:30,600
the people who runs the Munderabilla Roadhouse. Do it's a roadhouse? Were motels,

979
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,159
cabin's, caban park, a Mini's, it's a rest stop, restaurant,

980
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:40,880
hotel, motel right this area.
As you'd be well aware because you've

981
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:45,640
got your teaspoons and your stickers,
and everything has been associated for a long

982
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,520
time with everything from the sterious lights
to UFOs. I'm just wondering if you

983
01:30:50,199 --> 01:30:55,640
have any stories or you've seen anything
yourself in this area in the time you've

984
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,600
been around. Did you used to
drive through here? I drove on this

985
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,439
road for twelve years as a driver
in an owner driver. For twelve years

986
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:05,920
I spent out here, right,
I suppose one of the interesting things is

987
01:31:06,039 --> 01:31:10,439
just last night and this. We've
been in this area now for seven days

988
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:14,159
looking for anything unusual, and we
keep losing it. You know, we're

989
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:18,720
in somewhere some other positions somewhere else. You guys witnessed something unusual last night

990
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,800
and this guy, could you explain
that to it? Yeah, it happened

991
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:26,399
about seven days ago. We saw
the same thing. Was just abother's garment.

992
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,159
Was a bright light and it was
turning orange, and at first I

993
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:32,680
thought it was Dougie the rabbit Shooter, but when I came back here was

994
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,560
still miss sobbing. We didn't have
a look, and he said it was

995
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,000
an evening star. But when he
changed his back and walk the way,

996
01:31:39,079 --> 01:31:43,199
the evening start disappeared and we all
know the evening star don't disappear, it

997
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,239
actually goes down over the back of
the horizon. Then we did see it

998
01:31:45,239 --> 01:31:49,119
again last night. It was brought
to my attention by other people who own

999
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:54,399
them own the roadhouse, and I
like that side. It was the most

1000
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:58,640
unusual life. It was quite some
distance away. What the distance was,

1001
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,800
I wouldn't have a clo but because
it was a really dark night and there

1002
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:09,399
was no other forms of distraction in
the sky, this object was very very

1003
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:15,199
obvious and time. What happened towards
the end? Did the object move down

1004
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:18,640
over the escarpment or yeah, well
I had to I was sending out as

1005
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:24,199
the road house, and we watched
it for quite some time, and I

1006
01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:28,399
followed the other ladies more or less
two keep an eye on it, and

1007
01:32:29,319 --> 01:32:31,600
I dispoted it out. I just
weren't so you were ducking in and out

1008
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,760
to make sort of the dinners for
the evenings watching this thing. Oh absolutely,

1009
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:40,359
I mean life still goes on,
no matter WhatsApp happens it. Yes,

1010
01:32:40,439 --> 01:33:03,720
otherwise everybody would start. We've heard
all these stories. One of them

1011
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:09,279
that we got Bob the probably owned
to write down on a map about a

1012
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:15,279
crater that looks like it was dug
out of the ground by an earth moving

1013
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,119
machine. But there's never been an
earth moving machine down in this spot.

1014
01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:24,319
It's too remote and there's no reason
for it to be there. And so

1015
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,840
they both remarked about it. And
Bob's a fairly straight sort of guy,

1016
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:33,960
and very straightforward, straightforward, down
down the lines of a guy, and

1017
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:39,319
he sort of was keen to write
it down on the map and tell us

1018
01:33:39,319 --> 01:33:44,399
all about it. I think he's
fairly logical, and he's probably seen a

1019
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,000
few meteor craters and he doesn't.
He thinks it's a very strange crater and

1020
01:33:48,319 --> 01:33:53,359
because it has these ridges, and
he said, like a like a grad

1021
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,800
has been through it, but I
can't understand why one would be down there.

1022
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,279
That's a very large hole in the
ground. So that's that's quite near

1023
01:34:01,359 --> 01:34:13,520
the water, that's off the road
towards the bike. Yeah, anyway,

1024
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,359
we're going to go down and have
a little bit of lust falling start there.

1025
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:21,800
Mister m I don't know, I've
got this overwhelming thing, you know.

1026
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,600
Are we being head on by the
community around here? Are they all

1027
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,000
pulling our league? Because there's a
lot of stories and a lot of leagues

1028
01:34:31,039 --> 01:34:40,760
to pull who knows, because they're
not forthcoming with heaps of information. And

1029
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,319
that's probably because no one ever stays
more than one day. And if they

1030
01:34:45,399 --> 01:34:47,960
do, then they work on the
property, yeah, or something, you

1031
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:55,239
know, in the roadhouse, the
road hid. I still going to get

1032
01:34:55,279 --> 01:35:01,319
their trust. It takes a while. That's just just murder time made a

1033
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:30,800
big right and just having a word
with Bob, who runs the Mundrabilla homestick,

1034
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,479
Could you tell us a bit about
this property, Bob? And when

1035
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:40,439
you came here. We came here
about eight years ago. There's been several

1036
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:45,640
instances here that were reported as vehicles
being picked up and this type of thing.

1037
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,039
But there could be another theory there
too, that the person had driven

1038
01:35:48,119 --> 01:35:53,119
from Esperance, which is nine hours
from here, and it was at the

1039
01:35:53,239 --> 01:35:57,920
time of the year when we were
experiencing fogs and they could have just played

1040
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,800
run off the road. They were
too they were terrified. I know they

1041
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,880
were terrified. You don't leave your
luggage behind all you You know. He

1042
01:36:06,039 --> 01:36:10,840
has it that there was nothing in
that, but I don't agree. That

1043
01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:15,640
was actually only seven kilometers from your
seven kilometers west from here, and I

1044
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:20,239
was actually not here at the time, because I'd caught a bus that night

1045
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:27,159
to Perth, and I rang home
next day to say that I'd arrive safely.

1046
01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:30,800
And Lassie asked me if I'd read
the papers, because all hell had

1047
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:36,520
broken those here there were federal police. I don't know. I don't know.

1048
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:41,359
I don't know that the witch's hats
on the road, and for weeks

1049
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,119
afterwards, the bus has roast in
on it. They'd stop at the actual

1050
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:49,439
site and everybody would get out and
investigate. And I one account, one

1051
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:53,039
of the passengers said to another year, so I can feel it, feel

1052
01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:55,720
it. You could feel it,
can't you as if there were still a

1053
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:11,399
presence there. There is a guy
that was working out here for some time.

1054
01:37:12,279 --> 01:37:15,680
He was certainly hooked on them,
and he used to sit in them

1055
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,079
dark in the middle of the night
and he's you and wait for them to

1056
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:20,760
cabin. But did you get a
clay success, Yes, yes he did.

1057
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,600
He believe he was in the right
spot, was inducing them from concentrating

1058
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:30,000
or I think, well, no, he believed that they might come and

1059
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:31,920
get him. Even one day,
I think that he was reported as saying

1060
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:36,319
to his wife, if I if
I ever disappeared totally, you know,

1061
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:40,199
that they've come to take me.
Was that in this region to him when

1062
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:44,800
he was doing Yes, it was, Liz, I'm curious that he you

1063
01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:46,760
say, you know about the Knowles
case, but do you think there's something

1064
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,720
sort of because originally when we came
to speak to Bob, I was telling

1065
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:56,479
him they're very close to that time, there were two other cases the book

1066
01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:02,640
quietly exactly and on the same evening
of the Niles of business there were sightings

1067
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:08,920
weren't there at at sea all over
the place. There is an interesting thing

1068
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:14,600
that I witnessed years ago. I
was at a barbecue in Broken Hill and

1069
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:19,479
it was at the home of a
mine manager, and there were mine managers

1070
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:24,680
from several other mines there at the
same time. It was a very pleasant

1071
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:30,159
evening, and there was a light
in the sky and there was absolute silence,

1072
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:35,960
and these mine managers said, after
the light had disappeared after about ten

1073
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:44,439
minutes of moving in the sky,
it's following the lines of load, the

1074
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,880
mineral lines of load. And that
was something that's always stuck with me.

1075
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:55,319
And whether there was some magnetic field
that was attracting it to follow these lines

1076
01:38:55,359 --> 01:39:00,920
of load, or whether it was
an exploratory thing from somewhere who knows the

1077
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,119
words science, rather than saying all
these managers had listening at the same time.

1078
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:10,279
It was early in the evening,
they weren't. There's a chance,

1079
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:14,880
in critics, the chance increase.
These drums are like that too, I

1080
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,479
think Dunderberg, Well, i'm can
induce aerial phenomenal to sometimes I believe it

1081
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,479
can. But in fact there was
a station and a fielder along the track

1082
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,119
after the knowle's business, and he
was offering overnight accommodation, and he'd throw

1083
01:39:27,159 --> 01:39:41,159
the bandy in and he could guarantee
that they'd see a lot, but would

1084
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:45,640
have been old Allan Stewart. He
didn't believe. It's so strong, isn't

1085
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,960
it. It is totally wish I
drew a hole in his face where they

1086
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:55,880
plugged in d strength or the guy
got zapped, that guy that got Zepp

1087
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,920
work for us. You lose because
I was away, He would terrified.

1088
01:40:00,039 --> 01:40:02,439
It was daylight. Yeah, where
to go? I don't know how.

1089
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,239
He had skin off his hands trying
to get back into the vehicle. His

1090
01:40:06,359 --> 01:40:15,960
hands were all bleeding, so prompt. Yeah, No, it was a

1091
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:21,000
bit of a girl different, different. Yeah, he was a handsome,

1092
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:25,039
young blake, and he set out
the door, his heart a flutter for

1093
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:29,920
the time that he was here,
but he was terrified. He saw a

1094
01:40:30,079 --> 01:40:35,800
light and he saw a craft hovering. Following afternoon, I heard the car

1095
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:41,880
of his black vehicle. I heard
it coming and the speed I thought he

1096
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,239
was going to go off the edge
of this scartman terrified? Was he absolutely

1097
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:50,880
absolutely couldn't talk. But yeah,
because I don't disbelieve, I've got to

1098
01:40:51,039 --> 01:40:57,800
admit, it's just it's just too
much too It happens too often still somehow

1099
01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:02,560
just doesn't seem to be long,
but as it's full of things that doble

1100
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:17,600
on. The apparently benign and curious
nature of many of these experiences can be

1101
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:26,560
misleading. The increase of reported encounters
that involve abductions and even internal examinations are

1102
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:30,520
obviously at the most contentious end of
the spectrum. They also tend to be

1103
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:36,239
the most easily ridiculed by the popular
media. Whatever the reality of these reports,

1104
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:42,560
the fact remains that a significant number
of individuals from a variety of backgrounds

1105
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:59,359
have undergone an experience which has left
from traumatized and isolated. Are did you

1106
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:05,560
very tended the chance in che I
know I think in my head, all

1107
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:35,800
right, all right, wowky,
al right, Okay, I'm mistously.

1108
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:42,479
Our program finishes with a dramatic personal
story from a woman involved in an incident

1109
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:47,359
which took place in the Dandenong Foothills
of Victoria in August of nineteen ninety three.

1110
01:42:48,199 --> 01:42:54,199
What is significant about Kelly Carl's story
is that it was verified several months

1111
01:42:54,319 --> 01:42:59,640
later by an independent series of witnesses
with whom she had never been in contact.

1112
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,520
He's Kelly's experience into her own words. And I was witnessed to a

1113
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:08,600
very big, should I say,
craft which had landed in a field on

1114
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:13,319
the side of a country's Victorian road. And I was also witnessed to what

1115
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:16,359
appeared to be I guess I could
say a group of non human entities.

1116
01:43:17,239 --> 01:43:21,199
I wasn't the only witness. Another
car was three other people when it pulled

1117
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:25,960
up behind us about a hundred meters
down the road, and they got out

1118
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,600
across the road the same as I
did. Apparently all they consciously remember was

1119
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:34,000
seeing the craft, a whole head
of tall black beings, and then hearing

1120
01:43:34,039 --> 01:43:38,439
a humming noise and blacking out and
finding themselves back in their car again.

1121
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:44,840
I have a little more conscious recollection
than that, But because time doesn't allow

1122
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:47,640
it, I won't go into details, but I will say that the fear

1123
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:51,560
that I felt that night was something
that I could never have believed the human

1124
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:58,720
being capable of feeling. I was
absolutely terrified. There were physical marks left

1125
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,119
on it reached three of us.
I think the most extraordinary one on myself

1126
01:44:02,279 --> 01:44:06,000
was a red triangle beneath my navel, which was there for about three or

1127
01:44:06,039 --> 01:44:13,199
four months later on. There was
also physical traces discovered on the actual field

1128
01:44:13,319 --> 01:44:18,319
in soil samples and magnetometer readings,
so this was definitely a physical event.

1129
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:26,800
I thought at first, I just
thought I was going nuts. But it

1130
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,960
wasn't until the other people in the
other car reported the incident several months after

1131
01:44:30,079 --> 01:44:35,840
I did, that I was finally
able to quite regain my sanity. I

1132
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:40,079
mean, I wasn't going crazy up
for all, not unless three complete strangers

1133
01:44:40,119 --> 01:44:45,039
were going crazy along with me.
We were all researched separately the day place,

1134
01:44:45,319 --> 01:44:50,359
and ever our drawings of the craft
and the beings coincided, and this

1135
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:56,720
in itself with saying something because the
beings we saw weren't the mass media circulated

1136
01:44:56,760 --> 01:45:00,279
little gray things but sixty seven foot
tall and black and really only heard of

1137
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:05,800
in research circles. All I could
remember, actually at first was seeing this

1138
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:10,960
craft hovering above the road, which
my husband saw as well, and then

1139
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:15,640
a couple of kilometers down the road
driving into this bright light, and then

1140
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:20,079
totally excited, being a generaline pumping, and then all of a sudden nothing

1141
01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:24,560
and arguing with my husband all the
way home, I feel like I've had

1142
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,479
a blackout when we're going to see
a UFO and he's saying, I think

1143
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,680
so. And we really didn't know
what happened, and it wasn't until I

1144
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:35,479
mean well, when I got home
that evening, I had the triangular mark

1145
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:42,319
on my body and I'd also started
bleeding, which ended up putting me in

1146
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:45,159
hospital three and a half weeks later. It was an infection in the room,

1147
01:45:45,279 --> 01:45:49,520
which is well, not a normal
female gynological problem. You either have

1148
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,760
to have had pregnancy which is self
terminated, or from recent surgery, and

1149
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:59,560
I've had neither and or the pregnancy
tests and everything came back negative. As

1150
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,239
I knew that I would so here
if that was quite unusual. But it

1151
01:46:02,359 --> 01:46:10,960
wasn't until rapter On in September that
I was actually able to remember what happened

1152
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,720
between that light and sitting in the
car feeling very strange and asking my husband

1153
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:21,479
what happened here? Anyway, I
think almost with myself that the hardest thing

1154
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:26,600
I've think I've had to deal with
it is always having to be very careful

1155
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:30,600
about who I was frequently, and
that really bugs me. Why should I

1156
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:34,119
have to hide the truth from people? I mean, if I had witnessed

1157
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:38,840
a stabbing in a back alley,
but no one would doubt my word at

1158
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:43,880
all. But because the topic is
UFOs people, how if we think that

1159
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:53,840
you deluded. I've always been a
very logical, even possibly cynical person to

1160
01:46:54,039 --> 01:46:59,840
get with anything to do with strange
phenomena. But I've had a first day

1161
01:47:00,039 --> 01:47:06,159
experience here. It's literally turn my
logic insight out. I question everything now.

1162
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:13,359
I question whether everything I've been taught
and brought up to believe is actually

1163
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:18,079
truth or not. This was not
supposed to happen, This was not supposed

1164
01:47:18,119 --> 01:47:21,600
to be something that was real,
yet it was. Therefore, I suppose

1165
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:27,680
my whole attitude towards everything in my
life has changed. Well, something is

1166
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:30,840
going on, and it is real. It's very very real. There are

1167
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:36,600
hundreds of abductees in the strandom and
every year literally thousands of USO starting to

1168
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:42,600
report it. I guess all I
could really say is, wake up Australia.

1169
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:46,560
This is an American fantasy. It's
an Australian reality. Kelly's case is

1170
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:51,880
now part of ongoing study being conducted
by Bill Chalker and the J. Allen

1171
01:47:53,000 --> 01:48:00,279
Heenick Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. Well late twentieth century society is to

1172
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:04,680
maintain a respectable distance from such accounts. For Kelly and the many like her,

1173
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:11,439
it remains the challenge of coming to
terms with an irreversible shift in their

1174
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:32,039
perception of the world circular. Well, thank you for your patients. You

1175
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:39,560
have actually lived through to catch a
Flying Style. They've brought back so many

1176
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:44,520
memories. I was starting getting quite
emotional there. Produced by Matthew Leonard for

1177
01:48:45,039 --> 01:48:49,680
Radio I on Radio National here part
of the Australian Broadcasting Commission in the mid

1178
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:56,079
nineties. Music done by Anthony mart
and myself, not even under the moniker

1179
01:48:56,119 --> 01:49:00,720
of Jake Kats then, although we
were using Jake Kats and our sound subsduction

1180
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:10,119
nights and dramas. Yeah, So
anyway, an incredible radio program. We

1181
01:49:10,279 --> 01:49:13,319
thank you for your patients to sit
through that. So the first time we've

1182
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,760
done well our podcast without pictures really
for that main half, would you like?

1183
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:23,159
It? Did bring a few things
back from that time on the Nulla

1184
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:27,560
ball and this tea towel's bleeding through
the green but you can see what is

1185
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:31,560
actually a sign that yeah, yeah, you can see that sign. Yeah,

1186
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:36,640
that's yeah, that's the sign.
Anyway, next one hundred and eleven

1187
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:44,760
kilometers you're going to experience UFO phenomena, very Australian and beautifully rendered there on

1188
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:50,199
that tea towel from the Nulla ball. So Anthony mar Michael Williams did infrared

1189
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:57,840
photography, so I said before you
can check out that incredible issue of Times

1190
01:49:58,039 --> 01:50:02,680
issued two hundred and thirteen, the
wonderful weakness of alls Michael's peaches in there.

1191
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:08,319
And I think what we should do
is quickly hit out maybe ship promo

1192
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:15,920
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League Legimate Science, Doug nearly Losti's
life last week's flowing out of a remote

1201
01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:05,760
location shooting Legiment Science too, and
boys, that can be an exciting documentary

1202
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:13,319
between careful people. Be careful out
there in the remote wilderness, well apart

1203
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,880
from you know, just pondering there
what Philip K. Dick could have been

1204
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,600
on about. And I think maybe
what we should do is get David's for

1205
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:24,039
us all from Snog and Black Long
and he had an incredible lecture for us

1206
01:51:24,279 --> 01:51:29,640
and UFO researched in South Wales where
he spoke about AI and the computer basically

1207
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:33,720
being the alien invasion. And he
was heavily into the work of Philip K.

1208
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:39,640
So maybe we'll get him to expound
in one of our future episodes.

1209
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:43,880
Very interesting, Okay, all right, we will be back next weeks.

1210
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:48,079
More hopefully with Dean Bennett hopefully.
Thank you so much for your patience.

1211
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:53,239
That's the first time we did radio
without pitches. That's right, you're untold

1212
01:51:53,359 --> 01:51:56,119
radio. This is down to South
normally is My name is Jay Katz,

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sometimes Jamie leonarda and well before wife
has to see and we'll be back next

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week with more, much love,