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He's known by many names, the
deceiver, the slanderer, the tempter,

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the serpent, the great Dragon,
the evil One, the many handed One,

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the Father of Lies, El Diablo, Iblis, Beelzebov, Beliel,

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Mephistopheles, Apollyon, Lucifer, Lord
of Darkness, Prince of Hell, Old

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scratch, Old nick Old, Harry, slew Foot, split Foot, Jimmy

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square Foot, Satan, and an
unholy host more. But most are content

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with just the Devil, a figure
referenced all over the world. The entity

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known as the Devil is said to
be the source of woe and ruin for

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us all. He is feared,
cursed, avoided, and sometimes defeated in

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fiddle contests. But he's always up
to some of no good, and always

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ready to strike those not vigilant in
guarding against his tricks. Or so it's

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taught. But where did this embodiment
of ultimate evil come from? And why

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do so many fear the goat legged, horned, bat winged, forked,

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tongued, pointy tailed, red complexioned
man, And why do so many dance

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with him, run with him,
shout at him, raise him, chase

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him, turn and face him.
This is not the greatest blurry photos episode

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in the world. No, this
is just a tribute. Everyone. Welcome

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to Blurry Photos. I'm your host, David Flora. Welcome in. Make

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yourself nice and comfy. We have
a ton of ground to cover on this

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two part episode. This is one
many of you know I've been working on

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for months, and it's a topic
I've been more and more curious about as

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I've learned more and more comparative mythology
over the years. And that is the

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topic of the history of the Devil. And this is primarily the Christian devil

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aka Satan, aka Lucifer, aka
none of the above, which we'll get

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to. And I'm excited to share
my research with you guys about this figure

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of religion, which I'll go ahead
and say seems to be one hundred percent

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misunderstood in our current time period and
culture. I have read a couple books

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in the research which I'll be pulling
a lot of sighted info from, including

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Gerald Massardier's A History of the Devil
and the Birth of Satan Tracing the Devil's

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Biblical Roots by T. J.
Ray and Gregory Mobley. Both are excellent

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reads, certainly different from each other, but incredibly insightful in an academic style.

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I also spoke with Jason from the
Dragons and Genesis podcast. He'll be

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shown up here and there throughout the
episode a quick audiobook update and film update,

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and then we'll get started. Volumes
one, two, and three of

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It Stalked Me by Tom Lyons are
now available on Audible. Those are my

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newest audiobook offerings to go along with
Bigfoot Frightening Encounters and the ever popular Living

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among Bigfoot series, all by Tom
Lyons, so check those out when you

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get a chance. You should be
able to get a free audiobook download by

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going to audibletrial dot com, slash
blurry or by visiting blurry photos dot org

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and scrolling down until you see the
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a thirty day trial membership, which
you can can so any time, but

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you get to keep the free audio
book they give you, so feel free

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to use it for any of those
titles I just mentioned, or go out

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and get yourself whatever you want.
I'm not the police of you, and

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Shadows in the Desert is still waiting
to be sold for distribution. Derek said

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his contact has spoken to studios like
ten ninety one, Bloody Disgusting and Discovery

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Channel, so we're hoping to get
a meeting very soon. And we are

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now into creating the bonus content for
the Blue Rays, and apparently you can

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get bonus content on digital streaming platforms
now. In fact, we just had

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a meeting yesterday to talk about all
the stuff we wanted to include as bonus

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material. So it's agonizingly slow,
but it is moving forward, and judging

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from how impatient I am right now, I can only imagine how you guys

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feel, and I sympathize with you
and appreciate your patients with this process.

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Back to the entity of the hour
the devil. The base image i'd like

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us to start with a is that
of the goat legged, horned, goated,

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winged, pointy tailed, and forked
tongued troublemaker with red skin who delights

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in tormenting humans, collecting souls,
inciting all kinds of evil, and playing

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a random violin. Here and there, we'll get into lots of that stuff,

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like maybe he's not just a red
devil. Maybe he's a slick haired,

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handsomeman in a sharp suit. Or
and bear with me on this one,

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maybe he's neither. Maybe there's a
lot more to think about and consider.

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So I'll ask a huge favor of
you, and that's to leave your

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preconceptions at the door, put aside
what you've been taught, what you've heard,

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even what you believe, and listen
to the information I'm going to present

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with a completely open mind. I'm
going to give you a historical and academic

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presentation of facts I've researched with as
little sarcasm or snark as I can muster.

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Spoiler alert, there's going to be
a little bit just to break things,

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but at the end I'll offer a
bit of my opinion on it,

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although I'm mainly interested in passing along
historical context and scholarship so that you can

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have the most complete picture of the
Devil you never knew you needed, and

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then you're free to form whatever opinion
of your own you'd like. I find

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this stuff terribly fascinating, and I
hope you will too. In this two

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part episode, I'll be covering the
earliest mentions we have of the Devil,

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including some sources of inspiration, starting
with the lore of the ancient Near East

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Jewish literature and the Old Testament of
the Christian Bible. We'll jump into some

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more sources of inspiration, then with
Zoroastrianism and mythology from Babylon and Mesopotamia.

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Then we'll circle back to the Christian
New Testament with some important info about the

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Intertestamental period, and you'll start to
see how the figure takes shape and begins

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coming into its own. That'll be
our first part. In part two,

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I'll be discussing the Devil and other
cultures, and this is where it's a

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little murky, but still interesting.
Each culture has some kind of take on

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evil, even if that take is
that there is no evil, and I'll

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highlight a few of those for you
in the hopes of giving a more well

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rounded experience. Then we'll talk about
the many names of the Devil. We'll

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see if we can track down the
origins and backstories of some of the more

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well known ones. I'll then tackle
the Devil in modernity and bring us into

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the twenty first century with how the
Devil got his looks and the popularity he

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enjoys in pop culture over the years. Finally, I'll have a conclusion section

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where I hope to point out some
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this figure based on the information presented. I'll end with my thoughts and try

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to keep them as short as I
can, because this episode is not about

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what I think. It's about bringing
history and context to a concept rarely discussed

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academically. After researching this, I
fully believe it's better the devil you know

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than the one you don't. So
adopt a devil may care attitude, because

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we're going to give the devil as
due and trust me, we're going to

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have a devil in the town.
Thus I clothe my naked villany with odd

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old inns stolen out of Holy writ
it, and seem a saint when most

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I play the devil Richard the Third
Shakespeare's Richard the Third. If someone asks

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you what the earliest appearance of the
devil is, what springs to mind?

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Would it be Genesis Chapter three,
when the serpent tempted Eve to eat the

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apple in the garden of Eden.
While Satan has mentioned several times in the

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Bible culminating with a full realization of
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was not actually one of those times. This is a point I'll circle back

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to later, but I'd like to
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a moment to point out something.
The author of Genesis, thought to be

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written around the sixth century BC,
describes a paradise where sickness, death,

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and sin were unknown. However,
just three short chapters into the book,

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temptation, disobedience, and punishment suddenly
appear in God's perfect creation. When King

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kills Abel in chapter four, it's
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like evil is afoot. At the
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henotheistic, meaning they worshiped a single
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other gods. In Vedic religion,
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unitary essence. Zoroastrianism followed a hiromazda, but allowed for minor gods and goddesses

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to exist and also be worshiped.
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god Yahweh in Israel, recognize the
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pantheon headed by the chief god l
So one might think there would be a

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chief god of evil they could point
too and blame for spoiling the garden of

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earthly delights. We find in Genesis, thus opening the door for Satan to

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stroll right on through. But this
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I'll come back to our serpentine friend
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time we get the words Satan in
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Old Testament, Numbers, chapter twenty
two, verse twenty two. But the

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anger of God was kindled as Balem
was going, and the Malahashem, the

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Angel of God, stood in the
road Satan against him. This does not

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mean Hell's chief himself challenged Balum and
the donkey he wrote in on Satan in

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this case and indeed for all cases
in the Old Testament, is a noun

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meaning adversary, opponent, or accuser, and comes from a verb meaning to

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stop, oppose, or obstruct.
It was written as just Satan many times

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in numbers first and second Samuel and
first Kings, and sometimes written with the

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definite article ha, meaning the In
Job and Zachariah, its use signified a

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role or a job as opposed to
a singular being. You could translate Hacitan

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as the opponent or the adversary.
Jason reinforces this point in the details of

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the Book of Job. The earliest
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a bad guy, They're not of
an evil figure. So we see one

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depiction of Satan in the opening chapters
of the Book of Job, and there

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the character isn't an individual per se, it's more of a job title.

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Yahweh is sitting in the Divine Counsel
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God, and among them is a
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and he's just come up from Earth, where he's basically been patrolling looking for

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wicked people. And Yahweh asks this
Hasatan, which is a job title,

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not a specific name, if he
has encountered Job, who is a faithful

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servant, and this Satan figure basically
replies that Job is only faithful because he's

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been given everything, you know,
everything he has has pretty much been handed

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to him, and he has this
cushy life. He's very prosperous. He

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has all this land and livestock and
perfect health and everything else. And he

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essentially tells Yahweh that if some of
that were taken away, then Job would

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turn around and curse Yahweh to his
face. So Yahweh gives this this figure

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the Hasatan permission to test Job,
but he gives him certain restrictions. He's

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not allowed to attack him personally or
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this Satan character he goes down and
he gets in there to basically take away

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his property and his family, and
so Job's children die, a bunch of

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his servants die, his livestock is
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is destroyed, and he's still faithful. So then the whole scene basically repeats

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there. You know, the Satan
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Yahweh and he's like, okay,
but look, he's only faithful because you

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placed these restrictions on me. You
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let me attack you personally. And
Yeah's like okay, but you can't take

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his life. So then he goes
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these horrible conditions. You know,
he has like a skin rash and just

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all sorts of things, and so
his health has drastically declined, but he's

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still alive and he continues to praise
Yahweh. He's like, well, I

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don't really know why this is happening, but there must be a reason,

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and then the thing goes into the
whole big set of dialogues which makes up

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the body of the Book of Job. But the depiction of this character,

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he wasn't an opponent of Yahweh.
He is essentially like an undercover agent.

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He's there to test the will of
people, you know, to find out

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what they're truly made of. And
the name you know, which basically means

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an adversary or an opponent, it
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He works for God, he is
he's basically just set as someone's opponent.

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In this case, he's being Job's
opponent. And we see this elsewhere in

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the Bible where the name you know, this name Satan or Hastaitan can basically

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just mean any opponent, and it's
even talked about in the first Book of

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Samuel, where David could be a
satan to King Saul. It doesn't mean

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that he's going to be evil.
It means that he could become a political

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rifle, which eventually he does.
And so it doesn't mean that someone is

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evil. It just means that they're
an antagonist towards you for whatever reason.

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And this is what these angels serve
and They're essentially there to be placed in

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someone's path to prevent them from doing
something, to prevent them from getting by

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with some sort of falsehood, like
a false belief, proclaiming that they're just

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and pious when an actuality they're not. And that's the purpose of him.

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In the Book of Joke we see
how a satan's role in the Hebrew Bible

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is one of opposition and obstruction and
little else. In fact, as Jason

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said, Satan's worked directly with and
for God. As Gerald Massie says in

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his work A History of the Devil
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the deity end quote. Other Old
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conjunction with King David and King Solomon. First Samuel twenty nine four sees the

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Philistines send David away from their ranks
during wartime for fear that he may turn

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again to his home which thou hast
assigned him, and let him not go

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down with us to battle, lest
in the battle he be as satan to

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us. In other words, get
this guy out of here, so he's

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not in the way or a hindrance
to us. In Second Samuel nineteen twenty

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two, David is restored as king
after a rebellion and customarily swore an oath

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not to execute a man who had
cursed David. Previously a military leader by

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the name of Abishai wanted death for
the man, and David said, what

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have I to do with you,
ye, sons of Zeroya, that ye

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should this day be as satan unto
me, saying why are you going against

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my word here in front of everybody? What are you this guy's lawyer?

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Now? In first Kings, Solomon
speaks of the times being good to build

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a temple to God, saying,
but now Hashim Melohai have given me rest

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on every side, so that there
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chapter eleven, God is angry at
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and getting it on a lot,
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freedom of their own religions. For
this abominable transgression, God raised up satan

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unto Solomon Hadad the Edomite, and
Eloheim raised up against him another satan resin,

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the son of Eliada, and he
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days of Solomon. In addition to
the mischief that Hadad did. So God

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was stirring up adversaries to Solomon because
Heaven forbid he married a foreign girl and

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let her do her own thing,
literally, Heaven forbid. These are examples

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of satan being a title that could
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examples of hasaitan or a specific being
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Job and reference what Jason just told
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angel of the heavenly court, but
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Rather, it was like saying the
lawyer of the heavenly court. The

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specific angel didn't matter, nor was
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title. And this was what Jason
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Now, there was a day when
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before the Lord, and Hasatan came
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was like, hey, what have
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was like just strolling around earth and
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Job. He's pretty much my favorite, and YadA YadA. I won't rehash

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what Jason said, but the point
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Job, and it was not the
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In fact, he's not seen or
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The Book of Job is forty two
chapters alone by him a devil.

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And then you want to blame for
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I am an angel, and you
are the cause your love man, I

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was your lover. The devil lurks
in the best of us. An angel

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lives in the rest of us.
Angel a devil. It's all up to

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you. I can be wicked or
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The term Satan appears in Psalm one
oh nine, speaking of adversaries against love,

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and Hasitan makes another appearance in the
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he showed me Joshua, the high
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Lord and Hasitan at his right hand, to accuse him. Zechariah witnesses a

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heavenly courtroom drama where an angel Satan
challenges the court to prove Joshua worthy of

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leading the priesthood. God overrules the
prosecution, going so far as to reprimand

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Hasita and saying even all of Jerusalem
reprimands it. So God seems to regularly

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clash with a Satan figure in heaven, but it's not the epitome of evil.

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He's doing it with. It's angels. He's tasked with the sole purpose

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of clashing with him. If I
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and you hurt me, a trick
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an angel, uncommon, serene,
and you kiss me, A love me,

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A please me. And the devil
lurks and the best of us an

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angel listener, rest of us,
angel a devil, I'll do what you

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say. You are the sculptor,
and I'm a claim love me whatever.

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There is a being named in the
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and one could argue was later incorporated
into the legends of the proper noun Satan

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Mashie the destroyer, the instrument of
God sent to kill swaths of people at

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a time. You can find these
entities in Exodus twelve twenty three, Second

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Samuel sixteen, Second Kings nineteen thirty
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It's mentioned as the emissary of death
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Assyrians and to destroy Jerusalem. Here
and there the last instance First Chronicles,

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chapter twenty one can arguably be considered
a turning point in Jewish literature and thought

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process. King David is told by
Satan to conduct a census in Israel.

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God gets angry at this and punishes
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in this case connected with a machete
angel. However, this is a retelling

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of the same story from Second Samuel
twenty four, which begins and again the

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anger of the Lord was kindled against
Israel, and he moved David against them

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to say, go number Israel and
Judah. Second Chronicles twenty one says,

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and Satan stood up against Israel and
provoked David to number Israel. Here in

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lies a theme will be seeing again
and again that of whoever wrote Chronicles whitewashing

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previous things that make God seem like
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the term Satan replacing God as the
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people, even though it has been
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employee of God himself, doing what
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wishes. It's not the figure we're
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direct enemy of God and all mankind. But it's a frightening step in that

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direction, and it's a seed from
which will sprout more nefarious characteristics that begin

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to coalesce after monotheism chokes out the
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festers in the Intertestamental period between the
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Testament and the ancient Near East.
If I am a devil, I curse,

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and I swear, then you rob
me of love and affection, bile

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an angel. If you answer my
prayer, you give me a love and

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protection, and the devil works and
the best of us the angel lives in

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the rest of us. Angel or
devil, a curse or a prayer,

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I will accept your most challenging dare
love me whatever. Before we explore that

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time period, and after, let's
take a look at some cultural inspirations that

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led to concepts of demons and malevolent
forces seeping into thought and literature at the

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time. Love is a familiar,
Love is a definite. There is no

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evil angel but love our motto Shakespeare's
Love's Labor's lost. The time period in

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which many books of the Old Testament
were written, from roughly the sixth to

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first centuries BC, was tumultuous and
rife with war. In the ancient Near

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East, the Achaimenid Empire out of
Persia was sweeping the land as major population

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centers grew. The Egyptian Empire,
long the powerhouse of the region, fell

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to Persian conquest, which itself was
given over to Alexander the Great, and

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then the Ptolemys and Romans. Rebellions
were everywhere, human sacrifice, dogs and

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cats living together, mass hysteria,
almost constant turmoil for six centuries. You

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can see how cultures mixed and matched
with abandoned and with the mixing, new

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ideas and concepts began to make their
way into the beliefs and teachings of the

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many disparate cults that were operating in
the midst of this chaos. But this

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wasn't a fresh notion. Trade and
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In fact, many of the Old
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which predated their writing by centuries themselves. The Epic of Gilgamesh, written

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in Mesopotamia sometime around twenty one,
provided many sources of inspiration for later religious

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tales, including the Garden of eden
Utnapishtam's arc in a Great Flood, ecclesiastical

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advice, giants, etc. You
also get the figure of Humbaba, some

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kind of ogre or demon adversary of
the forest, whom Gilgamesh and the First

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man Inka do fight and defeat.
He is depicted as grotesque and opposes the

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heroes in the story and fun fact, it's also thought to have inspired Greek

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tales of Gorgons and Perseus killing Medusa. You may have heard of the demon

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Pazuzu, whether from The Exorcist or
Futurama, etc. Pazuzu was a destructive

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wind entity with an interesting dual aspect. Not only was he a wild,

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wandering troublemaker, he was also a
domestic protectors spirit, repelling other demons and

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guarding pregnant mothers. What a conundrum. The perfect bad boy. His father,

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Hanpu, also the father of Humbaba, is thought to have been a

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god of evil, but we don't
know much about him at all. It

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would certainly help us in our mission
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but that's the hand we're dealt.
These figures are connected to many evil

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entities collectively called Leelu, with one
of the most well known being Lamashtu,

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a female demon who tried to interfere
in childbirth and could steal a baby during

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breastfeeding. Other demons were grouped within
the Lulu, including the Utuku, Alu,

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and Galou, all with specific roles
and dwellings in the underworld and dark

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and dangerous places. Other notables were
Kilili, an assumed demoness associated with owls

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and haunted places, nice Ugalu lion
headed storm demon, reshef Ugaritic god of

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war and plague devor god of pestilence, and Mote also called Mavet from the

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Hebrew word for death, a Canaanite
son of the chief god El who has

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a pit forethrone and lives in a
land called filth and for visuals that will

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come back later, Howbayu Uguritic lord
of horns and a tail who smeared poop

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on an intoxicated l Basically, there's
a demon for everything, and it just

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seems like if some kind of misfortune
happened, it was the fault of one

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of dozens of entities. Circling back
to the term Leelu, we find an

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interesting connection with the female version of
the term Liliitu, which you might know

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as Lilith. Scholars have debated the
connection between Gilgamesh and Hebrew texts, wherein

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Lilith is the first wife of Adam
made from the same clay, but ran

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out of the garden of Eden for
quote unquote not lying below Adam when he

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demanded she do so. Her story
could be its own episode as it developed

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in later centuries, and we have
a lot of rhet conning of her being

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named the mother of demons and succubi
and big tittied goth girl friends and other

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stuff I would very easily fall pre
to, Sorry, other stuff mankind would

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very easily fall pre to. In
fact, there's four demon queens that came

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out of Jewish mythology, Lilith,
Batmalat, Naima, and Asath. Take

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a pick, You're gonna have a
good time. And there's one more fun

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little tidbit I found that some scholars
have connected to the Lilith the Aloka.

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It appears in Proverbs thirty fifteen,
translated as horse leech but the original meaning

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was more akin to vampire, whether
a title for Lilith or a descendant.

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The Aloka has some strong succubus slash
vampi vibes, and it's probably just a

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coincidence that the name backwards is Hacula
Blah. A major event in shaping inspiration

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for the devil came in the period
known as the Babylonian Captivity or Babylonian Exile,

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following their defeat in the Jewish Babylonian
War. After the Temple of Solomon

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was raised in Jerusalem. Persian culture
influenced Jewish literature heavily. Jason discusses Babylonian

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sources of inspiration for old Jewish tales, including the Leviathan so in their stores,

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you know, the earliest creation accounts
have Yahwe getting in a fight with

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leviathin and it looks very similar to
what we find elsewhere in the ancient Near

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East, where the gods are fighting
against a group of water dragons, and

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they represent like the primordial ocean and
the world is usually just completely covered in

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water. It probably has Kevin Costner
sailing around in there somewhere. Not positive.

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Gene Hackman plays Hastan and now yeah, yeah, so you've got this

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whole like what a world thing going, and they what they have to do

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is they have to separate the water
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to kill the great water dragons.
And these water dragons they basically just represent

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like tidal waves and floods. And
in one well known version of this story

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called the Uma Leash, the young
warrior god Marduk comes up and he basically

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makes a deal that if he kills
the dragon Tiamat, then he gets to

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basically sit on the highest throne of
heaven. And so he does this.

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He kills Tiamat. The carcass gets
divided up, basically the dividing of the

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waters, separating salt water from fresh
water, and a bunch of the water

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the carcass of the dragon gets used
to create the farmament, and some water

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is stored up there. That's why
the sky is blue and that's where rain

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comes from. And we have this
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one. It talks about how the
water gets divided up and there's the farmament

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set up and the water is placed
above it and everything else, and what

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they're doing is they're taking the creation
by combat myth, which gets retold in

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near the end of job that actually
has Yahweh fighting against Leviathan in there.

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What they're doing is they're taking this
myth and they're retelling it, but not

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as a work of myth that has
like a god fighting a dragon, but

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they're retelling it as this thing where
their god just kind of sits back and

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talks and the spoken word is responsible
for everything, which is a comes from

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Greece, and it that goes into
this whole different thing it would that's a

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whole different rabbitrail we probably don't have
time for. But it's this whole idea

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that they borrowed from ancient Greece because
there's a lot of Greek and Babylonian influence

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in Genesis one. So they're creation
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It gets retold in there, and
you you still sort of have this idea

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though of the leviathin and it gets
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created animal, and people begin blaming
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So if you have a flood or
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tidal wave rex as ship or something
like that. Well that was Leviathan stirring

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in the deep, and so you
now have, you know, along with

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a Satan angel testing people, you
also have this underwater sea dragon that is

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causing destruction. And so any sort
of like torrential rains or anything like that

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can be laid at the feet or
the fins of this water dragon. So

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you have another scapegoat, you have
another source for calamity, and so the

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dragon motif, it's wrapped up into
the ideas of this sort of this cosmic

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destroyer. If you remember the episode
on Angels, you may recall the name

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Azazel or Azazel, a fallen angel
from the Book of Enoch. In some

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accounts, he's depicted like a satyr
and has dominion over the wilderness. The

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link to devilish connotation should be obvious. But I'm going to save Azizel for

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something better at the end of the
episode, so keep him tucked away for

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now. I've been talking about Jewish
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which itself probably came directly from Zoroastrianism. And we've gone far too long

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without delving into the fascinating depths of
that religion. There's a nice figure that

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eventually factored into Jewish theology and bridges
us into Zoroastrian demonology, that of the

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Prince of demons. Ass that's the
Greek name from the Hebrew Ashmadai, itself

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likely from the Avestan Ashmadiva, meaning
demon of wrath. He is a major

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player in the Book of Tobit and
the Talmud, as well as later works,

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but he started around the ninth century
BC as the right hand bastard of

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Zoroastrianism's evil entity Ariman. He was
often said to go any and everywhere quote,

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polluting the earth and spreading disease and
death end quote. This proved to

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be a popular concept in theologies at
the time and later, but as mentioned

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Asmodius, was not the end all
be all of evil, an honor held

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by the aforementioned Ahriman also called Agramanu. Sacred texts of Zoroastrianism teach that in

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the beginning there were two cosmic spirits, and each had to make a choice

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to be good or to be evil. The spirit known as Ahamazda chose the

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path of goodness and righteousness, while
Ariman chose the path of evil and corruption.

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Thus the battle of good versus evil
began with Ariman heading the armies of

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the wicked arch fiend of all that
is good. According to Gerald Massarayer,

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it was Iran who quote witnessed the
first appearance of the devil end quote this

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is a profound concept. But the
fruits of Zoroastrianism were just coming to bear.

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There were several stories that directly influenced
the stories of the Old Testament,

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and no doubt Mesopotamian lore before that. But if you'll allow me to jump

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ahead in a flash forward fun fact, six hundred years before Jesus the Christ

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was tempted by capital lest Satan in
the desert. The ecclesiastical Zoroastrian text the

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Vindidade told the story of Zoroaster aka
Zarathustra being tempted by Ariman. The evil

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spirit promised zoro Aster long life and
sovereignty of the world if he would but

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renounce his faith in a Hiramazda three
thousand years spoiler alert, he didn't.

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Instead, he recited a prayer,
and, like a high level cleric in

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D and D, turned undead until
all the demons in arimand fled from his

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Holy might. So these are some
inspirations that factored into a roiling stew of

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ideas during the Babylonian exile and after
up into the turn of the millennium.

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CE. Couple these influences with the
general climate of Jewish culture, a people

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grappling with their lot in life and
coming to terms with feelings of oppression and

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anger, and a stark new chapter
begins with the seeds of a new religion

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and new characters to relieve those feelings. Let's get back to the earliest mentions

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of the Devil the New Testament edition
The Devil, All hair comes the Devil,

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All hair comes the Devil. Old. The Devil with the Devil says,

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I'm about the devil. Look out
fa the Devil. Old. The

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Devil with the Devil says, I'm
you're so afraid of old man Satan.

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No, why don't you stop your
hesitating? You're gonna be a long time

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dead soul. The Devil with the
Devil says, I, you're always giving

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me the dickens, telling me that
life's no easy pipkins. But just as

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long as I have fun. Why
the devil with the Devil says I the

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devil can cite scripture for his purpose. Antonio Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice.

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I'll be mentioning the term Intertestamental period
frequently in this section, and the dry

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definition of that is the period of
time between the events of the protocanonical books

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and the New Testament. The time
span is roughly fifth century BC to first

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century CE, and it's also known
as the Deutero canonical period in Catholicism.

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Many New Testament books and other works
like the Dead Sea Scrolls were written in

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this period, though a solid handful
were written forty two, one hundred years

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after the attested death of Jesus,
and that includes a few books that aren't

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included in today's Biblical canon. Some
major events in this time period were the

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first translations of Hebrew scriptures into other
languages, the Maccabean Revolt, establishment of

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the first synagogues, and, like
many cultures experienced at the time, the

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heavy influence of Hellenistic Greece. This
meant aspects of Greek culture began showing up

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in other cultures, including more emphasis
on education philosophy are in rituals associated with

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the Greek pantheon. It caused a
divide in Jewish culture, namely between those

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that accepted these new influences and those
that wanted to keep things orthodox and fought

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against change. But an arguably bigger
rift was underwear. You can have your

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social ties and bingo for your father, but the things I like to do,

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you stop me one by one.
Now, even if you make me

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stronger, that ain't gonna make me
live no longer. So even if I

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go to the devil, where the
devil says I, the devil, where

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the devil says I. The stories
and the old scriptures showed a God that

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was simultaneously loving and perfect, and
a God that was jealous, capricious,

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and responsible for every suffering endured by
the creation he supposedly loved. Not only

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did every blessing come from this God, every evil did as well Isaiah forty

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five seven. I form the light
and create darkness. I make peace and

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create evil. I the Lord do
all these things. And remember, it

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was God who first told David to
take a census, then punished him for

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it. It was God who decided
to test job and take everything from him.

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It was God who destroyed all but
eight people in a great flood.

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It was God who sent bears to
kill children. It was God who ordered

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the killing of the firstborn of every
creature in Egypt. It was God who

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blatantly supported slavery. This was a
people already tired of the bs persecution they

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had faced for centuries, and they
started questioning the worship of such a figure,

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which was the beginning of their Theodyssey, an attempt to justify or defend

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God in the face of evil.
Why would a loving, perfect God not

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only permit evil but author it to
many people? There had to be another

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explanation, something else that was causing
such horror to happen despite God. This

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is when the Satan Hositan started to
become the Satan capitalist, a figure with

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his own agenda, no longer a
servant of God, but an independent character

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and a thorn in the side of
all that is good. And with the

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aforementioned inspirations from other cultures, it
was pretty easy to start constructing a figure

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that embodied such negativity. Jason talks
a bit about the confusion stemming from Theodyssey.

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This confusion, it pops up at
a rather convenient time, and it

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actually serves a theological purpose. So
at this time, the Jewish people are

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drifting away from polytheism and into monotheism. But when you do this, you

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run into the problem of explaining where
evil comes from. And their concept of

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evil is a bit different from people
in Christianity. So in Christianity, evil

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is it's basically like a wickedness,
but it wasn't that restricted. In ancient

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Judaism. Evil just meant anything bad. So a natural disaster, the word

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for a disaster, for calamity,
for misfortune, all those it was all

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the same word, and it's the
same word that they used for evil.

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So evil didn't just mean, you
know, someone was plotting something wicked it.

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It could just mean that they were
going to do something that might inconveni

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nance you, and that maybe they're
invading your city, you know, or

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maybe there's a hurricane that's about to
hit New Orleans. You know, that

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is considered an evil, and it
doesn't mean that it comes from some supernatural

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evil. It just means that it's
bad news. And so their definition of

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evil was much more expansive, but
they came into this theological problem with explaining

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where that comes from. In the
past, and in most polytheistic cultures,

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you have, you know, an
easy way out if you worship a certain

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deity, like say Hera, and
something bad happens, well you could blame

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that on Aries, you know.
Oh well, you know Aries caused this

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army to come in here and invade
or whatever. Hephaestus made that spark fly

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out of my fireplace and burn down
the house, you know. So these

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these things were a lot easier to
deal with. You just blamed it on

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some other deity, and that's people
did. But the Jews had gotten rid

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of all of their other deities,
Moat and all the others. They had

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been shoved aside, and they no
longer worshiped them. They no longer some

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didn't even acknowledge that they existed.
So now they have the problem where does

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evil come from? You know,
your disaster and calamity and misfortune, And

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borrowing this Persian idea would definitely help
because now they could blame it on someone

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else. Post Exilic writings began to
hint at Satan being a figure unto his

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own, but not fully fledged.
The Book of Daniel, thought to be

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written around the second century BC,
doesn't have a Satan figure as we know

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him, but does allude to occupying
foreign rulers being quote unquote monstrous beasts.

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After generations of exposures to Zoroastrian dualism
and Ariman as an arch fiend, sentiment

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toward God not being responsible for evil
was growing, and intertestamental literature began including

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him along with a host of demons
and minions. Indeed, Gerald Massarier credits

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Zoroastrianism with inventing demonology. Before the
Babylonian exile, Jewish teachings had no bodily

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resurrection, little thought of what happened
after death, no eternal torture in a

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burning hill, no armageddon, and
no one but God to pin every event

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on Persian religion. Did Jews could
finally square the concept of why they had

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such misfortune wrought upon them, And
by the time Jesus rolls into town,

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there's a nice universal conspiracy playing out, wherein a nefarious, metaphysical villain was

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hiding in every shadow, orchestrating every
malady, and most importantly, being the

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absolute cause of strife, more than
their loving God or any of their own

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actions or coincidences. Ray and Mobley
write, quote, the enormity of misfortune

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experienced by the Jews seemed measurably greater
than their errors end quote. They were

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victims and they finally had a devil
to blame, and it was a perfect

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fit. After all, the Persian
Ahriman also carried the epithet the opposer.

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What did that translate to in Hebrew
Ariman hasatan? And the authors at the

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time were like, shit, this
thing writes itself. You have this linguistic

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issue that arises when you start talking
about Areman from Zoroastrianism, which we'll talk

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about later. His full name is
Aarman the opposer, So when you say

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that in Hebrew, it's Araman Hasatan, which is a figure they seem to

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already have. So that leads them
to incorporate features of Ottoman into the identity

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of these opposing angels who work against
people who may or may not be doing

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something wrong. The First Book of
Enoch, one of the more interesting religious

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texts written at the time and a
favorite of this show in Dragons and Genesis,

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is thought to have been written around
the third to second century BC,

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and takes the Persian dualism and demonology
and absolutely runs with it. For Enoch,

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Isaisl was in the crosshairs. First
Enoch nine six, thou seest what

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Isaisl hath done, who have taught
all unrighteousness on earth, and revealed the

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eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn.

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And ten eight. And the whole
earth has been corrupted through the works that

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were taught by Isaizell to him ascribe
all sin. Interestingly, the words Satan

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appears a few times in Enoch,
but it seems to be both as a

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proper noun and as a title.
Chapter forty has Satan's plural not being allowed

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before God. Chapter fifty three,
verse three says, for I saw all

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the angels of punishment abiding there and
preparing all the instruments of Satan proper noun,

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And that's to cast the kings of
Earth down and punish them. And

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chapter fifty four to six says,
and Michael and Gabriel, and Raphael and

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Fanuel shall take hold of them on
that great day and cast them on that

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day into the burning furnace, that
the Lord of spirits may take vengeance on

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them for their unrighteousness and becoming subject
to Satan and leading astray those who dwell

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on the earth. And in chapter
sixty five he mentions mankind having learned all

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the secrets of the angels, and
all the wrongdoings of the Satans and all

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their secret power. So which is
it, Biggie, Are there Satan's ah

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Satan or just Azazel running them up? It was all of them, because

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between the beginning of the writing of
the book and the end, time had

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passed and the idea of one entity
carrying the name of the adversary was well

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underway. Jason gives us a refresher
of Azazel and some bonus tidbits about the

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beginnings of the concept of hell.
So after the idea of the godly kings

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being cast down, that idea gets
merged quite seamlessly with the story of the

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watchers that we find in the early
sections of First Enoch, and the two

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in particular would be Semiaza and a
Zazel. One of them wants to have

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sex with human women, and that
creates a race of giants. The other

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one wants to bring people forbidden knowledge, which merges quite well with the Garden

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of Eden's story. And so Asaizel, this deity who's sort of like a

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prometheus figure, he comes down and
he teaches people all sorts of things like

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how to do witchcraft and read signs
in the sky, like you know,

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decipher the future by listening to thunder, which is called brontomancy. It has

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nothing to do with dinosaurs, which
is disappointing. But yeah, he teaches

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them about cosmetics, which is like
the most destructive knowledge in the world,

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you know. I it's what's wrong
with society today. You know, maybe

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it's Satan, maybe it's Mabel Lane. So Asaizel does all this stuff.

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And because of these things, you
know, Azazel and also Samyaza, they're

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they're booted out. They're kicked out
of heaven because they basically corrupted the world.

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And so this explains the origin of
evil, and it also demotes a

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bunch of these different angels. So
they get kicked out, and this idea

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that these deities or these these sons
of God are introducing corruption into the world,

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you know, because they were trying
to you know, establish themselves as

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a great power. They get kicked
out. They end up down on earth.

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And that idea that being kicked out
for your own prideful ways and disobedience

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and sharing forbidden knowledge and corrupting the
perfect creation that gets merged with the idea

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of these kings being kicked out and
cast down for their prideful ways. And

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these angels, as we see later
in Enoch, are gathered up and cast

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into a fiery pit in the desert, and then it's covered up with stones,

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and there they are tormented by angels
of torment that Yahweh sends to torture

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them, and and wicked people will
also be thrown into those fires to likewise

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be tortured by the angels of torment. All of these ideas will eventually play

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a part in the development of the
idea of Hell and the demons. Like

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the Satans who would go and test
people and stand against them, which were

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Yahweh servants, the demons of Hell
were originally thought of as angels of torment

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who worked for Yahweh to torture the
evil angels, the watchers, and the

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wicked people who served them. And
so that's why it like, it never

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made sense, you know, why
would the demons torture you for being bad

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if they were bad? Because originally
the angels that tortured people weren't bad.

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In the oldest literature, they were
good guys who were torturing the bad guys.

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But eventually people just said, okay, well, everything down below is

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bad. Everything up above is good, and they just divided everything. So

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that's where your demons come from,
and that's where some of your early depictions

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of Hell come from. As a
fiery underworld, it was a place of

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torment for the watchers, where they
would be tortured by angels of torments sent

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by Yahweh the Watchers aka the fallen
Angels. According to Enoch, we're all

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about that human booty. And unfortunately, the misogyny already present in the culture

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was only amplified by other cultural influences, namely the Mathray cult and its penchant

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for fraternity among men, and so
we sadly see a turn against women around

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this time that just grows from there
and can be seen in the demonization of

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sexual encounters in particular. We'll revisit
this idea later, but the concept of

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incubi and succubi really takes hold here
and will go on to flourish in the

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culture and later in medieval Europe.
Another apocryphal book that shows the devil's evolution

602
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.760
during this period was the Book of
Jubilees, believed to be written in the

603
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:17.440
early second century BC. Jubilees is
basically a rehash of Genesis up through Moses

604
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:22.800
getting the Ten Commandments, but with
changes, not unlike the Chronicler's whitewashing of

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00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:30.679
the David census story Jason tosses as
a refresher. So the books of Chronicles

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00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:37.079
were actually meant to completely replace Samuel
and Kings. And what would happen is

607
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.719
occasionally a different group of people would
sort of come into power in Jerusalem and

608
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:49.719
they would rewrite certain bits of scripture
or history to suit their own theological and

609
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:54.159
political needs. In this case,
the theology had shifted by the time the

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00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:00.719
Chronicler came around. By the time
these limtical priests were were in charge,

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00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:07.400
and their solution to dealing with troublesome
theology was to simply erase it. And

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00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.920
the best way to do that was
to replace it with something else. And

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00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.880
so the purpose of the Chronicles was
to get rid of Samuel and Kings and

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00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:22.440
create a new book. So if
it weren't for the fact that you know,

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00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.440
the books of Samuel and Kings were
so widespread as to be scattered throughout

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00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:32.360
the Mediterranean, if it weren't for
that, then we wouldn't have those books.

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00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:37.480
They would have all been destroyed and
replaced by first and second chronicles,

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00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:43.639
and that would have told the history
to go from the end of the time

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of Judges to the Babylonian exile,
and we would have to guess as to

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00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.119
the contents of Samuel and Kings,
trying to figure out what had originally been

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00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:59.679
there. But instead we end up
with two different versions, an older version

622
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.920
and newer version. So yeah,
it was a different group of people writing

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00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.719
a couple hundred years later who or
longer than that, actually, probably about

624
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:14.000
three hundred years later, who wanted
to replace the older version with the new

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00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:22.800
theology. One of the changes concerns
Abraham sacrificing his son Isaac. In Genesis,

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00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:27.840
Yahweh tells Abraham to prove his faith
by sacrificing his son, a task

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00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.000
Abraham proceeds with, only to be
stopped at the last second by an angel's

628
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:36.559
voice. It really is a dick
move on God's part. But in Jubilees

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the story is retold with a new
character called Prince Mastima issuing the challenge to

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00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:46.360
Abraham. Thus God looks like a
chill guy who ends up swooping in to

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save Isaac. Mastima, while not
necessarily Lord of the Unholy damned is at

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00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.800
least a jagbag of an angel,
if not some kind of high ranking demon.

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00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:05.800
The biggest WTF rewrite is arguably the
story of Moses and Yahweh almost killing

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00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.840
him over foreskin in Exodus chapter four. Yahweh gets all pissed off that Moses

635
00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:15.800
hadn't circumcised his son yet and comes
down to Earth to kill Moses by hand.

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00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.760
He must have been out of lightning
bolts that day, or heart attacks

637
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.320
or aneurysms, or runaway carts or
boulders that got loose from a mountain and

638
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.599
rolled down a big hill but got
stopped by some trees and comically bent and

639
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.440
bent them until they snapped, and
it kept rolling, except now it was

640
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.840
a boulder and a bunch of big
logs, and we can say there was

641
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.440
a bear or two that had climbed
up into the trees and they didn't know

642
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.559
what was going on, but they
were really mad about it. And there's

643
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.920
a big cloud of boulder and trees
and angry bears come smashing down the mountain

644
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:46.880
towards the end where Moses was staying, and crashes right into that end,

645
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.559
and Moses died. But here's the
kicker. He was in the other side

646
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.679
of the end, and he died
because he saw this, and he got

647
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:57.199
so startled that his heart stopped.
But Yahweh wanted to kill him by hand.

648
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.119
And Moses's wife quickly chopped off her
n's foreskin and threw it at Yahweh

649
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.760
and was like what now, perv
And Yahweh was like, Goku cool,

650
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:12.719
and then turned and left. That's
actually in the Bible. Jubileese just replaces

651
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.039
Yahweh with m Stima, so the
name has attached itself to Satan's but low

652
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:23.079
a twist. Satan is mentioned as
well, separately and clearly sovereign over quote

653
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:29.920
unquote malignant evil ones on the earth
and now creeping toward the first century.

654
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:36.039
See we have it in writing.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, just finishing up

655
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.280
at the time, begin polishing this
idea in style, and since their discovery

656
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:45.639
in the mid twentieth century, most
archaeologists have believed the works were written by

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01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.840
a Jewish sect called the Essenes,
one of the big three sects of the

658
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:55.360
time, along with the Pharisees and
Setissees. Esscenes practice piety, celibacy,

659
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.320
voluntary poverty, and communal life.
Jason gives us a little more perspective on

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01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.480
them. Without the New Testament,
you don't really find any reference to the

661
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.239
es scenes, which is weird because
they were around at the time, and

662
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:16.760
a bunch of different Jewish groups are
reference, like the Pharisees and the Sadducees

663
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:21.039
and a bunch of these others.
They get referenced by New Testament authors,

664
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.119
but they never referenced the es scenes, and people thought, okay, well,

665
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:30.039
did the Christians just not know about
the es scenes? And then later

666
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.159
scholars said, well, why would
they like the es scenes? Wouldn't necessarily

667
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:39.920
talk about themselves as Esceenes, you
know, I mean, that's like speaking

668
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:45.320
of yourself and the third person.
However, one of the things that the

669
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:52.239
Escenes did was they referred to themselves
as the poor and that they followed the

670
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.000
way. And then you find this
throughout the New Testament. They frequently talk

671
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.760
about themselves and the people who are
going to who were blessed by this theology

672
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:09.920
as the poor and how Jesus is
the way. And then they look at

673
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.599
and say, okay, well,
these people may not be you know that

674
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:17.800
they're not saying the word es scene
because that's not how they you know,

675
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.719
talked about themselves. They talked about
themselves as being the poor because the es

676
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:28.719
scenes they were, they were essentially
like outcast from the Jewish Temple. Uh

677
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:30.480
and a lot of them kind of
lived in a little small communities out in

678
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:35.039
the desert, you know, and
they were very poor people. Also,

679
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.880
if they had any money, they
would basically just use it for the entire

680
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.400
community. So no one ever really
had any wealth. And we have references

681
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:47.880
to like Paul basically doing like fundraising
trips all over the Mediterranean to give them

682
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.480
money because you know, they needed
to buy food and stuff, and you

683
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:58.400
know, none basically didn't look like
they really had jobs. They just lived

684
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:00.159
off of, you know, what
Paul would give. They were communists,

685
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:08.880
yeah, those filthy commies, and
so there they were basically like proudly poor,

686
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:15.039
and they seem to have seen this
as an an identifying trait that would

687
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:22.599
distinguish them from the wealthy and from
their perspective, corrupt Jerusalem Temple. And

688
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:27.199
they would say them, oh,
well, look they're dressed in you know,

689
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.280
fine clothing and you know, adorned
with gold and jewelry and even wear

690
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:39.079
makeup. Those evil, filthy heathens. We're proudly poor and destitute, you

691
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.119
know. And so we actually see
these ideas all the way back in Enoch,

692
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.840
where they would distinguish themselves from the
Jerusalem Temple by saying they're rich and

693
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.119
powerful and corrupt. We're poor,
but we're following the correct path and will

694
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:58.199
eventually prosper and they'll all be brought
low. And we see the same language

695
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:04.360
in the New Testament. I said
that the other day about myself. Yeah,

696
01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:08.119
so it looks a lot like they
were a lot of these things they

697
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:13.079
were doing was to distinguish themselves from
the groups that they thought of as evil

698
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:17.360
and corrupt. So yeah, yeah, Early Christianity and the es scenes,

699
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:25.360
even if they're not the same.
Early Christianity came from a group that was

700
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.760
very similar to the es scenes.
So and it may not have even come

701
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:33.360
from just one group. It may
have come from like the es scenes and

702
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:42.159
the Ebeanites and like half dozen others
throughout the Dead Sea scrolls. It's clear

703
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:45.920
that Satan to them was the arch
fiend of Yahweh, leader of the evil

704
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.320
forces, battling against the forces of
good and gobbling up victims left and right,

705
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:54.079
turning them to the dark side.
In the last days of the Earth.

706
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.239
Turns out that was basically anyone who
didn't think the way they did,

707
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:03.400
include a majority of fellow Jews.
In fact, they called themselves the Sons

708
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:08.440
of Light and believe themselves to be
engaged in a war against the sons of

709
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:13.320
darkness, again, anyone who didn't
subscribe to their particular brand of BS.

710
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:18.039
Besides the smugness of thinking themselves better
than everyone else, with all the other

711
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:23.719
aforementioned tenants, one would have to
think Zoroaster was smiling wherever he was in

712
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:30.000
the afterlife, because in all smacks
of Zoroastrian dualism. The es scenes I'm

713
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:36.199
guessing inadvertently tripped over the Theodyssey problem
in their haste to pins suffering on Satan

714
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:41.440
and his minions. One of the
scrolls, known as the War Scroll,

715
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:46.239
brings up an interesting point in column
thirteen, you yourself made Belile for the

716
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:51.039
pit an angel of malevolence. His
dominion is in darkness, and his counsel

717
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:58.360
is to condemn and convict Belile.
Here is another name for Satan. I

718
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.559
haven't brought it up before because I'm
saving it for the name section in part

719
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.320
two of the episode. But the
point is God himself is to blame for

720
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:10.000
the world's suffering, and I'm not
sure that's the message they wanted to convey.

721
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:15.039
There are a couple more apocryphal books
I'd like to highlight before getting into

722
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.599
the proper New Testament, the first
being The Life of Adam and Eve,

723
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.480
likely written around the first century CE. I bring this one up because someone

724
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:29.159
finally decided to do an origin story
for the Devil, with huge implications for

725
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:34.840
future descriptions. The entire reasoning behind
Satan's enmity toward man is laid out in

726
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:43.599
a conversation between him and Adam,
and with a heavy side of devil's space.

727
01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.599
Oh, Adam, all my hostility
in THEE and sorrow, it's for

728
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:50.599
THEE, since it is for THEE
that I have been expelled from my glory,

729
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.880
which I possessed in the heavens,
in the midst of the angels,

730
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.239
and for THEE I was cast out
in the earth. Adam answered, what

731
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:01.440
dost thou tell me? What have
I done to THEE? Or what is

732
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:06.320
my fault against THEE? Seeing that
thou hast received no harm or injury from

733
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.679
us, why dost thou pursue us? The Devil replied, Adam, what

734
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.360
dost thou tell me, it is
for thy sake that I have been hurled

735
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.480
from that place. When thou wast
formed, I was hurled out of the

736
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:24.079
presence of God and banished from the
company of the angels. When God blew

737
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:27.599
it to thee, the breath of
life and thy faith and likeness was made

738
01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.599
in the image of God. Michael
also brought THEE and made us worship THEE

739
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.119
in the sight of God. And
God the Lord spake, here is Adam,

740
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:40.000
I have made THEE in our image
and likeness. And Michael went out

741
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.280
and called all the angels, saying, worship the image of God, as

742
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:47.719
the Lord God hath commanded. And
Michael himself worshiped first. Then he called

743
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.519
me and said, worship the image
of God the Lord. And I answered,

744
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:56.840
I haven't a need to worship Adam. And since Michael kept urging me

745
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:59.800
to worship, I said to him, what dost thou urge me? I

746
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:04.920
will not worship an inferior and younger, being I am his senior in the

747
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.679
creation before he was made, was
already made. It is his duty to

748
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:18.479
worship me. Now we have the
story of Satan's fall from grace, his

749
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:24.399
prideful belligerence caused him and the other
angels who shared his opinions to get kicked

750
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:30.520
out of heaven, a prequel that
fits nicely into Enoch's Watcher's story. Secondy

751
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.000
Knock, believed to be written in
the late first century CE, adds the

752
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:39.239
detail that a group of rebellious angels, led by one in particular, actually

753
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.439
tried to overthrow God, but God
casts them out to fly around above a

754
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:49.039
bottomless pit. So, with all
this intertestamental literature floating around, writers at

755
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:53.960
the time had plenty of material to
draw from when writing the New Testament,

756
01:08:54.319 --> 01:09:00.439
particularly the now freshly baked concept of
one entity to villainize, whom Jesus the

757
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:06.079
Christ can be pitted against and dunk
on right and left. The Gospels,

758
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:12.159
written between seventy and one ten C
start hot and heavy with Satan as the

759
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.359
ultimate bad guy, the prince of
demons, and someone with whom Jesus must

760
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:21.039
continually contend. In Mark and Luke, we see the kingdom of God threatened

761
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.840
by the ranks of evil who worked
to undermine Jesus at every turn. Matthew,

762
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.079
Mark, and Luke all have Satan
popping up as soon as Jesus is

763
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:34.159
baptized by John the famous Temptation of
Christ in the Desert, though Mark leaves

764
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:40.159
out the three parts of this story
refer back to the Zoroastrian tale of Zoroaster

765
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.880
himself being tempted by Ahriman for where
this idea came from. And just like

766
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:49.039
Zoroaster, Jesus channels divinity to turn
the forces of evil, who all felled

767
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:55.720
their saving throws and had to flee
away from him for one whole minute cleverly,

768
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:59.600
although Satan is a fully realized,
free floating, full torso vaporous,

769
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.000
ever, and by this point he
still fulfills his namesake as an obstacle for

770
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:09.520
Jesus to overcome. Scholars have been
confused by the temptation story in the Gospels

771
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.079
for a number of reasons, not
the least being why didn't Jesus use his

772
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.479
magical powers against the devil like he
does other times? And why was Satan,

773
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.479
who knew Jesus was divine, fighting
a battle he knew he couldn't win

774
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:27.000
by trying to tempt the Son of
God. It makes for a very clumsy

775
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:30.439
and not well thought out of introduction
to the enemy of all good in the

776
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.680
universe. But that was the introduction
a figure born of the crucible of the

777
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:39.159
times, solidified in the Cumran literature
of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and fully

778
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:45.039
utilized with the introduction of the Messiah
in the New Testament. The Gospels also

779
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:49.760
feature a new disturbing aspect of belief
popular at the time. Satan's association with

780
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:57.439
illness and ugliness most likely inspired by
the old Mesopotamian idea of demons being the

781
01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:01.720
cause of maladies. It's now demon
session directed by Satan himself that causes a

782
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:06.199
person to be a leper, have
her crooked back, suffer from epilepsy,

783
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:12.359
be blind, have acne, have
bacne, get a hangnail, enjoy the

784
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.920
show. Two and a half men
decide they should start a podcast or just

785
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:20.319
be downright fugly towrant God, the
good creator of all things, that caused

786
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:23.960
such suffering, even though he had
all the power to fix them, No

787
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:30.039
twas the devil, and only through
the miracles of Jesus the Christ could they

788
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.760
be cured. The original meaning of
a satan wasn't entirely forgotten, though,

789
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:40.319
and Jesus himself even calls Peter Satan
when he says, get thee behind me.

790
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:45.079
Satan thou art an offense unto me, Peter is being an impediment,

791
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:50.840
an obstacle, a Satan to Jesus, but not thee Satan. The Gospel

792
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:55.359
of John plays with this idea,
while in the midst of Satan being a

793
01:11:55.479 --> 01:12:01.039
real figure and the socioeconomic climate at
the time, in political rivals thus either

794
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:06.359
take the place of Satan or become
instruments of his maschinations. It's like a

795
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:12.159
little text mex of Satan the job
title and Satan the bad guy. It

796
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.640
must have been a popular sentiment,
though, as Paul's writings post Gospels seem

797
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:20.239
to continue the trend of branding anyone
who thought differently than he did as being

798
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:25.800
under the influence of the devil or
needing to be sent to the devil via

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exile. That is some spicy forgiveness, I tell you what. Satan thus

800
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:38.319
moves on from Jesus and becomes Paul's
main rival. Ironically, it's Paul who

801
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:44.960
suffers from some kind of mystery illness
variously interpreted as anything from epilepsy to conjunctive

802
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.119
vitus and something I just pointed out
that in anyone else would have been considered

803
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:56.000
demonic possession. The two never meet
in the Paul line works. But Paul

804
01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:00.000
sure thinks Satan works through other people
to stop what Paul is trying to accomplish.

805
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:05.279
Satan here is taking on a more
refined role, not just hiding in

806
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:12.439
shadows or ordering minions around. He's
actively influencing human beings and getting into their

807
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:15.399
minds. But let's go ahead and
get to the good stuff, the superci

808
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:20.000
and final form Satan takes in the
Bible and the Book of Revelation, the

809
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:27.279
ever popular apocalyptic genre was something Jews
and Christians alike found maccabley appealing, and

810
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:33.319
in John of Patmosa's siminar work,
the evil One did not disappoint. Despite

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01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:38.760
the metaphors alluding to Rome and its
oppression of Jewish and Christian culture, the

812
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:44.720
symbolism found in Revelation transcended its original
purpose and became a whole slew of new

813
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.520
characters and settings for future church leaders
to play with. That's not to say

814
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:53.840
there aren't depictions of an actual figure
of true evil that were also meant that

815
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:58.920
way, but these two came from
centuries of borrowing and mixing concepts of evil

816
01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:04.680
from other cultures for a variety of
reasons, as previously discussed. Equivalences abound

817
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:10.920
in Revelation, meaning a certain beast
equates to a certain empire or ruler,

818
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.720
and according to John, association or
following of said empire or ruler equated to

819
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:20.039
worship of Satan. In the book, we see how the idea of taking

820
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:25.600
pressure of sin off of God or
the Jewish people themselves comes to a head

821
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:30.279
and has applied to a whole army
of evil, a whole malicious force that

822
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:35.760
has conspired against the world behind the
scenes all along. Scapegoat is a term

823
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:40.920
I've avoided using because I'm going to
go into marvelous detail about it in part

824
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:45.439
two. But suffice it to say
that was the agenda ever since the Intertestamental

825
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:51.239
period, and one could argue since
the Babylonian exile. The horrors of Revelation

826
01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:56.359
are a train wreck. Readers couldn't
take their eyes off of, and it

827
01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:01.600
was easy for future leaders to point
at and inspire fear in adherence. Revelation

828
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:06.920
showed how powerful Satan supposedly was,
and people could fully see the threat they

829
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:13.960
faced in vivid detail. I'm also
avoiding many descriptions and names of the devil

830
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:17.399
here again because I'll be discussing them
in detail in Part two, things like

831
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:26.520
visuals, the ancient Serpent, the
Great Dragon, etc. Coming out of

832
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:30.039
the New Testament. We're going to
take a quick jaunt through history with some

833
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.880
examples of how Satan was perceived and
evolved. You might be able to guess

834
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:38.920
the trajectory of this arc as wild
things often get more and more extreme with

835
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:43.119
time, and this kind of progression
can be seen in a couple of sects

836
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:47.039
in the first century CE. A
while back, we covered the topic of

837
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:53.640
Gnosticism on the show, an offshoot
of Judeo Christianity that focused on personal spiritual

838
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:59.680
knowledge and had its own set of
concepts that weren't exactly in line with Judaism

839
01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:05.239
or Christianity, but derived from both. To them, anything material, anything

840
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:12.800
physical experienced on earth was evil.
Evil had always existed, meaning the devil

841
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:19.439
had always existed. Apologies to Jesus, I guess who had to be incarnated

842
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.439
in physical form in a place world
by the devil, meaning he was evil

843
01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:28.520
since he was material. Crazily enough, this idea bopped around for centuries,

844
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.960
with church leaders constantly trying to figure
out how to use it or lose it.

845
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:36.760
In those centuries, it seems the
origin and purpose of the devil was

846
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:42.520
lost by appearances. Everyone knew there
was a devil and that he was bad,

847
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.000
but had no idea where he came
from or why he was there.

848
01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:48.600
And this is what I like to
call the cottony joe period of Satan.

849
01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:55.760
The neophied Christian Church struggled to answer
these questions, as well as the Odyssey,

850
01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.880
which books to include in a standardized
canon, and what to do about

851
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.960
sinners and encounters with the many things
perceived as evil in the world. They

852
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:10.119
questioned whether the devil could be saved
or whether any perceived instance of him should

853
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:14.319
be eradicated, and when a church
leader spoke up and tried to establish an

854
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.439
opinion or take a stand, if
that idea didn't satisfy or agree with the

855
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:24.720
slim majority of the other leaders,
that leader was excommunicated. Bickering and in

856
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:29.720
fighting were constant. Was a shit
show, But instead of truly assessing the

857
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:32.199
background of the devil and how he
got to where he was, the church

858
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:36.920
decided it was best to just figure
out ways to punish those who thought slightly

859
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:45.159
differently and further index Satan and his
minions existence. The Synod of Constantinople and

860
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.680
five forty three CE was a meeting
to condemn the writings and views of the

861
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:55.479
third century CE Christian scholar Origin of
Alexandria. But it also codified their stance

862
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.600
on certain demonic matters, eg that
Christ can't be arcrificed on behalf of demons

863
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:05.199
as well as humans, and that
any punishment of demons and impious humans will

864
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:12.000
be forever and they will never be
restored, whether they knew or cared or

865
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:15.640
not. This was the seed planted
for future inquisitions and witch hunts to grow.

866
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:21.039
Meanwhile, the ghost of Gnosticism was
still flitting about, this time,

867
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:27.479
making its home in Europe. Between
the twelfth and fourteenth centuries CE, a

868
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.920
movement known as the Cathars popped up
around France. Among other beliefs, they

869
01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:38.279
rejected the concept of Jesus having a
physical incarnation, that he was resurrected,

870
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:43.119
that baptism was a false sacrament,
and that there are two gods, one

871
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.079
good one bad, which struggle for
power and may or may not have been

872
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:51.119
two forms of the same entity.
Basically, they thought the God of the

873
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:58.079
Old Testament was evil and created the
physical world which was evil. Humans were

874
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.399
actually angels who had been seduced by
Satan and forced to spend an eternity in

875
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:06.920
a reincarnation loop in Satan's physical realm. The only way to break the cycle

876
01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:13.680
was to renounce the material self.
These beliefs are thought to have been influenced

877
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:18.920
by the asceticism of early Gnostics,
and possibly by Buddhism coming over through Byzantine

878
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:27.399
trade routes in the Silk Road.
Catharism was not popular, not on the

879
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.359
whole anyway, and in fact,
the Catholic Church, annoyed that they couldn't

880
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:34.680
reign in the Cathars, ordered a
crusade against them in twelve o eight.

881
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:42.119
This led to a massacre in twelve
oh nine, where at least seven thousand

882
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.760
men, women and children, Cathars
and Catholics who stood with them alike were

883
01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:51.479
slaughtered by Catholic forces. Morbid fact, it's also said to be where the

884
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:59.560
phrase kill them all the Lord will
recognize his own came from. By the

885
01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:03.960
fourteen century, the Cathars were all
but exterminated through Catholic efforts. Hey,

886
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:08.960
by the way, the Devil's evil
just thought I'd throw that out there,

887
01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:12.119
you know, no reason. In
particular, the devil's evil. It's the

888
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:17.119
devil that's evil. During this period
of interfaith warring Pope Innocent, the Third

889
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:25.000
Harhar convened the fourth Latter in Council
between twelve thirteen and twelve fifteen. Among

890
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:30.600
other stuff like calling for the Fifth
Crusade, Innocent issued seventy one cannons or

891
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:36.319
edicts, which established the church's official
position on everything from elections and marriage to

892
01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:43.680
cleaning and taking notes at trial proceedings. Hey man, he had two years

893
01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:46.079
to make all these up. They're
not all going to be gold. And

894
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:51.119
yes, Satan was discussed in one
cannon. In fact, a monumental decree

895
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:57.600
came in the First Canon with the
passage saying the devil and the other demons

896
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:03.159
were indeed created by God good,
but they became bad through themselves. Man,

897
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:11.520
however, sinned at the suggestion of
the devil. That's huge. The

898
01:21:11.680 --> 01:21:16.039
church officially recognized that the devil was
created by God and that man had sinned

899
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:21.199
at the devil's suggestion, which only
reinforced the idea that the serpent in the

900
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:28.279
Garden of Eden was Satan himself.
No mention, however, of how or

901
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:34.199
why the devil had become evil decree
after decree rained down from on high with

902
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:41.920
language such as, we excommunicate an
anathematize every heresy that raises against the Holy

903
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:46.520
Orthodox and Catholic Faith, which we
have above explained, condemning all heretics,

904
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:53.159
under whatever names they may be known. Those being handed over to the secular

905
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:58.680
rulers of their bailis, let them
be abandoned to be punished with due justice.

906
01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:04.399
Canon three. And since the soul
is far more precious than the body,

907
01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:09.760
we forbid, under penalty of anathema, that a physician advised a patient

908
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:15.399
to have a recourse to sinful means
for the recovery of bodily health. Canon

909
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:19.119
twenty two. We ordain that the
predates of the Church be more willing and

910
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:27.319
energetic in punishing evil words. Canon
fifty five. Jews are not to be

911
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:32.319
given public offices. Anyone instrumental in
doing this is to be punished. Canon

912
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:38.199
sixty nine, The one about the
physicians basically saying you got to call for

913
01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:42.640
a priest before you do anything as
a doctor to a person who needs a

914
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:49.119
doctor. The word punish or punishment
is in their fifty five times. The

915
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:55.560
word love is in there twice,
always following the word fear, once for

916
01:22:55.680 --> 01:23:00.439
what motivates one's witness testimony, and
once for what crusaders must have in their

917
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.920
eyes, quote unquote, the fear
and love of God. Most of the

918
01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:08.680
rest of the punishments mentioned in the
Canons pertained to the punishment of clerics and

919
01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.800
church leaders. But I bring this
up to give you an idea of how

920
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:17.399
language like this and future popal decrees
led to countless slaughtering and maskring for the

921
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:26.159
next seven hundred years at least,
crusades, inquisitions which hunts, conversion missions,

922
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:31.359
gold land, and righteous fanaticism swept
across the world, all under the

923
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:38.960
approval, perhaps even glee, of
the papacy. I will not attempt to

924
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:44.800
go over every instance of these types
of zealotry through history, because the podcast

925
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:46.840
would never end. And I love
you and I don't want you to be

926
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:51.479
punished, and that's a decree from
Pope David Canon for twenty sixty nine.

927
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:59.119
Nor will we hit every example of
perceived devilry otherwise throughout history. But I

928
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.520
do have just a few more big
ones to pin on here in this section.

929
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:09.640
In thirteen twenty one, Italian poet
Dante Alighieri finishes his infamous The Divine

930
01:24:09.720 --> 01:24:15.000
Comedy, and his first part,
Inferno, provides a brand new imaginative mythology

931
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:20.479
of the devil, complete with a
visceral map of Hell. His work would

932
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:26.840
inspire depictions and descriptions of Satan and
his home to this day. More detail

933
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:31.119
on that later, fourteen thirty one, a nineteen year old woman is burned

934
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:36.359
at the stake and ruined France for
the crime of public heresy. The pro

935
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:43.680
English church officials condemned her for wearing
male clothing, having visions deemed demonic,

936
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:47.720
and refusing to submit to the Church's
judgment. That, of course, was

937
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.439
Joan of arc now a patron saint
of France. Too little, too late.

938
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:58.680
In another example of supreme irony,
Joan claimed God had given her divine

939
01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:02.720
guidance on defeating the English and installing
Charles the seventh of France to the throne.

940
01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:10.319
An intensely pious and devoted Catholic,
Joan made the mistake of getting in

941
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:13.800
the way of politics with the cherry. On top of being a strong,

942
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:18.439
willed, capable woman. The trial
was a foregone conclusion, as the mostly

943
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:24.640
pro English clergy, as well as
the University of Paris representatives who participated in

944
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:29.439
the trial were invested in a dual
monarchy, with the English king at the

945
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:33.399
forefront. In this case, though
they didn't stop it. The Catholic Church

946
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:38.880
was not the responsible party for the
atrocity, whichwas the politics of the English.

947
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:43.880
What did the deed, But it
is an example of something that had

948
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:48.319
been happening and would continue to happen
with the devil to blame something. Gerald

949
01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:56.239
Massardier wrote very eloquently, quote the
accusation against Joan is a clear precursor of

950
01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:00.560
the greatest tragedy of modern times,
the universal edification of the devil, with

951
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:09.880
whatever is different end quote. Sixteen
sixty seven, English poet John Milton completes

952
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:14.560
his first edition of the epic poem
Paradise Lost, a creative narrative of the

953
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:18.520
fall of Man's story. From this
work, we can point to several examples

954
01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:21.960
of future perceptions of the devil,
not the least of which is how Milton

955
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:29.359
personifies Satan's fervor in warring against God
and the angels and perpetrating evil, and

956
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:34.840
Milton's outright presentation of Satan as the
snake in the Garden of Eden. Milton

957
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:40.800
follows the secondy knocktale of Satan's fall
from heaven along with his followers and the

958
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.680
now winged Satan is free to fly
between Hell and Earth to stir up trouble

959
01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:50.840
and seek dominion over Paradise. The
idea all but guaranteed the notion of the

960
01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:58.920
fall from Grace narrative over any other
Satan origin stories. Interestingly, scholars and

961
01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:02.359
authors over the years have come to
regard the character of Satan in Paradise Lost

962
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:09.640
as the sympathetic hero of the story, a complex character with desires and goals,

963
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:15.199
driven by the statement that its quote
better to reign and Hell than serve

964
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:21.159
in Heaven end quote. Satan began
really filling out a more three D image

965
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:28.800
than previously portrayed, and by the
eighteenth century, the devi Ill was involved

966
01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:32.680
in everything bad, even to the
point of ridiculousness, as exemplified in Daniel

967
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:38.840
Defoe's seventeen twenty six work The Political
History of the Devil, in which Satan

968
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.960
influenced many events of the past,
including making a pact with Oliver Cromwell.

969
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.840
Satan promised Cromwell power as far as
the title of Protector, but not King

970
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:55.119
of England, a term of the
contract that eventually made Cromwell so angry his

971
01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:11.279
spleen burst and he died. Couldn't
have happened to a better guy? Do

972
01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:19.239
some folks? Then go delos deaver
know some folks, says then, oh

973
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:28.760
you devils, dead devils, Tom, delve on that hit on my bed,

974
01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:36.680
My beds my Tom, devel hit
on my my bed. Go away,

975
01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:45.840
Delve del leave me alone, leave
me go way down, de leave

976
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:51.680
me alone, leave me. This
will be the station where the train stops

977
01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:56.840
for now, halfway through our journey
to learn how the Devil came to be

978
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:01.039
and evolved through history. We've covered
a hell of a lot of ground,

979
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:05.760
literally, but we have a lot
more to cover. In Part two,

980
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:11.960
I'll talk about the devils of other
cultures, since we've been focused primarily on

981
01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:16.079
the Judeo Christian and Ancient Near East
mythology so far. I'll also be breaking

982
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:19.920
down the origin of many of the
host of names associated with the Devil,

983
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:26.680
including Lucifer Biel's above, Mephistopheles,
Beli'll, etc. Etc. Then we'll

984
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.960
talk about the evolution of the Devil's
appearance through the years and his portrayal and

985
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:35.239
pop culture in the nineteenth to twenty
first centuries, and I'll conclude with a

986
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:42.920
strong look at the philosophical, cultural, and socio political implications this character has

987
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:47.239
had on the world. Stay tuned. If you miss it, you're gonna

988
01:29:47.279 --> 01:30:00.800
have the devil to pay the bottom
Oyle pocket book bottom ayu will be seeing

989
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:10.000
when you won't do nothing? Body
shaan't I I don't have to do nothing,

990
01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:20.239
but was sha't? When you marry
marry real oald May, when you

991
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:28.640
marry married real, own name,
living to your son or donal

