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your first purchase of tickets, James, let's talk about news. The Bengals
lose a coach, they gain a couple of coaches. Well, they make
a couple of promotions, they hire one coach. They're still in a coaching
deficit, and we'll talk about that as well, but let's get the facts
of the matter out of the way before we dive into analysis. Yeah,
they're down what an assistant linebackers coach technically would be the one that they're down.
So we'll see there. But yeah, three new coaches and are three
coaching changes, to be clear. One new coach, and I think this
is the surprise. Justin Rascotti, past game coordinator, and then Brad Kraigthorpe.
I think everybody knew he was going to be the quarterbacks coach and it
was just a matter of when. And so that's a fish. And then
the other surprise, And it's a surprise because we hadn't really talked about other
potential departures. And the guy that I kind of thought might have a chance
this offseason to become an offensive coordinator not necessarily a defensive coordinator, was Troy
Walters. But it looks like he's going to stay. But the Bengals lose
secondary coach and also safety's coach, And why am I forgetting his name?
Now? It's my guy, Robert Livingston. It took me a second,
but Jordan Kovacs is replacing him in that role. What I think is kind
of cool about the two promotions. Both guys entered with Zak in twenty nineteen
have been on Zach staff the entire time, and I think Cragthorpe and Kovacs
have both grown. But you lose a guy in Livingston. He's been around
for nine years, helped develop Jesse Bates, the Baits Bell combo. We
all talk about how good it was. Robert Livingston had a big role in
that, and we could talk more about the loss. But yeah, those
are the three moves, and I think the past game coordinator is probably the
biggest surprise, followed by Livingston's departure. And then third and probably the least
surprising is the fact that Brad craig Thorpe is the new quarterbacks coach. Yeah,
I'm encouraged by the fact that they backfilled for brag Kragthorpe's promotion to quarterbacks
coach. And we'll talk more we'll talk a lot about what Justin Roscotti is
probably going to do for the Bengals, why the hire makes sense, what
his background is. But I do want them still to backfill for Jordan Kovach.
And it's going to be interesting on Kovach to see which of us was
pronouncing that name correctly. I think it's Kovatch. I think that's how the
CS is pronounced at the end of that one. So we'll find I will
bet you let's see here, I'm just checking to make sure. I'll bet
you a week worth of door dash. We could bet a Nissan, a
brand new Nissan that it's a little bitch both trying to look at me,
trying to get jig lisz go here with names. Well, yeah, with
names, I'm not very confident. Like maybe you'll get five dollars on the
line here maybe and I think that it's actually Kovach. But anyway, point
is I would like them to backfill these these coaching positions some somehow. It
doesn't have to be the exact same position, but you see where these assistants
are elevated and build themselves, So it's one it's a coaching pipeline thing for
the Bengals where if you can continue to develop coaches in a way that you
are confident in their ability to take on bigger roles in the future, that
enables you to have some continuity going forward and enables you to promote from within,
as the Bengals did with Cragthorpe and Kovach, and I think that that
is there are some upsides there right in Kovach a former safety. I know
he was a linebacker's coach for the Bengals, assistant linebacker coach for the Bengals,
but played safety, so has experienced that way. Kragthorpe came up through
LSU, worked with Joe Burrow at LSU for a year before joining Zach Taylor's
staff. Obviously familiarity there has been working as an offensive assistant for quite a
while, has been seen as an descending coach, I think for quite a
while, so that one also makes a lot of sense. And then losing
Livingston a bit of a surprise, Like you said, agree with all that.
So all of this to say, from an infrastructure perspective, you're losing
labor when you lose Brian Callahan. When you promote from within to replace,
You're losing labor when when you lose Robert Livingston, you promote from within to
replace, and so I'm still hoping that they make another higher defensive assistant somewhere,
just so that the work that Kovach was doing in his previous role is
filled, because you're losing time on task for those guys. And it looks
like you're very confident in what you found is a pronunciation, because I also
looked this up before I said anything. According to Big ten Network, it's
Kovacs, so we were there's no no ch pronunciation there, so that's Big
ten Network. That's when Kovacs was thriving for the Wolverines. But maybe it's
it's dead wrong. I didn't look in the Bengals pronunciation guide to see if
it's. If it's there, it will be now regardless because he's a position
coach and so we'll see. But hopefully you just got a chance to ask
him at some point. We could also go look for the University of Michigan
pronunciation guide from two thousand, the Media Guy from twenty twelve or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and look can very well be I
mean, maybe it's either way. I don't know. Good thing we didn't
bet either way, because I could have gotten wrong too, But the point
is to your point and what we can dive into past game coordinator in a
minute and all of those things. But I agree with you. You're a
coach down now, and I do like that that these guys have developed.
You're talking about a guy in Kovac that play the game and played in the
NFL for multiple years and then slowly works his way up, gets here in
twenty nineteen and works his way up and now gets to work with safeties in
the NFL exclusively for the first time in a while. Now he'll work with
the secondary too. But what a big what a big spot for this secondary
to be in a lot of young, I think hungry athletic players that need
to take a step forward. And Zach Taylor looked at this and said,
yeah, Jordan Kovax is the guy to get the most out of them.
So hopefully he can't write whether it's DJ Turner, Dax Hill, obviously Jordan
Battle. This is a big, big off season and twenty twenty four is
gonna be a big season for those guys. One hundred percent agree there,
And we're gonna have to talk about the impact on those safeties because Livingston,
you know, for the year the safety's just had and what have you done
for me lately? Kind of league. Maybe some people are glad to see
change for safeties and hoping to see some improvement with a coaching change there.
But he did a pretty good job with Jesse Bates and and Voon Bell prior
to the change at safety. So we we'll have to talk about the impact
there because you do lose some continuity and I have a lot to say about
Justin Roscotti. Actually, at first I was very confused by this hire,
and we'll talk a lot about this a little bit later in the show.
It was very confused, like, why are they going and hiring an offensive
line coach assistant offensive line coach to be a passing game coordinator? Don't why
does that make sense? Anyway, it does make sense for reasons that we
will discuss in a little bit on the show, but we're next. Let's
do that next, and then we'll get to the safeties. Offense is more
important passing. Passing wins championships, damn it. We will talk about why
hiring Justin Roscotti makes sense for the Cincinnati Bengals, or at least could make
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name Kovaks, I think you're correct about it. But there's that Alter Carbon
show on Netflix for the main characters named Kovacs, and I think they said
Kovach for him. Anyway, we're not going to talk about his name anymore.
Let's talk Justin Roscotti, offensive line assistant in Minnesota, quality control coach
in Denver, where he mostly worked with the offensive line, but did also
work with quarterbacks for a year. But gotta dig a little bit deeper.
You go back to his college playing days. He was a quarterback, was
a quarterbacks coach in college, was an offensive coordinator in high school. Also
was an offensive coordinator at the college level for several years, not for any
major schools, but for college programs. Nonetheless, also coach wide receivers,
so he's coached every position on offense except for tight ends and running backs.
A lot of familiarity with a lot of different positions. Is an ex quarterback
himself that has now decided to specialize an offensive line play which is an interesting
cocktail of experience for a guy that you're asking to come in and play a
role as a passing game coordinator. Agreed. I think one he's shown in
the NFL he can have multiple roles offensively the offensive line assistant coach position of
course, but he knows passing and he comes from that Vikings offense. And
I was just thinking about it, like Man kirk Cousins justin Jefferson. Kirk
Cousin has been really good the past year and a half before he got hurt,
and I think he could add something there. And to me, this
hire isn't for these people, but it should satisfy those that say, all
right, bring in a new set of eyes. Because he was a quarterback,
he has that experience. He's been in the league now now essentially for
as long as a lot of this staff has been together. And Zach Taylor
formed this Bengal staff in twenty nineteen. He's been in the league since then,
and so it lines up in a lot of ways his growth and development
as a coach, how he could come in and potentially impact things and help
the staff improve. And I also think that you didn't necessarily need another assistant
quarterbacks coach, and you can go with the passing game coordinator, someone that's
going to help with the passing game, help improve it, push it forward,
all of those things. I think that that's fine because you still have
your quarterbacks coach in Dan Pitcher on the staff, and then obviously Brad Craigthorpe
served as the assistant last year. And that's something that Zach has done now
twice where it felt like, all right, well, Alex van Pelt,
he could be one and done. So what does he do. He has
Dan Pitcher become the assistant quarterbacks coach in twenty nineteen, promotes him in twenty
twenty, and then last year Brad Craigthorp moves over to assistant QB's coach and
Boom becomes the quarterbacks coach a year later. So I do think that that's
part of it. But no, I like this hire and I think it
should satisfy those that wanted an outside perspective for sure. Well, and that
goes back to the earlier conversation I was mentioning as well, when it comes
to backfilling, to keep that pipeline going, and that's where whatever the position
is on defense you would like to see. I would like to see another
coach hired, another assistant hired somewhere, and it could be a young guy
like Rascotti, relatively inexperienced in the NFL anyway, who's still working his way
up and needs that experience. But as far as Rascotti is concerned, you
think about the things they lost when they lost Brian Callahan and some of the
specific things that we know he did for the offense. We know that he
was largely involved with helping to set up protections and maybe some people are groaning
about that because they're thinking about protection issues that the Bengals have had, but
it was one of his responsibilities. And you think about system similarities between where
Riscotti comes from. Kevin O'Connell also comes from Sean McVay, of course,
and so should be similar terminology between KOC and Zach Taylor. I don't know
if I don't remember which terminalities which terminology Zach Taylor, Kepp, but I'd
imagine there's a lot of similarities as they both came from Sean McVay. But
you take those factors and you think, Okay, you got a former quarterback
who's dealing with offensive line stuff. So what's he going to do as a
passing game coordinator? Well, primary responsibility could be protections. Could be that
he's going to be the guy who's going to come in and do a lot
of the work that Brian Callahan used to do on getting protections set every week.
Because this is a guy that used to coach, you know, offensive
line sets and various protection responsibilities. That would make sense to me. The
other thing that really jumps out is think about the system he's coming from that
has a star receiver and Justin Jefferson got a lot of good productivity out of
Kirk Cousins has a very play action heavy offense. Oh he knows, Justin,
I see where you're going with this. Oh probably not just judging judging
judging from that tone of voice, but could give you some ideas on different
ways to use Jamar Chase right and when to push the buttons to use Jamar
Chase in those certain ways. And not saying that he and Justin are the
same kind of player, but you start to bring some of those ideas along
with maybe some play action ideas along with protection setting experience from a quarterback perspective,
as the league increasingly on offense, seems to be driven by guys who
have quarterback experience at some point, And and that's some of the many ways
that this hire can make sense. And another one, and this is very
unlikely, I would say, but if you really wanted to spin it,
maybe it's a future all coach candidate as well. Having worked with offensive line
for so long in the NFL, what are you doing? I don't think
it's that one. Oh what do you There's going to be so many people
that are well, that's not my point. My point is, like your
pipeline, right, Like it's a pipeline idea, No, no doubt in
that pipeline is getting Justin Jefferson in Cincinnati. That's what that pipeline is.
Maybe No, yep, that's what I said. That's exactly what I'm saying
it. They're just playing the groundwork more and more. Did you see him
He talked about He's like, I hope they value me enough to get me
back on the field. So there's there's a little trouble there for Justin and
the Vikings. But but to your point, I agree, and I think
there will be some that look at the offensive line experience over the past couple
of years and say, oh, that's gonna help. I don't know,
Maybe maybe it does. I think he's going to be really focused on the
passing game, and it's it will be good to bring in another former quarterback.
You lose one and Brian Callahan former quarterback, you bring in another,
and I do think you'll get some fresh perspective. At the same time,
it'll help just with all of the stuff you're right that Brian did. And
that's probably what's going to happen, right is I think Dan Pitcher will probably
keep some of the things that he did as a quarterbacks coach. From a
Prepping Burrough standpoint, I'm sure it's not like you just stop everything he's doing
that he's done and he goes to the OC role. No, it's all
right, these are all the things that Brad can do, and then I'll
probably do these two or three things plus the OC role, and then you
have this passing game coordinator that can take some of the stuff that Brian Callahan
did or the other way, and take some of the stuff that Dan Pitcher
did to help prepare these guys. So it would not be it's not shocking
to me that they backfilled this. I think it was an important position.
It is interesting that the title is different, and it could just mean that
the title is different. A lot of people make the Frank Pollock run game
coordinator stuff, right, guess what, Brian Kyleahan and Zach Taylor, it's
their offense, you know, and that's this. It's going to be Joe
Burrow, Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher and company. So we'll see that.
Honestly, might have been required to prevent the Vikings from blocking an interview,
because if you're talking assistant OL coach to assistant QB coach, that's probably not
a promotion. But if you're talking assistant OL coach a passing game coordinator,
that's a good point. Yeah, it could. It could have been a
technicality for all we know to give him, and I'm sure there must be
something more behind it than that. I don't know if it's that easy to
skirt around the promotion and blocking interview blocking rules, but it could be something
like that involved as well. But either way, I think this checks a
lot of boxes in terms of making sense. Comes from a similar system quarterback
with offensive line experience. I think that's a really interesting combination and play action
experience, experience with the star receiver in a passing game. All of these
things could point to the direction the Bengals are going in the future. And
then in addition to that, you are backfilling for lost labor. And if
it's protections, if it's red zone, if it's play action, whatever it
is, They've now got a guy to help spread that work around like you're
talking about. And I think that that is important, and I think the
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hundred dollars. Forgot one anecdote on Justin VERSCOTTI that I wanted to share before
we dive into the safeties and Robert Livingston and Jordan Kovac's match. However,
we're gonna land on his name being pronounced. When Justin VERSCOTTI was coaching in
Denver in twenty twenty, in the COVID year, Denver had all of their
quarterbacks on the COVID list and they were desperate to find quarterbacks to play and
on their roster coaching roster. Justin Roscotti and Rob Calabreeze were offensive quality control
coaches, and Denver went to the league and they asked, can we get
can we get these guys onto the roster. We allowed to sign these guys
so that we can have somebody who's played quarterback play and Verscotti, of course,
playing on James Madison in college, won the FCS championship back in two
thousand and four, last play football in two thousand and six at James Madison.
The league said, no, we were deprived of seeing what thirty seven
year old, fifteen years removed from playing football Justin Roscotti could have done in
that game. Unfortunately, I would have loved it. I would have loved
and it is also true he can another guy who could throw passes if they
need to, or any tryouts or anything. But I remember when that took
place, and obviously you're like, are you serious? They had to ask
about a coach, but just proof that there was wild times, wild times.
Indeed, there was a receiver that ended up playing quarterbacks. Forget who
it was. I do too well. It didn't go well for the Broncos.
No, but he I remember as well because he was praised for his
like preparation and just jumping in and doing it because somebody had to do it.
Doesn't sound like the best time. A little bit of pressure there,
I don't know. Funny story though, Leak said, No, didn't get
to see it. Imagine if we had, though, and then the Bengals
hire him a few years later, we'll be going back and watching that game.
That'd be fun. Let's talk safeties, James, are you concerned?
Do you see upside? What are your thoughts on losing Robert le Suck?
Yeah? I think he's a good coach and he's it was honestly, and
I don't know this for sure. It's not like I talked to Robert about
this, but I'm sure he felt like at this stage he wasn't getting enough
looks to be an NFL defensive coordinator. The looks that he probably hoped to
get is become a coordinator and so go to the college rights to do so,
and try to show that you can call plays and do those things.
So I think that this was about him trying to prevent himself from getting trapped
and labeled as a position position coach only and been on the staff for nine
years dating back to twenty fifteen, was a Bengals scout for a few years
prior to that, and so I do think it's a significant loss. He
helped, He helped develop Jesse Bates, and a lot of people forget Jesse
Bates wasn't Jesse Bates when he came in. There was some development there that
he had to go through, and so you had a track record of a
coach that could do those things and get the most out of a high pick
that you're banking on. The Bengals are in a similar position now with two
guys. You know, Jordan Battle's a top one hundred pick, the ninety
fifth pick, and obviously Jack Hill the thirty first overall pick going into year
three, crucial crucial year for him. I do think Jordan Kovax is going
to do a good job and part of it is because no one knows him
better than Zach Taylor, five years on staff played in the league, and
so former nfler that played safety in the league has to coach up your young
safeties after paying his dues for multiple years on this staff makes a lot of
sense to me. Will it work, I don't know, but from the
outside looking in, it looks like it's a guy who has paid his dues,
has slowly worked his way up, and now the Bengals are banking on
him to help develop some key players, including Dax Hill, who, like
I said, former first rounder. It's someone that they need to to develop
into a premium player, preferably in twenty twenty four starting this season. Yeah,
big year, big year the safeties for the Bengals, Big year for
Jordan Kovad to step into this role and take on that responsibility. You're committing
to Kovach and it's Kovacs. One of us is just gonna sound really bad
this episode. I love it. I think it's it's both are correct,
depending on where the name is from or like how that family has decided to
pronounce it. There was a show Ultra Carbon on Netflix and and the main
character was called Kovach and he was Kovach, like, no doubt, no
doubt in my mind was Kovatch for him spelled the exact same way. So
never seen it. That's uh oh, so the first season's fun. I'm
not just so you know the color of the Nissan. I'm not picky.
I don't don't worry about that, Jake, I will not be picky.
I probably, but you have to pick one, right, You gotta no
doubt what we got to say his name, So yeah, sorry calling him
Jordan for the rest of the show. What's going to behilarious is when he
goes on to become like one of the NFL's best defensive minds. And we
could come back to this episode years later, like, hey, remember when
we didn't know how to say his name. Now the whole world knows it.
Yeah, like Belichiek, like in the nineties and the radio like radio
Bill Belichiek. Who's this guy? It would be it would have been eighties
because people knew about him by the nineties. Yeah. Anyway, another interesting
parallel, just something else I wanted to mention before we get out of here.
Livingston Robert Livingston was a Marvin Lewis holdover for the Bengals and Justin VERSCOTTI
was one of the few Vic Fangio holdovers in Denver when he arrived. He
stayed, I believe, on on Fangio's staff out in Denver. Worked with
Mike Munchak out there as well, and that's where he cut his offensive line
chops in the NFL as much as he will be contributing or not to offensive
line play in Cincinnati. In fact, you can go to I think there's
an old video of him when he was with the Broncos doing a uh pass
set clinic kind of break down. It was relatively basic, but that's out
there if you want to hear him. The Bengals do passing game coordinator talk
about pass sets and you're into coaching clinic kind of stuff. So I think
that's all I got on these coaches. Jane's anything to add before we get
out of here, not not really. Look, I think that it was
the natural progression for Brad Craigthorpe, natural projection for Jordan Kovacs to beat Kovacs
yep, And so we'll see if if they can deliver. But not not
shocked at all. Happy for Rob Livingston, by the way, I do
think it is a step up and it's a chance for him to show what
he can do. Hopefully he crushes it in Colorado. And that's not official
yet as we record this, but it will be. And then passing game
coordinator, you want a new blood, you got you got a fresh face
in there, Bengals fan. So we'll see but interesting moves. And the
good news is, Jake, I'm sure we'll hear from these guys, maybe
all of them, maybe not, but most of these guys at the Combine
in a few weeks, and obviously I'll be there. We'll get some audio
and be able to play it here. I did remember one other thought that
I wanted to share, which is that they are stocking up on former players,
former quarterbacks. There's a lot of former players on this coaching staff,
and for quarterbacks, Cragthorpe, Co Cragthorpe, Riscotti, Taylor, Pitcher,
US four at least might be forgetting one of the other position coaches there and
Kovach a former safety, Kovacs former safety now a Safeti's coach Frank Pollock obviously
played offensive played offensive line, but a number of NFL players on this team
as well, and that's one reason to like Kovacs. There's definitely the ability.
Oh Ben, not Ben Casey, James Casey. I'm righty here.
It has to be won James Casey. I did that with Mike yesterday or
a couple of days ago too. I couldn't remember her first name, and
it was Mike James Casey, former NFL tight end, former NF Former NFL
players tend to have an easier job connecting with easier time connecting with players,
and there's easier rapport there, and it's nice to see the Bengals leaning into
that as well. And that is all my thoughts on these Bengals coaches.
We'll be back next week. The marches on. I don't care. Just
there. I think they're gonna win. I think they're gonna win. I
heard out there for our listeners. I think the Niners win by three.
There's some matchups that seem to really favor them. So we'll see. Our
Monday episode will be recorded before the Super Bowl, just so you guys know,
so we will not react to We won't know. I don't think either
of us want to wait until after the game to record, so I don't
know. If I'm watching the game, We'll see I'm gonna watch it.
I probably will too grudgingly. Anyway, that's gonna do it for this episode
of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. Until next time, Thanks for listening. Who
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