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The Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday announced a
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about the changes. Is Zach Taylor
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your first purchase of tickets, James, let's talk about news. The Bengals

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lose a coach, they gain a
couple of coaches. Well, they make

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a couple of promotions, they hire
one coach. They're still in a coaching

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deficit, and we'll talk about that
as well, but let's get the facts

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of the matter out of the way
before we dive into analysis. Yeah,

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they're down what an assistant linebackers coach
technically would be the one that they're down.

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So we'll see there. But yeah, three new coaches and are three

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coaching changes, to be clear.
One new coach, and I think this

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is the surprise. Justin Rascotti,
past game coordinator, and then Brad Kraigthorpe.

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I think everybody knew he was going
to be the quarterbacks coach and it

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was just a matter of when.
And so that's a fish. And then

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the other surprise, And it's a
surprise because we hadn't really talked about other

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potential departures. And the guy that
I kind of thought might have a chance

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this offseason to become an offensive coordinator
not necessarily a defensive coordinator, was Troy

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Walters. But it looks like he's
going to stay. But the Bengals lose

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secondary coach and also safety's coach,
And why am I forgetting his name?

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Now? It's my guy, Robert
Livingston. It took me a second,

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but Jordan Kovacs is replacing him in
that role. What I think is kind

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of cool about the two promotions.
Both guys entered with Zak in twenty nineteen

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have been on Zach staff the entire
time, and I think Cragthorpe and Kovacs

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have both grown. But you lose
a guy in Livingston. He's been around

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for nine years, helped develop Jesse
Bates, the Baits Bell combo. We

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all talk about how good it was. Robert Livingston had a big role in

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that, and we could talk more
about the loss. But yeah, those

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are the three moves, and I
think the past game coordinator is probably the

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biggest surprise, followed by Livingston's departure. And then third and probably the least

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surprising is the fact that Brad craig
Thorpe is the new quarterbacks coach. Yeah,

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I'm encouraged by the fact that they
backfilled for brag Kragthorpe's promotion to quarterbacks

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coach. And we'll talk more we'll
talk a lot about what Justin Roscotti is

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probably going to do for the Bengals, why the hire makes sense, what

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his background is. But I do
want them still to backfill for Jordan Kovach.

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And it's going to be interesting on
Kovach to see which of us was

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pronouncing that name correctly. I think
it's Kovatch. I think that's how the

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CS is pronounced at the end of
that one. So we'll find I will

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bet you let's see here, I'm
just checking to make sure. I'll bet

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you a week worth of door dash. We could bet a Nissan, a

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brand new Nissan that it's a little
bitch both trying to look at me,

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trying to get jig lisz go here
with names. Well, yeah, with

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names, I'm not very confident.
Like maybe you'll get five dollars on the

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line here maybe and I think that
it's actually Kovach. But anyway, point

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is I would like them to backfill
these these coaching positions some somehow. It

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doesn't have to be the exact same
position, but you see where these assistants

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are elevated and build themselves, So
it's one it's a coaching pipeline thing for

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the Bengals where if you can continue
to develop coaches in a way that you

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are confident in their ability to take
on bigger roles in the future, that

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enables you to have some continuity going
forward and enables you to promote from within,

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as the Bengals did with Cragthorpe and
Kovach, and I think that that

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is there are some upsides there right
in Kovach a former safety. I know

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he was a linebacker's coach for the
Bengals, assistant linebacker coach for the Bengals,

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but played safety, so has experienced
that way. Kragthorpe came up through

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LSU, worked with Joe Burrow at
LSU for a year before joining Zach Taylor's

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staff. Obviously familiarity there has been
working as an offensive assistant for quite a

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while, has been seen as an
descending coach, I think for quite a

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while, so that one also makes
a lot of sense. And then losing

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Livingston a bit of a surprise,
Like you said, agree with all that.

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So all of this to say,
from an infrastructure perspective, you're losing

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labor when you lose Brian Callahan.
When you promote from within to replace,

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You're losing labor when when you lose
Robert Livingston, you promote from within to

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replace, and so I'm still hoping
that they make another higher defensive assistant somewhere,

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just so that the work that Kovach
was doing in his previous role is

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filled, because you're losing time on
task for those guys. And it looks

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like you're very confident in what you
found is a pronunciation, because I also

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looked this up before I said anything. According to Big ten Network, it's

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Kovacs, so we were there's no
no ch pronunciation there, so that's Big

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ten Network. That's when Kovacs was
thriving for the Wolverines. But maybe it's

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it's dead wrong. I didn't look
in the Bengals pronunciation guide to see if

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it's. If it's there, it
will be now regardless because he's a position

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coach and so we'll see. But
hopefully you just got a chance to ask

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him at some point. We could
also go look for the University of Michigan

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pronunciation guide from two thousand, the
Media Guy from twenty twelve or something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and look can very well be I

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mean, maybe it's either way.
I don't know. Good thing we didn't

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bet either way, because I could
have gotten wrong too, But the point

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is to your point and what we
can dive into past game coordinator in a

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minute and all of those things.
But I agree with you. You're a

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coach down now, and I do
like that that these guys have developed.

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You're talking about a guy in Kovac
that play the game and played in the

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NFL for multiple years and then slowly
works his way up, gets here in

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twenty nineteen and works his way up
and now gets to work with safeties in

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the NFL exclusively for the first time
in a while. Now he'll work with

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the secondary too. But what a
big what a big spot for this secondary

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to be in a lot of young, I think hungry athletic players that need

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to take a step forward. And
Zach Taylor looked at this and said,

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yeah, Jordan Kovax is the guy
to get the most out of them.

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So hopefully he can't write whether it's
DJ Turner, Dax Hill, obviously Jordan

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Battle. This is a big,
big off season and twenty twenty four is

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gonna be a big season for those
guys. One hundred percent agree there,

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And we're gonna have to talk about
the impact on those safeties because Livingston,

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you know, for the year the
safety's just had and what have you done

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for me lately? Kind of league. Maybe some people are glad to see

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change for safeties and hoping to see
some improvement with a coaching change there.

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But he did a pretty good job
with Jesse Bates and and Voon Bell prior

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to the change at safety. So
we we'll have to talk about the impact

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there because you do lose some continuity
and I have a lot to say about

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Justin Roscotti. Actually, at first
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and we'll talk a lot about this
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It was very confused, like,
why are they going and hiring an offensive

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line coach assistant offensive line coach to
be a passing game coordinator? Don't why

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does that make sense? Anyway,
it does make sense for reasons that we

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will discuss in a little bit on
the show, but we're next. Let's

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do that next, and then we'll
get to the safeties. Offense is more

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important passing. Passing wins championships,
damn it. We will talk about why

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James, let's talk Justin Roscotti.
As the more I've looked into the

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name Kovaks, I think you're correct
about it. But there's that Alter Carbon

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show on Netflix for the main characters
named Kovacs, and I think they said

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Kovach for him. Anyway, we're
not going to talk about his name anymore.

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Let's talk Justin Roscotti, offensive line
assistant in Minnesota, quality control coach

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in Denver, where he mostly worked
with the offensive line, but did also

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work with quarterbacks for a year.
But gotta dig a little bit deeper.

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You go back to his college playing
days. He was a quarterback, was

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a quarterbacks coach in college, was
an offensive coordinator in high school. Also

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was an offensive coordinator at the college
level for several years, not for any

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major schools, but for college programs. Nonetheless, also coach wide receivers,

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so he's coached every position on offense
except for tight ends and running backs.

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A lot of familiarity with a lot
of different positions. Is an ex quarterback

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himself that has now decided to specialize
an offensive line play which is an interesting

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cocktail of experience for a guy that
you're asking to come in and play a

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role as a passing game coordinator.
Agreed. I think one he's shown in

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the NFL he can have multiple roles
offensively the offensive line assistant coach position of

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course, but he knows passing and
he comes from that Vikings offense. And

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I was just thinking about it,
like Man kirk Cousins justin Jefferson. Kirk

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Cousin has been really good the past
year and a half before he got hurt,

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and I think he could add something
there. And to me, this

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hire isn't for these people, but
it should satisfy those that say, all

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right, bring in a new set
of eyes. Because he was a quarterback,

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he has that experience. He's been
in the league now now essentially for

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as long as a lot of this
staff has been together. And Zach Taylor

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formed this Bengal staff in twenty nineteen. He's been in the league since then,

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and so it lines up in a
lot of ways his growth and development

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as a coach, how he could
come in and potentially impact things and help

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the staff improve. And I also
think that you didn't necessarily need another assistant

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quarterbacks coach, and you can go
with the passing game coordinator, someone that's

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going to help with the passing game, help improve it, push it forward,

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all of those things. I think
that that's fine because you still have

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your quarterbacks coach in Dan Pitcher on
the staff, and then obviously Brad Craigthorpe

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served as the assistant last year.
And that's something that Zach has done now

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twice where it felt like, all
right, well, Alex van Pelt,

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he could be one and done.
So what does he do. He has

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Dan Pitcher become the assistant quarterbacks coach
in twenty nineteen, promotes him in twenty

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twenty, and then last year Brad
Craigthorp moves over to assistant QB's coach and

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Boom becomes the quarterbacks coach a year
later. So I do think that that's

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part of it. But no,
I like this hire and I think it

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should satisfy those that wanted an outside
perspective for sure. Well, and that

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goes back to the earlier conversation I
was mentioning as well, when it comes

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to backfilling, to keep that pipeline
going, and that's where whatever the position

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is on defense you would like to
see. I would like to see another

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coach hired, another assistant hired somewhere, and it could be a young guy

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like Rascotti, relatively inexperienced in the
NFL anyway, who's still working his way

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up and needs that experience. But
as far as Rascotti is concerned, you

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think about the things they lost when
they lost Brian Callahan and some of the

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specific things that we know he did
for the offense. We know that he

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was largely involved with helping to set
up protections and maybe some people are groaning

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about that because they're thinking about protection
issues that the Bengals have had, but

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it was one of his responsibilities.
And you think about system similarities between where

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Riscotti comes from. Kevin O'Connell also
comes from Sean McVay, of course,

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and so should be similar terminology between
KOC and Zach Taylor. I don't know

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if I don't remember which terminalities which
terminology Zach Taylor, Kepp, but I'd

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imagine there's a lot of similarities as
they both came from Sean McVay. But

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you take those factors and you think, Okay, you got a former quarterback

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who's dealing with offensive line stuff.
So what's he going to do as a

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passing game coordinator? Well, primary
responsibility could be protections. Could be that

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he's going to be the guy who's
going to come in and do a lot

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of the work that Brian Callahan used
to do on getting protections set every week.

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Because this is a guy that used
to coach, you know, offensive

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line sets and various protection responsibilities.
That would make sense to me. The

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other thing that really jumps out is
think about the system he's coming from that

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has a star receiver and Justin Jefferson
got a lot of good productivity out of

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Kirk Cousins has a very play action
heavy offense. Oh he knows, Justin,

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I see where you're going with this. Oh probably not just judging judging

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judging from that tone of voice,
but could give you some ideas on different

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ways to use Jamar Chase right and
when to push the buttons to use Jamar

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Chase in those certain ways. And
not saying that he and Justin are the

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same kind of player, but you
start to bring some of those ideas along

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with maybe some play action ideas along
with protection setting experience from a quarterback perspective,

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as the league increasingly on offense,
seems to be driven by guys who

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have quarterback experience at some point,
And and that's some of the many ways

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that this hire can make sense.
And another one, and this is very

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unlikely, I would say, but
if you really wanted to spin it,

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maybe it's a future all coach candidate
as well. Having worked with offensive line

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for so long in the NFL,
what are you doing? I don't think

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it's that one. Oh what do
you There's going to be so many people

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that are well, that's not my
point. My point is, like your

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pipeline, right, Like it's a
pipeline idea, No, no doubt in

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that pipeline is getting Justin Jefferson in
Cincinnati. That's what that pipeline is.

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Maybe No, yep, that's what
I said. That's exactly what I'm saying

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it. They're just playing the groundwork
more and more. Did you see him

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He talked about He's like, I
hope they value me enough to get me

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back on the field. So there's
there's a little trouble there for Justin and

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the Vikings. But but to your
point, I agree, and I think

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there will be some that look at
the offensive line experience over the past couple

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of years and say, oh,
that's gonna help. I don't know,

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Maybe maybe it does. I think
he's going to be really focused on the

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passing game, and it's it will
be good to bring in another former quarterback.

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You lose one and Brian Callahan former
quarterback, you bring in another,

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and I do think you'll get some
fresh perspective. At the same time,

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it'll help just with all of the
stuff you're right that Brian did. And

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that's probably what's going to happen,
right is I think Dan Pitcher will probably

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keep some of the things that he
did as a quarterbacks coach. From a

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Prepping Burrough standpoint, I'm sure it's
not like you just stop everything he's doing

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that he's done and he goes to
the OC role. No, it's all

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right, these are all the things
that Brad can do, and then I'll

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probably do these two or three things
plus the OC role, and then you

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have this passing game coordinator that can
take some of the stuff that Brian Callahan

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did or the other way, and
take some of the stuff that Dan Pitcher

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did to help prepare these guys.
So it would not be it's not shocking

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to me that they backfilled this.
I think it was an important position.

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It is interesting that the title is
different, and it could just mean that

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the title is different. A lot
of people make the Frank Pollock run game

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coordinator stuff, right, guess what, Brian Kyleahan and Zach Taylor, it's

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their offense, you know, and
that's this. It's going to be Joe

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Burrow, Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher
and company. So we'll see that.

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Honestly, might have been required to
prevent the Vikings from blocking an interview,

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because if you're talking assistant OL coach
to assistant QB coach, that's probably not

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a promotion. But if you're talking
assistant OL coach a passing game coordinator,

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that's a good point. Yeah,
it could. It could have been a

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technicality for all we know to give
him, and I'm sure there must be

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something more behind it than that.
I don't know if it's that easy to

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skirt around the promotion and blocking interview
blocking rules, but it could be something

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like that involved as well. But
either way, I think this checks a

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lot of boxes in terms of making
sense. Comes from a similar system quarterback

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with offensive line experience. I think
that's a really interesting combination and play action

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experience, experience with the star receiver
in a passing game. All of these

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things could point to the direction the
Bengals are going in the future. And

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then in addition to that, you
are backfilling for lost labor. And if

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it's protections, if it's red zone, if it's play action, whatever it

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is, They've now got a guy
to help spread that work around like you're

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talking about. And I think that
that is important, and I think the

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Bengal still need to do it on
the defensive side of the ball, where

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they've got a new safeties coach.
We'll talk about the impact there. We'll

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hundred dollars. Forgot one anecdote on
Justin VERSCOTTI that I wanted to share before

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we dive into the safeties and Robert
Livingston and Jordan Kovac's match. However,

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we're gonna land on his name being
pronounced. When Justin VERSCOTTI was coaching in

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Denver in twenty twenty, in the
COVID year, Denver had all of their

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quarterbacks on the COVID list and they
were desperate to find quarterbacks to play and

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on their roster coaching roster. Justin
Roscotti and Rob Calabreeze were offensive quality control

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coaches, and Denver went to the
league and they asked, can we get

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can we get these guys onto the
roster. We allowed to sign these guys

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so that we can have somebody who's
played quarterback play and Verscotti, of course,

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playing on James Madison in college,
won the FCS championship back in two

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thousand and four, last play football
in two thousand and six at James Madison.

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The league said, no, we
were deprived of seeing what thirty seven

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year old, fifteen years removed from
playing football Justin Roscotti could have done in

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that game. Unfortunately, I would
have loved it. I would have loved

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and it is also true he can
another guy who could throw passes if they

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need to, or any tryouts or
anything. But I remember when that took

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place, and obviously you're like,
are you serious? They had to ask

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about a coach, but just proof
that there was wild times, wild times.

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Indeed, there was a receiver that
ended up playing quarterbacks. Forget who

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it was. I do too well. It didn't go well for the Broncos.

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No, but he I remember as
well because he was praised for his

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like preparation and just jumping in and
doing it because somebody had to do it.

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Doesn't sound like the best time.
A little bit of pressure there,

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I don't know. Funny story though, Leak said, No, didn't get

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to see it. Imagine if we
had, though, and then the Bengals

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hire him a few years later,
we'll be going back and watching that game.

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That'd be fun. Let's talk safeties, James, are you concerned?

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Do you see upside? What are
your thoughts on losing Robert le Suck?

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Yeah? I think he's a good
coach and he's it was honestly, and

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I don't know this for sure.
It's not like I talked to Robert about

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this, but I'm sure he felt
like at this stage he wasn't getting enough

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looks to be an NFL defensive coordinator. The looks that he probably hoped to

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get is become a coordinator and so
go to the college rights to do so,

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and try to show that you can
call plays and do those things.

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So I think that this was about
him trying to prevent himself from getting trapped

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and labeled as a position position coach
only and been on the staff for nine

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years dating back to twenty fifteen,
was a Bengals scout for a few years

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prior to that, and so I
do think it's a significant loss. He

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helped, He helped develop Jesse Bates, and a lot of people forget Jesse

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Bates wasn't Jesse Bates when he came
in. There was some development there that

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he had to go through, and
so you had a track record of a

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coach that could do those things and
get the most out of a high pick

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that you're banking on. The Bengals
are in a similar position now with two

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guys. You know, Jordan Battle's
a top one hundred pick, the ninety

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fifth pick, and obviously Jack Hill
the thirty first overall pick going into year

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three, crucial crucial year for him. I do think Jordan Kovax is going

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to do a good job and part
of it is because no one knows him

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better than Zach Taylor, five years
on staff played in the league, and

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so former nfler that played safety in
the league has to coach up your young

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safeties after paying his dues for multiple
years on this staff makes a lot of

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sense to me. Will it work, I don't know, but from the

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outside looking in, it looks like
it's a guy who has paid his dues,

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has slowly worked his way up,
and now the Bengals are banking on

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him to help develop some key players, including Dax Hill, who, like

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I said, former first rounder.
It's someone that they need to to develop

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into a premium player, preferably in
twenty twenty four starting this season. Yeah,

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big year, big year the safeties
for the Bengals, Big year for

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Jordan Kovad to step into this role
and take on that responsibility. You're committing

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to Kovach and it's Kovacs. One
of us is just gonna sound really bad

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this episode. I love it.
I think it's it's both are correct,

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depending on where the name is from
or like how that family has decided to

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pronounce it. There was a show
Ultra Carbon on Netflix and and the main

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character was called Kovach and he was
Kovach, like, no doubt, no

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doubt in my mind was Kovatch for
him spelled the exact same way. So

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never seen it. That's uh oh, so the first season's fun. I'm

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not just so you know the color
of the Nissan. I'm not picky.

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I don't don't worry about that,
Jake, I will not be picky.

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I probably, but you have to
pick one, right, You gotta no

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doubt what we got to say his
name, So yeah, sorry calling him

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Jordan for the rest of the show. What's going to behilarious is when he

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goes on to become like one of
the NFL's best defensive minds. And we

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could come back to this episode years
later, like, hey, remember when

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we didn't know how to say his
name. Now the whole world knows it.

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Yeah, like Belichiek, like in
the nineties and the radio like radio

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Bill Belichiek. Who's this guy?
It would be it would have been eighties

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because people knew about him by the
nineties. Yeah. Anyway, another interesting

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parallel, just something else I wanted
to mention before we get out of here.

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Livingston Robert Livingston was a Marvin Lewis
holdover for the Bengals and Justin VERSCOTTI

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was one of the few Vic Fangio
holdovers in Denver when he arrived. He

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stayed, I believe, on on
Fangio's staff out in Denver. Worked with

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Mike Munchak out there as well,
and that's where he cut his offensive line

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chops in the NFL as much as
he will be contributing or not to offensive

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line play in Cincinnati. In fact, you can go to I think there's

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an old video of him when he
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set clinic kind of break down.
It was relatively basic, but that's out

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there if you want to hear him. The Bengals do passing game coordinator talk

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about pass sets and you're into coaching
clinic kind of stuff. So I think

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that's all I got on these coaches. Jane's anything to add before we get

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out of here, not not really. Look, I think that it was

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the natural progression for Brad Craigthorpe,
natural projection for Jordan Kovacs to beat Kovacs

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yep, And so we'll see if
if they can deliver. But not not

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shocked at all. Happy for Rob
Livingston, by the way, I do

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think it is a step up and
it's a chance for him to show what

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he can do. Hopefully he crushes
it in Colorado. And that's not official

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yet as we record this, but
it will be. And then passing game

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coordinator, you want a new blood, you got you got a fresh face

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in there, Bengals fan. So
we'll see but interesting moves. And the

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good news is, Jake, I'm
sure we'll hear from these guys, maybe

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all of them, maybe not,
but most of these guys at the Combine

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in a few weeks, and obviously
I'll be there. We'll get some audio

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and be able to play it here. I did remember one other thought that

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I wanted to share, which is
that they are stocking up on former players,

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former quarterbacks. There's a lot of
former players on this coaching staff,

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and for quarterbacks, Cragthorpe, Co
Cragthorpe, Riscotti, Taylor, Pitcher,

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US four at least might be forgetting
one of the other position coaches there and

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Kovach a former safety, Kovacs former
safety now a Safeti's coach Frank Pollock obviously

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played offensive played offensive line, but
a number of NFL players on this team

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as well, and that's one reason
to like Kovacs. There's definitely the ability.

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Oh Ben, not Ben Casey,
James Casey. I'm righty here.

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It has to be won James Casey. I did that with Mike yesterday or

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a couple of days ago too.
I couldn't remember her first name, and

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it was Mike James Casey, former
NFL tight end, former NF Former NFL

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players tend to have an easier job
connecting with easier time connecting with players,

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and there's easier rapport there, and
it's nice to see the Bengals leaning into

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that as well. And that is
all my thoughts on these Bengals coaches.

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We'll be back next week. The
marches on. I don't care. Just

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there. I think they're gonna win. I think they're gonna win. I

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heard out there for our listeners.
I think the Niners win by three.

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There's some matchups that seem to really
favor them. So we'll see. Our

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Monday episode will be recorded before the
Super Bowl, just so you guys know,

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so we will not react to We
won't know. I don't think either

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of us want to wait until after
the game to record, so I don't

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know. If I'm watching the game, We'll see I'm gonna watch it.

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I probably will too grudgingly. Anyway, that's gonna do it for this episode

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of the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. Until
next time, Thanks for listening. Who

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