WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.760 Get some facts and come back and Seebee. Get some facts and come back 2 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:21.039 and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries or other things. Get some facts and 3 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:25.359 come back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you 4 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.160 need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats 5 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:31.760 in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my 6 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.679 extra bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We 7 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:39.280 don't need no meals. We don't need no cats. We need more dogs. 8 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:44.520 Were out a detainer. Ah, you're not that decayed. We weren't 9 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.039 good. There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling 10 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:49.320 you. We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for 11 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:54.359 you. He sucks. He sucked. He laid an egg. That's all 12 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:56.359 I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not going to break 13 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.320 it down for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. 14 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.959 We have to figure it out, and we went it. Sure is final 15 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.400 hour of ex'es and bros. This one is flown by Thank you for your 16 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.920 texts and your phone calls on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three eight 17 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:17.159 forty eight forty three. The text Line Sports rated at a twenty one thousand. 18 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.760 Bottom of this hour, Max Boltman will join us from the Athletic we'll 19 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.799 talk about what the Red Wings have done in free agency. Specifically, what 20 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.680 they did, folks, is sign goalie camp Talbot. They lose out on 21 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:33.439 re signing defenseman Shane gosteraspeer, who inked a three year deal with Carolina. 22 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:40.319 That's troubling. It's troubling because he took less money, but he got the 23 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:45.719 extra year in Carolina. So now what does Detroit do on that power play? 24 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.719 Now? They re signed Christian Fisher to a one year contract. The 25 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.920 think goalie Jack Campbell to a one year deal, Eric Gustafson to a two 26 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.799 year agreement. He's the defenseman from the Rangers. Maybe heat quarterbacks that power 27 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:05.840 play it has not been met with great hope from the fan base. So 28 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.639 Max Botman will join us at the bottom of the hour to talk about that. 29 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:15.000 Pistons have signed Tobias Harris to a two year contract worth fifty two million 30 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:23.479 dollars. I like Tobias Harris. I liked him when he was a Piston. 31 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:29.439 I was disappointed when he left. He was in Philly last year and 32 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:36.960 had seventeen points per game. Horrible in the postseason. However, this team's 33 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:44.280 not making the postseason. When you have a guy like this who's been through 34 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.360 an off awful lot, been on playoff teams, know what at s take. 35 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.840 This is the kind of influence that can be very helpful for the Pistons. 36 00:02:52.879 --> 00:03:00.080 I believe my problem is that you're paying him twenty six million dollars a 37 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:07.120 year. I mean that is that is steep. That is really steep. 38 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:10.439 Tigers will play in Minnesota tonight. By the way, the Twins have hit 39 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:15.759 homers or a homer, I should say, in nineteen consecutive games. That's 40 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:25.000 a franchise record. Only Baltimore has a longer string this year. The good 41 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:30.840 news is Derek Scoogle's on the bump and he doesn't give up a lot of 42 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:36.759 home runs. Our poll question which team has had the better free agent signing 43 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.280 period? The Red Wings, Pistons or neither. You can vote via text 44 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:46.560 or I should say via twitter on x at X's and Bros. Yesterday's pole 45 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:53.240 question. Let's get to the results of that. Trent has it and why 46 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:57.039 don't you feed it to us right now? Trent? What was yesterday's poll? 47 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.280 Question, and what were the results? Can you? Yeah, we 48 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.159 actually we had a couple of them. We asked, was the JB. 49 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.960 Bickerstaff hire a good one for the Pistons? Fifty two percent of you said 50 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.000 yes, but thirty six percent of you. I would be in the fifty 51 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.919 two percent, I agree, but thirty six percent, maybe a little over 52 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.920 a third of you say it won't matter. It's a bad roster. There 53 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:23.839 you go. What's encouraging for me is that JB. Bickerstaff has a proven 54 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.920 record, and we talked about this yesterday with Deshaun Tate. He joined us 55 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:33.639 in the eight o'clock hour. He has a proven record of developing younger players 56 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:40.720 making them better. Now, Monty Williams didn't do that at all. Say 57 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.480 what you want about money Williams. He's a good enough guy and everything he 58 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.079 had won in Phoenix. I thought it was a wrong hire. I was 59 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:56.680 very vocal about that. Nobody got better, including him, and he wanted 60 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:59.920 no part of Detroit. From the jump, it sure seemed like that didn't. 61 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:01.839 Yeah, I mean that's why I think it's just my theory. I 62 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.079 think that's why Tom Gorris had to go as deep as fourteen million a year 63 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.519 which at the time he was the highest paid coach. Ever, it's not 64 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.639 the reason you bring a coach in, all right. So that was one 65 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.720 poll question. What's the other one? Our other one was would you have 66 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.079 preferred the Red Wings re signed Patrick Kane, which they did, or make 67 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:23.360 a run at Stephen Stamkos. Sixty three percent of you are with Kine. 68 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.160 So sixty three percent of you, in other words, are satisfied with the 69 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:33.879 Wings bringing showtime back and not making a run at Stammer. You know what's 70 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:43.399 surprising about that is this we as a collective fan base. I'm not saying 71 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.240 every person, I'm just saying collectively. This is what we asked Ted Kulfan 72 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:51.879 yesterday or the Detroit News. We said, what does this team need? 73 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:58.600 He said defense? But let's face it, even though they were better at 74 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:05.040 scoring yest year, they do need more goal scorers. Steven Stamcos, on 75 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:10.279 a team that is one of the best offensive teams in all of hockey, 76 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:20.040 scored forty goals. He was fifteenth in the league in goal scoring at the 77 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:28.600 age of thirty four. He's pumping in forty. Now, remember this, 78 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:38.360 there were only fifteen players who scored forty or more none of them were Red 79 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:44.680 Wings. Dylan Larkin scored thirty three to lead Detroit, but you need a 80 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:49.480 forty goal scorer and that's not an easy thing to do. He signed with 81 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:57.240 Nashville. Did you see. I don't expect I do not expect the Red 82 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:01.680 Wings. I hope, but nobody does expect the Red Wings to do what 83 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:12.920 Nashville did. It's amazing that the Predators went out and signed Jonathan Marcissa, 84 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:21.439 Brady Ska and Steven Stamkos. They got two guys. Think about this now, 85 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:30.160 they got two guys who scored forty goals or more. That's pretty impressive 86 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:40.759 and champions at that. Stamkos multiple rings, right, Marcisso and Las Vegas 87 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.279 won it all a year ago. And the Preds had a decent thing going 88 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.839 last season. Chep. I mean they made the playoffs. They gave the 89 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:51.480 Hurricanes all they could handle in the first round. Yeah, but they give 90 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:56.040 Stamkos thirty two million over four years. That's eight million a year. Let 91 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.399 me ask you, would you have done that if you're the Red Wings. 92 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:03.000 I don't like the years. That's my concern. Thirty four years old. 93 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:09.079 Yeah, so he's gonna be thirty eight you're basically what you're doing is you've 94 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.759 got a two year window. Oh it's a move for now, no doubt, 95 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.879 right right, which, as you know, if you're a fan, 96 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:22.000 thumbs up. I'm okay with that. Marcis sold thirty three. I forget 97 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.079 the length of his contract, but I do know he had forty two goals 98 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:33.919 last year. I think it's awesome. Send a message to your fan base. 99 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:39.320 Look, we can't be too critical of what Nashville just did. If 100 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.759 if we're going to sit here and complain about the Tigers not spending any money, 101 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.919 that's that's what we do. I mean, in this market, we 102 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:54.039 complain and rightfully so, that Chris Silich won't spend money on the Tigers, 103 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.320 right, one hundred and six million dollars as a team payroll should be at 104 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.639 least one forty. I think it should be one fifty. Not spending enough 105 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.879 money, put money on the product, on the fields, all that stuff. 106 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.080 Right. That's that's what we hear from people on social media and in 107 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:15.000 writing and opinion pieces, talk radio fans left and right. Nashville goes out 108 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:16.960 and spends money and people are shaking their heads, going I wouldn't have done 109 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.519 that, I mean, that's that's irresponsible. Oh but you want to give 110 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.200 a ton of money to Matt Chapman. Huh yeah, I can't have it 111 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.639 both ways, right, let's be fair. Bottom of the hour, Max 112 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.960 Boltman will join us here on Ex's and Bros. Quick Time Out than Back 113 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:39.759 with more of your thoughts, including an NFL survey that has current players who 114 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.879 might be on track to be in the Hall of Fame and ex Lion does 115 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:50.799 he make the cut or not? That's next. Stay with us in the 116 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.480 step up to the play with the Eagle Casino in Sports, the mobile sports 117 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.120 book app that you can bet on all your favorites all year round, including 118 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.840 of course Ard Nash passed on. So download the app and start winning today 119 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.120 at Eagle Casino in Sports Made in Michigan Made four Michigan. 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I 166 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.440 do it too. Welcome back. Myer hotline is eight six six eight three 167 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:24.519 eight forty eight to forty three. There are certain songs that just make you 168 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.840 do that, so I totally get it. Really interesting article as we get 169 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.159 the build up to Max Boltman of the Athletic Kill join Us eight thirty five 170 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:37.360 here on ex'es and Bros. Interesting article from cbsports dot Com over the weekend 171 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:46.279 making the case on whether or not these twelve current players are Hall of Fame 172 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.159 caliber. So, Trent, We're gonna play a little game here. All 173 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.200 right, I'm gonna give you the name of the player. I want you 174 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.960 to tell me your first reaction. You don't have time to look up stats 175 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.159 or anything. You you've watched them. You're a football junkie. You love 176 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.519 these guys. Maybe they're on your fantasy football team. It's a guy you 177 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:09.759 and your friends talk about on a regular basis. I'm gonna give you the 178 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.480 name. You tell me immediately whether you think he's a Hall of Fame player 179 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.840 or not, and then I'll tell you whether or not the CBS Sports writers 180 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:24.200 agree with you. Okay, sounds great. DeVante Adams, No, they 181 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:30.399 say yes, six Pro Bowls, three All Pros give him a good chance 182 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.879 at a future induction. Leading the NFL in touchdown grabs multiple times also helps. 183 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:39.440 I say no as well, but they say yes. Keenan Allen, 184 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.120 Yes, I say no, they say no. Allen has put together an 185 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.360 impressive career that includes six Pro Bowl nods since twenty seventeen, but zero all 186 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.639 Pro nods. Good but not great career makes him twenty six all time in 187 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.720 career receptions. Okay, that's fair. I guess if you look at those 188 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.600 two that we've done already, I guess Adams of the two would be more 189 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:06.720 deserving, now that you break it down. They also write that what Alan 190 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:11.159 does in Chicago might go a long way to determining whether or not he's in 191 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.480 Remember, this is just what they've done so far. Here's one that I 192 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.360 was torn on. So what I did is I looked at before I got 193 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.480 into the text, the deepness of their evaluation. I looked at the name 194 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:30.039 and then wrote down on a piece of paper, yes or no. So 195 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:36.279 that's the reason I'm giving you this quiz, Mike Evans. Yes, Yeah, 196 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.960 I put a question mark on the piece of paper because I just wasn't 197 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.799 sure. But I think you're right about that. He's the first player in 198 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.559 NFL history to start his career with ten consecutive one thousand yard receiving yards. 199 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.759 Right. Yes, also one of just four players in NFL history to have 200 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.639 at least seven hundred and fifty catches, ten thousand receiving yards, and ninety 201 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:03.680 touchdown catches in his first ten years. The others Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, 202 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:08.279 Randy Moss chat. Before this gig, I was fortunate enough to produce 203 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.279 sports radio in Florida, And I'll tell you the Tampa media. There are 204 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:17.599 some members of the Tampa media that legitimately look at Mike Evans as possibly the 205 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:21.039 greatest buccaneer of all time. I mean, that's how important he is that 206 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.680 franchise, That's how much the fan base loves him. He's certainly gonna have 207 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.720 thirteen retired there in their ring of honor. What you think of the all 208 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:33.240 time great Bucks, it's Warren Sam worn Sap. Obviously, you gotta put 209 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.680 Brady in there just because of what he did towards the end with longevity in 210 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.799 there. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then I would say Mike 211 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.240 Evans probably rounds out your top four, wouldn't you. Yeah. They love 212 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.599 Mike Alstatt down there, too, don't they. Yes, Yeah, yeah, 213 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.359 I think that's a great point. I never looked at it like that. 214 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.839 I guess I just assumed it was always Warren Sap. But those those 215 00:17:53.880 --> 00:18:00.119 are really good examples. And if you're talking about the greatest player for one 216 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.000 of the franchises in the NFL, they got to be a Hall of Famer, 217 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.160 right potentially, Yeah, I would think so. I mean, they've 218 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.079 got to be, They've got to be under that consideration. I mean, 219 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.079 I don't know if I can quite go that far, because I'm not saying 220 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:22.799 every every greatest player of all time deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, 221 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.599 you know what I mean? Yeah, there are some exceptions. Yeah, 222 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:34.839 like who's the greatest Jaguar ever? Fred Taylor? Okay, I'm just 223 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.359 guessing. Yeah, No, is that what you would say? Probably? 224 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:45.680 And then you think of the other young franchises could be Okay, Houston Texans 225 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.799 is JJ Watt, no doubt. I mean, there are certain franchises that 226 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.640 are an exception to the rule for sure. I'm just say on its face, 227 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.160 if you really think about it, you would think that the greatest player 228 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.480 potentially in the history of a franchise when there's only thirty two of would make 229 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:07.000 the Hall of Fame, agreed. Is Derek Brooks a Hall of Famer? 230 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.960 No, Okay, he's not. Okay, Rende Barber, I can look 231 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.880 that up. Yeah, those are some names I think of when I think 232 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:22.599 of Tampa. The first team that I was originally going to say, I 233 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.000 probably shouldn't eve admit this, but I was gonna say Cleveland. I'm thinking, 234 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.400 Wait, Jim drownand's arguably the greatest running back of all time. Joe 235 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.000 Thomas is in that conversation anyway. All Right, So those are two that 236 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:40.319 we've gotten through. Dereck Henry yes or no. Yes, Yeah, they 237 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:47.400 say yes, I said no. I wrote down no needs less than five 238 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.880 hundred rushing yards to reach ten thousand for his career. He's the best of 239 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.640 his era. I don't think that makes you a Hall of Famer. That's 240 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.480 a good point, But I do think that the context of the era should 241 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:03.160 come into account a little bit. Right, Yes, because they this is 242 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.480 not necessarily a running backs league any longer, but way back in the day. 243 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:10.119 I mean, they didn't play seventeen to sixteen games either. But I 244 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.000 get what you're saying. I know we're going to we're up against a break 245 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.440 pretty quick, So I want to get a couple more. I'm not going 246 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.880 to go through all of them. Tyreek Hill, Yes, okay, I 247 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.319 would say so as well. And then this is perhaps the most interesting one. 248 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:33.480 Matthew Stafford for me, Flying Colors. Yes, yeah, they say 249 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.680 no. They say Stafford's two Bro Bowl and zero all Pro nods prevent him 250 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.160 from being future Hall of Fame lock his Super Bowl win in his place in 251 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.799 several career stats standings, however, give him a compelling argument. Eleventh all 252 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.640 time in both passing yards and touchdown passing thrown for three hundred and fifty seven 253 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:55.440 touchdowns. He's thrown for over fifty six thousand yards. So immediately I'm like, 254 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.400 I think he is. And then I realize right after that they have 255 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:10.279 Russell Wilson. They sing no to Russell Wilson. I wonder out loud how 256 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:17.880 much his credibility and his legacy was hurt by going to Denver, even whether 257 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.200 or not he can resurrect it going to Pittsburgh. 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If you want to know what's going on 291 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.000 with the Red Wings, that is where you go, and you can follow 292 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:32.200 him on Twitter on x at M Underscore Boltman. He joins us here on 293 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:36.559 exes and Bros. Max. Thanks as always, appreciate your work, Appreciate 294 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.160 your diligence and your research and all the things that you've done. And I 295 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:48.000 was really taken in by your article yesterday about the Red Wings and not just 296 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:53.839 the draft, but by the free agency and the lack thereof and your honesty 297 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.640 with it. How do you grade? And I'm not looking for a letter 298 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.799 grade, I'm just looking for your opinion, and how do you grade what 299 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:04.160 the Red Wings have done so far, even though it's early on in free 300 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:08.200 agency? Yeah, I think if you look at the moves that they have 301 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.440 made, there's everything's pretty fine. I think it's like a solid yet okay 302 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.480 vision contract here. You know, little value here. But where I struggle 303 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.640 is when I zoom out. I just don't see really other than goaltending, 304 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.720 where I do think they got better. I don't really see many other parts 305 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:27.200 of the game where I look at it and I see a team that's in 306 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.759 a better spot in the standings than they were last year. Now you may 307 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:34.359 say, hey, big picture, they may call some kids up, they 308 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.000 may give some guys playing time, and that's the better thing. I think 309 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:42.279 that's a perfectly reasonable argument. But in terms of competitiveness and you know, 310 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.079 trying to improve on where they were at last year, where they were at 311 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:51.079 tiebreak early from the playoffs, I think a lot of their contributors went elsewhere 312 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.039 yesterday, and I don't really see meaningful upgrades on any of those guys. 313 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.039 Shane Dossis stare walks away. He was their powerplay quarterback. He goes elsewhere 314 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:02.599 for a pretty decent deal. They replace them with their Augustuson, who I 315 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:06.319 think is pretty similar to Gosta Spear but didn't have quite as much offense. 316 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:10.039 Lose David Perron, huge leader, huge party of power play, tough guy, 317 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.039 one of the best down low wall players and puck possessors in the league. 318 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.000 He gets out of town and I don't really see an obvious replacement for 319 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.200 him. So right now, you're right, it's still earlier. They still 320 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.839 got lots of time. But I think there's a few different areas of their 321 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.359 team where maybe you look like, well, did they really get much better? 322 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.960 What would you have liked to have seen them done? It can't be 323 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:36.160 just re signing Gosh, Despair and Perne, because you're basically bringing the same 324 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.480 team back. You don't want that necessarily. What would you have liked to 325 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.400 have seen them do to improve this team? Yeah, it's a great point, 326 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.920 and I think that that is important to not get lost year. To 327 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.519 me, I think what it comes down to is I would have liked to 328 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.559 see a a little bit more meanness, particularly on the blue line. I 329 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.599 think if they could have added a real shutdown D on the right side and 330 00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.599 maybe they still will on the right side, to take some burden off the 331 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.519 more to eat some of those defensive minutes. To me, I think that's 332 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.839 one of the areas they really struggled last year. Was was overburdening more excited, 333 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.480 was keeping the tuck out of their own net? And I also think 334 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:14.559 frankly, I would have probably tried to go out and added forward defensively that 335 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:15.920 could have given them a little bit more. You know, the number that 336 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.799 Alex Wenberg ends up getting is five million dollars at two years. That is 337 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.519 a little steep, So I can understand why they might have wanted to stay 338 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.160 away. But somebody of his profile is kind of what I would have been 339 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.200 looking to do, and maybe they still will. I think, you know, 340 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.880 they needed to improve their team defense. They did that a little bit 341 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.359 with the goaltending, but in terms of the blue line and even the forward 342 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:37.880 core where I thought that, you know, a lot of the issues actually 343 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:42.440 started with having a bunch of forwards who weren't all that defensively responsible. I 344 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.240 think those are kind of the two areas that I point to. You can 345 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.480 read them on the athletic at M underscore Boltman, he's Max Bowman joining us 346 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:56.559 here on X's M bros. Knowing that and understanding about the defense. Like 347 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:02.640 you said, where does this team stand with the possibility of trading for that 348 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:07.599 type of talent that they couldn't sign so far in free agency? Yeah, 349 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.359 and I think that is kind of the key here is Yes, free agency. 350 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.559 You know, a lot of the top names have kind of started to 351 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.599 get off the board here, but you still have time if there's somebody comes 352 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.400 to available. Now, you know, the name that I think was out 353 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:26.000 there and a lot of reports was Jacob Truba. Is that going to happen 354 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.480 now? It sounds like reading some of those same outlets as a New York 355 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.359 Post has really heavily reported on this one, first kind of to bring the 356 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.720 trade delight and then to really downplay it. So maybe that one's not actually 357 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.240 as out there as it sounded like a couple of days ago. If not 358 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.559 that, where else do you look? I don't know the answer to that 359 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:48.519 question. So if it's not that, are there other ways they can get 360 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.240 better? Can they get a little tougher upfront? Can they try to replace 361 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:56.039 some of that on the wing where they had pron playing? I think that's 362 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.759 all possible. But in terms of like throwing a real obvious name out there 363 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.720 for you right now, there's not a big one that's jump into mind. 364 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.160 And I think that's kind of part of where you look at where they're at 365 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.400 right now and you say, okay, well we'll can steve Wedge and then 366 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.519 do here to get this team at least back to where they were at. 367 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.319 Kind of entering the off season. What do you think it would take to 368 00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:21.200 get Truba in a Wings uniform. It's a great question. I don't know. 369 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.400 To me, I think that the biggest question I have. He's got 370 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.359 no trade clause and he obviously has some control over his situation. I think 371 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.799 the biggest thing it would take is the New York Rangers retaining a lot of 372 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.119 cap space in Jacob true would being willing to come. I don't know the 373 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.160 answer on either of those two questions. I'm not saying that that I do, 374 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.119 but you know, to me, he did sit a profile that checked 375 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.720 a lot of those boxes they've talked about. He's a great decisive defense and 376 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.200 he's one of the most physical players in the NHL. When his name was 377 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.640 out there in some of those reports, I think there was a real obvious 378 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.440 fit, especially because he didn't come with too much term on his existing contract. 379 00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:02.039 But I I don't know if that is still on the table or if 380 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:07.240 it ever was. Frankly, so that's maybe that ship's kind of not sailing 381 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.440 to again. I don't know how real it was or not, but it's 382 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.559 certainly not seeming like a likely avenue right now. What do you think they 383 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:21.000 needed more of scoring or defensive protection. It's a good question to me. 384 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.720 The answer I think would have been defense. I think you find others who 385 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.759 would say scoring. You look at when Dylan Larkin was out and how much 386 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.119 they missed him. I think that that's a reasonable time of the year where 387 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.200 they could have used more offense. But I think at the end of the 388 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.880 day, I still look at it and see they were the ninth highest scoring 389 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.400 team in the NHL, and it was the defensive end where I think they 390 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.720 really got dead. So I think they Ideally you want both and you did 391 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.200 find a way to keep Patrick Kane if you're the Red Wings, so that 392 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.240 helps with the scoring. It's on the way to keep Christian Fisher. That 393 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.680 helps with some of the you know, the matchups. He he's a really 394 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.240 nice matchup player for the Red Wings. They probably needed it to improve both, 395 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.200 but I think the defense there was more room for improvement, and so 396 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:06.440 I think maybe that's why it stood out to me. The top need Max 397 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:10.400 Bolman joining us from the Athletic here on Exus and Bros. Read his stuff 398 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:15.400 on the Athletic and make sure that you fall him on x at M underscore 399 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.799 Boltman this opens the door for younger players, and I love what you wrote. 400 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.400 You basically said you can't have it both ways. You can't say, 401 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.480 hey, I want to see the young guys, but on the other hand, 402 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.720 I want to sign all these veterans too. There has to be a 403 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.279 nice mix, so it opens the door. Who do you think this takes 404 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.759 advantage of this scenario most in terms of the younger players with the Red Wings 405 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:44.599 who are vying for NHL playing time. Yeah, and I think we have 406 00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.559 to see if the rest of the off season to play out to see if 407 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.119 those spots hold. But if so, two guys i'd point to, Carter 408 00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.720 Maser and Jonathan Bergrian are both guys who I think are kind of at the 409 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.200 fringe of will they be ready for the NHL to start the season. They 410 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.480 start the season in Green Rapids. They both I thought had really good playoffs 411 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.200 in the AHL this year, and they both have a little bit more of 412 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:08.279 that hard to play against the profile. They are rookies, so you don't 413 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:13.079 want to expect too much out of him in that way too fast. But 414 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.079 I think they're both tough kids. I think they're both smart kids, responsible 415 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:21.319 hockey players, and I think Maser in particular, has shown some pretty nice 416 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.720 goalscoring Isis have been actually really praised his shot at his press conference a couple 417 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:29.559 of weeks ago before the draft. So maybe one of those guys is a 418 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.200 guy who can carve out more of a role than we were maybe expecting. 419 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.319 And if that's the case, I think there's something to be said for that. 420 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.519 But they've also said they don't want to really leave spaces for some of 421 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.440 these kids yet, they want to make them bump somebody out. So we'll 422 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.039 see if there's any other moves coming and if those remain as clear a path 423 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.480 as they are right now. Yeah, Max, let me ask you this 424 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.279 pressure yourself induced, right, We all know that, but you write about 425 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:59.119 it. I talk about it in regards to Steve Eisman and the job he's 426 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.640 done. How much pressure additional pressure, I should say, do you think 427 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:08.759 will be on the general manager going into this season knowing that sure they've gotten 428 00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:13.920 better in terms of points, and they're getting closer to postseason play, but 429 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.319 the East is so tough, and especially the division. How much more pressure 430 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:22.240 does he do you think he gets from the public and from you and your 431 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:28.480 colleagues going into this season. Yeah, see, I think some now, 432 00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:34.039 you know, coming into April and May, I did think it was possible 433 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.160 for them that this would happen just because of the salary cap. That the 434 00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.759 biggest obstacle of the other things are fighting right now is that they have to 435 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:44.160 get more excited in Lucas Raymond. Two of their best end players on new 436 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.480 contracts this year, and those deals have not been done yet. We know 437 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:52.720 they're going to take up somewhere between ten and fifteen million more in tap space 438 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.319 than those two guys counted for last year. Deals I think are going to 439 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.079 come in somewhere between like six and nine million for both of them, as 440 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.359 when I would ballpark right for each of them, I should say. So 441 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.920 it gets harder when you're concentrating that money there to also spend the other places. 442 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.559 And I think we do have to be conscious of that that they are 443 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.599 those are the realities of their cap situation. But when you come within a 444 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.519 tiebreaker of the playoffs, you know, expectations do go up, and with 445 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.960 expectations comes pressure, especially for a team that's you know, been after this 446 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.679 for a while and is seeing some of its young kind of core members keep 447 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.400 ticking up in age, right, Dylan Larkin is going to be twenty eight 448 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:36.199 this summer, and you know, you haven't been to a playoff game since 449 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.199 this first season with the Red Wings. So doesn't mean they have to rush. 450 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.719 It doesn't mean they abandoned the plan or anything like that. But I 451 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.800 do think that that's where the pressure comes from, is building a winner on 452 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.239 schedule to get the most out of some of their important pieces. What do 453 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:57.079 you like or don't like about their goalie situation with who's so lion now Talbot 454 00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:01.599 and Campbell? Well, I liked how especially in particularly the durability showed last 455 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:06.360 year nine thirteen safe percentage for LA in fifty four games. You'll take that 456 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.719 all bait. That's an NHL starting goalie. So I like that edition. 457 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.159 I like the contract. He's thirty seven, but he was thirty six last 458 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.599 year. It was pretty good, right, So I'm not ready to write 459 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.719 it off just yet in terms of, you know, where's that age curve 460 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.960 coming? What I am still unsure about is they've now got a lot of 461 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.159 money tied up there and they have three guys tied up there, and it 462 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.519 didn't sound like that was their hope to have three guys in the NHL again 463 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.239 next year. Goalies don't always like that. It's hard to share two nets 464 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.800 between three guys at practices, let alone in games. We'll see what if 465 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.239 there's something else coming there, and my guess would be that there would be, 466 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.679 especially because they also went out and signed Jack Campbell. I think that 467 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.000 one's more of a number three. I'd expect that he's probably in Grand Rapids 468 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.159 with Sebastian Kosa. But there's got a lot of guys in the goalie room 469 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.679 now, and so what I like, I think they got better. What 470 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.800 I'm not sure if I like is is it little too crowded there right now? 471 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.440 But I still got time. You brought up age, so I want 472 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.639 your opinion on this. How old is too old in the NHL. It's 473 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.360 different based on the sport you play. We've seen guys play deep into their 474 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.840 late thirties, sometimes early forties and still be very successful and very productive. 475 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.679 And the reason I asked this is not just because of what you said about 476 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.079 Talbot, but also because of what Nashville did with Stamkos and Marshashaw, who 477 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:31.239 are thirty four and thirty three respectively, and signed long term deals. Yeah, 478 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:34.719 and I think that's the question that a lot of teams are trying to 479 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.519 work other it. I think some people would tell you that it's a little 480 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.719 different bar for the superstars, right similar like Patrick Kane, who's thirty five. 481 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.519 I don't think there's any reason to think Patrick Kane slowing down in the 482 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.239 next two or three years. Necessarily he's he's got an elite hockey brain, 483 00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.360 he's got great hockey hands. Steven Stamkos has a great shot. These are 484 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.960 things that we don't expect are leaving you with age, but it does come 485 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.199 for everybody. And I think probably and if I then have the exact same 486 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.840 fairy person you are talking about, kind of in that thirty five ranges where 487 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.480 you start to get worried. And if I had to guess, why did 488 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.039 the Red Wings not give Stephen Sanpost that same contract that Nashville did, it's 489 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.280 the term factor will be the first thing that I would point to. They 490 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.079 got Patrick Kane on the one year deal, and I think when you look 491 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.320 at what they wanted to do, that makes a little more sense for them. 492 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.920 They given four years to Stephen stampos Let alone, if they got Kane 493 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.599 has less money, So I do think that that term factor, that age 494 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.480 factor that you're talking about, is probably one of the reasons why we didn't 495 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.280 see the Red Wings in on some of these top top names. And I 496 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.320 think that's a perfectly reasonable decision to make by them. It's just you got 497 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.000 to find another way then to get better if you're not going to do it 498 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.079 by that avenue. I don't want to say you were underwhelmed with their draft, 499 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.559 but I'm not sure you were raising the flag for the men they drafted 500 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.280 either or the boys, the eighteen year olds that they drafted. What was 501 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.800 your overall take on the hall that they pulled in on draft day or draft 502 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.360 Well. I really like their first round pick, Michael brand mcneguard is was 503 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.880 one of my favorite prospects in this draft. He's got some size and he 504 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.000 plays a real complete game. He'll get in on the fore check, he's 505 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.280 a great defensive player, and he's got one of the best shots in the 506 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:15.719 draft. To me, that's a player that you can find a use for 507 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.719 in a bunch of different places in your lineup. I think the most likely 508 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.599 is in your top six. So I really like that pick at fifteen, 509 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.880 and I was impressed by Max plant their second round pick. He wasn't somebody 510 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.920 that was maybe as much on my radar at that spot in the draft coming 511 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.840 in, But after talking to a few people about him right after that pick, 512 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.599 I can kind of see what they're going for there. He's a playmaker. 513 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.519 He's a guy who's showing he's got a lot of offense, and that's 514 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.599 something that they lack in their system, you know, in terms of being 515 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.280 underwell, I would say it's like a solid B draft. I don't think 516 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.199 there's anything wrong with it. Like you said, I do think, you 517 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.679 know, you still kind of wondering can they find in the draft this guy 518 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.639 who's going to outperform where they were drafted. I think that that's something you 519 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.719 need the NHL if you're just going and you're hitting on your first round picks 520 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.480 and you're not really getting a big find later in the draft, and I 521 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.679 think it's really hard to get better quickly. They have one of those guys 522 00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.800 that's who I mentioned earlier in Carter Maser. He was a third round pick 523 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.840 a couple of years back, and he definitely looks like he's going to make 524 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.639 the NHL. He's going to outperform where he was picked, they got a 525 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.400 couple of defense and they've picked in the second round. I do believe we're 526 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.880 going to make the NHL, but I still think you're kind of looking for 527 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.440 a little bit more of that. But the deal with the NHL draft check 528 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.719 is, you know this, obviously, it takes these guys so much longer 529 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.400 after the first round. Once you get beyond the first round, you're talking 530 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.719 about probably four or five years before you're going to see these kids in the 531 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.480 NHL. So I guess we're just going to have to kind of see where 532 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.159 it goes, all right. Lastly, real quick, overall NHL free agency. 533 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:51.400 You know, whether it be I don't care, Mantha going to you 534 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:55.639 know, where do you go to Calgary, or whether it be Marcia show 535 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.559 going to Tampa or Gensel going or Marcia's so going to a Nashville or against 536 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.280 going to Tampa. What was your thoughts overall on on the NHL free agency 537 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.119 and the biggest surprise perhaps well, I think I saw that it was the 538 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.000 first time that a billion dollars was spent on July one and in total contracts, 539 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:21.920 So that was a one big headline. A lot of term Washington, 540 00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:23.800 I think was a team that I didn't expect to go the route that they 541 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.920 did. You know, they were the team that got in the playoffs on 542 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.119 that tiebreaker over Detroit last year, and they brought in some win now guys 543 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.840 and Jacob Chickrin who they traded for at a pretty good price, and then 544 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.239 Matt Roy who was a defenseman. I think a lot of people saw as 545 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.280 fitting that you know, shut down right d roll the Red Wings made. 546 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.079 He's a local product. A lot of people thought that could be a fit. 547 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.239 Well, he got a whopper of a contract from the Capitol seven years 548 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.960 and I think it was five or five and a half million with the AAV 549 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.840 So you could see why the Ouvans probably wouldn't have gone to that that number 550 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.800 with him, but the Capitals all of a sudden and I spent in you 551 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.199 know, I think what you will about Piles Dubois and the gamble that they 552 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.280 make in trading for him. There, they are a team that looks like 553 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.719 they should be better than they were this last year when they got into the 554 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.199 playoffs. So from a Red Wings perspective, I think might be take away 555 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.000 with a lot of the team that the Red Things are trying to catch to 556 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.719 not make it any easier to catch them. Well, threw a lot at 557 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.960 you this morning and you handled it all exceptionally. Well, no surprise, 558 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.159 they're great stuff with the athletic great stuff on X or on Twitter. Max, 559 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.280 thanks for the time today, Man, Really appreciate it. Keep up 560 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.320 the great work. But I appreciate you listening and appreciate you joining us and 561 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.880 educating our listeners a little bit more. Hey, my pleasure, Matt. 562 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.840 Thanks so much for having me and appreciate your reaching out. 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