WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:57.399 In presentation is all Marvel Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around the 2 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:02.079 world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files. As we 3 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:04.719 will record this evening. It's Thursday, May fourth, twenty twenty three. 4 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:10.120 Hope everybody had a great week as we roll into the weekend, I hope 5 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.079 you've enjoyed all the interviews that we've done lately. I need to do a 6 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:15.920 standaloade here in the next week. I've got so many emails to share in, 7 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.280 so many voice messages to share, and I'll try to get that here 8 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.920 in the next few days to a week. And we do have as Zeloc 9 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.280 on the board one two. I think we still have seven or eight interviews 10 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.640 for the rest of this month, so a lot of content come in your 11 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:34.480 way. Don't forget to send your emails to the excuse me, the flat 12 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.560 earth Files at gmail dot com. Again, it's the flat earth Files at 13 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.400 gmail dot com, and we'll get to them. I think I'm pretty much 14 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:48.079 caught up on the emails, and do please stop by the website, the 15 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:53.280 flat earth Files dot com. Lots of content in the forum. The chat 16 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.200 room is always buzzing. I stopped in this afternoon. I think there was 17 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.599 four or five people in there having a great conversation, so please do swing 18 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:05.200 by and check it out. All right, guys, I think that's all 19 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:09.879 we need to talk about before we bring in our guests. And Josiah reached 20 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.159 out, I'm up ten days ago. We're so and we had a good 21 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.879 conversation back and forth, and it's really a pleasure to have him on this 22 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:23.039 episode. Please help us. Welcome Josiah, sir. How are you doing 23 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.800 today? I'm doing awesome. How you doing doing really good? Thanks again 24 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:31.120 for joining us, and please take the time and introduce yourself to the audience. 25 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:36.560 Yeah for sure, my name is Josiah. I'm thirty two years old. 26 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:40.840 I live in Utah in the rockies, and yeah, whatever do you 27 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:45.159 want to know about me? Like, did you get going? Just your 28 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.719 background, a little bit about yourself, so the folks have an idea where 29 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:52.960 you're coming from, your your education, your you know anything you'd like to 30 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:57.719 discuss about your background. Yeah for sure. I grew up in Utah, 31 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.840 roll Utah, and I did not grow up LDS or a Latter day Saints 32 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:06.439 as people know Mormons to be. Yeah, so I grew up actually my 33 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:10.639 parents were evangelical missionaries here in Utah, and I you know, I've lived 34 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.280 here since I was two. After I turned eighteen, I moved around and 35 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.039 stuff. But I think we get more into my story as we I don't 36 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:23.960 want to talk like too much about like religions and shut, but obviously it 37 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:29.039 plays in that. Yeah, the cosmos in the flat earth a topic at 38 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:31.560 hand. So yeah, when I was a kid, I was not a 39 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:36.000 Mormon. And I was actually the only kid in my class all the way 40 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:40.120 through public school not a Mormon. And I think this might play into my 41 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.759 story a lot, and hopefully if we get into more heavy topics and whatnot. 42 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.080 But I think that understanding what is a lie is not the same as 43 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.280 understanding what the truth is, and so I would like to get into that 44 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.719 a bit. But yeah, as a kid, I had to learn a 45 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:01.360 lot about the Mormon religion. And I'm not talking about Mormon people necessarily, 46 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.039 because I don't know what individuals believe. But when it comes about it comes 47 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:10.039 to like Mormonism and whatnot. Like I learned about all the lies, right, 48 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:15.240 And I think that's what you know if you're labeled like the truth community. 49 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.600 I think a lot of the truth community understands a lot of lies, 50 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.279 but a lot of people don't really know where to look for truth. So 51 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:25.839 hopefully I can shed some light on that. But continuing my story, when 52 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:30.519 I turned eighteen, you know, I went back backing through like Costa Rica, 53 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:35.879 and if I'm relaying it to the flat Earth or whatever, I'm not 54 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.839 even sure it is flat just you know, to give a little bit of 55 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:47.360 a disclosure here, I'm not sure it's technically like quote unquote flat, but 56 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.360 I do what I do know it's not a ball in space, right, 57 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:56.399 so, and I know you've talked about how you don't want to necessarily call 58 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.480 it flat earth because but it works for the marketing right for your podcast. 59 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:05.439 And so I do remember though in Costa Rica, and I remember, like 60 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:09.680 I lived in Australia for a couple of years as well, and I was 61 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.680 not and I did not understand the lie at that point, but I do. 62 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.680 I do remember looking at the sunsets and being like, what looks different 63 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.079 about the sun, Like why does it look so different? And now I 64 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.560 think I understand why it looks different because I was on a different part of 65 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.879 the map. You know, I'm educated in art. I got my degree 66 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.439 actually in the town that I grew up in, and then I went overseas 67 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:39.439 and I got a diploma of ministry and then I worked in churches for six 68 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:46.680 years actually as creative producer. And that's actually you know, in twenty fifteen 69 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.399 or so twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen is when I first came across the idea 70 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:57.639 that people believe the Earth was flat. And I was like, what I 71 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.600 could people believe? There's so I looked up the out of society and you 72 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:04.920 know that propaganda worked for worked, and I was like, this is ridiculous, 73 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:11.399 Like what is it eight miles an hour upwards movement to um to compensate 74 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:16.800 for the gravity thing and like this flat pancake and in outer space and things 75 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:21.639 like that. And I was just a little ignorant to the whole idea. 76 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:28.600 And now I know better, I think, But yeah, um so, 77 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.759 twenty twenty, I guess is kind of a big year for me, as 78 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.120 it was for a lot of people around the world, I assume. Um 79 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:42.319 So, I got I went through a divorce literally like in January. My 80 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:47.680 divorce like was like it was just like that sudden, like everything seemed fine. 81 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.680 Twenty nineteen twenty twenty came around, and then you know, my wife 82 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:56.800 just like left and there was no infidelity or any abuse or anything like that, 83 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.600 and she just wanted something different. So I went through a horse and 84 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.360 then, um, that was before you know the COVID stuff. Yeah, 85 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:11.240 and the lockdowns happened. Um, and that's actually when I met my current 86 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:15.319 wife right now. Um, and then I got married you know later, 87 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.120 and I adopted her daughter. And yeah, now we have a kid of 88 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.879 our own, like a little baby. And he actually pooped everywhere today, 89 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:27.800 Like he literally took his took his diaper off and smeared it everywhere anyway, 90 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:33.160 So that's how my day's been so far. Twenty twenty. Okay, going 91 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.079 back to twenty twenty, I totaled my car. Okay, this is the 92 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:41.920 story. I totaled my car. And then I had this little vest Fus 93 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.040 scooter and I was driving that around and as I was driving, I was 94 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.199 going like forty five miles an hour, my front tie I hit like a 95 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:53.319 water meter and my front tire started falling off, and so I totaled my 96 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.959 scooter as well. I have scars all over my body to prove that. 97 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:03.240 And then um, the lockdowns were still happening, right, and then I 98 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.560 I was telling my boss, like, we need to open up, man, 99 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.399 Like I was, I'm no longer working at church in that at that 100 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.000 point, and I was managing a coffee shop and I lost my job because 101 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.160 they couldn't financially hold on to everybody because of the lockdown they locked down. 102 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.560 I was like, goodness, I figured out a way for us to do 103 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.240 like a drive through thing. But never mind. So then after that, 104 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.839 my best friend had a stroke, my grandpa died, and you know, 105 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.120 and then there was everything with like the lockdowns and churches shutting down and all 106 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.120 that kind of stuff. So there's a lot going on. Any questions, 107 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.399 No, No, not at all. It's I certainly think twenty twenty qualifies 108 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.879 for a bad year for you for sure. That that's a lot of bad 109 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.240 luck to happen in one year. And you know, that's the story that 110 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.879 resonates with a lot of people in twenty twenty. It's amazing that you know, 111 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:01.600 companies like Walmart and even Amazon boomed because of you know, what went 112 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.320 on at the same time they destroyed so many small businesses. Yeah, but 113 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.039 I think what it did for me is that I like, you know, 114 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:15.559 when you lose everything, you're more open to anything. Yeah, so that's 115 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:18.000 kind of what happened. And I have some good friends, you know, 116 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.480 and I have friends who were like, hey, check this out, check 117 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:22.799 this video out. And one friend in specific, and whom I talked to 118 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.320 before this podcast because I was like, I don't know if I should do 119 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.000 this podcast or not. He's like, you should do it, man like, 120 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.960 because and he was the friend who was sharing like a bunch of little 121 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.039 videos to me. And one, the one that really caught my attention was 122 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.919 like the first spacewalk and how fake that looked. And I was like, 123 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:45.519 what the heck NASA and you know, everything like that. Um. A 124 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.559 little disclaimer though, like regarding flat Earth, I don't want to be like 125 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.159 too misleading, like quote unquote flat Earth, I don't even know. I 126 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.879 don't want to even be convincing because if I'm honest, my journey to truth, 127 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.440 I'm still on that journey, right and I'm I'm even convinced. I'm 128 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.480 not even is the Earth is like quote unquote flat, But I know it's 129 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.519 not a bald space like I said, and I'm sure I'm sure of that. 130 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.639 And I guess that's the place I'd like to speak from today. And 131 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.679 there are some things I'm convinced of that I believe I know, such as 132 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:20.159 NASA's deceptions and other government deceptions. But in contrast, I'm confident that the 133 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.840 Word of God will tell me the truth so long as I'm understanding what he's 134 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.200 saying correctly. So there are a plethora of other discoveries that will hopefully lead 135 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.679 me along a path of at least proper questioning and rational ideas throughout this discussion. 136 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:37.000 And if it's all right with you, I'd like to get through my 137 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.399 story quick so we can just like dive into it because I think my story 138 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:45.200 will come up throughout the discussion. If that makes sense, Yeah, absolutely, 139 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:50.320 go right ahead, Yeah all right. So the reason I wanted to 140 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.440 come on the podcast and speak public is because, even though it makes me 141 00:10:52.519 --> 00:11:00.200 uncomfortable, I think speaking publicly is what provides conviction in one's life. My 142 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.440 life, especially accountability for one's thoughts is something I think everyone needs, and 143 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.279 I know I do. As as dangerous as it is to never take a 144 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.120 stance before two or three witnesses, I think is far worse because I think 145 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.080 that means you don't really have a true belief. So I want to encourage 146 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.399 anyone out there, like, if you, you know, believe something, 147 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.679 you do need to tell people otherwise, like you don't really have that conviction, 148 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:35.159 you feel that George a little bit? Oh sorry I had I was 149 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.080 muted. Yeah, I completely understand what you're side. Okay, I was 150 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.159 like where to go? So yeah, I just wanted to disclose myself from 151 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:48.639 proper light before we get started, and by all means like if anybody here's 152 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.639 something that I say that's framed improperly or is like a flat out deception that 153 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.639 I still haven't sifted out and pured purified my mind of, like please email 154 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.440 me and let me know. I have like a dedicated email at oil Swims 155 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.440 Live at gmail dot com. So um, I can give that to you, 156 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.279 George, because you've been using a different email. But and maybe you 157 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:11.960 can put it in the show descriptions. But yeah, sure people would like 158 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.960 talk to me, um, because I have I had this like live podcast 159 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000 I started last year which I kind of put on break, but I'm probably 160 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.159 going to jump back into it and it's more like Bible related good bye scripture 161 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:30.480 related content. Um. But yeah, there's the dedicated email oil Swims Live 162 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.159 at gmail dot com. Okay, and we'll get that in the show description 163 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.679 for sure, so people can reach out to you. Yeah, for sure. 164 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.679 All right, do you have any comments? Yeah, you've You've done 165 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:43.559 a great job introducing yourself in your background, and I think people can kind 166 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:48.320 of understand where you're coming from. Um, I guess we can start with 167 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.080 um, let me ask you this, where did and again I'm using air 168 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:56.840 quotes, you know, flat Earth or where did that fallow in your journey 169 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.480 to the truth? Like have you gone down to the rabbit hole prior to 170 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.399 this? Like were you a nine to eleven truther or you know, a 171 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:09.879 moon landing hoax type of guy, a JFK guy or what was this one 172 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:16.399 of the first steps in the truth community. It's an interesting question because I've 173 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:22.519 always been I think I knew that nine to eleven was was a government job, 174 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.399 and you know that obviously, like that year, you know, that 175 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.639 year after I was still pretty young though. UM let's see how old was 176 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.639 I was in middle school? You'd been about ten eleven years old by then, 177 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.840 right, yeah, sixth grade. But I remember like at least a 178 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.200 couple of years after that, my friends were showing me like, hey, 179 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.360 this was an inside job. Like you know, in middle school, you're 180 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.759 look looking at everything on the internet, and the internet was brand new back 181 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.519 then, so you're always trying to discover things on it. But sure, 182 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.039 yeah, I remember watching videos and I was like, oh, like, 183 00:13:54.639 --> 00:14:00.440 yeah, that does look like a like an inside job. So um. 184 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.039 But I mean I was really young and I didn't really care too much, 185 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:09.039 you know, I cared more about like basketball or whatever. So um, 186 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.759 as far as the moon landing go, I was pretty convinced that we landed 187 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:18.159 on the moon until man um, before twenty twenty, I started really being 188 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.039 like, I don't think we did. But then definitely in the last year, 189 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.279 I've done a lot more research the last two years, done a lot 190 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:33.080 more research, and I'm positive we did not. It's so ridiculous, George, 191 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.759 I can't even like, like, what the freak man, I can't 192 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.399 believe I believe that. So yeah, my my journey has been pretty recent 193 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.919 honestly, like last three years or so, and and this is um a 194 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.720 story that we continue to hear where something about that year twenty twenty. It's 195 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.120 like I think people either got it or they didn't get it right because I 196 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.679 continue to say that they seemed play to overplay their hand with COVID, and 197 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.799 I guess an addition, we can say things like people had more time, 198 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.559 more time on their hand, they weren't traveling to and from work. So 199 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.159 I think a lot of people with the extra time they had, they started 200 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:20.399 to do a little more research because there's just so many reasons things they said 201 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.480 it didn't add up. And people, again they started to do their own 202 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.200 research. They would come out and say things that didn't make sense. Something 203 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.279 that I wanted to add before I forget. I got an email today from 204 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.720 a gentleman named Michael, and we're talking about a lot of the things that 205 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:43.440 we deal with on a daily basis is deceptions from Satan, and he said 206 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:48.440 something that was really really interesting. He said he started to watch a show 207 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:56.200 called I Think Ancient Conspiracies and the host states that she believes that Satan has 208 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:04.159 a counterfeit for everything God has, and that really really made me stop and 209 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.000 think, and like, you know what, You're exactly right, everything that 210 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:11.840 God creates, Satan has a counterfeit too, And that led me direct, 211 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.039 you know, the ball is Satan's counterfeit. What are your thoughts on that? 212 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:22.240 Oh, totally. I would love to get into some scripture because, 213 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.519 like I said, and I hope that's okay. But like I said, 214 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.480 I think a lot of people in the quote unquote truth community focus on lies. 215 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.679 I think a lot of people are understanding they know the truth about the 216 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.080 lies, but they don't know the truth about the truth. And I think 217 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.960 that if you're looking at documents, like ancient documents that share truth, there's 218 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:47.480 no more like better founded books than the books of the Bible that have been 219 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.919 preserved better than any other book in history. And so if you're looking at 220 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.480 the Bible and you don't understand that the Bible talks about this stuff like, 221 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.600 there's a lot, I'm excited for you that because there's a lot to look 222 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.160 at. And I think a lot of people get asked this question like, 223 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.119 um, why does it matter? You know? And I used to get 224 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:08.920 annoyed by that question because it's like, what do you mean why does it 225 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.160 matter? Like it's like the earth is not what you think it is, 226 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:17.119 like you've been lied to about that. But I actually love that question now 227 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:22.079 because the reason why it matters is not just not because it's a lie, 228 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:27.920 right. The reason it matters is because it ties into everything including like language 229 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:34.920 and calendars and everything like that, and there's man as far as like deceptions 230 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.160 go to. Like I used to think that there's like a lot of bad 231 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.079 actors. I know there's a few bad actors, but like when you're talking 232 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:48.839 about like Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, you could even include like lots of 233 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.319 people who are on this are probably conservative Watch Daily Wire, Tim Pool. 234 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:57.279 I don't think these people are in on it. I just think that they're 235 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:03.160 programmed, well, you know, I think they're essentially bots. They're fully 236 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.000 convinced of their own sovereignty because I think that like Tim Poole, he doesn't 237 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.920 believe. He doesn't even these people don't even consider that the Earth could be 238 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.160 a different shape, right, Oh no. So yeah, And I've watched 239 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.160 I've listened to their like long form conversations and stuff, and it's like they're 240 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.880 not faking it. I don't think they're faking it. If they are, 241 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.319 they're really freaking good actors, because actors can only fake it for so long, 242 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.200 I think. So, I don't know, what do you think about 243 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.640 that? I don't know enough about Tim Poole. I've watched him a few 244 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:37.759 times. I know, like many people like that. There's a comedian Jimmy 245 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.000 Doore. I think his name is that a lot of the classic liberals have 246 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.920 abandoned it. I don't like to talk too much about politics, but a 247 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:47.960 lot of the classic liberals and I'm using air quotes here, have abandoned the 248 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:53.079 what they call the Democratic Party now because they use the term progressive and that's 249 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:59.000 just code name for evil when you look at things like the transgender agenda and 250 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:03.440 the mutilation of children. You know what I'm getting at here? They you 251 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:10.599 know, I think there's exactly and again it talks about what did we just 252 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:15.440 say, right? Satan has a counterfeit for everything. They want you to 253 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.160 think that God made a mistake and put a boy in a little girl's body. 254 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.799 That was God's mistake, and we as humans are going to fix it. 255 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.519 Right. That is pure evil one hundred percent. And we deal with 256 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:29.599 this stuff on a daily basis. And getting back to the truth, you 257 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.720 know, within the truth community, the biggest problem we have, and getting 258 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:38.039 back to your point why we should use the Bible as our most basic reference 259 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:45.000 is because we really don't know the True History. On my other podcast I've 260 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:48.000 been doing for three years, I've pointed out that just about every single narrative 261 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:55.279 over the last just over the last two hundred and fifty years, has been 262 00:19:55.359 --> 00:20:00.279 counterfeit. And the good guys in the history book are not always the good 263 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.119 guys. Um. But you're not going to go wrong with the Bible. 264 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.279 Yeah, And the Hebrew in the Bible is key, like that's that's the 265 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.799 gold star, right, the Hebrew. Because the English language in general, 266 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:19.960 I mean English is founded in in like Wicken ideologies and whatnot. So I 267 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:26.680 mean you think about like curse words, uh spelling, we're literally like casting 268 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:34.079 spells with our cursive cursive spelling, like witchcraft. These these terms are witchcraft, 269 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:41.079 Like Hollywood is holy wood, like the top of the Hollywood lookout has 270 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:45.720 a big old drop of blood. Like our language there's only one word for 271 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.359 love, when like in Hebrew there's multiples in other languages, there's multiples like 272 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.079 a lot of different languages, but also in Hebrew. And I don't know 273 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.039 Hebrew, so I don't I don't want to give any wrong ideas here, 274 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:02.000 But in Hebrew you can put like little markers in there to let people know 275 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.039 who's there. You can play with the words to be like, oh, 276 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:10.519 this is a counterfeit from this other word, like um, I'm sure we'll 277 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:14.119 talk about Babel a little bit or Babylon. But the Tara of Babel, 278 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:17.920 they were making a name for themselves. Well, the word name there is 279 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:22.200 Shem, which is close to Shem, which is a son of Noah. 280 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.599 Right, so Noah like was preserved through the flood, his son who who 281 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:30.720 received his inheritance, his name was Shem. And so Babylon, the Tower 282 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:34.960 of Babel was to create a Shem for themselves to create their own inheritance. 283 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.319 So things like that, like the gold is where the Hebrew is man and 284 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:44.880 we totally miss it in the English. We miss what love is. We 285 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:52.240 miss even like the English, like Bible tells the truth about the cosmos, 286 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:59.839 but it's hidden because we get these ideas like we're we're we're bound to believe 287 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.839 spells like the spelling of things. And when we look at Genesis, like 288 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:08.839 you can read through Genesis and you can literally see like we were made out 289 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:15.039 of the waters. There's verses like just twenty four where you see, um, 290 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.839 do not make for yourself's carved damage or any likeness which is in heavens 291 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.880 above, which is in earth beneath, which is in the waters under the 292 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:27.640 earth Philippians two tens. So the New Testament as well. There's every niche 293 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:32.480 about of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, 294 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.599 and every tongue should convest that Yeshia Messiah is master to the esteem of 295 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.599 Ello, Him the Father. So um, there's I could just keep reading 296 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:47.000 these verses, but no one in heaven, on earth, or under the 297 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:52.079 earth was able to open the scroller or to look at it. Praise him. 298 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.000 Heavens of heavens, you waters above the heavens. So like the Bible 299 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.920 talks about a firmament, right, if you've listened to you know who can't 300 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.640 Hoven is yeah, of course, yeah, he's great. He has a 301 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.920 YouTube channel. Everybody should subscribe to it, for sure. But I think 302 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.720 also can't. Hoven has this idea that like the firmament was waters, right, 303 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:15.720 there were waters in the heavens, and so this is you know, 304 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.599 his idea. This is now what the Bible says. The Bible says there's 305 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.880 waters above the firmament, that's right. And so this this verse Psalm one 306 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:26.000 forty eight says you waters above the heavens. David is saying there's still waters 307 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.200 above the heavens even after the flood. And this is a problem for people 308 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:36.519 who say they're they believe in scripture in the Bible, yet they they ascribe 309 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:42.880 to this because like Georgie can't like flood an enclosure without adding water too, 310 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:48.359 or you can't flood an ecosystem without adding water from someplace else. Right. 311 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:56.400 I used to have a crusted geckos y and these crusted geckos they needed more 312 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.440 humidity than what allows for in the West in the Hockeys. It's really dry 313 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:04.519 here, right, So I made an enclosure. I made a little ecosystem 314 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.920 with a waterfall, a heat lamp, and literally like clouds would start kind 315 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.519 of you know, yeah, like kind of in the in the top of 316 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.880 that enclosure and everything. It was like a little ecosystem. Well, like, 317 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:22.519 good luck flooding that without adding water to it, right, And I 318 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:25.160 don't think it's a problem to like, you know, people believe like, 319 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.400 oh, you can flood floot a ball, Like the problem isn't necessarily a 320 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:32.640 ball if you believe in gravity. The problem is you can't flood the whole 321 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:38.319 earth unless you bring water in from someplace else, right, And Genesis says 322 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.000 we were made out of the waters. You can go to first second Pewter 323 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.440 three eight and it also says that we were created out of the waters. 324 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.359 And there's a lot more to that. But I mean, that's a that's 325 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.279 a major problem for people who have a faith. I think, do you 326 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:57.279 have any thoughts on that you're you're crushing, that you're doing You're doing great, 327 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:03.440 and that is the key um is the waters above the waters below. 328 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.480 But you make some really great points about us being derived from water. Going 329 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.799 back to Ken Hooven and other preachers, including many pastors that I have, 330 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.319 if you even try to have a conversation about them the firmament and try to 331 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.920 not even say the words flat earth, but just try to say, hey, 332 00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:26.960 you know, this ball is a huge deception. The problem therein lies 333 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:32.599 really when these when these guys go to theology classes, this is the information 334 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.759 that they're being fed instead of sitting down. And if you just break down 335 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.240 the chapter one of Genesis, verse by verse, you'll realize the balls a 336 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.200 lie. Would you would you agree with that? Yeah? I mean, 337 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.279 we could totally do that. I mean Genesis one one says in the beginning 338 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.680 God created the heaven and the earth. That word heaven there is semim, 339 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:59.880 which is like multiple firmaments um. And the earth was without form and void, 340 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.000 and darkness was upon the face of the deep. So you have a 341 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.240 face of the deep there. If the spirit of God moving upon the face 342 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.440 of the waters can then if you go to verse six and it says, 343 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.759 and God said, let there be a firmament, the word there firmament is 344 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.279 rokia, which is properly an expanse, that is a firmament, apparently a 345 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:25.240 visible arch of the sky. And that cannot be used for like gas or 346 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.480 water. It's a firm structure like hammered out of like a table. Right, 347 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.799 it's a hard thing, right, it's not the van Allen radiation belt. 348 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.240 No, they can't get they can't get to the moon because there's a 349 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.599 firmament in the way. Man, that's right, okay. And there's a 350 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:47.079 firmament where in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters 351 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.759 from the waters. So it's like there was waters, right, and there's 352 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.960 a circle on the face of the deep. And then he put a firmament 353 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.640 down on the face of the deep, and he divided the waters that were 354 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.240 above the firmament from the waters that were beneath the firmament. And if you 355 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.000 read Jubilees, which is an apocryphal book, it says that he drained the 356 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.400 waters out of the firmament, outside of the firmament, right, which is 357 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:14.599 interesting. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the 358 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.759 fermament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 359 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:22.920 And God called the firmament heaven. So where's heaven right above the firmament or 360 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.640 in the firmament right above us? Exact the firmament. And that's what I 361 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:27.519 try to people. I say, when you look up in the sky and 362 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:33.519 you see the blue sky, that's water. Yeah. Yeah. And if 363 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.480 you look at stars, if you looked at stars the other like waving and 364 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:42.079 stuff, yea behind waters, yeah exactly. And God said, let waters 365 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.960 under the heaven be gathered together onto one place, and let the dry land 366 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.359 appear. And it was so. Yeah. Then if you go to verse 367 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.519 fourteen, let's keep going. And God said, let there be lights in 368 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:59.640 the firmament. Where are the lights in the firmament inside the firmament, right, 369 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.599 Okay, so can't Hoeven has an issue there to divide the day from 370 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:10.240 the night and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and 371 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:14.880 for years. And that's super important right there, the appointed like those times 372 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.400 are super important, George. I hope we can get more into that and 373 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.480 let them be for lights in the formative of heavens to give light upon the 374 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.640 earth. And it was so, and God made two great lights, greater 375 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.519 light to rule the day, in a lesser light to rule the night. 376 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.920 He made stars also, so what are the bigger lights? Exactly? I 377 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.799 wanted to stop there. It's a perfect time to pause. He made two 378 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:42.440 great lights. It doesn't say he made one light so powerful that at nighttime 379 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.400 it would reflect off a dusty old ball. This is proof that the moon 380 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.799 is a light, that it generates its own light. It's a luminescent light. 381 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.240 It's not the same kind of light as the sun. Correct, so 382 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.759 if it was reflecting sunlight, it wouldn't be colder in the moonlight than in 383 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.200 the moonshadows. So, um, you know about that. The experiment that 384 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.680 you can do, you can measure the temperature it's actually colder in the in 385 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.160 the moon's shadow, then outside of it as well, it's actually colder, 386 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.480 well, colder in the moonlight. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, 387 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.799 yeah, yeah yeah. And God set them in the firmament. Where did 388 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:23.119 he set the greater lights in the firmament. That's right of the heavens to 389 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.480 give light upon the earth and to rule over the day and over the night, 390 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:32.519 and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it 391 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.880 was good. Um. I think second Peter three eight is also really great 392 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.839 as well. It says, um, this is Peter, you know, 393 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.400 talking to believers, right, Yeah, this is very important to understand where 394 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.240 the timeline where we're at. Yeah, so this is after yes, she 395 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.279 was or Jesus. I'm saying Yeshiak. I don't because that's his name or 396 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.400 Yeshua. Um, it's not Jesus. I mean that was the Latin flash 397 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:07.559 Greek version of the name Yeshua. I don't say Jesus. So I'm just 398 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.839 so so people aren't confused, like who's Joshua? You know, I'm talking 399 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.720 about Jesus, says you may know him, And I'm not trying to be 400 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.079 you know, I'm not trying to get into the religious aspects of that. 401 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:19.680 And I'm not a sacred name or anything like that. I just tend to 402 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.599 say his name that way that makes sense. But Beloved, be not ignorant 403 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.599 of this one thing. This is second Peter three eight, that one day 404 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:33.640 is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one 405 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:38.519 day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some encount slackness. 406 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.480 So this is concerning the cosmos. Is you remember how we read about 407 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:48.160 the stars were for appointed times yep, inside the firmament, So concerning his 408 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:53.559 promise, some encount slackness, but long suffering to us towards not us. 409 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:57.480 We're not willing that any cymononing in the KGJV, because I have all the 410 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.880 strongest numbers in it, and it's you know, kind of hard to read. 411 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:06.519 Should should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the 412 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.119 day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the 413 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.839 in which the heavens shall pass away. Well that's a problem. The heavens 414 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.920 pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. 415 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.920 The earth also, and he works that are therein shall be burned up. 416 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.519 Okay, let's get back to where am I? Where am I looking? 417 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.039 Um? I lost my place. I thought it was a second period 418 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.720 three eight. I should just keep going. Um, come as a thief 419 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:40.440 in the night, seeing that all these words resolve. I think I lost 420 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:45.039 my place. George, I'm looking for um. You're on second Peto three 421 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.880 ten. Yeah, I know I know where I'm at. But it's not 422 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.319 the verse I was. Oh, not the verse you're looking for. Got 423 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:56.440 you. These are not the verses you're looking for. May the fourth be 424 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:01.920 with you? Speaking of uh space, Let's see if I have this verse 425 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:07.799 right here? Just a sick yeah, no problem. And again we're joined 426 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:12.160 by Josiah. We appreciate I'm joining us on this Thursday, May the fourth, 427 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.759 twenty twenty three. It's it's funny that I posted on Instagram today. 428 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.720 More people associate May the fourth with Star Wars than they do that the Kent 429 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.359 State shooting. Most people don't even aren't even aware of this day in history. 430 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.839 I found it. So do not overlook this one. This is second 431 00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.960 Peter three eight. Do not overlook this one fact below it that with one 432 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:44.400 day this thousand years thousand years is one day. My goodness, oh here 433 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:46.920 it is three to five. It's confusing as it starts the same way, 434 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.720 for they deliberately overlooked this fact that the heavens existed long ago, and the 435 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.400 earth was formed out of water and through water by the Word of God. 436 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.559 So we were created not out of a vacum in space, but out of 437 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:06.720 water, right, And that means verse six, and that by means of 438 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:12.000 these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perish. I think 439 00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.119 that's the flood. Some people don't think so. But by the same word, 440 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.799 the heavens, which is the firmament the and earth now exists, are 441 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:23.839 stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of 442 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.319 the ungodly. But do not overlook this. So this is where he tied 443 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:32.000 it into appointed times again like we were talking about before. So I just 444 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.640 thought that was interesting. Don't be ignorant of this fact, like he's literally 445 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.079 saying, don't be ignorant that we were created out of water. Right, 446 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.559 that's right in the KJV. And again that was Second Peter Chapter three, 447 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.920 verse five. The word of God. The heavens were of old and the 448 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:55.119 earth standing out of the water and in the water. And here's why the 449 00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:01.440 appointed times are incredibly important, because have you heard this is that millionaires watch 450 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:07.239 stocks, but billionaires watch stars. Have you heard that, George h Maybe? 451 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.840 Okay, So here's an interesting thing that a lot of people of faith 452 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:19.199 have lost. And there's there's a warning in Daniel eight that says the adversary 453 00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:23.199 will seek to change times and law. He will seek to change the times 454 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.079 and law. And the reason he says laws because that's law is eternal, 455 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.119 like it's set in stone in the heavens right. And the way he changes 456 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.920 times is by changing the cosmos. And I would I like asking Christians this 457 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.519 question because a lot of Christians believe in a great deception? Have you heard 458 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.280 about a great deception? And so I ask people like, okay, So 459 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:52.480 if if the earth was the way that the ancient Hebrews believed it to be, 460 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.960 and they did believe it to be that way, you can look up 461 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.800 Michael Heiser. I can I can share a link with you about Michael Heiser. 462 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.480 He's u. He has like his masters and ancient cultures, and he 463 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:10.000 has his PhD and master's degree in Ancient language and he's there's and he talks 464 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:15.159 about how there's no question that when the Hebrews, when the ancients were writing 465 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.880 these things down that I'm reading right now, they were they didn't think it 466 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:23.039 was metaphoric. They believed it was one objectively this way. That's right, 467 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.039 And if I could jump in real quick, that's I think one thing that 468 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.360 we have to remember. There's a lot of people who read the Bible, 469 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.920 and I'll ask you if you agree or disagree with me on this, that 470 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.880 will pick and choose what they take as literal and what they pick and choose 471 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.039 as well, this is just a metaphor, right, But just know that 472 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:47.920 the writers of Scripture, like Moses, he believed that the earth was this 473 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.480 way. What I like to ask people, is okay, these people like 474 00:35:52.639 --> 00:36:00.599 Moses, who's directly speaking with God himself, is he wrong or are we 475 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:06.280 wrong? Like? Is he confused about how things are? Or are we 476 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.239 confused about how things are? It's like it's one or the other, or 477 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.679 maybe we're both confused or we can't both be right, you know. And 478 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.000 it's like I like to compare people, like I like to makes people like 479 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.719 I can't make people do anything, but I like to ask them like and 480 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.880 urge them to answer, are they wrong, the writers of truth? Are 481 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.519 they wrong? Or are we wrong? And that that question is really what 482 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:36.559 brought me into this truth If that makes sense, Absolutely it does. And 483 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:42.360 and again it's interesting, and again understand you're not we all understand who's listening 484 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.159 to this podcast. I would say that ninety nine percent of us all agree 485 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:52.199 that the globe is a lie, and we all are trying to figure out 486 00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.920 what it actually is. We're humans and we're curious by nature. At the 487 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.679 same time, I always tell people for us to expect to know exactly how 488 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.320 everything exactly works. I don't think that everything was meant to be that way. 489 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.880 But we're curious and we try to learn. That's our nature. But 490 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:14.360 it's interesting when you say that. If you google or you know, Wikipedia, 491 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.480 flat Earth, the very very first thing that comes up, there's a 492 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:24.079 whole paragraph how it's a disproven cosmological model. And you know, the longer 493 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.760 I've been in the truth community, the more that you learn. Then when 494 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.079 you when when something is fat checked, it's more that's my stamp of approval. 495 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.480 When I see something as fact checked, not all the time, but 496 00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.719 more times than not. Definitely and hum and that's because of man's deception. 497 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.800 That's what I wanted to close with that go ahead, perfect perfect bridge right 498 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.840 there, because I was going back to the deception. And the question I 499 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.119 like to ask people is, Okay, if the cosmos are actually like if 500 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.360 it's actually the way that the answering Hebrews would describe it, with a firmament 501 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:02.559 above a flat plane with sheol beneath and heaven above. If it's actually that 502 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:08.280 way, not only would the satan lie about that, Not only would the 503 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:14.840 adversary lie about that, he has to He has to lie about that. 504 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.880 Why because the heavens declare the glory of God. The heavens, like the 505 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.840 Bible says that you should be able to look at the creation and know there's 506 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.400 a God. And the thing that we're unable to do because of scientism is 507 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.320 look at the creation and know there's a God. Because they're looking, they're 508 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.360 showing us a creation that proves God does not exist, you know, according 509 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:45.199 to their understanding of the cosmos. If that makes sense, absolutely, And 510 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.559 can I divert for a second, ask you a question. Because we've done 511 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.400 so many podcasts and talk to so many people, we know, this deception 512 00:38:52.480 --> 00:39:00.119 really started to go to get off the ground in the sixteenth century after the 513 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.880 Reformation, but it really went to a high level after the end of World 514 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.039 War Two. We know about high jump, dominic fish Bowl, and then 515 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:17.159 the mid fifty Werner von Brown started his propaganda. So let me ask you 516 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.000 a question in this if it's a but, I just want to put it 517 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.519 out there because you're you're a very knowledge person. Obviously, do you think 518 00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.800 it was just man upon you know, the puppeteer here on earth, whether 519 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:39.039 it's the Rothchilds or whoever, who felt the urgency to push NASA and the 520 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:44.400 globe. And I'm doing a video, and when you see all the propaganda 521 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.480 in the fifties with the globe in some of these TV shows, like literally 522 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:54.280 every thirty seconds, it's obviously there was an intentional propaganda, a huge deception 523 00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.639 to push this agenda. Excuse me between fifty five and then of course into 524 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.719 sixteen, you know, July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, who do you 525 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.960 think do you think Satan gave this message to man? Or how did all 526 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:15.039 this come about for somebody to say we need to keep this knowledge from you 527 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:20.400 know, the regular people how do you think all that one about? So 528 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.639 like Copernicus. I mean, if you look at like pictures of Copernicus, 529 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.000 it's obvious that he was a worshipper. He was a son worshiper, and 530 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:38.280 so all the occult is firmly founded in this sun sun centric heliocentric cosmology because 531 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.960 they worshiped the sun. Going back to Copernicus, there was a lot of 532 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:47.000 people who, including Martin Luther, who were like, don't believe these liars, 533 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.239 these worshippers of the devil, right, because they're teaching something that the 534 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.239 Bible does not teach. And it is foolish. It is deception. It 535 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.280 is you know. So if you go back to you know, the Enlightenment 536 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:07.960 so called with you know, the science revolution, scientism is it is a 537 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.400 religion. And I believe science scientism to be I'm not talking about science in 538 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.559 general, like it's good to question, like that's what science is supposed to 539 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.519 encourage, is questioning. But I would say scientism is firmly grounded in son 540 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:28.519 worship and occultic practices. So I do think it's a major part of the 541 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.199 deception, and I do think that there are entities behind it, not just 542 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.760 people, because you know, I tend to believe take the word of God 543 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.119 for what it says, and that's what the word of God says. So 544 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:44.199 in Genesis six, you have, you know, the sons of God coming 545 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.039 down. A lot of people I think, take, you know, the 546 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:52.280 Nephilium out of context a little bit, but I think that generally it's true 547 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.880 that in Genesis six, the sons of God came down and they made they 548 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.000 had children, you know, with the daughters of men, and the Nephelim 549 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:05.400 were so big that God sent us the flood. That's why he sent us 550 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.760 the flood to destroy, because all flesh had been corrupted in those days. 551 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.199 That's what Genesis six says. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the 552 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:19.599 Lord because he was perfect in his generations. What does that mean, Well, 553 00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.239 he wasn't corrupted by the Nephelim, right, or the sons of God. 554 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:29.239 And um, I think it's an Enoch that says that that Noah married 555 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:34.280 Enoch's granddaughter, so her bloodline was also pure, and he married and then 556 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.760 so his sons were obviously pure as well. But then a lot of people 557 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:46.440 think that the sons of Noah, their wives maybe carried some genetic markers over. 558 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:54.480 But I do I think that righteousness so man, the sin marker, 559 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.719 I don't really want to get into it, but I think it comes into 560 00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.639 those who live righteously. The sin marker was filtered out of them, like 561 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:10.239 it was a redemptive process, a sanctification process through generations, and Shem was 562 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.760 received the inheritance, and that's where like Abraham came through that lineage. And 563 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.280 actually Abraham was alive at the same time as Noah in his teens. That's 564 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:28.079 when Noah died, and so Noah was getting understanding from his ten generations down 565 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:31.960 the line grandfather, right. And so a lot of people think that Abraham 566 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:39.119 came from a poly theistic background, but that's not necessarily true. Like obviously 567 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:46.159 poly theism was influencing the world around Abraham, but he actually knew the God 568 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.280 of Noah obviously, you know, because he came through the good lineage of 569 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.360 m right. So, but I do think that there are real entities, 570 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:59.880 Like if you go to Washington, DC, and there's a Washington Monument with 571 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.400 six thousand and six hundred and sixty six inches tall, as far as I 572 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.599 understand, like six hundred and sixty six. Yeah, it's fifty five feet 573 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.039 in like six inches or whatever, and it comes out to exactly that that 574 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.599 many inches. It's it's definitely the six sixty six. Yeah. And then 575 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.920 you and then you enter like the District of Columbia, right, Who is 576 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:23.000 Columbia. It's literally it's a temple to Columbia, who is the queen of 577 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:30.239 Heaven, right, that the Bible warns us against multiple times throughout the the 578 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:32.679 tnock. So you have the District of Columbia. You go in there, 579 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.000 and it's not us history you're seeing. It's like a round room, which 580 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.159 is the womb of isis right? So, and then you have like all 581 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.880 these Greek mythology on the walls and whatnot, and it's literally a temple to 582 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:52.000 Columbia there, and the Statue of Liberty is literally Helios, the god Helios, 583 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.719 which goes back to Apollos, who is the god of light and the 584 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:59.079 god of prophecy that the Bible warns against. Who is the Antichrist? Well, 585 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:04.400 it's Apollon, so like connected, and I think these entities are still 586 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:10.480 out there and the world is evil because of that. So boy, that's 587 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:15.440 a lot, right answer. Yeah, I think you covered it. That's 588 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.320 awesome. Um, And I could talk about the DC all day long. 589 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.960 If you look at the aerial shot of Washington, DC, it's an owl. 590 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.559 It's a very obvious owl. And then you can find the owl hidden 591 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.039 on your dollar bill. It's just I mean that the symbol is the symbolism 592 00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.679 on the dollar bill. My goodness. You can spend all day talking about 593 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.519 the dollar bill, and of course that is what keeps us enslaved. Yeah, 594 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.960 it's the currency. What's the guy Jordan what's his name? He talks 595 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.519 about Jordan Maxwell, Yeah, law the water law. Yeah, that's the 596 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.639 most amazing fourteen minute speech. And how he breaks down words, how how 597 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.920 a sword right, a sword has the word in it because words cut like 598 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.239 a you know what I mean. Just he does a great job of that 599 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.920 speech. Oh man, if we were getting into language as well. Like 600 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.920 I said, the whole English language is designed, I think, in order 601 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.960 to deceive us, in order to make us not be able to understand things, 602 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.079 because there's no words to comprehend the things that we ought to be understanding. 603 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:21.679 And one of those things is the ancient Hebrew masera, which is the 604 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.960 skies above us, which are the appointed at times. So I talked a 605 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:30.719 little bit about Abraham, right, and in Abraham's day, Man, what's 606 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.159 the verse? I think it's anyway, So God tells Abraham, go out 607 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.440 and count the stars. If you are able, so shall your descendants be? 608 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.760 So who are the descendants of Abraham? Well, it was obviously like 609 00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:49.039 Isaac and to Jacob, and the sons of Jacob were the promised descendants of 610 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.960 Abraham, which were the twelve sons, the twelve tribes of Israel. If 611 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.840 you look up that, how many astral signs are there? When people say, 612 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.679 what's your sign? I forget what they call it, but it's really 613 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:06.480 the ancient Hebrew Manserold and those twelve signs are the twelve sons of Israel. 614 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:09.840 Right, And so you can like God was literally like, look at the 615 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:15.079 stars. It's written up there, the twelve your twelve sons. Do you 616 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:20.119 see them throughout the year? That circle around the earth? Those are your 617 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:24.920 descendants. Your descendants shall be like those. And man, I think this 618 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:30.480 is something that a lot of people miss, is h Yeah, that God's 619 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:36.920 promise And when we read in Second Peter three five and three eight that it's 620 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.760 for an appointed time. And if we go back to Genesis six. Right, 621 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.000 God literally says, my spirit shall not strive with man forever. He 622 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.519 says that, so man's years shall be one hundred and twenty years. But 623 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.960 that word years, right there is not years like we're only going to live 624 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.079 one hundred and twenty years. Like I might live one hundred and twenty, 625 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.480 but I can't live to be one hundred and twenty one, right, that's 626 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.719 not what it's saying. So we're told how to count in the Bible. 627 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.559 It's so we're supposed to count by seven times seven years, which is forty 628 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:13.559 nine's so shabuas and this if you you there's a marker in First Kings that 629 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:19.800 tells us when where the timeline lines up in Hezekiah's day when Snakreb is attacking 630 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:24.119 Jerusalem, so that lines that gives us one marker that lines up with one 631 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:29.559 hundred and twenty from Noah's from really from Abraham or it's not Abraham, sorry, 632 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.039 from Adam. And then he's told in Genesis six, Noah is my 633 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.519 spirit, well mount drives man forever. It will be one hundred and twenty 634 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.599 schabuas, which is one hundred and ninety years, which lines up with Daniels 635 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.679 seventy seventy weeks prophecy. Uh not that word, there's seventy Schabua is seventy 636 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.480 forty nine. So man's years shall be five thousand, eight hundred and eighty. 637 00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.679 And you know when that ends, George, that's twenty forty four, 638 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.559 twenty forty five. That's the end of the one hundred and twenty years, 639 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:05.159 as far as I'm understanding it. And so twenty twenty was the middle of 640 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:09.960 the week. So in Daniel eight or Daniel ten is the seventy weeks of 641 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:17.360 Daniel, and the week at halfway through the week it says that that he 642 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.800 will cut off sacrifices and that there will be desolations to create and things like 643 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.519 that. And so we're in twenty twenty three right now, which is the 644 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:30.920 true schmidt a year. The Jews celebrated it last year, which is the 645 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.639 year of land Rest, but it's actually this year. And so the prophecy 646 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.320 of Daniel eight is actually taking place where we have forgotten the appointed times. 647 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:43.039 We've forgotten the times I used to think it meant like Christmas and Eastern stuff. 648 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.119 Those are just different ones. I mean, that's the worship of Ishtar, 649 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.039 and absolutely, yeah, it's pegan It's been peganized all of the holidays 650 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.920 for sure, but we have also lost the actual appointed times. And if 651 00:49:54.920 --> 00:50:00.360 we're going by the actual harvest calendar and moon calendar, we're actually this year 652 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:06.800 twenty twenty three is the schmitt A year, the first schmitt A year after 653 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:12.320 the middle of the Week of Daniel and so, and it gives you specific 654 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:19.519 amount of days and so according to scripture, September is going to be a 655 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.960 big month, I think. And I don't know this for sure, obviously 656 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.800 I'm not like, I'm not a prophet. I don't of course. Yeah, 657 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.920 yeah, so September. A lot of some of the people that I've 658 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.519 been talking to believe that September is when the abomination of desolation is going to 659 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.559 take place. Well, I mean, if you look through history, April 660 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:44.480 and September seemed to be the two big months where these type of horrible events. 661 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:50.239 April of course is laden with Satanic especially April nineteenth, which is the 662 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.159 Feast of Moloch, and that was a twelve or thirteen day runs to May 663 00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:58.119 first May Day, the Communist holiday, which the day the Illuminati was founded 664 00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:04.239 as well. Let me ask you this. So you said, Um, 665 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:12.320 twenty twenty was the midweek. Yeah, so what was the correlation to COVID? 666 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:16.880 Was this intentional shut down the world? Yeah? Intentional mocking of that 667 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.559 word. Um. It wasn't like I said, billionaires watched the stars, 668 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:30.239 right, they these things are appointed and they know. I think, Um, 669 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:32.760 like he said, I think you say it only takes like seven thousand 670 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:37.679 people to world or something like that. I think there's even less than that 671 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.119 that watched the stars that understand the manzo. I don't understand it. It's 672 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:46.119 been lost, it's been and I think Daniel Daniel understood it. He was 673 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:53.400 a magi in Babylon and he understood what the stars were saying, and he 674 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.480 understood the timeline. He didn't understand it all because you know, he was 675 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:01.920 seeing the world today the way it is, and he's like, I don't 676 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.719 know what the frick. You know, we understand it because we are here 677 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.519 and it says these things are sealed up until the time of the end. 678 00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.599 So right now is the time of the end of the age, not the 679 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.599 end of the world. It's really the beginning of the New Earth. But 680 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:22.599 it's um. Yeah, But if we want to go by the timeline. 681 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:27.280 Check this like, the second largest bank failure in US history happened over the 682 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:34.480 weekend, right, do you know what was on Sunday? Sunday was right? 683 00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.760 It was the appoint It was the end of the appointed time spring appointed 684 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.159 times, so umhab most people are going to celebrate it next month, but 685 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:47.079 it was actually this month because we're going by the harvest um We started counting 686 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:55.440 after the um um barley harvest sprung up in Israel, and there's people who 687 00:52:55.639 --> 00:53:00.840 track the harvests and according to the new moon cycles and whatnot. But yeah, 688 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.519 Shahuo was on Sunday, and then that night four am the bank failures 689 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:13.159 happened, and also the lockdowns were decreed by the FDA or h who on 690 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:17.199 passover of twenty twenty. You know, so the appointed times are still appointed 691 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.000 and they're still happening today. And it's it's up there above our heads, 692 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.079 That's what I'm saying. Do you think they we're allowed to get allowed? 693 00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:30.000 That's not the right word to use, but it's becoming obvious that they are 694 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:37.000 able to get away with all of these deceptions because so many of us have 695 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.800 gotten away from the word of God. Would you agree. Yeah, And 696 00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.880 this is a I mean, this is what Daniel's warning about, Like he's 697 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.159 gonna change the appointed times and the law like that's what he says. And 698 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:59.760 so the who is Apollyon like labeled as he's called the lawless one, the 699 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:04.559 one on who strays from the order, right, he's straying from the order 700 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:08.960 that God has put in place. That's literally what he does. The deceiver 701 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.840 does. And and God, yah Yahweh is not a deceiver, right, 702 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.199 So he didn't create a cosmology that we look at and be like, oh, 703 00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.199 well, the universe might be must be thirteen point eight billion years old. 704 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.400 Well, God is not a deceiver. Like, he doesn't make it 705 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.440 look old. We're being lied to about what it looks like. You know, 706 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:35.079 that's right. And so many people, and I think even to a 707 00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:42.519 certain extent, some um some preachers, pastors, etc. And including myself, 708 00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.960 I guess up to it to a certain point in tom in my life 709 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:52.280 believe that heaven was this imaginary place where your soul went to and didn't realize 710 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.000 that heaven was literally right above us. Yeah, it's literally there. And 711 00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:05.239 I'm it really feels like you know this, we're definitely like a physical reality. 712 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.000 Uh, the way I can like touch the table and I have blood 713 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:12.679 and flesh and things, right that. But I wouldn't be so quick to 714 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:16.920 say that, like heaven is not spiritual as well, but it's actually there, 715 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.599 you know, it's it's there, It's it's literally there. But it 716 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.239 could also be a spiritual under like there could be a greater reality. Does 717 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.199 that makes sense? Yeah? I think that talks about that. Yeah. 718 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.280 I think what I was trying to say was, like some people think it's 719 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:36.159 like they use the word dimension another dimension, right, yeah. Dimension? 720 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.039 I hate that word. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. Um, let's 721 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.039 take a few minutes. I want to throw throw things at you. What 722 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:52.159 are your thoughts on Antarctica. Oh, Antarctica circles the known Earth, you 723 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:55.760 know, at that's the circle of the Earth, right, So the firmament 724 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:04.719 is on the face of deep I believe, and then Antarctica is the edge 725 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.199 of it. And obviously like we can't go there. Um, we can 726 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:14.559 go to like two places I think two islands, Deception Island and what's the 727 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.440 other, roth Child's Island. Yeah, and I know people who have like 728 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:24.079 climbed mountains in Antarctica and stuff, but it's still like very guided. Oh 729 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:29.159 yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, so, and I've people run 730 00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:35.519 marathons there and stuff, but yeah, I don't. I don't know. 731 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.039 I really don't know. I mean I haven't never been there, right, 732 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:43.559 so I don't know. What do you think? Well, it's they're certainly 733 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:49.159 not standing upside down. I know that for a fact. Yeah. Yeah, 734 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:52.800 we're definitely right side up, all of us. And yeah, I 735 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.119 had had a friend on it my other podcast, she's from Australia, and 736 00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.039 every time we came on Zoom, I was like, you're not getting dizzy 737 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:04.480 from all that blood rushing your head? Are you? And I think of 738 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:09.400 he assigned okay, Proverbs eight twenty nine says he assigned to the sea its 739 00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:15.119 limit so that the waters might not transgress his command. When he marked out 740 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:22.000 the foundations of the earth, So that says the seas have a limit. 741 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.719 I would assume that limit to be you know, Antarctica personally. That's a 742 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.559 great verse Proverbs eight, verse twenty nine. When he gave the sea its 743 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:37.400 boundary so the waters would not overstep his command. And you know, I 744 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.400 don't mean to venture off. I know people are gonna like, oh no, 745 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:45.639 there goes George again into conspiracy world. But you know in the Book 746 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.719 of Revelation it talks about how the ends play out, right, Yeah, 747 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.719 but at the same time, we're led to believe and this goes hand in 748 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.960 hand with like Operation Dominic and stuff. So I'm not completely off base. 749 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.960 But forgive me for this question, if for catching you off guard, but 750 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:05.719 you know, we're told to believe that there's these things as nuclear missiles and 751 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:08.440 they can destroy the world ten times over. And to me, when I 752 00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:12.000 really sat back and thought about it, I heard it for the first time 753 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.719 three or four years ago, and when I thought about it, I was 754 00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.280 like, again, this is another one of those things that I spoke about 755 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.280 earlier, where you know, Satan has a counterfeit for everything that's saying that 756 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.800 man can decide when the world war ended, not God, What are your 757 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:32.159 thoughts on that. I'll say, if if these bombs exist, and I 758 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:37.119 know that there are big expressures, sure right, I've seen him, trust 759 00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:42.480 me, I would say that we're not allowed to use them. The only 760 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:46.320 one allowed to destroy the earth by fire is Yahweh himself, right or Jesua 761 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.519 So's he's the judge and he will judge and man is not Man is not 762 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.800 allowed to destroy the earth that way and precisely, and this has been we 763 00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:02.039 talk about all the tools these evil people have at their disposal. I remember 764 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:07.440 all the old videos from the fifties of children. I used to laugh. 765 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.559 They used to show the videos of the children getting under their desks in case 766 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.880 of a nuclear blast. In the army, we're taught to lay down on 767 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.440 the ground, facing toward the blast with our kevlar helmet down and covering our 768 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.159 eyes and ears. And I'm like, if this monstrous of a weapon exists, 769 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.079 is that really going to help? And again, there's a such thing 770 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.639 as radiation poisoning. There are very large bombs. But again, once again, 771 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.559 I think this is another one of these deceptions to keep people in a 772 00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.400 constant state of fear. To depend on man, right, to depend on 773 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:43.039 the government. I got to pay my taxes otherwise, how are we not 774 00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:46.039 going to be able to protect ourselves from these Russian missiles? Right? And 775 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:51.920 the same thing with heliocentrism. Once a month you can look on the news, 776 00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.039 just go to Google and yeah, use Google for this and just put 777 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.159 in meteor or something and you'll see stories over the last year or how a 778 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.599 meteor pas within ten thousand meters blah blah blah. Right, it's just it's 779 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:09.000 to lie to us and to depend on the government, which we know who 780 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:20.119 they serve. Yeah, I think it's possible that we may face Yeah, 781 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.320 I don't know if you know, nukes as we're told, nukes exist, 782 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:29.440 exist, and I do know there's been some major nuclear testing in you know, 783 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:34.960 the fifties and sixties, right, But I don't know. I don't 784 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.159 know if if they will actually get used. A lot of people think that 785 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:45.519 the abomination that will make desolate, that's talking about nuclear weapons. I think 786 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.559 it's possible, but then like, yeah, I'll put a stop to it, 787 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:50.880 and that's why he comes down or something. But I think it. 788 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:58.000 I think the bigger threat personally is I think the bigger threat is genetic changes. 789 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:06.039 So because if so, well, that which will make desolate the um, 790 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:12.440 the person inside the person um. So we're created in whose image, 791 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.760 we're created in them of God? Right, so if we stray from that, 792 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.199 we stray from the image of God. And I think that's what the 793 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.280 you know, the Mark of the Beast is talking about. I think that 794 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:30.920 it's possible that when this abomination takes place that Um, people will change genetic 795 01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:37.000 markers and they will become in the image of the beast to um to fulfill 796 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:43.280 their carnal desires. That's literally the what it means to be beast like. 797 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:50.960 You look at the King of Oh Gosh, who was the king of Babylon 798 01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:55.320 in Daniel's day. Um, by anyways, he became beast like, and 799 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.800 just the ideas, you'll fulfill all the desires of the flesh and and you 800 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.880 stop being in the image of God, you know, which is to subdue 801 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.360 those carnal desires and live according to the spirit, which is the instruction that's 802 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:16.239 given to us from the beginning in the stars. That's a great point. 803 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.199 That was an agud nezar, right yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. 804 01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.320 You know, that's a great point. Obviously when you talk about genetics. 805 01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:29.199 That was a reason that God flooded the earth the first time, right, 806 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.599 because they were mixing with the nephelum right yeah, yeah, I'm mixing. 807 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:36.960 God hates mixing. Yes, let me ask you this, Um, 808 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:42.679 and again restrain a little bit, apologize, But do you think, um, 809 01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.519 you know, these recent shots have anything to do with altering DNA or 810 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.360 do you think this was more of conditioning for down the road when the real 811 01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.880 one comes. In Ano, there were some studies that said it changed DNA. 812 01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:58.840 I don't know if it changed it in a significant manner, but I 813 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:04.440 think it's a precre I think it was. It was really just to shut 814 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.360 down the world. That was the whole thing. It's kind of like nine 815 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:10.360 to eleven. They wanted to moderate airline travel and stuff like that. So 816 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:19.000 I think that this um the jabby jab was a It's like a precursor, 817 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:23.280 and it was what's it called, um? I always call it condition a 818 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.719 conditioning. Yeah, yeah, I think it might be necessary for what's to 819 01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.239 come. Who knows, I don't know. You might have we might have 820 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:35.760 had to. They might have had to do that in order to allow your 821 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.559 body to accept what's to come later as well. I don't know, no 822 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.800 clue, dude. Yeah, all of this is, you know, conjecture 823 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.199 and hypervole as they say. Right, we're just having a conversation and tossing 824 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.880 thoughts around. But I really admire your knowledge of the Bible, and more 825 01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.840 people, including myself, should to strive harder to read the book. I 826 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:02.880 wish this old brain would remember things better than it does. UM. But 827 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:09.199 again it's very important, and I'm guilty included as to when I do research 828 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:14.119 for these things, I honestly should include the Bible more, not just you 829 01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.360 know, uh, the various websites and papers that I used to research. 830 01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:23.559 Because you've made many points, UM, including one I have and I've read 831 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.880 a lot, but Proverbs eight twenty nine I don't recall reading. And that's 832 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:33.199 pretty powerful. And Um provides biblical evidence that could be conceived as being UM 833 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:40.039 talking about Antarctica. That's that's great point. Well, Bible talks about the 834 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.159 ends of the earth a lot. Yeah, yes, absolutely, And the 835 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.440 credibility to Enoch UM, but I don't know, you know, there's not 836 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.000 a lot of documents like, uh, there's not a lot of texts to 837 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:57.159 back up Enoch. Um. There's some it was really preserved by the Ethiopians. 838 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.159 But Um, it is the most quoted book in scripture. You know, 839 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:04.000 even Issue himself quotes Enoch, so it has some credibility. I think 840 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.360 everybody should read it, um with a bit of skepticism. But Enoch does 841 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.800 talk about the end of the ends of the earth being a cold place and 842 01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.079 with chasms and things like that, so it's really interesting as well. UM. 843 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:23.920 Other problems that I think that Christians and anyone else who believes in scripture 844 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:29.960 of the Bible um conveniently tend to ignore is that God rolls up the stars 845 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:34.159 like a scroll, you know, Um, yet the earth remains right um. 846 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.239 It also talks about stars falling from Heaven to Earth. You know, 847 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:44.159 the Antichrist is the worst of the least of your worries if the Adromedius galaxy 848 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:48.440 is coming towards the Earth right um. And And here's here's an interesting one. 849 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:54.840 In Joshua ten twelve, God stopped the sun and the moon during Joshua's 850 01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:59.440 battle with the Amorites. And it says at that time Joshua spoke to the 851 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.440 Lord in the day when the Lord gave the amorrights over to the sons of 852 01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.760 Israel, and he said to the set in the side of Israel, sun 853 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:10.559 stands still at Gibbeon, and moon in the valley of Ajalon. And the 854 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.239 sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. 855 01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.360 Is this not written in the Book of Jasher The sun stopped in the 856 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:21.360 midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about the whole day. 857 01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.960 So can you imagine according to the heliocentric model, like everything would have to 858 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:33.320 stop, stopping everything, you know, people would have been flying off into 859 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:40.880 outer space. You know, they would have been backwards meteorites. That's insane. 860 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.679 Or is it just possible that he stopped the sun in the moon like 861 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:50.960 it says it's a major issue that's conveniently ignored. Yeah, I don't know. 862 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.559 There's a lot of things in the Bible that are just conveniently ignored like 863 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.039 that it is, and the power of this deception, Like, I mean, 864 01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:03.559 I'm best friends. It's been forty years this September since I've known this 865 01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:08.679 guy. We met in nineteen eighty three in high school and we've known each 866 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.960 other ever since, even when I was in the army. We had letters. 867 01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.400 I mean, and he's a very religious guy. But when he tried 868 01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:23.159 to relay these thoughts to him, even with biblical passages, they still won't 869 01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:29.599 accept it. And I'm not saying that, I'm trying to make sure I 870 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:36.400 say this right, because right, this is something that we talk about a 871 01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:41.599 lot us at homeschool. So the curriculum, to me, is very important 872 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:45.639 and I wish there was a way. This comes up every podcast, and 873 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.199 I guess now would be the time to segue for it. I don't mean 874 01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:51.199 to pass the buck, but how do we do a better job? And 875 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.679 obviously getting people to take scripture for exactly what it is is the proper way 876 01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:00.559 to go. But I know all of us go through this when we realize 877 01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.000 heliocentrism is a lie. We all have different versions of the air quote flat 878 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:09.079 Earth, biblical Earth, etc. But how can we at least get people 879 01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:15.239 to acknowledge the lies of Satan's heliocentric model. I mean, you're doing it, 880 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:19.279 George. I mean this is the best way to do it is conversations 881 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:28.079 and talking to other people around across the earth, I'll say, and encouraging 882 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.680 people who listen to this podcast to do the same. And my wife and 883 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:38.680 I are planning to homeschool our daughter fantastic season, you know, and as 884 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:41.520 we do that, I mean we're already teaching her like you know, school 885 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:44.760 teaches this. You know this movie is showing you this, but here's what 886 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:47.079 the Bible says, etc. That's why, I mean, that's a big 887 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:55.600 reason why I dove into scripture so much. About the cosmos and the way 888 01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:59.439 the Bible describes the creation to be is because I want I don't want to 889 01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.840 be teaching or something that I can't find in scripture. You know, That's 890 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.199 kind of my crux right there, Like it needs to be there otherwise, 891 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:12.039 like I feel weird telling her, like, you know, the earth is 892 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:16.520 flat, but I have no basis for saying that unless I can prove it 893 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.039 in the Word of Truth, in the Word of God. Right, So 894 01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:28.319 yeah, I think it's important to have a curriculum for kids because I was 895 01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:32.680 totally deceived about it. Sure, I was totally believed in space and stuff. 896 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:39.720 And I don't know, man, I think that we're talking about mixtures 897 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:45.840 and how God doesn't like mixtures, right, And I think that there's a 898 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:53.680 problem when when Christians believe in and I'm not talking about people, but Christianity 899 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:58.479 in general, whatever that is, whether it's Catholics or even just I don't 900 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.359 know what a Christian really is. But if we if we live in an 901 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:09.000 infinite universe yet believe we live on a young Earth, those two things don't 902 01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:15.239 jive. No, And neither does denying evolution yet accepting heliocentrism. Those two 903 01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:19.960 cannot mix, like unless you think God was attempting to confuse us by making 904 01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:24.560 things look one way, but they're actually not that way, like our God, 905 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:28.199 Like I said, our God is not a god of deception, but 906 01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:33.479 Nasa is. It literally means deception. In Hebrew Nasha, Nasa means deception 907 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:39.439 or destruction. And you can find so many times when Nasa has deceived us. 908 01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:43.479 So why do we trust them? Makes no sense to me. You're 909 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.119 you're, we're we gotta have some synchronicity night, because I was looking at 910 01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.039 your email and that was literally the next thing I was going to go into. 911 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:54.760 You wrote. In Hebrew Nasa or Nasha literally means deception. They can't 912 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.600 be more obvious, and you look, which you can. Actually it can 913 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:04.800 be more deceptive because if you look at NASA's logo, it's literally a serpent's 914 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:10.079 tongue and some people even say that that, you know, that little circle 915 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.479 thing going around the a in the suh is the snake tasting it, chasing 916 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:18.920 its tail um. Yeah, and they called their rockets Apollo. You know 917 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:26.479 who is the Antichrist? Who is the deceiver? Apollyon Apollo? Like literally 918 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:31.279 their names give them away. It's it's it's that straightforward. It's like if 919 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.000 I called myself liar, Hey, trust me, my name is liar. 920 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:42.079 It's crazy. I don't understand it yet. We put all of our trust 921 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.479 in NASA and ignore the word of God. You know, I may have 922 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:50.760 to to um give up my podcast because I'm I put NASA into my computer 923 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:55.680 and it turns out there's a new study that uranus is large, moons may 924 01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:02.159 hold water. So there you go. We were wrong. Oh man, 925 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:05.800 the anus holds water? Huh? How do they come up with these things? 926 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:10.239 Are they fed it? And people? Just I mean and again people 927 01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.640 again. I was in a very large organization as well, compartmentalization and the 928 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:18.199 steady people always gets transferred in these large organizations. But I mean, who 929 01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:23.520 feeds them this stuff? My goodness? Yeah, And like I said, 930 01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:28.520 like them. The whole Bible is written through the lens of creation. And 931 01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:31.079 if you can take out the foundation of the Bible, then you can. 932 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.920 This is why. This is why people who believe in science or people who 933 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:42.119 are non religious, right, this is why they think Christians are big dumbheads 934 01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:46.239 because they're like, hey, like you think that this and this jive, 935 01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:50.520 but they don't you think the Earth is six thousand years old, you're so 936 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.680 dumb, you know, things like that. It's like I would kind of 937 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.600 I'm not trying to Disneyboddy because I used to believe the same thing, but 938 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.000 it's like that is kind of dumb, you know, it's kind of dumb 939 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.000 to think that the Earth is six thousand years old, yet believe we live 940 01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:10.479 in a vast universe that's ever expanding, and conveniently we don't see new stars 941 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.680 because they're traveling at the speed of light away from us, and so on 942 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.600 and so on. Then the amount of excuses, man, Like I said, 943 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.119 the entire Bible is written through the lens of creation and the logos, 944 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:25.640 like the word that was in the beginning, the et, the Aleph, 945 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.600 and the top that's literally a marker that's in Genesis one. There's two markers 946 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.439 that don't translate into any other language. There's an et in there. It's 947 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:35.800 like, what's that doing there? I don't know. Well. In Revelation, 948 01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:41.520 when Yeshia is giving revelation to John at the Island of Patmos, he 949 01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.960 says, I'm the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. 950 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.800 No, it's interesting about that, Like he's not speaking to John in Greek 951 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.920 Greek, is he's just John is just writing it down in Greek. So 952 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.960 what Yeshua is actually saying is I remember that et that's in Genesis one. 953 01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:01.560 In Hebrew, I am that, I am the Aleph and the Tov. 954 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.560 I am the beginning in the end, and the cool thing. He's like, 955 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:08.680 I'm at the beginning. And then he was crucified on a tov, 956 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.520 on an ancient tov, and he says it is finished. So he's literally 957 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:16.359 the bookmarkers on the plan of redemption in the scriptures. And it was all 958 01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:20.720 written from the beginning in the creation, and the way that the odiot, 959 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:25.800 the language of the Hebrews worked back then, it was all founded. It 960 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.159 was all founded in the creation. So like you'll have like a seed, 961 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.279 and it looks like a seed, and that was a word or a letter. 962 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:35.600 There was the alph right, which was the head of it looks like 963 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.399 an ox head, and the Aleph is the strong, the head of the 964 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.479 house, the things like that, and so like all the English, all 965 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.840 the Hebrew language was founded in creation. So it could not change, it 966 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:53.640 could not be tweaked. It couldn't it couldn't be deceptive because everything about it 967 01:14:54.000 --> 01:15:00.319 was grounded in what is reality? And now we have words like that we 968 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:06.439 just make up, like what was the word we use dimensions and stuff like 969 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:12.239 that. It's like, oh, because we live in a using this language 970 01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:16.119 that is not grounded in reality, right, We're able to make stuff up, 971 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.560 stuff that doesn't exist, so we can be deceived and then we ignore 972 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:26.000 the things that do exist. And oh man, it drives me crazy. 973 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.159 And it's interesting when you actually break down the word dimension, it says it's 974 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:35.479 a measurable extent. It's got to be measurable, and these type of things. 975 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.600 And again, I'd love to go back and listen to Jordan Maxwell again 976 01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:43.880 the whole thing, how words are broken down and how they can be misused 977 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:46.680 as well, how they're hijacked, Like many of the things have been hijacked 978 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:58.720 from us totally. It's man, what do you think are the Actually I 979 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:01.000 want to mention this as well, because I mean that we're talking about the 980 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:05.479 creation, and we're talked about how Abraham and there's there's so many other things 981 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:10.920 that are correlated with that, and like the New Jerusalem has like twelve gems 982 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:14.600 or gates. These are the signs in the heavens, right, there's twelve 983 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:17.199 pines in Jerusalem. There's there's things like that where it's like, okay, 984 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:23.000 so does it. I do think that there's twelve months. I think that 985 01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:29.159 that thirteen months thing is it's convenient to like twenty eight day cycle mid cycles 986 01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:31.840 and whatnot, but the twelve is a very important number of the Bible. 987 01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:38.399 Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, and then uh yeah, I don't know. 988 01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:44.800 What do you have any other thoughts on you know, how creation correlates 989 01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:47.359 with language. I mean, that's a huge topic, I think, but 990 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:51.760 I don't I don't know if it would just benefit the conversation or not. 991 01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:57.239 I don't know. I mean, if you'd like to spand on it, 992 01:16:57.279 --> 01:17:00.680 please, by all means no good, I'm good to move on. Okay, 993 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:06.840 But h yeah, I think that what do you think is the best? 994 01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:10.359 I mean, I hear you ask people this, but what do you 995 01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.119 think are the best flat earth proofs? Well? I mean, and again 996 01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.279 we get I don't want to use the word confused, but there's disproving the 997 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:25.319 curve, and then there's proving flat earth. Now, disproving the curve has 998 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.920 been done time and time again. We can see too far that is the 999 01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:31.560 biggest one. The other one for me, obviously, is water. That 1000 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:35.399 the fact that you think, or even I used to think too, right, 1001 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.760 I'm not. I don't like to be the holier than now. But 1002 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.439 the fact that many of us still today think that water can stick to a 1003 01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:48.119 ball is just really ludicrous. But gravity, Yeah, but gravity, um, 1004 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:54.880 and I point out immeasurable thing we can't measure at all. Yeah, 1005 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:58.239 Isaac Newton saw an apple fell Duh, how could you not know there's gravity? 1006 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:02.479 How else could it would have fallen? Right? It is absolutely many 1007 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:05.239 of them are like that though. It's just ridiculous. But you know, 1008 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:10.760 really, the reason that so many people are afraid to get out of their 1009 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.279 comfort zone is because of conformity. Nobody wants to be that guy by the 1010 01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:17.880 watercool and have at this conversation because he's Look. I get so many emails 1011 01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:21.359 every day and they're all the same. Where are when you wake up? 1012 01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:26.479 And when I use that term, obviously everybody knows what I'm talking about. 1013 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:30.399 When you come to realize that most of everything that's out there is a lie, 1014 01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.920 you become isolated and many of the emails I get start out the same 1015 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:38.720 way. I'm I woke up X and X. You know, they tell 1016 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:44.560 me a little bit about their awakening, and you do lose friends. But 1017 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:53.520 you know, it takes you know, it takes bravery to stand by your 1018 01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:57.560 convictions and not to be the one to conform. Just like in high school. 1019 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.560 Remember when you're in high school and you had the pressure bro smoke a 1020 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.520 cigarette. You'll be cool, right, You had those pressures every day in 1021 01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:08.359 high school. They don't go away, they just change, and a lot 1022 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:12.680 of them have to do with with like your moral compass. And again, 1023 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.319 coming out as a truther is one of the most difficult things to do because 1024 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.840 they have people have been conditioned their entire life since they were a day old 1025 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:29.520 to believe two things. That there's a guy who's anagram is Satan in this 1026 01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.680 red suit that flies around the world and gives all the children presents on December 1027 01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.039 twenty fourth, and that we are on a ball, right, And then 1028 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:39.720 when they hit about eight or nine, they're told one of them was a 1029 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.159 lie. But your trust us, you're you're on a ball. So there 1030 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:47.319 is something to conformity and having the wherewithal and the courage to stand by your 1031 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:51.800 convictions. And you know, the other truths out there like nine to eleven 1032 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:57.560 and those things they do take some courage. Because I've been deplatform because of 1033 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:00.199 my other podcast, but flat earth is a whole new level. And that's 1034 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.399 why I actually had to come over here and do an entirely different podcast, 1035 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:08.760 because every single time I would bring it up, whether I was on a 1036 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:14.800 radio doing my radio show or on a podcast, I knew, I mean, 1037 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:16.920 you say anything bad about Trump or you say anything about flat Earth, 1038 01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:19.920 my email is going to be full the next day. And it got a 1039 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.479 little old to me. I'm human like everybody else, and it wears and 1040 01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.520 tears on you. So I said, I'm going to start this old separate 1041 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.800 podcast, so hopefully just people who are interested in flat Earth we'll join us. 1042 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:34.680 And I'm kind of shocked at nothing wrong with Trump? What right? 1043 01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:39.920 And you know, number one, I'm shocked at how many people. There's 1044 01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:43.760 a lot of people out there who are on board, and that's fantastic, 1045 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:49.399 But listen, it does take courage to stand on your beliefs. And if 1046 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:55.760 you look, there's so many stories in the Bible of people who stood by 1047 01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:00.399 God's word and were ridiculed, They were trivialized, and some of them were 1048 01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:03.159 even killed. You look at Shadrach Meshak and a Bidnego. They stood by 1049 01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:08.359 their convictions. They were stuck in a fire and God stood by them. 1050 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:14.720 That's conviction all God's, you know, stand by the truth if people think 1051 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:16.920 less of you or make fun of you. And I always tell people that 1052 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:23.880 I've lost lifelong friends over this journey in truth, people who I served with 1053 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:28.239 for fifteen years in combat, not fifteen years in combat, but I served 1054 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:31.479 within fifteen years and we've you know, that's tight friendship. But when I 1055 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.640 start to talk to them about that, they thought I was nuts. And 1056 01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:39.680 you don't hear from him much anymore. But at the end of the day, 1057 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:45.079 are they really your friends if they don't stand by you through Everything's that 1058 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.479 was a lot. I'll shut up and let you talk for a minute. 1059 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.399 Oh no, no, it's awesome. I think that, man, I 1060 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:56.520 do have a question. I'm like trying to figure out how to relate with 1061 01:21:56.760 --> 01:22:00.960 family and friends like people call them normis right, people who are normal, 1062 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:05.960 because you know, I'm pretty normal as well. I just at the same 1063 01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:11.560 time, I'm no longer interested in the normal stuff. I'm not interested in 1064 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.279 politics. I know that it's all rigged, and that you know, all 1065 01:22:15.319 --> 01:22:19.880 the presidents are related to the same British king and all these things, like 1066 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:27.720 it's all decided beforehand anyways, And they used to be able to deceive us 1067 01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:31.520 by making us a part of the deception. But now it's like, oh, 1068 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:38.000 it's rigged too much now where people are noticing, right, And that's 1069 01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:42.960 why I think we're we're coming to the end of it soon. But yeah, 1070 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.479 how how do you relate with you know, people who don't like shun 1071 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:50.640 you or don't write you off necessarily, but like don't really want to talk 1072 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:54.239 about the flat Earth? How do you hang out with them? Well, 1073 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.720 most of them, it's just my family, and I know my limits. 1074 01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:01.039 Every every now and then, I'll test them. When I meet new people. 1075 01:23:01.439 --> 01:23:04.520 One of the first things that I always do is I test. I'll 1076 01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:09.039 drop a few nuggets and just to see how they react to them, and 1077 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:12.920 if they seem interested or keen, or they've been down that road before, 1078 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:16.680 I'll expound on the conversation. I've always been someone over the last few years 1079 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:21.039 who has left breadcrumbs though. I'll have a conversation with someone and somewhere within 1080 01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:28.319 the conversation I'll say something about depending on the subject, I'll try to relate 1081 01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:31.600 it to something where I've studied in the truth and just to see to get 1082 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:35.800 a reaction, but hopefully where I've planted a seed. And then after we've 1083 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:39.800 had the conversation, they pull out their smartphone and kind of do a little 1084 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:43.079 research into what I've said, because I can tell when I drop a little 1085 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.319 nugget and when I see their right eyebrow go up a little bit, that 1086 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:48.880 I've planted a seed. But at the same time, I've learned that obviously, 1087 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:55.760 and this is something I was guilty of when I first fully embraced quote 1088 01:23:55.840 --> 01:24:00.600 unquote flat Earth, I was very eager to share it, and I didn't 1089 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.239 realize, like I'm sure a lot of people that obviously other people aren't so 1090 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:09.720 apt to embrace it the same way that we do. What do you mean, 1091 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.520 I'm crazy? It's right here. How can you not see it? 1092 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:16.279 And you know, yeah, going back to bart Sobrel, you know, 1093 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:20.840 here's a guy who worked for ABC and he had done documentaries before and he 1094 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:26.159 just happened to come upon the moon landing picture where he's standing there next to 1095 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:30.600 the flag and there's like shadows going in four different directions. And this guy 1096 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.600 is someone who's worked in production for I guess at that point a decade, 1097 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.560 and he's like, wait, wait, wait a second. If there's one 1098 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:42.199 source of light in the sky, why are their shadows going in all these 1099 01:24:42.279 --> 01:24:46.279 different directions. And this is just the logic that we need to take. 1100 01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:50.279 And again, I think instead of normi's I want to start using the word 1101 01:24:50.319 --> 01:24:54.479 conformist because people just want to conformed and be a part of the group. 1102 01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:59.720 They want to you know what I'm saying, yea, And people like Bart 1103 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:03.399 who it takes a lot of courage to go up to someone who was heralded 1104 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:08.800 as a hero an astronaut, right and call him a fraud. It takes 1105 01:25:08.840 --> 01:25:11.960 a lot of courage. And these are I'm not saying everybody needs to go 1106 01:25:12.039 --> 01:25:14.720 find an astronaut and call him a fraud. But in order for us to 1107 01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:17.840 wake more people up or show people God's word, we have to and I've 1108 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.399 been saying this for years, we have to get out of our normal comfort 1109 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:27.760 zone and not be afraid to discuss these things, but also be well versed 1110 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.119 and understand what we're talking about, because you don't want to go to try 1111 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:33.920 to present something to somebody and then stumble and not have any be able to 1112 01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:41.880 cite anything. It takes practice, but I just started calling them aquanuts. 1113 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:46.800 Aquannot that's fantastic. Well there's that little there's that TV show for the little 1114 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:50.359 kids. It's called Aquanuts. So people know what that is. They're like, 1115 01:25:50.479 --> 01:25:54.800 oh, aquanuts. They're yeah, yeah, the aquanuts that work for 1116 01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:58.880 NASA. They're like, wait, what you mean astronauts? No aquanuts, 1117 01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:01.039 right, I've never heard of that. Is that a children's TV show or 1118 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:05.159 something? Yeah? There, it's actually kind of fun, although it's very 1119 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:09.880 propaganda filled. Um, but yeah, they're like these little animals that are 1120 01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:16.720 they they're in a submarine. Basically, they're underwater astronauts basically. That's interesting. 1121 01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.640 Yeah. Sometimes they tell the truth, you know. Yeah, so 1122 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.399 they have to they have to tell the truth when they lie. I think 1123 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.439 they have to tell the truth in some manner while lying in the other manner, 1124 01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.800 like like their names for instance, like they're called deception. But yeah, 1125 01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:36.479 they didn't use that word deception. They use NASA instead. Yeah. 1126 01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:42.920 I had another question because I'm still learning it, right, So, what 1127 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.000 do you think shooting stars are that? You know that is one of the 1128 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:50.720 top ten questions I get, and that is David Weiss has some pretty good 1129 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:57.319 videos on and again, this is one of those things we can't explain anything. 1130 01:26:57.399 --> 01:27:00.199 There was that weird thing from twenty four team that happened in Russia. 1131 01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:04.600 We obviously see. I've seen them in my eyes, and I've seen them 1132 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:10.359 in the desert where it's amazing to see these things happens. I don't know 1133 01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:14.159 what these phenomenon are. Yeah, I see them all the time. I 1134 01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:18.319 tend to think that they're angels up there moving around, because I think angels 1135 01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:25.720 are the spiritual realm is is a bit different than here, and but I 1136 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.560 have no clue. I just wanted to hear your thoughts because I think that 1137 01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:33.000 without understanding that there's a firmament up there and that there are, you know, 1138 01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:39.399 other beings, spiritual beings that exist above our heads. When you understand 1139 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:42.760 that, it's like, oh, well, maybe those are just the spiritual 1140 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:47.000 beings like shooting around. I don't know, that's right, and I see 1141 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.600 them all the time. Correct me if I'm wrong. But the word angel 1142 01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:57.720 means a messenger, right, Yeah, but there's different kinds of spiritual beings 1143 01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.840 in heaven, so there are messengers, but there's also like warriors, and 1144 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:06.199 there's also like worshippers, and there's you know, all kinds of you know, 1145 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:14.079 quote unquote angels. Um. But yeah, and angelos is the word. 1146 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:18.079 I think angelos means messenger. Yeah, there you go. But yes, 1147 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.640 yes, stars. You know, I think a lot of people do 1148 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:29.279 believe that stars symbolize angels. So yeah, and they actually are over the 1149 01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:33.119 stars like they they care for the heavens up there. I think. So 1150 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.600 when you see things moving around and whatnot, I think it's just like, 1151 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:40.319 hey, I'm gonna move over here. I don't know, I don't know. 1152 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.199 I have no clue. Maybe they have little vehicles. Have you seen 1153 01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:47.760 like UFOs and um, you know, the ones that aren't like fake if 1154 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:50.800 they're if there are any that aren't fake, But the way they kind of 1155 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:55.760 shoot off, you know, I think that those could be you know, 1156 01:28:55.880 --> 01:29:00.680 messenger angels or whatever just shooting off. And I don't know, I remember 1157 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:02.359 the famous one from I don't know if it's been ten years or not, 1158 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:05.239 but the one that was shaped like a pill and would up down, left, 1159 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:09.840 right and then took off. Yeah. Yeah, but the ones from 1160 01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:14.560 the fifties that was obviously during the same time as they started the globe deception, 1161 01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:17.199 so they had to have you know these and of course they hit them 1162 01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:21.600 right. They wanted to make everybody more curious. How do you make people 1163 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:25.039 more curious, Well, you don't talk about them. You just put them, 1164 01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:28.239 give them a little breadcrumbs. At the same time, they were pushing 1165 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:33.079 all the science fiction propaganda in the fifties. Yeah, totally. I have 1166 01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:36.159 no Yeah, but I have no clue. It's like I kee basking, 1167 01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:41.600 like what are those things going on? The best explanation that I have biblically 1168 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.960 speaking, is just you know, there are beings up there, so oh, 1169 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:47.399 sure hears them. I guess. For a while, I was like, 1170 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:50.760 when I was going through this journey, like you said, it's really 1171 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:57.079 hard when nobody else is like relating with you on any of this stuff, 1172 01:29:57.119 --> 01:29:59.279 and I just kept like praying, like I want to see an angel. 1173 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:02.479 Like. But then I think one night I was like looking at the stars 1174 01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:05.359 and seeing shooting stars, and I was like, well, maybe those are 1175 01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:10.479 angels. That's that's interesting, that's an interesting thought. But yeah, I 1176 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.760 don't know. Yeah, it is certainly not you know, a star that 1177 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:17.199 has come from ten trillion miles away and just happened to fall is what they 1178 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:24.000 want you to believe, totally. Yeah, what else haven't we discussed up 1179 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:26.920 specifically about the flat Earth? What have we not covered? If we talked 1180 01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.560 about the firmament, which you did a tremendous job breaking down, and then 1181 01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:34.560 we've talked about an Arctic and then we were talking about you know, like 1182 01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:40.079 proofs of the flat earth. Obviously the curvature. Um. You know, 1183 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:43.600 maybe I could explain Sheol a little bit better for people, because yeah, 1184 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.079 that's tremendous. Everybody sees the picture with the firmament and then the Earth and 1185 01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:51.760 then sheel underneath. Yeah. So the Bible describes that Sheol is beneath our 1186 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:56.319 feet. And so I think a lot of people understand, like or have 1187 01:30:57.079 --> 01:31:01.359 an understanding or believe that the Earth there's like hollow earth underneath of us and 1188 01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:05.399 whatnot. Um. I don't think that that's necessarily like true, but it's 1189 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:10.279 also not false, you know. So I think that in scripture there's there's 1190 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.439 the world that's underneath of us, where you know, people go and they 1191 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.840 die, um. And then there's Tartarus, which is beneath sheel where angels 1192 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:23.600 who have transgressed the law of God go down and they're they're spending their days 1193 01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:30.359 in Tartarus until judgment. And so according to the biblical cosmos, Sheel is 1194 01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:35.439 literally beneath our feet. Heaven is literally above us. And there's interesting stories 1195 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:45.560 in in scripture where um, I think it was Saul calls up Zachary from 1196 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:49.520 the ground using like witchcraft and he literally comes up from the ground and they 1197 01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:54.640 say, behold, and Eloheim cometh from the up from the ground. He's 1198 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:59.720 literally right coming up from Sheol as a spirit, right, and then he's 1199 01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:02.039 like, why did you call me up here? Like this is transgressing the 1200 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.359 law of God, Like I'm not gonna help you out, you know. 1201 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:10.800 So it's always like interesting stories like that, But basically, Shiel is the 1202 01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.399 place, it's the resting place. And David goes to Shield. Jacob said, 1203 01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:18.640 he goes to Siol, He'll be going to Shol like And depending on 1204 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:23.960 whether or not you believe that we're in if you're a Christian, you might 1205 01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:27.640 understand this term millennial reign, which is nowhere in the Bible. But if 1206 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.359 you believe we're in that that time frame, then you might think that people 1207 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:34.119 are up in heaven with the Lord right now. But if we're not in 1208 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:38.600 that, then people still go down to Shiel and wait to be resurrected in 1209 01:32:38.720 --> 01:32:45.079 the last day. So that's basically what Sheol is. It's just a resting 1210 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.000 place for the dead. And I don't know. I think people like, 1211 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.560 if God wants people to be awake down there, they can be, but 1212 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:56.560 I think most of them are sleeping personally, and we're not. We're not 1213 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.760 supposed to go down there until we die, right, That's that's the idea 1214 01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:03.479 according to the Hebrew mindset. Yeah, it's freedom is something into this. 1215 01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:09.840 And they said Revelations twenty verse four kind of aired to a little bit, 1216 01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:14.760 but I don't really see the connection. Revelation twenty verse four. Yeah, 1217 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:20.520 that's talking about the mark. Well, that has to do with the millennial 1218 01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:24.960 okay, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years Okay, that's 1219 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:30.119 worth of Okay, the millennial rain, but that that word millennium, I 1220 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:35.239 mean, so the millennial rain is literally just means a long time period. 1221 01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:40.800 So people think like, oh, Yeshiwa died in roast two thousand years ago, 1222 01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:43.199 so we're not in the millennial rain. What are we in. We're 1223 01:33:43.239 --> 01:33:46.000 in like the Church age right, quote unquote, And I don't think that 1224 01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.279 I think that personally. I think we are Israel. I think that we 1225 01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:56.520 are of the faith of Abraham, so we are of the sons of Abraham, 1226 01:33:56.600 --> 01:34:00.840 as the apostles talk about in scripture. And if you have more questions 1227 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:03.199 about that, obviously like email me because I think it's super important. So 1228 01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:08.279 I think that this community as well as maybe open to hearing stuff like that, 1229 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:12.000 because you know, people are searching for truth and it's really important to 1230 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.720 know who you are, the truth of who you are. So, um, 1231 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:23.239 if you have any questions about you know, times and and who you 1232 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:27.640 are basically in accordance with that time that's been written from the beginning to the 1233 01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:32.000 end and we're in this you know final time, um, final till the 1234 01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:36.319 end of the age before judgment, which might come at twenty four, twenty 1235 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.079 forty five. I don't know. Again, I'm not a prophet, but 1236 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:44.680 that's what I think. So let me ask you this. Do you think 1237 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:49.079 the Gregorian calendar you don't think that was used to kind of keep his distance 1238 01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:55.760 from the real time or yeah, totally was okay, but there are there 1239 01:34:55.840 --> 01:35:00.760 are people who do a good job of correlating the Gregorian calendar with the years 1240 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.439 of the Bible. So, like I said, the years of Men are 1241 01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:06.640 five thousand, eight hundred and eighty, and you can know which year correlates 1242 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:11.800 according to the Gregorian calendar. But yeah, where we're following. You know, 1243 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:15.680 he changed the times, Yeah, he changed it. Yeah. It 1244 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:19.720 seems like everything they do is to keep us out of connection with God. 1245 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:26.560 I mean the heliocentrism, you know, the Big Bang theory, evolution, 1246 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:30.399 the calendars, and then you talk about the Illuminati. Obviously there is a 1247 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.800 knowledge that that folks at the top of the food chain have that they keep 1248 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:39.399 away from us like they I'm sure they do have many of the answers, 1249 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:45.000 maybe not so much biblical, but as to how the earth is really how 1250 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:49.800 it works, and they keep that knowledge. I think the idea for them 1251 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:56.479 is if they can change the times, right, if they can change, 1252 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:00.920 if they can create a shem themselves, like a name for themselves, and 1253 01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:04.479 they can change the times, then they can avoid judgment. I think that's 1254 01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:13.359 the idea. Yeah, that's interesting, but they can't, right, But 1255 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.800 I think they're trying. That's the only thing they can do, right, 1256 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:21.239 it's because they're doomed to be judged and destroyed. Yeah, And I think 1257 01:36:21.680 --> 01:36:26.079 you know all the people on that side of the fence, and you know 1258 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:29.359 whether or not their characters on the world stage or actual people. And I'm 1259 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:31.960 talking about the you know, the Bill Gates, etc. I think a 1260 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:36.680 lot of the things that they do, especially with science, is they are 1261 01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:41.119 seeking eternal life. And you've got Elon who all of a sudden, the 1262 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:45.079 people on the quote unquote right is their new hero. Is this the same 1263 01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:47.960 guy who wants to put a chip in people's brain. I do think everything 1264 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:53.239 they do is anti God and they are trying to get their version of eternal 1265 01:36:53.319 --> 01:36:58.800 life, and they will accomplish it. That's what the scripture says. Revelations 1266 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:02.520 says men will seek death but will not find it. And this is why, 1267 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:05.800 you know, when judgment comes at the end of the age, it's 1268 01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:12.920 really mercy like where God destroys them. I think because they found eternal life, 1269 01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:17.760 but it's in opposition to the way of God, and so therefore they're 1270 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:21.600 being tormented day and night and they cannot die. Literally, that's what it 1271 01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:26.680 says. And I think that you know, the locusts, you know, 1272 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:30.479 when that's the part of the part where it's talking about it. The locusts 1273 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:34.720 swarm the earth and they're injecting people with something that allows them eternal life and 1274 01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:41.680 they can't die. It's interesting and it's extremely interesting. I think they're drones 1275 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:45.640 like with you know, needles. That's what I think personally. Oh boy, 1276 01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:50.199 it sounds like we'ren't for a fun next twenty years or so. Yeah. 1277 01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:53.640 I don't want to scare people. I think the most important thing is 1278 01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:57.520 to have peace spiritually. Yeah, you can't. You can't really prepare for 1279 01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:00.760 it physically. I'm not saying preparation physically is bad. I'm just saying that 1280 01:38:01.359 --> 01:38:05.359 spiritual preparation is far more important. It's important to know who you are, 1281 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:11.199 and it's important to know we're commanded to understand these things that Daniel's writing about, 1282 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:15.800 and these things literally Daniel says these things will be unsealed at the end, 1283 01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:18.600 in the last days. Well, if we're in the last days, 1284 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:23.479 these things are being unsealed for us to understand, and nobody has been able 1285 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:27.199 to understand them until now, right, That's what the Bible says, And 1286 01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:31.039 so it's important if you want spiritual preparation to understand these things, and you 1287 01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:34.319 can you can't understand them. There's a lot of people who do a lot 1288 01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:39.760 of good work on this, So again email me and they go and let 1289 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:45.199 the listeners know what your email again was oil swims Live at gmail dot com. 1290 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:49.079 There you go, oil swims Live at gmail dot com. Oil swims 1291 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:57.680 Live. And we've got about ten minutes left or so was there anything pertaining 1292 01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:02.319 flutter that we haven't covered yet? I have like this list of like strange 1293 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:06.239 coincidences. Yeah, go ahead, I think it's it's kind of fun. 1294 01:39:08.039 --> 01:39:11.800 This is the stuff that brought me to question. A lot of the stuff 1295 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:15.279 is that, like the moon in the sun are the exact same size, 1296 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:17.880 Like what are the what are the odds of that? And the moon orbits 1297 01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:23.279 at the same exact speed of its rotation, what's the odds of that? 1298 01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:27.159 Like we don't see the dark side of the moon, you know, like 1299 01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:31.159 it's literally orbiting us at the same exact speed speed as its rotation, or 1300 01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:36.159 perhaps it doesn't rotate and it's not orbiting, right, that's a better explanation 1301 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.600 in my mind. Isn't an amazing Speaking of the moon in the sun, 1302 01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:45.880 how sometimes they can see it seems so small and then sometimes they can seem 1303 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:50.520 just so huge. Yeah, and I think it's atmospheric lensing. Yeah, 1304 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:57.000 depending on where you are in Utah. You know that there's not a lot 1305 01:39:57.039 --> 01:40:00.079 of water in the air, so I actually get a pretty good a depiction 1306 01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:02.600 of like, you know, how far away the sun is and whatnot, 1307 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:05.560 except the mountains kind of block it as it as it goes away from us. 1308 01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:12.079 Um. But yeah, it's it's interesting. Um, what's your elevation 1309 01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.600 were you're at now? Six thousand feet? Oh, you're up there, 1310 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:19.399 My goodness. Yeah. And when I climb a mountain, there's mountains around 1311 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:23.800 that are like twelve thousand feet. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah. I 1312 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:26.560 actually I'm a big morning hiker. I love hiking in the mornings. And 1313 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:30.720 when you go hiking in the mornings, you see how the sun is coming, 1314 01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:34.399 Like the sun the skylights up like three hours before the sun even comes 1315 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:39.079 over the mountain. Yeah, it's you know, it's almost like it's being 1316 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:45.800 illuminated by water in the firmament or something. You don't say. Um, 1317 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:48.840 I think it's a strange thing that the sun and the moon give off different 1318 01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:53.479 kinds of light, even though they say that the sun reflects the moon, 1319 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.680 right, the moon reflects the sun light. Yeah. Um, it's a 1320 01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:00.439 strange coincidence that there are there are no new stars ever. Ever, Like, 1321 01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:04.279 well, if there's a bunch of stars that are outside of you know, 1322 01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:08.199 our line of sight, shouldn't there light be you know, light years 1323 01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:11.880 and stuff. Every year there should be new stars coming into view. Well. 1324 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:15.319 No, And their explanation for that is, well, because the universe 1325 01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:18.600 is expanding so fast at the speed of light, so their light never reaches 1326 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:23.680 us. It's like, oh, isn't that convenient? I just thought of 1327 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:29.640 that in the church lady's voice. Isn't that convenient? Yeah? I think 1328 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:33.520 another coincidence is all the occultic numerology and all the models. Yes, absolutely, 1329 01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:39.079 that's a big and there's so many. I mean, you're a numerology 1330 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:43.239 guy, and you would take interest in the Hebrew language because all the letters 1331 01:41:43.279 --> 01:41:47.399 in the Hebrew language correlate numerologically, because I think they correlate with stars, 1332 01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:53.159 Like I was saying, Yeah, creation in general, I've delved a little 1333 01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:55.960 bit, and there is even if I remember correctly, this is going back 1334 01:41:56.000 --> 01:42:00.640 a little bit, but there is even some Hebrew numerology in our mass marketing 1335 01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:05.880 here, if I remember correctly, the logo for Monster Energy translates to six 1336 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:13.920 six six Yeah, yeah, totally. Um. I think another coincidence is, 1337 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.600 you know NASA's model for the lunary eclipse, which I have a question, 1338 01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:21.960 what how you think equips eclipses work? But NASA's model for the lunary 1339 01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:27.399 eclipse is literally the sigil of Satan. Yeah, Like, you can look 1340 01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:30.840 up sigil of Satan and look up NASA's model for lunary eclipse. It's the 1341 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:39.680 same exact shape and it's it's not even the way they um put their model 1342 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:45.520 together is not even like size correlationally correct at all, And it's just it's 1343 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.960 just funny. They just they force it to be the sigil of Satan. 1344 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:56.520 Wow, you you google sigil of Satan, and my goodness, Amazon has 1345 01:42:56.560 --> 01:43:00.279 a thousand rings, necklaces, and even pop sockets for your phone you can 1346 01:43:00.319 --> 01:43:03.439 buy with the sigil of Lucifer. My goodness, gracious. Yeah, um 1347 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.319 um, interesting, we talked about this. Another's coincidence NASA and Hebrew means 1348 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.119 deception. Uh, NASA's lies. You know, if we get into that 1349 01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:17.800 they're the largest consumer of helium that's right on the Earth, the underwater. 1350 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:24.279 I ssh, it's a strange coincidence that ISS is the same you know, 1351 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:28.600 sounds like isis the queen of Heaven. That's right. And the shape of 1352 01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:31.960 isis as well. You know the most famous statue of isis. If you 1353 01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:35.960 look at that statue and then you look up the ISS and you see the 1354 01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:41.560 ISS above the Earth and the same you know, standing in the same way 1355 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:45.600 as isis does. Um, there's no picture of the Earth from space. 1356 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.560 I mean that's a big one. I mean the one that they have what 1357 01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:53.279 is in nineteen seventy four and it's it's literally the window capsule. Yeah, 1358 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:59.000 but they're you think like people think that, but they're sending rovers to Mars 1359 01:43:59.119 --> 01:44:03.199 and remote control them from the Earth if you believe that. Okay, I 1360 01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:06.359 put something out on Instagram the other day. You know, we get our 1361 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:13.680 images from like banks surveillance. But but but our pictures from Mars are clearer 1362 01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:16.560 than our bank footage, you know, our images from bank footage right here 1363 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:21.359 in the United States or in the world. And I remember being I said 1364 01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:25.960 this the other day, but people still won't accept it. I mean, 1365 01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:29.439 being five to six seven years old. We didn't have cable yet in the 1366 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:33.319 early to mid seventies, and we had antennas and we could barely get reception 1367 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.880 from like Philadelphia, and I was in We were in a suburb south of 1368 01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:42.960 Wilmington, which again was like thirty miles so we'd struggled to get some signals 1369 01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:45.960 in In the early eighties. My dad, he was in the National Guards 1370 01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.319 and he spent two weeks in Germany and when he called. I don't know 1371 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:51.520 if there still is today, but there was like a two second lag when 1372 01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:55.760 you said something to when he heard it, and when he heard it to 1373 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:00.840 you, vice versa. Right, And we're to believe that in July of 1374 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:06.560 nineteen sixty nine they had just a swimmingly flowing conversation from from two hundred and 1375 01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:13.840 you know, thirty nine thousand miles away people, But still people won't accept 1376 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:18.199 that we just did not have the technology. And this is the only technology 1377 01:45:18.319 --> 01:45:21.800 in the history of mankind. If if you all know something, please email 1378 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:26.800 it to me. But what other technology in our history has gone backwards? 1379 01:45:28.439 --> 01:45:33.079 None? Us. So it's so crazy, man. If you good luck 1380 01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:36.880 with life. If you think that they're remote controlling a rover, all the 1381 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:43.279 way to miles and it's just functioning just fine. And the documentary, I 1382 01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:45.800 mean, if you see like any of the NASA documentaries and stuff, they're 1383 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:50.319 all just horribly done. Cgi there's no like real footage. And if there 1384 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:56.279 is real footage, it's done in Iceland, right. And the Sea of 1385 01:45:56.359 --> 01:46:00.760 Tranquility that's on the Moon is in Arizona. You can look up the Sea 1386 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:04.800 of Tranquility in Arizona. And they literally blasted craters into the earth and then 1387 01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:10.079 it has the backgrounds in on the Moon or the same as the backgrounds. 1388 01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:13.840 You know, they just blacked out the sky, right. And then it's 1389 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:17.800 it's another funny thing like the earth rise on the moon. You know, 1390 01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:23.199 if you look at where they landed on the moon, and the moon does 1391 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:27.399 not the moon does not rotate. It's always facing the Earth. Right, 1392 01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.720 they landed on the face of the Moon, and they're saying that they see 1393 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:34.560 an earth rise over the moon. Like, just think about that for two 1394 01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:40.800 seconds. It's the dumbest thing. There is no earth rise on the moon. 1395 01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:48.239 No, because there's no rotation the Earth. The Moon's always facing the 1396 01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:53.520 Earth. So if they landed that, you can't get an Earth over the 1397 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:57.760 horizon of the Moon. That's not They didn't land there. They landed right 1398 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.600 on the face of it, so they say, you don't. It's interesting 1399 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.039 if I can that that Sea of Tranquility, and I guess it was in 1400 01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:09.039 Flagstaff or Scottsdale, Arizona. Yeah, yeah, they closed it down, 1401 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:14.640 they yeah, big red permanently closed. It was created in nineteen sixties. 1402 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:17.760 This is interesting. Listen to this. Crater Field one was created in nineteen 1403 01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:24.399 sixty seven as a replica to the Moon's Mare Tranquilitis or the Sea of Tranquility. 1404 01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:30.680 It was created in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah, that's so funny. 1405 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.039 Oh my goodness. But again, just another dollar in the coincidence, jar, 1406 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:39.079 I guess. Yeah. Another coincidence would be Antarctica and how you can't 1407 01:47:39.119 --> 01:47:45.319 go there and the names of the islands and how you know they're the navigation 1408 01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:53.319 systems don't work down there. They literally have to use routes and stuff. 1409 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.279 Saying it's funny, like if you think the Earth is actually a ball, 1410 01:47:57.439 --> 01:48:00.279 like wouldn't there be like a magnetic poll on the top of the ball and 1411 01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.960 on the bottom as well, Right, You would think once you cross the 1412 01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:10.159 equator that north would go south right, Yeah, not so, but it 1413 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.680 doesn't work like that. I guess like the further you get from the center 1414 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.600 of the Earth, the uh, the less the navigation systems work. And 1415 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:21.600 yeah, there's a lot with Antarctica obviously. Um, it's weird how warn't 1416 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:26.399 of von Braun was going down there in the middle of the space race, 1417 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.319 Like why why would you be going down to Antarctica in the middle of the 1418 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:34.479 space race. And they get moon rocks down from down there and they're actually 1419 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:41.720 petrified wood and stuff like that, which is another Nassa li And yeah, 1420 01:48:41.960 --> 01:48:44.560 yeah, I thought it was interesting that they even announced it. It was 1421 01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:49.279 I think just a decade ago week, like the um astronauts gave was it 1422 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:54.520 Switzerland or Finland one of the rocks, and then they did a test on 1423 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:59.560 it and they're like, this is petrified wood. Yeah, like this liars 1424 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:01.800 exactly. By the way, you know, you're talking about Warner von Braun 1425 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:06.039 gone out there, what about the Germans going down there in nineteen thirty nine, 1426 01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:11.359 in nineteen forty and in the midst of their war. Yeah, well 1427 01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:15.800 it's because they're trying to get through the firmament down there, that sky ice 1428 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.800 that where it reaches that they can't, you know. So, so an 1429 01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:25.119 interesting thing happened. I was watching this like man kind of astronaut conference thing, 1430 01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:29.680 and in twenty and seventeen, something really interesting happened where they took like 1431 01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:33.640 buzz Aldren went down there and stuff, and they actually like there's a story 1432 01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:41.000 of they saw something and they were like it literally scarred their psyche. It's 1433 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:46.560 some interesting stuff, but it correlates a lot with them the Sign in the 1434 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:53.520 Heavens that Revelation twelve talks about with the Woman in the Stars who and I 1435 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:58.720 think Micah five also talks about that same exact thing which that sign happened in 1436 01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:02.880 twenty and seventeen and they went down there and they're like they saw something, 1437 01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:08.479 and it's like it's a really vague I mean, I probably wouldn't even be 1438 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:11.039 talking about it because I don't know anything about it. But yeah, some 1439 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:16.680 weird stuff's been happening in Antarctic. I guess, well, I wonder if 1440 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:24.760 they think there's some kind of power with the water that's on the other side 1441 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.800 of the firmament. I wonder if it's something. And again, I think 1442 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:31.399 it's silly that humans think that they can actually can conquer something God created, 1443 01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:35.239 But obviously they tried. If we believe the stories of the fifties, it 1444 01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:39.640 certainly seems to say. And why if if you think that there's water on 1445 01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:43.319 the other sides, why the world would you want to destroy the firmament and 1446 01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:48.239 wipe out obviously God. Once again, God's saying, you're not gonna Only 1447 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:53.560 I can say when it's over right, right. But it's just interesting when 1448 01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:56.960 you hear about these stories and people once again, they don't put one and 1449 01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:00.840 one together. Why they do these things. But to be fair, again, 1450 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:03.600 when you went through school, do you remember any stories about Operation High 1451 01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:09.920 Jump, Operation Dominic, and Fishbowl? No? No, they didn't tell 1452 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:13.560 us about those. Yeah, that's part of the problem. These things are 1453 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:16.680 conveniently left out of the textbooks. Yeah. Well they took it out too 1454 01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:23.439 for the current curriculum, Like was it the nineteen fifty eight Brian again had 1455 01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:28.079 about the firmament in it. Yeah. Yeah, so they and other government 1456 01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:31.000 sources they talk about the firmament, but yet they conveniently leave it out of 1457 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:34.520 our curriculum. And they put a globe in every classroom from the time you're 1458 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:41.319 you know, in school till you leave, you're seeing this ball Earth and 1459 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.439 if you look up have you have you gone m the True size dot com 1460 01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:50.079 that website you can see the true size of continents. So if you take 1461 01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:54.720 Greenland, for instance, which looks huge on a globe, right, indeed, 1462 01:51:54.840 --> 01:51:57.600 take Greenland and then you can drag it down and see the true size 1463 01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:00.600 of it compared to like the United States for instance, and it shrinks. 1464 01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:06.319 It's like the size of Texas, right. And the reason why is because 1465 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:10.880 you know, if you draw something on a balloon, right, and then 1466 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:14.199 you blow up that balloon, it stretches it out. And that's what they 1467 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:18.600 did with the I see what you're saying. And then they made that they 1468 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:23.920 stretched it into a globe. And so obviously the things around the Arctic Circle 1469 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:27.880 in the center of the Earth are going to be a lot bigger. And 1470 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:30.800 they actually get bigger below the equator like as well a little bit. But 1471 01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:35.479 that's also because they're stretching it. So, yeah, they're trying to stretch 1472 01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:41.000 it around where the equator is. It's the truest part of it is around 1473 01:52:41.319 --> 01:52:45.680 I think the equator, and then up and down it starts stretching. The 1474 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:48.079 more north you get and the more south to get that is so ridiculous. 1475 01:52:48.439 --> 01:52:51.960 Thank you so much for pointing this out, everybody. I'll put this hold 1476 01:52:53.000 --> 01:52:58.399 on. Let me write this down. The words don't do this justice. 1477 01:52:58.439 --> 01:53:00.680 So go to the true size dot and on the top left it will say 1478 01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:05.000 the true size of dot dot dot. Just type in Greenland and then it'll 1479 01:53:05.279 --> 01:53:10.880 like encapsulate around it, right, and then you drag it to the United 1480 01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:15.279 States. And when you're looking at the map, it looks like Greenland is 1481 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:17.920 twice the size of the United States. When you drag it down, it 1482 01:53:18.119 --> 01:53:23.479 encapsulates maybe a third of the United States, and that doesn't include Alaska. 1483 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.279 Yeah, that's a trip. Yeah, it's because they had to stretch it 1484 01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.159 into a ball, and obviously in the center of the Earth, things are 1485 01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:34.680 a lot smaller because they have to fit into that tight space course. You 1486 01:53:34.760 --> 01:53:38.760 know, there's not that much water there. You know, that's that's there's 1487 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.359 not tons of water. So they had to you know, make it feel, 1488 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:45.279 you know, in the same amount of space as as it would otherwise 1489 01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:53.199 on a ball. So, um other strange coincidences, let's see um flight 1490 01:53:53.279 --> 01:53:57.079 paths, I guess would be another one. Yeah, that's a huge one 1491 01:53:57.199 --> 01:54:00.439 for me. And it's funny. I kick myself sometimes times. All the 1492 01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:04.159 times I was flying Transatlantic, you know, going from the United States to 1493 01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:06.680 the Middle East, I would watch, you know, they had to on 1494 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:10.479 the screen you could watch the flight and I'm like, why are we going 1495 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:14.199 up into a curve? That makes no sense whatsoever? And I never feel 1496 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:18.119 you're just going straight exactly. I'm like, why is this? Why why 1497 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:21.520 wouldn't we go straight across? Is it because they're afraid we're going to crash? 1498 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:26.039 And of course when you look at the flight plass excuse me, the 1499 01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:30.119 flight paths on a flat earth, it makes one complete sense. Yeah, 1500 01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:34.640 it does. And done quite a bit of flying myself, and it's like 1501 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:38.720 it never made sense. I'm like, why are we going all the way 1502 01:54:39.600 --> 01:54:43.800 there to go back down there? That makes no sense? And now it 1503 01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:46.880 does. Have you had a chance to check out the book Sixteen Emergency Landings 1504 01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:50.800 that put that proved flatter, I have not check it out. If you 1505 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:55.039 get a chance there there you can find a copy on the line. It's 1506 01:54:55.079 --> 01:54:59.199 a great coffee table item to have because you know, you look at the 1507 01:54:59.239 --> 01:55:01.840 flight paths and where the emergency occurs and where they should have been and where 1508 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:08.359 they actually landed. It's really eye opening. Oh and George, I would 1509 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:13.119 say, you remember early in the conversation, it might be good to put 1510 01:55:14.359 --> 01:55:18.159 a link to that, or even put the video six the first six minutes 1511 01:55:18.199 --> 01:55:21.399 of the video of Michael Heiser. I can share that link with you. 1512 01:55:21.560 --> 01:55:27.239 Yeah, please do. He describes how there's no way the ancient Hebrews believed 1513 01:55:27.279 --> 01:55:32.079 any of this was anything except objectively true. What they're talking about about the 1514 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:38.640 shape of the Earth is that's what they believe physically is the case. He's 1515 01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:43.159 not like a flat earther. He believes that, you know that God was 1516 01:55:43.239 --> 01:55:45.600 just talking to them in a way they would understand, I think. But 1517 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:50.520 he does recognize that the ancient Hebrews they did believe it to be this way. 1518 01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:54.279 And so I'll share that link with you and you can just I don't 1519 01:55:54.279 --> 01:55:56.560 know if you'd want to share like the first six minutes of it, but 1520 01:55:56.600 --> 01:55:58.840 he does a pretty good job. Yeah, just send me the link and 1521 01:55:58.960 --> 01:56:01.000 I'll incorporate the link to the show description and people can watch a little bit 1522 01:56:01.079 --> 01:56:04.079 or they can watch the whole thing. Yeah. Perfect, absolutely so, 1523 01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:09.079 So everybody make sure you do check the show description. I'll have the true 1524 01:56:09.119 --> 01:56:14.800 size dot com. We'll have Michael Heiser's we'll have um oil swims live at 1525 01:56:14.880 --> 01:56:17.680 gmail dot com so you can reach out to Josiah and much much more. 1526 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:23.960 It's been a tremendous two hours. And uh and again I am in all 1527 01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:29.079 of your knowledge of the Bible, and I think while I was busy going 1528 01:56:29.119 --> 01:56:34.920 back and forth, I lost You said it was Proverbs twenty nine. Proverbs. 1529 01:56:35.960 --> 01:56:44.399 Let's see the one that preferred to Antarctica. Proverbs eight twenty nine assigned 1530 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.119 he assigned to the sea it's limit. Yes, the waters might not transgress 1531 01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:50.760 his command when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Okay, I 1532 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:56.199 thought I intentionally left that opens. There's so many verses too, man um, 1533 01:56:56.680 --> 01:57:00.239 Yeah, that's great. How the sky's above are firm Proverbs twenty eight, 1534 01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:04.479 which is right before that says when he made firm, which is the 1535 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:08.600 same word they use for a tree that grows hard and firm. Right, 1536 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:13.319 when he made firm the sky's above, when he established the fountains of the 1537 01:57:13.479 --> 01:57:15.880 deep, when he assigned to the sea its limits so that the waters might 1538 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.640 not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth. 1539 01:57:23.039 --> 01:57:28.399 Well done. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. I'd like to give 1540 01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:32.960 you the final word. Yeah, I would just you know, if anyone's 1541 01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:36.039 out there and you believe that the word of God is in scripture, I 1542 01:57:36.039 --> 01:57:41.279 would just ask this, you know, ask this question, like what does 1543 01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:45.800 this mean? Like why does this matter? You know, when people ask 1544 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:48.640 you why does it matter that the earth is flat? The answers not because 1545 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:54.039 they're lying. That's not the answer. The reason it matters is because you're 1546 01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:57.520 written in the stars. That's why it matters. And you're being like, 1547 01:57:58.039 --> 01:58:02.159 we've all been deceived to believe some thing otherwise, and that's a major problem, 1548 01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:05.840 especially if it is the case that we are coming to the end of 1549 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:09.720 the age right now. If twenty twenty was the middle of the week, 1550 01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:14.239 according to like the seventy Weeks of Daniel, the seventy Shaboos of Daniel, 1551 01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:17.880 that it's good to be prepared spiritually for what's about to come. And I 1552 01:58:17.920 --> 01:58:23.000 think twenty twenty three this is a shaboo year and it's going to be a 1553 01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:26.840 massive deal in my opinion, and as far as I understand, this year 1554 01:58:26.920 --> 01:58:30.159 is going to be huge. We had that bank failure that happened the night 1555 01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:34.760 of Chabuot. That's no coincidence. Things like this are happening and they're going 1556 01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:39.079 to be happening on the appointed times, So that's all. That's all I'll 1557 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:44.000 say. Yeah, and we've already seen three banks fail, and we know 1558 01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:49.159 what's gone on in Eastern Europe and China, and again it's there's a fine 1559 01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:56.119 line between being uninformed and misinformed. Just try to stay true to yourself, 1560 01:58:56.439 --> 01:59:00.399 stand by your convictions, and all glory to God. I think so much 1561 01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:03.159 Josiah for joining us today. I hope we can have you back down the 1562 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:06.520 road. Thank you to everybody who continues to listen. Thank you for your 1563 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:11.880 emails the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. Feel free to stop in 1564 01:59:11.880 --> 01:59:15.000 the chat room at the flatterth Files dot com say hello. If you have 1565 01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:17.079 questions, you can email me, but you can also go to the forum 1566 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:21.600 and leave your questions there. There's lots of people who will opine on your 1567 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:27.119 thoughts other than just myself. So for Josiah, I am George. God 1568 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:29.600 bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel. And until next time, 1569 01:59:29.640 --> 01:59:30.560 my friends, we will see you