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From workhouse connect in aj Benza fame. He'd like to be walked on a

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leash and play really dirty, kinky
sex games. He's the guy put the

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cock in the peacock network. Okay, bitch, hey, everybody, aj

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Benzi here, what fame is a
bitch? This is your free show.

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It is Memorial Day. You'll probably
get this sometime late afternoon early evening.

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I wanted you guys to have some
time if you're barbecues and pool parties and

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such. Many of you are traveling, so I thought I could go a

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little bit longer today and not get
it out first thing in the morning.

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This is one of those holidays that
really begins everything fresh, you know,

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Memorial Days a start of summer.
People have a different vibe about them.

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It seems to be more opportunity in
the air. COVID's way behind us,

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so to speak. Well, the
pandemic is there's now some order in the

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political landscape. But most Americans two
thirds of Americans polled, do not want

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Biden anywhere near the White House again, and they think they're gonna be major

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steps coming up soon that where he
either steps down or definitely does not run.

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In twenty twenty four. You've got
Trump finding it out with the Santiss

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on social media, which is just
what the Democrats want. But I'll tell

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you what it's gonna do. It's
also going to fire up a lot of

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Republicans, a lot of conservatives,
especially Governor Ron DeSantis's speech he made about

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how our military is so woke,
and the first thing he will do on

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day one if he wins the presidency
will be to shore up on military and

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I think that's a fantastic idea.
That's what Trump did, but Obama let

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it go to shit, and Biden's
even doing worse. We care more about

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what pronouns our soldiers used than what
kind of guns they carry. We care

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about making basic training easier, more
diversity, more inclusion, more equity.

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It's all bullshit. Those bad guys
across the river, across the ocean to

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be faced by our bad guys,
not the men and women of d Ei

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H. Christ. We're a laughing
stock. So there's the Santist making bold

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statements of what he'll do a day
one, and you've got Trump on truth

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social just going off unhinged, calling
everybody in power of fascist Marxist communist pigs.

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Which many of them are. But
you know, when Trump writes in

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all caps and throws a bunch of
exclamation points in there, and you know,

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goes by his it talks about himself
in third person, it could turn

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It does turn people off. And
now we're finally getting to see somebody else

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in the Republican Party have a more
measured tone, a more measured response about

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things. And you know, another
ear of this, or nine ten months

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of it, it's gonna really tell
the tale. Trump's got a sizeable lead

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on DeSantis now, but that could
all evaporate a lot of chess moves being

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made here. And I think either
way, us on the right don't lose.

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I think it Trump slips in,
I really think he'll win. And

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if he does it and DeSantis tops
him, I think De Santis will beat

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out the Democratic challenges. You'll come
down to De Santis and Newsom or Trump

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and Newsom, and it's gonna be
interesting because Kennedy is gonna go out up

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with Newsom and yeah, there you
some good stuff. Good stuff go on.

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That all starts because now the summer
officially begins, and I just think

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people have a different outlook on life. I was I was watching this movie

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called fat Man the other day on
Amazon Prime. Mel Gibson stars as Santa.

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Chris Kringle, you know, let's
way up north of Alaska, North

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Pole. Some little snunt and those
kid, it's not those rich kid sends

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a hit man played by Walton Goggin. So I love Since the Shield,

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he was Michael Chickless's partner on The
Shield. I loved it. He sends

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him to go kill Santa. You
know, naturally, because it's modern times,

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Santa has a black wife. Of
course, not a pretty black wife

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either. I don't know what they're
doing with that casting, but okay,

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whatever. We've always seen Santa's wife
as a white woman, but okay,

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now he's married to a black woman. Whatever. There's all the elves there

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helping them with his deliveries. But
I'm gonna tell you, writing this script,

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there had to have been some cocaine
readily available because the subplots involved in

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this movie was so crazy. I'm
not gonna tell you everything. I won't

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tell you the ending either, but
maybe you'll see it one day. But

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you can't think of this stuff while
you're straight. You know. I had

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my days writing scripts while high.
Everything seems great. When you finally go

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to bed and turn in the next
morning, you go right back to your

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laptop and you reread what you wrote, and you go, oh my god,

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this is this is bad, this
is insane. Delete delete, delete.

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It sucks, but you you have
to get rid of all that crazy

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dialogue and impossible twists and turns that
only drugs can make you come up with.

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And it's a bad feeling to know
you wasted three hours on shit,

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and that's all got to be deleted. Because you know the thing about writing

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a screenplayer or a book, for
example, by the time you're done with

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either of them, you've literally read
those things over a hundred times, easy

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over a hundred times, because you're
constantly going back and making changes, especially

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when the ends don't tie up them. The ropes don't tie together at the

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end, you know what I mean. You can't have anything dangling. You

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want something's covered. I get so
nuts when a movie has something to hang

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it wasn't covering in the end.
I get like, how could they not

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see that? I just you don't
want to watch movies with me? I

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go crazy. But you always got
to go back and make changes. As

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the great Gumple always says, if
your ending is off, you got to

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go back to the first act.
That's what you'll find what's wrong, and

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you fix it from there. And
sometimes that's like a scavenger hunt. It

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can take you all sorts of ways, but there comes that moment of clarity

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when somehow it all works and you
have to have someone you respect read it

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because you're too close to it.
You know, you sometimes can't understand if

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it's even any good. That's why
you know when I wrote when Coumple and

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I wrote Whole Self In, which
I think we both would feel is the

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best thing we've written together. No, Neil's written scripts on its own that

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are great, but I think that's
our best effort, even though we sold

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another one that never got made.
But this Whole Self in, I've said

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before, it's beautiful. And when
I gave it to Warren Beatty Sean Penn,

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basically not someone because I thought they'd
make it, but because I wanted

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them to read. I wanted their
feedback, and the feedback was great from

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both those guys. Not the bread, but that means a lot when you

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go to guys like that, real
filmmakers and see what they think, because

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it happens. Sometimes you're too close
to something you don't know that. I

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don't know who wrote fat Man.
I should look it up, but I

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didn't. But it's crazy, it's
crazy. I remember Smokey Robinson and I

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used to talk at the Playboy Mansion
parties, and unbelievably, he was a

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fan of mine. I had no
idea. I mean, why, why

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would they even think something like that? So I mentioned this before one night,

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I'm talking to some girls and you
know, long, come Smokey Robinson,

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those icy blue eyes and that smooth
voice. And he goes, excuse

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me, you're a J Benza.
So yeah, because I'm a fan,

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I'm Smokey. I said, I
know who you are. You're a fan

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of mine. I said, I
gotta tell you you are one of them

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of a writer and singer. And
he was so happy that I said writer

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first. I could tell even though
he still sounds great with his voice,

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but he's a writer at heart,
because he was and still is very proud

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of the songs he wrote for himself
and the songs he wrote for other people.

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He told me at one point that
the song he'd better shop around he

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wrote in thirty minutes and it was
gonna be given to a friend of his

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to record, and Barry Gordy over
at Motown told him, no, no,

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no, no, you gotta sing
this song, smoke and he's like,

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no, it's gonna go to think. The guy's name is Barrett,

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I forget. It's no, it's
going to sell and sell, and Barry's

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like, no, it's not.
No, you'll singing this song, so

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he begrudgingly reported himself. A few
weeks later, it's on the radio and

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Barry Gordy calls at three o'clock in
the morning and says, we got to

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fix something. Would shop around.
He says, man, it's three am.

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Gordy says, Smoky, I know
what's wrong with it. I know

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what changes to make and it will
shoot to number one, and Smokes like,

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all right, you know it's been
in rotation for two weeks. Gordy's

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like, I'm pulling up from rotation. I'm gonna fix it. I know

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what's wrong with it. Smokey says, I'll see you tomorrow. He's no,

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not tomorrow now, Smokey. Now
get the band here, let's get

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to work. That's the way it
was with Berry Gordy three o'clock in the

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morning. I gotta do this now. I still remember it well, I

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remember the changes. It's still in
my head. And the band went in

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and rerecorded it, and I think
Berry Gordy change to melody, the bridge,

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even the style of his sung in
and indeed shot to number one within

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a week. But what I mean
is sometimes it takes someone else, another

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writer, to hear what you sang
or read what you wrote, and they

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can find the things you miss because
you've been too close to it. But

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anyhow, watching If Fat Man made
me think of working with Mel Gibson way

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back in nineteen ninety six on the
film Ransom Well. I was ninety five.

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It came out in ninety six.
I've always liked Gets. I love

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him in movies. I know.
He went berserk on the Pacific Coast Highway

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that night and said all wars have
started because of Jews, and he called

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the female cop sugar tits, and
then later on went on a high rate

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with that phone call to his ex
and wish that a pack of N words

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would come together in rape or like
awful stuff. It was horror fun.

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He was also incredibly drunk, big
drinker, back then, and I just

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I don't know what. I can't
judge a man completely for eternity for something

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he said will absolutely pissed, drunk
and about to be arrested. And I

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know it's awful stuff. Some people
can't forgive him. I get it,

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but I did. I think he's
paid his penance. Plus I love his

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acting, from Braveheart to his little
thing I just saw recently with Vince Vaughan

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called Dragged Across Concrete. I like
that he's making this slow comeback and people

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are recognizing his acting again. No, that cancelation ship is falling to the

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wayside. But he was always solid
with me. And you know, I

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brought up Chris Elise on the Patreon
and the Free Show last week because he

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was a very dear friend of mine
who died at fifty one suddenly with all

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the claws yet and I watched his
funeral Saturday. You know, people can

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send you the funeral now virtually on
social media. Very moving, very sad.

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I actually I watched it on Sunday
and I didn't have any me to

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do a show that night because it
was just I was too torn up.

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Just the fact that the show of
the show the fact that the service ends

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with people hugging each other and walking
out of this room, and the casket

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gets poult gets wheeled out of the
room and all you left is a camera

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showing you the empty funeral paul a
room with a TV set of Chris's face

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flickering on it. Eventually the TV
gets turned off and it was just too

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hardcore for me to see. That
was a It was a brutal way to

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end it. I could imagine what
Gigi's going through, I think I can.

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I didn't. I didn't know what
it would be like seeing he grie,

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which I did on camera. It
was so awful and hurt, hurtful

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to see that's life. He was
loved. And that's why I didn't do

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a show Sunday night for Monday.
I wanted to recover from watching that.

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But it's because the Chris's wife,
Gigi, that I ever got the role

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in Ransom. And I don't know
if I haven't told that story to you

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guys. I mean, my patrons
have heard this. But Gi used to

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watch me on the Gossip Show way
back in the early nineties on the E

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E channel that was a precursor to
TMZ. Same kind of style show.

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Not really, but there was no
host. The cameras were just zooming on

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us in our offices that we tell
two or three minute stories of gossip.

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Blah blah blah. Different columnists,
different magazine writers, different whatever. It

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was film reviews. An ead that
gossip and was hired by He would be

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on camera for three to four minutes
a day. Then the show ran four

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or five times a day. One
night, Gigi, who was once married

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to the mega producer Brian Grazer,
she said to him, She's looking at

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me, and I think I think
he's got something and you should find a

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spot for him in one of your
movies. That's literally how that whole thing

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happened. Next thing you know,
he's called me up from his car,

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introducing himself. The first time he
called, I hung up. I thought

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it was Chico making making a joke. But then he calls back. He

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says, no, no, this
is really Brian Grayser. I'm calling you

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from California. You know I would
like to have dinner with you. I'm

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a fan of yours. I'm gonna
be in New York next Tuesday. Why

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don't we go out? Said sure, and I'll never forget We met at

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Bowerie Barr meet him and his wife
Gigi at the time, Russell Simmons and

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a girlfriend of his. I forget
who. And the next day he calls

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again and says he's gonna send me
sides to read for a part in the

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movie Ransom with mel Gibson, that
he's about to make a huge moment in

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my life, you know, crazy
and GEEZI told me no. I used

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to look at you and tell Brian
find something for him. Something he's gonna

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you know, he's gonna hit I
over so much. So the sides get

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facts to me. And it was
like the reading for the part of some

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somebody who worked in a delicate Testine
and it was like one line about you

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want lettuce and mayonnaise. Some stupid
I called him right away. I go,

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really, one line as a guy
who works in a Delhi You got

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me reading for Delhi man. He
goes, what, No, No,

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No, that's wrong, that's a
mistake. I'll call the office. I

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want you to read for one of
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kid. All right, that's better. I go in and I read,

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I prepare It was a great part. Well. I was up against Lee

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of Schreiber, up against Ray Donovan
for God's sake, and he rightfully got

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the part. But both Brian Grazer
and Ron Howard, a director, told

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me we're gonna find something for you. You can do this after I read

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and they said, you know what, we'll be in touch with the You

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know you're gonna be in this movie. So I love very happy. Next

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thing, I'm cast. I get
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getting picked up at four thirty in
the morning, along with Lily Taylor,

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Delroy Lindo, Evan Chandler, some
other actors and actresses, and we're gonna

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be set in a story of Queens. Over the Bridge into Queens. And

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you know, Mel Gibson was really
really good to me, bring me into

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his trailer. Have cappuccino was gonna
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And I got to know him here
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which they don't do anymore. But
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stars of the film. You'd always
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just and back then he was as
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So we got along break and I
told you that story about me finding out

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he was sleeping with this Cuban girl, Vivian, that I dated in the

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past. So she calls me from
Mel Gibson's hotel room. This is the

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afternoon after the night I introduced him
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with me that night. Well,
you know, we separated as we normally

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did. We didn't mess around that
night, and she ended up going back

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to Mel's hotel because he flat out
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he mind if I make a move
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no, she's a good friend.
We already had our fund go ahead.

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And then he asked me if she's
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basically meant you know, she didn
have talked to a tabloid, and

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I assured him she's not that kind
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New York City. She knows better
than open amount, so she's not gonna

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tell secrets. Don't worry about it. The next day, she calls me

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in my office from his hotel room
and says, a j there is a

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ton of Papa Rozzi outside the hotel. Somebody must have found out about me

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going home with Mel. I said, okay, well you obviously slept with

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him. She goes, well,
no, I'm just I just we just

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I said, Vivian, you slept
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Mel Gibson and that don't be ridiculous. And she didn't answer. I said,

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listen, let me figure something out
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I called the producer, Joel Silver, who was as big as they get

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back then, big time producer,
and I explain what's happening in Mel's room

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at that moment. Joel Silver initially
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Mellow's so loyal to his wife and
kids, et cetera. I said,

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Joel, Vivian was with me.
I know her. She didn't go home

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with Mel just to talk, all
right, and look at baby pictures.

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Give mccon wake up. Now.
I've been up his ass to get into

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Mel Gibson's next movie conspiracy theory,
mind you. So now I get a

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little bit of power here because he
needs me for a favorite. I tell

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him, if I make this go
away and no one connects Vivian to Mel,

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you gotta put me in conspiracy theory. I ba, I just strong

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on him. He says. He
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press. I said, I'll take
care of it. So I call another

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gossip columns too, with friends of
mine. I told him, Look,

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you might hear a rumor that Mel
Gibson and this Cuban chick had a fling

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last night leaving spy bar. This
paparazzi's all around the hotel he's at.

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Now, do me a favorite.
I'll owe you for this. I'm gonna

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go to the hotel to a back
door. I know the manager, he

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knows what's what. The paparazzi already
lined up to get a shot of her

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coming out, you know. And
the thing is, she's gonna be hand

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in hand with me, and you
can either report that she was with me

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or don't write anything at all.
Remember, I'll owe you you guys like

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okay, you know funny and that
happens with column sometimes she could be friendly

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with each other in trade secrets and
such. So I go to the hotel,

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I slip ball of paparazi from the
back door. I meet her up

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in Mill's hallway and she and I
walk out the front door hand hand and

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his pictures popped on each side of
us. But the pop Rozzi weren't pleased

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that she wasn't with Mel. That
was their money shot. Obviously, even

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her alone could have been a story
as Mel's mystery woman. You know,

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Instead all they got was me holding
her hand. Now they're like, well

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wait a minute. The next day
that other gossip columnists wrote that the pop

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Rozzy would tipped off to the married
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album in the town with mystery woman. But it wasn't what they thought.

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The girls actually aj Benj's girlfriend.
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Now the issue was I already had
a girlfriend, a very jealous Puerto Rican

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girlfriend, and I warned her what's
gonna come out in the paper the next

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day or two, and she was
rightfully pissed off. But I had to

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do what I had to do.
And you know, it took a lot

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of arguing and prodding, but she
eventually understood. But that was a tough

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night. Joel Silver and Mel were
very grateful. A couple of nights later,

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I was a spy bar again.
Mel's there, Joel Silver. I

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had to get Joel Silver in They
didn't believe he wasn't important enough. I

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guess because he's like a chubby,
gay producer, balding or actually bold,

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and that's not the kind of person
they wanted to look for the club.

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But I had to go outside of
old guys. This is Joel Silver,

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the big producer led him in,
so he's very happy about that. Vivian

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was nowhere around and Mel was in
the clear. That's when he told me

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they had a part from me,
a conspiracy theory, and I winked to

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Joel Silver and he kind of strugged
us at to say I did my part,

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and he did. Of course.
That part was me as a security

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guard having to fight with Mel inside
a Barnes and Noble store as he's trying

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to steal the book catcher in the
Rye, who was three nights of work.

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I had a nice trailer outside the
shoot on Union Square, right next

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to one of the very first restaurants
I could get into with relative ease,

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even right before I became a full
time gossip palumnist. As I was helping

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out it inside Newsday and just finding
hindems anywhere, the Coffee Shot was a

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really hot spot. Yeah, she
could have breakfast and dinner there at the

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same you know, different hours didn't
matter. He breakfast all day, dinner

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all day. People and more importantly, beautiful young models weren't there and hung

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out there. It was near all
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it was insane. So I would
go there all the time I was freshly

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divorced. I would drive there and
literally, like nurse, two drinks for

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like four and a half hours.
I was just trying to get delayed the

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land, making connections, always on
the lookout for pretty city girl. And

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back then this plan I had was, Okay, I want some divorced,

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I can go move with New York
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and then I'll eventually get into movies. I just felt it in my

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bones. I told my roommates that, I told Chico, I told Johnny

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Diaz, who lived with me.
Everybody around me knew that was my plan.

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Some of them thought I was crazy, that you can't just make that

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happen, like I know, I'm
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Two years go by, and there
I was. I had my gossip

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drop, and then New York Daily
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making a movie with movie stars like
Mel Gibson and Julia Robins. It was

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surreal. Anyhow, a lot of
time has passed since then. Last time

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I saw Mel was like twenty years
ago. And so it was the night

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some girl drugged my drink and I
remember going outside. I had to go

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outside and call my buddy Tony to
come pick me up. I couldn't drive,

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I was passing out, and Jeff
Goldbloom and Mel Gibson helped me down

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the stairs and took me outside the
Sagard Bar in Beverly Hills and waited till

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Tony came to pick me up.
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saying to me was I'm glad you're
done with that writing gossip. It was

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too good for that shit. Anyway
I want, I couldn't speak. I

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wanted to go. Really, I
bet I wasn't too good for it when

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I was saving your ass through the
column, right, you know. But

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yeah, that's the way things went
back then, Long before he used the

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phrase sugar tits, he was being
a bad boy. Sorry to take a

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long trip down memory lane, but
sometimes what I gotta do and then there's

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a story that made the rounds the
other day that I can completely believe in,

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because there's something about old men in
journalism that women should be fearful of,

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or at least we're fearful of,
and maybe they should continue to be

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fearful of. And that's old men
in journalism for some reason. Maybe he's

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old older men in general, men
with money, men with stature, think

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they can go after younger women just
because they've got money. It's like,

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I know what I look like at
sixty and one is not like what I

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looked at thirty five. I completely
see a difference in me. A lot

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of me is the same, but
visually physically I look different, not as

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handsome, not as thin, not
TV ready, if you want to say

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that, but you look at like
Charlie Rose and less moved it. These

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are very rich, wealthy men who
would make it very clearly we're trying to

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pick up an actress or an interview
subject. And apparently that's what Mike Wallace,

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the old sixty minutes journalist, was
trying to do with the Tina Turner

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when he interviewed for I think back
in ninety six, so maybe maybe two

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thousand Anyhow, Mike Wallace interviewed tea
In Turner for sixteen minutes, and he

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made a lot of apparently a lot
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Some former CBS employee named Leslie Moulson, who worked there from ninety six to

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two thousand and four. She went
on Twitter to tell her thousands of followers

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that she saw unreleased footage all of
an interview Mike Wallace conducted with Tina Turner,

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which she abruptly halted the show.
Tina Turney said, no inappropriate behavior.

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You know, she didn't work it
that way, but she was like

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wood. So this former employee,
Leslie Molson, says one assignment she had

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in sixteen minutes was to watch old, raw, unedited interview footage. For

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some reason she can't recall. That
doesn't seem right to me. All right,

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you know, she's making a I'm
sure this happened, but whatever she

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went on to say has been viewed
more than six hundred and fifty thousand tons.

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So she goes, I watched the
royal footage of the nineteen ninety six

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Wallace interview with Tina Turner and he
interviews her at her estate in Nice France,

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and it starts in the usual way
with b roll of them walking up

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the grounds of the house. Then
they're sitting across from each other in a

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sitting room and out of the gate. Immediately Mike Rowles begins to leer at

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her and tell her how sexy she
is. And as they talk, Molson

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says, Wallace had a confident smirk
on his face and what on about their

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performances, how sexual they are,
why are they so sexual? How sexual

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is she? And all that kind
of stuff. Tina looked at the camera's

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mind. The word cut and the
footage ends abruptly, and the final interview

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that went to air, they looked
to get on well. So CBS even

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re shared to sit down following Tina's
death the other day. And obviously Tina

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Turner didn't hold any kind of grudge
because she went on CBS for many years

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afterwards. She even did an interview
with Gale King in twenty eighteen, so

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she held no grudge. But this
employee of former employee Molson says that cameras

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resumed filming after Tina seemingly chided Wallace
for the unwanted questions and remarks, and

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when filming resumes, Mike is profusely
apologizing to her with this cheapest, cheapish

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serious look on his face, and
is promising to stick to questions about her

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career. So Molson says, it's
obvious that Tina gave Neil what for when

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the camera stopped, and it was
glorious because a few people had done that

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to Mike, and it was glorious. Clearly, this former employee has a

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grudge against Mike Wallace, but she
worked with him. I didn't, but

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she was very happy and saying it
was great to see Tina call him out

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like that. But to think that
she had to deal with that shit from

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an overpaid, predatory former game show
host, despite her being one of the

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most brilliant talents of the twentieth century
is appalling. Yeah, I look figured

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about former game show host. Mike
Wallace established himself as a goddamn great journalist,

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so let's not go back to one
of his earlier jobs. That's ridiculous.

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Molson continues and says the interview as
it aired is bad enough. Actually,

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Mike Wallace belittlety and turn his talent
and also thought nothing of treating him

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a zero respect until she threatened to
kick him out of her house. Wallace

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was an asshole of the highest order. I can see him being an asshole.

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Sure he died back in twenty twelve. He worked for sixteen minutes from

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nineteen sixty nine and twenty oh six. Let's face it, like I said,

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considered one of the America's most legendary
news reporters. But he did admit

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to something in an All interview that
he used to put his hands on the

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backs of his female CBS News coworkers, and he would unsnap the class in

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their bras, on their bras during
the seventies and eighties. Meanwhile, another

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producer named Ira Rosen, who's been
there long ast time, he wrote in

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that big book about sixty minutes back
in twenty twenty one. Wallace regularly peppered

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colleagues with questions about their sex lives. He lashed out of them for no

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good reason. He grabbed the bottoms
and breasts of women who worked there,

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pulled him on his laps, snapped
the bras. Cheez. We used to

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snap girls bras in junior high school. I mean, I know that was

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bad enough, but to do it
as an adult, so now it's like

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rewind the clock and canceled Mike Wallace
because there was a sit down interview with

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Barbra streisand he did apparently pushed her
to tears, probing her about her painful

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memories from her childhood. The one
thing I don't like about this story,

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well, there's a few things.
I don't like that this girl doesn't remember

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why she was assigned to view the
old tapes, but remembers everything else.

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Dude, that's always a that's a
that bothers me. You gotta come up

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with something better than that. I
think she wanted to hunt. I think

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this girl never liked Wallace and thinking, you know, I don't even go

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after him. I'm want to bring
on that old tape up and get along

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Twitter, get my name out there
again, let people know that I'm a

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real female warrior. I'm not saying
what Mike Wallace did, but Tina Turner

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was admirable or even nice. But
you know, it's again, it's like

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throwback character assassination. Mike's gone,
he can't comment, Tina's gone, she

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can't comment. Obviously it was inappropriate
what he clearly might have said or did,

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but he was attracted to the lady, and he took a shot.

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You know, no one got hurt, no one, no foul, she

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said, ill no. And you
know, guys back then could make a

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pass and hope for the best.
Times have changed now, but these progressives

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have to relax, put away your
fainting couches, and leave the man and

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the Great Lady in peace. But
I will say this, I've often wondered

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where his son, Chris Wallace gets
that move that fuck face about him when

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he interviews like he knows it all. Have you watched by a look who's

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talking to Chris Wallace? His new
show on CNN's not new anymore. But

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can someone let me know if they
find anyone to actually talk to him.

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I never catched the show. I
don't know who's sat down on him yet,

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but I find him he so phony
and fake and one sided. But

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obviously he must get that from his
dad's ways with women. I think I

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don't know how he learned from his
knee. One good thing that I've learned

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about that episode was that I wasn't
sure about this. Bettina Turner and Jeff

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Beck both had Lords of London policies. Tina had a legs insured obviously,

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and Jeff had his hands. In
short that turned up from that sixteen minutes

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piece. But getting back to old
men, old men with money. Oh,

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I know a woman who was a
beautiful woman who met bumped into Charlie

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Rose quite a few times because he
lived in the same street. And one

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day, you know, he tells
her, I got a little kitchen.

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They finally o my kitchen. I
can't wait to have a first meal there.

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We reminded the whole thing. It's
beautiful. I spent I don't know

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much four hundred thousand dollars in the
kitchen. Let me show it to you.

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And she went and he made a
move on her, and I said,

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why did you fucking go? Who
cares about Mike Balls his kitchen?

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I mean, not Mike Bass,
who cares about what's his name's picture?

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Don't you know? Charlie Rose gets
your up in his apartment, which is

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huge, stuck. Don't be alone
with guys like that. And she's like,

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I know I shouldn't have done it, but he made him put his

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hand on my leg and I let
him. No. No, I don't

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know why old men with money and
big jobs think that that's all, that's

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all they have to do. This
just show up, put their hand on

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a girl's body, and they'll go
home with them. I don't know what

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they think. It's very arrogant.
I can understand why women want to scream

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or you know, stick a pen
in their eyes because a lot of those

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old men who got washed away in
twenty seventeen had bad ways about them.

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I mean, I would stick up
for a lot of them back in the

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day. But you gotta go back
in time and really listen to these stories.

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Some of the things they did,
literally chasing secretaries around desks, you

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know, harding women in closets because
somebody came in during a meeting and you

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can't be here. I mean,
women would just treated like if you listen

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to females who worked in journalism or
in film sets or movie studios in their

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twenties and thirties, when they were
really at their most beautiful and youthful,

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they men were after them constantly.
I'm sure it's to like that, but

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it got so out of hand.
There had to be some kind of reckoning,

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and boy came in twenty seventeen.
It got a lot of hand.

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But I think the pendulum had to
spring really wide that way and cast a

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big net because there are a lot
of guys going around snapping broas drafts and

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doing stupid shit to grown women and
just believing they could easily pick them off

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and take them on because they were
rich and had some gravitas and were famous.

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That bothers me. But if you're
a woman, don't go to the

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fucking guy's house to see his new
kitchen. No, it's a kitchen,

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it's got a sink and other filled
cares. O Christ, would you do

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with a stranger? No? I
don't know anyhow, Guys, I hope

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you're enjoying your mortal day, barbecue, pool party, whatever it is should

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do. But I'm here for another
few days. I'm headed to Chicago on

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Thursday to be with the family for
my nephew Jackie celebration of life, and

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I would imagine the free show next
week will be either Monday or Tuesday,

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because Sunday is going to be an
all day affair with about forty people there

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that's gonna end late, so I'll
probably it's gonna start earlier than late,

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so I'll probably put the show out
a free show out Tuesday. Just know

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that ahead of time so you don't
panic when you don't see it. At

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least I told you so right here
on this show. That's it today,

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Have a great holiday. It always
feels weird saying I have a great holiday

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when it's about dead soldiers. I
don't think happy Memorial Day is a good

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thing to say. But honor those
who've obviously died during the military service protecting

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US people who do silly things while
they rich their lives every day. That's

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it. Have a great rest of
your holiday, weekend, whatever you want

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00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.320
to call it, three day bender, whatever you guys did. I'm a

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j Benso that was Fame is a
bit. Go to patron dot com slash.

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I'm sorry, I go to patron
dot com slash. Fame is a

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bitch to become a patron for five
bucks a month where I get more exclusive

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00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:15.239
content such as my Jamie Fox story
that I broke that no one else in

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the country has, at least no
one said it yet, And you'd like

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to hear what it is exactly he's
suffering from, even though it's a sad's

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head story. All Ranny, I'll
see on the other side, Thank you

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for listening. Fame as a bitch
is an AJ Benza workhouse connect production featuring

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the endless wisdom, insightful commentary,
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Benza. Executive producer Mike Agavino

