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Severe and Victor Noon you got is
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Jesse Severe from fan Tracks and over
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in the world, the most dedicated, the most absolutely committed forty nine Ers

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fan in the world is Victor Nunio
of EP Rings side Victor, how you

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doing, I'm doing great. Yeah, you all have to deal with the

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forty nine Ers fandom for one more
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won, and it was actually it
was pretty tenuous most of that game,

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and unfortunately I had to watch on
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Was directing a conference on Sunday,
so I had to go over there,

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and my poor wife, We're driving, it's rainy, it's dark,

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and I'm like watching on this little
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a yeah, oh, and she's
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getting you were driving the car,
Victor, No, No, she was

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driving. I was watching. Oh
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why God created Radio Victors so that
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the car. But okay, no, no, you got to be able

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to watch it. I will release
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We're gonna release this before any disappointment
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we'll see which of the two it
is. I'm gonna be like the Homer

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Simpson, fading with my forty nine
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with I don't know what I'm gonna
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question. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it'll be a bit on the Giants.

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It'll be a bit on the Giant
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you never know. Those guys are
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important things to talk about today,
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it's nice to be able to do
that good stuff. Victor. That is

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going to get a setup to get
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take a brief break and then on
the other side it's going to be you

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and me some more, but on
something different, Victor, we are once

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again looking at some of the players
you have dived deeply into in the recent

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path for ep rnkside, where you
write articles, but they're behind a paywall

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and before people or maybe some people
have already gone back there and read them.

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Maybe some people need to subscribe to
that. I'm not chilling pre ep

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rnkside here, but regardless, we
can talk about some of these players that

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you've been writing about recently because you've
had interesting insights to provide. The first

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one, Victor Quentin Musty, one
of San Jose's first round picks last year.

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Musty was excellent last year but is
in beast mode this year. Six

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' two left winger pushing two points
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Sudbury Wolves. Only Easton Cowen is
averaging more than Quentin Musty is in terms

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of point per game in the OHL. He is in a decent situation in

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Sudbury. Dellabar Divorski and David Gayette
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on that team. It's a decent
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scored more goals in the OHL.
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doesn't have something to say about what
is going on there. Quentin Musky,

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Quentin Musty of the San Jose Sharks
prospect system, what do you think of

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this guy? And is this really
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Yeah, he's a really exciting prospect
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He famously did not get invited to
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lot of people think that's because he's
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USNTDP guys, and I think,
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that, it's pretty clear that might
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he's I'll show you guys and he's
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up a ton of points. Pretty
much any model you look at which I

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go through in the article, he
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whether it's Mason Black's pnhl E,
he pretty much looks like a superstar

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first line type player. Even the
top down hockey model, which is notoriously

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conservative for players. He ends up
being one of the top players in this

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data set. He's the twelve,
so that's pretty fantastic and pretty much any

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way you exliceaid, he looks really
good, except there's a couple of interesting

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things like his Mitch just recently published
his twenty twenty three twenty four tracking data

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and what's interesting. A couple things
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Musty, he shows out amazingly offensively. His expected goals and assists legit dual

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threat are both like off the charts. He looks incredible. He's not like

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the biggest volume shooter, and that
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playmaking ability. He's not always looking
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make the best pass and set up
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ton his transition game is really good, but some of his defensive metrics don't

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look that good. But when you
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he's really not an offensive zone retrieval
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dump and chase kind of guy,
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watch him play, he's all about
getting in the zone, like he likes

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getting the puck in, passing it
in. But he's not someone who's he's

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not the fastest guy, so he's
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in and going and getting it.
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look poor. But I'm not sure
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good at picking players pockets, being
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So I think some of those defensive
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I've found something else out Jesse.
When I was prepping for this episode,

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I did not realize that my ep
ring site colleague and previous guests on this

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show, Chase McCollum, has a
really cool site that actually compares and plots

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out players development. So I put
some of these in the notes for all

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the patrons. That's another plug you
can look at these. It's really cool.

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And Quinn Musty in this model too, looks like a first line player

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and has been basically his entire trajectory, which I think is another important thing

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that not all models look at.
I know Mason's is really good at this,

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but it's nice to be able to
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if someone is a first line player
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the last two years. That huge
spike is sometimes a little hard to believe.

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But in Musty's case, it looks
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And I know when we talked to
Lauren Kelly of Eperring Side, and

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she's the Ohl scout, she basically
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because it's just sky high. So, yeah, he's great. You can't

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really go wrong if you have him, because he's gonna he's pretty much gonna

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be I think, a top of
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line, he'll certainly be a top
sixer. Yeah, this is a new

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database that you've pulled into the show
notes and fascinating stuff. Yeah, he's

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definitely on the trajector or you want
right now. We engaged our friend Mason

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Black, the NHL rankking on X
to put out a poll to see what

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people thought. Quentin Muskie was not
against. He was not against my off

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victory. He was against eure Off
Danilla. You're off, to be specific,

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blast from the past, one of
my boys, and You're Off rather

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handily outperformed Quentin Musty in this poll, fifty eight to forty two. That's

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interesting. Is that a product of
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prior to this, maybe a little
more draft stock or are people right that

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You're Off is still a better prospect
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maybe it's hard to compare the leagues, right, So you're Off playing in

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the KHL, I think is going
to be super impressive. He's right now

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showing out really well for Metallurg magnetig
Orsk in the KHL forty two points fifty

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one games. You're Off is now
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he's still pretty young. He's producing
in a really tough league. You love

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to see that. He played fifty
nine games last season in the KHL but

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didn't score a ton, just twelve
points. I know when we had Chased

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on we talked about the low games
played. That's always something to keep in

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mind. That's not like super low, but it's certainly lower than the OHL.

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And then you look over at Musty's
games played and they play a few

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more, and so that can sometimes
skew your data a little bit. But

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the KHL started their season so much
earlier that they're already ahead in terms of

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games played. So I think the
league is part of it. And we

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did talk about how difficult the league
is, which the KHL has been getting

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easier, but it's certainly a higher
equivalency league than the OHL. One of

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the things that's interesting about this,
and I don't know that I would necessarily

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just pick You're off absolutely, is
that when you look at the trend on

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Chase's site, You're off was basically
looked really good early on when he was

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playing in the NHL, and then
the last two seasons he's dipped below a

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third line potential, and then this
season skyrocketed back up to above a first

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line potential. This is one of
those cases, like I was saying,

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what do you believe? Do you
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the last couple of seasons did that
play into it at all or was it

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just bad luck? So I like
the Musty has and you can see this

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also in Mason's pnhlege Grafts. Musty
has been pretty consistently high throughout, whereas

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you'rerov was much lower and is now
jumping up to be much higher. I

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think it's much closer than this.
I really like Musty, and I think

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he demands first line attention. I'm
not one hundred percent sold on you're off

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on that. I think he's clearly
a talented player, and I think that

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in that Minnesota system he is probably
going to play in the top six,

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but he might be more of a
middle six guy, and they have some

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other pretty good options there. I
don't think anyone is taking the left wing

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spot away from Quinn Musty, unless
it's William Ecklin, but I think that

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they could probably move one to the
other side. They don't have a plethora

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of options there in Santa die at
least right now, that are better,

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so I think that probably factors into
it a little bit. The hockey prospecting

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looks pretty similar for these guys,
so I don't know that I agree with

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the poll. I think that it
makes sense based on where your off is

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playing, but I think it's probably
a coin flip and the reality is that

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you're probably good either way. But
I personally would take Musty Jesse, which

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probably does not surprise you. Yeah, I no, it doesn't. I

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know you've been high on Musty.
You're off. Of course, you just

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have the question about coming over.
Minnesota has had some success with that,

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but you just never know, so
that is quite the comparison. Let's move

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on to the second of three we're
going to talk about today. Jagger Furcus.

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You wrote about him, our guy
from the WHL. We've talked about

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him a lot over the years,
especially in his draft year and the Seattle

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right winger. Fercus has taken it
up another level over two points per game

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in the WHL eighty one points and
thirty nine games at last check, which

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is a big step over his past
two years. Eighty one points is five

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more points than the second place team, the second place in the WHL.

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That's crazy. Some say he was
this and not being part of the U

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twenty team, Canada a little bit
more scoring there. Again, Canada seems

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to have been looking for a little
more size. He used to be five

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to ten, but Victory we always
that was the whole thing in his draft

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year is he was too small,
and that's why he had to be pushed

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down right into the second round by
Seattle and everybody's out. He's just a

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little bit small. Now he's five
to eleven, Victor, I think the

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questions are over. I think he's
talling up now. He's going to be

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fine at five to eleven. I'm
being a little sarcastic. The whole thing

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in my recollection in this draft year, the reason he was being pushed down

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was that maybe that could change a
little bit. Now, what do you

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think of Fercus' progress and where he
is now? Yeah, he's still a

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little bit undersized, for sure,
but he has shown really tremendous growth in

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a lot of areas of his game. He's still he had one of the

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best shots that in his draft class, and his shot continues to be a

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really strong weapon for him. He's
able to get it off in a lot

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of different ways and different body positions
in stride. That's all really good,

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but I think he still needs to
show more growth in other areas in particular,

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he gets dominated physically still in the
WHL, and he needs to be

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able to show that he can leverage
his strengths to get around that a little

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bit better. Next season when he
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going to be huge because that's going
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competition. I think the question with
him is all about how does he what

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does he do away from the puck, and does he can he become more

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of a dual threat because if he's
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a shot, that's pretty easy to
defend against. So he needs to be

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a little bit more dynamic and a
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which I think he can do.
He just needs to. He just needs

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to work and show that out a
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if I go through the article,
the progression that you can see,

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especially in Mitch's charts, from a
pretty unidimensional player to a really much more

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well rounded player is pretty nice to
see, pretty reassuring. In particular,

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some of his defensive metrics and impact
on the game are all really good,

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and Mitch has some very specific things
of what he can do and what to

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watch for in terms of what he's
doing to see if he's making that next

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jump. So there's some there's still
some potential there. But I think part

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of the worry with Purkos is that, especially in Seattle, they have a

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lot of guys that they just treat
as part of the bunch, no one

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that they like to feature, and
I think he might just fall into that,

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which is unfortunate. But we'll see
if he can be more of a

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playmaker, be more translate those skills
a little bit more chase. His model

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has him at right in between a
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been there pretty much throughout his development, which is interesting to see. So

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that's basically where Fercus is. He
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he has to show more. And
this unfortunately because of his birthday he's a

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late April birthday, he couldn't be
in the AHL already. But that's really

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where he needs to be. He
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the next level and then we can
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and what his potential is. Man, I get it, I get what

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you're saying, but like he's running
up the score like a video game victor

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I don't understand. Yeah, I
guess, so we need to look a

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little bit beyond the service numbers.
But Fercus is been looking pretty darn good

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out there. Now we're going to
put him up against competition in the Mason

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Blackpole Jaeger Fercus versus eat Zack Rosen
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and Furcus comes out with a smashing
win seventy two to twenty eight percent,

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very decisive victor. Is that an
accurate result of these two gentlemen, Yeah,

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I think so. I would definitely
rather have focus here. As much

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as I said, he has room
to grow. Like you said, he

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has shown a ton of scoring and
potential at the WHL level, and I

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think he is a better beat to
be an impact player. His hockey prospecting

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is actually even though all of this
still only at twelve percent, so you

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know, that's not a very high
percentage in terms of being a star.

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But Rosenne has basically been zero the
last three years. So it's been tough

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for Rosanne. He's been playing at
professionally for a very long time as a

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young player, and so basically always
playing against much bigger, stronger, older

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competition and he's a pretty undersized guy
too. In fact, there was a

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really interesting story I think it was
on EP Ringside about him and what he's

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had to endure in Buffalo since coming
over from Sweden and playing in the AHL

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and just adapting to what's been going
on while they played in Rochester but still

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in New York. So it's been
a really tough adjustment for him for the

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last couple of seasons. But he
is looking a lot better now, and

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in fact, in Mason's data,
he looks much more like a top six

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player. He looks like a kind
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So kudos for Rosenne, but I
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clearly, and I'm not necessarily factoring
this in, but the Buffalo top six

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just looks so crowded, and I
don't think he's a player that demands top

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six time. I think that his
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he's not going to be able to
demand with his dynamic skill that he needs

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to be a top sixers. He
could be a more nice, depth scoring

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type of role on a good team, So that's more what I would expect

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from ros En. He's looking more
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someone that you want to be super
excited about in fantasy. But while you

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flex him up and down from your
miners, he should be somewhat interesting.

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I just don't know that he's going
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would definitely take Burcas here. But
I would be like, if you find

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someone who likes Fercus as much as
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say trade trade him to that person, because you might get a little bit

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more for whatever, for what you
think he's worth, don't trade him to

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someone like me who's a little bit
more skeptical. I believe I drafted him

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in one or two places. We
had him on our common team and traded

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him away somewhere, so we both
got experienced rostering this guy. But yeah,

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it's a slow burn and we'll see
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But good to know that is an
accurate representation the people have spoken in

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this time, they speak correctly.
Next, we're going to talk about Hunter

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Bristevitch Bristell Wits and you wrote about
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This guy a twenty twenty three third
round pick just last year a third round

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pick, but now he is shooting
up the rankings. He is all the

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buzz, and he's stepped up his
scoring for Kitchener this year sixty nine points

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in forty five games for a d
man, leading the team, and Kitchener

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is second in the overall OHL standings. He's doing what he's supposed to be

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doing there and then some he's hotter
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is basically the man victor and he
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We've been talking about him lately and
how much buzz he's getting from Vancouver

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fans. Of course, a strongly
performing prospect in that system is always going

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to have a little bit of extra
juice in your fantasy league. But what

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do you think is this the real
thing? I think that the fact that

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they got him as a third rounder
is incredible value, and that's an unmistakable

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hit. I think he's he clearly
is looking more and more like he's going

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to be in NHL R. So
you love to see that. In terms

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of like how real is all of
this, I'm not so sure about all

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that because he said they are.
Kitchener is absolutely running over teams and so

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some of this is probably inflated,
I would say, but he is a

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really good player. He's really confident, and it looks like an amazing junior

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player. I think the question is
how sustainable is this and how scalable is

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this? To the NHHL that those
are the two questions, and I'm not

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sure that the answer is yes to
either of those questions. I think he's

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probably going to trail off a little
bit. He also was snubbed from the

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US national team selection camp, and
it's really sad too, because this was

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his only shot at it, because
he's an older birth date, and there's

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not much more he could have done. As you said, leaning the team

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as a defenseman. In scoring,
he's just been incredible. He's really confident

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with a puck. He tries a
lot of things. I think he's a

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he's really looking good out there.
He has some deficiencies. Obviously, he's

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not the best defensively, but he's
not like a train wreck or anything.

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He just has a little bit of
work to do. And because he's not

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I wouldn't say he's like terribly undersized, but he's not the biggest guy and

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he's not the most dynamic skater,
but he's pretty good at you know,

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at all that he just has to
learn how to be more of an all

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around guy and not just all offense, which might be a little bit challenging

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in the EHL since that's what he's
been pigeonholed as. But if you look

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at most of the models really like
him. The in his PNHL looks like

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ridiculous. It's like at a one
hundred right in townel that's not going to

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sustain. He's really bumped up his
star potential on hockey prospecting. He more

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than doubled it in his D plus
one season, which has been heard of

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that almost never happens. You know, that's impressive when that happens. The

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j Fresh top down hockey model is
pretty lukewarm on him, just five percent

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chance of being a star. But
this Chase McCollum data has him actually,

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it was pretty high on him last
year, had him above a top pairing

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type of player, and he's increased
that he and more. He's like breaking

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the graph in terms of how high
his equivalence he is. I think that

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the question the questions are like,
you know, is he the type of

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defenseman that demands top power play time
at the NHL level and the way that

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he goes about producing his points.
The answer is probably not. Because he's

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really good in transition. He's really
good at finding some of those teams.

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He doesn't have the biggest shot,
but a lot of it is like his

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really good deception when he has time
and space to really undress opponents and to

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pick the best play. But when
that gets squeezed down, he's not as

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good at it. So that's going
to continue to happen as he rises in

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the levels HL NHL. He's gonna
have less time, he's gonna have less

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space. Players are gonna be bigger
and faster. So is he going to

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continue to be able to leverage the
skills he has against that? I'm not

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so sure. So I'm yeah,
I'm a little skeptical. And we can

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advise what to do after we read
the pole Jesse because we have one of

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those. Right, Oh my goodness, do we ever against Ryan Uko,

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who I happened to know. Victor
is a guy you like quite a bit,

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and he was drafted two years earlier
in the fourth round of twenty twenty

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one by the Nashville Predators, and
we put off go up against the Bruce

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Davits and Hunter destroyed Ryan here Ryan
Uko only acquiring twenty seven percent of the

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vote, just completely smashed in this
competition. Is that a fair outcome between

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these two guys, Victor? Yeah? I think so. Ufko had a

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really great It's been having a really
great college career, and I think last

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World Juniors was his coming out part. I think not a lot of people

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knew about Ufco, and he was
great for USA in a more depth middle

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role for that team. That was
the Luke Hughes Show and that was appropriate.

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But Co was really good with nine
assists and one goal in seven games.

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That's pretty great production all that.
I think quite a few of them

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came in that crazy bronze medal game
against Sweden, but still he was really

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good the whole tournament, and at
UMass he's been pretty great as well.

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Last season. He had twenty four
points in thirty two games this season up

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to nineteen and twenty two, so
he's producing really well in college. He's

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a really late birthday May seventh.
He's pretty much always been younger, much

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younger than everybody, which is the
reason he couldn't be in the HL this

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season. So it'll be interesting to
see how he transitions. I think that

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he's pretty close to being nhlready,
So in terms of like closeness you like,

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I think that if you're a team
who's ready to compete, you might

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be more interested in having Ufko on
your team. But I think that in

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terms of the poll, yeah,
I would definitely take Hunter. For one

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thing, he plays for a team
with a rabbit fan base, so you're

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more likely to be able to trade
him for more than he's worth, which

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is always something that I think you
should consider because Vancouver fans are very passionate,

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and I do think that he's right
now looks like pretty fantast in terms

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of what he's doing. So I
think that Bruce Evics he's not as far

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down the funnel. So if you
want to just consider what is the ultimate

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upside of these two players right now, I think Brustevks is higher just because

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he's not as far down the funnel, His equivalencies look higher. He looks

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better at this stage, although look
pretty great at this stage too. Maybe

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he didn't get as much fanfare,
but yeah, I think that I would

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take Brusteviks. But I think the
bottom line here, though, Jesse,

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is that if you can find someone
who thinks that Bruce Eviks is the next

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coming of When Hughes, which he's
not, then I would definitely trade him

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to that person because if you can
get a really high upside or at least

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a super high floor guy, then
that might be worth it. Because you're

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talking here with brustevis about at least
this year in the OHL and next year

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he could be in the AHL.
But he's probably got two or three years

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until he's making an impact on the
NHL team. And I don't like to

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think about this too much in terms
of in terms of who's there on the

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team when he gets there. Quinn
Hughes is there, Quinn Hughes isn't going

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anywhere. But it's still something to
think about in terms of how good can

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Hunter be in terms of what's going
on at the NHL level. He's not

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going to displace for sure, top
power play quarterback guy, so he might

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end just being a second fiddle kind
of guy, which is a little bit

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concerning. Yes, that is a
interesting case. We will see if Hunter

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is somebody you were able to cash
out in leagues where you happen to get

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him before the price went sky high. Victor, those are the three guys

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from up Brinks side that we're going
to cover today. You've got some great

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content there. People should keep going
in and checking out. But right now,

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attention on deck. It's your admiral
right after this all right, welcome

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back everyone. I hope you enjoyed
our ex gamers segment. We talked about

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some interesting players, but we have
some more really interesting players to talk about

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and to set up who we want
to talk about, We're going to talk

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about some Tidy trades and to do
our Tidy take segments, we have to

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bring in our tidy Admiral Ryan,
how are you doing, Buddy Attenchent?

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Just trying to play on what Jesse
left us with when he hopped off there

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and carry that a little bit forward
here as we discuss a couple of really

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interesting trades that happened in the Tidy. But before we talk about those trades,

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Victor, I want to just get
your thoughts on what was an exciting

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couple of weeks in the Tidy perhaps
some of the most explosive trades in our

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top division in Lord Stanley. And
we have our newest manager in the Tidy

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Lord Stanley Division to thank for that. Unfortunately, we had a manager that

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needed to step away, and we
undertook a evaluation of who some of the

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better managers were from last season from
a points four standpoint, and so we

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elevated a manager from Tier two to
Tier one to take over this team which

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400
was in last place. This manager
is our friend Tim. Some of you

406
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240
may know him as the manager of
al Aya Frady's Broken Flow, which is

407
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:23,160
an excellent team name. And so
yeah, Tim was very busy over the

408
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,640
past couple weeks making a couple of
trades. A couple is maybe being a

409
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,680
bit generous, but certainly a lot
of player movement in Tidy's Lord Stanley Division.

410
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,559
Victor, what did you make of
all the excitement the past couple weeks.

411
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,559
I thought it was pretty awesome,
And yeah, I agree like you

412
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,640
said it, and we talked about
it at the time behind the scenes.

413
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,640
I don't think it's something that you
can for the top division. You can't

414
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,640
just bring anybody in. It has
to be somewhat earned. And I love

415
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:55,880
that we found someone who had a
ton of points and basically could have earned

416
00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:00,000
promotion previously. And I also we
talked to him and gave him the school

417
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,720
and said this is going to be
tough, like this team is close to

418
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,759
being relegated. He was a top
team in my division in Gretzky and might

419
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:14,359
have earned promotion on his own,
but I think he was gonna move up,

420
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,160
So you know, this was a
big decision for him to make,

421
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,759
to say, Okay, do I
give up my carefully crafted team over two

422
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,799
years to take on a bottom feeder
in Lord Stanley. And to be fair,

423
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,559
the previous manager may not have had
as much time. It certainly wasn't

424
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:33,079
a one to ten quality team,
but it's just lack of time to manage

425
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,039
the team. So he did have
some pieces to start with. But you're,

426
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,720
like you said, you're giving up
a team that you have carefully manicured

427
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,680
to the point of being a top
team in the division and then you have

428
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,960
to come over and take over and
turn around this team. So just a

429
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,240
huge, huge undertaking for him,
and we're so grateful that he did that.

430
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Yeah, he definitely he was at
the top of the division, but

431
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,720
the points for wasn't the highest,
so it would have been close. I

432
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,160
think that there's a pretty good chance
he would have won, or he would

433
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,240
have made a really good chance.
So he went from that to trying to

434
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,759
save himself from relegation, because the
way it works in the top division is

435
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:15,119
the bottom four teams play each other
in a round robin, and the top

436
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,200
team staves off relegation, the other
three all go down, and he's gonna

437
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,640
be in that relegation Brackett almost for
sure based on where the team that he

438
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,000
took over is right now. But
he made a ton of moves and I

439
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:30,720
can't wait to fully dissect all of
them. They're still ongoing. So I

440
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,880
love the fact that he was game
to do this. Not a lot of

441
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,920
managers would have. I'm not sure
that I would have because it's a large

442
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,200
undertaking, but we really appreciate him
doing it. Yeah, and Victor,

443
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,400
we're gonna be inviting Tim onto the
podcast once we get into the Fantasy playoffs.

444
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,559
We're gonna let the trade deadline happen, catch up on some of the

445
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:53,400
backlog of trades and interesting stories.
But once the playoffs are well in hand,

446
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,319
we're gonna invite Tim on and we're
gonna have a round table discussion about

447
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:02,119
his team, and just to give
people an idea of the scope of the

448
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,240
player movement for Tim's team, since
he took over near the middle of January.

449
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:13,279
Seven of the last eight trades in
the Tidy Lord's Danley Division are because

450
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,440
of Tim, and one features yours. Truly, we won't talk any more

451
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,839
about it right now, but I'm
looking forward to talking with Tim about our

452
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,720
trade that I think will work out
for both sides. But that's enough talking

453
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,160
talking about Tim for now. We'll
have plenty of time to talk with him

454
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,640
in the future. It's time to
talk about some other trades that happened in

455
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,839
the Tier Dynasty League this week.
And we're going to talk about two deals

456
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,920
and then that may not sound like
a lot, and it's not, but

457
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:44,559
when those two deals have six and
seven moving pieces at once, then it

458
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,319
becomes a lot to talk about,
and a lot of really exciting young players

459
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,799
and prospects are moving in these two
deals as well. We're going to talk

460
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,680
about a deal featuring hunter Bruce Stavitch, who we just talked about, or

461
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,960
I should say that you and Jesse
just talked about in the X Gamers SEGM,

462
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,119
and we'll have a deal that features
him among other players. And we

463
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,200
also have, excitingly enough, the
first trade in our Tidy Lidstrom division.

464
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,759
Now there have been two or three
at the time of this recording since then,

465
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,039
but the first deal in Tidy Lidstrom, and our one hundred percent listeners

466
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:22,599
who have listened to every segment of
the Tidy Takes will remember that we have

467
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,319
been lamenting the fact that Lidstrom and
Lord Stanley didn't have a whole lot of

468
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,359
player movement, didn't have a whole
lot of trades as people were still trying

469
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,039
to get to know their teams.
And so finally we do have a deal

470
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,039
from Tidy Lidstrom to discuss, which
we will talk about after that, but

471
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,039
first we'll start with this Hunter Brustevitch
deal. Again, lots of different elements

472
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,599
to consider here, and the deal
is between these two managers London Spider Knights,

473
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:51,759
who we've talked about on the show
before. Mike manages the London Spider

474
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,400
Knights and we have John Reid Maser
Reed, the manager of Maser Reid.

475
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,599
I should say, who is the
other side of this deal. So let's

476
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,279
get into here, shall we.
Mike and the London Spider Knights acquire goaltending

477
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,960
young player. I would say he's
maybe not a prospect anymore, but still

478
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,159
a great young player. Spencer Knight
and defenseman Eric Carlson from John for a

479
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,519
goalie prospect for the Chicago Blackhawks,
Drew Gomeso, the aforementioned Bruce Stevitch,

480
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:27,079
Washington Capitals d Martin Fervari and the
Vancouver prospect center winger Jonathan Lecrimachi and the

481
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,119
currently injured New York Rangers center Philip
heatl Lots of moving pieces here. It's

482
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:37,679
a great opportunity for US Victor to
get your understanding of how you go through

483
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,800
these deals with lots of moving pieces. Before I let you jump right in

484
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,400
here, I want to just say
what our tidy managers think about this deal.

485
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,800
And I'll just call back to the
poll that Mason Black ran on Twitter

486
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,920
where we had Hunter Brucetevitch really outpacing
Ryan Ufko in that comparison. In this

487
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,559
comparison, it's a little bit different. TI managers are leaning towards the Knight

488
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,800
and Carlson side sixty nine percent,
a nice majority leading towards that side.

489
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:12,360
And then just a bit of context
behind this trade here. You'll remember London

490
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,519
Spider Knights. They've been here before. We've talked about them. We talked

491
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,159
about Mike acquiring Darnell Nurse and Braden
Schen for Rasmus Sandy and and Logan Cooley.

492
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,760
In last week's episode, He's got
another win now defense piece in this

493
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,360
deal in Carlson, And here's what
Mike has to say about the trade.

494
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,719
He feels it's a pretty straightforward consolidation
trade with the goal of getting another high

495
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,960
end D piece. He feels that
his window two win is this year and

496
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,960
next year, and saw an opportunity
to make a trade with John, who

497
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,400
likely isn't sweating relegation but also won't
be going for it this year. And

498
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,000
he considers the crop of prospects that
he sent to be some of his middle

499
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,360
tier guys who are all having strong
seasons, and so he tried to put

500
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,559
together an offer that provided some floor
in Faervari and Heatle as well as some

501
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,760
ceiling those three prospects for his trading
partner. John agreed with that assessment,

502
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,360
saying that he is lower in the
table and that he offered a lot of

503
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,599
youth and depth for Spencer Knight,
who John says may never really make it

504
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:15,119
in the NHL for personal reasons.
Who knows about that, but he's been

505
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,239
in and out of the program this
year. And he also mentioned that Carlson

506
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,679
won't be super valuable to him after
this year as well, so two pieces

507
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,239
that may not have value for him
in the time. In the present time,

508
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,239
he says that he really likes Lecoramachi
and that Cameso is a decent goaltending

509
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,280
prospect on a rebuilding team with Cotter
Bdard, and the opportunity to acquire young

510
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,280
depth was one he could not pass
up. And so what do we think

511
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,039
here, Victor? Is hard to
know where to start. What I usually

512
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,480
do in these scenarios is break the
deal into its component pieces. So why

513
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,480
don't we start with the goalies and
then we can address the Carlson piece of

514
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,960
this. The way I would think
about this is who is the piece that

515
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,400
has added to Drew Cameso to make
him the other side of a Spencer Knight

516
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,679
deal? And might it be brucet
Evitch? Yeah, I think it might

517
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,679
be. That's a good way of
raising it. It's sometimes useful to draw

518
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,320
comparables and try to see what fits. I'm not sure that's as easy to

519
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,119
do in this situation. Maybe Bruce
Evicks is closer to the replacement for Carlson,

520
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,320
although if he listened to the first
segment. I'm not sure that I

521
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,079
buy that, but I'm gonna do
this slightly differently and just look at the

522
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:28,360
goalies first. And as John mentioned, Knight has upside, but we don't

523
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,559
really know where he's going to be. He might even be a number one,

524
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,880
but so far things have been really
rocky since he entered the league.

525
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,599
He's been in the player assistance program, he's had mental health issues and we

526
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:45,079
wish them all the best. Right
now, he's in the AHL and things

527
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:49,400
are going okay. Surface wise,
it doesn't look too amazing, but he's

528
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,920
over nine hundred and he's basically been
over nine hundred, say percentage his entire

529
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:59,000
AHL time there. And even though
that doesn't look so good, his expected

530
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,840
goals per goal conceal, which is
like an expected goals model, does look

531
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,679
pretty good so far this season.
Last season wasn't as good. And I

532
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:12,039
put in here the Hockey Prospecting chart
for Spencer Night. It looks super solid.

533
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,280
It's hard to imagine someone who looks
this good in the model not be

534
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,920
at least a one bee in the
league, so you have to imagine that,

535
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:23,880
although we also have to take into
account what's happening at the NHL level,

536
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,280
and slowly the goalie is a pretty
good backup slash one b He's been

537
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,079
totally compident that Florida Panthers are a
good team. And we know that Bob

538
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,119
has that massive contract, but it's
only two more seasons, and as you

539
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,400
get towards the end of a deal
like that, it's not unreasonable to imagine

540
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,159
that there could be eating into that
time a little bit or becoming more of

541
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,840
a timeshare. Early on, you
knew it wasn't going to happen, but

542
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,360
maybe it's going to happen a little
bit more. So there's that you look

543
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,800
at Commisso it's a fun comparison actually, because the two were both at the

544
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,599
us NTDP, not at the same
time, but they followed a similar trajectory

545
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,320
and then went to the NC double
A. Night was in the NHL a

546
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,639
little bit sooner than Comeso, who
still hasn't made his debut, but followed

547
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,360
that path of USHL, USNTDP to
NC double A to HL NHL time,

548
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:19,280
and early on their equivalencies actually looked
pretty similar. Then, thing that bumped

549
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,559
up Spencer's was that he was in
the NHL in his D plus three season

550
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,639
and Commisso was in the NCAA for
one more year and then has been in

551
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,480
the AHL. So his percentage seems
flat in the high twenties to low thirty

552
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,960
percent, which isn't bad for a
goalie, but it's certainly not super reassuring.

553
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,800
The thing that's a little bit problematic
for Cameso, who I do think

554
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,480
is probably the, if not the
one of the best in the system.

555
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,760
He's got some competition there. Adam
Guyan, who they drafted this year as

556
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:52,719
an overager, wasn't is someone who
has a pretty decent pedigree, even if

557
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800
he didn't have the best supporting numbers
because he played in the Slovaki twenty League

558
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,239
and then in AHL and then in
the USHL this year. He's good when

559
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920
he plays internationally, but some of
his other numbers don't look too reassuring.

560
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,320
I think Arvid Soderblom is actually pretty
strong, and even Jackson Stauber, who

561
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,880
played last year hasn't played this year. But overall, I think goalies are

562
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,360
since they're so volatile. I think
you could consider Comeso not that different from

563
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,639
Night and so the other pieces maybe
help make up for Carlson. But as

564
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,159
John said, there isn't much more
he was going to get from him for

565
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:30,320
holding on. So you get some
nice pieces and you see how they work

566
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,559
out. I would be a little
bit concerned for the side acquiring Carlson just

567
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,519
because Pittsburgh is fading fast in the
playoff picture, and I'm not sure how

568
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,920
that affects his play moving forward,
even though he's been great. And I

569
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,320
think that overall the Carlson piece and
even the Ferivari, we know what we're

570
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:51,559
getting from those guys, and it's
strong production, or at least consistent production.

571
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:54,840
Right now, we talked about a
rousteviks above. I'm not sure that

572
00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,000
his value is what it might seem, but certainly as one of multiple pieces

573
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,039
to hold on to and see what
happens, I think is totally reasonable.

574
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,039
I think Hetel is someone who could
have pretty sneaky value here because I think

575
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:12,880
it's smart to acquire him. He's
been nothing this year. He's had issues

576
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,920
in addition to being injured. Now
I guess he came back and he got

577
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,039
injured at practice. I was really
unfortunate, but he was really building his

578
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,199
play last year, was improving a
lot more time on ice, better play,

579
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:30,079
driving, and as good as we
know that the Rangers are they have

580
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,119
Trocheck and Zabanajad that are both on
the older side. So when is their

581
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,639
production going to start to tail off? And when are they going to look

582
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:45,039
towards someone like Heatl to provide a
little bit more of that play. They're

583
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:46,960
both committed to for a long time, which is a bit of a problem.

584
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:52,719
Heatle might go somewhere else potentially,
or one of those guys could move

585
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,760
to the Wings. I like the
acquisition of Heatle because I think the cost

586
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,639
of acquisition was really low at this
point and it's not helping a competitive team

587
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,239
at all right now, so why
not. I think the last one,

588
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:07,880
though, that's really interesting is Lekhara
Maki because he is someone who I think

589
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:14,840
people value very differently, and he
won the World Junior Championship MVP. As

590
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,559
some people might know, I was
pretty vocal that I did not agree with

591
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,800
that sentiment at all. I think
that he scored seven goals, and there's

592
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,559
a lot to be said about that. Some of them were big goals,

593
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,840
important goals, and he contributes that
he is a goal scorer and when he

594
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,280
wasn't scoring goals the last couple of
years for Drew Gardens, it was really

595
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:43,119
problematic, and the last two seasons
he had ten points in over fifty games

596
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,800
in the SHL ten goals, which
is not very good for a goal scorer.

597
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,519
This season, he already has ten
and thirty goals, so he's improved

598
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,079
that a lot. But I think
the bigger question for Lakhara Maaki is what

599
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,440
does he do when he's not scoring? And I think the answer is really

600
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,519
not much, which is a huge
problem for me. If you look at

601
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:04,320
his tracking data from Mitch Brown,
his overall scores only a fifty nine,

602
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,360
his defense is a twenty four,
and his transition is forty five. Basically,

603
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:13,239
he shoots a lot and his expected
goals are better than average. That's

604
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,239
the kind of player you get.
His impact on the game is not as

605
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,199
amazing as you might think, and
in the SHL so far this season it's

606
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
really not good. His transition play
and defense have been pretty poor, even

607
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:28,199
though his expected goals are high.
So I know some people will say I

608
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360
only care about offense his fantasy,
I only care if he scores goals,

609
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,840
but we all know that the coach
and other things are going to play into

610
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,199
that too, not just if he
can score goals. Can he play defense,

611
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,199
Can he play away from the puck? Can he get himself open?

612
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,679
And I have real questions about that. I'm not sure that he can.

613
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,519
In fact, I was talking to
a scout who asked me not to name

614
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,719
who it was, but they said
they continue to see him as a complete

615
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,800
bust. And that is alarming,
especially when he that was this year,

616
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
when he was when he's having a
good goal scoring season. At the best

617
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,360
of times, he's scoring goals and
not doing much else. At the worst

618
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,760
of times, he's doing absolutely nothing
to help you. And that is problematic.

619
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,400
So you look at his hockey prospecting
and he's a nine percent chance of

620
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,840
being a star, even with his
massive increase in scoring this season in the

621
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,440
SHL. That's not very good.
His comps are like Riley Smith basically is

622
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960
who is a reasonable comp for Jonathan
LACARAMACKI. That is not very reassuring.

623
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,679
The Chase McCollum data has him as
probably a top middle to top six player

624
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,239
in the NHL, the Pnachili has
bumped up a little bit to about a

625
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,320
sixty point player, and the j
Fresh model seven percent chance of being a

626
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,119
star. So this is why I
don't have any shares of Jonathan Lacaramackie,

627
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:49,440
but I also I wouldn't blame you
for having them because it's tantalizing. He

628
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,000
can score goals. I get it, there's still a world where he's valuable.

629
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,559
He can put up thirty plus goals. Even if he only puts up

630
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,920
fifty fifty points with thirty goals,
that's still something. It's just not the

631
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,880
kind of player that I want to
bet on. All of that being said,

632
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,000
Ryan, I think I heavily lean
towards the Carlson side just because that

633
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:12,519
is the most known commodity and it's
something that should help right now, and

634
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:15,039
there's not a lot of questions about
it. But I think overall you can

635
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,320
see this is pretty even because there's
some decent pieces on the other side that

636
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,719
I think could become could really become
something. What do you think? Yeah,

637
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,599
as usual, I think I agree
with most of your points here.

638
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:29,440
I'll start with Leka Remaki. I
totally have seen him as this kind of

639
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:34,159
player. He's either his ceiling is
certainly top line winger, and especially in

640
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,199
Vancouver, you know they're going to
be moving out some big wing contracts over

641
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,800
the next couple of years. You
imagine Kuzmenko probably doesn't stick around. You

642
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,719
imagine Garland probably goes out the door. You know, who knows what's going

643
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,599
to happen with their Russian wingers and
Hoglander and Pod Coles. And but I

644
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,159
think there could be a spot for
Leker Remaki and if not looking great for

645
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,559
Peterson re signing in Vancouver. But
if he sticks around, you're gonna want

646
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,760
whoever's playing with him. And so
I guess if you have a ceiling of

647
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:07,519
top line forward and a floor of
nothing, it's hard to make that evaluation.

648
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,519
And so I think I'll just stick
him in the middle and say I

649
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:14,199
expect him to be a middle six
producer. And if you get Riley Smith

650
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,880
and a deal for Carlson a night
here, I guess you're pretty happy if

651
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,039
you're John, and I agree,
the best player in this deal right now

652
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,719
is Carlson. That window could be
closing very quickly. We'll see what happens

653
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,480
there and what Dubas decides to do
with that team as they as they continue

654
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:35,239
to adjust around Crosby's timeline here.
But yeah, I think I agree with

655
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,679
you. I'll lean towards the Carlson
side and If I'm John and I don't

656
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,840
have any use for these two players, which is clearly the case here,

657
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,079
I would probably be happy to come
out of that deal with a few potential

658
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:50,760
second liners in Heatl and Lekramaki,
and a potential bottom of the lineup scoring

659
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,599
d in Brucetevitch and a tandem Goaliean
Kameso. I think it's probably the best

660
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:59,039
you can expect to do with players
you're not gonna have any use for.

661
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,199
So job by both managers, and
good job on both sides here. Next

662
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,079
we do as as promised, we
have the opportunity to talk about a division

663
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,920
we haven't really mentioned all that much
yet. This would be a great place

664
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,360
for Jesse to add that sound drop
of Gary Bettman saying we have a trade

665
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,119
to announce. So Tidy Lidstrom has
started wheeling and dealing. It's a bit

666
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,159
of a blockbuster here, especially where
the prospects are concerned. If we saw

667
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:27,119
this trade in the NHL, the
X machine would freak out. We have

668
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:34,079
Michael Tower, a acquiring right winger, Jack Quinn, defenseman bowen Byrom and

669
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:40,239
multi forward positional Kent Johnson. Great
asset there to have at every position from

670
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,320
the Belleville Bulls for right winger Brian
Rust, defender Shay Theodore, and winger

671
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Tyler Bertuzzi. So this is a
clear one for one, three for three

672
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:53,519
deal and you can analyze these players
back to back. Before we get into

673
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,599
that, we'll talk about our tidy
managers who see this as a relatively even

674
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,960
trade, most of them voting even
fifty nine percent, with people leaning more

675
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,199
towards the young player's side, as
is to be expected in our Fantasy Hockey

676
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Life community. We heard only from
Josh for this trade. Eichel Tower.

677
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,599
If you're listening it turned on your
Discord message requests and you'll see a couple

678
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:20,400
of messages from me. But we'll
hear what Josh has to say here,

679
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,679
and Josh says that he's trying to
win now and get promoted. That's his

680
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,599
goal. He believes he has a
pretty strong team and is now looking ahead

681
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,760
to the playoffs. Having a solid
crop of point getting d is important to

682
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,920
Josh with the scoring system the way
it is, and I tend to agree

683
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,360
Josh tried to prioritize that in a
draft, but with Dougie Hamilton's power play

684
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,079
role diminishing due to Luke Hughes and
his injury possibly holding him out for the

685
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,320
season. He wanted to acquire another
top end d man. Byron hasn't panned

686
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,599
out quite the way he had hoped
this year, but he's a good trade

687
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,119
chip for someone like Michael Tower,
who is lower in the standings and will

688
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:59,199
likely be staying in Lidstrom next year. Obviously, there's some risk acquiring Theodore

689
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,400
with his injuries stack us, and
as an owner of Theodore in many leagues,

690
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,360
I can't help but agree. He's
a great player when he's healthy,

691
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,199
and in this league he's dominating with
seven Fantasy points per game. But yeah,

692
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,599
the risk is certainly there, but
he thought it was worth the risk.

693
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:19,599
The initial offer here was Simon Holbstrom, Byram and Noah Kates for Theodore,

694
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,920
and then Eichel Tower counted. With
the trade as it is here,

695
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Josh figured he'd gets some more production
out of Bertuzzi, Rust and Theodore this

696
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,360
year than Johnson and Quinn and Byrom. So the way he sees it,

697
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,440
he's giving up three highly talented players
that could certainly pop for Eichel Tower and

698
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,840
help him get promoted. But ideally, if all goes well, Josh wall

699
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,880
be promoted and he won't have to
worry about this team anymore. Good for

700
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,880
both sides from his perspective. As
Josh said Victor, this deals a little

701
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,239
more straightforward than the previous and with
a three for three, we can contrast

702
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,159
and compare each pro with their equivalent
veteran. The way I see it is

703
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,280
it's Quinn versus Rust Byron versus Theodore
and Kent Johnson versus Tyler Bertuzzi, and

704
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,599
you have your pick where you want
to start. Yeah, this is great.

705
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,360
I love the clarity too, and
the way you laid it out.

706
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,400
I think that most of these the
players on Josh's side, who he's getting

707
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,840
we know a little bit. We
know Rust is a pretty solid producer and

708
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,199
that positional scarcity at right wing is
huge. Bertuzzi is right wing left wing.

709
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:27,280
But still I think that Russ being
a much more consistent and better producer

710
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,719
is a really great get for someone
competing. Bertuzzi has been pretty underwhelming.

711
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:36,960
He's thrust into maybe more of a
depth role, but he has gotten some

712
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
pretty great deployment. He definitely sees
time. But with the best players in

713
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:45,119
Toronto, it just hasn't worked out
in terms of the best point production from

714
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:50,000
him, it's it's been unfortunate.
Actually, his thirty six point pace I

715
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,480
think is well below what a lot
of us would be expecting, especially with

716
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,000
basically he's playing. He's playing almost
seventy percent of his time with Tavares,

717
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:04,760
Nilander or Marner, which I don't
know how you don't score more than that

718
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,400
with those three guys. On the
one hand, you could say that's gonna

719
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,039
turn around and he's gonna he's gonna
be able to score more. I know

720
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:14,280
Josh is a Leafs fan too,
if I'm not mistake mistaken, that might

721
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,599
have factored into, like watching the
game's a lot of knowing that he's just

722
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:21,920
getting unlucky. Sometimes you see things
like hitting the post or missing shots and

723
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,480
they don't register as well on the
score sheet. And Ryan has something to

724
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,599
say. I'm just gonna jump in
here because many of I'm a huge Leafs

725
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,360
fan. I never miss a game. I've watched every game this season,

726
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,800
and let me just be the first
to really say here, Tyler Bertuzzi has

727
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,519
been an absolute disappointment from every way
you could possibly look at it. Sheldon

728
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,280
Keith is struggling to find a place
for him in the lineup. I don't

729
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,199
understand how you can play with the
stars that you have on that team and

730
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,360
not put up any kind of worthwhile
scoring numbers. And for a number of

731
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,480
reasons, I'll be happy when this
contract is done and he moves on to

732
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:00,360
a new team. I don't and
I actually don't think he Just looking at

733
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,360
his body language and looking at how
he plays the game, it doesn't seem

734
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,719
like he really wants to be there. It has not been a great fit,

735
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,519
and so Josh. If Josh is
a least fan and he watched to

736
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,760
Bertucci this season, I would be
trying to get it from under him too

737
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,559
nice. I always appreciate that perspective. So yeah, those guys I think

738
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:20,880
are somewhat known, but Theodore is
the most known, and he's the best

739
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,320
asset, at least from a now
perspective in this deal by far. As

740
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,719
you mentioned, there's some questions about
how when he's going to be in the

741
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,599
lineup, but it seems like he'll
be right in line for fantasy playoffs,

742
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,079
which is great and that's all you
really care about, even if he's injured.

743
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:38,559
Now. I think the bigger question
is what kind of magic beans did

744
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,239
Eichel Tower get and I would say
some good ones. Two of the three

745
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,039
of these are some of my favorites. But we'll start with Quinn, who

746
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:49,559
I've been skeptical about in the past, but I think he's won me over.

747
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,480
I know the top six in Buffalo
seems like it's going to be pretty

748
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,400
crowded, but I think that Quinn
is one of those who's going to demand

749
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,280
a spot. And he's been up
and down. He had that unfortunate injury,

750
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,559
so he's been out a long time
and he came back initially good,

751
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,320
but it's been not amazing so far. But his a lot of his metrics,

752
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,960
a lot of his analytical models show
him as just It would be unlikely

753
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000
if he wasn't a star producer,
at least a first line, top of

754
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,920
the lineup type of player, despite
things that have gone sideways for him.

755
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,639
I think you have to take into
account how Buffalo continues to do this thing

756
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:30,760
where they start off looking really well
and then they just spiral down into disappointments.

757
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,039
I don't think that's all his fault. I think he's been a bit

758
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,480
of a victim of that, and
he wasn't even there for the first part

759
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,679
when they were really good can't benefit
from that. But pretty much any model

760
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,239
you look at, he looks like
pretty much a first line, if not

761
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,079
a definite top six player. But
so far the underlyings haven't looked good in

762
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:51,639
terms of his defensive play in particular
this year and last year he was a

763
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:54,159
little bit better across the board,
but its powerplay impact hasn't been good.

764
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,119
So I think that I could see
why someone will want to get out from

765
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,000
under Jack Quinn now. But I
think long term, Jack Quinn it's going

766
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,559
to be someone you're gonna want.
And I think when he's fully healthy and

767
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,719
the rest of the prospects mature in
Buffalo, I think he's going to be

768
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
up there and he's going to be
on the top power play and he's going

769
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,559
to be producing. So I love
getting him. I think a lot of

770
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,119
times this time of year, that's
exactly what you want to do. You

771
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:20,320
want to target players like this.
They've been disappointing this year. The other

772
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,199
managers have no problem letting them go
and you can really reap the benefits of

773
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,679
their turnaround next year. And Bowen
Byron might be one of these guys too.

774
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,119
He's been a favorite of mine for
a long time. I get the

775
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:37,840
frustration, though, Man, he
is frustrating to a times to roster because

776
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,519
I have him in several leagues too, and I watch him play, and

777
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:45,119
I watched that Stanley Cup final that
he was so important to the ABS in,

778
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:49,480
and then you watch him sometimes on
regular games and it's just is this

779
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,159
even the same guy? What is
happening? I don't understand. He's generally

780
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:57,320
been good when he's healthy and given
the opportunity, but that isn't always the

781
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,199
case. And it also seems,
and we've talked about this before, when

782
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,239
players get more and more responsibility,
it doesn't always go well. And I

783
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,760
think that's been the case for Byram. He's gotten I think a little bit

784
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,400
overwhelmed with the increased responsibility that he's
had. And you look at I put

785
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,320
in the notes here the tracking data
from Corey Schneider's All Three Zones project,

786
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,039
and it is not good. Like
generally across the board offense passing, his

787
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,320
zone entries are very good, but
his exits and retrievals are a little bit

788
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,400
hit and miss. Some of his
zone entry defense and for checking. All

789
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,800
in all, it's been pretty disappointing
for Bowen Byram. One thing I did

790
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,079
find interesting is I was digging into
this question because I was surprised by how

791
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:45,320
bad some of these metrics in But
since Bowen Biram has entered the league in

792
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:52,119
terms of his individual expected goals per
sixty across all defensemen in that time span,

793
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,639
and I took out people who had
played fewer than twelve hundred minutes because

794
00:55:55,639 --> 00:56:00,840
there were some real weird outliers in
there. But Ryan, I not believe

795
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,639
who is at the top of the
list. Does this surprise you? Are

796
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:08,000
you looking at the notes? I
am flabbergasted would be the word I think.

797
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:10,360
And I'm just gonna I'm not gonna
say that name yet, but I

798
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,760
will say here's the top five minus
the number one fifth, Zach Barinsky,

799
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:21,760
fourth, Shay Theodore third, Roman
Yosi, two Dougie Hamiltons. Who would

800
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,440
you expect Victor to be at the
top of that list? Personally, I

801
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,440
would think one of two players,
cal mccarr or Quinn Hughes. But I

802
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:34,960
would be sadly mistaken. Why is
that Victor? Because it's none other than

803
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:42,400
Jacob McDonald. Who's that What's funny
is when we had Shang Peng on and

804
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,039
we were talking way in the early
part of the summer because the Sharks were

805
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,159
so bad, and we were doing
the deep breevers, like who's going to

806
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,079
be the top power play on this
terrible team, and he said it might

807
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,239
be Jacob McDonald. He's actually been
pretty decent in this role. And I

808
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,199
remember thinking, like, nah,
come on, apparently he is decent in

809
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,239
this role because it's expected goals numbers
are crazy good. But yeah, I

810
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,039
was shocked. There's other names on
this list lower down that are also reasonable.

811
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:12,800
Montour, ek Blad, Bouchard,
even Wallman, John Carlson, Alex

812
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,599
Petangelo Carlson, all of these are
somewhat reasonable. That's one of the few

813
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:19,440
that is just a total head scratcher, and it's at the very top.

814
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,480
I can't even I don't even see
any other ones on this list that are

815
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:24,559
really surprising. They're all maybe not
the order I would have expected. But

816
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:30,880
yeah, we've got mccarr, the
aforementioned at ninth, We've got he's only

817
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,079
beaten up by montor k Blad,
Shay and the five that we mentioned earlier,

818
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,239
and actually Quinn Hughes, who I
think has been the best defenseman in

819
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,840
the league. This year from a
scoring standpoint, certainly not on this list.

820
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,960
Yeah, I think he's lower down, but I would have to scroll

821
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:50,159
to find him. What is this? This is thirty one he is,

822
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,960
You're right, he's after Byram,
who is forty fifth, So I have

823
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,599
to figure out where he is.
But he's not there. But the reason

824
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:00,880
I brought this up is that Adam
that Bow and Byram is forty fifth on

825
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:08,039
this weird list. Mostly I would
say top offensive producing defenseman except maybe Jacob

826
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:13,960
McDonald and Adam Fox is right ahead
of Bo Byron and Chris Letang is right

827
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,440
behind him, So it's a pretty
interesting list. I think he clearly has

828
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,639
the talent, but his metrics just
do not look good this year. I

829
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,719
don't know exactly what's going on.
I know he was out with some injuries

830
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,480
and he's had the constant injury problem, and I just don't know. But

831
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,280
I still believe in the talent,
and so if it means acquiring him and

832
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,679
punting till next year and seeing what
happens, I'm fine with that. I

833
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:38,599
think that there could be some upside
still. Yeah, Ed and I drafted

834
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:44,079
Byron this year in Lord Stanley,
and we drafted him It was an interesting

835
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:49,239
situation when we drafted him because he
had he was just under the game's played

836
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,960
limit and so he qualified as a
rookie technically. So he was taken in

837
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,440
our rookie draft very high, and
we thought great, and people who have

838
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,320
undertaken this draft and Tidy and two
Dynasty would know that by the time you

839
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,119
get down to pick twenty five,
twenty six, twenty seven, you're really

840
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:10,320
just like replacement level producers there.
You're looking for your bangers D. But

841
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,800
even the good ones are gone at
that point. So we thought, oh,

842
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,320
great, we'll just get We'll get
a roster D with our first or

843
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,199
second pick in Byram in the rookie
draft, and we'll be laughing. And

844
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,840
we haven't been laughing so much this
year. We've been crying at points,

845
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:30,760
certainly with Byron's production. But it
should turn around. Yeah, it's been

846
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,440
pretty disappointing, but we'll see the
other guy. Kent Johnson one of my

847
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,119
favorites. I wrote about how many
peerings side when he was down with Cleveland,

848
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,639
and when he initially returned he looked
great, and I was like,

849
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,280
ah, I pat myself on the
back and then and then it hasn't looked

850
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,880
so good since then. His production
has actually tailed off quite a bit.

851
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,159
But I think a lot large part
of this is due to Columbus. It's

852
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:57,880
really funny on Corey Schneider's data,
he has one of these shot creation chance

853
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,320
generation charts and it's usually the good, good and the bad, and you

854
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,320
might get scored on by you're creating
chances. And then actually he doesn't have

855
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:12,280
it labeled as bad. The bad
quadrant just says San Jose because there is

856
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:15,000
production is so bad. I thought
that was hilarious. But anyways, Columbus

857
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:20,079
is in the San Jose quadrant of
not good, along with Chicago and actually

858
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,880
some other interesting teams like the Islanders
and Seattle, the Blues and Arizona.

859
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,239
A couple of those teams are somewhat
competitive, and so that's interesting. But

860
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,159
anyways, I think that part of
this is team effect, no doubt about

861
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,719
it. But Ken Johnson, his
underlying metrics look bad still, so I'm

862
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:40,719
a little bit worried. But all
of the analytic projections show him as just

863
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,559
a top line player, and I've
watched a couple of the of his games

864
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:47,920
and a lot of his shifts recently, somewhat painfully, But I still think

865
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,559
that he has the offensive talent and
he's still producing. He's making some really

866
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:57,480
great plays. But it's hard when
you're getting paved in, when your other

867
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,559
lines are getting carved in and your
lyne even to some extent too, to

868
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:06,280
be so confident and create that create
a lot of that offensive creativity. So

869
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,880
in the end, Ryan, I
think this is a perfect win here in

870
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,760
dynasty, where you have some great
win now pieces on one side and some

871
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,920
potentially really great win later pieces.
Is that how you see it? Yeah,

872
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:20,920
when I first saw this trade,
that's exactly how I looked at it.

873
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,920
And if I may just comment on
Johnson for a quick second, I

874
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,360
think, like you said, I
think a lot of this is the team

875
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:34,079
effect. I think that Columbus they've
had a rough year. It started before

876
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:37,400
the season with all of the Babcock
noise around the team, and then Babcock

877
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,920
is out and they replace him with
Pascal Vincent. I really do think that

878
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,599
he may not be the right coach
for this team, much as I've enjoyed

879
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,360
his career to this point, and
so I think, just to use that

880
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,760
old Brian Burke quote, once the
Columbus ownership can shovel out the burn,

881
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:59,599
and the burn in this case being
Kakalin and Vincent and anyone associated with the

882
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,519
regime so far, they can start
to show the horse, and the horse

883
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:07,320
in this case is the great young
players they have on that team, David

884
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,800
YURICEK Kent Johnson, et cetera,
et cetera. And so once we can

885
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,119
get to the point where this team
has a direction and has new leadership,

886
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:21,639
I think that certainly we'll see some
of these young players fantilly another one Johnson.

887
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,719
I think we'll really start to see
them pop. And so these players

888
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,440
are not going to help you win
right now. That's the genesis of this

889
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:32,079
deal. Lots of great pedigree from
these players coming back. And so I

890
01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,679
think it's a great deal for us
to discuss in this context. And yeah,

891
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,360
thank you to the managers for providing
us with the opportunity to have such

892
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,639
a nuanced and exciting conversation. Definitely, And I think that's a really good

893
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:51,199
point about Columbus. And I think
some people will say things like, oh,

894
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,559
are they ever going to be good? And I would point somewhat tentatively

895
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:58,280
to Arizona because we say the same
things about them for a long time,

896
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,400
and they are a really good team
this year. If they've run into some

897
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,920
tough matchups lately, but they had
some they were acquiring some good prospects for

898
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,679
a while and we thought, eh, maybe won't happen. Maybe it still

899
01:03:08,679 --> 01:03:12,400
won't happen in Columbus, but I
think they have all the horses to do

900
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,400
it, as you said, so
I don't think it's unreasonable to put your

901
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,079
faith there, and Ken Johnson certainly
has to be one of the top of

902
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:22,320
that heat of the heap there.
And I know we're not necessarily going to

903
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,760
date this podcast too much, but
an article was released today on The Score

904
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,800
in Canada saying that Columbus is really
interested in looking to move some of their

905
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:37,280
veteran pieces like Patrick Lyone and Ivon
Provarov. And so this is clearly I

906
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,880
think Kakaalinin's last gas, but trying
to salvage the partial rebuild that the team

907
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,159
is going through right now. And
we'll see who can't might even have to

908
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:49,199
play with when the future, if
if lion A is gone, if Provarov

909
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,239
is gone, they don't have that
kind of all around d who can get

910
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,360
the puck up to the forwards.
This team is going to look vastly different

911
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,320
I think over the next year or
two than it does right now. And

912
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,159
it has to because boyd they stick. Yeah they do. They're in the

913
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:05,719
San Jose quadrant, so you know
they're bad. Thanks so much Ryan for

914
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,119
putting this all together, and thanks
so much for the tidy managers for all

915
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:14,239
of your insights. And definitely respond
to Ryan's messages when he sends them to

916
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,679
you so we can get all that
content on here. And until next time,

917
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:30,800
we look forward to your night.
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926
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