1 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,280 What is a fellow thermonuclear a efforts. Dan and Grant are back with our 2 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:27,239 final installation of NBA off season grades, which can only mean that these will 3 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,079 a either be outdated before they go live or be be outdated immediately after they 4 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:35,520 go live, because that would be absolutely how this works. But we're into 5 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,320 the Pacific Division very quickly. Before we get started, Please remember to subscribe 6 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,560 to us wherever you can sume us. Consume us I'm talking too fast again. 7 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,799 Hit the subscribe button on YouTube likes and comments. Help us bust up 8 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:50,119 that algorithm too. If this is your first stance checking us out, first 9 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:54,880 time checking us out on your podcast player, subscribe to us there. 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With 18 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,280 that out of the way, Grant, how the hell are you doing? 19 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:30,959 I'm good. I would just say that the audience really is going to owe 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,640 it to us, right, like we're we are to pick up listeners. 21 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:37,439 We're doing you all favor. Yeah, you're welcome. First of all, 22 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,439 I'm doing great. I'm excited to do to wrap this with the division that 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,480 I pay the closest attention to just by virtue of my h we don't have 24 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,640 to hide our fandom, right, everybody's listening long enough knows I'm a Warriors 25 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:55,480 fan. So yeah, I'm glad to do the Pacific. It's funny because 26 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,000 I do think you're in the same boat that I would argue at least the 27 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:00,760 majority of our listeners don't you know you're Warriors fan? And they're like a 28 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:04,799 majority of people. I'm sure a majority of this podcast knows. I'm a 29 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Knicks fan, but like the way I talk about the Knicks or just cover 30 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,319 the league, everyone accuses me of being biased against the Knicks, and so 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,120 I'm like, that must mean I'm doing my job. Probably still poorly, 32 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,719 but at least correctly if they can't detect it. Because it's just funny when 33 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:21,639 I get accused of like why do you hate the Knicks, And it's just 34 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:24,240 like if you had any sort of knowledge of my background, it's just the 35 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,560 complete opposite. You hate them because they've hurt you so much, because you 36 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,520 care so much. Right, Yeah, I've consumed too much in my life 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,719 rooting for them, and hence my life is ruined. But criteria for these 38 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:42,560 as always, we don't care about Grant's fandom because he's just drowning in championship 39 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,280 rings and dynastic aspirations. At the moment, we are grading these teams to 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,960 this point as of Monday, August twenty second, even though you're probably listening 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,759 to this on Wednesday or Thursday of that same week. And also, these 42 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:58,360 are organizational grades, so we're not grading them from the player's perspective. And 43 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:02,159 finally, you know, don't get mad when people get be's and s or 44 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:05,800 cs here, don't get mad if they get a B. If anyone was 45 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,960 ever mad at a BE in school, I fucking hate you, like I 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,479 don't like I remember my mom being angry that I got like eighty eights like 47 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,639 if I didn't get like eighty nine and up, it was considered like a 48 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,759 disappointment. Don't hold people to that standard. That's unfair. A sea is 49 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,840 passing, a C minus is passing. So that's how we're doing this. 50 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:24,800 It's the Dason that asks you really have to worry about and there are certainly 51 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,319 questions when you get into the ce territory. With the criteria out of the 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,800 way, though, Grant and I'll throw it up on the screen for the 53 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:38,240 YouTube watchers. We begin with the Golden State Warriors and their notable moves include 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,759 drafting Patrick Baldwin junior at number twenty eight. They signed leicster Keonas to a 55 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,120 two way contract. They acquired Ryan Rollins number forty four from the Hawks for 56 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:51,520 Tyree's Martin number fifty one and two million dollars in cash. They signed Hollins 57 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,599 then to a three year four point eight million dollars deal. His first two 58 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,879 years are guaranteed. They resigned Covan Lady to a three year twenty two point 59 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:02,719 five million dollars deal. Seventeen point five million is guaranteed. The final season, 60 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:05,520 when he'll be twenty eight is his age twenty one campaign. Anyway, 61 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,639 there's only three million guaranteed. It fully guarantees if the team wins the title 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,080 in twenty twenty three or two and twenty four. They signed to Michael Green 63 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,480 to a one year vet minimum deal after the Thunder bought him out. They 64 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:20,079 signed Tonte DiVincenzo to a two year, nine point two million dollars deal most 65 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,680 of the mini mL there there's a player option on year two. They signed 66 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,040 Mac McClung to an Exhibit nine contract. They signed trevi On Williams to an 67 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:30,759 Exhibit ten deal. Notable exits. Gary Payton the second signed with the Blazers. 68 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:33,720 Otto Porter Junior signed with the Raptors, Damien Lee signed with the Suns. 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,959 Wantascano Anderson is projected to be part of the Los Angeles Lakers best closing 70 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:45,480 lineup this season, and Andrea Godala and Kuindari Weatherspoon remain unsigned. What grade 71 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,720 did you give your Warriors, ran and did we miss any of the transactions? 72 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,240 This is the team that you can't afford to have anything missing. Yeah, 73 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,399 I'm well they didn't do a whole lot, so yeah, no, 74 00:04:54,519 --> 00:05:00,399 you got big is a big deal Mac. Yeah. Mc McClung rubling the 75 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:02,600 air out of the ball and trying searching for highlight passes in summer League is 76 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,639 was not one of my favorite things this This is a bee for me. 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,759 And the Warriors are kind of weirdly a hard team to evaluate because on one 78 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:15,439 side you have the well, how do they you know, why didn't they 79 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,319 just pay whatever it costs to keep Porter and Peyton? And there's some validity 80 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:23,720 to that because why do we care what the billionaire spends? At the same 81 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,600 time, like my personal opinion is like you gotta miss me with that stuff, 82 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,040 like or at least start somewhere else, because there are there are much 83 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,000 richer owners that are way tighter with their spending, So just start somewhere else 84 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,240 when you're going to complain about like why now not all of them are titled 85 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,240 or defending a title or trying to catch another get another one. But like 86 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,920 there's there's a little lower hanging fruit if you're going to complain about ownership frugality, 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,560 like this is not the place to start with that from my opinion. 88 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:53,879 So it sucks to lose Peyton, super important, played a key role, 89 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,920 was better than he's ever been in his career. Is not that Young sucks 90 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,199 to lose. Porter also played a key role, was better than he's been 91 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:04,800 in a couple of years. Perfect situation factored in for both of them. 92 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,040 I would love to have had both back from a fan perspective, but I 93 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:14,560 think to kind of backfill with Dante di Vincenzo, I mean on a to 94 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:18,079 me a bargain deal and to get Jamichael Green kind of into the Porter spot. 95 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:24,959 I think based on how hard it typically is to keep a championship team 96 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,920 together and not suffer a bunch of attrition, which the Warriors did. I 97 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,639 mean, you listed all the guys they lost. Most of them were not 98 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,800 significant minute players, but like they did lose Peyton and Porter, It's hard 99 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,040 to keep a team this good together, especially on the margins where guys are 100 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:43,040 going to go somewhere else and get more money or get bigger roles. So 101 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,879 I think all that factored in. The b feels right to me. And 102 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,519 that's and that's not even like really fact like looking at the Looney retention, 103 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,720 which I think is super important. And I do like the Baldwin pick because 104 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,680 this is sort of like once they when they when they got him, it 105 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,759 felt like I'm not drunk I'm not making this comparison, but it's a sort 106 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,000 of like a different version, a lesser version of a Michael Porter junior draft 107 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,560 pick, because Baldwin was like a top five depending on where you look, 108 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:16,319 top ten in his high school class. So like it was a weird situation 109 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,720 where he went to a school that wasn't a big deal. His father was 110 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:23,879 a coach, but similar in that, like, well, it's really just 111 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:27,319 injuries for him. He had a terrible collegiate season. It was short and 112 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:30,439 it was injury ridden, but like he's a big guy that can shoot, 113 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,720 and there's there there was at a point like this guy is one of the 114 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:39,879 five or ten best players of his age in the country. So getting someone 115 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,319 like that at twenty eight when you're the Warriors and you can just afford to 116 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,920 take home run swings with you know, major downside. I really think that 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,079 was the right pick for them. And the other thing that you have to 118 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:56,439 sort of for me consider here is they're just banking on a ton of organic 119 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,680 growth, which isn't an offseason thing. I mean, like unless we're going 120 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,079 to start factoring in like what's the player development staff doing. But I think 121 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:09,279 in light of the expectation that guys like Moody and guys like Cominga specifically and 122 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:15,160 even Pool are going to improve. I think it makes sense to go for 123 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,240 someone like Devincenzo, who like injuries are the issue for him. So there's 124 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,560 like there's a chance that he only gives you forty good games or something like 125 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,439 that. But that's okay because you're going to backfill that with guys that are 126 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,680 young and already on the roster and getting better. So even even the downside 127 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,759 risk of Devincenzo, which is for sure there because he didn't look like an 128 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,440 NBA player or a good NBA player for a lot of the last you know, 129 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,399 year two years, I think that makes sense. So it's still just 130 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,960 to be because they did lose key guys, but I think they did about 131 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,200 as well as they could without just deciding to have like a six hundred million 132 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,879 dollars, you know, roster cost. Yeah, I gave him a B 133 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:56,159 two, and I tend to lean towards they should have just kept I would 134 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:00,799 have picked GP two over Otto Porter Jr. Because of the Cominga stuff, 135 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,360 and I think they did with picking him to Michael Green, I think what 136 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,519 they've basically done this offseason. They've showed less faith in James Wiseman than they 137 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,519 did in Jonathan Cominga and Moses Moody based off how their off season went, 138 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,039 and that makes sense. But they also didn't go to the full route of 139 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,159 we're going to sign and has on Whiteside, because that would have showed like 140 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,200 no faith in James Wiseman. Probably, So I liked the Michael Jamichael Green 141 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,600 pick up and the thing with Otto Porter Jr. He wanted to be in 142 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,559 Toronto, and I firmly believe he took less than market value and that his 143 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,279 actual salary, like the Warriors wouldn't have been able, Like he probably had 144 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:33,720 richer offers from the rap than the Raptors, and the Warriors wouldn't have been 145 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,320 able to pay him that much. So and then the Devincenzo pick up like 146 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:43,279 sort of mitigates losing GP two, but again on a team that really doesn't 147 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,200 have like it's Moses Moody and Andrew Wiggins and Lay Thompson as your wings. 148 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,440 And so now you're depending a lot on I think Moses Moody might be ready 149 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,639 based off little we soft from him last season. Now you're kind of like, 150 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,480 well, Klay Thompson Andrew Wiggins are both just going to be really good, 151 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,240 and that's that. Offensively, Klay Thompson sure, having like now games 152 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,320 under his belt, maybe he continues to improve. Defensively, I'm just not 153 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,960 like Andrew Wiggins was just the second best player on their team during the finals, 154 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Like that makes me wildly uncomfortable and very appreciative of Steph for that matter. 155 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,320 And that's like where I'm sort of like they couldn't have won something else 156 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 where, like if you have GP two. Yeah, he's smaller, but 157 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:22,960 at least that kind of beefs up your wing defense in the event of disaster, 158 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:26,000 if Moody's not ready, if Wiggins regresses, if Klay Thompson gets injured 159 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:30,840 again, I know he's smaller, but he can defend bigger. The Cavan 160 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:33,120 Loody signing, though, was a steal. A steal. You have JaVale 161 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:37,639 McGee getting about as much guaranteed money as Cavan Looney explaining that to me, 162 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,919 explain it, you can't do it explicable and so yeah, I do think 163 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,120 they should have paid one of them, but I can't quibble over it. 164 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,639 And the way you frame the Patrick Waldron junior pick almost made me want to 165 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,519 bump them up higher. But I still think they should have kept somebody and 166 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:56,200 like between GP two or but like they should have kept GP two because they 167 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,399 could have given him that money. Otto Porter Junior was more of just sort 168 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:05,080 of like like that was just if he territory there. And the other thing 169 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,720 is just like I guess he had the leverage because he was signing for less 170 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,240 than the Mini eml E. So it's a win. But now they can't 171 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,159 even keep Dante di Vincenzo if he's good, because he's not gonna stay because 172 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,440 he has the player option and he's not gonna play stay for the Mini MLI, 173 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,679 which would be the most that they could offer him effectively, So that 174 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:24,279 is it's not a loss, but it's just like I guess he had the 175 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,320 leverage for a player option, especially because they didn't give him the full Mini 176 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,159 Emily. I think it was a good off season and you had to bank 177 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,960 on organic growth if you want to keep Klay Thompson and Draymond Green long term 178 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,840 with the rest of this corps. I do wonder if the absence of extensions 179 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,600 for anyone the off season's not over yet, does that matter to you at 180 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,639 all at this point. I mean, I don't know how. It certainly 181 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,639 has the potential to change the grade, right like, because if they got, 182 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,159 say, if they've managed to reach in agreement with Pool just to take 183 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,080 one of them, and you're talking like Anthony Simon's money or less, then 184 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,679 I probably bump it up if it's got to be. If it's significantly more 185 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,720 than that, then maybe we're not changing it, you know, and who 186 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:11,960 knows what happens with Wiggins, what happens with Green, like it just there 187 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:16,159 is a little bit of an incomplete element here, But I really don't know. 188 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,360 It really would just come down to the how good these extensions are, 189 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,440 Like just if they extend or do not. If they don't do anything, 190 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,720 I can't really knock it because they just retain all the leverage anyway and nothing 191 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,480 really changes. And I don't think this is a team where it's like, 192 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,600 well, Jordan Pool's pissed off and he's not gonna you know, you can't 193 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,320 like this is a championship contender that's not going to fly in the locker room. 194 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,799 So the downside risk of not giving guys as much as you can right 195 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,639 away is not as severe here as it would be on another team, it 196 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,000 would be And I like don't have a feel for what they should extend to 197 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,120 any of these four guys. And I don't like Clay Thompson. I'm not 198 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,240 worried about because it's just like Clay's not gonna go anywhere if they want to 199 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,440 keep him. And Draymond Green is like, I feel like they shouldn't extend 200 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:01,600 him and they should make him opt out and play the market. But I 201 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:03,399 could also like if they do extend him, my guests would be that I'm 202 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,080 going to be surprised at how cheap it was because I don't know why the 203 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,519 Warriors would do it. Other I'm not saying he's not important, but just 204 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:11,679 like that's where I'm at with him. I have no feel for Jordan Pool. 205 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,519 I think Anfrey Simon's money feels about right, But to me, he's 206 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,440 shown he can do more when you look at his finishing specifically than Afrey Simons 207 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,080 on offense. But like Anfrey, Simons has done it in like a higher 208 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,279 leverage role because of the amount of time he was playing without Dame or even 209 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,240 CJ last year. But to go the other way, like Pool is, 210 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,679 Pool has performed really well against the best teams in the biggest games, and 211 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,759 Simons did it down the stretch for a team that was tanking. I don't 212 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:41,480 disagree with you, Like, no, you're right, You're right, we've 213 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,679 seen Simons do it. But I think we've seen Pool do it too. 214 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,519 I don't know. I don't know, like if I'm comfortable with Pool as 215 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,960 like Curry's successor right, like this is the guy who gets the keys in 216 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,440 five years or whatever it is. God, I hope it's five years, 217 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,440 five more for stuff. I hope it's I hope it's like twelve why as 218 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,080 long as you're rulling to give me. But I think in his role right 219 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,080 now, Pool is like just an absolute luxury. He has overqualified for, 220 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,440 like by a ridiculous degree for what like his actual responsibilities are on the team 221 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,200 right now. Yeah, and so my over work bars. I don't think 222 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,480 I could get mad. I guess the players extension I'd most likely be turned 223 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,000 off by, which is weird, might be Wiggins is if it, Depending 224 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,799 on what it is, I do think it would be awkward though, Like, 225 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,399 wasn't there that video of Jordan Pool and Andrew Wiggins congratulating each other on 226 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,360 getting the bag this off season and they just extend neither of them. That'd 227 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:37,559 be like, I forgive everything said within the within an hour of winning a 228 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:41,519 championship. You're not you're not in your right mind. That'll never hold up 229 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:43,919 in court, like they cannot be held to those statements. Uh yeah, 230 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,440 beings across the boarder and I think they only really have that. I can't 231 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 imagine them going down like it would have to be. They'd have to max 232 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,799 out Pool and declare him Curry's successor for me to be like whoa were like, 233 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,159 we need to like we need to just give give Draymond like the full 234 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,679 max. There's something totally in you know, crazy like that. Yeah, 235 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,639 so bas across the board for them, we are on too, and I 236 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:07,639 need to put it up on the screen. But we're onto the La Clippers, 237 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:09,440 which I have a feeling where we're both gonna go with this. They 238 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,879 signed a Beach Zubos to a three year to thirty two point eight million dollars 239 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,919 extension. He declined where they declined. I think he had a non garant 240 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:20,320 whatever. There was a the season that he had left in twenty two and 241 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,720 twenty three that option was declined as part of the extension. They signed Nicholas 242 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,120 but Tune to a two year, twenty two point six million dollars deal that 243 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,080 was not incidentally declared that they were going to investigate salary cap circumvention like the 244 00:15:31,159 --> 00:15:33,159 Sixers and James Harden. They signed him her Coffee to a three year, 245 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,320 eleven million dollars deal fully guaranteed. They signed John Walld to a two year 246 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,679 at thirteen point three million dollars deal that was the mL and includes a team 247 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:45,679 option on the second year. They drafted Musa Diabata at number forty three and 248 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,559 signed him to a two way contract. They signed Xavier Moon and Moses Brown 249 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,879 to Exhibit ten deals. Notable exits. They waived Jay Scrub Isaiah Hartenstein signed 250 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:58,720 with the Knicks. I will note that the Knicks gave Hartenstein more than the 251 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,919 Clippers could physically offer. They were limited to their mini MLI, and Rodney 252 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:06,799 Hood remains unsigned. Rodney Hood just floating out. They remaining unsigned is like 253 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,759 kind of sort of interesting. Maybe perhaps not after what we've seen in past 254 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,720 few years. Anyway, Grant, what great do you give the Clippers and 255 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,360 why is it just a flat A well? I wanted to make it an 256 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,720 a minus because of well, I don't know if I had to choose between 257 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,759 Zubots and Hardenstein, I don't know what I do. I hate that they 258 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:26,840 lost Hardenstein. We've lauded the Knicks for getting Hardenstein, it's still just a 259 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,720 flat A because, like you said, it was a financial thing, and 260 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,960 like getting like Zubots's contract is still like a total bargain to me. And 261 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,720 I don't know how badly you need to conventional centers. So that's all. 262 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,159 That's all fine. I can't do. I just can't go less than an 263 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:47,840 A because like getting the team option on Wall, there's like I'm not saying 264 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,720 it's likely, but there's a chance that so that Wall plays like a guy 265 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:55,799 that you know, is he's getting thirty, he's got thirteen point three million 266 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:57,480 total over the two years. There's a chance he plays like a guy who 267 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:00,679 should be getting paid twice that this year. Like he right, you don't 268 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,480 know that he might really be that good. It's not like the time he 269 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:07,599 played in Houston not to pass. He's honest, he'd be like after you 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,960 were first rate, Like he wasn't terrible, he was good enough. He 271 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:15,000 was and with nothing around him, and now it's just like, look at 272 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:18,960 the transformation of the of the roster that he's playing with. So and the 273 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,759 best thing is like if it goes belly up, if he can't play at 274 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:25,279 all, it's like, oh, well, we were off the hook for 275 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,160 this next year. We spent six and a half million dollars or whatever. 276 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,000 It was like not a big deal and frankly like they don't need him, 277 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,519 like they're gonna be very good without him. So yeah, you're you're guy, 278 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:40,480 I'm your coffee. Totally reasonable deal, three for eleven, but toom 279 00:17:40,759 --> 00:17:42,240 may feel a little bit rich, but I think he really matters on this 280 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:45,799 team still. I just yeah, it's a a I don't know. I 281 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:49,759 don't know unless you're unless like you had to have Hartenstein and you would have 282 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:53,039 cost you all this other stuff to keep him, but you know you couldn't 283 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,359 like he signed for more than that. He would have had to take Lass 284 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,519 to stay right, So unless you're gonna tell me he was gonna take Lass 285 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,240 and you wanted him over John, you know, Uh, this is my 286 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,039 only A plus of season because look, they hit everything like you got Nick 287 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:11,440 Betune back. They just have all the a mere Coffee was really good last 288 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,160 year. I couldn't believe they only got him for eleven million over three. 289 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,400 I was actively angry at basically every other single team in the NBA for allowing 290 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,559 that to happen. The Zoobots extension for starting five, that's like, that's 291 00:18:23,599 --> 00:18:26,839 a number that it's not even Oh, it's okay that you're paying him that 292 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,119 even though he might not close some games. You bumped that up like five 293 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,480 to eight million a year and you would still be okay with that. He 294 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:37,599 is a better rim protector than he gets credit for, has real value for 295 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,519 what he does on the offensive end. For them, I think you could 296 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:41,920 dig them if you wanted to, to be like, well, the backup 297 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:47,000 big situation is kind of weird as Zoobots and Moses Brown and then oh is 298 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:51,599 Roco or Morris there primary like backup five? Okay? Good, Yeah, 299 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,240 that sounds great because you know what Reggie Jackson and John Wall, they're like 300 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,920 there are flaws with either player where if John Wall's not John Wall, then 301 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,279 you don't have a primary like playmaker on this team, like you have Kawhi 302 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,839 Leonard and Paul George, but you don't have like the floor general type pass 303 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,680 first guy. But then you get to go point guardless because of all like 304 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:14,839 your smaller ball options and the other thing that's probably just not receiving enough attention 305 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,920 to me and you met. By the way, the team option for John 306 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,960 wall is a home run for the Clippers. They have not been looped in 307 00:19:21,279 --> 00:19:23,960 to the Kevin Durant trade talks at all. There's been no oh, they've 308 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:27,319 like with the Celtics and Jalen Brown, whether they let it out, whether 309 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,839 the Nets let it out, whether that's completely false, and let's face it, 310 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:32,839 it's not. There has to be a moticom of truth to it. 311 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:34,519 There's been nothing. Paul George is on the table for Kevin Durant. They 312 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:38,359 didn't even get the what we just saw from Shaan's Recently, both the Nuggets 313 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,720 and the Pelicans inquired about Kevin Durant. Like they've just steered clear of all 314 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:47,039 of that. And you can argue, well, there's still a combustibility with 315 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:51,279 the injuries to Powell and Kawai and Paul George like okay, like what like 316 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:53,519 what do you want them to do about that? They can't physically pay for 317 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,000 a magic wand that just rids Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Of all these 318 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:02,839 injuries, they had nothing to work with this offseason aside from talent retention in 319 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,599 the Mini mL E, and they turned that talent retention into a steal of 320 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:10,440 a deal from your coffee. I would say, like market value for Nick 321 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,240 Batoum, the way he's played over the past two seasons, maybe there's some 322 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,480 risk there at that number, but the cap is going up. And then 323 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:19,200 just like John Wall with a team option for the for the Mini mL E, 324 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,279 this was an A plus plus plus plus. I don't know how they 325 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:26,920 could have had a better off season again unless you told me Hartenstide said hey, 326 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,599 I'll come back for less than the mL E. But then at that 327 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,440 point I'm like, oh, well, then who are you signing to Maybe 328 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,960 be like the ceiling on John Wall is higher than the ceiling on Hartenstein. 329 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,759 Still no doubt, so that like, I can't even really fault that. 330 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,720 So it's an A plus and it's the only one I gave out this summer. 331 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,440 Yeah, I don't give a pluses, but this would have been right 332 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:51,039 in. I mean, I don't know who I whose off season is just 333 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:55,400 a cleaner like string of wins than this one. Mister. I don't give 334 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,319 out a pluses. You're one of those, all right, all right, 335 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,400 I like to save one and I try. I try to give one F. 336 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:03,359 I don't think I gave out an F this offseason though. M Well, 337 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,720 the Lakers next. Speaking of which the Lakers are up notable moves. 338 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,400 Russell Westbrook picked up his forty seven point one million dollar player option, Stanley 339 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,480 Johnson picked up his player option. Kendrick Nunn picked up his player option. 340 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,759 One Yan Gabriel's contract was guaranteed. I believe Lebron James signed a two year 341 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:23,200 ninety seven point one million dollars extension player option on year two, which is 342 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,000 two twenty four, twenty twenty five of note that money goes up if the 343 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,599 cap goes up. Signed Lottie Walker, the fourth to a one year deal 344 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,319 at the Mini mL Signed Troy Brown Junior to a vent minimum deal. Signed 345 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,000 Damian Jones to a two year, four point nine million dollar deal with a 346 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:41,519 player option on year two. Signed one to Scotty Anderson, a favorite of 347 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,480 Hardwood Knox, to a one year VET minimum. Signed Thomas Bryant to a 348 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,799 one year VET minimum. Drafted max Christie at number thirty five and signed him 349 00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:51,559 to a two year, two point seven million dollar deal, signed Cole Swider 350 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,359 to a two way contracts signed Scottie Piven Junior to a two way contract, 351 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,799 and gave exhibit tens to Javonte McCoy, Jay Huff and Fabian White Junior. 352 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,680 Their notable exits include Malik Munt signing with the Kings. Kent Baysmore also signed 353 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,920 with the Kings, Dwight Howard Mellow, DJ Augustine, Trevor Reza why Ellington, 354 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,799 and Avery Bradley remained unsigned. I'm just laughed laughing at how many guys 355 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:17,599 were actually playing for the Lakers last year who just remained on side. Right 356 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:21,319 now, maybe that's not actually funny, but Grant, what move did you 357 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,319 give the Lakers? And I would like you to maybe answer this question first 358 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:29,880 before you give the grade. Did you price in at all that Russell Westbrook 359 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,599 at this moment is still on the team. I mean, yeah, that's 360 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:38,960 a factor. Like so, I think I think I had this as a 361 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,880 C minus in July and I've since gone down to a D plus, not 362 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,720 for any particular reason, but just looking at what the team projects to be 363 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,240 I'm just less less, increasingly lesson, decreasingly enthused, I guess would be 364 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,759 the right way to say that. Yeah, Westbrook still being there is not 365 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,720 a great look. I just but but again, like how much I mean 366 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,960 this is this is ultimately we should be penalizing them for having him on the 367 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:12,119 roster in the first place. We've that's been belabored forever. It's just he's 368 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,880 hard to trade, and he should be hard to trade. So it's a 369 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,880 factor and it's not helpful, but it's not like the end all be all. 370 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,559 The main thing is, like I don't think this team is better. 371 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:27,079 I think I think probably looking at it now, it's worse. Uh be 372 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,359 just even if you're just going the downgrade from Monk to Lonnie Walker, and 373 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,319 like you could defend the Lonnie Walker move, like he's just he's young enough 374 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,559 that you know he's had flashes of he's shot it great from three in one 375 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:42,880 season, and he was good after the trade deadline last year too, So 376 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,799 yeah, something is there. And I guess if you're gonna take flyers on 377 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,640 guys because that's sort of all you can afford to do, decent decent options, 378 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,079 So I mean it's still a D plus, Like it didn't fail him, 379 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,160 but like there's just no shooting on this team. Uh, there's there's 380 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,640 just not an nearly enough supporting talent. And like the really bad thing is 381 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,759 when you listed those guys that are unsigned, some of them started to like, 382 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,319 man, I think, well, geez a reason in Ellington, Like, 383 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,000 I think I might want those guys on the roster. And here's the 384 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,799 thing, nobody else does. Like they're unsigned. So the fact that looking 385 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:22,519 at the like discarded Lakers from last year makes me think, like those guys 386 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,599 could actually help. That tells me that the roster going in is not great. 387 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,880 Now. We love Toisconoy Anderson total agree there, but like he's not 388 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,559 a shooter, certainly not at volume. He's he's gonna be helpful in some 389 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,200 aspects. He's a great passer, he can play a lot of positions. 390 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,839 He had I think the highest one of the highest defensive versatility numbers on be 391 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,200 Ball Index from last year. He can guard everybody, but he's like I 392 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,519 mean you saw last year on a really good team, he's not going to 393 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,000 play. So that's just tells you where the Lakers are. So it's a 394 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:59,279 D plus. It could be lower if you really wanted to just kill him 395 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:03,240 for you know, not addressing the shooting. But you know, it's it's 396 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,359 not a good grade. It's it's spoiler. It's the worst of the division 397 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,720 for me by a considerable margin. I gave them a D plus and tried 398 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,240 not to bake in Russell Westbrook as much. Otherwise I would have given them 399 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,160 an F because the reality is is just like we can say, give up 400 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,880 the two picks for Kyrie Irving, we don't actually know if the Nets would 401 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,839 do that. That's just the assumption they wouldn't because if that were on the 402 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,960 table, don't you think that's done? Don't like it has to be done. 403 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,319 If the Nets said, hey, give us Russ and two picks, 404 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480 you mean yeah, yeah, for sure. And I'll ask you about the 405 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,559 rust stuff in a second and see whether that could technically elevate their grade. 406 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:41,000 It does, I think, let's get that in a minute. I was 407 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,319 happy about the Lonnie Walker signing until I saw, like, oh, they 408 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,880 didn't even get a player option like a team a team option. Excuse me 409 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,240 on that or not guarantee that was that was bad? And I know they're 410 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,559 trying to conserve their powder. But then did you really have to give him 411 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:56,079 the full Emily? What was his market? He was a restricted free agent? 412 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,720 But like if a mere Coffee was three year, eleven million O, 413 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,640 like a mere coffee has shown more to me, like to trust, to 414 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,720 be part of a team, like to be part of a larger ecosystem than 415 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,039 Lonnie Walker the Fourth. So I did not love that. And like you 416 00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:11,799 said, they failed to address the shooting. They could not And I'm not 417 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,759 digging them for losing Malikue Monk. They couldn't keep Malikue Monk. That's also 418 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,160 why when you're picking up distressed players as a team, I get why the 419 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,920 players roll the dice as a team get a team option, like and I 420 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,440 do think Lonnie Walker the fourth probably a situation where you could have had a 421 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:33,119 team option, uh, like and why Damian Lee player player option? Like 422 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,559 are we is this a is this a for real thing right now? Or 423 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,200 Damian Jones? I'm sorry. He showed a lot with the Kings last year, 424 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,359 some like from what I saw, like the and I didn't see a 425 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,920 ton of him, but like had some really nice offensive moments with them. 426 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,559 Why does he have a player option? Why? Why is he better than 427 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,559 some random minimum guy you could you could go get. I love the JTA 428 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,440 signing, and I think that's why I said it at the top of this 429 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:57,079 segment. I think that he should be part of their closing lineup, which 430 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,839 is also kind of harrowing when you really think about it. I thought the 431 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,720 Max Christy pick and then the subsequent contract was a good one for them, 432 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,640 But to just not have more shooting around Lebron where it's oh, who is 433 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,079 and don't include please don't include Lebron James and this I guess it's Kendrick Nunn. 434 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,079 But who's the best shooter on this team? I mean it would be 435 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,799 if I can't include Lebron and it's it's Nune. I think I just I 436 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,119 mean, well, in terms of guys that can actually get up enough shots 437 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,720 for it to like actually matter, because there's a there's a scenario where JTA 438 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,119 takes like point seven three is a game and shoots thirty eight percent or something 439 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,440 like that. Yeah, so that just doesn't matter. And just like the 440 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,799 I saw like people on linkers who are talking about Troy Brown Junior is like 441 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,640 a three in D like almost wingish type player. I'm gonna let you know 442 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,960 right now, that is not what he has even hinted at being in the 443 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:47,599 NBA. He's actually been better defensively than I could have expected. The three 444 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,720 ball has not been something that I've just been like trusting he could maybe do 445 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,640 stuff off the dribble, but hey, so can Russ and Lebron and Kendrick 446 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,440 Nunn and Lonnie Walker the fourth. Now I like that Thomas Bryant signing, 447 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,599 like, is he the best shooter on this team? I mean he has 448 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,400 been he or like the last year he has the potential to be one of 449 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,759 the more meaningful shooters. Yeah, so I might even bump this up to 450 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,759 a C minus because there were some like stabs in the dark they took, 451 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,519 but there was nothing done that inspired confidence in me yet. And you know 452 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,119 what, I'm gonna give him, because they got the Lebron extension, I 453 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,119 need to bump this up to a C or see I'm gonna go see minus 454 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,000 just because the Lebron extension extension I think provides a level of clarity that matters. 455 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,559 So, now, are you a little bit if they're more comfortable trading 456 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,079 their picks because Lebron's here for guaranteed two years instead of one? Sure, 457 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,960 why not? And so like what else? Really, who are they going 458 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,640 to sign for the Yeah, Bruce Brown Junior would have made way more sense. 459 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,319 Here was he willing to go to the Lakers who apparently didn't want to 460 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:49,920 give out like player options to good players like or something like, So I 461 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,079 I'll go see minus but and I'll throw this to you here, the Russell 462 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:57,839 Westbrook, if they move him, has the potential to shoot that grade way 463 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,079 up. We would be in agreement. And would you do so the deal 464 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,400 the Kyrie one is if it's if it's ross the two first for Kyrie or 465 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,200 you doing it? I'd like to throw other scenarios at you to see if 466 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,880 you would do it. So I think, I it's so hard because like 467 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,759 I just I'm so out on Kyrie Irving as a player I want on my 468 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,839 team. But this is a different This is like the circumstance where I could 469 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000 it would check out logically to me. So, yeah, if if they 470 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,680 go rush in the twenty seven, it's twenty seven and twenty nine, right, 471 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,720 those are the first and they get Kyrie and I and like, I 472 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,720 don't know what that goes to. I'm probably going to like the B range 473 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,599 just just because who who can like this? If all you have is your 474 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,200 twenty seven and you're twenty nine, you're kind of already compromised in terms of 475 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,200 like your pick equity, so like and your way down the road. You 476 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,119 just extended Lebron like I think getting Irving in there, so then Kyrie Irving's 477 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,079 your best shooter, right, Like there's there's part of it that's okay. 478 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Yeah, yeah, that's fine, that's addressed. So if they did that, 479 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,400 great, But like some of the other packages, I don't know, 480 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,559 it's hard to say if how. I'd feel it to be a case by 481 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,599 case thing. But just like the Rust thing's not gonna work, it's so 482 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,160 if they don't do it. If they do, there are things we said 483 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:15,240 immediately after the Russell Westberg trade happened immediately and like really loudly, it was 484 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,480 not it was very comfortable out on that limb, Like I did not have 485 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:22,000 any doubt that I that that was gonna flip on me. And Lakers fans 486 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,759 have started to push back at least towards this podcast by saying, well, 487 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:27,839 the Lakers were the championship favored after that trade. That has no bearing on 488 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,880 reality, that's just based off of the action that was geared towards the Lakers 489 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000 championship odds. It's because of how many people make that exact argument that the 490 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,200 odds were what they were. It's like they're just trying to draw enough bets 491 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,279 on either side of the line. Yeah no, that's that's ridiculous. Yeah. 492 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,920 Well, so if say they do the Kyrie trade or something else, 493 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,359 like how high are you going? Probably plus, maybe in a minus because 494 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,039 the Lebron extension, Like right now, what I thought was interesting. Nate 495 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,960 Duncan pointed this out. Lebron signed it like basically the day after it ensured 496 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,039 he could not be traded next season, like because of the six month rule, 497 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,119 and so like you could argue, well, now you have no flexibility 498 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:08,200 because you can't trade Lebron where you don't have Kyrie. But all of a 499 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,400 sudden, that's not that's not unpalatable and you were never trading Lebron to begin 500 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240 with, Like what is that? Like? Get even getting into that discussion 501 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,119 is just harrowing. So I'd probably give b plus a minus range because like 502 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,240 I'm still not in the spot, like I guess I could go a minus 503 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,480 because I like Damien Jones, where if you're gonna tell me that you don't 504 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,839 want to prioritize cap space next year because you have Kyrie Irving, I don't 505 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,799 care that Damien Jones has that player option, so I might go as high 506 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,480 as a minus. You alluded to these other deals. Let me throw a 507 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,559 couple at you to see what you would do. Are you doing the two 508 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:42,359 first and Russ for Buddy Healed and Miles Turner? Yeah? I am. 509 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,119 I think I am, because you're getting too You're getting to like legitimate starting. 510 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,559 I mean Healed. We can argue about, but two legitimate starters and 511 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,799 the and the shooting. Jesus Christ, the shooting would just change the team. 512 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,839 And I think people have argued that Miles Turner wouldn't be part of the 513 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,559 Lakers closing lineup, So why are you gonna have two first round picks? 514 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,799 One? He has a better chance of being part of good closing lineups than 515 00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,720 Russy, And just like Anthony Davis, there's eighty two other games where he 516 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,279 doesn't want a place center and so like Miles Turner certainly matters the jazz scenarios 517 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:19,039 that are being mannied about what combination if it's let's say it's boy On mcdonovich, 518 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,559 Malik Beasley, and Patrick Beverley for Russ. Are you giving up two 519 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,880 first round picks for that? Those are all expiring contracts. Malie Beasley as 520 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,000 a team option. But that's harder. I mean, it's, well, 521 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:37,599 it's Beasley, Russ or Beasley, Bogdanovich and Beverly. I don't know if 522 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,039 that's quite it. I'm trying to get away with Russ and one of the 523 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:45,480 picks. I think. I think Bogdanovitch might be worth a first round pick 524 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200 on his own, like a lower level one. I get this is into 525 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,200 the future, but like Malik Beasley helps them out more. I think the 526 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,680 one first round pick stuff only starts to fly if Conley's deal has become such 527 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,319 a net negative that teams have decided, Oh, that fifteen million dollars Marshall 528 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:06,319 guarantee in twenty three twenty four is a problem. And my whole thing is 529 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,920 that if I was the Lakers, I might still give up tw first round 530 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,359 picks that because my commy was good last year. People just have a sour 531 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920 taste in his mouth because of the postseason. So if it was Conley, 532 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,319 Beasley and Modanovitch. I might still give up the two first. I think 533 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,799 it's less inspiring than some of the other packages for what you're trying to project 534 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,680 a headlong term, but you already hit on it. Fuck long term, 535 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,160 you have Lebron and right now, so I would do it. I don't. 536 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,839 I'm trying to think of scenario where you could give up one first round 537 00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:34,640 pick and get better, and I think the scenario would be and it'd be 538 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,920 a negligible needle. But it's like Fourner and Randall for Russ, Like, 539 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,839 is that a deal you're doing no picks involved, or even doing that if 540 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,440 you're the Lakers. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I really 541 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,000 want Russ off this team so bad if I'm the Laker. So I mean, 542 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:52,200 what about is the Gordon Hayward stuff, Like there's just just to have 543 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,759 salary ballast? They're like, I don't know what you have to give up 544 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:59,079 with us to Yeah, Like what is Charlotte doing in that scenario? I 545 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:00,640 don't want to Charlotte doing. I don't want to. I don't want to 546 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,960 talk about the Miles Bridges thing in basketball terms. But like you're only then 547 00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:08,199 doing that if you're trying to rebuild, right because you want to get off 548 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,199 long term money. They have not acted like a team that's trying to do 549 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,039 that, and so I don't know what they And my point on Bridges was 550 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:20,679 like, you kind of need Gordon Hayward now because obviously so well you need 551 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,079 them to do to do what to try to finish seven. But that's your 552 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,199 first of all, that's way too high obviously, like you need them to 553 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,280 do what you've always been trying to do, what you finish between eight and 554 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,119 eleven. Yeah, right, that's it. Those are the only teams that 555 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,159 I can like reasonably think, I guess, so the one I thought about 556 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,320 that's just not being discussed. Would you do one first round pick Russ into 557 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:49,159 San Antonio's cap space for Josh Richardson Russ a first for Josh Richardson. And 558 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,960 if you're the Spurs, like maybe the Lakers are throwing, you would swap 559 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,559 in twenty eight like this, But I wouldn't give up two first round picks 560 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:59,440 because you're getting one player. But if you're the Lakers, who run themselves 561 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,320 like a mom and pop shop, you're saving a boltload of money for this 562 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,760 season by going from Russ to Jay rich I think that's a hard sell to 563 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,679 like Lebron Anthony Davis, like the I think if Russ is going, they 564 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,840 gotta get some like Richardson's would start, right, But yeah, I don't. 565 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,559 I don't know that's well. The Spurs should be talked about just generally 566 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,519 more for any of these deals, like because they're just they can be the 567 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:30,079 dumping ground. What about Doug McDermott Josh Richardson for Russ and the first. 568 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,679 I think I'd do that, just give me some shooting, you know. 569 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,960 The shooting is a big I think the Lakers could argue they'd prefer to not 570 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,559 get McDermott so that they have the money off their books next year. But 571 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,119 I would do the one first. And if I'm the Spurs, it's like 572 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,840 I'm waving Russ immediately, but I don't have to get involved in the trade 573 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,840 deadline with anyone. I got rid of my cap space and we're all in 574 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,800 on Victor Woman Yama and Scoot Henderson. I kind of like that for both 575 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,119 sides. But there's going to be there will be people on Lakers in Lakers 576 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,039 circles that will be mad if they get up a first round pick for Josh 577 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,599 Richardson. I get it Lebron might be one of them, to be honest, 578 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,679 but well, yeah, that's true too. That's not good. The 579 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,360 Lakers are in trouble. I went to a C minus though you gave them 580 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,320 a D plus. The next team up is they're really kind of an interesting 581 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,280 team, even though technically they didn't do anything. Splash. Let's get them 582 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:22,239 up on the screen. The Phoenix Suns. Their notable moves include they resigned 583 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,159 DeAndre into a four year, one hundred thirty three million dollars deal by way 584 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:29,840 of matching Indie's offer sheet. No trade bonuses, no player option at the 585 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,320 end of this deal. Just a good piece of business for Phoenix, I 586 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,840 guess. Signed em And Booker to a four year, two hundred and twenty 587 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,000 four point two million dollars extension, ten percent trade kicker, no player options, 588 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,719 and believe it or not, this deal we'll take Demn Booker through his 589 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,440 age thirty season. That dude is so young. Signed Monty Williams to a 590 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,199 multi year contract extension not a contraction, which it says on the screen. 591 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,920 Signed Damian Lee to a one year minimum. Signed Josh Akogi to a one 592 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,079 year vet Minimum, signed ish Wayne Right to a two way deal, signed 593 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,920 Dwayne Washington Junior to do a two way deal. It's fun because the Pacers 594 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,280 waved Dwayne Washington Junior so that they could make room for the deontrate and offer 595 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,320 sheet, and then he ends up signing in Phoenix after Deandreton does, and 596 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:14,239 they acquired Jock Landell from the Hawks for cash. Notable exits Javal McGee signed 597 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,159 with the MAVs, Frank Kimitsky signed with the Hawks, Aaron Holliday signed with 598 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:21,280 the Hawks, and Elfred Peyton this is the biggest one. He remains unsigned 599 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,679 very quickly. I feel like we've had a lot of instances where when I've 600 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:28,880 looked at the notable exits exits, it's been this team lost two players who 601 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,599 signed with the same team. Like interesting, so just at least in this 602 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,519 podcast, like so the Lakers with the Kings, so that that type of 603 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,159 stuff. But anyway, what grade did you give the Phoenix Suns? This 604 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,400 is actually the one I've been dying to know about the next two teams. 605 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,559 Actually, I find you have had the most fascinating offseason, so I'm dying 606 00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,239 to know what you gave the Suns. So this was a C in July 607 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,199 because they and stuff hadn't happened yet, and I moved it up all the 608 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,159 way to a B plus. And I don't think I don't know if the 609 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,119 Booker thing. I don't think the Booker extension was factored in. Start with 610 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:07,400 the Booker, Like the Booker extension is he's worth that money, there's the 611 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,840 and the Sun's basically get him for the rest of his early prime and he's 612 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,559 locked in. There's no options, like this is set, Your superstar foundation 613 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,519 is set. I think we I think we agree that Booker is at that 614 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,480 level. So that's great. And then the eight. The way that the 615 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,440 eight and thing played out, it like, look, this is the type 616 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,440 of thing that could just have ripple effects and he could be unhappy all year 617 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:36,519 and that could you know, throw a legit contender off course. But theoretically 618 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,119 he felt the same way last year. And the only difference now is he 619 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:42,880 has one hundred and thirty three million dollars, Like so if that's if the 620 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,440 type of gaming system set up, he could buy them just the I mean 621 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,760 think of the ergonomic chairs. I mean, no spare, no expense, 622 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,360 can you get like an Eames gaming chair of those like, you know, 623 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,280 five thousand dollars share. So but so, like teams don't really do this 624 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,280 that often. And this was an interesting circumstance because we're talking about a number 625 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,920 one overall pick that's playing for a contender that is still on his rookie deal. 626 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,960 Essentially when all this was happening, I kind of like how the Suns 627 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,719 did it. They basically said, like, go out and prove that there's 628 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,960 a market at a certain level for you. Maybe they weren't even communicating, 629 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,800 they probably didn't say this to him, but the implication was, go prove 630 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,199 what you're worth and then we'll decide if we want to do that. And 631 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,440 like immediately, immediately they decided, yeah, that's fine, and it's just 632 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,920 asset preservation. Whether they view Aiden as a key piece down the road or 633 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,960 not, it's clear that there is a market for him at this rate. 634 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,360 And that was with a small number of teams able to bid, So you 635 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,519 have to assume that with more teams able to had more teams been able to 636 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,280 pay him the max their four year maxes he would have had, there would 637 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,000 have been way more opportunities. So, like, this is what he's worth. 638 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,480 So you can trade him at this number, I think for value most 639 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,639 likely, like you can get back value. You're not attaching anything to get 640 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,280 off DeAndre Aden's money. So I just like the line. I liked that 641 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,199 they didn't do anything earlier than they had to. I liked that they said, 642 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,239 we'll just pay what we think you're worth and you go decide. You 643 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,320 let the market decide what that is. So it's like the roster didn't meaningfully 644 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,920 change, but just the way that the Sun's sort of conducted things. I 645 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,840 think they went about it the right way. And if the downside is you 646 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,440 pissed off Aden, I think he was already upset and like, that's fine, 647 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,920 you can trade him after the restriction expires very quickly. I forgot to 648 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,039 include that they resigned Bismack Biyombo two, which to a one year of fat 649 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,840 minimum, to not write it that actually matters because you let Javal McGee walk. 650 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,960 I'm with everything you said. So I flirted with giving them an A 651 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,079 minus and went with a B plot. But the Devin Booker extension is no 652 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:44,400 player option. Yeah, like, how is that that is such a huge 653 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800 win for them? I think it's also I didn't factor this in but it's 654 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,480 a win that Kevin Durant wanted to come and play with Devin Booker first, 655 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,480 Chris Paul, now Kevin Durant. And I know people have been like, 656 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,559 well, think about everyone who says like they've wanted hooped with all these guys 657 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,719 who can score, and I'm like, saying, you want like Jamal Crawford's 658 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,719 act slock Hooper is different from being like, I want to go play with 659 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,199 Devin Booker. So that's a win for them even if they don't end up 660 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,079 with KD. I just like, why not just offered DeAndre eight and a 661 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:15,559 submax five year deal at the start of free agency, and I like to 662 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:20,559 leave it to chance. Just felt weird because if you offered this exact contract, 663 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,320 like you had to know deep down that there would be a team that 664 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920 was gonna give them them, especially like when the Pacers were skulking around, 665 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,519 and I know at some point you were trying to keep your Kevin Durant trade 666 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,039 options open. I understand that, but it just feels like they could have 667 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,679 taken a lot Like I agree with the way that they played it, but 668 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,880 I feel like they still could have played it better because you have to know 669 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,079 like the way that free agency works, Like this Indiana interest did not come 670 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:50,719 out of nowhere, and so it's finally went out. But they so this 671 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,760 is a very ramy way of me getting to the point of it feels like 672 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,760 they treated this eight and contract as it's going to probably be a net negative 673 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,800 for them towards the end, even though the salary cap is going up, 674 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,320 even though he's young. I get not wanting to pay a non superstar center 675 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,719 that much money. DeAndre Ayton's a top ten center in the league. He 676 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,599 might he's like flirting around the like top five, he might be top five 677 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,519 already. Like if you're gonna tick off the ones that are absolutely better than 678 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,159 him, you get into Yokis, you get into a bead. Karl Anthony 679 00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:21,639 Towns is still there. Uh. And then after that is like anyone who's 680 00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,079 guaranteed, I'm sure I'm missing at least somebody, Like some people might say 681 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:28,760 Clink Capella, but it's probably DeAndre Ayden. You may be under selling it. 682 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,840 He's sure, but he's young enough, and like I think probably now 683 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,159 there's enough smoke for there to be fire with respect to like his professionalism and 684 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:42,039 like work habits and stuff. Like he's an adjustment in those areas away from 685 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,880 being even better than than we're saying he is, Like they're the there's still 686 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,320 like major, he's a number one overall pick, like any sort of by 687 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,320 all accounts is not super serious about basketball, Like that's that's bad, but 688 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,480 like that can change too. I just I don't even know if I buy 689 00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:59,559 into that as much. This is just like some of the spin that's come 690 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,719 out. So but he and he was good and just like the way and 691 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,039 I also think there's like this it's deserved because you to go out in a 692 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,599 game seven like the Suns did, which was bad, and but like they 693 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,119 still won like a trillion games, and so they're a really good team. 694 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:20,679 I think they played this. I don't I think they played this well. 695 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,679 I don't think they played it optimally. Is really what it was with Etan? 696 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,199 Why not offer him a five year submax and if he doesn't take it, 697 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,039 then you kind of save face there. And if he does, now 698 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:36,360 you have him on like locked up on market value at worst for the life 699 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,400 of this contract with the cat going up. And I didn't ding them for 700 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,800 this because I don't know who they would have signed, but to not like 701 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,840 get like they didn't spend the Mini mL, and I don't really have a 702 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,079 problem with that looking at who they might have realistically had a chance at. 703 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,400 But they do need like someone different from campaign as the ball handler, preferably 704 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:00,079 someone bigger who puts more pressure on the rim. That being said, we're 705 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,280 you getting that with the Mini mL. So I'm at the point where the 706 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440 Suns are at the level where it's like, well, you should just spend 707 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,280 it anyway, like if there's anybody out there who's even kind of sort of 708 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,400 worth it. But like they didn't need Bruce Brown, I guess if you 709 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,039 had Tory Craig, who's back. So I like, I didn't know how 710 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:16,280 to what to make of that. It was mostly the eight and stuff for 711 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,480 me, But I think the I like the extension for Monty Williams as well. 712 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:23,599 And I actually kind of like the I know he didn't play with the 713 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,920 I know he wasn't playing with the Warrior steadily towards season, but having Damian 714 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,159 Lee, I like that as a flyer on, like just a wing who 715 00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,559 can shoot and move off the ball and also hold up defensively. So I 716 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,639 think it was a good offseason Kevin Durant stuff obviously looms over them. But 717 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,480 they could have played it better, but not much better, I guess is 718 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,599 what we're getting at. I'm asking because I don't know the answer. I'm 719 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,920 not sure what my opinion. Do you think that the way they played the 720 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,960 eight in situation was at least partially motivated by well, what if? And 721 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:59,079 maybe the Pacers were just the wrong team for this, But what if there's 722 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,159 a sign and trade out there that we're going to lose the opportunity to execute? 723 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,119 Uh if if we do the five year SUBMACS deal? Like I wonder 724 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,480 because the Turner thing always made sense that there were a bunch of like base 725 00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:15,800 year compensation issues with trying to concoct eight in trades. But the Turner thing 726 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,960 actually, as I recall, actually worked like he you know, his salary 727 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,239 would have been You could you could have done it. You could have done 728 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,079 a sign and trade for eight with for the principles being eaten to the Pacers 729 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,280 and Turner coming back. I wonder if the reason they didn't just sign it 730 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,320 in sooner is because they were thinking, like, this is a possibility. 731 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,000 But but I don't know, I mean, does that make any difference to 732 00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,840 you, do you think that was a factor? So you're saying something. 733 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,519 So you're saying the Suns didn't sign Eighten because they thought he could be involved 734 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,880 in the KD trade or just to turn that instead of him just signing an 735 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,639 offer sheet with Indie, they could have worked out a sign and trade. 736 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,039 So the reporting was that Indie wanted to work out assign and trade because he 737 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,079 signing that. Wouldn't that be better? Don't you think that'd be better for 738 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,199 the Suns? Yeah? Maybe it could. I mean, I do you 739 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,960 think Turner's a defensive upgrade over Eighten? I don't think he's appreciated enough defense 740 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,039 lean. He obviously spaces the floor, but what are you gonna pay? 741 00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,039 I guess he'd be cheaper than Eighten. Moving forward to after this deal, 742 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,199 the rebounding gets worse for you and you're not going to be like, if, 743 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,199 now, who's your best rebounder without DeAndre mare is it? I guess 744 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,599 it would it be Miles Turner. And if it's not, that's that's an 745 00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,960 issue. And as I think about it, I think I think maybe the 746 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,480 idea would would have been that what we can potentially get if we have to 747 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,400 trade a disgruntled Eton on this new deal is more valuable than Miles Turner in 748 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,840 the last year of his deal, and whatever we have to pay him. 749 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,679 And look, maybe maybe it was as simple as they were gonna offer eight 750 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,320 and something, but then the Kevin Durant scenario like that was they knew that 751 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,519 was deteriorating. They knew he'd be on his list, and they were like, 752 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,639 well, if we can reroute DeAndre and his part of this, Like, 753 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,239 no one's off the table aside for Booker and Chris Paul and everything that 754 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,480 we're talking about. So that's not even an insult to eight. And I 755 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,000 still just think, like I get why they didn't sign him to the extension 756 00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,639 last year, And to be fair, it seemed like there was very much 757 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,079 one team that was gonna sign him to the max unless Detroit went after Durhin 758 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,239 in part because they thought that Eton and Indie were married to each other. 759 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:14,079 So as my workphone goes off in the background, uh, spoiler or it's 760 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,800 not about a Donovan Mitchell trade. But yeah, so I just I think 761 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,079 it was a good quality off season. I don't think they did anything wrong 762 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:22,320 or missed out on any opportunities. And even if you go through, who's 763 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,519 the best player who actually signed a mini midlevel deal this summer, it's either 764 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,000 Joe Engles or Lonnie Walker the fourth I think, And so it's like, 765 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,480 you know whatever. So yeah, I don't think they missed out on anything, 766 00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:37,719 but the Sun's B pluses from both of us, I think. Or 767 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,239 do you give him an A minus? Not it's a B plus for me. 768 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,000 Let's move on to the final team, which was also fascinating, maybe 769 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:49,239 morbidly so, the Sacramento Kings. Let me throw them up on the screen 770 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,320 before I go through them. So they signed Mike Brown to a four year 771 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,440 contract to be their new head coach. They drafted Keka Murray at number four. 772 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,760 They trade number thirty seven, Jayon Hardy to Dallas for two second rounders 773 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,800 one two twenty four one. In two twenty eight, they traded Kevin Hurder 774 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,480 to the Hawks. Now, if you're watching this on the screen, I'll 775 00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:09,679 change it live. They traded m No, they traded they acquired Oh my 776 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,719 god, myke typee. I'm fixing him when no one else is going to 777 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,320 see it. They acquired Kevin Hurder from the Hawks. Four Maurice Harkless Justin 778 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,679 Holiday and a twenty twenty four first round pick that is Lotto protected in twenty 779 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,199 twenty four, top twelve protected in two thousand and twenty five, top ten 780 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,239 protected in two thousand and twenty six, then turns into two, then turns 781 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,239 into a two thousand and twenty six second. Trey Lyles picked up his player 782 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,360 option. They signed the League Monk to a two year nineteen point four million 783 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,039 dollars deal. They signed Shima Moneke to a two year two point seven million 784 00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:43,800 dollars deal. They guarantees on January ten, second year non guaranteed. They 785 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,280 signed Matthew Delvedova to a partially guaranteed one year VET minimum contract. They signed 786 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,400 Kemp Baysmore to a VET minimum contract. They signed Sam Merrill to a two 787 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,239 year three point eight million dollars deal that guarantees on July January tenth, excuse 788 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,760 me, second years non guaranteed. They signed Kazyak Pollo to a two year 789 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,199 deal. I could not find info on the exact cost. They signed that 790 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,480 he missed Kata to a two way contract. Notable exits. Damien Jones signed 791 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,159 with the Sons. Dante de Vincenzo signed with the Warriors. And Jeremy Land 792 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:19,280 and Josh Jackson remain on signed grant. What grade did you give your Sacramento 793 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,760 Kings? Your are Sacramento Kings. Don't saddle me with the Kings. They 794 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800 would want me, though, because all they want are things and people that 795 00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,079 are associated with the Warriors, So I would I would be very much on 796 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:36,119 their list. This is a C plus and I feel really uncomfortable with it 797 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,239 because the only move I definitely like is the Herder trade, and even that 798 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,159 has a lot of risk, although they basically if it's a really high pick, 799 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,440 the Kings will not surrender it. But the Kings, you could argue, 800 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,679 are a team that just should never be trading first round picks under any 801 00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:54,559 circumstances. So I like the Herder trade. I think he's really gonna help. 802 00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,920 I love the how much secondary playmaking this offense has now between him and 803 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,679 Sabonis in support of Fox, because I'm starting to think that Deer and Fox 804 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,679 might just be like, he's kind of a scorer first, I think, 805 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,519 and I think maybe if you can take the ball out of his hands, 806 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,159 not because he's a shooter, but get him on the move, get him 807 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:16,920 in advantage situations like create a Utah Jazz like offense where he gets it with 808 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,960 the head of steam. He's just more of a scorer, I think potentially, 809 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,639 So I like the theory behind that. I am uninspired by the Mike 810 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:32,199 Brown hire. I think I just think he has not impressed me as a 811 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,159 head coach. He's been a great assistant, like that's all I feel confident 812 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,840 saying about him, and a super good guy. And I think the Warriors 813 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,280 luster really mattered a lot for the Kings because they care about that. So 814 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,280 the Murray, the Keegan Murray pick looked way better in Summer League than I 815 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,199 thought. I'm still not ready after just a summer league session basically to say 816 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,760 that that was the right pick over Jay and Ivey. I'm always gonna want 817 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,440 to guard over a forward, and I just still have questions about Murray athletically 818 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,920 defensively, if he's more than like really going to be like a spot shooter, 819 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,679 I don't know yet. So it's a C plus basically because a hurd 820 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,400 monk is fine. But this again like zooming all the way out. This 821 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:21,559 offense could be very good and this team could be very exciting. This team's 822 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,920 defense has been absolutely terrible. Forever and they did nothing to address that. 823 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,360 So unless you're a top five offense in the league, you're not making the 824 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,679 playoffs. You're you're gonna get bounced at best in the first round of the 825 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,800 play in and you're done. So a big picture, they just there's just 826 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,800 like such a one way construction to this team that makes it almost impossible for 827 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,760 them to win more than they lose. I am them a B minus because 828 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,519 I feel like Mike Brown is going to at least care about defense and that's 829 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,599 going to help them in the long run with this personnel, and I like 830 00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:00,000 that. I agree with you the long term vision. It just doesn't feel 831 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:04,239 aimless. They've decided let's surround some bonus and darn Fox with a shit ton 832 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,760 of shooting, and they are worse models to go. I'm a bigger believer 833 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,400 in Keegan Murray than you. I think the motion shooting is there for him. 834 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,039 I still don't know how I feel about him athletically on defense, and 835 00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:17,840 they need him to be like good on like him and Harrison Barnes and Damian 836 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,679 Mitchell are like the backbone of their defense at this point. I also think 837 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,719 like the Kevin Hurder trade, I like, but I also don't like it 838 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,119 because never mind that you gave up a first round pick, it's protected so 839 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:35,280 long that you've now handcuffed your ability to go out and make other trades because 840 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,800 you haven't. And that's part of my issue with what they did this offseason. 841 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:40,559 You did not take a material step forward in either direction. I don't 842 00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:45,159 think you got progressively worse. I don't think you got more than incrementally better. 843 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:51,000 And you're still like, who are the teams in this conference that are 844 00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,119 definitely worse than the Kings this year? And I will I'll say the Thunder, 845 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,079 the Rockets, the Spurs, and I'll say the Jazz just because they 846 00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,960 don't want to be better than Kings. That's it. And so you now 847 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,079 have to be that one other team aside from those four to make the play 848 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,599 in And I don't know if the path is as clear there. And this 849 00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:12,079 is coming from someone who's like, I'm incredibly high on Darren Fox. Still 850 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,599 i'd like to see him put it together for more than just like three quarters 851 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:16,679 of a season. The other thing, I think we need to be not 852 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:22,599 just more cognizant of the Kings traded Tyres Haliburton in part because like they were 853 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,199 trying to maximize darn Fox, but they just weren't high on that perry. 854 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,480 Moving forward, we then wanted them to draft Jade and Ivy, who was 855 00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,239 more of an because Haliburton, to me, was not an iffy fit alongside 856 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,480 Daron Fox. No, that was the wrong decision. Can we agree like 857 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:39,079 that? Trading Haliburton I think was objectively a mistake, especially for Sabonus. 858 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,039 I do think it was a mistake, but to me it doesn't and the 859 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,840 fit with Sibonus and Fox is better than I expected offensively, and that of 860 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,519 course doesn't come into play here. I'm almost saying like I couldn't even if 861 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:52,880 I thought Jay and Ivy is gonna be the better player, I'm honestly not 862 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,280 sure we would have like killed the Kings because they just got rid of Haliburton, 863 00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:00,639 who was a cleaner fit next to Fox than Jay and Ivy ever would 864 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,800 have been. So I would have I would have killed them. I wouldn't 865 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,800 have killed them for because I think picking Ivy would have been the right decision. 866 00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:10,679 I think they've just made the wrong decision twice in a row. Basically, 867 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,440 That's how I would look at and like, look, maybe Ivy IVY 868 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,960 could be a zero, like we don't know, like they're just it's too 869 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,599 early, like, but I just thought that like moving Halliburton was wrong, 870 00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,719 and then not drafting Ivy was wrong. And I think I felt really confident 871 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,719 about the first one, and I guess we'll see on the second. Yeah, 872 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,880 so I even feel like a B minus. Maybe it's like too generous, 873 00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,239 but I think that they didn't do anything nuclear, which is good to 874 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,559 get better. And if you had told me, my original qualm would have 875 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,239 been, well, if they did something nuclear to get worse and just start 876 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,199 this thing entirely over that, yes, I could give them a higher grade, 877 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,239 but at this point, like if you were ever going to do that, 878 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,039 Haliburton should have still been on your team, and there is to me, 879 00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:59,519 there still feels like a lack of innovation here because I do feel like 880 00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:04,519 they're show concerned with ending the playoff drought in any sort of context that they 881 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:08,159 would be satisfied with being ninth. And she's like, that doesn't do it 882 00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:12,360 for me. When you traded something like Haliburton and there were I don't know 883 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,840 what other offseason moves they could have made, but I don't think I feel 884 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,000 confident in any of their moves panning out in their favor. Like Malik Monk, 885 00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,440 I think is just very plug and play here and can fit. Does 886 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,920 he maximize this roster in the context of the playoff discussion. No, Again, 887 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,599 the Kevin Hurder thing very good. Can do some secondary stuff off the 888 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,800 dribble, good shooter that that's going to be valuable around Fox and Sabonus, 889 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,000 especially if you still get planning and getting out in transition. There's also just 890 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:38,760 like, why is Rashaun Holmes still on this team? Is this trade value 891 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,280 cratered? I know he was dealing with off court custody battle with his son, 892 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,760 and I hope his son is okay. I just like, and he's 893 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,360 a good player. Looking at the on the court stuff, he's really good. 894 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,199 And so you look at us, Oh, when Rashawn Holmes, you're 895 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,119 back up five, that's great. Why like Rashawn holmesbody's a starting center in 896 00:55:55,159 --> 00:56:00,519 the league. So there does still feel like not an aimlessness, but failure 897 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:05,679 to put together something here. But I just like nothing was detrimental and relative 898 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,559 and there were stuff to like actually like or be like, I'm okay with 899 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:13,079 the Brown signing. I like the vision with Murray. I like that monk 900 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,000 just like can really give you that blast of shooting and just like even some 901 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,639 some downhill shooting, like not get to the rim, but the stop and 902 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,559 pops there. But I'm not high on them to make the playoffs next season, 903 00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,480 which is why maybe I was too generous, but I ended up going 904 00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:27,840 to be minus. No. I mean we're in the same range. We 905 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,239 both gave them an above average grade, right like they did better than average. 906 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,800 I just yeah, I mean a lack of a lack of a direction, 907 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,000 a lack of commitmental lack of a plan is like nothing new. That's 908 00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,960 like the defining feature I feel. I mean, the plan is to like 909 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,360 try to try to finish. It used to be let's try to finish eight, 910 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,960 and now it's like let's probably still is like it's it's made the play 911 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,000 and I don't even think they can't be. Let's let's just very quickly because 912 00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,159 we have to get out of here. The teams that are better in the 913 00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:58,800 West than the Kings, without a shadow of a doubt, the Clippers, 914 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,880 the nugget to do the worst ones do the worst. I'm just saying, 915 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,239 But like I would say there's definitely six. There's the Clippers, the Nuggets, 916 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,199 the Warriors, the Sons. Uh. I would probably throw the Timberwolves 917 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:14,679 are definitely better than the Kings there at this point, my spiciest take might 918 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,679 be that the Kings have a better chance of being better than the Mavericks than 919 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,400 the Pelicans. So just to just to go through like so, I think, 920 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:28,159 depending on what happens with the Lakers, no question the Thunder, Rockets, 921 00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:30,880 and Spurs will be worse than the Kings, and I would want to 922 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,360 do that. There is a question about the Thunder because I think that they're 923 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,239 the next title team, but please, you know what, that's actually not 924 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,920 crazy. I would say that it is like it is catastrophic if the Kings 925 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,920 finished behind any of those teams, just total disaster, unless Utah just decides 926 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,400 to trade for Kevin Durant with all the picks they got from the Golbart trade 927 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,360 and run it with Mitchell and they're really competing with the Lakers. What for 928 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,360 tenth in the conference? Is that what we're saying? Yeah, so, 929 00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,599 and I will say this, King's fans who are spectacle clear by the way, 930 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,000 like Kings fans are very self aware, and they remain so passionate about 931 00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:07,119 a team that the organization itself, the people in charge have seldom deserved it. 932 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,199 So I love them. They should want these grades to be worse, 933 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,360 I think, because I kind of feel like we're sort of like allowing them 934 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,000 too much of a curve here or too much runway, and I hope we're 935 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,320 not. But B minus C plus both above average grades. We've wrapped up 936 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:29,159 the offseason grades. This was spectacular. Follow Grant on Twitter at gt Underscore 937 00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:31,239 Hughes, the rest of the socials, including minor in the podcast and YouTube 938 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,199 descriptions, join our discord. Grant is not lurking, but I am, 939 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,880 and the links to that are in the podcast and YouTube description. Please consider 940 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,360 subscribing to us in general, if you have not already, and if you're 941 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,719 just listening to us because it's offseason, there's dearth of content. 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