WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:35.079 Welcome to USO Thinks Tom Craigio with your host Alejandeloopa. Thank you for that 2 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:40.719 lovely introduction, Computer lady. Would that be neat if I had like this 3 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:47.079 robotic engineer working my show, that would really be very cool. That's the 4 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:53.280 illusion that I am trying to make you believe with that robotic voice. But 5 00:00:53.719 --> 00:01:00.799 unfortunately that is not the case. Although artificial intelligence can news to astound us. 6 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.280 What was the game? Oh? I was watching a show where it 7 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:11.040 was the Alex Trebec show. What is that one where you have to ask 8 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:17.400 the question? Geez, I can't believe I can't remember the name of this 9 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.000 anyway, it was this game show. They're beating us at chess. They're 10 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.159 beating us at all of these game shows. I mean, what's going on 11 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:34.599 here? AI will be taking over regardless. Hello everyone, and welcome to 12 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:42.400 UFO Think Tank Radio. I am Alejandro Rojason. We have a wonderful show 13 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:49.439 for you today. Our guest is Randy Nickerson. He is working on a 14 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:57.040 documentary that he is doing in conjunction with the John mac Foundation. Yes, 15 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:04.719 that is the John Mack who was a Harvard professor of psychology, Politzer Prize 16 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:12.439 winning biographer to E. Lawrence who wrote about interesting enough. And so this 17 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.400 was, you know, a respected gentleman in he had filled who started getting 18 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:25.800 involved with the paranormal and abduction phenomenon in particular, actually brought into the field 19 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:32.000 by Bud Hopkins, our good friend. Anyway, what happened is John Mack 20 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:38.360 was invited to look at this incredible case in Ruwa, Zimbabwe at the aerial 21 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:45.120 school where a bunch of children had claimed I mean a dozens, tens of 22 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:51.400 dozens of children who claimed to have seen a craft land in the school yard. 23 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.599 And these two entities come out and one of them moved towards them and 24 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.759 very interesting. So if some of you have probably seen some of these interviews, 25 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:06.360 if you have not, then google this, go to YouTube. Trust 26 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.919 me, very very interesting to see these children. And John mac being a 27 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:20.919 psychologist, was worked with children and he just does a wonderful job interviewing these 28 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:25.479 children and trying out the information about what they had seen. And you can 29 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.879 tell, you know, in the way that these children speak that they're very 30 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.520 genuine. I think they come across as very honest. They're very very young, 31 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:43.039 eight to twelve years old, and so it's an amazing case. Since 32 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:49.199 then, Randy Nickerson, working on this project, has gone back and interviewed 33 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.960 these children who are now in their twenties to see if their stories remain the 34 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.800 same, and he says, yes, they do. That these kids are 35 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.800 not backing down. This is what they saw. So it's a terribly interesting 36 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:08.879 case. Is what Randy Nickerson has found by revisiting this case. I think 37 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.479 it's very significant, and so we'll have him on the show to talk about 38 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.959 this. And I cannot wait till this documentary comes out. So I've been 39 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:23.199 waiting for a while for this thing, and so it's great to be able 40 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:27.199 to catch up with Randy and to find out, Hey, when's this thing 41 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.279 coming out? Buddy? I want to see it, and so do my 42 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.680 listeners. So we're gonna have a lot of fun talking to mister Nickerson in 43 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:42.439 just a few after the UFO news. I want to remind you before we 44 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:46.839 get into the news, just real quick, because I'm just so excited about 45 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:53.480 this guys, and that, of course is my Cosmic Exploration conference. We 46 00:04:53.560 --> 00:05:00.839 have an incredible lineup of mainstream journalists, best selling off there, Leslie Kane, 47 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:05.160 who was on the show last week, and of course then some other 48 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:11.680 scientists and PhDs and professors and ex professors. And we've got Ben McGee who's 49 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.600 going to be on National Geographic here on this UFO show, but he's the 50 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.120 scientist guy, and he specializes in commercial space. He's going to talk about 51 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:26.600 the show in commercial space. We've got Ted Peters. He's a theologian. 52 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:34.319 He's a professor, and he also works in science and writes about theology and 53 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.639 science and has done a study on are we going to freak out? Are 54 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:43.839 the religion's going to freak out if it's announced that there are extraterrestrial civilizations? 55 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.560 He says no, and I have the study to prove it. And he's 56 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:51.079 got some interesting fact as to what they are going to or how people do 57 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:58.879 feel about this in regards to their religion and worldviews. So that's just a 58 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.839 little bit of what's going on. And I think this is really great because 59 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:08.879 I'm personally very excited in that. I think it's important because what we're doing. 60 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:15.560 What I'm doing is creating a space for scientists who are interested in this 61 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.480 field, and there are and some conventional scientists, I mean Jeffrey Bennett. 62 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:27.199 This is great. He's going to be talking about more conventional search for extraterrestrial 63 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:32.879 life. He is also a PhD and an author and an astronomer and a 64 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:42.759 physicist, astroists physics, astrophysics. How cool is that? Astrobiology is cool? 65 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:51.639 But astrophysics and astrobiology mixed together, that's astronomical astro cool, if you 66 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:57.160 ask me. So, I'm very excited about mister Bennett and his talking about 67 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:01.879 the more conventional side to the science. To this mixing together of all of 68 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:10.120 this is where we should be. You know, we're introducing UFOs to the 69 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:16.560 mainstream science dialogue, which is very important, and I think it's slowly moving 70 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.160 that way and we're just greasing those wheels, so be a part of it. 71 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:23.600 It's going to be a lot of fun. It's I think this is 72 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.879 going to be a historic event for our field. We're going to be moving 73 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.360 this forward. And if you want to go to the dinner, there's plenty 74 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.959 of seats, and I can always open up more seats when it comes to 75 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.480 the lectures, But if you want to go to the dinners, then you're 76 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.120 going to have to register as soon as possible. I really if you go 77 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.560 and look at these other conferences going on, I've really kept the price down 78 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:49.319 and as much as possible. Really, I'm not even getting as low as 79 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:55.519 I could possibly go without losing my shorts. I don't have ten thousand dollars 80 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.319 to blow on this whole thing, although I gladly would if I had that 81 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:03.959 kind of money, not to say that, and I've spent thousands of dollars 82 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:11.040 of my own money already in this field. But so the price is as 83 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.879 low as it can be. And this dinner is going to be fun because 84 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.160 the speakers will be there and we'll be able to mingle and communicate and network 85 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:26.279 and kind of create this community that can hopefully pierce the difficult, difficult show 86 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.559 of the conventional world in a serious manner. And I think we can do 87 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.080 this. People, we can do this together. Come join us. It's 88 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.440 going to be a lot of fun. It's Las Vegas, my goodness, 89 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.559 right in the middle of the strip, so you can go party once you're 90 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.440 done. Careful, you know, don't get too crazy. But of course 91 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.559 there's a lot of fun. See a show, go walk the strip. 92 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.039 I'm not a gambler or a drinker, but I love Vegas because I love 93 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:58.799 just to walk the strip and look at all these cool things they have there. 94 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.759 I mean they have I don't have to spend a dime on shows if 95 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.159 you just walk into up and down the strip. They have these giant waterfalls, 96 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.639 they have all these different shows out on the street, all these different 97 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:15.200 people, all this food, all of this glamour. It's just a very 98 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:20.080 fun place. So certainly some people say their spouse, O, my spouse 99 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.840 doesn't want to come, what am I gonna do? And you certainly have 100 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:30.000 a lot of things for your spouse to do at this venue. So it's 101 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.200 gonna be great to see you there. Come up and say hi, and 102 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.799 you can see a link to the site on UFO Daily News dot com. 103 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.600 You're already going to on a regular basis. Thank you for that. Your 104 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:46.919 patronage is much appreciated. But you'll see it at the top of the page. 105 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:52.639 And also if you go to cosmicx cosmicex dot com or I got two 106 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.440 u URLs Cosmic dash Exploration dot com. So I made sure we have lots 107 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.399 of URLs for this baby. This is a to url site. It took 108 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.960 two domains here, you Know's it enough for you people, because you, 109 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.679 you guys deserve it. You deserve at least too. You know, most 110 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.759 everybody's got one. I'm like, come on, my people are better than 111 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:24.200 that. They need to speaking of you all being deserving of the best. 112 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:33.000 I on a regular basis collect the best UFO news in the mainstream headlines out 113 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.159 there, and I bring that to you weekly, actually daily, practically hourly 114 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.320 if you're going to my site and looking at the feed, or you're you're 115 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:46.919 actually subscribed to the Twitter feed. So let's talk about this week. There's 116 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:52.200 been a lot going on here. Holy cow, look at all these URLs. 117 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:58.120 I got here to go through the first Huffington posts. And we talked 118 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:03.440 about this earlier because actually, my good Jason McLellan, when he was helping 119 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.440 us with the news, was talking about this, and now that it's actually 120 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:13.320 started, that is the San Diego County Fair. If you live in beautiful 121 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.360 San Diego, My goodness, what a beautiful place that is. It's not 122 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.080 too far from me, actually, and I'm happy about that. And I've 123 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:26.000 driven through and I've loved the area. And that is the San Diego County 124 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.080 Fair. What's so exciting about this Not only is it just in a beautiful 125 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:35.159 location, but much of the country's beautiful right now. It's summertime, baby, 126 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:43.759 where it's burning hot out here in Arizona. Anyway, they are doing 127 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:52.960 an extraterrestrial theme, extraterrestrial UFO theme at this San Diego County fair. How 128 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.559 interesting is that. It's kind of perplexing in a way though, And I'm 129 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.840 not disparaging. This is wonderful that they're doing the sap giant Ulfo models. 130 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:07.960 They got et stuff all over the place, they got a ring make of 131 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:16.360 the crashed Roswell UFO, a lot of cool stuff, But it doesn't look 132 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.720 like they're really including people who research this topic. It would have been really 133 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.759 neat if they would have had at least some people on this topic speaking. 134 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.279 And I'm not just saying me, you know, they could have I was 135 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.759 going to say they could have called me. There's plenty of people they could 136 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.440 have called. They could have called many of you. But there's many people 137 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.279 who are on the show that are great. I mean, there's plenty of 138 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:43.519 researchers they could have had come and speak, and they didn't really, so 139 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.200 they're kind of doing their own things. So that's kind of interesting. But 140 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:52.120 hey, people are really excited, you know. In this Uffington Post article. 141 00:12:52.639 --> 00:13:03.080 They interview ed mcride. He's works with movie fond So that's really exciting 142 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.759 that they're kind of at least getting that kind of information out. Oh and 143 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:13.799 I'm sorry I have the wrong name. It's Podell, Mel Podell of the 144 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.120 mouf on out in that area, who they talked to and interviewed him, 145 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.120 and he's really excited about it. Of course, so interesting. So if 146 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.080 you're in the cing of Diego area, you probably have already seen the commercials, 147 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.080 you know, go to Facebook and tell us about it. That'd be 148 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:33.360 really cool if you go. Mayo. The Daily Mayo also did a story 149 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.799 this week about Nick Pope. Of course, we've had Nick Pope on the 150 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:41.320 show. He's a good friend. I've had him at plenty of the conferences 151 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.399 I've had. In fact, when I organized the Roswell City Conferences just a 152 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.240 few years ago, I had him come to speak out there the first time, 153 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.000 and that was his first time in Roswell, so I was great to 154 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.840 be a part of that. Anyway, he worked for the Ministry of Defense 155 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.759 at their UFO desk from ninety one to ninety four, researching UFOs. He 156 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.799 was a skeptic when he started. He was a believer when he left, 157 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.360 and he's still talking about how we need to take this whole thing seriously. 158 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:18.000 And they interviewed him and they really kind of focused on one statement and of 159 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:24.360 course using it to you know, get as much play on this story as 160 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.639 they can, but essentially that he says, look for this guy at the 161 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:35.679 Olympics. The UFOs may be there. Really it's a whole conversation about how 162 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.200 there's something going on, how there is a phenomena here that we need to 163 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.039 pay attention to. They asked him about ets. He said, well, 164 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.080 you know, stuff like the Olympics would be a perfect place that they wanted 165 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.720 to show themselves to the public, somewhere that's a big event where there are 166 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:58.399 lots of people. So that's what he was talking about, and so they 167 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.759 ran with that headline a nick bo says there's going to be UFOs at the 168 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.080 Olympics. So he was just speculating, of course, that that would be 169 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:09.039 kind of the place to be if they wanted to kind of show themselves. 170 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.559 But it's great because he's so such a credible person and that the Daily Mail 171 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.600 has a story on him. This is kind of a space news story. 172 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.600 But I mean it's kind of a game changer as far as it comes to 173 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.039 space, and it's kind of crept up on us. So all of a 174 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:30.399 sudden, there's stories about China launching astronauts, and it's not like, oh, 175 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.360 China's got a plan to launch astronauts. It's like, no, this 176 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:41.600 month, they're launching three astronauts into space to go connect with orbiting experimental module. 177 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:48.120 One of these might be a female astronaut, and so this is really 178 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.240 exciting. I think, you know, there's space craft is called the Chanzau 179 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.559 nine spacecraft, and actually, you know, China's been open to this subject. 180 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:02.519 In fact, there's a big modern organization out there. And I've written 181 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:07.159 about this and I think talked about it somewhat, but it was their government. 182 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.279 Actually Wendell Stevens was involved with this, but well they came to him 183 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:18.720 later. But there were some people in China before, you know, during 184 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:25.360 the Social Revolution, the academics were studying UFOs, but on the secret because 185 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:30.840 it was really shunned and the Russians were advising, the Communists were advising China 186 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.200 to stay away from this, so it was kind of done in secret. 187 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:41.480 Once China become more became more independent Shintu Lee. I'm pretty sure that's how 188 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.120 you say his name. His wife was working for the government, and they 189 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.039 went to the government and said, hey, we want to study UFOs. 190 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:53.279 We've got these professors and academics, and they said, hey, great, 191 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:57.480 and they said you need some help, we'll print your journal. And so 192 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:02.440 they printed the journal and got that. That kind of got modern eupology out 193 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.359 in China off the ground. So really interesting story. Why am I talking 194 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.279 about that along with this program, just with the idea that, of course, 195 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:18.039 there are many who suspect that NASA is not sharing some of what they 196 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:26.960 have found in space regarding extraterrestrials and UFOs. I don't know if that's true, 197 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:33.880 but I think there is some compelling stuff that shows that at least there 198 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:41.839 have been unknown craft that they have observed that they at least have been real 199 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.039 quiet about, which certainly are deserving a closer look. My point being that 200 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:55.240 perhaps China will not be the same if they run across the same phenomena, 201 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.079 and that perhaps they would be more willing to be forced right and kind of 202 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.559 trump America to say, hey, you American goofballs. You haven't been paying 203 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.240 attention, but look how cool we are because we've filmed some stuff and we've 204 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.440 seen some stuff here, and we're gonna make you look like a bunch of 205 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.920 chumps because we're going to come out and say, hey, we're researching this 206 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:21.119 and there's something really going on here. And so that's an interesting theory I 207 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:26.720 think, talking about NASA possibly knowing something. There's another story in England by 208 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.279 their paper The Sun. Of course, this is the one that has all 209 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:37.519 the bikini girls and stuff like that. So if you're interested in bikini girls, 210 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:41.680 then you're probably interested in the Sun, which is actually their biggest selling 211 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:48.880 paper. It's a of Rupert Murdoch production here. But they ran a story 212 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:56.079 about a YouTube video an American yank by the way, who posted a video. 213 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.519 In fact, this guy's called the Californian, so he's in California. 214 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:08.200 But he posted a video where he kind of took that Mars Google app and 215 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:15.480 zoomed in and found this strange white anomaly that he says is a base of 216 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:21.319 some sort. He speculates on the video perhaps at TT, perhaps it's NASA, 217 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.680 perhaps it's secret. NASA probably doesn't know anything about this, so they 218 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:30.759 need to look into it and this kind of thing. It is, I 219 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:37.680 guess i'd say an interesting video. It's hard to determine anything because it's the 220 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.440 object itself. The area is not enough in a high enough resolution to really 221 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.400 tell for sure what's going on here, but he feels confident that it does 222 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:53.160 show a structure of some sort. He estimates it to be seven hundred feet 223 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:59.960 long and one hundred and fifty feet wide. Interesting. So hopefully more people 224 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:07.680 we'll look into this and we'll find something out. SETI search for extraterrestrial intelligence. 225 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.279 Jill Tarter, who ran SETI, who is the inspiration for the movie 226 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:22.119 Contact, and you know that the female lead in that excellent movie. If 227 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.759 you haven't seen the movie Contact, you really need to check it out. 228 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:33.119 It's a great movie. Anyway, they have a new boss, so a 229 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:41.880 new guy taking over SETI. His name is Jeff Marcy, and they did 230 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.240 a little Q and A with him on the sci fi site IO nine, 231 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.880 which I talk about once in a while, you guys might be familiar with. 232 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.680 They're a real kind of silly sight. They have a lot of cool 233 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.200 stories and some interesting stuff. Though it's more loose and laid back, that's 234 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:00.799 for sure. But they asked him about you know, why did you take 235 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.319 this over? And he said, you know, he's just really interested to 236 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:08.519 know if there are other intelligent beings out there, and if so, which 237 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.680 he assumes there are, how close are they? You know, how close 238 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.839 is our nearest neighbor, something of course that we're all very interested in. 239 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:23.559 He thinks it seems kind of crazy that would be the only civilization, and 240 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:30.359 people would really love to know if the galaxy is teaming with life, which 241 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:36.839 sounds pretty likely. Now he's working on a lot of these exo planet projects, 242 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:38.880 so he's wrapping that up. So he is looking for et already, 243 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:45.880 but more in the microbial realm, and now he will be looking for signals 244 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.240 to find out if there are intelligence civilizations. So that's some interesting news. 245 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.279 I thought you might like to know. That said, he's got a new 246 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:57.480 boss, and that's sat Shawstack. Even though he's kind of their biggest spokesperson, 247 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.599 is not the boss, nor is he now what's going on with that. 248 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.400 He is just a spokesperson and a great speaker, by the way, 249 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:12.119 But that's what's going on with SETI the Middle East. This is big news 250 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:18.039 you may have heard of in the Middle East. There were some UFOs seen 251 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.880 over Israel, Syria and other Middle Eastern countries. Some people were saying that, 252 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.559 you know, this is an omen a, good or bad of course 253 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.400 to send it to, depending on the side of the revolution, the kind 254 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.599 of Syrian revolution that's going on right now. Whichever side you are on, 255 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:44.759 omen for decide that is not no one you're on. So there's lots of 256 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.519 speculation about this. I guess police got a lot of calls in Israel about 257 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.880 this object. And it's very similar to some of the spiral type of things 258 00:22:52.920 --> 00:23:03.920 we've seen lately, although this one does matched the time of a missile launched 259 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:11.599 by Russia, and Russia is saying that this is certainly our missile, that 260 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.160 it once it hit its target, it's spun out of control and the fuel, 261 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.599 you know, spinning the missile, which we've heard before. We've had 262 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:29.680 on the show the mof on video analyst who is also a specialist in space, 263 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.519 and he talked about this with us that these are definitely rockets that people 264 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.039 are seeing, and so it's another case where it seems pretty solid that we 265 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.640 can be sure this is a rocket, and the video looks very similar to 266 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.119 the spirals that we've seen before, although, as I pointed out in a 267 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.960 story I wrote for Open Minds that these spirals, mysterios spirals have been seen 268 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:55.000 in the East for a while, including a lot of them in China. 269 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.799 Some of you are into that TV show fact or Baked the Paranormal Spiles, 270 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.960 and we've had one of their stars, Ben Hanson on the show. He's 271 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:07.400 a good friend, he's a great guy, and he showed us this video 272 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.240 that has made some news this week. He showed us at the UFO Congress 273 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:18.240 and he actually showed it to me and some friends prior. However, this 274 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:23.559 is very strange lights in this wooded area that they filmed on one of their 275 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.680 investigations. So it's like on the other side of this lake in a wooded 276 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:32.079 area. You see these lights. Now, they're not flying up in the 277 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:37.799 sky or anything. They're kind of flying at tree level and below, flying 278 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.519 around in the woods. He's really really weird lights. So people are saying, 279 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:47.119 hey, by definition, that's an unknown flying object. They're flying around 280 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:49.279 these trees and stuff. So this is a mystery. I know Ben Hansen 281 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:53.519 was really perplexed, and the whole crew don't know what the heck these lights 282 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:57.799 are. So that's a really interesting one. Huffington Post. Here again is 283 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:03.960 a group who covered that one. This is the Westcountry dot co dot UK, 284 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.960 so lots of these. It's kind of interesting. In the UK every 285 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.759 area has a this is this or this is that, This is New Hampshire, 286 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:19.799 this is Westernshire, this is uh. I'm not up to date completely 287 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:26.440 on my English geography. I apologize to my English friend friends. I would 288 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.519 love to visit England. It's beautiful, it's awesome. I love English people, 289 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:37.759 I love English culture, I love English television, and I love English 290 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.119 food in the way of pasties, pasties. I'm sorry past these paces or 291 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:45.319 something else, but pasties they're this, you know, any kind of food 292 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:51.519 and comes from England with the bread around it kind of thing, really good. 293 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.960 So I love u UK people. So I do apologize for not being 294 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:02.640 up on my geography out there. So that This is with a Ridge is 295 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:08.680 the paper who wrote about this. And this is a lieutenant colonel who reported 296 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.559 a UFO. He says his wife spotted what looked like a red planet in 297 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:18.039 the western sky, but as there was considerable cloud cover, we wondered what 298 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.880 it could be. The object then faded away, but after a few seconds, 299 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.480 a larger object looking like a bright red flare appeared from the north. 300 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:32.400 It looked as though it was at the end of an elliptical orbit as it 301 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.240 turned and headed in the same direction as the first sighting, then fading away 302 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.000 as before. This occurred three more times over a period of about four to 303 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:49.880 five minutes. Very interesting sighting reported by This is West Country. But this 304 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:56.480 was a UFO over wither Ridge. So, and I spirit you my terrible 305 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:02.839 English accent, So you should be very happy about that. Prometheus movie just 306 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.279 started. I haven't seen it yet. I was going to see it this 307 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:10.119 weekend. I got busy cleaning my house and working on these UFO things and 308 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.000 everything, and I did not go see it. I'm very excited to even 309 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:19.000 though the most people have been like, eh, it's all right. I'm 310 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.200 a big Aliens fan, big Rebly Scott fan. So I'm still going to 311 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.160 go see it. And especially because you know in the Fox News covered this 312 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:34.359 aspect again that a big question from the movie is did aliens create the human 313 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:41.960 race? Wow? Interesting context sounds like the ancient alien stuff which we've talked 314 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:47.079 about. Ridley Scott has already said was a major influence on this movie. 315 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:52.359 The last story, it's UFO related because it's some unknown object flying around in 316 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.240 the sky and that's the X thirty seven B. This secret space plane which 317 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:02.039 kind of looks like a mini space shuttle US. This unmancraft that has been 318 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.559 in space for a year. This thing has been flying around for a flip 319 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.079 in the year of there. Nobody knows what it's for. Interesting enough that 320 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.119 just landed and the Air Force has kind of made a big deal. They've 321 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.799 released all these promo pictures and everything so you can see what it looks like, 322 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.480 maybe showing off how cool they are. So this thing has been flying 323 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.039 around for the year. They're just, oh, it's just a test vehicle. 324 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:32.359 What you're flying this test vehicle our around for a year? Come on, 325 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.279 give us a break. Nobody believes that. Even the conventional media is 326 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.480 like, come on, let us in on it. You're BS and us. 327 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.960 You're pulling our leg. You're not being on a su bunch of lions, 328 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.599 sons of you know who's No, I'm sorry, I'm getting a little 329 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.400 carried away here. But anyway, Yeah, they're flying around this space plane. 330 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.279 Who knows what they're doing. They're probably launching secret satellites, maybe capturing 331 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:04.200 Russian satellites, and then you know that the astronauts going there, and I 332 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.799 don't know that there aren't any astronauts, so they just zap them and then 333 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.319 they let them go. Or who knows what they're doing. These crazy guys 334 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:17.640 with our money, our tax dollars are doing all this stuff, but they 335 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.599 can't build a regular shuttle. I don't know what's going on people. I'm 336 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.480 sorry. And on that note, we will move on to our interview with 337 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:40.279 Randy Nickerson. Okay, I'm very happy to have on the telephone Randall Nickerson. 338 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.839 Hello, Randall, Hi, good good. How are you doing. 339 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.720 I'm still still here. Keep him busy. Yeah, well great, I'm 340 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.079 really excited to talk to you because this RUA case is a great one and 341 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:03.920 it's wonderful to have someone going out there and getting some updates. And now, 342 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:07.839 by trade, are your photographer? Is that correct? Uh? Yeah, 343 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.759 I would say photographer. I work in the film business filmmaker, also 344 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.960 do some other things with pianos and music, and but yeah, freelance quite 345 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.079 a bit, so you do a lot of creative things. I on that 346 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:29.359 sign, Yeah, yep. And it's just you know, at the UFO 347 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.759 Congress. You showed some of the clips and the photography. You showed some 348 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.759 of your pictures which were incredible, And that's what's great. Your photography is 349 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:44.559 so wonderful that it totally it transitioned to the video. So the shots are 350 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.799 just so pretty. That's one of another reason why I'm really excited to see 351 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:55.720 this movie. Yeah, there's a lot of good you know, I do 352 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.599 the same thing with video that I do when there were stills, and you 353 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.160 know, just takes time, a lot of time and patience to wait for 354 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:07.640 the right shot, but it's worth it usually. Yeah, I'm looking forward 355 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.279 to getting it completed. It's been a long haul almost for a little over 356 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:18.480 four years years now since I started this project, and fairly confident that it's 357 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:27.519 gonna make an impression just because of the story itself just so much more interesting 358 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:36.440 than I even fought in the beginning. So yeah, it the the journey. 359 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:48.119 What inspired you to do this documentary, Well, since I've heard about 360 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:56.960 it and back in ninety five, because I've known John Mack and it wasn't 361 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:02.599 until two thousand and seven when and that was a friend of John's, Dominique, 362 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.119 who was part of the UH the John mac Foundation was part of the 363 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.480 John Mack Foundation. When uh, they asked if I would be interested in 364 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.839 doing something with the footage. You know, I'd never looked at the footage 365 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:22.680 carefully, h until then. And then you know, I received all the 366 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:29.759 original footage and started going over it, and I was just struck by the 367 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:37.720 consistency of these children reporting this, and the numbers of them reporting it, 368 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:45.039 and you know that the consistencies in their description and feeling. And when I 369 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:51.359 you know, just on a objective point, just looking at these kids telling 370 00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.240 the story, I just felt they're not they're not lying, you know, 371 00:32:54.279 --> 00:33:00.000 they're there. There's some you can tell them when someone's tell them the truth, 372 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.799 and it's just the consistency. This really blew me away. So that 373 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:12.279 kind of started the journey of even you know, finding more material, which 374 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.240 I did, tracking down any interviews of these children in the past, which 375 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:22.640 which I've discovered another five or six hours anyway of interviews with these kids back 376 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:30.079 then, and even more kids that were the consistencies just pretty striking. So 377 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:38.319 there's no question something very very unusual happened at that school back in nineteen ninety 378 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.279 four. Yeah, let's get into that then we'll talk more about John macause 379 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.720 of course he brought this to the public essentially. But yeah, let's get 380 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:52.440 into the case. So it's nineteen ninety four. It's an elementary school, 381 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.160 and I'll let you take it over from there. Whereas these kids see this 382 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:06.160 craft right in the outside the school. Yes, Yeah, nineteen ninety four, 383 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:13.360 September sixteenth, there was a This was at a primary school in rurals 384 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:22.639 in Babley count called Rua, And it's pretty rural out there, and these 385 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:29.079 kids on morning break were out playing in the field and they witnessed some type 386 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:36.360 of silver craft come over. People had seen it in the sky beforehand, 387 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:44.599 and then they saw it in the bush maybe one hundred or one hundred and 388 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:53.760 fifty yards away, and then they noticed a too small beings get out of 389 00:34:53.800 --> 00:35:00.760 this craft and one had once stayed with this object, and the other came 390 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:08.599 toward them. Uh, And they pretty much that's the story that's consistent throughout 391 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:16.199 the interviews. And you know, some kids were really excited about what happened. 392 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:22.239 Somewhere terror you know, who really terrorized by it? Now? Did 393 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:28.920 they see the craft leave? Also? A few of them did. Uh. 394 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:34.000 There there was something happened. That meant scared the kids and it was 395 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.159 a sound that the thing made and a lot of them started running towards back 396 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:42.079 towards the school. And I think, uh, I know, there's a 397 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:46.760 couple of children that said that they did they did see it leave, but 398 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.360 that wasn't a front, uh, something that was reported by the majority. 399 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:59.199 Just a few, uh reported that. And so then they run in and 400 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:05.719 tell the teachers. But is no teachers saw the craft From what I understand, 401 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:15.800 that's not necessarily true. They there was a teacher that was on the 402 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:25.119 field that was reported by the students have seen seen this thing at least a 403 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.519 few few of the students. And you know, I don't know for sure, 404 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.519 but even some of the reporters on the scenes had that were first on 405 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.840 the scene, said that that the kids had told them that a teacher was 406 00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:46.079 that a teacher had witnessed this. So honestly, the teacher that was in 407 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:53.119 question is no longer alive, unfortunately. And but there was another teacher involved 408 00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.679 that who I get interview that did not it's at that particular day, but 409 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:07.920 did have an encounter within days of what happened on areel. Yeah, there's 410 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.480 a there's a whole bunch of Uh, there's a there's a lot more of 411 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:17.039 new information. Yeah, some I can talk about someone really can't get into 412 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.880 until the film's completed. But there's a lot of new information. Wow. 413 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:30.519 Interesting. So this area might be sort of a hot spot, I would 414 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:40.000 say so. Uh. I had written the US embassy in Zimbabwe to ask 415 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:45.599 them about this particular incident, and I got an email back that said, 416 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:50.920 uh, yeah, that's probably true. Weird things happen here all the time 417 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.280 from the State's department. Yeah. I thought that was kind of funny. 418 00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:00.719 That is really funny. Yeah, but yeah, there are you know, 419 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.920 in Africa in general. I've been very interested in that particular continent because of 420 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.960 you know, somewhat in the rural areas where there's just people don't know about 421 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:20.119 them, about UFOs, so to speak, and there is still somewhat of 422 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:25.199 a purity to their reports, and there is a lot happening over there. 423 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:29.440 That's just the world just never you knows, you know, finds out about 424 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.800 it, and that, you know, another thing I had done. I've 425 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:39.760 gone over several times and interview many other people regarding other incidents that have occurred 426 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:46.039 over there, and you know, unfortunately we don't hear about it over here, 427 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:52.679 but there's everything that happens, you know, globally that we've heard about 428 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.199 it. I mean literally every aspect of the phenomena occurs there as well. 429 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:07.440 Now this area, uh, just so people know, I'm sure a lot 430 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.920 of people but maybe not everybody is familiar with this case. But it there 431 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.599 were white and black children, yes, and so it's a rural area. 432 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:27.360 Are these guys farmers? Yes? That was the primary business environment out there 433 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:34.360 is farms. Unluckily, all the children speak English very well. Is that 434 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:40.360 the main language of that country? Uh? Well not, it's not the 435 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:49.639 native language. The native language language has showna primarily, but the white children 436 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:58.400 of you know were basically you know, came over I think it's back in 437 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:07.159 the seventeen hundreds and from England and so there primarily there's a lot there's a 438 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.719 lot of British influence and there was a British colony for quite a long time, 439 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:19.880 and I believe in nineteen eighties when when it when they gained their independent 440 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:23.760 independence. But yeah, but the children are very well educated. It's a 441 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:30.400 very very good primary school and there is quote there was at that time, 442 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:38.000 but quite a mix of Native children and uh and the white farmers basically children, 443 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:47.480 which actually gave it kind of an interesting flavor because you had two different, 444 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:59.280 essentially cultures discussing the same event, right, which I've I find interesting 445 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:06.280 and helpful. Mm hmm. It kind of rules out some of the some 446 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:12.440 of the Western influence questions that can come up in this. And that's what's 447 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:19.960 interesting is what they described. Now, how old were these children? Uh? 448 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:30.559 They ranged from about from eight to thirteen, Okay. And then what 449 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.880 I was thinking about, you know, as far as what you're talking about, 450 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.519 this idea of Western influences because of the creature they described. Now, 451 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:46.000 I remember one little girl in her description, and I think a couple of 452 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.800 the kids and the pictures I mean, you can correct me, but it 453 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.519 seems as though what they saw is very similar to what they described seeing and 454 00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:01.360 what the pictures they drew similar to the gray type of creature that we're familiar 455 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:07.280 with, with a big head and large almond kind of shaped eyes. Was 456 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:13.320 that consistent, I would say so, I would say pretty seemed to be 457 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:22.679 very consistent, except it was in black. I think the some of the 458 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:30.559 most interesting testimony and part of this case, it's very kind of given me 459 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:36.800 a curveball, which is actually fine. That one of the beings actually had 460 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.480 long hair, or what was interpreted by the children as long hair. Even 461 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:45.400 John Mack, you know, had asked this question to the kids, and 462 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.000 you know, they had said, He'd ask, well, are you sure 463 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.039 it was hair? And they weren't totally sure, but it looked like that. 464 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.119 But the other one didn't have any at all. So there were two 465 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:05.840 actually different types. And it's just it was in the reporting that that came 466 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:16.159 out. But the general size of the creature and the creatures and the the 467 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:23.639 anatomy, we're very similar to what they call a gray you know. And 468 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.559 how long do you get a sense of how long the encounter took place? 469 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.760 That ranges, you know, from their account, But if I would from 470 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:43.400 gathering from what I've gathered from the interviews back then in ninety four and interviewing 471 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:49.320 in today, I would say ten to fifteen minutes. So it did occur. 472 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.039 It seemed to occur over a long period of time. Now, some 473 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.519 of the students ran to tell the teachers. Did did they wait until later 474 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.199 on? Are? I guess did the teachers just not believe them? That's 475 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.840 why they didn't come out to work. Yes, okay, that's true. 476 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:15.400 The teachers didn't believe them at first, and they you know, it was 477 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.320 the children actually who really stood up for themselves, saying, you know, 478 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:25.920 something did really happen that you know that the teachers tried to you know, 479 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.079 fog them off, as they would say, and but it was the children 480 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:37.880 who went home basically to their parents and told them that something really happened. 481 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:47.119 And I think that's what really started the the you know, seriousness being taken 482 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.880 about what occurred. And now it seems, in hindsight from what at least 483 00:44:52.920 --> 00:45:00.159 I've seen that far, the teachers believe them. Is that true or is 484 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:07.599 there still some doubt? I would say predominantly, I would say at least, 485 00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.119 I mean, almost one hundred percent of the teachers that I spoke with, 486 00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:19.239 I would said ninety percent believe the kids. And even you know, 487 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.800 I went to find one specific teacher who at the time was interviewed and he 488 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.840 said he didn't believe the kids. And I found him and I interviewed him 489 00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.679 and talked to him, and I asked him, what do you think today? 490 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:38.400 And he said he believed them now because their story never changed, and 491 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:44.480 that it was so consistent over time. Initially thought was just kids being kids, 492 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:50.199 but he said after time and the more time's gone by, more he 493 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:57.079 he was just impacted by the the weight of the testimony I catch the kids 494 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:02.840 and the consistency. What uh what, Especially there's this little girl that in 495 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:08.039 particular that I think it was I always think about a lot and John Max's 496 00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:15.039 interviews was that some of them seemed to have even though this thing was only 497 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:22.639 looking at them, they seemed to have like an impression about what this These 498 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:29.480 entities thoughts were as if there was a communication, although there wasn't any verbal 499 00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:36.000 communication. Yes, that's somewhat true. I mean, and that definitely didn't 500 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:42.960 occur with all the kids, but that it was definitely reported that there were 501 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:52.719 there was some kind of brains and the brain communication. Yeah, anything pictures, 502 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:58.880 okay, Oh, mainly in pictures, okay. Yeah, Because I 503 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:04.320 remember this little girl describing and you know, she seemed pretty young and very 504 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:15.000 articulate in that she was describing that this thing was sad because we are destroying 505 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.119 our planet and we're not taking good care of it, which is an interesting 506 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.119 thing for a kid to say. Is that kind of the similar message that 507 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:29.639 some of the others who received messages got. Yes, that was the consistence 508 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:37.880 for those that did have that experience, that was the message that they, 509 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.840 you know, got from that experience was for some reason about our planet. 510 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:51.239 And then it's funny because the interviewing some of the people today, Yeah, 511 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.119 the investigators that were on the scene, they're still struck by that because a 512 00:47:55.159 --> 00:48:00.280 lot of what they said as children back in ninety four is really relevant today. 513 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.719 You know, back in ninety four it wasn't a big deal so much. 514 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:12.119 Today it's pretty much in everybody's face. How interesting. Huh, Yeah, 515 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:19.039 it is kind of interesting. Uh it is. Yeah. So John 516 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:23.920 Mack then he gets soon after he gets involved, and just for people, 517 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.840 I'm pretty sure because I talked about John Mack. I'm a big fan of 518 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.840 his. Uh. But John Mack, who worked at the professor at Harvard 519 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:37.159 Medical School, a psychologist. He had won a Pulitzer Price price for an 520 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:47.800 biography actually, and he took this or alien abduction very seriously. He got 521 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:55.400 involved, what due to Bobs but Hopkins. I was saying, Bob, 522 00:48:55.440 --> 00:49:01.079 and I'm like, that's not right, Bud Hopkins and so and he took 523 00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:07.119 a different perspective than bed Hopkins, which is interesting. But then how did 524 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.079 you know, being someone who was involved with abduction, how did John mac 525 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:19.599 get involved with this case? He was contacted by a journalist that was covering 526 00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:27.760 this case over there and basically wanted doctor Matt to look at this case. 527 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.199 And it wasn't until about a month over about a month and a half before 528 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:39.760 John Mack actually went and interviewed these children. But between that time, you 529 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:45.239 know, between the time it occurred September sixteenth and when John arrived in December, 530 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:52.320 a lot of other people have done interviews and that that is very interesting, 531 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:58.480 the variety of interviews that were done by different camera crews these children, 532 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:07.159 which was part of the UH the UH massive amount of information collected about this 533 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.960 case. So was it a bunch of news crews? I mean, was 534 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.199 it a big news in the country? Actually it was on writer it was 535 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:23.760 let me see that case. UH EBC was covering it and Reuter's were covering 536 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.159 it initially, but it was just like a blip on the radar and then 537 00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:37.679 it disappeared at the news. But it was covered by several other smaller agencies 538 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:45.519 in Africa. News agencies and then had you know it had been covered even 539 00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:52.760 after John mac uh the Dutch covered it, Uh German, several other new 540 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:57.239 news agencies. It's been It's been covered quite a bit and in many ways 541 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.320 by the news or documentaries, but on a small scale, you know, 542 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:08.360 on a not an in depth investigation into it. What occurred? So what 543 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:13.079 were do you know did you know John Mack at that time? Yet? 544 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.960 Yes, oh you did? So do you know how he felt? Did 545 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:22.760 he feeled? He seemed pretty open minded, so he probably I wouldn't sense 546 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:24.920 that he would go in with a kind of a skeptical outlook, although he's 547 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:30.920 a he's a scientist, so he's probably looking for answers. But do you 548 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.599 know what his mindset was going into it and how he felt once he talked 549 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.800 to these children. Well, I mean the best judge of that is from 550 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:46.079 the tape. I think he went in pretty open minded. Uh, And 551 00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.599 I you know, I think he also really understood like kids are. He 552 00:51:51.639 --> 00:52:00.440 worked with children. That was one of his focuses in his career was working 553 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:05.599 working with children as a psychiatrist. So you know, of any of all 554 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.960 the interviews that were done, his interviews were actually revealed the most interesting information. 555 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.760 Uh. He was able to draw out a lot of a lot from 556 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:21.159 the kids, their emotions and thoughts and experiences that they had. But the 557 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.280 half a dozen of so other news organizations or in people that interviewed the kids 558 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:32.199 couldn't didn't get out of them. But yes, I think, uh, 559 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.800 I think he was right. He was rather moved by it, I would 560 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:43.320 say, by by the whole experience of that's what's great about these tapes and 561 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:47.199 why they're golden. While I'm sure you're just that you're so, it's been 562 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.599 a great experience to watch him because, like you said, I mean, 563 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.079 he's the perfect guy to go do this, to go talk to these children. 564 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.679 He's worked with children, and i mean just you know, his patients 565 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:05.360 and and the way the questions he asked. It's it's what I've been able 566 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:10.639 to see of those interviews is great. I mean he's able to because it's 567 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:17.920 his job draw out from them to get clarity on what they experienced and how 568 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:24.559 they felt. And it's very I mean it's incredible. Yeah, that's true. 569 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:30.119 And even you know, when I just had his interviews, which are 570 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:37.679 fantastic, that was one thing, but to actually see the interviews before and 571 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:43.280 how they corroborate his interviews is to me even more striking. But yeah, 572 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:50.320 he was definitely the right person to to interview his children as far as being 573 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.159 able to find out more of what occurred, and he was you know, 574 00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:59.400 people trust him, you know, people trust me children. You know, 575 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:07.159 you would just had a demeanor about him that made you feel more open about 576 00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:16.679 sharing your experiences. How did you first meet John mact I met him in 577 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:22.360 ninety two, Okay, yeah, I believe let me see. Yeah, 578 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.159 it was summer ninety two. Well, I think it was something it was 579 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:32.840 a conference in Boston. How cool. Yeah, I was pretty interested in 580 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:43.480 his approach on this topic. Yeah, he's one person that I really wish 581 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:50.159 I would have met, but never unfortunately had the chance. Yeah, so 582 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:54.639 you were saying, along with his interviews and these other news interviews, the 583 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:02.920 children were consistent in what they were saying. Yes, m And that's pretty 584 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:07.519 significant, especially for kids. I mean, if kids are making stuff up, 585 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.360 especially a kid, they're going to add new stuff and and add more 586 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:19.480 kind of chilly stuff. But that wasn't the case. You know, I'm 587 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:25.679 sure, I'm sure there are kids that's kids do stuff like that I'm sure 588 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.159 that they may be a part of that, but the the story on its 589 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:38.599 entirety is consistent, uh about about what they saw. And it's interesting too 590 00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:46.079 when we learn a lot when you interview people about human memory and how information 591 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:52.400 comes forward. You know, some people see things that others don't see at 592 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:58.119 the time, or recognize or remember specific things that others aren't concentrating at the 593 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:04.000 time. But it in in that way it creates its own story as a 594 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:13.320 composition of everyone. And that's definitely true here. There are details that were 595 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:17.440 brought forward by different not all the children, but by enough of them to 596 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:22.360 say that probably occurred, you know what I mean, little small details, 597 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.920 sounds, things that were small details that were witnessed that build a bigger picture 598 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:32.760 of what occurred. Which was part of the goal was is to you know, 599 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.880 in this film, is to really to really get as much to find 600 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:42.480 out what really happened there and as much entirety as possible, and then and 601 00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.920 then how it really affected people today and how they're living with it today. 602 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.280 So could you describe maybe one of those things that came up, you know, 603 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.800 a repeated thing that you know, maybe no one else had picked up 604 00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:00.639 on that you were able to glean. I think it was the sound really 605 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.679 that was one of them, but that that was one particular, Uh, 606 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:12.280 that there was a sound that was made from this this craft or or or 607 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.679 one of the beings. Actually not completely sure what it was, but it 608 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:22.880 came from that direction, Uh, that that had scared the children and made 609 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:27.119 many of them run back towards toward the school. At the time, what 610 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:32.199 was a sound like? It was described like a flute, very high pitched, 611 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:46.519 single tone. Details with the entities. They said they saw one stay 612 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:52.519 at the craft, and then one moved away. Where did that one move 613 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.199 to? Did it it moved towards him and then go back, yes, 614 00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:04.960 okay, and then okay, and one of them I can't remember if there 615 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.920 was a this was just a discrepancy that did some remember the one that stayed 616 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:14.440 at the craft on top of the craft or that's correct? Okay, so 617 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:20.440 it was on top. Yeah. That was pretty pretty consistently reported by most 618 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.800 of the kids that there was one that was sitting on top of it while 619 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:30.159 the other one came toward them. And there's actually two locations where this thing 620 00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.400 was seen. It wasn't just you know, there were two landing quote landing 621 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:39.400 sites where this thing was reportedly seen the craft itself, which you know, 622 00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:49.719 it's very interesting because the first site is much further away and most I would 623 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.440 say most of the kids saw that. The second site is much closer and 624 00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:01.280 would account for their ability to describe it in that's detail because the first site 625 00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:07.280 isn't it's it's too far away, you know, too far away to really 626 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.559 get the detail that some of these kids saw. But the second site easily 627 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.719 they could have seen the detail of these these beings. How do you account 628 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:22.519 for the two different sites? You know, I'm not sure. I mean 629 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:29.159 it was over a long period of time. I'm not sure if it moved 630 00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.480 or if there were more than one. Uh, I really do not know 631 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.599 that, but it was that both sites were reported and there. You know, 632 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:45.079 they're very specific locations, but that I had when I went there, 633 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:52.159 I found and it went had to find to see exactly where these where they 634 00:59:52.920 --> 01:00:00.719 reported seeing this thing and these beings. So there's pretty much the original story. 635 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:05.280 I mean, I think with John mackew went out and they videoed and 636 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.880 it I know, the footage got into a documentary. Well now it's been 637 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.800 probably in several documentaries, but only a bit of the footage. I mean, 638 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:20.719 I would guess we've probably only seen a small amount of what they've videoed. 639 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.159 Is that correct? Yeah, there's quite a bit of it, and 640 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:30.440 I believe for four or five hours of oh wow on Max footage, you 641 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.000 know. And Cynthia Hein I gotta say, I'm gott to bring this up 642 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:39.239 because she really she really laid down the groundwork for the investigation. Unfortunately she 643 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:45.440 passed away in two thousand, but she was the one first on the scene. 644 01:00:45.480 --> 01:01:00.280 She was there four days after and her and her assistance really docum meant 645 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.280 to this event. And I'm just really glad that they did, and also 646 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.159 John mac did. But Cynthia Hind definitely she was I don't think if it 647 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:16.760 wasn't he for her, I think it wouldn't have been publicized. Any events 648 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:27.159 like this can disappear really quickly if nobody really takes it seriously and actually investigates 649 01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:37.440 it. And she's a journalist, she definitely had some experience in journalism. 650 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:45.559 I honestly don't know her resume, but she after her husband passed away, 651 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:52.559 she became the new found director for Africa oh Okay, covering all kinds of 652 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:59.440 events, and she wrote a couple of books about encounters in Africa, and 653 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:07.000 you know, there's nobody that's really that did that work before or since to 654 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:12.360 the degree that she did. It's unfortunate because there's a lot of stuffing, 655 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:17.760 a lot of events going on in Africa that don't make the mainstream. Yeah, 656 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.679 it's unfortunate because there's a lot of events yet going on a lot of 657 01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:28.480 other countries. And uh, it's unfortunate that we don't get that, you 658 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:32.159 know, that out here so much. I mean England, we do, 659 01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:37.000 but I would say maybe that's the only other country really maybe Canada that we 660 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:44.039 get a lot of about what's going on. Yeah, but yeah, it's 661 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:49.119 funny because we're that's a very small percentage the Western world is a very small 662 01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.119 percentage of the human population here. And I tend to believe the natives more 663 01:02:54.159 --> 01:03:00.639 than I too Westerners in general about their encounters because they don't in general, 664 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:07.760 they don't have a predisposition to the phenomena, so you get more of a 665 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:15.920 raw experience of what they saw or what they encountered that was so odd, 666 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.199 you know, I'm this issue in general. I mean, they've just moved 667 01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:28.639 by it because there's no question something something is happening worldwide that continues to happen. 668 01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:35.559 It's not. It hasn't gone away since the first reports you know, 669 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.599 in Western media in the in the forties and fifties. And it even goes 670 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:45.280 as you know, way way back in one hundreds of years. It's not 671 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.480 thousands of years, but it's you know, it's just this isn't going to 672 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:55.559 go away, this issue. It's going to continue to show up until we 673 01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:00.320 figure it out. Right. Yeah, Yeah, it's not. And that's 674 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:02.440 a good thing. It's not going to go away. I mean, as 675 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:11.920 frustrated as some investigators or people who research this get because of maybe lack of 676 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:16.800 attention in some cases, in many cases, it's not going anywhere. And 677 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:21.480 that's something that we've always got. And more and more people then have experiences 678 01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:27.039 and come to understand that, hey, it may be crazy, it may 679 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.440 not make sense, but it's here and it's not going anywhere. Yeah, 680 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:34.440 And I think we've talked about it before, about this scientific community, and 681 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:43.000 so they're being more I mean when John mckennavall, I think that was great 682 01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:49.880 because it was bringing more of a scientific end to to the to the challenge, 683 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:55.880 you know, of trying to understand, well, what's actually occurring. 684 01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:01.119 And this makes me think of what happens when I talked him, and I 685 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.960 run into this a lot of times, more so recently, people say, 686 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:10.079 well, an extraordinary and they quote what Carl Sagan said of you know, 687 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:15.480 an extraordinary claim demands extraordinary evidence, and that's about Hoppin You used to say, 688 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:24.599 you know, yeah, an extraordinary claim demands an extraordinary investigation to get 689 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:30.320 the extraordinary evidence, because the investigation part really has not been done to a 690 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.840 level that is necessary. It's not this is something elusive that's occurring. It's 691 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:44.159 not something that's as giving it all up front. There's there's definitely a sense 692 01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:54.000 from what I've got at looking at this that it's a there's something very covert 693 01:05:54.039 --> 01:06:01.039 about it. It's not. It's not it's not something to catch mm well, 694 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.400 and like you're saying, I mean, even with this case, it's 695 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:11.119 rare that all of the witnesses of extraordinary case like this one are being able 696 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:15.320 are we able to interview them in depth and videotape those I mean, it's 697 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:19.760 a rarity to be able to do investigation to the level that was done with 698 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:28.960 this case. Sure, Yeah, it's definitely an unusual set of circumstances. 699 01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:31.880 I mean I can look back on it now and say, well, why 700 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:36.159 they I wish they did this or interviewed this person now, But they really 701 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:44.400 did a good job considering the time and the technology and and the fact that 702 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.559 you know, it's such a challenge, I think to really get good information 703 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:55.760 because people are afraid of being ridiculed. And it's another big topic that I 704 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.920 run into and think about. It's like, you know, we would, 705 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:05.159 in general on this topic be a lot further ahead if people were not so 706 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:11.199 afraid to come forward. In doing this film, I can't tell you how 707 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.199 many people have met who uh you have come forward and said, well, 708 01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.480 this is what happened. You know, this is what we saw, and 709 01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:29.960 they've never told anybody else about it because they're afraid of ridicule, or you 710 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.079 know, it wasn't worth it to them to come forward because they were they 711 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:42.639 were afraid that it would hurt them. You know in some way that that 712 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.880 you know, that that actually hurts the culture when people are afraid to tell 713 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:53.679 what their experience is. You know, if if that's a truthful thing, 714 01:07:53.800 --> 01:08:00.719 then it's important that the whole society know or the whole civilization aware of it. 715 01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:06.519 You know, So the whole ridicule question is also very disturbing, I 716 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:12.159 think m H. And I think it really points out to the to a 717 01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:17.359 really greater fear that people have of actually looking at this unfortunately, right. 718 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.079 And it sounds like, you know, the teachers that kind of went through 719 01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:26.319 this, that these the kids, uh, we're so excited they're reporting, 720 01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:30.680 Hey, this incredible thing just happened. And you know, I think we 721 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:36.840 can all kind of probably sympathize a bit with the uh. The the teachers 722 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.880 kind of being like, what are you talking about? You know, kind 723 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.239 of taking a back and probably not wanting to believe it until they finally did. 724 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:53.279 I mean, how did the teachers describe that to you? The uh 725 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:59.159 A transition for them, right, Yeah, Well, the transition was around 726 01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:03.840 because it didn't stop. Uh you know there the kids didn't stop talking about 727 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:09.039 it, and they were insistent really because they really had to fight for the 728 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:15.760 truth in their you know, I can't the kids were it was difficult for 729 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:21.479 them. They had seen something and they literally had to not only were they 730 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:26.239 I think stunned by what they saw, but they had to convince everybody else 731 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.359 that that is actually what they they saw, including their parents and the teachers 732 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:39.319 mainly, And so yeah, I actually feel a lot for those kids, 733 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:44.199 you know, at that time, because I think it was difficult and I 734 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:49.760 think, you know, again, what the what really made the teachers and 735 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:57.159 most of the parents take it seriously was that the consistency. This was something 736 01:09:57.279 --> 01:10:03.439 that was consistently reported in detail by at least sixty four kids, and many 737 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:12.960 more saw, you know, other phenomena, but not not to that detail. 738 01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.119 The Native children, or at least the children in general there you referring 739 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:24.439 to their kind of the Western influence. Did they have much of a Western 740 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.880 influence? Did they? Did they watch a lot of our entertainment for example, 741 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:35.399 I mean, would they have been influenced in the description of the entities 742 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:42.520 they saw by our media? I think some of them, I know some 743 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:49.439 of them had satellite television, but definitely not all of them. But it 744 01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:55.840 was definitely there was technology there. It wasn't as up to date as as 745 01:10:55.960 --> 01:11:00.840 we were in the States in ninety four, but it wasn't, you know, 746 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.119 a complete rural village, even though there were some of those kids were 747 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:13.000 from rural villages. As far as the entirety, I can't say that for 748 01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:18.960 the entirety of the school. So it was there was something there, definitely. 749 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:25.000 I mean, you know, the technology was there for media, but 750 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:30.439 not in the school. It was it was in certain students' homes, gotcha. 751 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:35.600 And so you went to go interview some of these students also now that 752 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:44.000 they're older, and I guess about how old were the kids now? And 753 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:49.520 how many did you get to interview? Bluk fifteen or twenty? And then 754 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:55.479 I spoke to called me forty all together on email? Oh wow, that's 755 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:58.800 quite a bit. Yeah, that's quite a bit there, you know, 756 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:08.520 you know they were at they're in their mid twenties essentially now, and yeah, 757 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:14.399 it took a little while to track them all down. They all remember 758 01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:20.239 that day very well for the most part. Are any of them doubtful in 759 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:26.279 that? You know, just because this happens with with sightings, occasionally people 760 01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.600 start to think, did I really see that? You know, they start 761 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:34.840 to question themselves, partially because it's difficult to be someone to experience it. 762 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:42.640 Yeah, phenomenon like, yeah, true that there there definitely were a couple 763 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:49.600 of kids that today who were questioning what they saw, but the significant amount, 764 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:58.399 I mean, the most ninety percent of them anyway, I'm pretty sure 765 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.880 what they saw. Wow, mhm. So and now they're they're more articulate. 766 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:08.239 They are adults, young adults. Did you get them more description then 767 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:16.439 they were able to offer as children? In some in some cases the the 768 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:24.199 but not all. I wouldn't. I'd say I got more uh descriptive uh 769 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:32.520 description of of how what they went through, their feelings and awesome the subject 770 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:39.079 and what they saw that day and were their feelings. There's probably a range 771 01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:44.600 of feelings. But how do you feel about what they experienced? Well, 772 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:46.840 I don't think. I think they just, you know, it was just 773 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:51.279 something that that happened. I don't think they I think I think it sort 774 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:56.680 of shocked them as a whole. I can't speak for all of them, 775 01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:01.399 uh, but uh that all of a sudden they found themselves in the position 776 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:11.119 of having to defend themselves from people that didn't believe them. And I guess 777 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:18.520 the striking thing for me finding them all was that they've never forgotten it. 778 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:23.199 I mean, it was very very fresh in their mind for the most part, 779 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:32.399 and that how that that time had affected their lives. Wow, were 780 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:38.880 was that kind of the I mean, the emotion of experiencing it, of 781 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.640 course is pretty shocking. But some of them, I mean, did they 782 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:49.720 have did they feel a very high level of frustration not being taken seriously? 783 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:56.359 Yeah? I think so. I mean even there, there were definitely people 784 01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:00.920 I ran into who didn't want to be interviewed because of again the ridicule factor 785 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:04.000 or wow, you know, and it's terrible. I mean, there's information 786 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:10.439 being lost in those instances when people are not willing to come forward and speak 787 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:15.680 about it because they're afraid of what other people are going to say. Because 788 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:20.640 you're losing information and the society's you know, the civilization is losing information that's 789 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:28.359 actually valuable to figure out what, you know, what's occurring in these events. 790 01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:33.199 But yeah, definitely people a few that I ran into were very reluctant 791 01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:40.279 to speak. Yeah, like you said, yeah, that's that. It's 792 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:45.199 really sad and hopefully I'll come forward later on, but it can be I 793 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.760 can you know, any I think anybody can understand the difficulty for these guys 794 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:54.560 because as you know, and I know, I mean even once, for 795 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:58.680 instance, you tell people you're working on something like this, you know, 796 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.479 then it becomes a topic and in some cases ridicule or being looked at funny 797 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:13.560 or work or it's not always easy. No, no, With these guys, 798 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:17.880 now that they're older and they're able to articulate it more, these messages 799 01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:24.760 in the form of pictures, were you able to get more information about that 800 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:31.840 aspect, not specifically about it. I think the main information works recovered back 801 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:40.880 to them. War Uh yeah, I you know, just feelings about that. 802 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:45.840 I think the relevancy of it today came up. What do you think 803 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:50.439 about that? Because that's been an ongoing kind of message, And if you're 804 01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:56.640 familiar with but Hopkins work or drawn Maac's work, or other who work with 805 01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:02.960 people who doctor Sprinkle, another psychologist who actually has done a lot of more 806 01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:11.000 inventories behind this, the constant message of you know, you're messing up your 807 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.920 planet, you got to fix it, and don't you think. Yeah, 808 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:20.239 like we talked about earlier, it's interesting that that message has finally gotten into 809 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:31.039 our subconscious. Do you think there's a relationship between these third parties, this 810 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:39.039 seemingly third party coming in and telling this this and here ten twenty years later, 811 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:45.239 but us beginning to take this message serious yeah, I honestly don't know, 812 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.119 but I find it very interesting absolutely. I mean I don't know, 813 01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:56.920 but there's been enough reports and in a lot of the research to consistent, 814 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:09.319 consistently occurrence that it's in some way like a big brother, you know, 815 01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:14.720 and a big brother, but you know, there's messages being sent one way 816 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.640 or another, and I'm not sure. I just but I just find it 817 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:25.640 interesting. Yeah, m hm, yeah. I was thinking, you know, 818 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:32.039 mentioned earlier like John mac and but Hopkins, and I think you know, 819 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:38.239 I knew both of them very well, and I know that in this 820 01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:45.279 people categorized as John positive and that's negative about it. But really I never 821 01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:50.800 saw that much of a difference in the way they looked at this subject. 822 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:55.560 I mean, they both what I what I find really the most powerful thing 823 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:00.560 was they both took it seriously and neither one really had the answers, but 824 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.479 they were just recording data. And you know, I sometimes run into people 825 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:11.760 and you know, they they try to they talk about it in a positive 826 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.359 or negative aspects, you know, like it's a positive thing or whatever. 827 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:20.680 It's not that it's anything you know that I've seen anyway, It's it's both 828 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:26.279 you know, you look at nature. You look at different aspects of anything, 829 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:30.279 You're going to have both sides. It's just part of the it's part 830 01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.119 of the duality of nature. And anyway, I just wanted to say that 831 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.439 because I know budd it felt like people would categorized him into sort of a 832 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:44.359 negative category around this issue, and he wasn't really negative. He just you 833 01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:48.239 know, he was looking at the data that he had and I think that, 834 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.520 you know, in a lot of ways, John also agreed with a 835 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:55.640 lot of the data that Butt had, and I don't know, there's just 836 01:19:55.760 --> 01:20:00.680 a I think we lose something when we try to categorize into one way or 837 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:09.720 another instead of looking at it as in an all encompassing at all encompassing perspective. 838 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:14.960 It's a really good point you make, because neither of these guys are 839 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:18.399 going and pounding the drum of you know, positive or negative. They're doing 840 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:24.760 their work and they're gathering data. But these labels are imposed upon them by 841 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:29.359 people. And it's interesting how people just need to categorize things like that. 842 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.279 But like you're saying, these are these are labels that are imposed, not 843 01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:40.199 ones that they're seeking. They're just gathering data and getting that information across. 844 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.119 Yeah, and if you you know, if you consider only one set of 845 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:51.680 data valuable, you're losing You're missing a lot of information irrelevant. Yeah. 846 01:20:53.079 --> 01:20:57.399 Another unfortunate way we lose data is thinking, oh, you know, this 847 01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.319 fits my worldview. I like this, so I'm only going to look day. 848 01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:04.479 It doesn't mean that. I mean, it's what really strikes me is, 849 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:08.640 you know, it's spending an awful lot of time in nature. It's 850 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.880 just partoap in wild life. I'm spending a lot of time on wild life. 851 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:16.720 You know. Some of the most beautiful experiences and beautiful sides you see 852 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:23.159 are the sound. But if you wait long enough, you'll see the other 853 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:28.039 side. And you know, and that's just part of it. You know, 854 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:31.119 some of a creature that you might think is the most gentle, amazing 855 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:35.119 creature in the world, and you see it killed something else. What's happening 856 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:42.760 all the time. You can't discount that. It's real and it's part of 857 01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:50.439 that creatures make up. And you know, that's just nature. It's harsh 858 01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:56.439 and beautiful at the same time. And you definitely see that particularly strongly in 859 01:21:56.520 --> 01:22:00.920 Africa. I'm chuckling because it just makes me think of my little dog here 860 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:05.720 because I'm a vegetarian, but she's not. She's a carnivorous and she's a 861 01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:14.359 cute little chihuahua, but she will go killing not for her food. Yeah, 862 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.840 it's a yeah, it's a great point, and it's a nature of 863 01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:23.039 things. And I think you're right. We can't ever just kind of label 864 01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:28.560 and say everything's good, everything's bad, and I we hamper ourselves when we 865 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.560 do so. Yeah, because somebody, I haven't met anybody that really has 866 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:39.720 all the answers on the topic. All right, So I think we as 867 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:46.439 a as a human beings really need to be it's shake into account all the 868 01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:54.239 reports and information and figure it out. We can figure it out. It's 869 01:22:55.560 --> 01:23:01.199 we're not trying hard enough, I believe. Yeah, for various reasons, 870 01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:10.600 agree that we do have the capability or a couple more questions on the children 871 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:17.159 real quick? Were there did any of them like let these messages? Did 872 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.800 they guide their lives? I mean, in other words, uh, are 873 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:28.800 did you find it some of them are working in environmental uh getting in degrees 874 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:33.520 that way to to actually try to heed those warnings. Did it have an 875 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:45.840 influence on them that way? Uh? Not entirely? What I was very 876 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:51.199 impressed. Was was that that they're rather successful kids. M For the most 877 01:23:51.239 --> 01:24:00.000 part, they seemed intelligent, I mean and different aspects. Uh there there, 878 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:08.439 Yeah, very intelligent kids. And yeah, I would not say particularly 879 01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:23.800 in ecology right at the right word, but from knowing these kids today, 880 01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:30.640 I would definitely say that they have a really good perspective about what's going on 881 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:38.960 in the world and ecologically and with pollution and stuff like that. They're very 882 01:24:39.000 --> 01:24:44.880 aware how that is going to play out. I mean, I am very 883 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:53.319 interested to see when this film is released, who will bring forward because I 884 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:57.720 would like to there are still people out there involved in this that were involved 885 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.760 in this incident that I have not been able to find. And I'm very 886 01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:06.640 interested to speak with people further down the road because you know, people evolve, 887 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.560 and in these kids, these guys near early in their mid twenties, 888 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:15.800 and I'm interested to see what these kids do in their thirties and forties and 889 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:24.119 sort of keep keep an eye on them. But now I really feel like 890 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:29.479 they're a lot of these really some wonderful kids. Honest, you know, 891 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:35.319 pretty pure and honest kids. Don't know how close are you do? Having 892 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:42.000 the movie ready, I'm still a few months away for sure. Okay, 893 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.560 but I'm talking away cool every day and every night. It's a lot of 894 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:51.399 work, a lot of footage to go through, and yeah, and they 895 01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:59.399 have it under the project section Current Projects on the John eMac Institute website. 896 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:04.479 I did what do you think? What are your I guess overall impressions of 897 01:26:04.520 --> 01:26:10.600 what happened? I don't know if you you probably asked yourself these questions, 898 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:18.039 but who landed and for what reasons? Good question. I'm not I'm not 899 01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:23.479 entirely sure what the reasons were. I mean, there there there's a lot 900 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:26.880 of thought, and the kids thought about this a lot, wondering what the 901 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:33.399 purpose was, whether they had some kind of mechanical issue or it was specifically 902 01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:44.159 designed for them to interact with these kids at this time. Yeah, I 903 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.359 mean, I'm definitely gonna get into those theories in the film because the kids 904 01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:51.439 brought them up. They were they were wondering, why did this occur? 905 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:58.640 Why does this occur at this time? You know, there's a lot of 906 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:00.920 other things that were going on that time. That was in South Africa right 907 01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:04.920 across the border they were going through. Was the end of part time Mandela 908 01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:12.319 was elected. I mean the very big change in the political turff. I 909 01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:20.319 mean in that that that that area, Yeah, a lot. There was 910 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:25.399 a lot of interesting stuff going on at that time, interesting things. M 911 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:30.279 h so yeah, so it's still just that and that often happens in this 912 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:36.960 The more we learned, it's still just as mysterious as it was before we 913 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:45.000 started. Mm hmm. A lot more data, but a lot more data 914 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:49.680 is needed, I guess before we can really reach answers. Yeah, there 915 01:27:49.960 --> 01:28:01.199 are big hole holes, uh that yeah, during but we're you know, 916 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:05.840 people, I guess there's been progress made over the decades, slowly, but 917 01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:15.560 surely what did you hear? What's going on? When with your what is 918 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:20.199 kind of your view is putting forth this movie? What do you hope or 919 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:29.199 the documentary? What do you hope people get from it? I just hope 920 01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:39.039 it opens people's minds a little bit. I think as a species we need 921 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:46.439 to we really need to be aware of, h h the potential impossibility of 922 01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:49.520 other life out there. I mean, it's just honestly in mind, it's 923 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:59.880 just a matter of time before we know it. From astronomical perspective, when 924 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:04.920 you know we're we're already finding these planets or ringing around other suns and it's 925 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:10.079 just a matter of time before we're going to nail life and say okay, 926 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.880 there's other life, and then it'll get to the conversation of more intelligent life. 927 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.920 But I think we really need you know, the responsible thing is a 928 01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:27.159 species is to be aware of of potential uh threat. I mean not necessarily. 929 01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:30.279 It doesn't necessarily have to be a threat, but the possibility of something 930 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:36.239 else out there. It's just wise if if it's not. I don't think 931 01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:43.439 it's a good approach to to look out out there and and immediately say it's 932 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.640 nothing's out there, nothing more intelligent than us is out there. I think 933 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:51.399 that's just not a good not a good approach. Yeah, baring our heads 934 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:58.720 is about the situation to facing it. Not a good answer, Yeah, 935 01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:00.239 and it does. It doesn't necessari only mean it's going to be bad, 936 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:08.319 but it could be right. And you know, if if we're not aware, 937 01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:14.880 then it doesn't matter because whatever's going to occur is going to occur. 938 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:19.439 You know. I I guess what's speak of it on a wildlife perspective, 939 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:24.159 you know, that's the same thing. Yeah, you have to be aware 940 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:29.479 of what else is out there. M Hm, well, we're about out 941 01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:33.880 of time, but thank you so much for joining me today, and I 942 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:39.119 really appreciate it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's an interesting 943 01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:42.520 case, and thank you so much for doing this. I mean, I 944 01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:46.319 think what you're doing is really important. I think John maxwork was important. 945 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:54.800 This case is so incredibly interesting. So it's I'm just I can't say how 946 01:30:54.840 --> 01:31:00.079 excited I am that you've picked up this project and you're doing this. And 947 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:04.359 it was a lot of fun, and it was really great meeting you also 948 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:09.439 at the UFO Congress. Yeah, that was that was an experience. I 949 01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.680 hadn't spoken in public for a long time. I was very I was very 950 01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.600 nervous. But yeah, it's been a lot of work. I can't even 951 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:19.399 tell you how much work has gone into this project. It'll be good when 952 01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:28.800 it's done, and hopefully it'll move the conversations forward somehow. And I think 953 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:30.840 it will. I hope, so I think I think it will too. 954 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:38.159 Actually, yeah, oh right, thanks, all right, thanks Alejandro. 955 01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:45.800 Okay, that's mister Rndy Nickerson And so, yeah, how exciting is this 956 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:49.319 documentary he's working on. This is going to be great, you know, 957 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:51.399 And like I said, I got to see you a little bit, and 958 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:57.920 the interviews are great with the kids who are twenty something. And his filmography 959 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:02.000 is great, really good because the camera work because he's got a great eye 960 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:06.720 for photography, so it's really pretty. So I'm really excited for this documentary. 961 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:13.680 You can go to jant John Emacs site. It's the John Macfoundation, 962 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.880 and if you click on projects, you'll see more about this project and hopefully 963 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:23.359 you'll see some updates there. Otherwise, I will certainly be keeping you up 964 01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:29.720 to date and hopefully we'll see this project finished by year's end. Thank you 965 01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:34.600 all so much for joining me again today. It's been a lot of fun. 966 01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:41.399 Be sure to check out UFO think tank dot com or that's just going 967 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:46.359 to redirect you actually to UFO DailyNews dot com. That's ufodailynews dot com for 968 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:54.039 the latest in UFO news, updates and everything going down. You can check 969 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:56.760 the newsfeed. I haven't written a lot of stories this past week because I've 970 01:32:56.760 --> 01:33:00.319 been busy at work and I've got this conference to work on. So go 971 01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:03.680 to the link. Register for the conference fast, you get yourself a seat 972 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:11.600 at the dinner and join us. Next week we'll have another exciting show and 973 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:17.119 again thank you too and enjoy the closes music by to Earth Minutes. Talk 974 01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:21.039 to you later. People. 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