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You're listening to the Downbeat on ninety
seven to one the Freak. It's the

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damn down Beat six thirty five.
Wake up weird with your pals right here,

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KT is our pal. He is
not here today. I think he's

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still in New York right probably you
really are the most devious Boston and Neil

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Yah, Well he did uh.
I guess The last post I saw from

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him was that Dave Matthews at MSG
and that was like Friday night. Yeah,

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so I don't know. I think
still sends us links. He sent

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me a very aggressive text, whoa
Dave Matthews man is not country? And

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then had a video of like a
minute clip of them sending a soul supers.

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How far did you make it through
the minute? Yeah? Four seconds?

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List how fast you scroll left or
right toward the bottom of your phone

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to get to the end and say, Jesus, how long is this?

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Just? What do I need for
the is? I was like, and

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it takes back interesting, interesting,
fascinating. Yeah, Old Caveo went to

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Madison Square Garden. I think two
nights unless that guy weaseled his way into

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Saturday Night Live. And he's the
type of person that would just kind of

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sit on that and not share with
us spring it. Uh huh? But

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OKT today or tomorrow. I think
tomorrow. I gotta confirm this, but

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I think we're gonna have a third
leg of the Stool named s word Steve.

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Stool's feeling already a little wibbly today
at six about about the tunk about.

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But I think Steve, Steve Shackelford
is going to join us, probably

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for the whole show. I want
to get to know Steve, Yeah,

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and what better way to get to
know someone is to work with him?

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Yeah, like closely? Yeah.
So I think tomorrow will be the Steve

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Show with us. Make a good
time of that. I'm off wedns Day,

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get an early kick Florida to hang
out with Sweet Vita for Thanksgiving?

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Is she gonna let you stay in
the house? I'm hoping? So?

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Yeah. You know what we do
every Thanksgiving? You know what the staple

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is for a Sarasota Thanksgiving meal?
Uh? I could think of some jokes,

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but I don't feel like it.
What do you got stone crabs?

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There? You go? You had
stone crabs? I have It's a delicious

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crab. Incredible you have stone crabs? JJ? No, what's the difference

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between them and the rest of the
crabs? I get real high before you

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eat them. Yeah, No,
it's just different, different type of crab.

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Yeah, and it's all kind of
claw, like a big, meaty,

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delicious claw. And they're served cold
with a like a nice mustard sauce

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or you can use a cocktail sauce
if you like, like True Lux on

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McKinney ab that's essentially a stone crab
restaurant. You still cook them alive,

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because you're supposed to cook them alive, right, No, what you do

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is, and I think by law, you you rip one off and then

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you leave the other one so they
can eat and defend themselves with their other

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claw. I'm kidding. Yeah,
so you don't actually kill them. No,

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you just steal one of their arms
and the plate as you're eating.

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Jesus, you don't kill them.
You steal one of their arms and leave.

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Yes, yeah, it's maybe that
simple, but it's better than killing

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them, better than throwing them in
a boiling pot alive, which is what

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they do with lobsters and most of
the crabs. You guys, I've seen

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videos. I have a fear of, like eating food that starts to move.

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Have you seen videos of that live
raw? I don't know if it's

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fish or and it just starts moving
on the plate. I don't know if

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it's real or not. Really.
Yeah, I don't know about that.

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Yeah, no, I think most
That's why I like all my food cooked.

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I like raw. You know,
as far as the preparation, I

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don't know how they cook it.
You said it's served cold, though it

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is served cold, but they cook
it, yeah, like the meat's obviously

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cooked, yes, yeah, yeah, otherwise it would just be this goo.

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Yeah, so they rip one off. I think they may have just

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changed the rule too, where you
can rib them both off. You know,

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how many do they have? Don't
most crabs have? They have two

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giant claws, and if you're lucky, they're giant. I mean, JJ,

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you can have them this size right
here, I mean about the size

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of I don't know, what is
that the size of a shoe. Yeah,

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A medium sized shoe, a smallish, a lady shoe, a lady

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seven and a half yeah, I
mean hell, maybe even well that's a

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nine, maybe bigger and sometimes just
like a like a giant baby shoe.

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But whatever. Like so, they
have their two main pinchers. Yes,

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but what about like, Okay,
so I don't know the other crabs like

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king crab Alaskan king, and then
you get the ones that you get up

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in Maine and soft shell. Yeah, but don't those like have more uniformly

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even sized crab legs? Yeah,
because what you're describing almost sounds like a

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lobster. All you know, all
you have is we have two main guys

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that are that's what you want.
All you eat from stone crabs, to

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my knowledge, I mean forever is
the claw. That's it. You don't

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touch the body soft shell crabs like
you've ran a crab bake in Maryland.

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Oh my god, it's amazing.
Old Bayon eat the whole thing. You

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ripped the top off the whole crab, and there's meat everywhere. I guess

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maybe it's either illegal or there's just
not enough meat in there to make it

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worth it. So you're just having
stone crab claws. Like if you go

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to Joe's Stone Crabs in Miami or
to True Lux or whoever, hm,

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you're just gonna get a plate with
two or three or for different sized crab

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stone crab claws, and they're pre
broken. They have very thick shell.

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You can't get into them. Man, these things have some defense. So

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we actually have a cracker like a
device, like a giant metal like a

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winch, kind of a cracker thing
that you and then well you open them

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up and it's you know, it's
delicious. Somebody on the text the two

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one four said it with the stone
crab, you rip off one claw because

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it can because it can grow back. Yeah, they regenerate. Yeah,

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I guess I didn't say that,
but yes, that's you rip one off

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and then the other one allows them
to eat and take care and then they

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regenerate. I wonder how what's going
on with that? Why don't we have

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that? And we talked about evolution
the other day, like give us another

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million years, what we'd be growing
stuff back? Why can't we? What's

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wrong with that? What's wrong with
us? Top of the pyramid here?

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Seriously? And a freaking salamander can
gross tail a crack. That'd be a

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game changer if it could grow back. No, no, not just a

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nus, but like all of it. The only thing that you won't like,

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I'm talking about extremities like toes,
legs, fingers, arms. Obviously

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your head's not going to grow back
if you get your head cut off.

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But could you have to live for
at least a while with a fake hand?

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Right? A lot of people would
see that guy. I wonder how

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long it takes the stone crab to
regrow a claw once mean fisherman takes it

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from him. Yeah, that's got
to hurt. It's like you just like

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think about it. You're just doing
crab stuff, just hanging out, and

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here comes a guy with a rubber
glove that just grabs you and just pulls

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your f and arm off and then
puts you back in the water. It's

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like, really, dude, trying
to watch the MAVs. I'm right handed

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one year. Each time a crab
molts, it has the ability to regenerate

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lost appendage. So molting is the
key to this regeneration that we haven't figured

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out yet. Also, we as
humans are generally not in enough danger.

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I think for evolution to kick in
and realize that we need to do a

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little molting and regrowth regeneration. I
think we're soft, soft boys anyway,

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delicious crap, most important. Thank
you, wake up your little sleepy head.

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It's time to get your stupid ass
armed. Crap. Dan the most

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importing things. They need to get
a one armed crap toos replace just a

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happy dancing stone crab. I mean
he's not real happy. He just had

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his arm severed by a fisherman.
About one good arm and the one little

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arm that's starting to come back.
I was in Corpus driving back on campus,

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you know, corpse Christy. There
was a crab crossing the street slowly

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and I was letting him pass.
I could have picked them up, cooked

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them, put some butter on him, not let him go. You said

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you put mustard on your crab.
You don't put just the standard butter,

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melted butter. No, no,
that's what I'm saying. Some crab is

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different. You don't do butter butter
sauce. I guess what are you called?

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Melted butter? Drawn butter? No? True? And I think this

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doestem from Joe's stone crabs. But
it's traditionally like a mustard. I think

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it's a little mayo blend like a
soft mustard. Is a traditional sauce?

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Sounds great? I actually don't love
it. I prefer nice cocktail sauce.

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But fantastic. Apparently we could have
taught crab for a long time, and

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maybe we'll bring it back if we
need Crab Junior later in the show.

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But I don't want to waste any
more time before we get to what I

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think we can call the most important
thing in the world, certainly for our

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lives. And it was the most
important thing on Friday. We talked about

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it a big album release for the
third and unfortunately final album from your band,

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The Bastards of Soul. But Friday
night was a sort of album release

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but viewing party for a documentary,
and I guess I'd rather you you explain

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it than me. We thought it
was, you know, to kind of

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you when you do these things,
you know, these album released things,

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it's typically based around a performance when
you come up with a newer band comes

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out with a new record, unless
you're just huge. Heck, there were

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only Stones did one for this most
recent album when they did those secret kind

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of pop up shows in New York. I think they did a handful of

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those around the country the world.
Whatever. You typically will have like a

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listening party in the beginning and the
band will come up and play maybe some

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cuts from the album or do a
whole set or whatever. But you have

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that well, unfortunately, you know, because our singer is from the Bastards

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of Soul passed away two years ago, it just didn't feel right to do

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that. We did that already.
We did that with Corners, the second

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album, where we kind of just
played a lot of the songs as instrumentals

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and then we had some guest singers
come up and do that. So that

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kind of already been done. And
with this being the final record, we

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were trying to figure out a way
to release this thing and do an event.

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And there's a documentary a guy that
named Paul Evettino that kind of followed

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the band around quite a bit and
just got a lot of footage of us

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live and in the studio and actually
directed i think our very first music video.

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Yeah, he did. He directed
the first video of the Waiting Time

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shot and directed that with his team. Anyway, he's a really good filmmaker,

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knows his way around all of that
aspect of it, camera work,

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editing, effects, post all that
stuff. He's very adept at that.

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So when I guess about a year
after Chadwick passed, He's like, I've

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got all this footage that is,
you know, just unused. I'd like

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to make a documentary about the band
and specifically about Chadwick Murray, our singer

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who we lost in September of twenty
twenty one, and we're like, yeah,

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man, go for it. He
got the blessing of Chadwick's wife,

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Hannah, and he sallied forth with
that and what we ended up doing with

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Paul Levatino and the band and Skin
and everybody kind of involved in our little

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family. So do you know what, why don't we show what you have?

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Maybe some clips from Europetime because it's
not quite done yet. And he

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put together some clips from what will
be a documentary and we showed those at

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two different screenings, one at seven
and one at nine on Friday night at

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Albo Draft House Seaters. We were
all there. We had a cocktail party

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upstairs. There was a DJ brought
in. DJ Double Piece from Las Vegas

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came in and she spawn all night. We had merch for sale. It

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was a good, cool vibe.
Tons of people I hadn't seen since the

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beginning of the pandemic. Tons of
people used to come to our shows.

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You know. It was a really
special night and you were there, yeah,

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And I was curious what your thoughts
were on the evening and specifically some

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of the stuff you saw in the
film, because you and I sat next

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to each other, and I know, I spent half the movie kind of

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with my left hand and my face
shielding the world from the fact that I

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was openly weeping in a movie theater. For the good portion of that of

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that footage, No, me and
Christina saw you crying, and we were

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actually like pointing and laughing the whole
time at what a little baby you look

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like. I'm glad I had my
face cover. No, we brought a

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listener, brought us hand kerchiefs,
like professional kerchiefs that we had in our

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pocket. Because I knew I was
in for it. I you whatever,

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Yeah, I mean, I know
Chadwick. I knew Chadwick had some beautiful

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conversations with him. I know,
just to varying degrees everyone in your band.

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Yeah, and that that is a
percentage of a fraction of your attachment

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obviously to all this in that project. But I was just killed by this,

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this film or documentary, the scenes
that we saw from it, it

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was beautiful. I didn't know what
it was. I didn't know what to

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expect. But essentially, it was
two months before Chadwick passed away that that

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you guys recorded all this and you
were trying to record it live to tape.

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How you call it right, we
wanted to do There's a couple of

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songs that we had that we felt
didn't fit the sonic vibe overall of the

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records that we were trying to make
as LPs. Yeah, like we're trying

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to kind of evolve into something a
little more progressive. Like the first album

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was very throwback sixties soul. The
second one, I think was kind of

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moving into like the early seventies,
and we kind of felt like we were

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going through a maturation and of an
evolution to get a little more progressive,

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to get a little more dynamic,
to get more in the post Motown or

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post early motown Stevie Wonder phase of
things, where the stuff's getting a little

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more advanced, a little more sophisticated. Yeah, but we had these two

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songs that were more throwback to old
school motown, and Skin said, why

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don't we just record a forty five. We'll just release it. Didn't have

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to be on an album, We'll
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single. Yeah. Brought in Paul
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and he shot everything, you know, conversations, mixing things that just weren't

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specific to the actual recording of the
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footage. I think in this I
know this is something you don't. I

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don't know if you like to talk
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it was covered in the in the
film about the ascension of Bastards of Soul

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and what was what it was becoming
and who's to say, No one knows,

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of all these incredible Dallas musicians were
like, this is it, this is

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the one. It's perfect, and
I hate the Bastards of Soul is such

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a cool name. It's such a
unique sound. No one's doing it.

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You guys all look cool. It's
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the one, And that is sort
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seemed to be intact, and then
the optimism of you guys recording in you

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know argyle is that Matt is Yeah, Matt Pett's Okay was he Centraumatic?

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Yes, okay, that's the drummer
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with It. I'm like, I
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him in forever. Not that his
look has changed. He looked exactly,

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it's exactly the same. I remember
leaning over to you when he first came

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on screen and I said, that
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not the the one of my favorite
people on the planet that I just don't

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get to see enough. Yeah,
he's truly one of the best people that

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I know in my entire life.
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producer, look just the to for
someone all layman like me to see

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the procedure of how this works,
you know, is always fun and the

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little arguments that are very passive arguments. And this is you know, among

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friends who love each other but disagreeing
on a song, and then how to

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quietly argue your point respectfully because we're
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get to the same place somehow beautiful
and interesting. But the point of the

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movie was Chadwick and his story and
his ultimate passing. And you know,

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legacy leaves in his family and Hannah
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and and I knew that was going
to destroy me. I I talked to

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Skin and he said that you intend
or actively didn't see really any of this

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thing until Friday night. Yeah,
right, And whether it's not a place

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you don't want to go to,
if you have the choice or can't handle

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it or whatever. I mean,
any excuse is acceptable. The reason that

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I didn't want to see it is
being so close to that situation that banned

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those people is I My fear was
that I would watch a rough cut of

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it. I didn't want to have
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Because if you have opinions about something
that is your, you know, part

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of your life, part of your
work, and maybe you don't disagree,

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maybe you disagree with some of the
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I didn't want to have any of
that. I'd never wanted to feel

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compelled to be that guy that's like, hey, at an hour and five

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minutes, you know that segue into
that is a little awkward, Or I

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think you lingered on this studio scene
too long, or do we really need

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that much footage of this in there. I don't want to have any of

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the opinions because number one, I'm
not a filmmaker, and the last thing

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a filmmaker wants to hear when he's
trying to go through his process is suggestions

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from the theater gallery of hey man, this is what you should have done.

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Now, this is what you really
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That's the last thing you want to
hear. And I just didn't want to

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even be tempted. I didn't want
to be tempted to have the notion to

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pick up the phone or send a
text and have any comment on the on

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on his film whatsoever. Yeah,
and I'm glad, Yeah, because what

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I saw the unfinished work, this
thing is going to be efing. I

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think it's going to be effing incredible. I'm way too close to it to

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really make a valid assumption of it, but I think it's going to be

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special. Yeah, you're right.
It was excellent, incredibly well done,

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brutal, I mean, you know, it's the truth though. And the

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footage they have of Chadwick, which
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of his passing, and while Hannah's
pregnant, oh boy, there's a few

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spots before we even got to the
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And Chadwick get home Yeah, that
was Some sentences are hard to say,

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but when they're built, you know, they have a crib they just built,

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you know, And he has a
rocking chair that he's like always wanted

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this right by the window, you
know, and to know that he would

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never hold you know, Lennox,
his his kid is just it's real.

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It's if even if you had never
met any y'all. That's a tough story,

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and it's the story of a guy
who who got I took it as

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this like finally got everything he always
wanted and deserved and worked for and worked

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yeah, earned, And it's a
lot of a lot of negative stuff to

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get to that he got it all. I mean he and then the ultimate

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cruelty. Yeah he was. He
had a difficult childhood, he had a

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difficult high school. He was a
diabetic. He went through addiction problems.

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I mean, he had problems with
uh, you know, with substances growing

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up as a lot of us did, you know. And he got a

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handle on that and he got sober
and you know, met his wife,

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the love of his life that he
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first child, and their child was born

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roughly a week or so before he
ultimately passed away, and he was,

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you know, in the same hospital. He died in the same hospital that

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his baby was born. And I
never and because of COVID, because of

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the way the way the world was
then, they didn't want any kind of

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cross potential for cross contamination. And
Chadwick didn't ever have COVID, but he

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had a some weird pre existing autoimmune
condition that attacked his lungs and when he

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was forty five years old, his
life and you know, he wasn't conscious

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and awake and alert to be able
to experience his son being born. It's

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horrible. But the thing that I
did find hopeful about it, and I

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know we're late, but I'll be
very quick with this is because of the

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time that all of these events occurred. And I think this is pretty well

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represented in the film in a non
ham fisted way, is that the age

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of everybody is a little bit older. We're not experiencing the death of our

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friend and our bandmate when we're twenty
three, which you would have handled those

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things a lot differently. The attitudes
would have been differently. There is a

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definite emotional agility and emotional maturity in
the message, if there is a message,

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but in the vibe of this film
that when you hear people reflecting and

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talking about Chadwick's life, it's from
a very kind of realized that these people

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are more realized speaking about these events
than they would have been when they were

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in their early twenties, your early
twenties, Like, yeah, man,

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it was efed up, bro,
Yeah, you know, we went up

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and got hammered that night, and
it's just different. You know, that's

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very reflective. And I thought Matt
Pence was so eloquent. I thought skins

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comments were so eloquent. I thought
that Matt Trimble, our drummer's comments were

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so incredibly eloquent. Hannah's approach to
it, his widow is just so it's

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such a blessing to be around people
that just are freaking normal adults. Yeah,

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you know, And I don't know, there's a sentiment there's a beauty

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to the film that I cannot wait
for people to see this when it comes

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out in the spring, when it's
finally done. But boy, if that's

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any indicator of what this thing's going
to be when it's finished, I mean

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Pete Friedman longtime critic for Central Track
and now Worksilver w FAA. He was

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there and he tweeted that night he
says, this will no doubt be the

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best film about music to ever come
out of Dallas, hands down. From

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Pete. That is hot ass praise
he will into he will. It is

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incredible and I was honored to sit
by you and sit in the room with

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a lot of the people who are
in that thing and be one of the

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people to see it first spring.
I don't know. We'll keep you posted

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on where and when you can actually
see this bad Boy, but for now,

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give it right back. New Bastards
of Soul album just came out last

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weekend. Good people, good people
from this here town. All right,

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let's do a little sports at seven. Your cowboys just strutted into Carolina and

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got a damn win. How I
don't know. We probably will screw around

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and not really talk about it,
but we'll touch on Cowboys Panthers next ninety

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seven when the freak