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What is krack alacking hardwknocks listeners.
I am Dan Valley coming at you without

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in the Friday morning with our trade deadline

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winners and losers. But so much
stuff happened Monday into Tuesday and on Sunday,

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I thought it made sense to sort
of get to all of those moves.

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Already talked about the carasel Our trade
and Norman Palle trades, and we're

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talking about the King's Pacers trade and
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the way I'm gonna break this down
is, we have a lot of overarching

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questions about these trades specifically, so
as I tackled them in kind, I'm

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gonna try and get to any questions
that pertained to them, and so I'll

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scroll through. I think we actually
just had the most about the King's Pacers

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trade. But let's start with the
first trade that happened, and it was

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the Pelicans acquiring CJ. McCollum from
the Blazers, who continue to tear their

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roster down. The rumor is that
they're not really rebuilding. They intend to

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reload around Damian Lillard. That'll be
part of the calculus. Let's get to

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the details very quickly. The Blazers
are sending CJ. McCollum, Larry Nance

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Junior, and Tony Snell to the
New Orleans Pelicans for Josh hart Nikkil,

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Alexander Walker, Thomas Sadaranski, D. D. Lozada, twenty twenty two

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first round pick and two second rounders. The first rounder that New Orleans is

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sending to Portland is will only convey
if it lands between numbers five and fourteen.

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That pick was originally lottery protected oh
de Charlotte. They reworked the protections

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on it, so now if it
lands five to fourteen, it will go

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to Portland. However, if it
doesn't, if it lands one, two,

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three, four, or if it
lands fifteen through thirty, it will

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not go to Portland. And it's
been phrased as that first round commitment will

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still be a first round commitment and
it kicks in to the future. I've

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yet to see the pick details on
this, and I was going through it.

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This is, you know, four
am on Wednesday morning at this point,

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and I haven't seen anything. If
I missed it, you can get

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at me. But the Pelicans have
a treasure trove of picks here, so

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they can offer a lot of different
things to Portland. Let's start with so

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that I can timestamp this properly.
Let's start with the Pelican side of this.

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I think there are negative connotations when
you see a team that's not a

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contender give up a first round and
I just don't feel that way here.

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I was listening to and this wasn't
actually the basis of what I wrote when

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I gave the Pelicans some favorable thoughts. I was listening to the in The

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No Podcast, another Blue Ire podcast
hosted by Schmittdwan Mason Ginsburg. Check it

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out if you were interested in hearing
more about the Pelicans, and they noted

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that people killed the Pelicans for prioritizing
cap space and then missing out on Kyle

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Lowry this past summer as an example. And so now the Pelicans go out

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and just get a guy in CJ. McCollum who addresses a need and people

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are worried about the luxury tax implications
because they have inside of six million dollars

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of room now below the luxury tax
inside of eight million I think next year

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if the sheet I have is correct, And so that's just like a big

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deal because the Pelicans aren't gonna win
a championship in one of the next two

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seasons. I don't care. I
understand that TJ. McCollum is expensive two

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years and based at least seventy million
dollars left on his deal, but he

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addresses a big need for the Pelicans, who have quietly their their defense has

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outperformed their offense this season. A
large part of that is Zion Williamson being

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out. An even bigger part of
that is the fact that their backcourt rotation

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has been banged up and buying large
just absolute shit. They are twenty eight

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their guards and combined three point percentage, and no backcourt is less efficient when

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it comes to off the dribble jumpers
this season. Those numbers are per NBA

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dot Com And so, yeah,
CJ is gonna come in. I don't

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know if he helps a defense that's
been roughly league average for more for over

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their past thirty games. At least
when you look at the numbers. They

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still struggle to get stops in the
half court. That's been a little bit

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better since the new year. CJ's
not going to help you control the glass.

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He's not going to help you.
You know, he's going to be

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a risk if you're getting screen.
He's not going to help you prevent ponents

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from getting out in transition. But
you know, and Josh Hart, you

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know, let's not lose sight of
them giving him up here. He wasn't

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important to how the pell Plans were
defending in the way that they were defending.

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I just can't bring myself to care
because the offense was the bigger need

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right now, and this CJ McComb
contract one they still have wiggle room under

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the tax, and two he comes
off the books when Zion Williams's next deal

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is going to kick in. And
so I'm not going to get into the

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logistics of all will Zion even be
there. I'll just believe it if he

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wants out when I see it,
because we've just never seen someone walk away

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from the type of money from which
he would have to walk away in essence,

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so and just the injury this season
to his foot and not having played,

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not knowing if he's going to play, it doesn't really have a ton

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of leverage to just be like,
yeah, I'm gonna let this ride.

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I'll play out on my qualifying offer
and then enter unrestricted free agency. I

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just doubt that happens. And also, if that is something the Pelicans are

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worried about, you make a trade
like this to try to maximize what's going

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on around him. I think McCollum
is going to be a good fit next

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to Zion. He's played off the
ball a ton in Portland his whole career.

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Next to Dame, he is shooting
better than thirty six point five percent

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on off the dribble threes over each
of the past two seasons. He's been

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amid range Maestro. I don't concern
myself with the way he's going to age

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as much. I guess as others. He's a bucket getter, for one,

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but thirty years is not necessarily ancient. And we're talking about a guy

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who doesn't necessarily have to adjust his
game as he ages, because it's not

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pride and on explosion or playing above
the rim. It's basically just the opposite.

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It's smoothness, fluidity, craft.
So he gives the Pelican some of

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that. Those in between shops he
can work is sort of a secondary setup

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man. He's improved with that over
the years. I don't know if you

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necessarily want him running units on your
own. I think it depends on the

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defensive personnel that you're going to have
around him here. As the guys on

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the Indo podcast did point out,
there could be some overlap with brandon Ingram

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Offensively, that was just not give
a ton of consideration too. When I

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was thinking about this trade in the
moment, I just ultimately think, especially

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with Zion out for now, his
experience, CJ's playing in Portland next to

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Damian Lillard, but also having Anthony
Simons there, seeing some of the guard

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rotations that they ran out. I
don't. I just don't think he's gonna

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have an issue fitting in here,
and he fills this this huge need.

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And I ended up liking this deal
for the Pelicans because they didn't give up

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a prime time asset. I was
a huge n kill Alexander Walker fan.

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But he's just like chaotically erratic at
this point. And unless he's gonna learn

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to be more of a complimentary player
who doesn't need the ball in his hands,

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they've gotten a player who can now
do that in CJ. Josh Hart

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is a loss to be sure,
and he was on a friendly contract,

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a non guaranteed salary for next season
before a player option the following season after

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that. One of the weirdest deals, by the way that I could remember.

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Well, there's only one season guaranteed, but the second is team control,

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in the third is a player option. Interesting structure there. I was

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surprised that he didn't get like multi
year guaranteed money worth more than that on

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the market this past summer. Neither
here nor there. He's not a player

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that necessarily quibble about losing, and
he's all he's He's one of those guys

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where you think in theory he is
shooting better from three point range than he

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actually is without fail every single season, and so there's a real upgrade here.

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And unless I find out that the
pick that Portland gave up is like

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I don't even like an unprotected pick
next season, just like there's I'm not

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going to be able to hate this
deal. In fact, I like it.

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I know people have mentioned that maybe
they'll reroute Larry Nance junior given that

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Jackson Hayes has played a lot better. They have you on his sound junis

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and then Zion Williamson long term.
I just I wrote about this, the

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front line lineup packages they can now
roll out there. I love them,

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and I would keep Larry NaNs junior
and alleged me is someone will give you

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a first round pick for him,
or blow you away with an offer that

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continues to upgrade your back quarter deep
in your your wing rotation, then maybe

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consider it. But I don't have
a problem with them just keeping Larry NaN's

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junior. He's been banged up again, as he's want to be, as

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he tends to be. You could
also try moving him over the off season

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or in the next season when Zion
comes back. You have a better feel

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for what this team is. There's
still another year at sub ten million dollars

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at sub mid level money at this
point on his contract, and so that

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was another huge part of this is
this is not a throwaway player. The

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Blazers gave up a first round pick
to get Larry Nashtnor over the summer,

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a trade again that I liked for
them, because there's gonna be some criticism

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or at least confusion with the Blazers
coming up, and so I just don't

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I don't understand what the actual problem
is with this deal. The opportunity cost

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wasn't too high. Yes, they're
paying CJ. But like your books,

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just become flexible again and in two
years there are extensions that can happen in

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things. But we're talking about the
first year of Zion williams Is next deal,

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which also just happens to be the
final season of Brandon Ingram's. Excuse

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me, CJ McCullum is excuse me, I'm miss speaking. She mculloms off

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the books the year after Zion Williams's
deal kicks in, and the year after

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with two years left on brand Ingram's
contract. So just to clarify, some

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someing through that. McCollum the final
year of his contract will also be the

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first of Zion's big deal, So
you do have a year where you could

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be incredibly expensive, but there's wiggle
room to deal with next season. And

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look, you worry just about that
when the time comes. You have DeVante

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Graham the year that we're talking about
twenty twenty three twenty twenty four, again

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that projects to be the first year
of Zion's next deal. You have DeVante

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Graham at twelve point one million,
Valentcutist fifteen point four, brandon Ingram at

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thirty three point eight, and CJ. McCollum at thirty five point eight.

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The McCollum one is egregious. The
brandon Ingram one is very high on Zion

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on a max. Presumably none of
those deals are removable. McCollum will be

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in his age thirty two season,
but unless he sucks as an expiring contract,

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you could still probably break him up
in your smaller ones, or there

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are something you can do there.
Brand Ingram is going to be young enough

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to where, if he's continuing to
play it at this level, you're gonna

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be able to move him when he
has two years left on his deal,

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including that one and then Valancunis and
DeVante Graham. That's technically the final year

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of Graham's deal. There's a non
guarantee in his fourth year. Those are

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both expiring contracts that you can move
there. Well. Jonas will definitely be

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a quality player. Graham shot making
his suffered. I'm interested to see if

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he's maybe the person who benefits a
lot from CJ being here just to sort

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of clean up his shot quality.
I also don't know why you would play

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those two together that often, certainly
starting them for now, but just if

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you have the option, I would
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You could use it as CJ.
Which he's just making so much money.

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That doesn't really track with me.
And that will be even concern is

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how do they sort of defend like
this? They don't have a ton of

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great options. Herb Jones is an
absolute monster, and is it might be

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candidate. I'm not talking about just
like rookie an all rookie team. He

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might be just an all defensive candidate
period. Again, I haven't gone through

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that yet though, And you still
do have Trey Murphy on this roster,

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who gives you some positional malluability.
It's not outside the realm of possibility where

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if you actually start playing him heavy
minutes, yeah, he can log some

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time for you at the two.
And so they'd have a lot of options

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here, And I don't think they
tethered themselves to anything too restrictive. Just

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to be honest with you, if
you have a problem with them with the

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opportunity costs here, I honestly don't
know what to tell you. Cashpas isn't

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gonna mean as much in a market
like New Orleans. We just saw it

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this past summer and they went out. They got a higher quality player who's

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been a proven performer through a lot
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The Pelicans who project to make to
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of look at how the rest of
the Western Conference is settled below them,

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they might be able to cause some
problems. I mean, just an offense,

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what if we get to see a
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Tunis and Zion Williamson and then I'd
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like if DeVante Graham's on the court
for those minutes, like that lineup is

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going to be absolutely bonkers when it
comes to scoring. Good luck keeping keeping

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up with them there, and you
now have this variety of ways that you

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can close games if you do,
in fact keep lionar NaN's junior could maybe

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see some small ball five from him
where no, you don't want to put

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you want to sound Tunis on the
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Then nan Zion front court with maybe
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I desperately would want to see.
I like this trade for the Pelicans.

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It's an acceleration, I guess,
but it's not an egregious one. I

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don't view it as David Griffin making
this panic move. I know people believe

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he's on the hot seat, and
he probably is. I just again,

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what was the prime time asset they
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Is it Niki Alexander Walker? Like? Do you think he's gonna blow

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up? Is it? I suppose
if they send a lottery pick like that,

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that is something thinking about a lottery
pick for Shiji McCullum. But you

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also got larn Nis Junior as part
of this equation, so we romanticize picks

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the Pelicans have a ton of them. They were built for sort of a

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consolidation trade, and this is just
like that in miniature. It's nothing that's

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too much of a home run swing, but it's better than a needless single

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here. So I really liked the
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it for Portland, I think.
And I mentioned this on our last podcast,

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Terribone. Biggs from We Have a
Take does a fantastic job covering the

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Blazers and talking about so many elements
of the NBA, including some just more

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offbeat and fun light angles that I
really that really provide a nice break for

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me. In addition to again just
solid hoops announces if you listen to this

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podcast, you know who Tara is. She just pointed out that they have

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chosen a direction and there is value
in that. I agree. They were

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sort of We've mentioned this in the
podcast before too, just tottering in this

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weird area in which they were hitting
singles and doubles when ever going for triples

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and home runs. This is not
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set you up to make that move. You could have more than sixty million

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dollars in cap space. This summer, you have this big gass trade exception.

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Now there. Look when you're listening
to this, maybe it's stayed it

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already, like you just have expiring
contracts the lore at this point. Also

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in Eric Bletsoe Thomas Saduranski, you
have an extra first round pick in your

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clip two beats interprete when it conveys
that that you can move so they can

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continue to do things, and rumor
has it per I think with multiple reports

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that they're still looking to kind of
compete around Dame next season, making this

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a one year tank. They'll keep
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the moment, there's real thought behind
that. I just think where I ultimately

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landed with the Blazers on this is
it may be the right direction that they're

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headed, or maybe this was necessary
and the new found flexibility is valuable,

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but I just feel like they're carving
out a less than efficient path to try

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getting where they're going. I kind
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both of these Powell and mccollumn trades
where they're not getting just a ton of

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value outside of that flexibility. Back
again, you really have to fall in

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love with Josh Hard ri Kill,
Alexander Walker, Keyan Johnson or or that

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first round pick that New Orleans ascending. And it's more of a hodgepodge than

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something that's like this central asset.
That may say more about the market or

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the length of Norman Powell's deal,
just because he had four years on it

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after this one and CJ. McCollum
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for someone who's more of an two
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to call him, and was just
so expensive in general, I you could

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you could have ducked the tacks this
season and sort of reevaluated in the off

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season when there would have been more
roster flexibility around the NBA and perhaps more

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suitors willing to certainly go after Norman
Powells. This was the CJ trade.

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You can sign yourself too. I
know Norman Powell's game is predicated. I'm

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more explosion, but I'm not necessarily
worried about the way he ages, especially

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when we've seen the way that Eric
Gordon has aged. They're been injuries,

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but he's still able to put legit
pressure on the rim. I know those

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are two different players, but like
they play sort of the same style where

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you don't know, you don't necessarily
want them creating, but he puts pressure

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on the rim and can hit hit
threes. So I'm more optimistic there than

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most people. And maybe it just
turns out that this was the necessary path,

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that this was the correct path.
And right now, though, it

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feels sort of underwhelming, and I
don't like necessarily zooming out to look back

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at Oh, these are what the
assets were, and these are what the

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Blazers turned into them. But the
window that we're looking at here is so

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truncated that I can't help but think
that way. And so, dating back

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to the twenty twenty offseason when they
first traded for Robert Covington, these are

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the original assets. They've now effectively
turned CJ McCollum, Gary Trent Jr.

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And three first round picks into Josh
Hart Keyon Johnson. They kill Alexander Walker,

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d d Lozada, Jessie Selinslow,
Eric Blesow, Thomas Aderanski, a

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first round pick, three second round
picks, that big ass trade exception which

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maybe they'll use to get Jeremy Grant, and then more than fifty million dollars

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in cap space this summer as my
friend and colleague Bryant to Porrek likes to

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say, if the Blazers are lucky, they might be able to parlay that

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cap space or that pick or that
huge trade exception into players who were just

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as good. Is CJ. McCollum
or Gary Trent Junior so or some of

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the players that became part of this
trade tree a Norman Powell for instance,

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Larry nag Junior for instance. That
is, it's underwhelming in some right now,

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and we can wait until after Thursday
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I'm not even shitting on the thought
process here, because the Blazers were maybe

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they got frisky if Dame ever came
back and was healthy, or if they

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were ever at full strength, they
saw an up to can play from Robert

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Covington off the bench before they traded
him. User nurkicch is. You know,

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when you look at his numbers,
he's been really good for this past

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recent portion of the season as well. Were they a contender? No,

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And I liked a lot of the
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But now that they're sort of just
divesting them, I'm confused, and it

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felt it feels like the kindest thing
I can say is they might want too

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far, or we need to fast
forward to really see what these deals are

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going to become. And you can
say that about any trade, and it's

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fair that maybe we'll look back and
this is a terrible take. I also

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recognize that Joe Cronin is inheriting a
lot of the gistical obstacles here. That's

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not going to change how I feel
about the value he's gotten in tearing down

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the Blazers. Again, the direction
itself, as Tara's has stutely reminded me,

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is valuable when she's one hundred percent
right, and that's not something that

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I necessarily gave enough crans to in
the beginning before speaking with her. However,

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the means by which they're getting there, they just feel too slap dash,

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too haphazard, too confusing, too
uncertain, too ambiguous, and I

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need to have more clarity the other
element of this, if you want to

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look that way, as they now
are going to pay Anthony Simons, He's

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had a spectacularly year. He's hitting
more of his off the dribble threes in

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recent weeks. He's shown that he
can knock down stuff off the catch.

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He's really, I think he's really
improved his passing. He's deferring on a

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higher percentage of his drives, He's
assist percentage is higher. He has benefited

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from playing alongside guys like a use
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or Dame who can take the one
dribbles and hit shots and then he gets

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credit for the assist. They're not
these super complicated passes. But this is

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also not the same player we saw
in previous years who was pretty limited there.

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That's fine, and that the plazers
wanted to plan around this. They

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could have kept him anyway, and
then you figure out your tax situation if

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you needed to. Then it is
pretty clear, though I would think that

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they're I would be shocked if they
don't resign him this summer. If they're

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looking at sign and trades and earios
because of Detroit, maybe comes calling and

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likes the idea of him next to
Kag Cunningham, which you know, frankly

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I don't hate. Depending depending on
the cost there, even in Indiana.

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Now, well they were teamed with
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so never mind. But yeah,
there's just not going to be like

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a ton of teams with cap space
at the moment, and I would just

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be surprised if signed. The entire
point of these moves feels like they needed

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The Blazers wanted to reset. That's
what Joe Cronin wanted to do. But

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also they're planning around Anthony Simon's next
contract, and so I'd be floored if

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if he's not there. I know
people are just gonna assume that this makes

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day more available. We gotta get
the jokes are fine. Honestly, they

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could be disingenuous. That's not gonna
bother me. They'll probably piss off some

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Blazers fans if it's really all in
good jests and you're not taking it too

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seriously. But if you actually believe
the Blazers weren't in constant contact with David

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Lollard throughout this process, I don't
really know what to tell you, and

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that to me signals a couple of
things. He's either on board with this,

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which is not hard to envision if
they're selling him on this sort of

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one year tank while he's recovering from
abdominal surgery, and then also they're planning

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on giving him the two year max
extension that he wants over the offseason.

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That's a very believable route. Or
they've now given him an out. I'm

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not going to predict that he requests
a trade imminently, but now he gets

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to leave and there's just there's zero
criticism. It's a guilt free path towards

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the exit. And he was probably
always going to be absolved of more blame

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than most to have asked for out, just because of the connection he's had

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with the team and how much we
know that he's valued at as a teammate,

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although as a decide. There was
an interview the Raptors podcast and I

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think it showed on TSN was talking
to Gary Trent Junior's dad and he was

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lamenting the lack of joy g TJ
was playing with in Portland towards the end,

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which just makes me want to say, fuck you and you old shit.

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I don't know what you did,
sorry quick quick tangent there, but

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yeah, like there still would have
been oh you dame, ran from the

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grind or whatever said and tweet that
stuff will still be out there, but

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we'll hold less weight now because Damian
Lillard has stuck around like past CJ McCullum,

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it's it's a tear down. Are
the Blazers kind of forcing him out?

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That's how it could be viewed.
I honestly don't think they are.

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I think they truly believe that they
can rebuild this thing quickly, or reset

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it, reinvent it, whatever the
hell, restructure it, whatever the hell

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it's called these days. I don't
know that they're right. I need to

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see what they turn all this newfound
flexibility into first, But I do think

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that Dame's like sort of a low
key winner here that he's either gonna get

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paid this Offsea Sason. He's either
going to be on a different team,

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a team that's angling for something bigger, even if it takes and you know,

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not just this season but next season, or now he's just can request

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a trade without feeling bad the Blazers
decided to go this route. You look

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at his age, the point at
which he is in his career, and

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you wouldn't be able to blame him
for saying, hey, I'd rather plan

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a team better fit to contend or
even flirt with contending for for a title.

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And so I think that's an interesting
element of all this and something we

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will need to watch. I'll go
through really quick. I don't think we

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had any specific questions on this trade, actually, so I was just going

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to talk about it. We have
a ton of questions on this King's Pacers

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trade, though, so let's get
to the details of the King's Pacers trade.

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The Pacers are sending Domasa Bonus Justin
Holiday, Jeremy lamb At a twenty

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twenty seven second round pick to the
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and Tristan Thompson. Another side know
this deals Indiana has created a ten

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point five million dollar traded player exception
the questions, let's look at the general

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runs. Luke Street ask, can
we just force the King's owner, the

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Vecrana DVA, to sell and move
the team to Seattle really quickly? There.

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I'm not a proponent of relocation.
I want expansion, get Seattle team.

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I don't want it to come at
the expense of any current NBA market,

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and I think there's enough talent for
expansion. But we'll get to the

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crux of Luke's question. Of course, we also have a question from burb

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but why are the Kings just setting
their franchise back years with this move who

402
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not a lot of love for the
not a lot of love for the Kings

403
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,240
in this And I believe we have
a couple of other questions from Discord as

404
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,640
well. There's another plug for the
for the Discord, so blah blah blah.

405
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400
Maybe we don't have any King's question. We do have one from Salamander

406
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,839
the Fourth, but it's a ranking
king's mistakes question. If anyone else asked

407
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,519
a general question on the Kings,
I'm looping yours into here. So we'll

408
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,039
get to Salamander the fourth question at
the end of this segment, and I

409
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:15,799
guess we'll begin with the Kings,
and we do have a Pacers question on

410
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,720
this as well, so let's work
through it that way. I gave the

411
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,759
Kings a two B determined to grade
on this. There's an immediate inclination to

412
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,400
scribble Kangs and just move on.
I get it. They are trading no

413
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:33,319
worse than their second most important building
block for a two time All Star who

414
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,400
portends is a questionable fit alongside Daron
Fox that feels painfully on brand and stupid

415
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:45,000
in so many ways at the same
time. This is the Kings in some

416
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:49,319
respects finally doing or at least attempting
to do what's been demanded of them for

417
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,880
approximately forever at this point. And
that's and I wrote this or made them

418
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,759
something anything literally at all that implies
disdained toward contending for only tenth place finishes

419
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,799
and still coming up short by that
low bar. They're getting the best player

420
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,039
in this deal. Domaso Bonus is
twenty five. He's a two time All

421
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,680
Star. He wanted to be in
California for multiple reports. It can be

422
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,599
the central nervous system of an offense
like this is someone there's I think people

423
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:23,119
don't understand how physical he is sometimes
how much of a good screen setter he

424
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,440
is. But he can navigate the
floor with the ball in his hands from

425
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,920
from pretty much anywhere. And then
there's also just like his passing, he

426
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,559
can devastate from stand still. That's
the best way I could describe his passing.

427
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,880
All this being said, also,
he's under contract for another two years

428
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:45,240
at just like a very reasonable cost, So he was the best player in

429
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,440
this deal. The Kings went after
the higher end talent, and I get

430
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,599
that, but the fit is also
questionable. Alongside Daron Fox, I caught

431
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,599
a lot of ship from not a
lot of ship. But some Kings fans

432
00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:00,240
on Twitter are saying that I was
overestimating the struggles that Fox and some oonas

433
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,720
would go through together. Maybe I
am, But the best way to optimize

434
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:08,240
the bonus is to surround him with
shooting and cutting. You're bringing some of

435
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:14,079
that over in justin holiday maybe Jeremy
Lamb depend depending on the day or if

436
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:15,640
the King's play him. But like, there isn't a whole lot else you

437
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:22,480
can picture, like dearon Fox,
you know, just blurring around away from

438
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,359
the ball. But do the Kings
have the half courts facing for him to

439
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,079
do that? They traded away They're
two leaders and three point makes in Buddy

440
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,279
Healed and Tyrese Haliburton. I'm not
I'm not Lamb pooting that decision. I'm

441
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:38,599
sure getting rid of Buddy Healed was
a side benefit for them, just given

442
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,400
his body language, and over the
course of the past couple of seasons,

443
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,160
it just seemed like this was faded
complete for divorce. They tried to trade

444
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,319
him to the Lakers of the offseason, but LA pivoted into that disastrous Russell

445
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,839
Westbrook created just so many other decisions
at front office in La. My fucking

446
00:29:53,920 --> 00:30:00,640
god. Anyway, the talent play
the Kings are making without surrendering future draft

447
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,680
pick is bold and it is arguably
necessary. To me, though this is

448
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,240
not totally clarifying, and that's really
the main problem there. I think there's

449
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:15,480
gonna be a struggle with Sabonis,
who he is shooting roughly like thirty one

450
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,920
percent from deep over the past three
seasons, and those common just two attempts

451
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,559
per game. He's only shot about
forty percent from mid range twice in his

452
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,440
career and not since twenty nineteen twenty, and mid range looks have never just

453
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,839
accounted for the huge volume of his
offense. His floor game will help them

454
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,279
there, but you do still need
space to operate, and oh Rashaun Holmes

455
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,559
is still there as of this recording. Maybe they reroute him, but that's

456
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,079
going to be an even clunkier fit
than Sibonis and Turner, who were,

457
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,160
like, yeah, they tried to
sometimes occupy the same spaces on offense,

458
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,359
but they were two very different players
who still worked sort of well together.

459
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,000
And that did feel a lot like
Miles Turner felt like he wasn't being maximized

460
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:59,240
or at least featured enough so that
would be an even tougher fit if Sacramental

461
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,200
plans on playing Zabonus and Homes together
the rest of the season. You're also

462
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:08,400
now left with just two players on
the Kings shooting above average clips from three,

463
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,359
so above thirty four point nine percent
from deep for the season, not

464
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,400
at least one per tempt one attempts
per name, Harrison Barnes and Justin Hollid

465
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,319
necomer Justin Hollie. That is not
enough shooting. And you're still to me,

466
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200
you're still light on wings. You
have Justin Holliday, I don't consider

467
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,920
Jeremy Lamb and Wing. I don't
consider Harrison Borrow wing be Honestly, I

468
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,039
think it's more of this like fringe
big someone who should play before you can

469
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,440
even argue that Justin Holliday is like
more of a swing man. But he

470
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,279
had he had at times locked back
up four minutes with Indie and he can

471
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,640
definitely play some three. So I
won't, you know, crucify the Kings

472
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,200
for that. There are still voids
on this roster and we need to see

473
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:47,279
what they do from here. And
there's also the element of this probably just

474
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,119
dips like too far into what the
pacers are and I will get to them

475
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,440
in a second. Halibert was really
fucking good and it's just interesting that Monty

476
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,079
McNair and crew made this decision now
when they're responsible for finding Sorry Salibert at

477
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,359
number twelve. He is one of
the most efficient author dribble shooters this season.

478
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
I think it's fair to say that
he doesn't look for his own shot

479
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,839
enough, but he can still run
an offense with his passing. He throws

480
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,559
good lobs, he can hit guys
on dives. We've seen him just for

481
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,759
good chemistry. I feel like with
every single one in Sacramental's Biggs, based

482
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:24,359
off what I've I've seen from him, just offloading him age twenty one,

483
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,079
two more years left on his rookie
scale, that is it's a it's an

484
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,079
interesting decision. It's a ball decision. That's the word we use before.

485
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,839
And now you're tethered to like are
you paying the Aaron Fox and Davidan Mitchell

486
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,559
together and definitely on Fox just returned
from I think it was an ankle injury.

487
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,039
That's not You're not getting enough shooting
from them. How does this even

488
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,440
impact the Aaron Fox? Is he
going to be displaced from the ball because

489
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,920
they want to run through as a
bonus. I just don't know that Sacramental

490
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,000
has the half courts basing to maximize
that. Are you staggering their minutes more

491
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:57,599
heavily. That sort of defeats the
purpose of having too what the King clearly

492
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,680
consider all star caliber players. I
don't know whether this trade was more about

493
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:07,160
the opportunity to get Si Bonus or
if it was Sacramento picking Fox over Haliburton.

494
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:08,839
I'm just gonna assume it's the former, because they didn't need to make

495
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,200
the latter decision. Haliburton and Fox
can work, but that was not among

496
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,119
the many problems that the Kings have. That was not one of them.

497
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:21,000
This trade. Also, I don't
think it helps or hurts their defense.

498
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,680
SI Bonus is I don't know if
I can call him an underrated defender,

499
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,880
but he's not like nailed to the
floor when he's trying to move, and

500
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:32,119
especially if he gets to play like
at the five, he should be fine.

501
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,359
Now that you don't have Miles Turner, should you want to pair him

502
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,720
with another big and that big as
Ractron Holmes, that's going to get a

503
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,400
little bit dice here. But I
think the Kings are probably a net neutral

504
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160
on defense, which is to say
they're still gonna suck. Maybe they'll be

505
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,519
a little bit better just because they
have some bonuses rebounding. Now, that

506
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:52,559
might be something to consider, But
I don't know what to make of this

507
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,359
trade. I'm not I I'm going
to default. Let me be clear to

508
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,519
skepticism. The Kings gave up a
lot, and I love Tyrus Halibert.

509
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,119
I don't think he has a defined
peak in sort of the best possible way,

510
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,759
like this is someone who I still
believe it can be a star.

511
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:10,480
I've seeing people think that he just
doesn't have that killer mode on the ball

512
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:14,599
to reach out level, and maybe
they're right, But my god, what

513
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,199
we've seen from him so far promising
enough for me to think that it's at

514
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,519
least a still possibility and to punt
on that now. When sabonus, I

515
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,079
don't know if he helps you,
like re enter the play in discussion this

516
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,800
year, and I don't really know
what he sets you up floor moving forward.

517
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,960
However, he is a higher end
talent and you've now committed to like

518
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:38,320
an all in Ish type play,
or you've made a bigger picture decision that

519
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,440
people push you to make. It
wasn't Fox or Haliburton type deal, but

520
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,840
it was this team needs to do
something anything's eyes make to just prove that

521
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,440
the status quo isn't good enough.
We'll just have to see how they react

522
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,559
to this, and I give them
a to be determined. But I am

523
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:59,239
skeptical. The way I phrased it
was, I haven't open yet cautious mind

524
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,639
with this. I wouldn't have made
this deal follow Sacramento, but that certainly

525
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,920
this applies to everything, but in
this case, specifically, where many people

526
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,719
are killing the Kings, that doesn't
mean that it wasn't necessarily the wrong move.

527
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,000
It needs to really play out.
Speaking of which, Salamander of the

528
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:22,079
fourth in discord ask can you rank
Sacramento Kings mistakes? And the ones he

529
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:28,119
listed are trading Hallie, not drafting
don Chich first round pick Thompson, Landry

530
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:32,719
and sauce Castio salary, dumb for
cap space, firing Malone when Boogie was

531
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,559
sick, not drafting Lillard as we
didn't know if we had the money to

532
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:44,239
resign Jason Thompson's or had to pick
a forward and then six letting Bogdan Macdonovitch

533
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,000
walk for nothing. So the biggest
mistake is not drafting Luka Doncich. It

534
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:54,400
was clear among many draft knicks and
even those just like who only crash study

535
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,320
for the draft leading up to that, Luka Doncic was the highest end and

536
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:00,880
probably best player in that after You
even could have gone the Trey Young route,

537
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,199
but you go with Marvin Bagley.
That was a huge blunder on a

538
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,039
lot of Dvox's mistake and potentially set
the King's back, like years and years

539
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,840
and years. Has it put them
in a hole from which they can't climb

540
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,119
out of. We'll have to wait
and see. Done could have fit alongside

541
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,400
the Aaron Fox. You think the
Bonus can fit alongside d Aaron Fox.

542
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Luca Nancharch certainly could have as well. I think number two was definitely.

543
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,159
I think that was the twenty fifteen
off season where they went to great lengths

544
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,199
to create cap space thinking that they
were going to end up with all these

545
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:37,119
great players, and the Rondo was
their crowning acquisition of that off season.

546
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:44,400
That's definitely number two for me.
I'm gonna say number three is firing Mike

547
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Malone. Like that was a team
that had an identity and someone who had

548
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:52,199
like built a real relationship with your
franchise player at the time of Bookie Cousins,

549
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,480
and you just got rid of him
because the roster was banged up and

550
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,639
you were still within sniffing different sniffing
distance of five hundred at the time from

551
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,000
not taking that was fucking stupid.
If you want to put that at number

552
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:08,519
two, I'm with you. I'm
going to conservatively just put the Tyrese Haliburton

553
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:12,960
trade here. Three might be high
without seeing how this plays out, but

554
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,800
I think that speaks more to how
I view Tyrese Haliburton. It's just it's

555
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,800
tough because Sabonus is so good that
I don't want to diminish what he's able

556
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,800
to do on the court. I
just don't love the fit. And you

557
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,800
had someone who was not only fit
for the roster, but it's a fit

558
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920
for any roster. You traded him
at age twenty one, and so you

559
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,760
got a little bit older at the
top end of this trade. I know,

560
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,280
buddy heals like eighty or whatever he
is now, so maybe he got

561
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:44,440
a little younger with getting Jeremy Lamb
and justin the holiday and giving up Christan

562
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Thompson in the process, but it
might be a net Newgro's age. I

563
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,480
have not calculated that. But I'm
putting Haliburton here because I think he's going

564
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:52,519
to be He has the chance to
become the type of player that makes the

565
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:59,679
King's regret this trade for an incredibly
long time. I'm then going to say

566
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,719
letting Bogdanovitch walk for nothing. I
just don't that's from to me. And

567
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,880
the last I'm not putting it last
because I think you have to put Lillard

568
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,639
there because if I'm not mistaken,
he just was. He was even viewed

569
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,840
as sort of like a risk when
the Blazers took him at number ten.

570
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,039
I believe it was. Yeah.
I'm doing these off the cuff and from

571
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,880
memory. So if it wasn't number
ten, he was drafted twenty twelve.

572
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,880
Oh, he was drafted pick number
six. I'm an idiot. I don't

573
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,719
know. I still remember people thinking
like him coming out of Weber State,

574
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:38,000
a four year player. Was that
too high? If you want to put

575
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:43,440
that at number five, I just
don't. I just don't know that he

576
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,599
was the obvious picking. Maybe I'm
misremembering because I only just started covering the

577
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:51,679
League at that point, and it's
easy to just look back and say,

578
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,559
oh wow, taking Thomas Robinson over
Damian Lillard. I don't know if the

579
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,880
Warriors would have taken him if they
were in the King's position, like they

580
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,400
still maybe would have drafted Harrison Barnes. Bradley Beale was definitely someone, you

581
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,039
know, I think Davison Bradley Beale
that was just noticed that draft and everyone

582
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:08,679
was tripping over themselves or beyond waiters, and I remember everyone falling in love

583
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,239
with Thomas Robinson. I'm just I'm
more forgiving on that type of a miss

584
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,320
when I don't think Damian Lillard was
the consensus pick there. That's more of

585
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,920
a what if type of moment,
and I just I'm not sure how much

586
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,480
I'm prepared to ding the Kings for
it. Although I thought Damie Lillard was

587
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:28,320
drafted tenth for a second, which
was I guess making me think that he's

588
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,800
Austin Rivers. So and look,
there are a lot of landmines in this

589
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,159
draft. I mean the Kings could
have ended up with, like, you

590
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,280
know, what if they had taken
Andre Grummond and he ended up carving out

591
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:44,000
a better career than Thomas Robinson,
but that might have been more dangerous to

592
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:47,199
them just knowing that they had another
quality player. I also believe, if

593
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,039
I'm not you know, Harrison Barnes
would been a fine pick there for them,

594
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,639
Like what would Terrence Ross have done
for them? He was the eighth

595
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,440
pick in that traft. Maybe that's
about an average outcome as a player.

596
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,920
Could they have taken Austin Rivers.
I don't remember him being in the conver

597
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,199
station at the top. They could
have, you know, maybe Cleveland doesn't

598
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:05,639
think Deon Waders and they end up
with him. That wouldn't have done anything.

599
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,599
This was the Davis Beale Lillard draft, and that's no disrespect to Harrison

600
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:19,119
Barnes, and I just of Davis
and Beale being obvious picks. Damian Lillard

601
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,800
was not as obvious. It's not
the level of Oh, Draymond Green when

602
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,440
at number thirty five, I totally
understand that. But or Will Barton dropping

603
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,559
to number forty or Middleton was in
this shrift too, right, he was

604
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,639
you know, a second round of
that too. So like Damian Lillard was

605
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,840
clearly closer to the top of those
boards than not. I don't remember him

606
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,239
being the consensus decision there, So
that was an interesting question. It was

607
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,039
also a reminder that the Kings have
made an awful lot of fucking mistakes the

608
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,199
Pacers. End of this though,
and we'll have we have a question on

609
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:57,119
the Bakers pacer. Oh actually another
King's question from comeback Orlando vouch As it

610
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,639
seems the Kings want to start running
now, does it still make sense for

611
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,880
them to move Barnes to where?
And what's the return they'll be asking for.

612
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,280
I don't think that it's the It's
the right move to move Harrison Barnes

613
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,719
if you want to win, He's
just like he makes a lot of sense

614
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,159
alongside to bonus if you're using him
at the five, he is like their

615
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:20,320
best three point shooter now at this
point, So I don't know why you

616
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,360
get rid of him. You're also
probably need is his defense more. I

617
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,920
mean, you have Justin Holliday now. So I don't think the King's got

618
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,920
worse defensively, much worse, if
at all worse as part of this trade.

619
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400
Maybe they even again, maybe they
even improved a little bit. If

620
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,760
you are going to move Harrison Barnes
like first round pick and player that you're

621
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,400
willing to keep. It's like Minnesota
willing to do a first and Jade McDaniels

622
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,559
for Harrison Barnes. I know that
they're really high and Jade McDaniels, but

623
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,199
it's become pretty clear that he's not
like this efficient, high volume three point

624
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,000
shooter, So maybe they're more willing
to make a deal like that. But

625
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,639
that if you get an offer for
Barnes such as that, or if the

626
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,800
mixer willing to, you know,
give you salary and like consolidate some of

627
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,159
the picks that they still have leftover. They got rid of Charlotte, but

628
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,440
they have Dallas Is in twenty twenty
three and then all of their own and

629
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,920
they have a couple enticing seconds as
well. So if it's like sort of

630
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,360
that type of a trade, or
maybe are they willing to get like it?

631
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
I would say if you're leading into
a rebuild again, maybe you're intrigued

632
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,519
by it will be topping, but
to play alongsides a bonus, but you're

633
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,920
not and you're trying to win,
So I would definitely keep Harrison Barnes.

634
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,480
That's a great question though, because
this effectively takes Harrison Barnes off the board.

635
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,000
Then and you have to imagine that
between he and Jeremy Grant were just

636
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:35,159
considered like the top at like prizes, I hate calling players prizes, but

637
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,679
like the top potential gets additions at
those like bigger wing spots or the guys

638
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,639
who can play the three four and
maybe Grant even thought could be a five

639
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,400
and can even take on guarding some
twos. Barns is not going to do

640
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,679
either of those things. And now
he's off the board, and so I

641
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,920
wonder if that drums up they ask
price for Jeremy Grant, or maybe the

642
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,039
market is just sort of that stale, But yeah, I would be pretty

643
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:06,119
surprised if Sacramento ended up moving Harrison
Barnes at this point. So and look

644
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,360
to address Luke's question, if we
didn't already, like, I just don't

645
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,199
think the move can we build?
Is that much of a blunder at this

646
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,840
point? And I don't know that
this doesn't I don't know that this is

647
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Vivek's call. I would assume it's
Monty McNair as I know Ran and DBA

648
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,159
has to sign off on it,
but like McNair is like, this is

649
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:27,039
a victory lap for him. Then
Tyrese Halibert and draft picks this monstrous victory

650
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,199
lap and so either front office would
always fall on the sword anyway. But

651
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,880
yeah, it's for Kings fans.
They were broken up about Lucy calibert and

652
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,800
I don't blame them, and I
hope that their fortune has changed soon,

653
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,199
because there is you know, they're
that fan base. There are something that

654
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,400
will talk themselves in any King moves, but I would care any move the

655
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,119
King's make. Sorry, but I
would categorize the King's fan base is just

656
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,039
one of the more collectively self aware
ones that tries to find like the bright

657
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:59,280
spots where they can. But they
understand that this organization is really fucked up

658
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,760
time and again, and so that
sort of just blows for them. The

659
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Pacers end of this, I think
this was more of a no brainer from

660
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,719
them, even if you didn't think
that's a bonus. Was the most likely

661
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,360
core player to go if they were
able to get the value that they did

662
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,119
from him, which is I know, buddy Heel makes a lot of money

663
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,679
over the next few years, but
if you're gonna overpay for something, overpay

664
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,679
for functional shooting, he you know, I think on this season he is

665
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:28,360
what is he shooting? He's in
the sem like in the he's above average

666
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,320
when he's shooting coming around screens.
I think he's in like the sixties something

667
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,880
percentile. So he gives you reliable
theres it's just functional shooting. He can

668
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,840
take some off the dribble in transition
and then of course just like really down

669
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,320
them off the catch, so that
seems like that didn't seem like an egregious

670
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,360
take on for them. And now
you have Halibern who just fits so seamlessly

671
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,199
to the point that maybe you don't
move Miles Turner. Now maybe you don't

672
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,480
even move Malcolm Brockden. I know
people have talked about you have Christa warn't

673
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:58,519
ay is it a matter of just
getting a little bit younger. Even though

674
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:02,199
Brockden and men Brockdon is sort of
like aged out of that rebuild type thing.

675
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,480
We probably forget how young Turner is. He likes Abonus is only twenty

676
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,480
five. I just the Pacers have
now set themselves up to maybe have a

677
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:14,599
top five pick this season, and
then you just go into the off season

678
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:16,719
and next year you can keep this
roster and type maybe bring back TJ.

679
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,679
Warren should he be healthy. He's
going to be a free agent and you

680
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,920
just have a ton of talent to
where maybe you can make some noise in

681
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,679
the East. They have that extra
first round pick from Cleveland, not to

682
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,000
mention a pick in the thirties now
from the Rockets by way of Cleveland.

683
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,920
There are a lot of different ways
they can pas. They can also continue

684
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,000
the full on rebuild. Yes,
you move Rockton over the summer. He

685
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,559
can't be over the off season.
He can't be traded now because the extension

686
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,519
that he signed. Maybe move Turner
at that point. I ultimately think that

687
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,360
this move is a blow to Miles
Turner suitors, just because he was in

688
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,239
here to begin with, and so
unless the Pacers we're gonna settle, I

689
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,679
don't know that they would have moved
him anyway. But also he is the

690
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,159
primary center. Will just said he's
excited to be that now. So he

691
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,960
comes back from his foot injury this
season. I'm really hoping to get to

692
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,360
see him play with Tyrese Halibert.
And there's just so much spacing on this

693
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:12,880
roster now where in Miles Turner lineups
anyway where That could have always have been

694
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,760
the case, but now you're not
playing with Sabonis, who's not as much

695
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,920
of a three point threat when you're
having him fan out to the corner or

696
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,280
whatever he's doing when he's not on
the ball, him in turn of wanting

697
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:29,079
to occupy the same spaces even though
the turner cannot do like what the Domas

698
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,840
Sabonus can do with the ball in
his hands, then you just get a

699
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:37,159
lot clearer in indeed, and I
would phrase it this way when you view

700
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,679
this on top of the two top
thirty five picks they got for caris lavert.

701
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,559
The choice of how they want to
play this sort of a one year

702
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,920
tank and then go right back to
competing like they've traditionally done under Herb Simon

703
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,119
mightus the one year tank, of
course, or if you want to go

704
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,639
the longer term route. The choice
is Indiana's and I just don't know that

705
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,880
there was a wrong answer at this
point for them. And just to illustrate

706
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,159
how good Tyres Haliburton is off the
dribble, He's shooting forty point one percent

707
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,440
on off the bounce threes. Among
everyone who's attempted at least one hundred of

708
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,639
those shots, only Mike Conley is
knocking him down at a higher clip forty

709
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,840
three point five percent By the way. That's fucking incredible for someone at his

710
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,400
age. He's been low key monsters. Maybe not low key, but he's

711
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,920
been a monster this season. And
look, maybe Indiana's not done. The

712
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:29,320
question that we have from Strops in
our discord, what can the Pacers flip

713
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:34,360
Buddy Healed for anything? I'm gonna
die on this hill and say that,

714
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:39,159
yeah, they could get stuff for
Buddy Healed. I know that his contract

715
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,920
is on the larger side. It's
seas in the middle of an extension that

716
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,559
guaranteed him ninety four million dollars.
But it's, like I said before,

717
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,480
overpay. Excuse me, I'm wanting
for shooting. If you overpay for anything.

718
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,719
He's downing more than thirty nine percent
of a spot up three's thirty eight

719
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,079
plus percent. I'm pull up threes
and he's gonna consist torture defense is coming

720
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:06,440
around screens. I don't mind Indiana
keeping him There's they're probably reticent to play

721
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,599
a lot of minutes with Duarte or
Healed at the three. You put either

722
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:14,159
one of those guys doing next to
Brogden and Halibert, and then you just

723
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
have such a dynamic offense. Assuming
that Miles Turners on the floor. I

724
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,079
almost don't care who you're playing at
the floor, though it'd be interesting to

725
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:27,760
see teaching Warren in that situation.
There could be suitors for him, though,

726
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,840
does a Memphis if Indiana's will who
accept just like expiring contracts and none

727
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,280
like no first round compensation. If
the Pacers are still sort of interested in

728
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,800
being ultra flexible with cops based over
the summer, I think Memphis could use

729
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,679
someone like him as they gear up
for the playoff run, where it's they're

730
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,760
making sort of the The King's Play, but it's less drastic. You're not

731
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,960
going all in, but you're taking
a bigger swing. Yeah, it's not

732
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,559
the Kings play whatsoever. It's the
Pelicans play. Excuse me, without giving

733
00:48:54,639 --> 00:49:00,519
up any core assets, you're trying
to make a significant or semi significant addition.

734
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,559
I think it seemed like Oklahoma City. I know that they're in the

735
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:07,719
throes of a not the throws,
it's a designed rebuild, but they really

736
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,400
need shooting, and he's not going
to go ruin a tank. He just

737
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:14,440
opens the floor for everybody else and
allows their ball handlers to do more stuff.

738
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,079
When you look at Josh Giddy or
or Tray man, even even like

739
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:23,480
Darius Baisley and Poku. So like
those are teams over I'm just always going

740
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:28,519
to say that they you should be
willing to take on functional shooting. It's

741
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,719
why I don't think Duncan Robinson's trade
values plummeted. He's on the come up,

742
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,320
of course, but like these players
sign these deals. Even at Davis

743
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,559
Berton's, I do think he's more
overvalue than not. But like Washington,

744
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,960
Alsoways been playing him a ton of
minutes because their roster isn't built for it.

745
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,519
They can't handle his defensive transgressions,
and they're just sort of like clunky

746
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,679
at the four in the five.
Just so many different options from which to

747
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,119
choose, like those deals, because
these players can shoot from ultra deep range,

748
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,840
but of course they can shoot coming
around screens and Buddy Heel's case,

749
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,960
they can do a little bit of
off the dribble shooting. They have value,

750
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:07,639
and so look at teams that could
really stand to juice up their offense.

751
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:12,320
I suggested this, and they want
to duck the tax and they're very

752
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,159
close to doing so, so maybe
they wouldn't look at a Buddy Healed.

753
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,079
But is there something to be worked
out with with Boston here, they're a

754
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,760
team that the offense is perked up
while the defense has suffered. But there's

755
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,719
still eighteams on the year and they're
below mediocre when it comes to three point

756
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,559
shooting. A lot of that has
to do the level level of difficulty on

757
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,039
their looks, where it's you know, Jason Tatum taking a lot of your

758
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:37,519
threes and you're not stocked with knockdown
shooters. Buddy Healed sort of give you

759
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:42,760
that element. And so could there
be a team like that interested in them?

760
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,119
Yes, absolutely, And I would
if you told me the over under

761
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:53,599
on the number of teams that are
willing to acquire Buddy Healed without demanding the

762
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:58,800
Pacers give them an asset and while
sending something back, whether it's expiring contracts

763
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,719
as the value or just low end
draft equity or just sort of a distressed

764
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:08,159
prospect. Let's set the over under
at five four point five, and I

765
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,679
think I would take the over on
that. I might even go as high

766
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,760
as five point five. So the
shooting is always going to have a spot

767
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,679
in the NBA. And it doesn't
concern me that the Pacers took on his

768
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,760
deal. Some people might look at
this and say, you normally get some

769
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,639
draft equity as part of a trade
for a two time All Star who's also

770
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,440
only twenty five. Those guys who
not crop up on the market that often.

771
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:36,079
That being said, you also don't
get a guy like calibert not often,

772
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,480
just not even two years into his
rookie contract and already showing so much

773
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:44,880
not just promise, but real impact. He's already making the team that he

774
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:52,400
was on a better player in just
so many comprehensive modes. And you know,

775
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:54,880
maybe you could quibble that, okay, but the Pacers are still rolling

776
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,880
the dice, and they are taking
on Buddy Heeled, who is maybe on

777
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,079
a negative contract they gave up Justin
Holiday, who isn't nothing to their rotation.

778
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,559
Howard Burton is that good in that
high end of a prospect. I

779
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:09,400
would say he's worth like two point
five first round picks slash prospects on his

780
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:16,880
own, because having entrenched performers means
that much, and especially to a team

781
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,800
like the Pacers. So I liked
this deal for them on equivocally. I

782
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,880
don't hate it for the Kings,
or at least open minded to it.

783
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:32,559
But I'm still on the more confused
skeptical and let's see if we can blaze

784
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:37,519
through. We have a ton of
questions, last minute questions about the trade

785
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:42,000
deadline. Estey Rivera in discord,
Join our discord, as is Julius Randol

786
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:47,280
good fit for any contender who?
The answer to this is overwhelmingly know Before

787
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,320
the Clippers traded for Norman Powell,
if he thought they were going to go

788
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,360
for it this year and even considered
them a contender, I thought just having

789
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,719
another on ball option like him could
really help. Since it again, since

790
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,320
it seems unlikely that they're going to
be able to acquire like more of a

791
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,960
conventional floor general, he could have
helped them. They have Norman Powell now

792
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,199
though, and they still do need
someone to play make. But just getting

793
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,960
to Julius Randall's money is so tough
without you know, you're replacing effectively Eric

794
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,280
Bletzo with Norman Powell, who you're
not trading for Julius Randall. They wanted

795
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,199
to give up Cuffington and Kennard for
Julius Randall. Is that something that's going

796
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:34,760
to peak the Knicks's interest? Is
it Serge Baca and Kennard for Julius r

797
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,320
I don't even think that's enough money
actually to get Randall out of New York

798
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,639
because he's making I know he's making
twenty one point eight, but you are

799
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,960
increasing your tax bill at that point. Isn't worth it when he has yet

800
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,559
to take yet to play on his
four year, one hundred and seventeen million

801
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,320
dollars extension. If I were the
Knicks, I do that, Diana Heartbeat.

802
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,079
I've also suggested on the pod before
the Lakers, I would take back

803
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:58,920
Russell Westbrook to get off Randall,
Randall, Fournier and Kema Walker for Westbrook.

804
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,480
And if the Lakers need this and
pick compensation back to New York,

805
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:05,679
all the better. That's something I
would absolutely consider. Whether you view the

806
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,599
Lakers as contenders as your own progative
right now, I don't know how you

807
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,079
think that they would be. But
when you look at just like the top

808
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,199
contenders in the league, Memphis,
Miami, How's that Memphis was the first

809
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,360
team to come out of my mouth
because I'm looking at a list of teams,

810
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,639
but Memphis, Miami, Milwaukee.
Do you throw in Lanta in there?

811
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:29,599
If you want to definitely Golden State
Phoenix, that's a no no across

812
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:35,079
the board there. Brooklyn no,
Chicago. No, he's not a fit

813
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,519
for any contenders. I don't know. I don't know if this was like

814
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,320
a serious question, but I appreciate
it, Essay Rivera. I always want

815
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:46,360
to talk from Julius Randall retro Braydon
asked which team shouldn't trade for Kendricks Williams.

816
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,840
The answer is, there isn't a
team that shouldn't trade for Kendrick Williams.

817
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,639
I know he's very low volume on
offense, but this is someone who

818
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,039
is basically positionless on defense. I
can cover your tough Nurst assignment, and

819
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,719
he shown that he can put some
situational like off ball pressure on the rim

820
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,440
or straight line pressure on the rim, and it's hit his threes on modest

821
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,000
volume at a good enough clip.
He's extremely plug in play getting him out

822
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,400
of Oklahoma City. All the reports
six teams that they want a first round

823
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,159
pick, I doubt that they actually
would get one without taking back bead salary.

824
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,920
I don't think that's a problem for
them because they have like a trillion

825
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,519
dollars in cap space. He is, however, to them, just so

826
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:27,440
valuable because he's only owe two million
dollars next year. So this is someone

827
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,199
that's not just a rental. He's
on a bargain deal through at least next

828
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,280
season. Every team should want him, though I don't know if there's a

829
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,840
team that should give up a first
round pick. You'd be looking at teams

830
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,000
that have like their pick this season. The Warriors want of them because you

831
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,079
know they're gonna end up with number
twenty nine. Sure if you want,

832
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:49,760
if you want to go that route, but yeah, I'm going to be

833
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,400
curious to see whether he gets moved
and what the value is on there are

834
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,320
to expect to be as part of
just a bigger trade with three or four

835
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,880
teams where maybe you know the primary
team in that deal is getting someone else,

836
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,880
it's an addition to a Kendrick Williams, or they're using other teams to

837
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,480
get off different types of money,
or okay, se he's taking on different

838
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,159
types of money to up the compensation
they could get. But Brandon, yes,

839
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:16,679
everybody should want ken Rich Williams.
Joki MVP asked, is there any

840
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:22,960
way Utah and retool on the fly
before the deadline ends? Who? That's

841
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,000
a question We've tried to answer a
bunch of times on this podcast. The

842
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,920
latest deal I came up with was
Jordan Clarkson and Joe Ingles and a twenty

843
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,639
twenty six first for Eric Gordon and
Jay Shawn Tate. I do think the

844
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:43,559
Jazz all of a sudden find themselves
in need of backup playmaking without Joe Ingles,

845
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,800
for one, and that was also
kind of a need in addition to

846
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,800
getting more mobile and athletic. When
it comes to their defensive hierarchy, people

847
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,000
point out that they could also just
use like a really good help rim protector

848
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:58,519
so that Gobert has more freedom to
move away from the basket, in which

849
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,719
case, I know people just say, one than Robert Covington. Isn't that

850
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,199
one on one type guy that they
need? That would be true. But

851
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,360
if you want somebody who's just gonna
be on point with his rotations, do

852
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,679
you look at Robert Covington. Should
the Clippers be able to move them,

853
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,639
the Clippers even willing to help a
conference rival, My guess would be that's

854
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,199
not something that would hold them back, just because this season, whatever they're

855
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:20,119
trying to do is not their season. I still stand by, like,

856
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,199
is there a deal to be had
at this point involving Josh Richardson and Dennis

857
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:27,840
Shrewder. Maybe don't want them on
the Jazz as your backup point guard,

858
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,400
but you need you need one at
this point, like Joe Ingles is the

859
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,679
backup playmaker is is gone. They
Boston looking to get out of the tax

860
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:44,159
does sort of complicate that package you
could use by mcdonovitch to the primary bait.

861
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,000
I absolutely would not do that,
but you have the similar structure of

862
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,559
Jordan Clarkson and Joe Ingles. So
can you take back other money Dennis Shrewder,

863
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:57,480
Josh Richardson. That's going to get
you to about, you know,

864
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:01,880
nineteen million dollars this season? So
can you take back who else my boss

865
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,800
did not want? Just in the
mid end salaries. It's a little bit

866
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,920
tough there. I think it's more
bulbul Let's just say, like the salaries

867
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,480
come closer to evening out in a
three for two scenario. I just don't

868
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,960
think that they're gonna be looking to
dump Romeo Langford or Aaroni Smith there.

869
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,920
Maybe you just get involved the third
or fourth team, but Boston isn't you

870
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,960
know, maybe they want to get
off Al Horford, but that's you're not

871
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,239
just sending Al Horford somewhere. I
know people have mentioned Mark, and I

872
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:31,559
don't know if you're giving up a
first round pick for that, like giving

873
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:36,440
up a twenty twenty six first for
Josh Richardson and Dennis Shrewder. I've been

874
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:43,599
higher on Josh Richardson's season this year
than most, but I don't know that

875
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,639
would be tough. Is Boston in
love with Jared Butler at all? Do

876
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,440
they actually like the idea of having
Jordan Carson because they can kind of use

877
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,679
another shock creator who's not the Dennis
Shrewder type. Clarkson's not trying to set

878
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,679
people up and the downhill pressure.
He's gonna stall out before the basket more,

879
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,599
but he's kind of more of us
stabilizing offensive force. I feel like

880
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:08,320
perhaps the bars like not super high
there, but that's another player that they

881
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,880
could target. Josh Richardson primarily,
but they do need sort of a backup

882
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,800
playmaker at this point. I don't
really know where else to go with them.

883
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,679
They've been mentioned in the I don't
think there's a Harrison barn sweep stakes

884
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:24,280
anymore. They've mentioned the Jeremy Grant
sweep stakes. I don't know how they

885
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,599
beat out offers unless you know no
one's giving good offers for Grant, in

886
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,079
which case I wonder if de Georitch
just holds onto him, they could do

887
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,039
the twenty twenty six and twenty twenty
eight picks of their own. That is

888
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:43,000
so risky, and you are better
believe that you're not only so win now,

889
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,199
which is easy to buy into because
the Jazz are that good at full

890
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,480
strength. You have to believe that
you're going to be able to pick up

891
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,400
the pieces should anything go wrong.
And a lot of people are running whether

892
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:57,079
they'll be major changes should this team
flame out in the playoffs once more,

893
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:01,480
so there are bigger needs. It
feels like on this roster, I just

894
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:07,119
don't know that they're readily addressable again. Josh Richardson or the Eric Gordon Jashn

895
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:12,440
Tate scenarios feel like the at least
some realistic possibilities. I know people have

896
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,360
mentioned Marcus Smart. I just don't
know that Utah has the juice to get

897
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,599
him. I understand that he's about
to go on the four year, seventy

898
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,000
seven million dollars extension or whatever it
is, but like that dude is a

899
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:30,199
ridiculously good defender. This is it's
a fortune's turning defender. In all defense

900
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,599
guy like just just Lock I would
or at least perennial candidate there, and

901
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,480
you can talk about the shooting and
erratic playmaking out of the pick and roll.

902
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:43,039
He's still so valuable to what Boston
wants to do in the defensive end.

903
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,360
Can guard effectively one through four.
Basically, I'd be curious as to

904
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,920
what the cost is and matching money
get you too. I mean, like

905
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:54,400
Dennis Shrewder and Marcus Smart. If
you want to have the backup point guarders,

906
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,079
not Marcus Mart there working Josh Richardson
end Mark smartin is the fold this

907
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:05,599
season, that's actually fine. You
could do Marcus Smart and Josh Richardson for

908
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:09,599
I mean the Jordan Clarks and Joe
English package where you're giving up two first

909
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:13,679
round picks twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty eight for that. If you view

910
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,400
Marcus smarts deals and net negative,
you're not going to do that. I

911
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,679
think some people might view Josh Hrichinson's
twelve point two million dollars salary next season

912
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,000
is net negative as well, and
so I would understand. I just don't

913
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:31,559
think one first round pick gets you
that deal from Boston. Marcus Morris could

914
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:37,639
theoretically be interesting. I don't think
he's exactly what the Jazz need, but

915
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:39,599
he would certainly he could play some
small ball five for you. That's an

916
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:45,199
upgrade over Rudy Gay minutes there if
you're still even going to commit to small

917
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,519
spurts of those in the playoffs,
and you could definitely play four with him

918
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:53,599
next to Gobet. What do the
Clippers want for him? Like, are

919
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,159
you look comes down? Do you're
gonna give him your twenty twenty six first

920
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,519
round pick? For Marcus Morris?
Like that's your best asset? Because I

921
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:04,320
don't know that the Clippers would value
a Jordan Carson since he's not an actual

922
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,519
point guard. It certainly would.
It could shave a little bit off their

923
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:14,039
tax bill. Marcus Morris is making
what is he at this season? Fifteen?

924
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,199
I think something? Let me go
to the salary sheets here, fifteen

925
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:22,480
point six million, And so Jordan
Clarkson for Jordan for Marks Moore's would work

926
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:23,719
straight up. But if you're the
Jazz, are you adding to your own

927
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,079
tax bill? Like that's just something
that you would have to consider, And

928
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,000
I just don't know that that's enough
to get the Clippers to part with him.

929
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,800
The Jazz are in the market for
players that every team is probably prioritizing.

930
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,440
I'd be curious with the asking prices
for Josh Hart in Portland? Are

931
01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:42,199
you giving up at twenty twenty six
first for Josh Hard? Again, that's

932
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:44,760
what a lot of these questions are
coming down to. Portland has no need

933
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:46,880
for Jordan Clarkson long term. You
know, if they're willing to take on

934
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:52,320
his money as part of that deal, you could look for lower end options

935
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,679
like a Tory Craig who's still in
Indiana. But I think you have to

936
01:02:54,719 --> 01:03:00,239
asked yourself, Kenness player be top
eight, top nine guy to playoffer patient

937
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,960
Tory Craig is just iff. He
is he hitting his threes? How much

938
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,199
offensive rebounding is he providing you with
in addition to all that defense? Utah?

939
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,440
Is it an interesting spot? And
I think they need to be aggressive

940
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:14,320
at the deadline. We have two
questions on the Thunder. Christopher from Discord

941
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,719
asked what contract dump do you see
the thundertaking on and how many draft picks

942
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,920
are they getting for it? Maybe
that's tongue in cheek a little bit,

943
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,559
because they have akbillion draft picks they're
gonna take on some money and they're gonna

944
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:30,000
end up with plus draft picks at
the deadline, because that's what always happens.

945
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:35,599
Given how much cap space they have, which is I think almost thirty

946
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:38,599
six million, it's over thirty five
it's over thirty five million, there's gonna

947
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:42,480
be a lot of people that,
you know, moving other players out of

948
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,639
there, like they can take back
some real money, or the six is

949
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,079
gonna look to dump Tobias Harris as
part of a Ben Simmons trade, or

950
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:51,880
what if they're just planning in advance
of a James Harden pursuit. I would

951
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,079
be somewhat surprised if anything that drastic
happens. It feels like they'll wind up

952
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:00,639
taking on money as sort of like
small or mid end of money as the

953
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:09,760
third or fourth team facilitator in a
trade where a contender needs to trade out

954
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,639
a lopside a number of players,
and you know, you look at the

955
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:16,119
contenders that we're going to be the
most aggressive on the market, like an

956
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:20,400
okay, see, he could help
out a deal with Atlanta should they decide

957
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:25,360
to consolidate even a Toronto they've been
shopping and going on dragics plus the first

958
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,960
round pick, but if they need
to include like a mal Kai Flinn,

959
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,159
or if a team really wants to
cut costs and they don't want druggets,

960
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:33,239
Like, is there a compensation that
could be sent to okay See? So

961
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,719
if they get a larger salary,
I would almost expect it to be an

962
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,000
expiring contract. There's also but I
would more so think it's like, is

963
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:45,480
this gonna be the you know,
like a Phoenix with Dario Sarich? Can

964
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,360
they be If the team that Phoenix
is trading with doesn't want Sarich recovering from

965
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,559
a torn acl this year, it
can definitely help with team next year.

966
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:56,239
I think maybe they just don't want
his mid level ish money on the books.

967
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,119
Is okay See willing to take on
that? What will be the cost

968
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:02,000
of it is a second round pick, So that would be more of my

969
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:06,239
guess is that Okacy won't take on
any money. This is just a prediction.

970
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:11,320
I'm not saying they're unwilling. They
won't take on any money that sits

971
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,119
on their books beyond next season,
and so these like long term deals that

972
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,239
maybe you expect them to absorb.
It would surprise me more if that if

973
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:26,360
that actually came to fruition. Maybe
we'll be shocked just because we've seen it,

974
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,320
just with this deadline, Like,
I don't think a lot of people

975
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,920
expecting the biggest fireworks to happen so
early on when we're not that close to

976
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:36,519
Thursday. I also thought about could
there be a team like the New York

977
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,920
Knicks that's looking to get out of
some of its newer money aka Evan Fournier.

978
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,559
They're mighty teams that actually value Fournier, and maybe that's what if they're

979
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:46,480
gonna take on longer term money,
you look at players that you could sort

980
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,400
of rehab their value. I don't
think it needs to be a buddy healed.

981
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,880
That would not be someone that I
think actually needs to rehab his value

982
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,599
in OKAC though maybe they can boost
it, but in Evan Fournier might be

983
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:02,519
one Tim Hardaway junior, someone who's
injured maybe for the rest of this year.

984
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:05,440
Is how much does Dallas looking to
clear off their books because they've down

985
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:12,119
runs and adoring Fitty Smith entering free
agency and whatever they won't agree to wheels

986
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:14,920
with and they give you a twenty
twenty five first round pick and Josh Green

987
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,239
to take on Tim Hardaway junior and
then that's also a player who helps you

988
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:23,679
with shooting, and you could theoretically
rehab his value much like he did during

989
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,880
his contractor year in Dallas that earned
him the deal that he's on that currently

990
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:34,880
looks so terrible. So I'm very
very intrigued to see how what Okasey does

991
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,400
because it will variably be something,
and I think it will be as a

992
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:43,719
facilitator that again my pardiction will be
there either taking on large as short term

993
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,400
money ak expiring salary like these bigger
expinding values, or we're looking at maybe

994
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:55,519
mid end dumps or like them's bunching
up mid end dollars that extend through next

995
01:06:55,559 --> 01:07:00,280
season but don't go any longer on
the books. We did have an another

996
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,000
question for Brendan Ebert about the Thunder. Is there a move a team like

997
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,840
the Thunder who are naturally viewed as
sellers and will take on large, large

998
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,239
contracts for pick How funny is that
that could be done to actually improve that

999
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,760
roster going forward. I kind of
hinted at this before with them, but

1000
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,400
it's shooting. Can they just sort
of open up the floor for everyone in

1001
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,360
the half court more? I mentioned
Buddy Heel already would be an interesting acquisition

1002
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,159
for them. I wouldn't say no
to Evan for four day if the Knicks

1003
01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:28,880
were definitely looking to get rid of
him. Tim Moldoway Jujor is different.

1004
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,599
He's injured right now. I'm also
just wondered, like, is they're a

1005
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:35,360
distressed young shooter that maybe they should
be willing to take a flyer on.

1006
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,559
And I don't mean distress the sense
of worthless, but just like, oh,

1007
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,119
this guy, we don't really know
what he can be. Let's get

1008
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:45,800
him in here though, and maybe
he just proves that he's a lot better

1009
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,079
than expected. And I'm not thinking
of like a Ruby Hotchimore in Washington who

1010
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:55,159
should not like that. Dude should
probably be banned from taking threes at this

1011
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,079
point. No one's brings them mind
there, But I'm just gonna keep coming

1012
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:03,000
back to buddy hell with them apparently, But yeah, shooting if they wanted

1013
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,119
to. I mean, are they
heat looking to get rid of Duncan Robinson

1014
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:08,079
or are they trying to There was
a report they were trying to make a

1015
01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:11,079
play for Christian would they would have
to move Duncan Robinson as part of that

1016
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:13,239
deal? It is okay, So
he's just trying to get involved there.

1017
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,279
Those are the types of players I
thought they should have made a run at

1018
01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:19,359
Garrison, Matthews and free agency this
past summer. I think that, let's

1019
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:25,640
not call it a victory lap,
but that's certainly something they they clearly should

1020
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:30,279
have done. You know, they're
just trying to think if there's a like

1021
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,359
a Luke Knard, if if if
Los Angeles is really looking to get off

1022
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,159
of his money, which that extension. It never looks so bad when you

1023
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:41,880
looked at the guarantees, but it
looks better now. And maybe with the

1024
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,960
acquisition of Norman Powell them wanting more
of a ball handler or they just looking

1025
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,720
to cut their tax bill. Do
you take on him like he is someone

1026
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,279
who can really just help your offense. So yeah, that's that's where I'm

1027
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:58,359
pretty much. Man. Maybe a
Molik Beasley from Minnesota is another one.

1028
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,279
Again, I'm not giving up value
of Moke KC to take these players.

1029
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,880
I'm absorbing them, probably not outright, but as part of these other deals,

1030
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,720
and that would be most of these
are longer term money than I predicted

1031
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,439
that Okay s would actually absorbed.
But I would take these players to help

1032
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,840
facilitate other deals because they could really
help my team if there's a would be

1033
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,560
seller that we could see becoming like
a surprise buyer at the deadmine at this

1034
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:27,359
point, I mean, I think
the Kings and the Pelicans kind of took

1035
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,920
two off the board, and it's
funny just because the Pelicans are always gonna

1036
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,000
be buyers, we didn't know what
the Kings were gonna do, So there's

1037
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:36,439
definitely that to consider. Portland might
be the answer here, just because they're

1038
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:42,359
all of a sudden being linked to
Jeremy Grant because they want to have like

1039
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,000
his expedited rebuild or retooling or whatever
you call it. I think also Washington

1040
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:50,039
could be a surprise buyer they weren't
in some bonus. Bill is going to

1041
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:53,439
be out for the season now with
a risk injury, so you would probably

1042
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,279
argue against them doing that. And
a lot of people might think that,

1043
01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:00,479
hey, should you get off of
get off of Spencer Dinuity now since the

1044
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,239
fit has been saltenuous, he probably
rehabs some of his value now that Beale

1045
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:06,279
has gone. To be honest with
you, his minutes without Bills looked better

1046
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:11,920
for the most part this season,
but you know they have entavious couple Pope.

1047
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,399
They have Kyle Kuzma, they have
Denny Avdya. They look like they're

1048
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:17,520
playing out keeping bill beyond this season? Do they look like they do something

1049
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,880
frisky? And this doesn't count because
Toronto is not going to be a seller,

1050
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,920
But they are the team that I'm
just looking at and I'm like,

1051
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:28,279
hey could do something big. They're
the middle run playoff team right now.

1052
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:31,600
That feels like they are one player
away from being just a lot more than

1053
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:38,319
that. So Death's yeah, let's
go with Washington as the most and I'll

1054
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:41,640
throw Portland in there too. Is
like the other most likely sellers. We've

1055
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,960
seen Portland's already that could wind up
being buyers before Thursday, three pm.

1056
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:47,359
Summers ask, how would you compare
the values of Anthony Davison Bradley Beal if

1057
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:50,319
their team wanted to sell on them
this coming season? Does one command a

1058
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:54,920
much bigger package? This is interesting. Both of them are twenty eight.

1059
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:58,439
I do believe Anthy Davis is the
more transcendent player, but teams are going

1060
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,239
to place higher premiums on shock creation
and Bradley Bill could still be not just

1061
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:05,560
a point of a tax scorer,
but like the engine of your offense there,

1062
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,920
No, you don't want him to
be your point guard. And we've

1063
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,880
seen some like weird fits with him
and Spencer Dimwity this year. He's also

1064
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,439
not been great when shooting at threes, but we know he can hit threes

1065
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,640
at a higher clip than that.
The other thing that could factor into this,

1066
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:24,479
Bill's having a season ending risk injury
right now. Has a seaton season

1067
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,640
ending risk injury right now. This
feels we were to say that, but

1068
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,399
like Andy Davis is more injury prone. The other thing here is, if

1069
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,399
we want to go deeper into this, if you're acquiring Bradley Beale this summer,

1070
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,359
here's what's happened. It's either it's
part of a sign and trade so

1071
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,159
he's on this longer term contract,
or it's an opt in in trade,

1072
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,520
and that just implies that he's willing
to sign a contract with you long term,

1073
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,880
because why would he leave, you
know, so many long term years

1074
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,039
on the table if he didn't want
to play for that team, or he

1075
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:55,119
signed with you outright, which there
are no teams that project to have cap

1076
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:59,720
space, I would predict that for
in which case you have him for a

1077
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,319
time of years. But this was
a trade So it's either not then in

1078
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:05,000
trade which he's not going to a
team that doesn't know it will resign a

1079
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:09,079
long term, or it's an actual
sign and trade where he's underlocking key long

1080
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,159
term. Davis kept a coming free
agent again in two seasons, and that

1081
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:15,039
could matter if you're a team that's
gonna factor into how much you're giving up

1082
01:12:15,359 --> 01:12:20,199
to get him, and knowing how
much the Lakers forked over to nap him,

1083
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:24,720
and if they were actually looking to
rebuild when they are barren of like

1084
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:29,760
real pick and prospect equity moving forward, that would just be a tough negotiation.

1085
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,079
So I would say Bill will command
the better package just because he's under

1086
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:39,720
contract for he would be under contract
for longer or about to be, whereas

1087
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Anthony Davis could theoretically post more of
a flight riff. Maybe he would pick

1088
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,319
the team that he's going to.
But I would still say Bill, I

1089
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:50,479
think that the priority is always going
to be on the guys who can generate

1090
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:56,800
their own offense more consistently and efficiently. That's just not Anthony Davis's game,

1091
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,560
and I love Anthony Davis. Look. While on the subject of the Patrick

1092
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,880
France ninety two asked what is wrong
with the Lakers. How many hours do

1093
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:10,239
we have very quickly? I think
it's the Russell Westbrook trade is a symptom

1094
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,479
of a larger disease that was last
offseason, not their decision not to make

1095
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,000
the Buddy Heal trade obviously and go
for Westbrook in general. But you got

1096
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,920
rid of two of your two leading
three point shot makers in Kuzma and KCP.

1097
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:25,840
You also got rid of two solid
perimeter defenders, given what Kuzma had

1098
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,279
become for them. Mantras Harold was
not a great fit, but like he

1099
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:31,159
was still an actual rotation player,
and it was also a first round pick

1100
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:34,800
included that you gave up. So
you consolidated your rotation into a player who

1101
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,720
I think we need to reach your
middle ground. I don't think Russ is

1102
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:43,800
like willing to change, but he
has adapted his game just to the point

1103
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,359
where he's not as much of a
focal point. It just he has not

1104
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,479
looked capable of thriving within that role, and he probably needs to adapt even

1105
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:56,039
further. But you consolidated all of
these actual rotation players into someone who always

1106
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:59,479
was a questionable fit at best,
has now proved to be a terrible fit.

1107
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,319
I don't rush as much as I
do the front office. You also

1108
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:06,920
let Alex Caruso go. So now
you're in this position where you don't you

1109
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:11,800
have this you're you know, one
of your three highest paid players is not

1110
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,600
an asset to you. You can't
play with your best player in Lebron Ji

1111
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,680
Like, there's just no clear chemistry
there. He's not performing well when Lebron

1112
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,920
is off the court either, And
you have this glaring lack of two way

1113
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,199
players. You have so many one
dimensional players are only going to help you

1114
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:28,880
at one end. But then you
also just have a bunch of aging guys

1115
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:31,600
in outsize roles. And I think
that this is all combined that plus the

1116
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,680
decisions made the move's not made,
is really just coming back to haunt them

1117
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:41,000
at this juncture. They are still
going to be a threat if Lebron and

1118
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:44,920
a D are healthy in the playoffs. But I think Shaq said that the

1119
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:46,720
Lakers are right where they want to
be because they'd rather face Phoenix and Golden

1120
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,159
State in the first round. All
right, that's sort of just to pick

1121
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:55,920
your poison situation. You're gonna die
in that series anyway, So that's what's

1122
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,800
wrong with the Lakers. To me, I don't know if they can do

1123
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,359
anything. The twenty twenty seven or
twenty eight first round pick plus town Horton

1124
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:04,840
Tucker plus Kendrick Nunn package has has
probably been shop to no end. I

1125
01:15:05,239 --> 01:15:12,680
would be just absolutely like mind boggled
if that gets them at Jeremy Grant or

1126
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,119
if there were other moving parts that
could help him get a Hirison Barn Should

1127
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:17,600
the Kings even move him, my
belief is that they would probably top out

1128
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:23,479
at an Eric Gordon type acquisition.
That's assuming Houston wants to just short the

1129
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,119
Lakers future so far in advanced.
I don't think that's a bad idea,

1130
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:30,760
to be clear, I just don't
think most front offices have the stability to

1131
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,319
do that. And so if you
can't make that move, or is there

1132
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:39,119
a team that wants Russ is willing
to let you divest into players who aren't

1133
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:42,600
on the team friendliest deals, but
you've broken them up into smaller contracts,

1134
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,159
are you willing to include a first
round pick? Is part of that equation.

1135
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,399
This isn't going from Russ to John
Lawl. It is like I was

1136
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,960
outlined, I think we outlined these
trades here. Is that if you traded

1137
01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:55,640
Russ to Houston with some minimum contracts
to take back the four players in NWABA

1138
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,840
Tys, Eric Gordon, and I
forget who the other person was, DJ

1139
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,159
Augustine just looking at their mid end
salaries, or trading into the Knicks with

1140
01:16:03,319 --> 01:16:08,119
minimum contracts for Julius Rando, eleven
Fournian and Kimball Walker. Are those types

1141
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,760
of deals out there, I honestly
don't know. Failing all of that,

1142
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,239
you need to hope that you just
get lucky on the buyout market. You

1143
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,920
need wings, you need two way
players. In general, those are not

1144
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,840
players that you're just going to find
on the buyout market. You could wind

1145
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,319
up perhaps deepening your rotation though,
and we've seen Molik Monk emerge, town

1146
01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:30,159
Horton. Tucker has had higher highs
in recent weeks. But I still don't

1147
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:33,720
you know, the fact that they're
turning to him for off ball, offensing

1148
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:40,359
crunch time before Russell Westbrook is that's
not really encouraging so much as just indicative

1149
01:16:40,399 --> 01:16:43,920
of how poor of a fit Russ
has been. And Harrison Fagan pointed this

1150
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,119
out for Silver Screen and Roll.
Russ is clearly in his head at points

1151
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,960
in the game, and he might
be throwing shade in postgame interviews and what

1152
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,640
he's saying to eighty and Lebron on
the bench, But he just looks out

1153
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,840
of sorts, which which really sucks
because Russ and his peak was a great

1154
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,600
player, and I don't think he's
been as stubborn this season as many people

1155
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:04,159
believe. I just don't think he's
effective even when he's sort of adapting his

1156
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,840
role. We have a few more
questions here, and let me get through

1157
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:13,800
them, because then I'll be able
to get to every question. But Hooper

1158
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,239
informatis send a bunch. I'm going
to settle on this one. What's the

1159
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:24,399
greatest market inefficiency in the trade market
in terms of low cost or impact provided

1160
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:30,119
through acquiring? So I'm assuming that
we can take contracts out of the equation

1161
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:36,119
here. I think that there's like
this stigma against players who are on the

1162
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:41,960
perimeter but they're not quite wings,
and yet they don't necessarily have the ball

1163
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:46,520
skills of league guards. They are
you can call them too guards what if

1164
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,720
you will. But the Norman Powells, for instance, based off how his

1165
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,159
the final four years of this five
year, ninety million dollars deal, we're

1166
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:59,880
being viewed clearly if the Blazers only
got what they did for him, or

1167
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,680
even in Eric Gordon, when there's
questions about, oh, how's that final

1168
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:08,439
year of his deal or final guaranteed
deals, final guaranteed years, so far

1169
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:12,920
going to look when that's when he
is going to be aged thirty four next

1170
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,600
year, when he's had some injury
histories, when he doesn't, you know,

1171
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:16,960
he's passed this year, But like, you don't want him running your

1172
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,680
offense, even just the way that
Marcus Smart's contract has been viewed, or

1173
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,600
even something like a Josh Richardson who
can shoot and defend, but you don't

1174
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,680
want him operating off the dribble too
much. I think we can place more

1175
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:32,079
stock in those players. Richardson has
been valued more highly more recently because just

1176
01:18:32,199 --> 01:18:35,119
like three indeed being an actual wing
size, and Marcus Smart is probably on

1177
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:40,439
the more extreme end of the spectrum. But it seems like as these players

1178
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:45,159
get paid, is what I'm getting
at, they're not viewed as as valuable

1179
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,239
previously. And I know that can
be the case with any player who gets

1180
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:54,000
a big contract, but for these
sort of archetype of players specifically, maybe

1181
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:57,960
there's a real hole in their game
like we just talked about with Gordon and

1182
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,800
morn Powell, Like you don't want
Norman Powell running your offense. Maybe some

1183
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,960
situal pick and rolls, sure,
but you want him attacking the basket or

1184
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,920
shooting threes. There's a shit ton
of value in doing or in providing rim

1185
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,479
pressure in consistent three point shooting.
That's exactly what Eric Gordon does. I

1186
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,439
think with Marcus Smart guarding up and
down the positional spectrum and the fact that

1187
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,279
he's comfortable taking off the dribble jumpers, he's been probably I haven't looked at

1188
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:21,279
this in a week or two,
but the least efficient off the dribble jump

1189
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:26,239
shooter this season. But he's also
had years where he's been I think it

1190
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:28,439
was two years ago he had like
forty seven percent. It was off the

1191
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,159
dribble triples on real volume. Not
part of his strength necessarily, but there's

1192
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,520
value. And yeah, he could
be sloppy in the pick and roll,

1193
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,119
but this is someone who could still
dribble and run the offense better than a

1194
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:42,640
Norman Powell. And so once you
get to like those, when you like

1195
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:47,680
six three, six four guys,
I would say maybe even six two depending

1196
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:53,880
on like their build who are not
even like they're not even the CJ McCollums,

1197
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,000
because maybe you just don't trust their
ball skills as much as a maestro.

1198
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,159
I mean even CJ. McCollums just
might fall into here. Is those

1199
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:03,479
tweener guards. Is tween or even
a word, but that's really what I'm

1200
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,199
what I'm envisioning here, and I'm
interested to see hoop informatics if if you

1201
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:12,000
agree or what you would pick.
This one is one I had given some

1202
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,960
thought too, but is pretty off
the cuff. I've not you know,

1203
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,239
I think there are certain types of
bigs that could fall under this umbrella,

1204
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:20,399
but that's just too easy, and
we still see players get paid based off

1205
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,680
size. We know that team are
gonna give up a premium for three d

1206
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:30,640
wings. But I do think if
guys either can't like dribble East West or

1207
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,520
be the lead playmaker of your offense, if they can do a bunch of

1208
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:38,359
other things, they're still hyper valuable. I also thought about going sort of

1209
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,840
with functional shooting specialists, where a
Duncan Robinson or a Buddy Hell, you

1210
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,479
don't want them to put the ball
on the floor, but the fact that

1211
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,920
they will work their asses off off
the ball, I'll say they ever done

1212
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,279
in Robinson at least Buddy Hehill will
go through the motions with that, but

1213
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:56,359
perhaps he'll be in a better mood
now that he's out of Sacramento, even

1214
01:20:56,359 --> 01:21:00,359
at Davis Burton's. At points,
as these players get paid, the reviews,

1215
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:01,520
these net negative contracts all of a
sudden, I think we've talked a

1216
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,239
out all of them on this podcast. I still think like the Eric Gordon's

1217
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:13,039
and the Norman Powells, like those
are the guys and you can be worried

1218
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:15,119
about how they'll age because of their
athleticism, but when they're also like sort

1219
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:18,880
of stronger, they can do other
things with their shooting. But Eric Gordon

1220
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:24,319
has shown that he is still quick, but like he's not nearly as explosive

1221
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:28,800
as he once was. And so
that's where I would really settle on for

1222
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,039
that. I believe. How many
questions do we have left here too,

1223
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,600
Let's see if we can get to
them. Do the Suns have weaknesses?

1224
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,239
That is, by the NBA chicken, they are buzz saw went healthy.

1225
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:43,079
What do you think gives them the
most trouble in a playoff series? I

1226
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:46,439
do believe that they could still be
sort of beaten up with length, and

1227
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,319
so if you go up because Milwaukee, it's not the ideal situation. I

1228
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,479
think that can be neutralized though,
and that'll get me to their what I

1229
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,960
think is their real void. Listen
to the Timeline podcasts A Blue Wire two.

1230
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,399
They'll probably have better insight to this
than I do. But just like

1231
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,800
a third ball handler, it could
be a wing, it could be a

1232
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,960
guard. At this point, they're
they're big man heavy. So if you're

1233
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,800
targeting a ball handling big man,
don't like is it? So that point

1234
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,760
of attack big man is not something
that they should be going after. Eric

1235
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,359
Gordon has been mentioned a ton with
them. Dennis Shrewder has been tangentously mentioned

1236
01:22:19,399 --> 01:22:24,279
among songs twitter I believe. I
don't know Eric Gordon would be I've said

1237
01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:27,640
this on the podcast before, just
the perfect edition for them, but I

1238
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,079
think that you could go even smaller
scale. But they also are banged up

1239
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:35,159
at the guard position right now.
Cameron Paine's dealing with an injury. He's

1240
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:39,840
been better before that injury, but
he's not having like as good of a

1241
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,279
season as he was last year.
Landry Shammitt, who believe, is also

1242
01:22:43,359 --> 01:22:45,399
injured. At the moment, he's
been blah this year, and so they

1243
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,760
could stand to upgrade those types of
minutes and probably with someone This is where

1244
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,720
Gordon would come in. He doesn't
need to be a wing, but can

1245
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,960
you get away with playing him alongside
both Book and Paul And does he put

1246
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:01,239
more pressure on the rim than those
guys. So that's where Kendrick Williams also

1247
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:05,159
a name that's been mentioned specifically on
this podcast since you last off season.

1248
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:09,800
By the way, not a victory
lap, but we haven't banging the Kendrick

1249
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,680
Williams to Phoenix Stroum for quite some
time. Predominantly want him off the ball

1250
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,640
or working in straight lines. The
fact that he just gives you so much

1251
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:20,079
positional malluability on the defensive end,
he would be another guy that you could

1252
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:24,720
look at. I thought briefly,
and I think I actually think I mentioned

1253
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:29,640
this in the off season preview we
did with the timeline fellas of a Josh

1254
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,920
Richardson for this team. I just
don't think he provides enough of the ball

1255
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,840
Hammon like, he'll give you a
lot of defensive options and we'll space the

1256
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,319
floor, and so like, yeah, okay, you've upgraded the Landry shamm

1257
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:44,119
at minutes if you're acquiring him,
but you don't want Josh Richardson running your

1258
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:49,479
offense there, They're just the player
that they need, Like Eric, I

1259
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:55,520
think I have tunnel vision because Eric
Gordon feels so perfect for that type of

1260
01:23:55,560 --> 01:24:00,279
a role that I can't necessarily think
of anyone else that they should be going

1261
01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:03,119
after. But yeah, I mean
that that would be where you could go

1262
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:08,159
with that. I guess maybe if
Memphis was like willing to deal to Anthony

1263
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:11,960
Mountain, but spoiler alert, I
don't think that they would be. You

1264
01:24:12,039 --> 01:24:15,000
could probably talk yourself into Leak Beasley
a little bit, but I don't know

1265
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:19,760
if I'm just sort of overweighting the
ball handling. Alec Burks would be good

1266
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,920
for this team. I think he
was a free agent target for them way

1267
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,840
back when, not this past summer, or maybe he was this past summer,

1268
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,479
but the summer before that when he
ended up signing with the Knicks.

1269
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:33,680
They could definitely go that route with
him. I don't think a kemba would

1270
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,079
like that's just going from campaign to
kemba. You're not playing. You could

1271
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:44,079
probably get away with playing Burks alongside
Booker and CP three burks Pot doesn't provide

1272
01:24:44,199 --> 01:24:47,239
enough rim pressure, but he has
shown he can like not be totally mutilated

1273
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:51,359
when he's defending on the wings against
certain players. A Foigner would be a

1274
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,039
no for me, just going through
Nicks there because they have so many of

1275
01:24:55,119 --> 01:25:00,319
those pieces. Gary Harris doesn't have
enough ball handling, even though he's shooting

1276
01:25:00,319 --> 01:25:02,039
better on drives. This season also
makes just so much money, which is

1277
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,680
Phoenix has the flexibility under the tax
to do some things, but they really

1278
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:12,159
have to step ladder of their way
to get there. The Timeline folks when

1279
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:15,039
they came on this podcast mentioned Harrison
Barnes. Don't think Sacrament is gonna move

1280
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,560
him now, and that's probably a
trade where you actually have to give up

1281
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:21,159
like more tangible assets, and are
you willing to give up Cam Johnson at

1282
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,640
this point would be the name plus
other stuff obviously for Harrison Barnes, I

1283
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,119
don't know if they'd be willing to
do that. A lot of people have

1284
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,920
mentioned Jeremy Grant again, I think
you run into an asset problem. I

1285
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,640
also don't think he has enough ball
skills to really help. He would help

1286
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,119
let me, just like we've seen
him that he could work in Iso,

1287
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:43,199
but I don't know playoff setting him
on the ball. I would prefer them

1288
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:45,640
to have Eric Gordon versus Jeremy Grant, even though Grant opens up a ton

1289
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,039
of them for them defensively, and
maybe you consider him someone who's more likely

1290
01:25:49,119 --> 01:25:56,560
to crack closing lineups. I do
not know the not a Daniel Gallinari,

1291
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,239
and I don't even know why Atlanta
would be, Like, they're probably looking

1292
01:25:59,239 --> 01:26:01,439
to buy in that scenario, and
that's just that's so much money too.

1293
01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:06,560
Sacramentos, if anyone they would be
interested in that, they're probably I know

1294
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,479
people mentioned that he is young,
but that's like, again, we're I

1295
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:15,279
think they're set at the four five
spots right now. Derek White might be

1296
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,560
interesting. I would be curious what
the cost would be to get him.

1297
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:24,680
If you're Phoenix, wrap it up
here, I'm promised with slopping through this,

1298
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,079
would you give up two first round
picks future first round picks, at

1299
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:32,199
least one of which would post date
CP three's current contract in twenty twenty six

1300
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:35,840
first round pick, plus you're twenty
twenty four. If that was the crux,

1301
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:41,199
would you would you do it and
you can get to Derek White's money.

1302
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,640
I think. I think you just
need Sarich and Jalen Smith, and

1303
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:49,720
so you're banking on the Spurs just
prioritizing those first rounders. Who knows if

1304
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:56,479
they if they do that, but
that's the route you could go. You

1305
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,199
can also fold Landry Shammitt the poison
Pill extension into some of these deals that

1306
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:04,720
you're looking at. Probably better if
you're taking back higher salary players I would

1307
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:09,640
consider with Derek White being a nearly
sixteen million he could be among them.

1308
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,399
You also be the option of moving
camera pray if you want to just looking

1309
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,079
at the number. He's not irreplaceable
and teams will be willing to digest.

1310
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,760
He's guaranteed six million dollars next year, and then the final season of his

1311
01:27:19,359 --> 01:27:26,640
contract is non guaranteed. So yeah, there's there's at least like some solutions

1312
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,439
out there. Eric Gordon's the perfect
one. I am curious to see what

1313
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,560
Phoenix does the deadline. If anything, they're the best team in the league

1314
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,600
right now, and so maybe they
sort of prioritize standing pat but I do

1315
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,119
think that they have an actual void
where they could really use some rim pressure

1316
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:45,199
or just more ball handling to break
down length in the playoffs. And I'm

1317
01:27:45,279 --> 01:27:48,680
really thinking specifically about the Bucks for
the most part. And there are other

1318
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,359
teams of course, of the Warriors
among them, I could give them problems

1319
01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:59,159
in the playoffs. So I'm thinking
specifically about those matchups. Last, let's

1320
01:27:59,159 --> 01:28:03,760
go two mores here. What team
do you suspect to be the most aggressive

1321
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,880
at the deadline? Probably just Philly. This is from Sorry, that's from

1322
01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:12,880
k Fletch. I actually maybe it's
Phoenix, just because they sense their window

1323
01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:15,800
is now. But I don't I
feel like we haven't heard enough rumblings out

1324
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,079
of them too. It feels like
it'll be just a minor move like the

1325
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:23,279
the Tory Craig move of last season. Or do they just view like the

1326
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:29,880
mid season acquisition of Bim Bismack Biombo
as the the move for them Philly,

1327
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,399
just because I'm sure they're in all
these Ben Simmons trade talks. If you're

1328
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,800
kind of looking for like a not
a cut below, but like a less

1329
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:42,239
obvious example of a team that is
really seeking upgrades, I want it to

1330
01:28:42,319 --> 01:28:44,520
be Toronto. It's Utah. I
don't mean to step on in tones of

1331
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,239
Utah again, but I think it's
Utah. Them or maybe Chicago. Just

1332
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:51,079
seeing Cleveland having loaded up, what's
going on in Brooklyn. You do have

1333
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:55,079
to consider if they're at full strength. The Bucks look like they're playing better

1334
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:58,800
of late after their in Malays.
You have Atlanta perking up, Boston is

1335
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,840
perking up. Does that motive Chicago
with injuries to a Lonzo Ball and Alex

1336
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,680
Caruso, to do something. I'd
be against making the Patrick Williams all in

1337
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:11,920
special offer this trade deadline, especially, I just don't know what players are

1338
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:15,520
available that are worth that. But
can you get someone like a Josh Richardson

1339
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:17,680
or Marcus Morris would help this team
a ton, And so I'm gonna say

1340
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,760
Chicago or Utah will be the most
aggressive. I wish that it was Toronto

1341
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,760
or Memphis, the two teams that
I think have actual assets to move and

1342
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:30,920
I feel like are one player away
from being really special. I did want

1343
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,680
to mention the Bucks because the reason
we're report recording this podcast is because Tie

1344
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:39,039
Windows of the Eurostep podcast. You
should check them out also a Blue Wire

1345
01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:42,199
podcast. They cover the Milwaukee Bucks. Acts that there could be another hard

1346
01:29:42,199 --> 01:29:44,199
one knocks. I don't know if
he's actually going to listen to this I

1347
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:45,880
don't know how often he listens to
us. I know he helps promote us,

1348
01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:50,560
and I appreciate anyone who listens,
especially when they cover one specific team.

1349
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,359
Really, I think it means a
lot that people tune into a national

1350
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,199
podcast when we're at a time where
localized coverage means a lot, and it

1351
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:02,199
should mean a lot, And it's
a great time for podcasters and writers covering

1352
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:05,600
a specific team, and they're able
to provide just such good insight the eurostep

1353
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:10,199
among them. But three. Personally, I like covering the league at large,

1354
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:13,079
even though it could be stressful and
exhausting at times, and it does

1355
01:30:13,159 --> 01:30:17,479
mean the world to me not to
be too gooey and mushy when people who

1356
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:23,239
are predominantly covering one team, even
though if you're a fan of the NBA

1357
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,319
or one team in the NBA,
you do kind of find yourself following along

1358
01:30:26,359 --> 01:30:30,079
with everyone else. The fact that
anyone listens or would even consider our existence

1359
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,520
is pretty cool. But I'm just
gonna talk some Milwaukee Bucks straight. I

1360
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,800
came up with a Milwaukee Bucks straight
specifically for ty Windish, And there's really

1361
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,079
two. If the Toronto Raptors go
out and get Rashawn Holmes because I think

1362
01:30:42,119 --> 01:30:46,199
that they should and he's a great
fit there, and because the Kings have

1363
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:49,520
Domasa Bonus on the roster. Now, can you get Chris Brouchet. I

1364
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,560
know he's like not the typical big, but he's been defending so well this

1365
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,319
season. He said he was not
defending well last season. I thought it

1366
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:59,119
was pretty good defensively. So that's
either he's too hard on himself or I

1367
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:00,960
suck at my job. Maybe somewhere
in the middle, I would lead towards

1368
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,960
I suck at my job. But
he kind of not three ball isn't falling,

1369
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:08,720
but he spaces the floor in general, and I think over the past

1370
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,520
couple of years he's gotten better at
navigating off the ball when going to the

1371
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,279
basket. If you wanted to use
him as sort of a rim runner,

1372
01:31:14,319 --> 01:31:15,479
but you could play him with Giannas, you could play him with Portis,

1373
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:20,000
You'll play with Brook Lopez if you
want to. The trade that I actually

1374
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:25,079
had trying to find the Bucks a
big man and just going back watching a

1375
01:31:25,119 --> 01:31:30,039
little bit of Dante de Vincenzo specifically
asked after I listened to the latest euro

1376
01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:35,000
Step podcast, where if you want
to really get into the nuts and bolts

1377
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:40,880
of Greg Munroe's body composition. That
episode of the podcast is for you.

1378
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:44,760
They got into a lot of other
cool stuff. Obviously, if Milwaukee's dead

1379
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,039
set on getting up big, I
don't think they're gonna be able to find

1380
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:49,439
like their PJ. Tucker replacement,
although maybe I have like a like a

1381
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:54,399
poor man's poor man's PJ. Tucker
replacement. Here, let's talk about the

1382
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,399
dance. I have no idea what
the fuck is gonna happen in Brooklyn.

1383
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,960
Like James hard and I think he
does want out. Hawyry Irving's playing in

1384
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,680
like every eighth game or like it, and he wouldn't be available if they're

1385
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:08,039
in the play and tournamentute like they
have injuries. The lore between Joe Harris,

1386
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,760
LaMarcus Aldres is banged up. Their
front court rotation is a mishmash.

1387
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,640
They have Nicholas Claxton headed towards free
agency. I wouldn't get rid of him

1388
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,439
because he's so important to They're switching
defense, and they have to switch on

1389
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,800
defense when they're at full strength,
but they're not at full strength, and

1390
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,680
Claxton's hardly ever at full strength,
and he is entering free agency restricted free

1391
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,239
agency, so they have the rights
to match. However, they do need

1392
01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:33,159
like more two wayish players on the
perimeter. And I know Docte de Vincenzo

1393
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has been bad this year, I'm
going to give him a little bit of

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01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:39,119
a grace pier and given how much
time he's missed, if you don't put

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01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,720
the ball in his hands that often, he can still give you some impact

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01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,960
as a mover and shaker away from
it. And I just feel like his

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01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:49,479
stand still three point clip. While
I have not checked it specifically, his

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01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:54,119
three point numbers are not pretty.
They are actually the opposite of pretty.

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01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,079
I just feel like he could help
that team, and then his defensive range

1400
01:32:59,079 --> 01:33:01,239
would certainly help that team. Someone
who you could say, hey, I'm

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01:33:01,279 --> 01:33:05,520
gonna play him with Bruce Brown and
or DeAndre Bembrey. And that doesn't make

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01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:10,279
me feel like shit about shrinking the
floor on the offensive side, which I

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01:33:10,399 --> 01:33:14,119
think it. You probably do feel
a little crappy if it's Bruce Brown and

1404
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,039
of DeAndre Memmi playing at the same
time, which has happened a little bit

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01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:23,279
this season. So the structure here
is Dante DiVincenzo, I do think probably

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01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:28,960
is less value than Claxton, even
though he like fills Or's more an archetype

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01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,319
of player, teams would be more
inclined to invest in. But Dante Devencenzo

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01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:38,600
and that twenty twenty five Indiana's second
round pick for Nicholas Claxton and Javon Carter.

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01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,319
The thought process here is, maybe
the Bucks on another guard with Steven

1410
01:33:42,399 --> 01:33:45,079
kenso leaving. Carter is shooting a
ball well over the past few games,

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01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,720
and the Nets have needed to play
him because they're so banged up, and

1412
01:33:49,119 --> 01:33:54,119
you don't have hard, you don't
have Kyrie. But the thought process here

1413
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:59,039
is Brooklyn actually shaves money and creates
a roster spot with the move, and

1414
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,159
the Bucks added their tax bill a
little bit, but maybe the Nets are

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01:34:02,199 --> 01:34:06,520
more concerned with their tax tax bill. Milwaukee can also try and jettison one

1416
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,520
of their other minimum contracts and too, hey, maybe it's okay Seas give

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01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,600
them something so that they're a net
neutral in the salary department here. But

1418
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,800
that works, and Brooklyn gets out
of the final year of Javon Carter's deal,

1419
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,119
which is worth only three point nine
million, But again, their tax

1420
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:25,319
bill is through the roof, and
maybe Milwaukee, just like that dude will

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01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:29,199
defend his butt off end to end, and if he's gonna hit threes like

1422
01:34:29,279 --> 01:34:33,720
Bubble Javon Carter, that dude was
a cap flock problem. I would love

1423
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,720
that for I think both sides.
If you're gonna move Claxton because you have

1424
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:44,119
faith that Okay LaMarcus Aldres is gonna
be healthy, we trust Blake Griffin.

1425
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:46,119
We think we can get real run
out of day Ron Sharp. Maybe it

1426
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:53,680
falls apart there. If you're looking
to sweep the process for Brooklyn here and

1427
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,520
look, Milwaukee is part of this. You wouldn't keep Greig mcrou around so

1428
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,000
that you do have that roster rock
to play around with. But if you

1429
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:01,159
can continue to find other teams to
help you get rid of another one of

1430
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:06,039
your minimum contracts, maybe it's a
Rodney Hood Jemmy Ole Jelay and then take

1431
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:10,840
back as part of a separate just
transaction because they're all on minimums. James

1432
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,840
Johnson or Paul mill Stap. Paul
mil Sap would almost be ideal. He

1433
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,680
does not looked great this season.
He's also not with the nets at this

1434
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,079
point because he wasn't really playing,
and I think he was more helpful to

1435
01:35:19,159 --> 01:35:23,119
Denver last year than people credit him
with and if you're just trying to load

1436
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:26,319
up on your front court with different
types of options and you walk away with

1437
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,800
Paul Millsap and or James Johnson.
But James Johnson has been playing for the

1438
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,880
Nets again because they're so banged up
up front, including with stuff Nicholas Claxton

1439
01:35:33,319 --> 01:35:40,039
was previously dealing with, but also
LaMarcus Aldridge, Paul mal Sapp, Javon

1440
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:45,920
Carter and excuse me, Nicholas Claxton, John Carter, PUBMLS and Nicholas Clackston

1441
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,800
for Dante di Vincenzo. Break it
up into transactions and in the second round

1442
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,399
pick. If you need to give
up another second round pick, as the

1443
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:56,159
Bucks, I would still do it. I like Claxton's fit there that much.

1444
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:00,000
Not the largest center, but he
can just really move around the floor,

1445
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,439
and he can locked down point guards, and so you know that I'm

1446
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:08,920
just imagining Claxton playing with Jannis,
imagining him playing with Cortis. That's something

1447
01:36:09,079 --> 01:36:13,239
that I couldn't vision working really well. I don't know how much the Nets

1448
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:15,760
value Clackson. They should highly,
but if they believe in Donna deven Gens

1449
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:20,600
and they know that they really need
like players who are twos slashed maybe can

1450
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,239
guard up to threes or even help
them out defensively at the one. Like

1451
01:36:25,359 --> 01:36:29,319
just two guys who can actually profile
as two way players on the perimeter,

1452
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:34,520
aside from k D and Joe Harris
two way players on the perimeter, because

1453
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:38,600
it's not Yeah, Cameron Thomas great
one way, Kyrie Riverving not going to

1454
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:42,159
be puny sealthy even this like Beacon
of Defense didn't for James Harden. If

1455
01:36:42,199 --> 01:36:45,359
they acquire Ben Simmons, I don't
know if that makes it more or less

1456
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:48,359
intriguing for them to do this deal. I might argue that it's more intriguing

1457
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:54,520
because then Ben Simmons is there to
sort of anchor or defense. But yeah,

1458
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:58,239
if I think Nicholas Claxton is like
the I don't think he's been He's

1459
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:00,920
been talked about as someone was available. I don't know if they've talked about

1460
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,640
it on the Eurostep podcast previously.
But Ty, I might tag you in

1461
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,039
this when I promote it. But
what do you think of my Dante DiVincenzo

1462
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:14,840
second round pick for Javon Carter and
Nicholas Claxton. That is the basis of

1463
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,520
it. Net Spans can get at
me there and also to sweet Nipper book.

1464
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,079
And you further cut your tax bill
would create a second roster spot.

1465
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:25,159
Forced Milwaukee to find a way to
send someone else out, maybe to someone's

1466
01:37:25,159 --> 01:37:28,520
if they want their tax bill to
remain net mutual, like I said,

1467
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:30,560
and then you send them back palmell
step as well. And if if I'm

1468
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,079
Milwaukee, I actually might even prefer
that scenario. I don't know what it

1469
01:37:34,119 --> 01:37:40,239
would take to give Rodney hood to
okay see or show me olderlao okay see,

1470
01:37:40,319 --> 01:37:43,439
or just you know, another one
of those players to another team.

1471
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:46,600
That is the framework here that I
am thinking, and I believe that is

1472
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,800
all the questions that we actually had. I'm gonna scroll through this really quick

1473
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:56,079
because I might as well finish it
every single one of these questions if if

1474
01:37:56,119 --> 01:37:58,359
we have them. Nope, I
believe I got to all of them out.

1475
01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:02,079
This is the last. This is
our final one. What team is

1476
01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:08,279
always active at the deadline? I
needed to have researched a question like this.

1477
01:38:08,359 --> 01:38:12,159
I think I saw a study though
that in the history it's actually the

1478
01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:17,279
New Orleans franchise that is averaging the
most trades per year. Their existence was

1479
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:19,600
shorter, and this was a few
years ago that I saw it if I

1480
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:25,640
had to ballpark it. I feel
like we always see stuff happen in Toronto,

1481
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,079
Cleveland or does it feel like Orlando
is always doing something at the deadline

1482
01:38:30,079 --> 01:38:34,760
without without even looking I want to
know your answer, Get at me at

1483
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:39,399
Dan for Valley fav Ali or at
Hardward Knox. My official answer is just

1484
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:42,960
gonna be is it even like?
I just feel like in years past this

1485
01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:50,600
was really frisky. I'm gonna say
Cleveland or Toronto, Orlando one of those

1486
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,399
three teams. But who would you
pick? That's without looking at anything,

1487
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,920
And maybe there's just like not a
great baser for that. I think some

1488
01:38:57,039 --> 01:38:59,479
of the teams. We know it's
not the Spurs if that's any constellation,

1489
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,600
and look, we know it's not
the Celtics. Danny Aange was the assultan

1490
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,199
of almost hashtag. Sorry Utah Jazz
fans. If you if you hear a

1491
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:10,840
lot of like could have been trades
after the deadline. If you've made it

1492
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:14,159
this far, thanks for sticking along. I hope none of this is outdated.

1493
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:15,479
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1494
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,319
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1495
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:21,840
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1496
01:39:23,039 --> 01:39:27,279
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1497
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,960
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1498
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:33,960
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1499
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:38,600
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1501
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1506
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,359
with the shout out to the one
the only. He should probably be traded

1507
01:40:03,399 --> 01:40:09,640
to a contender. Stuff They can
bolster their championship chanted with his lock down

1508
01:40:10,119 --> 01:40:12,319
defenses. Frankie Lookino