And we're back. So this was a part of this other room that came
out same sore. So again, this is where I don't know if this
would be. This is where like I wonder if there's I know, we
broke away from that topic, but is there like a possibility you could do
like a street level Spider Man movie with the three Spider Man, Like,
is there a way to mean the middle with that where it's like we're gonna
have street level and the Spider Men are just around? It's I think he
could right kind of. It's kind of like how we when we did the
animated show and then like we'd have an episode where Spidy fights like the Insidia
six, Yeah for the Sinister six, but then we go back and then
he fights only Rhino, Like yes, another episode, well that's fight six
at one. So like this doesn't really make sense. And so that's where
I just don't know how you keep the scale down if you bring those other
two back. And we saw them dismantle all these huge villains and not just
like powerful villains, but villains that are from our childhood too, like these
other actors, big performance, big characters is in there, right, Yeah,
Like you gotta you gotta crank up the intensity. And that's where it
like it starts to balloon, where Okay, we're not gonna bring those guys
back, maybe one of them or something. You gotta add a bunch more
in and they can't just like we already went and grabbed all the best of
from those other Spiders movies. So instead you have to go get like some
other huge villains or big characters. So and you know you have, if
you have the multiverse angle to it, you can bring in absolutely anyone.
But it just feels difficult to to envision that not just being very quickly not
a street level movie. That's why it sucks, because this wouldn't be street
level either, but it like for a villain that way, it's three level
just means in New York, then yeah we can Yeah true, Yeah,
I think to me it has more meaning just than just New York. Yeah,
I agree. I agree with you too, because it's like, if
it's street level and it's Kingpin that is a villain in this, I still
think it's Kingpin with somebody. It's not Kingpin alone is taking the Three Spiders
with bulls Eye. But I think bothah universe of bulls. Oh gosh,
but this is where I you know, I have an eternal hate for what
happened with it, So I know people will say, oh, you're biased,
but like this is where I wish the Venom movies didn't exist, because
like I feel like Venom is like a character you could see, like I'll
see you have the toe one. But imagine in the MC it's like they
bring in Venom. It's like that's a solo character. I believe you can
go left behind, right and it's not hard. Yeah, So could you
think maybe it finds in No, who's Eddie Brock in our universe? Again?
Oh, we don't have any Brock in MCU right, No way,
flash, Tom's okay, you have a different Yeah, kind of flat?
So like I know the story running yet too that there's a rumor that the
film's gonna be someone I haven't seen before, but like, could that be
believable? Where like the goof finds an Eddie Brock and it's like a really
scary Venom and that's who the the peap like amazing, Toby and Tom Hollan
got a fight, why even go I mean, maybe this is too far
out there from being street level, why even go with an Eddie Brock.
I mean if Sony has problems with that, like, hey, we got
Venom three, Tom Hardy is our Eddie and right now we're going with him.
But then Kevin could be like, Okay, well what if and here
kind of piggyback on what you're saying, Dylan, like earlier with an Avenger's
character, what if failure Avengers hero and the symbio jumps on him, Like
that'd be so cool? Who would that be? That's that's gonna say right
that? Like, is that alone? That you that one villain? To
me, that's that's worthy of fighting through Spider Man, Like that's power stuff.
And maybe you could do in the way where you know what I'm not
even though this is not the room we're all, I'd be completely down with.
You get Ruffalo, great and poor things. I can't wait talking golden
gigs. But you get Ruffalo and maybe him and Peter they're vibing right,
they're scientists, so to be in the movie he's smart Hulk. Still,
that Simeo gets to him and that's what snaps him back into savage Hulk.
Is that symbio messling with that gamratation and this is all and here's okay.
So Daredevil is around, right, yeah, he's like, I know a
Hulk, let me these five against that that would be so sick or even
then two Taylor's favorite. He could be I don't know what he's doing,
but he's there someone you can even just have Jennifer hear the news and if
her a matter still an item, like he's already there, like he's just
like having a sleepover and stuff. But oh my goodness, like that a
halt of a symbiote Hulk with first thing the three Spider Man like that could
work because I don't know if there's any other MCU current character right now that
I would buy, Like they get the symbio in her Big Threat, like
so what we got sung Sheet. I don't think that's gonna happen one of
the Eternals. We got Moon Nights. They wouldn't do that after the movie
though, I think the success right, they probably again like we want someone
else now, They wouldn't do strange. And I don't want to see a
symbiote strange because there's just something I don't want to see. Ben. Yeah,
I don't want to see if symbio using magic. There's just something,
there's something af with like that's what they'll do, Captain. I mean,
I don't I don't know if this would work. But like man like a
giant, like a giant man, giant wild. Yeah, I'm trying to
think who else has been in the phase four and phase five you have like
Black Panther stuff, eternal stuff. Guya, guy gets the symbiot just got
right to Harrison Ford is Red Hulk and he gets the sim right. Wasn't
that your favorite one is? Didn't you find the one day it's like Red
Hulk with a Sybil with a t Rex or something what's or is a ghost
again? Red Hulk gets the Spirit of Vengeance and the symbiote and he's just
juiced. And that's it's Harrison for stuff where you just equip whatever random items
you want. I want that that sounds great, that it's all built in
there. Would that happen? Probably not, but that that's a threat actually
they gotta Yeah, it's I agree, but that currently the rumors going around,
which I feel like it's an easy one, but I still wanted to
throw it out there that I don't know if it's the main villain or one
of the villains. But it sounds like that whole whatever version of the script
is there as a villain that's never been seen before in live action that's going
to be in this. So Dyl, must you have any spring of mind
that you haven't seen the movies but you know the Games animation one that you're
dying for that hasn't been a live action yet. And it sounds like it
was both Sony and Marble, So it doesn't sound like it's like a morbeast
or something that I kind of I figured it would be a craven or something
like that. Yeah, the few thoughts, I mean, there's got to
be some goblin that like, technically we haven't seen like Hobby, right,
we haven't seen hobbyln we' we haven't seen him, right technically? No,
and that's Ned. You can get Ned Leeds back and he could be the
villain there. I don't want that either at all, but that that is
one of the hog Golbins is Ned, so you could do something like that.
Yeah. I was also thinking, and I don't know if this could
really work as a main villain, but you know, I just talked about
how Zendaia, Like, I just don't think story wise it makes sense for
her to be in this What if you have Chameleon though, and Chameleon is
like Ned and Zendaya in this movie. I keep saying, Zendia, I
forget. I guess, Mr, So what is Caameleon doing as Adam today?
And that that's what I'm trying to figure out. What is I that's
the thing that he would have to You would have to know that. So
I don't know how there's some rule this like strangest spell where it okay,
I don't know. Maybe Chameleon was like imitating himself as as as a Spider
Man in that moment, and that's why the spell that I don't know,
you have to come up with some friend scheme. But that was that was
one thought. Black Cat. I guess we haven't seen her before. They're
never doing black Cat. I don't think she'd be a main villain three Spider
Man. Well, no, I don't think. Yeah, no, I
don't think that, even though I think that would be great if they actually
gave someone like that to Andrew as far as like that should be his story
as one coming to terms of them stuff. But then maybe finding love again.
But I just it would have to be one the other Spider Man.
I don't think Halling is gonna be I know, people be like, oh,
they're actors and everything. I get that, but I think if Zendia
and him are in the same movie, I don't think they're gonna give him
another love interest to like make out with. I just don't see the love
triangle in a real life relationship. I feel like, I don't know,
you know. The other ones I was thinking is like mister Negative is one
of those kind of low key characters who's in Spider Man twenty eighteen, And
I feel like that one they could really get interpreted with it and do all
sorts of different stuff. He can They could uber power him up too,
like you're talking about you could make him a three Spider Man threat, like
I know he has to be in the games, but like he has some
pretty big powers. So yeah, and then this one's a bit more wild,
I suppose, but like Silver Surfer, like I don't know if that
gets around the technicality because he haven't been like a Spider Man, but that's
a big one. That's a big one. WHOA, Yeah, I don't
know, that's that's one one potential thought there. Okay, what about you,
Is there any villain that we haven't seen before that you think would fit
this bill? If not, you can pass. I mean, I mean,
I really don't know who else that's just kind of low key. My
mind just goes to larger contenders, bigger names, but anyone that's low key.
I feel like I would prescribe to what you said, like you'd have
your Kingpin and then you'd have someone that's just kind of is working with him.
That's why I feel like the Bulls I kind of fits with that.
But I, like I alluded to earlier, like you need after what we
had in the previous Spider Man and you have three of them coming back again.
No, we don't know that that's that's if. Yeah, So if
you have three of them again in this movie, then you I feel like
you need to up that anti of whatever like what we had in the previous
Spider Man film, because I and you got to make sure you pick in
the right villain, like you can't just do the Shocker or Scorpion or something
like well that was my pick with Scorpion, because like I like, with
three Spider Man No, no, no, no to me. If the
Three Spider Man happened, that villain thing gets thrown out the window, unless
it is like I don't know. I think it's all I can't say Madam
Webb because she has a movie, but I think if it's at the Three
Spidermen are there, it has to be someone of great scale or even though
it is kind of copying, like can you do Kingpin with a bunch of
villains? And that's why there's three Spider Man because that is like no Way
Home again, where it's then versus five or something, but like Kingpin,
get he makes a sinister six, right, and then they fight the Sinister
six. But it's kind of rinse and repeat. But I think of its
street level. I think Scorpion. I think Scorpions like a must. I
love Scorpion. He's a like I think this is the perfect type of route
for He's a good lackey bad guy that you can make really cool. He
could never just be his own villain. I think that suit as long as
you like cgi it not to be a wood truck can look really cool.
And I just think like the set piece between Tom Hall and then a Scorpion
with the tail and the Acid, Like you could really have some fun there.
So I think if it's the Street Level, I think it's scorp In
some other ones that Delani you'll appreciate were thrown Out or Tombstone or Hammerhead as
like that would make sense for Duns. Right, Tombstone was in Spider Verse,
but we haven't seen him. True, Yeah he was a been live
action yet, you know, so yeah, you could have him and anestly
Spider verses just like in there a little bit and hammer Head. But again,
like that's that's all. Like all the unseen live action ones make me
jump to Oh, that would be the Street Level movie then, because I
can see Tom Holme fighting Kingpin, Scorpion, Hammerhead, Tombstone all because like,
Okay, these people aren't the strongest, but together they can take down
in New York. But if it's all three Spider Man, yeah, I
think they've bop Scorpion pretty easy. Like I don't think that's like a like
maybe, like you said, mister Negative, maybe you could just really like
kind of like what they did with the Spot and Spider Verse right where they
just like turned his powers to a thousand. You could do that with mister
Negative. But you know, they made it more. They have made it
have more gravity and meant more darkness of the spot than I'm used to at
least I mean my oh yeah, history of the characters very limited to the
animated show. But and the other the other thought I had, And this
one's tricky because I feel like with these Spider Man things, you know,
they in terms of when MCU gets the rights to like do another movie,
it's like very spotty, So they don't want to like plan spotty future movies
on whether or not they're gonna get that. But I was thinking something like
Blade is probably too soon, but like wonder Man could be another one where
you could bring one of these characters like that could be their introduction would be
like in a Spider Man movie as a villain, and then you have their
I guess Blade movie or Wonderman TV show and that goes off in the thing.
I don't know much about wonder Man. I couldn't find I tried looking
up to see if he's fought Spider Man before. I don't think he would
be fighting them, you know version, But he's kind of like a villainous
guy, right mm hmm. Yes, And no, I don't think he'd
be this Spider Man level. I think what they're gonna do with him in
the NCU sounds like he's gonna be pretty low powered. It sounds like that's
gonna be almost more like Seahawk, where it's gonna be a bit more of
a comedy that's going around. So it makes sense. So we'll see,
Yeah, we'll see. And then the last point of Spidy news here.
So this is a rumor. This is a cee tier one, but there's
another person like post this and they took it down because they're like, oh,
it's embargled this news. I don't want to share it. So again,
I just want to throw this out here because you know, I think
this would be a terrible idea, doesn't make much sense. But also it
is we're talking about Sony as a company here. They love to make terrible
ideas. So there's a rumor going around right now that they are developing a
rated R animated Spider Man movie. I don't know what that would mean,
if that would mean Spider Man Peter Parker or spider Man Noir or whatever it
may be. But Taylor, would you one would you want this? And
two do you like, do you think this has actually got plausible thing and
do you think this would even be like a good idea to do, Like,
hey, we're doing a Radar Speriamn anime movie, not live action,
animated rated r I mean after the success of Spider Verse, and I mean
a ken it's it's it's not got any rated our tendencies. But yeah,
that one. I mean they got the animated film, like they got that
polyshed off. That's that's great. So with Miguel O'Hara and a few other
characters that they introduced in across the Spider Verse, I feel like it would
not be too out of reach for them to dip into some darker sides and
some darker tones of these characters. So if they were to pursue that,
I would be interested in for sure. I think that there's a there's such
a very serious and twisted story that you can explore when your Uncle Ben or
whoever that equivalent is in these multiversal stories dies, and you could really go
down that path more. And I'm not saying like it's decapitated. Well,
yeah, they've alluded to it, and it's something I really want to see,
you know. I feel like Toby is the one that Toby and Holland
have come close. Because when Holland's Spider Man was just going down and where
he's just like stab that glider into Greek goblin, that was fucking crazy.
And then you have Toby where he's going and chasing after the murderer of Uncle
Ben. Like there's so many different things like that. It's great, But
further than that, Yeah, why is that not good enough? Well?
It is good enough, But I mean if if they want to share another
story and and just showcase like going Beyond, and that's their choice to do
it, Like I'm I'm not necessarily saying like, oh, sonya, I
need this movie. I need this movie, but if they're observing it to
me like okay, well I'm gonna indulge. I'm gonna see what this has
to offer. And I feel like again when you're looking at Andrew Garfield and
he's talking to the other Spiderys like I stopped pulling my punches and he's alluding
to that darker side of things that in his timeline I'd be down to see
like what was going on? Like who is he fighting and what's the what
is the context here where he just loses his shit and he just comes to
like nearly murdering a guy like okay, so can I can I ask you
to fall up? Then that? Okay, that's a I can see the
pitch. A fine, we want to tackle Starker Spider Man, you know,
go to BVS for oute with Superman, get tod Do you think an
animated form is the best when like, so far so the animation has done
Spider Verse, you know, cross whatever, like, and those are very
accessible to kids, and kids have fallen fallen in love with Miles Morals because
of movies like that. So do you think like they there's a there's a
preview for a new animated movie and then in the end it's like righted r
you know, like eighteen play Like kids cannot go see this movie unless you
know their parents are around. So that's where it's just like I think you
could explore that, But you think you can explore that in animation now where
they're popping off with these these kids movies and projects or you know, i'll
say family family projects. Well thanks kind of mixed message there from a company,
Yeah, like what are you looking up? What are you trying to
look up? To I was trying to comparison, to come at you with
here, I just need to confirm that. Yeah, okay, So what
about Batman The Killing Joke? What a what a good example there? One
one of the worst comic movies of all time. I felt. I feel
like that partially made Dylan justs like Batman for like five years, because I
thought him like, Oh, you're gonna love the killing joke. It's remember
we saw in that movie, haven't I you have? I can't remember a
single thing about it. Wow, from my mind long ago. There's a
review on Geek Versus as well. It's I think it's you, Me,
Kyle and Emily, and I remember it's early on the podcast we got it
in the theaters. That might be the most forgettable movie in first history.
I haven't thought about that movie probably since we hit end broadcast on the record.
And I remember that I was one of the few Batman comics you had
read too. You read that like I gave you that, and I was
like talking it up. And when we saw that movie, that was painful.
Remember it had like and Kirklin was with us. He was on the
review, had like Mark Hamill talking about Star Wars and stuff like that,
like what the fuck's going on? Oh I don't remember, I really don't
so, and how how much did that movie make? Taylor? That was
a smaller release, but like not not great, And but I think the
difference is though four million. I think the difference is though, like I'm
not saying, I guess this would be like Spider Verse, like into the
violence, Like I don't think it would be a sequel. I just feel
like if they clearly got a good thing going with family animated movies in the
box office, like I just don't This is a time where when we cover
rumors, I say, oh, we come from because Grand Staal, because
like, look, a couple of weeks ago, what do we cover the
Oh, it was the patrol thing right? That was like, oh no,
it was the uh Stephen youwton thing that came out from like a sea
tear scoopers that I've heard this, it's happening. And then then four hours
later all the eight tiers were like, yeah, it's true. So that's
why we always talk about these things because you never know. This is something
that I have to think is completely bull shitd and made up because I just
don't think I know Sony is dumb, and I know they've done a lot
of things, a lot of questionable things. I can't say that overall thene
it's the people of Spider Man that I've They've made a lot of questionable decisions.
I just don't see who would be in that room pitching and being like,
yeah, let's do that if it was live action that I could even
see like we're getting craven, Like if they're like, hey, we want
to do a Spider Man Noir, but we want to make it black when
we want to make it like Sin City Watchmen really mature. See what the
audience is out there, that's fine to me, But the second you go
animated, imagine the pitch would be, oh, it's cheaper that way.
But I just don't think the market's there at all. And then I think
that also hurts, like the Spider Verse market, which you look at,
Uh, what was it? I was into and across it was a massive
jump up. So I just like, I, this can't be true.
In my opinion, There's no way it can't be true. And I don't
even know if I Spider Man is just kind of one of those films where
like I'm not saying you can't do anything or characters that. I'm not saying
you can't do anything darker. But I don't think Spider Man necessitates in our
rating. I don't need f bombs. I don't need a full on shame
sex scene of it an MJ. I don't need gratuity like like the ratings
of Spider Man movies get. None of my problems are, oh, this
should have been darker, you know. So that's where I just I can't
believe this is real. There's no way, and if this happens to come
up, I'll be very surprised. There's no way. Yeah, Honestly,
I don't think I have anything that I completely agree with everything you just said.
I know, I think it's an awful idea. I don't think it's
real, and I don't personally have any interest in it. Like you'd really
have to convince me why it needs to be that way against all odds,
because that just is going to isolate so much of the market that is Spider
Man. And yeah, I think it could potentially hurt the brand a bit
too, in terms of what people expect or what parents expect maybe to see
this R one and then they're like, oh, you can't go see the
New Spider versus. Yeah, those RRA and movies, and then you just
like crap all over this whole Momentumy built. So yeah, I don't I
don't see it happen. Maybe a short, maybe do some short put on
a streaming service. Yeah, a twenty minute thing where Uncle Ben you get
your head exploded by a bomb or something. Yeah, he's into it.
That's the only way. Yeah that I was talking about that with Brent because
we were going back and forth because it's a Spider Man. He's a big
fan. I imagine that's his favorite character, like fiction Marvel. Yeah,
definitely, but I give Chris. Chris would be the Daredevil guy. And
I just feel like the only way I could see this is if they partnered
with or if Sony had their own streaming service and they were gonna do this,
it would only have to be a thing for streaming. And at that
point I just go same thing, like why are they even doing that?
Like why are they putting the funds to make like oh, on Amazon,
you're gonna get you know, here you go. Because I know Clay was
bringing those up to which I do understand He's like, oh, well,
this could be because like Invincible has like it does well, has lots of
hype. Maybe that's the one to capitalize and do something similar to that.
It's like I guess, but also it's on Amazon Prime, which doesn't have
to make a profit, right, Like majority of people have Video Prime Video
because they have Amazon Prime. We'll have to see if they ever branch off.
So it's just like, I just don't know if the like what Taylor's
trying to look up, the market for animated radar movies is there to make
such a leap, you know. Yeah, I can't imagine, like which
director or writer would like bring this proposal to someone guarantina do this? Yeah,
this final film. The only kind of tear I can picture is like
the people are making like Pooh, blood and Honey and like movies. But
it's like Sony is not gonna want to pick something like that up, just
like some no R rated thing for the sake of it being R rated and
uh kind of edgy, right, Like they don't want that. I would
hope another one Sausage Party one forty one million at the box office. That's
I did Google. I was like, what are what anime movies. I'm
like, yeah, I don't think I need a Spider Man just cracking wise
talk about his dick and yeah, no like Spider Orgy or whatever. Yeah,
yeah, not a good tracker. So I, like I said,
I don't believe this. Maybe there's some hybrid of like don't said it's a
short, or maybe they're even doing some sort of like maybe it is like
an Invincible series for that I could see, like, Okay, it's like
a show on a streaming series somewhere that's gonna be a bit darker. But
I also just still don't think we'd call a Spider Man neither too. I
think it would be like uh, Noir or twenty ninety nine or something like
that. I don't think they'd be It would be like a Peter Parker story
in Radar. So we'll see. But cut to three months from later when
we're talking about Oh, Phila and Chrismaller are really excited for this project,
and we're like, all right, let's see what happens. Let's say you're
saying I break and then we'll be right back