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What is up, fellow Sikos.
I am Dan Favalley, joined as always

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by mister Grant Hughes. Another very
special podcast for you, super duper incredible

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collaboration with Bleacher Reports, Joey Aikley, Jay Dunbar and Brian Taporik. They

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are back. You've now seen them
on the channel by this point multiple times.

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I believe they are Twitter links.
Are their links to their Twitter or

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counts? Excuse me, We'll be
in the podcast and YouTube description. We're

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doing a five year draft or breed
draft today. Basically the top thirty players

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anyone that was eligible for a draft
class. They could have been undrafted,

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but since twenty nineteen there are more
extensive rules and thoughts and approaches that went

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into this. We are coming you
from the past. Grant and I actually

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have not done this yet. The
five of us have not gone through this.

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Going to bring Joey, Jay and
Brian up on stage in just a

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minute, but Grant anything else before
we kind of just you know, baptize

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ourselves by fire as we get every
single pick right. The goal is to

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pick the top thirty players of the
last five years that were drafted, and

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I'm excited to have one hundred percent
hit rate. I'm I'm excited for this

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to be not remotely controversial, for
everyone to agree that all the picks are

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correct and in the proper order,
and I'm just happy to I'm happy to

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be here for what we've already set
up will be a draft without flaws,

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so you know that'll be fun.
It is good to see all four of

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your faces again. Very excited to
get into this. But before we get

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into the nitty gritty of, as
Grant already said, getting every single pick

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right, Jay, are you able
to just take us through this process and

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what we're actually attempting to do here
and how it'll work and all that that

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good stuff. Yeah, absolutely so
we hear. You know, as a

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pr you know, we love redrafting
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We're just kind of cheting for some
poops. So we decided to do a

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five year redraft. We're actually using
the twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three classes,

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mostly because you know, this year's
group hasn't played a minute in an

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actual game yet, but also twenty
nineteen is just a more interesting class in

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this year because you know, let's
face it, this, this isn't that

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exciting in a group. But so
as far as the actual rules that we're

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doing, we're doing a full first
round redraft. We're using for the order,

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we're using the winning percentage of the
last five seasons, so we can

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kind of get a good gauge of
where the team should fall without you know,

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copying last year. It's order,
and you know, the pix will

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be based on best player available generally, although we will consider a team needs

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in certain cases, and we're not
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of unfairly, you know, skew
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classes or getting a little bit more
expensive. So but I think I covered

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everything. Somebody can correct me if
I miss anything, But that's the general

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gist of it. And we're gonna
possibly collaborate on certain picks where there might

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be too divisive or if they're they're
not no brainers as well, all take

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turns. But we're not actually building
individual teams, correct, Yeah, we

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have we have each of us are
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one person will in the end make
the call. But this is more collaborative

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this time, and we're gonna kind
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Well, we have the teams.
Everyone is technically going to have the

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final saying up on screens, so
you could yell at each person based off

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how mad you are at that fanted
to make that easy on everybody. This

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was once again rigged by the person
who did a bunch of spreadsheet work.

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And Brian has the first pick.
So should are we all ready to yet

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started? Is anyone else? Are
we nervous? And he thoughts comments concerns

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before we take off? I was
gonna say, I wasn't clear there was

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the safety net of a collaborative discussion
on each thing. It's a bad pick.

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It's on all of us. It's
not just as you means. That's

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right. So Brian, are you
ready to start us? You have the

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first pick. Somehow you're the one
who ran the order and somehow went up

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with the first pick. So why
called shenanigans there a little bit? But

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whatever? That is? Right?
Yeah, Joey Jay and I met yesterday

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to just hammer out the ground rules
and I shared my screen. They can

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both out for this ran the randomizer
and this is the order came out with.

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So with the number one overall pick, the Detroit Pistons are going to

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select Victor women Yama, and I'm
guessing there will not be much much debate

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about this one. I mean,
Anthony Edwards would be the only other guy

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I would even remotely consider here.
But I think Wemby frankly has best player

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in NBA history within his realistic range
of outcomes. And with all due respect

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to ant ma'am and anyone else from
these other draft classes, I don't think

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that's the case. Wemby is going
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away. And well, you know, as the general manager of Detroit,

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I am fully anticipating in losing Kate
Cunningham that's some point in this draft.

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But I will happily make the trade
of Kate Cunningham for a big So we're

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not concerned with Jalen Duran's future.
I guess that's just just not super worried

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about it. Durham won't get poached
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I well, maybe I just tiped
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Marcus Sasser. How does he fit? I think, frankly, Detroit loves

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nothing more than accumulating too many big
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right Troy, I am out now
just being Troy Weaver. Yeah, there's

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like kind of a poetic tragedy to
the Spurs being the second team up and

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watching Wemby go first. So,
uh, Brian already kind of spoiled.

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WHI I'm picking for number two with
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I don't love framing things this way, but he might be the best two

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way player in the game right now, where you're talking about the highest ceiling

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on both offense and defense. I
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conversation. Wemby. Of course,
as time goes on, the offense has

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to develop a little bit, probably
Shay Gildas Alexander not eligible for the draft

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obviously, But just I don't know
who the other candidates are that you would

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want to, you know, throw
out in that situation. But yeah,

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I think this was also kind of
an easy pay, Like the first two

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felt like they were gonna be no
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thereafter. But I don't I mean, put him on San Antonio. There's

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no longer Wemby there, But that's
fine. You have another top tier perimeter

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defender. You know den Misseell was
he he was eligible for the straft,

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so we might lose him. But
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Chris Paul will set up Anthony Edwards. That'll be a nice little dynamic and

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fun. But I thought this was
an easy decision. Yeah, no notes

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right, Like there's just you know, you could you could really contort and

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try to think of a couple other
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think I would say Edward Wards had
no shot at being number one, But

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I think it's like even harder to
imagine him being number three, if that

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makes sense, Like this just is
the correct spot for him? Do you

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really think he doesn't have a cage? Just of like what is like the

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like are we sure that Wemby's going
to hit his ninety nine percentile outcome on

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offense and that like with that,
I wouldn't have to be clear I would

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have picked Wemba, But like,
is there is there an argument that,

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look what Anthony Edwards has done over
a longer period of time, is there

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a chance Wemby's ever as valuable as
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only way you get there to go
even like zoom out even more and just

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say, well, the injury risk
is there for Wemby as an ant has

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been super healthy and just we under
like his floor is like I don't know,

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two years ago, he's just not
going to be back down to that

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level. Maybe you know for another
ten Wemby, it's like, well we've

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never seen you got to rely on
the whole. We've never seen anything like

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this, so we don't know how
to project the health stuff or whatever.

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But that's all just such, you
know, transparent. You know, I'm

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just curious. I wouldn't have made
anybody. I did my best. I

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don't have a good case. But
number three it's great. It's me.

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I'll just job is off the board. Do you guys want to move to

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pick number four? Or even for
me it's a little early. I also,

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well, I don't know, I'll
be surprised if there's a ton of

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uh controversy here, but I think
it needs to be Tyre's Halliburton. I

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see some nodding, but but I
you know, I'm open to arguments.

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I just think I wasn't gonna look
too hard at team needs. But if

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we're talking Wizards and they're just like
Tias Jones remains unsigned, so like,

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and that even that wouldn't be an
overwhelming you know, we have our cornerstone,

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which also the Wizards don't have,
so to get Haliburton, who I

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think is probably the third best player
here anyway, at a position of pretty

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grave need for Washington just like kind
of checks all the boxes for me.

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But is there anybody else that we
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is it just Haliburton? I had
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that I think there might be a
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and I think it's probably pretty obvious
which point clients we're talking about. But

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you know, I think Hallie,
especially coming off a run of the Conference

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finals, and for all the reasons
you said the Wizards needed a point guard

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since prime John Wall, and you're
not going to get much better than a

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guy who's you know, a legitimate
candidate to leave the NBA. And it'sists

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probably each of the next ten years
sick he wants to be. I think

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also that because of the hamstring injury, some people have just forgotten that he

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was in the top three of the
NVB gussion before that. Hamstring injury,

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and so when he gets and then
he comes back, he's not the same.

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They turn over the roster a little
bit. You bring in Siakham,

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you lost Buddy Heel to the trade
deadline. They were playing him off the

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ball more. I think this is
not that anyone thought he was terrible after

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that, but if you're looking and
other names here that are about the comments,

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like Hyrie Salbert might have been one
of the five most valuable players in

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the NBA for basically half the season, and had he not gotten injured,

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maybe would have finished with that same
status, which is just okay, it's

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one season that doesn't happen by accident. Yeah, absolutely, and he was

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third on my board as well,
and even at you know, even after

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the injury, he was still scary
in the playoffs and the fact that he

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got injured against the Celtics, maybe
he saved their bacon. You know,

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they really pushed them and they deserve
their flowers, the Pacers do after that

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series. I mean, that was
you know, and Halley was he was

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scary in that series, even though
that was post injury. So yeah,

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I agreed with with everybody there.
I think, you know, he's maybe

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not as clear of a number three
as the other two picks were, but

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definitely comfortable with him at number three. So I am next for what teams

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we have? We have the Rockets, the Rockets, okay, well so

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Philly fans. But I think I'm
taking Maxy for this one, right we

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have. I think it's between maybe
him and Jaw and you know, just

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giving Jaws off court stuff, I'm
probably not putting in the future of my

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franchise in his hands, at least
if I have the choice not to.

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And you know, MAXI, who
knows what his failing is. I mean,

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he just keeps proving people wrong.
And you know, I think,

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uh, he's a He's a clear
number four from me, But I don't

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know if there's any pushback against that. This is a hard one for me.

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I had morent four on my board, but I totally take your like

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it's such a risk reward thing.
Like I guess the argument I would make

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for Moran, and there's probably two
or three other guys we could probably bring

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up, is that he's probably had
two seasons at least as good as MAXI

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was last year, you know,
in terms of scoring average, and like,

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really teams access too he was the
best player on Grizzlies teams that won

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fifty plus two years in a row. But yeah, the downside risk is

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just like it's so significant. And
if if the argument is like Maxi at

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his best is pretty close MAXI at
his worst, I would argue is nowhere

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near as bad as Jaw at his
worst in terms of like trying to build

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a functional franchise. So I get
it. I can't push back too hard,

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although it is we have too Tyresee's
in a row. How do we

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feel about that? Is like and
also with Jaw, great kind of alluded

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to this, but one there's an
addition to the off courtse stuff. There's

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just all the injuries. And then
it's easier to fit Tyrese Maxi into a

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larger like offensive ecosystem than Jahn Moran
right where you kind of have to build

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it around John Moran. He's worth, he's good enough to do. So

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you could build it around Maxi,
or you could make Maxi kind of a

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not an accessory, but like a
number two or number three option if you

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need to. And I don't think
Jaw is wired like his skill's not wired

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that way. And I also wonder
does his Even if you like Josh skill

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set in a vacuum better and I
think he's the better passer and there's more

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directionality to his game, how long
does his prime last when we know about

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these like hyper athletic point guards like
Maxie Speed made kind of Wayne as time

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goes on. But he also has
these other counters in different directions. So

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I honestly, even if you threw
the off court stuff and injury stuff out

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of the equation, do we think
the gap between these two is even that

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large? I would just say that
only like the counter to the counter to

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the counter is I can imagine.
I can imagine a scenario where John Morant

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is the best player on a team
clearly that makes like a conference finals or

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even a finals. I don't know
if I see that with MAXI. But

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maybe that's unfair just because of who
he already plays with, where like he's

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just not going to have that that
label. Does that you know what I

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mean? Like Moran is such a
singular star that you do have to build

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around, which is like a positive
and a negative as you explain, But

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I don't see that. I don't
know. Brian needs to weigh in.

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Yeah, what the hell, is
that a fairst of like the Maxie Morant

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comparison. Yeah, I think it
is. I mean I think Maxy to

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Dan's point, you know, if
you're imagining the hypothetical fit in Houston with

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like Red van Vleet, he both
guys can frankly play on or off the

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ball, and we saw there will
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there. But we saw Maxi with
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season after the trade deadline they after
he got bought out, like that dual

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point guard pairing actually worked really well
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he wasn't able to show in the
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mean, I obviously a little biased
here. I did have Maxie fourth in

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with my board, like I do
think it is close. But you know,

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Houston, I think in this exercise
in particular, it's also tough because

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you have to assume they're going to
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probably Jabari Smith as well, So
like they're you know, there is a

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major drop off of young talent there. It will still have you know,

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potentially guys like Tara Easton, Reed
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you know, figuring out the fit
after in the aftermath of this exercise would

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be really interesting. But I think
they'll have enough chips in play to still

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be able to you know, they
could flip Fred van Fleet for and some

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of their picks for someone else who
fits better with MAXI So yeah, I

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like the pic. Jack, even
if you don't agree. The fact that

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Maxie's in the discussion just reiterates getting
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best, just like value of this
is like the path like between twenty nineteen

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and twenty twenty three, just because
you might be, okay, greatest of

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all time, but with the number
one pick, you kind of expect that

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outcome Like number twenty one, Tyres. Maxie was such a fucking steal.

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the Joel and be there and Philly, Like, I think he would have

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requested the trade by now if they
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All right, Joey, are you
ready to give us pick number five?

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I am, but hold on,
hold on, I'm gonna I'm getting a

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call here from Joe lacap How are
you. What do you think about this

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pick? You want to take James
Wiseman. I still believe. I mean,

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I'm gonna I think I'm not gonna
take that. I'm gonna take I'm

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gonna I'm gonna take John Morant over
James wising So I think you guys already

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made the argument for me. This
isn't very difficult. But it's really a

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shame that Joe Laco doesn't agree.
But yeah, they're gonna lose Lenovo ball

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here in this exercise for sure.
So this is just like the most no

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brainer pick of the whole thing.
I just I mean, I think that

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I think that bit should have gone
number one. Forget the players. I

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don't know where you're doing this.
This is great you also, I'm not

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gonna be able to talk for the
rest of the podcast. You also have

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thank you, okay, well for
the Orlando Magic. I mean, I

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really like what I've seen from Paolo
ban Caro, and it just feels like,

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why not just let him stay on
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him. There. There's a lot
of arguments here. There's several guys who

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could be like you have Chet,
Yeah, Scottie Barnes, Maybe who else

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do you guys consider here? If
you have the six pick that I think

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Polo would be the way to go. Yeah. I think even for me,

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who I'm anchored to having to say
no matter what, that Jaylen Williams

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is better than Paolo, who I
do have one spot ahead of him.

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I think that's reasonable, just because
like I think you mentioned, you mentioned

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Chet, you mentioned Zion and Barnes. Those are the only guys I'd really

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seriously consider there. Anybody got anybody
else? Barn This was the one that

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I so Palo was similar on my
board, I would get hung up between

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him and Scottie Barnes. I like
that Joey took him because I do feel

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that Palo ben Caro's ceiling is just
so underrated because the magic refused to surround

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him with actual spacing, and that
just buddies like the fact that he's as

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good as he is, and he's
been working within dog shit, not even

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spacing, but like around dog shit
shooting, and look, casep's gonna help.

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I don't know if it's gonna get
much better next season, because they

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didn't get that hot like, they
didn't get someone who sets the table for

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others. They didn't get someone who
takes jumpers off the dribble. They didn't

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even get Casep's not a super high
volume guy either, And so you're betting

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just the fact that his step back
started to fall last year. I think

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he's better on defense than a lot
of people give him credit for. And

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he just has so many counters on
the offensive ends who actually work within that

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shitty like half court offensive environment.
I honestly wonder had you put like even

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league average shooters around him. Are
we just talking about Ben Carroll before we're

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talking about John Morant or Tyree Maxi
or maybe like I might put him on

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the same level tari As Halbert.
And that's how much I believe in in

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this kid, just because the circumstances
in Orlando have been offensively just not well,

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we're never gonna know, because Joey
just put him back on the magic

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they have KCP. Now maybe yeah, we hope, I mean probably are

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gonna lose Jalen Suggs. And it's
actually so as well, so they actually

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might have to have more shooting in
the backward now. Jalen Zugs was like

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their best shooter last year. Yeah, okay, they're also gonna lose from

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out their space. Ye. Pick
number seven goes to j Well. I'm

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glad to see Zion didn't go to
a city with the night lights, because

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that might have been disastrous. But
I think I'm gonna put Zion in Portland.

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I know all the arguments against him. I know his health is very

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questionable, but the ceiling is just
too tantalizing for me to pass up.

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I just think, like, if
he ever gets it together, he's just

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he can be a singular talent.
And I know it's not looking likely at

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this point, but you know,
on the off chance that it does come

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together, I want to I want
to have a shot at that. So

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Zion at seven. Where does Zion
go if injuries aren't a factor, if

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we just remove those from the equation, I don't think any lower than four?

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Probably Yeah he go three? Yeah
right yeah. Like that game against

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the Lakers and the plane was just
like the oh my god, this is

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this is what we've all been waiting
for. And then of course he got

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hurt. But like he the flashes
that he's shown, like his upside is

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nearly unmatched. It's just like,
can you be betting on him, but

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especially at number seven here, I
think it's a worthwhile gamble. What is

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the downside for him aside from the
injuries and like when he goes to Dallas

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just the roster building stuff, right, it's all the New Orleans stuff where

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it's like, well, you have
a primary ball handler that is not your

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typical primary ball handler size or position. You have to find a ton of

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shooting around him. You have to
compensate for him on defense. It's kind

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of the I don't know, it's
it's it's not. He's super talented,

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obviously, and I do think he's
the He's probably the last guy on the

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list where you'd say, I think
he can be the best, like our

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number one option slash best player on
a team that wins really big like everybody

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maybe with some exceptions, I think
he's maybe the last guy there. But

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yeah, it's not easy to build
around him. But that's fine in Portland,

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just because you do have a ton
of guards, most of a couple

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of whom can shoot, and you've
got a million centers. Maybe one of

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them will. Yeah, yeah,
So yeah, he's just not he's not

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the cleanest, you know, he's
not the most plug and play guy,

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I guess is what I'd say,
Grant, you are on the clock at

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what pick are we up to eight? Yeah? We're at eight. Uh,

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potentially his pick for a veteran.
Yeah, I would like I'm back

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at this and several future first tour
Orlando for do they still have Vucevic?

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So I can just agree. So
this guy's fifth on my board, and

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I'm gonna take chet Holmgren. I
feel like maybe that's higher than some people

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had him. But I just think
one Chicago now has a center that,

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like a modern player that they can
really truly build around, can help them

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be, you know, potentially great
on both ends, just like there aren't

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bigs that can potentially win Defensive Player
of the Year, could potentially shoot forty

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percent on decent volume from three,
and can handle like he's just he really

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is pretty close to a unique player. And I think what we saw last

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year in which he played all eighty
two games after missing the rookie season,

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so I'm not super worried about the
foot anymore, that he was very durable.

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I just think he brings so much
at a position where he does all

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the normal center stuff and then he
does a million things that you don't get

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from centers. So I just think
as a building block, it's hard to

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do a lot better than that at
number eight. I don't have an issue

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with that. I think that maybe
for some people it might be tough for

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them to envision like woes Chet Holmgren
look like outside of you know, if

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he has to generate more of his
own offense or be responsible for more of

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the offense, and my point would
be, I think he'll look great.

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That's why I'm excited that they got
rid of Josh Giddeon. They brought in

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guys, none of whom dominate the
ball like in Alex Cruce Isaia Harterstein,

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and so I think they're going to
increase his ball handling responsibilities, especially in

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lineups that have only one of Sga
or Jalen Williams. So I'm excited to

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see that. And I don't feel
like I think you probably could have made

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a case for him like a pick
or two earlier. Honestly, in my

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opinion, I don't know if anyone
disagrees with that. Yeah, I mean,

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I had him ninth on my board, but that isn't like a reflection

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of him being bad. It's just
a really good players you've got drafted in

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the last five years. And no, I think it's a completely defensible pick

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here, and I have no issue
with the great I certainly didn't want him

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to leave the thunder that I stuck
him in their spot at number fourteen when

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we first threw up. I do
think, like what I if I were

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arguing against it, I'd say,
you probably, if there are still any

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left, want to be taking a
guy who can be your primary ball handler,

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like shot creator, and that's not
really what he is, So you

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know, I think that's it's fair
if you've got him lower. But I

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just I wasn't gonna let him get
past there, especially Chicago's such a fit

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for him. I think the foot
injury too, like missing his first year,

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that might be something that could like
prohibit some people from taking him this

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next pick at number nine, unless
anyone is further Chet Holmgren thoughts for the

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Hawks, I have, Scotty Barnes, I think that you're speaking of someone

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who could be an offensive hub.
I think he showed a lot of growth

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as a playmaker as a multi level
scorer last year. I've said this like

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eighty times to Grant, had he
met the games played threshold, he would

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have been my most improved player pick, including for some of the work he

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did on defense. He probably has
more strides to go there. We have

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to ask, Okay, is the
outside shooting reel. I think it's more

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real than not, even if you
think that, you know, the first

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half year when he's hitting this pull
up jumpers, in the second half year

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when he's not really hitting them,
even if you have questions about that,

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I like the I guess the cross
the bordness of his skill set right now

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to where, Okay, will he
ever be a dominant player at X,

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I don't know, but he could
be a second tier like he could be

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an All Star level player in all
these different areas that I don't know that

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I need him to be an All
NBA or MVP type candidate in one area

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of the game, and so I
would be excited. I mean, with

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Trey Young in Atlanta, that gets
a little iffy, but maybe we can

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trade him to San Antonio and get
some of our picks back and just thild

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around Dottie and I guess Jalen Johnson
could go in this draft, like I

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think Scott he's also shown that he
could he could play next to Trey Young,

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like he's someone you could use as
a screener or just as like the

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second side ball handler. Two.
So I like his valuability. Again,

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he's not as plug and play as
a jet Holm Grin. But if you're

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going to get the offensive creation,
I think it's okay to say always like

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sort of scalable, I'll roll the
dice there then, yeah, I mean,

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and he gives you a good backstop
in case you do trade tray,

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like you will still have some sort
of primary ball handler playmaker without Jeantey Murray

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now, and so it gives you
that sort of like backstop in case you

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want your picks back. But you
also don't want to be you know,

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the twenty twenty one Detroit Pistons.
So we've yet to have like anyone try

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to override anybody yet where it's like
no, like that guy's way too high.

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It's gonna come later. Yeah,
it's the last ten and they're going

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to be very difficult. Can I
ask a question then, because I did

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think about this, I thought about
taking Lamello. Would there have been pushed

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back there? I would have pushed
back pretty hard, I think, oh

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yeah, but I don't listen to
you, so I'm asking. Yeah,

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I think from anyone whose opinion you
value, LaMelo would have been a totally

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fair pick. I mean it all
comes down to shot creating, and I

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mean that's one of the most important
skills. Obviously Scotty Barnes does some of

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that, but Lamela Law does a
ton of that. So in my opinion,

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at least it would have been defensible. Yeah, well, Joe Lacob

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would have called you on that one
him after that one is speaking of Joe

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Lacob, like, is there a
way to get LaMelo in touch with like

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Steph's ankle guy because that happen.
Well, I mean that's that That would

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have been part of my pushback,
is like in addition to some other stuff

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like how this is two years now
that work, I mean we should probably

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wait to talk Steph Curry start of
his career and then yelled at you for

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like would you not take step in
this because of his Well you can check

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the archives. It's at least ten
years old. But I did write about

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00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,880
how I'm not sure about if if
this is the right risk for Award Calculus.

405
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,799
When they signed Steph year fifty five
or whatever. I think I called

406
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:04,160
it an overpay when it happened.
Pretty much this is why it's good that

407
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:08,640
old br articles are like so irreparably
broken you can't even find them on the

408
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,359
day. I definitely have some some
strong Evan Turner take back in the time

409
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:19,000
I've never seen the light of day. I still look good. Oh,

410
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:23,160
just gonna say I called the Alan
Crab contract in twenty sixteen a bargain.

411
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,839
I still look back at that stepp
thing and think, like made some good

412
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,160
points there, but this is still
ultimately just like the worst take I've probably

413
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,160
ever had. I do like that
we found a way to turn Scottie Barnes's

414
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:45,599
pick into we wound up at Steph
Curry and Alan Crab and all right,

415
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,519
we'll get us back on track at
number ten And damn, frankly, this

416
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,279
might be the first time I generate
pushback, or any of us generate pushback.

417
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,519
And you guys have taken nine of
the top ten on my board and

418
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,400
number Frankly, this guy, I
think I'm just way higher on him than

419
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:07,720
consensus. But Alpa and Shangun would
be my pick in terms of best player

420
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,559
available now This is weird because Cleveland
is definitely going to lose Evan Mobley,

421
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,240
is very likely going to lose Darius
Garland as well, and so all they

422
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,960
have left is Donovan, Mitchell and
Jared Allen of their Big four. I

423
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,799
do not think if we have concerns
about the Mobley Alan Paring, I think

424
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:33,000
the Shanggun Allan Paring would be even
worse. So this would require a follow

425
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:38,880
up move, presumably you know,
the oft rumored Alan plus Lavert for brandon

426
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:45,680
Ingram or something of that ILK.
But if I'm just like, yeah,

427
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,160
well, you know, losing Garland
and Mobley is going to probably a gree

428
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,880
it either way. But I don't
know. I mean, I just maybe

429
00:29:53,920 --> 00:30:00,720
I'm just Nikola Jokic killed and after
seeing him and what a big asking center

430
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:06,359
can do for your entire offense,
like shang Gun, I think is probably

431
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:11,440
the closest thing to that, With
all due respect, bonus out there in

432
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,839
Sacramento. So I'm at least gonna
throw his name out there. But I

433
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,720
am very open to push back on
this pick because of the specifically because of

434
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,640
the Walkie fit in Cleveland. I
don't know, I think it's a better

435
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,759
player I'll go ahead, no oh
no, if you have a hotter take,

436
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,960
do you think he's the best player
available? I think as a best

437
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,079
player available, he's justifiable. But
I will say like I would have definitely

438
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,920
taken LaMelo bet On La Melow Balls
upside over Shang Huns. But I mean

439
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,880
the stuff he did last year was
absolutely nasty, and he's probably a little

440
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,240
bit more. I know people got
caught up and now the Rockets played without

441
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,519
him, they kind of again their
hot streak with him, and so there's

442
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:49,519
I think it's easier to build an
offense where to me, I view it

443
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:53,480
this way. I find it harder
to build an offense around domas the bonis

444
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,920
than I would around Aparain Shangun.
I think that there are more either you

445
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,680
have to cater mortar bonus of strengths
on the offensive end and then on the

446
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,440
defensive end. I think that's a
bonus is just a weaker defender, whereas

447
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,440
like Shanghun still has some of the
like position, like the spatial awareness.

448
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,039
I think he has down a little
bit better than the bonus. I mean,

449
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,640
I'm trying to like, I think
as the best player available, it's

450
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,480
like we're still in a situation where
you could take five or six guys and

451
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,559
it would be hard. I just
can't decide how much I care about fit

452
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,240
at this like it should should you
know that maybe that's ultimately where it is

453
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:32,839
and the fit is weird, But
like, there are a lot of teams

454
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:34,799
where the fit would be weird if
they have a normal center that's half decent

455
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400
at all. It's strange, like
he just has to play center. I

456
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,920
don't know, can I can I
give some names that I have above him

457
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,559
just on my informal board and see
if anybody wants to like chomp with those

458
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,079
so's. I'll leave Jaleen William doubt
he is above him, but I recognize

459
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:56,200
I'm not a rational person about him. I have Mobiley above Shang Doon just

460
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,160
on my big board, so that
like you know, and then Kid Cunningham,

461
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,559
LaMelo Dan, and then I actually
have Desmond Bain. I could probably

462
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,599
convinced that Desmond Baine does not belong
there. But does anybody jump at any

463
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,400
of those as like, oh,
he's clearly better than Shanguon, because I'm

464
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,960
not sure I do. No,
you're saying that Shangun is clearly better than

465
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,240
them, rather No, I have
those guys that are above him on my

466
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:20,240
board, but it's in like a
negotiable range. It's not like a drop

467
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,519
off like there was after Halliburton at
three for example. I mean, I

468
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,799
have LaMelo Is like in that department
for me, and then Jay dub and

469
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:29,880
even I think Desmond Bain and I'm
just such a believer in kid. But

470
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880
when you're like kind of basing this
off track record a little bit, yeah,

471
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,799
I just I have not waited as
much fit Like I have fun talking

472
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,519
about the fit of shanggon On what
this roster would be, but when I'm

473
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,440
actually making the pick, I'm I'm
just trying to take the best player that's

474
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,359
there. But we're in I think
you phrased it best like super negotiable territory

475
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,480
at this point. Yeah. Plus, what he's got to have been just

476
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,720
not I'm not looking it up,
but like Shanguon must have been closer to

477
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,799
an All Star nod than any of
the guys we just talked about for various

478
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,839
reasons, but just last year,
like his number are ridiculous. I don't

479
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,960
think I can talk you out of
it. Brian, Ultimately, you did

480
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:07,480
put him, manage to put him
on a team with even worse space,

481
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:14,640
and though Mitchell's gonna carry, it's
gonna be you know what we're gonna We're

482
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:20,039
gonna turn Alan and into some mythical
floor space and maybe we'll just get Lorie

483
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:25,400
Marketing back. Maybe we'll just that'd
be perfect. Actually all right, Well,

484
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,640
if no one has any severe objections, I will stick with Shango and

485
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:37,519
a tom. I'm back on the
clock with Sacramento at eleven. And this

486
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,039
is like the opposite problem because they
won't lose Boxes twenty seventeen, so the

487
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,759
bonus was before this as well.
They won't lose tomorrow obviously. Keegan Murray,

488
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,839
I guess, is the one guy
Ye'll just draft him and get the

489
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,119
band together makes too. Yeah,
I don't think of going that route,

490
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:59,680
with all due respect to Murray.
Maybe on my next pick, but I

491
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:05,000
won't be the Sacramento oh man.
I mean, I think I'd be torn

492
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:10,719
between Mobile and Jadab here, but
I know Jadab is not making it back

493
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,239
to me if I would like to
grant so, I mean, I actually

494
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:24,199
like the theoretical fit of Box Jadab, Damara Bonis, and Malik Monk,

495
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:30,559
like just go all in on offense. But Jadub can also, okay,

496
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,480
the one semi impactful defender in that
lineup, so I would lean toward him

497
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480
because the mobile is the bonus that
just breaks my brain and not a good

498
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:49,000
way. Mobiles under Rosen is super
brain breaking too and would be the worst

499
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,880
space. It would be like the
most nineties ass team. And I feel

500
00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:00,239
like my feelings are known on this
issue, you know, I I think

501
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,159
you should take if you were going
for fit, though, do you think

502
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,559
you should have skewed towards someone who
is more of a capslock shooter like a

503
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:13,960
Desert may Ban than Jalen Williams.
I'm just if I'm saying if he was

504
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,920
accounting for Fit in Sacramento, Yeah, well, I mean, yeah,

505
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,079
it doesn't mean Bane's a better shooter, but like Jadab shot like forty three

506
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:25,119
percent year. Yeah, and like
I think positionally like his he's just bigger

507
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:31,360
than Bain. So like, big
surprise of making the Jadab case. It's

508
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,239
done. Yeah, I I you
know, when I'm picking these guys,

509
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,360
I'm mostly focused on BPA, but
I mean kind of fit as a tiebreaker,

510
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,239
so I totally hate Like, yeah, Bain would have been great,

511
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,559
but I think the two way upside
of Jay Dobb is hard to turn down.

512
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Joey j Any like pushback there or
you you with it? No,

513
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:01,360
I think grants his enthusiasm, and
Jada is infectious. So I could do

514
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:07,639
another twenty minutes if you want time. Uh, that puts me on the

515
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:12,559
board at number twelve. I want
to take Evan Mobley just because Gobert and

516
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,719
call Anthony Towns and Evan Mobley and
not like we just we could run all

517
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,519
centers and those would be great.
Uh. They got Luca Garzer back too,

518
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,920
right, so we could just play
love two shooters even in that lineup.

519
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,599
And Mobley is tempting in a vacuum. I'm not picking him spoiler alert,

520
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,280
I'm gonna do I'm gonna I'm gonna
ride for a guy here in a

521
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,840
second. But Mobley's intriguing because he
did shoot like forty when he comes back

522
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,199
from that in on of the break
threes. The volume was low under two

523
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,800
attempts per game, and he didn't
up the volume in the playoffs and his

524
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,119
efficiency plummeted, and like that's the
aspect of his game. And I think

525
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,760
even if he's playing as the center, you still want him to develop that

526
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,719
just to make him more versatile if
he's not going to have the ball or

527
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,199
than someone. Okay, you can
get him going downhill to the basket,

528
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,000
that's fine, but that's prided on. You need some winter spacing around him

529
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,639
where it can mobly be some of
the floor spacing creator himself. I am

530
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,320
gonna go with LaMelo ball, though
I think his passing is transcendent. I

531
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,800
think we're talking about you know,
does the gas pedal you kids his targets

532
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,599
in his car? I honestly don't
know. I hope not. But so

533
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,280
there is off court stuff that you
have to worry about, and there's the

534
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,039
injury stuff. Of course we already
talked about it. I'm just betting on

535
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:23,719
give me this bigger dude who is
standing between There was an argument in our

536
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,840
discord, not argument, but debate
whether he's like six' five or sixty

537
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,760
seven. He's somewhere between sixty five
or sixty seven. And so to have

538
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,039
that size for someone who's running your
offense, and who, by the way,

539
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,440
is a great fit alongside Anthony Edwards
and just this roster in general.

540
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,280
He can be disruptive defensively and just
like the passing, like it'd be nice

541
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,719
he's get to the basket more,
but it'd be nice he could finish better.

542
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,800
I just the passing, half court, full court, whatever he's doing.

543
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,760
He's to me, he's, you
know, an angelic pastor, Like

544
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,960
he's just celestial when it comes to
that stuff. So I'm gonna roll the

545
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,400
dice here on those ankles of his
holding up long term. I'm not sure

546
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,880
the Morning Talks can handle LeVar and
Ant in the same room. But I

547
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,719
did have to remind you guys that
poor Anthony Edwards is now not on the

548
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:20,079
team anymore, and this hypothetically about
that they need LaMelo even more nowtering my

549
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,960
decision. I really appreciate it,
all right. I feel good about this.

550
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,599
Uh at thirteen for Indiana, I
think it has to be Evan Mobley.

551
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:36,719
I understand the disagrees. The Mobiley
Turner front line, like I guess,

552
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,920
is just a really oversized three.
Not worried because I think Mobiley can

553
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,960
guard any three that you put in
front of him, so defensively that's fine.

554
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,800
And just like big picture Indiana,
which unfortunately did lose Tyre's Halbert and

555
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,480
so maybe their whole identity changes,
it's still a team that can't guard,

556
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,000
so I just think Mobiley is pretty
clearly the best defender UH left on the

557
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,960
board, so it has to be
him, and we're just gonna worry about,

558
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:07,039
like, can we really play you
know, three essentially bigs together.

559
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,320
I think it. I think it
works partly because of the spacing you get

560
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,000
from Miles Turner, so I think
I think you know. I'm open to

561
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:21,239
arguments, but I think the fit
there is pretty good. I would love

562
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,719
to see that in action, because
I have no idea whether it would be

563
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,840
super effective. We're sort of just
like a car crash theory where you can't

564
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,199
live away and it is really bad, but I want to find out.

565
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,519
So I respect the decision and I
would support it. That is a tepid

566
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,800
endorsement. I feel like, isn't
he clearly the like who would be your

567
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,800
other best player available candidates? Right
here? Does that have Mobily like lower

568
00:39:43,079 --> 00:39:46,880
than this? No? He was
mine? I mean franscid, I guess.

569
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:52,199
And if you're worried about Indiana losing
Haliburton and needing a point guard,

570
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,360
that's one thing, but you could
also be banking on I mean, Andrew

571
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Lempard is not guaranteed to be picked
in this and you could to be willing

572
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,760
to turn it over to him.
Also, Miles Turner is no stranger to

573
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,679
the trade block, So if you
end up moving Miles Turner, who's on

574
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,519
the nineteen point nine million dollar expiring
contract, like actually Siaka Mobley as a

575
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,480
you know, the long term front
court pairing, I think could be very

576
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:25,159
interesting together. Jay, you're on
the clock at number fourteen, rounding out

577
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,400
the lottery here, Well, we
have okay see. I think this is

578
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:34,840
maybe the first time that team need
is really going to play into the decision,

579
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:42,320
just because home runs elsewhere now and
you know, okay See is pretty

580
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,639
stacked. So I think I'm gonna
go with Franz Wagner to kind of replace

581
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,800
some of those front court minutes and
you know, some of that scoring.

582
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,199
But I'm open to chriss in there. I know we still have Kate on

583
00:40:54,239 --> 00:41:00,280
the board. You know who else
would be? You know, we got

584
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,239
doesn't in Vain. I mean,
but I think Franz kind of fills that

585
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,159
front court void, even though you
know, not exactly the same skill set

586
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,400
as Chet. You know, we
also lost Jadub as well, So I

587
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,320
mean I think that there's the argument
there, like two big boys in the

588
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,519
front court. Yeah, it's tough, like because this so far, this

589
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,039
the Thunder have been uh robbed more
players than anybody else. So like this

590
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,400
new version of them is tricky.
I think because you've still got SGA here,

591
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:35,480
You've got lou Dort for the moment, probably you're gonna have him,

592
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,599
so like you kind of have a
clean slate a little bit. Yeah,

593
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:42,159
I think this is almost the best
player available right Like, just because they've

594
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,000
lost two of their three best guys, I don't think a lot of best

595
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,920
guy. You know, Caid doesn't
really make sense next to s GA.

596
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:54,159
I don't think same with like a
Manuel quickly would be another each other,

597
00:41:54,519 --> 00:42:00,679
Like the Thunder just lost their second
best creator and there's no Josh Giddy like

598
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,360
breakout coming in. So we're just
banking on Case and Wallace assuming I'm assuming

599
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,840
he won't go in this exercise.
But what about band Ban doesn't overlap with

600
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,199
SGA at all, But he doesn't
give you the I mean he's I guess

601
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,159
kind of undersized. Yeah, I
don't know. Franz is pretty solid.

602
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:22,840
I think, Yeah, good pick
Joey. You were up at number fifteen.

603
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,159
I am, and you know the
Pelicans have lost ion in this exercise,

604
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,360
so I would love to take a
big guy, but it just doesn't

605
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,800
feel like there's like a good center
option here, like probably for me,

606
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,519
Lively would be the first name,
and I just feel like that's a lot

607
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:43,400
pretty early for fifteen. So this
might I might try to do something like

608
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,880
move to Jonte Murray to shooting guard
and move CJ. Mccollin to the bench

609
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,519
and try to get a point here
because I don't know what else to do,

610
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,480
and I think the highest upside is
Kay Cunningham. But I'm totally willing

611
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,440
to you know, anyone have any
other thoughts to let me know. I

612
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,280
love that pick that. I think
that's pretty clearly it's that's a good one.

613
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:06,000
Well, talking about it for another
minute so that I can think about

614
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,039
my next bat. Anyone have liked
Yeah, I mean the fit, like,

615
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:12,400
that's a really good fit. And
then you're just super huge, I

616
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,199
guess because you've lost Zion here,
so there's not going to be overlap with

617
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,840
trying to get ball handling. I
think that that's even if you didn't think

618
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,519
Henning was the best player. Like
that fit right now I think is super

619
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,239
intriguing. I had him at twelve. He was my best guy left.

620
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,880
I think like a decent margin,
So I think, yeah, you're you're

621
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,119
covering it from every direction by putting
him there. Yep. I'm just happy

622
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:40,239
that my we're fifteen picks in and
the top fifteen guys on our list are

623
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:46,719
going, so at least we are
according to my needs to be more contentious

624
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,880
though, So I'm going to throw
my next pick and someone that I know

625
00:43:51,039 --> 00:44:00,519
you all will disagree with Garrett No, Ducee McBride. That is okay.

626
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,480
So sixteen it is the Raptors.
They've lost Scottie Barnes, so this is

627
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:09,760
like a really wide open pick and
I think it's just truly best player available,

628
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,440
and that could go a couple of
ways, but it might. It

629
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:22,280
might be Desmond Bane if they don't
lose quickly, that would be nice,

630
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,199
so they would have like a point
guard or a combo guard there. But

631
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,920
yeah, again, more so than
any pick I've had so far, like

632
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,280
totally willing to hear people out and
change the pick. I think it is

633
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,639
Bane. He's the highest. He's
my best player left. I guess maybe

634
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,719
like do we talk about Darius Garland
if we assume they're going to lose quickly.

635
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,119
Like that might be a little deep
on the board for some people,

636
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,639
But that's the only other one I'd
really think about. I wouldn't I personally

637
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:53,920
would think about Devin Vessel, but
I would still take Babe. Well,

638
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:01,000
then that seems like a good enough
Let's go with Bane there. Jay,

639
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,440
please take care of my Knicks at
number seventeen. Oh man, well,

640
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,880
I don't know if I can handle
the pressure here. But so the Knicks

641
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:15,639
have not lost anybody, which you
know, it's good for me, But

642
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,199
I don't know what that says about
their drafting over the last few years.

643
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:28,159
But man, I just nothing clearly
stands out to me. I mean,

644
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,960
you have Garland, but you don't
necessarily need a ball handler. We have

645
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:38,320
feeling fronts and still there. You
know, I think I don't know,

646
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,599
Brandon Miller might be blocked a little
bit. We have quickly on the board.

647
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,920
Go back to New York. Very
open to suggestions here, but I

648
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:57,639
think I might go quickly. But
bringing back back, I got a lot

649
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,760
of guys that everyone I go down. It's just like, I don't know

650
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,960
what it's the the nixt time I
lost anybody like you said, and so

651
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,599
it's like, well, these guys
are all weird fits or duplicative or whatever.

652
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:13,639
Dan chime in for Knicks needs here, like they got to get another

653
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,480
big right, Like I mean,
if you're just going with player, you

654
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:21,039
know, roster deficiencies, they got. Hardenstein's gone, Mitchell Robinson can't say

655
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,440
healthy, So do we think centers? And then if you're doing that,

656
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,039
you're reaching pretty deep down the list, I'd say. So the two players

657
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,159
I thought of was in keeping with
the theme of to Unseen Jay's Celtics.

658
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,119
Devon Vesselle would just make a lot
of sense of having Mchal Bridges, o

659
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,440
Geobi and Devin Bassell's just ridiculous.
Even though Devonzel is not a great defender,

660
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,159
if he's all of a sudden like
your third or fourth most important defender,

661
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,440
it's a different story. The guy
that I did think about here was

662
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,599
Jabari Smith. I don't think Tims
would use him properly and he would be

663
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,360
more to fined like this was his
pick. He Derek Lively would be on

664
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,079
this team right now. I think
that's pretty clear. So you could go

665
00:46:55,199 --> 00:47:00,480
that route, but I do think
best player available to me, there's a

666
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:02,480
better debate to be had where if
you went to quickly route the vessel,

667
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:06,800
it would be a perimeter player versus
a if we could have a debate about

668
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,960
it. But I don't think that
I could take from a pure talent and

669
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:15,480
a vacuum standpoint Jabari Smith or Derek
Lively right here, I don't know.

670
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,440
I mean, your argument is kind
of leaning toward the cell at this point.

671
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,360
I mean, especially since they don't
necessarily need him to be you know,

672
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,039
the there a one a two defender, so nice hee take too,

673
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,960
Devin Vassell. I mean, Julius
Randall's still there. But if you're looking

674
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,119
for if you think you might move
rand or you're gonna lose him because of

675
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:36,760
the like you don't sign him to
an extension and you trade him. Or

676
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,239
if you just think, okay,
we want our third best shot creator and

677
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,360
we have McHale Bridges. Devin Vassell
is better at that than McHale Bridges.

678
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,599
He's not the same level of passer, he's not the same level of cutter,

679
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,719
he's not the same level of defender, but he is better at getting

680
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,119
to his spot coming around ball screens, and that's someone you know they probably

681
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:57,559
would prefer to I think quickly.
Could you could argue might be the better

682
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,400
fit is like the actual point guard
type and what he does defensively at the

683
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,159
point of attack. But that would
be my spicy take if you were considering

684
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,199
pivoting, is that he beat Rogs, Michael Bridges and the shot creator packing

685
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,400
order for me go ahead. No, I was gonna say, and you

686
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,800
know, as my co GM and
in honor of you calling me a sociopath

687
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,280
the other day, which I greatly
appreciate it, I think I'm gonna pivot

688
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,840
and uh the South, I dig
it. That would be. That'd be

689
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:34,079
a fun perimeter trio right Visell,
Bridges and og Absolutely tough grant, What

690
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:37,599
were you gonna say? I was
gonna just try to complicate it by throwing

691
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,679
out like, well, do we
want lower usage guys like a Trey Murphy

692
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:43,920
or something like that, or do
you want to go Nick Claxton if you're

693
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,159
still thinking about how do we get
some big man minutes covered? The other

694
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,320
thing is like we haven't really reached
into the I'm trying to look at the

695
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,000
list now. Most of these guys
are from some of the earlier draft classes.

696
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,400
Other than like Chet and Wemby.
So I'm waiting for someone to take

697
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,920
like the pure upside play of someone
that's had like just their rookie year,

698
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:07,440
and let's go, I really don't
want. I don't want, Okay,

699
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,039
so we're going to have to talk
through this one. So I have the

700
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:17,800
Warriors here at eighteen, Grant Brand
just reminding you on the board. Unfortunately,

701
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,599
there's also another Warrior on the board
that I could irrationally take a little

702
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:27,880
high if you Minga. That's where
that's where this podcast will end. We

703
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,239
need this to be more interesting because
I'm willing to do it. Uh,

704
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,760
Darius Garland's my best player available.
That makes no sense, so like we

705
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,199
can't take him technically. Brandon Miller
is next, and I'm kind of warming

706
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,840
to the idea of him because if
the issue with the Warriors is they don't

707
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,800
Now I'm not ruling out Kaminga because
I'm not allowed to do that contractually.

708
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,960
They don't have a guy that's like, there's your second star. I think

709
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,360
Brandon Miller based on his rookie year, Like I remember, like part of

710
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,760
one of the knocks on him was
that it's like, well he feels kind

711
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,840
of like a second star to me, and he outplayed that as a rookie.

712
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,360
But if that's the floor, then
that kind of like fits a little

713
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,159
bit here, and mixed with the
fact that he is the second best guy

714
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,199
I have on my board, I'm
leaning Brandon Miller, but I would love

715
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,239
to hear other nominations here. Well, if you took Trey Murphy, it

716
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,519
would make me not have to regret
the moody over Murphy on Draft day.

717
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,320
I'm still living in a world of
the Warriors have a one percent chance of

718
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,639
winning it all next year, which
is about one percent too high. And

719
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,440
I don't want you to take Brandon
Miller and have to wait two a few

720
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,039
years before he is who he is. But from like a non Warrior perspective,

721
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,039
it makes a ton of sense because
they really do need like a guy

722
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,440
who's going to lead the next era. And I don't know if Kaminga is

723
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,320
that, you know, I think
Brandon Miller would be a better top option

724
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,440
in a few years. So anyway, I kind of support it, and

725
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,440
I kind of don't. Yeah,
so that is a good no that you

726
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,920
raised the point I didn't really think
about, like who's the guy that is

727
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,159
the best player tomorrow? You know, Brandon Miller might be the best pick

728
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,440
here in three years, But who's
the guy if they're saying we're trying to

729
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,480
still build the best possible contender around
Steph, is there someone that's older,

730
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,079
that's maybe more topped out that would
would justify being taken here? Like is

731
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,800
it like Herb Jones? Like,
I don't know, that doesn't I'm trying

732
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,760
to think of me the door.
Jayden McDaniels, I don't. If you're

733
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,440
trying to still cake in upside,
maybe it's Jaden McDaniels, but I don't

734
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,320
know that if you go with Brandon
Miller, and maybe if you went with

735
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,480
this is again doesn't fit into the
motif that you were just trying to outline.

736
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:35,880
But if you were looking to kind
of get that second someone who might

737
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:40,159
hit stardom or quasi stardom or Steph
is still there, like maybe Jabari,

738
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,880
I don't, Yeah, Jalen Green, maybe I feel like that could be

739
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,559
disastrous. Now. I think I
think Jabari is interesting because he would solve

740
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:51,719
a lot of problems they have where
you get some spacing from a big guy

741
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,079
that can guard. I don't know. I'm still leaning Miller, even though

742
00:51:55,119 --> 00:52:00,880
it does like what this will be
the third timeline if we if I I

743
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,199
think, just for novelty's sake,
I'm going to do Brandon Miller at eighteen,

744
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,239
which leaves me at nineteen for the
Nets who just have nothing at this

745
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,599
point. So I go whatever route
I want. I think my best player,

746
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,119
like in a vacuum right now is
Darius Garland, and so I think

747
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,599
I have to go that route.
They need a point guard of the future

748
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,920
anyway, So this ends up fitting
and he is also someone I don't think

749
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,840
we saw it as often this past
season, but Cleveland was so stop and

750
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,599
start with their availability at the top
when you look at the injuries to like

751
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:36,400
everybody in their top four, basically
that this might actually end up You know,

752
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,119
if we circle back and like evaluated
these results in a year, two

753
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:44,000
years, three years, it might
look egregious that he dropped all the way

754
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:46,119
to nineteen, even if you're doing
best player available or fit. So he

755
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,360
is pretty scalable as a as a
point guard type, but in this situation

756
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,239
he gets to run the show,
which per reports, while he's willing to

757
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,679
stay in Cleveland, probably because he
has no leverage and his trade value bottomed

758
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:01,320
out like he's we've seen and make
an All Star game in that in that

759
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,880
type of role. Yeah, he
goes like five, six, seven spots

760
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,360
higher for doing this, you know, based on where his reputation was a

761
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,360
year ago. I think just the
injuries to start this season threw it off

762
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,199
track and like pretty pretty solid value
there. He was definitely the best player

763
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:24,119
I had left too. I'm mad
that no one else is mad. I

764
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,119
wish you could have taken Brandon Miller
there because brooklyns to you know, you

765
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:35,960
know, rebuild, but then instead
granted saying the Warriors are rebuilders. So

766
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,840
that's quite apart loud with that.
Well, as the owner of the next

767
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,559
two picks, with the Grizzlies and
Jazz, I am mad that you took

768
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,639
Garland because I was hoping he fell
to one of them. Because the Grizzlies,

769
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:53,039
having lost John Morant, desperately need
a point guard now. They also

770
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:06,199
doesn't main so their backcourt is Marcus
Smart and and and Eric gig Jackson's got

771
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:12,480
so I think I'm going I'm leading
toward Emmanuel quickly here. He's the best

772
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,239
player and got left on my board, and I think he'd fill a huge

773
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:21,920
positional need for them, so,
barring any drastic objections, flocking in quickly

774
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,079
with the Grizzlies number twenty Yeah,
no problem with that. I think that's

775
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,239
an excellent fit now too. And
look him and it's smart, kind of

776
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,960
nasty defensively right. So yeah,
you are now on the number twenty one

777
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:42,400
as well. Great? Yeah,
so Utah have they I don't think they've

778
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,440
actually lost anyone yet, No great
sign. Cool, Okay, we're still

779
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,840
trying to figure out the Loring marketing
thing. So honestly, like this is

780
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,880
probably the hardest team to do for
this entire exercise, because who knows what

781
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:00,800
direction they'll be going in in three
weeks, assuming that they keep marketing and

782
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:07,639
are looking for quote unquote a second
star. I think, you know,

783
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,559
like Jabari Smith, I think there's
too much positional Overlaps and Keek and Murray.

784
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:15,559
I know we've seen marketing play the
three in Cleveland especially, but I'd

785
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:22,400
probably look for either a wing or
a guard here. And I'm a very

786
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,639
big believer in Jalen Johnson, but
I think the guy on the board who's

787
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,599
left, who still has that like
could be a star upside, even if

788
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,960
the floor is probably lower than Utah
would like, is Jalen Green? And

789
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,800
maybe I'm just buying into the Mickey
Mouse march that he just had, but

790
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,119
but you know, it just sounds
like Utah is hunting for we need someone

791
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:52,599
else who can be this primary option
and have marketing get bumped down a peg,

792
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,119
and like, I just don't see
that for really. I mean,

793
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,599
you know, a lot of these
other guys left on the board, a

794
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,679
great players, great complimentary fits,
but I think Jalen Green is the only

795
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:12,039
one left arguably with that type of
the ceiling. I like the logic,

796
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,519
it's hard to argue. I think
that's right. It's just like the I

797
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:22,079
probably of the last Yeah, I
feel right. Man. Can I ask

798
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,679
why is it? And I'm not
saying anyone here views it differently? Why

799
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,199
was it different this year that he
had a good run towards the end of

800
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,119
the season when that's just been his
m oh? Is it? Like?

801
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:35,719
Why is this time different than the
other two? Is it just because they

802
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,159
were watching the Rockets because they had
like bigger like names and Shane Gun was

803
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,039
playing well. I know he got
injured towards the end of the season.

804
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,519
I just I'm having trouble. Yeah, he had an incredible stretchers. Having

805
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:49,360
trouble wrapping my mind around why we're
buying into it now when this has just

806
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,039
been the trend for three years.
I get it's because I would probably several

807
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:57,880
of you guys know because you read
it. I cited it a million times.

808
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,519
They won, they were thirteen and
two like during I think it's March,

809
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,360
and that's coincides mostly with Green just
losing his mind as a scorer.

810
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,320
So like, that's to me,
that's the only difference. I don't know

811
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,840
how persuasive that should be, but
I think that's all it is, is

812
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:15,159
that his hot streak at the end
of the year coincided with team success.

813
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,199
Anyone anyone else? Is anyone else
a believer in jailing Green? Grant's like

814
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:27,639
a convert. I feel like,
like two thirds of the season and then

815
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,599
he converted towards the end. I'm
not saying you're doing this new now.

816
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:31,719
You were on it for a while. What was happening, but it was

817
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:36,440
one of your bigger about faces.
Yeah, well, I think like I

818
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,760
went from this guy has no chance
to be like a winning NBA player to

819
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:45,320
like, oh, actually I need
I think maybe now I view him more

820
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,119
like Brian described him of like it's
not a definite, but in terms of

821
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,800
upside, like his scoring ability is
there's nobody else left has has it,

822
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,360
Like that's just that's where we are
in the draft. Yeah, it makes

823
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,679
sense. That also makes sense for
me as a Warriors fan. And Jalen

824
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,719
Green shoots thirty three percent for the
first month and the DAWs are sixteen and

825
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,199
then they have to trademark, and
then I feel like, thank you,

826
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,480
Brian for that long game. You're
welcome. Yeah. To be clear,

827
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:15,880
I have not like sold on Jalen
Green. I recognize the floor the flower

828
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,920
for him, for like a Jalen
Johnson or even Trey Murphy. But this

829
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,400
is just purely a ceiling play because
the Jazz are just like the one place

830
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,440
they don't want to be in and
where they are right now where it's like

831
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,519
not even stuck in the middle.
They're stuck in like purgatory. And I

832
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,920
think Jalen Green forces their hand one
way or the other. Right there you

833
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,679
go a good way for I get
tanks and they trademarketed, and then you

834
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,840
know they've got Jordan pulled two point
zero on their heads. Yeah, I

835
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,199
just find it fascinating that someone who
watched Tobias Harris' floor over the past half

836
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,159
decade is like prepared to take someone
of low floors Jalen Green. So that

837
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Obias Harris didn't have a ceiling,
there's the difference. It was just low

838
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,559
floor, low ceiling. So the
akers around the clock at number twenty two,

839
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:06,400
I am primarily responsible for them.
My best player available is probably Denny

840
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,519
Avvia at this point, but I
don't love that they need someone like anyone

841
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,719
who qualifies as like a two way
wing or combo forward. But I want

842
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,920
a little bit more shooting, even
though he brings more ball handling. I'm

843
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,440
gonna go with Trey Murphy here.
I think just that motion shooting alongside or

844
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:27,159
surrounding lebron Nad and I'm assuming JJ
Redick let him operate in motion. You

845
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,719
know, maybe Brownie James will set
him up for a couple of assists on

846
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,559
his drives when he never really plays
during the season. But I love the

847
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:36,320
fit. I think he probably has
a ways to go. I think his

848
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,559
defensive reputations become a little overinflated at
this point, but I actually think that

849
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,599
his offensive skill set could be deeper, where people think of um ah,

850
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:45,800
he's taking ultra d threes and people
are setting them up like he's got some

851
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:50,519
just bizazz to him if you give
him a little bit of space on the

852
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:54,320
ball. And so if the Lakers
do decide to trade Dangel Russell, that's

853
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,239
someone who can maybe pick up some
of the like just not set even secondary

854
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:04,800
but just like tershy ball handling responsibilities. Yeah, I like that one.

855
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:08,079
Do you think since it's the Lakers, they would be they might have been

856
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,400
the Jalen Green spot, which,
like, are they hunting for the guy

857
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,320
that could be the third star because
that's not Murphy. But I think Murphy's

858
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:20,559
probably the most sensible fit. Yeah. I mean it might be Jalen Johnson

859
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,679
if they're like we need the most
star upside, I thought about him too,

860
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:27,199
because I love Jalen Johnson or even
nas Reed alongside Anthony Davis, but

861
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,320
this just means shooting so badly.
So Trey Murphy just feels like if we're

862
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,559
going, if we're considering fit at
all, I think you could make a

863
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:37,920
case you want to that, oh
he'll have a better career than Danny Avdia

864
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,719
or Jane McDaniels or like Jabari Smith
was tempting. I'm I'm in the bag

865
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,840
for Jabari Smith and but like he
could play next to a d and Lebron.

866
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,800
But it's just I'm trying to like
I have to wait fit a little

867
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,119
bit. It seems like based off
how this podcast is going, sure,

868
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:57,440
well yeah, all right, okay, there's nothing further on Trey Murphy.

869
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:01,960
I have Dallas at twenty three,
so uh, they haven't lost anybody,

870
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,599
but they will probably lose Derek Lively, which makes it semi reasonable to just

871
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:09,400
take him here. I don't know
how exciting that is. He's not this

872
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:14,280
high on my board, but if
you as well, Dallas made the finals,

873
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,079
so should we just keep that team
together? Like, there's a decent

874
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:21,480
arguments we made that you just have
Lively come back, But I kind of

875
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:27,480
want Derek Jones replacement that this version
has Klay Thompson. So the shooting is

876
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,920
semi solved. Maybe, But let
me ask you, guys, of the

877
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,400
following players, who is the highest
on your board. I'm like looking at

878
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,519
a type here, Jalen Johnson,
Herb Jones, Jonathan Kaminga, Jabari Smith,

879
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,360
Like, Who's who do you have
highest? Out of those guys,

880
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:47,440
I have Jabari the highest, Okay, anybody have something else? I have

881
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:54,960
Jalen Johnson the highest and Ji second. Damn. So nobody has Jonathan kaminga

882
01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:00,039
highest, is what I'm hearing.
I would love to have it about him.

883
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,000
If you just want to take him, so go ahead. No,

884
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,719
I don't think I can do that. I mean, if I'm going by

885
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,480
my board, I should. So. I think it is between Johnson and

886
01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:15,599
uh and Jabbari. Man, that's
tough. We've only had one like great

887
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:22,039
year from Johnson. Jabari's had two
solid ones. I think the defensive upsides

888
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:28,079
higher with Jabari probably and maybe,
but other than that, like Johnson's got

889
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,159
a lot of advantages on him.
Is kind of like what if Maxi Kleeba

890
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,440
was still good? Yeah, right, Like and he can get his own

891
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,760
a little bit if you need.
That's the other thing. No scenario on

892
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,400
Dallas. Do we need someone that
can individually shot create just because Luca and

893
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:47,880
Kyrie like, that's issue handled.
So I think probably, I don't know,

894
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,320
I'm gonna go Jabbari, but it's
really close with him and Jalen Johnson,

895
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,000
I think, And if I were
allowed to be as biased as I

896
01:02:55,159 --> 01:03:01,559
want to be Johnathan Kamenica Jabari is
bigger too. So if you're thinking like

897
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:07,559
lab threats for Luca, Jabari is
probably more in that, especially if home

898
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:12,760
run fit that you just made,
well, like Brian, you're about to

899
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,679
say, you're we're about to say, Brian, if you lose Lively like

900
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,480
Jabbari makes some sense, yeah,
And I mean there's a chance that you

901
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,559
lose like daffer is technically eligible for
this draft as well, but you're like,

902
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,760
you're probably not gonna lose both of
them at this point. I mean

903
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,280
there's only you know, seven pick
seven, and I think, yeah,

904
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,880
so like I you know, I
think you'll have at least one of them.

905
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,960
And then you know, if you're
looking for this guy could fill in

906
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,599
as a front court replacement if I
do lose one of them. Whereas you

907
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:45,320
know, they just double down like
they have Clay Nagie Marshall now in a

908
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,880
wing. Yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. This

909
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,440
team with Dallas is huge. Now
if you're you're talking like, well,

910
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:57,719
if gonna lose Lively, but if
you have Smith and Luca and PJ.

911
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,800
Washington and Clay is still like big
for a win, like there's an interesting

912
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,639
team. We're getting into the territory
where these teams aren't losing a lot of

913
01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,559
guys because they're they've been good.
They don't have a lot of young players,

914
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:10,679
so all these teams are going to
seem unfairly improved from here on.

915
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,280
I think, yeah, we're just
stacking teams here. But the next one

916
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:20,119
is actually in uh, you know, their timeline is kind of at an

917
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,639
end. With Miami, Jimmy Butler's
thirty four. You know, he's going

918
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:30,360
into the last year guaranteed, the
year of his contract, so I think,

919
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,400
you know, it's tough. I
mean, BAM's twenty seven and it's

920
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,239
probably going to be his team soon, so it's not necessarily like they need

921
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,039
to go into full rebuild mode soon. And we're with Jimmy and Tow we're

922
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:48,719
still looking at, you know,
a win now player. So I am

923
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:54,159
not necessarily looking for upside here.
But that's not to say I'm you know,

924
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,159
averse to it. But given the
conversation, I mean, I don't

925
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:02,199
know, I could see Jalen Johnson
there. I'm kind of leading toward there,

926
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,639
but I you know, I'm still
having nightmares about Dark Lively. I'm

927
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:12,280
not sure in his lobs from last
year, but I'm not sure, you

928
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:17,519
know, with Bam in the front
court, you know, I you know,

929
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:23,320
I just I'm I'm looking probably towards
uh, Jalen Johnson. I think

930
01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:28,400
just as the top guy left on
the board for me. He's my best

931
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:34,880
non warrior available. Can take a
lot. Yeah, and the fit like

932
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,480
he shot threes well enough last year
where it's you you you stick him next

933
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:42,880
to Bam and I think that's still
that can work on on offense too,

934
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,840
And he just brings all these different
dynamics when you're looking at the stuff he

935
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,480
could do in the open floor.
He's got some ball handling, some counters

936
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:51,079
going downhill and if he gets better
defensively, which I assume he will,

937
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:56,920
and just Miami's I'm not going to
say culture Miami system under coach Alex b

938
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,599
Ulstra, like that's I wouldn't rule
out Miami be like well to play Jalen

939
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:02,159
Johnson at the five when BAM's catching
a breather, and that'd be something I

940
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:10,960
would absolutely watch. Yeah, Okay, Joey for two here jo Yeah.

941
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:17,400
Well, I'm a little surprised Jalen
Suggs hasn't been taken and I absolutely love

942
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:20,719
him and I wouldn't want him to
be a Clipper because he's in the same

943
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,480
division as me. But I think
I just don't understand how he just I

944
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,119
mean, obviously he gets to play
great defense, while James Harden just doesn't

945
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,199
play any defense. You kind of
need a guy like him, So I

946
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,000
just think it's an obvious pick.
Yeah, I like that one, especially

947
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:40,360
after losing PG and whatever is going
on with Kawhi. Was he booted off

948
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,559
team? He would say, because
he was injured? Was he actually injured?

949
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,800
I just don't. So you lose
Paul George Gui is always a question

950
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,480
mark, Like, just get someone
in there who can like capslock check people

951
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,239
on defense. Yeah. I like
he was on my rightarf for my next

952
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,880
pick. So I like that one. For twenty six with the Suns,

953
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:02,440
I would just love to get Derek
Lively. Man, would that make the

954
01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:05,559
sound scary? I Mean, the
biggest problem with them right now is they

955
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:10,239
just don't I mean, whenever Nurkic
has to defend anything on the perimeter,

956
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:15,599
it's a disaster. They you know, It's an interesting one because they could

957
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:18,280
also use like a wing defender,
and there's several on the board that could

958
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,639
be taken, so I could be
talked out of it. But I just

959
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:27,079
the idea of lively blocking all these
shots and just dominating down low, and

960
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,199
the fact that he's just so young
and honestly probably should have got taken already

961
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,679
based on that alone, I just, yeah, it seems like a good

962
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:41,840
pick. Coach, budg just orgasm
defense. Yeah, you just solved our

963
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,280
defense with one guy. Basically,
Yeah, number six ers. Can you

964
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,559
make the wrong pick just to make
Brian I rate? That'd be great.

965
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:53,679
It's crazy, you know, I'm
ending up with you know, I had

966
01:07:53,719 --> 01:08:00,320
the Knicks and the Sixers. I
wish Ben Simmons was in this school because

967
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:10,400
Botage we're down at you know,
we're down at twenty seven, so and

968
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:16,039
you know, the Sixers have a
clear big three here Maxig indeed, so

969
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,680
right, you know, I keep
forgetting the exercise we're in, of course,

970
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:26,439
and I took them too, so
that kind of does change things for

971
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,319
me. So I don't know if
there is any you know, ball handle,

972
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:36,239
like reliable hand or left at this
or you know, they're just gonna

973
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:41,680
have to sign someone off the free
agent heat ten day contract. It until

974
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:48,319
they solve it. But because the
guard's list here is looking pretty thin.

975
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:57,880
I mean, I was originally thinking
our Jones just to kind of round out

976
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:04,680
that wing for the Sixers, but
you know, Maxi's departures is really for

977
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:11,279
me for a loop, I guess, I mean, I might have to

978
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:15,359
go nem Hard just because we need
something in the backboard now. And he

979
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,920
was a killer in the playoffs.
He looked like he's just kind of like

980
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,920
he's taking that next step, and
I think, you know, given the

981
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,239
players left, I think he could
really have some a lot of upside left.

982
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,520
So we'll go nem Hard for Brian
Sixers. I did my best for

983
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:38,760
you, Brian. I'm intrigued.
I'm intrigued. Yeah, I mean,

984
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,319
I like Kegan Murray the top guy
left on my board, but I don't

985
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,560
know fit wise if he makes a
ton of sense, especially give the other

986
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,439
additions they made this offseason. When
you said Herb Jones lastly, my hero

987
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:56,159
is worked up because like he's the
only other like Keegan, and then Herb

988
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:00,479
is the number two guy on my
board, and like the defensive potent of

989
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,720
Paul George and Herb Jones together,
you know, especially what we did recently

990
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:10,039
with the Beat the Celtics project,
like a couple of you guys basically just

991
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:13,680
assembled a bunch of wings together,
and it kind of seemed like that was

992
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,079
the real life sixer strategy. But
now add Herb Jones to the mix,

993
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,439
and you know, you stay have
a pretty good chance of making life hell

994
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:26,039
on both the Celtics and the Knicks, who are probably the two biggest threats

995
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,720
to Billy this year. So that's
tough. I mean, I could be

996
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,520
swayed either way, but I think, yeah, them Hard or Jones would

997
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:40,520
be my pick. There. Commenters
will hate you. I think that people

998
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,800
who listen to podcasts will love you. I love I love that fit after

999
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,199
losing MAXI yeah, you got to
get a ball handler, right, Like,

1000
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,399
It's just I don't know, I
don't know, I don't know who

1001
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:56,399
else you would even. I mean
Kobe White, that's like the other night

1002
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,239
I thought of, yeah being able
to like kind of have him in the

1003
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,359
I'll call him the mini like Alex
Caruso role, but he's also a ball

1004
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:09,159
handler, like a real ball handler. At the other end, I really

1005
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:14,600
like this pic JA, I love
the Yeah, I agree a fit.

1006
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:24,399
I have Denver here and like you
lose case you So I wish I could

1007
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,039
extract a promise from you guys that
someone will take Jonathan Kminga or pause at

1008
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:31,119
some point. I'm not gonna take
either of him now. I just like

1009
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,960
I can't believe we're going to get
through this without either of them. But

1010
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:38,439
it has to be Herb Jones,
right, Like, just slot Herb Jones

1011
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,880
into casep's vacated shooting guard spot.
You get better defense, you get like

1012
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,239
at least recently comparable shooting. I
don't know that i'd say that's likely going

1013
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:51,920
forward, but that's just he's he's
maybe the most win now guy left.

1014
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:55,760
He's established, like we know what
he is. He's one of the best

1015
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,199
defenders in the league. Like,
that's just I don't know who else i'd

1016
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:02,680
even really seriously think about it other
than Herb. There, agreed, I

1017
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,199
think it would you have considered,
Like do you like him? Is there

1018
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:10,199
a chance Jane McDaniels would better for
this team? Yeah? I thought about

1019
01:12:10,279 --> 01:12:14,399
him. Like again, there's like
a clump there with even Keegan Murray too,

1020
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,760
Like you get the positions get weird
there because he can't he's not a

1021
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,680
two I guess McDaniels. Do you
feel okay about McDaniels on twos? I

1022
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:25,960
think Herb's a better defender than Jane
McDaniels, like by a pretty like small

1023
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:30,560
margin. They're both great, and
I just yeah, I don't know,

1024
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,039
I like I like Herb a little
better, I guess is what it comes

1025
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:34,840
down to. But McDaniels for sure
would be another you know, okay,

1026
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:41,800
he just replaces kcp uh. I'd
like to have a discussion about pick number

1027
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,800
twenty nine. I feel like Keegan
Murray would be the easiest play to fit

1028
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,279
in here, and it gives Boston
sort of that secondary another secondary wing,

1029
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:51,960
combo forward which they don't just have. Like if you replace Sam Howser's minutes

1030
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,800
with Keegan Murray, you're better.
They're a lot better. But I'm also

1031
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,880
just kind of wondering when you factor
in like the Porsingius injury and also the

1032
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,000
fact that they don't have this.
I know they have Drew, they have

1033
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,800
Derek White, they of him,
they don't have a capslock playmaker. Does

1034
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,000
it make sense to go with another
secondary playmaker who's also a combo forward in

1035
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:15,199
Denni Afdia. Those are the two
that I'm kind of grappling between my on

1036
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:18,399
my board, I have Danny Avdia
higher, Kinggan Murray feels like more of

1037
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,319
the okay, and Jane McDaniels.
I want someone with more ball skill.

1038
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:24,840
Yeah, you can slid me into
Boston. Their defense doesn't need them.

1039
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,680
So those are the two that I've
been hanging back and forth, and I

1040
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,720
was curious if anyone had any strong
thoughts as to which way I should be.

1041
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,640
I think those are the two.
I don't know who else you do,

1042
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,640
really, even I'm trying to find
another name to just make this harder

1043
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:46,560
on you. That the one other
guy I've got at least in my top

1044
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,239
thirty, and he will be under
consideration for the Bucks if you pass him

1045
01:13:51,279 --> 01:13:58,000
up here is kau If you're really
worried about the Porzingis injury and Courtford's age.

1046
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:02,319
I know the Celtics did just resign
all of their reserve centers basically,

1047
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,520
so maybe they're not super concerned about
that. But yeah, otherwise, I

1048
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:11,720
think Murray and Avia are the players
that I would crow it like Murray.

1049
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,079
I am Murray higher than Avia,
but I don't think you can go wrong

1050
01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:21,880
either way. Per se. I'm
gonna go with I'm just gonna go with

1051
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:28,039
Dan. I'm gonna go with Keegan
Murray. I think his offense is a

1052
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:30,760
hair more scalable. I think that
Denny's the better player in a vacuum.

1053
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,600
But Boston doesn't need better players.
It needs depth that fits into its structure.

1054
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,680
And look, they're the two highest
remaining players on my board anyway.

1055
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:41,359
That being said, Danny Aby has
been highest player on my board for a

1056
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:45,600
few picks now, So I'm gonna
sendle on Keegan Murray, who just anyone.

1057
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,399
I know you guys have noticed Bake. He just brings a lot more

1058
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,319
defensively than I think people realize at
this point after the year he had.

1059
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:55,800
And so yeah, the shooting's intriguing, but there's also just the defensivelopment there

1060
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,880
where you can kind of move him
across the two, three and the four.

1061
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:08,039
Our final pick. Misterk Well,
we just mentioned Denny, so he's

1062
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:12,840
in consideration. A conglu I think
is in consideration. Grant, I'll throw

1063
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,439
you a bone and lie and I'll
say, comengo. What about Jackson Davis?

1064
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,520
Yeah? Come on, men,
yet, come on, you know

1065
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,640
what, all these guys are under
consideration. Some might take a hold of

1066
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:30,319
more consideration than others. The brook
Lopez stuff is weird this offseason. It's

1067
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:35,479
just I'm surprised by how much brook
Lopez chatter there is, so that you

1068
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,920
know, that makes me wonder should
I go a conglu or like Nick Klaxton,

1069
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,600
Probably not Jalen Duran because the the
Bucks are very much in a win

1070
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:51,359
now window. So like that's what
makes me nervous even about I mean conglu

1071
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,960
for sure, because like he is
still more conceptual than actual. We just

1072
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:00,840
still like you see these flashes and
you can envision what he could become,

1073
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,479
but we haven't seen it full time. I guess you wouldn't have to do

1074
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,239
that in Milwaukee either, as long
as he kept brook Lopez. But how

1075
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,880
he would mesh with Bobby Portis is
at least a consideration. Part of me

1076
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:15,960
thinks, pass both of them and
just take lou Dort, like, just

1077
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:19,159
go for the best defenser left on
the board, and you know, cover

1078
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:24,920
up for Dane defensively that way.
I know they just signed Gary Trent Junior,

1079
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,279
and like, I think part of
the appeal was we can promise you

1080
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,159
the starting shooting guard role, which
might not be the case. We got

1081
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:33,880
lou Dort here, but then do
you have Gary joun Junior coming off the

1082
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:39,279
bench. So I don't know.
This is one where I like want to

1083
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:42,960
deviate because I don't think Loue Dort
is the best player available on the board,

1084
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:46,880
but for Milwaukee he might be the
best fit. So curious what you

1085
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,760
guys think here. To me,
it's him or McDaniels, those are the

1086
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,239
two. I think McDaniels was the
name for me that I was thinking of

1087
01:16:57,359 --> 01:17:00,079
for them, because you want more
of like just the general pop, whereas

1088
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,159
lou Dort's like kind of more physical, Yes, some of the pops.

1089
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:05,039
I don't think you's go wrong either
way, but it would be between those

1090
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:08,439
two for me. I guess you
have to feel you know, lou Dort

1091
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,119
will get up threes, whether or
not they go into a different story.

1092
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,720
Jade. McDaniels kind of he can
be both evils where it's low volume and

1093
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,119
low efficiency, but we've also seen
him be moderate volume, higher efficiency.

1094
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:31,119
Yeah, I mean, McDaniels gives
you insurance against Chris Middleton, who you

1095
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:33,479
think they were just running like a
buy one, get one and he was

1096
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:40,760
like, yeah, yeah, well
what about the idea that to your point,

1097
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,680
Brian about like what's what's up with
brook Lopez. If there's a future

1098
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,760
where the bucks are mostly are more
than they haven't in the past, Yannis

1099
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:51,119
at center, you could get away
with McDaniels at some four and maybe that's

1100
01:17:51,159 --> 01:17:54,920
his best position. I don't know
if Dort is. I don't feel as

1101
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,399
good about Dort. I mean,
he's gonna be stronger than whoever regards,

1102
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,720
but like it's gonna hurt your re
mounding like that kind of thing. McDaniel's

1103
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,000
size I think maybe might tip it. I don't know, but Dort,

1104
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:08,119
I guess maybe it depends on how
much you believe in Dort's shooting, because

1105
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:10,840
Dan's right, like he's gonna get
them up and if they fall at forty

1106
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,319
percent or like thirty eight percent,
but then you look at it and say,

1107
01:18:14,359 --> 01:18:16,800
well we have Gary Trent Junior and
Damian Lillard and Brook Lopez will stretch

1108
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,640
the floor as long as we're gonna
get up threes. I Grant's point about

1109
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,399
Jane McDaniel's size, which I didn't
even consider, is like Chris Middleton is

1110
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,239
the day facto for might make the
most sense, but like McDaniels can toggle.

1111
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:32,199
It feels like between a few more
existences than the dort Can and Trent

1112
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,760
and Lillard are not a big backcourt, Like that's pretty dr size. You

1113
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,720
might need to get some of that
back at a different position. Agreed.

1114
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,399
Okay, you guys talker mcgannis like
a collaboration. Oh you know the name.

1115
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,920
I didn't think, but maybe he
should should Tari heusedn't have been considered

1116
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,119
here. Isn't he mostly a four? Like a pure four? I don't

1117
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:58,760
know, I maybe, yeah,
I mean the defense is there. We're

1118
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,319
we're definitely skewing DEFs for the Bucks, that's for sure. Well, when

1119
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,640
you start Damian Lillard passedly, Gary
Trent, I think you kind of have

1120
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,359
to. Yeah, yeah, I
mean the cool thing about this exercise is

1121
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,560
that we got through thirty names and
there's still a ton of talent on the

1122
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,439
board. Like we've brought up a
number of them already, but we hadn't

1123
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,359
mentioned you know, Austin Reeves,
aaron Ne Smith, PJ. Washington,

1124
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:27,079
Cam Johnson, not read, Jalen
Duran, Like, you know, we

1125
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:30,680
could easily We're not going to to
be clear, but we easily could do

1126
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,159
a full second round of this and
still have you know a bunch of very

1127
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:38,600
good players available. Yeah, I
thought somebody might reach on one of the

1128
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,319
Thompson's, just like just on pure
upside, like who's well, maybe let's

1129
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:45,600
before I know, Jay, you
have an out. Who's the best player

1130
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,439
on your board that didn't get taken? Dan? Who? I'll just go

1131
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:54,079
around? Who did you have highest
that wasn't drafted in Jonathan Cominga No,

1132
01:19:55,159 --> 01:20:00,079
find no that that wasn't here.
It would be lou Dort for me,

1133
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,840
would be the highest on board it
wasn't drafted. What about you, Brian?

1134
01:20:04,319 --> 01:20:06,800
It was a conglu for me,
And that's really just a bet on

1135
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:13,720
the upside. Jay McDaniels, Okay, no he took him. Oh no,

1136
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,479
he did take him. Sorry,
Yeah, what about you, Joey?

1137
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,800
I'm sorry I had him as someone
took him. That's such a I

1138
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,239
apologize, Denny. I really failed
you. I had six picks to grab

1139
01:20:26,359 --> 01:20:30,359
you and I didn't. By uh. A couple of people on my board,

1140
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:36,279
Jordan Poole, Trade Fasting Jackson,
James Weisman. Oh that was I'm

1141
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:42,800
sorry. I got yeah, I
really Uh, I really like Kobe White

1142
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:47,319
one guy, so I had I
had four guys in my top thirty still

1143
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:50,760
there. Uh. Kuminga obviously was
my highest. He was at nineteen for

1144
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,279
me, no apologies, Uh black
than Kobe White, and then I did

1145
01:20:55,359 --> 01:20:59,079
have pods at thirty, but that's
a pure Homer pick. At least you're

1146
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:01,039
honest about it. Yeah, I
can't hide it anymore. It's been long

1147
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:04,439
enough. Who do you think before? Very quick before J goes who's the

1148
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,640
worst player that we took? And
it was clearly all right, like we

1149
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:15,920
went with the fit here rather than
just on the pure talent perspective. Okay,

1150
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:19,039
okay, so maybe like the biggest
reach because like I mean, the

1151
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:24,640
worst player has probably taken the last
three or four picks, but the biggest

1152
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,159
like reach based on fit might be
a different conversation, right, Yeah,

1153
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:32,840
I mean I think I make a
case for I took Brandon Miller. That

1154
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,359
was the one that stood out.
Yeah, yeah, to a team that's

1155
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,560
like we're trying to win today,
like we don't need a guy who's in

1156
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,319
his second season. But I just
I really was just going by my board

1157
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:45,279
more than anything there, and I
couldn't take Garland. I think Garland was

1158
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,279
Yeah, Garland was still there,
but that made no sense to me,

1159
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,319
for him to go to the Warriors, So ye'll nominate one of my own

1160
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:58,720
as a big reach there. I
mean, like, I know it doesn't

1161
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,600
make sense timelinewise, I think it
was the best player available and if you're

1162
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,319
looking for that bridge to the next
you know what the post Steph Aaron looks

1163
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:11,640
like. Think Grandon Miller probably had
the highest upside of Ranning. Plus the

1164
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,800
Warriors kept Kaminga and Pajemski, so
they just having of riches going for.

1165
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,279
This was loads of fun. Guys. Thank you for bringing this project to

1166
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:27,560
Brandt and I. But we will
reintroduce you in the outro when we actually

1167
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,199
recorded. I know j has to
goes, I want to let you go.

1168
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:30,600
But this was great and hopefully we'll
get to do more stuff like this

1169
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,960
again in the future. Absolutely appreciated
guys. Thanks well, that was a

1170
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:41,359
bunch of fun. Uh super agreeable
on allur We had like a couple of

1171
01:22:41,399 --> 01:22:45,359
the base I thought it was a
good, good exercise come vacillating between.

1172
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,079
The thing that I struggled with was
like, were we doing best player available

1173
01:22:47,119 --> 01:22:49,000
or are we fit and going?
So it seems like we had it was

1174
01:22:49,039 --> 01:22:53,039
like trying to juggle both and after
the first few picks, it got really

1175
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:56,800
tough to do that. Yeah,
I think that's just it mirrors how the

1176
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,840
actual draft goes. Right, You're
always in the real world, you're always

1177
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,640
like, well, is this guy's
better than this guy? But we need

1178
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,760
this, you know, and it's
there's I don't know that there's ever a

1179
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,279
right answer. So yeah, no
real shocks here, but I think,

1180
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,439
I mean, really, if anything, surprising amount of depth because there were

1181
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,239
a lot of good players we didn't
draft, and even some more we didn't

1182
01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:19,760
talk about. But yeah, I
had fun. I well I had fun

1183
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,279
until we finished it and no Warriors
were selected. But as you pointed out,

1184
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,399
both Pods and Kaminga are still warriors, and so the pick you made

1185
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,439
on behalf of the warriors looked a
little bit better. I guess it was

1186
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,520
all part of a grand plan to
help them emerge looking best from this exercise,

1187
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:40,079
anything else you want to add or
shall we call it? Let's call

1188
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:41,880
it? Are you ready to take
us out of here? Let's call it?

1189
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,439
Yeah? Thanks everyone, Thanks especially
to Brian Tojay to Joey. Awesome

1190
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,800
idea, fun to execute, good
to work together. Hopefully we'll get some

1191
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:54,319
more of those done in the future. Let us know what you thought.

1192
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,920
I mean, this is a very
comment and response worthy exercise. We did

1193
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:00,079
so point out the worst picks,
the best pick, who should have gone

1194
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:04,399
where, who was on drafted that
shouldn't have been all that stuff. You

1195
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:08,880
can do that by joining our discord, by making sure you're subscribed wherever you

1196
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,479
can get your podcasts. Check us
out on YouTube. Five k subscribers,

1197
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:15,560
level cleared, big excitement. I
know you've mentioned this, but thrown that

1198
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,960
out there too. Yeah, tell
your friends, tell your enemies, spread

1199
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,399
the word, let us know if
you like this idea, if you'd like

1200
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,159
see more, if you'd like see
less. Always open the input. But

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01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:28,880
yeah, that's going to do it. Fun draft. Thanks everybody. Shout

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out Franklin Lackina apologies, Jaredien