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things materialize here at the Lapse Fan Wrestling Podcast. It's key part of why
we've gone so strong and so long and so hard for almost a decade now,
and certainly TNH Total NonStop Hogan is no exception, you know, when
we came to the point in the journey where we realized that there is,
just, for some mysterious reason, an episode of Hogan's daughter's reality show,
Brooke Knows Best that seems to have completely vanished from the internet entirely. Just
all these folks proclaiming that they have the Torrent, with all the files that
you could ever need. Every single one of them had every episode of Brookno's
Best except season two, of course, there were only two seasons. Episode
ten Hulks Surgery, right, there are fingerprints of this episode all over the
Internet, so it's clear it existed. Certainly, I remember watching it when
I watched the show week to week when it first came out. But in
the context of TN, in the context of all the controversy we covered around
Hulk Hogan's back, getting it back on track, and the fact that he
sued the Laser Spine Institute for putting him through one too many paces. As
it regards a noninvasive or at least what is supposed to be a noninvasive back
procedure that's supposed to be one stop short of effusion, which of course is
a much more invasive surgery with much longer heel time. Yeah, it's just
it's just amazing how much of the sort of source of truth seemed to revolve
around this episode of this reality show that disappeared. And so, as always,
you know, we decried it out loud. We decried the lack of
access to what we wanted, what we needed. When when you tell children
they can't have something, you know how that goes exactly And well, I'll
let you take a fucking gas as to whether or not it finally was delivered
to the doorstep of the co chairs. I'll give you a guess as to
whether or not we have for you This week on TLF, the Lost episode
Hulk Surgery, Brooke knows best, I mean thoughts when this happened. I
mean yeah, I was just like, I was like, holy shit,
pretty much. I mean part of me was surprised it happened. So I
mean, let me move it this way. Yeah. I wasn't surprised at
all that we got access to this, not at all. I knew it
would happen at some point, that's it. I was surprised at how fast
it happened. Surprise, it happened at such a poetic moment, just as
we are putting those finishing touches and flourishes and really looking to bring home what
it is, if anything, we learn from doing TNHL year and suddenly Kurt,
you know who you are out there in the lapsed fan solar system messages
as messages us with basically a link and says something to the effect of t
H is over. When I say it's over, that's exactly fucking correct.
That's exactly fucking correct. So in a post post PostScript episode here, we're
going to finally put a bow on this thing, dude, and we're going
to take in what in fact aired on this long lost episode. I mean
there were exhibits filed in the Hull Coogan lawsuit against Laser Spine Institute where it's
just hours and hours of raw footage from the filming of this reality show because
it's just so germane to this case. I mean, there are reality television
show cameras in the doctor's offices, as we will see you depicted on this
episode. I mean not only that, but it's just like watching it and
I told you this, I told you this off the air like it was.
It's surreal. It's surreal watching these guys talk about the ship that was
described in the lawsuit. Right, Yeah, we read the entire Hull Coogan
deposition and halfway through TNH to give you a sense, because he starts undergoing
these laser spine treatments, which is essentially like a you try to burn off
the part of the spine that's inflamed and causing pressure on the nerve from what
I gathered, and that's supposed to be a way to you know, not
fix someone's spine like a whole Cogan who clearly had scoliosis, but uh,
to at least relieve the pain such that they can resume a normal life without
all the other risks that come with opening that back wide open. Dude.
Like you know, Hulk knows when people come at him, they come at
him wide open. But that doesn't mean he has to expose his back to
anybody, including a surgeon. So you mean you mean how long I'm gonna
now this surgery? I'm belly down, right, dude, Yeah brother,
I'm I'm I'm I'm face down dude, right brother, Because well, Terry,
we're actually we actually ordered a new apparatus because the science is evolving on
this and there's what do you what? What do you what? Brother?
Well, this is something we did want to get to in our consultation,
but we'll get to it now. You know, the science is evolving on
this, and some of the latest guidance around how best to preserve well rather
to conduct this procedure is to actually have the patient laying on his back and
actually have um sort of like a table that's been specifically tailored for this procedure
to have the opening underneath, so we actually almost like almost a mechanic goes
underneath a car that he's repairing at mine. A hold on, dude,
you're saying it was specifically tailored. Brother, that's right. Are you talking
Terry Taylor? Dude? Now, I'm not talking Terry Taylor. Who is
that? I mean, I talk to Terry Taylor. But what brother,
let's dial this thing in, dude. I thought that's what we've been doing.
Well, dude, I'm brother. I'm all about what you're talking about,
dude, except for this fact that you had Terry Taylor make you a
tailored table, brother, where I'm supposed to lie down on my back,
dude, or anything could happened. Brother, we're talking anything could happened,
dude, Well, I'm laying down on my back. Note you notice,
even in the heather Clem tape, I was never on my back. That's
not true. I think she did ride him. Brother, But you too,
I want to tell you, dude, even in the sex shape,
Brother, I know you've seen the sex shape. Dude. You saw that
my shoulders were up. Brother, Now what now done? Now? Doc?
Dude? All right, fine, I appreciate that this is the latest
in science and that this might make the procedure go that much more smoothly.
Can we talk about a way to just adjust it ever so slightly, brother,
so that at least one of my shoulders is elevated. Why, brother,
mister Balia, why would that be important to you? I don't understand.
Well, brother, See the problem is right here, dude. The
fact that you have to ask me that question, brother, tells me exactly
what con doctor you are. Dude. Right, you know I got the
hebe GEB's walking in here. Man, I came in here wide open,
dude, Dude. I mean I'm coming here, Brother, I'm laying it
out on the table. Dude, I'm saying, you know, a brother,
it's time to stop playing Hi to Tamali. Dude, it's time to
start playing. Let's see what's real deal? Brother, rizzled Gizzle, Dude,
hide the brother. I'm I'm not playing games, dude. All right,
man, I'm not playing shoots and ladders. Brother, I'm not shooting
anybody. Dude. Well what okay? I simply don't know how to respond
to that, sir, So you want us to respond to you, dude
as a human being. Brother, What are you, dude? Using lasers
and shit? Brother? What are you fucking George Lucas Man, the jizzl
Luke, the Jizlizzle. Brother, Yes, I am the Jizlizzle, Sir,
you would not be the first person to call me that, the jizz
Liziz. So so all right, well dude, what are you talking about?
Brother? You're bringing up Elizabeth? Dude, I mean she's been dead
for years. Brother, Why are you bringing up these sore subjects? Dude?
Did you perform laser spine treat than on Elizabeth? Brother? Brother,
did you fuck Elizabeth? I told you we shouldn't have taken this guy on
as a patient. He says under his breath to his attending brother. You've
got an attending dude, well, well I need an attending then, dude,
been tag team match. Brother, I'm gonna come at this thing wide
open. What are you attending? Dude? Exactly were you going? Brother?
Are you attending to the fact that I need my shoulder elevated off of
the gurning when the surgery is taking place? Brother? Up? Brother?
Have you are you? Why are you tanned anymore? Brother? Dude?
I want to know have you been? Brother? Why don't you been going
to a tanning booth? Dude? Well, you know, at my age,
Terry, I kind of felt it was the melanoma risk was a little
high. The melo never thought about skin cancer, Terry, all those years
in the tanning bed. I meant, it's a real concern. Brother,
But do and further to that, you know you want us to go through
all these jump through all these hoops to us to arrange the apparatus. Don't
you lay in your back in a tanning bed? What you're doing? Brother?
Don't you land laying your back in a tanning bed? You say,
Brother number one, Dude, I'm protected by the whole apparatus, dude,
So don't try to get fucking cute with me. Brother, you said,
skin cancer. Brother. Yes, Now I want you to do something here,
dude. What happens? You have skin cancer? Brother, and you
take away the C, the A and the C. What do you got
left? Brother? Hold on? This is gonna take me a minute.
The C, the A, and the C. Is that what you said?
I said, Brother? What do you got left? Skin cancer?
Take away the C, the A and the CEA Dude, what's left?
Brother? Their skinner? Dude, you've been talking to current dude. Yes,
he is from down He is from the Everglades, so I know that
he lives with the fucking gators. Man, What the fuck is going on?
Brother? Is Skinner getting a push? No, he's not getting a
push, mister Blay. We just invited him to sit in on the surgery
he was, brother, Dude, I want to know first to join carry
Taylor making ship. Brother. Now you get Skinner observing? Man, Like,
what are we doing? Brother? We're gonna observe the curve. Brother.
I'm not playing games, dude. I'm not playing eat the egg omelet.
Brother, I'm I'm not playing Let's walk the saitle? Dude? Did
you hold on? Did you say at thinking of the curvature of his spine?
Did you say observe the curve? Oh god, that is definitely the
title of this episode, because it is. It's a curveball, that's true,
and we have the episode, and like you said, it's surreal because
all, you know, these characters that we hear Hogan testifying about, and
all the lore that gets built up around all these back surgeries during his time
at TNA. You know, I'm looking back, I'm like, what Tenna
amounted to was a way to keep him paid while he completely repaired us back.
I know, I mean, he took the long way. I'm sure
he would have much preferred to have done something less involved and less you know,
numerous and voluminous. But still, I mean, most wrestlers, if
they have to be down this long, they kind of they kind of don't
have a wrestling contract. I mean, well it's not only w W will
will you know, pay you your downside guarantee while you're home recuperating from a
surgery. But not someone who's at the stage of their career that whole Cogan
was back in two thousand and nine, you know, like a legend or
whatever. They're not going to get get a million and a half to quote
unquote be part of a wrestling show while they're basically undergoing a back surgery every
two and a half months. But you know, fair play to him.
That's that, That's Whole Cogan's true gift at the end of the day is
finding a way to stay paid. And it's going to be lovely here because
this episode landing in our lap does give me a chance to dredge up some
of the stuff that I learned and researching Whole Cogan's lawsuit against Lazer's Fine Institute
that that didn't really fit into you know, the Tenhe journey, but fits
here perfectly. Because we meet all these characters, Boss, I ask you
to observe the very face of doctor Saint Thomas. I mean, bless the
man. I mean he might be a fine gentleman, but his face,
I mean, they're all very like all of the three doctors that we see
are very just are very uncomfortable. Why is that they just don't look like
they know what they're doing. They don't have to say that they don't.
They don't have faces that you trust. Yeah, if you gave me,
if you showed me their faces and told me they were back surgeons, and
you gave me three guesses as to which date they practiced in. I would
get Florida. I would, I would, I would see the outer state
of your mind? Now, is that doctor James Saint Louis or is that
Julian Assange. It's all here we meet all of our favorite characters, and
again a lot of depositions taken beyond hule Cogan's in that lawsuit that have a
lot to do with the filming of this episode, or at least this week.
Yeah, this episode and this reality show, and we touched on it
a bit. I mean, you know, Brooke testified as well, can't
believe anything it's on camera. But I have a hard time not doing that
now that we finally see this footage that has proven so elusive for so long.
Kind of funny. You can't believe every anything on camera except for the
ship that pertains to Hogan's back, right exactly. You can't believe anything on
camera except that which supports our case, right honey, how that works?
And there's some artful editing here. I still came away watching this episode dissatisfied
about what actually happened. I mean, not that I had high expectations in
that regard, of course, reality television shops and screws things up all the
time, of course. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, it's
like those little post production insert of of a sound bite that you don't see
the guy's mouth moving, but he said it, and they put it here,
and they probably, you know, slice off the first ten words in
the last twenty words he said and just throw it in there. And I
think in doctor Saint Louis's case, which is one of the doctors that performing
the laser spine treatment on Whole Coogan in the early days and is depicted on
this episode, sort of, I mean, let right from there. I'm
surprised he trusted anybody with the name of Saint Louis. And it's a concern.
I know he called Bob Orton before the surgery to get an idea what
this whole deal is about. Is he not worried that Harley Race is going
to pull some shit? Would be the first time he's worried about that.
I'm sure. Look, I'm sure when he learned that that was the guy's
name, he had questions, say much Nick brother, Like what brother,
what do you mean from Saint Louis? Dude, doctor from St. Louis
we're talking about brother. This is Larry Madison. Dude. I mean,
what are you trying to tell me? Brother? Are you trying to take
me to the checker dome? Dude? Is this like what's going on?
I think that's also a working title. And Marvin Gay once say what's going
on? Old Cogan turns that one on his head. Yea. And so
we see it all. And you know, we played around with the idea
that perhaps there's something uttered on this episode that that's legally sensitive. And in
light of what appears to have been a settlement between Whole Cogan and Laser Spine
Institute bringing that lawsuit to an end, it certainly didn't go to trial.
There wasn't like a judgment like there was in the Gawker case, with like
a jury rendering a verdict. Right, It just shows that it eventually was
was was settled, or at least the case was was term and add the
terms of the settlement are very rarely made public or filed in court, but
we can safely assume in news coverage at the time, which you know,
this didn't get a ton of coverage, but it did get some indicates that
there was a settlement. I'm sure Holk can put some money in his pocket
off this thing. I'd be willing to bet that. But he's got he's
got to spend this idea that he missed out on a huge bunch of money.
And this was, you know, the key to his testimony in terms
of the deposition, because he followed the advice to go down the laser spine
route instead of the full invasive fusion surgery. And so we have competing doctors
in this corner, doctor Juan Yaibay, who's the doctor the surgeon at Tampa
General who wants to do the fusion surgery and is depicted on this episode of
Brooknow's Best advising as much. And then suddenly help must go this different route
because there's a potential, you know, less invasive thing that's promising to relieve
the pain but not structurally necessarily fix his back. And that's doctor Saint Louis
over in this corner at the Laser Spine Institute. So I don't know,
it's like, you know, you it's sort of like you read about characters
and then you see them depicted for the first time, and it's it's weird.
It is weird. They don't quite look an act like you expected them
too, but they also totally look an act like you expected them too at
the same time. Ye, yep, And we have the privilege of being
able to do that weird you know, you know, knowing what they said
and seeing them say it after we read it. All right, it was
a very bizarre. It was very surreal. It was surreal because when they
said it, of course the circle, the consequences, the significance of it
was not clear. And when this air it was just, you know,
they thought it'd make an entertaining episode. I'm not even sure they knew this
would be the series finale, right, if they were talking about a season
three or not. It definitely doesn't end with that feeling that you'll never see
another episode of Brookno's best totally, yeah, for sure. And it's her
life. She can do anything. She can even walk out on the balcony
of her Miami condo and just let the breeze hit her in the face.
I mean, I'm inspired, She's she's just free, nothing's sent nothing standing
in her way. No just throwing her kids out here. We'll get to
that. What would that pound like is the question? Right? So falling
at the clod among other reasons. Terry sought medical attention back in two thousand
and nine. So this is all now before us, This is all now
discoverable to use a legal term. But again when it first came out,
when you know the significance of it, is totally different after you realize there's
a lawsuit and that every every little word ends up having legal significance, especially
when it comes to what the doctors told Hulks sitting in that exam room or
sitting in that consultation room. Right, what representations were made about what these
surgeries would in fact do for him are what are reasonable expectations? What can
we believe Hulkogan pretended he heard in that room versus what he could prove he
heard in that room. And again, hours and hours of raw footage from
this thing was part of the case. It was filed as an exhibit.
It's been destroyed since, but yeah, you know, per the typical rules
around getting rid of exhibits after a certain period of time. But it's hugely
significant to the whole idea of this stage of whole Cooken's life. This very
episode, the very filming of this episode, and all the things that were
said and done, so we're gonna have some fun here. Um, this
is a bonus. We didn't expect to be able to do this. I
guess, like you said, we kind of somewhere deep in the recesses of
our mind knew knew something like this would happen, because we always will things
like this into existence. But this one went down to the wire like none
other. I mean, seriously, I mean, I was, I was,
I was kind of I just kind of said it on like, okay,
you know what, it's just it's over, it's done. We're not
gonna get there right style, it'll be it'll be something we do in a
year or so. It was like the frame of mind I found myself in
when we got to the door of the Silver Dome and realized there was no
apparent means of you know, entrance yep, And so okay, now we
get it all right. Now we have to pretend that it's it's it's poetic
that we could never get in, and we have to make the episode about
that, and then WHOA, what's this? That's always what happens. Then
there's that little opening that presents itself that just says you're not going anywhere until
business is done. So let the final business of TNH commence here on tl
F. Now I want to start taking us back to something we did site
during some of the episodes, but now it has so much more significance.
This is an excerpt from a deposition that Brooke gave in the whole suit against
Laser Spine Institute, and it very much concerns her show and what we can
and can't deduce from the forthcoming deep dive. She's asked by a lawyer,
Okay, do you remember that you all met with doctor Uribay to talk about
a fusion procedure. I remember meeting with your Rebay, yes, she says,
okay, And do you remember anything he told you guys about having a
fusion procedure? I remember seeing X rays of my dad's back at Euribay's office,
okay, and it looked like Jenga. Things were sitting like this one
way and like this the other way. And your Rebay haadsgested getting a fusion.
Uh huh, because it would, you know, stabilize his back on
the recovery time with his health would probably be shorter than somebody else's. Do
you remember one of those doctors saying to y'all that there were risks involved in
a fusion procedure, and was your dad willing to undergo the risks? And
your dad asking, well, as what are the risks that I might not
walk again? In doctor Valet or doctor your eBay saying we can't guarantee the
results. We're dealing with nerves. Do you remember that conversation taking place?
Now? Boss, this is this is directly from the episode, right right
right, that's it's so amazing if you see the actual conversation, it exists
on tape actly. No, she says, I don't remember there being any
risk talk. A really, brooke, she didn't watch the episode clearly or
pretended she didn't or didn't remember it. No, I don't remember there being
any risk talk. I remember them saying it would probably benefit him. The
cage thing, the fusion that is the cage is you know a description of
the gear you got to put in someone's back in a fusion. And if
I showed you, the lawyer says, some of the footage from your show
memorializing that conversation, do you think that would refresh your recollection at all?
I love fusion, you know absolute confusion, Latin fusion. Isn't that what
a Hulk gate? Before he fucked Heather Clem Bike shout outs to Haystacks,
Um Denizen and Master and Maestro of the laps transcription service that we talked about
last week and continues to be available to you at lapstot Scribes at gmail dot
com. He was able to run down because we were like, what did
Hulk eat before having sex with Bubba's wife? Because we remembered him complaining about
having a full stomach remember that, and due to the transcript search, he
was able to quickly discern that it was in fact sashimi. Brother sashimi.
Oh like a pig. I had the shashimi. Smell it brother, No,
Hope, No, Hulk, that's my twat brother. H that's my
fucking twat brother. Do my come taste like sushi? Come on, reff,
get in there, Jesus Christ, have some class. I say,
my fucking twaters top my lungs, and then I going on you, I
mean looks so you're fucking smells like sushi? You know me just I just
passed along the facts. You get onto all that crazy make belief ship.
I'm just saying what she said just sound my ta? How does that the
sushi is that she sounded like? That completely transforms my sense of the of
the evening? How could you say she shave me that? How about the
ginger? How about the soy? I mean I haven't done? Oh?
How about the tobacco? How about the crab? How about the an aggie?
Aggie broke you with me? Aggi? You have you an Aggie within
me? Agi? Hooty slam dude, what are you talking about? Brother?
What? I'm just trying to get uncooked on the gimmick Terry So right,
I just kind of tripped up on Brooke saying that she does not remember
risks of the surgery being discussed, which you know is on the fucking television
show that ed in national television. Is we now can appreciate having seen the
episode? And so naturally the attorney bounces right back and says, well,
if I showed you some footage, you think that would refresh your recollection?
What do you think she says, as a daughter of Hull coke into that
question, and well, why do you think she would have a basis to
say no that even if I showed you fucking video of the doctor describing the
risks that that doesn't that that does not count because that's the TV show.
You know, that's not real. Does does a normal you know, well,
let's do a t at tena Italian that if Scott Bayo were to be
on the stand and he were to be questioned about something that clearly was recorded
on the reality show he was on, and he was presented with that in
court, do you think he would have the luxury as a non pro wrestler
to say, well, that's just performance. I somehow don't think he would
say that. I somehow think that's exclusively a privilege enjoyed by the carney that
is, the pro wrestler and his immediate family. Scott can get away with
it too, or didn't would go for it? No, he totally wouldn't
go again, No, no, no other person would be nearly as convincing
as a pro wrestler. That's right, in convincing in what way? Because
these guys, because you know what, these guys believe that that's the difference.
That's where it is. Because it's not like it's coming across as a
lie like I mean, Hogan, Every every chance Hogan gets he talks in
any of the depositions that we've seen, we've read, he talks about it
in terms of no, dude, this is just the way it is.
Brother. It's not like he and he never catches, like he never gets
caught. No, because I don't think lawyers are ready to deal with the
creature like this. I don't. I don't think they're I don't think.
I mean, honestly, there should be. There should be like almost when
when when you have to go when you're in a lawsuit against a pro wrestler,
they really should have some kind of a of a of a course or
something. Yeah, well we learned this way back in the Trial of his
life. That's what they should do, is they should listen to the trial
of his life and our archives because that's like the that's probably the speediest way
to get acquainted with the unique tool set a wrestler brings to the stand because
they can just say, you know, like, here's the thing. Because
their wrestler is the lawyer. Undoubtedly in the back of his mind, especially
the one on the other side, thinks that he can catch them in a
lie because they're fucking, you know, low rent carnies, right, But
here's here's the thing. Because they're low rent carnies. You can't catch them
in anything like and and not only it's not only that, but because their
low rent carnies who have been trained to lie for the majority of their life
at that point when they when they when they reach the stand, yeah,
like they actually that's how they make a living is to convince themselves there's something
something that didn't actually happen, happened, and to be able to live in
the skin of a person that that actually happened to And unlike lawyers who will
try to like finagle a way around it to kind of like rest was just
gonna lie to you flat out right and they're gonna believe it and they're not
going to give And unlike an actor where you can say this and you can
say, well, that was a role I played for two years, Hull
Cogan's role is the role of his lifetime. Right, there's no like,
there's no way to chop up the fictionalized part of his life and compartmentalize it
into just one moment like you could an actor or one you know, period
of their lives where they might method act and shit, Jim Carrey can become
Andy Kaufman. But he can't argue that he was Andy Kaufman with Andy Kaufman's
you know, Carney sensibilities before he ever did Man on the Moon, and
he can talk about how when he whenever he leaves the house, he's Andy
Kaufman. No, No, you can't even come close to saying something like
that. Wrestlers are unique in their ability to play that card. And again,
I swear because the lawyers, you know, don't take them seriously and
think they're fishing in a barrel in the first place. They are totally blindsided
when they go out there and realize that these guys are going to look you
riding the eye and say nothing is real. Yes, and you're gonna have
to grapple with that, isn't it. I don't think that's something an attorney
is equipped to deal with when it comes to a typical witness, because if
they can produce a piece of paper that says it happened, or video footage
that says it happened, that's pretty much that got you a moment, I
would think in any cross examination yep. But with a pro wrestaur it's like
you're not looking at the real person. When you watch that, it's like,
why the fuck. I just don't think if any other reality show was
introduced that way into evidence, this way into evidence, that that would be
that that excuse would fly with any run of the Male reality Star. But
it does with a pro wrestler. It's it's really I don't know, Hulk
has elevated that art whenever we see him in the legal context, be it,
you know, testifying against Vince in nineteen ninety four or here or anywhere
Gawker, It's just he plays cards nobody else on the planet Earth can play
to get his way in a court of law, so or at least avoid
you know, avoid negative outcomes in a court of law. So they ask
her, They say, Brook, you know, with this refresher recollection at
off, I showed you fucking tape of the doctor discussing risks with you.
Her response, It wouldn't matter even if you did, because if there's cameras
anywhere, we can have a real conversation behind the cameras. But once the
cameras are on, the producer is kind of telling us which way to take
it for TV. So it wouldn't be a valid way to recall what happened
in real life. Seeing isn't believing, folks. The lawyer says, if
the video show, doctor Valet specifically saying, we can't guarantee that there wouldn't
be nerve damage and paralysis, and that is a risk. Are you telling
the jury that that would be something the producer told him to say? The
doctor answer, if it was on TV, it's a very good chance the
producer probably told him to make it seem scarier than something might really be.
And so your testimony is similar to your dad's big surprise that anything in the
reality show really doesn't have any reality to it. Is that your testimony?
Oh yeah, aside from this table, if you put a mic on you
and a camera on you, you know, you have somebody or thirty people
standing behind the camera and they want to make it traumatic and gripping for TV.
It's not going to be real. Okay. This lawyer has no idea
what to say to this, no idea where to go now, because he
was going to pick apart every little thing in the footage and he was about
this totally off the table now. Ye, So the whole conversation he says
about your dad's back was not real sitting. I mean, there really wasn't
a plan to have that fusion that day. They were just making it seem
worse than it was. I'm sorry, which day the day you were meeting
with doctor Valley and your rebay where they said you need a fusion? Are
you saying that wasn't real? Oh? We had real conversations without the cameras
on. That didn't It wasn't the same conversation as when the cameras were on.
If that's what you're asking, right, that's right. The only thing
that's real is the thing that's not documented. Have you ever notice that boss
with pro wrestlers, The only thing that's real is the thing that was not
documented. Not amazing. It's all about what was unsaid or what was said,
you know, to give context to what the public the what the marks
were fed as documentary evidence of something having met. It's it's it's it's wrestling
with shadows exactly. Is that where you're gonna go, um no, But
I was just going to say too though. It's just this, it's this
lack of you know, it's this ability to create reasonable doubt. Yeah,
exactly, Yeah, reasonable doubt is reality. Like if you could build a
case that might not be what it appears to be. That means it wasn't
what it appears to be. Right, that's enough. Well, I'm trying
to get out, the lawyer says, you know, you say, I'm
trying to decide. Are you telling me that parts of the conversations you had
in front of the camera were real and other parts were not, or the
whole thing in front of the camera would have been made up? So what
I remember with no cameras in the room when we had a private conversation with
uribay him not speaking about risks. I do not remember him speaking about risk.
Okay, I know that if a camera was brought into the room,
there's a possibility that things could be scripted, yes, okay, for dramatic
effect. Have you ever had an under to go any kind of surgery procedure
yourself, ma'am, I've got a book job. Do you recall that was
not the answer I was expecting. Sorry, this happened. She said that.
She says that, and all of a sudden, his eyes are like
completely at her tits. I mean, she's performing, just like Hulk's performing.
When he's talking about the size of Hulk Hogan's dick in the Gawker trial.
It's the same thing. But I didn't have a boob job. Brooke
Hogan had a boob job. Right before you go too far down that road,
Brook Bala did not have breast augmentation. Further down of the conversation,
lawyer asks, Okay, and if the video taken of your TV show has
a conversation where they explain what the risks are as well as the benefits,
you're saying, if it happened, it only happened because the producers told them
to say those words. That's your testimony. Sorry, that was a long
sentence. She says, Wow, sure, he says. She says,
Basically, what I'm saying is, if the camera is rolling and it's reality
TV, there's a really good that it's probably being scripted or blown out of
proportion. Okay, So, so if there were cameras on us at your
rebase office, which I really don't remember, he's on the show like I
can love this is you imagine if someone made a reality show about you like
this and you don't remember, like the scene being depicted on one of the
episodes, or claiming you don't remember that the key fucking dramatic lynchpin of the
last episode of The Whole Thing, was you in your rebase office? I
mean, just just the fact that you can recall an image of him that's
on the television instead of in person, would tell you that, of course
it was on the show. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just
particularly observant, but I don't think I could never like forget that I saw
something on television as opposed to in real life. Do you know what I
mean? Yep? And I guess she's claiming she never watched it. I'm
just hard to believe. She does say later in the testimony that she never
saw, for example, the Finding Whole Cogen documentary on an E that we
talked a lot about during teenage. That's also important because he's been told basically
never to wrestle again. He's like, what about this? What about this?
So if there were cameras on us at a Reba's office, she says,
again, which I really don't remember, I would say anything and everything
is fake. Okay, The lawyer says, well, and again, and
she says when the cameras are rolling, of course, so this is her
leaving the house thing. Yes, of course she's only Terri Balia. He's
only Terriblea when he's in the house. When he leaves the house, he's
Hulkgan. And for her, she's only she's Brooke Bolea when the cameras aren't
rolling. When they are rolling, she's Brooke Hogan. Of course, nothing
from either world could ever inform what happens in the other one. There's no
crossover whatsoever. So he says the lawyer, how much is fake? I
mean, is your dad was a part of the show for some significant periods
of time where they were talking about some problems he was having. Was that
all fake? She says, Everything conversation that's on camera would not have been
had if there was not a camera there. That's right. But I mean
his medical condition was real, wasn't it. Oh, he definitely had back
problems, for sure. Okay, but we wouldn't have said most of the
things in any conversation that we've ever had on reality TV had a producer and
not been scripting it and making it gripping for the audience. Well maybe doctor
Volley and doctor Guibe, they might have been just telling you what they normally
would tell any patient. I don't know. She says they could have been,
but I don't know she's accusing them of performing okay, And I know
she says that our producer probably spoke to them as well as us. You
know, if there was a camera in the room, the producer is going
to instruct everybody on how to carry the conversation. This, by the way,
this applies to social media to me, like it's the same thing.
When you're posting, you're posting as if a producer is looking it over and
saying, how is this going to be? Most of course effective, dramatic,
right, especially people who live who make a living off engagement. You
know. So, now what my point is, there is no this is
every experience we have, and the more time we spend online, the more
we're basically not communicating our true thoughts, but rather communicating a produced version of
our own thoughts. But I mean, the lawyer says, you're speculating.
You don't know if the producer actually spoke to the doctors about it, right,
answer, I could give you a ninety nine point nine percent chance that
the producer spoke to the doctor. Yes, yes, No one's safe.
No one's safe. Everyone's a performer. Everyone must perform because the cardinal sin
in American life is to be boring. If you're boring, you might as
well just put an ether cloth up to your fucking face for twenty five minutes.
Okay, I'm doing it now. The Finding Whole Cogan documentary, I
haven't seen it, so I don't know what he's said on it, Okay.
And I'm asking you a hypothetical question that if your father said during the
show that he was very complimentary of the docs at Laser Spine, would you
be surprised to hear that. I would not be surprised to hear that my
dad said he skydived yesterday if it was on TV. Okay, because it's
TV. Okay, so we just shouldn't believe anything that we see on TV.
No, let's start this dive, shall we. That's just the fucking
greatest thing. So we start this episode of Brookno's Best with some outside shots,
some establishing shots. It's Brooks Dance Studio, we learn, because of
course, you know, she's getting her music career started. And if we're
going to be a young female artist, you have to have a fucking CrossFit
gym somewhere where people are exercising dancing for your stage show. This is apparently
part of the deal, I guess. I mean, I didn't even know
she owned a studio, and I'm not sure she owns it. Maybe she
does, Actually we don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you want
to play that both ways, Broke, We're gonna have fun with this.
But you know, you have to have like a big You can't just sing,
that would be ridiculous. You have to have like a thirty person ensemble
choreographic. Okay. But but here's the thing now, I don't know.
I'll be the first to say this. Okay, I don't know. I've
never done I've been to dance auditions. I've had to do dance auditions to
participate in them. I have never I've ever done it for a rock concert.
So I don't know if it's different for those. But I have never
seen anyone dress like these people did for a Damnce audition because you don't know
what you're doing. Normally, people wear clothes you wear to the gym,
Yeah, you know, you wear because who knows. Like there's so much
fucking cleavage in these shots. Interest like kids are going everywhere. It's just
like, again, I don't it could be this may be the way they
do it. Maybe they you know, obviously they get they get costumed up
for this. That's what I'm saying, because I mean, every every dance
audition I've ever been to, everyone is dressed in workout. You know,
clothes you can move in is what they always say when you come. Make
sure you wear clothes that you can move in, because it's you know.
But I'm like looking at close and I'm like, this is not this is
this is what you'd wear it for a performance, not for an audition.
But I suppose wearing again what I'm talking about wouldn't be attractive for the camera.
Yeah, yeah, backup dancers and a musical thing is especially a hip
hop thing because she was kind of going down to hip hop route at that
point. Again for the show, yes, but for an audition, right,
you don't know anything. It seems weird to me except for being on
TV. Why you would be wearing anything that kind of troublesome? But yeah,
you mightn't. I don't know. It might help you get cast if
they can see what you look like in suggestive clothing. Maybe it maybe gives
you an edge in the audition. I don't know. I maybe but just
seemed weird. There's a lot of this too, and like, um,
you know, dancing with the stars and stuff. I mean they're obviously doing
maybe there, maybe they're gonna fucking have you go, you know, do
a handstand and your fucking tits and cock off fucking come out. You know,
well, I think they. I don't think Glenn would have a problem
with the ladder. Meet Glenn. Oh god, Glen. Glenn is you
know, brooks gay friend. And he's the one that Hogan's like, are
you really good? Like how gay are you? In a scale of one
to ten? Brother, that's that one. Yeah. Um. And he
plays his role nicely and apparently he's the dance coordinator and choreographer for brooks professional
music career. So that's where we started the episode. And they're talking about
Glenn and Brooks's other friend, Ashley, her roommate. They're they're marveling at
how many people have come out to audition to be dancers for brooks big show
coming up. There's going to be a big performance in front of I think
I think he said ninety three thousand, right, She's gonna slam a seven
thousand pounds giant. I think it was ninety three people. I mean,
it's all there. They're doing the whole emphasize that forty thousand people are going
to be there. They're not there for her. She's part of a big
festival whatever it's called. We'll get the name of it here in a second
in Miami, where is it? It's um, Collie Ocho, oh the
show. Yeah, Big Chris Jericho, not to be confused with Chris Jericho
or the h or or the ESPN channel on a on a fucking movie Dodgeball
Brother ESPN eight the show. So, um, they're all preparing for this
and they're talking about how many people came out for the audition. Brooke needs
to narrow down to four boys and three girls and needless to say shows in
a week. They expect forty thousand people to see this this performance, and
uh, you know they mentioned that because Brooks Polk's daughter. You know,
if it wasn't a pro wrestler's daughter, they would say there's gonna be a
lot of people there. But they wouldn't specify forty thousand, right, They
wouldn't give a number. They wouldn't they wouldn't fucking you know, not only
wrestling people like think about that, like even musicians. I highly doubt any
musician could tell you, like their attendance record to the head right or even
to the fifth decimal Rotini, what's the gate going to be? Dude?
Right? Yeah, they probably tell you the gate. They can tell you
the hall. They get tell hemmuchs they took home? Really a gate because
it's you know, brother, what do you mean? Dude? It's the
same way that there wasn't a gate when you wrestled or doorf in front of
you know, fifty thousand people in Toronto and the six and people were there
for a fair. They weren't so much there to see wrestling. That's why
they were such a turnout. I've never had an affair? What an eighty?
What an affair? Eighty what? Brother? What do you know?
Like wait a minute, no, I'm not saying, did you brother?
What about eighty six? Dude? What do you who? You? Eighty
six? And dude exactly? Pretty sure to be sixteen nine and pretty soon
dude, yea brother exactly who brooke Um says that she thinks it's going to
be more than that. She says that she sees I think it's been more
than forty thousand. Yeah, um, thousands and thousands of people go to
this Caliochi thing. Um, but it's been five to six months since since
she's performed on stage. So she's nervous. And you know how reality shows
go. You start with anxiousness and then you overcome and well not even overcomments
like you know, yeah, all these problems and then of course it's like
without even without even any real explanation as to how they overcame the problem,
they just overcome it, right, no mechanics, just like you know,
it wasn't as bad as they feared or right. Well, there's there's you
know, an interpersonal drama that suddenly resolves itself by the end of the episode.
Yeah, they with a friend or a family member or a significant other
and then they see the value in each other in the end and they end
up on a pier. I just should have trusted myself the whole time,
and I guess going forward, I just will trust myself that much more.
That just shows the sun setting. So, Um, she's anxious, and
this is part of I guess, part of the performance business that she doesn't
feel a particular comfort and strength with yet is the choreograph dancing that the Britney
Spear style, you know, ensemble dancing, which I don't understand. I
mean, she fucking did that for the for the fucking movie, for the
fucking the Hercules movie. We talk about broken. I saw the Hercules movie,
so shut the fuck up, fool me. I saw the movie.
I mean I also we also, I also saw a fucking Hogan knows best
and they talk about the choreograph choreography of this fucking thing, so lends good
doing the goofy dances with all that. You know, you gotta go snap,
snap and then move your head. You gotta snap your fingers and it
has to be like you don't have to literally snap your fingers past uh uh
uh uh uh uh uh in front of her mirror. And now that's like
every teenage girl doing this in the middle of the highway basically with her phone
out. Um uh uh uh step step one two stop. Okay, how
about that? How about replace the E with an O and see if we
all end up at her off stop stop one two. Brooke uh starts singing
Welcome to the Freak Show. It sounds exactly like Britney Spears and she knows
it it's by design. Oh, totally welcome to the freak. So now
she's doing that. Now she's sultry. Right now she's trying to get you
to so you know, and and and look, she seems like a decent
person. We've made this very clear, but I'll tell you she is like
the least sexy person. That's unfair. I'm serious, Like nothing about her
like screams I can be sexy, like it's all it's all awkward. Well,
it's very strange because the reality show acquaints you with how kind of you
know, I don't want to say innocent, but I don't know. You
just can't. You can't. You can't buy it as anything but to put
on. By the time she starts right like even even in her like videos
and stuff, none of it comes across like Britney spears, you know,
like especially back in the day, like she's like that's fucking sexy, like
it's hot Brook. No, it just seems like she's she's following like a
formula that isn't isn't isn't fit for purpose. It doesn't feel like it's her.
It's not the formula you'd pull off the shelf to Like she seems someone
who'd be more comfortable, like like Jewel or something, you know, grab
a guitar and fucking give me an acoustic well, and as we learned in
Tnah, that's a big part of the reason she came to TNA was Dixie,
you know, and her music connections talking and her into this idea that
she needs to be a country star. Remember she did that radio interview on
Nashville Radio before the Bubba wedding on Spike where she was like, she suddenly
started talking like Darlin and you could hear her try to have a Nashville accent
on the interview. She tried. I mean, her entrance music in TNA
was basically, you know, a like a hard charging Shania Twain kind of
country take that didn't work for either. But this is before that. This
is when they thought that because she got that music video with Paul Wall and
it seemed like there was Actually she got hooked up with Soby Entertainment, which
was a hip hop R and B label, and then of course, she,
as we're going to find out later, ends updating the son of the
of the of the record executive and that's what causes the whole racial tie rade
on tape, or at least that's the reason he's talking in those terms.
So it's it's amazing how much trouble this time in her life ends up causing
hulkogan down the line from the back surgery to them the boyfriend and everything.
So she's doing the whole thing, and we kind of get a glimpse she's
The lyrics of the song include I want to see you stripped from me and
all that, and so they're stiff sifting through candidates for the dancers, and
they're sitting at a table with a water bottle. You always have to have
water near you when you're making decisions like this, because you didn't know in
case you don't know how to look professional in an audition setting. You need
a bottle of evy on there for all to see. And suddenly the phone
rings. The phone rings, Brother, She's gonna there's a problem, brother,
They're hello, Bye. Got his legs went numb. I'm gonna drive
her it up. Okay, I would have to go. I have to
go. My dad's legs went numb and he collapsed to are you sure?
Are you guys? Let's go from the top of the Numbrookie, We're gonna
have to do without brook, brother, We're gonna have to do it without
Brooke. Yea, so hiss, his legs went numb. Now, what
this seems to be is that episode where he ends up with that Mount something
hospital. I already forgot what it was, where he was bending over on
the beach with Jennifer picking up seashells. Remember that, Yes, yes,
there was press coverage about him having to be rushed to the hospital and he
did. I think he did a Twitter video from inside the r and that's
what touched up. And else. I swear to God, there's something here.
I don't know what it is. I couldn't read enough between the lines
to reach a conclusion. But Jennifer and Brooker both asked about this and in
deposition, and they just don't want to say that it was seashell pickup that
caused this. They just don't want to go there. They kind of like
talk around that point when I don't know. Something else I think happened that
caused Hulkogan's legs to go out. I don't know what it might have been.
Maybe he's getting blown on the beach or something. I don't know,
but I could not not notice how how little substantiation there was from others besides
Hulk Coogan. And I think even if I'm remembering the deposition right that we
read now, brother, I was not fucking Jennifer from behind. He's certainly
not fucking somebody other than Jennifer from behind. I no, do you definitely
not, I'm brother, that couldn't have been happening. But they kind of
conflate all this together. They conflate this medical emergency with the more like kind
of standard practice consultations he was going through, having gone to the day.
It wasn't like there was this sudden medical episode that caused Hulkogan to consider surgery.
This happened after he was already on the laser spine treatment and all of
that. So I don't know if they just had this footage already that the
chronology really confuses me if I'm remembering correctly, because I know that the beach
the seashell thing, I'm pretty sure happened during TNA so in twenty and ten,
and all of his consultations like the ones we see depicted on the show.
We're in two thousand and nine with Uribay and Saint Louis. But anyway
that that seems to be what's happening here that episode being dramatized or at least
presented on this episode is having touched off a whole dialogue about the condition of
the Hulster's back. So she's going to drive right up to see him his
dad, his leg drops went numb, his leg dropped, if you will,
that's out the way I look at it. And which is another amazing
thing just to hear how many times he's asked about leg drops or others are
asked about leg drops. It's like this um is this way of diagnosing just
how badly Hulk Coogan was hurt and what realistic expectations were for the back treatments.
Could could he do a leg drop? Could if doctor, if he
were to come back, would you advise him to do a leg drop?
That's like the line in the sand. It's fucking hilarious to see that being
made a matter of like, dude, here's the thing, dude, what
we ever drag? What's gonna be able to let me drop a leg?
Brother? Oh I understand, I can't you know slam six thousand pounds giants.
I'm after all this. I know, I can't flamb out Andre brother,
but what are we talking about here, Jude. I'm just gonna tell
you, boss, after all this, all these months, if Hellgan never
drops the leg again, I am popping like we popped. But but he
pinned up the rock in two thousand and two. Yeah, sure, if
he ever fucking drops the leg again, like that's I'm gonna he has built
this up so much. Let me if let me tell you, right,
if if we're ever at a WrestleMania or something like that, Okay, and
he comes out and he fucking drops the leg, I don't care how high
we are. I'm just jumping out right, He's jumping out of the building
screaming. I mean, it'll be a raucous moment. And he knows it.
Yeah. I always think when he talks about how the leg drops over
the years caused the back problems, that's kind of what he's doing. Is
he's building for one more, right, Yeah, I know if you just
read the text on its face of what these doctors are saying about what Hulk
Cogan Cannon can't do. No, no doctor's going to tell them it's okay
to drop the leg but I don't know. Hope brings it up so much
that you gotta think somewhere in his mind he's setting up at one big moment.
You know, he knows he shouldn't do it, but he Wrestlers don't
talk about something that's not going to happen that often without an intention of making
it that much more impactful when they go ahead and do it, unless they
unless they plan on on it happening. And you know, from from all
accounts when he showed up in that raw thirty and he had like a cane,
this guy's not going to be able to do that. But I don't
know. I'm just here to tell you though, if it does happen,
I'm marking out period yep, in a way I never would have marked out
pret tnh yeah, oh totally. So here it is. Um. They
tell her, of course that everything's going to be fine. But you know,
here's what happened to your father. They show her running, I got
her, I got her coming in there five hours later. Yeah, right,
I can come in. What happened to you? Oh my legs kind
of went. Um, I'm scared for you, dad. I just can't
stand more than four or five minutes. Yeah, that's really bad. If
you can't stand four or five minutes, that can functional like the sunny war.
Oh really still? Yeah? Okay, Terry. So this is why
we have the spine should look like this, and this is your back.
So you can't tell right now you know that's what my back hurts. You
really have a serious prone in your back. I'm going to ask you the
question that I asked all of my patients. Is your pain twenty four seven?
Yes? Is this pain that bad that you can is affecting your personal
life and everything that is around it. Yes, he can't stand up for
more than a minute. He can't even walk to the prosy store. And
are you at the point that you say, I can't take any risk if
I can get some improvement from this pain? Any risk? Well, significant
risk. Well, if you're saying, you know, if you if you
go to the surgery and you're gonna end up in a wheelchair and never walk
again. We cannot predict the future. You know, we'll do our best
to make you better, But when we're working a nerve, spine, bones,
there's always a potential for damage to any of those structures. Usually what
we prefer is first, you to try everything that is available. We are
at this point talking about soldery because you already explore everything that is available and
you're tired of that. I'm all right, a big deal, the big
operation for you. It's just the typical screws and the cages to reconstruct,
rebuild, and more important, relief your pain. Yeah, that's the idea.
And don't forget at the end your decision. That doctor one Uribey,
that's right, that's doctor or Reba. So in fact it was yes looking
back TMZ. September twenty ten, Hulk Hlgan's back injury Sea shell Shock.
TMZ spoke to the Hulkster, who's currently hospitalized in Clearwater, Florida, and
dude tells us he was picking up seashells this weekend with his girlfriend Jennifer,
and the constant bending over eventually got the better of him. Hulk, who's
had multiple back surgeries in the past, so he must have aggravated his old
injuries because next morning he could barely move in at the colonn ambulance. Hulk
tells TMZ the doctors believed he suffered a tear in one of his muscles,
but they still need to run some tests to be certain, and there he
is tweeting or whatever from the Yeah, tweeting from the from the bed,
right, because he was all into this new social media thing. So yeah,
again, it takes Brook five hours from where she was in her dance
studio, man, and you get to him clear Water, and they show
like an overhead scene of clear Water. They show usf which is you know,
the campus where this hospital is, and Jennifer's there, Hulk second wife,
and they're looking at the x rays and they show Hulk laid out in
a red bandanna and a Johnny he's got the bandanna on in the hospital.
Oh my god. Well, hey, it's better than when he fucking has
the skullet and a ponytail later on. Absolutely, that's horrifying. So let
me ask you that whole thing with your rebate talking about all the risks,
is that not what Brooke just said in a deposition that she doesn't remember happening,
But it was on TV right there. It wasn't real though. That
was for the camera. And while Hulk sitting there being you know, consulted
by doctor your rebate, is he wearing a Bubba Army T shirt? Yes,
he is. Const Oh god. They show a picture of him,
a picture of his back and it is curved. Man, it is like
a question mark his spine and that's why his back hurts, is right?
Um? And your Rebay again goes through all those questions, is your page
twenty four seven, et cetera. When when he asks Hulk, is it
so bad that it's affecting your personal life? They immediately cut to Jennifer who's
getting no dick. Which that's the assumption there exactly, that's the message fucked.
She ain't getting fucked by Terry Balay's cock or Hulk Coogan's cock. Let
me ask you this Hulk hell can have this injury or Terry Balia. I'm
trying to figure out whose back is actually hurt here is that's the question?
Um? So, yeah, he's a significant risk and talking about wheelchair and
all that, and you know your rebase not able to say that that's not
on the table in terms of of possibilities. There's another doctor on hand,
doctor Fernando Vali, who we've talked about. He says, we do our
best to make it better, but when working the nerve and spine and all
that. So doctor Rebey did issue or offer a testimony deposition and the hul
Kegan Versus Laser Spine Institute lawsuit. And here's just some Germaine snippets from his
testimony. How did Hulkegan come to be your patient? He was referred to
me by one of my partners, doctor Fernando Vale, who we just saw.
And do you know how he came to doctor Valley? I'm not sure.
I think they're friends. I'm not sure. Okay, So why was
why did mister Balai or why why did you see mister Blair that day?
Because he has a spine condition and my partner, doctor Valley, referred him
to me. So nothing about this emergency. Okay, that's not why he
saw him. He was thinking I was the proper person to take care of
mister Balah within the group. And you saw mister Blair that day, yeah,
I saw him. Was there anybody else present? Doctor Valley himself?
Okay? Did mister Ballet have any family members? I believe? So do
you recall? I don't recall, but I think some family members were with
him and friends I believe as well. So what history did you have of
mister Blair's back condition when you first saw him on I think it was February,
twe fourth, two thousand and nine, correct, So this if that's
this is two thousand and nine February, and the back the seashell thing happened
in September two thousand and ten. Is see how they smashed those together and
to make them look concurrent. That's a huge time gap. Apparently they had
all this footage. Yeah, unused in the hopper. So he was complaining
of long standing back pain for at least eight years, eight years. It
was back in two thousand nine, so eight years before two thousand and nine,
so since what since coming to WWF again, since we're turning to WWF.
He was complaining of this back pain and he came, I've probably been
complaining about U since fucking ninety two. Yeah, probably in some in some
fashion. And he came with a debilitating low back pain. Your rebate testified
and he was getting worse over the last few months before he began seeing us.
And he was mentioned that he tried multiple conservative treatment with no improvement,
and that's the reason he came to us. Clinically, we actually witnessed that
these procedures. Now, okay, now he's talking and jumping forward a bit.
Now he's talking about because you Rebase the one that does the fusion,
he's not the laser spine guy. They're asking him, of course, in
the deposition, what he thought about the laser spine and if it actually at
all complicated the eventual fusion surgery, which, as we discussed in the TNH
journey, happened in December of twenty ten. That's that holiday period where they
do the Thanksgiving dinner where Dixie files the lawsuit to get the company back,
and then he disappears over the Christmas break does the hookster. And this is
this is why clinically we actually witnessed the Rebay testifies that these procedures, the
laser spine procedures, actually made him worse because when I saw him in two
thousand and nine, he was not under any strong narcotics or any of the
other of these devices for pain management. And when we saw him later on,
he was already with a remember he was when I saw him, he
was actually walking to the o R looking for our It was some day in
the afternoon, not even an appointment. He showed up at Tampa General with
someone and I remember he looks deteriorated m There's other suggestions and other depositions in
this lawsuit, by the way, that Hulk was basically jonesing for more pain
medication at a certain point. It seems to get kind of ugly in that
regard that he's making unusual requests of people, that he's doing more pain medication.
Really, yeah, he was, actually you Rebay testifies technically he was
using lollypops of fentamine for pain and this is like a maximum narcotic. And
he looks devastated. I want to repeat what doctor Ribey says. He looks
devastated. He was walking totally. We were like, what happened to you?
And then when we get him an appointment and we started talking again.
Lawyer asks, when he came back to him in twenty ten, was he
on a pain pump? Answer? I believe he had some. He had
some. I believe he had a spinal cord stimulator, and he was taking
a massive dosage of narcotics. You're talking about real guns, you know,
like a fentomyl, this medication that you know, maybe because of his body
habitusts he could handle it. Probably if I take those dosages, I will
be dead. That's a doctor Rebay testified hulks on somebody fucking drugs. It
would have dropped doctor Rebay where he stood. Let's be clear about that high
as fuck. I'm trying, and this is during TNA, So I'll retract
a bit because when he makes reference to Febry two thousand and nine being that
first consultation, that might not necessarily be the footage we see depicked in on
Brookno's best because, as he mentions, he comes back to him in two
thousand and ten because he's starting to rethink, you know, whether a laser
spine can save his ass. So the chronology is, you know, he's
having so much pain, he goes to see Rebay on the recommendation we learned
of doctor Valet, and he talks to him about spinal fusion and how this
is like what you gotta do. He doesn't like that answer. Again,
as he testified, happens to run into somebody who suggests laser spine to him.
I don't know if that's exactly the case. The whole thing like he
looked ann dude or whatever the fuck he said. I don't know. The
other testimony indicates it was just basically like, I'm brother, dude, I
just watched into somebody. Dude. I was walking down the street brother in
this side well canned that said, I'll trust you, brother, What are
you gonna say exactly? Whoa can? I was like, Oh, I'll
here's this guy out. I didn't, sir, I didn't say anything to
you. I just bumped an apologize. So when you're gonna sell of the
Encyclopedia Britannic out of the Balaya House, get to that fucking tanning booth first,
dude. But you're tanned, dude. I trust your judgment. It
seems like you're living a good life. Dude. Um. So yeah,
So he goes. Then he goes for the Laser's fine treatments through two thousand
and nine, and then by two thousand and ten. He's given up on
them. By mid to late two thousand and ten. So maybe this when
he comes back to your rebay in two thousand and ten, maybe that's the
footage we're seeing here. Though the way the conversation is framed on the episode
of Brookno's Best it sounds like an introductory kind of on this one. In
the episode Yeah, aired two thousand and nine, aired two thousand nine,
so fuck that. Yeah, no, this is this is from two thousand
and nine, but the Seashell apps it happened in two thousand and ten,
so maybe that maybe that hospitalization isn't the Seashell thing. It couldn't have been
if it's two thousand and nine. Okay, well, now now it's making
a different kind of sense this. I mean, I'll double check again,
but I'm pretty sure I have. August nine, two thousand and nine is
when this episode premiered. Earlier, it happened like it would have happened.
And that makes sense because she come right because by the time she comes in,
she's coming off the reality show. Right. Oh yeah, they all
are. They're all done the reality show by that point. I'm confused.
I believe he had some he had some. I believe he had a spinal
cord stimulator. Okay, we talked about this. So when he returned,
when mister Bala returned to you, the lawyer asks, in December of two
thousand and ten, clinically you saw did you see a different picture of a
patient than you saw previously? Definitely a more deteriorated patient, he says.
He's later asked for example, there was at Catskin CT scan rather Downe on
November thirtieth, two and ten. Would you have reviewed that correct? And
there was a spine standing scoliosis series done on remember twenty nine, twenty ten.
Would you have seen that correct? And when you reviewed those studies did
you notice any change in in the scoliosis, the Sponde thesis or anything suggesting?
He says, I think that the condition was even more. You know,
his spine was more deteriorated than what we saw in two thousand and nine
and his clinical picture as well. Are you spondel who dude? Do you
do you recall doctor? The lawyer says that do you hyphen? Do you
do you recall doctor? Your rebey that you were actually filmed for a TV
show that was involved that he was involved in. Yeah, we actually signed
some disclosures right alert. Yeah, and actually it was a great because we
actually consent him pretty much on the program. So doctor Rebay thinks it's fucking
great that this is odd tape, right. I remember I looked like I
was explained to him all the risks and benefits. Very good because my friends
all over the country. He came to me and said, listen, you
scared this guy, but I was trying to get him out. You know,
really, you know, good explanation, what what really means a fusion
instrumentation? Now you knew mister Balaa to be a professional wrestler, correct,
correct? And was doctor Rebe one of the goals that he had in mind
coming to you is to be able to get back to work. Answer.
Yeah, and you know, I specifically, mister Blai is a big responsibility
for us because he's I would say, belongs to our society as one of
our icons. And for us, I mean for me, it was a
personal I would say, a personal challenge to bring him back to society.
You know, people love him, people like him, people want to see
him back, people need him. Doctor Uribe on the stand, that's right,
so he tells Holgan later in the episode, Uribe, usually, what
we prefer is first for you to try everything that is available. We're at
this point talking about surgery because you already explored everything that's available and you're tired
of that. And Hulk grees, Yeah, yeah, that's true. So
this is clearly the consultation after all the wayser treatments are done. Maybe has
a bone model and he says for you, the typical screws and cages to
reconstruct and rebuild and more importantly relieve your pain would go here, here,
and here, And that's the idea. So he's you know, walking hulk
through with surgery would look like uh anatomically, and don't forget at the end,
it's your decision. Hulks or exhale, exhales and squints right at that
point. Here's a bit of a testimony. This is from the head of
patient relations at Laser It's Fine institute. Now this this guy isn't a doctor,
but he's sort of you know, involved when it comes to if we
have like a VIP patient, we want to make sure they don't have to
wait like a typical patient. We want to make sure that they're not stuck
in a waiting room with a bunch of marks. We want to make sure
that things go smoothly. That's the last thing you want to be absolutely a
bunch of marks, especially especially the holster. It's not it's just not the
experience I expected, dude, I mean a bunch of fucking you know,
wrestling marks. Brother, So their marks in there, brother, No come
here, no brother. Now, by the way, does Nop show up
in this episode to co Hogan breakfast. Essentially, yes he does. Did
we make the shit up? No? We did not, so y when
he when he my god show up, I had to fucking pause, did
you? And I had to just fucking I At first I laughed, and
then I just put my hand, my head in my hands for like five
minutes. It's amazing at this those are the moments we lived for. Unbelievable.
I mean, I felt betrayed. I got mad at Knobs when I
saw that, remembering how ye much he blew off our questions at the Wrestle
Con this year. That's available on Patreon where we asked him, you know
about staying at Hogan's house and being by Hogan's bedside, and he was like,
what are you talking about? Like I asked me, I thinking,
yeah, where did I get this idea from? It's from this show.
Do you know why? Because your life is Hulk Hogan, your life evolves
around Hulk Hogan, and you allow that to happen that you need that to
happen. Further, So, this gentleman is asked and he noticed something kind
of peculiar and some of the interactions Hulkogan had with the docks at Laser Spine
Institute. He's kind of a fly on the wall here, but he does
have a unique vantage point on everything, and this is what he offers.
He was being told by his physicians at Laser Spine Institute what he could or
could not. Did you ever see him act flippant? This gentleman is asked
by a lawyer about the instructions when Hult's being told, you know what you
can and can't do if you have this surgery, or joke about the postoperative
instructions, or say well I'm gonna go do this or anything like that,
or what that was that not ever in front of you that you can remember,
And the gentleman says in response, the facial expressions were there. I'm
not sure I could hear him actually say what he was saying, but you
know, in my opinion, I think that he had in his mind that
you know, he was better, bigger and better and stronger than most people,
and that the rules didn't affect him. And he even goes on to
say later that one point he remembers help using the word bullshit in terms of
being told that you know, if you have the surgery, Hulk, you
can't do this in the gym, because could this all just be as fucking
prosaic as Hulk Hogan's addicted to fucking working out? Does this go all the
way back to the whole premise of trial of his life and bigger, faster,
stronger and all that shit, you know what I mean? Does it
all go back to the fact that help very very well may have benefited from
these things if he didn't insist on clanging and banging every day of his life,
even after his back is telling him stop doing this. Dude, you
gotta get down to Jim Brother. He got some hanging and banging man,
Oh you don't want to have, you know, mashed potato muscles, Brothers.
All those lines he can't use anymore if he starts having noodles on his
arms. Twenty four inch pythons, I mean, think about it. He's
he has no reason to wake up in the morning if he can sing about
twenty four inch pythons. I mean, that's and we look at him now,
look at the state of the man. Look at the videos he posts
to promote his money at karaoke. He is just his His biceps are as
big as ever an I or what it takes to get there. But he's
there, and you're gonna tell me that if a back surgeon tells Hulk,
listen, if we do this, you cannot work out that he's going to
not work Of course he's going to work out. If he doesn't work out,
he might as well have pulled that trigger when he was tapping the edge
of the barrel on his teeth for Leila Lee called and saved his life.
The only reason he exists is to lift weights and then enjoy all the benefits
that that's sprout from there. I mean Hulk Cogan. A Hulk Cogan that
doesn't lift like you know, if what happened to magnum Ta or what happened
to Lex Luger happened Hulk Cogan, I think he'd off himself within a week.
Yes, that could be wrong. You know, maybe I don't have
enough of a maybe I'm not giving his strength of spirit enough credit, But
I don't know it. As I read between the lines and some of the
things that people were saying that we're defending laser spine in this whole thing,
it seems to me that Hulk was not giving these treatments a very good chance
to succeed. He was telling himself that these things were going to get him
where he needed to be so he could hustle to get back in the ring.
Right. And as we discovered, one of the key thesis points is
if Hulk Cogan isn't about to wrestle or isn't wrestling, he actually means less
than anybody else in DNA. So first postop, mister Billy was asked whether
he was exercising and he said no, correct, this gentleman is asked,
he says correct, right, And then you saw his girlfriend Jennifer now his
wife Jennifer shaking her head no when Holk said he wasn't working out correct?
Do you know if she was shaking her head no that he wasn't exercising or
no, that he was exercising. I think the question was are you doing
any exercises? And he said no, and she said like, no,
no, that's not right, that's not correct. Yes he was. Did
she verbally say that no? Todd did meet Todd Farmer Boston. You notice
in some of these clips when he walks in and out of the doctor's office,
there's this other big dude with them. I didn't notice that. No,
yeah, it's this. They didn't never identify him on the show.
But his name is Todd Farmer. He was never pro wrestler as far as
I could tell, but he was basically like similar to how we describe Brian
Nobbs. He follows Hogan around. Hogan will say, call Todd if you
need to get to me, and he's like his medical consult, he's his
scheduling consult. He's, you know, shoulder to cry on. You know,
they're in the truck dealing with phone calls around, all these back procedures,
as Todd Farmer later speaks to in his deposition, which will excerpt as
well in this episode. So just get to know Todd Farmer. Okay,
okay. So Todd verbally said no, he was exercising. Yes. When
we stepped out of the room, I said, Todd, is he working
out? He said yes. Okay. Jennifer, all you saw her doing
was shaking her head in a no direction. Correct, right, brother,
Back at the small house, now that Holt has been forced to move into
post divorce. Yes, not the one we saw on Hogan knows best.
The one we see on Brookno's best because with that real estate footprint, you
can't argue you Hogan knows best anymore. It looks like a bungalow. Oh
yeah, it's just it's a very modest home. And this is the home
that apparently he married Jennifer on the steps of in December twenty ten. After
the surgery. Yo, Brookie, I get this, Yo Brookie, I
need to sit down, Sashimi. There serious form. So I was with
Cindy going on my bills. I saw that, you know what do I
do give the forty thousand dollars you know it's a lemon Charlie for support and
pay my light built? Or do I pay my mom's nursing home. Yeah,
I don't have enough money to pay everybody. So I gotta get back
on my feet. If I go get the surgery that I need with all
the needle in my back and all the steel rods, I'll be out like
six or eight months and I can't be down there long. I was talking
with the doctors. I might do this laser type spine surgery, you know,
so are you talking about. It's a laser with the scope and they'll
go down both sides of my back and they'll clean out all the spurs and
all the stuff that's causing me pain. They don't care about putting metal in
my back and steal bars and straight in my spine up. They just care
about getting out of pain. So you're saying that the laser is going to
leave your bones how they are, but make your bones not hurt how they
are. Right. You can always have the metal put in your back,
to steel rods and screws, all the cages. But I may never be
able to go back to work and wrestle. You know, all these great
doctors have told me try everything first, every option. If they get me
out of pain, I can go back to work. This laser surgery could
be the fix I need. Why not go for that? The only problem
is I might not be able to come to your concert. That my concert
doesn't even matter. You've been to fifty of them to like your big comeback.
Forty thousand people in my jammie is a big deal. I want you
to take care of yourself. The most important thing is you need to go
back to Miami and do your show. I'm going to stay here with you.
I just want you to feel better. Well. There is important we
get forty thousand people in my Jammi's dude, you know what he meant there?
Right? Yes, I know what he meant. I I got to
play it like three times, like did you just say my jammies? What
is he talking about? So fucking But apparently he thinks it's cool to pronounce
Miami that way. I would disagree. I definitely think it's I would disagree
wholeheartedly. And do you notice he's sitting I can't imagine a less advisable position
to sit in than he is with his back problems. He's like sitting on
a right, He's like crouched over on a lounge chair, but he's sitting
on like the seat of it, and it's just like at an angle,
killing your back. Bro Seriously, I don't even know how he could get
get down to that position. Here's the thing, brother, I was whole
cogan in the situation. Dude, I see Olsen Trey Balaya. I was
on camera hold him and again, Brooke, if I were to tell you
that one of the segments of the reality show involves you and your dad sitting
down and having a conversation where he said to you that he needed to get
back on his feet and go to work. That would probably be something made
up for television. Probably would be your testimony. And if your dad were
to sit down and say that he was paying your mom forty thousand bucks a
month as part of the separation and he needed to go back to work to
meet expenses, that would be made up for the television show. I don't
know, really because I don't recall the actual conversation we had off camera versus
the made up one we had on camera. Oh that was freaky because the
first thing she says is I don't know. So I was like, is
he reading this? I didn't give him this? Is he reading this?
But that's kind of what she says. I don't know about my parents divorce,
And like I said, anything that's on TV I can't validate as being
real because it's all TV. And I fielm hours and hours of TV of
made up stuff and dramatize stuff. But you talk to your dad off camera
too, Yeah, he's my father. So did he tell your father?
What's that? Don't you talk to your father? She had? She turns
the table, which I say, I don't talk to my dad unless it's
on Do you talk to your father on television or just off camera? Sir,
Well, I'm not a TV star, man, then we don't even
know what you talk about. Then exam camera, everything you say is fiction.
I would prefer, sir, for the duration of this deposition, you
didn't project your personal issues on me. I would prefer, sir, that
you wouldn't project your dissatisfaction with your relationship with your father because he never got
you on TV right when you're talking to me, please, So did he
tell you anything off camera like that, like, hey, Brook, I
need to get to work to pay some bills and I really don't want to
be held late up for twelve months or eight months? Did that conversation ever
happen off camera? Answer? He kept his divorce with my mother kind of
out of our kid's eyeline, so we didn't really know much about what was
going on with their divorce. But he's look, he looks right in the
eye on this show. It's his forty thousand bucks. You're gonna forget that.
You're gonna pretend that he never said that in real life to you too.
She had a big contract coming up. She's very busy. Okay,
well, I guess my question is more general. He says to her,
did he ever sit you down and say, you know, I need to
get back to work to meet expenses. He didn't have to reference the divorce.
No, no, no, I never needed to work. So,
as best you can recall, there was never a conversation that you had with
your dad off camera where he said anything like, you know, I really
don't want to or can't afford to be on my back for eight to twelve
months recovering. I don't recall talking about money with him. I don't recall
you asking me a question. I didn't recall that being an answer to the
question either. Brooke, okay, because you know she's all she's all tripping
on the fact that forty thousand dollars a month number is probably total cafe and
he didn't have to pay her that much. That would be my guests.
I mean, I would say that the whole thing is, like you know,
as we as we talked about when we did that, when we were
talking about some of the lawsuits, how he was, what was it?
He was, well, the settlement with the Graziano family, right. Raziano
family attorney later came out and said that I can't tell you what the settlement
was, but he is way over exaggerating how much he had to pay,
right exactly. He's probably claiming, like, but there's something there's some legal
term where he where you where you you've talked about this where you're you're yeah,
what was it like, Oh, like they sue for so much,
but we didn't know how much was actually paid or right? Yeah, yeah,
well that's that. That was the The jury in the Gawker case awarded
him one hundred and ten million of damages, but they couldn't pay one hundred
ten million in damages. So but it was something else it was it was
it was during one of the other lawsuits though. It was something where we
were talking about how Hogan was sued, but he made it seem like he
had to pay all this money, but it didn't actually say how much he
actually paid, right, right, Yeah, I know what you mean.
There's probably insurance too, right, you know, like there's probably some degree
because he did he did turn around and sue the insurance company that was supposed
to that he thought or he claimed he thought covered him in the in the
event of an accident like Nick suffered, saying that they misrepresented what was and
wasn't covered in in that insurance, So clearly they were engaging insurance too to
pay some of this money. So perhaps that pushback from the Graziano side was
not that it wasn't as much as it was said, but the idea that
all every last cent of that came out of Hulk Cogan's wallet is a joke.
Maybe that's what it is. There's also um with the Lenda divorce and
how much she got. There was some dispute about that too, in terms
of like what didn't didn't count right, like I had to do with the
divorce where we had a specific conversation where there was something like, you know,
it says, I forget what it was. Yeah, well it's in
there. It's in it's buried somewhere in the hours and hours and hours we
talked about this, this phase of Hulk Cogan's life. But suffice to say
here, Brook Hogan is not going there. She is not going to act
like Hulk Hogan ever told her a single thing about I'm sorry my parents are
divorced. Essentially, it's what she's saying, yes, and that's a big
thing. I mean, remember how strenuously the attorney started objecting when Hulk started
talking about potentially how much money was exchanged in the divorce with Linda. During
his deposition in this case, they went nuts. They were like, whoa,
Yeah, you can't talk about that. Don't talk about that. Don't
talk about that or what the problem is unless there's something that would be you
know, something that's commonly understood that would be contradicted by the facts. I
don't recall talking about money with him, She says, okay, And if
that conversation took place on camera, it was probably made up, She's asked.
Her answer, probably, m so what we just heard is made up.
Probably. They asked Todd Farmer about this as well. In his deposition.
Um, you know, the attorneys were calling things like I got to
pay for mine my mother to be a nursing home, et cetera. Go
sure X amount per month, I need this job that would Farmer cuts off
the lawyer. I understand where you're going with that, but you gotta know
Terry, and they repeat, I understand where you're going with that, but
you gotta know Terry. And knowing Terry back when he I mean, I
knew him when he was making two twenty million dollars a year, when Terry
had a bunch of money in the bank and everything was great. When when
was that exactly toy WCW Yeah, yeah, between million dollars a year.
Yeah, I can see it for sure, between his cut of the six
pay per views he was contracted to be on merchandise totally. Yeah, I
guess that's true. That crazy as contract very much. Oh yeah, when
he's when he's given when he's given fucking um, you know, given cuts
of all all toys, whether or not he's fucking soul and wo. Stuff
all flows to him, and in a larger degree than it does to anybody
else. He's he's contractually guaranteed six million dollars plus his flat paid days to
come on pay per view before his percentage even kicks into the buys. I
mean, the guy cashes two checks it for pay per views. He doesn't
even wrestle on at the end of his w W run, just runs away
with the money. Remember that from bachel of the Beach two thousand. So
he's yeah, he's fucking paid. He's staying paid from many, many different
sources. When Terry had a bunch of money in the bank, Farmer says,
and everything was great. He still worries about money. That's the insight
you need about Hulk. How much money he has? He's crying poor,
that's just terry. Terry worries about money. Okay, So when all that
money was going out, did it worry him? Absolutely? But you asked
me, did he have to go to work? No, he didn't have
to go to work to make money. Something tells me this is the last
time Todd Farmer ever gave deposition on Hulk Cogan's bad brother. What are you
doing? What do you? You fucked me? Brother? I let you
under the tent. Brother. We gotta we gotta dizeal here. We got
an understis ending brother, and you're throwing the whole narrative off. Dude,
dude, who are you working for? Exactly? You've been talking to Bubba
brother? All right? Brother? Are you are you? Are you Bubba's
army brother? Are you Bubba's army Are you gonna like take that shirt off
to reveal a Bubba's army vest? What are we doing? Dude? What
are we doing? But you asked me, did he have to go to
work? No, he didn't have to go to work to make money.
He was He's got money but he worries about money. That's just his that's
just terry. I mean a lot of folks don't know this. Todd Farmer
is definitely the guy that wants you to know that he knows Hull Cogan better
than most. Oh exactly, you can see it, can't you. Yeah,
A lot of people none knows about Todd. Tell me. I mean,
look, I just I can't. I can't get enough. I'm just
here's what you gotta know about too, exactly tell me. Yeah, let's
you know, people, people Fitti's whole Cogan, right, people, you
know what. He's a regular human being. You know, you know,
I go back decades. I mean look, and the thing is, I
don't have to kiss his ass. That's a difference. Everybody else in his
life has to kiss his ass. I don't have to kiss his ass.
I mean, look, look, I know when he's I know when he's
bullshitting. He knows that. I know. It's it's a thing together.
We do fucking coke together. We I get it, we get it right,
I get him, he gets me, all right. It's it's just
a thing. It's just the way it is, and it's and I'm grateful
for it. But at the same time, you don't. You wouldn't understand
unless you really gets what I do. Tell me more cool stories, Todd.
I'm fascinated. Well, you asked me, did he have to go
to why the carpet all wet? Todd? No, he didn't have to
go to work to make money. He's got money. But he worries about
money. That's just that's just Terry. I mean a lot of folks don't
know this. He had. He went to school for accounting. Brother,
you probably didn't know that either. But he worries about money. That's just
him. He went to school for accounting, all right, Yeah, account
of the Gate. Just because you're the biggest starred wrestling and can dictate terms
doesn't mean you're an accounting whiz. It means you're a fucking charismatic superhero who
knows how to fucking you know what I mean, dictate terms exactly. And
when he's talking to his fans on a TV show or radio show, he's
asked, Todd, farmers asked by the attorney is he being forthcoming with them?
And you know, well, then he's being whole Cogan, which that's
different. Yeah, come on, I mean you know, that's the whole
Cogan thing coming. It's just a different, whole different bees. I mean,
that's exactly what. Listen. Somebody says, well, then he's being
whole Cogan, which that's different than being Terry Blea. That's that's two different
things. And let me guess, Todd, you know Terry Boleya, not
Hul Coogan. Right, yeah, okay, of course you're the one guy.
Listen, listen, I know, I know, I know Terry Blea.
I've I've certainly been in front of Hulkogan. All right, I get
it, I get it. Listen. Oh god, it's nauseating. It's
confusing. You know, it's confusing. You know, I get it,
you know, but you know you're just not part of that, all right,
you don't, you don't get it? Yeah, okay, in you
gotta be in. You know, something tells me you're only at the level
between Hulk and Terry. You haven't reached Terry. But someone someone tells me
that, uh that that that you know, you've only been let in as
much as Terry is letting you be in. Yeah, something tells me you've
only just seen a second dimension of Hulk Coogan, not a not a first
dimension of Terry Balia. That's all I'm saying. If he's talking about his
medical condition, this man has asked in an actual court of law or an
actual deposition, he's asked this question. If he's talking about his medical condition,
is he Hulk, Cogan or tery ballet? Everybody? Fucking thing comes
in every case he's involved in. I don't know what you're talking about.
When it happened. So, I mean, would he tell everybody? Would
he tell everybody his secrets? No? Probably not? No. What me
however, right, that's the the implication there, me, he tell me
his secrets? Sure, Yeah, I know I know all the secrets.
Yeah, you know I have had you know, I had those those uh
those those those kind of one on ones that most people only dream about.
Yeah, hey, you already told me one time. And I probably didn't
be saying this, but we're we're on the hulk, you know, hulk
as a fire pit wherever, you know, something like that, out back.
We're sitting around the fire pit one night drinking and he says to me,
he says, you know, Todd, I never thought, etc.
I don't have to finish the thought. Wow. He said that to you,
Todd, did he It was one of those nights, you though,
right, you got to picture it. It doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't
happen often, you know. He he's got so siss, a whole new
character. It's thinking me so nauseous. He's got a bottle of Louis the
fourteenth. I want you to picture this, all right, I want to.
You can't understand no one, you know, we're talking, right,
hundreds of dollars a shot Louis, you know, but this one night he
goes and grabs the Louis. All right, We're just sitting around the fire
pit, and you know, he says, he says, Todd, bub
Todd Alan Clem dude. Wait is your name? You're not Bubba dude?
And he says, I'm gonna tell you the biggest secret of the wrestling business.
And come he leans in and he does. I can't. I can't
tell you obviously. Oh my god, as if I couldn't be any more
furious that this imaginary person we created. All right, Jeff Farmer, why
don't gonna be fake sting? I de haven't hated a Farmer this much since
fucking godwins. Oh man, So this attorney clearly out of his wits at
this point. I mean every single person he's getting depositions from. He's got
to talk about this whole Cogan Terry Beala duality. Imagine that every lawyer who's
gone against Hule Cogan throughout this period, like there day one, you know,
like opening opening arguments and whatever. Very clean cut, you know,
like you know, hair is like perfectly content. They're clean shaven, you
know, the tie, everything just perfect. And by the end, their
hair is a complete disaster. They have grown like fifty percent of the hair
has gone white. It's just all over the place. They have not shaved
since the opening, opening day, and they just come I picture a little
bit, but like even more disheveled. Stanley Tucci in uh It's Spotlight.
Stanley tuccin Spotlight. Yes, yes, even more disheveled, wearing like wrinkled,
baggy khakis. You know, just like completely sweet disaster. Stanley is
he Garabedian in that movie? Mens? Look at him, counselor the glasses
on the edge of his nose, fucking files everywhere. You don't you don't
sound like you're from Boston, you know, sound like so good? Stanley
Tucci's definitely fucking money. Oh he's fucking great. I mean, isn't he
Yes? Has he ever done under the cinemat? I feel like now once
we haven't we haven't had him yet. No, Wow, I can see
You're like, we've got maybe we got one thing that he's in. I
feel like I can see him on the screen in the cinemat mode. I
would have done it. I would have done dive on him though, right
sure, So this exasperated lawyer, It's like, okay, if he's being
filmed by and I'm not talking about the reality show, but I'm talking about
the documentary. He was video tape talking to doctor Gruber, where Terry's saying,
you know, you guys have done a good job, done a great
job. I can do these things that you said I can, I'd be
able to do. Did you think he was being honest? Yeah, so
I forget. By the way, that's an important point. And the Finding
Whole Cogen documentary that we talked about when we covered his return match to Wrestle,
you know, in the tag match with the Biss on the March eight
twenty had impact the first Monday Night Live show. Um, this documentary has
him singing the praises of this laser spine treatment. You know, he's he's
he's saying, this is exactly where he needs to be and it lets him
wrestle. And it's not supposed to do any of these things. He's not
supposed to interpret this laser spine. The thing is allowing him to wrestle,
but he needs he needs some pretense, some pretext to be able to wrestle.
And it's, you know, reading into this surgery something that he could
never realistically expect it to achieve. And if if you read the depositions of
the other doctors involved, they never told them to expect to be able to
wrestle after you do these things. They expressly told the opposite. And you
can see in Finding Whole Cogan he's picking at that notion. He's picking at
it. He's he's trying to say, yeah, but what about Yeah,
but what about you know, it's literally asking doctor Gruber, like, well,
look what if you look at the X ray this way? Can't we
just clean this out? It's like, no, you won't be able to
move if I do that. If I do what about this, dude?
What if I what if I'm kind of instead of walking up walking my hands
and said, but oh what if? Um, how about this stock?
How about I do everything you tell me not to do and then sue you
when it doesn't turn out the right? Well? How about you? How
about you don't tell me anything anymore? Brother, right tell me any sort
of negative thing. No, I don't even want that, brother, Brother,
I don't, dude. I could see you're about to say something.
Dude, Dude, I don't even cover his mouth. Todd covers mouths due.
We had to do it. We had to do it. Doc.
You didn't even let me finish what I was gonna say. What I was
gonna say is what I don't want to know, because if this all fucks
up, I want to sue you, Doc, and I don't appreciate you
not allowing me to preserve my right to sue you. Brother. I'm I'm
really dude, You're You're I'm You're kind of pissing me off right now,
brother, by you denying me my right for justice right, and I fight
for the right of every man, including docs like you, scumbag low life
docs like you do. If anything, Brother, I fight for I fight
for all all Americans, brother, especially fight for whole home? Right?
Is it doctor Gruber or should we add an extra be to that brother starting
to worry? Or is it fucking Hans Gruber from fire? We could all
be so lucky, right, So yeah, he says, um, do
you think he was being honest Todd when he said this on the Whole Cog
on the Finding Whole Cogan documentary? That Wow, you gotta known, Terry,
Yeah, he's making you know, it's a documentary, Yes, in
fairy but you know you can't always take that. You can't always take that
tard especially with Terry. You gotta know. You know, Hey, Terry's
gonna Terry. Yeah, you could all be so lucky. How did it
take us this long DNH to find Todd Farmer? You could have used this
guy from the very beginning. You would have been a main character. Oh
my god, that's what you get for showing up in the background of Brookno's
best the Lost episode. So yeah, like you played in the clip Hulk
sits with Brooke, I was talking with the doctors, I might do the
laser type spine surgery and when Brook says, what laser are you talking about?
That clearly is inserted in post you can always tell the different sound Oh
yeah, yeah. If they don't. If they don't, if they don't
have a clip of them actually saying it, they have made up something,
or they get him in the studio and make them say it. Right,
that's what I mean, like either they got it from someplace else or they
made it up. Like it's completely it's not a real scenario. I mean,
soon they'll just be able to have everybody in the reality show, um
sit for a day, right, come on, well you know where I'm
going with this, or even get me started on this show. Huh,
what the fuck? Buss hucks, you paid for one day's work and for
the rest of the rest of our human existence. Using artificial intelligence, we
can just put you in any movie. We want the fact that that was
that that wasn't a threat, that was a proposition us. I mean,
that's more than we are obliged to offer you. You should be grateful.
Oh man, a boss. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad.
It's it is an existential showdown. It is like the the fight. I
um so I should say I should Actually it's funny to bring that up because
actually I meant to say this too, that uh, there has been since
I did post. I did post about the strike on Instagram, And um,
I should say that because that we're in a unique situation here at the
lapse Van right. Just so, because this is an independently produced podcast,
we are a SAG podcast. We are a SAG a podcast. But because
we're independently produced and have nothing to do with the producers and like of stuff
in the producers union and whatever, we therefore can continue to do our show.
Yes, this is this key, Yeah, the U. But um,
I remember in regards to this whole fucking AI thing, it's gonna be
fine, by the way, it's gonna be. It's not gonna be abused.
It's gonna be fine. Of course, of course we'll just trust everybody.
God do I hate fucking technology? You were going to say, I
remember, so, I remember the first time I noticed something like this.
I'm sure it happened before, but the first time I ever noticed something that
was drastic where I was like somebody's likeness was being used in a movie that
they weren't even in was Terminator. Salvation movie came out. I don't know
when to twenty ten, maybe twenty two thousand and nine, whatever it is.
And at the end of the movie they have a basically a completely computer
animated Arnold Schwarzenegger from like nineteen eighty four Terminator shown up, face everything.
It's not him, And the whole thing was that this was a big deal
because that he wasn't in it, because I think, yeah, he was
still governor at the time, and so he had nothing to do with this
movie because he couldn't, and it was the first Terminator without him. But
yet here it is, and there he is, and I remember thinking,
wow, that's kind of cool. But wait a minute, yes, and
immediately thinking to myself because it was, you know, for the time,
it was very good. It's not even near what they fucking do now,
like what I can do my fucking phone, for Christ's sake, you know.
It's yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm surprised it took this long
to become a real issue. It's yeah, it's it's interesting. We're starting
to see, like mid journey, we're starting to see like things that are
being produced though that look incredible. Yes, ay, as far as like
convincing video scenario, you just type of scenario, it's not it's the technology
was there it's now the front end is there to like do it with two
keystrokes. And I guess that's where the real issue is, that it's become
this really hard thing. And you know again the lack of you know,
because that's a say you know you can now you don't. You don't need
the people anymore. The people. It's not people, you need the imagine.
That's the leveraging. That's what We're gonna pay you less than we've ever
paid you before because we have our little computers, right, and we can
make you okay. I mean, it's like it's it's it's so funny how
how hard people will work to make Yes, creative people suffer not earn money,
you know not. They don't want they don't want creative people to earn
a living. It's hard enough as it is, but we're gonna make it
harder. They wanted to make a living, but they don't want to let
them have too much, say so, in what living they make. They
don't want to like have the enterprise hinge on. They want to have them
have like four you know, we don't want them to have it should be
it should be a hobby, right exactly exactly. They what they want,
and I've talked about this before, is they want, um, a community
of people that are independently wealthy, that want fame and success on top of
it, and so don't really care how much they get paid. It's all
gravy to them, right, They're already living in the house they're living in,
whether their movie stars or not. That's that's what they want. Ah,
And that that's you know, and you look at how many actors and
actresses at a certain level come from incredibly wealthy families or you know what I
mean, or come from just like these charmed New York City existences. It's
like, wait a minute, like is it is it really something in the
water or is or is the producer thinking of himself, like who's the least
likely to notice, uh, you know, three or four less decimals on
the paycheck? Right, that's exactly it. They want everybody, everybody wants
their employee base to be side hustles exactly. Of course, you know,
they want to all tell themselves that somebody else's problem to get these people benefits.
Like it's it's cute notion, but at a certain point it eliminates the
middle class. Essentially essentially or eliminate the only means the middle class has to
stay there. There was a good you know, there was there was a
time. You know, it's time you could be essentially a middle class actor
and you know, you could live in an area that does good theater.
You could try to do local commercials and nick a living. It's like those
days are long gone many Yeah, now it's just like this total crapshoot.
It's kind of weird because wrestling has gone in a different way. Wrestling is
kind of like, I don't know, you can earn more independently as a
wrestler than I mean pre COVID especially, but I don't know. Now it's
like not as fraud of an existence. Now I feel like I don't know,
it's actually better. Yeah, probably is um you know, without unions,
which is which is interesting, but it it kind of it has such
wild oscillations back and forth that like you're you're either you come along at the
right time or you don't, and you have no general baseline level expectation,
like you know, of any of money coming in, like you just be
out of favor tomorrow, and like that isn't all the work you put in
doesn't matter anymore. Like you've already you've earned what you're gonna earn on what
you got. They do get back in and lot of you know, merchandise
and stuff, and that does still those checks still do come after they cut
you. I think, yeah, but um, now we're an interesting time.
So it's like, you know, it's just it's it's so it's hard
enough as it is. I mean it, you know, as much as
as much as the technology has made things more accessible, it also makes things
so much harder because because now the hustle becomes more It's like you watch,
um, any stand up comedian has to be posting at least one video every
day. I'm so exhausting from one of their routines. Well, our friend
the Goots told us that, you know, you basically need to be a
podcaster now, like you can't be you can't you're just a comedian. You
have to be a fucking you have an ESPN studio in your house, shah
Man. I'm just like, I watch him, I watch all the guys
that we that that joined us WrestleMania Weekend, and I'm like, every fucking
day. I mean, fortunately for me, it's entertaining but I mean the
effort to do that shit alongside the fact that you've got also got to be
constantly preparing new material, constantly performing, and now you've also got to put
up a fucking ten minute video. It's a hamster wheel. The point is
it's a hamster wheel. You can't take you can't take time off. No,
you have to keep servicing this like beast in the sky that you never
see that. There's no way you can't do. You know, the person
determining how much of a split you get an advertising you'll never meet, you'll
never be able to talk to exactly. But they're just deciding in this like
random direct deposit every month how much you're worth. And the only sure thing
is if you stop feeding that beast, you will be poor. Yep.
And there's no equally way to guarantee that the harder you work, the more
you'll make, not even cl It's a suckers game. Interesting times, that's
right, interesting times. Um, you know it's gonna get worse before it
gets better. That's that's that's what the smart money is. If you ask
me, I mean this whole artifice of like everyone will pay ten dollars a
month and we'll all be fine. Nope, not true, not true at
all, because we've paid fucking three hundred dollars a month before that. We're
cable, right, and we act like that's going away now, and we
paid thirty dollars to go to the movies and then you know, you know,
the two the big thing um and and this, I tell you one
thing I really do hope that that changes is I'm I'm really sick and tired
of of of companies like Netflix keeping all their fucking numbers a deep dark secret.
Yeah. Well I think yeah, because because they you know, that's
a big that's a big part of the argument is that you've got you have
some of the and you know, I'm certainly a you know, I'm a
I argue for this because I was blessed to have fucking five seconds on the
goddamn show. But like Orange of the New Black, they like these these
these women on that show became fucking stars and then created it, created the
violent proposition, Netflix exact proof of concept, created original content, Netflix correct
right, not like sign up to see movies that right someone else produced.
But like I read this incredible article in The New Yorker, this was given
to Me by by Thomas Nacio, and it was it was just like it
was. It was so true because they you know, you get these checks,
um, and I'm not even saying that I should be in the same
league. I was on one episode for again, like you know, I
was a day player, but like my checks went from being, you know,
a couple hundred bucks every quarter to being now it's like maybe I'll get
I don't know, couple bucks couples or whatever at this point, and they
were saying they know people in the thing, and they were talking about how
they were they just never even made a lot of money off of the work,
and they were they had friends and colleagues who had done an episode one
episode, let alone a whole series on Law and Order that they were still
getting like like, I don't forget it was like six seven, eight hundred
dollars a year from twenty years prior. Yeah, that's called the adult way
to do it instead of the man child way to do it, which is
the form of management in the in tech that we've lionized in the past like
fifteen years. These dorks, these fucking dorks, and they don't like understand
that you get tuned up. If you don't pay people a fair wage,
eventually they will'll storm the gates like they think that they can just they can
just like code their way around this, and it's like, guys, it's
over. It's over. It's time to see if the Emperor has closed.
Right. That's because that's been such a key I think to a lot of
a lot of the tech mega success stories is hiding the data. Is the
data being so proprietary, the data being so closely guarded that you just have
to take our word for it that we're delivering that the numbers we tell you
were delivering are they're beyond reproach. They cannot be audited and they certainly cannot
be disclosed as a matter of course, like box office receipts are, or
like Nielsen Rating SAR for television, where everyone can get around and say,
you know what, no matter what, there's a third party we both trust
to tell us how much impact this this show actually had, how much impact
my episode actually had? There's you know what I mean, there there's a
common no, no, those that's our data. That's our whole secret sauce
or data private, that's private data. Fuck your data? Do you understand.
But the thing is if we uh, you know, there's a whole
you know that you know, we're not We're not a in a in a
public forum of yes, oh, because if we give that away, then
our competitors blah blah blah blah blah. If we give that away, then
all of this. But hell, if we give that away, then people
know we're successful or not. Can't have that? Yeah, well yeah,
you know what. Uh that's what fucking TV stations do every fucking day.
Did you watch Succession all the way through? Yes? At the stars guard
at the end, what is most afraid of? The Indian numbers are fake?
Oh? Yeah, right, that's right, That's right. That's all
I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. So, um, Hulk is explaining
to Brooke what what's going to happen here? And the laser with the scope,
both sides of the back, clean out the spurs, et cetera,
no metal, steel bars and all of that, and so's it's so weird.
It's almost like, um, they inserted this after to like explain in
detail in case there's never a lawsuit, what what this back surgery is going
to do? It gets very I don't know again, you know a lot
of this stuff I'm I'm really realizing, is you know, even though even
though there's just certainly not nearly enough of stuff, I can see why this
is. This has been a difficult episode to find. Yeah, yeah,
I can definitely build a case that this was scrub from the internet. I
mean, there's it's it's way too weird. It'd be one thing if you
couldn't find anything from season two, or would be one thing if you can
only find fifty to sixty percent of season two. But this is the only
one that everyone who claims to have all the stuff doesn't have, right,
It's it's very curious. So right, you can always have the metal putting
you back the steel rods screws. Later, but they talk about Hull talks
about how that's never going to be able to allow him to get back and
wrestle, Remember and wrestle, Work and wrestle, he says, he says,
work and wrestle. I'm a work and wrestle bringer has He's still got
to do this you know thing of I'm getting paid to work and wrestling,
but I'm not wrestling. And he always seems to be making doing the verbal
gymnastics to separate the two. At this stage of his life, you know,
all these great doctors have told me, try everything first, every option,
and if they get me out of pain, I can go back to
work. He's already working. He's signed to TNA. But you know if
this two thousand and nine not yet in fairness, not yet. He's got
the Australia opportunity coming up and that would prove to be the big test.
He goes his Muscle's Brook Flair a couple of times, dings himself up.
According to his deposition in this lawsuit, he actually gets hurt in the body
of the match at Flair and what he's doing Larry King and stuff to promote
coming to TNA. He's mentioning when they asked me if he's going to actually
wrestle in this new organization, that he's going to be going to Australia soon
to test out if that's possible. So these conversations are probably happening before he
goes to Australia, tries to work Rick and learns the hard way that he's
not going to be able to move around the ring very well. Those matches
now available, by the way, on YouTube. From fan camp perspective,
they were hold up forever in a memory hole because the DVDs and the rights
to the DVDs were a big part of a lawsuit that unfolded between the Australian
promoters and Hulk Coogan that kept the Jesus Chris the DVD distribution rights locked up
in escrow somewhere. He has like a fucking wall of shame and pain.
Just lawsuits, man, lawsuits, Huan, the Hulkan Court. I mean,
that's the that's the show. So um so Hulk says, you know
this laser surgery could be the fixed I need. Why not go for that?
Brooks as I think he should. Hogan's is the only problem is,
like we just played, I might not be able to go to your concert
and all that you've been a fifty of them. This is like your big
comeback my Jammie blah blah blah, and you heard the rest. Yeah,
she wants him to feel better, and so we flash cut to the sign
of the wall. It reads Laser Spine Institute, right, and did you
see what it said? Under that? What I'm saying, and here's what
the sign says, I shit, you not laser Spine Institute, Therapeutic Center
and cafe. Because it's not all about food. It's that cafe. What
spine cafe sounds delicious? Spinal fluid with that latte. We always put in
We're the only cafe in the country but specializes in the creation of spinal milk.
Trust this guy. Always trust a guy that talks with his fucking spittle
like that. We press spinal milk at all of our creations. In the
cafe. We have the spinal tap lte. Um, we have we have
chicken spine sandwich, Chicken Spine Institute sandwit. Yes, um, and I
repeat, by the way, Laser Spine Institute, Therapeutic Center and cafe.
In case you're hungry. Everyone likes to get a bite cheat after their spinal
fusion therapeutic experience. Um, we also serve cake. It's one of those
guys that runs like a Nathan's inside of a t station. Yes, he's
making like Papa uses on the Red Line. I come, I come down
the Florida during the cold sheets, cutting out of Florida for the winter.
I kept out of Florida. I go, yeah, I cuts out of
Florida. Yeah, dying the cold season after Thanksgiving from thanks Giving through March,
and I go to restaurants like the Pina Colada or like the you know,
the the Bay Parrot or something has got a condo. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I know. Fuck off my Like down there, the roads
are all like a grid, you know. Yeah, you don't have to
deal with this these old cow paths in Boston or fucking traffic I mean,
and they make those noises. At least in Florida when you get in an
accident, you have a seventy percent chance of dying. At Boston, you
gotta crash, you're barely move and anyway, what the fuck, no one
ever dies. I left Stick three thirty in the morning and they're coming back
from the casino fucking shit faced of course again Fox, I don't know fucking
place to new one man ocross. I think they call it Encore next to
the fucking Electrical Generation Plant. I'm my Encore. I'm off cor all right's
right, fucker from mass It anyway, fuck it is, yes, yes,
like uh like Caribou Kurts, Like they go to these restaurants that are
like these like cute, see kitchy, like beach themed places. But it's
just like margaritas and the same fucking thing, you know, tacos, you
know, right, It's like it's like frozen margaritas. Yeah, coconut shrimp
tacos, right, and and like and like uh like some kind of pulled
pork taco with with pineapple in it, you know, and you're you're you're
outdoors, but you're in like a cover with the ceiling fans, like they're
ceiling fans, but you're outdoors somehow, right, And everyone's encouraged to wear
like muscle teas and like slip flops. And I come down every Yeah,
everyone beautiful. I love Florida. Ah yeah, I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta. What is it like the screened in thing around my pool?
Because otherwise, you know, the nature is such that we will literally
be destroyed where we stand by bugs and we got a screened in pool.
It's like a like a studio apartment that has a screened in pool behind it.
It's a kiddie pool. There's a screened in kiddie pool in this person.
But you know what, we put it in ground, which it's really
nice. You can't tell a difference. It's like any other pool, you
know, it's wonderful, wonderful, living a life down here. You down
here, you know, and it's it's so beautiful. We spend ninety eight
percent of the time in the ac. It's great. I can't wait to
retire. All right, I'm gonna come down here full times. It's good
for the bones. Hanget out of Florida. I got a pain management in
Florida. My mom always want to come down of Florida. She never does.
Hold on, hold on. This guy went to Florida before his mom.
Whoa, whoa, it's not past tense. She never does. I
wand down in Florida. My MoMA was want to go down to Florida.
She never does. What does that mean? Like, whoa? I gotta
hold on. I gotta arrange a lot of things just so to understand what
you just said. Hanget out of what no no no, I got out
of Florida for the winter. But he says it so many times, he's
what he leaves it at that, I got a oh no one. Thread's
a problem because after he says it, after he says I out of Flora
for the way, he goes, Ah, come on, what's the problem
is a problem? Come on? I work at the thing had the latest
finac Yeah, I shut them, just final lattaste stuff right stuff there,
you know, and then you know, sometimes I'll tell you what the beauty
of it is to say at the at the laser spine stude. They're they're
always training new people to work the lasers. Yeah, so they sometimes let
us cafe folk. Do you know, like late night laser surgery. It's
fantastic late night laser lattes. We shall late night laiser lattaste. And then
we do the we do. We say, let's sound of us, you
know, work the laser. It's my moders didn't believe. My man isn't
believe in lasers. I should I should have known as soon as I made
this notation for therapeutic center in cafe that the guy who runs the cafe was
from Saugus to tell Mathiot to come down for the water sometimes. She said,
you know, the all I gotta tell you. The only thing I
miss is Kloon's. That's the only thing I miss. H you know I
missed that. I miss Kelly's roast beef. You know I love a good
roast beef sandwich. Hilltop Steakhouse. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, anything
route one. What do you miss about home anything? Route one? I
got a relicate. Do you miss one of seven hundred sports supply stores if
it's on Route one? I miss it. I got out of and he
falls out of his chair like Chief Brunch's make noises. I need to go.
Oh, Supine, I love love. Oh they're talking about how thing?
You know? Because now they must be mass too, says if they're
talking about an on a floor of Atlanta, right that that supresupposes their back
home. And they mentioned lasa's Spine Institute in that context, like anybody knows
what that is? I think anyone has a first clue. Ah. Yeah,
it's a great place. We should open up up here on Route one.
There were there were lsis around the country. Actually, it was kind
of a a phenomenon there for a little while, which is part of the
Hogan case was that they, you know, would do anything it took to
expand and attract high, high profile clients. All right, So all of
that is to say on the wall it said lass do therapy. So they
show X rays, they show all kinds of activity in this place, and
then there's Hogan with a hairnet and Johnny. They shoot them up. Here
we go, Here we go. Uh no, that's one here. Oh
yeah, that's a ticket. Doc. I can't believe you're here on a
Saturday. Brother. You can be out of your jet, ski and everything.
Man, So you think I'll help me working stand up straight again and
get my balance back and rything? He gets you better. He had these
bones spurs sticking out right here. You fix that. You're not gonna be
like you were when you were twenty. But the idea is to get you
better so you can have a better quality of life. All right, Doc,
that's awesome. Let's get back. That was doctor James Saint Louis right
there. That was mister Saint Louis sitting on bedside with the Holster before laser
spine treatment and a decompression procedure, talking about the pluses and the minuses.
You notice Hogan calls calls him out for coming in on a Saturday. He
does. Guess why they shot on a Saturday, Why so that there wouldn't
be actual normal people in there when they had to get all their fucking cameras
and there and created a big Hollywood scene out of it. There you go.
He credits the doctor for coming in on a Saturday. Well, help,
the only reason this is happening on the Saturday is because your people insistent
on it. Fucking idiot. That's a classic Hulk, right, he's gonna
he's gonna rib you about a circumstance that, like you have to pretend is
organic, but that he actually why are you hearing a Saturday? Yeah?
Hanging and banging? Brother? Didn't that? Jet Ski? Dude? You
know? Fuck live? Brother asked in deposition, Doctor Saint Louis said,
this question, does it refresh your recollection? If I were to tell you
that there was some discussion between Terry and maybe yourself and the LSI folks about
having this surgery done on a Saturday, yep, to avoid yep, a
circus absolutely, yep, absolutely, and to accommodate the cameras for the reality
show. I'm sure that played in it because they wouldn't have been busy that
day, right, But I know they did it just so not as many
people being around, So that's yeah, And that was fine with Terry,
right, Oh yeah, yeah, I don't see. I don't think the
there was any issue with that that I know of. Older I didn't do.
Why are we did broller. Are you that's Savvia right there? Got
it? You got it? So this is Todd Farmer. Okay, what
are you friend to there? He says, well, you know, for
TV stuff and stuff he does for video. I mean that last quarter read
by the way, it's not doctor Saint Louis. Apologies, that was Todd
Farmer as well in deposition. And then the lawyer asks, okay, what
were you Well, here's you know, whenever we do TV, you know,
we fuck dude, I wasn't trying to go there again. Here we
go. Tell me about how the TV business works, Todd, tell me
about what people don't really realize is here's what people don't appreciate here here you
know, here's the thing you know, whenever we do TV, you know,
Terry's always, you know, very insistent that we moves on. You
know people don't realize is that when you're shooting in a real location, you
get people doing doing their jobs. It's not only is it hard to do
their is it difficult to do their jobs? Are we are we in in
position? But also we have to get uh you know, releases of all
the people that are on camera. So it makes it easier, you know,
to do it on an off day. Yeah, the smarts that comes
in, that's that's that's that's how, that's how TV works. I don't
know if you knew that. I don't know. I'm not sure how how
uh you know how uh fluent you are in the language of television. But
you know that's that's how it is free education for you. There. I
was on the house when this one won't be though, hot buddy, right,
you get a sign up from my uh my crash course. Oh god,
hey, listen, do you have any more of this? Uh?
What is this? High noon? It's pretty good. I'm kind of anyone
got any you know, I don't know for a lot to have, you
know, alcohol in in the courtroom, but I could really go first something,
you know? Anyway, are there any micro brewis available? Anyone got
something like in their office? Sir? My name is Will Floren. I'm
representing whole COVID in this case and I appreciate your time here today for the
position. Before we get started, Um, could you please state your name
for the record? Uh? Sure, Todd Farmer And UM, would you
like a beer? That would be great? I brought to you by PAPST.
This fucking lapsed summer. Okay, what were you referring to there,
He's asked. Todd says, well, you know, for TV stuff and
stuff he does for video. I mean, you never know what the whole
purpose of the thing was. Because with wrestling, since we're talking about Terry
at that, sometimes they have with lack of a better word, of soap
opera going on. So if he's trying to work an angle for the camera
going down the road to some other purpose, I don't know what he's doing
for a video. So that's the reason I didn't. It depends on what
the objective was. Got that by that? You mean the reality isn't reality?
Oh? Of course? Right? He says, Well, I mean,
I mean that's that's the that's the internal question in my wrong, in
my right thing, you know, I mean, what is reality? You
know? Do we live in reality or those how to pick him? Doesn't
he do we live in a giant fantasy? Yeah? Hey, all I'm
saying is I don't have the answers. I'll tell you what, you know
what here when it comes down to it, you know, I have to
say, you know, I just live a different lifestyle because I'm around around
Terry all the time. Yeah, we all, we all, we all
should be so lucky to have Terry in our life. It's a lot of
acting. Well yeah, I mean they probably we had to reshoot stuff.
I mean, you know when you do you said we at least yes you
do alright, I mean you know when you do those, just like any
other shooting. But when you do them, they take pictures of everything you
have on. So if we had to come back and do another shoot,
you've got the same watch or the same ring, or the same jeans or
whatever. On objection, Dude, who's shooting? He keeps saying, shoot,
what's going on? Wing in the same jeans? Dude? What dude,
I'm nervous, Hold on, hold on what I mean, I'm nervous.
What writ in the middle of the court rouble. Yeah, I want
to make sure every dude who's shooting on this fucking port. Bro, your
honor is something's a fucking miss right here, dude. I'm just putting out
there, brother, your honor something is a fucking miss here. Dude,
I'm just putting it out there. Brother. The judges like looking at him
like stone face and just like comatose. I'm coming at this thing wide open.
Dude, I'm sitting here, I'm wide open like a fucking box man,
and I'm just wondering what's going on. Yeah, Terry, You're always
just wondering. That's the problem. I'm just wondering. And they prompt us.
So I guess Todd Farmer's point is that you know it's such a production
that you might have to come back and remember what you wore to pick up
a scene where you left off, and you know hours or days have passed,
and they prompt us, well, let's just spice this up, so
let's do this. So yeah, for the reality show, it's not reality.
I mean to a degree it can be. I mean it's real people,
but you has it up. And on cross examination he's asked, but
you're not you're not telling this Jerry. For example, that when the video
shows you and Hulk in your in his truck and the phone rings, and
Hulk says, hey, doctor Saint Louis, you're not telling me that that
phone call didn't take place, are you. No? No, I'm not
telling you that. No. And when Hulk sat down with his daughter,
who I assume he tells the truth too, and says honey, I've got
to pay your mom forty thousand dollars a month, and I've got to pay
for my mother's nursing home fees, and I need some money. It's hold
on, let me finish my question. Sure, I mean, you're not
telling telling us and he says, these are part of the reasons I don't
want a fusion. I mean, you're not saying that Hulk's making that up,
are you. I'm not saying he is or he's not. I mean,
if they were doing it for the TV show, then he may have
had in a situation like that. He may have had they may have had
been hamming it up for the TV I don't know what. I wasn't there
for that, so but for the show, they could have been hamming it
up. I mean, he's just you know, that's that's Terry. Yeah,
I don't know what you're asking me. I mean, I can't expect
you to understand, but just take it from me. It's Terry. Terry
is gonna be Terry. You know, just take it from me that you
know with again, yea, for the uninitiated, it's hard to unrite,
right, that's what we have to you know, there aren't so many of
us who've who've traveled the road with with Terry, you know, And and
Terry's gonna Terry, and Terry doesn't let everybody in, you know. It's
a process to win his trust, you know. And and they're only there
are only a number of us. I consider myself, you know, lucky,
along with Brook and Eric and Eric you know who know Terry for Terry,
Terrytown, Terrytown, New York. Unreal. So that's what fucking Todd
Farmer has to say about all this um and just the very notion of reality.
By the way, these lawyers keep saying forty thousand a month, I
listen to that clip. Pulk doesn't say a month. He just has forty
thousand dollars to your mother and Charlie Charlie Hiller boyfriend. So they're adding the
a month. They're adding the fucking clown, that fucking bass clown is getting
it money from Hulk Hogan. Oh my god, my god. That that's
probably half the reason she's with him is so that she can give him the
money and say, look at this, Terry, you motherfucker's right right into
his pocket. I'm gonna I'm gonna stuff it in his crotch like he's a
Chippendale dancer. Tell you what I'm gonna I'm gonna stuff it down there,
and then I'm gonna fucking give him a hand job when he's gonna come all
over the cash that's now pissed off. She wakes up every day now is
no one gives a fuck anymore? Nope, no one cares about Linda Hogan.
She thought she was like money. Yep. She didn't realize like so
many of us do now that that when you work with Hulk Hogan, you
don't end up better in the end. It wasn't up on the top.
Nope. Ask So back to doctor Saint Louis, who we heard from in
that clip A fast earthquake, Ask any of these guys, Yeah, Iron
Chic Superstar Graham, anyone who's crossed him, Piper Savage, they'll end up
dead before he does. Warrior Brother. It's like he told Nick in that
private jailhouse recorded phone call, like I don't know what was up with that
guy, but he had some weird karma going on with God. You better
believe. That's what he says every single time one of his detractors meets in
early demise and gets he hits an early grave, and Hulk blesses himself and
says something like that under his breath. Back to doctor Saint Louis, who
we heard in that clip, he just played bedside with Hogan talking about with
this, you know, coming in on a Saturday, coming in on a
Saturday. How were your first placed in intact with mister Balaia, Doctor Saint
Louis has asked in a deposition formally in the Laser Spine Institute. He came
in one day for a patient evaluation. Had you known mister bala before that?
We lived on the same street, brother, So yeah, nationwide search
for the best. Yeah right, so much for the Tan guy. We
lived in the same street, and I believe there was some interaction, correct,
what type of interaction. There was a period of time when we went
to Key West with one of our mutual friends, and I just can't remember
if it was what time frame that was. I believe it was somewhere in
late or early oh nine or oh eight. I just don't recall all the
time. Okay, So you were what's that Terry? Okay, So you
were traveling with him or meeting down in Key West with him. We had
a mutual friend, Steve Chapman. I stayed at his house and he was
there. Who's Steve Chapman. Steve Chapman is also a neighbor of IRUs who
lives in Willowdale. Give you a chance to drink your coffee there. Sorry.
How long have you known mister Chapman? I believe since about oh eight?
And do you know what mister Chapman's occupation or businesses? Yes, he
runs the magazine in the DuPont Registry. Do you know how long mister Bala
had known Steve Chapman. Well, probably since the entire time he lived in
that neighborhood, because we all lived in the same little neighborhood. That would
be an estimate. All right, So Steve Chapman is basically a mutual friend
that kind of connected you with Terry Bula. Correct, So this guy's a
neighbor. Yeah, I mean, fuck guys, come on and the DuPont
Registry. I don't know what this is. I think it's like a trade
publication for people in certain fields of medicine. It's like a small publication,
small in terms of like it's at a very it's targeted at a very narrow
readership. When you know this because one of the other folks that offered depositions
in the Laser Spine lawsuit was that one of the directors of marketing at the
institute who took the picture that they took of Hulk sort of endorsing the thing.
Remember how that became a point of controversy. Yeah, as lawyer issued
a letter David Houston saying, you need to cease and assist like publicizing materials
that indicate that Hulk Hogan is really happy with his treatment at Laser Spine.
They took his picture or he signed a document that gave them permission to use
it in publicity, and he even wrote a little hand written you better believe
it says thanks for getting me back on track with the back underlined. Okay,
those documents were submitted as exhibits in the lawsuit as well, and he
quickly recanted that endorsement. But that's the whole point, that that's Laser Spines
whole thing. Like, guys, there's plenty of evidence that he was more
than happy with the outcome until it became expedient for him to blame us for
every lost dollar he ever realized in the past decade. So knowing all that
guests, which was one of the key places they paid for advertising promoting a
laser spine institute. After all this, the DuPont Registry, the big circle,
jerk friends, it always is, always is. According to the records
I've reviewed. The attorney later it tells doctor Saint Louis, it looks like
the surgery was scheduled for Saturday, February twenty eight, two thousand and nine.
So if you want to place what we just heard that was the final
day of February in two thousand and nine. There you go, Wow,
is that confirmed with your recollection? Conform if that's what it's in the records
correct. Do you recall why the surgery was scheduled for Saturday? I do
because he wanted to Terry wanted he was on part of a TV show and
there was all these TV cameras and we felt it would be too disruptive to
our other patients and too complicated with all these TV cameras around, right,
and you were concerned about hippo laws and stuff with patients, other patients around
and things. Yes, if it was the day when we had the cameras
correct. Chief of Surgery, Doctor James Saint Louis looks normal Trump koif white,
blonde hair fine, sitting with the Hulkster. So hulks like, so
you think it'll like we just heard help me where I can stand up straight
again and get my balance back and everything. And He's kind of like,
no, never said that, no reason to expect that. But I'm sure
they'll edit me saying in that anyway, and they do. What does he
say? Play that again? What did they What did they excerpt? Doctor
Saint Louis saying about the hopes, the reasonable hopes for this surgery. An
let me get er and listen for if it sounds inserted in post or if
it sounds edited. Oh yeah, that's the ticket. Doc. I can't
believe you're here on a Saturday. Brother. You can be out your jet
ski and everything. Man, So you think it'll help me work and stand
up straight again and get my balance back and or anything gets you better?
Everyday stopped gets you better, gets you better. That's not what he said
in response to that question. That's such a non sequitur of the way that
conversation was flowing. Come on, get you better, that's what you say
when you can't say this is going to fix you, which is basically what
is being argued here is that Hulk was told he was going to fix him.
That's what all of the people in his but no, No, the
closest they can get is this sort of out of what sounds to my ear
like an out of context repurposing of a sound bite where Saint Louis says get
you better, and and talking to the the VP of Patient Experience later in
cross examination, they ask him, I want to be clear. I want
to clear up one thing kind of just from my own understanding, when you
were present for those meetings, I guess the first meeting in February, were
you ever noticed you never overheard doctor Saint Louis or doctor Gruber tell mister Balaia
that we were going to or we are going to fix your back. Did
you ever hear that? No, sir, I've never heard any of my
surgeons ever tell that. I think you were saying you've never I've never heard
any of our surgeons talk to a patient saying that we were going to fix
their back. Big difference, Boss, between fix and get you better.
Don't you think here that way? Oh brother, as you said you'd fix
no, no what. So Saint Louis is showing him X rays. You
have these phones birds sticking out right here? Can you fix that? He
says, You're not going to be like you were when you're twenty. Like
we just heard about the ideas to get you better so you can have a
better quality of life. We'll get you better. So all right, they
reached understand, Doctor Sat Loui says, let's get back there and start the
process. Let's start the procedure. And here's an excerpt from Jennifer Bolea her
deposition about this time. They ask her who's in the room, you know,
when these consultations are happening between the Holkster and Laser Spine Institute. She
says, there were a couple of other people. I don't remember who.
They seemed like doctors, but I don't know who they were. Okay,
So we had the people in the suits, doctor Saint Louis and a couple
of other nurses or whoever they may have been, and he just said that
he doesn't need a fusion. Jennifer Ballet's testimonies that Hulkogan was told directly he
doesn't need a fusion. Alright, one of the other people made the statement
that they have more people come into Laser Spine requesting to get their fusion removed.
That concerned us, and then we started to have some fear. So
once we felt fearful about the fusion, we began to second guess that surgery
that was scheduled for the next day. When a surgeon looks you in the
eye and tells you you don't need a fusion, we can fix you with
a little minute incision, you tend to believe them. Huh. We were
rather confused, but we thought maybe we should do this. Okay, was
there any discussion because obviously at this point you have somebody saying you need a
fusion and another doctor saying you don't need a fusion. Very confusing. I
mean, for quite some time, statements were made by various people at Laser
Spine. The surgery will help, Okay, no, no, now,
the surgery will help, Okay, Well we're on surgery number four. Okay,
well you need just one more. So in a way, we were
just kept holding out and just holding out to that hope because this fusion was
kind of made out to be this big, terrible thing that you could end
up paralyzed, or you know, it's awful recovery time or whatever, you
know bad, you know, trying to elicit fear in us over this that
we trusted and believed in those particular people, that whole group, that this
was the route we need to go. But what you just said actually helped
trigger something. She says later. I do remember doctor Saint Louis at one
point, and I believe it might have been the second or third surgery,
saying there's nothing more I can do for you here, and so we think,
now what. Then magically, out of the woodwork, another doctor out
of LSI approaches us. I think it might have been doctor Scott, but
I don't remember exactly. And then we had two or three more so after
being told by doctor Saint Louis, I can't help you anymore, there's nothing
more I can do for you than we keep going over at laser spine.
Big fucking thumbs up, big fucking thumbs up. All that'll take is one
more baby, that's right, that's right. What Hulk is holding out hope
he doesn't have know to go this big invasive surgery, and of course he
does. So that's the crux of his argument as if if he was given
proper advice from Elisa in the beginning, he could have actually been mending off
the more invasive surgery. All those months he wasted putting himself into further torture
by pretending he could burn these spurs off and be fine, or at least
fine enough. That's problem. So yeah, that's um, that's pretty different
perspectives that when we hear from doctor Saint Louis and what Jennifer bala testifies that
that they were told relative to what they should be fearful. Basically, she
makes it sound like they're trying to scare Hulk kind of having a fusion as
opposed to like, this is an alternative method that might actually achieve most of
the effects you want without having to undergo that. So it's a question of
what did they Did they scare Hulk into not want to have a fusion,
or did they think that they proposed this as an alternative The head of patient
relations guy we've quoted, did you do you recall over hearing anything about that.
Mister Balaa said around that May two thousand and ninth surgery about his condition
leading up to the surgery. No. Do you recall either doctor Scott or
Doctor Saint Louis saying anything about his condition, mister Blair's condition leading up to
that surgery. No. And did mister Bela tell you how he was doing
leading up to that surgery? Mister bala always said he was doing well.
Yes, okay. Did he always appear to be doing well? He never
appeared to be doing well. Okay. I think he walked in pain.
I think he lives in pain pretty much. That's a testimony. That's hal
Cogan Roller. Okay, at the time that you saw him. Would you
have been through your association with Laser Spine Institute before and a half of the
surgeries, Yes, sir, And he always appeared to be in pain to
you. Yes. Doctor Saint Louis's son was also involved with the Laser Spine
Institute, not a doctor, but involved in kind of the administration of the
practice. And he also offered some testimony on deposit. One of the things
that's recalled. They ask anything else on the fourth floor about what could be
done for mister Balaia clinically, as they're talking about meetings that happened in the
fourth floor of Laser spine, which I understand is right next to the cafe.
Sure. The conversation specifically I do recall with him is I don't know
how much relief we can give you, but just as with anyone, we're
willing to give it a shot, and that we don't believe you'll be any
worse. Afterwards, did they talk about timetables, you know, if there's
relief when they could expect relief. No, they didn't talk specifically about it,
he said within You know, I recalled Terry saying that I just want
one more year in the ring, and doctor Gruber said, I don't think
we can give you another year in the ring. Wow. So they either
overpromised or underpromise, depends who you believe. Back to Jennifer, has he
wrestled since the surgery that doctor Uribe did this is the fusion? Oh gosh.
I mean he hasn't done anything that I can that I would say is
detrimental, because you know, there's the sting matchup pound for glory. Yes,
to pretend she doesn't remember. He hasn't been extremely physical. I mean,
I don't know if he wants to. If he wanted to, I'm
not sure if he could he knows the answer to that. This is what
I can tell you. Since the fusion, he's been a different person as
far as he's been happier, he's been comfortable, Jennifer, when you go
in there, brother, just you know, really trying to emphasize that I'm
I'm just so much better to be around. It's so much more pleasant to
deal. I'm just happier, you know. And don't tell him we coached
you at all for this, That's all right. Since the fusion, he's
been a different person as far as he's been happier. He's been comfortable,
more active, and he's been able to work out and do things that he
wants to do, simple things in life. When we were going through LSI
surgeries, he couldn't do sitting, sleeping, standing. There was even a
point in time when I had to feed him. So after the fusion there's
been a huge improvement. So my personal feeling is that it's helped tremendously.
Let me ask you, I'm going to read this side him and tell me
if you think it's fictional or entertainment. Jennifer and I have been living.
This is later from the book A Hulkug and second book, which the lawyer
kind of brilliantly reads from. During the course of this case, Jennifer and
I have been living at the Big House on Willidy Elbot, where Linda owns
half the house. It was part of the divorce settlement and I had to
mortgage to my house to pay Grozziano. So we know we have to sell
the house very soon. And I don't see it as a loss though.
I see it as just another step in the big plan. Truly as is
the two of us are together to the size and location of the place to
live won't matter. He's being honest and truthful there, and Jennifer, I
can't say she answered me. I can't answer that for him. I know
that sounds crazy to some people, but believe me, it's anything but crazy,
because Jennifer is the love of my life, he writes, and soon
to be my wife. One hundred percent accurate. There. She says,
your words. Lawyer says, well, it's his words. Jennifer says,
you're saying that. How fucking bizarre is this? Wow? Hogan being talked
now being whisked through the Laser Spine Institute Here in this episode, in a
Johnny his back hurts, he's grunting, he's making noises. One point one
of the depositions, he's asked, was there anything about his back that predisposition
of further injury if he went back to wrestling Based on the artritis in his
back, a traumatic blow would probably cause cause more pain or cause debilitating pain
where he may not be able to function from time to time, so the
stakes are high. We see a clock on the wall all indicating that Hulk
is under the knife for undergoing surgery. Here they show Jennifer and Brooke being
concerned and being told in a half hour we should be able to go see
him, hoping he's okay. He's behind closed doors. They are not filming
the surgery itself, of course, that would be insane. I think they
I don't know. I think they play sounds that's supposed to be Hogan grunting
in the o R. I think that's what we hear. We here's some
kind of noise. Yeah, he's yeah. And then Glenn Brook's friend calls
her and wait, no, no, I don't have that you have.
I only have the Hogan stuff. No, no, Glenn, yes,
So she tells him that Holk was in a good mood this morning. It's
said to get his back fixed, and Glenn says, the dancers are kicking
butt back here and we're ready when you come back, and he'll kick butt.
We know it. Then back to the surgery center, Doctor Saint Louis
steps out, walks up to Brooke and Jennifer and says, he's okay.
Yea. They say he's okay, hey, so he should be fine.
Oh my god, thank you so much. I can't I can't thank you.
Thank you, okay, thank you. I think we should go scout
him out right now. Are you okay? Oh, don't push, don't
push. You look like you're doing fine. Immediate relief. Soon as I
it's all I'm doing that. I could tell it was like the pressure was
off power. But they said that they took out a little punk, a
bone that was pinching off your nerve down to your leg. Are your legs
still numb? No, this little square here was always noun nounced, not
numb at all. It doesn't sound like grounds for a lawsuit yet. M
hm um. I loove how they played it up like there's a chance was
gonna die in this surgery. He's fine. It's like you didn't operate in
his heart. Doctor, you did like a blation on his on his spinal
column, And yeah, I guess that sounds dangerous, but I don't know.
I I don't know that there's actually a concerned that he's not gonna be
fine. Just whether it works or not, it's the question. But at
least right away, Hulk right there on camera saying, um, this is
amazing. You know there was a patch on his leg that was numb.
It's not numb anymore. That doesn't help his case. Let's scrub this from
the internet, brother mum. But he's there and he says, immediate relief
is the word. And uh so they took off little hunk of bone and
was pinching on the nerve down to your legs. So that's why he's feeling
relief. And again that makes it comment about the little square and now it's
not numb at all. Back at the house, Hulk is walking with his
arms around Brook and Jennifer. He needs help getting around still, which is
kind of telling the story exactly. Your feet are swollen. Careful, please
are you okay? Thank you so much for taking care of my dad.
Absolutely, I'll take love you daddy, I have to go out, plea,
be out. That's a normal sound, I'll say. Hulk, Hulk
in the throes of post operative psychosis, I guess you could say. But
he doesn't look he doesn't look so good. And that's the point, is
that, you know, if you read through the depositions, like he'd get
these laser spine treatments, and especially in the beginning, he'd be good for
a little while there, right, the relief would last a while, but
it would come back hard and then putt it by Like the sixth one or
whatever it was. It was like the relief on the last like an hour
after this big procedure. It's like, Okay, someone's full of shit here.
Somebody is full of shit. But there's the Hulk and this uh todd
farmer shows up here as a guy in the background helping them in to the
house. Slick Eric wats a little bit, if you ask me, that's
not good. And it's just it's sad to see Hulk like in this state
already after a procedure that's supposed to make him feel better, but all it
is is the meds. Like the cynic would say, the only reason he
walks out of there feeling great. Is because he still hopped up on the
medicine that of course locks the pain. It has nothing to do with the
procedure, exactly, agreed. Well, if Hulk is, if Hulk is
indisposed down in Tampa, brother or clear Water, wherever he is, and
this thing's gotta get dialed in and he needs that backup brother when the thing
comes to his bedside. I think there's only one person who can come to
the bedside, hope not that one. Uh. Oh by the way,
oh by the way, Oh god, I forgot. I made this listen
because of the music. Listen. I thought Cocker took it down. Play
it again and is a so awesome here, here's here's the bite, here's
the real thing here. Hey, jan you how he feeling? He's laying
down in this bedroom? Yeah you go, Hey, Hey, maybe I
got you some flowers brnna be flowers by nothing in here. He's flating the
room up a little bit. I thought it'd be nice, but the hell
it was nice. But I'm not your damn girlfriend, and go to your
feminine side. What are you talking about? Who kind of drugs you on?
How cranky are you? Geez? It's not looking. Let's fight you
some patron too. Oh there you go, thank you. Well, how
was it having tried to walk around a little bit? I mean, is
it sure? I actually walked on the doctor's office after the surgery. He
walked right out of Really, that's what the slazer stuff is. But then
whatever they gave me war off. It's almost like the weight on my body
pushing down on my spine made it hurt so bad. So take it easy,
no, I mean, seriously, you know they sit in a couple
of weeks. I'll be all right, so I'll be ready to go.
Oh he sounds ready, yeah right, it sounds like he's in a great
place. Nobs, like, that's what we need. I mean, you
remember this all started with us waking up on wrestling any week and you haven't
liked the sleep in your eyes and me recording you saying I'm doing an almost
brother, And here we get a look at what Hulk's face actually looks like
in that state with Knobs at bedside, right, exactly as as forecasted,
exactly as envisioned, I should say, So that's something you get out of
this episode for sure. As Knobs is tapping a bouquet of flowers near Hulk's
head to wake him up. The fuck you bring me flowers for such nasal?
So yeah, a little bit of banter back and forth between these two
lifelong chums or career along chums, and uh yeah, it looks like Hulk's
going to be great in a couple of weeks. I'm sure he'll feel a
lot better. I'm sure. Flashback to Brooksdan Studio, Miami. She's back
on the scene and reports that the Hulkster's bedridden and she's stressed out about it.
But the shows tomorrow and need to get this work in and it's one
of the biggest shows of her life. She's being told she was born to
perform, so she's of course a dance number where she throws her boy toy
on the ground, et cetera. Oh, I think I actually you know
what I think I do? Have this one took five six seven. Go.
You know that I love your babe. Come on, let's take a
clothes off, right, yes, but there's gotta be more intensity and like
your eyes and when you throw him down, go go from the start again.
You know that I love you. Come on, let's clothes off.
Are you guys, let's start so awful. It's so awful. It's just
so like formulaic and like, I don't know, just to see it broken
down like that, just laid bare like that just makes it sound so pathetic.
It is pathetic. No, that's exactly what it is. It is
absolutely pathetic. She says, how I'm gonna remember all this. It's a
lot of choreography. I'm thinking it runs in the blood Brook choreography, right,
That's what that's. That's you should be second nature. I wonder if
she's going to push through herself doubt and shine in the end. I'll have
to see. Oh, I don't know. I'm nervous. She's now she's
gonna have a breakdown. And Glenn says, you know you're going in the
right direction here, but she's so overwhelmed. Right now. She goes and
sits in a van so you can be with herself and her anxiety as they
play I should you not hardcore? Holly's music is any go down alcohol and
come on bitch. A long time since we heard that one, the oldie,
But a good isn't it? Oh? Man? About one of those
what the fuck can't forget? That's generic music they used for Hardcorewley. It's
the Wrong coming down yep, just like the Heart He's coming into aw and
they can use their ww theme. It's just funny that they would, uh
that, that they would choose that music. I know remember hearing on Spike
too during commercial breaks. Sure like going into a commercial. So it's apparently
pretty popular generic music in the TV production world. Yeah, um, and
there it is. And they play that music to a limousine suddenly pulling up
to the location of this music festival that Brooke Hogan's about to perform att And
what do we see? What's the first thing we see emerged from the limo
a crutch that's right and blue and boom with blue band in and the Bubba
Army T shirt. The Hulster steps out to fulfill the part of the um
episode script where he's well enough to go to the concert after all, even
though he can't even move, or even if he's not well enough, he's
he's he's doing, he's he's going there. This is just like him showing
up for Brooke and the and the wedding with Bully Ray at the last minute,
of course, to walk her down the aisle No, that's really got
the idea from you know, do you do this in the show? Brother?
That's probably a good call right there. I wonder if we could do
this again. Dude, kind of works, you know. You know it's
you wonder if I can be there for my daughter in the end, and
you know cannot do it. Brother, don't get that moment you know there
he is, she comes up to him. You're supposed to be laying down.
I had to come see you. I got it. What made you
come down? Yeah, that's it. I'm here. I just feel so
guilty because you spent all your time in the hospital trying to help me out,
and I found out you only had one day rehearsal. I'm freaking out.
Okay. Instead of being here rehearsing and taking care of business, you
would take care of me. That's not cool. It's because I love you.
As soon as I get out of the car and saw you, it
didn't hurt that limma ride. Well, let me tell you something. Jennifer
is a real good nurse. I bet she's a good nurse. So I'm
excited to be here. This is this could be Brook's largest audience. We're
all here to support you. It's actually time to go. We gotta get
going. Seriously, thank you for coming. I really I can't believe you're
here. We have to go down I love you though, I love you
here. Will you please be down front? I'll be right there perfect.
I love you. Yeah. It makes such a big deal about that,
you know, about her overcoming her fear and shit, she's not a great
dance. It's fine, she's adequate, she's fine, but like you know,
if i'd be afraid if I were her, Yeah, for sure,
with no time to learn the routine or anything like that. That voice we
just heard, oh yeah, yeah, those overcoming those odds were real.
But everything in the doctor's office was totally fake. I got it. Actually,
um Cecil Barker was the voice you heard there quickly. He's the CEO
of Soby Entertainment, which was the record label that Brooke was signing to at
this juncture of her career. And it was his son, also known as
Stax, who Brooke was going out with for a little bit of period of
time. And that's the guy that Hulk makes the reference to and the sex
tape is. You know, if if Brook's going to go out with a
you know, racial slur, then I wish it was a millionaire basketball player
or wherever insensitive, crazy fucking shit he said about him. But this is
this is two poetic man At the conclusion of TNH, we actually lay eyes
on them, those characters that were so sort of central to Hulk not quite
being able to put it all behind him after succeeding in the Gawker trial,
and here they are just standing around planting seeds that would sprout in a very
negative way for the Hulkster, but they're still in the sauce here in two
thousand and nine, I think this was and of course Hulk was airing out
Heather in two thousand and seven, so that's where that pillow talk came from.
So clearly this is on the other side of whatever huge beef Brooke and
Hulk had about the future of her music career. Now clearly she's in Hulks
corner over Linda's their episodes of Brookno's Best where she sort of has these very
like truncated brief conversations with her mother on the phone, and you could tell
that the mom wasn't really into starring in the Brookno's Best series, the same
way the Hulkster was, and she had made a choice. There's only one
choice to make, you know. Of course, Hulker Linda was, I
want to go anywhere, I'm gonna stick with the Hulkster. And so there
he is. This is going to be huge, he says of Brooke,
because this could be Brooks's largest audience. To take total crook vibes from this
guy, I have to say, totally sold a million dreams to a million
marks. You can tell she's just the latest. Brooke just can't believe he's
here, and gives him a kiss and to a million marks and made a
million bucks and never given it away, that's correct, and kept it all
for himself. So the festival and their flags waving, and Glenn is coaching
her through the routine, and Brooke is introduced on stage and Hulk is standing
in amongst the masses with his fist pumping in the crowd, with his fucking
crutch like it's the like it's the immortal heel turn angle falling at the crutch,
and she's got her pole on the stage, okay, her stripper pole,
and she says, what the fuck was that? Where's that from?
Answer the question? That's a famous movie scream called the Wilhelm screen Play it
again and help play Hulk making the sexual noises. The other one, the
one, the one that you took from the episode of him oh, the
the grunting. Play that with the other one. The family feud music Ready,
one Go Down is a one two cinema on the fucking anti crow.
I've done alcohol and I've done marijuana. I ain't a lot cinema. One
two frinoli. Great thing has come to those who wait, ha ha ha
doing live. You're crowds fomed at the crowd one two frinoli, an absolute
toward the force. I couldn't be happier to finish tenah with that eiveing.
That's the greatest gift. What a stupid fucking journey the fuck. Oh god.
So she does her dance and saying I want to see you stripped from
me, and they pop and she points out my dad just had back surgery
and he's standing right there, lifts his crutches, He's standing there like no
problem with his back surgery. Olster still gets the biggest pop of the night.
Of course, Oh my god. Seriously, later on, after the
show, you killed it, seryk, you killed it. Are you?
Okay? What are you doing on this decision? One day? Rehears all
that drama and stress and look at you know, not pulling it off.
I've worked with a lot of artists and they can't even do that, and
you did that one day. Thank you. I can't. Well, you
were there for all the surgery, you so much. And they go hand
to hand, the whole crew there and they do the hands together and chant
together, and perhaps for one fleeting moment for Hulk and his family, things
were in fact back on track. But we close with the significance of all
this, and we close with the significance of much more. Boss, I'd
ask you to read the following, and I'd ask you to read in Hulkogan's
voice, and I'll tell you why. Okay. This is an affidavit filed
in the lawsuit against Laser's Spine Institute by a doctor by the name of Wellington
K. Hussu. And this is this is basically terry puppeteering. Yeah,
he's gonna help us sue all. We just heard the seemingly hugely positive outcome
for Cogan undergoing the laser spine treatment, being able to make brook show and
getting the feeling back in that patch of his leg and everything he said,
and he'll be fine in a couple of weeks and all that shit and Jennifer
jerking him off in the limousine or whatever he's talking about. Yeah, Yeah,
this is what it comes down to. This is what all that stuff
ended up filtered through when it came time to line up another payday in the
court of law for the Huxter. When we leave you with this, the
affidavit of Wellington KHISU and I don't want you to picture a doctor by that
name. I mean to picture a puppet by that name with Hulk Hogan's hand
up his ass saying the following. Before me, the undersigned authority personally appeared
Wellington KY to Sue MD, who, upon first being first duly sworn,
deposes and says, Number one, I'm over the age of twenty one years,
competent to give this opinion and with personal knowledge of the facts and opinions
contained here. Number two, I am a physician licensed to practice medicine in
the state of Illinois, and I'm bored certified in orthopedic surgery by the American
Board of Orthopedic Surgery. Number three. I have been involved in the full
time, active and clinical practice of medicine and specially specifically orthopedic spine surgery for
the past five years and beyond and including the dates involved in this case.
I have extensive experience providing care to patients with conditions similar to Terry Balaia as
discussed below. Let's jump to number seven. All Right Brother accord number seven.
According to the records and materials reviewed, Balaya underwent an MRI on February
second, two thousand and nine, which revealed that he was suffering from multiple
thoracic and lumbar spinal abnormalities including peno limited to lumbard degenerative scoliosis, spondelio Gazazi
theses at L four five, severe spinal stenosis at multiple lumber lumbar lumber levels
thank Josh style lumbar levels, multiple bulging discs, severe central stenosis at several
levels, disk generation and multi level nerve root compression. Number eight. Subsequently,
on February twenty fifth, two thousand and nine, and based on Balaia's
MRI findings, complaints of worsening and severely debilitating back pain and history of conservative
treatments, no longer being effective. Doctor Juan Ariba from the University of South
Florida correctly offered Balaya surgical options including anterior inter body fusion with supplemental posterior instrumentation.
Per doctor Ariba's record, Balaya definitely did not want conservative treatment as an
option. Accordingly, Bala agreed to proceed with the procedure. Is my opinion
that this procedure is supported by the evidence based literature and would have provided him
with the best opportunity to achieve long term solution the underlying problems spinal instability,
Spondeliothi thesis, scoliosis, spinal stenosis, and decreased dis hyde that were causing
his severe lumbar spine related symptoms. It appears that Bala initially agreed to undergo
the fusion procedure as recommended by doctor Riba number nine on February twenty fifth,
two thousand and nine, and based on a referral from a Steve from a
Steve Chapman, Bala presented to Laser Spine Institute LLC, where he was consulted
by James Saint Louis d O and others for another opinion and discuss options that
Laser Spine Institute could offer him for his lumbar spine related complaints. During the
examination, Balaya provided a history to Laser Spine that he had tried multiple conservative
measures to try to resolve his symptoms, but that he continued to have constant
pain and symptoms on a level of ten out of ten, ten ten,
ten, brother, ten, Yes, they see that. Now, now
I see what you did. Saint Louis specifically noted that all prior conservative measures
had failed and A Balaya was already scheduled to undergo a multi level lumbar fusion.
Therefore, he was aware that Balaya was already deemed a fusion candidate.
The conservative measures need by Saint Louis as being attempted by Balaya included physical therapy,
traction, traction, acupuncture, lumbar ablations, and chiropractic techniques number ten.
Both the records and the testimonies jested on February twenty fifth, two thousand
and nine, Saint Louis and others acting on behalf of the Laser Spine Institute
were aware of Balaza's desire to return to his professional activities as a professional wrestler
rapidly, and that they use this desire as well as the fear of what
could happen during a multi level fusion and convincible they had to forego his previous
decision to undergo the already scheduled surgery, which Alisi termed in their records as
extensive and last resort, in favor of their one level endyscopic decompression surgery and
nerve root ablations at several levels. The testimony reviewed makes it clear that Balaia,
in no uncertain terms, made it clear that he was seeking a second
opinion on the effectiveness of a fusion to allow him to return to his work
as a professional wrestler, that he had a limited time to become physically able
to perform as a wrestler, and he was seeking treatment with this his goal
in mind. Per the testimony reviewed, it is clear that bala was told
by the surgeons actually on behalf of the Laser Spine Institute, including doctor Saint
Lewis, that they could get him back to wrestling quickly and in an event,
quicker than would be the case if he decided to follow through with a
fusion. There is no record of the initial consultation with Balia in the Laser
Spine Institute chart, which indicates that they advised against the return of wrestling for
him or that they person entered their endoscopic Lombard decompression of surgeries to him as
an additional conservative measure to be performed before he submits. Brother. Dude,
I'm not no, dude, I'm not submitting brother to a fusion terry,
not to an opponent. I must, dude, I don't know who Fusion
is. Dude, I must submit to him either. Brother. Fusion Media
Ventures. They almost bought WCWE number eleven after being convinced to do so by
Doctor Saint Louis or Saint Louis and others acting on behalf of the Laser Spine
Institute. Balaya agreed to allow the Laser Spine Institute's surgeons to perform multiple ineffective
procedures between February two thousand and nine in August two thousand and ten, as
follows, a thermal oblation of the bilateral facet joint nerves and lumbar hemi laminectomy
with four menotomy by Saint Louis and Kevin Scott, MD. On February twenty
eight, two thousand and nine, b thermal oblation of the left para vertebral
facet joint nerve at L two three and lumbar lambisset lambinectomy with four of anatomy
including partial factomi fasectomy and nerve root DECOMSI slip that one in there and nerves
fruit decompression with percutaneous license of adhesions and caudal epidural steroid injections. Brother,
dude, dude, look I bad to get injected with steroids. What a
long art, brother, And I'm not a steroid abuser. Put that in
there, Doctor Sue by Saint Louis and Scott on May twenty first, two
thousand and nine. See Endoscopic surgical Risotomy's of the fast joints by Scott on
October twelfth, two thousand and nine. Is it Tony sensing something? He'd
say in this Carni language, Brother, I'm an endoscopic surgical dude, Got
that right? I'll weekend d L three four percutaneous dissectomy on May twenty seven,
two thousand and ten. By Zultan Perserker d O E L four slash
five persetaneous desectomy with lisnis of adhesions on June thirty A, twenty ten by
Barewski Dude and f L two slash three persetaneous desectomy with lysis of adhesions on
August twelfth, two thousand and ten by Berzekind Dude. In no way could
any of these procedures reasonably be seen as by any reasonable prudent and competent spine
surgeon as having any potential to provide any measure of relief to Belaya based upon
his self reported symptoms and the content condition of his lumbar spine at all times
during his care at the Laser's Spine Institute Number twelve. In reality, any
reasonable prudent and competent spinal surgeon would or should note that the procedures proposed to
Belaya by Doctor Saint Louis and those actually on behalf of the Laser Spine Institute
in two thousand and nine twenty ten, would more likely than not never provide
him with any significant or long lasting relief based on his self reported symptoms at
the time of the consultation. They also knew or should have known that the
only procedures that would have had any reasonable probability are providing significant relief for the
symptoms described by Balaya, would be a procedure to fix all of the structural
defects in his lumbar spine. Now this includes those which would eliminate his compressed
nerve roots caused by scoliosis and degenerative disc disease, and those procedures that could
address his central stenosis and eliminate his lumbar instability caused by his spondylidosis. This
would necessarily have required a multi level fusion procedure Number thirteen. Nonetheless, even
though it should have been obvious to doctor st. Lewis and the Laser Spine
Institute, physicians involved all in Balaya's care at the Laser Spine Institute that the
treatment they were providing him was going and continue to be ineffective. They prolonged
this treatment and at no time recommended lumbar fusion. There is no evidence that
they provided any counseling at any time to Balaya regarding the option of the lumbar
fusion to address his lumbar instability and spinal stenosis. In fact, it appears
that they continue to advise Balaya for the next nineteen months and through six clearly
unnecessary and futile surgeries that they could help him. Number fourteen you know,
based upon the information contained within the records, images, and depositions that I've
reviewed, Saint Louis and Laser Spine Institute were not only negligent in the care
and treatment of Balaya, but they were grossly negligent in the sense that they
were egregiously offered unreasonable surgical recommendations and later acting unreasonably and performing the recommended surgeries
as doing so was so wanting in care that had constituted a conscious disregard for
Balaya's well being, in best interests and their care. Their quote care and
quote medical counseling gave no chance for any meaningful recovery. Specifically, doctor Saint
Louis and the Laser's Spine Institute acted egregiously and grossly negligent. As follows a
talking Balay out of the previously agreed to and scheduled lumbar fusion surgery that would
have been best for him and which provided him with the best opportunity to achieve
his goals of returning to work as a wrestler, and at the same time
convincing him that the procedures provided by Laser Spine Institute would eliminate his pain and
would allow him to return to work as a wrestler, and a quicker amount
of time. B actually performing all the procedures six in total over a nineteen
month period of time on Balay at which Saint Louis and Laser spine knew or
should have known, could not provide Balaya with any discernible relief. C failing
to refuse that to treat Balaya endoscopically, and failing to tell him that a
lumbar fusion was a better option for him. D blatantly misleading Buoya to believe
that the procedures that were proposed could provide him long term relief for his symptoms.
E continued to perform procedures for Balia which were known or which he should
have known, to not be capable of providing any significant long term relief under
the circumstances of his case, and which he had had to fit and which
had to fail to previously provide relief. And f not addressing Bala's spinal instability,
spinal stenosis, and disspaced loss as a part of his treatment plan,
G failing to recommend lumbar fusion, and H being being motivated by the best
interests of the Laser Spine Institute, including those of its marketing and advertising over
the interests of the patient in obtaining honest, competent and reliable medical advice and
care and treatment Number fifteen. As a result of this negligence, Balaya's ability
to obtain a functional recovery from his debilitating symptoms were delayed within a reasonable degree
of medical probability, and based upon his recovery from his lumbar fusion that took
place in December twenty ten, it is clearly that had the Laser Spine Institute
and Saint Louis acted reasonably and had they made the proper recommendation for an open
fusion procedure as recommended by doctor Arriba, Belaya's recovery would have occurred much earlier,
and he would probably been able to resume his wrestling career as early as
three months from surgery sixteen. This Affidavid is not intended to be my full
and complete opinion. It is only intended to apprize the court in summary fashion
the basic points of my opinion and who advise the chord of the egregious and
grossly negligent nature of the care provided by doctor Saint Louis and the Laser Spot
Institute. I anticipate that my trial testimony will be more detailed on these issues,
and it will cover medical issues in addition to those discussed here in seventeen.
Laser Spine Institute LLC and Saint Louis was grossly negligent in the care and
treatment of Blay Dude. They should have never offered him and enescopic one level
unilateral lumbardi compression because his symptoms at the time and the lumbar issues were far
more extensive or complex than this procedure could have ever been addressed. Furthermore,
Dude, after one unsuccessful enoscopic procedure, they should not have proceeded with the
recommendation for additional civil operations man that predictably failed. They should have either offered
to him effusion surgery or send him to a practice that could have performed that
procedure In staid, LSI and Saint Louis disregarded Ballet as well being and swayed
him away from the surgery he needed in favor of the six surgeries Dude,
which could never have helped him. I have never had any opinions disqualified in
any administrative forum brother, court of law or other proceedings. Nor have I
ever been disqualified as an expert witness. I have never been found guilty of
fraud or perjury in any jurisdiction. Dude, this number nineteen. This is
my true and verified opinion, Brother, on our penalties of perjury. I
declare that I have read the foregoing, and that the facts stated in it
are true. Santis Production its contents is intended for private use only