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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with
Jack and Corn Seo and JP Sorrows the

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LAPS fans get all my years rustling, I never seen anything like it,

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and it's the LAPS fan name by
the one in the ring to get about

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the slatter with the real king of
swing when the bell goes in and then

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kick like me Tron in the corner
of a splash like stay. Even Jerry

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King can say, go off the
clown nodding his head like hiss D low

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brown, which you get low down
and even high up, flip you on

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your head, but you know COO
driving you speaking more knowledge, Dragon spits

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fire, keep you more shocked than
the head tree tires drop a more truth

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than the kind of sniper less you
with a coconut, Roddy Piper checking JPB

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like j y D drop the cupcakes
and golden the brain by means the best

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podcast fun start to close round.
If y'all us we have ways of making

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things materialize here at the Lapse Fan
Wrestling Podcast. It's key part of why

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we've gone so strong and so long
and so hard for almost a decade now,

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and certainly TNH Total NonStop Hogan is
no exception, you know, when

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we came to the point in the
journey where we realized that there is,

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just, for some mysterious reason,
an episode of Hogan's daughter's reality show,

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Brooke Knows Best that seems to have
completely vanished from the internet entirely. Just

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all these folks proclaiming that they have
the Torrent, with all the files that

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you could ever need. Every single
one of them had every episode of Brookno's

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Best except season two, of course, there were only two seasons. Episode

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ten Hulks Surgery, right, there
are fingerprints of this episode all over the

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Internet, so it's clear it existed. Certainly, I remember watching it when

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I watched the show week to week
when it first came out. But in

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the context of TN, in the
context of all the controversy we covered around

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Hulk Hogan's back, getting it back
on track, and the fact that he

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sued the Laser Spine Institute for putting
him through one too many paces. As

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it regards a noninvasive or at least
what is supposed to be a noninvasive back

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procedure that's supposed to be one stop
short of effusion, which of course is

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a much more invasive surgery with much
longer heel time. Yeah, it's just

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it's just amazing how much of the
sort of source of truth seemed to revolve

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around this episode of this reality show
that disappeared. And so, as always,

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you know, we decried it out
loud. We decried the lack of

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access to what we wanted, what
we needed. When when you tell children

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they can't have something, you know
how that goes exactly And well, I'll

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let you take a fucking gas as
to whether or not it finally was delivered

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to the doorstep of the co chairs. I'll give you a guess as to

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whether or not we have for you
This week on TLF, the Lost episode

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Hulk Surgery, Brooke knows best,
I mean thoughts when this happened. I

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mean yeah, I was just like, I was like, holy shit,

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pretty much. I mean part of
me was surprised it happened. So I

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mean, let me move it this
way. Yeah. I wasn't surprised at

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all that we got access to this, not at all. I knew it

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would happen at some point, that's
it. I was surprised at how fast

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it happened. Surprise, it happened
at such a poetic moment, just as

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we are putting those finishing touches and
flourishes and really looking to bring home what

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it is, if anything, we
learn from doing TNHL year and suddenly Kurt,

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you know who you are out there
in the lapsed fan solar system messages

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as messages us with basically a link
and says something to the effect of t

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H is over. When I say
it's over, that's exactly fucking correct.

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That's exactly fucking correct. So in
a post post PostScript episode here, we're

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going to finally put a bow on
this thing, dude, and we're going

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to take in what in fact aired
on this long lost episode. I mean

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there were exhibits filed in the Hull
Coogan lawsuit against Laser Spine Institute where it's

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just hours and hours of raw footage
from the filming of this reality show because

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it's just so germane to this case. I mean, there are reality television

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show cameras in the doctor's offices,
as we will see you depicted on this

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episode. I mean not only that, but it's just like watching it and

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I told you this, I told
you this off the air like it was.

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It's surreal. It's surreal watching these
guys talk about the ship that was

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described in the lawsuit. Right,
Yeah, we read the entire Hull Coogan

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deposition and halfway through TNH to give
you a sense, because he starts undergoing

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these laser spine treatments, which is
essentially like a you try to burn off

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the part of the spine that's inflamed
and causing pressure on the nerve from what

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I gathered, and that's supposed to
be a way to you know, not

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fix someone's spine like a whole Cogan
who clearly had scoliosis, but uh,

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to at least relieve the pain such
that they can resume a normal life without

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all the other risks that come with
opening that back wide open. Dude.

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Like you know, Hulk knows when
people come at him, they come at

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him wide open. But that doesn't
mean he has to expose his back to

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anybody, including a surgeon. So
you mean you mean how long I'm gonna

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now this surgery? I'm belly down, right, dude, Yeah brother,

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I'm I'm I'm I'm face down dude, right brother, Because well, Terry,

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we're actually we actually ordered a new
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this and there's what do you what? What do you what? Brother?

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Well, this is something we did
want to get to in our consultation,

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but we'll get to it now.
You know, the science is evolving on

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this, and some of the latest
guidance around how best to preserve well rather

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to conduct this procedure is to actually
have the patient laying on his back and

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actually have um sort of like a
table that's been specifically tailored for this procedure

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to have the opening underneath, so
we actually almost like almost a mechanic goes

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underneath a car that he's repairing at
mine. A hold on, dude,

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you're saying it was specifically tailored.
Brother, that's right. Are you talking

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Terry Taylor? Dude? Now,
I'm not talking Terry Taylor. Who is

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that? I mean, I talk
to Terry Taylor. But what brother,

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let's dial this thing in, dude. I thought that's what we've been doing.

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Well, dude, I'm brother.
I'm all about what you're talking about,

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dude, except for this fact that
you had Terry Taylor make you a

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tailored table, brother, where I'm
supposed to lie down on my back,

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dude, or anything could happened.
Brother, we're talking anything could happened,

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dude, Well, I'm laying down
on my back. Note you notice,

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even in the heather Clem tape,
I was never on my back. That's

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not true. I think she did
ride him. Brother, But you too,

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I want to tell you, dude, even in the sex shape,

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Brother, I know you've seen the
sex shape. Dude. You saw that

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my shoulders were up. Brother,
Now what now done? Now? Doc?

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Dude? All right, fine,
I appreciate that this is the latest

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in science and that this might make
the procedure go that much more smoothly.

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Can we talk about a way to
just adjust it ever so slightly, brother,

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so that at least one of my
shoulders is elevated. Why, brother,

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mister Balia, why would that be
important to you? I don't understand.

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Well, brother, See the problem
is right here, dude. The

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fact that you have to ask me
that question, brother, tells me exactly

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what con doctor you are. Dude. Right, you know I got the

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hebe GEB's walking in here. Man, I came in here wide open,

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dude, Dude. I mean I'm
coming here, Brother, I'm laying it

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out on the table. Dude,
I'm saying, you know, a brother,

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it's time to stop playing Hi to
Tamali. Dude, it's time to

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start playing. Let's see what's real
deal? Brother, rizzled Gizzle, Dude,

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hide the brother. I'm I'm not
playing games, dude. All right,

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man, I'm not playing shoots and
ladders. Brother, I'm not shooting

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anybody. Dude. Well what okay? I simply don't know how to respond

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to that, sir, So you
want us to respond to you, dude

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as a human being. Brother,
What are you, dude? Using lasers

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and shit? Brother? What are
you fucking George Lucas Man, the jizzl

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Luke, the Jizlizzle. Brother,
Yes, I am the Jizlizzle, Sir,

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you would not be the first person
to call me that, the jizz

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Liziz. So so all right,
well dude, what are you talking about?

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Brother? You're bringing up Elizabeth?
Dude, I mean she's been dead

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for years. Brother, Why are
you bringing up these sore subjects? Dude?

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Did you perform laser spine treat than
on Elizabeth? Brother? Brother,

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did you fuck Elizabeth? I told
you we shouldn't have taken this guy on

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as a patient. He says under
his breath to his attending brother. You've

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got an attending dude, well,
well I need an attending then, dude,

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been tag team match. Brother,
I'm gonna come at this thing wide

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open. What are you attending?
Dude? Exactly were you going? Brother?

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Are you attending to the fact that
I need my shoulder elevated off of

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the gurning when the surgery is taking
place? Brother? Up? Brother?

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Have you are you? Why are
you tanned anymore? Brother? Dude?

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I want to know have you been? Brother? Why don't you been going

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to a tanning booth? Dude?
Well, you know, at my age,

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Terry, I kind of felt it
was the melanoma risk was a little

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high. The melo never thought about
skin cancer, Terry, all those years

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in the tanning bed. I meant, it's a real concern. Brother,

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But do and further to that,
you know you want us to go through

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all these jump through all these hoops
to us to arrange the apparatus. Don't

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you lay in your back in a
tanning bed? What you're doing? Brother?

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Don't you land laying your back in
a tanning bed? You say,

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Brother number one, Dude, I'm
protected by the whole apparatus, dude,

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So don't try to get fucking cute
with me. Brother, you said,

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skin cancer. Brother. Yes,
Now I want you to do something here,

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dude. What happens? You have
skin cancer? Brother, and you

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take away the C, the A
and the C. What do you got

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left? Brother? Hold on?
This is gonna take me a minute.

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The C, the A, and
the C. Is that what you said?

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I said, Brother? What do
you got left? Skin cancer?

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Take away the C, the A
and the CEA Dude, what's left?

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Brother? Their skinner? Dude,
you've been talking to current dude. Yes,

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he is from down He is from
the Everglades, so I know that

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he lives with the fucking gators.
Man, What the fuck is going on?

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Brother? Is Skinner getting a push? No, he's not getting a

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push, mister Blay. We just
invited him to sit in on the surgery

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he was, brother, Dude,
I want to know first to join carry

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Taylor making ship. Brother. Now
you get Skinner observing? Man, Like,

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what are we doing? Brother?
We're gonna observe the curve. Brother.

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I'm not playing games, dude.
I'm not playing eat the egg omelet.

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Brother, I'm I'm not playing Let's
walk the saitle? Dude? Did

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you hold on? Did you say
at thinking of the curvature of his spine?

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Did you say observe the curve?
Oh god, that is definitely the

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title of this episode, because it
is. It's a curveball, that's true,

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and we have the episode, and
like you said, it's surreal because

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all, you know, these characters
that we hear Hogan testifying about, and

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all the lore that gets built up
around all these back surgeries during his time

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at TNA. You know, I'm
looking back, I'm like, what Tenna

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amounted to was a way to keep
him paid while he completely repaired us back.

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I know, I mean, he
took the long way. I'm sure

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he would have much preferred to have
done something less involved and less you know,

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numerous and voluminous. But still,
I mean, most wrestlers, if

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they have to be down this long, they kind of they kind of don't

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have a wrestling contract. I mean, well it's not only w W will

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will you know, pay you your
downside guarantee while you're home recuperating from a

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surgery. But not someone who's at
the stage of their career that whole Cogan

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was back in two thousand and nine, you know, like a legend or

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whatever. They're not going to get
get a million and a half to quote

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unquote be part of a wrestling show
while they're basically undergoing a back surgery every

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two and a half months. But
you know, fair play to him.

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That's that, That's Whole Cogan's true
gift at the end of the day is

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finding a way to stay paid.
And it's going to be lovely here because

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this episode landing in our lap does
give me a chance to dredge up some

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of the stuff that I learned and
researching Whole Cogan's lawsuit against Lazer's Fine Institute

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that that didn't really fit into you
know, the Tenhe journey, but fits

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here perfectly. Because we meet all
these characters, Boss, I ask you

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to observe the very face of doctor
Saint Thomas. I mean, bless the

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man. I mean he might be
a fine gentleman, but his face,

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I mean, they're all very like
all of the three doctors that we see

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are very just are very uncomfortable.
Why is that they just don't look like

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they know what they're doing. They
don't have to say that they don't.

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They don't have faces that you trust. Yeah, if you gave me,

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if you showed me their faces and
told me they were back surgeons, and

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you gave me three guesses as to
which date they practiced in. I would

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get Florida. I would, I
would, I would see the outer state

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of your mind? Now, is
that doctor James Saint Louis or is that

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Julian Assange. It's all here we
meet all of our favorite characters, and

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again a lot of depositions taken beyond
hule Cogan's in that lawsuit that have a

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lot to do with the filming of
this episode, or at least this week.

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Yeah, this episode and this reality
show, and we touched on it

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a bit. I mean, you
know, Brooke testified as well, can't

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believe anything it's on camera. But
I have a hard time not doing that

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now that we finally see this footage
that has proven so elusive for so long.

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Kind of funny. You can't believe
every anything on camera except for the

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ship that pertains to Hogan's back,
right exactly. You can't believe anything on

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camera except that which supports our case, right honey, how that works?

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And there's some artful editing here.
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about what actually happened. I mean, not that I had high expectations in

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that regard, of course, reality
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time, of course. Yeah.
Yeah, Well, you know, it's

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like those little post production insert of
of a sound bite that you don't see

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the guy's mouth moving, but he
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and they probably, you know,
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the last twenty words he said and
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think in doctor Saint Louis's case,
which is one of the doctors that performing

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the laser spine treatment on Whole Coogan
in the early days and is depicted on

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this episode, sort of, I
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surprised he trusted anybody with the name
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I know he called Bob Orton before
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this whole deal is about. Is
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to pull some shit? Would be
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I'm sure. Look, I'm sure
when he learned that that was the guy's

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name, he had questions, say
much Nick brother, Like what brother,

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what do you mean from Saint Louis? Dude, doctor from St. Louis

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we're talking about brother. This is
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what are you trying to tell me? Brother? Are you trying to take

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me to the checker dome? Dude? Is this like what's going on?

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I think that's also a working title. And Marvin Gay once say what's going

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on? Old Cogan turns that one
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we see it all. And you
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that perhaps there's something uttered on this
episode that that's legally sensitive. And in

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light of what appears to have been
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Institute bringing that lawsuit to an end, it certainly didn't go to trial.

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There wasn't like a judgment like there
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a jury rendering a verdict. Right, It just shows that it eventually was

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was was settled, or at least
the case was was term and add the

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terms of the settlement are very rarely
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we can safely assume in news coverage
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this didn't get a ton of coverage, but it did get some indicates that

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there was a settlement. I'm sure
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off this thing. I'd be willing
to bet that. But he's got he's

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got to spend this idea that he
missed out on a huge bunch of money.

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And this was, you know,
the key to his testimony in terms

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of the deposition, because he followed
the advice to go down the laser spine

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route instead of the full invasive fusion
surgery. And so we have competing doctors

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in this corner, doctor Juan Yaibay, who's the doctor the surgeon at Tampa

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General who wants to do the fusion
surgery and is depicted on this episode of

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Brooknow's Best advising as much. And
then suddenly help must go this different route

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because there's a potential, you know, less invasive thing that's promising to relieve

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the pain but not structurally necessarily fix
his back. And that's doctor Saint Louis

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over in this corner at the Laser
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it's like, you know, you
it's sort of like you read about characters

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and then you see them depicted for
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It is weird. They don't quite
look an act like you expected them

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too, but they also totally look
an act like you expected them too at

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the same time. Ye, yep, And we have the privilege of being

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able to do that weird you know, you know, knowing what they said

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and seeing them say it after we
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a very bizarre. It was very
surreal. It was surreal because when they

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said it, of course the circle, the consequences, the significance of it

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was not clear. And when this
air it was just, you know,

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they thought it'd make an entertaining episode. I'm not even sure they knew this

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would be the series finale, right, if they were talking about a season

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three or not. It definitely doesn't
end with that feeling that you'll never see

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another episode of Brookno's best totally,
yeah, for sure. And it's her

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life. She can do anything.
She can even walk out on the balcony

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of her Miami condo and just let
the breeze hit her in the face.

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I mean, I'm inspired, She's
she's just free, nothing's sent nothing standing

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in her way. No just throwing
her kids out here. We'll get to

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that. What would that pound like
is the question? Right? So falling

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at the clod among other reasons.
Terry sought medical attention back in two thousand

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and nine. So this is all
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discoverable to use a legal term.
But again when it first came out,

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when you know the significance of it, is totally different after you realize there's

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a lawsuit and that every every little
word ends up having legal significance, especially

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when it comes to what the doctors
told Hulks sitting in that exam room or

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sitting in that consultation room. Right, what representations were made about what these

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surgeries would in fact do for him
are what are reasonable expectations? What can

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we believe Hulkogan pretended he heard in
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heard in that room. And again, hours and hours of raw footage from

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this thing was part of the case. It was filed as an exhibit.

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It's been destroyed since, but yeah, you know, per the typical rules

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around getting rid of exhibits after a
certain period of time. But it's hugely

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significant to the whole idea of this
stage of whole Cooken's life. This very

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episode, the very filming of this
episode, and all the things that were

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said and done, so we're gonna
have some fun here. Um, this

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is a bonus. We didn't expect
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guess, like you said, we
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our mind knew knew something like this
would happen, because we always will things

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like this into existence. But this
one went down to the wire like none

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other. I mean, seriously,
I mean, I was, I was,

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I was kind of I just kind
of said it on like, okay,

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you know what, it's just it's
over, it's done. We're not

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gonna get there right style, it'll
be it'll be something we do in a

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year or so. It was like
the frame of mind I found myself in

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when we got to the door of
the Silver Dome and realized there was no

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apparent means of you know, entrance
yep, And so okay, now we

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get it all right. Now we
have to pretend that it's it's it's poetic

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that we could never get in,
and we have to make the episode about

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that, and then WHOA, what's
this? That's always what happens. Then

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there's that little opening that presents itself
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business is done. So let the
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F. Now I want to start
taking us back to something we did site

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during some of the episodes, but
now it has so much more significance.

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This is an excerpt from a deposition
that Brooke gave in the whole suit against

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Laser Spine Institute, and it very
much concerns her show and what we can

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and can't deduce from the forthcoming deep
dive. She's asked by a lawyer,

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Okay, do you remember that you
all met with doctor Uribay to talk about

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a fusion procedure. I remember meeting
with your Rebay, yes, she says,

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okay, And do you remember anything
he told you guys about having a

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fusion procedure? I remember seeing X
rays of my dad's back at Euribay's office,

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okay, and it looked like Jenga. Things were sitting like this one

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way and like this the other way. And your Rebay haadsgested getting a fusion.

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Uh huh, because it would,
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the recovery time with his health would
probably be shorter than somebody else's. Do

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you remember one of those doctors saying
to y'all that there were risks involved in

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a fusion procedure, and was your
dad willing to undergo the risks? And

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your dad asking, well, as
what are the risks that I might not

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walk again? In doctor Valet or
doctor your eBay saying we can't guarantee the

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results. We're dealing with nerves.
Do you remember that conversation taking place?

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Now? Boss, this is this
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right, that's it's so amazing if
you see the actual conversation, it exists

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on tape actly. No, she
says, I don't remember there being any

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risk talk. A really, brooke, she didn't watch the episode clearly or

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pretended she didn't or didn't remember it. No, I don't remember there being

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any risk talk. I remember them
saying it would probably benefit him. The

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cage thing, the fusion that is
the cage is you know a description of

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the gear you got to put in
someone's back in a fusion. And if

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I showed you, the lawyer says, some of the footage from your show

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memorializing that conversation, do you think
that would refresh your recollection at all?

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I love fusion, you know absolute
confusion, Latin fusion. Isn't that what

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a Hulk gate? Before he fucked
Heather Clem Bike shout outs to Haystacks,

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Um Denizen and Master and Maestro of
the laps transcription service that we talked about

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last week and continues to be available
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com. He was able to run
down because we were like, what did

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Hulk eat before having sex with Bubba's
wife? Because we remembered him complaining about

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having a full stomach remember that,
and due to the transcript search, he

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was able to quickly discern that it
was in fact sashimi. Brother sashimi.

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Oh like a pig. I had
the shashimi. Smell it brother, No,

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Hope, No, Hulk, that's
my twat brother. H that's my

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fucking twat brother. Do my come
taste like sushi? Come on, reff,

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get in there, Jesus Christ,
have some class. I say,

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my fucking twaters top my lungs,
and then I going on you, I

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mean looks so you're fucking smells like
sushi? You know me just I just

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passed along the facts. You get
onto all that crazy make belief ship.

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I'm just saying what she said just
sound my ta? How does that the

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sushi is that she sounded like?
That completely transforms my sense of the of

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the evening? How could you say
she shave me that? How about the

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ginger? How about the soy?
I mean I haven't done? Oh?

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How about the tobacco? How about
the crab? How about the an aggie?

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Aggie broke you with me? Aggi? You have you an Aggie within

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me? Agi? Hooty slam dude, what are you talking about? Brother?

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What? I'm just trying to get
uncooked on the gimmick Terry So right,

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I just kind of tripped up on
Brooke saying that she does not remember

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risks of the surgery being discussed,
which you know is on the fucking television

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show that ed in national television.
Is we now can appreciate having seen the

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episode? And so naturally the attorney
bounces right back and says, well,

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if I showed you some footage,
you think that would refresh your recollection?

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What do you think she says,
as a daughter of Hull coke into that

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question, and well, why do
you think she would have a basis to

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say no that even if I showed
you fucking video of the doctor describing the

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risks that that doesn't that that does
not count because that's the TV show.

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You know, that's not real.
Does does a normal you know, well,

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let's do a t at tena Italian
that if Scott Bayo were to be

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on the stand and he were to
be questioned about something that clearly was recorded

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on the reality show he was on, and he was presented with that in

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court, do you think he would
have the luxury as a non pro wrestler

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to say, well, that's just
performance. I somehow don't think he would

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say that. I somehow think that's
exclusively a privilege enjoyed by the carney that

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is, the pro wrestler and his
immediate family. Scott can get away with

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it too, or didn't would go
for it? No, he totally wouldn't

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go again, No, no,
no other person would be nearly as convincing

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as a pro wrestler. That's right, in convincing in what way? Because

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these guys, because you know what, these guys believe that that's the difference.

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That's where it is. Because it's
not like it's coming across as a

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lie like I mean, Hogan,
Every every chance Hogan gets he talks in

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any of the depositions that we've seen, we've read, he talks about it

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in terms of no, dude,
this is just the way it is.

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Brother. It's not like he and
he never catches, like he never gets

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caught. No, because I don't
think lawyers are ready to deal with the

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creature like this. I don't.
I don't think they're I don't think.

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I mean, honestly, there should
be. There should be like almost when

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when when you have to go when
you're in a lawsuit against a pro wrestler,

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they really should have some kind of
a of a of a course or

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something. Yeah, well we learned
this way back in the Trial of his

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life. That's what they should do, is they should listen to the trial

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of his life and our archives because
that's like the that's probably the speediest way

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to get acquainted with the unique tool
set a wrestler brings to the stand because

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they can just say, you know, like, here's the thing. Because

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their wrestler is the lawyer. Undoubtedly
in the back of his mind, especially

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the one on the other side,
thinks that he can catch them in a

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lie because they're fucking, you know, low rent carnies, right, But

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here's here's the thing. Because they're
low rent carnies. You can't catch them

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in anything like and and not only
it's not only that, but because their

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low rent carnies who have been trained
to lie for the majority of their life

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at that point when they when they
when they reach the stand, yeah,

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like they actually that's how they make
a living is to convince themselves there's something

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something that didn't actually happen, happened, and to be able to live in

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the skin of a person that that
actually happened to And unlike lawyers who will

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try to like finagle a way around
it to kind of like rest was just

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gonna lie to you flat out right
and they're gonna believe it and they're not

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going to give And unlike an actor
where you can say this and you can

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say, well, that was a
role I played for two years, Hull

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Cogan's role is the role of his
lifetime. Right, there's no like,

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there's no way to chop up the
fictionalized part of his life and compartmentalize it

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into just one moment like you could
an actor or one you know, period

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of their lives where they might method
act and shit, Jim Carrey can become

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Andy Kaufman. But he can't argue
that he was Andy Kaufman with Andy Kaufman's

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you know, Carney sensibilities before he
ever did Man on the Moon, and

406
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.039
he can talk about how when he
whenever he leaves the house, he's Andy

407
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.319
Kaufman. No, No, you
can't even come close to saying something like

408
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.640
that. Wrestlers are unique in their
ability to play that card. And again,

409
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.079
I swear because the lawyers, you
know, don't take them seriously and

410
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.920
think they're fishing in a barrel in
the first place. They are totally blindsided

411
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.039
when they go out there and realize
that these guys are going to look you

412
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:40.920
riding the eye and say nothing is
real. Yes, and you're gonna have

413
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.119
to grapple with that, isn't it. I don't think that's something an attorney

414
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:47.839
is equipped to deal with when it
comes to a typical witness, because if

415
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.799
they can produce a piece of paper
that says it happened, or video footage

416
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.960
that says it happened, that's pretty
much that got you a moment, I

417
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.440
would think in any cross examination yep. But with a pro wrestaur it's like

418
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.680
you're not looking at the real person. When you watch that, it's like,

419
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.519
why the fuck. I just don't
think if any other reality show was

420
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.119
introduced that way into evidence, this
way into evidence, that that would be

421
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.440
that that excuse would fly with any
run of the Male reality Star. But

422
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:17.319
it does with a pro wrestler.
It's it's really I don't know, Hulk

423
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.519
has elevated that art whenever we see
him in the legal context, be it,

424
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.319
you know, testifying against Vince in
nineteen ninety four or here or anywhere

425
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.319
Gawker, It's just he plays cards
nobody else on the planet Earth can play

426
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.279
to get his way in a court
of law, so or at least avoid

427
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.319
you know, avoid negative outcomes in
a court of law. So they ask

428
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.839
her, They say, Brook,
you know, with this refresher recollection at

429
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:45.599
off, I showed you fucking tape
of the doctor discussing risks with you.

430
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:52.799
Her response, It wouldn't matter even
if you did, because if there's cameras

431
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.440
anywhere, we can have a real
conversation behind the cameras. But once the

432
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.440
cameras are on, the producer is
kind of telling us which way to take

433
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.880
it for TV. So it wouldn't
be a valid way to recall what happened

434
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.279
in real life. Seeing isn't believing, folks. The lawyer says, if

435
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.880
the video show, doctor Valet specifically
saying, we can't guarantee that there wouldn't

436
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.599
be nerve damage and paralysis, and
that is a risk. Are you telling

437
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.440
the jury that that would be something
the producer told him to say? The

438
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.000
doctor answer, if it was on
TV, it's a very good chance the

439
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.440
producer probably told him to make it
seem scarier than something might really be.

440
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:33.680
And so your testimony is similar to
your dad's big surprise that anything in the

441
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.640
reality show really doesn't have any reality
to it. Is that your testimony?

442
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.599
Oh yeah, aside from this table, if you put a mic on you

443
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.920
and a camera on you, you
know, you have somebody or thirty people

444
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:49.000
standing behind the camera and they want
to make it traumatic and gripping for TV.

445
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.319
It's not going to be real.
Okay. This lawyer has no idea

446
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.119
what to say to this, no
idea where to go now, because he

447
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.319
was going to pick apart every little
thing in the footage and he was about

448
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.519
this totally off the table now.
Ye, So the whole conversation he says

449
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.279
about your dad's back was not real
sitting. I mean, there really wasn't

450
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.039
a plan to have that fusion that
day. They were just making it seem

451
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.839
worse than it was. I'm sorry, which day the day you were meeting

452
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.400
with doctor Valley and your rebay where
they said you need a fusion? Are

453
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:22.279
you saying that wasn't real? Oh? We had real conversations without the cameras

454
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.519
on. That didn't It wasn't the
same conversation as when the cameras were on.

455
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:29.519
If that's what you're asking, right, that's right. The only thing

456
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.000
that's real is the thing that's not
documented. Have you ever notice that boss

457
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.000
with pro wrestlers, The only thing
that's real is the thing that was not

458
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.519
documented. Not amazing. It's all
about what was unsaid or what was said,

459
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.400
you know, to give context to
what the public the what the marks

460
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:52.680
were fed as documentary evidence of something
having met. It's it's it's it's wrestling

461
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:58.640
with shadows exactly. Is that where
you're gonna go, um no, But

462
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.519
I was just going to say too
though. It's just this, it's this

463
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.640
lack of you know, it's this
ability to create reasonable doubt. Yeah,

464
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:14.119
exactly, Yeah, reasonable doubt is
reality. Like if you could build a

465
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.279
case that might not be what it
appears to be. That means it wasn't

466
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.759
what it appears to be. Right, that's enough. Well, I'm trying

467
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.079
to get out, the lawyer says, you know, you say, I'm

468
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.240
trying to decide. Are you telling
me that parts of the conversations you had

469
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:30.559
in front of the camera were real
and other parts were not, or the

470
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.079
whole thing in front of the camera
would have been made up? So what

471
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.279
I remember with no cameras in the
room when we had a private conversation with

472
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.400
uribay him not speaking about risks.
I do not remember him speaking about risk.

473
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.359
Okay, I know that if a
camera was brought into the room,

474
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:52.119
there's a possibility that things could be
scripted, yes, okay, for dramatic

475
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.640
effect. Have you ever had an
under to go any kind of surgery procedure

476
00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:01.920
yourself, ma'am, I've got a
book job. Do you recall that was

477
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.079
not the answer I was expecting.
Sorry, this happened. She said that.

478
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.280
She says that, and all of
a sudden, his eyes are like

479
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.440
completely at her tits. I mean, she's performing, just like Hulk's performing.

480
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.320
When he's talking about the size of
Hulk Hogan's dick in the Gawker trial.

481
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:22.119
It's the same thing. But I
didn't have a boob job. Brooke

482
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:23.599
Hogan had a boob job. Right
before you go too far down that road,

483
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.840
Brook Bala did not have breast augmentation. Further down of the conversation,

484
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:37.559
lawyer asks, Okay, and if
the video taken of your TV show has

485
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.760
a conversation where they explain what the
risks are as well as the benefits,

486
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.079
you're saying, if it happened,
it only happened because the producers told them

487
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.920
to say those words. That's your
testimony. Sorry, that was a long

488
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.920
sentence. She says, Wow,
sure, he says. She says,

489
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.239
Basically, what I'm saying is,
if the camera is rolling and it's reality

490
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.320
TV, there's a really good that
it's probably being scripted or blown out of

491
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.760
proportion. Okay, So, so
if there were cameras on us at your

492
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:12.159
rebase office, which I really don't
remember, he's on the show like I

493
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.039
can love this is you imagine if
someone made a reality show about you like

494
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:20.880
this and you don't remember, like
the scene being depicted on one of the

495
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.360
episodes, or claiming you don't remember
that the key fucking dramatic lynchpin of the

496
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.719
last episode of The Whole Thing,
was you in your rebase office? I

497
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.199
mean, just just the fact that
you can recall an image of him that's

498
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.360
on the television instead of in person, would tell you that, of course

499
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.440
it was on the show. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm just

500
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:45.480
particularly observant, but I don't think
I could never like forget that I saw

501
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:46.880
something on television as opposed to in
real life. Do you know what I

502
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.480
mean? Yep? And I guess
she's claiming she never watched it. I'm

503
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.679
just hard to believe. She does
say later in the testimony that she never

504
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.800
saw, for example, the Finding
Whole Cogen documentary on an E that we

505
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.599
talked a lot about during teenage.
That's also important because he's been told basically

506
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:01.639
never to wrestle again. He's like, what about this? What about this?

507
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.719
So if there were cameras on us
at a Reba's office, she says,

508
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.360
again, which I really don't remember, I would say anything and everything

509
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.840
is fake. Okay, The lawyer
says, well, and again, and

510
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.320
she says when the cameras are rolling, of course, so this is her

511
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:24.559
leaving the house thing. Yes,
of course she's only Terri Balia. He's

512
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.039
only Terriblea when he's in the house. When he leaves the house, he's

513
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.599
Hulkgan. And for her, she's
only she's Brooke Bolea when the cameras aren't

514
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.880
rolling. When they are rolling,
she's Brooke Hogan. Of course, nothing

515
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.599
from either world could ever inform what
happens in the other one. There's no

516
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.760
crossover whatsoever. So he says the
lawyer, how much is fake? I

517
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.639
mean, is your dad was a
part of the show for some significant periods

518
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.199
of time where they were talking about
some problems he was having. Was that

519
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:54.519
all fake? She says, Everything
conversation that's on camera would not have been

520
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.840
had if there was not a camera
there. That's right. But I mean

521
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.199
his medical condition was real, wasn't
it. Oh, he definitely had back

522
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.960
problems, for sure. Okay,
but we wouldn't have said most of the

523
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.639
things in any conversation that we've ever
had on reality TV had a producer and

524
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.719
not been scripting it and making it
gripping for the audience. Well maybe doctor

525
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.960
Volley and doctor Guibe, they might
have been just telling you what they normally

526
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.599
would tell any patient. I don't
know. She says they could have been,

527
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:30.119
but I don't know she's accusing them
of performing okay, And I know

528
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.920
she says that our producer probably spoke
to them as well as us. You

529
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.079
know, if there was a camera
in the room, the producer is going

530
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.880
to instruct everybody on how to carry
the conversation. This, by the way,

531
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.480
this applies to social media to me, like it's the same thing.

532
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.599
When you're posting, you're posting as
if a producer is looking it over and

533
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.960
saying, how is this going to
be? Most of course effective, dramatic,

534
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:57.960
right, especially people who live who
make a living off engagement. You

535
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.760
know. So, now what my
point is, there is no this is

536
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.039
every experience we have, and the
more time we spend online, the more

537
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:12.480
we're basically not communicating our true thoughts, but rather communicating a produced version of

538
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.360
our own thoughts. But I mean, the lawyer says, you're speculating.

539
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.679
You don't know if the producer actually
spoke to the doctors about it, right,

540
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.519
answer, I could give you a
ninety nine point nine percent chance that

541
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.960
the producer spoke to the doctor.
Yes, yes, No one's safe.

542
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:35.280
No one's safe. Everyone's a performer. Everyone must perform because the cardinal sin

543
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.559
in American life is to be boring. If you're boring, you might as

544
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.039
well just put an ether cloth up
to your fucking face for twenty five minutes.

545
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.159
Okay, I'm doing it now.
The Finding Whole Cogan documentary, I

546
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.320
haven't seen it, so I don't
know what he's said on it, Okay.

547
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:52.719
And I'm asking you a hypothetical question
that if your father said during the

548
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:57.639
show that he was very complimentary of
the docs at Laser Spine, would you

549
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.119
be surprised to hear that. I
would not be surprised to hear that my

550
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:07.719
dad said he skydived yesterday if it
was on TV. Okay, because it's

551
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.320
TV. Okay, so we just
shouldn't believe anything that we see on TV.

552
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:20.039
No, let's start this dive,
shall we. That's just the fucking

553
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:25.599
greatest thing. So we start this
episode of Brookno's Best with some outside shots,

554
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.599
some establishing shots. It's Brooks Dance
Studio, we learn, because of

555
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.840
course, you know, she's getting
her music career started. And if we're

556
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.320
going to be a young female artist, you have to have a fucking CrossFit

557
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.000
gym somewhere where people are exercising dancing
for your stage show. This is apparently

558
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.880
part of the deal, I guess. I mean, I didn't even know

559
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.400
she owned a studio, and I'm
not sure she owns it. Maybe she

560
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.440
does, Actually we don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you want

561
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.239
to play that both ways, Broke, We're gonna have fun with this.

562
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.440
But you know, you have to
have like a big You can't just sing,

563
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.920
that would be ridiculous. You have
to have like a thirty person ensemble

564
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.320
choreographic. Okay. But but here's
the thing now, I don't know.

565
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:13.920
I'll be the first to say this. Okay, I don't know. I've

566
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:20.880
never done I've been to dance auditions. I've had to do dance auditions to

567
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.719
participate in them. I have never
I've ever done it for a rock concert.

568
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.440
So I don't know if it's different
for those. But I have never

569
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:39.079
seen anyone dress like these people did
for a Damnce audition because you don't know

570
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:44.320
what you're doing. Normally, people
wear clothes you wear to the gym,

571
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.880
Yeah, you know, you wear
because who knows. Like there's so much

572
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:53.519
fucking cleavage in these shots. Interest
like kids are going everywhere. It's just

573
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.960
like, again, I don't it
could be this may be the way they

574
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.159
do it. Maybe they you know, obviously they get they get costumed up

575
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.559
for this. That's what I'm saying, because I mean, every every dance

576
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:10.760
audition I've ever been to, everyone
is dressed in workout. You know,

577
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.840
clothes you can move in is what
they always say when you come. Make

578
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.519
sure you wear clothes that you can
move in, because it's you know.

579
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.199
But I'm like looking at close and
I'm like, this is not this is

580
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.280
this is what you'd wear it for
a performance, not for an audition.

581
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.039
But I suppose wearing again what I'm
talking about wouldn't be attractive for the camera.

582
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.360
Yeah, yeah, backup dancers and
a musical thing is especially a hip

583
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:38.440
hop thing because she was kind of
going down to hip hop route at that

584
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:45.599
point. Again for the show,
yes, but for an audition, right,

585
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.239
you don't know anything. It seems
weird to me except for being on

586
00:41:51.280 --> 00:42:01.079
TV. Why you would be wearing
anything that kind of troublesome? But yeah,

587
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.079
you mightn't. I don't know.
It might help you get cast if

588
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.480
they can see what you look like
in suggestive clothing. Maybe it maybe gives

589
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.320
you an edge in the audition.
I don't know. I maybe but just

590
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:14.079
seemed weird. There's a lot of
this too, and like, um,

591
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.079
you know, dancing with the stars
and stuff. I mean they're obviously doing

592
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.320
maybe there, maybe they're gonna fucking
have you go, you know, do

593
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.039
a handstand and your fucking tits and
cock off fucking come out. You know,

594
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.599
well, I think they. I
don't think Glenn would have a problem

595
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.360
with the ladder. Meet Glenn.
Oh god, Glen. Glenn is you

596
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.280
know, brooks gay friend. And
he's the one that Hogan's like, are

597
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.039
you really good? Like how gay
are you? In a scale of one

598
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.719
to ten? Brother, that's that
one. Yeah. Um. And he

599
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.199
plays his role nicely and apparently he's
the dance coordinator and choreographer for brooks professional

600
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:50.639
music career. So that's where we
started the episode. And they're talking about

601
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.039
Glenn and Brooks's other friend, Ashley, her roommate. They're they're marveling at

602
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:58.800
how many people have come out to
audition to be dancers for brooks big show

603
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.599
coming up. There's going to be
a big performance in front of I think

604
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.960
I think he said ninety three thousand, right, She's gonna slam a seven

605
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.159
thousand pounds giant. I think it
was ninety three people. I mean,

606
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.800
it's all there. They're doing the
whole emphasize that forty thousand people are going

607
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:15.599
to be there. They're not there
for her. She's part of a big

608
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.480
festival whatever it's called. We'll get
the name of it here in a second

609
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.079
in Miami, where is it?
It's um, Collie Ocho, oh the

610
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.320
show. Yeah, Big Chris Jericho, not to be confused with Chris Jericho

611
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:34.840
or the h or or the ESPN
channel on a on a fucking movie Dodgeball

612
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:40.880
Brother ESPN eight the show. So, um, they're all preparing for this

613
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.239
and they're talking about how many people
came out for the audition. Brooke needs

614
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.440
to narrow down to four boys and
three girls and needless to say shows in

615
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.320
a week. They expect forty thousand
people to see this this performance, and

616
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.920
uh, you know they mentioned that
because Brooks Polk's daughter. You know,

617
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.360
if it wasn't a pro wrestler's daughter, they would say there's gonna be a

618
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.400
lot of people there. But they
wouldn't specify forty thousand, right, They

619
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.920
wouldn't give a number. They wouldn't
they wouldn't fucking you know, not only

620
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:15.719
wrestling people like think about that,
like even musicians. I highly doubt any

621
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.039
musician could tell you, like their
attendance record to the head right or even

622
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.159
to the fifth decimal Rotini, what's
the gate going to be? Dude?

623
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.639
Right? Yeah, they probably tell
you the gate. They can tell you

624
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.559
the hall. They get tell hemmuchs
they took home? Really a gate because

625
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.639
it's you know, brother, what
do you mean? Dude? It's the

626
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.599
same way that there wasn't a gate
when you wrestled or doorf in front of

627
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.679
you know, fifty thousand people in
Toronto and the six and people were there

628
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.920
for a fair. They weren't so
much there to see wrestling. That's why

629
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.960
they were such a turnout. I've
never had an affair? What an eighty?

630
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.320
What an affair? Eighty what?
Brother? What do you know?

631
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.400
Like wait a minute, no,
I'm not saying, did you brother?

632
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:00.599
What about eighty six? Dude?
What do you who? You? Eighty

633
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.880
six? And dude exactly? Pretty
sure to be sixteen nine and pretty soon

634
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:16.039
dude, yea brother exactly who brooke
Um says that she thinks it's going to

635
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:19.880
be more than that. She says
that she sees I think it's been more

636
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.679
than forty thousand. Yeah, um, thousands and thousands of people go to

637
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.679
this Caliochi thing. Um, but
it's been five to six months since since

638
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.159
she's performed on stage. So she's
nervous. And you know how reality shows

639
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:37.519
go. You start with anxiousness and
then you overcome and well not even overcomments

640
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.480
like you know, yeah, all
these problems and then of course it's like

641
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:46.639
without even without even any real explanation
as to how they overcame the problem,

642
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.440
they just overcome it, right,
no mechanics, just like you know,

643
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.880
it wasn't as bad as they feared
or right. Well, there's there's you

644
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.719
know, an interpersonal drama that suddenly
resolves itself by the end of the episode.

645
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.320
Yeah, they with a friend or
a family member or a significant other

646
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.719
and then they see the value in
each other in the end and they end

647
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.679
up on a pier. I just
should have trusted myself the whole time,

648
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.719
and I guess going forward, I
just will trust myself that much more.

649
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:19.920
That just shows the sun setting.
So, Um, she's anxious, and

650
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.960
this is part of I guess,
part of the performance business that she doesn't

651
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.039
feel a particular comfort and strength with
yet is the choreograph dancing that the Britney

652
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.800
Spear style, you know, ensemble
dancing, which I don't understand. I

653
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:37.880
mean, she fucking did that for
the for the fucking movie, for the

654
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:46.199
fucking the Hercules movie. We talk
about broken. I saw the Hercules movie,

655
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.920
so shut the fuck up, fool
me. I saw the movie.

656
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.920
I mean I also we also,
I also saw a fucking Hogan knows best

657
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.519
and they talk about the choreograph choreography
of this fucking thing, so lends good

658
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.239
doing the goofy dances with all that. You know, you gotta go snap,

659
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.639
snap and then move your head.
You gotta snap your fingers and it

660
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:10.239
has to be like you don't have
to literally snap your fingers past uh uh

661
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:15.519
uh uh uh uh uh in front
of her mirror. And now that's like

662
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.559
every teenage girl doing this in the
middle of the highway basically with her phone

663
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:29.440
out. Um uh uh uh step
step one two stop. Okay, how

664
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.000
about that? How about replace the
E with an O and see if we

665
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:38.559
all end up at her off stop
stop one two. Brooke uh starts singing

666
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.920
Welcome to the Freak Show. It
sounds exactly like Britney Spears and she knows

667
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.000
it it's by design. Oh,
totally welcome to the freak. So now

668
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.239
she's doing that. Now she's sultry. Right now she's trying to get you

669
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.199
to so you know, and and
and look, she seems like a decent

670
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:59.119
person. We've made this very clear, but I'll tell you she is like

671
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:06.280
the least sexy person. That's unfair. I'm serious, Like nothing about her

672
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.239
like screams I can be sexy,
like it's all it's all awkward. Well,

673
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.320
it's very strange because the reality show
acquaints you with how kind of you

674
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:19.360
know, I don't want to say
innocent, but I don't know. You

675
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.400
just can't. You can't. You
can't buy it as anything but to put

676
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.320
on. By the time she starts
right like even even in her like videos

677
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.440
and stuff, none of it comes
across like Britney spears, you know,

678
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.960
like especially back in the day,
like she's like that's fucking sexy, like

679
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:38.920
it's hot Brook. No, it
just seems like she's she's following like a

680
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:44.119
formula that isn't isn't isn't fit for
purpose. It doesn't feel like it's her.

681
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.440
It's not the formula you'd pull off
the shelf to Like she seems someone

682
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.000
who'd be more comfortable, like like
Jewel or something, you know, grab

683
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.880
a guitar and fucking give me an
acoustic well, and as we learned in

684
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.719
Tnah, that's a big part of
the reason she came to TNA was Dixie,

685
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.280
you know, and her music connections
talking and her into this idea that

686
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.679
she needs to be a country star. Remember she did that radio interview on

687
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.360
Nashville Radio before the Bubba wedding on
Spike where she was like, she suddenly

688
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:13.760
started talking like Darlin and you could
hear her try to have a Nashville accent

689
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.559
on the interview. She tried.
I mean, her entrance music in TNA

690
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:21.639
was basically, you know, a
like a hard charging Shania Twain kind of

691
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.079
country take that didn't work for either. But this is before that. This

692
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:29.400
is when they thought that because she
got that music video with Paul Wall and

693
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.719
it seemed like there was Actually she
got hooked up with Soby Entertainment, which

694
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:35.079
was a hip hop R and B
label, and then of course, she,

695
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.559
as we're going to find out later, ends updating the son of the

696
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.519
of the of the record executive and
that's what causes the whole racial tie rade

697
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.800
on tape, or at least that's
the reason he's talking in those terms.

698
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.519
So it's it's amazing how much trouble
this time in her life ends up causing

699
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:58.920
hulkogan down the line from the back
surgery to them the boyfriend and everything.

700
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.400
So she's doing the whole thing,
and we kind of get a glimpse she's

701
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.000
The lyrics of the song include I
want to see you stripped from me and

702
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.760
all that, and so they're stiff
sifting through candidates for the dancers, and

703
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.559
they're sitting at a table with a
water bottle. You always have to have

704
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.119
water near you when you're making decisions
like this, because you didn't know in

705
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.920
case you don't know how to look
professional in an audition setting. You need

706
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.440
a bottle of evy on there for
all to see. And suddenly the phone

707
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:32.679
rings. The phone rings, Brother, She's gonna there's a problem, brother,

708
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:44.920
They're hello, Bye. Got his
legs went numb. I'm gonna drive

709
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:52.880
her it up. Okay, I
would have to go. I have to

710
00:50:52.920 --> 00:51:02.639
go. My dad's legs went numb
and he collapsed to are you sure?

711
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.079
Are you guys? Let's go from
the top of the Numbrookie, We're gonna

712
00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:15.039
have to do without brook, brother, We're gonna have to do it without

713
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.360
Brooke. Yea, so hiss,
his legs went numb. Now, what

714
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.079
this seems to be is that episode
where he ends up with that Mount something

715
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.480
hospital. I already forgot what it
was, where he was bending over on

716
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.039
the beach with Jennifer picking up seashells. Remember that, Yes, yes,

717
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:30.920
there was press coverage about him having
to be rushed to the hospital and he

718
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.880
did. I think he did a
Twitter video from inside the r and that's

719
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.280
what touched up. And else.
I swear to God, there's something here.

720
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.239
I don't know what it is.
I couldn't read enough between the lines

721
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.920
to reach a conclusion. But Jennifer
and Brooker both asked about this and in

722
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.960
deposition, and they just don't want
to say that it was seashell pickup that

723
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.119
caused this. They just don't want
to go there. They kind of like

724
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:02.000
talk around that point when I don't
know. Something else I think happened that

725
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.119
caused Hulkogan's legs to go out.
I don't know what it might have been.

726
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.239
Maybe he's getting blown on the beach
or something. I don't know,

727
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:15.159
but I could not not notice how
how little substantiation there was from others besides

728
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.639
Hulk Coogan. And I think even
if I'm remembering the deposition right that we

729
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.119
read now, brother, I was
not fucking Jennifer from behind. He's certainly

730
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.320
not fucking somebody other than Jennifer from
behind. I no, do you definitely

731
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:31.760
not, I'm brother, that couldn't
have been happening. But they kind of

732
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:38.199
conflate all this together. They conflate
this medical emergency with the more like kind

733
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.960
of standard practice consultations he was going
through, having gone to the day.

734
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:47.400
It wasn't like there was this sudden
medical episode that caused Hulkogan to consider surgery.

735
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:52.480
This happened after he was already on
the laser spine treatment and all of

736
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:55.039
that. So I don't know if
they just had this footage already that the

737
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.840
chronology really confuses me if I'm remembering
correctly, because I know that the beach

738
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:05.159
the seashell thing, I'm pretty sure
happened during TNA so in twenty and ten,

739
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.159
and all of his consultations like the
ones we see depicted on the show.

740
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.000
We're in two thousand and nine with
Uribay and Saint Louis. But anyway

741
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:20.480
that that seems to be what's happening
here that episode being dramatized or at least

742
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:27.000
presented on this episode is having touched
off a whole dialogue about the condition of

743
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.400
the Hulster's back. So she's going
to drive right up to see him his

744
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.519
dad, his leg drops went numb, his leg dropped, if you will,

745
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.880
that's out the way I look at
it. And which is another amazing

746
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:39.599
thing just to hear how many times
he's asked about leg drops or others are

747
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.000
asked about leg drops. It's like
this um is this way of diagnosing just

748
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.360
how badly Hulk Coogan was hurt and
what realistic expectations were for the back treatments.

749
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.840
Could could he do a leg drop? Could if doctor, if he

750
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:55.199
were to come back, would you
advise him to do a leg drop?

751
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.840
That's like the line in the sand. It's fucking hilarious to see that being

752
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.039
made a matter of like, dude, here's the thing, dude, what

753
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.119
we ever drag? What's gonna be
able to let me drop a leg?

754
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:10.159
Brother? Oh I understand, I
can't you know slam six thousand pounds giants.

755
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.159
I'm after all this. I know, I can't flamb out Andre brother,

756
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.039
but what are we talking about here, Jude. I'm just gonna tell

757
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.880
you, boss, after all this, all these months, if Hellgan never

758
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.159
drops the leg again, I am
popping like we popped. But but he

759
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:30.000
pinned up the rock in two thousand
and two. Yeah, sure, if

760
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.519
he ever fucking drops the leg again, like that's I'm gonna he has built

761
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:37.679
this up so much. Let me
if let me tell you, right,

762
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.360
if if we're ever at a WrestleMania
or something like that, Okay, and

763
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.719
he comes out and he fucking drops
the leg, I don't care how high

764
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.280
we are. I'm just jumping out
right, He's jumping out of the building

765
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.840
screaming. I mean, it'll be
a raucous moment. And he knows it.

766
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.800
Yeah. I always think when he
talks about how the leg drops over

767
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.119
the years caused the back problems,
that's kind of what he's doing. Is

768
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:06.239
he's building for one more, right, Yeah, I know if you just

769
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.519
read the text on its face of
what these doctors are saying about what Hulk

770
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.440
Cogan Cannon can't do. No,
no doctor's going to tell them it's okay

771
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.679
to drop the leg but I don't
know. Hope brings it up so much

772
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.559
that you gotta think somewhere in his
mind he's setting up at one big moment.

773
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.519
You know, he knows he shouldn't
do it, but he Wrestlers don't

774
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:28.559
talk about something that's not going to
happen that often without an intention of making

775
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.800
it that much more impactful when they
go ahead and do it, unless they

776
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.920
unless they plan on on it happening. And you know, from from all

777
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:37.400
accounts when he showed up in that
raw thirty and he had like a cane,

778
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.639
this guy's not going to be able
to do that. But I don't

779
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.320
know. I'm just here to tell
you though, if it does happen,

780
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.440
I'm marking out period yep, in
a way I never would have marked out

781
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.599
pret tnh yeah, oh totally.
So here it is. Um. They

782
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.639
tell her, of course that everything's
going to be fine. But you know,

783
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.679
here's what happened to your father.
They show her running, I got

784
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.679
her, I got her coming in
there five hours later. Yeah, right,

785
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.920
I can come in. What happened
to you? Oh my legs kind

786
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:14.199
of went. Um, I'm scared
for you, dad. I just can't

787
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.320
stand more than four or five minutes. Yeah, that's really bad. If

788
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:22.719
you can't stand four or five minutes, that can functional like the sunny war.

789
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:37.360
Oh really still? Yeah? Okay, Terry. So this is why

790
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:45.639
we have the spine should look like
this, and this is your back.

791
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:52.360
So you can't tell right now you
know that's what my back hurts. You

792
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:57.079
really have a serious prone in your
back. I'm going to ask you the

793
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:01.920
question that I asked all of my
patients. Is your pain twenty four seven?

794
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.599
Yes? Is this pain that bad
that you can is affecting your personal

795
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.400
life and everything that is around it. Yes, he can't stand up for

796
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.039
more than a minute. He can't
even walk to the prosy store. And

797
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.519
are you at the point that you
say, I can't take any risk if

798
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:23.480
I can get some improvement from this
pain? Any risk? Well, significant

799
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:28.039
risk. Well, if you're saying, you know, if you if you

800
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.440
go to the surgery and you're gonna
end up in a wheelchair and never walk

801
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:35.000
again. We cannot predict the future. You know, we'll do our best

802
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:37.679
to make you better, But when
we're working a nerve, spine, bones,

803
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:43.159
there's always a potential for damage to
any of those structures. Usually what

804
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:47.920
we prefer is first, you to
try everything that is available. We are

805
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:53.079
at this point talking about soldery because
you already explore everything that is available and

806
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:59.639
you're tired of that. I'm all
right, a big deal, the big

807
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:05.239
operation for you. It's just the
typical screws and the cages to reconstruct,

808
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:09.519
rebuild, and more important, relief
your pain. Yeah, that's the idea.

809
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:17.639
And don't forget at the end your
decision. That doctor one Uribey,

810
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.719
that's right, that's doctor or Reba. So in fact it was yes looking

811
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:29.840
back TMZ. September twenty ten,
Hulk Hlgan's back injury Sea shell Shock.

812
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:34.880
TMZ spoke to the Hulkster, who's
currently hospitalized in Clearwater, Florida, and

813
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.639
dude tells us he was picking up
seashells this weekend with his girlfriend Jennifer,

814
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.000
and the constant bending over eventually got
the better of him. Hulk, who's

815
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.880
had multiple back surgeries in the past, so he must have aggravated his old

816
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.280
injuries because next morning he could barely
move in at the colonn ambulance. Hulk

817
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:51.199
tells TMZ the doctors believed he suffered
a tear in one of his muscles,

818
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.320
but they still need to run some
tests to be certain, and there he

819
00:58:53.400 --> 00:59:00.039
is tweeting or whatever from the Yeah, tweeting from the from the bed,

820
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:06.199
right, because he was all into
this new social media thing. So yeah,

821
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:07.679
again, it takes Brook five hours
from where she was in her dance

822
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.239
studio, man, and you get
to him clear Water, and they show

823
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.239
like an overhead scene of clear Water. They show usf which is you know,

824
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.280
the campus where this hospital is,
and Jennifer's there, Hulk second wife,

825
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.079
and they're looking at the x rays
and they show Hulk laid out in

826
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.559
a red bandanna and a Johnny he's
got the bandanna on in the hospital.

827
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:28.960
Oh my god. Well, hey, it's better than when he fucking has

828
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:35.760
the skullet and a ponytail later on. Absolutely, that's horrifying. So let

829
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.880
me ask you that whole thing with
your rebate talking about all the risks,

830
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.760
is that not what Brooke just said
in a deposition that she doesn't remember happening,

831
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.880
But it was on TV right there. It wasn't real though. That

832
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:52.480
was for the camera. And while
Hulk sitting there being you know, consulted

833
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:57.119
by doctor your rebate, is he
wearing a Bubba Army T shirt? Yes,

834
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:04.960
he is. Const Oh god.
They show a picture of him,

835
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.360
a picture of his back and it
is curved. Man, it is like

836
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.639
a question mark his spine and that's
why his back hurts, is right?

837
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.639
Um? And your Rebay again goes
through all those questions, is your page

838
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:22.000
twenty four seven, et cetera.
When when he asks Hulk, is it

839
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.880
so bad that it's affecting your personal
life? They immediately cut to Jennifer who's

840
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:30.840
getting no dick. Which that's the
assumption there exactly, that's the message fucked.

841
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:36.599
She ain't getting fucked by Terry Balay's
cock or Hulk Coogan's cock. Let

842
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:37.719
me ask you this Hulk hell can
have this injury or Terry Balia. I'm

843
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:43.559
trying to figure out whose back is
actually hurt here is that's the question?

844
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.559
Um? So, yeah, he's
a significant risk and talking about wheelchair and

845
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:51.559
all that, and you know your
rebase not able to say that that's not

846
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:57.679
on the table in terms of of
possibilities. There's another doctor on hand,

847
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.960
doctor Fernando Vali, who we've talked
about. He says, we do our

848
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.400
best to make it better, but
when working the nerve and spine and all

849
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:07.920
that. So doctor Rebey did issue
or offer a testimony deposition and the hul

850
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:14.400
Kegan Versus Laser Spine Institute lawsuit.
And here's just some Germaine snippets from his

851
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.639
testimony. How did Hulkegan come to
be your patient? He was referred to

852
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.119
me by one of my partners,
doctor Fernando Vale, who we just saw.

853
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:24.880
And do you know how he came
to doctor Valley? I'm not sure.

854
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.760
I think they're friends. I'm not
sure. Okay, So why was

855
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.559
why did mister Balai or why why
did you see mister Blair that day?

856
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.159
Because he has a spine condition and
my partner, doctor Valley, referred him

857
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.960
to me. So nothing about this
emergency. Okay, that's not why he

858
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.360
saw him. He was thinking I
was the proper person to take care of

859
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:44.159
mister Balah within the group. And
you saw mister Blair that day, yeah,

860
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:45.800
I saw him. Was there anybody
else present? Doctor Valley himself?

861
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.840
Okay? Did mister Ballet have any
family members? I believe? So do

862
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.480
you recall? I don't recall,
but I think some family members were with

863
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:55.000
him and friends I believe as well. So what history did you have of

864
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:59.800
mister Blair's back condition when you first
saw him on I think it was February,

865
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.400
twe fourth, two thousand and nine, correct, So this if that's

866
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:08.719
this is two thousand and nine February, and the back the seashell thing happened

867
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.639
in September two thousand and ten.
Is see how they smashed those together and

868
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:17.400
to make them look concurrent. That's
a huge time gap. Apparently they had

869
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.199
all this footage. Yeah, unused
in the hopper. So he was complaining

870
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.800
of long standing back pain for at
least eight years, eight years. It

871
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:29.280
was back in two thousand nine,
so eight years before two thousand and nine,

872
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:34.360
so since what since coming to WWF
again, since we're turning to WWF.

873
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:38.079
He was complaining of this back pain
and he came, I've probably been

874
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:43.000
complaining about U since fucking ninety two. Yeah, probably in some in some

875
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:46.840
fashion. And he came with a
debilitating low back pain. Your rebate testified

876
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.719
and he was getting worse over the
last few months before he began seeing us.

877
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.800
And he was mentioned that he tried
multiple conservative treatment with no improvement,

878
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:00.360
and that's the reason he came to
us. Clinically, we actually witnessed that

879
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:02.719
these procedures. Now, okay,
now he's talking and jumping forward a bit.

880
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:06.440
Now he's talking about because you Rebase
the one that does the fusion,

881
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.480
he's not the laser spine guy.
They're asking him, of course, in

882
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:13.760
the deposition, what he thought about
the laser spine and if it actually at

883
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:19.800
all complicated the eventual fusion surgery,
which, as we discussed in the TNH

884
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.760
journey, happened in December of twenty
ten. That's that holiday period where they

885
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:28.320
do the Thanksgiving dinner where Dixie files
the lawsuit to get the company back,

886
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:31.440
and then he disappears over the Christmas
break does the hookster. And this is

887
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:37.360
this is why clinically we actually witnessed
the Rebay testifies that these procedures, the

888
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:42.599
laser spine procedures, actually made him
worse because when I saw him in two

889
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:45.639
thousand and nine, he was not
under any strong narcotics or any of the

890
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.639
other of these devices for pain management. And when we saw him later on,

891
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.360
he was already with a remember he
was when I saw him, he

892
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.559
was actually walking to the o R
looking for our It was some day in

893
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.400
the afternoon, not even an appointment. He showed up at Tampa General with

894
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:04.880
someone and I remember he looks deteriorated
m There's other suggestions and other depositions in

895
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.400
this lawsuit, by the way,
that Hulk was basically jonesing for more pain

896
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.199
medication at a certain point. It
seems to get kind of ugly in that

897
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:17.119
regard that he's making unusual requests of
people, that he's doing more pain medication.

898
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.800
Really, yeah, he was,
actually you Rebay testifies technically he was

899
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:28.840
using lollypops of fentamine for pain and
this is like a maximum narcotic. And

900
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.840
he looks devastated. I want to
repeat what doctor Ribey says. He looks

901
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.360
devastated. He was walking totally.
We were like, what happened to you?

902
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.480
And then when we get him an
appointment and we started talking again.

903
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.599
Lawyer asks, when he came back
to him in twenty ten, was he

904
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:46.679
on a pain pump? Answer?
I believe he had some. He had

905
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.719
some. I believe he had a
spinal cord stimulator, and he was taking

906
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:56.480
a massive dosage of narcotics. You're
talking about real guns, you know,

907
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.480
like a fentomyl, this medication that
you know, maybe because of his body

908
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.880
habitusts he could handle it. Probably
if I take those dosages, I will

909
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:09.119
be dead. That's a doctor Rebay
testified hulks on somebody fucking drugs. It

910
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.920
would have dropped doctor Rebay where he
stood. Let's be clear about that high

911
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:18.320
as fuck. I'm trying, and
this is during TNA, So I'll retract

912
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:23.840
a bit because when he makes reference
to Febry two thousand and nine being that

913
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.519
first consultation, that might not necessarily
be the footage we see depicked in on

914
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.599
Brookno's best because, as he mentions, he comes back to him in two

915
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.800
thousand and ten because he's starting to
rethink, you know, whether a laser

916
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.559
spine can save his ass. So
the chronology is, you know, he's

917
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.400
having so much pain, he goes
to see Rebay on the recommendation we learned

918
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.679
of doctor Valet, and he talks
to him about spinal fusion and how this

919
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.719
is like what you gotta do.
He doesn't like that answer. Again,

920
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:51.199
as he testified, happens to run
into somebody who suggests laser spine to him.

921
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.800
I don't know if that's exactly the
case. The whole thing like he

922
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.960
looked ann dude or whatever the fuck
he said. I don't know. The

923
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:00.519
other testimony indicates it was just basically
like, I'm brother, dude, I

924
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.400
just watched into somebody. Dude.
I was walking down the street brother in

925
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:08.159
this side well canned that said,
I'll trust you, brother, What are

926
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.320
you gonna say exactly? Whoa can? I was like, Oh, I'll

927
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.920
here's this guy out. I didn't, sir, I didn't say anything to

928
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:17.960
you. I just bumped an apologize. So when you're gonna sell of the

929
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.639
Encyclopedia Britannic out of the Balaya House, get to that fucking tanning booth first,

930
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.199
dude. But you're tanned, dude. I trust your judgment. It

931
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:30.000
seems like you're living a good life. Dude. Um. So yeah,

932
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.920
So he goes. Then he goes
for the Laser's fine treatments through two thousand

933
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.920
and nine, and then by two
thousand and ten. He's given up on

934
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:40.960
them. By mid to late two
thousand and ten. So maybe this when

935
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.280
he comes back to your rebay in
two thousand and ten, maybe that's the

936
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.719
footage we're seeing here. Though the
way the conversation is framed on the episode

937
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.559
of Brookno's Best it sounds like an
introductory kind of on this one. In

938
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:54.400
the episode Yeah, aired two thousand
and nine, aired two thousand nine,

939
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.199
so fuck that. Yeah, no, this is this is from two thousand

940
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.199
and nine, but the Seashell apps
it happened in two thousand and ten,

941
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.639
so maybe that maybe that hospitalization isn't
the Seashell thing. It couldn't have been

942
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:09.360
if it's two thousand and nine.
Okay, well, now now it's making

943
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.079
a different kind of sense this.
I mean, I'll double check again,

944
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.199
but I'm pretty sure I have.
August nine, two thousand and nine is

945
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:20.960
when this episode premiered. Earlier,
it happened like it would have happened.

946
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:26.400
And that makes sense because she come
right because by the time she comes in,

947
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:30.719
she's coming off the reality show.
Right. Oh yeah, they all

948
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:34.760
are. They're all done the reality
show by that point. I'm confused.

949
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:38.719
I believe he had some he had
some. I believe he had a spinal

950
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:41.679
cord stimulator. Okay, we talked
about this. So when he returned,

951
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.559
when mister Bala returned to you,
the lawyer asks, in December of two

952
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.480
thousand and ten, clinically you saw
did you see a different picture of a

953
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.239
patient than you saw previously? Definitely
a more deteriorated patient, he says.

954
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:57.639
He's later asked for example, there
was at Catskin CT scan rather Downe on

955
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.119
November thirtieth, two and ten.
Would you have reviewed that correct? And

956
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.480
there was a spine standing scoliosis series
done on remember twenty nine, twenty ten.

957
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:08.639
Would you have seen that correct?
And when you reviewed those studies did

958
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:14.960
you notice any change in in the
scoliosis, the Sponde thesis or anything suggesting?

959
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.520
He says, I think that the
condition was even more. You know,

960
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.800
his spine was more deteriorated than what
we saw in two thousand and nine

961
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:26.199
and his clinical picture as well.
Are you spondel who dude? Do you

962
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:31.720
do you recall doctor? The lawyer
says that do you hyphen? Do you

963
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.520
do you recall doctor? Your rebey
that you were actually filmed for a TV

964
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.960
show that was involved that he was
involved in. Yeah, we actually signed

965
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.039
some disclosures right alert. Yeah,
and actually it was a great because we

966
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.840
actually consent him pretty much on the
program. So doctor Rebay thinks it's fucking

967
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.439
great that this is odd tape,
right. I remember I looked like I

968
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:53.399
was explained to him all the risks
and benefits. Very good because my friends

969
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.319
all over the country. He came
to me and said, listen, you

970
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:57.880
scared this guy, but I was
trying to get him out. You know,

971
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.800
really, you know, good explanation, what what really means a fusion

972
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.399
instrumentation? Now you knew mister Balaa
to be a professional wrestler, correct,

973
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:12.039
correct? And was doctor Rebe one
of the goals that he had in mind

974
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:15.279
coming to you is to be able
to get back to work. Answer.

975
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.079
Yeah, and you know, I
specifically, mister Blai is a big responsibility

976
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:24.279
for us because he's I would say, belongs to our society as one of

977
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.640
our icons. And for us,
I mean for me, it was a

978
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:30.560
personal I would say, a personal
challenge to bring him back to society.

979
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:35.159
You know, people love him,
people like him, people want to see

980
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:40.680
him back, people need him.
Doctor Uribe on the stand, that's right,

981
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:44.840
so he tells Holgan later in the
episode, Uribe, usually, what

982
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:48.800
we prefer is first for you to
try everything that is available. We're at

983
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:54.520
this point talking about surgery because you
already explored everything that's available and you're tired

984
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:57.319
of that. And Hulk grees,
Yeah, yeah, that's true. So

985
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.600
this is clearly the consultation after all
the wayser treatments are done. Maybe has

986
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.119
a bone model and he says for
you, the typical screws and cages to

987
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.479
reconstruct and rebuild and more importantly relieve
your pain would go here, here,

988
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.600
and here, And that's the idea. So he's you know, walking hulk

989
01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:14.279
through with surgery would look like uh
anatomically, and don't forget at the end,

990
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.840
it's your decision. Hulks or exhale, exhales and squints right at that

991
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:24.239
point. Here's a bit of a
testimony. This is from the head of

992
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:28.159
patient relations at Laser It's Fine institute. Now this this guy isn't a doctor,

993
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.880
but he's sort of you know,
involved when it comes to if we

994
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:33.199
have like a VIP patient, we
want to make sure they don't have to

995
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:36.720
wait like a typical patient. We
want to make sure that they're not stuck

996
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.000
in a waiting room with a bunch
of marks. We want to make sure

997
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.239
that things go smoothly. That's the
last thing you want to be absolutely a

998
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.560
bunch of marks, especially especially the
holster. It's not it's just not the

999
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:56.000
experience I expected, dude, I
mean a bunch of fucking you know,

1000
01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:59.439
wrestling marks. Brother, So their
marks in there, brother, No come

1001
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.159
here, no brother. Now,
by the way, does Nop show up

1002
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.479
in this episode to co Hogan breakfast. Essentially, yes he does. Did

1003
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:10.960
we make the shit up? No? We did not, so y when

1004
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.840
he when he my god show up, I had to fucking pause, did

1005
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:20.560
you? And I had to just
fucking I At first I laughed, and

1006
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:25.920
then I just put my hand,
my head in my hands for like five

1007
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:32.000
minutes. It's amazing at this those
are the moments we lived for. Unbelievable.

1008
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.680
I mean, I felt betrayed.
I got mad at Knobs when I

1009
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:40.720
saw that, remembering how ye much
he blew off our questions at the Wrestle

1010
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.840
Con this year. That's available on
Patreon where we asked him, you know

1011
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:48.560
about staying at Hogan's house and being
by Hogan's bedside, and he was like,

1012
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:51.840
what are you talking about? Like
I asked me, I thinking,

1013
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:55.159
yeah, where did I get this
idea from? It's from this show.

1014
01:11:55.520 --> 01:12:00.399
Do you know why? Because your
life is Hulk Hogan, your life evolves

1015
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.800
around Hulk Hogan, and you allow
that to happen that you need that to

1016
01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:12.640
happen. Further, So, this
gentleman is asked and he noticed something kind

1017
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:16.039
of peculiar and some of the interactions
Hulkogan had with the docks at Laser Spine

1018
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.039
Institute. He's kind of a fly
on the wall here, but he does

1019
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:21.000
have a unique vantage point on everything, and this is what he offers.

1020
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.520
He was being told by his physicians
at Laser Spine Institute what he could or

1021
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:28.800
could not. Did you ever see
him act flippant? This gentleman is asked

1022
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.960
by a lawyer about the instructions when
Hult's being told, you know what you

1023
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.319
can and can't do if you have
this surgery, or joke about the postoperative

1024
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.279
instructions, or say well I'm gonna
go do this or anything like that,

1025
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.760
or what that was that not ever
in front of you that you can remember,

1026
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.640
And the gentleman says in response,
the facial expressions were there. I'm

1027
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:48.960
not sure I could hear him actually
say what he was saying, but you

1028
01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.880
know, in my opinion, I
think that he had in his mind that

1029
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:54.960
you know, he was better,
bigger and better and stronger than most people,

1030
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.439
and that the rules didn't affect him. And he even goes on to

1031
01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:01.720
say later that one point he remembers
help using the word bullshit in terms of

1032
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:04.560
being told that you know, if
you have the surgery, Hulk, you

1033
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:10.640
can't do this in the gym,
because could this all just be as fucking

1034
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.159
prosaic as Hulk Hogan's addicted to fucking
working out? Does this go all the

1035
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.399
way back to the whole premise of
trial of his life and bigger, faster,

1036
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.920
stronger and all that shit, you
know what I mean? Does it

1037
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:24.279
all go back to the fact that
help very very well may have benefited from

1038
01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:27.720
these things if he didn't insist on
clanging and banging every day of his life,

1039
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.239
even after his back is telling him
stop doing this. Dude, you

1040
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.800
gotta get down to Jim Brother.
He got some hanging and banging man,

1041
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:38.680
Oh you don't want to have,
you know, mashed potato muscles, Brothers.

1042
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.760
All those lines he can't use anymore
if he starts having noodles on his

1043
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:44.880
arms. Twenty four inch pythons,
I mean, think about it. He's

1044
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:47.399
he has no reason to wake up
in the morning if he can sing about

1045
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.800
twenty four inch pythons. I mean, that's and we look at him now,

1046
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.760
look at the state of the man. Look at the videos he posts

1047
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:57.720
to promote his money at karaoke.
He is just his His biceps are as

1048
01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.520
big as ever an I or what
it takes to get there. But he's

1049
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.600
there, and you're gonna tell me
that if a back surgeon tells Hulk,

1050
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:10.279
listen, if we do this,
you cannot work out that he's going to

1051
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.479
not work Of course he's going to
work out. If he doesn't work out,

1052
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.640
he might as well have pulled that
trigger when he was tapping the edge

1053
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.239
of the barrel on his teeth for
Leila Lee called and saved his life.

1054
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:26.000
The only reason he exists is to
lift weights and then enjoy all the benefits

1055
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.640
that that's sprout from there. I
mean Hulk Cogan. A Hulk Cogan that

1056
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.119
doesn't lift like you know, if
what happened to magnum Ta or what happened

1057
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.720
to Lex Luger happened Hulk Cogan,
I think he'd off himself within a week.

1058
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:41.960
Yes, that could be wrong.
You know, maybe I don't have

1059
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.560
enough of a maybe I'm not giving
his strength of spirit enough credit, But

1060
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.680
I don't know it. As I
read between the lines and some of the

1061
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.479
things that people were saying that we're
defending laser spine in this whole thing,

1062
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:56.399
it seems to me that Hulk was
not giving these treatments a very good chance

1063
01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:00.000
to succeed. He was telling himself
that these things were going to get him

1064
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:01.600
where he needed to be so he
could hustle to get back in the ring.

1065
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.720
Right. And as we discovered,
one of the key thesis points is

1066
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:10.079
if Hulk Cogan isn't about to wrestle
or isn't wrestling, he actually means less

1067
01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:16.199
than anybody else in DNA. So
first postop, mister Billy was asked whether

1068
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:19.079
he was exercising and he said no, correct, this gentleman is asked,

1069
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:24.199
he says correct, right, And
then you saw his girlfriend Jennifer now his

1070
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:30.079
wife Jennifer shaking her head no when
Holk said he wasn't working out correct?

1071
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.720
Do you know if she was shaking
her head no that he wasn't exercising or

1072
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:38.159
no, that he was exercising.
I think the question was are you doing

1073
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:41.640
any exercises? And he said no, and she said like, no,

1074
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.439
no, that's not right, that's
not correct. Yes he was. Did

1075
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:50.359
she verbally say that no? Todd
did meet Todd Farmer Boston. You notice

1076
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:53.760
in some of these clips when he
walks in and out of the doctor's office,

1077
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:58.119
there's this other big dude with them. I didn't notice that. No,

1078
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:00.359
yeah, it's this. They didn't
never identify him on the show.

1079
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.119
But his name is Todd Farmer.
He was never pro wrestler as far as

1080
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:06.239
I could tell, but he was
basically like similar to how we describe Brian

1081
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.479
Nobbs. He follows Hogan around.
Hogan will say, call Todd if you

1082
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.920
need to get to me, and
he's like his medical consult, he's his

1083
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.600
scheduling consult. He's, you know, shoulder to cry on. You know,

1084
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:23.880
they're in the truck dealing with phone
calls around, all these back procedures,

1085
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:27.560
as Todd Farmer later speaks to in
his deposition, which will excerpt as

1086
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.199
well in this episode. So just
get to know Todd Farmer. Okay,

1087
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:35.960
okay. So Todd verbally said no, he was exercising. Yes. When

1088
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.319
we stepped out of the room,
I said, Todd, is he working

1089
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.600
out? He said yes. Okay. Jennifer, all you saw her doing

1090
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.880
was shaking her head in a no
direction. Correct, right, brother,

1091
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:54.840
Back at the small house, now
that Holt has been forced to move into

1092
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.520
post divorce. Yes, not the
one we saw on Hogan knows best.

1093
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.199
The one we see on Brookno's best
because with that real estate footprint, you

1094
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:06.079
can't argue you Hogan knows best anymore. It looks like a bungalow. Oh

1095
01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:12.000
yeah, it's just it's a very
modest home. And this is the home

1096
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.640
that apparently he married Jennifer on the
steps of in December twenty ten. After

1097
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:26.399
the surgery. Yo, Brookie,
I get this, Yo Brookie, I

1098
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:29.840
need to sit down, Sashimi.
There serious form. So I was with

1099
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.239
Cindy going on my bills. I
saw that, you know what do I

1100
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.720
do give the forty thousand dollars you
know it's a lemon Charlie for support and

1101
01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:40.600
pay my light built? Or do
I pay my mom's nursing home. Yeah,

1102
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.840
I don't have enough money to pay
everybody. So I gotta get back

1103
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:47.159
on my feet. If I go
get the surgery that I need with all

1104
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.720
the needle in my back and all
the steel rods, I'll be out like

1105
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.399
six or eight months and I can't
be down there long. I was talking

1106
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:59.399
with the doctors. I might do
this laser type spine surgery, you know,

1107
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:01.520
so are you talking about. It's
a laser with the scope and they'll

1108
01:18:01.560 --> 01:18:04.600
go down both sides of my back
and they'll clean out all the spurs and

1109
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.720
all the stuff that's causing me pain. They don't care about putting metal in

1110
01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.319
my back and steal bars and straight
in my spine up. They just care

1111
01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.840
about getting out of pain. So
you're saying that the laser is going to

1112
01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.399
leave your bones how they are,
but make your bones not hurt how they

1113
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.279
are. Right. You can always
have the metal put in your back,

1114
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:25.199
to steel rods and screws, all
the cages. But I may never be

1115
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:27.439
able to go back to work and
wrestle. You know, all these great

1116
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.319
doctors have told me try everything first, every option. If they get me

1117
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.960
out of pain, I can go
back to work. This laser surgery could

1118
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:38.800
be the fix I need. Why
not go for that? The only problem

1119
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:41.560
is I might not be able to
come to your concert. That my concert

1120
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:45.439
doesn't even matter. You've been to
fifty of them to like your big comeback.

1121
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.600
Forty thousand people in my jammie is
a big deal. I want you

1122
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:53.279
to take care of yourself. The
most important thing is you need to go

1123
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.359
back to Miami and do your show. I'm going to stay here with you.

1124
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:00.119
I just want you to feel better. Well. There is important we

1125
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:03.119
get forty thousand people in my Jammi's
dude, you know what he meant there?

1126
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.600
Right? Yes, I know what
he meant. I I got to

1127
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:09.880
play it like three times, like
did you just say my jammies? What

1128
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.800
is he talking about? So fucking
But apparently he thinks it's cool to pronounce

1129
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.239
Miami that way. I would disagree. I definitely think it's I would disagree

1130
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:23.960
wholeheartedly. And do you notice he's
sitting I can't imagine a less advisable position

1131
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.520
to sit in than he is with
his back problems. He's like sitting on

1132
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:30.600
a right, He's like crouched over
on a lounge chair, but he's sitting

1133
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.039
on like the seat of it,
and it's just like at an angle,

1134
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:38.239
killing your back. Bro Seriously,
I don't even know how he could get

1135
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:41.520
get down to that position. Here's
the thing, brother, I was whole

1136
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:45.920
cogan in the situation. Dude,
I see Olsen Trey Balaya. I was

1137
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:50.800
on camera hold him and again,
Brooke, if I were to tell you

1138
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:55.000
that one of the segments of the
reality show involves you and your dad sitting

1139
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:57.800
down and having a conversation where he
said to you that he needed to get

1140
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:00.199
back on his feet and go to
work. That would probably be something made

1141
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:05.600
up for television. Probably would be
your testimony. And if your dad were

1142
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:09.079
to sit down and say that he
was paying your mom forty thousand bucks a

1143
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.600
month as part of the separation and
he needed to go back to work to

1144
01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:14.840
meet expenses, that would be made
up for the television show. I don't

1145
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:20.439
know, really because I don't recall
the actual conversation we had off camera versus

1146
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:24.560
the made up one we had on
camera. Oh that was freaky because the

1147
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:26.880
first thing she says is I don't
know. So I was like, is

1148
01:20:26.880 --> 01:20:28.920
he reading this? I didn't give
him this? Is he reading this?

1149
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.199
But that's kind of what she says. I don't know about my parents divorce,

1150
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.279
And like I said, anything that's
on TV I can't validate as being

1151
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:39.319
real because it's all TV. And
I fielm hours and hours of TV of

1152
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:43.960
made up stuff and dramatize stuff.
But you talk to your dad off camera

1153
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:48.279
too, Yeah, he's my father. So did he tell your father?

1154
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:53.239
What's that? Don't you talk to
your father? She had? She turns

1155
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:56.560
the table, which I say,
I don't talk to my dad unless it's

1156
01:20:56.560 --> 01:21:00.279
on Do you talk to your father
on television or just off camera? Sir,

1157
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.199
Well, I'm not a TV star, man, then we don't even

1158
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:13.520
know what you talk about. Then
exam camera, everything you say is fiction.

1159
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:15.279
I would prefer, sir, for
the duration of this deposition, you

1160
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:20.720
didn't project your personal issues on me. I would prefer, sir, that

1161
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:27.439
you wouldn't project your dissatisfaction with your
relationship with your father because he never got

1162
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:31.159
you on TV right when you're talking
to me, please, So did he

1163
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:33.680
tell you anything off camera like that, like, hey, Brook, I

1164
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.960
need to get to work to pay
some bills and I really don't want to

1165
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:41.439
be held late up for twelve months
or eight months? Did that conversation ever

1166
01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:45.199
happen off camera? Answer? He
kept his divorce with my mother kind of

1167
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.720
out of our kid's eyeline, so
we didn't really know much about what was

1168
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:50.079
going on with their divorce. But
he's look, he looks right in the

1169
01:21:50.079 --> 01:21:55.039
eye on this show. It's his
forty thousand bucks. You're gonna forget that.

1170
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:59.520
You're gonna pretend that he never said
that in real life to you too.

1171
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:02.079
She had a big contract coming up. She's very busy. Okay,

1172
01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:04.680
well, I guess my question is
more general. He says to her,

1173
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:06.720
did he ever sit you down and
say, you know, I need to

1174
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:10.640
get back to work to meet expenses. He didn't have to reference the divorce.

1175
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:15.760
No, no, no, I
never needed to work. So,

1176
01:22:15.800 --> 01:22:18.239
as best you can recall, there
was never a conversation that you had with

1177
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:21.479
your dad off camera where he said
anything like, you know, I really

1178
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:25.680
don't want to or can't afford to
be on my back for eight to twelve

1179
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:31.880
months recovering. I don't recall talking
about money with him. I don't recall

1180
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.000
you asking me a question. I
didn't recall that being an answer to the

1181
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:40.359
question either. Brooke, okay,
because you know she's all she's all tripping

1182
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:43.760
on the fact that forty thousand dollars
a month number is probably total cafe and

1183
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:45.000
he didn't have to pay her that
much. That would be my guests.

1184
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.079
I mean, I would say that
the whole thing is, like you know,

1185
01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.800
as we as we talked about when
we did that, when we were

1186
01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:56.520
talking about some of the lawsuits,
how he was, what was it?

1187
01:22:56.600 --> 01:23:00.479
He was, well, the settlement
with the Graziano family, right. Raziano

1188
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.239
family attorney later came out and said
that I can't tell you what the settlement

1189
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:06.239
was, but he is way over
exaggerating how much he had to pay,

1190
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:12.199
right exactly. He's probably claiming,
like, but there's something there's some legal

1191
01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:20.159
term where he where you where you
you've talked about this where you're you're yeah,

1192
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:25.720
what was it like, Oh,
like they sue for so much,

1193
01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:30.479
but we didn't know how much was
actually paid or right? Yeah, yeah,

1194
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.079
well that's that. That was the
The jury in the Gawker case awarded

1195
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:39.199
him one hundred and ten million of
damages, but they couldn't pay one hundred

1196
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:42.159
ten million in damages. So but
it was something else it was it was

1197
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:45.359
it was during one of the other
lawsuits though. It was something where we

1198
01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:51.479
were talking about how Hogan was sued, but he made it seem like he

1199
01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:56.600
had to pay all this money,
but it didn't actually say how much he

1200
01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:59.319
actually paid, right, right,
Yeah, I know what you mean.

1201
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:03.720
There's probably insurance too, right,
you know, like there's probably some degree

1202
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.199
because he did he did turn around
and sue the insurance company that was supposed

1203
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:13.039
to that he thought or he claimed
he thought covered him in the in the

1204
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.640
event of an accident like Nick suffered, saying that they misrepresented what was and

1205
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:21.039
wasn't covered in in that insurance,
So clearly they were engaging insurance too to

1206
01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:25.479
pay some of this money. So
perhaps that pushback from the Graziano side was

1207
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:29.000
not that it wasn't as much as
it was said, but the idea that

1208
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:30.960
all every last cent of that came
out of Hulk Cogan's wallet is a joke.

1209
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:36.359
Maybe that's what it is. There's
also um with the Lenda divorce and

1210
01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:40.600
how much she got. There was
some dispute about that too, in terms

1211
01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:43.760
of like what didn't didn't count right, like I had to do with the

1212
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:48.000
divorce where we had a specific conversation
where there was something like, you know,

1213
01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:51.520
it says, I forget what it
was. Yeah, well it's in

1214
01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:55.439
there. It's in it's buried somewhere
in the hours and hours and hours we

1215
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.600
talked about this, this phase of
Hulk Cogan's life. But suffice to say

1216
01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:01.399
here, Brook Hogan is not going
there. She is not going to act

1217
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:08.159
like Hulk Hogan ever told her a
single thing about I'm sorry my parents are

1218
01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:14.520
divorced. Essentially, it's what she's
saying, yes, and that's a big

1219
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:17.520
thing. I mean, remember how
strenuously the attorney started objecting when Hulk started

1220
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:24.600
talking about potentially how much money was
exchanged in the divorce with Linda. During

1221
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:27.159
his deposition in this case, they
went nuts. They were like, whoa,

1222
01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:29.920
Yeah, you can't talk about that. Don't talk about that. Don't

1223
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:35.319
talk about that or what the problem
is unless there's something that would be you

1224
01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:41.039
know, something that's commonly understood that
would be contradicted by the facts. I

1225
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:43.560
don't recall talking about money with him, She says, okay, And if

1226
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:46.279
that conversation took place on camera,
it was probably made up, She's asked.

1227
01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:50.880
Her answer, probably, m so
what we just heard is made up.

1228
01:25:53.079 --> 01:26:00.239
Probably. They asked Todd Farmer about
this as well. In his deposition.

1229
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:02.800
Um, you know, the attorneys
were calling things like I got to

1230
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:04.960
pay for mine my mother to be
a nursing home, et cetera. Go

1231
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:10.439
sure X amount per month, I
need this job that would Farmer cuts off

1232
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.720
the lawyer. I understand where you're
going with that, but you gotta know

1233
01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:18.560
Terry, and they repeat, I
understand where you're going with that, but

1234
01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:23.359
you gotta know Terry. And knowing
Terry back when he I mean, I

1235
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:27.920
knew him when he was making two
twenty million dollars a year, when Terry

1236
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:30.640
had a bunch of money in the
bank and everything was great. When when

1237
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:39.079
was that exactly toy WCW Yeah,
yeah, between million dollars a year.

1238
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:42.880
Yeah, I can see it for
sure, between his cut of the six

1239
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:46.840
pay per views he was contracted to
be on merchandise totally. Yeah, I

1240
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:50.439
guess that's true. That crazy as
contract very much. Oh yeah, when

1241
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:57.039
he's when he's given when he's given
fucking um, you know, given cuts

1242
01:26:57.079 --> 01:27:00.359
of all all toys, whether or
not he's fucking soul and wo. Stuff

1243
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.439
all flows to him, and in
a larger degree than it does to anybody

1244
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:10.680
else. He's he's contractually guaranteed six
million dollars plus his flat paid days to

1245
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:14.720
come on pay per view before his
percentage even kicks into the buys. I

1246
01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:16.000
mean, the guy cashes two checks
it for pay per views. He doesn't

1247
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.920
even wrestle on at the end of
his w W run, just runs away

1248
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:23.920
with the money. Remember that from
bachel of the Beach two thousand. So

1249
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.840
he's yeah, he's fucking paid.
He's staying paid from many, many different

1250
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:32.800
sources. When Terry had a bunch
of money in the bank, Farmer says,

1251
01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:38.439
and everything was great. He still
worries about money. That's the insight

1252
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:43.279
you need about Hulk. How much
money he has? He's crying poor,

1253
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:47.079
that's just terry. Terry worries about
money. Okay, So when all that

1254
01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:50.560
money was going out, did it
worry him? Absolutely? But you asked

1255
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:54.359
me, did he have to go
to work? No, he didn't have

1256
01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:57.159
to go to work to make money. Something tells me this is the last

1257
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:01.800
time Todd Farmer ever gave deposition on
Hulk Cogan's bad brother. What are you

1258
01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:05.520
doing? What do you? You
fucked me? Brother? I let you

1259
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:09.720
under the tent. Brother. We
gotta we gotta dizeal here. We got

1260
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:14.600
an understis ending brother, and you're
throwing the whole narrative off. Dude,

1261
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:19.279
dude, who are you working for? Exactly? You've been talking to Bubba

1262
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:26.319
brother? All right? Brother?
Are you are you? Are you Bubba's

1263
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:32.119
army brother? Are you Bubba's army
Are you gonna like take that shirt off

1264
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:39.039
to reveal a Bubba's army vest?
What are we doing? Dude? What

1265
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:42.239
are we doing? But you asked
me, did he have to go to

1266
01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:44.720
work? No, he didn't have
to go to work to make money.

1267
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:47.479
He was He's got money but he
worries about money. That's just his that's

1268
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:51.319
just terry. I mean a lot
of folks don't know this. Todd Farmer

1269
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:55.720
is definitely the guy that wants you
to know that he knows Hull Cogan better

1270
01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.239
than most. Oh exactly, you
can see it, can't you. Yeah,

1271
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:01.319
A lot of people none knows about
Todd. Tell me. I mean,

1272
01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:03.359
look, I just I can't.
I can't get enough. I'm just

1273
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:08.159
here's what you gotta know about too, exactly tell me. Yeah, let's

1274
01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:14.920
you know, people, people Fitti's
whole Cogan, right, people, you

1275
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:16.159
know what. He's a regular human
being. You know, you know,

1276
01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:21.119
I go back decades. I mean
look, and the thing is, I

1277
01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.920
don't have to kiss his ass.
That's a difference. Everybody else in his

1278
01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:26.880
life has to kiss his ass.
I don't have to kiss his ass.

1279
01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:30.359
I mean, look, look,
I know when he's I know when he's

1280
01:29:30.359 --> 01:29:32.840
bullshitting. He knows that. I
know. It's it's a thing together.

1281
01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:38.479
We do fucking coke together. We
I get it, we get it right,

1282
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.279
I get him, he gets me, all right. It's it's just

1283
01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:43.600
a thing. It's just the way
it is, and it's and I'm grateful

1284
01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:45.640
for it. But at the same
time, you don't. You wouldn't understand

1285
01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:53.439
unless you really gets what I do. Tell me more cool stories, Todd.

1286
01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.319
I'm fascinated. Well, you asked
me, did he have to go

1287
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:05.880
to why the carpet all wet?
Todd? No, he didn't have to

1288
01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:09.600
go to work to make money.
He's got money. But he worries about

1289
01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.159
money. That's just that's just Terry. I mean a lot of folks don't

1290
01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:14.840
know this. He had. He
went to school for accounting. Brother,

1291
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:17.760
you probably didn't know that either.
But he worries about money. That's just

1292
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:23.600
him. He went to school for
accounting, all right, Yeah, account

1293
01:30:23.640 --> 01:30:29.239
of the Gate. Just because you're
the biggest starred wrestling and can dictate terms

1294
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:32.600
doesn't mean you're an accounting whiz.
It means you're a fucking charismatic superhero who

1295
01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:36.800
knows how to fucking you know what
I mean, dictate terms exactly. And

1296
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:41.760
when he's talking to his fans on
a TV show or radio show, he's

1297
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:45.159
asked, Todd, farmers asked by
the attorney is he being forthcoming with them?

1298
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.239
And you know, well, then
he's being whole Cogan, which that's

1299
01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:51.359
different. Yeah, come on,
I mean you know, that's the whole

1300
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:56.399
Cogan thing coming. It's just a
different, whole different bees. I mean,

1301
01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:58.399
that's exactly what. Listen. Somebody
says, well, then he's being

1302
01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:00.720
whole Cogan, which that's different than
being Terry Blea. That's that's two different

1303
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.640
things. And let me guess,
Todd, you know Terry Boleya, not

1304
01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:06.680
Hul Coogan. Right, yeah,
okay, of course you're the one guy.

1305
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:10.840
Listen, listen, I know,
I know, I know Terry Blea.

1306
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:15.119
I've I've certainly been in front of
Hulkogan. All right, I get

1307
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:21.319
it, I get it. Listen. Oh god, it's nauseating. It's

1308
01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:25.960
confusing. You know, it's confusing. You know, I get it,

1309
01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:30.279
you know, but you know you're
just not part of that, all right,

1310
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:33.800
you don't, you don't get it? Yeah, okay, in you

1311
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:38.600
gotta be in. You know,
something tells me you're only at the level

1312
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:42.479
between Hulk and Terry. You haven't
reached Terry. But someone someone tells me

1313
01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:45.640
that, uh that that that you
know, you've only been let in as

1314
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:50.039
much as Terry is letting you be
in. Yeah, something tells me you've

1315
01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:54.479
only just seen a second dimension of
Hulk Coogan, not a not a first

1316
01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:59.560
dimension of Terry Balia. That's all
I'm saying. If he's talking about his

1317
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.520
medical condition, this man has asked
in an actual court of law or an

1318
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:06.960
actual deposition, he's asked this question. If he's talking about his medical condition,

1319
01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:11.720
is he Hulk, Cogan or tery
ballet? Everybody? Fucking thing comes

1320
01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.920
in every case he's involved in.
I don't know what you're talking about.

1321
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.119
When it happened. So, I
mean, would he tell everybody? Would

1322
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:21.760
he tell everybody his secrets? No? Probably not? No. What me

1323
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:27.000
however, right, that's the the
implication there, me, he tell me

1324
01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:29.439
his secrets? Sure, Yeah,
I know I know all the secrets.

1325
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:34.279
Yeah, you know I have had
you know, I had those those uh

1326
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:39.439
those those those kind of one on
ones that most people only dream about.

1327
01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:44.000
Yeah, hey, you already told
me one time. And I probably didn't

1328
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:48.800
be saying this, but we're we're
on the hulk, you know, hulk

1329
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.640
as a fire pit wherever, you
know, something like that, out back.

1330
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:58.159
We're sitting around the fire pit one
night drinking and he says to me,

1331
01:32:58.159 --> 01:33:00.760
he says, you know, Todd, I never thought, etc.

1332
01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:05.239
I don't have to finish the thought. Wow. He said that to you,

1333
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:08.439
Todd, did he It was one
of those nights, you though,

1334
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:13.199
right, you got to picture it. It doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't

1335
01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:16.600
happen often, you know. He
he's got so siss, a whole new

1336
01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:21.560
character. It's thinking me so nauseous. He's got a bottle of Louis the

1337
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:25.239
fourteenth. I want you to picture
this, all right, I want to.

1338
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:28.159
You can't understand no one, you
know, we're talking, right,

1339
01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:32.920
hundreds of dollars a shot Louis,
you know, but this one night he

1340
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:36.199
goes and grabs the Louis. All
right, We're just sitting around the fire

1341
01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:41.960
pit, and you know, he
says, he says, Todd, bub

1342
01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:50.199
Todd Alan Clem dude. Wait is
your name? You're not Bubba dude?

1343
01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:58.439
And he says, I'm gonna tell
you the biggest secret of the wrestling business.

1344
01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:01.640
And come he leans in and he
does. I can't. I can't

1345
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:09.439
tell you obviously. Oh my god, as if I couldn't be any more

1346
01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:15.199
furious that this imaginary person we created. All right, Jeff Farmer, why

1347
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:27.119
don't gonna be fake sting? I
de haven't hated a Farmer this much since

1348
01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:35.720
fucking godwins. Oh man, So
this attorney clearly out of his wits at

1349
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:40.520
this point. I mean every single
person he's getting depositions from. He's got

1350
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:45.399
to talk about this whole Cogan Terry
Beala duality. Imagine that every lawyer who's

1351
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:51.600
gone against Hule Cogan throughout this period, like there day one, you know,

1352
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:58.359
like opening opening arguments and whatever.
Very clean cut, you know,

1353
01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:03.680
like you know, hair is like
perfectly content. They're clean shaven, you

1354
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:09.359
know, the tie, everything just
perfect. And by the end, their

1355
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:14.279
hair is a complete disaster. They
have grown like fifty percent of the hair

1356
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:17.520
has gone white. It's just all
over the place. They have not shaved

1357
01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:25.119
since the opening, opening day,
and they just come I picture a little

1358
01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:30.239
bit, but like even more disheveled. Stanley Tucci in uh It's Spotlight.

1359
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:40.800
Stanley tuccin Spotlight. Yes, yes, even more disheveled, wearing like wrinkled,

1360
01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:46.880
baggy khakis. You know, just
like completely sweet disaster. Stanley is

1361
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:54.960
he Garabedian in that movie? Mens? Look at him, counselor the glasses

1362
01:35:55.000 --> 01:36:00.359
on the edge of his nose,
fucking files everywhere. You don't you don't

1363
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:08.239
sound like you're from Boston, you
know, sound like so good? Stanley

1364
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:11.800
Tucci's definitely fucking money. Oh he's
fucking great. I mean, isn't he

1365
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:16.199
Yes? Has he ever done under
the cinemat? I feel like now once

1366
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.880
we haven't we haven't had him yet. No, Wow, I can see

1367
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.159
You're like, we've got maybe we
got one thing that he's in. I

1368
01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.800
feel like I can see him on
the screen in the cinemat mode. I

1369
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:30.039
would have done it. I would
have done dive on him though, right

1370
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:35.000
sure, So this exasperated lawyer,
It's like, okay, if he's being

1371
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:38.439
filmed by and I'm not talking about
the reality show, but I'm talking about

1372
01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:41.479
the documentary. He was video tape
talking to doctor Gruber, where Terry's saying,

1373
01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:43.319
you know, you guys have done
a good job, done a great

1374
01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:45.520
job. I can do these things
that you said I can, I'd be

1375
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:47.399
able to do. Did you think
he was being honest? Yeah, so

1376
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.520
I forget. By the way,
that's an important point. And the Finding

1377
01:36:49.520 --> 01:36:54.239
Whole Cogen documentary that we talked about
when we covered his return match to Wrestle,

1378
01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:55.920
you know, in the tag match
with the Biss on the March eight

1379
01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:59.880
twenty had impact the first Monday Night
Live show. Um, this documentary has

1380
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:03.039
him singing the praises of this laser
spine treatment. You know, he's he's

1381
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:05.279
he's saying, this is exactly where
he needs to be and it lets him

1382
01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:08.960
wrestle. And it's not supposed to
do any of these things. He's not

1383
01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:12.239
supposed to interpret this laser spine.
The thing is allowing him to wrestle,

1384
01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:15.359
but he needs he needs some pretense, some pretext to be able to wrestle.

1385
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.920
And it's, you know, reading
into this surgery something that he could

1386
01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:23.000
never realistically expect it to achieve.
And if if you read the depositions of

1387
01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:26.119
the other doctors involved, they never
told them to expect to be able to

1388
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:29.399
wrestle after you do these things.
They expressly told the opposite. And you

1389
01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:31.079
can see in Finding Whole Cogan he's
picking at that notion. He's picking at

1390
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:33.640
it. He's he's trying to say, yeah, but what about Yeah,

1391
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:38.439
but what about you know, it's
literally asking doctor Gruber, like, well,

1392
01:37:38.439 --> 01:37:40.640
look what if you look at the
X ray this way? Can't we

1393
01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:42.880
just clean this out? It's like, no, you won't be able to

1394
01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:45.520
move if I do that. If
I do what about this, dude?

1395
01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:49.479
What if I what if I'm kind
of instead of walking up walking my hands

1396
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:54.720
and said, but oh what if? Um, how about this stock?

1397
01:37:54.760 --> 01:37:57.800
How about I do everything you tell
me not to do and then sue you

1398
01:37:57.880 --> 01:38:00.640
when it doesn't turn out the right? Well? How about you? How

1399
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:03.479
about you don't tell me anything anymore? Brother, right tell me any sort

1400
01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:06.119
of negative thing. No, I
don't even want that, brother, Brother,

1401
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:09.399
I don't, dude. I could
see you're about to say something.

1402
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:13.920
Dude, Dude, I don't even
cover his mouth. Todd covers mouths due.

1403
01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:15.560
We had to do it. We
had to do it. Doc.

1404
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.079
You didn't even let me finish what
I was gonna say. What I was

1405
01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:24.520
gonna say is what I don't want
to know, because if this all fucks

1406
01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:29.840
up, I want to sue you, Doc, and I don't appreciate you

1407
01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:32.720
not allowing me to preserve my right
to sue you. Brother. I'm I'm

1408
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.760
really dude, You're You're I'm You're
kind of pissing me off right now,

1409
01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:42.000
brother, by you denying me my
right for justice right, and I fight

1410
01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:45.279
for the right of every man,
including docs like you, scumbag low life

1411
01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:48.039
docs like you do. If anything, Brother, I fight for I fight

1412
01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:53.279
for all all Americans, brother,
especially fight for whole home? Right?

1413
01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:58.800
Is it doctor Gruber or should we
add an extra be to that brother starting

1414
01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:02.479
to worry? Or is it fucking
Hans Gruber from fire? We could all

1415
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.800
be so lucky, right, So
yeah, he says, um, do

1416
01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:09.399
you think he was being honest Todd
when he said this on the Whole Cog

1417
01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:14.680
on the Finding Whole Cogan documentary?
That Wow, you gotta known, Terry,

1418
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:19.880
Yeah, he's making you know,
it's a documentary, Yes, in

1419
01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:28.079
fairy but you know you can't always
take that. You can't always take that

1420
01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:35.359
tard especially with Terry. You gotta
know. You know, Hey, Terry's

1421
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:43.880
gonna Terry. Yeah, you could
all be so lucky. How did it

1422
01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:48.199
take us this long DNH to find
Todd Farmer? You could have used this

1423
01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:53.359
guy from the very beginning. You
would have been a main character. Oh

1424
01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:56.840
my god, that's what you get
for showing up in the background of Brookno's

1425
01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:01.840
best the Lost episode. So yeah, like you played in the clip Hulk

1426
01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.079
sits with Brooke, I was talking
with the doctors, I might do the

1427
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:09.079
laser type spine surgery and when Brook
says, what laser are you talking about?

1428
01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:12.560
That clearly is inserted in post you
can always tell the different sound Oh

1429
01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:15.000
yeah, yeah. If they don't. If they don't, if they don't

1430
01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:17.960
have a clip of them actually saying
it, they have made up something,

1431
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.600
or they get him in the studio
and make them say it. Right,

1432
01:40:20.760 --> 01:40:25.239
that's what I mean, like either
they got it from someplace else or they

1433
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:28.479
made it up. Like it's completely
it's not a real scenario. I mean,

1434
01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:32.119
soon they'll just be able to have
everybody in the reality show, um

1435
01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.600
sit for a day, right,
come on, well you know where I'm

1436
01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:36.840
going with this, or even get
me started on this show. Huh,

1437
01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:41.840
what the fuck? Buss hucks,
you paid for one day's work and for

1438
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:46.680
the rest of the rest of our
human existence. Using artificial intelligence, we

1439
01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:49.600
can just put you in any movie. We want the fact that that was

1440
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:56.039
that that wasn't a threat, that
was a proposition us. I mean,

1441
01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:59.560
that's more than we are obliged to
offer you. You should be grateful.

1442
01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:08.399
Oh man, a boss. It's
bad. It's bad. It's bad.

1443
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:14.920
It's it is an existential showdown.
It is like the the fight. I

1444
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:18.479
um so I should say I should
Actually it's funny to bring that up because

1445
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:24.359
actually I meant to say this too, that uh, there has been since

1446
01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:29.319
I did post. I did post
about the strike on Instagram, And um,

1447
01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:35.239
I should say that because that we're
in a unique situation here at the

1448
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:41.279
lapse Van right. Just so,
because this is an independently produced podcast,

1449
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:46.520
we are a SAG podcast. We
are a SAG a podcast. But because

1450
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:53.439
we're independently produced and have nothing to
do with the producers and like of stuff

1451
01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:58.680
in the producers union and whatever,
we therefore can continue to do our show.

1452
01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:03.760
Yes, this is this key,
Yeah, the U. But um,

1453
01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:12.359
I remember in regards to this whole
fucking AI thing, it's gonna be

1454
01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:15.800
fine, by the way, it's
gonna be. It's not gonna be abused.

1455
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:18.199
It's gonna be fine. Of course, of course we'll just trust everybody.

1456
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:24.199
God do I hate fucking technology?
You were going to say, I

1457
01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:28.119
remember, so, I remember the
first time I noticed something like this.

1458
01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:30.640
I'm sure it happened before, but
the first time I ever noticed something that

1459
01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:36.199
was drastic where I was like somebody's
likeness was being used in a movie that

1460
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:48.159
they weren't even in was Terminator.
Salvation movie came out. I don't know

1461
01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:53.479
when to twenty ten, maybe twenty
two thousand and nine, whatever it is.

1462
01:42:54.000 --> 01:43:06.439
And at the end of the movie
they have a basically a completely computer

1463
01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:16.680
animated Arnold Schwarzenegger from like nineteen eighty
four Terminator shown up, face everything.

1464
01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:19.800
It's not him, And the whole
thing was that this was a big deal

1465
01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:23.439
because that he wasn't in it,
because I think, yeah, he was

1466
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:26.000
still governor at the time, and
so he had nothing to do with this

1467
01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:30.960
movie because he couldn't, and it
was the first Terminator without him. But

1468
01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:35.760
yet here it is, and there
he is, and I remember thinking,

1469
01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:42.800
wow, that's kind of cool.
But wait a minute, yes, and

1470
01:43:43.000 --> 01:43:48.239
immediately thinking to myself because it was, you know, for the time,

1471
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.039
it was very good. It's not
even near what they fucking do now,

1472
01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:56.359
like what I can do my fucking
phone, for Christ's sake, you know.

1473
01:43:58.159 --> 01:44:00.800
It's yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm surprised it took this long

1474
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:05.520
to become a real issue. It's
yeah, it's it's interesting. We're starting

1475
01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:09.439
to see, like mid journey,
we're starting to see like things that are

1476
01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:12.720
being produced though that look incredible.
Yes, ay, as far as like

1477
01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.720
convincing video scenario, you just type
of scenario, it's not it's the technology

1478
01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:19.239
was there it's now the front end
is there to like do it with two

1479
01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:24.119
keystrokes. And I guess that's where
the real issue is, that it's become

1480
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:29.560
this really hard thing. And you
know again the lack of you know,

1481
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.560
because that's a say you know you
can now you don't. You don't need

1482
01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:38.920
the people anymore. The people.
It's not people, you need the imagine.

1483
01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:42.399
That's the leveraging. That's what We're
gonna pay you less than we've ever

1484
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:47.079
paid you before because we have our
little computers, right, and we can

1485
01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:53.880
make you okay. I mean,
it's like it's it's it's so funny how

1486
01:44:55.439 --> 01:45:08.520
how hard people will work to make
Yes, creative people suffer not earn money,

1487
01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:13.960
you know not. They don't want
they don't want creative people to earn

1488
01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.439
a living. It's hard enough as
it is, but we're gonna make it

1489
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:20.199
harder. They wanted to make a
living, but they don't want to let

1490
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.279
them have too much, say so, in what living they make. They

1491
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:26.840
don't want to like have the enterprise
hinge on. They want to have them

1492
01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:29.560
have like four you know, we
don't want them to have it should be

1493
01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:33.399
it should be a hobby, right
exactly exactly. They what they want,

1494
01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:40.720
and I've talked about this before,
is they want, um, a community

1495
01:45:40.840 --> 01:45:45.119
of people that are independently wealthy,
that want fame and success on top of

1496
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.920
it, and so don't really care
how much they get paid. It's all

1497
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.680
gravy to them, right, They're
already living in the house they're living in,

1498
01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:56.760
whether their movie stars or not.
That's that's what they want. Ah,

1499
01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.319
And that that's you know, and
you look at how many actors and

1500
01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:04.920
actresses at a certain level come from
incredibly wealthy families or you know what I

1501
01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:10.760
mean, or come from just like
these charmed New York City existences. It's

1502
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:13.920
like, wait a minute, like
is it is it really something in the

1503
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:18.039
water or is or is the producer
thinking of himself, like who's the least

1504
01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:23.720
likely to notice, uh, you
know, three or four less decimals on

1505
01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:29.439
the paycheck? Right, that's exactly
it. They want everybody, everybody wants

1506
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:32.960
their employee base to be side hustles
exactly. Of course, you know,

1507
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:38.159
they want to all tell themselves that
somebody else's problem to get these people benefits.

1508
01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:44.199
Like it's it's cute notion, but
at a certain point it eliminates the

1509
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:48.319
middle class. Essentially essentially or eliminate
the only means the middle class has to

1510
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:53.439
stay there. There was a good
you know, there was there was a

1511
01:46:53.560 --> 01:46:59.520
time. You know, it's time
you could be essentially a middle class actor

1512
01:46:59.800 --> 01:47:02.399
and you know, you could live
in an area that does good theater.

1513
01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:08.520
You could try to do local commercials
and nick a living. It's like those

1514
01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:12.359
days are long gone many Yeah,
now it's just like this total crapshoot.

1515
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:16.399
It's kind of weird because wrestling has
gone in a different way. Wrestling is

1516
01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:20.399
kind of like, I don't know, you can earn more independently as a

1517
01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:25.760
wrestler than I mean pre COVID especially, but I don't know. Now it's

1518
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:28.720
like not as fraud of an existence. Now I feel like I don't know,

1519
01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:33.079
it's actually better. Yeah, probably
is um you know, without unions,

1520
01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:38.279
which is which is interesting, but
it it kind of it has such

1521
01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:43.960
wild oscillations back and forth that like
you're you're either you come along at the

1522
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.159
right time or you don't, and
you have no general baseline level expectation,

1523
01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.800
like you know, of any of
money coming in, like you just be

1524
01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:55.239
out of favor tomorrow, and like
that isn't all the work you put in

1525
01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:58.239
doesn't matter anymore. Like you've already
you've earned what you're gonna earn on what

1526
01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:00.039
you got. They do get back
in and lot of you know, merchandise

1527
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.159
and stuff, and that does still
those checks still do come after they cut

1528
01:48:03.239 --> 01:48:06.920
you. I think, yeah,
but um, now we're an interesting time.

1529
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:13.319
So it's like, you know,
it's just it's it's so it's hard

1530
01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:18.159
enough as it is. I mean
it, you know, as much as

1531
01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:30.960
as much as the technology has made
things more accessible, it also makes things

1532
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:39.840
so much harder because because now the
hustle becomes more It's like you watch,

1533
01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:48.199
um, any stand up comedian has
to be posting at least one video every

1534
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:54.960
day. I'm so exhausting from one
of their routines. Well, our friend

1535
01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:57.399
the Goots told us that, you
know, you basically need to be a

1536
01:48:57.439 --> 01:49:00.760
podcaster now, like you can't be
you can't you're just a comedian. You

1537
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:02.800
have to be a fucking you have
an ESPN studio in your house, shah

1538
01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:04.840
Man. I'm just like, I
watch him, I watch all the guys

1539
01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:12.399
that we that that joined us WrestleMania
Weekend, and I'm like, every fucking

1540
01:49:12.560 --> 01:49:15.960
day. I mean, fortunately for
me, it's entertaining but I mean the

1541
01:49:15.079 --> 01:49:21.680
effort to do that shit alongside the
fact that you've got also got to be

1542
01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:29.079
constantly preparing new material, constantly performing, and now you've also got to put

1543
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:30.760
up a fucking ten minute video.
It's a hamster wheel. The point is

1544
01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:33.600
it's a hamster wheel. You can't
take you can't take time off. No,

1545
01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:38.239
you have to keep servicing this like
beast in the sky that you never

1546
01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:41.319
see that. There's no way you
can't do. You know, the person

1547
01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:44.079
determining how much of a split you
get an advertising you'll never meet, you'll

1548
01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:47.359
never be able to talk to exactly. But they're just deciding in this like

1549
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:51.760
random direct deposit every month how much
you're worth. And the only sure thing

1550
01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:55.560
is if you stop feeding that beast, you will be poor. Yep.

1551
01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:59.119
And there's no equally way to guarantee
that the harder you work, the more

1552
01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:05.720
you'll make, not even cl It's
a suckers game. Interesting times, that's

1553
01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:12.239
right, interesting times. Um,
you know it's gonna get worse before it

1554
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.920
gets better. That's that's that's what
the smart money is. If you ask

1555
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.560
me, I mean this whole artifice
of like everyone will pay ten dollars a

1556
01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:25.800
month and we'll all be fine.
Nope, not true, not true at

1557
01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:29.399
all, because we've paid fucking three
hundred dollars a month before that. We're

1558
01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:31.840
cable, right, and we act
like that's going away now, and we

1559
01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:36.279
paid thirty dollars to go to the
movies and then you know, you know,

1560
01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:43.039
the two the big thing um and
and this, I tell you one

1561
01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:47.079
thing I really do hope that that
changes is I'm I'm really sick and tired

1562
01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:57.840
of of of companies like Netflix keeping
all their fucking numbers a deep dark secret.

1563
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:03.279
Yeah. Well I think yeah,
because because they you know, that's

1564
01:51:03.279 --> 01:51:08.640
a big that's a big part of
the argument is that you've got you have

1565
01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:14.680
some of the and you know,
I'm certainly a you know, I'm a

1566
01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:19.560
I argue for this because I was
blessed to have fucking five seconds on the

1567
01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:25.159
goddamn show. But like Orange of
the New Black, they like these these

1568
01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:33.479
these women on that show became fucking
stars and then created it, created the

1569
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:41.600
violent proposition, Netflix exact proof of
concept, created original content, Netflix correct

1570
01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:45.319
right, not like sign up to
see movies that right someone else produced.

1571
01:51:45.359 --> 01:51:47.439
But like I read this incredible article
in The New Yorker, this was given

1572
01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:55.199
to Me by by Thomas Nacio,
and it was it was just like it

1573
01:51:56.479 --> 01:52:01.159
was. It was so true because
they you know, you get these checks,

1574
01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:04.840
um, and I'm not even saying
that I should be in the same

1575
01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:08.880
league. I was on one episode
for again, like you know, I

1576
01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:15.000
was a day player, but like
my checks went from being, you know,

1577
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:19.039
a couple hundred bucks every quarter to
being now it's like maybe I'll get

1578
01:52:20.199 --> 01:52:28.760
I don't know, couple bucks couples
or whatever at this point, and they

1579
01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:32.600
were saying they know people in the
thing, and they were talking about how

1580
01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:35.600
they were they just never even made
a lot of money off of the work,

1581
01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:45.399
and they were they had friends and
colleagues who had done an episode one

1582
01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:51.600
episode, let alone a whole series
on Law and Order that they were still

1583
01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:57.159
getting like like, I don't forget
it was like six seven, eight hundred

1584
01:52:57.199 --> 01:53:00.640
dollars a year from twenty years prior. Yeah, that's called the adult way

1585
01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:03.800
to do it instead of the man
child way to do it, which is

1586
01:53:03.880 --> 01:53:10.000
the form of management in the in
tech that we've lionized in the past like

1587
01:53:10.279 --> 01:53:15.720
fifteen years. These dorks, these
fucking dorks, and they don't like understand

1588
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.159
that you get tuned up. If
you don't pay people a fair wage,

1589
01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:25.079
eventually they will'll storm the gates like
they think that they can just they can

1590
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:29.239
just like code their way around this, and it's like, guys, it's

1591
01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:32.239
over. It's over. It's time
to see if the Emperor has closed.

1592
01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.800
Right. That's because that's been such
a key I think to a lot of

1593
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:43.239
a lot of the tech mega success
stories is hiding the data. Is the

1594
01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:45.880
data being so proprietary, the data
being so closely guarded that you just have

1595
01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:49.239
to take our word for it that
we're delivering that the numbers we tell you

1596
01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:56.800
were delivering are they're beyond reproach.
They cannot be audited and they certainly cannot

1597
01:53:56.840 --> 01:54:00.319
be disclosed as a matter of course, like box office receipts are, or

1598
01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:02.319
like Nielsen Rating SAR for television,
where everyone can get around and say,

1599
01:54:02.399 --> 01:54:06.119
you know what, no matter what, there's a third party we both trust

1600
01:54:06.199 --> 01:54:13.039
to tell us how much impact this
this show actually had, how much impact

1601
01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.720
my episode actually had? There's you
know what I mean, there there's a

1602
01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:19.319
common no, no, those that's
our data. That's our whole secret sauce

1603
01:54:19.479 --> 01:54:25.760
or data private, that's private data. Fuck your data? Do you understand.

1604
01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:29.039
But the thing is if we uh, you know, there's a whole

1605
01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:33.960
you know that you know, we're
not We're not a in a in a

1606
01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:38.359
public forum of yes, oh,
because if we give that away, then

1607
01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:41.279
our competitors blah blah blah blah blah. If we give that away, then

1608
01:54:41.319 --> 01:54:44.800
all of this. But hell,
if we give that away, then people

1609
01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:47.920
know we're successful or not. Can't
have that? Yeah, well yeah,

1610
01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:53.840
you know what. Uh that's what
fucking TV stations do every fucking day.

1611
01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:58.319
Did you watch Succession all the way
through? Yes? At the stars guard

1612
01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:03.800
at the end, what is most
afraid of? The Indian numbers are fake?

1613
01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:06.439
Oh? Yeah, right, that's
right, That's right. That's all

1614
01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:14.079
I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. So, um, Hulk is explaining

1615
01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:15.720
to Brooke what what's going to happen
here? And the laser with the scope,

1616
01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:17.960
both sides of the back, clean
out the spurs, et cetera,

1617
01:55:18.119 --> 01:55:23.039
no metal, steel bars and all
of that, and so's it's so weird.

1618
01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:27.640
It's almost like, um, they
inserted this after to like explain in

1619
01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:30.560
detail in case there's never a lawsuit, what what this back surgery is going

1620
01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:34.319
to do? It gets very I
don't know again, you know a lot

1621
01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:43.119
of this stuff I'm I'm really realizing, is you know, even though even

1622
01:55:43.159 --> 01:55:45.760
though there's just certainly not nearly enough
of stuff, I can see why this

1623
01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:48.960
is. This has been a difficult
episode to find. Yeah, yeah,

1624
01:55:49.279 --> 01:55:55.000
I can definitely build a case that
this was scrub from the internet. I

1625
01:55:55.079 --> 01:55:58.600
mean, there's it's it's way too
weird. It'd be one thing if you

1626
01:55:58.600 --> 01:56:00.920
couldn't find anything from season two,
or would be one thing if you can

1627
01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:03.840
only find fifty to sixty percent of
season two. But this is the only

1628
01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:09.199
one that everyone who claims to have
all the stuff doesn't have, right,

1629
01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:14.319
It's it's very curious. So right, you can always have the metal putting

1630
01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:17.640
you back the steel rods screws.
Later, but they talk about Hull talks

1631
01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:19.640
about how that's never going to be
able to allow him to get back and

1632
01:56:20.119 --> 01:56:24.479
wrestle, Remember and wrestle, Work
and wrestle, he says, he says,

1633
01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:28.439
work and wrestle. I'm a work
and wrestle bringer has He's still got

1634
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:30.680
to do this you know thing of
I'm getting paid to work and wrestling,

1635
01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.600
but I'm not wrestling. And he
always seems to be making doing the verbal

1636
01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:38.479
gymnastics to separate the two. At
this stage of his life, you know,

1637
01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:41.279
all these great doctors have told me, try everything first, every option,

1638
01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:42.960
and if they get me out of
pain, I can go back to

1639
01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:46.800
work. He's already working. He's
signed to TNA. But you know if

1640
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:50.000
this two thousand and nine not yet
in fairness, not yet. He's got

1641
01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:53.680
the Australia opportunity coming up and that
would prove to be the big test.

1642
01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:56.720
He goes his Muscle's Brook Flair a
couple of times, dings himself up.

1643
01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.439
According to his deposition in this lawsuit, he actually gets hurt in the body

1644
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:01.840
of the match at Flair and what
he's doing Larry King and stuff to promote

1645
01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:05.159
coming to TNA. He's mentioning when
they asked me if he's going to actually

1646
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:09.119
wrestle in this new organization, that
he's going to be going to Australia soon

1647
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:13.840
to test out if that's possible.
So these conversations are probably happening before he

1648
01:57:13.920 --> 01:57:16.199
goes to Australia, tries to work
Rick and learns the hard way that he's

1649
01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:19.079
not going to be able to move
around the ring very well. Those matches

1650
01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.439
now available, by the way,
on YouTube. From fan camp perspective,

1651
01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:27.079
they were hold up forever in a
memory hole because the DVDs and the rights

1652
01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:30.640
to the DVDs were a big part
of a lawsuit that unfolded between the Australian

1653
01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:34.079
promoters and Hulk Coogan that kept the
Jesus Chris the DVD distribution rights locked up

1654
01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:39.760
in escrow somewhere. He has like
a fucking wall of shame and pain.

1655
01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:44.119
Just lawsuits, man, lawsuits,
Huan, the Hulkan Court. I mean,

1656
01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:47.399
that's the that's the show. So
um so Hulk says, you know

1657
01:57:47.399 --> 01:57:49.560
this laser surgery could be the fixed
I need. Why not go for that?

1658
01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:51.680
Brooks as I think he should.
Hogan's is the only problem is,

1659
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:54.840
like we just played, I might
not be able to go to your concert

1660
01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:57.600
and all that you've been a fifty
of them. This is like your big

1661
01:57:57.640 --> 01:58:01.920
comeback my Jammie blah blah blah,
and you heard the rest. Yeah,

1662
01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:06.119
she wants him to feel better,
and so we flash cut to the sign

1663
01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:11.640
of the wall. It reads Laser
Spine Institute, right, and did you

1664
01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:14.680
see what it said? Under that? What I'm saying, and here's what

1665
01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:18.680
the sign says, I shit,
you not laser Spine Institute, Therapeutic Center

1666
01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:27.960
and cafe. Because it's not all
about food. It's that cafe. What

1667
01:58:30.159 --> 01:58:38.359
spine cafe sounds delicious? Spinal fluid
with that latte. We always put in

1668
01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:47.239
We're the only cafe in the country
but specializes in the creation of spinal milk.

1669
01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:54.000
Trust this guy. Always trust a
guy that talks with his fucking spittle

1670
01:58:54.079 --> 01:59:00.840
like that. We press spinal milk
at all of our creations. In the

1671
01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:10.640
cafe. We have the spinal tap
lte. Um, we have we have

1672
01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:26.720
chicken spine sandwich, Chicken Spine Institute
sandwit. Yes, um, and I

1673
01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:30.239
repeat, by the way, Laser
Spine Institute, Therapeutic Center and cafe.

1674
01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:38.720
In case you're hungry. Everyone likes
to get a bite cheat after their spinal

1675
01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:49.520
fusion therapeutic experience. Um, we
also serve cake. It's one of those

1676
01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:59.239
guys that runs like a Nathan's inside
of a t station. Yes, he's

1677
01:59:59.319 --> 02:00:02.920
making like Papa uses on the Red
Line. I come, I come down

1678
02:00:03.039 --> 02:00:06.560
the Florida during the cold sheets,
cutting out of Florida for the winter.

1679
02:00:08.479 --> 02:00:14.000
I kept out of Florida. I
go, yeah, I cuts out of

1680
02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:18.680
Florida. Yeah, dying the cold
season after Thanksgiving from thanks Giving through March,

1681
02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:28.000
and I go to restaurants like the
Pina Colada or like the you know,

1682
02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:32.000
the the Bay Parrot or something has
got a condo. Yeah, yeah,

1683
02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:38.840
yeah, I know. Fuck off
my Like down there, the roads

1684
02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:42.479
are all like a grid, you
know. Yeah, you don't have to

1685
02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:45.520
deal with this these old cow paths
in Boston or fucking traffic I mean,

1686
02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:54.600
and they make those noises. At
least in Florida when you get in an

1687
02:00:54.600 --> 02:00:59.000
accident, you have a seventy percent
chance of dying. At Boston, you

1688
02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:02.039
gotta crash, you're barely move and
anyway, what the fuck, no one

1689
02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:06.520
ever dies. I left Stick three
thirty in the morning and they're coming back

1690
02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:13.840
from the casino fucking shit faced of
course again Fox, I don't know fucking

1691
02:01:14.159 --> 02:01:18.960
place to new one man ocross.
I think they call it Encore next to

1692
02:01:19.039 --> 02:01:24.600
the fucking Electrical Generation Plant. I'm
my Encore. I'm off cor all right's

1693
02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:30.880
right, fucker from mass It anyway, fuck it is, yes, yes,

1694
02:01:33.319 --> 02:01:38.960
like uh like Caribou Kurts, Like
they go to these restaurants that are

1695
02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:43.359
like these like cute, see kitchy, like beach themed places. But it's

1696
02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:47.199
just like margaritas and the same fucking
thing, you know, tacos, you

1697
02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:51.680
know, right, It's like it's
like frozen margaritas. Yeah, coconut shrimp

1698
02:01:51.800 --> 02:01:59.239
tacos, right, and and like
and like uh like some kind of pulled

1699
02:01:59.319 --> 02:02:05.960
pork taco with with pineapple in it, you know, and you're you're you're

1700
02:02:06.039 --> 02:02:10.359
outdoors, but you're in like a
cover with the ceiling fans, like they're

1701
02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:14.359
ceiling fans, but you're outdoors somehow, right, And everyone's encouraged to wear

1702
02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:19.000
like muscle teas and like slip flops. And I come down every Yeah,

1703
02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:27.079
everyone beautiful. I love Florida.
Ah yeah, I gotta, I gotta,

1704
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:30.880
I gotta. What is it like
the screened in thing around my pool?

1705
02:02:36.199 --> 02:02:40.399
Because otherwise, you know, the
nature is such that we will literally

1706
02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:45.359
be destroyed where we stand by bugs
and we got a screened in pool.

1707
02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:53.199
It's like a like a studio apartment
that has a screened in pool behind it.

1708
02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:58.439
It's a kiddie pool. There's a
screened in kiddie pool in this person.

1709
02:02:59.000 --> 02:03:01.439
But you know what, we put
it in ground, which it's really

1710
02:03:01.560 --> 02:03:04.600
nice. You can't tell a difference. It's like any other pool, you

1711
02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:10.000
know, it's wonderful, wonderful,
living a life down here. You down

1712
02:03:10.039 --> 02:03:12.359
here, you know, and it's
it's so beautiful. We spend ninety eight

1713
02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:15.159
percent of the time in the ac. It's great. I can't wait to

1714
02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:18.439
retire. All right, I'm gonna
come down here full times. It's good

1715
02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:23.560
for the bones. Hanget out of
Florida. I got a pain management in

1716
02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:27.039
Florida. My mom always want to
come down of Florida. She never does.

1717
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.239
Hold on, hold on. This
guy went to Florida before his mom.

1718
02:03:36.119 --> 02:03:43.319
Whoa, whoa, it's not past
tense. She never does. I

1719
02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:45.760
wand down in Florida. My MoMA
was want to go down to Florida.

1720
02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:49.039
She never does. What does that
mean? Like, whoa? I gotta

1721
02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:54.520
hold on. I gotta arrange a
lot of things just so to understand what

1722
02:03:54.600 --> 02:04:05.039
you just said. Hanget out of
what no no no, I got out

1723
02:04:05.079 --> 02:04:09.199
of Florida for the winter. But
he says it so many times, he's

1724
02:04:09.960 --> 02:04:19.199
what he leaves it at that,
I got a oh no one. Thread's

1725
02:04:19.239 --> 02:04:27.239
a problem because after he says it, after he says I out of Flora

1726
02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:32.960
for the way, he goes,
Ah, come on, what's the problem

1727
02:04:41.479 --> 02:04:46.960
is a problem? Come on?
I work at the thing had the latest

1728
02:04:47.000 --> 02:05:03.159
finac Yeah, I shut them,
just final lattaste stuff right stuff there,

1729
02:05:03.279 --> 02:05:06.840
you know, and then you know, sometimes I'll tell you what the beauty

1730
02:05:06.880 --> 02:05:14.479
of it is to say at the
at the laser spine stude. They're they're

1731
02:05:14.520 --> 02:05:17.760
always training new people to work the
lasers. Yeah, so they sometimes let

1732
02:05:17.880 --> 02:05:21.640
us cafe folk. Do you know, like late night laser surgery. It's

1733
02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:28.720
fantastic late night laser lattes. We
shall late night laiser lattaste. And then

1734
02:05:28.800 --> 02:05:30.199
we do the we do. We
say, let's sound of us, you

1735
02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:34.319
know, work the laser. It's
my moders didn't believe. My man isn't

1736
02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:39.279
believe in lasers. I should I
should have known as soon as I made

1737
02:05:39.319 --> 02:05:43.079
this notation for therapeutic center in cafe
that the guy who runs the cafe was

1738
02:05:43.159 --> 02:05:51.800
from Saugus to tell Mathiot to come
down for the water sometimes. She said,

1739
02:05:53.279 --> 02:05:54.760
you know, the all I gotta
tell you. The only thing I

1740
02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:57.920
miss is Kloon's. That's the only
thing I miss. H you know I

1741
02:05:58.840 --> 02:06:00.760
missed that. I miss Kelly's roast
beef. You know I love a good

1742
02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:04.640
roast beef sandwich. Hilltop Steakhouse.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, anything

1743
02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:18.920
route one. What do you miss
about home anything? Route one? I

1744
02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:29.479
got a relicate. Do you miss
one of seven hundred sports supply stores if

1745
02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:31.680
it's on Route one? I miss
it. I got out of and he

1746
02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:46.319
falls out of his chair like Chief
Brunch's make noises. I need to go.

1747
02:06:47.600 --> 02:06:58.439
Oh, Supine, I love love. Oh they're talking about how thing?

1748
02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:00.520
You know? Because now they must
be mass too, says if they're

1749
02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:03.159
talking about an on a floor of
Atlanta, right that that supresupposes their back

1750
02:07:03.199 --> 02:07:08.920
home. And they mentioned lasa's Spine
Institute in that context, like anybody knows

1751
02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:13.720
what that is? I think anyone
has a first clue. Ah. Yeah,

1752
02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:21.239
it's a great place. We should
open up up here on Route one.

1753
02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:25.720
There were there were lsis around the
country. Actually, it was kind

1754
02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:29.439
of a a phenomenon there for a
little while, which is part of the

1755
02:07:29.760 --> 02:07:31.600
Hogan case was that they, you
know, would do anything it took to

1756
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:38.560
expand and attract high, high profile
clients. All right, So all of

1757
02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:45.159
that is to say on the wall
it said lass do therapy. So they

1758
02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:46.960
show X rays, they show all
kinds of activity in this place, and

1759
02:07:47.039 --> 02:07:55.279
then there's Hogan with a hairnet and
Johnny. They shoot them up. Here

1760
02:07:55.359 --> 02:08:00.920
we go, Here we go.
Uh no, that's one here. Oh

1761
02:08:01.039 --> 02:08:07.239
yeah, that's a ticket. Doc. I can't believe you're here on a

1762
02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:09.800
Saturday. Brother. You can be
out of your jet, ski and everything.

1763
02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:16.239
Man, So you think I'll help
me working stand up straight again and

1764
02:08:16.399 --> 02:08:20.439
get my balance back and rything?
He gets you better. He had these

1765
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:24.119
bones spurs sticking out right here.
You fix that. You're not gonna be

1766
02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:28.039
like you were when you were twenty. But the idea is to get you

1767
02:08:28.720 --> 02:08:31.960
better so you can have a better
quality of life. All right, Doc,

1768
02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:45.760
that's awesome. Let's get back.
That was doctor James Saint Louis right

1769
02:08:45.760 --> 02:08:50.199
there. That was mister Saint Louis
sitting on bedside with the Holster before laser

1770
02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:54.600
spine treatment and a decompression procedure,
talking about the pluses and the minuses.

1771
02:08:56.199 --> 02:08:58.439
You notice Hogan calls calls him out
for coming in on a Saturday. He

1772
02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:05.119
does. Guess why they shot on
a Saturday, Why so that there wouldn't

1773
02:09:05.119 --> 02:09:07.960
be actual normal people in there when
they had to get all their fucking cameras

1774
02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:09.199
and there and created a big Hollywood
scene out of it. There you go.

1775
02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:13.840
He credits the doctor for coming in
on a Saturday. Well, help,

1776
02:09:13.880 --> 02:09:16.560
the only reason this is happening on
the Saturday is because your people insistent

1777
02:09:16.600 --> 02:09:20.319
on it. Fucking idiot. That's
a classic Hulk, right, he's gonna

1778
02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:22.520
he's gonna rib you about a circumstance
that, like you have to pretend is

1779
02:09:22.720 --> 02:09:26.119
organic, but that he actually why
are you hearing a Saturday? Yeah?

1780
02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:30.840
Hanging and banging? Brother? Didn't
that? Jet Ski? Dude? You

1781
02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:35.760
know? Fuck live? Brother asked
in deposition, Doctor Saint Louis said,

1782
02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:39.159
this question, does it refresh your
recollection? If I were to tell you

1783
02:09:39.239 --> 02:09:41.439
that there was some discussion between Terry
and maybe yourself and the LSI folks about

1784
02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:45.439
having this surgery done on a Saturday, yep, to avoid yep, a

1785
02:09:45.560 --> 02:09:50.159
circus absolutely, yep, absolutely,
and to accommodate the cameras for the reality

1786
02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.199
show. I'm sure that played in
it because they wouldn't have been busy that

1787
02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:54.960
day, right, But I know
they did it just so not as many

1788
02:09:56.000 --> 02:09:58.399
people being around, So that's yeah, And that was fine with Terry,

1789
02:09:58.439 --> 02:09:58.920
right, Oh yeah, yeah,
I don't see. I don't think the

1790
02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:07.920
there was any issue with that that
I know of. Older I didn't do.

1791
02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:33.079
Why are we did broller. Are
you that's Savvia right there? Got

1792
02:10:33.199 --> 02:10:46.960
it? You got it? So
this is Todd Farmer. Okay, what

1793
02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:48.479
are you friend to there? He
says, well, you know, for

1794
02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:52.039
TV stuff and stuff he does for
video. I mean that last quarter read

1795
02:10:52.039 --> 02:10:54.199
by the way, it's not doctor
Saint Louis. Apologies, that was Todd

1796
02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:56.399
Farmer as well in deposition. And
then the lawyer asks, okay, what

1797
02:10:56.520 --> 02:11:01.079
were you Well, here's you know, whenever we do TV, you know,

1798
02:11:01.319 --> 02:11:03.680
we fuck dude, I wasn't trying
to go there again. Here we

1799
02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:11.279
go. Tell me about how the
TV business works, Todd, tell me

1800
02:11:11.319 --> 02:11:16.479
about what people don't really realize is
here's what people don't appreciate here here you

1801
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:18.239
know, here's the thing you know, whenever we do TV, you know,

1802
02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:24.119
Terry's always, you know, very
insistent that we moves on. You

1803
02:11:24.199 --> 02:11:28.279
know people don't realize is that when
you're shooting in a real location, you

1804
02:11:28.359 --> 02:11:31.479
get people doing doing their jobs.
It's not only is it hard to do

1805
02:11:31.600 --> 02:11:35.760
their is it difficult to do their
jobs? Are we are we in in

1806
02:11:35.880 --> 02:11:41.199
position? But also we have to
get uh you know, releases of all

1807
02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:45.479
the people that are on camera.
So it makes it easier, you know,

1808
02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:50.319
to do it on an off day. Yeah, the smarts that comes

1809
02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:54.000
in, that's that's that's that's how, that's how TV works. I don't

1810
02:11:54.039 --> 02:11:56.520
know if you knew that. I
don't know. I'm not sure how how

1811
02:11:56.520 --> 02:12:03.720
uh you know how uh fluent you
are in the language of television. But

1812
02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:07.640
you know that's that's how it is
free education for you. There. I

1813
02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:11.359
was on the house when this one
won't be though, hot buddy, right,

1814
02:12:13.720 --> 02:12:16.960
you get a sign up from my
uh my crash course. Oh god,

1815
02:12:16.800 --> 02:12:18.479
hey, listen, do you have
any more of this? Uh?

1816
02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:24.720
What is this? High noon?
It's pretty good. I'm kind of anyone

1817
02:12:24.840 --> 02:12:28.000
got any you know, I don't
know for a lot to have, you

1818
02:12:28.119 --> 02:12:33.399
know, alcohol in in the courtroom, but I could really go first something,

1819
02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:39.319
you know? Anyway, are there
any micro brewis available? Anyone got

1820
02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:41.199
something like in their office? Sir? My name is Will Floren. I'm

1821
02:12:41.199 --> 02:12:45.720
representing whole COVID in this case and
I appreciate your time here today for the

1822
02:12:46.039 --> 02:12:48.600
position. Before we get started,
Um, could you please state your name

1823
02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:54.560
for the record? Uh? Sure, Todd Farmer And UM, would you

1824
02:12:54.600 --> 02:13:01.399
like a beer? That would be
great? I brought to you by PAPST.

1825
02:13:03.399 --> 02:13:07.680
This fucking lapsed summer. Okay,
what were you referring to there,

1826
02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:09.800
He's asked. Todd says, well, you know, for TV stuff and

1827
02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:11.880
stuff he does for video. I
mean, you never know what the whole

1828
02:13:11.920 --> 02:13:16.119
purpose of the thing was. Because
with wrestling, since we're talking about Terry

1829
02:13:16.159 --> 02:13:18.279
at that, sometimes they have with
lack of a better word, of soap

1830
02:13:18.319 --> 02:13:20.159
opera going on. So if he's
trying to work an angle for the camera

1831
02:13:20.239 --> 02:13:22.920
going down the road to some other
purpose, I don't know what he's doing

1832
02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:26.479
for a video. So that's the
reason I didn't. It depends on what

1833
02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:30.680
the objective was. Got that by
that? You mean the reality isn't reality?

1834
02:13:30.840 --> 02:13:33.680
Oh? Of course? Right?
He says, Well, I mean,

1835
02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:37.800
I mean that's that's the that's the
internal question in my wrong, in

1836
02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:41.720
my right thing, you know,
I mean, what is reality? You

1837
02:13:41.800 --> 02:13:43.640
know? Do we live in reality
or those how to pick him? Doesn't

1838
02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:50.520
he do we live in a giant
fantasy? Yeah? Hey, all I'm

1839
02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:52.760
saying is I don't have the answers. I'll tell you what, you know

1840
02:13:52.880 --> 02:13:54.840
what here when it comes down to
it, you know, I have to

1841
02:13:54.960 --> 02:14:00.319
say, you know, I just
live a different lifestyle because I'm around around

1842
02:14:00.479 --> 02:14:05.760
Terry all the time. Yeah,
we all, we all, we all

1843
02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:09.760
should be so lucky to have Terry
in our life. It's a lot of

1844
02:14:09.800 --> 02:14:11.520
acting. Well yeah, I mean
they probably we had to reshoot stuff.

1845
02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:16.600
I mean, you know when you
do you said we at least yes you

1846
02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:18.920
do alright, I mean you know
when you do those, just like any

1847
02:14:18.960 --> 02:14:22.640
other shooting. But when you do
them, they take pictures of everything you

1848
02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:24.119
have on. So if we had
to come back and do another shoot,

1849
02:14:24.319 --> 02:14:26.760
you've got the same watch or the
same ring, or the same jeans or

1850
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:33.720
whatever. On objection, Dude,
who's shooting? He keeps saying, shoot,

1851
02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:37.520
what's going on? Wing in the
same jeans? Dude? What dude,

1852
02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:43.640
I'm nervous, Hold on, hold
on what I mean, I'm nervous.

1853
02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:52.640
What writ in the middle of the
court rouble. Yeah, I want

1854
02:14:52.640 --> 02:15:01.520
to make sure every dude who's shooting
on this fucking port. Bro, your

1855
02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:07.920
honor is something's a fucking miss right
here, dude. I'm just putting out

1856
02:15:07.000 --> 02:15:15.560
there, brother, your honor something
is a fucking miss here. Dude,

1857
02:15:15.760 --> 02:15:18.680
I'm just putting it out there.
Brother. The judges like looking at him

1858
02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:24.479
like stone face and just like comatose. I'm coming at this thing wide open.

1859
02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:28.800
Dude, I'm sitting here, I'm
wide open like a fucking box man,

1860
02:15:28.239 --> 02:15:33.159
and I'm just wondering what's going on. Yeah, Terry, You're always

1861
02:15:33.199 --> 02:15:39.239
just wondering. That's the problem.
I'm just wondering. And they prompt us.

1862
02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:43.760
So I guess Todd Farmer's point is
that you know it's such a production

1863
02:15:43.880 --> 02:15:46.399
that you might have to come back
and remember what you wore to pick up

1864
02:15:46.439 --> 02:15:50.960
a scene where you left off,
and you know hours or days have passed,

1865
02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:52.800
and they prompt us, well,
let's just spice this up, so

1866
02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:56.760
let's do this. So yeah,
for the reality show, it's not reality.

1867
02:15:56.800 --> 02:15:58.520
I mean to a degree it can
be. I mean it's real people,

1868
02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:03.359
but you has it up. And
on cross examination he's asked, but

1869
02:16:03.479 --> 02:16:05.239
you're not you're not telling this Jerry. For example, that when the video

1870
02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:09.439
shows you and Hulk in your in
his truck and the phone rings, and

1871
02:16:09.520 --> 02:16:11.000
Hulk says, hey, doctor Saint
Louis, you're not telling me that that

1872
02:16:11.119 --> 02:16:15.159
phone call didn't take place, are
you. No? No, I'm not

1873
02:16:15.279 --> 02:16:16.960
telling you that. No. And
when Hulk sat down with his daughter,

1874
02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:20.680
who I assume he tells the truth
too, and says honey, I've got

1875
02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:22.039
to pay your mom forty thousand dollars
a month, and I've got to pay

1876
02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:26.359
for my mother's nursing home fees,
and I need some money. It's hold

1877
02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:28.680
on, let me finish my question. Sure, I mean, you're not

1878
02:16:28.880 --> 02:16:33.280
telling telling us and he says,
these are part of the reasons I don't

1879
02:16:33.319 --> 02:16:35.000
want a fusion. I mean,
you're not saying that Hulk's making that up,

1880
02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:39.879
are you. I'm not saying he
is or he's not. I mean,

1881
02:16:39.639 --> 02:16:43.079
if they were doing it for the
TV show, then he may have

1882
02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:45.920
had in a situation like that.
He may have had they may have had

1883
02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:48.639
been hamming it up for the TV
I don't know what. I wasn't there

1884
02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:50.840
for that, so but for the
show, they could have been hamming it

1885
02:16:50.959 --> 02:16:56.639
up. I mean, he's just
you know, that's that's Terry. Yeah,

1886
02:17:05.360 --> 02:17:07.920
I don't know what you're asking me. I mean, I can't expect

1887
02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:13.000
you to understand, but just take
it from me. It's Terry. Terry

1888
02:17:13.120 --> 02:17:16.159
is gonna be Terry. You know, just take it from me that you

1889
02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:22.959
know with again, yea, for
the uninitiated, it's hard to unrite,

1890
02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:26.000
right, that's what we have to
you know, there aren't so many of

1891
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:33.440
us who've who've traveled the road with
with Terry, you know, And and

1892
02:17:33.799 --> 02:17:37.399
Terry's gonna Terry, and Terry doesn't
let everybody in, you know. It's

1893
02:17:37.440 --> 02:17:41.399
a process to win his trust,
you know. And and they're only there

1894
02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:43.639
are only a number of us.
I consider myself, you know, lucky,

1895
02:17:43.840 --> 02:17:50.799
along with Brook and Eric and Eric
you know who know Terry for Terry,

1896
02:17:52.280 --> 02:18:01.879
Terrytown, Terrytown, New York.
Unreal. So that's what fucking Todd

1897
02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:07.959
Farmer has to say about all this
um and just the very notion of reality.

1898
02:18:09.680 --> 02:18:13.200
By the way, these lawyers keep
saying forty thousand a month, I

1899
02:18:13.399 --> 02:18:15.840
listen to that clip. Pulk doesn't
say a month. He just has forty

1900
02:18:15.879 --> 02:18:20.879
thousand dollars to your mother and Charlie
Charlie Hiller boyfriend. So they're adding the

1901
02:18:20.000 --> 02:18:26.719
a month. They're adding the fucking
clown, that fucking bass clown is getting

1902
02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:31.159
it money from Hulk Hogan. Oh
my god, my god. That that's

1903
02:18:31.440 --> 02:18:35.840
probably half the reason she's with him
is so that she can give him the

1904
02:18:35.879 --> 02:18:39.120
money and say, look at this, Terry, you motherfucker's right right into

1905
02:18:39.200 --> 02:18:41.799
his pocket. I'm gonna I'm gonna
stuff it in his crotch like he's a

1906
02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:45.280
Chippendale dancer. Tell you what I'm
gonna I'm gonna stuff it down there,

1907
02:18:45.600 --> 02:18:48.719
and then I'm gonna fucking give him
a hand job when he's gonna come all

1908
02:18:48.799 --> 02:18:52.159
over the cash that's now pissed off. She wakes up every day now is

1909
02:18:52.239 --> 02:18:56.920
no one gives a fuck anymore?
Nope, no one cares about Linda Hogan.

1910
02:18:58.399 --> 02:19:03.799
She thought she was like money.
Yep. She didn't realize like so

1911
02:19:03.959 --> 02:19:07.799
many of us do now that that
when you work with Hulk Hogan, you

1912
02:19:07.959 --> 02:19:11.600
don't end up better in the end. It wasn't up on the top.

1913
02:19:11.399 --> 02:19:16.200
Nope. Ask So back to doctor
Saint Louis, who we heard from in

1914
02:19:16.239 --> 02:19:20.120
that clip A fast earthquake, Ask
any of these guys, Yeah, Iron

1915
02:19:20.239 --> 02:19:26.280
Chic Superstar Graham, anyone who's crossed
him, Piper Savage, they'll end up

1916
02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:31.000
dead before he does. Warrior Brother. It's like he told Nick in that

1917
02:19:31.079 --> 02:19:35.680
private jailhouse recorded phone call, like
I don't know what was up with that

1918
02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:39.920
guy, but he had some weird
karma going on with God. You better

1919
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:43.159
believe. That's what he says every
single time one of his detractors meets in

1920
02:19:43.239 --> 02:19:46.479
early demise and gets he hits an
early grave, and Hulk blesses himself and

1921
02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:50.559
says something like that under his breath. Back to doctor Saint Louis, who

1922
02:19:50.559 --> 02:19:54.280
we heard in that clip, he
just played bedside with Hogan talking about with

1923
02:19:54.360 --> 02:19:56.920
this, you know, coming in
on a Saturday, coming in on a

1924
02:19:56.000 --> 02:20:01.639
Saturday. How were your first placed
in intact with mister Balaia, Doctor Saint

1925
02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:05.520
Louis has asked in a deposition formally
in the Laser Spine Institute. He came

1926
02:20:05.559 --> 02:20:09.360
in one day for a patient evaluation. Had you known mister bala before that?

1927
02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:15.959
We lived on the same street,
brother, So yeah, nationwide search

1928
02:20:16.120 --> 02:20:20.159
for the best. Yeah right,
so much for the Tan guy. We

1929
02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:22.799
lived in the same street, and
I believe there was some interaction, correct,

1930
02:20:22.879 --> 02:20:24.639
what type of interaction. There was
a period of time when we went

1931
02:20:24.680 --> 02:20:28.239
to Key West with one of our
mutual friends, and I just can't remember

1932
02:20:28.280 --> 02:20:30.680
if it was what time frame that
was. I believe it was somewhere in

1933
02:20:30.799 --> 02:20:33.120
late or early oh nine or oh
eight. I just don't recall all the

1934
02:20:33.159 --> 02:20:37.200
time. Okay, So you were
what's that Terry? Okay, So you

1935
02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:39.920
were traveling with him or meeting down
in Key West with him. We had

1936
02:20:39.959 --> 02:20:43.200
a mutual friend, Steve Chapman.
I stayed at his house and he was

1937
02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:46.479
there. Who's Steve Chapman. Steve
Chapman is also a neighbor of IRUs who

1938
02:20:46.479 --> 02:20:50.920
lives in Willowdale. Give you a
chance to drink your coffee there. Sorry.

1939
02:20:50.360 --> 02:20:54.120
How long have you known mister Chapman? I believe since about oh eight?

1940
02:20:54.319 --> 02:20:56.200
And do you know what mister Chapman's
occupation or businesses? Yes, he

1941
02:20:56.319 --> 02:21:00.479
runs the magazine in the DuPont Registry. Do you know how long mister Bala

1942
02:21:00.639 --> 02:21:03.440
had known Steve Chapman. Well,
probably since the entire time he lived in

1943
02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:05.000
that neighborhood, because we all lived
in the same little neighborhood. That would

1944
02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:09.239
be an estimate. All right,
So Steve Chapman is basically a mutual friend

1945
02:21:09.280 --> 02:21:13.280
that kind of connected you with Terry
Bula. Correct, So this guy's a

1946
02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:20.040
neighbor. Yeah, I mean,
fuck guys, come on and the DuPont

1947
02:21:20.120 --> 02:21:22.879
Registry. I don't know what this
is. I think it's like a trade

1948
02:21:22.879 --> 02:21:26.360
publication for people in certain fields of
medicine. It's like a small publication,

1949
02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:30.559
small in terms of like it's at
a very it's targeted at a very narrow

1950
02:21:30.719 --> 02:21:33.920
readership. When you know this because
one of the other folks that offered depositions

1951
02:21:33.959 --> 02:21:35.719
in the Laser Spine lawsuit was that
one of the directors of marketing at the

1952
02:21:35.760 --> 02:21:41.159
institute who took the picture that they
took of Hulk sort of endorsing the thing.

1953
02:21:41.239 --> 02:21:43.360
Remember how that became a point of
controversy. Yeah, as lawyer issued

1954
02:21:43.360 --> 02:21:48.440
a letter David Houston saying, you
need to cease and assist like publicizing materials

1955
02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:52.680
that indicate that Hulk Hogan is really
happy with his treatment at Laser Spine.

1956
02:21:52.680 --> 02:21:56.319
They took his picture or he signed
a document that gave them permission to use

1957
02:21:56.360 --> 02:22:00.639
it in publicity, and he even
wrote a little hand written you better believe

1958
02:22:00.639 --> 02:22:05.159
it says thanks for getting me back
on track with the back underlined. Okay,

1959
02:22:05.280 --> 02:22:09.879
those documents were submitted as exhibits in
the lawsuit as well, and he

1960
02:22:09.000 --> 02:22:13.840
quickly recanted that endorsement. But that's
the whole point, that that's Laser Spines

1961
02:22:13.840 --> 02:22:16.120
whole thing. Like, guys,
there's plenty of evidence that he was more

1962
02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:20.600
than happy with the outcome until it
became expedient for him to blame us for

1963
02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:28.159
every lost dollar he ever realized in
the past decade. So knowing all that

1964
02:22:28.959 --> 02:22:33.079
guests, which was one of the
key places they paid for advertising promoting a

1965
02:22:33.159 --> 02:22:39.399
laser spine institute. After all this, the DuPont Registry, the big circle,

1966
02:22:39.479 --> 02:22:45.079
jerk friends, it always is,
always is. According to the records

1967
02:22:45.079 --> 02:22:48.399
I've reviewed. The attorney later it
tells doctor Saint Louis, it looks like

1968
02:22:48.479 --> 02:22:50.799
the surgery was scheduled for Saturday,
February twenty eight, two thousand and nine.

1969
02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:54.840
So if you want to place what
we just heard that was the final

1970
02:22:54.959 --> 02:22:56.600
day of February in two thousand and
nine. There you go, Wow,

1971
02:22:56.920 --> 02:23:01.280
is that confirmed with your recollection?
Conform if that's what it's in the records

1972
02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:03.360
correct. Do you recall why the
surgery was scheduled for Saturday? I do

1973
02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:07.120
because he wanted to Terry wanted he
was on part of a TV show and

1974
02:23:07.200 --> 02:23:11.479
there was all these TV cameras and
we felt it would be too disruptive to

1975
02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:15.399
our other patients and too complicated with
all these TV cameras around, right,

1976
02:23:15.479 --> 02:23:18.360
and you were concerned about hippo laws
and stuff with patients, other patients around

1977
02:23:18.399 --> 02:23:20.840
and things. Yes, if it
was the day when we had the cameras

1978
02:23:20.879 --> 02:23:28.200
correct. Chief of Surgery, Doctor
James Saint Louis looks normal Trump koif white,

1979
02:23:28.319 --> 02:23:33.879
blonde hair fine, sitting with the
Hulkster. So hulks like, so

1980
02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:37.479
you think it'll like we just heard
help me where I can stand up straight

1981
02:23:37.479 --> 02:23:39.520
again and get my balance back and
everything. And He's kind of like,

1982
02:23:39.760 --> 02:23:43.399
no, never said that, no
reason to expect that. But I'm sure

1983
02:23:43.440 --> 02:23:46.920
they'll edit me saying in that anyway, and they do. What does he

1984
02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:50.639
say? Play that again? What
did they What did they excerpt? Doctor

1985
02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:56.680
Saint Louis saying about the hopes,
the reasonable hopes for this surgery. An

1986
02:23:56.840 --> 02:24:01.719
let me get er and listen for
if it sounds inserted in post or if

1987
02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:11.440
it sounds edited. Oh yeah,
that's the ticket. Doc. I can't

1988
02:24:11.440 --> 02:24:13.959
believe you're here on a Saturday.
Brother. You can be out your jet

1989
02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:18.120
ski and everything. Man, So
you think it'll help me work and stand

1990
02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:22.760
up straight again and get my balance
back and or anything gets you better?

1991
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:28.760
Everyday stopped gets you better, gets
you better. That's not what he said

1992
02:24:28.760 --> 02:24:31.159
in response to that question. That's
such a non sequitur of the way that

1993
02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:37.799
conversation was flowing. Come on,
get you better, that's what you say

1994
02:24:37.879 --> 02:24:41.959
when you can't say this is going
to fix you, which is basically what

1995
02:24:43.360 --> 02:24:46.040
is being argued here is that Hulk
was told he was going to fix him.

1996
02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:48.920
That's what all of the people in
his but no, No, the

1997
02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:52.200
closest they can get is this sort
of out of what sounds to my ear

1998
02:24:52.319 --> 02:24:56.920
like an out of context repurposing of
a sound bite where Saint Louis says get

1999
02:24:56.959 --> 02:25:03.399
you better, and and talking to
the the VP of Patient Experience later in

2000
02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:07.120
cross examination, they ask him,
I want to be clear. I want

2001
02:25:07.120 --> 02:25:09.399
to clear up one thing kind of
just from my own understanding, when you

2002
02:25:09.440 --> 02:25:11.040
were present for those meetings, I
guess the first meeting in February, were

2003
02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:16.319
you ever noticed you never overheard doctor
Saint Louis or doctor Gruber tell mister Balaia

2004
02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:20.120
that we were going to or we
are going to fix your back. Did

2005
02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:22.440
you ever hear that? No,
sir, I've never heard any of my

2006
02:25:22.520 --> 02:25:26.000
surgeons ever tell that. I think
you were saying you've never I've never heard

2007
02:25:26.040 --> 02:25:28.600
any of our surgeons talk to a
patient saying that we were going to fix

2008
02:25:30.040 --> 02:25:33.799
their back. Big difference, Boss, between fix and get you better.

2009
02:25:33.879 --> 02:25:41.239
Don't you think here that way?
Oh brother, as you said you'd fix

2010
02:25:41.399 --> 02:25:48.159
no, no what. So Saint
Louis is showing him X rays. You

2011
02:25:48.200 --> 02:25:50.559
have these phones birds sticking out right
here? Can you fix that? He

2012
02:25:50.600 --> 02:25:52.479
says, You're not going to be
like you were when you're twenty. Like

2013
02:25:52.600 --> 02:25:54.000
we just heard about the ideas to
get you better so you can have a

2014
02:25:54.040 --> 02:25:58.159
better quality of life. We'll get
you better. So all right, they

2015
02:25:58.360 --> 02:26:01.639
reached understand, Doctor Sat Loui says, let's get back there and start the

2016
02:26:01.760 --> 02:26:09.239
process. Let's start the procedure.
And here's an excerpt from Jennifer Bolea her

2017
02:26:09.719 --> 02:26:13.600
deposition about this time. They ask
her who's in the room, you know,

2018
02:26:13.639 --> 02:26:16.719
when these consultations are happening between the
Holkster and Laser Spine Institute. She

2019
02:26:16.719 --> 02:26:18.280
says, there were a couple of
other people. I don't remember who.

2020
02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:20.159
They seemed like doctors, but I
don't know who they were. Okay,

2021
02:26:20.399 --> 02:26:22.559
So we had the people in the
suits, doctor Saint Louis and a couple

2022
02:26:22.559 --> 02:26:24.879
of other nurses or whoever they may
have been, and he just said that

2023
02:26:24.959 --> 02:26:31.120
he doesn't need a fusion. Jennifer
Ballet's testimonies that Hulkogan was told directly he

2024
02:26:31.159 --> 02:26:33.559
doesn't need a fusion. Alright,
one of the other people made the statement

2025
02:26:33.639 --> 02:26:37.440
that they have more people come into
Laser Spine requesting to get their fusion removed.

2026
02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:41.079
That concerned us, and then we
started to have some fear. So

2027
02:26:41.159 --> 02:26:43.520
once we felt fearful about the fusion, we began to second guess that surgery

2028
02:26:43.559 --> 02:26:48.000
that was scheduled for the next day. When a surgeon looks you in the

2029
02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:50.520
eye and tells you you don't need
a fusion, we can fix you with

2030
02:26:50.559 --> 02:26:54.479
a little minute incision, you tend
to believe them. Huh. We were

2031
02:26:54.600 --> 02:26:56.920
rather confused, but we thought maybe
we should do this. Okay, was

2032
02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:00.840
there any discussion because obviously at this
point you have somebody saying you need a

2033
02:27:00.920 --> 02:27:05.280
fusion and another doctor saying you don't
need a fusion. Very confusing. I

2034
02:27:05.319 --> 02:27:07.920
mean, for quite some time,
statements were made by various people at Laser

2035
02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:09.239
Spine. The surgery will help,
Okay, no, no, now,

2036
02:27:09.280 --> 02:27:13.159
the surgery will help, Okay,
Well we're on surgery number four. Okay,

2037
02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:16.000
well you need just one more.
So in a way, we were

2038
02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:18.159
just kept holding out and just holding
out to that hope because this fusion was

2039
02:27:18.239 --> 02:27:20.719
kind of made out to be this
big, terrible thing that you could end

2040
02:27:20.760 --> 02:27:24.280
up paralyzed, or you know,
it's awful recovery time or whatever, you

2041
02:27:24.360 --> 02:27:26.719
know bad, you know, trying
to elicit fear in us over this that

2042
02:27:26.799 --> 02:27:30.040
we trusted and believed in those particular
people, that whole group, that this

2043
02:27:30.399 --> 02:27:33.200
was the route we need to go. But what you just said actually helped

2044
02:27:33.239 --> 02:27:37.879
trigger something. She says later.
I do remember doctor Saint Louis at one

2045
02:27:37.920 --> 02:27:39.760
point, and I believe it might
have been the second or third surgery,

2046
02:27:39.840 --> 02:27:43.239
saying there's nothing more I can do
for you here, and so we think,

2047
02:27:43.319 --> 02:27:46.440
now what. Then magically, out
of the woodwork, another doctor out

2048
02:27:46.479 --> 02:27:48.840
of LSI approaches us. I think
it might have been doctor Scott, but

2049
02:27:48.879 --> 02:27:52.920
I don't remember exactly. And then
we had two or three more so after

2050
02:27:52.959 --> 02:27:54.799
being told by doctor Saint Louis,
I can't help you anymore, there's nothing

2051
02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:58.000
more I can do for you than
we keep going over at laser spine.

2052
02:27:58.079 --> 02:28:03.360
Big fucking thumbs up, big fucking
thumbs up. All that'll take is one

2053
02:28:03.440 --> 02:28:05.799
more baby, that's right, that's
right. What Hulk is holding out hope

2054
02:28:05.840 --> 02:28:09.959
he doesn't have know to go this
big invasive surgery, and of course he

2055
02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:15.760
does. So that's the crux of
his argument as if if he was given

2056
02:28:15.840 --> 02:28:18.920
proper advice from Elisa in the beginning, he could have actually been mending off

2057
02:28:18.920 --> 02:28:22.360
the more invasive surgery. All those
months he wasted putting himself into further torture

2058
02:28:22.399 --> 02:28:26.479
by pretending he could burn these spurs
off and be fine, or at least

2059
02:28:26.479 --> 02:28:31.239
fine enough. That's problem. So
yeah, that's um, that's pretty different

2060
02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:35.479
perspectives that when we hear from doctor
Saint Louis and what Jennifer bala testifies that

2061
02:28:37.399 --> 02:28:41.639
that they were told relative to what
they should be fearful. Basically, she

2062
02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:45.440
makes it sound like they're trying to
scare Hulk kind of having a fusion as

2063
02:28:45.440 --> 02:28:48.360
opposed to like, this is an
alternative method that might actually achieve most of

2064
02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:52.639
the effects you want without having to
undergo that. So it's a question of

2065
02:28:52.680 --> 02:28:56.040
what did they Did they scare Hulk
into not want to have a fusion,

2066
02:28:56.120 --> 02:28:58.920
or did they think that they proposed
this as an alternative The head of patient

2067
02:29:00.000 --> 02:29:03.840
relations guy we've quoted, did you
do you recall over hearing anything about that.

2068
02:29:03.879 --> 02:29:05.840
Mister Balaa said around that May two
thousand and ninth surgery about his condition

2069
02:29:05.959 --> 02:29:09.719
leading up to the surgery. No. Do you recall either doctor Scott or

2070
02:29:09.760 --> 02:29:11.719
Doctor Saint Louis saying anything about his
condition, mister Blair's condition leading up to

2071
02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:15.479
that surgery. No. And did
mister Bela tell you how he was doing

2072
02:29:15.559 --> 02:29:18.760
leading up to that surgery? Mister
bala always said he was doing well.

2073
02:29:18.200 --> 02:29:22.559
Yes, okay. Did he always
appear to be doing well? He never

2074
02:29:22.760 --> 02:29:28.600
appeared to be doing well. Okay. I think he walked in pain.

2075
02:29:30.239 --> 02:29:35.840
I think he lives in pain pretty
much. That's a testimony. That's hal

2076
02:29:35.920 --> 02:29:41.280
Cogan Roller. Okay, at the
time that you saw him. Would you

2077
02:29:41.360 --> 02:29:43.879
have been through your association with Laser
Spine Institute before and a half of the

2078
02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:46.040
surgeries, Yes, sir, And
he always appeared to be in pain to

2079
02:29:46.120 --> 02:29:54.360
you. Yes. Doctor Saint Louis's
son was also involved with the Laser Spine

2080
02:29:54.360 --> 02:29:56.040
Institute, not a doctor, but
involved in kind of the administration of the

2081
02:29:56.079 --> 02:30:01.600
practice. And he also offered some
testimony on deposit. One of the things

2082
02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:05.399
that's recalled. They ask anything else
on the fourth floor about what could be

2083
02:30:05.440 --> 02:30:07.879
done for mister Balaia clinically, as
they're talking about meetings that happened in the

2084
02:30:07.920 --> 02:30:09.760
fourth floor of Laser spine, which
I understand is right next to the cafe.

2085
02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:15.000
Sure. The conversation specifically I do
recall with him is I don't know

2086
02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:16.399
how much relief we can give you, but just as with anyone, we're

2087
02:30:16.440 --> 02:30:18.760
willing to give it a shot,
and that we don't believe you'll be any

2088
02:30:18.840 --> 02:30:22.680
worse. Afterwards, did they talk
about timetables, you know, if there's

2089
02:30:22.719 --> 02:30:26.200
relief when they could expect relief.
No, they didn't talk specifically about it,

2090
02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:28.639
he said within You know, I
recalled Terry saying that I just want

2091
02:30:28.719 --> 02:30:33.520
one more year in the ring,
and doctor Gruber said, I don't think

2092
02:30:33.600 --> 02:30:37.000
we can give you another year in
the ring. Wow. So they either

2093
02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:39.479
overpromised or underpromise, depends who you
believe. Back to Jennifer, has he

2094
02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:43.559
wrestled since the surgery that doctor Uribe
did this is the fusion? Oh gosh.

2095
02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:46.879
I mean he hasn't done anything that
I can that I would say is

2096
02:30:46.920 --> 02:30:50.200
detrimental, because you know, there's
the sting matchup pound for glory. Yes,

2097
02:30:50.280 --> 02:30:54.600
to pretend she doesn't remember. He
hasn't been extremely physical. I mean,

2098
02:30:54.680 --> 02:30:56.680
I don't know if he wants to. If he wanted to, I'm

2099
02:30:56.680 --> 02:30:58.079
not sure if he could he knows
the answer to that. This is what

2100
02:30:58.200 --> 02:31:01.280
I can tell you. Since the
fusion, he's been a different person as

2101
02:31:01.319 --> 02:31:05.639
far as he's been happier, he's
been comfortable, Jennifer, when you go

2102
02:31:05.719 --> 02:31:07.360
in there, brother, just you
know, really trying to emphasize that I'm

2103
02:31:07.719 --> 02:31:11.680
I'm just so much better to be
around. It's so much more pleasant to

2104
02:31:11.719 --> 02:31:15.159
deal. I'm just happier, you
know. And don't tell him we coached

2105
02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:18.360
you at all for this, That's
all right. Since the fusion, he's

2106
02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:20.719
been a different person as far as
he's been happier. He's been comfortable,

2107
02:31:20.760 --> 02:31:22.879
more active, and he's been able
to work out and do things that he

2108
02:31:22.959 --> 02:31:24.680
wants to do, simple things in
life. When we were going through LSI

2109
02:31:24.760 --> 02:31:28.680
surgeries, he couldn't do sitting,
sleeping, standing. There was even a

2110
02:31:28.760 --> 02:31:31.600
point in time when I had to
feed him. So after the fusion there's

2111
02:31:31.639 --> 02:31:35.079
been a huge improvement. So my
personal feeling is that it's helped tremendously.

2112
02:31:35.239 --> 02:31:37.200
Let me ask you, I'm going
to read this side him and tell me

2113
02:31:37.200 --> 02:31:39.639
if you think it's fictional or entertainment. Jennifer and I have been living.

2114
02:31:39.760 --> 02:31:43.479
This is later from the book A
Hulkug and second book, which the lawyer

2115
02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:48.239
kind of brilliantly reads from. During
the course of this case, Jennifer and

2116
02:31:48.239 --> 02:31:50.600
I have been living at the Big
House on Willidy Elbot, where Linda owns

2117
02:31:50.600 --> 02:31:52.799
half the house. It was part
of the divorce settlement and I had to

2118
02:31:52.879 --> 02:31:54.520
mortgage to my house to pay Grozziano. So we know we have to sell

2119
02:31:54.559 --> 02:31:56.360
the house very soon. And I
don't see it as a loss though.

2120
02:31:56.360 --> 02:32:00.159
I see it as just another step
in the big plan. Truly as is

2121
02:32:00.159 --> 02:32:01.239
the two of us are together to
the size and location of the place to

2122
02:32:01.280 --> 02:32:05.440
live won't matter. He's being honest
and truthful there, and Jennifer, I

2123
02:32:05.600 --> 02:32:09.280
can't say she answered me. I
can't answer that for him. I know

2124
02:32:09.520 --> 02:32:13.040
that sounds crazy to some people,
but believe me, it's anything but crazy,

2125
02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:15.200
because Jennifer is the love of my
life, he writes, and soon

2126
02:32:15.239 --> 02:32:18.600
to be my wife. One hundred
percent accurate. There. She says,

2127
02:32:20.159 --> 02:32:24.200
your words. Lawyer says, well, it's his words. Jennifer says,

2128
02:32:26.239 --> 02:32:31.479
you're saying that. How fucking bizarre
is this? Wow? Hogan being talked

2129
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:37.559
now being whisked through the Laser Spine
Institute Here in this episode, in a

2130
02:32:37.680 --> 02:32:43.959
Johnny his back hurts, he's grunting, he's making noises. One point one

2131
02:32:43.959 --> 02:32:46.319
of the depositions, he's asked,
was there anything about his back that predisposition

2132
02:32:46.399 --> 02:32:50.239
of further injury if he went back
to wrestling Based on the artritis in his

2133
02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:54.239
back, a traumatic blow would probably
cause cause more pain or cause debilitating pain

2134
02:32:54.280 --> 02:32:58.239
where he may not be able to
function from time to time, so the

2135
02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:00.920
stakes are high. We see a
clock on the wall all indicating that Hulk

2136
02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:05.120
is under the knife for undergoing surgery. Here they show Jennifer and Brooke being

2137
02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:09.760
concerned and being told in a half
hour we should be able to go see

2138
02:33:09.840 --> 02:33:11.959
him, hoping he's okay. He's
behind closed doors. They are not filming

2139
02:33:13.000 --> 02:33:16.239
the surgery itself, of course,
that would be insane. I think they

2140
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:20.920
I don't know. I think they
play sounds that's supposed to be Hogan grunting

2141
02:33:20.000 --> 02:33:24.000
in the o R. I think
that's what we hear. We here's some

2142
02:33:24.079 --> 02:33:28.399
kind of noise. Yeah, he's
yeah. And then Glenn Brook's friend calls

2143
02:33:28.399 --> 02:33:31.280
her and wait, no, no, I don't have that you have.

2144
02:33:31.520 --> 02:33:35.360
I only have the Hogan stuff.
No, no, Glenn, yes,

2145
02:33:37.559 --> 02:33:41.239
So she tells him that Holk was
in a good mood this morning. It's

2146
02:33:41.239 --> 02:33:43.239
said to get his back fixed,
and Glenn says, the dancers are kicking

2147
02:33:43.319 --> 02:33:48.959
butt back here and we're ready when
you come back, and he'll kick butt.

2148
02:33:48.000 --> 02:33:52.879
We know it. Then back to
the surgery center, Doctor Saint Louis

2149
02:33:52.920 --> 02:33:54.600
steps out, walks up to Brooke
and Jennifer and says, he's okay.

2150
02:33:56.159 --> 02:34:03.319
Yea. They say he's okay,
hey, so he should be fine.

2151
02:34:03.520 --> 02:34:07.360
Oh my god, thank you so
much. I can't I can't thank you.

2152
02:34:07.879 --> 02:34:11.879
Thank you, okay, thank you. I think we should go scout

2153
02:34:11.959 --> 02:34:18.040
him out right now. Are you
okay? Oh, don't push, don't

2154
02:34:18.079 --> 02:34:22.159
push. You look like you're doing
fine. Immediate relief. Soon as I

2155
02:34:22.760 --> 02:34:24.959
it's all I'm doing that. I
could tell it was like the pressure was

2156
02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:26.280
off power. But they said that
they took out a little punk, a

2157
02:34:26.319 --> 02:34:31.440
bone that was pinching off your nerve
down to your leg. Are your legs

2158
02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:33.959
still numb? No, this little
square here was always noun nounced, not

2159
02:34:35.079 --> 02:34:41.680
numb at all. It doesn't sound
like grounds for a lawsuit yet. M

2160
02:34:41.879 --> 02:34:46.079
hm um. I loove how they
played it up like there's a chance was

2161
02:34:46.079 --> 02:34:52.079
gonna die in this surgery. He's
fine. It's like you didn't operate in

2162
02:34:52.120 --> 02:34:56.600
his heart. Doctor, you did
like a blation on his on his spinal

2163
02:34:56.639 --> 02:34:58.799
column, And yeah, I guess
that sounds dangerous, but I don't know.

2164
02:34:58.840 --> 02:35:01.479
I I don't know that there's actually
a concerned that he's not gonna be

2165
02:35:01.559 --> 02:35:05.479
fine. Just whether it works or
not, it's the question. But at

2166
02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:07.840
least right away, Hulk right there
on camera saying, um, this is

2167
02:35:07.840 --> 02:35:11.559
amazing. You know there was a
patch on his leg that was numb.

2168
02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:15.440
It's not numb anymore. That doesn't
help his case. Let's scrub this from

2169
02:35:15.440 --> 02:35:20.319
the internet, brother mum. But
he's there and he says, immediate relief

2170
02:35:20.479 --> 02:35:24.760
is the word. And uh so
they took off little hunk of bone and

2171
02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:26.520
was pinching on the nerve down to
your legs. So that's why he's feeling

2172
02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:31.719
relief. And again that makes it
comment about the little square and now it's

2173
02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:35.319
not numb at all. Back at
the house, Hulk is walking with his

2174
02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:37.920
arms around Brook and Jennifer. He
needs help getting around still, which is

2175
02:35:39.239 --> 02:35:52.280
kind of telling the story exactly.
Your feet are swollen. Careful, please

2176
02:35:54.639 --> 02:35:58.200
are you okay? Thank you so
much for taking care of my dad.

2177
02:35:58.319 --> 02:36:09.479
Absolutely, I'll take love you daddy, I have to go out, plea,

2178
02:36:09.719 --> 02:36:22.559
be out. That's a normal sound, I'll say. Hulk, Hulk

2179
02:36:22.600 --> 02:36:28.799
in the throes of post operative psychosis, I guess you could say. But

2180
02:36:28.920 --> 02:36:33.000
he doesn't look he doesn't look so
good. And that's the point, is

2181
02:36:33.040 --> 02:36:35.479
that, you know, if you
read through the depositions, like he'd get

2182
02:36:35.520 --> 02:36:37.479
these laser spine treatments, and especially
in the beginning, he'd be good for

2183
02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:41.280
a little while there, right,
the relief would last a while, but

2184
02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:43.840
it would come back hard and then
putt it by Like the sixth one or

2185
02:36:43.879 --> 02:36:46.040
whatever it was. It was like
the relief on the last like an hour

2186
02:36:46.120 --> 02:36:48.799
after this big procedure. It's like, Okay, someone's full of shit here.

2187
02:36:50.639 --> 02:36:56.280
Somebody is full of shit. But
there's the Hulk and this uh todd

2188
02:36:56.319 --> 02:36:58.879
farmer shows up here as a guy
in the background helping them in to the

2189
02:37:00.040 --> 02:37:03.719
house. Slick Eric wats a little
bit, if you ask me, that's

2190
02:37:03.760 --> 02:37:07.760
not good. And it's just it's
sad to see Hulk like in this state

2191
02:37:07.840 --> 02:37:11.799
already after a procedure that's supposed to
make him feel better, but all it

2192
02:37:11.920 --> 02:37:13.639
is is the meds. Like the
cynic would say, the only reason he

2193
02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:16.040
walks out of there feeling great.
Is because he still hopped up on the

2194
02:37:16.120 --> 02:37:20.399
medicine that of course locks the pain. It has nothing to do with the

2195
02:37:20.479 --> 02:37:24.799
procedure, exactly, agreed. Well, if Hulk is, if Hulk is

2196
02:37:24.840 --> 02:37:28.200
indisposed down in Tampa, brother or
clear Water, wherever he is, and

2197
02:37:28.239 --> 02:37:31.360
this thing's gotta get dialed in and
he needs that backup brother when the thing

2198
02:37:31.440 --> 02:37:35.399
comes to his bedside. I think
there's only one person who can come to

2199
02:37:35.520 --> 02:37:39.639
the bedside, hope not that one. Uh. Oh by the way,

2200
02:37:41.840 --> 02:37:45.840
oh by the way, Oh god, I forgot. I made this listen

2201
02:37:46.040 --> 02:38:13.200
because of the music. Listen.
I thought Cocker took it down. Play

2202
02:38:13.239 --> 02:38:33.079
it again and is a so awesome
here, here's here's the bite, here's

2203
02:38:33.120 --> 02:38:39.360
the real thing here. Hey,
jan you how he feeling? He's laying

2204
02:38:39.440 --> 02:38:54.719
down in this bedroom? Yeah you
go, Hey, Hey, maybe I

2205
02:38:54.840 --> 02:38:58.920
got you some flowers brnna be flowers
by nothing in here. He's flating the

2206
02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:05.280
room up a little bit. I
thought it'd be nice, but the hell

2207
02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:07.840
it was nice. But I'm not
your damn girlfriend, and go to your

2208
02:39:07.879 --> 02:39:09.799
feminine side. What are you talking
about? Who kind of drugs you on?

2209
02:39:11.000 --> 02:39:13.399
How cranky are you? Geez?
It's not looking. Let's fight you

2210
02:39:13.440 --> 02:39:20.399
some patron too. Oh there you
go, thank you. Well, how

2211
02:39:20.520 --> 02:39:22.639
was it having tried to walk around
a little bit? I mean, is

2212
02:39:22.680 --> 02:39:26.559
it sure? I actually walked on
the doctor's office after the surgery. He

2213
02:39:26.680 --> 02:39:28.719
walked right out of Really, that's
what the slazer stuff is. But then

2214
02:39:30.559 --> 02:39:33.920
whatever they gave me war off.
It's almost like the weight on my body

2215
02:39:33.079 --> 02:39:37.600
pushing down on my spine made it
hurt so bad. So take it easy,

2216
02:39:37.680 --> 02:39:39.079
no, I mean, seriously,
you know they sit in a couple

2217
02:39:39.079 --> 02:39:41.680
of weeks. I'll be all right, so I'll be ready to go.

2218
02:39:43.760 --> 02:39:46.719
Oh he sounds ready, yeah right, it sounds like he's in a great

2219
02:39:46.760 --> 02:39:54.879
place. Nobs, like, that's
what we need. I mean, you

2220
02:39:54.120 --> 02:40:00.680
remember this all started with us waking
up on wrestling any week and you haven't

2221
02:40:00.680 --> 02:40:05.159
liked the sleep in your eyes and
me recording you saying I'm doing an almost

2222
02:40:05.200 --> 02:40:11.879
brother, And here we get a
look at what Hulk's face actually looks like

2223
02:40:11.000 --> 02:40:18.000
in that state with Knobs at bedside, right, exactly as as forecasted,

2224
02:40:18.079 --> 02:40:22.079
exactly as envisioned, I should say, So that's something you get out of

2225
02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:24.479
this episode for sure. As Knobs
is tapping a bouquet of flowers near Hulk's

2226
02:40:24.479 --> 02:40:30.440
head to wake him up. The
fuck you bring me flowers for such nasal?

2227
02:40:31.120 --> 02:40:33.440
So yeah, a little bit of
banter back and forth between these two

2228
02:40:33.680 --> 02:40:39.200
lifelong chums or career along chums,
and uh yeah, it looks like Hulk's

2229
02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:41.360
going to be great in a couple
of weeks. I'm sure he'll feel a

2230
02:40:41.399 --> 02:40:46.520
lot better. I'm sure. Flashback
to Brooksdan Studio, Miami. She's back

2231
02:40:46.559 --> 02:40:50.000
on the scene and reports that the
Hulkster's bedridden and she's stressed out about it.

2232
02:40:50.040 --> 02:40:52.760
But the shows tomorrow and need to
get this work in and it's one

2233
02:40:52.760 --> 02:40:56.399
of the biggest shows of her life. She's being told she was born to

2234
02:40:56.520 --> 02:41:01.479
perform, so she's of course a
dance number where she throws her boy toy

2235
02:41:01.600 --> 02:41:05.159
on the ground, et cetera.
Oh, I think I actually you know

2236
02:41:05.239 --> 02:41:11.479
what I think I do? Have
this one took five six seven. Go.

2237
02:41:11.040 --> 02:41:15.239
You know that I love your babe. Come on, let's take a

2238
02:41:15.399 --> 02:41:18.040
clothes off, right, yes,
but there's gotta be more intensity and like

2239
02:41:18.399 --> 02:41:22.879
your eyes and when you throw him
down, go go from the start again.

2240
02:41:22.840 --> 02:41:28.000
You know that I love you.
Come on, let's clothes off.

2241
02:41:28.280 --> 02:41:33.879
Are you guys, let's start so
awful. It's so awful. It's just

2242
02:41:33.920 --> 02:41:39.920
so like formulaic and like, I
don't know, just to see it broken

2243
02:41:39.959 --> 02:41:43.440
down like that, just laid bare
like that just makes it sound so pathetic.

2244
02:41:43.879 --> 02:41:46.559
It is pathetic. No, that's
exactly what it is. It is

2245
02:41:46.760 --> 02:41:52.520
absolutely pathetic. She says, how
I'm gonna remember all this. It's a

2246
02:41:52.559 --> 02:41:56.319
lot of choreography. I'm thinking it
runs in the blood Brook choreography, right,

2247
02:41:56.520 --> 02:42:00.399
That's what that's. That's you should
be second nature. I wonder if

2248
02:42:00.399 --> 02:42:03.200
she's going to push through herself doubt
and shine in the end. I'll have

2249
02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:05.600
to see. Oh, I don't
know. I'm nervous. She's now she's

2250
02:42:05.600 --> 02:42:07.840
gonna have a breakdown. And Glenn
says, you know you're going in the

2251
02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:11.440
right direction here, but she's so
overwhelmed. Right now. She goes and

2252
02:42:11.479 --> 02:42:13.719
sits in a van so you can
be with herself and her anxiety as they

2253
02:42:13.799 --> 02:42:58.680
play I should you not hardcore?
Holly's music is any go down alcohol and

2254
02:43:05.399 --> 02:43:09.760
come on bitch. A long time
since we heard that one, the oldie,

2255
02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:13.719
But a good isn't it? Oh? Man? About one of those

2256
02:43:13.440 --> 02:43:18.760
what the fuck can't forget? That's
generic music they used for Hardcorewley. It's

2257
02:43:18.799 --> 02:43:22.920
the Wrong coming down yep, just
like the Heart He's coming into aw and

2258
02:43:22.959 --> 02:43:26.360
they can use their ww theme.
It's just funny that they would, uh

2259
02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:33.639
that, that they would choose that
music. I know remember hearing on Spike

2260
02:43:33.680 --> 02:43:39.840
too during commercial breaks. Sure like
going into a commercial. So it's apparently

2261
02:43:39.879 --> 02:43:43.239
pretty popular generic music in the TV
production world. Yeah, um, and

2262
02:43:43.360 --> 02:43:48.120
there it is. And they play
that music to a limousine suddenly pulling up

2263
02:43:48.319 --> 02:43:52.680
to the location of this music festival
that Brooke Hogan's about to perform att And

2264
02:43:52.840 --> 02:43:56.159
what do we see? What's the
first thing we see emerged from the limo

2265
02:43:56.280 --> 02:44:01.079
a crutch that's right and blue and
boom with blue band in and the Bubba

2266
02:44:01.200 --> 02:44:05.959
Army T shirt. The Hulster steps
out to fulfill the part of the um

2267
02:44:05.159 --> 02:44:09.639
episode script where he's well enough to
go to the concert after all, even

2268
02:44:09.639 --> 02:44:11.920
though he can't even move, or
even if he's not well enough, he's

2269
02:44:13.000 --> 02:44:16.120
he's he's doing, he's he's going
there. This is just like him showing

2270
02:44:16.239 --> 02:44:20.520
up for Brooke and the and the
wedding with Bully Ray at the last minute,

2271
02:44:20.680 --> 02:44:24.440
of course, to walk her down
the aisle No, that's really got

2272
02:44:24.479 --> 02:44:26.559
the idea from you know, do
you do this in the show? Brother?

2273
02:44:26.719 --> 02:44:28.600
That's probably a good call right there. I wonder if we could do

2274
02:44:28.680 --> 02:44:31.440
this again. Dude, kind of
works, you know. You know it's

2275
02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:33.920
you wonder if I can be there
for my daughter in the end, and

2276
02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:39.520
you know cannot do it. Brother, don't get that moment you know there

2277
02:44:39.559 --> 02:44:43.319
he is, she comes up to
him. You're supposed to be laying down.

2278
02:44:43.799 --> 02:44:48.239
I had to come see you.
I got it. What made you

2279
02:44:48.799 --> 02:44:52.120
come down? Yeah, that's it. I'm here. I just feel so

2280
02:44:52.280 --> 02:44:56.200
guilty because you spent all your time
in the hospital trying to help me out,

2281
02:44:56.239 --> 02:44:58.200
and I found out you only had
one day rehearsal. I'm freaking out.

2282
02:44:58.559 --> 02:45:03.120
Okay. Instead of being here rehearsing
and taking care of business, you

2283
02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:05.600
would take care of me. That's
not cool. It's because I love you.

2284
02:45:07.040 --> 02:45:09.719
As soon as I get out of
the car and saw you, it

2285
02:45:09.799 --> 02:45:13.280
didn't hurt that limma ride. Well, let me tell you something. Jennifer

2286
02:45:13.360 --> 02:45:20.280
is a real good nurse. I
bet she's a good nurse. So I'm

2287
02:45:20.319 --> 02:45:26.760
excited to be here. This is
this could be Brook's largest audience. We're

2288
02:45:26.760 --> 02:45:30.000
all here to support you. It's
actually time to go. We gotta get

2289
02:45:30.040 --> 02:45:33.879
going. Seriously, thank you for
coming. I really I can't believe you're

2290
02:45:33.920 --> 02:45:35.479
here. We have to go down
I love you though, I love you

2291
02:45:35.639 --> 02:45:39.159
here. Will you please be down
front? I'll be right there perfect.

2292
02:45:39.360 --> 02:45:45.040
I love you. Yeah. It
makes such a big deal about that,

2293
02:45:45.200 --> 02:45:50.079
you know, about her overcoming her
fear and shit, she's not a great

2294
02:45:50.120 --> 02:45:54.120
dance. It's fine, she's adequate, she's fine, but like you know,

2295
02:45:56.399 --> 02:46:00.680
if i'd be afraid if I were
her, Yeah, for sure,

2296
02:46:00.719 --> 02:46:05.680
with no time to learn the routine
or anything like that. That voice we

2297
02:46:05.799 --> 02:46:09.040
just heard, oh yeah, yeah, those overcoming those odds were real.

2298
02:46:09.120 --> 02:46:11.200
But everything in the doctor's office was
totally fake. I got it. Actually,

2299
02:46:11.600 --> 02:46:16.479
um Cecil Barker was the voice you
heard there quickly. He's the CEO

2300
02:46:16.520 --> 02:46:20.120
of Soby Entertainment, which was the
record label that Brooke was signing to at

2301
02:46:20.159 --> 02:46:22.159
this juncture of her career. And
it was his son, also known as

2302
02:46:22.239 --> 02:46:26.280
Stax, who Brooke was going out
with for a little bit of period of

2303
02:46:26.319 --> 02:46:31.200
time. And that's the guy that
Hulk makes the reference to and the sex

2304
02:46:31.280 --> 02:46:33.840
tape is. You know, if
if Brook's going to go out with a

2305
02:46:35.680 --> 02:46:39.559
you know, racial slur, then
I wish it was a millionaire basketball player

2306
02:46:39.639 --> 02:46:43.440
or wherever insensitive, crazy fucking shit
he said about him. But this is

2307
02:46:43.680 --> 02:46:48.639
this is two poetic man At the
conclusion of TNH, we actually lay eyes

2308
02:46:48.760 --> 02:46:56.799
on them, those characters that were
so sort of central to Hulk not quite

2309
02:46:56.879 --> 02:46:58.440
being able to put it all behind
him after succeeding in the Gawker trial,

2310
02:47:00.040 --> 02:47:05.680
and here they are just standing around
planting seeds that would sprout in a very

2311
02:47:05.719 --> 02:47:09.719
negative way for the Hulkster, but
they're still in the sauce here in two

2312
02:47:09.719 --> 02:47:13.479
thousand and nine, I think this
was and of course Hulk was airing out

2313
02:47:13.559 --> 02:47:16.239
Heather in two thousand and seven,
so that's where that pillow talk came from.

2314
02:47:16.360 --> 02:47:22.760
So clearly this is on the other
side of whatever huge beef Brooke and

2315
02:47:22.840 --> 02:47:24.799
Hulk had about the future of her
music career. Now clearly she's in Hulks

2316
02:47:24.840 --> 02:47:28.920
corner over Linda's their episodes of Brookno's
Best where she sort of has these very

2317
02:47:30.000 --> 02:47:33.040
like truncated brief conversations with her mother
on the phone, and you could tell

2318
02:47:33.079 --> 02:47:37.239
that the mom wasn't really into starring
in the Brookno's Best series, the same

2319
02:47:37.280 --> 02:47:39.280
way the Hulkster was, and she
had made a choice. There's only one

2320
02:47:39.360 --> 02:47:43.000
choice to make, you know.
Of course, Hulker Linda was, I

2321
02:47:43.079 --> 02:47:48.559
want to go anywhere, I'm gonna
stick with the Hulkster. And so there

2322
02:47:48.600 --> 02:47:50.440
he is. This is going to
be huge, he says of Brooke,

2323
02:47:50.479 --> 02:47:54.079
because this could be Brooks's largest audience. To take total crook vibes from this

2324
02:47:54.200 --> 02:47:58.760
guy, I have to say,
totally sold a million dreams to a million

2325
02:47:58.840 --> 02:48:03.000
marks. You can tell she's just
the latest. Brooke just can't believe he's

2326
02:48:03.079 --> 02:48:05.040
here, and gives him a kiss
and to a million marks and made a

2327
02:48:05.120 --> 02:48:09.680
million bucks and never given it away, that's correct, and kept it all

2328
02:48:09.719 --> 02:48:13.719
for himself. So the festival and
their flags waving, and Glenn is coaching

2329
02:48:13.760 --> 02:48:16.399
her through the routine, and Brooke
is introduced on stage and Hulk is standing

2330
02:48:16.479 --> 02:48:20.399
in amongst the masses with his fist
pumping in the crowd, with his fucking

2331
02:48:22.079 --> 02:48:28.479
crutch like it's the like it's the
immortal heel turn angle falling at the crutch,

2332
02:48:28.159 --> 02:48:31.159
and she's got her pole on the
stage, okay, her stripper pole,

2333
02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:37.559
and she says, what the fuck
was that? Where's that from?

2334
02:48:41.959 --> 02:48:50.559
Answer the question? That's a famous
movie scream called the Wilhelm screen Play it

2335
02:48:50.600 --> 02:49:03.959
again and help play Hulk making the
sexual noises. The other one, the

2336
02:49:03.079 --> 02:49:07.120
one, the one that you took
from the episode of him oh, the

2337
02:49:07.440 --> 02:49:22.239
the grunting. Play that with the
other one. The family feud music Ready,

2338
02:49:33.639 --> 02:50:05.840
one Go Down is a one two
cinema on the fucking anti crow.

2339
02:50:05.000 --> 02:50:11.479
I've done alcohol and I've done marijuana. I ain't a lot cinema. One

2340
02:50:11.399 --> 02:50:33.559
two frinoli. Great thing has come
to those who wait, ha ha ha

2341
02:50:35.719 --> 02:51:20.559
doing live. You're crowds fomed at
the crowd one two frinoli, an absolute

2342
02:51:20.639 --> 02:51:35.600
toward the force. I couldn't be
happier to finish tenah with that eiveing.

2343
02:51:37.399 --> 02:51:56.399
That's the greatest gift. What a
stupid fucking journey the fuck. Oh god.

2344
02:51:58.319 --> 02:52:01.239
So she does her dance and saying
I want to see you stripped from

2345
02:52:01.239 --> 02:52:03.360
me, and they pop and she
points out my dad just had back surgery

2346
02:52:03.360 --> 02:52:09.040
and he's standing right there, lifts
his crutches, He's standing there like no

2347
02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:11.719
problem with his back surgery. Olster
still gets the biggest pop of the night.

2348
02:52:13.040 --> 02:52:16.040
Of course, Oh my god.
Seriously, later on, after the

2349
02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:39.879
show, you killed it, seryk, you killed it. Are you?

2350
02:52:39.959 --> 02:52:46.360
Okay? What are you doing on
this decision? One day? Rehears all

2351
02:52:46.399 --> 02:52:48.719
that drama and stress and look at
you know, not pulling it off.

2352
02:52:48.879 --> 02:52:52.319
I've worked with a lot of artists
and they can't even do that, and

2353
02:52:52.360 --> 02:52:58.040
you did that one day. Thank
you. I can't. Well, you

2354
02:52:58.159 --> 02:53:13.319
were there for all the surgery,
you so much. And they go hand

2355
02:53:13.360 --> 02:53:18.440
to hand, the whole crew there
and they do the hands together and chant

2356
02:53:18.520 --> 02:53:20.479
together, and perhaps for one fleeting
moment for Hulk and his family, things

2357
02:53:20.559 --> 02:53:24.479
were in fact back on track.
But we close with the significance of all

2358
02:53:24.559 --> 02:53:30.200
this, and we close with the
significance of much more. Boss, I'd

2359
02:53:30.200 --> 02:53:31.840
ask you to read the following,
and I'd ask you to read in Hulkogan's

2360
02:53:31.920 --> 02:53:35.799
voice, and I'll tell you why. Okay. This is an affidavit filed

2361
02:53:35.840 --> 02:53:39.280
in the lawsuit against Laser's Spine Institute
by a doctor by the name of Wellington

2362
02:53:39.399 --> 02:53:50.360
K. Hussu. And this is
this is basically terry puppeteering. Yeah,

2363
02:53:52.879 --> 02:53:58.719
he's gonna help us sue all.
We just heard the seemingly hugely positive outcome

2364
02:53:58.760 --> 02:54:03.319
for Cogan undergoing the laser spine treatment, being able to make brook show and

2365
02:54:03.760 --> 02:54:05.600
getting the feeling back in that patch
of his leg and everything he said,

2366
02:54:05.719 --> 02:54:09.399
and he'll be fine in a couple
of weeks and all that shit and Jennifer

2367
02:54:09.479 --> 02:54:11.760
jerking him off in the limousine or
whatever he's talking about. Yeah, Yeah,

2368
02:54:13.520 --> 02:54:16.319
this is what it comes down to. This is what all that stuff

2369
02:54:16.440 --> 02:54:20.399
ended up filtered through when it came
time to line up another payday in the

2370
02:54:20.440 --> 02:54:22.600
court of law for the Huxter.
When we leave you with this, the

2371
02:54:22.639 --> 02:54:26.799
affidavit of Wellington KHISU and I don't
want you to picture a doctor by that

2372
02:54:26.920 --> 02:54:30.680
name. I mean to picture a
puppet by that name with Hulk Hogan's hand

2373
02:54:30.760 --> 02:54:35.040
up his ass saying the following.
Before me, the undersigned authority personally appeared

2374
02:54:35.559 --> 02:54:41.840
Wellington KY to Sue MD, who, upon first being first duly sworn,

2375
02:54:41.319 --> 02:54:46.079
deposes and says, Number one,
I'm over the age of twenty one years,

2376
02:54:46.559 --> 02:54:52.639
competent to give this opinion and with
personal knowledge of the facts and opinions

2377
02:54:52.719 --> 02:54:58.680
contained here. Number two, I
am a physician licensed to practice medicine in

2378
02:54:58.799 --> 02:55:03.559
the state of Illinois, and I'm
bored certified in orthopedic surgery by the American

2379
02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:09.920
Board of Orthopedic Surgery. Number three. I have been involved in the full

2380
02:55:09.000 --> 02:55:16.399
time, active and clinical practice of
medicine and specially specifically orthopedic spine surgery for

2381
02:55:16.520 --> 02:55:22.319
the past five years and beyond and
including the dates involved in this case.

2382
02:55:22.799 --> 02:55:28.760
I have extensive experience providing care to
patients with conditions similar to Terry Balaia as

2383
02:55:28.879 --> 02:55:37.120
discussed below. Let's jump to number
seven. All Right Brother accord number seven.

2384
02:55:37.319 --> 02:55:41.319
According to the records and materials reviewed, Balaya underwent an MRI on February

2385
02:55:41.360 --> 02:55:46.120
second, two thousand and nine,
which revealed that he was suffering from multiple

2386
02:55:46.319 --> 02:55:58.879
thoracic and lumbar spinal abnormalities including peno
limited to lumbard degenerative scoliosis, spondelio Gazazi

2387
02:55:58.319 --> 02:56:07.440
theses at L four five, severe
spinal stenosis at multiple lumber lumbar lumber levels

2388
02:56:09.799 --> 02:56:18.079
thank Josh style lumbar levels, multiple
bulging discs, severe central stenosis at several

2389
02:56:18.239 --> 02:56:24.000
levels, disk generation and multi level
nerve root compression. Number eight. Subsequently,

2390
02:56:24.079 --> 02:56:28.719
on February twenty fifth, two thousand
and nine, and based on Balaia's

2391
02:56:28.879 --> 02:56:35.840
MRI findings, complaints of worsening and
severely debilitating back pain and history of conservative

2392
02:56:35.559 --> 02:56:41.239
treatments, no longer being effective.
Doctor Juan Ariba from the University of South

2393
02:56:41.319 --> 02:56:50.520
Florida correctly offered Balaya surgical options including
anterior inter body fusion with supplemental posterior instrumentation.

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02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:58.360
Per doctor Ariba's record, Balaya definitely
did not want conservative treatment as an

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02:56:58.399 --> 02:57:03.319
option. Accordingly, Bala agreed to
proceed with the procedure. Is my opinion

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02:57:03.680 --> 02:57:09.559
that this procedure is supported by the
evidence based literature and would have provided him

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02:57:09.920 --> 02:57:16.440
with the best opportunity to achieve long
term solution the underlying problems spinal instability,

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02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:24.680
Spondeliothi thesis, scoliosis, spinal stenosis, and decreased dis hyde that were causing

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02:57:24.840 --> 02:57:33.319
his severe lumbar spine related symptoms.
It appears that Bala initially agreed to undergo

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02:57:33.440 --> 02:57:39.040
the fusion procedure as recommended by doctor
Riba number nine on February twenty fifth,

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02:57:39.079 --> 02:57:43.399
two thousand and nine, and based
on a referral from a Steve from a

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02:57:43.680 --> 02:57:48.680
Steve Chapman, Bala presented to Laser
Spine Institute LLC, where he was consulted

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02:57:48.760 --> 02:57:56.319
by James Saint Louis d O and
others for another opinion and discuss options that

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02:57:56.520 --> 02:58:03.399
Laser Spine Institute could offer him for
his lumbar spine related complaints. During the

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02:58:03.479 --> 02:58:09.120
examination, Balaya provided a history to
Laser Spine that he had tried multiple conservative

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02:58:09.159 --> 02:58:13.120
measures to try to resolve his symptoms, but that he continued to have constant

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02:58:13.200 --> 02:58:22.639
pain and symptoms on a level of
ten out of ten, ten ten,

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02:58:22.000 --> 02:58:24.959
ten, brother, ten, Yes, they see that. Now, now

2409
02:58:26.000 --> 02:58:31.120
I see what you did. Saint
Louis specifically noted that all prior conservative measures

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02:58:31.399 --> 02:58:35.879
had failed and A Balaya was already
scheduled to undergo a multi level lumbar fusion.

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02:58:37.360 --> 02:58:41.760
Therefore, he was aware that Balaya
was already deemed a fusion candidate.

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02:58:41.159 --> 02:58:48.239
The conservative measures need by Saint Louis
as being attempted by Balaya included physical therapy,

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02:58:48.680 --> 02:58:56.200
traction, traction, acupuncture, lumbar
ablations, and chiropractic techniques number ten.

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02:58:56.840 --> 02:59:01.959
Both the records and the testimonies jested
on February twenty fifth, two thousand

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02:59:01.000 --> 02:59:05.959
and nine, Saint Louis and others
acting on behalf of the Laser Spine Institute

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02:59:07.200 --> 02:59:11.920
were aware of Balaza's desire to return
to his professional activities as a professional wrestler

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02:59:13.360 --> 02:59:16.440
rapidly, and that they use this
desire as well as the fear of what

2418
02:59:16.639 --> 02:59:22.799
could happen during a multi level fusion
and convincible they had to forego his previous

2419
02:59:22.840 --> 02:59:28.159
decision to undergo the already scheduled surgery, which Alisi termed in their records as

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02:59:28.239 --> 02:59:35.840
extensive and last resort, in favor
of their one level endyscopic decompression surgery and

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02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:43.639
nerve root ablations at several levels.
The testimony reviewed makes it clear that Balaia,

2422
02:59:43.719 --> 02:59:46.799
in no uncertain terms, made it
clear that he was seeking a second

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02:59:46.840 --> 02:59:50.159
opinion on the effectiveness of a fusion
to allow him to return to his work

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02:59:50.479 --> 02:59:56.840
as a professional wrestler, that he
had a limited time to become physically able

2425
02:59:56.879 --> 03:00:00.399
to perform as a wrestler, and
he was seeking treatment with this his goal

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03:00:00.440 --> 03:00:03.840
in mind. Per the testimony reviewed, it is clear that bala was told

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03:00:03.879 --> 03:00:09.639
by the surgeons actually on behalf of
the Laser Spine Institute, including doctor Saint

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03:00:09.760 --> 03:00:13.239
Lewis, that they could get him
back to wrestling quickly and in an event,

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03:00:13.559 --> 03:00:18.040
quicker than would be the case if
he decided to follow through with a

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03:00:18.159 --> 03:00:22.920
fusion. There is no record of
the initial consultation with Balia in the Laser

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03:00:24.000 --> 03:00:28.000
Spine Institute chart, which indicates that
they advised against the return of wrestling for

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03:00:28.200 --> 03:00:33.280
him or that they person entered their
endoscopic Lombard decompression of surgeries to him as

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03:00:33.280 --> 03:00:37.559
an additional conservative measure to be performed
before he submits. Brother. Dude,

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03:00:37.559 --> 03:00:41.879
I'm not no, dude, I'm
not submitting brother to a fusion terry,

2435
03:00:41.959 --> 03:00:46.760
not to an opponent. I must, dude, I don't know who Fusion

2436
03:00:46.879 --> 03:00:48.879
is. Dude, I must submit
to him either. Brother. Fusion Media

2437
03:00:48.920 --> 03:00:58.399
Ventures. They almost bought WCWE number
eleven after being convinced to do so by

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03:00:58.479 --> 03:01:03.520
Doctor Saint Louis or Saint Louis and
others acting on behalf of the Laser Spine

2439
03:01:03.559 --> 03:01:09.799
Institute. Balaya agreed to allow the
Laser Spine Institute's surgeons to perform multiple ineffective

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03:01:09.840 --> 03:01:13.200
procedures between February two thousand and nine
in August two thousand and ten, as

2441
03:01:13.280 --> 03:01:22.520
follows, a thermal oblation of the
bilateral facet joint nerves and lumbar hemi laminectomy

2442
03:01:22.879 --> 03:01:28.959
with four menotomy by Saint Louis and
Kevin Scott, MD. On February twenty

2443
03:01:28.000 --> 03:01:33.399
eight, two thousand and nine,
b thermal oblation of the left para vertebral

2444
03:01:33.959 --> 03:01:41.319
facet joint nerve at L two three
and lumbar lambisset lambinectomy with four of anatomy

2445
03:01:43.200 --> 03:01:58.959
including partial factomi fasectomy and nerve root
DECOMSI slip that one in there and nerves

2446
03:02:00.040 --> 03:02:07.440
fruit decompression with percutaneous license of adhesions
and caudal epidural steroid injections. Brother,

2447
03:02:09.840 --> 03:02:15.319
dude, dude, look I bad
to get injected with steroids. What a

2448
03:02:15.399 --> 03:02:20.760
long art, brother, And I'm
not a steroid abuser. Put that in

2449
03:02:20.840 --> 03:02:26.920
there, Doctor Sue by Saint Louis
and Scott on May twenty first, two

2450
03:02:26.959 --> 03:02:35.760
thousand and nine. See Endoscopic surgical
Risotomy's of the fast joints by Scott on

2451
03:02:35.799 --> 03:02:39.079
October twelfth, two thousand and nine. Is it Tony sensing something? He'd

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03:02:39.120 --> 03:02:46.479
say in this Carni language, Brother, I'm an endoscopic surgical dude, Got

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03:02:46.520 --> 03:02:56.079
that right? I'll weekend d L
three four percutaneous dissectomy on May twenty seven,

2454
03:02:56.120 --> 03:03:03.920
two thousand and ten. By Zultan
Perserker d O E L four slash

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03:03:03.040 --> 03:03:11.520
five persetaneous desectomy with lisnis of adhesions
on June thirty A, twenty ten by

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03:03:11.000 --> 03:03:20.479
Barewski Dude and f L two slash
three persetaneous desectomy with lysis of adhesions on

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03:03:20.559 --> 03:03:26.399
August twelfth, two thousand and ten
by Berzekind Dude. In no way could

2458
03:03:26.440 --> 03:03:31.239
any of these procedures reasonably be seen
as by any reasonable prudent and competent spine

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03:03:31.280 --> 03:03:37.479
surgeon as having any potential to provide
any measure of relief to Belaya based upon

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03:03:37.520 --> 03:03:41.840
his self reported symptoms and the content
condition of his lumbar spine at all times

2461
03:03:41.959 --> 03:03:48.360
during his care at the Laser's Spine
Institute Number twelve. In reality, any

2462
03:03:48.440 --> 03:03:54.799
reasonable prudent and competent spinal surgeon would
or should note that the procedures proposed to

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03:03:54.959 --> 03:04:00.479
Belaya by Doctor Saint Louis and those
actually on behalf of the Laser Spine Institute

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03:04:00.479 --> 03:04:05.000
in two thousand and nine twenty ten, would more likely than not never provide

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03:04:05.079 --> 03:04:09.360
him with any significant or long lasting
relief based on his self reported symptoms at

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03:04:09.440 --> 03:04:15.280
the time of the consultation. They
also knew or should have known that the

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03:04:15.520 --> 03:04:20.360
only procedures that would have had any
reasonable probability are providing significant relief for the

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03:04:20.440 --> 03:04:24.440
symptoms described by Balaya, would be
a procedure to fix all of the structural

2469
03:04:24.639 --> 03:04:31.719
defects in his lumbar spine. Now
this includes those which would eliminate his compressed

2470
03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:37.000
nerve roots caused by scoliosis and degenerative
disc disease, and those procedures that could

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03:04:37.040 --> 03:04:46.920
address his central stenosis and eliminate his
lumbar instability caused by his spondylidosis. This

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03:04:46.079 --> 03:04:54.200
would necessarily have required a multi level
fusion procedure Number thirteen. Nonetheless, even

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03:04:54.280 --> 03:04:58.200
though it should have been obvious to
doctor st. Lewis and the Laser Spine

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03:04:58.239 --> 03:05:03.159
Institute, physicians involved all in Balaya's
care at the Laser Spine Institute that the

2475
03:05:03.239 --> 03:05:07.799
treatment they were providing him was going
and continue to be ineffective. They prolonged

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03:05:07.840 --> 03:05:13.639
this treatment and at no time recommended
lumbar fusion. There is no evidence that

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03:05:13.719 --> 03:05:18.280
they provided any counseling at any time
to Balaya regarding the option of the lumbar

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03:05:18.360 --> 03:05:24.840
fusion to address his lumbar instability and
spinal stenosis. In fact, it appears

2479
03:05:26.120 --> 03:05:30.719
that they continue to advise Balaya for
the next nineteen months and through six clearly

2480
03:05:30.799 --> 03:05:35.879
unnecessary and futile surgeries that they could
help him. Number fourteen you know,

2481
03:05:35.959 --> 03:05:41.639
based upon the information contained within the
records, images, and depositions that I've

2482
03:05:41.719 --> 03:05:46.360
reviewed, Saint Louis and Laser Spine
Institute were not only negligent in the care

2483
03:05:46.440 --> 03:05:50.280
and treatment of Balaya, but they
were grossly negligent in the sense that they

2484
03:05:50.920 --> 03:06:00.559
were egregiously offered unreasonable surgical recommendations and
later acting unreasonably and performing the recommended surgeries

2485
03:06:00.920 --> 03:06:05.600
as doing so was so wanting in
care that had constituted a conscious disregard for

2486
03:06:05.719 --> 03:06:11.280
Balaya's well being, in best interests
and their care. Their quote care and

2487
03:06:11.719 --> 03:06:18.559
quote medical counseling gave no chance for
any meaningful recovery. Specifically, doctor Saint

2488
03:06:18.680 --> 03:06:26.799
Louis and the Laser's Spine Institute acted
egregiously and grossly negligent. As follows a

2489
03:06:26.600 --> 03:06:31.600
talking Balay out of the previously agreed
to and scheduled lumbar fusion surgery that would

2490
03:06:31.600 --> 03:06:37.319
have been best for him and which
provided him with the best opportunity to achieve

2491
03:06:37.399 --> 03:06:39.600
his goals of returning to work as
a wrestler, and at the same time

2492
03:06:39.760 --> 03:06:45.760
convincing him that the procedures provided by
Laser Spine Institute would eliminate his pain and

2493
03:06:45.799 --> 03:06:48.319
would allow him to return to work
as a wrestler, and a quicker amount

2494
03:06:48.319 --> 03:06:54.280
of time. B actually performing all
the procedures six in total over a nineteen

2495
03:06:54.319 --> 03:06:58.879
month period of time on Balay at
which Saint Louis and Laser spine knew or

2496
03:07:00.040 --> 03:07:05.680
should have known, could not provide
Balaya with any discernible relief. C failing

2497
03:07:05.719 --> 03:07:13.239
to refuse that to treat Balaya endoscopically, and failing to tell him that a

2498
03:07:13.360 --> 03:07:18.959
lumbar fusion was a better option for
him. D blatantly misleading Buoya to believe

2499
03:07:18.040 --> 03:07:24.840
that the procedures that were proposed could
provide him long term relief for his symptoms.

2500
03:07:24.559 --> 03:07:31.079
E continued to perform procedures for Balia
which were known or which he should

2501
03:07:31.120 --> 03:07:35.040
have known, to not be capable
of providing any significant long term relief under

2502
03:07:35.040 --> 03:07:39.920
the circumstances of his case, and
which he had had to fit and which

2503
03:07:41.000 --> 03:07:48.440
had to fail to previously provide relief. And f not addressing Bala's spinal instability,

2504
03:07:48.040 --> 03:07:52.399
spinal stenosis, and disspaced loss as
a part of his treatment plan,

2505
03:07:54.159 --> 03:08:00.879
G failing to recommend lumbar fusion,
and H being being motivated by the best

2506
03:08:00.959 --> 03:08:05.879
interests of the Laser Spine Institute,
including those of its marketing and advertising over

2507
03:08:05.959 --> 03:08:11.639
the interests of the patient in obtaining
honest, competent and reliable medical advice and

2508
03:08:11.000 --> 03:08:18.479
care and treatment Number fifteen. As
a result of this negligence, Balaya's ability

2509
03:08:18.520 --> 03:08:24.680
to obtain a functional recovery from his
debilitating symptoms were delayed within a reasonable degree

2510
03:08:24.719 --> 03:08:28.559
of medical probability, and based upon
his recovery from his lumbar fusion that took

2511
03:08:28.639 --> 03:08:33.920
place in December twenty ten, it
is clearly that had the Laser Spine Institute

2512
03:08:35.159 --> 03:08:39.520
and Saint Louis acted reasonably and had
they made the proper recommendation for an open

2513
03:08:39.639 --> 03:08:46.319
fusion procedure as recommended by doctor Arriba, Belaya's recovery would have occurred much earlier,

2514
03:08:46.559 --> 03:08:50.959
and he would probably been able to
resume his wrestling career as early as

2515
03:08:50.040 --> 03:08:56.120
three months from surgery sixteen. This
Affidavid is not intended to be my full

2516
03:08:56.159 --> 03:09:01.159
and complete opinion. It is only
intended to apprize the court in summary fashion

2517
03:09:01.559 --> 03:09:05.079
the basic points of my opinion and
who advise the chord of the egregious and

2518
03:09:05.280 --> 03:09:11.440
grossly negligent nature of the care provided
by doctor Saint Louis and the Laser Spot

2519
03:09:11.559 --> 03:09:16.200
Institute. I anticipate that my trial
testimony will be more detailed on these issues,

2520
03:09:16.479 --> 03:09:22.200
and it will cover medical issues in
addition to those discussed here in seventeen.

2521
03:09:22.639 --> 03:09:28.360
Laser Spine Institute LLC and Saint Louis
was grossly negligent in the care and

2522
03:09:28.479 --> 03:09:33.120
treatment of Blay Dude. They should
have never offered him and enescopic one level

2523
03:09:33.440 --> 03:09:39.360
unilateral lumbardi compression because his symptoms at
the time and the lumbar issues were far

2524
03:09:39.440 --> 03:09:45.840
more extensive or complex than this procedure
could have ever been addressed. Furthermore,

2525
03:09:45.959 --> 03:09:50.319
Dude, after one unsuccessful enoscopic procedure, they should not have proceeded with the

2526
03:09:50.399 --> 03:09:56.360
recommendation for additional civil operations man that
predictably failed. They should have either offered

2527
03:09:56.559 --> 03:10:01.200
to him effusion surgery or send him
to a practice that could have performed that

2528
03:10:01.280 --> 03:10:07.760
procedure In staid, LSI and Saint
Louis disregarded Ballet as well being and swayed

2529
03:10:07.840 --> 03:10:13.280
him away from the surgery he needed
in favor of the six surgeries Dude,

2530
03:10:13.559 --> 03:10:16.920
which could never have helped him.
I have never had any opinions disqualified in

2531
03:10:18.040 --> 03:10:22.200
any administrative forum brother, court of
law or other proceedings. Nor have I

2532
03:10:22.360 --> 03:10:28.000
ever been disqualified as an expert witness. I have never been found guilty of

2533
03:10:28.079 --> 03:10:31.680
fraud or perjury in any jurisdiction.
Dude, this number nineteen. This is

2534
03:10:31.760 --> 03:10:35.639
my true and verified opinion, Brother, on our penalties of perjury. I

2535
03:10:35.799 --> 03:10:41.760
declare that I have read the foregoing, and that the facts stated in it

2536
03:10:41.079 --> 03:10:50.680
are true. Santis Production its contents
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