1 00:00:27,239 --> 00:00:30,320 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:36,640 we have guests Jobie Sofa Clark on this uh this evening and a very interesting 3 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:40,840 person. I've heard him talk on a few other shows. Uh. He's 4 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,799 got a lot of he's got a lot of theories. He uses some other 5 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,560 like on the basis of some theories and has his own takes on them. 6 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,439 It's pretty interesting. I hope you enjoy him as a guest. Uh. 7 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,920 This week, we have a blog by Charles Lear. It's part two of 8 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:04,120 Resilian UFO Hotspot and a general so check that out. Again. Those are 9 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:10,719 made into audio podcasts as well by Charles, and he does a great job 10 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:15,719 researching. I hope you check that out. He's also the author of The 11 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:22,640 UFO Investigators and that book's available on Amazon and all that. So a little 12 00:01:22,719 --> 00:01:27,519 later on this week, we have Crossfire UAP Crossfire Thursday nights every Thursday night. 13 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:34,599 That's a two hour along with Christaperno, myself and a Commander Cobra. 14 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,599 Usually he's not going to be there this week, and also Don Ecker who's 15 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:44,920 filling in for him though is Chris Lambright. Chris Lambright wrote a great book 16 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:48,680 about the Paul Benowitz case, and he's going to be talking about that. 17 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:55,640 We're also going to be talking on that show about Sean Kirkpatrick's aaro parting words 18 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:00,719 that's out there on I think it's Scientific America or can't remember exactly the website 19 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:07,000 that's on there, but we're going to be discussing that, and we'll just 20 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:12,159 I'm not real thrilled with some of it, but I understand some of what 21 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,319 he said makes some sense. But we'll dissect that and talk about that again 22 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,560 on Thursday night. Also Thursday night, I'll be playing a little teaser of 23 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:28,039 a recording that I'm going to be doing earlier that day with Representative timber Chet, 24 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,840 So i'll have that full clip on a week from today. I also 25 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:36,719 have Dave Scott, He's going to be our guest next week, but the 26 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:40,680 full interview with tember Chet will be on we'll be posted next a week from 27 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:46,479 tonight Tuesday. But I will put a little teaser in this coming Thursday when 28 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,680 we do the UAP Crossfire, So check that out. You can only actually 29 00:02:50,719 --> 00:02:55,800 see that on KGr A Radio Live or right here on this YouTube channel, 30 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,039 So that's the way you can watch that. Particular show, So I am 31 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,000 ready to bring in our guests. Welcome to the show. Joby, Hey, 32 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:09,000 thanks for having me Martin. Yes, thanks for being on. And 33 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:15,319 you have a lot of interesting theories that you kind of dive into. And 34 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:20,080 how long have you been looking into, say, all the topics that was 35 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,360 just kind of like a lifelong type of thing that you've been interested in these 36 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,039 type of things. Well, I mean, I'm only twenty six, but 37 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,319 ever since I graduated in twenty twenty, I've been you know, studying this 38 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:38,000 very thoroughly and you know, diving down this rabbit hole full time. Basically, 39 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:43,560 I'm an independent researcher. I have like many theories about essentially the evolution 40 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,800 from single celled organisms to civilization and the loops and hoops that we had to 41 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:53,759 jump through and the lucky coincidences that essentially brought us here to this, you 42 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:59,000 know, amazing civilization. Yes, a lot of times I do talk about 43 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:02,400 this. I also do a show occasionally called The Everything Else Show where I 44 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:09,199 discussed all kinds of topics, and I have talked a lot about my interests 45 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:15,560 in this part about evolution and about the first spark of life, how all 46 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:19,920 these things had to be lined up the chemicals, the you know, it 47 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,160 seems like a miracle that that could happen. And you know, some of 48 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:31,199 the thoughts are possible, possibly panspermia. You know that maybe life is floating 49 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,560 from other places and you know comes in on say a media or something like 50 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:41,399 that. But the bottom line is it had to start somewhere. The first 51 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,920 spark of life had to start somewhere. And I understand by listening to you 52 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:54,600 talk you have a theory about kind of how rare life is, and I'm 53 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,319 wondering if that's the case. I know you talk about plate tectonics and how 54 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:01,839 that played a role. The moon I've always thought played a role in it, 55 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:09,800 and I believe you do as well. But the thing that I have 56 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,160 a feeling that life wants to be, wants to exist. You know, 57 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,240 when you take and you look at places where life shouldn't be, it is, 58 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:21,639 you know, like in places where there's absolutely no light, there's no 59 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,040 source of energy that we can think of, and yet there's life there. 60 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,399 And then in these acid pools there's life there, you know, And so 61 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:36,079 I think life wants to find a way. But you have a different idea 62 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:42,480 about you think that life is more or less rare, and we may be 63 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,920 just the exception. Yeah, So when you talk about panspermia and essentially the 64 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:53,959 origin of life, so there's basically two two schools of thought. Seemingly, 65 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:02,560 one is that somehow life arose somewhere else and then by traveling through space, 66 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,160 it eventually crashed onto Earth and then you know, those were the first life 67 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:12,079 forms and then they start, you know, making copies of themselves, et 68 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,680 cetera, et cetera. But in my research, I'm a strong proponent of 69 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,160 abiogenesis, which is essentially the other side of the argument is that rather than 70 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:27,480 non living matter becoming matter somewhere else and then crashing onto Earth, the idea 71 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,480 is that abiogenesis, the process of turning non living matter into living matter, 72 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:38,399 occurred on Earth. And essentially the mechanism that I propose of how this happened 73 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,399 was plate tectonics. Essentially, the the core component of life existing is energy 74 00:06:44,399 --> 00:06:48,920 because we need energy to you know, survive, And the question is how 75 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:54,959 did this life get energy before photosynthesis had existed, because you know, photosynthesists, 76 00:06:54,959 --> 00:07:00,079 you could say, is the solar panels of early life forms. And 77 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,759 you don't just go from nothing to solar panels, you need a step in 78 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:09,839 between to get energy and basically a source of chemical energy, and one amazing 79 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:15,240 source of chemical energy that could fuel a biogenesis is plate tectonics, because essentially, 80 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,199 unlike all the other planets in our solar system, which are just a 81 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:25,839 one plate structure that is unmoving and solid, just stationary, we have plate 82 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:30,480 tectonics where essentially you could say that the crust is like a slow moving conveyor 83 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:38,079 belt bringing elements from the core of our Earth that have been exposed to heat 84 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,399 and pressure, and then they surface on the surface of the planet. So 85 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:48,319 essentially you have this free conveyor belt food machine that is constantly bringing free chemical 86 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:54,920 energy for you could say, abiotic systems that could use that chemical energy. 87 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:58,879 So the question is how did it actually eat the food before it was alive? 88 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:05,560 You could say that there it's possible that systems of chemical reactions lasted indefinitely 89 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,720 because their ingredients kept getting replenished over and over. So the you know, 90 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,879 the the chemical reaction kept gone going and then it's slowly changing and mutating a 91 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,360 little bit, and then eventually that mutation might gain the ability to drop a 92 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,600 copy of itself or an egg and then now you know that that egg is 93 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,480 going to drop an egg, and that egg just drop an egg and the 94 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,360 boom, Now there's life. So I think when you compare pants fermia with 95 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:33,600 a biogenesis, I always thought the idea of pants fermia was a bit odd 96 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,679 because basically what you're saying is that abiogenesis occurred somewhere else and then traveled through 97 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:43,360 the cold you know, you know, zero degree space, and then interacted 98 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,320 with more atmosphere, so it was really cold and then it was really hot, 99 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:52,919 and then it survived. So it seems less likely that pants spermia happened, 100 00:08:52,039 --> 00:08:56,159 and it seems much more likely that a biogenesis occurred on Earth, especially 101 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,159 given the fact that plate tectonics exist here, which is a crucial component of 102 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,519 how these systems might have gotten life forms. I mean energy, And sorry, 103 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:13,000 remind me of your other question or your other is kind of lost in 104 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:18,879 thought. While it was panspermia and the first spark of life, the possibility 105 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:20,639 of the first park of life, foot I did want to ask you a 106 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,440 question on something you said, and are we sure that there are no other 107 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,279 planets in our Solar system with a plate system? Are we positive about that? 108 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,840 And how do we know that? Do you know? We're fairly sure, 109 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:41,120 I believe. I mean, you can just look at Mars and it's 110 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,960 quite obvious because if there was a a plate techonic structure, you would be 111 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,639 able to just see it. And then in the case of Venus, I 112 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,039 guess is a little more hazy, like it seems like this surface is a 113 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,799 little messed up. But I think we would know our telescopes would be able 114 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:03,159 to like determine whether a surface is moving, because it's a completely different thing. 115 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,279 So I'm I'm pretty sure we're sure on that one. I know, 116 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,919 uh, you know, like Jupiter's a guess, a gas planet, and 117 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,519 uh but uh, you know, I mean they they have talked about the 118 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 possibility of life on is it Europa? I believe, you know, because 119 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:28,200 of the uh, the orbiting and the expanding and contracting could cause some type 120 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,600 of a thermal situation, you know. Uh, but it's covered with ice, 121 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,600 so it's it's uh, it's an interesting theory that there could be actually 122 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,679 life underneath that. So we don't know, I mean, we as far 123 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,039 as we know I heard you say this, we don't think that there's any 124 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,559 life in our solar system. But we don't know, you know, we 125 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,320 can't be certain of it, You're right, I mean we can't actually be 126 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,360 certain until we like fly over to Europa and look at the water. But 127 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:00,200 yeah, from from my you know, it's like without without any of the 128 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:05,120 data, just looking on like the chemistry and the physics behind a biogenesis. 129 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,559 If you make the assumption that plate tectonics is a requirement, then we can 130 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:16,039 deduce that there wouldn't be any life unless it's a planet with plate tectonics. 131 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,679 As far as Europa like, I think, the idea was that the underground 132 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:28,360 oceans might have some mechanism of a biogenesis. And what we do know is 133 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:33,759 that many of the current theories of a biogenesis revolve around hydrothermal events, which 134 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:39,720 are essentially underwater events of lots of very highly concentrated materials, and the idea 135 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:45,080 is that life could you know, you know, the abiotic systems might evolve 136 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,759 through these hydro thermal events. However, in my research, I also found 137 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:54,159 that hydro thermal events are a result of plate tectonics, so I went back 138 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,759 to the plate tectonics idea. So yeah, I mean, we might be 139 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,200 able to in fact a way to disprove my theory would be able to find 140 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,039 life on a planet without play technoics. Yeah, that would be Yeah, 141 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,759 then we that would be a major step, a major step for me and 142 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:16,360 kind just to find life in general. And you know with U I had 143 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:22,200 a astrophysicist on Adam. I cannot remember his lass name right now, but 144 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:28,039 he was on I don't know a few months ago and basically said that he's 145 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:35,639 in a program that has is working with the James Webb Telescope that is trying 146 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,159 to write papers on how to find techno signatures out there, which I think 147 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,600 is fascinating. And I think that's you know, I think that's the way 148 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:54,320 we're probably going to find something elsewhere myself, only because you know these things 149 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,200 of SETI, you know, looking for radio signals. Well, maybe radio 150 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,240 signals were never used. Maybe it was something entirely different. I don't know, 151 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:05,120 you know, it's better they're looking, they're looking, they're not looking 152 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,960 at all. But I don't know if the radio signal signals were the correct 153 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,000 method of what you know, we have no idea what would be looking for 154 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:22,080 and if there was alien technology out there, and I don't know if it 155 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,960 could be encompassed in signals, it might be a whole different technology. I 156 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:33,840 have some thoughts about that. So I think when you're basically you can essentially 157 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,320 take our civilization and what occurred, and if you're looking for another civilization, 158 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:43,720 the assumption was would that be that that civilization would also create you know, 159 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,039 technology similar similar to ours, and you know, how would you detect such 160 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,600 a thing? Well, I think there's like lots of ways to detect it. 161 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,720 For example, like if you look at our civilization, we're very a 162 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,399 young civilization, meaning if you fast forward or did like a thousand years into 163 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,480 future, you might see our civilization start, you know, becoming multiplanetary and 164 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:11,360 even creating large megastructures like dice and storms. If you're familiar, it's basically 165 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,559 a bunch of solar panels around US star. They would essentially have the ability 166 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,799 to create megastructures in space and start you know, organizing all the matter in 167 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,120 their solar system and then start going to the next solar system and the next 168 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,279 solar system. So, you know, beyond just radio signals that you might 169 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,879 expect if we were near another civilization, I think any other civilization would also 170 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:43,159 have goals to become multiplanetary and become a vast you know, civilization. So 171 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,519 you know, beyond just radio signals, you might also see megastructures and you 172 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,559 know, much more obvious things. But we still haven't seen any of those. 173 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,879 So yeah, I mean techno signatures. My belief is that, you 174 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:00,600 know, if there was a civilization, we would probably know because they would 175 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,840 be creating, you know, gigantic structures in space that would be obvious. 176 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,399 I know what, there was a theory for a while that we did find 177 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,559 a dyce in sphere out there, but ended up they think it might be 178 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,600 more like dust or something like that. This was I don't know, maybe 179 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:24,240 five or six years ago. Did you follow that. I'm not sure if 180 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,480 I remember hearing about that, but yeah, dyce in swarm, if you 181 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:31,480 see one, you're probably going to see two or you're going to see three. 182 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,759 Yeah, and I think they called that like a type I think they 183 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:43,120 called a type two civilization. Yeah, when it's up that in that range, 184 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:45,960 sorry, give me more second. The sun is in my eyes, 185 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:52,840 Yeah, I see that out in sunny California. It's dark where I am 186 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:58,480 here, South Carolina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's 187 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:02,799 better. So yeah, I mean, this is all all fascinating to me, 188 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:11,120 and I also, what was your your thoughts on the Fermi paradox. 189 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,879 I've always thought, well, you know, one of the things that was 190 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:21,440 never accounted for is something is visiting us. You know, I don't know 191 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,399 what it is. I can't say it's extraterrestrial, but I know that something 192 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,200 seems to be visiting us, and there's certainly enough evidence to that. But 193 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:34,159 what was your thoughts on the Fermi paradox. I know, it's it's pretty 194 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,519 involved, and I actually didn't see I didn't hear your theory on that. 195 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,960 Yeah, So if your viewers are unfamiliar, the Fermi paradox is essentially the 196 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,519 idea of if there are you know, billions of planets that are possibly habitable 197 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,960 in the Milky Way galaxy alone, not to mention, you know, the 198 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,919 thirty galaxies in our neighborhood and the billions of galaxies in the observable universe. 199 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,480 It's a very large contradiction that we don't see techno signatures because the sheer you 200 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:07,200 know, trillions of you know, one tillions that keep going up with the 201 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,279 number there's so many, the sheer volume of you know, planets in our 202 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:18,960 absorbable universe, if there was even a small chance that life could arise, 203 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,839 we would expect to see many, many techno signatures all over the galaxy. 204 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,960 And yet we don't see any of these techno signatures. We don't see these 205 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,039 gigantic structures, We see none of this. And you know, maybe like 206 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:34,599 five years ago we saw one that might have been a dice and storm, 207 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:40,440 but it didn't seem to have enough evidence. So the that's the essentially the 208 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,720 firm paradox is the contradiction between the sheer number and the lack of evidence. 209 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,000 So in my theories, like essentially this rabbit hole that I've been going down 210 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:56,240 is essentially the rare Earth explanation for the firming paradox, the idea that civilization, 211 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:02,000 the reason we don't see civilizations is because civilization is so rare because there 212 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,839 were certain things in our history that just so happened to be like lucky coincidences 213 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,559 that were very probabilistically slim to occur. And essentially what I did was I 214 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:17,119 found all of these things that were very slim probabilities, and I calculated like 215 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:23,599 a possible probability of what they might have been and this gave me the ability 216 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:30,240 to get a generalized probability estimate of civilization in our universe. So I could 217 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,599 tell you, like, if you want, it's kind of like spoilers. 218 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,799 Yeah, no, I'd like to hear it. Yeah, So, in 219 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,559 my estimate, civilization occurs less than one in ten to the forty star systems, 220 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,839 but there are only at most ten to the thirty star systems in our 221 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,759 observable universe. So according to my research, I believe that the reason that 222 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:56,880 we don't observe any civilizations in our observable universe is because civilization naturally occurring. 223 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,440 Civilization is just simply so rare. And if you want, I could talk 224 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,599 about the exact events that were necessary for civilization to exist. And we're also 225 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:12,160 an extremely low probability. Oh yeah, I mean that, I'm all about 226 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,079 it. Well, I'd like to hear because I you know, I have 227 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,839 looked into these type of things in the past and it is really you know, 228 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,880 I mean there's so many just just the fact that ice floats is one 229 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,440 of the things that if that didn't float, then we wouldn't be here, 230 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:30,119 you know, I mean, there's all you know, there's all kinds of 231 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,200 things like that. Yeah, So so here are all the lucky accidents. 232 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:40,880 Cool, cool, cool. So I'll start with the three really really big 233 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,720 ones. So the first one is Thea's collision, which is the creation event 234 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:52,000 of Earth's Moon. Essentially, when we you know, went to the Moon 235 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,359 mission, the Apollo mission, we found something crazy. We found that the 236 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,599 the isotopes on the Moon were identical to the isotopes on Earth, which would 237 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:04,920 imply that they were essentially made of the same material, which essentially implies that 238 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:12,279 the Moon formed was a result of a collision. So this is essentially the 239 00:20:12,279 --> 00:20:18,640 reason why our Moon is so extremely massive compared to Earth, because if you 240 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,119 look at any other moon of a planet, they're always going to be very 241 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,720 like pebble like compared to their host planet because that they had formed naturally when 242 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,200 the Solar System informed they weren't the result of a collision. So essentially what 243 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:36,759 happened. I argue that this is essentially the reason why our planet become became 244 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:40,640 habitable in the first place, is because this this planets hit, this planet 245 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:47,079 hits us right. According to the model I use, which is a a 246 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:51,480 of the scientist of from UC Davis named Sarah Stewart also working with NASA. 247 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,359 Essentially, the reason why our Moon's orbit angle is currently five degrees is explained 248 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:03,799 in this model. So essentially what happened was first THEA the other planet, 249 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,599 hits Earth at a seventy five degree angle, and then all the debris forms 250 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,240 the Moon, and so we're starting at seventy five degrees. And then the 251 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:18,400 Sun basically and all of the Solar System is on one disc. Because how 252 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,640 solar system formed an angular momentum, all of the gases when they coalesced to 253 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,160 the Sun, they spin around and become a disc. So the Moon is 254 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,799 being gravitally attracted downwards to this disk because it was initially at seventy five degree 255 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,880 angle, right, so the gravity pulls it down to zero. But since 256 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,880 the Moon just so happened to be so massive, it drags our tilt, 257 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,720 which was started at seventy five degrees down to twenty three degrees. So and 258 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:52,079 then also because of our moon is so massive, it actually keeps our tilt 259 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,480 at twenty three degrees, preventing it from moving up or down. And that's 260 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,960 so there's a lot to break down here, but it's very crucial that our 261 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,519 or tilt does not change, because, for example, we have studies that 262 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,000 say that mars Is tilt had you know, changed by upwards of ten or 263 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,000 twenty degrees over its million year lifetime. So the problem with that is if 264 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:18,319 any life form had adapted to a certain temperature range and then randomly that changed 265 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,599 and the entire weather system got all uprooted and everything changed, that life form 266 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:27,240 would probably just die out. So number one is stability. We have tides 267 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:34,039 and we have a stable tilt. But the other thing. The other thing 268 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,880 is the question of where Earth got it's water, because when the Solar system 269 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,440 first formed, the solar wind essentially pushed all of the water towards Jupiter. 270 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:48,319 Because at those really high temperatures when the sun the Solar system first formed, 271 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:53,160 anything that is a gas and not a liquid at those temperatures is just going 272 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,039 to be shoved to the Jupiter and beyond. That's why all the gas giants 273 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,200 start at Jupiter and then everything is a gas. So Earth didn't have any 274 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,759 water because it was pushed, and we know this from doing simulations. So 275 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,720 the question is where did Earth get its water? Well, there are certain 276 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,559 studies that say thea was an icy planet and it essentially infused all this water 277 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:21,039 and volatile elements that normally would have been pushed away into Earth's core when it 278 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:23,960 crashed, so that it didn't get blown away. And now we have oceans 279 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,039 and everyone knows that water is a crucial, crucial component of the existence of 280 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:33,119 life, and we have these beautiful oceans. So that's two things. So 281 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,920 the number one, we have our axial tilt our obliquity. Number two, 282 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,279 we have our crucial elements. And then a third point that I make in 283 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:47,519 my research is about the existence of plate tectonics, of why we don't see 284 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:52,720 any plate tectonics on Mars or Venus or Mercury. Essentially, why is it 285 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:59,480 this single plate structure, Because when the solarism forms, that's just what's going 286 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,079 to happen. Crust is going to form, it's going to harden into one 287 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,720 crust, and there's no reason that it would go into a higher energy state 288 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,960 like plate technics, because you know, conservation of energy. It simply doesn't 289 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,960 make sense that that would physically occur. However, if a gigantic planet crashes 290 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,839 into you and breaks your crust and then the planet is you know, similar 291 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,559 mass to Earth, I essentially argue that this collision is what created plate tectonics 292 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,079 on Earth, because what I think happened was the planet crashed right, and 293 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,720 this is going to create a lot of heat. So once it crashes, 294 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,319 the entire crust is molten, so it's no longer hard at all. But 295 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,720 there's also a bunch of mixing because there's a bunch of elements and the heavy 296 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,480 elements are trying to go down and the light elements are trying to go up. 297 00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,599 But everything that just got thrown thrown into chaos because this ginormous planet hits 298 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,799 us. So there's a bunch of mixing. But this is a really slow 299 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:59,279 process because it's on a planet. But the crust hardening is like a you 300 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,359 know, not that the process maybe happens in like a couple of thousands of 301 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,920 years. So when the crust hardens, but it's still mixing, it's going 302 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,799 to lock into place. And I think I propose that this is what created 303 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:15,000 the permanent subduction zones, where one area of crust is permanently being shoved under 304 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,880 another and then the other side of the crust is being replenished by a divergent 305 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:29,559 boundary, and this created a permanent plate tectonic system on Earth when normally it 306 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,440 would just be a stationary plate. And essentially, as we know in my 307 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:38,440 other theory about plate tectonics, it could have been crucial for a biogenesis. 308 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:45,279 And then there's also other extremely extremely important benefits of plate tectonics, like the 309 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:51,160 fact of recycling. If a life form on the surface dies and it just 310 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,480 is a clump of useless matter that no one wants because it's like rotted or 311 00:25:53,480 --> 00:26:00,240 it's just useless, eventually, in millions of years, that useless matter will 312 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,960 be recycled into the Earth. So basically we have our own recycling machine because 313 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:11,480 any trash will eventually go into a subduction zone and fall into Earth's surface. 314 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,319 So essentially, this collision, as far as we know, happened in the 315 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:22,039 most perfect, miraculous way that we could even possibly conceive of, and as 316 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,920 far as we know, if any you know, minute detail was slightly different, 317 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:32,480 we might have not been a habitable planet. And when you're thinking about 318 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,960 habitability and civilization, the evolution from single cell to civilization took four point five 319 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,640 billion years. However, we also know that in a billion years or possibly 320 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,880 less, maybe even half a billion years, the Sun in its natural life 321 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,839 cycle is expanding and gaining heat, and in about a billion years it'll start 322 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:57,039 boiling the oceans and creating, you know, huge problems on Earth. So 323 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,480 if we had evolved just twenty percent or just ten percent slower, it's likely 324 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:07,359 that the Sun would have rendered our planet uninhabitable before civilization could have evolved. 325 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,519 So when you look at all these factors and you look at thea's collision of 326 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:17,440 how perfect it could have been, it's called what I call my research the 327 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,039 thirty percent rule, or you know, I just call it thirty percent rule. 328 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,319 And basically, if you can prove any thing in Earth's history that increased 329 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:32,160 our light our evolution speed by thirty percent or more, we have to assume 330 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,720 that that was necessary for civilization to exist in our universe, generally speaking, 331 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,440 meaning generalizable to all civilizations. Because of the principle of mediocrity, which essentially 332 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,880 states, if you pick a random thing, you're most likely to pick the 333 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,519 most numerous category. So if we just assume our civilization is the most numerous 334 00:27:52,559 --> 00:28:02,119 type of civilization, it essentially implies that the likelihood of our civilization is generalizable 335 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,000 to all civilizations in the universe. So yeah, so that's just number one 336 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,759 thease collision, of which happened miraculously for all we know. So do you 337 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,400 have any questions? I know I just explained like a lot of Yeah. 338 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:22,279 Right, So, well, Mars had water at one time, you know, 339 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:27,799 and it lost its magnetosphere and that's probably one of the reasons that they 340 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:33,119 lost their atmosphere and their water and all that. But you know, that's 341 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,880 very important and crucial that we have the magnetosphere we have. Otherwise would be, 342 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,279 you know, we would have a radiation issue and all that, and 343 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,039 we lose our water, we lose our atmosphere, we lose all that. 344 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:51,000 But so how do you think that Mars? I mean, it's very good 345 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,519 evidence that Mars had water as well. Do you think that was also part 346 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,759 of a collision? I know there is a there's a theory out there that 347 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:06,119 we gained our water from I'm sorry, I'm trying to think of not an 348 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,680 asteroid, but what are the what are the ones there ice that travel through 349 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,279 I just just losing the word commets. Yeah, comets. That's uh. 350 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,079 The theory that we have water on our planet I've heard, you know, 351 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,920 I mean the past theories that it could be comets. I mean, actually 352 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:26,119 that that would be a heck of a lot of comets I would think to 353 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,359 collide with us to get as much water as we have here on Earth. 354 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,880 But what do you think about Mars? How how did they gain water at 355 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,920 one time? Yeah, so any planet in the Solar System is going to 356 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,240 get some water because just like you said, there's comets. There's a bunch 357 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,440 of rocks out in the Solar System that have a bunch of water. They're 358 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,839 just basically ice ice balls with you know, dirt and metals and stuff like 359 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:56,640 that. So I'm surely Earth got some of its water from these things like 360 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,319 comets and stuff, but the vast amount of water is you know, it's 361 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,160 questionable if we could really get that much water. And then I like the 362 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:10,079 point you made about Mars and its magneto sphere. So the common understanding of 363 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,160 why Earth has a magnetic field is because the core, the iron core, 364 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,839 is essentially moving really fast and it's like spinning around and stuff. And then 365 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,720 the iron is basically overlapping in itself and spinning around and essentially creating a magnetic 366 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,839 field. So the question is, well, why is our core spinning and 367 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,640 why is Mars's core not spinning, and a great possible explanation of why our 368 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,599 core is all spinning and stuff is because of this an Yet again they has 369 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:48,039 collision of basically our you know, it would you know, violent mixing and 370 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,000 spinning and everything. It's possible, it's you know, entirely possible that you 371 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,640 know, that would have continued that spinning and created a permanent magnetic sphere. 372 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:03,319 And there's even magnetic field. There's even research. Basically there's underground structures that 373 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:10,319 we find in our core that people found with technology like similar to light are 374 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:15,839 where they kind of shoot like signals down and then and then they reflect and 375 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:19,440 then we see it. We can look at structures, so we see remnants 376 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,000 of thea of the planet in our core still today. So the mixing kind 377 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,920 of didn't fully even finish. So yeah, the magnetic sphere, so because 378 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:36,319 Mars didn't have one, eventually the solar wind slowly but surely ticked off all 379 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,799 the water molecules on its surface. And that's why there's evidence that Mars used 380 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,039 to have water, but now it does not exist because there's no magnetic field. 381 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,599 Getting back to just skipping around just because I see a question in chat. 382 00:31:52,680 --> 00:32:00,400 That is a good point. So getting back to the mega structures, 383 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:06,440 you know, maybe there's an evolutionary uh that doesn't involve mega structures, which 384 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,559 is is possible. It's just a theory that if if a civilization gets to 385 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,359 a type two that they're going to you know, basically have control of their 386 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:22,039 their son, right. Isn't that what that's use the energy, full out 387 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:30,759 use the energy through these megastructures. I believe my what my interpretation of what 388 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,680 he's saying is like, perhaps a civilization would just not want to deal with 389 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,319 all that and just just stay on their planet. And I guess it's possible 390 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,599 that a civilization would would you know, decide make that decision? Yeah. 391 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,759 Well, and another thing about the techno signatures, I think we're we're in 392 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,119 an early stage of looking into that. You know, it's a possibility that 393 00:32:55,160 --> 00:33:01,759 we may find some it's a big sky places to look or endless and I'm 394 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,759 really excited that, you know, with the technology growing the way it is, 395 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:15,559 that we eventually may find another civilization or life out there. And statistically, 396 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:17,759 you know, I know you talk about these numbers. I forget what 397 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,440 you said, but that was some that was a very big number, you 398 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:30,960 said, other than is yeah white paper. Oh yeah, that's that's quite 399 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:39,000 a number. But when you have these planets that they are saying earthlike planets, 400 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:43,519 you know, I had an astrophysicist on a while back, and I 401 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:49,359 believe she mentioned that there could be up to forty billion within so many I 402 00:33:49,440 --> 00:34:00,519 forget how many. I think she said, there's a possibility in the I'm 403 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:05,839 not sure what galaxy. How many galaxies she said, but maybe our known 404 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,880 galaxies just a possibility of up to forty billion earth like planets. You know, 405 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,199 that sounds about right. There's probably forty billion or more Earth like planets 406 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:21,360 in the Milky Way. And if that is a fact, so are you 407 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,920 suggesting, like, okay, if these are earth like planets, you know, 408 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,840 maybe life could move there and exist there, but to start there would 409 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,280 be extremely rare. Is that kind of what I'm Is that kind of what 410 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,440 I'm hearing from you? Yeah? So, well, the idea is that 411 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,599 there could certainly be life in the Milky Way. In fact, I think 412 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,840 it's almost a certainty. But the question is will this life evolve from single 413 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,360 celled organisms to mammals who create civilization. So I guess now would be a 414 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,920 good time to talk about other rare events besides Stay's collision. So, oh, 415 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,440 yes, go ahead. I'm sorry I kind of interrupt the whole story 416 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,000 there, go ahead. Yeah, no, that's perfectly fine. I mean, 417 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:07,639 it's it's a lot to break down. But so one event, the 418 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:14,159 second most amazing event besides das collision would be the dinosaur extinct event. So 419 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,039 quite miraculously, sixty you know, six ish million years ago a dinosaur an 420 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:29,280 extinction event wiped out all the dinosaurs and left mammals us alive. So during 421 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,400 the one hundred and sixty eight million year dinosaur rule, mammals, which are 422 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,320 social creatures compared to dinosaurs, which are not social creatures, were at most 423 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,440 the size of a beaver. So basically all the mammals were the only reason 424 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,320 they were able to survive during dinosaurs is because they were burrowing and probably just 425 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,519 eating the leftovers or you know, just scavenging and nocturnal scavengers. And then 426 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,000 so this would have occurred, you know, and definitely unless the extinction event 427 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,920 had wiped them out. And normally you would say if an extinction event is 428 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,280 strong enough to destroy all the dinosaurs, chances are the mammals are going to 429 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,039 die to but that's not what happened, as we know. And when you 430 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:21,840 have basically land animals, the first land animals are always going to lay eggs 431 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:29,360 because fish always lay eggs. So the first land animals are reptiles and they 432 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,599 you know, stepped on land, and then they became gigantic dinosaurs. And 433 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:38,079 then mammals are like the reptiles that were not dominant and were too small and 434 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:44,000 weak, so they evolved like completely different niche and a completely different pathway. 435 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,639 So normally dinosaurs are always, always, always going to be dominant over mammals 436 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,400 because mammals are naturally smaller for a couple of reasons, including the fact that 437 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,199 they have to give live birth and including the fact that you know they're naturally 438 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:05,480 burrowing nocturnal scavengers. And then dinosaurs. Natural selection essentially treats dinosaurs on an 439 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:15,280 individual basis, meaning it doesn't matter because dinosaurs don't create family units. Natural 440 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,480 selection is just going to pick the biggest, baddest, best fighter dinosaur who 441 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,960 can protect its eggs the best, because all you really need to do if 442 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,920 you're a dinosaur is eat food and protect your eggs. But in comparison mammals. 443 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,920 The reason why mammals probably created civilization is because of live birth. Your 444 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:40,840 parent is actually incentivized to care for you because when they're vulnerable during pregnancy, 445 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,800 natural selection is going to select the ones that have an even weaker offspring because 446 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,119 that will make your pregnancy even faster, so you're vulnerable for a less period 447 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,280 of time. In comparison, dinosaurs don't even need to be pregnant. They 448 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000 just lay the egg and walk away, maybe bury it a little bit. 449 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:04,280 So this miraculous event all the dinosaurs who are naturally antisocial and allows us mammals 450 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,159 who are collaborative, to survive. And I was, you know, I 451 00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:14,239 was looking very deeply into like how exactly was this extinction event able to kill 452 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,880 the dinosaurs while leaving mammals live, Because if there was such a massive extinction 453 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,519 event, you would expect it to kill all the life on the planet, 454 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,719 not just the dinosaurs and leaving mammal's life. So essentially what occurred was there 455 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,280 were three events that normally happened every billion years that all happened in a one 456 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,960 million year time for so that's a thousand times a thousand times a thousand it's 457 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,800 pretty pretty dang unlike. So essentially there was the first thing that happened was 458 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,599 there was an eruption. Not many people notice that there was an eruption in 459 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:49,199 India, the deck and traps, and essentially, I think five hundred thousand 460 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,639 years or something after that, there was the Chickslab impact, And that's essentially 461 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:59,239 what everyone knows about this impact that hit Earth, and then we have a 462 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,079 bunch of evidence of this impact at that exact time. What some people don't 463 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:07,119 know about chick Slub is that it just so happened to hit a sulfur deposit. 464 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:09,800 So you know, this impactor could have hit anywhere. It could have 465 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,440 just hit some random desert, it could have hit it could have splashed in 466 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,320 the ocean. But no, instead it hits the sulfur deposit. And what 467 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,960 happens is a bunch of sulfurs released into the atmosphere. And this is a 468 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,199 global effect, creating a global winter because the sulfur reflects all of the sun's 469 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,039 rays. And now all the plants are dead and it's freezing cold, and 470 00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:37,119 all the dinosaurs are like they're they're the dinosaurs wanted to eat the herbivores, 471 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,800 and the herbivores wanted to eat the plants, but all the plants are dead, 472 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:44,159 so basically the bottom of the food chain died, and then everything else 473 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,760 died. And now the dinosaurs can't do anything. But the rats they just 474 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,119 were eating insects and they were eating all the dead dinosaurs. So basically they 475 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,280 had a good time. And then so that's event number one and number two. 476 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,719 Event number three was another impactor. The reason no one knows about this 477 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:10,000 other impactor that was actually larger than Chickslave impact by like an order of magnitude 478 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:19,679 was the crater is kind of unclear because it's in the structure. Crater is 479 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,400 kind of in the shallows next to India, so it's it's kind of unclear 480 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,079 and disputed whether such thing is a crater. However, it does have a 481 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:35,960 timestamp of essentially this structure as old as essentially the same period of chicks lub. 482 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,679 It happened maybe five hundred or a million, couple of million years after 483 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:49,480 chicks Club impact. So this impact was If this crater is indeed legit, 484 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,639 it would suggest that this is the largest impact that ever occurred on Earth. 485 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,440 So we're talking about three events that are extremely extremely rare, all just so 486 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:04,159 happening in like a one million in year timeframe. So the question is is 487 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,119 it a coincidence that all of these things happened, that you know, these 488 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,960 unlikely occurrences all happened within this small timeframe, or is it perhaps the other 489 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,079 way around where this was actually necessary to happen, Because imagine if there's a 490 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,840 couple straggler, there's a couple of dinosaurs that don't die. Maybe they were 491 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,000 you know, some you know, weird dinosaurs with the weird niche where they're 492 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,960 kind of like, I don't know, hiding in a cave or doing this 493 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:32,000 or doing that, or maybe the the widespread global winter or the this didn't 494 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:37,199 kill just one family of dinosaurs. When all the you know, the dust 495 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,280 settles and the global winter ends, that dinosaurs is going to have a bunch 496 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,159 of babies and they're going to be dominant on the planet yet again. So 497 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,880 it's really really miraculous if you consider that every single dinosaur, without exception, 498 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:53,800 died, and then the mammals, the rats were able to survive, and 499 00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:59,800 you know, the social creatures were able to triumph when normally they're way too 500 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,159 right, just on this s thought before we move on. A friend of 501 00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,480 mine, he's been on the show a number of times. Mark de' antonio 502 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:15,559 is an astronomer, and he he was he had a theory that the dinosaurs 503 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:20,599 were getting more intelligent. Their brains are getting bigger, you know, and 504 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,960 they they they were around a long time and I don't know where, you 505 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,039 know, you know, that's not his specialty or anything like that, you 506 00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:35,199 know, but but he had a theory that you know that of course, 507 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,280 if they didn't he totally agreeing on that topic of if they were not wiped 508 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,039 out, you know, we wouldn't be here. But he thought that eventually 509 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,480 they may become more intelligent. Wherever that led them, You're right, they 510 00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:52,519 you know, most likely were not uh they were not a social or they 511 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:58,360 didn't have a family union unit or anything like that. So uh that typically 512 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,800 would you would think it wouldn't develop up into any type of society in any 513 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,679 type of way. Or they didn't have opposing thumbs either, so you know 514 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,880 what, they could never you know, like the dolphin's very smart, but 515 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,360 you know, the dolphin is not going to be writing computer code, you 516 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:21,079 know, that type of thing. But yeah, it's an interesting thought experiment. 517 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:25,960 Definitely that I considered where or the question of is dinosaur civilization possible? 518 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,559 Because well, we can look at it from a couple of angles. Oh, 519 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,159 I didn't see that, comes. I'm sorry, this is a comment. 520 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,760 And that's kind of a theory, you know, going off topic a 521 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,239 little bit, but that's kind of a theory that birds evolved from the dinosaur. 522 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,920 You know, that is a theory I've heard. I don't know. 523 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,159 No, No, it's it's true that the birds evolved from dinosaurs. But 524 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:58,559 but the thing is, birds are are not preventing mammals from growing larger because 525 00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,320 they're just existing in in trees and nests. So the main problem with the 526 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:07,199 dinosaurs is that they were dominant, the dominant land animals, and they were 527 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:14,079 preventing mammals from growing larger than beers. Sorry, so, oh yeah, 528 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:19,320 what I was talking about is the idea that a dinosaur civilization could exist. 529 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:24,119 We can essentially look at it from a couple angles. The first one is 530 00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:30,079 the principle of mediocrity, which I briefly mentioned, is the essentially of are 531 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:36,960 we an ordinary civilization? Now, if dinosaurs civilization was possible, we would 532 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,639 expect that to be far more likely and ordinary than a mammal civilization, because, 533 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,159 as I said, the first fish that go on to land will lay 534 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:50,440 eggs, and then the land animals that lay eggs will just naturally grow into 535 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,000 dinosaurs because natural selection will favor the big and baddest dinosaur that can protect its 536 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,840 eggs the best. So, by the principle of mediocrity, it would say, 537 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:05,360 if dinosaur civilization is possible, we would expect to be a dinosaur civilization 538 00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:10,039 or a civilization that lays eggs, because the alternative, which is us, 539 00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:15,480 is far less likely because we just look to our history and realize that the 540 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,559 mammal domination, mammal dominance on the ecosystem was a like one in trillion bare 541 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,119 minimum event. So so number one is the principle of mediocrity and number two 542 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,639 is the the whole idea of the incentives. If you the dinosaurs were simply 543 00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,320 not incentivized to collaborate, which is really unfortunate. So like, even if 544 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,639 they did create a civilization, it would probably be horrible, like just wars 545 00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:45,360 all the time, because there's just no reason for them to collaborate because their 546 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,960 only incentive is to protect their eggs. Hmm. Interesting, Yeah, And 547 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,599 then some people talk about this this bird idea of of why can't the birds 548 00:45:55,639 --> 00:46:01,000 create a civilization? And this was also a very question that I considered and 549 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:07,440 thought out for a while of the idea that a bird could because even though 550 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,320 the birds lay eggs, they still have you kind of say, like a 551 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,239 very hazy family unit. I mean, you could look at things like penguins, 552 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,519 or you could look at like the kind of the egg nest is sort 553 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:28,920 of a incentive structure of you know, both birds are protecting one nest. 554 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,079 And imagine if the birds had like created one big nest and there was like 555 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,840 a family of birds and they're like, oh, let's all protect this one 556 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,639 nest. What if those birds created a civilization? And I considered this, 557 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,800 and there's a couple of problems with bird civilization. Is like number one is 558 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:52,960 opposable thumbs, which you mentioned of hands tools. The question is is there 559 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:59,159 ever going to arise a situation where the birds are pressured to evolve hands and 560 00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:04,840 tools, and that that one's a hard thing to you know, imagine of 561 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:12,400 how the birds would ever figure out tools and yeah, so so that's a 562 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,119 hard one. And and also the land whenever there's birds there's probably gonna be 563 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:22,159 land animals, and the land animals are going to naturally get larger, but 564 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:28,360 the birds need to stay fairly nimble, nimble and light light weight to be 565 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,679 able to fly. So there's a couple of problems with bird civilization. Yeah, 566 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:38,320 and so that's event number one in number two. Yeah, and and 567 00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,840 but there were many There were many events, right, I mean that all 568 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,960 made I was just talking about like big ones. So yeah, the third 569 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,320 big one that I like to talk about is the evolution from h fish to 570 00:47:53,519 --> 00:48:01,119 tetrapods or animals with legs that are on land. So if fish, if 571 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:05,719 fish becoming fish walking on land, if that was just a natural thing that 572 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,280 always happened to fish in the universe, and it was possible, we would 573 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:16,480 probably see a gradual change of you know, fish gaining legs and pardon me, 574 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,599 gaining legs and walking on land. But when we look at the fossil 575 00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,800 record, not only was it very very sparse of this period because it was 576 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:31,039 likely just one or two families of fish undergoing this transition, it was actually 577 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:36,559 rather than a gradual change, it was like something was happening and then boom 578 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:38,639 extinction event, and then there's a we see a dramatic difference, and then 579 00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:44,079 there was boom another extinction event where we see a dramatic difference. So these 580 00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:47,039 are are called the end of only and extinction events. Essentially, there was 581 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:55,280 two periods where there was very very heavy levels of ocean and oxya, where 582 00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,119 essentially all of the oxygen was was pulled out from the the ocean. And 583 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:09,360 essentially this could have occurred in two different ways. The first one, scientists 584 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:14,920 argue that the first one was likely caused by underwater volcanism. So essentially, 585 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:22,280 if there was a sorry I read that, I see. Oh no, 586 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,480 that's true that I'm sorry that was to KGRA a radio. Sorry that wasn't 587 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,519 to you. Yeah, okay. So what I was saying is number one 588 00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,480 is if there was a volcanism event like an eruption underwater, Basically what would 589 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,639 happen is this magma would surface and then it would chemically naturally bind with the 590 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,400 oxygen in the water, and if the eruption was big enough, it would 591 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,280 essentially steal all the auction from the water. And then the second possible way 592 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:54,039 that ocean and oxya could occur as a supernova. If there was a bunch 593 00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:02,559 of rays from a supernova that would also likely ocean anoxia. The mechanism is 594 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,800 complicated, but so essentially we have ocean anoxia during this period, this transition 595 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:15,800 period. So the question is why would ocean anoxia essentially create this transition artificially. 596 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,679 Essentially, there was this lungfish that we found in the fossil record that 597 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:27,239 kind of had fins and named tiktolic, and then suddenly there's there's no oxygen 598 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,679 in the in the ocean. So now this lungfish doesn't want to use its 599 00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,519 skills anymore because there's like no oxygen, so it has to use its lung 600 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:37,840 so it's like basically putting its head. It's waddling around in the shallows and 601 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,159 it's putting its head above water soa can breathe the air because there's no auction, 602 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,880 and this will naturally if it keeps doing this, naturally, it'll get 603 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,039 more and more effective at walled wattling, and then natural selection will select the 604 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,920 best wattlers and that will mean selecting more effective limbs for walking, and slowly 605 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,840 but surely, over millions of years, it gained legs. And essentially this 606 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,360 happened twice this period of ocean and oxia, and both times, you know, 607 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,159 there were big incentives for this thing to keep waddling. And then also 608 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:17,599 like the unlikelihood of this event is, you know, this isn't a normal 609 00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:21,960 thing that happens every day. It's not every day that suddenly all the fish 610 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,559 die because there's no auction in the water. This was a two basically catastrophic 611 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,079 events. And the first one which was caused by vulcanism, you know, 612 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,480 and then the second one if we assume like I did, there is a 613 00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:39,920 research paper that I cite in my paper that basically puts all the pieces, 614 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,880 the puzzle pieces together and formulates the argument that the second event, because there 615 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,400 was two, could have very well occurred of a supernova about like I don't 616 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,320 know what it was like ten thousand or something light years away or something like 617 00:51:54,360 --> 00:52:00,519 that. This this is a basically a very interesting idea because not only would 618 00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:08,320 it create ocean anoxia, but these essentially raise these radiation could have potentially artificially 619 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,239 sped up the transition because when you create a bunch of mutations in DNA, 620 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,199 those mutations are essentially passed on to the offspring. So if this this would 621 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,000 essentially have the effect of creating more variants in offspring, more mutations, and 622 00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:30,519 then this would this could possibly speed up the transition if there's more variance because 623 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:38,280 there's more variances of possible leg variations of how the legs started evolving, and 624 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,480 this could have sped up this evolution. So basically, there was not a 625 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:49,239 gradual transition. There was a a lucky transition that just so happened to occur 626 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,800 because of these you know, lucky events, just like the dinosaur extinction amount 627 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,719 where these things didn't necessarily need to happen, but they did. And then 628 00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,800 because we're civilization, because of the thirty percent rule in the principle of mediocrity, 629 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,519 you can't look at these events and say that's just a random coincidence. 630 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,960 You have to say those events were probably necessary for the existence of civilization because 631 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:15,000 back to the thirty percent rule, if those event didn't happen, we might 632 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,599 have evolved thirty percent slower, and then you know, civilization doesn't exist. 633 00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,559 Okay, so I'm going to say goodbye to KGr A Radio again. We'll 634 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:29,599 be back with Dave Scott next week and timber Chet. So so we'll just 635 00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,519 continue on a little bit, If that's okay with you, I'd like to. 636 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,480 Yeah, we didn't really talk much about I know, we're still talking 637 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,039 about how life got here, and I think that's really fascinating. But one 638 00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:49,920 of the things I thought we could kind of close with is your thoughts on 639 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,760 UFOs. This is UFO show, so and a lot of people come here 640 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,199 just for that. And I know that you a couple of things. I 641 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:04,760 know you feel as though, and a lot of people I've talked to have 642 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,760 that same feeling, like the space is just so vast. I understand that 643 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,360 it's so so vast, even to the nearest star, you know, over 644 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:22,039 four light years away, and it's unimaginable, the distances and the travel and 645 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,159 the things I have said to other oh, maybe skeptics of that whole thing 646 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,719 where we might be visited by you know, other beings or you know, 647 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,039 from elsewhere, is you know, perhaps there's something in physics that we don't 648 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,519 we have not discovered yet, that that exists for some type of travel that 649 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:50,599 we're unaware of. You know, there's all these you know, the space 650 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:54,760 time folding space time and all that, all these theories that maybe there's these 651 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:04,079 wormholes or whatever you know, and I'm not saying for sure that I know 652 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,960 where all these things are coming from. I never say that I know that 653 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:16,880 they're extraterrestrial. I think it's a possibility. It's a possibility of of You 654 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,000 know, the things that come up a lot are interdimensional. It seems to 655 00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:27,480 be coming up more and more at this point. Non human that's what you 656 00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,639 hear, you know, that's another term you hear a lot a non human 657 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:37,599 intelligence says that type of thing. Interdimensional answers a lot of things that you 658 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,920 know, people mentioned. I have a clip up on YouTube under shorts where 659 00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:50,199 someone Francis Cherimuda from the Ariel School incident that happened in nineteen ninety four. 660 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,320 He talks about these beings that he saw would come out of this craft and 661 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,400 they kind of blink and kind of show up in front of itself. You 662 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,280 know, it's very hard for him how this thing was moving, like blinking 663 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,880 in and out, you know, that type of thing. So in that 664 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:10,000 in that case, you know, the interdimensional thing could make sense. But 665 00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:20,400 so I understand that you you you realize that there people are seeing something and 666 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,519 so what are your thoughts in general about the UFOs? Yeah, yeah, 667 00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:30,599 So when I think of the UFO sightings, when I think of just like 668 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,119 realistically and probabilistically, I think of of two things. I think of, 669 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:39,599 Like, when the Pentagon is releasing all this stuff, I think that it's 670 00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:45,599 unclear what their motive is, and it's possible that they're simply creating some sort 671 00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:49,920 of distraction for the public to distract them off a more important thing that they 672 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,000 don't want you to research, and and who really knows what all these motives 673 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,960 are. And then when you see the but then when you look at the 674 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,559 other perspective of the sheer number of sightings of you know, all of these 675 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:06,280 people, you know, saying that they are seeing these things. And then 676 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,480 there's videos too. When I think of the videos, I think that it's 677 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,800 a high probability that some of these videos are created with software. And it's 678 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,360 hard to say when you just see footage, even if it comes from like 679 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,480 it's footage from the Pentagon, when you don't know the Pentagon's motives, you 680 00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:29,519 can't actually verify that that footage is legit. And then the third thing is 681 00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:34,559 is it could simply just be an aircraft by another nation that doesn't look like 682 00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:37,079 a plane or a helicopter and it just it's it's hard to say what it 683 00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:43,119 is because it's some sort of experimental technology. I mean, our technological advancement 684 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,159 has been unprecedented in the last one hundred years, and it's very well possible 685 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:52,920 that there are flying craft that look like UFOs that are physically possible to create 686 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,559 with our technology and some other nation made that, or even it was made 687 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,679 in the US and someone made that and fluid around and like it looks like 688 00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:09,639 a UFO. Now, the third idea, this intermensional thing. Yeah, 689 00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:15,280 I think that would be the most logical conclusion if you're saying it is non 690 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:21,360 human from if you're you're talking about extraterrestrial non human intelligence. The interdimensional thing 691 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:27,960 would make the most sense because when you look at the distances and and now 692 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,000 that I've looked at my research, my my findings that the the civil naturally 693 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:38,880 occurring civilization occurs less than one intent of the forty star systems. Even if 694 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:44,039 you were able to speed travel at the speed of light, we wouldn't be 695 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:50,039 able to see any aliens. That's assuming that they would even travel to us. 696 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,760 If you know, uh, if we're talking about traveling at the speed 697 00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,719 of light. So when you when you uh open the possibility of wormholes, 698 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:09,280 of intermensional space travel, of physics that we don't know that would be the 699 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:15,840 only realistic way that you would travel faster than light is through some sort of 700 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:23,119 wormhole, which Einsteinian Einsteinian equations does open the possibility of wormholes. However, 701 00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:30,599 through my research and people I've heard of talked to, they say that going 702 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,679 through a wormhole will probably destroy anything that goes through it in all likelihood, 703 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:37,280 or it will just collapse the wormhole. But you know, if you were 704 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,039 be able to some advanced civilization, I mean, we're such an early civilization, 705 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,880 it's hard to say what technology will do down the line of our civilization 706 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,840 system or a singularity system. What I kind of reference in my research of 707 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,519 an ever growing intelligence that is evolving exponentially eventually, you know, before it 708 00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:02,400 plateaus, that might that's system might be able to invent some sort of technology 709 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:08,239 that can for all we know. But you know, as far as I'm 710 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:14,679 concerned, it seems physically impossible to travel faster than light. It would break 711 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,280 causality. But you know, when you're talking about interdimensional it's hard to say. 712 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,480 We don't have enough knowledge to make the you know, certain conclusion. 713 01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:30,719 So if it is indeed extra threscial non human, I would say interdimensional would 714 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,920 be the possibility that I would look to. Well. The one the argument 715 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,960 of that I would have would be, for one thing, what these people 716 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,360 are seeing, it's not like they're just seeing them now. You know, 717 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:51,360 they have they call the modern UFO age, but you take back in nineteen 718 01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:54,840 fifty two when they're on radar, they have an object going, you know, 719 01:00:54,920 --> 01:01:01,800 ten thousand miles an hour. You know those we're talking decades, many 720 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:10,559 decades ago that these things were seen by many witnesses doing extraordinary feats, turning 721 01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:15,440 instantly, right angle turns, things like that, very unusual movements, high 722 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:22,079 speeds. So there's a lot to consider when we think it's all our technology. 723 01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,079 Maybe some of it. I agree that some of it that we can 724 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:30,719 be seeing maybe our technology or an adversaries possibly. And also I'm sure the 725 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:37,159 government loves to have people believe if they're testing something that it's a UFO instead 726 01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:44,400 of a secret military whatever craft that they created that type of thing. But 727 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,039 when it comes to the films that the Pentagon is saying that they don't have 728 01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:53,840 an explanation for the gimbal the go fastest questionable in my mind. But the 729 01:01:54,320 --> 01:02:00,320 tic tac video of those two at least when they're saying there's something that they 730 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:07,599 cannot explain, and it's definitely through a FLUR situation. I know a friend 731 01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:13,599 of mine's a pilot News looked into that deeply. And these videos are from 732 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:20,920 the fl R camera on an F sixteen or eighteen Hornet or whatever it is, 733 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,440 so we know those are military videos. And are you basically stating that 734 01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:35,800 you think those videos could be faked? I mean, it's certainly possible to 735 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,000 fake the videos. I wouldn't know, you know, why they would want 736 01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:45,400 to do such a thing exactly. Yeah, I mean they would have to 737 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,239 have a you talk about distraction, you know, I mean, it's caused 738 01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,559 them more problems to have those videos out there than I can imagine that they'd 739 01:02:55,559 --> 01:03:00,360 ever want to be distracted from. Yeah, I mean it's a mystery, 740 01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:06,960 yes, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you so much. It's been 741 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,760 a real pleasure. You have some very interesting theories, and I have a 742 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,800 feeling you could talk for quite a while too, and all these different things, 743 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:19,000 so I really appreciate your time. Thank you. Yeah, and if 744 01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:23,119 we're are we ending here? Yes, yeah, we're all. We're done 745 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:27,039 for the show, and I really appreciate it. Thank you very much, 746 01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,880 and I really do appreciate you being on the show. And one last thing, 747 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:36,360 could I just say if anyone is more interested in other things, I 748 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,760 have to say I did talk a lot, but there is more. So 749 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:46,320 I would encourage any listener if you're curious to check out my YouTube channel, 750 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:51,840 plan A Discovery. You could find it by just typing in YouTube dot com 751 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,320 slash at plan A Discovery no spaces or simply search in your search bar plan 752 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,679 space a Space Space Discovery and you should be be able to see more of 753 01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:06,559 my theories. If you're interested, I'll make it even easier. Yes, 754 01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:11,760 I'll make it easier. I will link that in down below the text in 755 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,000 YouTube and also in the show notes for the audio podcast. All right, 756 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,199 thank you so much. Thanks for having me, Martin. Great talking with 757 01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:23,280 you. All right, yeah, good night, all right, everyone, 758 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,320 So don't forget next week we'll be back with Dave Scott and also Tim Burchett. 759 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,239 I'm going to be talking to him on Thursday. Look for us at 760 01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:38,920 the UAP Crossfire eight pm to ten PM and that's Eastern time, and remember 761 01:04:38,960 --> 01:05:02,440 to keep your eyes to the sky.