Hey everyone, it's Erica. I have a quick announcement that I want everyone
to take a few seconds to listen to the Apex and the Abyss will be
going on hiatus in the fall of twenty nineteen. I know I have had
a sporadic schedule the last year or so, but typically I didn't see those
delays coming, and to be honest, I didn't want them. However,
this time around, I know that my schedule of this fall is going to
be jam packed and I will not have as much time to dedicate to the
show as I would like. I want to state that this show is not
going away. I just need a small break to focus on spending time with
family and my fall semester at school. During this break, I will be
resetting and planning a restructuring of the show. While I'll be busy with the
lot this fall, I will still be writing and working on cases. My
end goal is to start releasing episodes within a structured season and have scheduled time
off. So with that update, please don't unsubscribe, because, like I
said, the show isn't going anywhere. I just need some time, like
we all do at some point in our lives. I wanted to give you
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few months, and I hope you will still keep sticking around with that on
with the show. This episode of The Apex and the Abyss contains graphic descriptions,
audio, and language that may be unsettling to some individuals. Listener discretion
is advised. I recently got home from my trip to Chicago. When I
was there, I took part in the first ever true crime podcast Festival.
It was such an incredible time and event. I was so thrilled to interact
with listeners of this show and to meet some of my friends. This was
the first time I met any of them face to face. This trip to
Chicago ticked off quite a few firsts for me. This was the first time
I ever had flown on a plane, my first podcast festival, and my
first time to Illinois. While there, I tried my best not to stick
out like a tourist, but at the same time, I wanted to see
what made Chicago so great. Coming from a popular city myself, I was
curious as to what Chicago stand out places, food and scenery was like.
The food I divulged was incredible, but that alone could be a podcast in
and of itself. My husband and I had the opportunity to check out Cloudgate,
or the Bean as it's called to some. This is an art piece
by Anish Kapoor that is located in Millennium Park. The piece itself is said
to weigh around one hundred and ten tons and is inspired by liquid mercury.
It's a gorgeous piece of art and far more breathtaking than I imagined it would
be. We were also able to check out the Art Institute of Chicago and
see Van Goh, Chagal, Sarat Hopper. The list goes on and on,
but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to see the Institute while on this
trip. The art historian in me would be highly disappointed. Chicago is a
city that is famous for so many things art, food, and we can't
forget about Wrigley Field. But just like any place, there is a grim
underbelly of history that lurks in the shadows as well. In fact, one
of the world's most notorious and bile serial killers set up shop there. You're
listening to the Apex and the Abyss, and this is the story of John
Wayne Gaysey. Gaycy, a building contractor, was arrested in December nineteen seventy
eight in connection with the disappearance of a fifteen year old boy. Later that
month, police began uncovering bodies from a crawl space under Gaycey's suburban Chicago home.
Twenty nine bodies were eventually found on Gaysey's property, four others found in
a nearby river. Gaycey had confessed to the killings, but his lawyers claimed
he was insane. Gasey said he has four personalities. John Wayne Gaysey is
an infamous serial killer who within six years became responsible for the deaths of at
least thirty three young men and boys. Gaysey would viciously rape, torture,
and murder his victims, all within his home, and then bury them either
in his crawl space somewhere in his yard, or dispose of them at a
local river. Gayzy had already been charged with a sex crime long before news
would break about his serial killings, and yet at the time that this story
did break, it was shocking. Gaysey was a popular individual in his community.
He was a fairly successful businessman, and he partooking charity events where he
would dress up as a clown for people's amusement. As human beings, we
all have frayed edges, quirks, and even odd practices that would either weird
out or not make sense to another person. But it is safe to say
that people were not expecting to find out what type of frayed edges John Wyne
Gaysey had. His crimes are horrific and quite graphic, so I'm going to
issue another warning here, but as always, before we dive into the appalling
crimes of John Wayne Gaycy, we need to take a few steps back and
start at the very beginning in our attempt to answer the elusive question as to
why why did he do the things that he did and what, if anything,
contributed to him becoming the monster that he was. He might be witnessing
where the most horrible crimes, perhaps in a century. John Wayne Gaysey was
born in Chicago, Illinois, on March seventeenth, nineteen forty two, to
Marian and John Stanley Gaycy. John Wayne Gaysy was the second out of three
children that would be born to the couple, and he was their only son.
Throughout his childhood, Gaysey was close to his sisters and mother. Their
bond was easily formed and held. However, when it came to his relationship
with his father, closeness did not come as easy. John Stanley was a
World War One veteran, and now that his service in the war was over,
he became an auder repair machinist to provide for his family. Marrying.
Gayzy was a homemaker and very close to her children. She dared best to
protect them, specifically young John, against her husband's drunken rages. It wouldn't
be uncommon for John Stanley to come home from work, disappear into his basement,
and only emerge to target his son. John Stanley would beat his son
for no reason whatsoever, sometimes to the point where the young boy would pass
out. John Stanley would even go a step further and occasionally beat him with
a razor strap. John Wayne Gayzy would later state that one of his earliest
memories in his life was of abating his father was giving him when he was
around four years old. Allegedly, the young toler had gotten his hands on
a car engine that his father was putting together and took some of the components
out to John Wayne Gayzy. He was just playing, but his father didn't
view it that way, so he beat him. Despite the fact that the
boy was beaten mercilessly by the hands of his father, John Wayne Gazey still
longed for his approval, however, he would rarely get it. On top
of the physical abuse he endured, John Stanley would frequently put down his son.
He would criticize him for everything, his weight, his intelligence, and
he would make derogatory and homophobic comments to the boy. You see, John
Wayne gaze suffered from a heart condition early on in his life. It was
severe enough that doctors told him that he was to avoid practically all strenuous physical
activity. This meant that the young boy was forbidden to play sports and things
of that nature. This was just one more thing to add to John Stanley's
long list of disdain for his son. Marian hated seeing her son being so
poorly treated and did her best to curb her husband's rages, but it was
to no real avail. John Stanley always found some way to take out all
of his anger on John Wayne. He would detest the closeness that his son
had towards his wife and would often call him a mama's boy, along with
more disgusting remarks when John Wayne Gaycy was about seven years old, he,
along with another boy, would molest a young girl. When John Stanley found
out about this, he would severely beat his son. Also around this time,
John Wyne Gayzy would be molested by a family friend. This friend would
take young Gaysy for rides in his truck and then the man would assault the
boy. Gaysey would later state that he never told his parents about this incident
out of fear of his father's reaction. John Stanley often spoke of how his
son would grow up to be a homosexual, and John Wayne felt as though
that this information may fuel that rage. Due to the fact that it had
been a male who molested him, he was afraid that his father would blame
him. Over the course of the next few years, not much would improve
for John Wayne Gayzy. He was eleven years old, he was struck hard
on the head by a playground swing. This would cause him to have blackouts,
a symptom he would experience for five years until he went to the doctors
and they noticed that he had a bloodclot on his brain. Whether or not
the swing had anything to do with said bloodclot is up for debate, but
luckily they were able to fix this issue with medication. Taking a step back
to his heart condition, the lack of physical activity would cause him to gain
weight. This extra weight would also result in him being bullied while at school.
Despite this, Gaysey did have a handful of friends within the school and
his neighborhood. During his adolescence, he would have some more health issues.
He would experience seizures and then labor. His appendix would burst, causing him
to be hospitalized. However, John Stanley believed that this condition was just aroused
that his son was using to gain attention. He would even go so far
as to say the doctors were wrong and that John Wayne Gaysy had no such
conditions. Over the years, the relationship between father and son never really changed,
even as the young Gaysee grew into a man. By the time he
was in his mid to late teens, you would think that now that he
was more evenly matched with his father, the beatings would either stop or the
young Gaysee he would defend himself. However, this never happened. Whenever John
Stanley began to beat his son, all John Wayne would do was put his
hands up to protect his head. He never struck his father back not once.
When John Wayne Gaysee he turned eighteen, he dove into politics. He
began working with the Democratic candidate in his neighborhood as an assistant precinct captain.
Around the same time, John Stanley purchased a vehicle to give to his son.
The car would be in John Stanley's name and his son was required to
make the monthly payments and pay for the upkeep of the car, a reasonable
request from any parent when they buy a vehicle for their child. But like
with everything that came from John Stanley, this gift was not just a kind
gesture. It was a power move over his son. You see, whenever
John Wayne disobeyed his father or did something that irked his father, John Stanley
would take the car back, showing to his son that he had zero control.
However, after one particular incident of confiscation and then returning the vehicle,
John Wayne Gacy would get into his car and leave his childhood home behind.
He would drive almost eighteen hundred miles to Las Vegas, Nevada. Once he
got there, he managed to find a job at a place called Palm Mortuary.
He was an attendant at the mortuary and he would stay at this job
for three months. Gaysy, having no place to go, was allowed to
sleep on a cot near the embalming room within the mortuary. One night,
while alone, Gaysy decided to jump into a casket with the body of a
dead teenaged male. He would cuddle the young man's body and hold them for
some time before he realized how deeply wrong it was. This wrong feeling sat
in the pit of Gaysey's stomach, so much so that he would reach out
to his mother to see if he was allowed to come home. After a
brief discussion with her husband, John Stanley, and Marian told their son he
could come back to them in Illinois. Gaysey wasted no time and left practically
the moment after he hung up the phone with his parents. Upon his return
to Chicago, Gaysey would begin class as at Northwestern Business College, which is
surprising since Gaysey had dropped out of high school. However, he somehow managed
to enroll in the school. After he graduated from Business College in nineteen sixty
three, Gaysey would get a management training job at a shoe company. After
about a year into the position, Gaysey would be transferred to another store in
Springfield, Illinois, which is about three hours away from Chicago. He would
briefly work as a salesman at this store, but was quickly promoted to the
manager of the department in which he worked. Nineteen sixty four seemed to be
a wonderful year for Gaycey. He would become involved with an organization called the
United States Junior Chamber, or the jc's as it's commonly referred. This organization
is for people from the ages of eighteen to forty years old. Within this
organization, you will gain leadership training and a better understanding of civic organization,
management skills and community service. He was also extremely successful at his job.
On another positive note, he would get engaged to a woman by the name
of Marilyn Myers. Gaysey would meet Marilyn when he first came to Springfield.
The two were co workers, and after a nine month engagement, the pair
would get married in September of nineteen sixty four. Soon after the wedding,
Gaysey's father in law asked him if he wanted to manage three Kentucky Fried Chicken
establishments that he owned. The only catch to this proposition was that the location
was in Waterloo, Iowa. John and Marilyn agreed to this opportunity and made
the almost three hundred mile trek to Waterloo. Thankfully, they already had a
place to stay. Marilynd's parents would give the newlyweds the home they owned in
Waterloo. The manager job was a wonderful opportunity for the Gaysey family. John
would make a high income salary and the pair did not want for much.
Upon moving to Waterloo, John joined the local jc's. He enjoyed his time
with the organization in Springfield and was eager to continue on with the work in
Waterloo, though his schedule was quite hectic. He would spend almost fourteen hours
a day managing all three KFC establishments, and then he would spend a few
hours at night with the j c's. It wouldn't be uncommon for Gaysey to
brag about all the things that he did, how much money he had,
and how he had endless ambition in life. That's just who he was.
But simply put, John Wing Geesy was beloved by many people. He would
partake him many fund raising projects and would help out anyone in need. He
was even given the nickname of the Colonel because he was known for bringing fried
chicken to the JC meetings. In February of nineteen sixty six, John and
his wife Marilyn would welcome their first child into the world, a boy by
the name of Michael Gaysey. A little over a year later, the couple
welcomed their second child, Christine Gaysey. It would be at this moment that
John Wayne Gayzy received what he had always longed for, the nod of approval
from his father. John Stanley saw how much his son had grown into a
hard working family man and would pull him aside to tell him how proud he
was of him and that he was sorry for all the horrors that he made
him endure as a boy. John Wyne Gayzy would recall that at this time
in his life, happily married, two beautiful children and the respect of his
own parents, was the happiest time of his life. Unfortunately, this happiness
would not last long. From the outside, John Wayne Gaysey lived a picture
perfect life, a beautiful wife, two happy children, and a wonderfully successful
work life, but looks can be deceiving. Before coming to Iowa, and
while still in Springfield, John Gaysey would engage in sexual activity with another man.
The man had been a member of the Jay seas in Springfield, and
after many drinks, this man would perform oral sex on Gaycy. Fast forward
to Waterloo, Gaysey would partake in drug use, wife swapping, and frequent
sex workers. As much as John Wayne Gaycy appeared to be a loyal and
devoted family man, he was actually quite the opposite. It is also said
that Gaysey used his basement as a designated hangout for his young employees to drink,
playpool, and relax. The only people who get invited to the basement
would be young men that he worked with. At first, these hangouts were
innocent, albeit a little weird to an outside viewer. What grown man would
want to hang around teenage boys, But no one would suspect John Gaycy of
anything nefarious. After some time, John had groom some of these young men,
he would begin to make advances on them. After gaining the trust of
these young boys and providing them alcohol and drugs, he would attempt to engage
in sexual activity with them. If they told him now or rejected his offer,
Gasey would brush off whatever advance he made on his employee like he just
made them in jest, like oh, I'm just kidding. However, in
August of nineteen sixty seven, Gasey's luck and the front he had put on
for the public would shatter. John Wayn Gasey would sexually assault a fifteen year
old boy by the name of Donald Worheys. Donald's father and Gacy worked alongside
each other in the jac's At first, Gaysey got Donald to come over to
his house on a pro alcohol and to watch porn in his basement, but
he led them there under false pretenses. For months, Gaysey would lure Donald
into his basement, supply him with alcohol, and forced the young man to
perform oral sex. Gasy threatened Vorhees and intimidated him not to reveal anything that
was going on. During this time, Gaysy was subjecting many teenage boys to
similar abuses. He sometimes would pay the boys fifty dollars each to engage in
sexual acts with him, saying it was for research. In March of nineteen
sixty eight, Donald Vorhes told his father what was going on in Gaysie's home.
Donald's father called the authorities at once, and John Gaysy was arrested and
charged with sodomy along with attempted sexual assault of another teenage boy. Gaysey would
state that Donald's father was only accusing him because he was running against him in
elections. Amongst the jac's many people believed that John Gaysy was innocent of the
accusations, but that didn't matter. John Gaysey would be indicted with a sodomy
charge on May tenth, nineteen sixty eight. This indictment did not deter Gaysey
from continuing on his depraved path. It appears as though he would stop assaulting
young teenage boys for the time being, but he would use one in particular.
To do his bidding. Gasey would get eighteen year old Russell Schroeder to
physically threaten Donald vorheis. Russell got Donald to come with him to a secluded
area, where he proceeded to spray mace into his eyes and beat him while
laying on the ground. Russell told Donald that he was not to testify in
Gaysey's trial. Somehow Donald was able to get away from Russell, and he
immediately told the authorities what had happened. Soon after the crime, Russell Schroeder
was arrested, and he would confess that Gaysey had offered him money to intimidate
Donald. This would lay in Gaysy additional charges, and he was forced to
be evaluated by mental professionals. They determined that he had anti so personality disorder,
but he was competent enough to stand trial on his sodomy charge. On
December third, nineteen sixty eight, John Wayne Gaysey was found guilty of sodomy
and sentenced to ten years in prison. On the same day that Gaysey was
convicted, his wife, Marilyn, filed for divorce, which was finalized by
the following September. Marilyn took her two children and none of them ever spoke
to John Wayne Gaycy again. It is said that at some point Gaysey's children
would change their surname to further distance themselves from their father. Gasey would take
advantage of his time while in prison. He would obtain his high school diploma,
partake in the Prison to j C program, and help recruit members,
and he was also promoted to the head cook in the kitchen within a few
months. I'm down, Gaysey, I'm from Waterloo, Iowa, and you're
a man of fumbathority. Grea Well, I'm first cook in the kit and
I run the morning meal in the afternoon the morne. How long you've been
here? I've been here now a year in about the week. Why am
I afting along to you? By big up here? Well, I hope
to beginning outcome by the mate, well good good. On December twenty fifth,
nineteen sixty nine, John Stanley Gacy, John Wayne's father, would pass
away. This tragic life event would shake Gaysey to his core. He would
request prison furlough to attend his father's funeral, but this request would be denied.
About six months later, after his father's death, John Wayne Gaycy would
be released from prison. Out of the ten years sentence he was given,
he wound up serving only eighteen months due to good behavior. He would be
given twelve months probation after his release, and he was ordered back to Chicago,
Illinois, where he would live with his mother. He would obtain a
job as a short order cook and begin his new post conviction life. As
the saying goes, a tiger can not change his stripes, and John Wayne
Gacy was no different. By February of nineteen seventy one, Gasey would sexually
assault another boy. Gasey would pick up the boy from a bus station and
offer to drive him home. Upon arriving at the boy's home, Gasey would
try and force himself on to the child. Somehow, the boy would escape
and Gasey would be charged. However, the charges would be dropped because the
boy would never show up to court. Due to the fact that there was
no conviction and that the case was thrown out, the Parole Board of Iowa
never heard about Gaysey's violation. If they had, he would have been placed
back in prison. After this incident, Gasey would buy a home on eighty
two thirteen West Summerdale Avenue, Chicago, Illinois, and have his mother move
in with him. By August of nineteen seventy one, Gasey would reignite in
old high school romance with a woman by the name of Carol Hoff. The
pair would become engaged in Carol, along with her two young dogs, would
move into Gaysey's home. His mother would eventually move out before the couple got
married. John and Carroll wed on July first, nineteen seventy two. However,
a week before the eye dous John would be arrested again. A young
man by the name of Jackie de would file a complaint with the police department
stating that Gaysey had been impersonating a police officer. Gaysey had a fake badge
that he would quickly flash at Jackie. He then forced Jackie into his car
and made him perform oral sex on him. This case would go in Gaysey's
favor, yet again, the charges would be dismissed once the court learned that
Jackie de attempted to extort money from Gaysey in exchange for Jackie to drop the
charges against him. Gasey once again slipped through the cracks of the legal system.
He was a predator, and only a little bit of digging would have
proven that. But this incident wasn't the end of Gaysey's crimes. In fact,
things were about to escalate to a whole new level. For fourteen years
of em frighting, the same battle of all I want is the truth to
be learned that I did not give it all the crime. Once John and
Carroll got married, Gasey would quit his job as a short order cook and
try his hand at contracting. He would start his own construction company called Painting,
Decorating and Maintenance Contractors or pd M for short. Like with any small
business, the work Gaysey was getting was small, minor repairs here and there,
but not long after the launch of his business, Gaysey had employees working
on things like remodels, landscaping, and interior design. Business, as they
say, was booming, but having a wife and two step daughters wasn't enough
for Gaysey. Having a successful business was not enough for John Wayne Gaysey.
In nineteen seventy two, John would commit his first known murder. It was
January second of nineteen seventy two. Timothy mc cooy was around sixteen years old
and had been traveling after visiting friends in Michigan on a Greyhound bus when he
made a stop in Chicago on his way back home to Iowa. Gasey spotted
the young man and asked him if he wanted to ride. Timothy accepted,
and Gasey would take him all over Chicago to see the famous sights. Gasey
would then offer Timothy a place to sleep that night. When the pair arrived
back at Gasey's home, the two would allegedly engage in sexual activity. It
is not known where Gasey's wife and stepdaughters were at this time, but given
what would occur next, it can be assumed that they were not in the
home at the time. According to Gaysey, when he awoke the next morning,
he saw Timothy standing in the doorway holding a knife. Gacy, thinking
that Timothy was about to attack him, jumped up and ran at the boy.
Gasey would state that Timothy raised his hands up and accidentally cut Gaysy's arm
during the struggle. At some point, Gasey was able to get Timothy to
drop the knife, and Gasey proceeded to grab the boy's head and slam it
against the wall and then kick him while he was on the ground. Timothy,
in an attempt to defend himself, would kick at Gaysey, further igniting
his blind rage. Gaycy would then grab the knife that Timothy had dropped and
stab him multiple times in the chest until McCoy died. After he killed Timothy,
Gaysey would later state that he was drained of all his energy, but
at the same time, he was sexually thrilled in a way he had never
felt before in his life. He understood in that moment that for him,
death was the ultimate thrill. Gasey would claim that he killed Timothy McCoy in
self defense. Whether that is true or not is entirely up for debate.
What we do know is that the reason that Timothy had the knife, was
that he was in the middle of cooking breakfast for himself and Gaysy, most
likely as a thank you for treating him so kindly the US day. When
Gacy entered the kitchen after the stabbing, he noticed that the table had been
set for two and that eggs and bacon were on the counter. Gacy would
take Timothy McCoy's body and bury him in the crawl space beneath his home.
Then eventually he would put a layer of concrete on top of him in the
hopes that this crime would never be discovered. However, Timothy would just be
the first body to enter the crawl space. This crawl space would soon turn
into a graveyard. At least today found six more bodies under the John Gacy
house in Norwood Park Township near Desk Plains, Illinois. The six bodies bring
the total found under this house and garage to fifteen, all appearing to have
been teenaged boys and young men, and police digging cautiously with garden tools say
they've now covered only one fourth of the space under the house. By nineteen
seventy three, John had many people in his employee A large majority of his
employees were young men. Some were even teenagers who were just trying to make
money for themselves, most likely for the first time in their lives. Gaysey
would travel to Florida to inspect a property he recently purchased, and on this
trip he would bring along a teenaged employee with him. Once they were back
at the hotel after traveling, Gaysey would overpower the boy and rape him.
For the remainder of the trip, the youth would not spend time alone with
gay Sy. He went so far as sleeping on the beach to avoid sleeping
in the same room as him. When they returned to Chicago, they briefly
parted ways until one afternoon while Gaysey was doing yard work, the young man
who had been raped drove to his house and mercilessly beat up John Wayne Gaysy
until his mother in law stepped in between them. Gaysey would tell those who
asked that the reason for this employee's outburst was due to the fact that Gaysy
had refused to pay him for work he had done. Gaysey would state that
the work was not good and that the young man didn't earn his wage.
According to Gaysey, he didn't commit another murder until nineteen seventy four. John
would claim that he did not know this boy's name or h at the time
of the murder. The details surrounding this second crime are far and few between.
All Gaysey would stay at a later date was that he raped and killed
the young boy, who was somewhere between sixteen to eighteen years old, and
he strangled him to death. Once the boy was dead, he placed his
body in the closet, where he would remain for a short amount of time.
During the interim before he was buried in Gaysey's back yard, the boy's
body began to decompose, and what some people aren't aware is that when a
person dies, the body begins to leak fluid out of its orifices, which
is exactly what happened in this case. The fluid that expelled from the young
boy's body got on the floor and stained the carpet within the closet. So
from then on, if Gaysy had to keep a body above ground for some
time, he would stuff rags, socks, and other cloth eggams in the
victim's mouth and in their underwear to prevent the leakage from happening again. By
nineteen seventy five, Gaysey would enter in what he would call his cruising years.
He would state that nineteen seventy five was the year in which he really
began hunting for victims. His obsession with the thrill of killing had grown to
an insatiable level since the murder of Timothy McCoy. By this point, he
had already gotten away with killing two people, possibly more that we don't even
know about. Given the fact that Gaysey was an arrogant and powerful man,
it is safe to assume that he believed that he was invincible. What would
later become an unsettling fact was that in nineteen seventy five as well, Gasey
would begin dressing up as a clown, a clown in which he named Pogo.
Gasey would join a group called the Jolly Jokers, an organization of men
who would dress up as clowns and perform for fundraiser in other events. Gasey
loved playing Pogo. It tapped into his inner child. However, some of
his colleagues found him to be unsettling, especially the way he would put on
his makeup. He had sharp edges around his mouth. It made him look
sinister versus friendly. Nineteen seventy five was also the year that Gaysey would tell
his wife, Carol, that they were no longer going to be intimate with
one another. The pair would have sex on Mother's Day that year, and
Gasey would inform her that it would be the last time. Gaysy was rarely
home to begin with. He would tell his wife that he was busy working
and that's why he did not come home until the early hours of the morning,
when in fact it is more likely that Gaysey was out cruising. Carol
was aware that her husband was bisexual, and she would find things like porn
and noticed that gasy only surrounded himself with very young men quite frequently, so
it was no secret to her as to who he was sharing his nights with.
Nineteen seventy five also brought about huge growth in Gaysy's business. He was
working long days, sometimes upwards of sixteen hours, and hiring more and more
people to carry out his new contracts. Most to the employees who did the
hard labor consisted of high school aged teenagers, with a handful of men in
their early twenties. In May of nineteen seventy five, Gasey would hire a
fifteen year old boy by the name of Anthony Antonucci. A few months into
working for Gasey, Anthony would injure his foot on the job, so the
following day, Gasey visited him at his home. At the time, Anthony
was home by himself. Gasey gave Anthony alcohol. After some time, Gasey
would overpower Anthony and handcuff his hands behind his back. Gasey would exit the
room for a moment, and this gave Anthony enough time to free his one
hand from a loose cuff. When Gasey re entered the room, Anthony,
who was a member of his high school's wrestling team, attacked Gasey. Anthony
was able to get the handcuff keys from Gacy and then in turn placed Gacy's
hands behind his back and handcuff him. Incredible instincts to have in a horrifying
situation and with an injured foot while on the ground, Gasey became unhinged.
He screamed threats at Anthony, and then the threats turned in to please for
him to take the cuffs off of him. He calmly stated he would leave
and not come back if Anthony just let him go. He would even say,
not only are you the only one who has gotten out of the cuffs,
you got them on me. Eventually, Anthony let Gaysey go, But
let's go back for a second to what Gasey said to him. Not only
are you the only one who has gotten out of the cuffs, you got
them on me, the only one, meaning that there had been others before
him. At this point in the timeline, Gaysey has only allegedly killed two
people, further propelling the idea that there is possibly more victims out there that
we just don't know about. On July twenty first, nineteen seventy five,
a week or so after Gaysey attempted to harm Anthony, seventeen year old John
Bukovitch would disappear. Bukovitch was not happy with Gaysey, him, along with
two friends, would confront Gaysey over the fact that he had not paid him
his earnings for going on two weeks. John threatened to go to the authorities
and tell them about the incident. He would even state that he would inform
them of the fact that no taxes were being deducted from their pay. John
took his job seriously because he loved putting what he earned into his car.
He loved to raise and work on his vehicle, and at seventeen years old,
those parts don't come cheap. Under Gasey's employ John made good money,
but Gaysy was known for halting payments to some of his employees as to keep
more money for himself. The fact that John threatened Gaysy sent him into a
blind rage. After arguing for a bit longer, John and his friends left.
They weren't getting anywhere with Gaysey and there was no point in staying.
The following day, Gaysy invited John over to his home. At this time,
Gaysey's wife, Carol, and his two step daughters were in Arkansas,
so the pair were in Gaysy's home all alone. Gaysy would present John with
a pair of handcuffs and tell him he knew a trick. This would later
be dubbed the Infamous handcuff Trick. It was very simple. Gasey would first
place the handcuffs on his own wrists and then spin around. By the time
he was facing his audience again, the handcuffs would be dangling off one of
his wrists. Those who saw the trick would ask how did he do that,
to which Gasey would reply, I'll show you the same scenario is most
likely what occurred with John. Gasey was able to place the handcuffs on the
young boy and then inevitably kill him. It's hard to imagine what John and
Gaysie's subsequent victims would endure after they realized they were trapped. Once Gasey placed
the handcuffs on his victims, he would state the trick is you have to
have the key. After this, Gasey would mercilessly torture, rape, and
kill his captive, sometimes in slow and painful ways. Gasey would use a
rope to typically strangle his victims. He specifically would use a tourniquet knot,
wherein he would tie a rope around the young man's neck, place one knot,
then tie another knot on top of the first one. Then he would
slip a thin piece of wood in between the knots and turn. The more
you turn the tiger the rope becomes, inevitably cutting off the person's air supply
and killing them. John's parents would inform the police that their son was missing
and implored them to check out Gaysy. Due to the fact that John's friends
informed his parents that him and Gaysey had gotten into a terrible fight before he
went missing, but nothing ever came of this request. John's father, Marco
would reach out to Gaysey himself, and Gaysey would state that he had no
idea what happened to John. He would admit that John had come to his
home and an argument ensued, but once he left, that's where his knowledge
of John's whereabouts ceased. He would also tell Marco that the police had never
spoken to him about John's disappearance either. John's parents would ask the police dozens
of times to keep looking at gay Cy, but they wouldn't. Not long
after John's disappearance, Gaysey and his second wife would file for divorce. The
marriage at this point was non existent, they spent no time together, and
they had not been intimate for at least a year. Carol and her daughters
would remain in the house for a short time, but eventually the three left
eighty two thirteen West Summerdale Ave in early nineteen seventy six, leaving Gaycy to
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of nineteen seventy six, Gasey would murder Darryl Sampson. The following month,
on May fourteenth, Gasey would murder two young men On the same day,
Randall Reffitt was last seen walking home from school. After that, he disappeared
into thin air. According to reports, Randall died from asphyxiation due to a
rag being placed into his mouth as a gag. Within a few hours of
killing Randall, Gasey would also murder Samuel Stapleton. He would referred to knights
that he killed more than one person as a double Over the course of the
summer of nineteen seventy six, Gasey would murder Michael Bonnen, William Harold,
James Hackins's son, and Rick Johnston. Each young man was between the ages
of fourteen to eighteen years old at the time of their deaths. Within this
group of victims is also an unidentified male who was murdered around the same time.
Currently, his name is still unknown. Towards the end of August of
nineteen seventy six, Gaysey would invite one of his employees to move in with
him. Eighteen year old David Cram had spent time in the army and knew
how to defend himself. Soon after he moved into Gaysey's home, he would
be conned into putting on those infamous handcuffs. The pair had been drinking,
and Gaysy used his charm and magic trick spiel to fool the young man.
While he had him handcuffed, Gasey would inform Cram of his intentions of raping
him. David was somehow able to escape the handcuffs and hit Gaysey in the
face, knocking him to the floor. Despite this whole thing. David still
lived with Gaysy for another month. Perhaps he thought it was just a sick
joke gone raw. Maybe they had drank just a little bit too much and
Gaysey hadn't meant what he said, or whatever. Lie. David told himself
to not accept that Gaysey, a man who employed him and gave him a
roof over his head, wasn't a horrible man. However, Gasey would attempt
to attack David again. He would let himself into David's bedroom and attempt to
rape him. Gaysey, while trying to overpower David, would say, Dave,
you really don't know who I am. Maybe it would be good for
you to give me what I want. David was able to fight Gaysey off
to the point where he would give up and leave the bedroom. After this
encounter, David Craham would leave Gaysey's home and quit PDM Contractors. He would
work for him every once in a while, but cut ties as a full
time employee. Not long after David Craham left the Gaysy household, another individual
by the name of Michael Rossy would move in. In some reports, it
states that Michael ross and David Graham knew what Gaysey was. In fact,
these reports would also state that they were accomplices in some of the rapes,
tortures, and murders. Not many people escaped the grasp of John Wayne Gaycy.
One who did recalled that there were two men in the room when he
was being raped and tortured. But we will touch on that theory in a
little bit. Some people believe that the notion that John Wayne Gaycy had an
accomplice is outlandish. Why would anyone go along with such a thing? More
importantly, why would a person not tell anyone what he was up to?
Perhaps he will think back to episode eight of The Apex and the Abyss.
In this episode, we covered the story of Dean Quarrel, a man in
Texas, along with two male accomplices, Elmer Wayne Henley Junior and David Owen
Brooks, would kidnap, torture, rape, and murder at least twenty eight
young men and boys. So is it really that far off that this same
situation could have happened in a different time and state. It should also be
knowed that some of the victims were allegedly kidnapped when n Gasey was working or
out of town. Now, these facts could be misconstrued a false memory,
or that Gaysy himself was lying about his whereabouts, or it could be proof
that he had helped just like Dean Coral did. The more you compare the
two to one another, the more it appears that they are cut from the
same cloth. Only you threatened me with that he had had guns in the
house, and that if he had to if I went to the police or
told anyone about his advances upon me, that I would be endangered with that,
and that he wanted me to realize how easy it would have been for
him to kill me right then and there. Towards the end of the summer
in nineteen seventy six to March of nineteen seventy eight, John Wyn Gasey would
kill well over a dozen young men and boys. These victims were all buried
in Gaysey's crawl space. There were so many bodies down there that he began
stacking them within the graves. Now, if you've ever seen a photo of
John Wayne Gaysey, and you've seen the picture of his crawl space, it's
kind of a tight fit. It would be difficult for him to comfortably maneuver
around down there. So after a certain point, he would get his young
employees to dig holes in there. He would tell them exactly where to dig
and how deep. He made sure they stayed within a certain frame so they
would not come across other bodies. The excuse he would give them as to
why they were digging was that he needed more storage space, which horrifically wasn't
a lie. He just didn't tell them what he was storing down there.
In nineteen seventy seven, Gasey would kidnap a man by the name of Robert
Donnelly. He would force nineteen year old Robert into his car at gunpoint.
Gasey would take Robert back to his home and for hours he would torture and
rape the young man, beat him mercilessly, and would dunk his head into
a bathtub filled with water over and over again. Robert begged Gaysy to just
kill him. The pain he was experiencing was unbearable and he couldn't take it
anymore, but Gaysey wouldn't. Once he was done with Robert, he would
drop him off near where Robert worked, and then Gasy simply drove away.
Robert immediately contacted the police and told them what happened. When Gaysey was questioned,
he told the authorities that their interaction had been consensual. It is not
clear why he left Robert alive, but it would not be the last time
Gaysey did this. The beginning of the end started in March of nineteen seventy
eight for John Wayne Gaysy. He would kidnap a twenty six year old man
by the name of Jeffrey Rignal. Jeffrey would get into Gaysey's car and Gaysey
immediately attacked him. He would place a chloroform soaked rag over Jeffrey's nose and
mouth until he fell unconscious. What Jeffrey he would endure over the course of
the next few hours is unimaginable. Gasey would tie Rignal on something he would
call the rack. This would be another parallel to Deane Quarrel. Like him,
this rack was essentially a torture device. Gasey would suspend the victim in
the air by chains. Their arms would be placed through holes in wood boards,
allowing them to be hoisted in the air under their armpits. It is
suspected that Gaysey used this instrument of torture on a majority of his victims,
Gaysey would severely abuse Jeffrey. Not only did he brutally rape him and scream
you love it every time he sexually assaulted him, but he would flog him
with a whip, burn him with candles, and insert sex toys into his
orifices. During the entire ordeal, Jeffrey Wrignal would lose consciousness, either due
to the pain or because Gaysey would correform him over and over again. Once
he was done, Gasey would take Jeffrey and drop him off at Lincoln Park.
This park was located about thirty minutes from Gaysey's home Summerdale Avenue. When
Rignal woke up, he was disoriented and in unbelievable pain, but he was
able to muster up enough strength to walk to his girlfriend's house. She would
take him to the hospital and he would stay there to recover for almost a
week. While there, he would report his attack to the police. He
told them what Gaysey had done to him and that there was another man in
the room with them that he did not know, partaking in the abuse.
The police were hesitant to believe Jeffrey's story for some reason, so Rignal would
stake out the location he believed his assault happened. Eventually, Riggnal would find
eighty two thirteen Summerdale av and point the police in the direction of Gaysey John
Wayn. Gaysey was arrested and was set to stay in trial for the battery
of Jeffrey Rignal. However, Gaysey would not stay in jail while he awaited
trial. On December eleventh, nineteen seventy eight, Gaysey would be in Desplaine's
pharmacy to speak to the owner of out of contract the pair were working out
a clerk in the pharmacy. Fifteen year old Robert Pist would overhear that Gaysy
hired boys his age and that he paid five dollars an hour, which seemed
like a lot compared to the two fifty an hour Robert currently made working at
the pharmacy. When Gasey left, Robert would tell his mother that he was
going to go after him to talk about a job, but he wouldn't give
her the name of who he was speaking to. He told her he wouldn't
be long, but this was the last time Robert Pist would be seen alive.
After some time, when Robert did not return, his family would file
a report with the police department, stating that he was missing. After some
investigation, the police were able to find out that Gaysey was allegedly the last
known person to speak with Robert Pist. The police would go to Gasey's home
to see what he knew and stated that he offered to give a job to
Robert Pist, but may have spoken to him while he was in the store
Gaysey was playing. The police asked him to make an official statement, which
he agreed to. He simply asked if he could come in later to do
so. He was busy at the moment. The police had no problem with
this and they left Gaysy's home. At about three am the following morning,
John Wayne Gaysy would walk into the police station to issue his official statement on
Robert Pist. He was covered in dirt and mud. He claimed he was
in a car accident to explain his appearance. However, it is safe to
assume that he spent the evening disposing of Robert Pist. The police were finally
highly suspicious of Gaysey, especially after what they saw was on his record and
the fact that he had a pending case of baggery. They believed that he
knew more When it came to Robert Pist's disappearance. What they didn't realize is
that they were about to uncover a horror that would be heard around the world.
The police would issue a sir to warrant of Gaysey's residence. They would
find many suspicious items within his home, like driver's license that didn't belong to
him, a class ring from a nineteen seventy five class from a local school,
clothes that were far too small for Gaysy to fit into, and a
slew of other items that just didn't seem to fit. The most important piece
of evidence they would find in Gaysy's home would be a receipt in his kitchen
from the pharmacy that Robert Pist worked at. This receipt was placed in Robert's
jacket by a girl he worked with. She had borrowed the outerwaar briefly before
Robert put it back on to follow Gaysty out of the pharmacy. During this
search of his home, the police would also confiscate one of Gaysy's cars,
specifically his Oldsmobile, and officials then assigned men to keep an eye on him
for twenty four hours a day. If you were Gaysy and had committed such
horrific crimes, you would think that he would be shaking in his boots,
but he wasn't. Like previously stated, after the first two murders, Gaysy's
arrogance seemed to overtake him, and it seems like he truly thought that he
would never be caught. He would toy with the surveillance teams, speed through
red lights as they were tailing him, accost them from afar, and even
on some instances, offered to cook them breakfasts. Suffice it to say that
those watching Gaysey all day long noted that he was an odd fellow to say
the very least. A particular comment seemed to stick with a team of investigators
who took Gacy up on his offer of a meal. One day. While
they were eating, Gasey would just simply state, you know, clowns,
they can get away with murder. But soon after the investigation began, Michael
Rossy, one of the young men who had lived with Gaysey and worked for
him, informed police that two young men who had worked with Gaysey had disappeared
too. They would eventually interview David Kraham as well, and he would tell
them about how Gaysey tried to rape him multiple times. Both boys would be
interviewed multiple times, and as they were starting to realize that Gaysey had connections
to multiple disappearances, they began asking the pair who knew Gaycey tougher questions.
The interview would escalate to the point where invest the Giggers would ask them if
Gaysy had killed anybody, where would he hide their body, to which they
both would reply the crawl space. The police were finally closing in and the
air of arrogance that Gaysy once had was starting to diminish. It appeared as
though that he wasn't sleeping. He began to look on kempt and his friendly
demeanor was almost non existent. Police would return to Gaysy's home to search it
again after they confirmed that the receipt they had in evidence had been on Robert
Pie the day he went missing, and they also wanted to look for more
evidence when they realized that the class ring traced back to a missing boy by
the name of John Sizig. Currently, all the information and evidence they had
was circumstantial. They needed more. During this search, they noticed something different,
a horrible smell of decay, was coming from the heating vents in the
house, something that wasn't picked up on as strongly as before. During the
first search, there was a mile, but Gaysy gave multiple excuses, like
it was the drain, the trash or dog waste that had dried up on
the floor. But this time the odor was stronger and more prevalent. The
smell of death is incomparable, and the police knew something was seriously wrong.
However, they didn't check the crawl space that night. It's not clear why,
but they would eventually just leave. Search for victims of John Wayne Gaysey
may be shifted to the basement of this building on Chicago's near north Side.
A carpenter has told authorities that when Gaysey's contracting company remodeled the basement in nineteen
seventy six, it had a bad smell, which Gaysey blamed on dead rats.
The subcontractor also claimed that Gasey worked at night in the basement pouring concrete.
So far, the twenty eight bodies attributed to Gaysey were found exactly where
Gasey told authorities to look, in the crawl space of his suburban home,
or in a nearby river. There has been no mention till now of any
other location. On December twenty second, nineteen seventy eight, while already in
police custody, John WAYN Gaysey would confess to murder to the authorities. He
told them he started back in nineteen seventy two and was not able to stop.
He claimed that the young men and boys in which he murdered were either
runaways or sex workers, which wasn't true. Yes, some of them may
have been runaways, but on the whole he was acquainted with the young men,
or if he wasn't, he would lure them into his car or home.
He would repeat the same information to the police as he did to the
lawyers. He told them how he killed them and what he did to his
victims. He even spoke of future plans of killing. He knew he was
running out of space, so he was considering doing some construction at his home
to have more room to dispose of the corpses. He had recently run out
of room and began dumping the bodies by the river. Gasey would take the
police back to his house and show them where the body were buried. Most
of the bodies were under the crawl space, but there was one under his
garage and another bird by his barbecue pit. Gacy would even draw a sketch
of his crawl space so investigators knew where to dig. He would place stick
figures with in circles to show which ones were graves and how many people were
in the one spot. Over the course of the investigation, thirty three bodies
would be recovered. Twenty nine victims were found within Gacy's home, and the
other four were thrown in or around the river of South Chicago. What kind
of man was mister Gaycy? Kind of a man? How would you characterize
him? Oh? I don't know I characterize I thought he was a pretty
fine person, very good, very or I very very amiable. I liked
them even I liked them. I feel sorry for him that this has happened,
But he's been a wonderful person, a very generous person to us.
Now, what kind of a what kind of a neighbor? Was he?
Very good neighbor. If it was a case that I needed a borrow a
tool from the man, because he had many good tools, he was more
than willing to let me have anything I wanted anything. Now, of course,
we know that the problem here is the story of these bizarre occurrences murders
right next door to your home. Did you ever hear anything that would indicate
to you that there was foul play going on over there? Never a sound
another sound, never not even though you know, like they've asked about screaming
or anything. Never a sound out of that house. It's always been a
quiet house. Never any noise or anything, no other than maybe doing some
construction work at night outside of little loudness that way, sawing and things like
that. But I attributed that to his work. We ask you something else
he said about he seemed to have odd hours. Would you explain to me
what kinds of things you heard going on at night or whatever? Well,
it would be basically loading his vehicles. His trucks were coming constantly, and
at all hours at a night they would come, and that might be strange,
but I attributed that to work. His remindling. Sometimes they'd load a
truck up at one two in the more and that off it would go.
I never knew where it went to. But the lads were gotten a truck
and took it away, or they would come back, but with material.
These were young men, for they were always young men that they had working
for him. Now, did you ever have any indication that there was any
kind of foul play going on? He was supposedly homosexual. Was there any
indication of that? No, there never was anything. I only had my
own suspicions of why he was always surrounded by some of the young people,
always young males, never older persons, Always young people. Did you ever
talk to him about this late night activity, that kind of thing only at
night if they got too carried away to get a little too noisy. I've
gotten up at one thirty and two in the morning and when he was sawing
out there, and I would ask him to see, said he's sorry,
yet he said, I'll stop right away, you know, because I had
to get up for work the next day. I said, John, that's
annoying to have you sawing what a power saw in a garage at one two
in the morning, and he'd done that out of a number of occasions.
How do you feel now thinking back on those sence that noise late at night,
and then knowing what you know now about these murders. Well, now
I kind of see some of the stuff that was going on. It probably
worth something pertaining to what he was doing a number of times he'd come home
with his car now at night, at hours, at odd hours of the
night. He had some big old street lamp that he didn't stalled up in
front, and that was quite right. He'd go in the house, shut
the light off, and then he went to his oles and he seemed to
be struggling. I'd never seen what, but he'd be at the door open
for fifteen minutes. I thought, well, what the hell did he just
take the thing in and that was it. But he'd be there and finally
I'd give up watching and going the house and the door was closed. But
you know, it's hard to tell what he was struggling with, but he
seemed to have a problem get Then later on the night would come on on
the outside, and then it would be two or three in the morning,
or four in the morning, he'd go back out to jump in the card
off he'd go again. Those were the hours that he carried down. But
I thought there was business, but it probably worth some of this, would
plane, maybe bringing some of these young people. Then you think he could
have been carrying bodies in and out there. A few times the trunk was
open, you know, he could swing in because of circular driveway to his
house, and that also at the light would it was always his habit.
He swamped the light off, switched the light off that had on the outside,
and a little while the trunk would open, and it was the same
thing. He was in there digging around. What he was removing I never
seen. But then eventually the trunk would get closed and he'd close it,
go in the house to retire after that, or he'd take off. He'd
also his lights round all hours of the night or all night long and beyond.
Was there a lot of noise in the house with other people anything like
oh no, no, no. I had a habit of he had hadn't
like his friends. And I had a younger son that kind of associated with
some of his lads. And one time I got to return to the daughter
that woke up that she says, Ronnie's got a friend in the house,
and it was one of his employees. And I'd get a hold of Ronnie,
take that guy and get him out of here. At three o'clock in
the morning. You're not gonna bring no friend into the house. I put
them both out. My son said, if he goes igoises, then you
go to with him. They spend the night in the house. Then I
went there the following night and I told john I caught this one kid,
as if I ever catch you in the house, and I'll break your neck
for you, because I just don't like him in there. You know,
not three in the morning and Johnson's you stay out of Eddie's house. Even
if Ronnie calls you in there. You have no business in there. Because
I've had a number of articles vanished in the house. We have no idea
where they went. I lost a thousand dollar diamond ring. I got no
idea where world. It could have been some of his weird friends that Brown
would bring in there. It was pretty scar scrubby and scurvey as far as
I was. The fool was above ground above ground pool and he sold the
thing because he had no use for the pool, and some other person brought
it and there never was anything. There was a little differension anybody. He
just left a little off with dirt and it was grass, but not at
that time. This was right after he had moved A year or so after
that he moved them there. But if they're to do any hunting, my
best bedst that he should be. They should look under the grounds, for
this was laid on the lawn. Hardly any grou I have a leather than
the roughness that was in there, but was on the pool in this area.
He took that and threw that in the bank there. But there he
had the habit of poking around in the evening too. Whether by where the
garages, I don't need that now, but that was pretty quick, and
I'm suspicious also where he has a major barbecue there that I came home that
one day and he had a hell of a hole dog in there. Yeah,
and there that was before pointing concrete, and I never did see that.
It took quite a bit of time to id all the bodies that the
investigators found. By the time the trial started, they had only identified twenty
two. Gasey's trial would begin on February sixth, nineteen eighty. The people
of Chicago and the world were still in a state of shock about what they
found within his home. John WAYN. Gasey was a successful businessman, helpful
neighbor, and an entertaining clown for kids. But now he was a vile
murderer, a monster in the eyes of those who knew him. And once
respected him. Gasey would spend some time leading up to his trial trying to
convince the world that he was insane. He also tried to prove that he
had multiple personalities. Gasey would be deemed sane and fit to stand trial,
but defense doctors would diagnose him with paranoid schizophrenia with a multiple personality disorder.
However, the prosecuting doctors refuted these claims. Over the course of the trial,
many people would take the stand against Gaysey. Michael Rossy would speak about
digging the trenches in the crawl space and how he was not allowed to deviate
from the spot in which he was instructed to. Eventually, Gasey would put
Rossi in charge of overseeing others digging in his crawl space. Gasey did have
a busy schedule, so he would delegate such work to his hired hands.
No one questioned why he wanted these holes dug to such particular specifications. They
trusted Gaysey. They had no idea that they were digging graves. Donald Vorhees
would also take the stand to speak about Gaysy and the assault he experienced.
This was not an easy task for Donald, and after a certain point it
became too much to deal with, and he would ask to take a step
down from the stand. Jeffrey Rignal would also testify and speak about the horrific
night that he was taken by Gaysey. Reliving it was so difficult for jeff
that he actually became sick on the stand. Gaysey's behavior in the courtroom was
despicable. If a surviving victim struggled to speak, he would chuckle at them.
Imagine how unnerving it would be to be one of Gaysey's victims in that
moment. They know how important their testimony is, but at the same time,
the situation in and of itself is terrifying. This man in front of
them tortured them, abused them, and took pieces of them away. To
see him laughing at their own cobleness must have been a jarring experience. After
hearing hours of testimony over the course of five weeks, it was time for
the jury to come to a verdict. They deliberated Gaysey's feet for less than
two hours. When they returned, they informed the judge that they had found
Gaysy guilty of thirty three counts of murder. Later, they would sentence Gaysy
to death for his crimes. Prosecutor Terry Sullivan called Gaysey's insanity defense hogwash.
In his confession, Gaysey admitted killing the young men after having sex with him,
then varying most of the bodies under his house. The prosecutor called Gaysy
a vile, evil, diabolical murderer who must be held responsible for his acts.
Gaysy chuckled. The photos of the twenty two identified victims were displayed,
Murder, Sullivan said as he pointed to each one murder. Relatives of the
victims wept. Sullivan told a jury that justice implores them to find Gaysy guilty
of murder in the worst degree. Once in prison, Gasey would recant his
previous confession to the murders. He said he had knowledge about certain ones,
but a majority of the bodies found within his own crawl space were not put
there by him. He would even do a prison interview stating his innocence.
People who want to know the truth and the honesty of it, if they
want to be convinced their brainwashed into what they believe, then find and go
ahead and kill me. But vengeance his mind. Say it's the Lord because
you will have executed somebody that didn't commit the crime. When they paint the
image that I was this monster who who picked up like these altar boys along
the street and swatted him like f live, I said, this is ludicrous.
I've taken five and a half hours, three and a half hours of
truth Sarah and sodium amato, the maximum at that I could have. It
shows that I have no knowledge of the crime whatsoever, never have had.
There is no proof anywhere that he ever took truth sarahm Now it's not only
a matter of physical evidence, it's a character issue as well. Many times
during our interview he tried to portray himself as a quick guy, an ethical,
hard working family man. Here's how he describes himself as a father,
loving and caring. I've always looked after my children even now. What kind
of values you remember imparting to them? The kind of stick? Will you
strict with them too? No? Not as strict as No. A lot
of things that my dad did I refused to do because I don't see.
I don't believe in hitting hitting children. I don't believe in in spoiling a
child either. My values are such that if we've give enough love to a
child who's a murdering thirty three, and you say you didn't believe in hitting.
I mean, well, anybody that knows you see it. First of
all, you're you're basing this garbage on what you've heard of me. What
happened to Rogue, What was happened in the book of his case or was
he picked up? How did he get to the house, and what happened
to him. I don't want to go in. I don't want to go
into the other the five that I know about, just take it that I
did. Buckervige is not one that I killed, so I don't know nothing
about him. A little bit that I know about him is that he was
an employee of my s. When you when you look about this, this
recall business and and I'm not scur but I know you're not. Waits is
not one that you killed, which suggests that me, Oh fact, were
others that you did kill. And I okay, I'm sorry if I led
you to believe no strike at them, that is wrong. Charge me with
complicity in two of the murders, just two. That's all I know about.
In regards to going out and the gradge. Yes, I know,
I went to the house and yes, I know. I walked in the
gridge and they asked me where the last section of concrete was bored. Okay,
I said, there's the last section where the last section of concrete was
bored. Okay. They are the ones that took the or camapaign and said
here put a mark there. So I put an eg there. So the
paint was not to identify the place of burial. No, despite his appeals
in shouting at the rooftops that he was an innocent man, John Wayne Gacy
was executed in the early morning hours of May ninth, nineteen ninety four.
For his last meal, he ate a bucket of Kentucky fried chicken, French
fries, fried shrimp, strawberries, and a diet coke. Gasy's execution did
not go down smoothly. Typically, the lethal injection takes about seven minutes to
work. At least that's the average. Due to some issues, it took
John Wayne Gacy eighteen minutes to die, a most likely very painful death.
It is said that no death sentence is painless. It just appears that Gaysy's
was a little bit more than usual. Some reports state that his final words
were kiss my ass. However, per an interview outside the prison where the
lethal e action was administered, this was not the case. But believe what
you want, didn't You couldn't hear his last statement, though we were told
to be something along lines of kiss my ass. So, actually, Nick
Howel, did you see the Department of Corrections spokesman. No, they were
not. They were not. He alluded to, basically as I had explained
to you earlier, that killing him would not bring back the victors. John
Wayne Gacy brutally tortured, raped, and killed thirty three young men and boys.
It is important not to forget who they were. We currently only have
twenty seven out of thirty three names. Timothy McCoy, John Bukovich, Darryl
Sampson, Randall Reffitt, Samuel Stapleton, Michael Bonnen, Wiam Carroll, James
Hackinson, Rick Johnson, Kenneth Parker, Michael Marino, William Bundy, Gregory
Godzick, John Siazac, John Prestige, Matthew Bowman, Robert Gilroy, John
Maorory Russell Nelson, Robert Winch, Tommy Bolan, David Talsma, William Kindred,
Timothy O'Rourke Frank Landingen, James Mazara, and Robert Peist. There are
six more known victims that were located in Gasey's home. Thanks to forensic science,
officials were able to determine a round about time and age for these victims.
Due to the fact that they have no names, they were assigned a
number. Body number five was a young man approximately twenty two to thirty two
years old and was killed somewhere between nineteen seventy six in March of nine teen
seventy seven. Body number ten was a young man between the ages of seventeen
to twenty one years old and was murdered between March to July of nineteen seventy
seven. Body number thirteen was a mail between the ages of eighteen to twenty
two and was most likely killed between August to October of nineteen seventy six.
Body twenty one was a mail between the ages of fifteen to twenty four.
Officials determined that he was killed somewhere between August and October of nineteen seventy six.
Body number twenty six was a young man between the ages of twenty three
to thirty years old. He was murdered between June and August of nineteen seventy
six. Lastly, body number twenty eight was a young man between the ages
of fourteen to eighteen, and it was determined that he was killed in January
of nineteen seventy four. John Wayne Gacy may have had more victims. In
fact, it seemed more than likely that he did. Hopefully, with the
constant advancements in DNA and forensic technology, we can give his remaining victims their
identities back, and the families of those who still have no answers as to
what happened to their loved one can finally get closure. Have you given some
thought to what you might want to say your last words? You shall know
the truth, and truth shall set you free. I will be at peace,
But in the end, the families, the families will have not gotten
justice. It may take away some of the pain that you're executing me,
but you will not have served those families properly. Thank you for listening to
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week everyone, until next time. I'm the brother of John Mallory and we
were there were about twenty three of the family members of the victims that we
were a little bit amazed. The reason we came over here was several of
us had asked to be witnesses to the execution because we just felt it was
something we needed to experience to be a piece with the whole situation. We
were giving a runaround and told that there were going to be about eighteen people
in it the execution. Then we were in a small room in the basement
of one of the buildings here watching your newscasts on about a nine inch television.
We weren't it all notified what was going on throughout the whole episode,
and we were all a little bit distraught about that, and then we had
heard through your broadcasts after the execution was completed that there were approximately forty to
forty five people in witnessing the execution. And the whole thing that we've been
here about is to try and stress victims rights in the families of the victims,
and we feel that one of our rights were stripped by not allowing us
to be there at the end, not to be morbid or anything, it
was just something that was matter of closure for us and our families. Veto
has been through quite a bit trying to get to witness the execution as I
have. I mean, this has been fourteen years in the making where it's
a constant reminder when we see mister Gaycy on the news. My mother has
been very cooperative with all of you, and I'm just glad that finally a
little justice was done in this matter. That's all I have to say. Four four